Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread

[Evermind]

I get he wanted to hold true to his values of not bending, but he got a good offer and died for seemingly very little reason other than his own pride.

All this while he was saying it's not about pride at all. Yeah, I agree, that was kind of stupid.

[hefdaddy42]

I thought that Mance spoke very eloquently on why he wouldn't kneel. 

[cramx3]

I thought that Mance spoke very eloquently on why he wouldn't kneel.

Maybe so, but what "king" who has already surrendered, wouldn't take a hit on his pride to protect his own people and secure their safety?  That's why it just seemed like a pointless death

And its hard to just forget what he does in the book which for me, showed that Mance was the man

[Prog Snob]

I think the red cunt wants to devour him, but Stannis seems to hold some regard Jon Snow being Ned Stark's son.
I feel that Jon Snow sold Stannis offer extremely short to Mance, Stannis told him he'll let the Wildlings have lands and settle south of the wall! the whole reason they fought and were to continue fighting if they had defeated the night's watch and got passed the wall! Basically they were gonna do everything they were set out to do with the addition of being legal residents/neutralized citizens of Westeros, which means they would avoid future wars with the kingdoms which were to surely crush them at one point or another, Jon Snow didn't tell Mance the full offer and didn't argue any of these points, felt like they were just pushing for Mance to die.

There's a lot of book to fit into these episodes, so I guess with the time restraints they didn't want to spend too much time on this offer.  Being that Mance dies I guess the writers felt it wasn't that important to really go into too much detail anymore. 

[BlackInk]

Plus, it is stated in the books that Stannis had talked to Mance himself before. I don't remember if that was kept in the show, but that would explain why Jon wouldn't need to run through the entire deal again and mostly focus on the 'why'.

[Dimitrius]

When Jon came in, Mance pretty much knew what he was coming to talk to him about so I think we can assume Stannis or someone had talked to Mance before. Jon just tried to convinced him to take the deal.

[cramx3]

I dont remember, but I thought Stannis had said he talked to him already and told Jon to go see if he could convince him.  I may be wrong, I was half asleep watching the episode.

[BlackInk]

I checked the episode again. He never plainly says it, but he tells Jon that he knows that Mance likes him, which at least implies that they've been talking.

[ariich]

Yeah Mance clearly knew the details already. But the details were irrelevant. It's not about "being accepted" into the lands - the wildlings are all about their freedom.

[Progmetty]

If he knew then he's a fool for not accepting it for the sake of his people, I would have at least chosen to meet with the Wildlings tribe leaders and put it to a vote. Now what's gonna happen to the Wildlings? I don't see them being held captive anywhere by the Stannis forces which is on the move and far from base. Gonna be interesting to see what happens.
The one story I'm very invested in that wasn't touched upon in the premiere is Theon Greyjoy and Ramsay Bolton, very excited to see what's next for Theon, hoping for a good redemption story there.

[cramx3]

If he knew then he's a fool for not accepting it for the sake of his people, I would have at least chosen to meet with the Wildlings tribe leaders and put it to a vote. Now what's gonna happen to the Wildlings? I don't see them being held captive anywhere by the Stannis forces which is on the move and far from base. Gonna be interesting to see what happens.
The one story I'm very invested in that wasn't touched upon in the premiere is Theon Greyjoy and Ramsay Bolton, very excited to see what's next for Theon, hoping for a good redemption story there.

Yea, I think Theon/Ramsay and the Boltons in general in Winterfell is going to be a good storyline this season.  I think we see them next episode.

[King Postwhore]

I checked the episode again. He never plainly says it, but he tells Jon that he knows that Mance likes him, which at least implies that they've been talking.

I thought you like it when a show doesn't answer everything for you.

[hefdaddy42]

lol

[cramx3]

I actually rewatched it myself and yes, Stannis never said he talked to Mance, but Mance says he already knew the terms Stannis gave him implying they talked already.  That was fairly clear IMO.

[Prog Snob]

Okay noowwwwww I know why I had to read further.    

[cramx3]

Okay noowwwwww I know why I had to read further.   

That was one of my favorite parts of DwD when you realize Mance was the fuckin man with his spearwives fuckin shit up!

[BlackInk]

I checked the episode again. He never plainly says it, but he tells Jon that he knows that Mance likes him, which at least implies that they've been talking.

I thought you like it when a show doesn't answer everything for you.

I never said I didn't like this. I'm perfectly fine with the episode, I'm just addresing other's "concerns".

[Prog Snob]

Okay noowwwwww I know why I had to read further.   

That was one of my favorite parts of DwD when you realize Mance was the fuckin man with his spearwives fuckin shit up!

That was a holy shit moment for me.      Along with.... griff....

[cramx3]

Okay noowwwwww I know why I had to read further.   

That was one of my favorite parts of DwD when you realize Mance was the fuckin man with his spearwives fuckin shit up!

That was a holy shit moment for me.      Along with.... griff....

Im assuming Ramsay kills him which is why he was expendable in the show, and this may be show spoilers so read at own will (its really just fan theory)


Speculation that I read is that Brienne and Pod will take thier place and head to winterfell this season.

[Prog Snob]

Okay noowwwwww I know why I had to read further.   

That was one of my favorite parts of DwD when you realize Mance was the fuckin man with his spearwives fuckin shit up!

That was a holy shit moment for me.      Along with.... griff....

Im assuming Ramsay kills him which is why he was expendable in the show, and this may be show spoilers so read at own will (its really just fan theory)


Speculation that I read is that Brienne and Pod will take thier place and head to winterfell this season.

I confused now.  Whose place are they taking? 

[cramx3]

Okay noowwwwww I know why I had to read further.   

That was one of my favorite parts of DwD when you realize Mance was the fuckin man with his spearwives fuckin shit up!

That was a holy shit moment for me.      Along with.... griff....

Im assuming Ramsay kills him which is why he was expendable in the show, and this may be show spoilers so read at own will (its really just fan theory)


Speculation that I read is that Brienne and Pod will take thier place and head to winterfell this season.

I confused now.  Whose place are they taking? 

Mance and the spearwives, since Mance is dead in the TV show.  Like I said, pure speculation at this point but makes sense since no Lady Stoneheart in the show so what does Brienne do?

[Dimitrius]

This was a a really good episode! Nothing jaw-dropping happened, but a lot of good things did.

But as a book reader it was interesting/weird to see SPOILERS AHEAD

Ellaria be so bloodthirsty since in the book she's the only one seeking peace and no war. I swear some of her lines said to Doran where said by Arianne in the books, so now I'm sad because that means they wrapped that character to Ellaria (or so I'm thinking). The switch in Cersei's and Jaime's dynamic in regards to their children, show-Cersei being the one who wanted Jaime to be there for the kids and show-Jaime being all like "but incest though". And of course, Jaqen.

The choosing of the new Lord Commander of the Night's Watch felt too fast.

[Prog Snob]

Okay noowwwwww I know why I had to read further.   

That was one of my favorite parts of DwD when you realize Mance was the fuckin man with his spearwives fuckin shit up!

That was a holy shit moment for me.      Along with.... griff....

Im assuming Ramsay kills him which is why he was expendable in the show, and this may be show spoilers so read at own will (its really just fan theory)


Speculation that I read is that Brienne and Pod will take thier place and head to winterfell this season.

I confused now.  Whose place are they taking? 

Mance and the spearwives, since Mance is dead in the TV show.  Like I said, pure speculation at this point but makes sense since no Lady Stoneheart in the show so what does Brienne do?

Well now we know what Brienne is doing... 

[Prog Snob]

Oh and why do you say that there is no Lady Stoneheart?  I saw one of those panel interviews where someone brought that character up and they immediately shushed the guy because it's apparently some big secret still.

[BlackInk]

Cool to see Jaqen again. The execution of Mossador was well done, and the former slaves hissing at Dany was creepy. Jon being the Lord Commander is awesome! I agree that it might feel rushed compared to the books, but several days and episodes of quiet political skeeming would just drag too much on the show. Nice to see Dorne (althogh briefly) for the first time.

Also, 8 out of the 9 previous posts have been either small text or referensing small text. Is Dimitrius and I the only ones with comments about the current events, and not spoilers? As someone who avoids small text like the plague, it disappoints me every time I enter this thread and there's a bunch of new posts I can't even read.

[Evermind]

Jon Snow becoming LC felt rushed indeed. I felt like he was chosen because it was needed to advance the plot. Granted, I thought the same thing in the books, so the show nailed this one I guess. I liked Jon scene with Stannis much better though.

Great to see Jaqen back indeed, though I was a bit baffled with the fact he refused to let Arya in first, and then found her in the streets and brought her back. Why refusing her entrance in the first place, if he intended to let her enter anyway? And if not, what made him change his mind? It kind of felt like "we need to dramatically reveal Jaqen's comeback, and we can't do that in the very first Arya scene, so let's stretch this out a bit" decision.

Also, what happened to Arya's list? I seem to recall Melisandre was here for certain. And wasn't Tywin in the list too? I doubt Arya knows he's already dead at this point.

Anyway, that's just me nitpicking. I liked this episode better than the first one. Also I only have some vague ideas where Sansa storyline is going, because nothing of that sort was in the books, but I bet she's going to regret sticking with LF instead of Brienne. Because sticking with LF is always bad news. Not that she knows it, but still.

[Prog Snob]

Cool to see Jaqen again. The execution of Mossador was well done, and the former slaves hissing at Dany was creepy. Jon being the Lord Commander is awesome! I agree that it might feel rushed compared to the books, but several days and episodes of quiet political skeeming would just drag too much on the show. Nice to see Dorne (althogh briefly) for the first time.

Also, 8 out of the 9 previous posts have been either small text or referensing small text. Is Dimitrius and I the only ones with comments about the current events, and not spoilers? As someone who avoids small text like the plague, it disappoints me every time I enter this thread and there's a bunch of new posts I can't even read.

I was kind of glad to see the Lord Commander voting go quickly, though in the book the scheming did lend a bit of wiliness to Sam's character. I felt the banter between Tyrion and Varys was bland and really did nothing to advance their story. How long before Griff..hehe.

I was glad to see Drogon come back, albeit for a quick moment.

It should be interesting to see the wise ass banter between Bronn and Jaime also.  I'm not sure I fully agree with that change.

[sneakyblueberry]

Great to see Jaqen back indeed, though I was a bit baffled with the fact he refused to let Arya in first, and then found her in the streets and brought her back. Why refusing her entrance in the first place, if he intended to let her enter anyway? And if not, what made him change his mind? It kind of felt like "we need to dramatically reveal Jaqen's comeback, and we can't do that in the very first Arya scene, so let's stretch this out a bit" decision.

Also, what happened to Arya's list? I seem to recall Melisandre was here for certain. And wasn't Tywin in the list too? I doubt Arya knows he's already dead at this point.

I thought it had to do with her standing up to those thugs in the street, like maybe a test of character or something.  I dunno. 

I couldn't even make out the last name on her list, who was it?

[Prog Snob]

Great to see Jaqen back indeed, though I was a bit baffled with the fact he refused to let Arya in first, and then found her in the streets and brought her back. Why refusing her entrance in the first place, if he intended to let her enter anyway? And if not, what made him change his mind? It kind of felt like "we need to dramatically reveal Jaqen's comeback, and we can't do that in the very first Arya scene, so let's stretch this out a bit" decision.

Also, what happened to Arya's list? I seem to recall Melisandre was here for certain. And wasn't Tywin in the list too? I doubt Arya knows he's already dead at this point.

I thought it had to do with her standing up to those thugs in the street, like maybe a test of character or something.  I dunno. 

I couldn't even make out the last name on her list, who was it?

sneakyblueberry


 

[Evermind]

Meryn Trant? You know, that guy from Kingsguard. If I recall correctly, he was the one who beat Sansa on Joffrey's orders back in Season 2.

[Prog Snob]

Meryn Trant? You know, that guy from Kingsguard. If I recall correctly, he was the one who beat Sansa on Joffrey's orders back in Season 2.

But Arya was unaware of that, so that's not the reason he is on her list.  He is the one that was sent to kidnap her and he "killed" Syrio Forel. 

[Evermind]

Meryn Trant? You know, that guy from Kingsguard. If I recall correctly, he was the one who beat Sansa on Joffrey's orders back in Season 2.

But Arya was unaware of that, so that's not the reason he is on her list.  He is the one that was sent to kidnap her and he "killed" Syrio Forel.

Yeah, I know, I just used the first scene that popped up into my head with the guy.

[Prog Snob]

Meryn Trant? You know, that guy from Kingsguard. If I recall correctly, he was the one who beat Sansa on Joffrey's orders back in Season 2.

But Arya was unaware of that, so that's not the reason he is on her list.  He is the one that was sent to kidnap her and he "killed" Syrio Forel.

Yeah, I know, I just used the first scene that popped up into my head with the guy.

I figured that.  So nobody else but me think Syrio Forel might still be alive? 

[BlackInk]

I have heard that thought before. I suppose it's possible, but I don't see how it could be relevant, so he's probably dead.

[Prog Snob]

I have heard that thought before. I suppose it's possible, but I don't see how it could be relevant, so he's probably dead.

I think relevance is irrelevant in GRRM's mind.