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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: TAC on September 01, 2018, 05:52:35 PM
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Based on conversation in (of all things) The Eagles Thread.
You can only listen to 3 Black Sabbath albums for the rest of our life. Which ones are they?
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I voted:
Heaven And Hell
Sabotage
Mob Rules
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Hemispheres
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K-Lox, this shit is serious business.
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:lol
I chose the only album I know, Heaven & Hell...
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It would be way happier with 4, but:
Master of Reality
Sabotage
Heaven and Hell
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Master of Reality
I don't love the album, but Into The Void is a TOP 3 Ozzy Era track for me. That riff kills.
I loved the live version they did with Rob Halford. Fucking evil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DJSkGZsxF8
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My favourite Iommi riff with, coincidentally, Children of the Grave's. The man is really metal's Prometheus.
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Master of Reality
I don't love the album, but Into The Void is a TOP 3 Ozzy Era track for me. That riff kills.
I guess you mean the intro riff. 'Cause it's among the top 5 heaviest things ever. :metal
I'm not voting, I'm not that familiar with them. I just want to say that Dehumanizer is very good and has one of the best drum sounds ever. :metal
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I totally get that, that album is awesome and there will be plenty who’d agree with you as Dio is a far superior singer technically and his Sabbath is more accessible in terms of being more melodic and catchy. I’d probably go with Paranoid but luckily we can listen to both!
I always used to hear years ago that the Tony Martin stuff was really good too but last time I checked it was hard to get hold of.
I remember the Martin Era. They even played in Boston a number of times. I thumbed my nose at it at the time. Even with Cozy Powell, I was like, how can you call this Black Sabbath? It was a big turn off, and I completely ignored it out of spite.
That said, I really like Cross Purposes, and with the exception of Forbidden, the Martin Era is pretty um..solid.
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The first two and Sabotage.
This was easier than I thought it would be.
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the astonishing discs 1, 2, and 4
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Heaven and Hell
Mob Rules
The Devil You Know
If I had to choose an Ozzy era album it would be the first album.
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Paranoid
Master Of Reality
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
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Heaven and Hell
Mob Rules
Dehumanizer
Yeah, I'm a Dio fan more than a Sabbath fan.
And congratulations for including The Devil you Know in the list.
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Paranoid
Master of Reality
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
I don’t get the love for Heaven and Hell. Sure Dio was a much better singer than Ozzy, but the riffs aren’t as great and memorable as the riffs on the first 6 albums imo.
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Master of reality
Heaven and hell
Paranoid
I was also considering Born again, but ultimately decided not to seem blasphemous.
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Black Sabbath
Paranoid
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
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I don’t get the love for Heaven and Hell. Sure Dio was a much better singer than Ozzy, but the riffs aren’t as great and memorable as the riffs on the first 6 albums imo.
Whoooo, ho ho ho.....
Whoooh, ho ho ho-ho-ho-ho......
If the Heaven and Hell riff isn't memorable, I don't know what could be called memorable. That riff is iconic just as Iron Man's or Black Sabbath's (the song).
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Heaven & Hell, Mob Rules, Dehumanizer
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Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Paranoid
Master of Reality
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I don’t get the love for Heaven and Hell. Sure Dio was a much better singer than Ozzy, but the riffs aren’t as great and memorable as the riffs on the first 6 albums imo.
Whoooo, ho ho ho.....
Whoooh, ho ho ho-ho-ho-ho......
If the Heaven and Hell riff isn't memorable, I don't know what could be called memorable. That riff is iconic just as Iron Man's or Black Sabbath's (the song).
That’s probably the only riff on the album I would consider (almost) as memorable as the best riffs on the first 6 albums.
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SBS
Sabotage
Tyr
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Master of Reality
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Dehumanizer
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To my mind, those first 6 albums are the greatest run of 6 debut albums in history. As I honestly believe each is better than the last, Vol.4, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage have to be my top 3. I'm honestly surprised these 3 aren't getting more love - I expected them to be the top 3 in the poll results.
Heaven and Hell would be the other contender, the album that invented 80s metal.
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Heaven and Hell
Headless Cross
TYR
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Heaven and Hell
Headless Cross
TYR
good to see some love for the Martin Era. :metal
My top 3:
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Heaven and Hell
Master of Reality
But it's really hard and that list could change tomorrow.
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In no particular order...
Heaven & Hell, Mob Rules, Dehumanizer
The Dio era has always been the definitive era of Black Sabbath to me. Love a lot of the other eras too, but the Dio Trilogy is where it's at for me. :hefdaddy
As for the Ozzy era, my favorite album was always Sabbath Bloody Sabbath.
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Paranoid, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Heaven and Hell.
Was tough to pick a third one, went with Sabbath Bloody Sabbath. Title track is very good among others, but my favorite is Killing Yourself to Live, Underrated song IMO, love the beginning riff.
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Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Heaven and Hell
Born Again
That list isn't indicative though; I love the Ozzy era, even Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die!, and I love the Martin era (especially Tyr, Cross Purposes, and Forbidden). Dio is okay, but HaH is the high point. After Mob Rules, I felt that Iommi/Dio just got one-dimensional. Iommi had to be the Riff-master General, and Dio had to be Satan's Angel, and it all got to be a little rote for me.
By the way, TAC, I got to see the CP tour and the Forbidden tour, exactly a year apart in the same venue, with the same opening act (Motorhead). It was a real eye-opener, and it was the moment I realized that the heart and soul of Sabbath was/is Geezer. The CP show was SOOOOOOOOO much better than the Forbidden show. There might have been other things going on, but still.
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If I recall correctly, the whole Forbidden album and tour was just an excuse to have something to do while waiting for Ozzy to come back, so that probably could account, lack of Geezer aside, for the general atmosphere of those very last Martin years.
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Paranoid
Master Of Reality
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Yup.
The first 6 albums are where it's at IMO - I like the Dio era too (especially Dehumanizer), but those albums feel a little more formulaic and less daring than the 70s records.
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Paranoid
Master Of Reality
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Yup.
The first 6 albums are where it's at IMO - I like the Dio era too, but those albums feel a little more formulaic and less daring than the 70s records.
Agree completely.
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Yeah, for me the Ozzy era IS Black Sabbath.
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I got into Sabbath during the Ozzy era. But I now have one Black Sabbath album in my collection. It is Heaven and Hell. I do not foresee the need to buy another.
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Heaven and Hell
Mob Rules
Paranoid
(although not necessarily in that order)
Other albums have songs I prefer to what's on Paranoid (e.g., I probably prefer SBS and "Symptom of the Universe" to anything on Paranoid), but Paranoid is stronger on the whole than SBS and Sabotage.
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Upon further reflection, let me modify this just a bit.
I got into Sabbath during the Ozzy era.
I first got into Ozzy-era Sabbath, but after the fact. I started getting into them after Ozzy had already left and released Blizzard. A friend of mine was into them, and had a lot of the older albums that we would listen to. I liked them just fine. But I never bought any because funds were limited as a youngster, and I could just listen to my friend's albums if I wanted to hear them. So I basically got into them through my friend's collection. But I did get Ozzy's albums. And I found Speak of the Devil to be a nice collection of a lot of the Sabbath tunes I liked (as well as some I wasn't familiar with because my friend didn't have those albums), and a pretty solid performance. When I went back to the Sabbath studio albums, they just seemed lifeless and lacking in energy by comparison. So I never had the desire to actually own any Sabbath albums. I did eventually get Heaven and Hell, and love it to this day.
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Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Master of Reality
Heaven and Hell
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Heaven and Hell
Headless Cross
TYR
good to see some love for the Martin Era. :metal
My top 3:
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Heaven and Hell
Master of Reality
But it's really hard and that list could change tomorrow.
My fav Sabbath era.
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Heaven and Hell
Headless Cross
TYR
Snap my 3 were the same.
I discovered the band through the Dio era and the Martin stuff seemed to be the natural follow on.
Never liked the Ozzy era, not a fan of his voice at all.
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Heaven and Hell
Headless Cross
TYR
Snap my 3 were the same.
I discovered the band through the Dio era and the Martin stuff seemed to be the natural follow on.
Never liked the Ozzy era, not a fan of his voice at all.
I really love the Ozzy era, but Heaven and Hell onwards is all perfect to me. I'd even rate Born Again and Seventh Star higher than a lot of the Ozzy albums.
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Seventh Star, most of you will know, was meant to be a Iommi solo album, it was only later in the process that pressures from the record company forced Iommi to release it as Sabbath, hence the compromise "Black Sabbath featuring Tony Iommi" on the cover.
We could say that there's a Sabbath album which is Sabbath in everything but the name (The Devil You Know), and a Sabbath album which is so ONLY by name (Seventh Star), since Iommi envisioned it as a solo album with a different style than he would have used for Sabbath.
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Seventh Star, most of you will know, was meant to be a Iommi solo album, it was only later in the process that pressures from the record company forced Iommi to release it as Sabbath, hence the compromise "Black Sabbath featuring Tony Iommi" on the cover.
We could say that there's a Sabbath album which is Sabbath in everything but the name (The Devil You Know), and a Sabbath album which is so ONLY by name (Seventh Star), since Iommi envisioned it as a solo album with a different style than he would have used for Sabbath.
I guess when I went through and discovered Sabbath about 20 years ago I didn't know this. I discovered them with Ozzy then my guitar teacher introduced me to Dehumanizer and Heaven and Hell and the post Dio stuff intrigued me the most. Seventh Star didn't click at first, but I grew to appreciate it. When I realised the back story some time later, it made more sense, but since the way I discovered Sabbath, it will always feel like a Sabbath album to me.
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Wow... I thought I would be in the minority! Like my wife says..."There I go thinking again".... :lol
1. Heaven and Hell
2. Paranoid
3. Dehumanizer
Actually tough choice! Master of Reality almost gets in.
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Seventh Star, most of you will know, was meant to be a Iommi solo album, it was only later in the process that pressures from the record company forced Iommi to release it as Sabbath, hence the compromise "Black Sabbath featuring Tony Iommi" on the cover.
We could say that there's a Sabbath album which is Sabbath in everything but the name (The Devil You Know), and a Sabbath album which is so ONLY by name (Seventh Star), since Iommi envisioned it as a solo album with a different style than he would have used for Sabbath.
I guess when I went through and discovered Sabbath about 20 years ago I didn't know this. I discovered them with Ozzy then my guitar teacher introduced me to Dehumanizer and Heaven and Hell and the post Dio stuff intrigued me the most. Seventh Star didn't click at first, but I grew to appreciate it. When I realised the back story some time later, it made more sense, but since the way I discovered Sabbath, it will always feel like a Sabbath album to me.
I love "Seventh Star" ("... In Memory" is amazing), and given what came after, is every bit a "Sabbath" album as anything else in the catalogue. As I've said 1000 times, the latter day Dio stuff is kind of formulaic to me. It seems to me to be trying too hard to be what might be expected of "SABBATH!" Even if the music was progressive (and in my view, it was, very much so) there was a continuity to the Ozzy years - eight years, eight albums, in my opinion, all very strong - but the latter years were a little haphazard to me (Dio - Gillan - Hughes - Gillen - Martin - Martin - Dio - Martin - Martin - Dio - Ozzy).
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Heaven & Hell
Dehumanizer
Headless Cross (for the title track alone!)