Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread

[Evermind]

There is a difference between minor adaptational changes and completely reworking the meaning of a work because "Narratively it made sense because we wanted to do it".

Now you're just being disrespectful and downright mean. It was "creatively it made sense because we wanted it to happen".

Alright, I think I'll better leave this thread now.

[Genowyn]

Oh sorry how could I forget that gem of wisdom

[cramx3]

I understand the point you are making with regards to how "game of thrones" will be remembered, but maybe I just havent read the books in awhile or I forgot, but what makes this statement true (I could also just not be understanding what you mean here):

Well primarily because the books are feminist works

There has been a great amount of criticism regarding the show being misogynistic, to some degree I agree with such as the added rape scenes and portrayal of naked women.

[Genowyn]

Other people more learned on feminism have written detailed esaays on the subject, which I can dig up when I get home if you'd like (on my phone now), but it boils down to the books basically being a feminist deconstruction of Fantasy tropes with an emphasis on the ways women were mistreated in medieval times and the way that treatment cam effect their thinking (see Catelyn and her patriarchy brain), while at the same time having a spectrum of female characters in varying social positions and degrees of internalized misogyny (Cersei is the Queen of internalized misogyny).

When sexual assault happens in the books it is always within that framework and is even willing to show men being sexually assaulted, and appropriately, because their society does not allow them to realize it, not even recognizing that they have been sexually assaulted despite still being traumatized (see Tyrion/Tysha in the barracks and Theon/Jeyne Poole - the assailants in these cases being Tywin and Ramsay respectively). Compare the show's use of sexual assault for shock value or in the case of Margaery's sexual abuse of Tommen (yes, an adult woman sleeping with a 12 year old boy is sexual abuse) being played for laughs.

Compare Sansa's entire arc being derailed so she could be a setpiece for Theon's abuse.

Compare Arianne's complete disappearance and the utter disdain for Dorne in general. More sexually liberated becomes bad pussy.

[cramx3]

I guess that is interesting, never thought about the books that way and in all honesty I doubt Id read a full paper on it, but I can see what you mean here. 

[hefdaddy42]

Other people more learned on feminism have written detailed esaays on the subject, which I can dig up when I get home if you'd like (on my phone now), but it boils down to the books basically being a feminist deconstruction of Fantasy tropes with an emphasis on the ways women were mistreated in medieval times and the way that treatment cam effect their thinking (see Catelyn and her patriarchy brain), while at the same time having a spectrum of female characters in varying social positions and degrees of internalized misogyny (Cersei is the Queen of internalized misogyny).

When sexual assault happens in the books it is always within that framework and is even willing to show men being sexually assaulted, and appropriately, because their society does not allow them to realize it, not even recognizing that they have been sexually assaulted despite still being traumatized (see Tyrion/Tysha in the barracks and Theon/Jeyne Poole - the assailants in these cases being Tywin and Ramsay respectively). Compare the show's use of sexual assault for shock value or in the case of Margaery's sexual abuse of Tommen (yes, an adult woman sleeping with a 12 year old boy is sexual abuse) being played for laughs.

Compare Sansa's entire arc being derailed so she could be a setpiece for Theon's abuse.

Compare Arianne's complete disappearance and the utter disdain for Dorne in general. More sexually liberated becomes bad pussy.

That is certainly a feminist reading of the books.  Which does not mean that it is the only valid reading of the books.

[Genowyn]

Certainly, a Marxist reading would come away with a different interpretation for example. Fact remains that a feminist reading of the books find it to be feminist, but feminist analysis of the show finds the opposite.

[BlackInk]

I mean, I sort of get what you mean, I only think you're blowing this way out of proportion.

[hefdaddy42]

I mean, I sort of get what you mean, I only think you're blowing this way out of proportion.

This.

[Genowyn]

You're entitled to intepret it however you wany as am I, just as you're entitled to like it and i'm entitled to think it sucks

[Dimitrius]

So, you're gonna continue to hate-watch it? Because you know... you don't have to.

[hefdaddy42]

You're entitled to intepret it however you wany as am I, just as you're entitled to like it and i'm entitled to think it sucks

Yes.

[Genowyn]

So, you're gonna continue to hate-watch it? Because you know... you don't have to.

No I'm not, primarily because I don't want more spoilery events revealed stripped of context.

[Progmetty]

Big event in the Arab world this month



People are super excited, the announcement was last night and their website is already down due to preorder load
I personally have a strong policy against reading anything that's been translated and I do intend on reading the English books after the shows is through.

[cramx3]

Can you share what that means? A date for the new book?

[RuRoRul]

Can you share what that means? A date for the new book?

I'm fairly sure it is the news that the series is being translated into Arabic for the first time, which I saw relatively recently as well.

[cramx3]

Can you share what that means? A date for the new book?

I'm fairly sure it is the news that the series is being translated into Arabic for the first time, which I saw relatively recently as well.

oh ok, good for the arabic folk then, its a great show

[RuRoRul]

Here's an image of the cover I saw for the Arabic translation (not sure if it already exists or not for other versions but it's the first time I saw it) which I thought was pretty cool.

[Progmetty]

Here's an image of the cover I saw for the Arabic translation (not sure if it already exists or not for other versions but it's the first time I saw it) which I thought was pretty cool.

That was the first version of the cover when they announced they were working on it month ago but they got some negative feedback from the fans, I dunno why. The words in the bottom in red say "Coming soon", the cover I posted is the final version I guess, unless they release both.

Can you share what that means? A date for the new book?

Sorry I thought it was obvious , it says:
First book from "A Song of Snow & Fire
George R. R. Martin
Game of Thrones
Translated By Hesham Fahmy
And in white over the picture it says "Out: November 15, 2015"
I think the reason they translated "Ice" to a word that means "Snow" is that the word for ice in Arabic doesn't have as much an impact on the ears as the word for snow, I bitched about it on the publisher's fb page heh

[cramx3]

Interesting that Snow was the word that worked best, maybe they should have replaced the word fire with Targaryan instead 

[Progmetty]

Haha yeah, keep it straight, no need for symbolism

[cramx3]

Excited about Ian McShane! Some cocksuckers in the North need some salon style beating heh

Spoilers about his character:

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/ian-mcshane-likely-resurrect-game-thrones-fan-favorite-143300177.html

[cramx3]

Get pumped!

[MrBoom_shack-a-lack]

 

Mother of all teases to have Jon Snow on the first poster! 

[BlackInk]

That's a pretty bad ass poster.

[faizoff]

Great looking poster and man April is still 5 months away.

[kaos2900]

Awesome!

[MirrorMask]

It's like, "We couldn't fool you with his 'death', we might as well use him to build the hype" 

[gmillerdrake]

It's like, "We couldn't fool you with his 'death', we might as well use him to build the hype" 

We all know he scurried under the dumpster after he was repeatedly stabbed.....err....wait.......

[cramx3]

It's like, "We couldn't fool you with his 'death', we might as well use him to build the hype" 

We all know he scurried under the dumpster after he was repeatedly stabbed.....err....wait.......

  the relation between these two shows/character deaths is great for humor except both are just so obvious to not be deaths although Jon could be dead but not dead in the sense that he is revived.  Too bad Glenn wasn't revived.. as a zombie.

[MirrorMask]

Well, I believe the authors were sincere in saying that Jon Snow was dead. The point is, he will be revived somehow. I'm pretty sure that storyline-wise he didn't survive the stabbing, the red b#tc@ will do something about it.

[cramx3]

Well, I believe the authors were sincere in saying that Jon Snow was dead. The point is, he will be revived somehow. I'm pretty sure that storyline-wise he didn't survive the stabbing, the red b#tc@ will do something about it.

Agreed but even if he is revived, that doesn't necessarily mean Jon Snow is dead.  I personally think he is revived but is now "Jon Stark" and hence the death of Jon Snow, but all in all, is still the same person so then we get into semantics.

[MirrorMask]

He would also be free to be Jon Stark - he swore an oath 'til his death to the Night's Watch. Death happened... oath fulfilled 

[sneakyblueberry]

But with no Stannis there to legitimise him as a Stark?  I'm not sure I buy the Jon Stark thing.  Unless he just takes the name for himself, which is what I feel all bastards should just do anyway. 

[cramx3]

But with no Stannis there to legitimise him as a Stark?  I'm not sure I buy the Jon Stark thing.  Unless he just takes the name for himself, which is what I feel all bastards should just do anyway.

I was thinking that as well, is it possible Davos can do that in the name of Stannis as he was there to witness that offer and is also at the wall currently?

I am also thinking its possible Bran finds a way to communicate to him and through the Weirwood tress Bran is able to see the past and discover Jons true parents?  I really do believe we find out who his parents are this season.