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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nick on October 13, 2020, 10:59:37 AM
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Old one here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=54128.0
Apologies, should have done this before the draft.
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First! Prediction, Leafs will not win a the Cup, but will make it out of the first round this year. Prediction #2, Nylander and/or Andersen will not finish the season as Leafs. Maybe not even start the season as Leafs.
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I'm happy with the guy, the Kings drafted at #2, Quinton Byfield. Big Center. Looks like his ceiling is pretty high and he is now part of a lot of promising Center prospects that Kings have at the moment.
As for the free agency, ehhh, I'm fine with the Kings standing pat for now. The last time we made a splash in free agency, it was probably the worst signing we've made in a long time and the worst part of it is that I, and other people, knew that signing was bad when it was announced. That Kovalchuk signing just makes me sick to my stomach to this day.
Other than that, we got a defensemen from the Blackhawks and all we paid for was taking in $3.3M in cap space and give a prospect that's going nowhere in our system to them. it closes the difference in cap space between Doughty's contract and the next guy (which before the stoppage was Doughty at 11M and Ben Hutton at 1.5M).
Predications and expectations? I just want to see this team make some form of progress. 18-19 season. There was no hope and plenty of despair that season. 19-20 season. More of the same, but that last month before the stoppage was the best stretch they have and the most hopeful I have of this team. This next season if it happens? Let's get a couple of our promising prospects get some NHL games in and play the best they can and grow as players and hope our veterans are still performing adequately. Expand on what they did right in the last month of play. I'm not expecting a playoff spot (and probably end up bottom 5-10 again), but it would be a nice surprise if it happens.
On a side note, when watching the draft, that was pretty cool to see Alex Trebek announce Ottawa's #3 pick, Jeopardy-style. Other notes from that draft. Dang, Bettman was starting to look his age rather than looking like a guy that's always in his 50s and has a face that looks like he's making creepy intentions. Also, we all know long pretty darn long people were making their picks in and that the GMs was milking the clock for all of its worth. Holy cow.
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Yeah... I noticed that Bettman had aged quite a bit since last year's SCF. Looks like he lost some weight (not like he was big to begin with), and that showed his wrinkles and a little 'gaunt-ness'?
Off the top of anyone's head, name a UFA free agent signing where a player moves teams that is considered a good/great signing (over the past 10ish years). There's lots that I can think of where players stay with their team (Malkin, Crosby, Ovi, Stammer, Burns), but it seems most 'bad' deals are for teams aggressively going after someone, and over-paying over the long-haul. Bobs is going to be a terrible deal - hell, it already is. Unless he suddenly becomes the second coming of Martin Brodeur, the Panthers are gonna regret that deal for the entire length of the contract. I'm already not much of a fan of the Tavares deal. Not sure how anyone thinks Vegas is getting a win on the Petro contract.
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Petrangelo's breakdown of pay. So I learned that the signing bonus money is 'lump sum' paid out on the same day each year. Say what you want about the Newport Agency.....but they got their guy everything he wanted AND in a state with no state income tax. And he has the full no movement clause.
(https://i.imgur.com/ujFvKfW.jpg)
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Yikes, I know COVID makes it tough to have a huge guarantee signing bonus in the early years of the contract, but it's going to look like a horrible contract from 2022-2026 if he starts slipping from a performance standpoint if those are the payouts.
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Yikes, I know COVID makes it tough to have a huge guarantee signing bonus in the early years of the contract, but it's going to look like a horrible contract from 2022-2026 if he starts slipping from a performance standpoint if those are the payouts.
Yeah. Looks like he's doing them a favor for the first two seasons.....then the next four after that they are hooking him up big time!!! Especially 2022-2026 like you mentioned.
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He doesn't need a NMC, especially for the last year of the contract - who the hell is gonna want a 1:1 Salary:Cap hit at that age and that amount!! :omg:
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Jumbo Joe heading to the Leafs on a one-year minimum deal contract. I wonder what he can bring at his age that can inspire this Leafs team to finally be a kickass playoff team?
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Jumbo Joe heading to the Leafs on a one-year minimum deal contract. I wonder what he can bring at his age that can inspire this Leafs team to finally be a kickass playoff team?
Experience, and grit. Getting him on the cheap is good. I'd rather have a guy like him (and Spezza) on my fourth (maybe 3rd) line, than Nic Petan. And if you're thinking "who?", then my answer is "exactly". It also may give them the ability to move Alex Kerfoot, if they think that Jumbo and Spezza can both handle the 3rd/4th line C spot.
Dubas finally got the memo that young/small/speed/skill (offensive) doesn't cut it in today's NHL. Adding Simmond, Jumbo, and Bagosian gives them exactly the things they've been missing.
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Mike Emrick retires.
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Mike Emrick retires.
Good for him.
Bob Miller will always by my #1 hockey play-by-play guy, but Gary Thorne and Mike Emrick are 2a and 2b.
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I loved Gary Thorne.
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Mike Emrick retires.
It was time. For me, he was the US version of Bob Cole. Coley retired last year as well, as it was time. He wasn't mentally sharp, and he'd regularly make mistakes in his observations of the plays and mis-identify players. I'm not sure if that was starting to plague Emerick, but the one-and-only time I listened to him during the round-robin, it seemed he'd certainly lost a step. There was no charm in his play-by-play... he was literally just calling players names and stating what they were doing with a very limited repertoire of descriptions. I mean, listening to jingle.son play NHL2020, there's more emotion in the announcers there.
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I think the lack of live atmosphere and the fact that Doc had to call the games off-site may have had something to do with him losing a step. I enjoyed Doc when watching the NBC Sports feed at times. Sure, he's not perfect, but I think his enthusiasm when calling the games makes up for it and get the home viewers intrigued of the game and, to me, that's the important part of commentary. He made Pierre McGuire bearable when both are on the commentary team for certain games which is a big task to take on. I remember a Summer Olympics (don't remember what year) where both of them was calling a Water Polo tournament together for the NBC telecast.
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What I enjoyed about him was listening to the utter disappointment sad realization in his voice when the Blues beat the Stars, Sharks and then Bruins to win the cup. He was horrible at hiding the fact he was pulling for whichever team the Blues were facing that Stanley Cup run. I thought at one point he was going to go down to the bench in each series and blow Benn....then Thornton then Chara. He called a nice game but I don't think he was very good at hiding the teams he'd prefer to see win.
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I don't think Doc was the one that called Blues/Stars and Blues/Sharks from that year. It was Kenny Albert that called it from what I remember. He's the one that usually calls the Western Conference series.
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I don't think Doc was the one that called Blues/Stars and Blues/Sharks from that year. It was Kenny Albert that called it from what I remember. He's the one that usually calls the Western Conference series.
I may be thinking of the over the top Chara love then. I get my 'rage' mixed up sometimes.....so much to go around when concerning announcers and Blues hockey.
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I will miss Doc very much. He was so damn good at his job and always made the games extra exciting. "OOOOOOOOOH AND A REMARKABLE PLAY BY BINNINGTON!!! MYYYYYY GOODNESS!"
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Mike Emrick retires.
Please for the love of god NBC do not put Pierre McGuire in the booth!!!
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Mike Emrick retires.
Please for the love of god NBC do not put Pierre McGuire in the booth!!!
I wouldn't worry about that. They would not make the crazy decision to have Pierre McGuire be lead broadcaster. Anywho, here's a nice video from Doc reflecting on his long long career which goes hand in the evolution of the NHL ever since he started his broadcasting career.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqGpNspdZB4
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Mike Emrick retires.
Please for the love of god NBC do not put Pierre McGuire in the booth!!!
I wouldn't worry about that. They would not make the crazy decision to have Pierre McGuire be lead broadcaster. Anywho, here's a nice video from Doc reflecting on his long long career which goes hand in the evolution of the NHL ever since he started his broadcasting career.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqGpNspdZB4
Interesting at the 2:34 mark where he says "I hate the Blues.". ;D
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Yeah, zero chance of creepy Paul McGuire getting a play-by-play role. Broadcasters just can’t transition like that. Just like refs and players, ya gotta get experience and hone your craft in the juniors/minors before getting a crack at the big show.
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Who do you think will become the lead play by play guy?
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The local Fox Sports outlet had been airing "classic" LA Kings games, and I watched the September 1991 outdoor game in Vegas between the Kings and the Rangers. Kings won, but the Rangers took a 2-0 lead on goals by rookies Tony Amonte and Doug Weight.
Hearing "two-line pass" calls and seeing players having to touch-up for icing brought back memories.
(https://www.dailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/migration/2014/201401/SPORTS_140129849_AR_0_XIVWYARMEPJP.jpg)
Who do you think will become the lead play by play guy?
Could be Mike Tirico (https://barrettsportsmedia.com/2020/10/20/could-mike-tirico-replace-doc-emrick-on-nhl-games/#:~:text=NHL%20All%2DStars%20In%20Prime,Hall%20of%20Famer%20Eddie%20Olcyzk.%22), but I'd think Kenny Albert or Dave Strader would be more likely.
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Pretty sure it won't be Dave Stader.
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Pretty sure it won't be Dave Stader.
Maybe Stadler.
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Pretty sure it won't be Dave Stader.
Maybe Stadler.
Oh, I'd get a NHL Network subscription to listen to that. All we'd hear about is how fans should be cheering equally loudly for both teams, and whether there was equality in the officiating holding both sides to the same standard.
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Pretty sure it won't be Dave Stader.
Maybe Stadler.
Oh, I'd get a NHL Network subscription to listen to that. All we'd hear about is how fans should be cheering equally loudly for both teams, and whether there was equality in the officiating holding both sides to the same standard.
Yup, and it had been building that way for years, and Bettman is simply a product of that. Except it'd be a lot wordier (than that), of course.
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Pretty sure it won't be Dave Stader.
Maybe Stadler.
Oh, I'd get a NHL Network subscription to listen to that. All we'd hear about is how fans should be cheering equally loudly for both teams, and whether there was equality in the officiating holding both sides to the same standard.
Yup, and it had been building that way for years, and Bettman is simply a product of that. Except it'd be a lot wordier (than that), of course.
He appreciates the grit and grind of old-school physical hockey, but doesn't want fighting in the league anymore and loves the speed and skill of the new generation.
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And so much Kiss played in the background coming in and out of commercial breaks
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Yup, and their worst songs at that.
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Yup, and their worst songs at that.
Lmao!!
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And it would be a ratings BONANZA!!
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And it would be a ratings BONANZA!!
I'd watch/listen!
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And so much Kiss played in the background coming in and out of commercial breaks
On that note, I mentioned how KISS played the pre-game ceremony at Dodger Stadium between the Kings and Ducks back in 2014 and I recalled me and people from another forum cringed seeing KISS at that ceremony at the time. Now, I'm not saying that this could have been a better option, but I think they could have try to make an effort to get Van Halen to play that particular pre-game ceremony. I recall Wolfgang being at more Kings home games at the time in their big run and I think there's a picture out there of him with Eddie and Eric Friedman (guitarist from Mark Tremonti's solo band) at a Kings game and there was a glimpse of them shot on TV.
On that note, there was a shot of Luc Robitaille with a guitar and Eddie and Wolfgang getting jerseys at the time. Here was the picture below. That was a good time in life. 2014.
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-gGm3MxS3XBE%2FU2E70uejm6I%2FAAAAAAAAYKs%2F2roEnP-SZCE%2Fs400%2FVH.LA%2BKings.Wolf%2Btweet.0429-14.jpg&hash=30c71af72249019da3d3a93e8a19c24797294f45)
Edit: Just read the article. "Reports indicates Van Halen are actively working on a new album, the follow-up to 2012's A Different Kind of Truth." Well, that's a bittersweet note now knowing that there is no new album and Eddie is gone.
http://www.hennemusic.com/2014/04/van-halen-lends-hometown-support-to-los.html
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And it would be a ratings BONANZA!!
More like a Brass Bonanza!
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I have an old 45rpm somewhere of the Brass Bonanza! I miss the Whale.
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First Joey Moss passed away last week, and today Travis Roy did as well.
Dammit!
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Fucking crickets on the upcoming season.
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I actually just added a segment from TSN Overdrive that aired today/yesterday to my YT 'watch later'. Headline was "Should NHL fans anticipate a ‘lockout-shortened season’ format?"
Will report back later after I watch it.
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Yep. Only big murmur so far was that someone is apparently making the call that the OHL, a junior league in Canada, is not going to allow bodychecking, in their words, as an attempt to lower the spread of COVID. Like how can you enforce that in a naturally intense and physical game in the first place?
Also, I've been listening a lot to the Steve Dangle Podcast, recently. It's an interesting and sometimes funny listen hearing three Maple Leafs fans talk about their views and what's going on regarding the Leafs and what's happening around the league and around it.
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Yep. Only big murmur so far was that someone is apparently making the call that the OHL, a junior league in Canada, is not going to allow bodychecking, in their words, as an attempt to lower the spread of COVID. Like how can you enforce that in a naturally intense and physical game in the first place?
Also, I've been listening a lot to the Steve Dangle Podcast, recently. It's an interesting and sometimes funny listen hearing three Maple Leafs fans talk about their views and what's going on regarding the Leafs and what's happening around the league and around it.
Dangle is awesome. jingle.daughter follows him religiously.
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On cue, Bill Daly says today the league is shooting for January 1st.
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No clue how the NHL can possibly think a jan 1 start is realistic. It's not feasible to have bubbles for the entire season, and no way the Canadian government is going to allow fans in the stands.
Has anyone heard what their plan is going to be? I've heard rumblings about all canadian division to avoid issues with the border being closed, but nothing much more than that.
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They could do like what they did in the last lockout season where teams only played games within their conference. Put the Eastern Conference in Buffalo or Detroit so the Maple Leafs, Senators, and Canadiens don't have to travel too far over the border, limiting the potential spread, and put the Western Conference in Vancouver or Winnipeg so the American Western Conference teams don't have to travel too far over the border in the other direction. It would suck for players to have to stay away from home for that long, but if they want to play this year these will be sacrifices they have to make.
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I see no chance of that flying with the PA, just from a personal standpoint. 2 months away from family was brutal enough. I see s he tees scenario as more likely, though the travel on the “Canadian” conference teams would be brutal.
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I doubt the Canadian federal government is going to allow cross border travel for sports. They wouldn't let mlb do it. The US side isn't the problem (from a travel perspective, at least). The border is going to be closed most or all of 2021, so non-canadian players won't be allowed back in without special consideration. Playing in Buffalo won't be an option if it means having a home back in Toronto.
An all-canadian division would work since inter-provincial travel is allowed, but that's an awfully dull schedule seeing the same 7 teams all the time.
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An all-canadian division would work since inter-provincial travel is allowed, but that's an awfully dull schedule seeing the same 7 teams all the time.
Uhhhh, I wonder how people pre-1970 deal with that kind of schedule and I think they were playing the same amount of games in a season, or close to it, back then as well.
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In my opinion, a 6, as was the case pre-expansion, or 7 team league does not make for a competitive, entertaining experience (*cough* CFL football *cough*). And in the case of a potential division without games outside the division, you can easily end up with a team having an inflated record if there's a few weak teams in the division. You need only look back to the old South or Southeast division (whatever they called it) that the Capitals dominated every year. The caps even made the playoffs as a 10th place team once because they were the division leader. Keeping games within a conference is one thing, but within just your division will skew the standings. Another consideration is whether or not the other divisions would play inter-divison games, or would everyone just play their own division?
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I doubt the Canadian federal government is going to allow cross border travel for sports.
Not even for hockey?
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I doubt the Canadian federal government is going to allow cross border travel for sports.
Not even for hockey?
Sounds like it. That's how you know this is pretty serious stuff when Canadians are not even making hockey reasons an exception to allowing anyone in.
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I doubt the Canadian federal government is going to allow cross border travel for sports.
Not even for hockey?
I'll assume you forgot a laughy emote after this.
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An all-canadian division would work since inter-provincial travel is allowed, but that's an awfully dull schedule seeing the same 7 teams all the time.
Uhhhh, I wonder how people pre-1970 deal with that kind of schedule and I think they were playing the same amount of games in a season, or close to it, back then as well.
I saw a proposal on a Red Wings' blog that seemed interesting.
https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2020/11/13/21562824/quick-hits-the-mailbag-edition (https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2020/11/13/21562824/quick-hits-the-mailbag-edition)
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Given the way things are trending, I see about a .... ZERO ... percent chance of the Canadian gov't waiving mandatory quarantine for border crossings of non-essential workers. NHL is not essential. They didn't do it for the Jays; they're not doing it for the Raptors; there's no serious talk of it happening for the NHL. I might be wrong, but honestly, I don't want to be or think I will be - it simply sets a precedent that will face a lot of public (and potentially legal) scrutiny.
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Agree. Lockdown 2.0 started today here in Alberta. It's not trending well in Canada.
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Agree. Lockdown 2.0 started today here in Alberta. It's not trending well in Canada.
Not like it's trending well anywhere. We should be in Lockdown in Ontario as well, but our Premier is a bigger idiot than Kenney.
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Agree. Lockdown 2.0 started today here in Alberta. It's not trending well in Canada.
Not like it's trending well anywhere. We should be in Lockdown in Ontario as well, but our Premier is a bigger idiot than Kenney.
No argument there.
World Juniors are going to be doing bubble hockey here in town during the Holidays. I think the NHL will be keeping a close eye on how it's going on the lead-up.
I'm wondering how long the NHL could operate without ticket revenue? Seems unlikely they could go 1 or 2 seasons with just the tv revenues. I guess they could just move the Canadian teams down south for the season and play with some fans. I think an indoor arena is a whole other level than what the NFL and college football has been doing though.
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On another note, the NHL has announced that they are bringing some reverse retro jerseys. The Kings' one looks good to me. A solid blend of the early days of the Purple and Gold era colors with the Gretzky-era logo (the Chevy logo).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em89pc7XMAEn3kb?format=jpg&name=small)
Other jersey designs look good and some look not as good. I.E. the Ducks. Couldn't they have done something better to incorporate the original logo rather than put it on Wild Wing?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em89MrPXIAMOeNL?format=jpg&name=small)
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I like the Kings' one for sure.
I also like the Bruins.'
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/OsyZVpY7plYXDd1EQHpzXEH6238=/0x0:5966x3977/1200x800/filters:focal(2942x891:3896x1845)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/67798991/gold1.0.jpeg)
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On another note, the NHL has announced that they are bringing some reverse retro jerseys. The Kings' one looks good to me. A solid blend of the early days of the Purple and Gold era colors with the Gretzky-era logo (the Chevy logo).
I don't know.... I like the purple (errr...Forum blue) Kings jersey (I have a gold Robitaille jersey that I don't wear too often because I don't care for the color), but having the Chevy logo is just weird.
And the Ducks one is downright awful. If they were going to use Wild Wing, they should have showed him where he nearly killed himself trying to jump through a ring of fire. :lol
But I'm getting tired of the NHL shoving this down my throat on Facebook. "Which retro Metro jersey are you most excited about?!" None of them. The day I get "excited" about a jersey that exist for no purpose other than to induce fans to drop $150 will never come.
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And the Ducks one is downright awful. If they were going to use Wild Wing, they should have showed him where he nearly killed himself trying to jump through a ring of fire. :lol
This prompted me to watch this pregame footage from the first ever Mighty Ducks game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNPTrpjpW-k
I was at that game. My friend and I were busting a gut laughing at how mind-blowingly lame this was.
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On another note, the NHL has announced that they are bringing some reverse retro jerseys. The Kings' one looks good to me. A solid blend of the early days of the Purple and Gold era colors with the Gretzky-era logo (the Chevy logo).
I don't know.... I like the purple (errr...Forum blue) Kings jersey (I have a gold Robitaille jersey that I don't wear too often because I don't care for the color), but having the Chevy logo is just weird.
And the Ducks one is downright awful. If they were going to use Wild Wing, they should have showed him where he nearly killed himself trying to jump through a ring of fire. :lol
Right, my apologies. Forum Blue. Thank Jack Kent Cooke for that term instead of purple.
About Wild Wing, I was way too young to read about that in real time, but I still get a chuckle of it when it comes up. Did anyone thought in planning that this was going to be a good idea that can be executed safely? Never mind the fact that he was on fire in the end. He was going to land stomach first anyway.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPAuG7hUYAE1Zvi?format=jpg&name=small)
As for the jerseys, I may buy the Kings' design. I don't own a jersey (piggybacked on wearing my sister and her husband's jerseys when going to the games back in late 00s and 2010). I mean I was planning to go to more games in the 19-20 season and buy a jersey once I had some spending money, but the obvious elephant happened......
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On another note, the NHL has announced that they are bringing some reverse retro jerseys. The Kings' one looks good to me. A solid blend of the early days of the Purple and Gold era colors with the Gretzky-era logo (the Chevy logo).
I don't know.... I like the purple (errr...Forum blue) Kings jersey (I have a gold Robitaille jersey that I don't wear too often because I don't care for the color), but having the Chevy logo is just weird.
And the Ducks one is downright awful. If they were going to use Wild Wing, they should have showed him where he nearly killed himself trying to jump through a ring of fire. :lol
Right, my apologies. Forum Blue. Thank Jack Kent Cooke for that term instead of purple.
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As for the jerseys, I may buy the Kings' design. I don't own a jersey (piggybacked on wearing my sister and her husband's jerseys when going to the games back in late 00s and 2010). I mean I was planning to go to more games in the 19-20 season and buy a jersey once I had some spending money, but the obvious elephant happened......
Yeah. My comment was intended as a jab at Cooke since there's no world in which that color isn't purple. I think it looks good, but it just feels odd to have the Chevy logo in purple and gold.
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In college hockey news, the Long Island Sharks launched their new men's hockey program a few months ago and won their first game in OT last night! That school has my favorite athletic branding.
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Seems the Canadian government isn't giving the NBA a pass on crossing the border..
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Seems the Canadian government isn't giving the NBA a pass on crossing the border..
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So here are the potential temporary realignments if a 2021 season were to happen and Canadian government is not backing down on their border policy for the time being. I think some people would be thrilled on an all Canadian division. That stated, any fans in the West that's not Avs, Golden Knights, and Stars fans are going to not be as happy. Also, at least, the Blackhawks and Red Wings are in the same division again, albeit both teams are not the best of the bunch at the moment.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnM5NuTUYAIys5A?format=jpg)
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1329469226181070855
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Yeah, that West Division looks awfully weak. East is solid top to bottom, then Canada, then Central. That’s how I’d stack them.
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The more I keep reading various news about the disputes when it comes to salary between players and owners where I think the owners want the players to defer a percentage of their salary, the more I feel like this season isn't going to go ahead, even in a shortened form. We seem to keep having these kinds of issues every 8 years or so or some variation of it in ways unexpected. You think everyone in the league would have done everything in their power to prevent yet another potential lockout, but this pandemic made everyone horribly unprepared when it comes to these kinds of negotiations.
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They already have a new CBA in place, so the players can just say'no, thank you' and get full salary. It just wouldn't be in their best interest. As Bettman recently put it, the players can choose whether they want to pay for their share of the pandemic impact now or later.
I think it's less likely the season goes ahead because covid is running rampant in both countries. Although, maybe with vaccines soon arriving the NHL might just gamble. The NFL is more or less print on a clinic of what not to do. Hopefully the NHL takes notes
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I don't know if the NFL is a clinic of what not to do, but the NHL and NBA can surely take lessons from the NFL.
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So a Wayne Gretzky rookie card sold today for 1.29 million. Apparently it's one of 2 cards that have the highest quality grade.
I have one that I can find and it's in excellent condition. But I have no idea how to sell it.
I see there's one on EBay for 50k. Who does that? I'd never send any money to anyone on Ebay, much less 50k.
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You have an honest to goodness authentic Great One rookie card? Holly shit! If it's in quality condition i.e been encased the whole time, you could try to sell it through an auction house. That's where all the big collectibles are sold, like rare comics, etc. You'd be paying a commission but who the fuck cares unless you're a collector
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My hockey cards are long gone. And I'm kick the crap out of myself for "selling" a box of comics when I was 17, for $40. All were in sleeves, in mint condition. As I recall, I had some fairly rare ones - Punisher #1 comes to mind - as well as some full collections (like the original Secret Wars). I suspect they'd be worth quite a bit now.
TAC, that'd be f'n cool if it was worth 5 or 6 figures.
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You have an honest to goodness authentic Great One rookie card? Holly shit! If it's in quality condition i.e been encased the whole time, you could try to sell it through an auction house. That's where all the big collectibles are sold, like rare comics, etc. You'd be paying a commission but who the fuck cares unless you're a collector
Yes I have one.
(https://i.imgur.com/jaDv0sd.jpg?1)
It has not been encased, but is actually in pretty good shape. The I included a pic of the card showing the four WHA teams that joined the NHL that year. There were only four Oilers that had cards that year.
Goalie Dave Dryden
Lee Fogilin
Cam Conner (whoever the hell he is)
Wayne Gretzky
Of course I have FIVE Cam Conners! :facepalm:
I do have a bunch of cards of the following year.
(https://i.imgur.com/8Lb5h8k.jpg?1)
I have a couple of French versions because my hockey team played in Quebec that year and I bought a bunch of hockey cards up there.
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All right, guys. It's official. January 13th is the start date of the new season. 56 games, like it's been rumored to have gone. All games are going to be play against their respective division rivals. Top four of each division gets in the playoffs. Here are the alignments.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EptfZJkXMAADVWu?format=jpg)
It's going to be an ugly scrap for the bottom 5 teams of the West to get that 4th spot to qualify for the playoffs. Going to be hard to determine an edge on that one.
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They're doing what they can to get another season in but I'm not overly thrilled that StL is in the West. Not because of the competition, I think StL will be fine on that aspect.....but because of the Fn game start times now. I do think it's a bit silly for them to be in that division being that you couldn't have a more 'central' Fn city.....Dallas the Wild and Blues were all on the hook to get F'd by this but it is what it is.
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Yep, we definitely got the shaft, but it is what it is. The NHL did the best they could given the circumstances.
With the C and two A's from the Cup-winning team of 18 months ago now gone, should be interesting to see how the Blues do. O'Reilly will do fine as the captain once the inevitable happens, but others will need to step up and help with the leadership void.
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Oh, did they make O'Reilly Captain? Makes sense.
That totally blows about the game times. Tough for the kids, Gary.
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This is gonna be interesting .... Ontario is rumoured to be going in to a hard 28 day lockdown as of Friday. Hard to see how the NHL is going to be considered an “essential service”.
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This is gonna be interesting .... Ontario is rumoured to be going in to a hard 28 day lockdown as of Friday. Hard to see how the NHL is going to be considered an “essential service”.
Doesn't sound like the BC government is going to allow the NHL an exemption, either, for players entering the province from the other Canadian markets. This season may yet get scrapped.
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On top of that, I'm reading word that the Sharks is going to hold training camp in Arizona? May not bode well for Kings and Ducks as well for them playing at home. Well, I expect there to be roadblocks when every team location has different policies when it comes to this stuff. On the other end of the spectrum, I'm also reading that Dallas and Florida may allow fans in (albeit in limited capacity and following social distancing rules)? Although, Stars did do watch parties at their arena during the Cup run and I don't think they had any issues with it so, for them, this is the next step.
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On top of that, I'm reading word that the Sharks is going to hold training camp in Arizona? May not bode well for Kings and Ducks as well for them playing at home. Well, I expect there to be roadblocks when every team location has different policies when it comes to this stuff. On the other end of the spectrum, I'm also reading that Dallas and Florida may allow fans in (albeit in limited capacity and following social distancing rules)? Although, Stars did do watch parties at their arena during the Cup run and I don't think they had any issues with it so, for them, this is the next step.
Texas and Florida the first to announce they will allow fans in attendance:
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/74165001/just-look-at-everyone-whos-surprised.jpg)
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The Stars and Blues should be switched. Keep the Wild/Stars rivalry and Blues/Blackhawks rivalry intact.
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The Stars and Blues should be switched. Keep the Wild/Stars rivalry and Blues/Blackhawks rivalry intact.
Yeah. The more I look at it....it’s a pretty crappy deal for StL. Hawks and Preds are two big rivalries that are squashed this season now. Not to mention geographically Dallas is several hundred miles further West that StL.
I get it......none of its ideal but this seems like a pretty big miss by the NHL.
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Nikita Kucherov to miss regular season following hip surgery.
https://www.tsn.ca/nikita-kucherov-to-have-surgery-miss-regular-season-1.1568138
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Nikita Kucherov to miss regular season following hip surgery.
https://www.tsn.ca/nikita-kucherov-to-have-surgery-miss-regular-season-1.1568138
Ooof. Now I'm really ticked off about not being in the Central Division.
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Nikita Kucherov to miss regular season following hip surgery.
https://www.tsn.ca/nikita-kucherov-to-have-surgery-miss-regular-season-1.1568138
Ooof. Now I'm really ticked off about not being in the Central Division.
Oh, c'mon.... being in the division that has the Kings, Sharks, Ducks ain't so bad.
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I thought an article I saw on this summed it up well: it's good for the Blues (being in the division with a lot of potential bad teams) and bad for Blues fans (a lot of late games on the west coast games). I did see that there are at least three weekends where the Blues have back to backs on Friday and Saturday night on the west coast, so, as M-F worker, I like that. Staying up late on the weekends is a little bit easier.
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You certainly are a MFer. ;D
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You certainly are a MFer. ;D
:clap:
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Nikita Kucherov to miss regular season following hip surgery.
https://www.tsn.ca/nikita-kucherov-to-have-surgery-miss-regular-season-1.1568138
Ooof. Now I'm really ticked off about not being in the Central Division.
Oh, c'mon.... being in the division that has the Kings, Sharks, Ducks ain't so bad.
True. But I’d rather be playing the Hawks, Preds and Red Wings......just for rivalry sake. Those games would be intense.
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Nikita Kucherov to miss regular season following hip surgery.
https://www.tsn.ca/nikita-kucherov-to-have-surgery-miss-regular-season-1.1568138
Ooof. Now I'm really ticked off about not being in the Central Division.
Oh, c'mon.... being in the division that has the Kings, Sharks, Ducks ain't so bad.
True. But I’d rather be playing the Hawks, Preds and Red Wings......just for rivalry sake. Those games would be intense.
I was really hoping for an old Norris Division reunion tour as well. Those rivalries were way more satisfying than playing Buffalo, Ottawa and Montreal since the Wings went East.
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You certainly are a MFer. ;D
:lol :lol
*golf clap*
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I'll bet the Blackhawks regret letting Dach go to the World Juniors now.
And the Rangers are screaming "SEE!!!!" :lol
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TSN reporting Bill Daly thinks the Canadian government will approve the teams moving from province to province.
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I'll bet the Blackhawks regret letting Dach go to the World Juniors now.
And the Rangers are screaming "SEE!!!!" :lol
On the other hand, I think the Kings are fine having Byfield, Turcotte, etc. going there and try to see what they have and what they can improve on before being ready to play in the big time. I don't think the organization is going to have them play too many games in majors, this season, but maybe near the end of the season where if they have no shot of playoffs (very highly) and want to experiment with the line-up a bit and mix around with prospects playing games? I don't know.
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TSN reporting Bill Daly thinks the Canadian government will approve the teams moving from province to province.
I heard that, too, but the feds are only half the equation. The provinces themselves have authority over public health orders, so if the Premier of BC id adamant he doesn't want inter-provinvial NHL travel, it won't happen. Here in Alberta our Premier is on board, but Edmonton city Council might not be if the WJHC blows up. Hell, our council voted to make masks mandatory all the way through 2021, so i wouldn't be surprised if they don't allow NHL games in the city.
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Word is Ontario is good to go. There was a provision in the lockdown that allowed for facilities for "high performance athletes" to remain open - which is the avenue I think that gives the NHL a path to operate practices and games.
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TSN reporting Bill Daly thinks the Canadian government will approve the teams moving from province to province.
I heard that, too, but the feds are only half the equation. The provinces themselves have authority over public health orders, so if the Premier of BC id adamant he doesn't want inter-provinvial NHL travel, it won't happen. Here in Alberta our Premier is on board, but Edmonton city Council might not be if the WJHC blows up. Hell, our council voted to make masks mandatory all the way through 2021, so i wouldn't be surprised if they don't allow NHL games in the city.
Right, I understand that. I used "government" loosely. My point was the nhl seemed confident they had an understanding with the provinces. Seemed they just had to produce more protocols.
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Blues sign Mike Hoffman to a PTO. That's a steal, no? I'm shocked the guy couldn't get a guaranteed contract.
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Blues sign Mike Hoffman to a PTO. That's a steal, no? I'm shocked the guy couldn't get a guaranteed contract.
They're waiting for the 'technical' season to start so they can officially place Tarasenko and Steen on LTIR. Steen is retiring and Tarasenko won't be back until February at best.....so it's just cap maneuvering. It's being reported an agreement is in place for one year at $4 million.
I mean, the guy can play but I've heard there's baggage that comes with him.
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Blues sign Mike Hoffman to a PTO. That's a steal, no? I'm shocked the guy couldn't get a guaranteed contract.
They're waiting for the 'technical' season to start so they can officially place Tarasenko and Steen on LTIR. Steen is retiring and Tarasenko won't be back until February at best.....so it's just cap maneuvering. It's being reported an agreement is in place for one year at $4 million.
I mean, the guy can play but I've heard there's baggage that comes with him.
Yes that’s right. LTIR. I heard that.
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Blues sign Mike Hoffman to a PTO. That's a steal, no? I'm shocked the guy couldn't get a guaranteed contract.
They're waiting for the 'technical' season to start so they can officially place Tarasenko and Steen on LTIR. Steen is retiring and Tarasenko won't be back until February at best.....so it's just cap maneuvering. It's being reported an agreement is in place for one year at $4 million.
I mean, the guy can play but I've heard there's baggage that comes with him.
Long Term Injured Reserve. If a player is on it their salary does not count against the cap hit. BUT....when they come off of it their salary is then added back in. So, you can play around with it but in the case of Tarasenko.....his $7.5million hit will come back this season at some point. Steens will not because he's retiring.....but even that is weird the way they're doing it so he gets his full salary but the Blues only take like a $3million hit instead of his full $5.75 mil.
Yes that’s right. LTIR. I heard that.
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1 X $4M still feels like a steal for the Blues. I can't believe no one else didn't bite on Hoffman.
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I think teams just don't have the cap space to afford him or he thought he was going to get more and that's why he turned down any initial deals during the start of the FA period or teams don't want to sign him due to the "baggage."
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Based solely on what went down in Ottawa, I'd say Hoffman's wife is most of the baggage
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Based solely on what went down in Ottawa, I'd say Hoffman's wife is most of the baggage
StL has had a good streak of 'problem' players coming to this team and changing their ways so to speak. Ryan O'Reily being the last example. Hoffman is talented and can play.....it seems like he'd fit in as far as just hockey. Maybe the StL locker room or the city in general is something that can help change the baggage issue that's talked about. Who knows?
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Well, this is an interesting twist. Henrik Lundqvist is not able to play this season with the Capitals due to a heart condition that requires surgery and this will highly actually close the door on his professional career. How does the Capitals respond? Well, they have signed Craig Anderson to a PTO to try to figure out the goalie situation, but that's not all. They also signed Zdeno Chara to a one-year deal in the amount of $795,000?
https://twitter.com/Capitals/status/1344387723847729158
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Dammit, was just about to post about Chara..
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Dammit, was just about to post about Chara..
Well, you can post his Instagram post regarding his goodbye. You can quote it as well. I won't stop you.
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Dammit, was just about to post about Chara..
Well, you can post his Instagram post regarding his goodbye. You can quote it as well. I won't stop you.
As if Tim knows what Instagram is. :lol
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Dammit, was just about to post about Chara..
Well, you can post his Instagram post regarding his goodbye. You can quote it as well. I won't stop you.
As if Tim knows what Instagram is. :lol
Yeah, but I was hopeful that he can find some way to post Chara's post on his goodbye to Boston.
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Funny... jingle.kids and I were just talking earlier today about who's going to be the Caps' starting goalie. They really need to make some kind of move for a Tier 1 goalie if they want a chance to finish top-4 in the East.
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Funny... jingle.kids and I were just talking earlier today about who's going to be the Caps' starting goalie. They really need to make some kind of move for a Tier 1 goalie if they want a chance to finish top-4 in the East.
Oh, you mean they didn't sign Chara to play goal? The guy can't fucking skate!
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But he can sure exaggerate a boo-boo on his jaw...;)
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But he can sure exaggerate a boo-boo on his jaw...;)
:lol
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But he can sure exaggerate a boo-boo on his jaw...;)
:lol
I'll bet 1/2 the Blues roster wouldn't play thru a broken jaw. I'll give this to Chara, he's a f'n tough SOB
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I can take a good ribbing, but not at the loss of the Stanley Cup. That's too painful of a blow. Humility boys. Humility.
Had the Bruins won that Cup, Chara coming back would've been fucking legendary. Legendary. I feel bad he didn't get rewarded for his efforts.
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I can take a good ribbing, but not at the loss of the Stanley Cup. That's too painful of a blow. Humility boys. Humility.
Had the Bruins won that Cup, Chara coming back would've been fucking legendary. Legendary. I feel bad he didn't get rewarded for his efforts.
Yes he was hurt. I just don’t buy to the level that NBC pimped it out to be for the storyline.
And Chad.....I can’t recall the exact injuries but like every team who makes it that far the Blues entire roster was playing hurt with something that would cripple you or I.
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I can take a good ribbing, but not at the loss of the Stanley Cup. That's too painful of a blow. Humility boys. Humility.
Had the Bruins won that Cup, Chara coming back would've been fucking legendary. Legendary. I feel bad he didn't get rewarded for his efforts.
Yes he was hurt. I just don’t buy to the level that NBC pimped it out to be for the storyline.
And Chad.....I can’t recall the exact injuries but like every team who makes it that far the Blues entire roster was playing hurt with something that would cripple you or I.
Fair enough. Every team has a lot of hidden injuries - SCF or even Round 1 (Hyman on the Leafs was playing with a torn ACL against the Bruins 2 years ago). Broken jaw is something else, imo... just try breathing thru that things when your heart is pumping at 175bpm
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I can take a good ribbing, but not at the loss of the Stanley Cup. That's too painful of a blow. Humility boys. Humility.
Had the Bruins won that Cup, Chara coming back would've been fucking legendary. Legendary. I feel bad he didn't get rewarded for his efforts.
Yes he was hurt. I just don’t buy to the level that NBC pimped it out to be for the storyline.
He had a broken jaw that was fucking wired shut.
I mean, I don't know how anyone could look down their nose for that. Fuck, man.
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I can take a good ribbing, but not at the loss of the Stanley Cup. That's too painful of a blow. Humility boys. Humility.
Had the Bruins won that Cup, Chara coming back would've been fucking legendary. Legendary. I feel bad he didn't get rewarded for his efforts.
Yes he was hurt. I just don’t buy to the level that NBC pimped it out to be for the storyline.
He had a broken jaw that was fucking wired shut.
I mean, I don't know how anyone could look down their nose for that. Fuck, man.
Tim. I’m not looking down my nose or discounting the injury. My beef lies more with NBC’s coverage of it. You’d have thought he took a bayonet I’m the gut at Normandy the way they were acting. He’s not the first hockey player to play with a jaw wired shut. Not suggesting it’s small potatoes or wasn’t admirable but.....NBC was over the top with the way they were slobbering all over the narrative.
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OK, fair enough. The hype machine can be a bit much.
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Tim. I’m not looking down my nose or discounting the injury. My beef lies more with NBC’s coverage of it. You’d have thought he took a bayonet I’m the gut at Normandy the way they were acting. He’s not the first hockey player to play with a jaw wired shut. Not suggesting it’s small potatoes or wasn’t admirable but.....NBC was over the top with the way they were slobbering all over the narrative.
I'm sure NBC probably did the same (maybe even worst considering whose the guy) when they were showing Penguins games during the time Crosby had to wear a more-custom mouthguard when he took a puck to the face a couple of years back.
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I can take a good ribbing, but not at the loss of the Stanley Cup. That's too painful of a blow. Humility boys. Humility.
I wasn't ribbing about the loss in the Finals; I was making a pun about Chara. And I pretty much agree with Gary's take on it today.
And honestly, even though I am not really the gloating type, I'd probably be still boasting about the Cup win more here if not for you and Joe, but I try to tone it down and not run my mouth (posts) about it too much out of respect for you guys.
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Somebody's gotta keep you in check. ;D
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Haha, I will say this, though: 2019 has made it easier to watch highlights of past Cup winners. Before then, it was nauseating, but now that we've got ours, I can watch the others and enjoy them. Except when the Blackhawks or Red Wings win. I won't watch any of those. They are far too gross. :lol :lol
And I should also point out that whoever puts together those video packages of playoff games to post on YT does an awesome job. You can watch a 10-12 minute highlight package of a great playoff game and it feels like you just watched a whole game. Okay, not quite, but sorta close.
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Haha, I will say this, though: 2019 has made it easier to watch highlights of past Cup winners. Before then, it was nauseating, but now that we've got ours, I can watch the others and enjoy them. Except when the Blackhawks or Red Wings win. I won't watch any of those. They are far too gross. :lol :lol
Losing 2019 actually makes it harder to watch the 2011 Cup highlights. It's weird.
I mean, I had just gotten over the 2013 Cup loss.
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Nah, you gotta enjoy the wins! I have watched most of the game highlights of most of the Blues wins in 2019 more times than I can count, but I refuse to watch any of the losses. The Game 3 San Jose game would only enrage me again. :censored :lol
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I mean you gotta enjoy those wins in the 2011 Stanley Cup finals. Just utter dominance by Boston on top of top-tier goaltending from Tim Thomas. I think that was one of the rarer occasions where non-Boston fans were rooting for them to win going against Vancouver.
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Not me.
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I sure was, but i fucking hate Vancouver. More than i hate Calgary or the Leafs. It was worse back then with Burrows, Kesler and Bieksa all running their mouths. I'm getting angry just remembering it.
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I actually liked Bieksa.
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I sure was, but i fucking hate Vancouver. More than i hate Calgary or the Leafs. It was worse back then with Burrows, Kesler and Bieksa all running their mouths. I'm getting angry just remembering it.
Bet you love the HNIC intermissions now! I quite enjoy Bieksa as an analyst.
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I'd take that guy on my team any day.
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I mean you gotta enjoy those wins in the 2011 Stanley Cup finals. Just utter dominance by Boston on top of top-tier goaltending from Tim Thomas. I think that was one of the rarer occasions where non-Boston fans were rooting for them to win going against Vancouver.
IIRC, by the time Bruins/Canucks got to the series decider, I just wanted a good Game 7, which we didn't get. Oh well.
And then those dopes in Vancouver tried burning their city to the ground.
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I mean you gotta enjoy those wins in the 2011 Stanley Cup finals. Just utter dominance by Boston on top of top-tier goaltending from Tim Thomas. I think that was one of the rarer occasions where non-Boston fans were rooting for them to win going against Vancouver.
IIRC, by the time Bruins/Canucks got to the series decider, I just wanted a good Game 7, which we didn't get. Oh well.
And then those dopes in Vancouver tried burning their city to the ground.
Yeah, that Game 7 was one of the most embarrassing efforts I can recall from this century.
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That Canucks team was highly skilled, but soft. I re-watched some of that game recently and it's amazing how many little battles they lost. It felt like the Bruins were outworking them and winning the great majority of the battles for loose pucks and whatnot. Meanwhile, they were always leading in SOG, which can be a flawed stat in the sense that one team outplaying another is not always reflected in that area.
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Interesting..
https://www.radio.com/weei/sports/bruins/report-bruins-to-play-outdoors-at-lake-tahoe-in-february
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Feels a little strange to be New Year's Day and have no hockey today, but it's coming soon enough, I suppose. :hat :hat
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Feels a little strange to be New Year's Day and have no hockey today, but it's coming soon enough, I suppose. :hat :hat
Blues were supposed to be playing the Wild in an outdoor Winter Classic.....I think it was today.
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Interesting..
https://www.radio.com/weei/sports/bruins/report-bruins-to-play-outdoors-at-lake-tahoe-in-february
They work so hard to limit travel durring covid and yet, two teams will fly out west to play a game. Makes no sense.
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Feels a little strange to be New Year's Day and have no hockey today, but it's coming soon enough, I suppose. :hat :hat
Blues were supposed to be playing the Wild in an outdoor Winter Classic.....I think it was today.
I can't remember that for sure, but I will take your word for it. I am so ready for some hockey.
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Interesting..
https://www.radio.com/weei/sports/bruins/report-bruins-to-play-outdoors-at-lake-tahoe-in-february
They work so hard to limit travel durring covid and yet, two teams will fly out west to play a game. Makes no sense.
I said this on another board, but I think this may be because NBC Sports may have something to do with it and think they want to push having an East coast (so-called bigger markets) pair to drive up tv interest.
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Surprised it wasn't New York/Washington honestly.
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Can we fast forward to October so the KRAKEN can start??? Looking forward to that!
FACE THE THING THAT SHOULD NOT BE!!!! :metal :metal :metal
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FACE THE THING THAT SHOULD NOT BE!!!! :metal :metal :metal
Hockey in Seattle?
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FACE THE THING THAT SHOULD NOT BE!!!! :metal :metal :metal
Hockey in Seattle?
Or Florida
Or Tampa
Or Arizona
All worthy candidates...
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^^ At least. one of those teams you mentioned have won a championship (now two of them) and have stable management and ownership. The others, my goodness, I don't know how long can those other two teams last for before moving them has to be the option.
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Yea but where would they move to? If Seattle's not a good place supposedly...
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Well, if Florida moves, people in Quebec City probably wants a team there again. They would boo the tar out of the Avs all day. If Arizona moves, from what I've been reading random stuff, apparently the next feasible location to try would be Houston? At this point, from what I've been reading in various forums, the only way teams moves to a new city is if there is an owner willing to light hundreds of millions of dollars on fire owning a NHL team and pay the relocation fee.
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Canada dominated the Russians last night. It was so weird watching the latter ... the only have one right-handed shot on the entire lineup! Wish I’d stayed up to watch the USA-Finland game. What a thrilling 3rd period that looked like. Should be a good gold medal game tonight.
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Canada dominated the Russians last night. It was so weird watching the latter ... the only have one right-handed shot on the entire lineup! Wish I’d stayed up to watch the USA-Finland game. What a thrilling 3rd period that looked like. Should be a good gold medal game tonight.
I haven't been paying any attention to this, and I usually do.
Gold Medal game tonight? I'll have to check it out.
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Not take away from the World Juniors talk and how exciting yesterday's game between USA and Finland was and how well Turcotte and Kaliyev (hot dang, it's great that both are Kings prospects) did in those games, and how exciting the Gold Medal game is between US and Canada (I always like a good US/Canada hockey clash in any form in international hockey), but I got to state this.
The NHL has decided to be sponsored by these following companies for branding purposes of the divisions. I hate it, but the league got to find some way to pump revenue with no fans in the stands.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq-mQbNUUAEwUQf?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/PR_NHL/status/1346478384243646466
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It's understandable for this year.
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It's understandable for this year.
Arena sponsors are also getting their logo's on the helmets. Some are unobtrusive; others are tacky.
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This was bound to happen eventually. I hope they keep advertising off jerseys, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if the NHL eventually takes that step.
As for the WJHC, i haven't watched a single minute, and I'm glad. The tournament has lost its shine for me. Too many lopsided games and shutouts. I would prefer they go to a 6 team format of some kind. That would be a far more competitive tournament, and the 5-6 teams could have to earn their spots in a qualifying tournament. That would give teams like the Swiss, Chzechs and Slovakians a chance at the 2 other spots (most years, anyway).
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This was bound to happen eventually. I hope they keep advertising off jerseys, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if the NHL eventually takes that step.
As for the WJHC, i haven't watched a single minute, and I'm glad. The tournament has lost its shine for me. Too many lopsided games and shutouts. I would prefer they go to a 6 team format of some kind. That would be a far more competitive tournament, and the 5-6 teams could have to earn their spots in a qualifying tournament. That would give teams like the Swiss, Chzechs and Slovakians a chance at the 2 other spots (most years, anyway).
I think something needs to be done... the difference between the Have's and Have Nots is considerable. After Can, USA, Russia, Fin, Swe, it's slim pickins. Germans seem to be improving though. I mean, the last 11 Gold Medals were split between USA, Can, and Fin (3 each); Russia and Sweden with 1 each (though Russia has a crap ton of Silvers - they just can't win the big game.
This is why I only watch the medal rounds. No need to watch a 16-2 blowout.
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(https://i.imgflip.com/4spfn6.jpg)
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Gritty win by the US squad.
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Gritty win by the US squad.
Yeah, that was a hard fought hockey game. Tough bounce on that 2nd goal, but the US defended the middle of the slot perfectly. Canada really didn't have too many high quality chances. Congrats to the US squad. They were the better team tonight.
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Damn, John Muckler passed away.
https://www.nhl.com/news/john-muckler-obituary/c-319990730
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Son of a bitch. RIP.
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Entertaining game last night, felt good to be watching hockey with a rooting interest again :lol I'm curious to see how the Devils' season unfolds. They'd have to have some young guys take a serious leap in order to compete in that Eastern division, but I really like them bringing Corey Crawford in to play alongside Blackwood this season. Goaltending (and specifically backup goaltending) has been a major weakness the past couple seasons, but we should have one of the better starting duos in the league this year. Hopefully that alleviates some pressure on the skaters and helps them grow a bit. I think another season though and we should be ready to hopefully get back to being playoff contenders.
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It's official!
(https://preview.redd.it/qf43kmlh9y961.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=4dd95fab6a2b98e2104ad71305641425a787fc3a)(https://bostonglobe-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/CoD993vPeGqqVwfx7XaK9J-7I4U=/1440x0/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/bostonglobe/QC6FUZBFMBHMJLURIQMYDCG5AE.jpg)
I'd have this man's baby!
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Shocker!
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It's official!
(https://preview.redd.it/qf43kmlh9y961.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=4dd95fab6a2b98e2104ad71305641425a787fc3a)(https://bostonglobe-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/CoD993vPeGqqVwfx7XaK9J-7I4U=/1440x0/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/bostonglobe/QC6FUZBFMBHMJLURIQMYDCG5AE.jpg)
I'd have this man's baby!
As it should be!
And yes, get me pregnant Bergy. ;D
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Here we go. :\
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/nhl-delays-start-stars-season-six-players-test-positive-covid-19/
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Here we go. :\
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/nhl-delays-start-stars-season-six-players-test-positive-covid-19/
Yep. Just the tip of the iceberg.
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but I really like them bringing Corey Crawford in to play alongside Blackwood this season. Goaltending (and specifically backup goaltending) has been a major weakness the past couple seasons, but we should have one of the better starting duos in the league this year.
Well, this aged well :lol :lol
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but I really like them bringing Corey Crawford in to play alongside Blackwood this season. Goaltending (and specifically backup goaltending) has been a major weakness the past couple seasons, but we should have one of the better starting duos in the league this year.
Well, this aged well :lol :lol
Great post
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but I really like them bringing Corey Crawford in to play alongside Blackwood this season. Goaltending (and specifically backup goaltending) has been a major weakness the past couple seasons, but we should have one of the better starting duos in the league this year.
Well, this aged well :lol :lol
At least you're self aware. 3 fucking days! :rollin :rollin
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Corey Crawford retires.
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Corey Crawford retires.
Yeah.... You're about 3 posts behind lol
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:facepalm:
I read Bill's post and thought he was talking about Corey Schneider.. :lol
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All right, in light of the people that either retired (Doc. Emrick) or got fired (Roenick and Milbury), NBC Sports has injected some fresh blood to their NHL Commentary/Analysis team. Surprisingly, they got Mike Babcock as a studio analyst.
https://nbcsportsgrouppressbox.com/2021/01/11/nbc-sports-announces-nhl-game-and-studio-commentators-for-2020-21-season/
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All right, in light of the people that either retired (Doc. Emrick) or got fired (Roenick and Milbury), NBC Sports has injected some fresh blood to their NHL Commentary/Analysis team. Surprisingly, they got Mike Babcock as a studio analyst.
https://nbcsportsgrouppressbox.com/2021/01/11/nbc-sports-announces-nhl-game-and-studio-commentators-for-2020-21-season/
You can have him. He's a good coach, but he doesn't quite have the voice or the charisma for being part of a broadcast crew... imo.
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Why can't they just fire Pierre McGuire? They got rid of Milbury which is a good step 1, but McGuire ruins telecasts. I can't stand him.
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All right, in light of the people that either retired (Doc. Emrick) or got fired (Roenick and Milbury), NBC Sports has injected some fresh blood to their NHL Commentary/Analysis team. Surprisingly, they got Mike Babcock as a studio analyst.
https://nbcsportsgrouppressbox.com/2021/01/11/nbc-sports-announces-nhl-game-and-studio-commentators-for-2020-21-season/
You can have him. He's a good coach, but he doesn't quite have the voice or the charisma for being part of a broadcast crew... imo.
Babcock can barely string together 2 coherent sentences without mumbling or sounding drunk. He likely got the job because NBC doesn't know what the fuck they're doing, and just recognized a famous hockey name. Not a big fan of Tim and Sid, but this is a well crafted tweet.
https://twitter.com/Sid_Seixeiro/status/1348661357734981636 (https://twitter.com/Sid_Seixeiro/status/1348661357734981636)
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No Doc Emrick is gonna be rough. He is on my Mount Rushmore of national sports announcers (leaving local ones out of the equation).
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All right, in light of the people that either retired (Doc. Emrick) or got fired (Roenick and Milbury), NBC Sports has injected some fresh blood to their NHL Commentary/Analysis team. Surprisingly, they got Mike Babcock as a studio analyst.
https://nbcsportsgrouppressbox.com/2021/01/11/nbc-sports-announces-nhl-game-and-studio-commentators-for-2020-21-season/
You can have him. He's a good coach, but he doesn't quite have the voice or the charisma for being part of a broadcast crew... imo.
Babcock can barely string together 2 coherent sentences without mumbling or sounding drunk. He likely got the job because NBC doesn't know what the fuck they're doing, and just recognized a famous hockey name. Not a big fan of Tim and Sid, but this is a well crafted tweet.
https://twitter.com/Sid_Seixeiro/status/1348661357734981636 (https://twitter.com/Sid_Seixeiro/status/1348661357734981636)
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No Doc Emrick is gonna be rough. He is on my Mount Rushmore of national sports announcers (leaving local ones out of the equation).
I fuckimg hated him. My family knew that. I mocked him doing replay in a Gumshoe voice that my sister in law hated
It was poetic.
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I just read that Evander Kane filed for bankruptcy lol. He's making $7M per season, has earned $53M in his career so far, but he's $90,000 short each month cause of debt.... And apparently $1.5M in gambling losses the last 2 months. 2 fucking months haha. I feel no sympathy for him whatsoever
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I was never much a fan of his, but wow. That's some terrible money management. Seems he's got a bit of an addiction problem.
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Just fucking hire Gary Thorne and Bill Clement and bring back the National Hockey Night crew....PLLEEEAAASE!!!
Also, no celebrity who earns that much money and still goes bankrupt deserves sympathy unless he/she were abused, conned, or otherwise robbed. That's ridiculous.
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Just fucking hire Gary Thorne and Bill Clement and bring back the National Hockey Night crew....PLLEEEAAASE!!!
I can totally get in board with this.
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I'm ready for some hockey. Though, it's gonna feel (and probably look) more like pre-season games for the next couple of weeks.
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Bring it on!!
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Super 16: Lightning edge Avalanche to open season No. 1 in power rankings (https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-team-power-rankings-to-open-2020-21-season/c-320173100)
1. Tampa Bay Lightning
2. Colorado Avalanche
3. Vegas Golden Knights
4. St. Louis Blues
5. Philadelphia Flyers
6. Washington Capitals
7. Dallas Stars
8. Boston Bruins
9. Toronto Maple Leafs
10. Carolina Hurricanes
11. Vancouver Canucks
12. New York Islanders
13. Pittsburgh Penguins
14. Edmonton Oilers
15. Montreal Canadiens
16. Columbus Blue Jackets
No time to read it now, but I'm really surprised at a lot of things:
- how high Vegas and Washington are
- how low Carolina is
- that Montreal and CBJ made it
- that the Rangers didn't make it
I'm not surprised that TB and Colorado are 1-2.
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Super 16: Lightning edge Avalanche to open season No. 1 in power rankings (https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-team-power-rankings-to-open-2020-21-season/c-320173100)
1. Tampa Bay Lightning
2. Colorado Avalanche
3. Vegas Golden Knights
4. St. Louis Blues
5. Philadelphia Flyers
6. Washington Capitals
7. Dallas Stars
8. Boston Bruins
9. Toronto Maple Leafs
10. Carolina Hurricanes
11. Vancouver Canucks
12. New York Islanders
13. Pittsburgh Penguins
14. Edmonton Oilers
15. Montreal Canadiens
16. Columbus Blue Jackets
No time to read it now, but I'm really surprised at a lot of things:
- how high Vegas and Washington are
- how low Carolina is
- that Montreal and CBJ made it
- that the Rangers didn't make it
I'm not surprised that TB and Colorado are 1-2.
Especially Colorado. I get it.....they've got talent out the wahzoo....but, even last year pre-covid heading into the Playoffs they were in trouble. Covid saved them and Dallas from embarrassing first round losses in the playoffs. It's one of those deals where somewhere Colorado has been anointed and they're the new 'it' team. They have an utter super star in McKinnon which it's understandable....but you have to produce when it counts and they haven't.
Vegas will be interesting to watch because there were a ton of stories before, during and after Petro was signed that the players were ticked that they were shuffling and changing things around to land Petro. They'll all say the right things but it'll be interesting to see how they play together. Petro is not a very animated leader or a person who is loud in the locker room. He's very soft spoken. The knock on him in StL in the locker room was that he was just 'boring' He never went out with the guys.....he's a big family man and if he wasn't playing hockey he was at home. Vegas is another team with a ton of pressure to produce....lets see if they can live up to the hype.
I personally love the lack of 'respect' or whatever it is that StL gets and is getting in all the pre season stuff. I get it. Petro's gone and we brought in new guys but IMO StL got better...not worse...by passing on Petro and picking up Krug, Clifford and Hoffman. It's a new look team that's going to have some spunk and attitude. Binnington will be fine.....remember....he won 30 games last season and was playing extremely well heading into the playoffs. The covid tournament was just that....a tournament that you can't put a whole heck of a lot of stock into as far as judging where players are at. It's go time now so we shall see how this all unfolds.
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I'm not expecting much out of the Kings. Plenty of young guys that needs some more games at the big levels like Gabe Vilardi and the likes. They made some low-risk, and could bring high upside moves that won't hurt this team much if it goes terribly. It's like there are three teams that easily makes the playoffs in the West and 5 teams that are nicely craptastic where one of them got to get in. It could be the Kings, but that's not highly. That 4th spot probably goes to the Wilds (because they are always on the bubble kind of team that gets turfed in the first round anyway) or the Sharks (if they bounce back. The Evander Kane going bankrupt situation is looking pretty ugly though).
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Especially Colorado. I get it.....they've got talent out the wahzoo....but, even last year pre-covid heading into the Playoffs they were in trouble. Covid saved them and Dallas from embarrassing first round losses in the playoffs. It's one of those deals where somewhere Colorado has been anointed and they're the new 'it' team. They have an utter super star in McKinnon which it's understandable....but you have to produce when it counts and they haven't.
Vegas will be interesting to watch because there were a ton of stories before, during and after Petro was signed that the players were ticked that they were shuffling and changing things around to land Petro. They'll all say the right things but it'll be interesting to see how they play together. Petro is not a very animated leader or a person who is loud in the locker room. He's very soft spoken. The knock on him in StL in the locker room was that he was just 'boring' He never went out with the guys.....he's a big family man and if he wasn't playing hockey he was at home. Vegas is another team with a ton of pressure to produce....lets see if they can live up to the hype.
I personally love the lack of 'respect' or whatever it is that StL gets and is getting in all the pre season stuff. I get it. Petro's gone and we brought in new guys but IMO StL got better...not worse...by passing on Petro and picking up Krug, Clifford and Hoffman. It's a new look team that's going to have some spunk and attitude. Binnington will be fine.....remember....he won 30 games last season and was playing extremely well heading into the playoffs. The covid tournament was just that....a tournament that you can't put a whole heck of a lot of stock into as far as judging where players are at. It's go time now so we shall see how this all unfolds.
I get what you are saying, but I guess the Cup win took a lot of that chip off my shoulder about lack of respect. Besides, we are still ranked pretty high and are one of the Vegas favorites, so I am not going to quibble about a few teams being ahead of us. ;)
I agree about Petro. It felt like O'Reilly was ready to take over anyway, so I think their leadership will be just fine going forward. Binnington I worry about simply because he is a goalie, and goalies by their very nature are fragile. They can go from being a stud to being a clown who can't stop a beach ball in the blink of an eye. I have no clue when Tarasenko will be back, or if he ever will, but I am anxious to see how the team does this year. They were a juggernaut again last season before the shutdown, so we'll see if some of these personnel changes make them fall back to the pack.
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I personally love the lack of 'respect' or whatever it is that StL gets and is getting in all the pre season stuff.
NHL.com has them #4
ESPN has them #4
Bleacher Report has them #6
Is that really disrespectful?
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I personally love the lack of 'respect' or whatever it is that StL gets and is getting in all the pre season stuff.
NHL.com has them #4
ESPN has them #4
Bleacher Report has them #6
Is that really disrespectful?
Respect probably isn’t the word. Thats why I said ‘or whatever’. They’re just easily dismissed it seems. Listen, you have to play the games. They may get toasted this year......who knows. I’m more annoyed by the anointing other teams like Colorado get while they’ve really done nothing the past few seasons. Exciting players and all but haven’t broken through yet.
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Do you predict the Blues to have a better season than the Avs?
I would say the Bruins are getting too much love.
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Especially Colorado. I get it.....they've got talent out the wahzoo....but, even last year pre-covid heading into the Playoffs they were in trouble. Covid saved them and Dallas from embarrassing first round losses in the playoffs. It's one of those deals where somewhere Colorado has been anointed and they're the new 'it' team. They have an utter super star in McKinnon which it's understandable....but you have to produce when it counts and they haven't.
Vegas will be interesting to watch because there were a ton of stories before, during and after Petro was signed that the players were ticked that they were shuffling and changing things around to land Petro. They'll all say the right things but it'll be interesting to see how they play together. Petro is not a very animated leader or a person who is loud in the locker room. He's very soft spoken. The knock on him in StL in the locker room was that he was just 'boring' He never went out with the guys.....he's a big family man and if he wasn't playing hockey he was at home. Vegas is another team with a ton of pressure to produce....lets see if they can live up to the hype.
I personally love the lack of 'respect' or whatever it is that StL gets and is getting in all the pre season stuff. I get it. Petro's gone and we brought in new guys but IMO StL got better...not worse...by passing on Petro and picking up Krug, Clifford and Hoffman. It's a new look team that's going to have some spunk and attitude. Binnington will be fine.....remember....he won 30 games last season and was playing extremely well heading into the playoffs. The covid tournament was just that....a tournament that you can't put a whole heck of a lot of stock into as far as judging where players are at. It's go time now so we shall see how this all unfolds.
I get what you are saying, but I guess the Cup win took a lot of that chip off my shoulder about lack of respect. Besides, we are still ranked pretty high and are one of the Vegas favorites, so I am not going to quibble about a few teams being ahead of us. ;)
I agree about Petro. It felt like O'Reilly was ready to take over anyway, so I think their leadership will be just fine going forward. Binnington I worry about simply because he is a goalie, and goalies by their very nature are fragile. They can go from being a stud to being a clown who can't stop a beach ball in the blink of an eye. I have no clue when Tarasenko will be back, or if he ever will, but I am anxious to see how the team does this year. They were a juggernaut again last season before the shutdown, so we'll see if some of these personnel changes make them fall back to the pack.
Don’t forget that Husso was always going to be Allen’s successor in net. If he wouldn’t have been hurt Binnington doesn’t get that call up.....it’d have been him. Husso is a huge, athletic goalie who has always performed well. He’s put in his time and is probably more talented than Binnington when you get down to it. So, if Binnington fumbles at all I think it’ll be alright. But Binnington won 30 games last season and was sharper than ever heading into the playoffs. I don’t really put much stock in any players bubble performance......good or bad. It was a unique....odd situation that generally sucked all around.
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Do you predict the Blues to have a better season than the Avs?
I would say the Bruins are getting too much love.
Yes. I think the Blues will win this division.
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Do you predict the Blues to have a better season than the Avs?
I would say the Bruins are getting too much love.
Yes. I think the Blues will win this division.
Alrighty then. Game 1 tonight! :metal
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Gritty OTW for the Leafs last night. Lots of sloppy play. It was really weird to watch the amount of intensity (at times) for what would normally have been a pre-season kind of game. Lots of sloppy play too, and the conditioning of the players was clearly not what it would normally be. Habs were definitely the better team for the first half minutes, but the Leafs clawed their way back. Anderson looked kinda ordinary, but made a couple of big saves in OT.
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Don’t forget that Husso was always going to be Allen’s successor in net. If he wouldn’t have been hurt Binnington doesn’t get that call up.....it’d have been him. Husso is a huge, athletic goalie who has always performed well. He’s put in his time and is probably more talented than Binnington when you get down to it. So, if Binnington fumbles at all I think it’ll be alright. But Binnington won 30 games last season and was sharper than ever heading into the playoffs. I don’t really put much stock in any players bubble performance......good or bad. It was a unique....odd situation that generally sucked all around.
Very true. :tup :tup
And wait, the Blues won last night? How could they possibly defeat the juggernaut otherwise known as the Avalanche?? :P
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Took all of 2 games for McDavid to get his first hat trick of the season. Ridiculous
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Poor Thatcher Demko... gets thrown to the Oilers who just got the 'Torts' treatment from their coach (albeit a little toned down).
I hadn't really thought about it until the Leafs/Habs broadcast crew mentioned it, but given the format of the league this year, EVERY game matters. EVERY game is a 4-point swing against an opponent that will fighting for the same playoff spot you're fighting for. No one is really out of contention until the very end. A 4-5 game streak (winning or losing) will make a huge impact - at anypoint in the season. And anyone who goes on an 8-10 game streak (again, win or lose) is gonna be in great/shit shape because of it.
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I hadn't really thought about it until the Leafs/Habs broadcast crew mentioned it, but given the format of the league this year, EVERY game matters. EVERY game is a 4-point swing against an opponent that will fighting for the same playoff spot you're fighting for. No one is really out of contention until the very end. A 4-5 game streak (winning or losing) will make a huge impact - at anypoint in the season. And anyone who goes on an 8-10 game streak (again, win or lose) is gonna be in great/shit shape because of it.
I was talking to some buddies about this. It’s going to make for an exciting season. Basically playoff style hockey every game.....even the bottom tier teams know they can steal a playoff spot by cranking it up a notch.
If you lose 5-6 in a row I think your toast. Consistency is going to be the key.
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Similar to the 48 game season. Chicago went something like 24-1 to start and had the division clinched by the halfway point.
The division-only games are going to make it crazier though, no doubt. And I don't think a 5 game losing streak will tank anyone unless it happens late in the season (or is followed up with another losing streak soon after).
Anyone know what the plan is for playoffs? I can't imagine the border is open by May, so what do they do about the cross overs and the semi's?
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Similar to the 48 game season. Chicago went something like 24-1 to start and had the division clinched by the halfway point.
The division-only games are going to make it crazier though, no doubt. And I don't think a 5 game losing streak will tank anyone unless it happens late in the season (or is followed up with another losing streak soon after).
Anyone know what the plan is for playoffs? I can't imagine the border is open by May, so what do they do about the cross overs and the semi's?
Well, I mean. At least, Canada is ok for the first two rounds since the final 4 is structured where 1 Canadian team will make the final 4 since it will be those that made it out of their division playoffs. I imagine when they go down to 4, they probably will have another bubble that would lasts roughly 2-3 weeks, since the previous bubble worked so well.
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Kaprizov may be a budding star for The Wild.
How much that helps them win? remains to be seen.
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If you lose 5-6 in a row I think your toast. Consistency is going to be the key.
One good/bad streak won't make or break anyone. A 2nd good/bad streak will. Remember, Buffalo went 8-1-1 to start the season last year, but then had two 6-game winless streaks (and iirc, multiple big streaks in 2018/19).
As for the final-4, that's gonna be tricky. One bubble might be ideal (playing the semis on off-setting nights), but I think the league is hoping the situation as a whole with the pandemic would not have tight restrictions on travel, cros--country or not... and maybe even allow for fans-in-stands. The semis aren't until what, June timeframe??? so between all the vaccinations (hopefully) across both countries by then, one would think (hope) the situation is a better as a whole.
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They should just make the bubble here in St Louis since the Blues are gonna win the President's trophy and should then get home ice advantage throughout. All of the other teams can just deal with it.
:P :P :biggrin: :biggrin:
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If you lose 5-6 in a row I think your toast. Consistency is going to be the key.
One good/bad streak won't make or break anyone. A 2nd good/bad streak will.
I can see that. I'm just thinking about Winning the division and not necessarily only making the playoffs. This year more than the past few with the way it's structured there's actual incentive and benefit to coming in first.
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If you lose 5-6 in a row I think your toast. Consistency is going to be the key.
One good/bad streak won't make or break anyone. A 2nd good/bad streak will.
I can see that. I'm just thinking about Winning the division and not necessarily only making the playoffs. This year more than the past few with the way it's structured there's actual incentive and benefit to coming in first.
If it's a foregone conclusion that the Avs, Knights, and Blues are the top 3 in the West, then hot damn... #1 seed is gonna be very important. 2 of those teams are most likely going to play each other in round 1. That's brutal.
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Predictions time!
East
Philly
Bruins
Isles
Caps
Central
Bolts
Canes
Stars
Blue Jackets
West
Blues
Avs
Knights
Wild
North
Leafs
Flames
Canadiens
Canucks
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That looks pretty reasonable.
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I think I'm least confident in the North predictions. I think outside of Ottawa, the other 6 could all finish within 10 points of each other. This is gonna be a fun division to watch.
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So you have the Oilers out. Interesting.
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Oilers will make it, i think. Koskinen is solid enough in net, and they have the top 2 offensive players in the league. They'll loose in 5 games in the first round
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Oilers will make it, i think. Koskinen is solid enough in net, and they have the top 2 offensive players in the league. They'll loose in 5 games in the first round
I ain't gonna argue at all, and frankly, the Leafs have just as good a chance of NOT making the playoffs as they do winning it (especially if they keep playing like a preseason team). Same can be said for frankly, all 6 teams. I don't think a lot separates them. And Ottawa is going to prove not to be a pushover at all. They've got a lot of good young talent.
I'll freely admit my prediction of the Leafs winning it is a bit of a homer decision. I think they finally have some depth at defense, and some grit up front. Anderson usually has a slow October start. How they bounce back after that piece of shit performance last night will be revealing.
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Just perusing last night's scores.... Guess the Avs were pissed at that loss. :omg: Binnington looked great in the 1st, then the defense seemed to fall apart.
Protip... do not take penalties against the Avs. Man that PP looks lethal.
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They should just make the bubble here in St Louis since the Blues are gonna win the President's trophy and should then get home ice advantage throughout. All of the other teams can just deal with it.
:P :P :biggrin: :biggrin:
The Blues made a mockery out of my post from yesterday. :lol :lol
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They should just make the bubble here in St Louis since the Blues are gonna win the President's trophy and should then get home ice advantage throughout. All of the other teams can just deal with it.
:P :P :biggrin: :biggrin:
The Blues made a mockery out of my post from yesterday. :lol :lol
Maybe the Avs stumbled upon your post and printed it off for bulletin board material in their locker room. Got them really fired up
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I'll freely admit my prediction of the Leafs winning it is a bit of a homer decision. I think they finally have some depth at defense, and some grit up front. Anderson usually has a slow October start. How they bounce back after that piece of shit performance last night will be revealing.
I don't think it's much of a homer pick to have the Leafs winning the North. They've been the top Canadian team for a few years now, and i think they easily win it unless Edmonton or Calgary really gets rolling. Jets, Habs, and Sens are all but done, if you ask me. Maybe not pushovers, but i don't think any of those teams have the horses to get it done
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They should just make the bubble here in St Louis since the Blues are gonna win the President's trophy and should then get home ice advantage throughout. All of the other teams can just deal with it.
:P :P :biggrin: :biggrin:
The Blues made a mockery out of my post from yesterday. :lol :lol
Maybe the Avs stumbled upon your post and printed it off for bulletin board material in their locker room. Got them really fired up
Dude.....it was a good old fashioned ass kicking!!! Tale of two games. Blues forecheck, goaltending and defense were on display first game.....second game they were on vacation. Although Binnington really had no chance and he's the only reason it was 0-0 and not 5-0 after the first period.
Oh well.....I think there will be a lot of splits like that this season between top teams. It's the lower tier teams that you need to beat both times if you're expecting to win the division or secure a top 4 spot.
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Don’t underestimate the Habs. They don’t have any A-list names, but man alive, they are solid and deep. Suzuki looks like the real deal. And Josh Anderson is gonna have a great bounce back year. Price/Allen may be the best tandem in the North.
Regarding the Jets, Hellebucyk can be the kinda goalie that can steal a few games here and there ... and in a shortened season where every game is against your playoff competition, a few games could easily be the difference in making the playoffs. I also think Laine is gonna be a beast this year - potentially for trade bait, but more importantly for a new contract.
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Is New Jersey better than expected, or is Boston (like others) just still having to get out of preseason mode?
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Missing Pasta. The one true sniper.
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Price/Allen may be the best tandem in the North.
Blue's fans (not me) whined and complained for years about Jake Allen. But the fact remains that the dude is incredibly talented and athletic. He's just not a 'starter' He's the perfect 1B/tandem goalie. He works well with his counterpart and is extremely focused.....and a heck of a person as well. He was/is loved by the guys he plays with.
The Blues new back up is 'suppose' to be the real deal. Husso. He's been nurtured and slow walked into the NHL and has had plenty of experience in the minors. But there's something to be said about having a back up that could easily be the starter, that has the experience of stealing a playoff series like Allen does (vs the Wild) and that is an ultimate teammate/locker room guy. I think the Blues will miss having Allen on their roster far more than Petrangelo honestly.
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They should just make the bubble here in St Louis since the Blues are gonna win the President's trophy and should then get home ice advantage throughout. All of the other teams can just deal with it.
:P :P :biggrin: :biggrin:
The Blues made a mockery out of my post from yesterday. :lol :lol
Maybe the Avs stumbled upon your post and printed it off for bulletin board material in their locker room. Got them really fired up
Dude.....it was a good old fashioned ass kicking!!! Tale of two games. Blues forecheck, goaltending and defense were on display first game.....second game they were on vacation. Although Binnington really had no chance and he's the only reason it was 0-0 and not 5-0 after the first period.
Oh well.....I think there will be a lot of splits like that this season between top teams. It's the lower tier teams that you need to beat both times if you're expecting to win the division or secure a top 4 spot.
Agreed. That game last night blew, but it was only one game in the standings, so we move on. Like you said, gotta take care of business in the back to backs against the weaker opponents.
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Oilers are putting up a sad, sad effort tonight...
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Pleasantly surprised for the Devils to get three points in two games against Boston, especially considering we're missing two top-six forwards. The first period Thursday night was ugly, but their compete level after that has been very good and they were a bounce or two away from winning in OT the first game as well. Still a long shot to end up making the playoffs in this division, but if Hughes and some of the other young players take a step forward and Mackenzie Blackwood proves he's the real deal in net then we could be well-positioned to start making some noise next season.
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ARGHHHHHHHHH. This is pain. Kings had a 3-1 lead over the Wilds twice starting the 3rd and the Wilds came back on both games. Even worst, the Wilds tied it with 1.4 seconds to go, just now??? OJFoasjfosjifoewofpjewofo.
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ARGHHHHHHHHH. This is pain. Kings had a 3-1 lead over the Wilds twice starting the 3rd and the Wilds came back on both games. Even worst, the Wilds tied it with 1.4 seconds to go, just now??? OJFoasjfosjifoewofpjewofo.
I was just going to post something similar. That was AWFUL! And only about 30 seconds after Matt Roy hit the post on a long attempt at the empty net....
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Well. I'm sad now. Bring on more pain when they face the Avs. If this team couldn't get the job done against the Wilds, holding 3-1 leads in the 3rd and blew it on OT, I don't know what to say. This season will be pain.
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Well. I'm sad now. Bring on more pain against the Avs.
That was fucking BAD.... Walker standing around picking his ass while the guy behind him scores the GWG.
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Um... Go Wild!
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Oilers are putting up a sad, sad effort tonight...
See my prior post(s). I don't think Koskinen is gonna be good enough for you guys. And with Smith on LTIR now, the Oil goaltending situation is (imo) easily the worst in the division. Habs have a very good top-4 D in Weber, Petry, Edmunson, and Chiarot. And Romanov is supposed to be ready for prime time. Honestly, they are the one team in the North I'm actually quite certain will make the playoffs for sure. Man does it pain me to say that.
Oh, and Claude Julien is a helluva coach. Probably the best in the Division.
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Having watched the highlight packages this morning ....
A good goalie on a crap team can still steal the game. Murray and Gibson nearly both stole their games against what are supposed to be much better teams. The Leafs dominated the Sens, but the latter just hung around, and gave themselves a chance to get to OT. Ducks blew with with an over-zealous opening faceoff in OT leading to that quick 2-on-1 goal.
Rangers - that's the team I expected. They got a lot of talent. Isles on the other hand looked sloppy.
Wild comeback. That stings for the Kings.
This is gonna be a wild season for sure. When you only have to scout and prepare for 7 other teams (6 in the north), there are going to be a lot of tightly contested games.
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Oh, and Claude Julien is a helluva coach.
He really is. Winningest coach in Bruins history. Think about that..
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Does anyone know how the officials' schedule is being determined. Obviously no one is going in and out of Canada, but do the other divisions have their own set of on ice officials too...I would assume so.
I would think they'd try and limit their travel as much as possible.
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Does anyone know how the officials' schedule is being determined. Obviously no one is going in and out of Canada, but do the other divisions have their own set of on ice officials too...I would assume so.
I would think they'd try and limit their travel as much as possible.
That's a good point. I never thought of that.
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Watching On The Fly tonight. Bruce Boudreau looks a bit uncomfortable in this role. Maybe he'll warm up to it.
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Didn't the Leafs put Spezza on waivers? And yet I just saw him in tonight's highlights (missing an empty net)?
I confuse.
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Didn't the Leafs put Spezza on waivers? And yet I just saw him in tonight's highlights (missing an empty net)?
I confuse.
I believe if you put a player through waivers, and he clears, that means you CAN assign him to the minors, but doesn't mean you MUST assign him to the minors. I also think there is a period (30 days?) in which you could send him down without having to go through waivers again.
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Didn't the Leafs put Spezza on waivers? And yet I just saw him in tonight's highlights (missing an empty net)?
I confuse.
To put players on the Taxi Squad, they have to go thru waivers. Nick's right, they can then be added/removed from the main roster for 30 days without having to clear waivers. It was necessary in order to shuffle some people around as a result of Nick Robertson's injury.
That was an entirely un-entertaining game between the Oil and Leafs last night. I'd hate to have to be the NHL.com guy who had to find 8 minutes of highlights in order to put together the Condensed Game package.
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OK, yes that makes sense.
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This game is too weird for me, sometimes. Kings blew two 3-1 leads against the Wild, but managed to come back from 0-2 deficit against the Avs to win it? I'll take these kinds of wins how they get them. I just don't want to see this team think they are a team that's going to get run over for the entire season. Make the top 3 West teams squirm a bit if the Kings are not a playoff contender.
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This game is too weird for me, sometimes. Kings blew two 3-1 leads against the Wild, but managed to come back from 0-2 deficit against the Avs to win it? I'll take these kinds of wins how they get them. I just don't want to see this team think they are a team that's going to get run over for the entire season. Make the top 3 West teams squirm a bit if the Kings are not a playoff contender.
I kinda think that's who the Kings are going to be this season. I'd say they did make Minnesota squirm (although they're not one of the top-3), and getting 4 points out of these first two games against Minnesota and two against Colorado is about as good as anyone could have hoped for. Other than the five guys leftover from the two Cup runs, this is a ridiculously young team. There's a lot of potential, but it's not going to happen this year, and I hope the five veterans can remain heavily invested in the development of the young guys (and that McClellan can stick around and provide consistency for them).
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Now THAT was an entertaining game - and I don't just say that because the Leafs came out on top. Lots of action (Oilers had 3 odd-man rushes in the first 4 minutes), great plays, excellent goaltending, plenty of shot attempts and SOGs from both sides. The outcome could've gone either way.
Calgary next should be entertaining.
Other tidbits
Rumours on Dubois are Wild, Montreal, or Winnipeg.
What the hell were those Capitals Russians thinking!?!?!
Is Dallas that good, or was Nashville that bad. Sheesh... 5 ppg, and a shortie!
Duck and Coyotes with clear victories ... I'm tellin y'all, these "shit" teams are not going to be an easy out for anyone. Vegas looked pretty sloppy defensively.
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It’s official ... Jets trading Laine, Roslovic to Blue Jackets for Dubois
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-trading-laine-roslovic-blue-jackets-dubois-blockbuster/?template=basic
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It’s official ... Jets trading Laine, Roslovic to Blue Jackets for Dubois
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-trading-laine-roslovic-blue-jackets-dubois-blockbuster/?template=basic
Wow.
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Well, it seems like the natural course of action. One guy in the Jets is disgruntled about his status on the team and wants out. Another guy in the Blue Jackets is also not on the greatest of terms on the team and also wants out. What do you do? You do a trade with each other and fulfill the goal to move both of them out. I would think in terms of value when it comes to cap hit, that Columbus would give more. We'll see if it pans for both of them. I don't know if Laine wants to stick around in Columbus for long.
Edit: Oh wait, Winnipeg retains salary? I think this may be a case where Columbus could win in a trade for once?
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I'm a little unclear why the Jets would retain 25% of Laine's salary AND give up Roslovic. So under the premise that Laine-for-Dubois is a wash, the Jets give up an additional player (granted, one that is unsigned, they don't have room to sign, and doesn't want to be there), and lose cap space for this year, in exchange for a 3rd round pick.
I'm not sure that Dubois is that much better than Laine. Plus, Dubois won't be able to play for 2 weeks. I think the Jets come out a little behind on this deal.
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Pretty sure Jets lose this trade, no question. Laine > Dubois , plus they throw in Rostival and Jets retain salary? I haven't read the article, but unless CBJ is sending more assets, then Jets got fleeced
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Pretty sure Jets lose this trade, no question. Laine > Dubois , plus they throw in Rostival and Jets retain salary? I haven't read the article, but unless CBJ is sending more assets, then Jets got fleeced
I dunno about "fleeced". Obviously time will tell, but they get one more year of Dubois at $5M. If Laine performs, he's gonna command $8M-ish with term. I also think Dubois is more of a complete player than Laine. Offensively, Laine can should be better, but as a 2-way player, Dubois should have the edge.
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It's getting really old watching the Oil blow leads like tonight's 3-1 lead. And there's no backup now that Smith is on IR. At least not a backup you'd want playing in an NHL game.
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He had a rough first season as a Blue, but I suspect Justin Faulk won over a lot of fans tonight. Mark Stone of the Golden Knights committed a dirty penalty on Bozak, and he was barely out of the box after serving his 2 minutes before Faulk was dropping his gloves and fighting him. :metal :metal
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Kings finally got a win over Wild and didn't blow a 3-1 lead. Thankfully, they didn't have a 3-1 lead to blow anyway, but whatever. This team is progressing nicely. There are still some leaks in their overall game, but these kinds of games where they are not going to let the other team run over them is games I want to see more of, win or lose.
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He had a rough first season as a Blue, but I suspect Justin Faulk won over a lot of fans tonight. Mark Stone of the Golden Knights committed a dirty penalty on Bozak, and he was barely out of the box after serving his 2 minutes before Faulk was dropping his gloves and fighting him. :metal :metal
Yep. He’s coming into his own on this team. Best player in the bubble last year and he’s been great so far this season. You can see a change in his demeanor and confidence.
Was glad to see Berube finally go off on the officiating. That penalty they called on Scandella to give the Knights a 5 on 3 and essentially the game tying goal was horrid. Been like that all season.....not just against the Blues but across the league. Piss poor officiating.
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The Leafs-Flames game last night was quite entertaining. Thank god the Flames didn't start the game until the 2nd period. Seriously, they looked like a scrimmage squad in the first. But they pumelled the Leafs in the 2nd - Anderson made some really great saves, and was rock solid. Luckily, the Leafs had an answer for every time Calgary did slip one past Freddie. That game coulda gone either way.
@Schecter... Sucks that they are stuck in a bad situation with the goaltending. Leafs are in a bit of a bind now too with Campbell (who's terrific as a b/u goalie) injured for a couple of weeks. I'll bet they wish they hadn't tried to put Dell on the Taxi Squad, cuz now the team is right back to the beginning of last season with Hutchinson as the backup - who can't stop a beachball.
Torts is somethin else. Lambastes his team for being completely out-played from the drop of the puck. Fuck pal... your team was 2 seconds from the win, if not for a lucky bunt by Hornqvist to tie it, and then seal it in a SO. No wonder Dubois wanted out. That guy may be a great coach, but he's a piece of shit leader.
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That guy may be a great coach, but he's a piece of shit leader.
ehh...I don't know if I'd use 'great'. He's 'good'.....but IMO he's all antics and soundbites. He's a personality that uses unorthodox methods to try and get the most out of his players. If he gets the right mix of players that buy in to his side show then it seems to work for a bit. But, it's not a sustainable way to coach. I'm entertained as all heck by the guy but I'm not sure I'd classify him as a 'great' coach.
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That guy may be a great coach, but he's a piece of shit leader.
ehh...I don't know if I'd use 'great'. He's 'good'.....but IMO he's all antics and soundbites. He's a personality that uses unorthodox methods to try and get the most out of his players. If he gets the right mix of players that buy in to his side show then it seems to work for a bit. But, it's not a sustainable way to coach. I'm entertained as all heck by the guy but I'm not sure I'd classify him as a 'great' coach.
Totally fair, and more accurate. I'm just thinking about last year - to get what he got from that group of players was pretty remarkable.
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That guy may be a great coach, but he's a piece of shit leader.
ehh...I don't know if I'd use 'great'. He's 'good'.....but IMO he's all antics and soundbites. He's a personality that uses unorthodox methods to try and get the most out of his players. If he gets the right mix of players that buy in to his side show then it seems to work for a bit. But, it's not a sustainable way to coach. I'm entertained as all heck by the guy but I'm not sure I'd classify him as a 'great' coach.
Totally fair, and more accurate. I'm just thinking about last year - to get what he got from that group of players was pretty remarkable.
100% agree on that. I think that was the 'right time...right place' cocktail. His approach to coaching worked for that blend of players at that time. Which is true for a lot of teams. It's funny how fickle a coaches message and style can be. Some coaches can keep their teams 'bought in' for several seasons/years. Others have a short shelf life.
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Kings finally got a win over Wild and didn't blow a 3-1 lead. Thankfully, they didn't have a 3-1 lead to blow anyway, but whatever. This team is progressing nicely. There are still some leaks in their overall game, but these kinds of games where they are not going to let the other team run over them is games I want to see more of, win or lose.
We'll see how they do tomorrow, but that kind of performance in a tight game was a big deal -- especially with the supposed goalie of the future in net. Once Minnesota got the tying goal, I fully expected the Kings to fall apart, but the nutted up and got the second goal and held the lead against a very aggressive Wild.
Now I just need to learn who most of these kids are.
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He had a rough first season as a Blue, but I suspect Justin Faulk won over a lot of fans tonight. Mark Stone of the Golden Knights committed a dirty penalty on Bozak, and he was barely out of the box after serving his 2 minutes before Faulk was dropping his gloves and fighting him. :metal :metal
Yep. He’s coming into his own on this team. Best player in the bubble last year and he’s been great so far this season. You can see a change in his demeanor and confidence.
Was glad to see Berube finally go off on the officiating. That penalty they called on Scandella to give the Knights a 5 on 3 and essentially the game tying goal was horrid. Been like that all season.....not just against the Blues but across the league. Piss poor officiating.
Yeah, that was bad last night. It was like the refs came in pissed off and wanted to call anything and everything on both teams. It wasn't even lopsided. Both teams got called for penalties that weren't.
It is definitely great to see Faulk doing well, and Kyrou is impressing me more and more every time I see him, but they need to tighten up on defense. I know Vegas is loaded, but there is no excuse to get outshot that badly.
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I was waiting anxiously for Alexis Lafrenière's first goal, and boy was it an awesome one. The first overall pick getting his first goal as an overtime winner...I mean you can't write it any better. The Rangers have tough road to the playoffs in an absolutely stacked East division, but for now I'll enjoy this victory and Lafrenière's official arrival.
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Another entertaining Leafs game last night, with a positive outcome. But holy shit were there some pussy penalty calls - against both teams - each had 1 ppg from an absolutely terrible call, so I guess it's even-steven in that regard. Pretty bad officiating though. It's nice to see the Leafs grinding out these 1-goal victories.
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I'm actually surprised Leafs-Oilers was as close as it was. Koskinen looks exhausted 9 games in. Something needs to change with the tenders in Edmonton, or it will be a very long shortened season.
I am excited to see the oilers retro jerseys saturday, even if it's in what i imagine will be another loss.
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Here come the thorn in the B's side. The Capitals have always been a struggle for the B's. Though the B's are hot right now and it sounds like Pasta is back for the game.
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I'm actually surprised Leafs-Oilers was as close as it was. Koskinen looks exhausted 9 games in. Something needs to change with the tenders in Edmonton, or it will be a very long shortened season.
Seems like there's always a softie or two that slip by him. He did make some very good saves and wasn't terrible - except on that first goal by Spezza. Can't fault him for the other 3. Isn't Smith due back in the next week or so?
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I'm actually surprised Leafs-Oilers was as close as it was. Koskinen looks exhausted 9 games in. Something needs to change with the tenders in Edmonton, or it will be a very long shortened season.
Seems like there's always a softie or two that slip by him. He did make some very good saves and wasn't terrible - except on that first goal by Spezza. Can't fault him for the other 3. Isn't Smith due back in the next week or so?
Yeah, I think Smith is back next week. He's not exactly great though lol. Through the first 20-30 games last season he had like a 2-9 record backing up Koskinen (although I suppose he was probably considered the starter in Tippet's mind given he started opening night).
Oilers have had trouble with soft goals for years. Talbot was good for at least one muffin each game, and Koskinen seems to be no different. In the Leafs-Oilers game last week, Matthews scored from behind the goal line. I get it that he's an elite shooter, but Koskinen is a 6'9" goalie or something ridiculous. You should be able to cover the corner when you're that big.
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I get that those kinds of situations, no goalie can form a perfect seal in the corner with their shoulder/neck. Sneaking one in there from along the goal line is a 1-in-a-hundred kind of proposition, and 99% luck. The kind like Koskinen let in last week was just sloppy on his part to not keep his arm tight against his torso. Those are not lucky or skill related. It's just sloppy technique on the goalie's part.
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Well Andersen just saved Muzzin a whole bunch of grief on the highlight reel tonight. Falling down and giving the opposition a 3-1 with 15s left in the 3rd of a tied game is a recipe for ridicule on the internet
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Ovi with a laser to beat the B's in OT.
Loved the fight of the B's coming back from a 3-0 deficit.
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Ovi with a laser to beat the B's in OT.
That was a fucking rocket.
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Sniper. Can't give him space.
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Blues score three goals in the first 2:06 tonight. 5th fastest ever.
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Blues score three goals in the first 2:06 tonight. 5th fastest ever.
Well, it was the Ducks.
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Ducks or not, I will take it. Jordan Kyrou continues to be a major breakout star for the Blues in 2021. :hat
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Ducks or not, I will take it
I would too, tbh.
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Ducks or not, I will take it. Jordan Kyrou continues to be a major breakout star for the Blues in 2021. :hat
And Berube continues to play mind games with him. His first two goal game in his career and Berube has him on the bench the last 6 minutes of the game eliminating any chance of his first hat trick.
Berube has done his best to F with that kid non stop. I know it’s tough love and all.....he challenged Kyrou at the end of the season last year to come back ready and Kyrou did. Kid out on 15 lbs of straight muscle.
There’s a fine line between tough love and teaching as a coach and just being a dick. Berube is waffling between that line a lot with Kyrou. I’m glad Kyrou is ignoring it and keeping focused.
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Ducks or not, I will take it. Jordan Kyrou continues to be a major breakout star for the Blues in 2021. :hat
And Berube continues to play mind games with him. His first two goal game in his career and Berube has him on the bench the last 6 minutes of the game eliminating any chance of his first hat trick.
Berube has done his best to F with that kid non stop. I know it’s tough love and all.....he challenged Kyrou at the end of the season last year to come back ready and Kyrou did. Kid out on 15 lbs of straight muscle.
There’s a fine line between tough love and teaching as a coach and just being a dick. Berube is waffling between that line a lot with Kyrou. I’m glad Kyrou is ignoring it and keeping focused.
Hmmm, I will admit that the game became background noise for me in the 3rd period, so I didn't really notice that, but that is a bummer that Berube would jerk him around like that. Then again, I am sure there is a method to his madness, given Kyrou's age. Gotta keep the young guys always fighting for more ice time, I guess.
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I love the Wild's North Stars' colors.
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2nd period just started, and McD and Draisaitl already have 4pts each. Matt Murray and whoever the fuck Hogberg is look just awful. 6 goals on 14 shots lol
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I love the Wild's North Stars' colors.
2nd period just started, and McD and Draisaitl already have 4pts each. Matt Murray and whoever the fuck Hogberg is look just awful. 6 goals on 14 shots lol
Yeah that looks pretty cool. Ah nostalgia.
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I love the Wild's North Stars' colors.
2nd period just started, and McD and Draisaitl already have 4pts each. Matt Murray and whoever the fuck Hogberg is look just awful. 6 goals on 14 shots lol
Yeah that looks pretty cool. Ah nostalgia.
Agreed. The nostalgia of Ottawa being awful is great! lol
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I love the Wild's North Stars' colors.
2nd period just started, and McD and Draisaitl already have 4pts each. Matt Murray and whoever the fuck Hogberg is look just awful. 6 goals on 14 shots lol
Yeah that looks pretty cool. Ah nostalgia.
so where's Modano, Broten, Bellows and Smith? :coolio
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I'm watching NHL Tonight, and I can't help but think that while Tony Luftman is talking, Bruce Boudreau must be thinking STFU! :lol
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Well, the Devils' season has been put on hold for at least a week. Honestly may benefit us in the long run because we'd never gotten Nico Hischier back from a pre-season injury and Sami Vatanen was in normal isolation protocol following having traveled to Newark when he signed with the team.
Honestly though, been real happy with the way the season's gone to this point. A lot of the young guys have been stepping up and we're seeing this season in Hughes what everyone thought we'd be getting last season.
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I'm not sure many teams are going to escape the rescheduling of games. MLB, NBA, NFL haven't been able to avoid it, there's no reason to think the NHL was ever going to find the secret sauce. 0% chance the season finished by early May as it was originally scheduled to. My best guess would be end of May, which means the playoffs are still going to run into August.
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The Blues are on a roll now, so I guess a COVID situation is just around the corner. :lol :lol :facepalm: :facepalm:
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The Blues are on a roll now, so I guess a COVID situation is just around the corner. :lol :lol :facepalm: :facepalm:
Was thinking the same thing. They’re looking like they’re getting comfortable and up to speed and playing well so I’m sure something Covid related will pop up.
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The Blues are on a roll now, so I guess a COVID situation is just around the corner. :lol :lol :facepalm: :facepalm:
Was thinking the same thing. They’re looking like they’re getting comfortable and up to speed and playing well so I’m sure something Covid related will pop up.
I'd be surprised if any team escapes the entire season unscathed by Covid.
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Anyone catch the Jets alternate uniforms from last night? Nice colors, as opposed to some teams who have some absolutely dreadful colors.
Solid win by the Leafs, and always nice to see the Habs lose. 3 postponed games. Hopefully the league can get this under control. So bizarre to see fans in the stands - is Florida an entire state of Covid denyers? Pretty much the only way for the Panthers to lead the league in attendance. :lol
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The Blues now have two series (Avs/Wild) delayed by Covid. I get it.....they're trying to be smart or whatever by postponing these games....but, what's the F'n point of the taxi squad if you're going to cancel games anyway? I mean, they canceled the Blues v Knights due to one player on the Knights having Covid!? Why even have a taxi squad then if you can't replace one player.
What's the 'number' or criteria? If it's fluid then the NHL is screwed and so are a bunch of teams because there's no way every team will get their 56 games in so which will lead to a percentage based conference seeding which will certainly screw a team or two.
I know the league is trying the best they can but the visuals of how they're cancelling these games looks fishy to me at times....like they're protecting some of these teams who's 'stars' are out on injury or covid.
You can mark this post....I'll guarantee you that if Binnington, O'Reily and Perron get all get covid at the same time the league isn't protecting them the way they have Vegas and Colorado and is making the Blues keep playing games. Roll your eyes....dismiss it as it just 'Gary being Gary' but I'll guarantee it right now because that's the type of BS Blues fans are used to dealing with.
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It could be down to contact tracing. If three players test positive but they were relatively isolated then the game could be played without them, but if one player tests positive but had contact with a lot of personnel, the game would have to be postponed. Speaking from experience working as a DSP in a higher risk environment, contact tracing is what takes something from an isolated incident to a department wide quarantine. In this instance with the teams, it appears that behind the scenes personnel are being kept mostly anonymous, which on one hand is a good thing as it protects them from scrutiny and backlash for something that isn't necessarily their fault, but on the other hand it has the unfortunate side effect of not revealing the real level of exposure to fans, making it seem like the rules are inconsistent when they may not be in reality.
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It could be down to contact tracing. If three players test positive but they were relatively isolated then the game could be played without them, but if one player tests positive but had contact with a lot of personnel, the game would have to be postponed. Speaking from experience working as a DSP in a higher risk environment, contact tracing is what takes something from an isolated incident to a department wide quarantine. In this instance with the teams, it appears that behind the scenes personnel are being kept mostly anonymous, which on one hand is a good thing as it protects them from scrutiny and backlash for something that isn't necessarily their fault, but on the other hand it has the unfortunate side effect of not revealing the real level of exposure to fans, making it seem like the rules are inconsistent when they may not be in reality.
Yeah....I get it. I think your assessment is spot on. As I said.....I don't envy the position the NHL is in. They're taking a massive financial hit across the board (Owners/Players/Employees) and they're doing what they can to provide a product and a way of life for people. So, my frustration means nothing in the big picture....I'm glad we're getting to see hockey played.
But my question is serious....why even have the taxi squad then? Maybe it was something that seemed like a good idea but the practicality of it now it just doesn't work? Or, since a lot of the minor league teams aren't playing it's just a way to keep players in shape....which is most likely the reason now.
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It could be down to contact tracing. If three players test positive but they were relatively isolated then the game could be played without them, but if one player tests positive but had contact with a lot of personnel, the game would have to be postponed. Speaking from experience working as a DSP in a higher risk environment, contact tracing is what takes something from an isolated incident to a department wide quarantine. In this instance with the teams, it appears that behind the scenes personnel are being kept mostly anonymous, which on one hand is a good thing as it protects them from scrutiny and backlash for something that isn't necessarily their fault, but on the other hand it has the unfortunate side effect of not revealing the real level of exposure to fans, making it seem like the rules are inconsistent when they may not be in reality.
Yeah....I get it. I think your assessment is spot on. As I said.....I don't envy the position the NHL is in. They're taking a massive financial hit across the board (Owners/Players/Employees) and they're doing what they can to provide a product and a way of life for people. So, my frustration means nothing in the big picture....I'm glad we're getting to see hockey played.
But my question is serious....why even have the taxi squad then? Maybe it was something that seemed like a good idea but the practicality of it now it just doesn't work? Or, since a lot of the minor league teams aren't playing it's just a way to keep players in shape....which is most likely the reason now.
In theory it was a good idea, but to use my team as an example, let's say the Rangers and Capitals had guys test positive right before their series this week. Even though having reserve players is great, as a fan, well I really don't want to watch a Wolfpack vs Bears game instead of a Rangers vs Capitals game. Not to mention that you are now adding more people (virus hosts) to an already infected locker room. In practice it just isn't a good idea, as its endangering more people and would be putting an inferior product on the ice for the fans, plus if one team has multiple replacement players and their opponent has none, that's giving an unfair advantage to the healthy team. Respect to the NHL for being active in trying to find solutions to the many challenges they're facing with putting on a season, but the taxi squads are not a good solution so hopefully they think of something better.
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The Blues now have two series (Avs/Wild) delayed by Covid. I get it.....they're trying to be smart or whatever by postponing these games....but, what's the F'n point of the taxi squad if you're going to cancel games anyway? I mean, they canceled the Blues v Knights due to one player on the Knights having Covid!? Why even have a taxi squad then if you can't replace one player.
What's the 'number' or criteria? If it's fluid then the NHL is screwed and so are a bunch of teams because there's no way every team will get their 56 games in so which will lead to a percentage based conference seeding which will certainly screw a team or two.
I know the league is trying the best they can but the visuals of how they're cancelling these games looks fishy to me at times....like they're protecting some of these teams who's 'stars' are out on injury or covid.
You can mark this post....I'll guarantee you that if Binnington, O'Reily and Perron get all get covid at the same time the league isn't protecting them the way they have Vegas and Colorado and is making the Blues keep playing games. Roll your eyes....dismiss it as it just 'Gary being Gary' but I'll guarantee it right now because that's the type of BS Blues fans are used to dealing with.
#GaryBeingGary
My take was that the taxi squad is to compensate for the fact that you can't quickly call players up from the minors, and if there is an *isolated* Covid exposure, you can swap those players in/out. Not to mention needing a 3rd goalie in a pinch. The Taxi Squad also has protection from the cap. So in normal years when you could only have a 23 man roster, that only gives you 3 players to swap in/out - and when the four bozo Ruskie's from the Caps have to sit due to an *isolated* Covid exposure, the team can still put out a 20-man roster on the ice. Same with the Vegas coaching staff
Oh, and you didn't see THOSE games get rescheduled, did ya Gary?? :biggrin: No protection for those teams in those situations. Also, I don't think Buffalo is a huge market/franchise that the NHL feels they have to "protect".
#GaryBeingGary :P :D
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The Blues now have two series (Avs/Wild) delayed by Covid. I get it.....they're trying to be smart or whatever by postponing these games....but, what's the F'n point of the taxi squad if you're going to cancel games anyway? I mean, they canceled the Blues v Knights due to one player on the Knights having Covid!? Why even have a taxi squad then if you can't replace one player.
What's the 'number' or criteria? If it's fluid then the NHL is screwed and so are a bunch of teams because there's no way every team will get their 56 games in so which will lead to a percentage based conference seeding which will certainly screw a team or two.
I know the league is trying the best they can but the visuals of how they're cancelling these games looks fishy to me at times....like they're protecting some of these teams who's 'stars' are out on injury or covid.
You can mark this post....I'll guarantee you that if Binnington, O'Reily and Perron get all get covid at the same time the league isn't protecting them the way they have Vegas and Colorado and is making the Blues keep playing games. Roll your eyes....dismiss it as it just 'Gary being Gary' but I'll guarantee it right now because that's the type of BS Blues fans are used to dealing with.
#GaryBeingGary
My take was that the taxi squad is to compensate for the fact that you can't quickly call players up from the minors, and if there is an *isolated* Covid exposure, you can swap those players in/out. Not to mention needing a 3rd goalie in a pinch. The Taxi Squad also has protection from the cap. So in normal years when you could only have a 23 man roster, that only gives you 3 players to swap in/out - and when the four bozo Ruskie's from the Caps have to sit due to an *isolated* Covid exposure, the team can still put out a 20-man roster on the ice. Same with the Vegas coaching staff
Oh, and you didn't see THOSE games get rescheduled, did ya Gary?? :biggrin: No protection for those teams in those situations. Also, I don't think Buffalo is a huge market/franchise that the NHL feels they have to "protect".
#GaryBeingGary :P :D
^^this^^
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You can mark this post....I'll guarantee you that if Binnington, O'Reily and Perron get all get covid at the same time the league isn't protecting them the way they have Vegas and Colorado and is making the Blues keep playing games. Roll your eyes....dismiss it as it just 'Gary being Gary' but I'll guarantee it right now because that's the type of BS Blues fans are used to dealing with.
#GaryBeingGary
No shit!
Gary you left out the fact that the it was the referees that were the ones that actually passed it on to those guys.
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Regarding the Blues, I am more concerned right now with their seeming inability to get "up" for the 2nd games of these back to backs. Once again, they came out the other night with their heads up their asses, and sure, they made the final score look better at the end (pulled the goalie down 3-0 late, scored 3 goals with Binnington pulled and allowed 1 empty netter, and lost 4-3), but this is unacceptable. Berube was asked about it after the game and basically said, "Ask the players, they are the ones playing," and while he is right, maybe it is something Berube needs to do differently to get them ready to play. I am pretty consistent across all team sports that when all or most of a team shows up for a game looking lethargic or disinterested, it is not as simple as all of the players just happening to not give a shit that day; that is the coaches not getting them ready to play, which is part of their job. And make no mistake, Berube coached the Blues to their first Cup and will forever be a god in the eyes of many of us here in St Louis, but I am just saying, there seems to be that blind spot with him in regards to this team as far as preparation goes.
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You can mark this post....I'll guarantee you that if Binnington, O'Reily and Perron get all get covid at the same time the league isn't protecting them the way they have Vegas and Colorado and is making the Blues keep playing games. Roll your eyes....dismiss it as it just 'Gary being Gary' but I'll guarantee it right now because that's the type of BS Blues fans are used to dealing with.
#GaryBeingGary
No shit!
Gary you left out the fact that the it was the referees that were the ones that actually passed it on to those guys.
:lol
Kev. I’d be interested in seeing the stats on theses two game series. What’s the frequency of a ‘sweep’ or is the split more common? Seems like this two game series format sets up motivation for whichever team loses the first game to come back harder in the second game.
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Hot damn, that Flames/Oil game last night was a shootout. Koskinen... Man alive is he just not good, and the defense hung him out to dry on a few occasions. I feel for ya Schecter.
I don't know if the Leafs are as good as they've looked or the Canucks are as bad as they've looked given the last 2 games. I think a bit of both, and possibly the Leafs played a little above their norm + Canucks below their norm. Holtby looks like an below-average goalie too. I can see Demko being their #1 guy (if he isn't already).
Really looking forward to Wednesday's Leafs/Habs matchup. Two best teams in the league!!!
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Blues have lost 8 of the last 12 games they’ve played against Arizona. For some reason Arizona has their number. It’s infuriating. Of course the Avs and Wild series gets postponed and their schedule was reworked to where we play Arizona 6 times in a row! Should just be banking point but nope......they’re 1-2 and have looked like ass.
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Blues have lost 8 of the last 12 games they’ve played against Arizona. For some reason Arizona has their number. It’s infuriating. Of course the Avs and Wild series gets postponed and their schedule was reworked to where we play Arizona 6 times in a row! Should just be banking point but nope......they’re 1-2 and have looked like ass.
Holy shit! Basically a playoff series. Wow.
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Hot damn, that Flames/Oil game last night was a shootout. Koskinen... Man alive is he just not good, and the defense hung him out to dry on a few occasions. I feel for ya Schecter.
I don't know if the Leafs are as good as they've looked or the Canucks are as bad as they've looked given the last 2 games. I think a bit of both, and possibly the Leafs played a little above their norm + Canucks below their norm. Holtby looks like an below-average goalie too. I can see Demko being their #1 guy (if he isn't already).
Really looking forward to Wednesday's Leafs/Habs matchup. Two best teams in the league!!!
Yeah, the general consensus around town is that Smith will get a string of starts now. Which is a sad, sad thing.
Goaltending is a mess in Oil Country
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Hot damn, that Flames/Oil game last night was a shootout. Koskinen... Man alive is he just not good, and the defense hung him out to dry on a few occasions. I feel for ya Schecter.
I don't know if the Leafs are as good as they've looked or the Canucks are as bad as they've looked given the last 2 games. I think a bit of both, and possibly the Leafs played a little above their norm + Canucks below their norm. Holtby looks like an below-average goalie too. I can see Demko being their #1 guy (if he isn't already).
Really looking forward to Wednesday's Leafs/Habs matchup. Two best teams in the league!!!
Yeah, the general consensus around town is that Smith will get a string of starts now. Which is a sad, sad thing.
Goaltending is a mess in Oil Country
How long has it been since you guys have had an A-list netminder?
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Hot damn, that Flames/Oil game last night was a shootout. Koskinen... Man alive is he just not good, and the defense hung him out to dry on a few occasions. I feel for ya Schecter.
I don't know if the Leafs are as good as they've looked or the Canucks are as bad as they've looked given the last 2 games. I think a bit of both, and possibly the Leafs played a little above their norm + Canucks below their norm. Holtby looks like an below-average goalie too. I can see Demko being their #1 guy (if he isn't already).
Really looking forward to Wednesday's Leafs/Habs matchup. Two best teams in the league!!!
Yeah, the general consensus around town is that Smith will get a string of starts now. Which is a sad, sad thing.
Goaltending is a mess in Oil Country
How long has it been since you guys have had an A-list netminder?
Since Cujo in '01... Or whatever year it was. Roloson was elite to end the '06 season, but that's about as close as it came. Dubnyk was traded the year before his Vezina run
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Hot damn, that Flames/Oil game last night was a shootout. Koskinen... Man alive is he just not good, and the defense hung him out to dry on a few occasions. I feel for ya Schecter.
I don't know if the Leafs are as good as they've looked or the Canucks are as bad as they've looked given the last 2 games. I think a bit of both, and possibly the Leafs played a little above their norm + Canucks below their norm. Holtby looks like an below-average goalie too. I can see Demko being their #1 guy (if he isn't already).
Really looking forward to Wednesday's Leafs/Habs matchup. Two best teams in the league!!!
Yeah, the general consensus around town is that Smith will get a string of starts now. Which is a sad, sad thing.
Goaltending is a mess in Oil Country
How long has it been since you guys have had an A-list netminder?
Since Cujo in '01... Or whatever year it was. Roloson was elite to end the '06 season, but that's about as close as it came. Dubnyk was traded the year before his Vezina run
That's what I thought. Talbot had one good season, but that was clearly a Buster Douglas-like situation.
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Hot damn, that Flames/Oil game last night was a shootout. Koskinen... Man alive is he just not good, and the defense hung him out to dry on a few occasions. I feel for ya Schecter.
I don't know if the Leafs are as good as they've looked or the Canucks are as bad as they've looked given the last 2 games. I think a bit of both, and possibly the Leafs played a little above their norm + Canucks below their norm. Holtby looks like an below-average goalie too. I can see Demko being their #1 guy (if he isn't already).
Really looking forward to Wednesday's Leafs/Habs matchup. Two best teams in the league!!!
Yeah, the general consensus around town is that Smith will get a string of starts now. Which is a sad, sad thing.
Goaltending is a mess in Oil Country
How long has it been since you guys have had an A-list netminder?
Since Cujo in '01... Or whatever year it was. Roloson was elite to end the '06 season, but that's about as close as it came. Dubnyk was traded the year before his Vezina run
That's what I thought. Talbot had one good season, but that was clearly a Buster Douglas-like situation.
Talbot benefited from playing for the Rangers, who have probably the best goalie coach in the league.
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Talbot was good for a softie every game, without fail. Year 1 he was ok, Oilers missed the playoffs. Year 2 he plays above his career average, but still good for the softie, Oilers make playoffs. Year 3 he's back to mediocre, still letting in softies, Oilers miss playoffs. Now he's basically out of the league. He was touted as this great tender that never got the chance because he was playing behind a legend (a la Favre/Rodgers). Turns out he was just a solid backup the whole time
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Mike Babcock slumming as a NBCSC in studio analyst?
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The Blues shit the bed and lose to Arizona again. Confidence in this team is fading fast.
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Mike Babcock slumming as a NBCSC in studio analyst?
Old hat, Tim. Old hat. That was pages ago in the thread lol.
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The Blues shit the bed and lose to Arizona again. Confidence in this team is fading fast.
Let them tie it up with under a half second left I the game then lose in a shootout. Pathetic
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Laine benched for the 3rd last night? That didn't take long.
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Laine benched for the 3rd last night? That didn't take long.
Actually, he was benched for a good portion of the 2nd too. Did you see the play that brought it about? Seriously, he was as useful as a pylon on the ice. He literally just stood still in the d-zone, while Carolina hustled to a loose puck and scored.
https://youtu.be/CLRYXqbFHgE?t=356
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WOW! That's incredible. He was just standing there.
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WOW! That's incredible. He was just standing there.
Like someone put the controller down.
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WOW! That's incredible. He was just standing there.
Like someone put the controller down.
:lol
That's funny.
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WOW! That's incredible. He was just standing there.
Like someone put the controller down.
Hilarious!!!
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WOW! That's incredible. He was just standing there.
Like someone put the controller down.
Hilarious!!!
In comparison.
(https://i.imgur.com/haRBQL7.gif?noredirect)
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God that gif is mesmerizing! I'd forgotten all about that one. :lmao:
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Yep. During those days where Ovi and the Caps didn't have a cup and kept losing to the Rangers and Penguins in the playoffs in the 10s. Feels like history now.
Anywho, I don't think we mentioned this at all, but Jim Rutherford, a few weeks back, resigned from being the GM of the Penguins due to reasons not disclosed in public yet to my knowledge. As a result, Ron Hextall (whose been working with the Kings as a Hockey Operations Advisor and was a former Assistant GM with the Kings when they won the cup in 2012 and being the GM for the Flyers in between) is now the GM for the Penguins. Brian Burke (whose been working as an analyst for Sportsnet nowadays) is also now deemed president of hockey operations for the Penguins.
Quite a big shakeup for the Penguins. Hiring a guy that was a star goalie and also former recent GM for your nearby rival team as GM now and hiring a guy that is been either president/GM for like 5 different teams in a president role.
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I thought the word is Rutherford "retired" because Ownership kibosh'd his plan/intent to trade Letang? Maybe that was just an unsubstantiated rumour though. I'm gonna miss Burkie on Sportsnet... one of my favorite TV personalities.
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I thought the word is Rutherford "retired" because Ownership kibosh'd his plan/intent to trade Letang? Maybe that was just an unsubstantiated rumour though.
I haven't heard anything but there was definitely a major disagreement along the way.
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Goddamn, Bob McKenzie looks like he's been embalmed tonight. How much fucking makeup can you put on??
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Another hard fought win by the Leafs. Montreal was the better team for the first 30 minutes of the game, then the Leafs got rolling. Couple quick goals, and then held the fort for the W.
Rask. :rollin :rollin :rollin That could've been really bad.
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2 quality choke jobs by the Leafs - none more embarrassing then being up 5-1 over the Sens with 10 seconds to go in the 2nd. Last time I remember blowing something that bad was a 5-0 3rd period lead over the Blues about 15 years ago.
Ottawa has their number ... kinda how the Coyotes have the Blues’ number.
Ffs, ya gotta put away the bottom feeders.
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Kings suck again. Sharks suck again. Hopefully Seattle will give me a winning team.
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Kings suck again. Sharks suck again. Hopefully Seattle will give me a winning team.
If the NHL does for Seattle what it did for Vegas, you'll be golden (no pun intended).
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Hot damn those Carolina Whalers jerseys gave me a bit of a boner. I'm sure Stads outright creamed himself. :lol
And that Lake Tahoe setup looks hot too. Not sure how it's going to be to watch - jingle.son told me the cameras are going to be a combination of the wired overhead, and drones. With no stands, clearly there won't be the traditional centre ice scrolling as the primary view.
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I’m loving the Nordique retro jersey!!! Very cool setting to watch this game, but man is the ice shitty! The players must be hating it.
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And the game got delayed after one period..... due to the ice conditions. Well with the NHL, as always, points for trying something different, minus points for not doing well in reacting to conditions like this.
NHL hosted an outdoor game in Vegas, 30 years ago, and it went ok for the most part (granted it was at night with no sun, in comparison to the Lake Tahoe game being in the afternoon with sun).
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The California game went well, i thought. And it was like 20c that day
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^^ Yeah, both California stadium games in 2014 and 2015 went well without issues. Today's game could very well be due to the fact that the sun was clear which I think can affect ice moreso than pure temperature weather.
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Game delayed until midnight? WTF??
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Game delayed until midnight? WTF??
Set your DVR...errrr....VCR.
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Game delayed until midnight? WTF??
Set your DVR...errrr....VCR.
It's blinking midnight anyway. ;D
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^^ Yeah, both California stadium games in 2014 and 2015 went well without issues. Today's game could very well be due to the fact that the sun was clear which I think can affect ice moreso than pure temperature weather.
Yeah, i think those games were later, so the sun was already pretty low
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McDavid might actually got 100pts this season if he keeps this up. He's averaging 1.75ppg so far through 20 games (including tonight, and his 3 pts through 1 period).
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....and now he has a hat trick. Ridiculous. 7th career 5pt game, 8th hatty
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^^ It's such a bloody shame that the Oilers have two premium superstars in the league and that team does not look like they are cup contenders. Seems like a waste of their peaks. What do you think they can do to right the ship to have that mindset other than work on D and have a capable goalie?
On another note, the Avs/Golden Knights outdoor game is back on.
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D and goaltending are basically the only needs. The forwards are pretty solid, and the top 2 players are obviously the mutt's nuts. The problem is that offense alone won't win a playoff round. Maybe smith and Koskinen can get their shit together, but they also face a hundred shots per game
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....and now he has a hat trick. Ridiculous. 7th career 5pt game, 8th hatty
And Matthews just can't seem to find the net the 3rd time in a game - only 2 career hatty's, but 36 career 2-goal games (and three games in a row after last night)! The North is a scoring bonanza ... McD, Draisatl, Marner and Mathews the top-4 point getters in the league. The talk in Toronto is whether Matthews will get 50 goals this year. Wouldn't that be something - McD hits 100; Matthews nets 50... in a 56 game season. I'm giving Matthews about a 9% chance. He looks good now, but everyone is bound to hit a lull/slump. 1/3 of the way into the season, and it seems that playing the same teams game-in / game-out is more beneficial to the offenses - at least in the North.
Hard to tell if Calgary is really as bad as they look, or if they are just in a deep funk. I'm starting to think the former, and Markstrom isn't doing much to bail them out. Then again, it was McDavid last night.
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I don't think Matthews can hit 50 but he'll probably get awfully close. That would being be something though if he does. He's basically this generation's Ovechkin, as i see it. He probably won't ever win the Art Ross, especially with McD putting up points like he does, but he should be considered the favorite for the Rocket every year.
Spoiled in the North division, no doubt about it
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Toronto looks great this year, and it took was Boston and Tampa being taken out of their division!
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This Blues team seems destined for a playoff berth and a quick exit. Unless something changes in a big way with this team, I don't see them making it past the Avs or Golden Knights in a 1st round series this year.
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All ya gotta do is get to the dance.
I’d really like to see Toronto vs the Bs or Bolts ... its really too bad we’ll never know if the team is this good against othe too-rated teams (Edmonton notwithstanding .... though I’m not sure how long Smith can hold down the fort)
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If Edmonton can keep playing consistently, i think they make the playoffs. I don't think they have the pedigree to win a round, and definitely not 2 or 3
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There's a reason the 2 friends i used to share season tickets with call me the Anti-fan
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There's a reason the 2 friends i used to share season tickets with call me the Anti-fan
You can be a fan and also a realist. I’m a New York sports fan, and my city has been coasting on the success of the Yankees and Giants for the better part of a century. My Jets and Rangers are nowhere near championship contenders, but just because I can admit that doesn’t mean I’m not gonna root for them.
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Realist is the exact reply i use. And i call them homers, for good measure
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Kings suck again.
Not so fast there. Starting to put things together (as they did WAY too late in the 19-20 season), currently in a playoff spot, and only 5 points behind STL. If they can keep things going against STL and MIN over the next seven days, then this could become a very interesting season for this very young team. My biggest concern is Cal Peterson. I haven't been terribly impressed with him as the supposed heir apparent to Jonathan Quick.
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^^ I think Petersen is doing fine on his end. I'm not expecting him to rob someone of a goal like Quick did in his peak, as much, but Petersen should be ok. I hope he's going to do fine on his end, because from what I hear, the Reign goalies in the AHL are not going be better...... Then again, they are only 20-21. It's when a goalie is like 25 where things should be clicking right?
On a side note, the scenery of today's outdoor game looks nice with the sun setting.
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Sorry, Jingle, but I want to bring this up. So, it's been one year since the infamous emergency backup goalie that happens to be a Zamboni driver that stepped in and happened to get a W for the Hurricanes against the Leafs. Where were you guys when this happened?
I was in San Francisco getting ready for the 1st of four Alter Bridge shows in the West Coast (which happened to be the last concerts I've seen as of now) and I was looking at my Twitter feed in bed about it and various forums like here reading about it. That moment made a lot of waves and Steve Dangle freaked out about it in glorious fashion. The discussion with his podcast buddies also was ok as well. They compared it to how the losing team in Air Bud felt when they lost to a dog at basketball.
LFR13 - Game 63 - THEY LOST TO A ZAMBONI DRIVER (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFnQ0dcaBUI)
You Lost To Your OWN Zamboni Driver! | The Steve Dangle Podcast (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfwvWci7HiY)
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An embarrassment for sure, but I hate the narrative of him being a "Zamboni Driver". He was the Marlies (AHL affiliate) practice goalie, and often practiced with the Leafs squad as well. It's not like he wasn't a legitimate "emergency" goalie like Scott Foster in Chicago a couple years back.
Dangle is fun sometimes, but he's whole schtick is to be outrageously outrageous.
Oh, and I was watching the game in my living room... shouting at the TV.
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Agree about the "emergency goalie" concept. The Oilers' e-goalie is the starter for the university hockey team. You don't want these guys starting a string of NHL games, but they know how to stop pucks.
Not sure exactly where i was, but Strava says i was out riding trails on my bike at the time lol. I figured there was a good chance Strava would have a record of my whereabouts any given day (which is also terrifying)
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Kings suck again.
Not so fast there. Starting to put things together (as they did WAY too late in the 19-20 season), currently in a playoff spot, and only 5 points behind STL. If they can keep things going against STL and MIN over the next seven days, then this could become a very interesting season for this very young team. My biggest concern is Cal Peterson. I haven't been terribly impressed with him as the supposed heir apparent to Jonathan Quick.
That was a solid as fuck game against the Blues. Quick has looked great in his last couple games. GKG!
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Quick stole that game. But at the same time Blues are reeling. So many injured players and just added another one tonight in Gunnarson. It’s been a tough stretch.
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Calgary pulled their shit together last night, Leafs just didn't have it ... injuries to their four 'scrappy' players (Thornton, Hyman, Muzzin - and Simmonds already out) didn't help. Plus, Anderson with an undisclosed injury as well. Hopefully Thornton and Hyman are just bumps and they're back this week. Muzzin took a stick to the face on Saturday, and broke some bones - unsure how long he'll be out for.
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Quick stole that game. But at the same time Blues are reeling. So many injured players and just added another one tonight in Gunnarson. It’s been a tough stretch.
Bodes well for Wednesday! :biggrin:
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Man....it's been brutal for the Blues this season. It's our turn for the injury bug. Lots of players out, and pretty 'key' players.
Jaden Schwartz - Lower Body - Week to Week (missed two weeks now)
Robert Thomas - Broken Thumb - Re-evaluated in 4 to 6 Weeks (missed about two weeks now)
Vladimir Tarasenko - Shoulder - Week to Week (coming off offseason surgery....been skating with team)
Ivan Barbachev - Ankle - Re-evaluated in 6 weeks (injured three games ago)
Tyler Bozak - Upper Body (concussion) - Day to Day (cheap shot from Stone in Vegas 49 second mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AvYc6wXhm4 Stone got nothing for it)
Alexander Steen - Back - Out for Season
Colton Paryako - Back - Out Indefinitely
Carl Gunnarson - Knee - Out for Season
Marco Scandella - Took a Puck to Face - Day to Day
Just brutal. Sad thing is, Binnington has been playing really good but losing games by a goal or two because we can't F'n score. With teams like the Kings and Arizona coming into their own and the fact the Blues have an entire lineup out injured.....suddenly making the playoffs would be a victory for this team.
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Damn, that's a long list! And I'm surprised there wasn't any league action against Stone - they don't usually tolerate concussion inducing hits (please spare us the Blues conspiracy viewpoint :biggrin:) Too bad it wasn't COVID, then at least they could get the games rescheduled! :neverusethis:
Scrappy win by the Leafs last night. They were the better team all game, but 'Big Save Dave' did indeed live up to that moniker, and made at least 1/2 dozen A-list saves. Greasy rebound goal with the goalie pulled to tie it, and then a great rush in OT for the winner.
Edmonton for 2 games ought to be very entertaining. The Leafs will need to play some lock-down defense if Hutch is still the starting goalie - which will be hard if Muzzin is still out of the lineup. I'll be happy with a split if they can get it.
Really surprised at Julien's firing, but Bergevin's logic is sound.
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Man....it's been brutal for the Blues this season. It's our turn for the injury bug. Lots of players out, and pretty 'key' players.
Jaden Schwartz - Lower Body - Week to Week (missed two weeks now)
Robert Thomas - Broken Thumb - Re-evaluated in 4 to 6 Weeks (missed about two weeks now)
Vladimir Tarasenko - Shoulder - Week to Week (coming off offseason surgery....been skating with team)
Ivan Barbachev - Ankle - Re-evaluated in 6 weeks (injured three games ago)
Tyler Bozak - Upper Body (concussion) - Day to Day (cheap shot from Stone in Vegas 49 second mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AvYc6wXhm4 Stone got nothing for it)
Alexander Steen - Back - Out for Season
Colton Paryako - Back - Out Indefinitely
Carl Gunnarson - Knee - Out for Season
Marco Scandella - Took a Puck to Face - Day to Day
Just brutal. Sad thing is, Binnington has been playing really good but losing games by a goal or two because we can't F'n score. With teams like the Kings and Arizona coming into their own and the fact the Blues have an entire lineup out injured.....suddenly making the playoffs would be a victory for this team.
Agreed. I said last week that the team has first round loss written all over them, but now I am not even sure they will be a playoff team. They were struggling already, and all of these injuries is speeding up the descent. Ugh. I will have to watch 2019 postseason highlights again on YT to cheer myself up. :biggrin:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96SlcmBnyE0 ???
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Really surprised at Julien's firing, but Bergevin's logic is sound.
Now this is a sentence I never thought I would read. You sure that shouldn't be in green? ;)
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Really surprised at Julien's firing, but Bergevin's logic is sound.
Now this is a sentence I never thought I would read. You sure that shouldn't be in green? ;)
HAHA!
Anyone see the Flames/Sens highlights? Man, how did Rittich go from 'lights out' in 2 games vs the Leafs to 'can't stop a beachball' in just 2 days. No-Save-Dave is more like it. He looked terrible. That OT loss must've really gotten in his head.
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Goalies are a fickle bunch. They are like closers in the baseball. They can sometimes get in their own head and destroy their own confidence.
I still find is strange that after getting possibly the 3 best goalies ever for roughly a 20-year stretch (Roy, Hasek, Brodeur), we have yet to see a goalie rise up since and dominate on an yearly basis over the long haul like those three did. No one since is even close.
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Goalies are a fickle bunch. They are like closers in the baseball. They can sometimes get in their own head and destroy their own confidence.
I still find is strange that after getting possibly the 3 best goalies ever for roughly a 20-year stretch (Roy, Hasek, Brodeur), we have yet to see a goalie rise up since and dominate on an yearly basis over the long haul like those three did. No one since is even close.
I don't disagree, but the statistic of total Ws would suggest Luongo, Fleury, Henrik were at least in the same ballpark - though, their successes are as much about longevity as anything (though, Brodeur was a freak of talent + longevity).
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Big 3 game set between the Oil and Leafs starting tomorrow. If Toronto ends up sweeping, that might put them out of reach. In the division. It would put them 9pts up with games in hand.
I'm optimistic about the Oilers' play lately, so I'm wagering they go 2-1
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Big 3 game set between the Oil and Leafs starting tomorrow. If Toronto ends up sweeping, that might put them out of reach. In the division. It would put them 9pts up with games in hand.
I'm optimistic about the Oilers' play lately, so I'm wagering they go 2-1
I'm really hopeful Campbell can start tonight, and Anderson is back for the next two. Could be ugly if the Leafs have to put Hutchinson between the pipes. Playing him against Cgy, Mtl and Ott is one thing; The Oil is another.
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Big 3 game set between the Oil and Leafs starting tomorrow. If Toronto ends up sweeping, that might put them out of reach. In the division. It would put them 9pts up with games in hand.
I'm optimistic about the Oilers' play lately, so I'm wagering they go 2-1
I'm really hopeful Campbell can start tonight, and Anderson is back for the next two. Could be ugly if the Leafs have to put Hutchinson between the pipes. Playing him against Cgy, Mtl and Ott is one thing; The Oil is another.
I'm not sure either of those options is good with McD bearing down on the net lol. Wouldn't it just be something if these are all low scoring, defense first games? I highly doubt it will be given the fire power on both sides, but crazier things have happened in the NHL (think zamboni drivers winning NHL games in net).
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Big 3 game set between the Oil and Leafs starting tomorrow. If Toronto ends up sweeping, that might put them out of reach. In the division. It would put them 9pts up with games in hand.
I'm optimistic about the Oilers' play lately, so I'm wagering they go 2-1
I'm really hopeful Campbell can start tonight, and Anderson is back for the next two. Could be ugly if the Leafs have to put Hutchinson between the pipes. Playing him against Cgy, Mtl and Ott is one thing; The Oil is another.
I'm not sure either of those options is good with McD bearing down on the net lol. Wouldn't it just be something if these are all low scoring, defense first games? I highly doubt it will be given the fire power on both sides, but crazier things have happened in the NHL (think zamboni drivers winning NHL games in net).
Or drafting Yakapov first overall!
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Big 3 game set between the Oil and Leafs starting tomorrow. If Toronto ends up sweeping, that might put them out of reach. In the division. It would put them 9pts up with games in hand.
I'm optimistic about the Oilers' play lately, so I'm wagering they go 2-1
I'm really hopeful Campbell can start tonight, and Anderson is back for the next two. Could be ugly if the Leafs have to put Hutchinson between the pipes. Playing him against Cgy, Mtl and Ott is one thing; The Oil is another.
I'm not sure either of those options is good with McD bearing down on the net lol. Wouldn't it just be something if these are all low scoring, defense first games? I highly doubt it will be given the fire power on both sides, but crazier things have happened in the NHL (think zamboni drivers winning NHL games in net).
Or drafting Yakapov first overall!
Ughhh. People are supposed to forget about that. And the Hall fleecing. Basically all of Chiarelli's run as GM. And Tambellini's.
Also, what's with the Oilers and hiring GM's with Italian names? It clearly doesn't work out
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Doesn’t Chiarelli have the distinction of trading both the number one and number two overall picks from that draft?
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Doesn’t Chiarelli have the distinction of trading both the number one and number two overall picks from that draft?
He does. A rarity to blow 2 trades of high end players. How'd Louie Ericsson work again?
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Matthews is out tonight. :-\
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Matthews is out tonight. :-\
That sucks.
I realize that this is not news, but Mitch Marner is one shifty motherfucker. The kid looks 12 years old FFS.
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Loving the Wild/Kings unis tonight.
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Loving the Wild/Kings unis tonight.
It looked like Mardi Gras on ice.
And that goal with 0.3 second left in OT really made me want to break something. Just fucking awful!
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Very good game last night between the Oil and Leafs - and I don't say that just because of the outcome. Even at 2-0, I found it was a very well contested game on both sides, and could've gone either way - especially how the Leafs can manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Defensively, they did a great job of stymie'g the entire team, but especially McD and Draisaitl. Speaking of the latter, Schecter... did you catch the HNIC post-game show, and Friedj calling out that he only had 17-ish minutes - 5 minutes below his average. Something up there maybe? Very disciplined game by the Leafs to stay out of the penalty box. In fact, the refs did a great job letting them play - even the one penalty they did call I thought was a pussy penalty to call.
And yeah, that Marner kid is pretty good.
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By no means do I think the ship was righted, but that was a nice win by the Blues last night, all things considered.
And you gotta love Jordan Binnington (below). He knew the team needed a kick in the ass, so he stirred it up a little when leaving the ice after getting pulled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi0g4z76lPo
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Just watched the highlights of that one. Lot of greasy goals, and terrible defense - on both sides.
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Just watched the highlights of that one. Lot of greasy goals, and terrible defense - on both sides.
It was a train wreck for sure.....but I'll take the win in those train wreck games. Blues lost ANOTHER forward two minutes into the game, De Larose, to add to the injury list. Rumor is that both Paryako and Schwartz's injuries are far more serious than originally thought and both may miss the entire rest of this season. Which, if Paryako is gone then that's pretty much that. Blues can't make any type of run in the playoffs (should they make it) without him on D
Krug is going through what Faulk went through last season. He looks horrible trying to adjust to a different team/style. I'm not worried long term but right now he's a mess.
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Loving the Wild/Kings unis tonight.
It looked like Mardi Gras on ice.
And that goal with 0.3 second left in OT really made me want to break something. Just fucking awful!
Losing to the Wild this season is so much more frustrating than losing to any other team in the West right now, because of how the loses happened.
The Kings blew 3-1 leads against them, twice, and lose in OT (one of them was with less than 10 seconds in OT)
Another loss was when the Kings lost two defensemen in that game and lost two more guys after the game to COVID protocol.
This current road trip where the Wild ran off to a 3-0 lead in both games and guess what? They won in those games.
That series will probably be a difference maker between making it to post-season and not. I mean I know this Kings' team wasn't going to be favorites to make it going into this season, anyway, but so were four other teams in the West. This kind of series with Wild will be a difference maker on who gets that 4th spot.
On a side note, holy crap indeed at that 7-6 game between Blues and Sharks. Looking at that scoreboard, I'm surprised it ended in regulation.
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WTF happened to Kelly Nash? Yikes!
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Nick is slacking at keeping the thread title current. :P
Curious... who is the biggest surprise so far, now that we're most teams are about 1/3 of the way thru their season? On the good side, I think the Leafs are a (pleasant) surprise they are playing as well as they are (despite a couple of bad-beats at the hands of the Sens). Same with the Wild, Panthers and Blackhawks. Disappointments have to include the Stars, Avs, and Canucks.
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The fact that the Leafs are leading the North division is not a surprise Chad. Homer. ;D
They’ve been the best Canadian team for a few years now.
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The fact that the Leafs are leading the North division is not a surprise Chad. Homer. ;D
The fact they are leading the LEAGUE (both in total points, and points %), *is*.
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But they’re playing bantams.
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But they’re playing bantams.
That's quite a word there. Accurate though.
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Disappointments have to include the Stars, Avs, and Canucks.
While I'm disappointed with the Blues I am not very upset about it given it's apparently our turn this year to have the injury bug just decimate our team. I like the fight they're putting up but have drastically altered my expectations for this season. I'd be happy with a playoff berth.....thrilled with a second round appearance.
But I will say that I'm not surprised by the Avs and Stars lack of 'next level' play. You can go back through my comments and see that I've been skeptical all along. The one thing the 'experts' forget is you have to play the games and while those two teams have some players who are really good....they've not proven that they can get the job done. The league and the powers that be 'want' those three teams you mentioned to be in that elite tier but it's just not there yet. Gotta earn it.
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Disappointments have to include the Stars, Avs, and Canucks.
While I'm disappointed with the Blues I am not very upset about it given it's apparently our turn this year to have the injury bug just decimate our team. I like the fight they're putting up but have drastically altered my expectations for this season. I'd be happy with a playoff berth.....thrilled with a second round appearance.
But I will say that I'm not surprised by the Avs and Stars lack of 'next level' play. You can go back through my comments and see that I've been skeptical all along. The one thing the 'experts' forget is you have to play the games and while those two teams have some players who are really good....they've not proven that they can get the job done. The league and the powers that be 'want' those three teams you mentioned to be in that elite tier but it's just not there yet. Gotta earn it.
I can't say I disagree with you... but given the talent (Avs) and results last year (Stars), expectations (realistic or not) were very high for both. Avs ... I'm not convinced on Grubauer as a starter, and their defense isn't anything special. Add to that, it seems MacKinnon is taking a step backwards. Stars are old af (and looking like it), and Bishop's best years are in the rearview mirror. Plus, they are in a tough division - especially with the Hawks playing well.
As for the North, I think the Leafs over-performance can be linked with the Canucks and Habs significant under-performance (despite the latter starting like a bat out of hell). Flames to some extent as well. The Leafs have only played the Jets once so far, so the 3 games they have coming up there will be a little telling.
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I can't say I disagree with you... but given the talent (Avs) and results last year (Stars), expectations (realistic or not) were very high for both. Avs ... I'm not convinced on Grubauer as a starter, and their defense isn't anything special. Add to that, it seems MacKinnon is taking a step backwards. Stars are old af (and looking like it), and Bishop's best years are in the rearview mirror. Plus, they are in a tough division - especially with the Hawks playing well.
As for the North, I think the Leafs over-performance can be linked with the Canucks and Habs significant under-performance (despite the latter starting like a bat out of hell). Flames to some extent as well. The Leafs have only played the Jets once so far, so the 3 games they have coming up there will be a little telling.
MacKinnon is a stud....plain and simple but HE is the main cog in that machine. Some of the parts there work ok when he's not on his game or in the line up but for the most part he's the one driving that team/offense. He just makes people better and leads with a great style of play. If he's off or out then they're lost. Agree about Grubauer and their D as well.
The Stars....ehh....if not for Covid they don't even make the playoffs last year...or if they did limp in they were all injured and on a spiraling path downward. They and the AV's were the two teams that benefited the most from that Covid 'pause'. With not having to play them this season I haven't seen hardly any of their games but I doubt my opinion of them would change. Middle of the pack team that I guess could catch fire and make a go of it but I'm not impressed with their players as a whole.
As far as the Leaf's they're playing with the hand dealt to them and getting the job done. A couple hiccups here and there but they're throwing points up consistently and doing what they have to do. It'll just come down to the playoffs and if they are ready to take that next step or not as a group of guys. Just takes the right group of guys to 'buy in'...play for one another and make a run at it.
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My surprises are Florida and Chicago. Maybe Minnesota too. But everyone seems pretty much slotted about right. Yeah, I guess the Aves could be look at as disappointing. But there's a long way to go.
Is there any word on Jonathan Toews? What's the deal?
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My surprises are Florida and Chicago. Maybe Minnesota too. But everyone seems pretty much slotted about right. Yeah, I guess the Aves could be look at as disappointing. But there's a long way to go.
Is there any word on Jonathan Toews? What's the deal?
Well, before the season began, he sat out for the season due to undisclosed illness. Not much of a timetable on when he will be back.
https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/30617824/chicago-blackhawks-jonathan-toews-indefinitely-illness
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My surprises are Florida and Chicago. Maybe Minnesota too. But everyone seems pretty much slotted about right. Yeah, I guess the Aves could be look at as disappointing. But there's a long way to go.
Is there any word on Jonathan Toews? What's the deal?
Well, before the season began, he sat out for the season due to undisclosed illness. Not much of a timetable on when he will be back.
https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/30617824/chicago-blackhawks-jonathan-toews-indefinitely-illness
I know that! I guess I was asking if there were any updates or leaks.
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^^ I see. Still the same picture. Here's what Stan Bowman said regarding Toews last February.
"His status is the same as it was the last time we spoke of it, but nothing has changed as far as all these crazy things you're hearing or speculating," Bowman said. "That's not the case. But I think the important thing that we've tried to communicate to Jonathan is that just take your time, take care of yourself, when you're ready, you're ready. We'd love to welcome him back whenever that is, but until that happens we're just going to let him ... he's on his own timeline.
"We're not trying to call him daily to ask him how he's feeling, I think it's better to let him ... we know how much he loves being the leader of the team and when he's ready, he's going to be back here. We're not going to have to pull him back. So until that happens, we wish him the best and we know he'll be back when he's ready."
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/blackhawks/blackhawks-stan-bowman-provides-updates-kirby-dach-brent-seabrook-jonathan-toews
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@ Chad..
The Oilers seemed to take some liberties with Marner the other night. I hope someone on the Leafs holds them accountable tonight.
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Those golden helmets for Vegas are fucking evil!
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Big 3 game set between the Oil and Leafs starting tomorrow. If Toronto ends up sweeping, that might put them out of reach. In the division. It would put them 9pts up with games in hand.
I'm optimistic about the Oilers' play lately, so I'm wagering they go 2-1
I fucking deserve the beatings the Oilers just got these last 2 games
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@ Chad..
The Oilers seemed to take some liberties with Marner the other night. I hope someone on the Leafs holds them accountable tonight.
Haha... good one. Without Simmonds, there isn't anyone on the roster to do that. Though, tbh... I didn't see anything too out of the ordinary.
Gotta say, looks like this team finally 'gets it' defensively. To shut out a team as dangerous as the Oil with the backup, and the backup's backup is very impressive. AND without Matthews. AND holding the PP off the board. Complete and total team effort from the entire lineup - everyone played their part magnificently.
It's too bad the Atlantic wasn't intact - would love to see these Leafs going up against the Bs, Bolts, and Panthers. Those games would be something to behold.
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I just perused last night's scores... Man, the Blues nearly snatched defeat from the jaws of victory! That was close! Given how banged up they are, every W and point is going to count right now.
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I just perused last night's scores... Man, the Blues nearly snatched defeat from the jaws of victory! That was close! Given how banged up they are, every W and point is going to count right now.
Yeah....that game was over and in hand and then it got too close for comfort. But like you said....I'll take every point we can get right now no matter how ugly.
The Blues had a rookie called up playing last night, Dakota Joshua, and he scored his first NHL goal in his first NHL game. Kid was ear to ear smiling on the bench. It was cool to see.
Marco Scandella gets his two front teeth knocked out by a stick on a follow through shot......and doesn't miss a shift!! Dude was right back out there!!!
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Scandella has been taken some punishment lately. He got hit in the face with the puck against the Kings last Wednesday off a deflected shot from the glass by Sean Walker (who also recently got hit in the face with the puck and missed a few weeks). Left the game bloodied (I think. I can't recall the visuals, but I think I did see some color).
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Scandella has been taken some punishment lately. He got hit in the face with the puck against the Kings last Wednesday off a deflected shot to the glass by Sean Walker (who also recently got hit in the face with the puck and missed a few weeks). Left the game bloodied (I think. I can't recall the visuals, but I think I did see some color).
yeah....he got his nose busted open. Then, came back the next game and scored two goals :lol His first two goals with the Blues and first ever two goal game. During quarantine last season they did this digital interview with him where he basically isolated at some property he had and his workout was just walking his property chopping down trees with an Ax. :lol
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I feel like I should send a condolences card, Schecter :lol. Man, I really don't know if the Leafs were really THAT good during the mini-series, or Edmonton (partly) shat the bed... it's probably a bit of both. The Oil's weaknesses were fully exposed (weak G; lack of depth at D).
Jason Spezza is 4 points from cracking the Top 100 scorers of all time list. Man, he's having a terrific season. The way this team is playing, I hope it's not gonna disrupt them when Simmonds is healed and ready to get into the lineup.
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Bruins lost in a shootout against Washington last night. It might've been the best game of the year that I've watched. It was a playoff game big time. The intensity was incredible.
@ Gary...I saw the beginning of the Blues game last night and it looked like Krug assisted on the first two goals. But he looks really out of place.
They interviewed him on NBC talking and he really seemed like he was trying to convince himself while talking about the Blues.
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I feel like I should send a condolences card, Schecter :lol. Man, I really don't know if the Leafs were really THAT good during the mini-series, or Edmonton (partly) shat the bed... it's probably a bit of both. The Oil's weaknesses were fully exposed (weak G; lack of depth at D).
Jason Spezza is 4 points from cracking the Top 100 scorers of all time list. Man, he's having a terrific season. The way this team is playing, I hope it's not gonna disrupt them when Simmonds is healed and ready to get into the lineup.
Yeah, that was as bad a 3 game stretch the Oil have put up in a long time. And that's really saying something considering how bad this team has been in the last 10 years. I'm just glad it wasn't another shutout. I have to imagine that 3 consecutive shutouts against the same team would have been an NHL record
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I feel like I should send a condolences card, Schecter :lol. Man, I really don't know if the Leafs were really THAT good during the mini-series, or Edmonton (partly) shat the bed... it's probably a bit of both. The Oil's weaknesses were fully exposed (weak G; lack of depth at D).
Jason Spezza is 4 points from cracking the Top 100 scorers of all time list. Man, he's having a terrific season. The way this team is playing, I hope it's not gonna disrupt them when Simmonds is healed and ready to get into the lineup.
Yeah, that was as bad a 3 game stretch the Oil have put up in a long time. And that's really saying something considering how bad this team has been in the last 10 years. I'm just glad it wasn't another shutout. I have to imagine that 3 consecutive shutouts against the same team would have been an NHL record
With 3 different goalies!
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Bruins lost in a shootout against Washington last night. It might've been the best game of the year that I've watched. It was a playoff game big time. The intensity was incredible.
@ Gary...I saw the beginning of the Blues game last night and it looked like Krug assisted on the first two goals. But he looks really out of place.
They interviewed him on NBC talking and he really seemed like he was trying to convince himself while talking about the Blues.
Yeah Tim.....he’s not doing ‘bad’......has a good plus/minus......but you can tell he’s not comfortable yet. The Blues don’t have the amount of skilled players Boston had so a lot of his plays/ideas for moving the puck and generating offense cause more issues than help. I’m not worried long term.....he will get there.
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RIP to Walter. Greatest Hockey Dad of all-time. He was as much an icon in Canada as the Great One.
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^^ Yep. RIP, indeed. From what I've read, he was darn approachable as a person and, obviously, he was very proud of the accomplishments that Wayne made and taught Wayne on how to approach the game that Wayne excelled in huge portions.
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Yeah, Walter always seemed like a decent guy.
Darryl Sutter replaces Geoff Ward in Calgary.
Geoff Ward is a Cup winning Assistant and he did a great job taking over the Flames with adversity around them. Perhaps he's just not meant to be a head coach and that's ok. He won't be unemployed for long.
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So Sutter has now come back to Calgary as a coach. His last tenure in Calgary was a GM, right? During that time before he went to the Kings and be their coach.
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I just perused last night's scores... Man, the Blues nearly snatched defeat from the jaws of victory! That was close! Given how banged up they are, every W and point is going to count right now.
Yeah....that game was over and in hand and then it got too close for comfort. But like you said....I'll take every point we can get right now no matter how ugly.
The Blues had a rookie called up playing last night, Dakota Joshua, and he scored his first NHL goal in his first NHL game. Kid was ear to ear smiling on the bench. It was cool to see.
Marco Scandella gets his two front teeth knocked out by a stick on a follow through shot......and doesn't miss a shift!! Dude was right back out there!!!
Blues looked like they were in a freefall and then lost some veterans to injury...and now are on a winning streak. Crazy. Maybe it took getting a few young players in there to light a fire. And there was some chatter about some of the vets loafing it, so the injuries may have been a short term blessing in disguise. 91 should be back any time, supposedly. Can't wait to see how he looks and how his shoulder holds up. That would be huge.
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Blues looked like they were in a freefall and then lost some veterans to injury...and now are on a winning streak. Crazy. Maybe it took getting a few young players in there to light a fire. And there was some chatter about some of the vets loafing it, so the injuries may have been a short term blessing in disguise. 91 should be back any time, supposedly. Can't wait to see how he looks and how his shoulder holds up. That would be huge.
Here's the thing though.....prior to that crazy 7 games in a row against Arizona they'd beaten Vegas and Colorado and were playing great.....Vegas gets the preferential treatment from the league and gets to get a game postponed due to one guy on covid (let's not talk about Stone getting off scott free for concussing Bozak....who is STILL out) and they were looking good.
Then that series against Arizona hits and it was just crazy all around. Lost a couple one goal games and Arizona was playing good...so, it looked bad and we missed out on some points. Got in a bit of a rut for a few games....losing a couple one goal games....but....IF they can get healthy and scratch their way into the playoffs I'd say that'd be the team you wouldn't want to have to play. Binningtons win/loss doesn't look good but he's been playing rock solid. I think it's something like 5 losses this year by a goal....including two in his recent three game losing streak.
Still not excited about how many important players we have injured that aren't anywhere near coming back but and thrilled that Mikkoloa and Kyrou are 'regulars' (as they should be) and that we have some players really stepping up and filling the gaps. When Tarasenko gets back we'll be that much better. An 80% Tarasenko is better than half the players in the leagues 100% so I'll take it.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvwBMc2XMAIAtJw?format=jpg&name=900x900)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/mark-pavelich-member-of-miracle-on-ice-gold-medal-winners-found-dead/ar-BB1eiftc?li=BBnbfcL
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https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/31010243/chicago-blackhawks-defenseman-brent-seabrook-announces-retirement-15-seasons
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^^ Still has 3 years left on his current deal after this season. Do they still have to pay him? Also, that would mean the Blackhawks would put him on permanent LTIR until the contract ends or does that mean that the contract is over and it will not count against them in the cap?
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvwBMc2XMAIAtJw?format=jpg&name=900x900)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/mark-pavelich-member-of-miracle-on-ice-gold-medal-winners-found-dead/ar-BB1eiftc?li=BBnbfcL
He was reclusive and, if I recall correctly, was the only member of the MOI team (other than Mike Ramsay, who was, at the time, an assistant coach for the Wild) not to take part in festivities at the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City. I just read about his arrest in 2019 and the court's finding that he was incompetent to stand trial. Sad story. He's the second member of the MOI team to die (following Bob Suter in 2014). RIP.
^^ Still has 3 years left on his current deal after this season. Do they still have to pay him? Also, that would mean the Blackhawks would put him on permanent LTIR until the contract ends or does that mean that the contract is over and it will not count against them in the cap?
They won't have to pay him. Whether there are any future cap consequences will depend on how the contract was structured.
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Well, Florida and Vancouver still carry cap hits for Luongo. There are some really weird rules for retirement and cap hits that I don't understand. Actual payment is different - I think the player completely forgoes their salary.
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Well, Florida and Vancouver still carry cap hits for Luongo. There are some really weird rules for retirement and cap hits that I don't understand. Actual payment is different - I think the player completely forgoes their salary.
They BOTH do? Wow!
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Another epic B's/Caps game tonight!
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https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/31010243/chicago-blackhawks-defenseman-brent-seabrook-announces-retirement-15-seasons
Brent Seabrook is a POS and quite honestly it doesn’t break my heart at all that he’s physically unable to play hockey anymore. Cheap shot artist and horrible human being. May all his sins come back to haunt him heavily as he ages.
If there was a ‘spit on you’ emoji this is where I’d put it.
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Well, Florida and Vancouver still carry cap hits for Luongo. There are some really weird rules for retirement and cap hits that I don't understand. Actual payment is different - I think the player completely forgoes their salary.
They BOTH do? Wow!
https://www.tsn.ca/luongo-retires-hitting-canucks-with-3-million-cap-recapture-penalty-1.1328964
Gary.... how do you really feel??
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Gary.... how do you really feel??
Gary's three absolutes:
1. Family
2. Refs hate the Blues
3. Seabrook is a POS
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Gary.... how do you really feel??
Gary's three absolutes:
1. Family
2. Refs, NHL, and NBC hate the Blues
3. Seabrook is a POS
fix’s.
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Seabrook is an asshole of the highest order. Good riddance.
So, yeah, I stand with my fellow Blues fan. :hat :hat
Good post earlier, too, about the Blues, Gary. :tup :tup
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Gary.... how do you really feel??
Gary's three absolutes:
1. Family
2. Refs, NHL, and NBC hate the Blues
3. Seabrook is a POS
fix’s.
#1 and #2 are spot on :biggrin:
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Speaking of assholes, can Tom Wilson just be kicked out of the league?
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Speaking of assholes, can Tom Wilson just be kicked out of the league?
Right!?!? How was that NOT a penalty??
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No clue, but let's hope the league gets it right and hammers him hard with a long suspension.
In the meantime, Tarasenko is back on the ice for the Blues! :metal :metal
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In the meantime, Tarasenko is back on the ice for the Blues! :metal :metal
Hoping the Kings get the extra point. Not sure they deserve it after that rather inconsistent game, but hey....
EDIT: Hot damn!!! GKG!
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Eh, ugly way to lose, but I will take getting 3 points out of those two road games at LA (considering we almost lost in regulation Thursday).
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Eh, ugly way to lose, but I will take getting 3 points out of those two road games at LA (considering we almost lost in regulation Thursday).
Blues are 10-2-1 on the road.....I’m not too upset about it.
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Eh, ugly way to lose, but I will take getting 3 points out of those two road games at LA (considering we almost lost in regulation Thursday).
Uhhh, that game was yesterday? You had an ugly way to lose today. Kings had an ugly way to lose yesterday. Let's just call it a push. No harm.
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Last night, yes. Brain cramp. :lol
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I've been watching hockey a long time, and I've never seen this stat quantified before. they showed it during the Knights/Wild game tonight and I took a pic off my TV. It's an interesting stat.
(https://i.imgur.com/RhPfW8Y.jpg)
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Fascinating. Not surprised at Connor being #1. Brady Tkachuk does surprise me.
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I'm surprised McDavid has been called for 7 penalties. I didn't realize Speeding could get you two minutes.
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Well, that was a bummer. Losing against the Ducks 6-5 in OT. I will assure you this. No one, in their right minds, would have taken the over in goals if they were betting on this Kings/Ducks game. The previous game between them was 2-1 Ducks and the Kings didn't really put a great effort regarding offense that game. Neither Petersen or Gibson had a really strong goalie game in this game though. Coming back from 5-3 in the 3rd was a fun ride though while it lasted.
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Well, that was a bummer. Losing against the Ducks 6-5 in OT. I will assure you this. No one, in their right minds, would have taken the over in goals if they were betting on this Kings/Ducks game. The previous game between them was 2-1 Ducks and the Kings didn't really put a great effort regarding offense that game. Neither Petersen or Gibson had a really strong goalie game in this game though. Coming back from 5-3 in the 3rd was a fun ride though while it lasted.
You can probably blame me. I walked into my office yesterday, and there was a Ryan Getzlaf bobblehead on my desk with no indication where it came from. I eventually learned that one of our office assistants found it in her and her boyfriend's storage unit. She knew I was a hockey fan, so she gave it to me. I assume my failure to immediately destroy it in fire was the cause of the loss.
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Hated to see the Blues lose in OT to the Sharks, but they went 4-0-2 on a road trip. I will take that.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/report-nhl-signs-seven-year-broadcast-deal-with-espn-222207219.html
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https://sports.yahoo.com/report-nhl-signs-seven-year-broadcast-deal-with-espn-222207219.html
Ugh, I was afraid that was coming. This will now force me to watch ESPN again. :tdwn :tdwn
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https://sports.yahoo.com/report-nhl-signs-seven-year-broadcast-deal-with-espn-222207219.html
Ugh, I was afraid that was coming. This will now force me to watch ESPN again. :tdwn :tdwn
Would we finally be free of Pierre Mcguire though? Also, according to the article, it looks like ESPN owns half the rights and will air the Stanley Cup Finals for four years between 2022 and 2028. I wonder who gets the other three years?
According to Sportsnet's Chris Johnston, the NHL has signed a seven-year U.S. broadcasting rights deal with ESPN. The U.S. sports media juggernaut will own half the league's broadcasting rights throughout the life of the deal, according to Johnston.
Neither the NHL or ESPN has confirmed the agreement, which is expected to see the Stanley Cup Final aired on ESPN four times between 2022 and 2028.
At this time, it's unclear how much ESPN will pay for the rights, or which company they will timeshare with. At current moment, NBC has the exclusive national broadcasting rights in the United States.
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Apparently this is only half of their new deal. Seems NBC is still in the mix.
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Not sure, but the fact that Doc Emrick, who is on my Mount Rushmore of national sports announcers, is retired already makes this a lot easier to handle.
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Not sure, but the fact that Doc Emrick, who is on my Mount Rushmore of national sports announcers, is retired already makes this a lot easier to handle.
I never worshipped Emrick, but holy shit, compared to John Forslund and Kenny Albert, I'd take an Emrick hologram calling the games.
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Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll put Gary Thorne and Bill Clement back together.
Thorne filled in for Bob Miller on the Kings broadcasts a few years ago, and it was a seriously great blast from the past.
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That would be nice, but Gary Thorne is almost just as old as Doc Emrick, so I'm not sure if Thorne is up for the travel and the grind.
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That would be nice, but Gary Thorne is almost just as old as Doc Emrick, so I'm not sure if Thorne is up for the travel and the grind.
I don't know...one game a week? Vin Scully did full baseball seasons well past Thorne's current age.
But obviously, I don't know either whether Thorne would want to do it.
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I loved Gary Thorne. He was the best.
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Gary Thorne was good, for sure.
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Gary Thorne was my absolute favorite. People got on him for his yelling, etc. but I feel like that just added to the excitement. Nothing matched when he yelled "SCORE!" for a goal and it synced up with the sounds from the arena. It created a sense of excitement at home that put it closer to the level of being at the arena. I miss it.
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Goddamn it's frustrating being a Wings fan right now. They finally give Evgeni Svechnikov some playing time, and he responds with 4 points in 4 games playing limited minutes. So what does Jeff Blashill do? Scratches him for last night's game against Tampa. Makes absolutely zero sense. I trust in the Yzer-plan, but I don't understand why has-beens like Filppula, Nielsen, and Helm are getting playing time over young guys like Michael Rasmussen, Svechnikov, and Givani Smith. :angry:
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I have to admit that I smile every time I look at the standings and see Detroit's awful record. I will hate that team for as long as I am breathing. :censored :censored
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I have to admit that I smile every time I look at the standings and see Detroit's awful record. I will hate that team for as long as I am breathing. :censored :censored
Kinda like me with Boston!
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I'm just kinda surprised Detroit hasn't moved on from the coach.
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I think, for teams, if they want to properly do a rebuild right, there has to come a point where they are going to need to win games in streaks to show promises and start building that winning culture. You can tank as long as possible, and hope to luck out for a top pick, but you got to have a roster to show some promise and the right coach that can guide the kids and the aging veterans (that may look unmotivated) to have a winning mentality.
Otherwise, you have teams like the current Senators, Red Wings (although Stevie Y. seems to have a plan and given what he has done in Tampa Bay and his legacy with the Red Wings, I'm sure it will pan out well eventually), and Sabres or the early 2010s Oilers that seems to always get #1 in the Draft.
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Blues extend Binnington, 6 years, $36 million.
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Blues extend Binnington, 6 years, $36 million.
Just saw that. Love it.
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Blues extend Binnington, 6 years, $36 million.
Just saw that. Love it.
Yeah. I’ll take it. He’s been solid this season....five of his losses he’s held the other team to two goal or less. He’s a reliable starter and is certainly a character.
Structure of contract:
Year 1, $4 M
Year 2, $6 M
Year 3, $7.5 M
Year 4, $7.5 M
Year 5, $6.5 M
Year 6, $4.5 M
First three years full no trade. After that it’s limited to a small number of teams.
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So...here's a question for the peanut gallery:
I've noticed this season that the Kings' color analyst (Jim Fox) has been referring to Jonathan Quick as a "Hall of Fame goalie" or to Quick's "Hall of Fame career." That took me a bit by surprise, and I hadn't really given the subject any real thought. Obviously, he won two Cups and got the Conn Smythe in 2012. I see he's 27th on the all-time goalie win list, but there are lots of eligible guys ahead of him who aren't in the HOF (but also lots of guys behind him who are in).
Jim Fox is a bit of a homer, but he's also pretty realistic in most of his assessments, so I'm wondering what others think about this.
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I'm surprised to see he was only a two time all star. Is that right?
Two Cups, Two Jennings, and a Conn Smythe.
I've always considered him to be a premier goalie over the last decade. Maybe he is actually borderline, but I think I expect him to go into the Hall.
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Auston Matthews' OT goal tonight was FILTHY.
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Auston Matthews' OT goal tonight was FILTHY.
That whole final play was a trainwreck though - Leafs got luck to hold off that 3-on-2 after Reilly's stick was slashed in half (btw, how was that NOT a penalty??).
Everyone ought to watch the full highlight package of Connor Hellebucyk's performance. I can't remember the last time I saw a goalie almost steal a game like he did tonight. He stole the game on Tuesday, and nearly did it again - seriously, the Leafs could've won that on 6 or 7-2 (the Jets' 3rd / tying goal was with Hellebucyk pulled). The Leafs had 3 clear breakaways, 2 crossbars, and about another dozen 5 star chances. Also check the dangle Tavares had on their 2nd goal, he danced thru 4 Jets to feed Nylander. Ehlers' two goals were absolutely beautiful and perfect shots. This was the best game I've watched in a long time.
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I think, for teams, if they want to properly do a rebuild right, there has to come a point where they are going to need to win games in streaks to show promises and start building that winning culture. You can tank as long as possible, and hope to luck out for a top pick, but you got to have a roster to show some promise and the right coach that can guide the kids and the aging veterans (that may look unmotivated) to have a winning mentality.
Otherwise, you have teams like the current Senators, Red Wings (although Stevie Y. seems to have a plan and given what he has done in Tampa Bay and his legacy with the Red Wings, I'm sure it will pan out well eventually), and Sabres or the early 2010s Oilers that seems to always get #1 in the Draft.
The problem is Blashill, like Babcock in his later years in Detroit, seems to want to break his skill players. Grinders and defense-first (haha!) players seem to have it way easier. Young skill guys don't seem to be able to crack the lineup, despite their performance. He's messed with Anthony Mantha to the point that Mantha seems like he doesn't want the puck most nights, even though he's their best possession player. Meanwhile, guys like Darren Helm and Adam Erne can't seem to suck enough to play themselves out of the lineup. So damn frustrating. And to top it off, the Wings will probably finish with one of the three worst records in the league and somehow pick 6th because the rules for the lottery suck.
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Well, I've been reading that there are talks about the lottery rules changing where teams that wins the draft lottery can only go up 10 spots in the draft and that there are going to be only two lottery winners (instead of 3) meaning, at worst, a dead-last team can only drop as far as #3.
These lottery rules keeps getting confusing every year.
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I'm surprised to see he was only a two time all star. Is that right?
Two Cups, Two Jennings, and a Conn Smythe.
I've always considered him to be a premier goalie over the last decade. Maybe he is actually borderline, but I think I expect him to go into the Hall.
I think you're right about the ASG.
The first time I hear Fox say it, my initial thought was "nah." Maybe, but I feel like Fox is pushing it a bit too hard -- like it's obvious.
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I don't think Quick's current stats make him an shoe-in or automatic for the HOF. He could be, sure, but I don't think it should be considered a "HOF career".
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That goes back to what I was saying a few weeks back about there being no goalies since Roy, Hasek and Brodeur who are no-brainer Hall of Famers/all-time great/however I worded it. People talked like Lundqvist was so awesome, but even he only won one Vezina and never won a Cup.
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That goes back to what I was saying a few weeks back about there being no goalies since Roy, Hasek and Brodeur who are no-brainer Hall of Famers/all-time great/however I worded it. People talked like Lundqvist was so awesome, but even he only won one Vezina and never won a Cup.
Yeah, and the fact that CuJo isn't in the HHOF indicates how important trophies are. It'll be interesting to see if Hank gets in, and/or Quick. If the latter does, than Cups and trophies matter more than aggregate career performance.
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That goes back to what I was saying a few weeks back about there being no goalies since Roy, Hasek and Brodeur who are no-brainer Hall of Famers/all-time great/however I worded it. People talked like Lundqvist was so awesome, but even he only won one Vezina and never won a Cup.
Yeah, and the fact that CuJo isn't in the HHOF indicates how important trophies are. It'll be interesting to see if Hank gets in, and/or Quick. If the latter does, than Cups and trophies matter more than aggregate career performance.
Goalies with the most wins who aren't in the HOF (* denotes active):
3. Roberto Luongo - 489
5. *Marc-Andre Fleury - 478
6. *Henrik Lundqvist - 459
7. Curtis Joseph - 454
13. Chris Osgood - 401
14T. *Ryan Miller - 389
16. Mike Vernon - 385
17. John Vanbiesbrouck - 374
18. Andy Moog - 372
19. Tom Barrasso - 369
20. *Pekka Rinne - 365
21. *Carey Price - 356
22T. Evgeni Nabokov - 353
24. Cam Ward - 334
25. Nikolai Khabibulin - 333
27. *Jonathan Quick - 331
29. Sean Burke - 324
30. Mikka Kiprusoff - 319
31. Kari Lehtonen - 310
34. Olaf Kolzig - 303
35. Mike Richter - 301
The 14 players on that list who are HOF-eligible, have, between them:
- Four Vezinas (Barrasso, Vanbiesbrouck, Kolzig and Kiprusoff)
- Four Jennings Trophies (Barrasso, Moog, Osgood/Vernon and Kiprusoff)
- Two Conn Smythes (Vernon and Ward)
- 13 Stanley Cups (Osgood (3), Moog (3), Barrasso (2), Vernon (2), Ward, Khabibulin and Richter)
- A bunch of international medals (I didn't look)
Kinda hard to understand why Vernon and Barrasso aren't in. Quick has all of those things, so maybe he's a stronger candidate than I thought. Luongo will be an interesting test case. Third most wins of all time (although Fleury might knock him down to fourth). Several international medals, but ZERO NHL hardware.
And Kev's point is well-taken.
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Osgood too... though I gather the thought process is that the Ilitch family plumber could've slapped on a pair of pads and probably got almost that many wins and a couple of cups given the powerhouse that was Detroit when he played. Plus, one ring was as a backup to Vernon. Moog is interesting, since all three Cups were as a backup, but most of his career as a clear #1 starter was largely good, but rarely great (even though he was my 2nd fave goalie as a kid).
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Osgood too... though I gather the thought process is that the Ilitch family plumber could've slapped on a pair of pads and probably got almost that many wins and a couple of cups given the powerhouse that was Detroit when he played. Plus, one ring was as a backup to Vernon. Moog is interesting, since all three Cups were as a backup, but most of his career as a clear #1 starter was largely good, but rarely great (even though he was my 2nd fave goalie as a kid).
I assume that's the thinking as well. I also got the impression (as a jealous observer from afar) that Wings fans kinda felt like they won in spite of, rather than because of, Osgood.
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Osgood too... though I gather the thought process is that the Ilitch family plumber could've slapped on a pair of pads and probably got almost that many wins and a couple of cups given the powerhouse that was Detroit when he played. Plus, one ring was as a backup to Vernon. Moog is interesting, since all three Cups were as a backup, but most of his career as a clear #1 starter was largely good, but rarely great (even though he was my 2nd fave goalie as a kid).
I assume that's the thinking as well. I also got the impression (as a jealous observer from afar) that Wings fans kinda felt like they won in spite of, rather than because of, Osgood.
Osgood would have won the Conn Smythe if the Wings had repeated in 2009, and a good case can be made for him winning it in 2008 as well, as him coming on in relief of Hasek in that 2008 run was a key to their winning the Cup. In his first stint with the team, he didn't need to do much. He basically needed to pay attention in case the Wings let the puck into their defensive zone, which back then, didn't happen too often. He was cool, level-headed, and thick-skinned, which you have to be to play goalie in Detroit.
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Osgood was awesome at giving up the occasional goal from center ice. :lol :lol
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Osgood was awesome at giving up the occasional goal from center ice. :lol :lol
He was trying to one-up Jon Casey. :lol :lol
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I will always have a soft spot for Jon Casey. Sure, he gave up that goal to Yzerman in Game 7 (that was not a weak goal to let in; it was just a bad ass shot by Yzerman), but after that asswipe Kypreos took out Grant Fuhr with a cheap shot early in round 1, Casey played great in relief before that loss to the Red Wings. They never get to a Game 7 against that Red Wings team without Casey being money (Game 2 vs Detroit notwithstanding).
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I will always have a soft spot for Jon Casey. Sure, he gave up that goal to Yzerman in Game 7 (that was not a weak goal to let in; it was just a bad ass shot by Yzerman), but after that asswipe Kypreos took out Grant Fuhr with a cheap shot early in round 1, Casey played great in relief before that loss to the Red Wings. They never get to a Game 7 against that Red Wings team without Casey being money (Game 2 vs Detroit notwithstanding).
Watch that game. They don’t get to the OT in that game without Casey. It should have been 4 or 5 to nothing after the first period. Dude stood on his head that game. Blues blew three GOLDEN opportunities to win that game prior to the now famous Yzerman shot. That loss was far from Casey’s fault......if anything it was that fossil Anderson who missed two of the three wide open goals.
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I look at that Yzerman goal, here and there sometimes, and when he shot it from the blue line, there was 3-4 Blues players around him. If they thought he was going to a shot from that area, wouldn't they have done something to make sure it wasn't the perfect opportunity for Yzerman to take the shot? I wouldn't really want to put that one on the goalie.
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Watch that game. They don’t get to the OT in that game without Casey. It should have been 4 or 5 to nothing after the first period. Dude stood on his head that game. Blues blew three GOLDEN opportunities to win that game prior to the now famous Yzerman shot. That loss was far from Casey’s fault......if anything it was that fossil Anderson who missed two of the three wide open goals.
I don't remember much of the game (I have refused to watch it again since), but I trust that what you are saying is correct.
I look at that Yzerman goal, here and there sometimes, and when he shot it from the blue line, there was 3-4 Blues players around him. If they thought he was going to a shot from that area, wouldn't they have done something to make sure it wasn't the perfect opportunity for Yzerman to take the shot? I wouldn't really want to put that one on the goalie.
I don't put blame on anyone for that goal. Sometimes a guy makes an all-time play and you just have to tip your cap. And that is what Yzerman did there.
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Looking at that list is relevant to something I've actually been thinking about recently, and I almost threw it out there ITT.
Marc-Andre Fleury..HOFer?
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Looking at that list is relevant to something I've actually been thinking about recently, and I almost threw it out there ITT.
Marc-Andre Fleury..HOFer?
He'll be #3 on the all time win list when he retires. He's got three Cups and five SCF appearances (with him being the #1 goalie and a critical piece of the team for the first Cup and first two SCF appearances. He backstopped an expansion team to the SCF. And he's got an Olympic gold medal. Interestingly, Fleury and Quick are tied for 34th on the all-time save percentage leader board.
No Vezina or Jennings, but I think you'd be hard pressed not to put him in.
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Not sure MAF has ever even been a Vezina finalist, but I suspect he will make due to all of that postseason success, his large body of work (all of those wins), and the lack of his era having a dominant goalie ala Roy, Hasek or Brodeur. If we argued about who the best goalie is of the last 10-12 years, he'd have about as good a case as anyone.
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Of the active goalies, I think Fleury, Quick, and Lundqvist are definite Hall of Famers. As Kev stated, this era really didn’t have a dominant goalie, but these three are the closest thing to it. Price and Rinne could get in as well. And for the non-active goalies, IMO Luongo is unquestionably a Hall of Famer.
Also, looking at pg’s list, Mike Richter is already in the Hall of Fame since 2008.
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Luongo goes in on the first ballot. I think MAF will, too, when his time comes.
I'm not so sure about Quick. I feel like he was one of the most feared goalies for a 4-5 year stretch (a la Hasek back in the day), but otherwise just a good goalie the other years. Although, definitely surprised he's where he is on the all time wins leaderboard.
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The fact that Mark Stone gets to keep playing hockey after cheap shorting Bozak two months ago and concussing him.....no games served on suspension......still ticks me off. Why irks me even more is that we didn’t bring up a scrub to drill him and take him out.
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Osgood too... though I gather the thought process is that the Ilitch family plumber could've slapped on a pair of pads and probably got almost that many wins and a couple of cups given the powerhouse that was Detroit when he played. Plus, one ring was as a backup to Vernon. Moog is interesting, since all three Cups were as a backup, but most of his career as a clear #1 starter was largely good, but rarely great (even though he was my 2nd fave goalie as a kid).
I assume that's the thinking as well. I also got the impression (as a jealous observer from afar) that Wings fans kinda felt like they won in spite of, rather than because of, Osgood.
I'll defer to Rom, but I agree with this. From a non-Detroit vantage point, Osgood was a capable and competent goalie. Nothing terribly more, nothing much less. I don't have much recollection of the 08/09 back-to-back with Pitt - I just remember they were very entertaining series'
Luongo goes in on the first ballot. I think MAF will, too, when his time comes.
I'm not so sure about Quick. I feel like he was one of the most feared goalies for a 4-5 year stretch (a la Hasek back in the day), but otherwise just a good goalie the other years. Although, definitely surprised he's where he is on the all time wins leaderboard.
On this, I agree fully.
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The fact that Mark Stone gets to keep playing hockey after cheap shorting Bozak two months ago and concussing him.....no games served on suspension......still ticks me off. Why irks me even more is that we didn’t bring up a scrub to drill him and take him out.
I hear that.
Wasn't thrilled to lose in OT last night, but after falling behind early, it was nice to see a spirited comeback and a good fight to the finish. Vegas is a tough team to beat.
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The fact that Mark Stone gets to keep playing hockey after cheap shorting Bozak two months ago and concussing him.....no games served on suspension......still ticks me off. Why irks me even more is that we didn’t bring up a scrub to drill him and take him out.
I hear that.
Wasn't thrilled to lose in OT last night, but after falling behind early, it was nice to see a spirited comeback and a good fight to the finish. Vegas is a tough team to beat.
Yeah they are but they’re not invincible like they’re pimped out to be.
Vegas still hasn’t beaten the Blues in regulation. Blues are 6-0-4 against them historically.
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Also, looking at pg’s list, Mike Richter is already in the Hall of Fame since 2008.
Then someone should let whomever maintains the HHOF website know: https://www.hhof.com/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/LegendsMembersByName.jsp?type=Player#R (as well as Hockey Reference and pretty much every other internet source).
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Vegas still hasn’t beaten the Blues in regulation. Blues are 6-0-4 against them historically.
Let's make that 7-0-4 later today. :hat
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Also, looking at pg’s list, Mike Richter is already in the Hall of Fame since 2008.
Then someone should let whomever maintains the HHOF website know: https://www.hhof.com/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/LegendsMembersByName.jsp?type=Player#R (as well as Hockey Reference and pretty much every other internet source).
He was inducted to the US Hockey Hall of Fame. Which shouldn't be too hard to get in to. :neverusethis:
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I guess we jinxed the Blues. :facepalm: :facepalm:
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I guess we jinxed the Blues. :facepalm: :facepalm:
No. That game was lost before it started by the decision to start Husso. Horrible decision by Berube. Binnington had five days off....played last night......should have played again.
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Well... the Jets did to the Leafs pretty much what the Leafs did to the Oil. Took 5 points over 3 game. >:( They just didn't have that certain je ne c'est quois last night. Then those 2 bullshit penalties at the end capped off any chance of a tying it up. They better put a stompin on Ottawa tonight, or it's gonna be a long 4-day break. 1-4 in their last 5, and Freddie has not looked terribly impressive at all. Not good for the team, and not good for him in a contract year. :(
Calgary is looking pretty good under Sutter.
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I guess we jinxed the Blues. :facepalm: :facepalm:
No. That game was lost before it started by the decision to start Husso. Horrible decision by Berube. Binnington had five days off....played last night......should have played again.
I suppose. I don't put the loss on Husso, but it seems like Berube likes each goalie playing one game when they are doing games on back to back nights.
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Osgood was awesome at giving up the occasional goal from center ice. :lol :lol
He was trying to one-up Jon Casey. :lol :lol
Dan Cloutier was the champ though. That goal he gave up to Nicklas Lidstrom in game three of the 2002 Western Conference Quarterfinal series broke the Canucks and broke his career.
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Osgood was awesome at giving up the occasional goal from center ice. :lol :lol
He was trying to one-up Jon Casey. :lol :lol
Dan Cloutier was the champ though. That goal he gave up to Nicklas Lidstrom in game three of the 2002 Western Conference Quarterfinal series broke the Canucks and broke his career.
LOL...he was with the Kings for a brief and painful time. Saw so many memes like this:
(https://smartcdn.prod.postmedia.digital/theprovince/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/beachball.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=400)
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Man, the goalies for the Kings in the mid-2000s to late 00s like Dan Cloutier before Quick established himself as the starter was just painful. A horrifying revolving door. That's something you'd like to see when you started getting into this team and into the sport. Makes you think things cannot get worst and can only get better at that time.
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Man, the goalies for the Kings in the mid-2000s to late 00s like Dan Cloutier before Quick established himself as the starter was just painful. A horrifying revolving door. That's something you'd like to see when you started getting into this team and into the sport. Makes you think things cannot get worst and can only get better at that time.
Tell me about it.
In 2001-02, the Kings used only two goalies: Felix Potvin and Jamie Storr. The following season, it was the same two plus Cristobal Huet. For the next however many seasons until Quick became the established #1, we had the likes of:
Roman Cechmanek
Mathieu Chouinard
Milan Hnilicka
Mathieu Garon
Jason LaBarbera
Adam Hauser
Sean "Older Than I Am" Burke
Dan "Beachball" Cloutier
Barry Brust
Yutaka Fukufuji (we were actually excited about this guy!)
Erik Ersberg
Jean-Sebastien Aubin
Daniel Taylor
and, of course...
Jonathan Bernier (some Kings fans were STILL calling for him to be the starter over Quick even after they won the Cup in 2012!)
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Sounds eerily similar to the Leafs revolving door of goaltenders after Belfour left in '06, until they signed Freddie in '16.
Mikael Tellqvist
Jean Sebastien Aubin
Andrew (Red Light) Raycroft
Vessa Toskala
Martin Gerber
CuJo (back for another taste!)
Jonas Gustavsson
Jean-Sebastien Giguere
James Reimer (who can rot in hell alongside Kerry Fraser :angry: ;))
Ben Scrivens
Jonathan Bernier
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This is horrible.....poor kid was 19. And watching the play he got hit with the puck on it's just a random deal, not even a real 'shot'.....just a dump in.
https://sports.yahoo.com/russian-hockey-player-timur-faizutdinov-dies-at-19-after-being-hit-in-the-head-by-a-puck-144747566.html
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I'd heard about this. Just awful to have such a freak thing happen to a kid. Heartbreaking
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Yeah, that is awful. I really am amazed more players don't get seriously injured when you see how often they dive in front of shots. Hockey players have balls as big as church bells to do that on a regular basis.
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Oh damn.
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Rangers with their coaching staff: Wildly inconsistent with their top players barely producing.
Rangers with Hartford’s coaching staff: Blow out the playoff contending, rival Flyers 9-0. Star center Mika Zibanejad gets a hat trick after being mostly absent from the scoresheet this year.
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Blues are a MESS. They have zero identity as a team. One moment they're taking 12 of 16 possible points on the road....the next moment they look like they've never played hockey before. Now, they have been hit by the injury bug pretty hard this season but that's still no excuse to play as 'soft' as they've played this season.
It's painfully obvious they miss that veteran leadership of Petrangelo, Steen and Boumeester. Paryako was supposed to fill the void physically for Petro on D which he's more than capable of doing. He was really 'the' only player that we couldn't afford to lose this season and he's been out now for three weeks with no indication of when he's coming back. He has a bulging disc in his back and it's just not good. As the Blues have proven, we have the players to fulfill the 'next man up' mentality but losing Paryako was/is brutal. Him being gone drastically alters the defense.
That being said it's no excuse as to why the Blues refuse to play as a team. It's a bunch of dudes playing an individual game night in and night out. After watching them play as a group of guys with a common goal that are playing for one another the year they won they cup.....it's simple to recognize when your team isn't all pulling on the same rope at the same time......and it's infuriating to watch.
I'll consider a playoff berth our 'cup' this season.....because if I had to bet right now I'd bet $100 that they miss the playoffs by 6 or 8 pts. They're just an average team playing average hockey at best with no real signs of turning the corner.
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Sadly, I agree with all of that. They are a mess (I said those exact words to a co-worker today), and I am not sure it is fixable this season.
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Damn... once the injuries pile up, and a team starts a downward spiral like that, it's hard to stop swirling. Leafs have 2 games B2B against the Flames, then another 5 days off. Going 1-5 into this 4-day break I hope was a wakeup call. Their injuries are quite as debilitating as what you guys seem to have gone thru, but Freddie isn't right; neither is Matthews. Simmonds was playing great in a 2nd/3rd line character role, so his presence will be welcomed back. Tonight and tomorrow are going to be an indicator of things to come, methinks.
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Alice In Chains should record a dark scary song for the Kraken. Whenever I think of that team I hum the intro to The Thing That Should Not Be.
I just listened to AIC's Hollow. That intro music would be great at a Kraken game.
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^^ Yeah, sure. Why not? Have a very well known kickass band in the area do something to get people pumped at the start at Kraken games. The Sharks come out to Seek & Destroy.
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Bad puck luck for Anderson and the Leafs last night, to have 2 goals sneak thru from long distance, ricocheting off your own D-men. :-\ They were the better team last night (but still didn’t play terribly well); just didn’t get the better luck. Dem’s da breaks. Gotta work their way out of this slump.
I’ll torture myself and watch tonight. Probably with a few beers.
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The Blues eked out a shootout win over the Sharks. Yippee. This team appears destined to either lose their playoff spot to the Kings, or hang on to that last spot and get pummeled by Vegas in the first round. Be interesting to see if Armstrong makes a move or two before the trade deadline, as this team clearly needs a jolt.
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B's postpones 2 upcoming games because of Covid protocols.
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The Blues eked out a shootout win over the Sharks. Yippee. This team appears destined to either lose their playoff spot to the Kings, or hang on to that last spot and get pummeled by Vegas in the first round. Be interesting to see if Armstrong makes a move or two before the trade deadline, as this team clearly needs a jolt.
Oh, the Blues are going to be fine. They will secure that 4th spot unless they really suck more than the Kings in the remaining games. I just don't know how the Kings are going to get that spot. Still got 4 games against the Avs and 5 against the Golden Knights. Not going to be a good time for those games. They can pummel the Ducks and Sharks more. That would be fun and more enjoyable for me. Golden Knights are rolling as expected. They are playing like their window and time is now.
I don't think Rob Blake is going to add at the deadline. Even if the Kings have the space and the assets to make the move, I'm going to ask the question, "Would this move be good enough to beat the Golden Knights now, make it to the playoffs, and beat the Golden Knights in a playoff series?" If the answer is no, then there's no point and they should stand pat and continue getting our younger players some more games in and build that competitive drive and confidence and focus on the off-season on what they can improve and add to the roster.
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The hits just keep on coming for the Blues. Oscar Sundquist out for the season with a torn ACL. Awkward hit from behind by his own team mate Clifford. Sundquist is a jack of all trades.....plays a mean PK and it IMO one of the most valuable and versatile players on the Blues team. His absence, along with Paryako’s effectively ends any chance of the Blues doing anything of meaning this season. Just brutal.
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Jack Campbell with back-to-back shutouts (albeit, 9 games apart!), while Freddie has been running at an .860 save percentage during their 1-6 slump. This better be Campbell's cage to tend until he proves otherwise,
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The hits just keep on coming for the Blues. Oscar Sundquist out for the season with a torn ACL. Awkward hit from behind by his own team mate Clifford. Sundquist is a jack of all trades.....plays a mean PK and it IMO one of the most valuable and versatile players on the Blues team. His absence, along with Paryako’s effectively ends any chance of the Blues doing anything of meaning this season. Just brutal.
As we discussed offline, a big loss, yes. But hey, we got a win over the Sharks tonight which should help in getting that playoff spot to ensure that 1st round knockout. :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Your situation reminds me of a comment that one of the HNIC broadcasters made about Vancouver / Thatcher Demko. "He'll just drag them to a worse draft pick". :lol
Ya never know guys... all ya gotta do is get to the dance, then anything can happen.
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Your situation reminds me of a comment that one of the HNIC broadcasters made about Vancouver / Thatcher Demko. "He'll just drag them to a worse draft pick". :lol
Ya never know guys... all ya gotta do is get to the dance, then anything can happen.
Yeah. True. It’s tough to envision though with guys like Sundquist and Parayko out for the rest of the year. Literally ANY other two players I could imagine it but those two are just vital cogs in the Blues machine. Would love to be surprised though.
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Sharks missing the playoffs two years in a row. First time since 95-97. :facepalm:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4a/36/e7/4a36e78a53de4bac7ae2f59417b4cbe2.jpg)
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Sharks missing the playoffs two years in a row. First time since 95-97. :facepalm:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4a/36/e7/4a36e78a53de4bac7ae2f59417b4cbe2.jpg)
All of these work:
;D :D ;) :biggrin: :) :lol :tup :metal :laugh: :loser: :heart
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Blues and Hockey Legend Bob Plager was killed today in a car accident on a highway in St. Louis. He was the ultimate Defender and teammate......LOVED the Blues and was a great ambassador for the sport. Raised countless dollars for charity in St. Louis and my boys and I were lucky enough to have met him and hang out with him in a private suite in October of 2019.
(https://i.imgur.com/51WtKCH.jpg)
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Oh wow, that's tragic.
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You guys see this story?
https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/why-tim-peels-hot-mic-incident-should-have-long-term-implications-on-nhl-officiating/
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You guys see this story?
https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/why-tim-peels-hot-mic-incident-should-have-long-term-implications-on-nhl-officiating/
I saw the NHL's statement yesterday but didn't know what had happened. I finally heard it today at lunch. As the article notes, he was apparently about to retire, so it probably won't really affect him in terms of salary and pension, but what a dumbass thing to do. It would be VERY different if he had said, "I wanted to call a penalty early to keep the game under control from the start," but to say that he wanted to call a penalty against one team right from the outset of the game is bad.
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I read the headlines about it in some various tweets. Now, most likely, I think the NHL will want to sweep this under the rug as quick as possible which they hope they will accomplish by saying that Tim Peel will not referee a NHL game ever again, and think that this incident is just isolated and that not all refs will have that same mindset. I would think various parties would not want the NHL to stop at that and if handled incorrectly, this could get ugly pretty fast.
People are already pissed at refs in general. Stuff like this would get people even more pissed at them. I get it. It's a tough job to do that regular people would not want to do and this is a pretty precarious position to be in right now.
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Tim Peel is one of the most respected Referees in the NHL from players and coaches alike. I listed all day to sports talk radio with multiple former players coming to his defense essentially saying what he said has been said by every referee for the past 50 years. Also, it was a hot mix that cut him off in mid sentence.
I’m not saying what he did was right or shouldn’t be punishable in some manner. But the only story here is the fact he had a hot mic that unfortunately caught a part of a private conversation.
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Blues and Hockey Legend Bob Plager was killed today in a car accident on a highway in St. Louis. He was the ultimate Defender and teammate......LOVED the Blues and was a great ambassador for the sport. Raised countless dollars for charity in St. Louis and my boys and I were lucky enough to have met him and hang out with him in a private suite in October of 2019.
(https://i.imgur.com/51WtKCH.jpg)
Yep, sad day for Blues fans everywhere. A true Blues legend. R.I.P.
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At least the man met the Millers. We should all be so lucky.
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At least the man met the Millers. We should all be so lucky.
One day my friend.....we will share a warm embrace.....
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At least the man met the Millers. We should all be so lucky.
One day my friend.....we will share a warm embrace.....
Missouri is on the list. My wife is totally on board. I was born in Kansas City so it's a bucket list trip. And my son wants to see the Arch.
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I thought this was a good article on the practice of refs trying to keep calls "even" https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/hockey-refs-are-out-to-get-you-if-they-already-got-the-other-guy/
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I thought this was a good article on the practice of refs trying to keep calls "even" https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/hockey-refs-are-out-to-get-you-if-they-already-got-the-other-guy/
I totally read this as coming from Five/Eight at first and had to do 5 takes and finally click on the link to understand what was actually going on. :lol
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So I'm looking at the scoreboards around the league and noted that the Rangers are decimating the Flyers again. That's quite a note to read.
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Barry Trotz just pulled his pants down and showed the Bruins his ass again tonight.
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Blues outshoot the Wild 85-4, yet lose 2-0. :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Blues outshoot the Wild 85-4, yet lose 2-0. :facepalm: :facepalm:
Similar thing happened in back to back games against the Sharks for the Kings in the last few days.
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Blues outshoot the Wild 85-4, yet lose 2-0. :facepalm: :facepalm:
Could be worse.... Like the Flames losing back to back against the Sens
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Sabres lose again, though not for lack of effort - 36 SOG.
Leafs barely scrape by the Sens in OT. Why is it (seemingly) no-name goalies turn into Vezina candidates against the Leafs. This is the second game in a row against the Sens they get a nobody goalie, who stonewalls them.
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Man I will never get tired of seeing the Rangers beat the absolute shit out of the Flyers.
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This will likely rankle romdrums, but there is an Avalanche starting to form. Getting healthy and starting to dominate. They toyed with the first place Golden Knights last night.....and have now leapfrogged them in the West.
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Sure would've been nice to get the Oil playing their 4th game in 6, and straight from a B2B travel day tomorrow night. But alas, Canadiens and COVID fucked that up. Here's hoping the Leafs can get their heads out of their asses.
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This will likely rankle romdrums, but there is an Avalanche starting to form. Getting healthy and starting to dominate. They toyed with the first place Golden Knights last night.....and have now leapfrogged them in the West.
;D
Actually, it's nice to see the Avs catching fire. I hope the Red Wings can do a rebuild like the Avs did. They just need their own MacKinnon, Landeskog, Rantanen and Makar. ;) Joe Sakic has done a great job as the GM and I hope, someday, the Wings and Avs meet in the Stanley Cup Final. Then I'll be rankled!
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Also, happy 24th anniversary of one of the greatest hockey games in NHL history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Avalanche–Detroit_Red_Wings_brawl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFNh6aRqocQ
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/9ef0f9c393fb10839445713b2a1bd3083e5e6ed5/c=0-0-1398-790/local/-/media/2016/10/17/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/636123129917333645-DFP-0315-mccarty-pun-1-.JPG)
(https://www.denverpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/patrick-roy-02.jpg?w=1024&h=786)
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Barry Trotz just pulled his pants down and showed the Bruins his ass again tonight.
Is Krejci done? His numbers look subpar. Do B's fans miss Chara?
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Barry Trotz just pulled his pants down and showed the Bruins his ass again tonight.
Is Krejci done? His numbers look subpar. Do B's fans miss Chara?
Is Krejci done? Good question. His contract is up at the end of this season. I expect Sweeney to move on from him as he did with Chara.
He has played fine this year. He's slipped but his play has not fallen off a cliff like his production would lead you to think.
Do the fans miss Chara? Sure, but his play had really dropped off. Plus he was the Captain and such a leader in the room. Sweeney really wanted to incorporate his younger guys into the mix.
Has it worked? Well, Charlie MacAvoy has been great. Their 2nd best d-man is Brandon Carlo, but he's out hurt.
They let Krug walk. They actually offered more than they really wanted to pay, but the Blues definitely showed him the money. They thought Matt Gryzelcyk could play that role, but he's no Krug.
The young guys have played OK. Jeremy Lauzon was playing the best out of them but he's out hurt. Jakob Zboril (2015 1st Rd pick), who is finally getting a shot, and has been just OK. With the injuries, he's been exposed a bit.
Personally, I agreed with letting Chara walk. Sweeney had some balls putting trust into his young guys and coaching staff. The Bruins problem right now is injuries, with Rask being out is really hurting them. Halak has not played well this year, as you saw last night.
It's the last year of Tuukka's contract too, but I think he'll re-sign.
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The B's do need a top 6 scorer. One line can't so it all in the playoffs. It's been proven with the B's for a while though.
Tim, what the hell is going on with Coyle? He can't score in the ocean these days.
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Coyle has played much better the last couple of weeks. I thought he was their best player last night.
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Eric Staal to the Canadiens for a 3rd and a 5th.
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Why is it (seemingly) no-name goalies turn into Vezina candidates against the Leafs.
Well, Mike Smith isn’t a no-name, but at 39 years old, he turned back the clock a decade with some absolute robbery last night. I’m not being hyperbolic to say it could’ve been 6-3 or 7-3 - Leafs hit the iron 3 times, Smith stoned Matthews 3 times, and Mariner on a 2-on-1. Not at all surprised it was a greasy fluke that won it.
Very entertaining game.
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They should've had 3-3 overtime decades ago
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They should've had 3-3 overtime decades ago
Can you imagine Gretzky, Kurri, and Coffey in OT? DAMN!
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They should've had 3-3 overtime decades ago
Can you imagine Gretzky, Kurri, and Coffey in OT? DAMN
Any era. Lemieux and Jagr? Who even cares who's on D with those guys. Watching Matthews, Marner, McDavid and Draisaitl all line up in OT is ridiculous. I would almost support 4 on 4 full time.
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The Buffalo Sabres (who haven't appeared in the playoffs in 10 years) are now so close to breaking the all-time record for longest losing streak. It looked pretty certain that they would win tonight seeing as how they were up 3-0 at the start of the 3rd period, then 3-1 with just 9 minutes to go, and then 3-2 with a Sabres player shooting at an empty net close range, but of course they blew it. As someone on their Facebook page commented, their losing streak is now old enough to buy cigarettes! Seeing as how the Blues are about to see a lot of Vegas, Colorado, and Minnesota, I'm worried that their losing streak will grow to monstrous proportions as well.
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The Buffalo Sabres (who haven't appeared in the playoffs in 10 years) are now so close to breaking the all-time record for longest losing streak. It looked pretty certain that they would win tonight seeing as how they were up 3-0 at the start of the 3rd period, then 3-1 with just 9 minutes to go, and then 3-2 with a Sabres player shooting at an empty net close range, but of course they blew it. As someone on their Facebook page commented, their losing streak is now old enough to buy cigarettes! Seeing as how the Blues are about to see a lot of Vegas, Colorado, and Minnesota, I'm worried that their losing streak will grow to monstrous proportions as well.
That was a heartbreaking loss. I won't say I'm a Buffalo fan, even though I live just down the road from Buffalo, and share season's tickets at the Keybank. But man, what a bad beat. jingle.daughter and I were following the 3rd period, and watched the last few minutes and OT after the Oil/Leaf game. Just brutal
As for a few more dream-team 3-3 lineups:
Kane-Toews-Keith (in their prime)
Crosby-Malkin-Letang (in their prime)
Lindross-Leclair-Dejardins
Sakic-Forsberg-Ozolinsch
Yzerman-Federov-Lindstrom
Janney-Borque-Neely
Selanne-Steen-Housley
Gilmour-Mullen-MacInnis
Trottier-Bossy-Potvin
Lafleur-Lemaire-Robinson
Espisoto-Bucyk-Orr
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Seeing as how the Blues are about to see a lot of Vegas, Colorado, and Minnesota, I'm worried that their losing streak will grow to monstrous proportions as well.
Yeah....as I posted a few pages ago.....they've been a mess all year. The injury bug really derailed their season BUT that is no excuse for uninspired, lifeless hockey. There are maybe two players on our team that look to give a crap.....the others are just skating around with zero desire to go 'all in' for the team. Just a bunch of dudes collecting a paycheck.
When you witness 'your' team click....buy in to a message and play for one another the way the Blues did in 2019 or pretty much any team who wins the Cup does.....when they aren't doing that it's glaringly obvious and it will drive you insane as a fan. The Blues do not have the leadership in the locker room or a message from the Coach they all will drink the kool aid on to have the chance to turn the season around. They may squeak into that 4th spot by some miracle but it'll be a short lived first round loss. Personally, I'd like to see them miss the playoffs because they honestly don't deserve to go the way they've been F'n around.
Funny part is I don't even give a :censored at this point. Don't get mad at their losses or blown chances.....just see it as a learning experience for the young guys and a wake up call for the vets.
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Well...the Kings are doing their damndest to ensure there's no heartburn among Blues fans about the latter team making the playoffs. Sigh....
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Well...the Kings are doing their damndest to ensure there's no heartburn among Blues fans about the latter team making the playoffs. Sigh....
If I'm a Blues fan, I'd be on the lookout on the Coyotes leapfrogging them rather than the Kings doing it (which just makes me so frustrated as well..... for so many reasons).
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Well...the Kings are doing their damndest to ensure there's no heartburn among Blues fans about the latter team making the playoffs. Sigh....
If I'm a Blues fan, I'd be on the lookout on the Coyotes leapfrogging them rather than the Kings doing it (which just makes me so frustrated as well..... for so many reasons).
yep. Arizona is the team that will most likely get the 4th slot. I say that only because they look and play hungry. Unlike the Blues who look and play lazy
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I was reading on TSN that Shayne Gostisbehere could be placed on waivers. Did I miss something? Wasn't he all the rage just a couple of years ago for the Flyers?
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I was reading on TSN that Shayne Gostisbehere could be placed on waivers. Did I miss something? Wasn't he all the rage just a couple of years ago for the Flyers?
Yeah... I remember that - mostly because I chose him in my hockey pool over Brent Burns (thought it would be Ghost's breakout year), and it was the difference between first and 4th place. $1,400 vs $200. :facepalm:
Also, really - REALLY - annoyed about the COVID rescheduling this week. Instead of the Leafs getting the Oil tired, and on a b2b travel day, Montreal got them that way, and whooped 'em 4-0. :angry:
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Aren't you guys like 6-1-2 against the Oilers? Stop complaining!
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Aren't you guys like 6-1-2 against the Oilers? Stop complaining!
Yeah, but the last two games was an even split - both the Leafs and Oil walked away with 3 points.
EVERY POINT MATTERS! Just let me have my Gary-esque bitching moment!!! :lol
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I just looked at the standings, and it's really quite amazing that all four divisions have a clear delineation of the Top-3, then 2-3 teams fighting for 4th, and then the basement dwellers. Colorado is on a fucking roll!
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Strong game by the Leafs last night to stymie the Jets, and hold the line for the last 10 mins of the 3rd. These are the kinds of strong defensive performances necessary to be a contender - and necessary when the PP is on an 0-22 streak! I just hope Campbell's minor ailments don't derail him while the diagnosis on Freddie's injury is still a big fucking question mark.
And, yay Buffalo.
Nick, you should feel shame. :lol
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Aren't you guys like 6-1-2 against the Oilers? Stop complaining!
Yeah, but the last two games was an even split - both the Leafs and Oil walked away with 3 points.
EVERY POINT MATTERS! Just let me have my Gary-esque bitching moment!!! :lol
I hope the Leafs keep their heads up around McDavid.
(https://i.imgur.com/RvRqiVn.gif)
Word has it the Department of Player Safety will be sending him a strongly worded text regarding the incident.
:facepalm:
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I heard he got the frowning of a lifetime!
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I heard he got the frowning of a lifetime!
George Parros is said to have twirled his mustache in dismay.
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Aren't you guys like 6-1-2 against the Oilers? Stop complaining!
Yeah, but the last two games was an even split - both the Leafs and Oil walked away with 3 points.
EVERY POINT MATTERS! Just let me have my Gary-esque bitching moment!!! :lol
I hope the Leafs keep their heads up around McDavid.
(https://i.imgur.com/RvRqiVn.gif)
Word has it the Department of Player Safety will be sending him a strongly worded text regarding the incident.
:facepalm:
He got a $5k fine. MacKinnon also got a $5k fine for doing the following below as well. At 0:24 in the video. In a slaughterfest where the Avs owned the Coyotes 9-3. No gif yet that I found yet, sadly.
Nathan MacKinnon Tosses Helmet At Conor Garland And Gets 10-Minute Misconduct (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsCXAzrSM5g)
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That McDavid hit is childs play to the cheap shot Mark Stone laid on Tyler Bozak in January.......not a fine....penalty, nothing. Bozak missed over two months with a concussion while Stone got to keep playing.
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Considering McDavid made contact with the shoulder first, I'm surprised he even received the paltry fine they handed down. Sure, he caught him with a backhand to the face on the follow through, but there are far worse incidents. McKinnon's helmet throw is worse, if you ask me.
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That McDavid hit is childs play to the cheap shot Mark Stone laid on Tyler Bozak in January.......not a fine....penalty, nothing. Bozak missed over two months with a concussion while Stone got to keep playing.
That one was brutal.
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Honestly, I don’t even thing McJesus deserves a frowning for that. It was a 2 min minor. That’s all. This is much ado about nothing. Kotkiniemi should’ve got 2 for embellishment imo.
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I was watching the game and saw it happen. All penalties are deserved for McDavid on that play. It was a flagrant foul.
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I was watching the game and saw it happen. All penalties are deserved for McDavid on that play. It was a flagrant foul.
Agreed completely. But I don't think any discipline was necessary from DPS
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Another solid game to take the extra point from Winnipeg - which gives the Leafs a 4 point buffer on both the Jets and Oil... with a game in hand over both. Even going 10 games, and 0-for-26 on the PP - and the Leafs are 6-3-1 in those 10 games. Just thinking if they could've had 3 or 4 PP goals in that stretch, they might be a few more points up on them.
I think it's all but guaranteed it'll be Toronto, Edmonton, Winnipeg and Montreal in the North playoffs. The Habs have 9 OTL points - they just can't seem to pull the final trigger on those tie games. They're 6 behind Edm/Wpg, and have 5 games in hand over both. Vancouver and Calgary look done.
Rumour mill is churning that the Leafs may be interested in Linus Ullmark if Freddie's situation remains questionable. Campbell has proved himself (8-0-0 so far, with a .951 SA). But the last thing the team wants is to be in the situation that Colorado was in (literally) last year where their top-2 goalies go down, and they have to rely on Hutchinson. Speaking of the Avs, they just lept past Vegas for the West lead. Guess they are the real deal.
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If this downward spiral continues and the Blues do end up missing the playoffs, I can't help but wonder if Berube will be the fall guy for it. That would be a kick in the nuts, given that he led the team to their first (and long awaited) Cup victory two years ago, but he wouldn't be the first hockey coach to win a Cup and be the fall guy when struggles happen shortly thereafter, so anything is possible, I suppose.
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If this downward spiral continues and the Blues do end up missing the playoffs, I can't help but wonder if Berube will be the fall guy for it. That would be a kick in the nuts, given that he led the team to their first (and long awaited) Cup victory two years ago, but he wouldn't be the first hockey coach to win a Cup and be the fall guy when struggles happen shortly thereafter, so anything is possible, I suppose.
He’s got one year left on his contract. They’ll keep him around. There are several players who just aren’t playing good with binnington. Two more soft ass goals last night.....it’s one or two a game from him. Sure, he will make a handful of dazzling saves as well but these softies he’s letting in are killing the blues. Both of MaCinnons goals last night were extremely savable. He’s talented and capable but we know hockey is a game of confidence as well and right now he has none.
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If this downward spiral continues and the Blues do end up missing the playoffs, I can't help but wonder if Berube will be the fall guy for it. That would be a kick in the nuts, given that he led the team to their first (and long awaited) Cup victory two years ago, but he wouldn't be the first hockey coach to win a Cup and be the fall guy when struggles happen shortly thereafter, so anything is possible, I suppose.
I mean coaches has a certain shelf life on a team due to various reasons. Darryl Sutter coached the Kings to two cups, but there came a point where it's time to move on and missing the postseason 2 times in 3 years was not going to cut it so that led to him and GM Dean Lombardi being cut. The coach after, John Stevens, coached them to the playoffs in 2018, but after like 12 games in the next season and being below .500 with not much hope, he got cut. Around the same time, Joel Quenneville coached the Blackhawks to 3 cups and he got fired from them despite being exactly .500 after 15 games.
Things have never been the same since. Although, I think Todd McLellan has some rope although that may not be the case if he doesn't lead this team to make it this season (which probably won't can him this season, since I think we are where we should be at this point this season after everything happened albeit it's a frustrating path to go through at times) or next season.
If the Blues don't make it, at least, the injury excuses can help not put Berube as the fall guy for now and maybe the next season can be a turnaround when things start becoming more stabilized when bringing more fans back to games.
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If this downward spiral continues and the Blues do end up missing the playoffs, I can't help but wonder if Berube will be the fall guy for it. That would be a kick in the nuts, given that he led the team to their first (and long awaited) Cup victory two years ago, but he wouldn't be the first hockey coach to win a Cup and be the fall guy when struggles happen shortly thereafter, so anything is possible, I suppose.
He’s got one year left on his contract. They’ll keep him around. There are several players who just aren’t playing good with binnington. Two more soft ass goals last night.....it’s one or two a game from him. Sure, he will make a handful of dazzling saves as well but these softies he’s letting in are killing the blues. Both of MaCinnons goals last night were extremely savable. He’s talented and capable but we know hockey is a game of confidence as well and right now he has none.
Seems like Binnington has always been like that. Heck, even in the Cup run, he had games where it was like the flood gates opened and he'd let in a bunch including some soft ones, but he almost always bounced back and was money the next game. Outside of that stretch when he first start playing, he just isn't one of those goalies you can count on to be money almost every game.
I mean coaches has a certain shelf life on a team due to various reasons. Darryl Sutter coached the Kings to two cups, but there came a point where it's time to move on and missing the postseason 2 times in 3 years was not going to cut it so that led to him and GM Dean Lombardi being cut. The coach after, John Stevens, coached them to the playoffs in 2018, but after like 12 games in the next season and being below .500 with not much hope, he got cut. Around the same time, Joel Quenneville coached the Blackhawks to 3 cups and he got fired from them despite being exactly .500 after 15 games.
Things have never been the same since. Although, I think Todd McLellan has some rope although that may not be the case if he doesn't lead this team to make it this season (which probably won't can him this season, since I think we are where we should be at this point this season after everything happened albeit it's a frustrating path to go through at times) or next season.
If the Blues don't make it, at least, the injury excuses can help not put Berube as the fall guy for now and maybe the next season can be a turnaround when things start becoming more stabilized when bringing more fans back to games.
Fair points.
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The Blues deserved a better fate than a regulation loss tonight, but the Avs get a weird bounce go in with 40+ seconds left and that's the game. Just the way things are going this season for our squad. :facepalm: :facepalm:
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So for those keeping track of the West Division, trends for that fight for the 4th spot is as follows: Kings and Blues, trending down. Sharks and Coyotes, trending up. I liked it better when it was the other way around.
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Since you brought it up, how often is everyone checking the other divisions? I honestly barely check since it's all intra-division play. I check the individual leaders often, but i haven't been following the standings outside the North.
The first time in weeks i checked was a few days ago after Jingle brought up the top 4 similarities in each division.
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I look at all the scores, watch a bunch of the 5-minute game recaps, and pay attention to the standings a couple times per week.
This situation in Vancouver is somewhat alarming. I'll be shocked if they can get back on the ice this week. I think it's going to be at least one more week, and going to extend the season (at least for the North) by another week. My bet is that the playoffs in the US start before the North, and things will end up getting staggered until the semi-finals.
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Since you brought it up, how often is everyone checking the other divisions? I honestly barely check since it's all intra-division play. I check the individual leaders often, but i haven't been following the standings outside the North.
The first time in weeks i checked was a few days ago after Jingle brought up the top 4 similarities in each division.
I scan them every time I look and see where the Blues are, but I am checking the standings less and less with each Blues loss. :facepalm:
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The Blues deserved a better fate than a regulation loss tonight, but the Avs get a weird bounce go in with 40+ seconds left and that's the game. Just the way things are going this season for our squad. :facepalm: :facepalm:
The Blues deserved nothing Kev and they got what they deserved. They had plenty of chance to win that game. They’re just not a good team. Our top players are not performing......they’re all too streaky and inconsistent. Early on I gave the team a pass due to being wrecked by injuries but that’s part of the game. Binnington let’s two soft goals a game in.....our top players miss prime scoring chances time after time.....the head coach praises lackluster efforts.....it’s just a cluster F.
So while yes....they played a competitive game......that’s how they SHOULD be playing. But they’ve played so horrible over the past month and half that when they play a good, hard fought game and lose we the fans think they deserve better. They don’t. Good teams win games like the AVs did last night. Bad teams lose them like the Blues did.
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^^ Sums up the Kings this season as well, minus the big injuries (although there are times where this team keeps losing depth defensemen to COVID protocol and opponents taking shots at them that puts them on the shelf).
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Bruins are really struggling as well. The Rask injury has really hurts them big time. Halak has been a bit overexposed here.
I check the standings in the other conferences quite a bit. I also try and watch as many out of town games as possible.
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The Blues deserved a better fate than a regulation loss tonight, but the Avs get a weird bounce go in with 40+ seconds left and that's the game. Just the way things are going this season for our squad. :facepalm: :facepalm:
The Blues deserved nothing Kev and they got what they deserved. They had plenty of chance to win that game. They’re just not a good team. Our top players are not performing......they’re all too streaky and inconsistent. Early on I gave the team a pass due to being wrecked by injuries but that’s part of the game. Binnington let’s two soft goals a game in.....our top players miss prime scoring chances time after time.....the head coach praises lackluster efforts.....it’s just a cluster F.
So while yes....they played a competitive game......that’s how they SHOULD be playing. But they’ve played so horrible over the past month and half that when they play a good, hard fought game and lose we the fans think they deserve better. They don’t. Good teams win games like the AVs did last night. Bad teams lose them like the Blues did.
Maybe. ;)
But yeah, it's a mess. Binnington's soft goals do not help, but their problems are much bigger than him. Can't help wondering now if maybe they should have overpaid Petro to stay, for the sake of the short term. Felt like they still had a championship window and perhaps they should have gone all-in to maximize their chances of making another Cup run. Spitballing a bit, but I can't help but wonder.
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The Blues deserved a better fate than a regulation loss tonight, but the Avs get a weird bounce go in with 40+ seconds left and that's the game. Just the way things are going this season for our squad. :facepalm: :facepalm:
The Blues deserved nothing Kev and they got what they deserved. They had plenty of chance to win that game. They’re just not a good team. Our top players are not performing......they’re all too streaky and inconsistent. Early on I gave the team a pass due to being wrecked by injuries but that’s part of the game. Binnington let’s two soft goals a game in.....our top players miss prime scoring chances time after time.....the head coach praises lackluster efforts.....it’s just a cluster F.
So while yes....they played a competitive game......that’s how they SHOULD be playing. But they’ve played so horrible over the past month and half that when they play a good, hard fought game and lose we the fans think they deserve better. They don’t. Good teams win games like the AVs did last night. Bad teams lose them like the Blues did.
Maybe. ;)
But yeah, it's a mess. Binnington's soft goals do not help, but their problems are much bigger than him. Can't help wondering now if maybe they should have overpaid Petro to stay, for the sake of the short term. Felt like they still had a championship window and perhaps they should have gone all-in to maximize their chances of making another Cup run. Spitballing a bit, but I can't help but wonder.
The single player that the Blues couldn't afford to have hurt this year was Colton Paryako. He was going to eat the minutes that Petro left behind, he's a shut down D man who is capable of those top line match ups. having him start the season with a bum back then go on LTIR with the back issues was utterly brutal given the role he was slated to play. Add in losing Sudquist who played big minutes....was a PK specialist and the 'straw that stirs the drink' for the Blues.....the entire team identity was lost. Losing Gunnarson on D is looming large as well. The dude was a steady, reliable pro who was smart and 'knew' the game. Those three gone in themselves is enough to disrupt a team.
The injuries to Schwartz,Thomas, Bozak, and not having Tarasenko return until a dozen games ago was tough but those are manageable losses if you have guys stepping up. Hoffman is a bust and it's clear all he can do is shoot....I mean literally that's all he can do. There is no other aspect of his game that is NHL caliber. Horrific on the back check, zero energy to forecheck....it's painfully obvious that there's a reason teams passed on him. Schenn, Sanford, Schwartz (when healthy)....these guys are so streaky and unreliable to consistently give us offense that it's brutal. Tarasenko doesn't look the same and may never will. This leaves O'Reily who is literally doing everything he can to try and win games himself because all the other guys are going through the motions.
It's evident now as well that Binnington was a huge benefactor of that stout D that won us the Cup. Now, he had a magical run and had moxi running out his a$$ during that Cup run.....but the Blues D in that championship season was unreal. Boumeester and Paryako shut the top line down of every team we beat to win the cup. Every one of them. Losing Boumeester and Petro was always going to be a beast to make up...add Paryako into that mix and it's just a tough mountain to climb.
Krug has had a rough introduction to playing on a team that doesn't have elite talent out the wahzoo.....he's being asked to step up in ways he hasn't had to yet. I'm not concerned that he can't turn it around eventually but this season has been tough on him. Faulk has looked good and is playing well but he's playing a ton of minutes and it's catching up on him. They need to turn the page on Dunn and let him walk, Bortuzzo is a handy third pair guy and our rookies in Walman and Mikkola are something to be excited about. But taking Paryako out of that D core just blows up everything.
Maybe they make a small run and squeak into the playoffs. But there's no delusion in my mind that there simply is no way they're winning a series....much less a division championship or cup. It'd be a small miracle for them to make the playoffs much less win a series. I'd prefer them to miss it entirely so Armstrong can evaluate and clean house a bit and approach next season....which should be a "normal" season with a fresh new look.
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Good breakdown. I didn't have the heart to think up a summation like that, much less type it out, but that was very well said. Depressing to think about, but it is what it is.
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It's nice to have a team that can still salvage a victory, even when they're only bringing their B (or B-) game. Other than the quick goal less than a minute in, the Leafs looked like ass for the first 2 periods. One fluke goal, and an excellent forecheck by Matthews/Marner is all it took to pull out the win. Also nice when goalie #3 gets the W - Hutch put in a VERY solid effort. No 10-bell saves, but he stopped more than a few dangerous chances.
All that said, it was Calgary. They look like ass overall. They had every opportunity to win that game, but just couldn't put the biscuit in the basket when it was needed. I'm not sure they are mathematically eliminated, but they basically need to go 16-3 over their remaining games and have Montreal (who are up by 6, and have 5 games in hand) play sub .500.
Florida on top of the Central, and the entire league for that matter!! Quenville is a helluva coach.
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It is official: the Blues have quit on the season. Good heavens.
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^^ The Kings may join them on that. 0-2 against Coyotes with 14:00 minutes left in the 1st. Not a good start.
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It is official: the Blues have quit on the season. Good heavens.
Yeah. That’s brutal. We have no one who can bury the puck. First 10 minutes of the game it could have been 3 or 4-0 Blues if we had a player who knew how to score. It’s pretty ugly right now.
When the wheels fall off man do they fall off.
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It is official: the Blues have quit on the season. Good heavens.
Yeah, I saw that score and was like :omg: :(. 5 points back with 18 to go (and now San Jose has pushed ahead of the Blues) does not bode well.
On a brighter note, Bruins with an embarrassing OT loss. Poor Patrice. He's one of the 2 Bruins players I like, so I feel bad for him. But it couldn't happen to a better team! :P (at Tim/Joe).
Toronto/Montreal game tomorrow night ought to be a beaut!
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On a brighter note, Bruins with an embarrassing OT loss. Poor Patrice. He's one of the 2 Bruins players I like, so I feel bad for him. But it couldn't happen to a better team! :P (at Tim/Joe).
Who's the other?
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On a brighter note, Bruins with an embarrassing OT loss. Poor Patrice. He's one of the 2 Bruins players I like, so I feel bad for him. But it couldn't happen to a better team! :P (at Tim/Joe).
Who's the other?
Tukka
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^^ The Kings may join them on that. 0-2 against Coyotes with 14:00 minutes left in the 1st. Not a good start.
Sigh...I turned on the game about halfway through the first period and it was already 3-0. WTF?!
I guess it'll be interesting to see what happens at the trade deadline.... Shades of 2008-09.
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I guess it'll be interesting to see what happens at the trade deadline.... Shades of 2008-09.
I wonder if the Kings can acquire this generation's version of Justin Williams. That would be swell. That trade took place on 03/04/09, around the 08-09 deadline. Gosh, 12 years ago. Nowadays, Williams is in a front office position for the Hurricanes after a great ride (cups, conn smythe, was captain of a solid deep run with the Hurricanes in 2019) since that trade.
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On a brighter note, Bruins with an embarrassing OT loss. Poor Patrice. He's one of the 2 Bruins players I like, so I feel bad for him. But it couldn't happen to a better team! :P (at Tim/Joe).
Who's the other?
Tukka
Thought for sure it'd be Krejci.
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You like Tuuka? I hate him. Lol
Great game for Jeremy Swayman in his NHL debut.
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That scrum in the corner that burned about 15 seconds with a minute left was ridiculous. Kevan Miller played great again. Can the man stay on the ice??
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His only issue. Can't stay healthy.
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Yikes!
https://www.tsn.ca/former-nhl-defenceman-alexei-emelin-to-have-liver-transplant-1.1619557
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https://www.tsn.ca/new-york-islanders-acquire-kyle-palmieri-travis-zajac-from-new-jersey-devils-1.1619903
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https://www.tsn.ca/new-york-islanders-acquire-kyle-palmieri-travis-zajac-from-new-jersey-devils-1.1619903
Interesting. I wonder if this means they're going to pass on Taylor Hall?
In Oilers talk, a full 1/3 of all the team's wins are against Ottawa. They're a perfect 8-0 against them this season, which leads me to wonder how inflated their place in the standings really is. That's a lot of points against an absolute, bottom of the barrel team. And i would know what that looks like. We don't call it the Decade of Darkness for nothing.
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In Oilers talk, a full 1/3 of all the team's wins are against Ottawa. They're a perfect 8-0 against them this season, which leads me to wonder how inflated their place in the standings really is. That's a lot of points against an absolute, bottom of the barrel team. And i would know what that looks like. We don't call it the Decade of Darkness for nothing.
To be fair, Ottawa has played Montreal and Toronto really tight - Oilers just have their number, and McD/Draisaitl clearly have are just too much for them. But I see your point... they're winning the games they're supposed to, and struggling elsewhere.
It's amazing how a team just a month ago can go 0-6-1 over a stretch, and now 8-0-1... all the while they're PP sucks ass, and they haven't really brought their A-game for a full 60-minutes. Montreal absolutely dominated the Leafs in the 2nd period last night... but they held them off, and got a couple in the 3rd to hold on to the W. Once again, top team in the league (for the moment). Here's hoping they hold on to this level of play for a couple of months.
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Not sure what lit a fuse under them last night, but the Blues came out looking like a team that cared again, grabbed an early 2-0 lead, and then hung on as Binnington played lights out en route to a 3-1 win over Vegas. Would be nice to see more efforts like this down the stretch so they at least go down fighting rather than skating like they can't wait for the season to end, but it'll take more than one inspired effort for me to assume that it going to happen.
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In Oilers talk, a full 1/3 of all the team's wins are against Ottawa. They're a perfect 8-0 against them this season, which leads me to wonder how inflated their place in the standings really is. That's a lot of points against an absolute, bottom of the barrel team. And i would know what that looks like. We don't call it the Decade of Darkness for nothing.
To be fair, Ottawa has played Montreal and Toronto really tight - Oilers just have their number, and McD/Draisaitl clearly have are just too much for them. But I see your point... they're winning the games they're supposed to, and struggling elsewhere.
It's amazing how a team just a month ago can go 0-6-1 over a stretch, and now 8-0-1... all the while they're PP sucks ass, and they haven't really brought their A-game for a full 60-minutes. Montreal absolutely dominated the Leafs in the 2nd period last night... but they held them off, and got a couple in the 3rd to hold on to the W. Once again, top team in the league (for the moment). Here's hoping they hold on to this level of play for a couple of months.
I think that unless the Leafs implode (which isn't entirely out of the realm of possibilities given their playoff history) they're going to easily win the North. Practically a guaranteed birth in the 3rd round (can we actually call them conference finals this year?). I'm not sure that any of Mtl, Edm, or the Peg scares them over a 7 game series.
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Not sure what lit a fuse under them last night, but the Blues came out looking like a team that cared again, grabbed an early 2-0 lead, and then hung on as Binnington played lights out en route to a 3-1 win over Vegas. Would be nice to see more efforts like this down the stretch so they at least go down fighting rather than skating like they can't wait for the season to end, but it'll take more than one inspired effort for me to assume that it going to happen.
Yeah....it'd be nice to see a good spirited playoff push from them and for them not to cower and walk away with their tails between their legs. BUT....they gave up 50 shots on goal and had Binnington not stood on his head they get crushed again. We missed multiple chances to score but just don't have anyone who can bury the puck. It was a hard fought win and a much needed win....but this team has yet to prove that they can consistently come out and play hard each and every night, so I'm still skeptical.
Besides....what's the point? There is zero doubt that it's either Vegas or the AVs coming out of the West. A playoff birth for the Blues would mean we at least got to see some better hockey to close the season out but they are not even close to being a threat to win a playoff series.
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In Oilers talk, a full 1/3 of all the team's wins are against Ottawa. They're a perfect 8-0 against them this season, which leads me to wonder how inflated their place in the standings really is. That's a lot of points against an absolute, bottom of the barrel team. And i would know what that looks like. We don't call it the Decade of Darkness for nothing.
To be fair, Ottawa has played Montreal and Toronto really tight - Oilers just have their number, and McD/Draisaitl clearly have are just too much for them. But I see your point... they're winning the games they're supposed to, and struggling elsewhere.
It's amazing how a team just a month ago can go 0-6-1 over a stretch, and now 8-0-1... all the while they're PP sucks ass, and they haven't really brought their A-game for a full 60-minutes. Montreal absolutely dominated the Leafs in the 2nd period last night... but they held them off, and got a couple in the 3rd to hold on to the W. Once again, top team in the league (for the moment). Here's hoping they hold on to this level of play for a couple of months.
I think that unless the Leafs implode (which isn't entirely out of the realm of possibilities given their playoff history) they're going to easily win the North. Practically a guaranteed birth in the 3rd round (can we actually call them conference finals this year?). I'm not sure that any of Mtl, Edm, or the Peg scares them over a 7 game series.
If Chevy adds a quasi big named D-man, the Jets would absolutely worry me. Hellebucyk is the kind of goalie that can steal 1 or 2 games in a series, and their Top 6 forwards are as good as any in the league. After Leafs' big-4 (+Hyman) forwards, they aren't terribly deep. Maybe good enough, but still a few question marks.
Sorry guys, but the Blues are in the group of teams where every win just worsens their draft pick :lol.
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Sorry guys, but the Blues are in the group of teams where every win just worsens their draft pick :lol.
Of course they are....it's the BLUES! :lol I personally would have preferred them to mail it in. The team needs to move on from some aging veterens who are free agents (schwartz I'm looking at you) and as horrible as it sounds....rebuild. The team has no identity or drive IMO and it's time to refresh and go at it again. I'm not worried about Binnington....I think in the long run he'll be fine but they are lacking players who can score and that's worrisome.
COVID killed the Blues Stanley Cup window. I don't want to lament too much on it again but they were primed and playing great heading into the playoffs and I have little doubt there was a team in the West that would have beat them. They'd have been defending. That could have changed the Petrangelo talks....maybe Steen doesn't get hurt by taking 4 months off then ramping it back up.....on and on. The Blues franchise was F'd in the A$$ by Covid plain and simple but in the grand scheme of things....oh well.
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Sorry guys, but the Blues are in the group of teams where every win just worsens their draft pick :lol.
Kings are in that position as well (even worst than the Blues). I still want this team to keep winning for the sake of pride and all. They lost too many key games to still be in the hunt, but dang it, I want them to send statements that this team should not be run over and that they are only going to get better from here (hopefully, some of the prospects in the Reign are ready to breakthrough in the show even though their season is also rough). Also, Rob Blake should probably look into trading contracts to get certain players as an upgrade in the offseason. I'm not saying get Jack Eichel from the Sabres (since that's a huge ask regarding cap and the amount of picks and prospects and players on the roster to give up that the Kings could afford but too risky to do), but something along the lines of getting a Justin Williams-like player.
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Sorry guys, but the Blues are in the group of teams where every win just worsens their draft pick :lol.
Kings are in that position as well (even worst than the Blues). I still want this team to keep winning for the sake of pride and all. They lost too many key games to still be in the hunt, but dang it, I want them to send statements that this team should not be run over and that they are only going to get better from here (hopefully, some of the prospects in the Reign are ready to breakthrough in the show even though their season is also rough). Also, Rob Blake should probably look into trading contracts to get certain players as an upgrade in the offseason. I'm not saying get Jack Eichel from the Sabres (since that's a huge ask regarding cap and the amount of picks and prospects and players on the roster to give up that the Kings could afford but too risky to do), but something along the lines of getting a Justin Williams-like player.
I really wish Alex and Jim would stop talking about the Kings in terms of pushing for the playoffs. I don't care so much about minutiae of draft position, but I certainly don't want to eek into the playoffs just to be swept in the first rounds by Colorado. This team reminds of me of the 2007-09 version. Tons of young talent in varying stages of maturity. Finding the right combination of young guys and veterans will be the real challenge for Rob Blake.
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Sorry guys, but the Blues are in the group of teams where every win just worsens their draft pick :lol.
Kings are in that position as well (even worst than the Blues). I still want this team to keep winning for the sake of pride and all. They lost too many key games to still be in the hunt, but dang it, I want them to send statements that this team should not be run over and that they are only going to get better from here (hopefully, some of the prospects in the Reign are ready to breakthrough in the show even though their season is also rough). Also, Rob Blake should probably look into trading contracts to get certain players as an upgrade in the offseason. I'm not saying get Jack Eichel from the Sabres (since that's a huge ask regarding cap and the amount of picks and prospects and players on the roster to give up that the Kings could afford but too risky to do), but something along the lines of getting a Justin Williams-like player.
I would be leery of trying to acquire Jack Eichel. Rumor has it he's got an attitude problem. That just may come from playing in Buffalo, so maybe a change of scenery will help.
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https://www.tsn.ca/new-york-islanders-acquire-kyle-palmieri-travis-zajac-from-new-jersey-devils-1.1619903
Good riddance for zajac, always thought he was mega pricey for winning some faceoffs, parise brought his price up for no reason. Palms is a bummer but we will have a mega young and talented team for it
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I would be leery of trying to acquire Jack Eichel. Rumor has it he's got an attitude problem. That just may come from playing in Buffalo, so maybe a change of scenery will help.
Yeah. Those rumors are tough to legitimize for a player playing on that team. Same was said about Ryan O’Reily. All he did was come to the Blues and endear himself to the Blues fans by working hard and caring.....win a Selke.....Conne Smyth and Stanley Cup, oh and then get named Captain.
I think a change of scenery....to ANY team would be a welcome moment for Eichel.
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Pretty sure just about every team would be interested in Eichel if he were available. Guy's got some elite talent.
What the fuck is with Lou Lamarello and his facial hair rule? And better question, why does anyone even listen? What would they do if Palmieri had shown up at practice still rocking his beard, bench him?
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COVID killed the Blues Stanley Cup window. I don't want to lament too much on it again but they were primed and playing great heading into the playoffs and I have little doubt there was a team in the West that would have beat them. They'd have been defending. That could have changed the Petrangelo talks....maybe Steen doesn't get hurt by taking 4 months off then ramping it back up.....on and on. The Blues franchise was F'd in the A$$ by Covid plain and simple but in the grand scheme of things....oh well.
I hear ya. I know every team had to deal with having months off before the restart last year, but it's impossible to deny how it affected the Blues. There was no Cup hangover. They were rolling and would have had a good chance to repeat once the playoffs start, and then COVID happened, and when you look at them since, it's frustrating, but what can you do? I just thank God we got 2019. :hat :hat
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Well, here's an interesting crossover that no one thought was going to happen. So once in a while during this season, I think, although I can't confirm since I don't follow intermission stuff, the LA Kings twitter would do some sort of intermission thing where they have a musician do a bit of a live stream on their Twitter feed. Well, this Saturday, they actually got JR do something in the 1st intermission in the game against the Sharks? Must be something to do with the Mercury Insurance connection, because I think he's done some live streams in the past sponsored by them?
https://twitter.com/LAKings/status/1380377496475082754
Yep, confirmed by JR, himself.
https://twitter.com/Jcrudess/status/1379765908055289857
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I hate the Sharks. That's all. Every time in the last few weeks in the rare occasions the Kings win a game and I feel good about where this team is going (not necessarily thinking post-season, but in general moving forward in the future), they face the Sharks in a game that they need to win and assert a form of dominance against this particular Sharks team and they end up getting the L. Only like 1 game out of 7, this season, they were able to dominate against the Sharks. That hurts. A lot.
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I hate the Sharks. That's all. Every time in the last few weeks in the rare occasions the Kings win a game and I feel good about where this team is going (not necessarily thinking post-season, but in general moving forward in the future), they face the Sharks in a game that they need to win and assert a form of dominance against this particular Sharks team and they end up getting the L. Only like 1 game out of 7, this season, they were able to dominate against the Sharks. That hurts. A lot.
That's kinda how I feel when Toronto plays Ottawa. They should be crushing them every time, yet the Leafs are 4-2-1, and 3 of those 4 Ws were by 1 goal. Hopeful that tonight is them laying the smack down.
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Just like the Blues to make us think all hope is lost and then pull out something like last night. That destruction of the Wild was fun as heck, but let's see how they follow it up today.
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Just like the Blues to make us think all hope is lost and then pull out something like last night. That destruction of the Wild was fun as heck, but let's see how they follow it up today.
No kidding. They’ve looked pretty good the last two games and it’s coincided with Mike Hoffman being a healthy scratch in both games and Binnington being sharp as a razor.
What sucks is Robert Thomas taking that awkward hit and probably being out again. He looked great lately.
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Yeah, poor Robert Thomas just can't seem to stay healthy. Such potential, but you need to stay healthy and on the ice. I hope he can make it back soon for the potential playoff run (dare to dream!).
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@ Chad..I noticed on tonight's highlights that Matthews was wearing the A and Marner was not. Is that something new? Are they alternating? Seems every time I see the Leafs or their highlights that it's Marner wearing the letter.'
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To paraphrase Michael Corleone, just when I was ready to stop believing, they pull me back in. Helluva win by the Blues tonight.
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You guys are insufferable. There's no way the Blues don't make the playoffs.
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You guys are insufferable. There's no way the Blues don't make the playoffs.
Eh, you obviously have not been watching their games for the last month prior to this week (not like I watch a lot of Bruins games in the regular season either). They looked like a team in free-fall a week ago and not a team that was obviously going to make the playoffs. Never assume anything when it comes to sports (except Tom Brady playing till he's 60).
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Hey, the Kings won against the Sharks. They also scored in the last minute of the second so that free McFlurry coupon on the McDonald's app for their McFlurry minute promo kicks in. Might as well get it when it's available only for tomorrow. Haven't had one in a long time.
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@ Chad..I noticed on tonight's highlights that Matthews was wearing the A and Marner was not. Is that something new? Are they alternating? Seems every time I see the Leafs or their highlights that it's Marner wearing the letter.'
Yeah, they alternate. Marner, Matthews and Reilly are all the Alternates. I'm not sure what the 'schedule' is of who wears it, but they do switch it around.
You guys are insufferable. There's no way the Blues don't make the playoffs.
Given the injuries, it wasn't hard to think they might not. Arizona has certainly made it interesting. San Jose is within reach as well.
Fugly win by the Leafs last night, but a W is a W.
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@ Chad..I noticed on tonight's highlights that Matthews was wearing the A and Marner was not. Is that something new? Are they alternating? Seems every time I see the Leafs or their highlights that it's Marner wearing the letter.'
Yeah, they alternate. Marner, Matthews and Reilly are all the Alternates. I'm not sure what the 'schedule' is of who wears it, but they do switch it around.
A lot of times what teams do in this situation (I know the Rangers do this) is have one guy be a home alternate captain and the other be an away alternate captain.
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Hey, the Kings won against the Sharks. They also scored in the last minute of the second so that free McFlurry coupon on the McDonald's app for their McFlurry minute promo kicks in. Might as well get it when it's available only for tomorrow. Haven't had one in a long time.
Great result, but the timing sucks. Yesterday was one of those twice a year days when my wife came to me and asked, "what do you think about picking up McDonald's." Oh well, the win is more important...or, you know, not really since they're not making the playoffs.
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@ Chad..I noticed on tonight's highlights that Matthews was wearing the A and Marner was not. Is that something new? Are they alternating? Seems every time I see the Leafs or their highlights that it's Marner wearing the letter.'
Yeah, they alternate. Marner, Matthews and Reilly are all the Alternates. I'm not sure what the 'schedule' is of who wears it, but they do switch it around.
A lot of times what teams do in this situation (I know the Rangers do this) is have one guy be a home alternate captain and the other be an away alternate captain.
Yeah, the Bruins have done that as well over the past few years, so I do understand. It just seemed like every time I see Leaf highlights, Marner has it, so I thought that was how it was.
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Leafs pick up Foligno. Nice move.
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Leafs pick up Foligno. Nice move.
I loved seeing his first goal in the NHL and seeing him do the leap in honor of his dad. What a touching moment.
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This is a good deal .. gives them some more forward depth for the playoffs. I still think they need another D-man. Their 7th defence man is an absolute dud. If any ot their top-6 get hurt, they’re in dire straits. God help ‘me if more than one gets injured.
Still, once Tampa gets Kuch back, everyone is screwed. I hear he’s healthy enough to play, but they can’t put him on the roster until the playoffs because of they’re already at max cap.
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It looks like a solid deal for both Columbus (getting the 1st round and 4th round from Toronto which is probably what they need if they don't make it to the playoffs and not able to resign Laine) and Toronto (getting a player that can round the forward group to get ready for playoffs). I'm not sure what the heck the Sharks are doing. They basically gave up a player in the AHL for a 4th round pick and taking in $1.4 M in cap space? Although, I don't know how it translate in actual dollars paid by the Sharks, so maybe this is actually a money saving move on them. I don't know.
(https://i.imgur.com/qKG4bp9.png)
Edit: Ok, I just looked up the guy the Sharks gave up. So, this guy is 28 years old that was mainly in the AHL for their season. I guess it won't hurt them much and they get a pick for their efforts to help the Leafs retain salary on Folino.
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So they bought Toronto's 4th round pick this year for 1.375m?
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So they bought Toronto's 4th round pick this year for 1.375m?
Here’s the thing, it’s just cap space, not actual wages. If the Sharks have the room, they it’s no impact to them. So it (might) literally cost the Sharks nothing. In any trade, the acquiring team must take at least 50% of the remaining AAV. With so many contending teams right up against the limit, this is why we’ve seen a couple of 3-way deals now.
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I confuse. Are the Sharks paying or not paying the 1.375m? And if they're not...who is?
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They take in the $1.375 M cap space. In terms of how much actual dollars the Sharks pay, I don't know. That's some complicated math based on how much of the season is left and how much is actually been already paid and stuff that we actually don't need to really care about.
So to sum it up. This is the breakdown.
Leafs take $1.375M of cap space and get Folino and the Sharks player in the AHL
Sharks take $1.375M of cap space and get the Leafs 4th round pick in 2021
Blue Jackets keep the $2.75M remaining cap space and get the 1st round pick and the 4th round pick in 2022.
Edit: Oh my goodness, there are some talks about trading Jeff Carter to the Penguins?? Per Bob McKenzie below. We all love Carter for what he's done in LA and all, but he's sorta never been the same since he had a big injury in late 2017 that nerfed his speed (age doesn't help as well). If this is true, I don't even mind it if the Kings retain salary. He only has one year left on his deal after this season (which only pays $2 million in salary). Also, it does give one of their prospects to crack the main roster and try to give some life to this team.
https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/1381434937237180419
Edit x 2: I love the trade deadline. This is the part where GMs just drinks a magic bleach and throws caution to the wind and make these trades and hope they hit gold and we laugh at them if they wiffed hard on it.
Taylor Hall is going to the Bruins, per Elliotte Friedman.
Edit x 3: Now, it's official. Per the Kings' Twitter. For a conditional 3rd-round pick in 2022 & a conditional 4th-round pick in 2023, Carter is going to the Penguins. Kings retain 50% of the cap hit which is around $2.6M.
https://twitter.com/LAKings/status/1381482252362788870
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As Anguyen said, what the Sharks actually have to pay depends on how much of Foligno's contract was a signing bonus, how much is made in lump-sum payments, how much is weekly/monthly wages. None of that really matters to anyone except the club and their cash-flow - it's the AAV cap space that us fans see an impact around.
What a dud Hall was for the the Sabres. Coin toss as to whether it really helps the Bs or not. I doubt he's going to make enough of a difference to lift them out of 4th in the East, and I wouldn't see them slipping to 5th if without Hall. It's a gamble, imo.
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It's amazing in 2 years how his game has slipped Chad.
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Edit x 3: Now, it's official. Per the Kings' Twitter. For a conditional 3rd-round pick in 2022 & a conditional 4th-round pick in 2023, Carter is going to the Penguins. Kings retain 50% of the cap hit which is around $2.6M.
https://twitter.com/LAKings/status/1381482252362788870
Really seems like they could've gotten a bit more for him.
That leaves only four players from the two Cup winning teams.
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^^ I think the conditional upgrades from 3rd to 2nd (if the Penguins make it to the cup finals and Carter plays 50% of the playoff games, quite unlikely they make it that far, but you never know.) and upgrades from 4th to 3rd in 2023 if Carter plays at least 50 games in 21-22 season.
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Still not much when retaining 50% of his cap hit.
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Sort of interested in seeing what happens in the last half hour before the deadline. This year's deadline has been kinda quiet outside of the Foligno and Hall trades.
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And there's the blockbuster I was waiting for. Wings send Anthony Mantha to the Capitals for Jakub Vrana, Richard Pannik, Capitals 2021 1st and 2022 2nd. I liked Mantha on the Wings, but I think a change of scenery is going to do him some good.
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Quite the flurry in the last hour - Mantha going to Washington being the biggest trade / name. Everything else was just rounding out the edges and teams filling the depth they needed.
I'm quite glad that Chevy didn't get a named d-man (at least it looks that way at the moment) - Wpg is the only team that worries me, but that defence is suspect at best. I like the three moves the Leafs made, gives them exactly the depth they needed at all three areas.
All the contenders made some worthy moves. But I still think the Cup is the Bolts to lose.
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Big old fat yawn from the Blues.....I can't believe they couldn't dump Hoffman onto someone. He's a horrible fit for the Blues system. He will score some goals but there is no other aspect to his game that fits the way Berube wants the team playing. There's a ton of scuttlebutt going on between Hoffman and Berube also. Berube claiming they've had conversations about his game and how he needs to improve then Hoffman saying I've never been spoken to. Last week after his second healthy benching Hoffman changed his social media profile pics from him in a Blues uniform to a dog.....then removed all mention of him being a St. Louis Blue. Anyway......looks like Armstrong is content in possibly squeaking into the playoffs and just see what happens with this crew then get to work on next season after they get bounced.
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Big old fat yawn from the Blues.....I can't believe they couldn't dump Hoffman onto someone. He's a horrible fit for the Blues system. He will score some goals but there is no other aspect to his game that fits the way Berube wants the team playing. There's a ton of scuttlebutt going on between Hoffman and Berube also. Berube claiming they've had conversations about his game and how he needs to improve then Hoffman saying I've never been spoken to. Last week after his second healthy benching Hoffman changed his social media profile pics from him in a Blues uniform to a dog.....then removed all mention of him being a St. Louis Blue. Anyway......looks like Armstrong is content in possibly squeaking into the playoffs and just see what happens with this crew then get to work on next season after they get bounced.
Doesn't matter ... If there's any division where the first round is already decided, it's the West. I see no possibility of the Avs or LVK losing in the first round. I mean, I know ... I know.... Bolts got swept 2 years ago, but in this year where everyone has played each other 8 times already, nobody is going to be caught by surprise in the first round.
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Big old fat yawn from the Blues.....I can't believe they couldn't dump Hoffman onto someone. He's a horrible fit for the Blues system. He will score some goals but there is no other aspect to his game that fits the way Berube wants the team playing. There's a ton of scuttlebutt going on between Hoffman and Berube also. Berube claiming they've had conversations about his game and how he needs to improve then Hoffman saying I've never been spoken to. Last week after his second healthy benching Hoffman changed his social media profile pics from him in a Blues uniform to a dog.....then removed all mention of him being a St. Louis Blue. Anyway......looks like Armstrong is content in possibly squeaking into the playoffs and just see what happens with this crew then get to work on next season after they get bounced.
Doesn't matter ... If there's any division where the first round is already decided, it's the West. I see no possibility of the Avs or LVK losing in the first round. I mean, I know ... I know.... Bolts got swept 2 years ago, but in this year where everyone has played each other 8 times already, nobody is going to be caught by surprise in the first round.
Yep. Those two teams are just powerhouses right now. It'd take a massive choke job from their players in order for them to lose a series. Which I guess 'could' happen.....and if I had to pick one of the teams to choke it'd be the AV's because most of the Knights players have been there and done that. The AV's are still (in my mind) unproven. They're doing good and seem to be cruising but the playoffs are a whole other level of butt pucker.
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Big old fat yawn from the Blues.....I can't believe they couldn't dump Hoffman onto someone. He's a horrible fit for the Blues system. He will score some goals but there is no other aspect to his game that fits the way Berube wants the team playing. There's a ton of scuttlebutt going on between Hoffman and Berube also. Berube claiming they've had conversations about his game and how he needs to improve then Hoffman saying I've never been spoken to. Last week after his second healthy benching Hoffman changed his social media profile pics from him in a Blues uniform to a dog.....then removed all mention of him being a St. Louis Blue. Anyway......looks like Armstrong is content in possibly squeaking into the playoffs and just see what happens with this crew then get to work on next season after they get bounced.
I didn't know about all of that nonsense from Hoffman, but I am guessing the Robert Thomas injury is why he wasn't moved.
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Yep. Those two teams are just powerhouses right now. It'd take a massive choke job from their players in order for them to lose a series. Which I guess 'could' happen.....and if I had to pick one of the teams to choke it'd be the AV's because most of the Knights players have been there and done that. The AV's are still (in my mind) unproven. They're doing good and seem to be cruising but the playoffs are a whole other level of butt pucker.
I dunno. I don't totally disagree, but there's something about the Avs this year. There's been a lot of turnover by the Knights since they played Washington 3 years ago, and the Avs could've / should've gone further last year if not for having their 3rd string goalie in net. Clearly Sakic made sure that was NOT going to happen again this year with the move to get Dubnyk.
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Yep. Those two teams are just powerhouses right now. It'd take a massive choke job from their players in order for them to lose a series. Which I guess 'could' happen.....and if I had to pick one of the teams to choke it'd be the AV's because most of the Knights players have been there and done that. The AV's are still (in my mind) unproven. They're doing good and seem to be cruising but the playoffs are a whole other level of butt pucker.
I dunno. I don't totally disagree, but there's something about the Avs this year. There's been a lot of turnover by the Knights since they played Washington 3 years ago, and the Avs could've / should've gone further last year if not for having their 3rd string goalie in net. Clearly Sakic made sure that was NOT going to happen again this year with the move to get Dubnyk.
For sure. That was a solid move and I can’t imagine they don’t put a solid run together. Playoffs are a whole different beast as we’ve seen and it really comes down to who’s playing the beat ‘team’ game.....plain and simple.
Oh and good goaltending helps.
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Apparently I'm not paying attention, but is Anthony Mantha that good? I mean, he must be for the Caps to give up on Vrana and give up a first round pick.
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I'd put this in the Irritating Thread, but I'll post it here...
As much as I hate ESPN, I do like their website for NHL and MLB. The Standings and Stats are easy to view/use. Buy my irritation is that every fucking article on the site is an ESPN+ article. WTF??
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Yeah, I'm not paying for that.
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If you’re a sports nut and don’t have THE ATHLETIC you’re missing out. It’s subscription based but the content blows away conventional reporting.
I’ve had it for three years and don’t utilize it nearly as much as I could and still feel like it’s a steal
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I'm with you guys. I go to espn.com to look at standings and schedules, but almost never click on articles anymore since it seems like most are ones you have to pay for, and there is no chance they are getting my money.
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I should consider giving The Athletic a try. They are doing a starter deal offer where the first 6 months is $1.00 a month, then $8.00 a month onwards. They pretty much have, from what I hear, good reporters with a fair view most of the time on all the things (all the teams, all the events, etc.) that's going on in sports.
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Between TSN, Sportsnet, and the NHL app, I'm covered.
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Yeah, me too. I'm not paying for sports journalism.
We have two excellent sports radio stations in Boston, each with their own website. There's two major sports TV networks, again, each with their own websites.
I also visit https://www.tsn.ca/nhl everyday.
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Between TSN, Sportsnet, and the NHL app, I'm covered.
This.
Although i won't be at all surprised when they follow suit
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I should consider giving The Athletic a try. They are doing a starter deal offer where the first 6 months is $1.00 a month, then $8.00 a month onwards. They pretty much have, from what I hear, good reporters with a fair view most of the time on all the things (all the teams, all the events, etc.) that's going on in sports.
I can’t endorse it enough. The articles and content a far and away superior to what you’ll find elsewhere. And like I said, I only view and use a minuscule percentage of what is available. If you’re in to multiple sports it’s a haven for information.
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As much as I hate ESPN, I do like their website for NHL and MLB. The Standings and Stats are easy to view/use. Buy my irritation is that every fucking article on the site is an ESPN+ article. WTF??
Agree with the first part of this -- plus, they have standings going back 20 years. They even have attendance data (although I've only ever found it with a Google search). As far as ESPN+, I have the bundle that gives me Disney+, ESPN+ and I think Hulu. All of that content is worth the money (I have access to ever 30 for 30 episode, which I'm planning on digging into one of these days), so it also allows me access to the pay articles the two times a year I want to look at them. If I didn't have the bundle, though, there's no way I'd pay for it (or any other sports journalism).
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I have no need for Disney +. My kids long outgrew Disney. And I don’t even know what Hulu is.
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I have no need for Disney +. My kids long outgrew Disney. And I don’t even know what Hulu is.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MfgS6WLvHCk/maxresdefault.jpg)
Disney is more than princess cartoon movies. I'm not surprised at your latter comment, but it is still facepalm-worthy.
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I have no need for Disney +. My kids long outgrew Disney. And I don’t even know what Hulu is.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MfgS6WLvHCk/maxresdefault.jpg)
Disney is more than princess cartoon movies. I'm not surprised at your latter comment, but it is still facepalm-worthy.
Yeah...Hulu is essentially the same thing as Netflix, but with more of a TV focus. And the reason I got the bundle is because half of the folks in my house wanted to watch The Mandalorian (episodic show set in the Star Wars universe).
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Apparently I'm not paying attention, but is Anthony Mantha that good? I mean, he must be for the Caps to give up on Vrana and give up a first round pick.
He was a first round pick and the only 50 goal scorer in his draft year. He’s put up decent numbers with the Wings, and his advanced stats are among the best in the league. Now that he doesn’t have to be the man for offense and can be part of what looks like is going to be the best top 6 going into the postseason, I expect him to do quite well in Washington. He was inches away from a 3 point night tonight against the Flyers, and seemed to gel pretty quickly with Backstrom and Oshie. He was on the ice for three, maybe four of Caps goals tonight. I’m excited to see what he can do with the Caps.
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Blues fall just short with a 3rd period comeback vs the Avs. No points for a loss like that, but the team would have tucked their tails and quit down 4-1 in a game two weeks ago, so it's good to see them showing fight like that. Still feels like their upside is limited, but it is what it is.
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Blues fall just short with a 3rd period comeback vs the Avs. No points for a loss like that, but the team would have tucked their tails and quit down 4-1 in a game two weeks ago, so it's good to see them showing fight like that. Still feels like their upside is limited, but it is what it is.
Yeah. It was good to see them not give up and make it a game. You can’t let a team like Colorado go up 4-1. Their 3 goals in the 2nd period were all due to bad mistakes from the Blues. Oh well.....
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It really felt like the Blues were going to shock the Avalanche and take the game to overtime because they pretty much dominated the entire third period, and have been exceptional this season when it comes to empty net heroics. It sucks to once again lose to Colorado by a single goal in regulation, but all in all it wasn't a bad night for the Blues because Arizona and Los Angeles both lost their games decisively and San Jose is currently down 0-3 against the worst team in the division.
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After the last couple games, I'm starting to hate Vegas more than I hate the Ducks.... What a waste of a season this has been for the Kings. No energy, very little effort, no teamwork. And, of course, my Facebook "Memories" section is full of posts from the 2012 & 2014 Cup runs.
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After the last couple games, I'm starting to hate Vegas more than I hate the Ducks.... What a waste of a season this has been for the Kings. No energy, very little effort, no teamwork. And, of course, my Facebook "Memories" section is full of posts from the 2012 & 2014 Cup runs.
I think the future for the Kings is pretty bright though. They have what could be the best prospect pool in the league, and the idea of Quentin Byfield and Alex Turcotte learning the center position from Anze Kopitar is going to put the Kings in a really good position in a few years time.
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^^ Yeah, in a few years time, just not right now in this current present.
They do get a lot of cap space back though. $9 million gets freed up from buyouts after this season and Brown's contract (at around $5.9M) and the other half of Carter's retained contract is freed up in the season after. That would be the part where Rob Blake will need to try to make sure more riskier moves with that cap space. They got Iafallo signed for $4M x 4 years so that's solid support. These next steps afterwards will be key.
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After the last couple games, I'm starting to hate Vegas more than I hate the Ducks.... What a waste of a season this has been for the Kings. No energy, very little effort, no teamwork. And, of course, my Facebook "Memories" section is full of posts from the 2012 & 2014 Cup runs.
I think the future for the Kings is pretty bright though. They have what could be the best prospect pool in the league, and the idea of Quentin Byfield and Alex Turcotte learning the center position from Anze Kopitar is going to put the Kings in a really good position in a few years time.
I felt that way earlier in the season. They had energy and a lot of team speed and were competitive -- even when they weren't winning. The last couple weeks have been tough to watch. Completely agree about Byfield and Turcotte, though, so we'll see.
My other concern is that the NHL is about to create Vegas 2.0 in Seattle. Being stuck in a division with two teams that are less than five years old, but which are dominant because of the expansion draft process that created them, is going to suck.
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My other concern is that the NHL is about to create Vegas 2.0 in Seattle. Being stuck in a division with two teams that are less than five years old, but which are dominant because of the expansion draft process that created them, is going to suck.
After the raping that most teams took with the Vegas expansion draft, most GMs got smart about their signings. At least, Dubas did. The Leafs have something like 11 UFAs coming up. Given what they're allowed to protect, there (at the moment) is literally only one contracted player that the Kraken could choose - Justin Holl (5th D-man). They only have 7 forwards under contract at the end of the season.
I don't see a repeat of what Vegas was able to pull off. They captured lightning in a bottle from a bunch of different angles.
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Agreed, I don’t see the Kraken gettin’ crackin’ like Vegas did.
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My other concern is that the NHL is about to create Vegas 2.0 in Seattle. Being stuck in a division with two teams that are less than five years old, but which are dominant because of the expansion draft process that created them, is going to suck.
After the raping that most teams took with the Vegas expansion draft, most GMs got smart about their signings. At least, Dubas did. The Leafs have something like 11 UFAs coming up. Given what they're allowed to protect, there (at the moment) is literally only one contracted player that the Kraken could choose - Justin Holl (5th D-man). They only have 7 forwards under contract at the end of the season.
I don't see a repeat of what Vegas was able to pull off. They captured lightning in a bottle from a bunch of different angles.
I hope you're right.
From what I've read, the Kings are likely to go with the 1 goalie plus 8 skaters plan. They'll definitely protect Cal Petersen and have to protect Drew Doughty. They'll also protect Anze Kopitar. Jonathan Quick and probably Dustin Brown will be available. The Kings also have a ton of young talent with varying degrees of NHL experience that would probably be exposed (Carl Grundstrom, Martin Frk, Trevor Moore, Blake Lizotte, etc.) along with guys like Andreas Athanasiou and Olli Maatta. Hopefully, Seattle decides Kurtis MacDermid needs to be an original Krakhead. :lol
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^^ If Seattle picks Kurtis MacDermid, watch him turn into the next Ryan Reaves with them.
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^^ If Seattle picks Kurtis MacDermid, watch him turn into the next Ryan Reaves with them.
Or Quick into the next Fleury. :facepalm:
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Speaking of which, out of the goalies that would be potentially exposed for Seattle to pick, who else would be their best choice?
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Speaking of which, out of the goalies that would be potentially exposed for Seattle to pick, who else would be their best choice?
The backup in Florada has been pretty fucking solid this year. Rangers also have a very good/young tandem. Holtby will also be exposed - if he isn't traded first.
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Speaking of which, out of the goalies that would be potentially exposed for Seattle to pick, who else would be their best choice?
An SI/THN mock draft from before the season started suggested: Braden Holtby, Anton Khudobin and Ville Husso.
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You know what I hate is that back in the day, they used to call off icing if the linesman thought the D-man was dogging it back. Now the D man can make no attempt to retrieve the puck, and they still call icing.
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Wow the Bruins finally beat the Islanders this year.
I really like Mike Reilly, the young d-man they got from the Sens. He was their best d-man tonight.
Taylor Hall scored his first goal tonight. He looked way more comfortable tonight.
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You know what I hate is that back in the day, they used to call off icing if the linesman thought the D-man was dogging it back. Now the D man can make no attempt to retrieve the puck, and they still call icing.
Tell me about it. Watching old games from the 80s is great, and I yearn for the days when Linesmen look for reasons NOT to call icing, vs nowadays it seems like it's the exact opposite.
Leafs are in a funk ... again. 2-46 on their PP over the last I dunno, 18ish games I think (since they had a 7 game winless streak). Freddie being on LTIR is now catching up (Campbell let in 2 really soft ones last night; Rittich's goal against was a terrible play on his - and Marner's - part), Matthews hurt again, Nylander on COVID (he's done it now), and won't have their trade acquisitions until after the weekend. Their games against Vancouver are going to be rescheduled, so they'll at least have a bit of rest to hopefully get their shit together.
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Last night's game
Bruins Trade deadline-3
Islabders-0
Mike Reilly-primary assist on Pasta's goal
Taylor Hall-Goal (2nd in two games...has doubled his goal output since the trade)
Curtis Lazar-Goal (EN)
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Gotta say, with all of the ups and downs this season, I have thoroughly enjoyed watching the Rangers kick the shit out of the Devils all week.
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I'm obviously not paying attention, mainly because I guess I assumed it would be a record that would never be broken, but tonight, Patrick Marleau will be breaking Gordie Howe's record for games played. That's amazing!
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Indeed. There are probably only a couple dozen unbeatable records. I thought this one was as well. Glad he’s doing it as a Shark
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Nice tribute to him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDFHWJ0FQZw
Just too bad it was from Bettman! Should've been from Jumbo.
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Yeah, and man, does Bettman look old!
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Nice tribute to him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDFHWJ0FQZw
Just too bad it was from Bettman! Should've been from Jumbo.
Take a look at this tweet. Jumbo had a few words to say. The video is even narrated by James Hetfield.
https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1384328699114401795
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I know fans give him a hard time, but I thought the league did a good enough job with the season last year after the shutdown to where I can give Bettman a break. If we can still consider hockey one of the four major professional team sports in the U.S., he might be the best of the commissioners at this moment. That is not saying a lot, perhaps, but it's something.
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I know fans give him a hard time, but I thought the league did a good enough job with the season last year after the shutdown to where I can give Bettman a break. If we can still consider hockey one of the four major professional team sports in the U.S., he might be the best of the commissioners at this moment. That is not saying a lot, perhaps, but it's something.
Can't disagree with that, but he will always be the one responsible for 2005 in my mind. He'll never do enough good to erase that stain.
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I mean it's a tough pill to say Gary Bettman was all right when that guy was the commissioner for about two seasons worth of games lost (94-95, 04-05, and 12-13). Ovi would have been a lot closer to Gretzky's goal record had he played those games in 04-05 and the games lost from 12-13.
Unpopular opinion, but I will say he probably made the right call to not give the ok for the NHL players to play at the Olympics in 2018 (then again, it came down to like three greedy corporate entities not getting along on the same page in all chipping what is needed to make that happen).
Speaking of Olympics, the NHL will be there for 2022 games right? I haven't kept track of that.
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I know fans give him a hard time, but I thought the league did a good enough job with the season last year after the shutdown to where I can give Bettman a break. If we can still consider hockey one of the four major professional team sports in the U.S., he might be the best of the commissioners at this moment. That is not saying a lot, perhaps, but it's something.
Can't disagree with that, but he will always be the one responsible for 2005 in my mind. He'll never do enough good to erase that stain.
I get that. And I am not saying I am a fan now or anything, just that recent history has made me want to cut him a little bit of slack.
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I know fans give him a hard time, but I thought the league did a good enough job with the season last year after the shutdown to where I can give Bettman a break. If we can still consider hockey one of the four major professional team sports in the U.S., he might be the best of the commissioners at this moment. That is not saying a lot, perhaps, but it's something.
Can't disagree with that, but he will always be the one responsible for 2005 in my mind. He'll never do enough good to erase that stain.
I don't even remember 2005, nor do I give a shit.
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^^ Well, of course, you don't remember 2005 because nothing, relevant to our viewing interest, happened at all in the NHL in the first half of the year.
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Nice tribute to him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDFHWJ0FQZw
Just too bad it was from Bettman! Should've been from Jumbo.
Take a look at this tweet. Jumbo had a few words to say. The video is even narrated by James Hetfield.
https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1384328699114401795
Gotta love Twitter...first comment I saw on that post was, "Most amount of games without a Stanley Cup."
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Nice tribute to him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDFHWJ0FQZw
Just too bad it was from Bettman! Should've been from Jumbo.
Take a look at this tweet. Jumbo had a few words to say. The video is even narrated by James Hetfield.
https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1384328699114401795
Gotta love Twitter...first comment I saw on that post was, "Most amount of games without a Stanley Cup."
I think he only made the Stanley Cup Finals once.
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^^ Yep, once. That was probably the last time Marleau made it past the 1st round of the playoffs in any team.
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^^ Yep, once. That was probably the last time Marleau made it past the 1st round of the playoffs in any team.
Indeed. Since making the finals in 2016, the Sharks made it to the second round and conference finals (in 2018 and 2019), but that was when Marleau was with the Leafs.
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Man, I thought losing in OT to the Covid Canucks was going to be the low point of the season. Nice to see Big-Save Dave (who stole a Game from the Leafs earlier in the while a Flame) showed up as No-Save Dave.
What did I say a couple pages ago.... it's amazing how goalies who are otherwise crap turn into Vezina candidates when they play the Leafs. Holtby had a 3.57GAA and sub .900 save %. Then makes 35+ saves against the Leafs in both games. The hockey Gods had it out for the Leafs on Sunday (4 times they hit the pipes), and Holtby was possessed by Hasek for at least one save. Tonight's loss was all on Rittich, and to a lesser extent the D (three soft goals by the former; twice the Canucks had rebound tap-ins courtesy of bad play from the latter).
This season is not going to end well if this team can't find some consistency. Since the end of Feb, they went on an 1-6 streak, followed by a 9-0-1 heater, now into an 0-3-2 slump.
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Looks like the Red Wings/Capitals trade is working out for both teams so far. Anthony Mantha had a goal in each of his first five games with the Caps, and Jakub Vrana now has 5 goals with the Wings thanks to a 4 goal night last night against the Stars. It's nice to see the "Yzer-Plan" come together!
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Solid W (in regular time) by the Leafs over the Jets last night. Nice to see Helly actually look like a not-extraordinary goalie.
On the flipside, the Sens shut out the Covid Canucks?!?!?! FFS, that angers me even more now that the Leafs could only must 1 point over 2 games against them. Seems the Leafs far too often manage to play to the level of their competition.
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Seems the Leafs far too often manage to play to the level of their competition.
The Bruins have the same problem. I wouldn't worry about it. The Bruins played up to and won 3 straight against the Isles and Caps, then sleptwalked through a win against Buffalo on Tuesday, and played like complete ass for two periods last night before deciding the play one period. I think that's why the B's have had so much trouble against NJ, but have had relative success against Washington.
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Blues with two huge wins over the Avs in the last three days. :tup :tup
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Blues with two huge wins over the Avs in the last three days. :tup :tup
Tonight’s game may have been the best 60 minutes of hockey they’ve played all year. Outside of that PP goal the AVs scored the Blues had them shut down
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This appears to be the other half of the NHL's national TV deal:
(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/179626009_10157894447172466_267163170011160887_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=9267fe&_nc_ohc=H82gbKlHNT4AX_mk-Xd&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=a3bee29330b60519471561f37617c3fe&oe=60ABEDE8)
Source: NHL Facebook page.
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Wheeeee. $225 million a year for the TNT/TBS package and $400 million for the ESPN deal. Both for 7 years. Plus, I think the games are going to be on a slightly bigger platform than the NBC networks as well. Things are looking up for the league when it comes to the visibility of the game in the states.
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Agree. Between ABC, ESPN(+), TBS, TNT, and HBO Max, I think the league will end up with FAR more exposure than it's gotten on NBC/NBCSN.
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Just don't bring over Pierre McGuire.
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Just don't bring over Pierre McGuire.
They already did. No joke
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Just don't bring over Pierre McGuire.
They already did. No joke
Ah see... we're off to a bad start here. What's next? Red and blue streaks?
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Pierre doesn't bother me like he does for you Chad. We have Jack Edwards. He can numb you to any other announcers. :lol
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Pierre doesn't bother me like he does for you Chad. We have Jack Edwards. He can numb you to any other announcers. :lol
True. Edwards is among my least favorite
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Pierre doesn't bother me like he does for you Chad. We have Jack Edwards. He can numb you to any other announcers. :lol
Regarding Jack Edwards, I've been meaning to ask you or TAC on how you guys feel about Jack Edwards as an announcer. I've watched a few clips of Bruins games with him on the play by play and my main thought was, "if I was an opposing fan of the Bruins, I would avoid watching feeds with him as the play by play." It's not that he's a homer for the Bruins (which is fine for the local sports feed), but the little things he say just gets me a little irked a bit.
For instance, this video.
GOTTA SEE IT: Penguins Botch 3-on-0 In Overtime Followed By Bruins' Game Winner (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU75RNs9FPA)
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But he is a big homer for the B's. It works for a lunch pale fanbase that rabid for hockey like Boston is. I completely understand how it can drive other fans batty having to listen to him but he really bring emotion for "Us homers." :lol
The balance it off with Andy Brickley. Ex player who knows his gam. Very straight forward.
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I'm done with Jack Edwards, honestly. We have Andy Brickley as a TV color guy and he's as good as they get. But he's got to put up with Jack, who blows.
When he got the gig, his quirkiness and homerism were kind of amusing. But he's just become a caricature of himself. He's actually an excellent play by play guy when he tones it down a bit. I think he tries too hard to be the Bruins' version of Tommy Heinsohn, and he comes off sounding goofy.
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Andy Brickley is one of the best color guys I've ever heard.
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Tim funny how that works for TV but the radio pundits will never be homers. Example Felger and Maz. Remember how Minahane hated the Sox openly? :lol
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Remember how I hated Minihane openly? ;D
I have no idea what he thought about the Sox.
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Remember how I hated Minihane openly? ;D
I have no idea what he thought about the Sox.
I do but the point is that it's 2 polar opposites from Tommy and Jack.
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Well, you mentioned talk show hosts. If we stay on calling the games, I think Cedric Maxwell's schtick is ridiculous. He needs to tone down his act, because he's actually pretty good as a color guy when he's not acting like a clown.
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I haven't listened to the radio in a long time but yeah. I'm not a fan of the Rem Mamba as well. Never critical.
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I actually think Scal is EXCELLENT as a color guy. He does a great job explaining the game and what's going on.
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I'm not hating like you would to Jack but I'd like to see him be a little more honest when they are playing bad.
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Pierre doesn't bother me like he does for you Chad. We have Jack Edwards. He can numb you to any other announcers. :lol
Regarding Jack Edwards, I've been meaning to ask you or TAC on how you guys feel about Jack Edwards as an announcer. I've watched a few clips of Bruins games with him on the play by play and my main thought was, "if I was an opposing fan of the Bruins, I would avoid watching feeds with him as the play by play." It's not that he's a homer for the Bruins (which is fine for the local sports feed), but the little things he say just gets me a little irked a bit.
For instance, this video.
GOTTA SEE IT: Penguins Botch 3-on-0 In Overtime Followed By Bruins' Game Winner (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU75RNs9FPA)
There were a couple points there that sounded like Will Ferrell's old SNL impersonation of Harry Carey.
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Pierre doesn't bother me like he does for you Chad. We have Jack Edwards. He can numb you to any other announcers. :lol
Regarding Jack Edwards, I've been meaning to ask you or TAC on how you guys feel about Jack Edwards as an announcer. I've watched a few clips of Bruins games with him on the play by play and my main thought was, "if I was an opposing fan of the Bruins, I would avoid watching feeds with him as the play by play." It's not that he's a homer for the Bruins (which is fine for the local sports feed), but the little things he say just gets me a little irked a bit.
For instance, this video.
GOTTA SEE IT: Penguins Botch 3-on-0 In Overtime Followed By Bruins' Game Winner (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU75RNs9FPA)
There were a couple points there that sounded like Will Ferrell's old SNL impersonation of Harry Carey.
OMG, this so much!
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I really need the Bruins to start losing. The Rangers have a legitimate shot at the playoffs, but that won’t happen if the B’s keep winning. It’s always Boston fucking things up for me.
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I really need the Bruins to start losing. The Rangers have a legitimate shot at the playoffs, but that won’t happen if the B’s keep winning. It’s always Boston fucking things up for me.
It's not going to happen, and I'm not being a homer. The only reason that the Bruins are in the spot in the standings they are is because Rask was hurt, and Halak threw up on himself in Rask's absence. Halak has just been passed by youngster Jeremy Swayman..
Charlie McAvoy played his best game in weeks tonight, as he is getting healthier. He's been battling an injury for most of the second half of the year.
Next two B's games are against Buffalo. If they don't play down to them, and that's a big IF, they should be all set.
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When the B's play physical they are a top notch team. They need that intensity every game.
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https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/31346196
NHL signs 7-year deal with Turner Sports, giving them 3 Stanley Cup Finals.
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I really need the Bruins to start losing. The Rangers have a legitimate shot at the playoffs, but that won’t happen if the B’s keep winning. It’s always Boston fucking things up for me.
Join the fucking club!
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Reading this pleases me. LOL B's looked sharp last night. When they are engaged they play a physical game that's hard to beat. The focus has not been there all year though.
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Boston’s win against Pittsburgh more or less puts the playoffs out of reach for the Rangers. The Islanders and Bruins play two games each against the Sabres and Devils before finishing the season against each other. Those four games should get them the eight points needed to push them past the Rangers.
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Holy jumpin'!!
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Holy jumpin'!!
Please. For the love all of things holy.....don’t say that anymore. I loathe Pang at this point. Homer of all homers.....it was cute when he first got here but it’s about time for a refresh.
But yes......gutsy, awesome comeback to bear a red hot team.
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Haha, he does overuse that phrase, but I still like Pang a lot.
Epic win. I don't have a lot of hope that they can beat Vegas, who looks unstoppable lately, but this is a fun stretch.
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Panger!!
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Haha, he does overuse that phrase, but I still like Pang a lot.
Epic win. I don't have a lot of hope that they can beat Vegas, who looks unstoppable lately, but this is a fun stretch.
They’re playing well. If they stay in that 4th spot and keep playing like this I wouldn’t want to play them in the first round.
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Saw the highlights last night. Wow, that was a sweet W for the Blues. :tup
Also saw an interesting stat .... the Leafs have been in 1st for 97 days - longer than any other division leader this year. Looks like there's a good chance they'll end the season that way, and the Habs (certainly based on last night's play) don't look like a tough matchup.
The Oil on the other hand ....
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Saw the highlights last night. Wow, that was a sweet W for the Blues. :tup
Also saw an interesting stat .... the Leafs have been in 1st for 97 days - longer than any other division leader this year. Looks like there's a good chance they'll end the season that way, and the Habs (certainly based on last night's play) don't look like a tough matchup.
The Oil on the other hand ....
It's hard no to be excited about what the Leafs could do in the playoffs. They're a solid team and check all the boxes. It'll just come down to performance obviously. Gotta perform.
As far as the Blues, they've looked pretty solid....even in a couple losses.....as of late. Binnington has looked pretty sharp and is back to making more than the saves than a goalie 'should' make, and he was even missing those early on. The key has been the 'star' players (and I do use that term loosely) have been scoring which of course makes it easier. Anyway, I'm certainly not assuming they'll make the playoffs due to the teams we have left on the schedule but it's encouraging to see good hockey again.
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The Oil on the other hand ....
Yeah they're humming along nicely. If Smith can maintain this form into the playoffs, Edmonton will be a force. And they've had the Jets' number all season (6 or 7 straight wins now). I wouldn't be surprised if the Jets are secretly hoping Montreal catches them in the standings so they can face the Leafs instead. Barring an upset, it's looking like Leafs v Edmonton in the second round.
McDavid needs another 16pts in the remaining 9 games to crack 100 this season. He's been on a ridiculous streak lately, and I think he can hit the mark if he just keeps doing what he does. He's had at least 3pts per game the last 5 games. I guess this hasn't happened since the 80s (as per Louie Debrusk on last night's broadcast....but he's allegedly a raging alcoholic, so who knows)
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The Oil on the other hand ....
Yeah they're humming along nicely. If Smith can maintain this form into the playoffs, Edmonton will be a force. And they've had the Jets' number all season (6 or 7 straight wins now). I wouldn't be surprised if the Jets are secretly hoping Montreal catches them in the standings so they can face the Leafs instead. Barring an upset, it's looking like Leafs v Edmonton in the second round.
McDavid needs another 16pts in the remaining 9 games to crack 100 this season. He's been on a ridiculous streak lately, and I think he can hit the mark if he just keeps doing what he does. He's had at least 3pts per game the last 5 games. I guess this hasn't happened since the 80s (as per Louie Debrusk on last night's broadcast....but he's allegedly a raging alcoholic, so who knows)
Jets problem has been Hellebucyk looking less than extraordinary, weak/inexperienced D, and the 'stars' slumping (and now Ehlers injured). They're faltering at the wrong time of the year.
And this seems to be the year where (because of playing teams 8-9 times) a strong offense has the edge over a strong defense.
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This bull shit is like the bizarro world of last night's game. :facepalm: :facepalm: Oh well, at least we will get at least a point out of it.
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This bull shit is like the bizarro world of last night's game. :facepalm: :facepalm: Oh well, at least we will get at least a point out of it.
You mean two points :tup
4 in a row against the AVs and the Wild. It was nice to get that game tonight with our backup in.
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Seems the Blues are separating from the Coyotes, and destined to get dusted by the Knights. :biggrin:
Vancouver absolutely mailed it in last night. They've clearly tapped out. Leafs should be able to put it in cruise control, and still not blow their 9-point lead over the Oil to finish 1st.
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Seems the Blues are separating from the Coyotes, and destined to get dusted by the Knights. :biggrin:
Two weeks ago I'd have thought the same thing. I will say though, they've been playing pretty sharp lately and look to be hitting their stride at the right time. If they keep this focus throughout the rest of the season and enter the playoffs playing like this.....I think that series would go 7 games and not be the slaughter I'd have thought it'd be a couple weeks ago. This is where you cannot discount the playoff championship experience that they'll bring to the plate....especially if they're playing confident hockey like they are now. It'd be a brutal and tough series to play but I don't think they'll get 'dusted' by any means.
Since 4/1 the Blues have the #1 PP....have score a PP goal in 9 straight. They were #3 last year, so....if that stays clicking it's a part of the game that immediately gets you back into a game.
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Speaking of the Knights. How is an expansion team that good out of the gates and they've kept that great play every year? I have a friend who has season tickets to them. He's out there a lot because he became a professional card player and we talk about the Knights all the time.
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Speaking of the Knights. How is an expansion team that good out of the gates and they've kept that great play every year? I have a friend who has season tickets to them. He's out there a lot because he became a professional card player and we talk about the Knights all the time.
The expansion draft rules helped a whole lot, I'd say. But I'm definitely surprised they've been able to maintain that success for 3 years now. I think these new draft rules were a good thing for new a new franchise. It's hard to build a fanbase out of the gate if your team is an bottom feeder for most of a decade.
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Speaking of the Knights. How is an expansion team that good out of the gates and they've kept that great play every year? I have a friend who has season tickets to them. He's out there a lot because he became a professional card player and we talk about the Knights all the time.
The expansion draft rules helped a whole lot, I'd say. But I'm definitely surprised they've been able to maintain that success for 3 years now. I think these new draft rules were a good thing for new a new franchise. It's hard to build a fanbase out of the gate if your team is an bottom feeder for most of a decade.
Yeah.....they fleeced the league in that original expansion draft. They were set up to succeed right off the bat. Plus, they're a 'destination' team.....no state income tax.....players just want to do there also.
It won't last forever for them but it's certainly been a good start.
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Plus, the resurgence of Fleury.
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Plus, the resurgence of Fleury.
Totally. I don't think anyone can honestly say that they believed he'd be playing at the level that he is? If so, Pitt would have never gotten rid of him.
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Last night was probably the final nail in the coffin for this Rangers season.
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Plus, the resurgence of Fleury.
Totally. I don't think anyone can honestly say that they believed he'd be playing at the level that he is? If so, Pitt would have never gotten rid of him.
If you look at that backups they've been good or better as well. They've got great structure for a young team as well.
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Last night was probably the final nail in the coffin for this Rangers season.
Guaranteed. If they had swept the home/home vs the Isles, they may have had a chance of catching THEM instead of the Bruins. No chance to catch either now. Too bad, they've been red hot lately. In 2-3 years, Rangers will be leading the Metro once all the stars in DC and Pitt age-out.
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Just don't bring over Pierre McGuire.
They already did. No joke
Ah see... we're off to a bad start here. What's next? Red and blue streaks?
Nope... THIS is what's next! :lolpalm:
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/tnt-botches-nhl-promotion-mistakes-andrew-ference-for-connor-mcdavid-154003252.html
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Last night was probably the final nail in the coffin for this Rangers season.
Guaranteed. If they had swept the home/home vs the Isles, they may have had a chance of catching THEM instead of the Bruins. No chance to catch either now. Too bad, they've been red hot lately. In 2-3 years, Rangers will be leading the Metro once all the stars in DC and Pitt age-out.
The cynic in me expects them to screw it up, but I’m trying to be optimistic about the future.
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Just don't bring over Pierre McGuire.
They already did. No joke
Ah see... we're off to a bad start here. What's next? Red and blue streaks?
Nope... THIS is what's next! :lolpalm:
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/tnt-botches-nhl-promotion-mistakes-andrew-ference-for-connor-mcdavid-154003252.html
The follow-up after that picture was Shaq trying to name three NHL teams. I had a good laugh on that one.
https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/1387265461595742212
Now in all fairness, if you ask me to name three NBA players currently in the league outside of Curry and Lebron, I wouldn't know anyone. In hindsight, a better question to test Shaq would have been to name three NHL players in the league.
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Just don't bring over Pierre McGuire.
They already did. No joke
Ah see... we're off to a bad start here. What's next? Red and blue streaks?
Nope... THIS is what's next! :lolpalm:
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/tnt-botches-nhl-promotion-mistakes-andrew-ference-for-connor-mcdavid-154003252.html
The follow-up after that picture was Shaq trying to name three NHL teams. I had a good laugh on that one.
https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/1387265461595742212
Yeah, I saw that. "California Kings". FFS dude!!! YOU PLAYED IN THE SAME FUCKING ARENA FOR 8 YEARS!!!
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As usual, the Blues are incapable of hitting an empty net when the other team has their goalie pulled, and naturally the Wild then score and tie it up. :facepalm: :facepalm:
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And they lose in OT... :censored :censored
Oh well, I guess I can't be too unhappy since they got 5 out of a possible 6 points in the three games at Minnesota this week.
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And they lose in OT... :censored :censored
Oh well, I guess I can't be too unhappy since they got 5 out of a possible 6 points in the three games at Minnesota this week.
They got dicked. That icing right before the Wild scored was not an icing. If the defenseman can play the puck it shouldn’t be an icing.
Either way...like you said.....5 of 6 points and we essentially outplayed the Wild this whole game as well. If that lucky tip in goal doesn’t go in that’s game over. Oh well.
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If the defenseman can play the puck it shouldn’t be an icing.
I had a rant on this last week. It's bullshit. The D-men don't even try and get it.
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I like the automatic icing rule now, instead of the defensemen having to race back and touch it, but I hate how the officials just let the d-men get away too often with slowing up on pucks that shouldn't be icing and then whistle it.
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Right. I don't have a problem with the automatic icing, but back in the day, if the D-man showed no effort, they'd wave it off.
The other rule I hate is that if you go stick on stick on a guy, and he drops his stick, it's a penalty. WTF is "slashing the stick"? That was never a thing.
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If the defenseman can play the puck it shouldn’t be an icing.
I had a rant on this last week. It's bullshit. The D-men don't even try and get it.
This instance tonight was pretty egregious. Blues clear the puck out of the zone killing a 6 on 5 and their D guy skates like a two year old and Lolly Gagged and the puck goes by him and they called icing. Pretty much BS. They tie it up while in the zone on off that face off. Maybe they score no matter what but the icing call was BS.
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Well, the Kings lost badly against the Ducks today, 2-6. Somehow, because of the way this season's schedule works, they faced that team four times this week. Thank goodness, that season series is over with, but that's not the point I wanted to make here.
After the game was over, the entire team decided to give a handshake to Ducks' goalie, Ryan Miller, on a career well done in probably his last home game of his career. Obviously, the main thing I recall from him was that he had a great run as USA's starting goalie in the Vancouver games in 2010.
https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1388714838982004736
I even forgot he was still playing. Heck, there's a few other players on that roster I think some people forgot are on that Ducks roster. David Backes (on the taxi squad) and Ryan Kesler on LTIR.
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Naturally, every Canadian remembers he was the one in net for the golden goal. However, here's an example that Canadians can be savage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbVgp7aip3w
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Typical Bruins Devils game tonight. B's outshoot them 17-4 in the 1st. They've had two 40 shot shutout losses against NJ this season.
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A healthy Robert Thomas is such a joy to watch. For the Blues to pull off a 1st round upset, they will need him healthy and playing like he did tonight. Just need 4 points in the last six games to lock up the 4th spot in the West.
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A healthy Robert Thomas is such a joy to watch. For the Blues to pull off a 1st round upset, they will need him healthy and playing like he did tonight. Just need 4 points in the last six games to lock up the 4th spot in the West.
Yep. He has elite skill. Has had a heck of a time staying healthy this year though.
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Tom Wilson could have killed Artemi Panarin. He should be suspended for the season, including playoffs, and don’t even think about asking to be reinstated until next year. There’s no place for that in the game.
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Tom Wilson could have killed Artemi Panarin. He should be suspended for the season, including playoffs, and don’t even think about asking to be reinstated until next year. There’s no place for that in the game.
Yup. Wilson is real piece of shit. I would love to see him out of the league, and he doesn't even play in my conference so I don't have to put up with his garbage play.
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Tom Wilson could have killed Artemi Panarin. He should be suspended for the season, including playoffs, and don’t even think about asking to be reinstated until next year. There’s no place for that in the game.
Yup. Wilson is real piece of shit. I would love to see him out of the league, and he doesn't even play in my conference so I don't have to put up with his garbage play.
Sorry, but what am I missing? The little punch he threw at the guy who was down on the ice was weak, but so was the punch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B2Ok4zQ0ho
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Tom Wilson could have killed Artemi Panarin. He should be suspended for the season, including playoffs, and don’t even think about asking to be reinstated until next year. There’s no place for that in the game.
Yup. Wilson is real piece of shit. I would love to see him out of the league, and he doesn't even play in my conference so I don't have to put up with his garbage play.
Sorry, but what am I missing? The little punch he threw at the guy who was down on the ice was weak, but so was the punch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B2Ok4zQ0ho
You're missing the cross check to the neck on the original play, the punch to the back of the head after he goes down (from the cross check to the neck), and the body slam on Panarin that causes his head to ricochet off the ice. And don't forget about Wilson's loooong history of suspensions for being a complete, utter sack of shit (including 5+ games earlier this season).
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Not defending Wilson or his history, but he didn't cross-check anyone (and certainly not Panarin) to the ice. Buchnevich went down naturally as a result of the scrum for the puck. I didn't miss the punch to the back of Buchnevich's head -- I expressly mentioned it in my prior post -- but like I said, it was a pretty weak punch (and, again, it doesn't have anything to do with Panarin, which was the objectionable part mentioned by TheCount). After that, it's pretty much a standard scrum. Is the objectionable part when Wilson picks up Panarin by the back of his shirt? As someone who doesn't have much history watching Wilson (except for what I occasionally see on national highlights), this just doesn't look all that egregious. It kinda looks like he's trying to pick up Panarin so that they can fight standing up, but (1) he doesn't have a great grip because he's still wearing his gloves, and (2) it looks like Panarin's skates slip, which causes him to fall back to the ice.
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Not defending Wilson or his history, but he didn't cross-check anyone (and certainly not Panarin) to the ice. Buchnevich went down naturally as a result of the scrum for the puck. I didn't miss the punch to the back of Buchnevich's head -- I expressly mentioned it in my prior post -- but like I said, it was a pretty weak punch (and, again, it doesn't have anything to do with Panarin, which was the objectionable part mentioned by TheCount). After that, it's pretty much a standard scrum. Is the objectionable part when Wilson picks up Panarin by the back of his shirt? As someone who doesn't have much history watching Wilson (except for what I occasionally see on national highlights), this just doesn't look all that egregious. It kinda looks like he's trying to pick up Panarin so that they can fight standing up, but (1) he doesn't have a great grip because he's still wearing his gloves, and (2) it looks like Panarin's skates slip, which causes him to fall back to the ice.
Considering Wilson’s history, you’re giving him way too much credit. He should have been out of the league years ago, and it’s time for the league to take action before he hurts someone more seriously.
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Really not sure how DPS thinks that was just a $5,000 (max under the CBA) fine. If - especially given his history - that wasn't suspendible, I dunno what is.
Edit... what the Count said.
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Takes a lot for me to agree with the Rangers, but don't blame them in the least for calling for George Parros' job. The NHL should take some of that new TV money and build a giant slingshot to launch Tom Wilson into the sun (and all the better if they make room for Brad Marchand while they're at it :lol)
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^^ Oh, I see. It's a public statement from the Rangers. From their Twitter. I'm not expecting anything to be done about this, sadly.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0k350kXsAYdt1t?format=jpg)
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This isn't a fun week if you are a Rangers fan. Now, per Elliotte Friedman and other sources, the Rangers have fired John Davidson and Jeff Gorton. Their President and GM. With only three games left in their season.
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1390015161080090627
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As they are building this team into a winning team again. Nolan is a cancer of an owner.
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This isn't a fun week if you are a Rangers fan. Now, per Elliotte Friedman and other sources, the Rangers have fired John Davidson and Jeff Gorton. Their President and GM. With only three games left in their season.
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1390015161080090627
Wow... are you f'n kidding. They'd be right in the playoff hunt in any other Division, and have a very bright future. SMH
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Good to see the Rangers went right after Tom Wilson from the start tonight, since the NHL was gutless and let him off the hook.
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In their eyes, justice demands retribution so I'm not surprised they are approaching today's game that way.
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Well, may not be much coming down the stretch, but Kings won their final two games in the series against the Coyotes. That's something. All 4 Centers (Kopitar, Byfield, Vilardi, Anderson-Dolan) got a point in today's game. That's something. Kopitar got his 1000th point in the NHL by winning a faceoff in their zone in the last minute that led to an empty net goal, that's also really something.
I look at that 2005 Draft and I keep chucking and thinking to myself, "Sure, the draft is a crapshoot. Some players that had a lot of potential didn't live up to it in the long run and other players with not a lot of buzz turned out to be amazing players." At the same time, though, I also think thank goodness eight other teams (maybe nine depending on how you feel about Carey Price with the Habs) passed on Kopitar and the Kings nabbed him and now he's part of four guys that has scored 1000 points in a Kings' uniform.
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As they are building this team into a winning team again. Nolan is a cancer of an owner.
James Dolan needs to sell both teams.
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Looks like the only thing to be decided is some seedings, and Nashville or Dallas. Mathematically, the Flames or Canucks could catch Montreal, and the Kings could catch the Blues, but those ain't gonna happen.
Some seedings could change - Boston is on a fucking roll right now. Then again, so is Pitt. Isles and Caps should be worried. Florida and Tampa could flip-flop, but I think they're guaranteed to be a 1st round matchup. Ditto with Avs/Wild. I'll be stunned if the Habs leapfrog the Jets.
Anyone else think that the the league might scrap the final 3 Van-Cgy games if (it's a foregone conclusion) they're both eliminated? I mean fuck, they could even scrap the Edm game on the 15th as well if the playoff seeding is set in stone (which it likely will be), and thus wrap up the season for all four divisions on the 13th. The Blues and Avs are the playoff bound teams with the most games to play, and they both wrap up on the 13th. If the league can scrap Vancouver's games with Edm and the final 3 with Calgary, they could start the playoffs across the board by the weekend of the 15th.
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I think the league plays them out. What I'm more interested in seeing is how the league handles the conference finals and cup final with the border crossing that would need to happen. Would it be weird if the Leafs win the Cup but had to play their home games in Buffalo?
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I think they'll end up moving the Canadian team to the US for round 3. I just can't imagine our Feds allowing a pro sports team to fly in and out while covid is running rampant up here, and especially in Alberta and Ontario.
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Also, with McDavid chasing 100pts they won't cut his season short just because Calgary and Vancouver are dumpster fires
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I think they'll end up moving the Canadian team to the US for round 3. I just can't imagine our Feds allowing a pro sports team to fly in and out while covid is running rampant up here, and especially in Alberta and Ontario.
Well, that's still a month away. A lot can change in a month.
Another issue is whether US teams/organizations would want to come into Canada as a measure of (un)safety. Frankly the bigger risk is already *in* Canada, not bringing something in from the US.
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Also, with McDavid chasing 100pts they won't cut his season short just because Calgary and Vancouver are dumpster fires
Fair... so they don't scrap the Edm game. And jingle.daughter made a good point - the playoffs could start even with the final 3 Van/Cgy games still to play.
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Yeah Chad. I agree on the B's. They are firing on all cylinders right now. Rask seems healthy and playing well and the rookie Swayman has been excellent. Hall has played well with Krejci. Their weakness is last 2 lines. Not as strong as it has been in the past.
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I think they'll end up moving the Canadian team to the US for round 3. I just can't imagine our Feds allowing a pro sports team to fly in and out while covid is running rampant up here, and especially in Alberta and Ontario.
Well, that's still a month away. A lot can change in a month.
Another issue is whether US teams/organizations would want to come into Canada as a measure of (un)safety. Frankly the bigger risk is already *in* Canada, not bringing something in from the US.
Oh I'm well aware that the bigger issue with covid is on our side of the border right now. I live in fucking 'berta. The only place on the planet with more covid than us is India.
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I am setting the Over/Under on how many playoff games the Blues will win at 1.5.
And I'd probably take the Under.
They might squeeze out one win against Vegas in the first round, but that's it. Yeah, yeah, "just get into the playoffs and anything can happen," but I've seen enough out of this team to know that they are going to be a quick out later this month.
Time to watch 2019 clips again on YT, I guess... :lol :lol
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While a few things could technically change, I think the playoff seedings are all but set. I don't see the Avs catching the Knights (or the Wild catching the Avs for that matter); same with Isles/Bruins. If anything, the Jets could drop below Montreal, which would be very disappointing. I'm always fearful of a team on a slump, and Helly is the kind of goalie that can steal a game or two over the course of a series.
Predictions in a few days.
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Does anyone have a definitive source as to how the Conference finals will go? I found one site that illustrated a bracket showing the North and East winners will face each other, and the West/Central in the other final. Is that for sure, or is the league re-ranking?
Also, Leafs players are getting their first vaccine shots today. Hopefully they're all right by Wednesday. Not that these two games mean anything. I'm kinda hoping they give Anderson both starts, so that he can get back into NHL level gameplay. I got a feeling he's going to be the backup to Campbell out of the gate. No reason NOT to give Jack the starting role.
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I am setting the Over/Under on how many playoff games the Blues will win at 1.5.
And I'd probably take the Under.
They might squeeze out one win against Vegas in the first round, but that's it. Yeah, yeah, "just get into the playoffs and anything can happen," but I've seen enough out of this team to know that they are going to be a quick out later this month.
Time to watch 2019 clips again on YT, I guess... :lol :lol
Im not as pessimistic. I think that the Championship experience the Blues have will of not produce an ‘upset’ it will take Vegas to 7 games.
The games that Vegas has beat us in the past few years....outside of one this season when we were in a funk.....have all been close games.
I think it’ll be a hard fought series and that the Blues have every chance to win it.
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Does anyone have a definitive source as to how the Conference finals will go? I found one site that illustrated a bracket showing the North and East winners will face each other, and the West/Central in the other final. Is that for sure, or is the league re-ranking?
The league is ranking the final 4 teams by regular season point totals.
https://www.nhl.com/redwings/news/nhl-nhlpa-season-start-agreement/c-319846262
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Does anyone have a definitive source as to how the Conference finals will go? I found one site that illustrated a bracket showing the North and East winners will face each other, and the West/Central in the other final. Is that for sure, or is the league re-ranking?
The league is ranking the final 4 teams by regular season point totals.
https://www.nhl.com/redwings/news/nhl-nhlpa-season-start-agreement/c-319846262
There ya go! I think that's the right way, since there are no "conferences", only divisions with this year's alignment.
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That didn’t take long. Both Tocchet and Torts are not getting renewed.
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That didn’t take long. Both Tocchet and Torts are not getting renewed.
I didn't think there was anyway Torts was coming back. That team had way too much drama and never played well enough.
How/why did they let Josh Anderson go?
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That didn’t take long. Both Tocchet and Torts are not getting renewed.
Probably just switch teams. I could see Torts taking over Arizona
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That didn’t take long. Both Tocchet and Torts are not getting renewed.
Probably just switch teams. I could see Torts taking over Arizona
Agree on the latter. I don't see Tocchet landing anywhere - he just doesn't strike me as an NHL-caliber coach (yet). As for Anderson, I think he needed a change of scene. Jarmo got the losing end on both his 'big' deals. Domi has been a big disappointment, and Anderson is the #2 goal-scorer in Mtl. Laine (other than a handful of excellent plays) has been a steaming turd. For a 'pure' goal scorer, he didn't score that much - 1 goals, and a brutal -29 with the Jackets. The latter is worst on the team - by a large margin (ironically, over Domi :lol)
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Apparently, when it came to Laine, Torts had a different idea of how he wants to utilized Laine than how Laine was utilized effectively with the Jets. I think a lot of people knew that when this trade happened, Torts and Laine was not going to be on the same page with a lot of stuff.
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There's been a bit of a disconnect between myself and the organization. It's been tough at times. Right now, for me, the most important thing now is to try to get healthy, figure out a way to be available to play hockey next year, wherever that might be.
-- Jack Eichel
So, where's he gonna land next year? Who needs that kind of player, and has the right assets/cap space to give up? Disregarding the latter for the moment (cuz I have no idea the machinations that would need to be involved), San Jose sure as shit needs some offense. He could be a missing link that REALLY puts the Rangers over the top. Isles could use a marquee name. So could Ottawa, and they've got a ton of young talent (NHL and minors) that could be offered up if Buffalo wants to rebuild.
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The Kings have the prospects/picks/expandable roster players/cap space to get Eichel. I wouldn't want them to do it though. Although, if they can sucker punch Buffalo into retaining some cap space, and the Kings give up whatever minor pieces and still end up keeping Byfield/Vilardi, it may be tempting.
Eichel is probably going to the Rangers if he gets traded. They do not look like they are horribly locked into some bad contracts long-term (unlike the Sharks) and have the assets needed to get it done.
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Taylor Hall (2 goals tonight) scored a sick goal in OT. Highlight reel!
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Taylor Hall (2 goals tonight) scored a sick goal in OT. Highlight reel!
It certainly was. Unreal goal.
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Taylor Hall (2 goals tonight) scored a sick goal in OT. Highlight reel!
It certainly was. Unreal goal.
Yeah, that one was filthy.
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Interesting and opposite approaches by the B's and Caps in tonight's season finale. They're meeting each other in the 1st round of the playoffs.
Tonight the B's are sitting everyone,. They're basically the Providence Bruins and the Caps, other than Oshie, appear to be playing all of their regulars.
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Interesting and opposite approaches by the B's and Caps in tonight's season finale. They're meeting each other in the 1st round of the playoffs.
Tonight the B's are sitting everyone,. They're basically the Providence Bruins and the Caps, other than Oshie, appear to be playing all of their regulars.
Nothing like having to face Chara in the 1st round, eh? ;)
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Here's your future trivia question answer:
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Well, looking at the scoreboards today. Yeesshhhh, the Kings and Sharks got both slaughtered by the Avs and Golden Knights. Both games ended 6-0. I think both Sharks and Kings are done for the season, mentally. Well, the Sharks are officially done. The Kings still have to go through one more game against the Avs. I think no matter what, based on standings by slim margins, the Kings have reclaimed the best team in California title (which has horrifyingly depreciated in value over the last few years). Just let me have this one.
There were some ok moments in that season, which included a 6 game winning streak and Kopitar making it to 1000 points in the NHL, but yeah...., not much gelling as a team. There was a lot of shuffling in the bottom nine lines when it was mainly Iafallo-Kopitar-Brown for the most part of the season as a constant first line. Hopefully, some solid moves can be made in the offseason and hopefully, the team can have some solid lines that can stick well, and hopefully, some of those promising AHL forward prospects can do well enough at training camp to crack a roster spot.
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Can’t believe I’m saying this, but I’m rooting for LA tonight. I quite like Vegas and it would be cool to see a team win the President’s Trophy in its fourth season. Keep setting the bar higher for expansion teams.
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Can’t believe I’m saying this, but I’m rooting for LA tonight. I quite like Vegas and it would be cool to see a team win the President’s Trophy in its fourth season. Keep setting the bar higher for expansion teams.
Nah. Vegas’ coach Pete Debore is a massive cry baby who whines about everything. I’d hate to see him get such an honor. It’ll be fitting for him to tie for the lead then lose out by a tie break.
As a Blues fan....I don’t care which team they play because they’ve been playing great the last few weeks and it’ll be a fun series to ‘upset’ someone.
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Can’t believe I’m saying this, but I’m rooting for LA tonight. I quite like Vegas and it would be cool to see a team win the President’s Trophy in its fourth season. Keep setting the bar higher for expansion teams.
Nah. Vegas’ coach Pete Debore is a massive cry baby who whines about everything. I’d hate to see him get such an honor. It’ll be fitting for him to tie for the lead then lose out by a tie break.
As a Blues fan....I don’t care which team they play because they’ve been playing great the last few weeks and it’ll be a fun series to ‘upset’ someone.
All I’m gonna say is be careful what you wish for, although odds are the road to the SCF for the Blues goes through both Vegas and Denver.
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Can’t believe I’m saying this, but I’m rooting for LA tonight. I quite like Vegas and it would be cool to see a team win the President’s Trophy in its fourth season. Keep setting the bar higher for expansion teams.
Nah. Vegas’ coach Pete Debore is a massive cry baby who whines about everything. I’d hate to see him get such an honor. It’ll be fitting for him to tie for the lead then lose out by a tie break.
As a Blues fan....I don’t care which team they play because they’ve been playing great the last few weeks and it’ll be a fun series to ‘upset’ someone.
All I’m gonna say is be careful what you wish for, although odds are the road to the SCF for the Blues goes through both Vegas and Denver.
Well of course. The AVs and Vegas are really good teams. But then again, take a look at all the first round match ups and literally any one of the teams could win them. Especially in this format of the top 4 teams playing....there are no guarantees or 'easy' teams. These are all going to be hard fought series across the board. People said that the covid tournament last year was the 'toughest' cup to win.....I'd wager this one is WAY more tough given the format and the skill of the teams that are in it. That covid tournament was what it was.....a league scratching it's way anyway it could to get a product out....but I don't think it was the 'toughest' cup to win.
I'll take my chances with whomever the Blues play. They've played both teams well this season with most of the games being one goal losses. I like the experience of the Blues in the playoff situation . Of course then it comes down to who's goalie is going to make the saves they shouldn't AND make all the saves they should. So, it'll be interesting for sure.
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Just reading that the AVs are resting a lot of players tonight. I’d rather play Minnesota than the Blues as well. Curious to see their effort tonight.
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^^ Oh swell, that probably means they will only win 3-2 instead of 6-0 against the Kings today.
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Yep, the Avs will likely tank tonight to ensure playing the Wild in the first round.
Gary, you are far more optimistic about the Blues chances than I am. Let's hope I am wrong and you are correct.
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Yep, the Avs will likely tank tonight to ensure playing the Wild in the first round.
Gary, you are far more optimistic about the Blues chances than I am. Let's hope I am wrong and you are correct.
I just like the way certain players have been playing heading into the playoffs. It was a brutal season given all the injuries we had but they have managed to right the ship and are playing a team game right now. With the Championship experience they have and the right guys playing well....all I know is I wouldn’t be excited about drawing them the first round. It’s not going to be an easy series to win against them.
Vegas and Colorado have really good teams. But you still have to execute when it counts. If they do then they’ll be tough to beat. But if their butts pucker and they start feeling the pressure then we will see what their made of. The majority of the Blues squad has proven they can handle the pressure of the Cup run. I think that’s just as valuable as anything else.
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I really don't have faith in any of the 4th-seeded teams. Other than the Isles, they are all (on a points basis) a case of the 'cream of the crap' of their division. On the other hand, all of the 2-3 matchups look very close (assuming the Jets can get their heads out of their collective asses).
I'd hate to be a Calgary or Vancouver fan or player. Four absolutely lame-duck games in the next week. I can't see anyone putting out a full/intense effort - no one's gonna want to get hurt or injured.
Vegas and Colorado have really good teams. But you still have to execute when it counts. If they do then they’ll be tough to beat. But if their butts pucker and they start feeling the pressure then we will see what their made of. The majority of the Blues squad has proven they can handle the pressure of the Cup run. I think that’s just as valuable as anything else.
Not every great team is like the '14 or '15 Blues. :biggrin:
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Kinda pissed at the NHL for not starting the North series' until next Wed/Thu, and then forcing a back-to-back for both between games 3 and 4. Why the fuck don't they just start them sooner, since the Van/Cgy games have NO IMPACT OR BEARING on the playoffs. I can only think it has to do with TV revenue.
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I think . . . [the] Kings are done for the season, mentally.
Ya think?! Did you see or read about McLellan's press conference after the game?
This has been such an awful season, although that made it easy for me to forego going through all the rigmarole and cost of going to a game.
It'll be interesting to see which of the core four are with the team to begin next year. They have over $32M in cap space tied up with Kopitar, Brown, Doughty and Quick (plus $2.6M of Carter's salary and just over $1M for Dion Phaneuf). Kopitar and Doughty aren't going anywhere. I'd like to see Brown and Quick retire as Kings. Brown could stick around for his final year, but I don't see how they keep Quick on the roster for two more years.
Just reading that the AVs are resting a lot of players tonight. I’d rather play Minnesota than the Blues as well. Curious to see their effort tonight.
Well...the Kings are starting Troy Grosenick in net, so....
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Yep, the Avs will likely tank tonight to ensure playing the Wild in the first round.
Gary, you are far more optimistic about the Blues chances than I am. Let's hope I am wrong and you are correct.
I just like the way certain players have been playing heading into the playoffs. It was a brutal season given all the injuries we had but they have managed to right the ship and are playing a team game right now. With the Championship experience they have and the right guys playing well....all I know is I wouldn’t be excited about drawing them the first round. It’s not going to be an easy series to win against them.
Vegas and Colorado have really good teams. But you still have to execute when it counts. If they do then they’ll be tough to beat. But if their butts pucker and they start feeling the pressure then we will see what their made of. The majority of the Blues squad has proven they can handle the pressure of the Cup run. I think that’s just as valuable as anything else.
Very true, but Binnington will need to be on his game almost every night. He can't pull this "mediocre one game, awesome the next" routine that he pulls far too often. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy, and I give him the most credit for the G7 win over the Bruins (he played out of his mind in the 1st period before the rest of the team pulled their heads out of their asses), but a little more consistency sometimes would be nice.
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Guys, isn't Vegas banged up going into the playoffs?
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Guys, isn't Vegas banged up going into the playoffs?
I certainly hope so. Vegas is one of only 3-4 of the playoff teams that I absolutely do NOT want to see win the Cup.
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Yep, the Avs will likely tank tonight to ensure playing the Wild in the first round.
Gary, you are far more optimistic about the Blues chances than I am. Let's hope I am wrong and you are correct.
I just like the way certain players have been playing heading into the playoffs. It was a brutal season given all the injuries we had but they have managed to right the ship and are playing a team game right now. With the Championship experience they have and the right guys playing well....all I know is I wouldn’t be excited about drawing them the first round. It’s not going to be an easy series to win against them.
Vegas and Colorado have really good teams. But you still have to execute when it counts. If they do then they’ll be tough to beat. But if their butts pucker and they start feeling the pressure then we will see what their made of. The majority of the Blues squad has proven they can handle the pressure of the Cup run. I think that’s just as valuable as anything else.
Very true, but Binnington will need to be on his game almost every night. He can't pull this "mediocre one game, awesome the next" routine that he pulls far too often. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy, and I give him the most credit for the G7 win over the Bruins (he played out of his mind in the 1st period before the rest of the team pulled their heads out of their asses), but a little more consistency sometimes would be nice.
I agree. But, Ever since his “we’re coming” comment he’s been on his game. I forgot the stats but he’s been near the top of them for the past month or so. If he gains some momentum it’s good news.
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Guys, isn't Vegas banged up going into the playoffs?
I certainly hope so. Vegas is one of only 3-4 of the playoff teams that I absolutely do NOT want to see win the Cup.
This, so much. They’re my number 2 least liked after the Bruins.
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I agree. But, Ever since his “we’re coming” comment he’s been on his game. I forgot the stats but he’s been near the top of them for the past month or so. If he gains some momentum it’s good news.
For sure.
And we gets the Avs in Round 1. Should be interesting.
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I agree. But, Ever since his “we’re coming” comment he’s been on his game. I forgot the stats but he’s been near the top of them for the past month or so. If he gains some momentum it’s good news.
For sure.
And we gets the Avs in Round 1. Should be interesting.
Yes it should. We beat them opening night 4-1 then got stomped 8-0 then next night then:
Lost 3-2
Lost 2-1
Lost 4-3
Lost 4-2 (empty net goal...was 3-2)
Won 5-3
Won 4-1
Outside of the second game of the year we've played right with them in every game and even in a couple of those losses outplayed them but they found ways to win like good teams do. The last two games we beat them was after the Blues finally started looking like the Blues should. So, while they are a very intimidating team for sure....I'm not one of the ones who is convinced that Colorado is going to wipe the floor with us. You gotta play the games and earn it. Like I mentioned earlier....I like having that Championship run experience sitting on our bench. I'll take the 'underdog' role in this one. It'll be a fun series to watch.
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One of my rules of life is "Never deprive anyone of hope; it might be all they have". :lol
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One of my rules of life is "Never deprive anyone of hope; it might be all they have". :lol
:lol I could be blinded in this moment. Who knows? We will know in a couple weeks
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I agree. But, Ever since his “we’re coming” comment he’s been on his game. I forgot the stats but he’s been near the top of them for the past month or so. If he gains some momentum it’s good news.
For sure.
And we gets the Avs in Round 1. Should be interesting.
Yes it should. We beat them opening night 4-1 then got stomped 8-0 then next night then:
Lost 3-2
Lost 2-1
Lost 4-3
Lost 4-2 (empty net goal...was 3-2)
Won 5-3
Won 4-1
Outside of the second game of the year we've played right with them in every game and even in a couple of those losses outplayed them but they found ways to win like good teams do. The last two games we beat them was after the Blues finally started looking like the Blues should. So, while they are a very intimidating team for sure....I'm not one of the ones who is convinced that Colorado is going to wipe the floor with us. You gotta play the games and earn it. Like I mentioned earlier....I like having that Championship run experience sitting on our bench. I'll take the 'underdog' role in this one. It'll be a fun series to watch.
If the bolded part isn't optimism, I don't know what is. :lol
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I think he's trying to say that (other than the 8-0 ass-raping) all of the Blues' losses to them this season were essentially 1-goal games.
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I think he's trying to say that (other than the 8-0 ass-raping) all of the Blues' losses to them this season were essentially 1-goal games.
Yeah I know. Still trying to be positive. Sounds like Kev isn't. Honestly, I don't know what to think. Our division the 4 teams in the playoffs all possible to get to the cup.
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Well, the President's Cup winner hasn't made it past the 2nd round since 2015, so let's hope that trend continues and the Avs go down in the 1st round. :biggrin:
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The Golden Knights are a scary team too.
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I think I get where Kev is coming from as well. The Championship run of 2019 I and most Blues fans never had much doubt they'd win it all. Everything fell into place and they were just playing SO confident and well as a team and as fans there was never a sense of worry or that they weren't going to pull it out. It really was a 'magical' run and experience. It's tough to explain.....
That feeling was a once in a lifetime deal I think. There's certainly not that feeling surrounding this incarnation of the Blues given the season they've had. Where my optimism falls is just leaning on the experience that they have from that run and the fact that they are just now over the past few weeks starting to play as a team and have a good team game going. Will it be enough to be able to beat two juggernaut teams in a row? Who knows? But I don't think they're in danger of getting slaughtered 4-1 or anything like that. I can easily see a 7 game series happening given how well they've played against Colorado. Anyway.....
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Predictions:
East:
Penguins v Isles
Caps v Bruins
Central
Canes v Preds
Panthers v Lightning
North
Leafs v Habs
Oil v Jets
West
Avs v Blues
Knights v Wild
Division Finals
Penguins v Bruins
Canes v Lightning
Leafs v Oil (yes, this is a homer pick)
Avs v Knights
Stanley Cup Semi-Final
Leafs v Lightning
Avs v Bruins
Stanley Cup
Avs v Lightning
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Prediction time! And just like every year, I’m sure the team I pick to win it all will be eliminated by the second round.
East
Penguins vs Islanders
Capitals vs Bruins
Penguins vs Bruins
Central
Hurricanes vs Predators
Panthers vs Lightning
Hurricanes vs Panthers
West
Avalanche vs Blues
Golden Knights vs Wild
Golden Knights vs Blues
North
Maple Leafs vs Canadiens
Oilers vs Jets
Maple Leafs vs Oilers
Semi-Finals
Golden Knights vs Oilers
Panthers vs Penguins
Finals
Oilers vs Panthers
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Finals
Oilers vs Panthers
Prediction time! And just like every year, I’m sure the team I pick to win it all will be eliminated by the second round.
I hope so!!! :biggrin:
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Well I'm done with hockey for a few months. Hopefully the Kraken can give me a winning team. California sure ain't doin it. ::)
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I think I get where Kev is coming from as well. The Championship run of 2019 I and most Blues fans never had much doubt they'd win it all. Everything fell into place and they were just playing SO confident and well as a team and as fans there was never a sense of worry or that they weren't going to pull it out. It really was a 'magical' run and experience. It's tough to explain.....
That feeling was a once in a lifetime deal I think. There's certainly not that feeling surrounding this incarnation of the Blues given the season they've had. Where my optimism falls is just leaning on the experience that they have from that run and the fact that they are just now over the past few weeks starting to play as a team and have a good team game going. Will it be enough to be able to beat two juggernaut teams in a row? Who knows? But I don't think they're in danger of getting slaughtered 4-1 or anything like that. I can easily see a 7 game series happening given how well they've played against Colorado. Anyway.....
It really was. While guys like Tarasenko, O'Reilly and Petro were/are all really, really good players, it's pretty hard to repeat as champs and/or get a dynasty in hockey without at least one or two true superstars, and the Blues didn't really have one. That is why that run did have that lightning in a bottle feeling.
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East
Penguins vs Islanders
Capitals vs Bruins
Penguins vs Caps
Central
Hurricanes vs Predators
Panthers vs Lightning
Hurricanes vs Lightning
West
Avalanche vs Blues
Golden Knights vs Wild
Avalanche vs Golden Knights
North
Maple Leafs vs Canadiens
Oilers vs Jets
Maple Leafs vs Oilers
Semi-Finals
Golden Knights vs Lightning
Maple Leafs vs Penguins
Finals
Golden Knights vs Maple Leafs
The Bruins have a BETTER team now than they did in 2019 and they are likely out in the first round this year.
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I like the cut of your jib there, but it ain't gonna happen.
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The Bruins have a BETTER team now than they did in 2019 and they are likely out in the first round this year.
It's crazy how that happens sometimes. Heck, looking at baseball, the Cardinals were awesome in '04 and '05, but didn't win the World Series either year, and then won it in '06 with a team not nearly as good as the two prior ones. Or take your Patriots in football where the best team of the Brady/Belichick dynasty ('07) didn't win it. Just goes to show ya that it matters most how you are playing come postseason time, which I guess harkens back to Gary's point about the Blues, who probably are playing their best hockey lately.
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Yup and a hard road to play the Caps, then either the Penguins or Islanders.
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The East looks to have the closest matchups.
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I like the cut of your jib there, but it ain't gonna happen.
I like the Leafs to take it, Chad. I really do.
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I like the cut of your jib there, but it ain't gonna happen.
I like the Leafs to take it, Chad. I really do.
That' makes one of us.
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I correctly predicted a Caps OT win today, although I said it's be 4-3..
Bruins found themselves in an OT game despite playing pretty unengaged hockey tonight. They're going to need to pick it up big time.
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I correctly predicted a Caps OT win today, although I said it's be 4-3..
Bruins found themselves in an OT game despite playing pretty unengaged hockey tonight. They're going to need to pick it up big time.
I only watched the OT, but Anderson has only played what ... 2 games all year. They should've been crashing the net and throwing the puck at him at every opportunity.
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Why are the North games not starting until Thursday?
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Why are the North games not starting until Thursday?
They start Wednesday. Why? Who the fuck knows. They likely had to wait due to Calgary and Vancouver still playing regular season games.
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Why are the North games not starting until Thursday?
They start Wednesday. Why? Who the fuck knows. They likely had to wait due to Calgary and Vancouver still playing regular season games.
With them both out, I still fail to understand why the North playoffs could start as early as tomorrow (Tor/Mtl) and Monday (Edm/Wpg). It makes no sense to me.
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I correctly predicted a Caps OT win today, although I said it's be 4-3..
Bruins found themselves in an OT game despite playing pretty unengaged hockey tonight. They're going to need to pick it up big time.
I only watched the OT, but Anderson has only played what ... 2 games all year. They should've been crashing the net and throwing the puck at him at every opportunity.
B's not hitting the net enough. Then crash the net.
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Perron placed in COVID status two days before playoffs. :censored If this isn’t a false positive then I will amend my optimism. Outside of Oreily.....he’s the most important forward we have. He finished over a point a game and has been playing great.
He’s the third Blues to hit COVID protocol in the past week. Hope this isn’t an outbreak. I doubt the league postpones the playoffs for the Blues. I believe they would if it were a couple of the darling teams but have no doubt they’ll make the Blues play the games with beer vendors and equipment managers.
Losing Perron will be brutal.
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Currently watching NY and Pitt and I keep shaking my head, dayum, there is nothing in sports like playoff hockey. :metal
Except maybe Olympic hockey. :hat
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Kyle Palmieri finally showed up. I’ll take it.
JG Pageau was a beast.
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Perron placed in COVID status two days before playoffs. :censored If this isn’t a false positive then I will amend my optimism. Outside of Oreily.....he’s the most important forward we have. He finished over a point a game and has been playing great.
He’s the third Blues to hit COVID protocol in the past week. Hope this isn’t an outbreak. I doubt the league postpones the playoffs for the Blues. I believe they would if it were a couple of the darling teams but have no doubt they’ll make the Blues play the games with beer vendors and equipment managers.
Losing Perron will be brutal.
He is out for at least Game 1. Ugh. That is a HUGE loss.
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Perron placed in COVID status two days before playoffs. :censored If this isn’t a false positive then I will amend my optimism. Outside of Oreily.....he’s the most important forward we have. He finished over a point a game and has been playing great.
He’s the third Blues to hit COVID protocol in the past week. Hope this isn’t an outbreak. I doubt the league postpones the playoffs for the Blues. I believe they would if it were a couple of the darling teams but have no doubt they’ll make the Blues play the games with beer vendors and equipment managers.
Losing Perron will be brutal.
He is out for at least Game 1. Ugh. That is a HUGE loss.
Little or no shot at winning the series if he misses the whole thing. The Blues are already down too many key guys to now have their leading scorer and heart and soul of the team plus the guy who makes the PP click gone. Not to mention his forecheck and ability to draw penalties. Just a brutal loss.
If his last name was MacKinnon, Ovechkin or Matthew’s we’d have a postponed series.
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If his last name was MacKinnon, Ovechkin or Matthew’s we’d have a postponed series.
Your series hasn't even started and you're already talking crazy. The Caps have their #1 goalie out on Covid protocol and that series stared first.
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If his last name was MacKinnon, Ovechkin or Matthew’s we’d have a postponed series.
Your series hasn't even started and you're already talking crazy. The Caps have their #1 goalie out on Covid protocol and that series stared first.
It’s the playoffs Tim. Crazy talk doesn’t wait for the puck to drop.
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We know Gary. All too well. Lol
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I was all set for a 4th straight playoff game going to OT last night and then TB had to score with a minute and change left to ruin it. :censored :censored
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I was all set for a 4th straight playoff game going to OT last night and then TB had to score with a minute and change left to ruin it. :censored :censored
I felt like that game was being played in fast-forward. Dunnow if it was a function of the low camera angle they have in that arena, or if those two teams were just fucking flying. Probably a bit of both, but damn that was an exciting game.
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I was all set for a 4th straight playoff game going to OT last night and then TB had to score with a minute and change left to ruin it. :censored :censored
I felt like that game was being played in fast-forward. Dunnow if it was a function of the low camera angle they have in that arena, or if those two teams were just fucking flying. Probably a bit of both, but damn that was an exciting game.
Next game, Florida might want to cover Kucherov at the circle.
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I was all set for a 4th straight playoff game going to OT last night and then TB had to score with a minute and change left to ruin it. :censored :censored
I felt like that game was being played in fast-forward. Dunnow if it was a function of the low camera angle they have in that arena, or if those two teams were just fucking flying. Probably a bit of both, but damn that was an exciting game.
Next game, Florida might want to cover Kucherov at the circle.
People have been saying that about Ovi for 15 years, and yet he still scores from there. If it was easy, everyone would do it.
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Ugh, Avs get a goal on the PP minutes after one of their players got away with instigating a fight with Schenn. Gotta love losing one of our key forwards for five minutes because the opponent instigated a fight and the officials didn't even give him an instigator penalty.
Whew, just getting that out of the way before Gary had the chance...;)
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Ugh, Avs get a goal on the PP minutes after one of their players got away with instigating a fight with Schenn. Gotta love losing one of our key forwards for five minutes because the opponent instigated a fight and the officials didn't even give him an instigator penalty.
Whew, just getting that out of the way before Gary had the chance...;)
:lol
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There is no "c" in Shmev, Sherlock. :P
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Silliness aside, the Avs really are a juggernaut this year. The Blues came out with fire and had some great early chances, but once both teams settled in, the Avs dominated and the Blues were on their heels for most of the rest of the period.
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Silliness aside, the Avs really are a juggernaut this year. The Blues came out with fire and had some great early chances, but once both teams settled in, the Avs dominated and the Blues were on their heels for most of the rest of the period.
Well....they got handed the momentum with the dive from MacKinnon. I’m more ticked at that that than the obvious instigator not being called. The AVs thrive in the PP so I’m not surprised they were handed an early PP.
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After two periods, this game is reminding me a lot of Game 1 between the Blues and Wild in 2017, when Jake Allen made 51 saves and the Blues managed to steal it in overtime. Colorado is clearly the superior team tonight but Binnington is absolutely on fire! Hopefully the Blues can stay out of the penalty box and Perron can make a surprise appearance and announce that he's Covid-free and ready to play!
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Binnington has been incredible. He’s the only reason this game isn’t 10-1
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I can't remember the last time I saw an instigator penalty for someone starting a fight after a big hit - especially one that is a borderline penalty. Sure, Rantanen came straight across the blueline, and deserved to get nailed, but I know that you guys know how the NHL operates, and if it was the other way around (eg, O'Reilly starting a fight for Schenn getting that kind of hit), neither of you would think for one second that he should been assessed 2+5+game for that.
C'mon guys, tone down the homer-rhetoric - it's only the 1st game of the playoffs. :lol
I tell ya, watching the North games is gonna be weird ... fan-less and all. Having seen a few games now with 25%-50% of fans in attendance, going back to an empty arena will be bizarre.
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Binnington has been incredible. He’s the only reason this game isn’t 10-1
I couldn't stay awake for the 3rd period (which looks like a good thing), but it being 1-1 after two was a minor miracle. Binnington played out of his mind; that save on the 2 on none was an all-timer. And it was all for naught. :(
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C'mon guys, tone down the homer-rhetoric - it's only the 1st game of the playoffs. :lol
I only have three more games left to spout it though :lol
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C'mon guys, tone down the homer-rhetoric - it's only the 1st game of the playoffs. :lol
I only have three more games left to spout it though :lol
Well, at least we know you still have a firm grasp on reality! Nah, I think Binnington will steal one, and/or maybe the Avs will lay a turd. I don't think it'll be a sweep.
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C'mon guys, tone down the homer-rhetoric - it's only the 1st game of the playoffs. :lol
I only have three more games left to spout it though :lol
Well, at least we know you still have a firm grasp on reality! Nah, I think Binnington will steal one, and/or maybe the Avs will lay a turd. I don't think it'll be a sweep.
The Blues were already having to overcome the loss of a couple key players......add in Perron being out who drives the PP, forecheck and led the team in scoring it's just the straw that broke the camels back IMO.
I think they'll give as good as effort as they can and make it a tough series for the AVs....I just don't see how they can beat them. We HAVE to capitalize on the chances we get and Tarasenko hits the post on a wide open side from 5 foot and Hoffman drags his feet on an open net allowing the D to block his tuck attempt. You gotta bury your chances and the Blues don't have players that can do that.
Binnington was awesome but when you face 52 shots as high as caliber as he was facing two or three are going to go in.
As far as the complaining about the refs....I was happy to listen to an analyst on NHL Today confirm what I was complaining about. The call when MacKinnon flopped when he was touched was BS.....and ticky tack or not that should have been instigating. He basically said what I was thinking....it's going to be tough to beat the AVs and the refs so hopefully the officiating evens out a bit.
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Blaming the refs is the hall-mark of every great team and coach. ::) Gary, you know I love you like a brother ... but you slay me.
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Fast forward a couple of nights... :lol
I can't believe that bullshit call on Matthews.
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Blaming the refs is the hall-mark of every great team and coach. ::) Gary, you know I love you like a brother ... but you slay me.
Thankfully the pro's don't use the excuse.....well the majority of them.
At this point I feel like it's my responsibility to the NHL thread and all mankind to bring up the obvious bias in the NHL officiating. :biggrin:
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You're performing a service.
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Missed calls happen, and I do think some officials have the tendency to try to even it out, like if one team has had three penalties in a row, they are more likely to call something ticky-tack on the other team to try and even it out, but I doubt any go into a game thinking, "I want to screw/help team X."
That said, those clowns who blew it two years ago and allowed the Sharks OT goal after the hand pass to stand can still burn in hell. :biggrin: :biggrin: (My ire for that would still be 100 times worse had the Blues ended up losing that series)
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Blaming the refs is the hall-mark of every great team and coach. ::) Gary, you know I love you like a brother ... but you slay me.
Well, honestly, a great team and a coach can't blame the refs if they have been rightfully wronged, or else, they get risked being fined. Here's one example from last year below. Heck, the Rangers got fined $250k for making their public statement on Twitter regarding the Department of Safety after the recent Tom Wilson incident.
https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/29648419/hurricanes-rod-brindamour-fined-25k-criticizing-officials-game-1-loss
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Fast forward a couple of nights... :lol
I can't believe that bullshit call on Matthews.
Your point?
Blaming the refs is the hall-mark of every great team and coach. ::) Gary, you know I love you like a brother ... but you slay me.
Thankfully the pro's don't use the excuse.....well the majority of them.
At this point I feel like it's my responsibility to the NHL thread and all mankind to bring up the obvious bias in the NHL officiating. :biggrin:
Not all heroes wear capes.
Missed calls happen, and I do think some officials have the tendency to try to even it out, like if one team has had three penalties in a row, they are more likely to call something ticky-tack on the other team to try and even it out, but I doubt any go into a game thinking, "I want to screw/help team X."
Agreed wholeheartedly.
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Which is no way to call a game. If one team is taking more liberties, then they should be penalized more.
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^^ Yep, I agree, but for some reason, the refs don't see it that way more often than not, it seems, and then you got that Tim Peel controversy.
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I want to amend my stance, as my brain went in a different direction. I don't think refs should be trying to call an "equal" amount of penalties, but they should be "equitable". For instance, if they realize they fucked up a penalty call, then I don't have an issue giving an 'even up' penalty on a marginal call. If one team gets one or two penalties in OT, you know the other team is going to be under a microscope, and the refs are more apt to not let something borderline slide.
At the end of it all, the stripes don't want to be the ones under the microscope themselves, and be seen as the deciding factor in any game.
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Which is no way to call a game. If one team is taking more liberties, then they should be penalized more.
Agreed. I remember back in the Vancouver-Boston cup final where Dave Nonis came out at a presser after a game to bitch about the differences in penalties between the 2 teams. The answer is pretty simple: don't take penalties!
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Did the entire North Division get a first round bye?? When are the playoffs starting up there? Jeesh!
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Did the entire North Division get a first round bye?? When are the playoffs starting up there? Jeesh!
Blame Covid. The schedule was made such that they were waiting for Van/Cgy to be done - which the final game is this afternoon. Edm/Wpg tonight; Tor/Mtl tomorrow.
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Did the entire North Division get a first round bye?? When are the playoffs starting up there? Jeesh!
Blame Covid. The schedule was made such that they were waiting for Van/Cgy to be done - which the final game is this afternoon. Edm/Wpg tonight; Tor/Mtl tomorrow.
Yeah, I know. But They should've crammed in the Van/Cal games somehow a bit more. And why isn't Toronto starting tonight too? Probably trying to give Canada one match up every night I suppose.
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Did the entire North Division get a first round bye?? When are the playoffs starting up there? Jeesh!
Blame Covid. The schedule was made such that they were waiting for Van/Cgy to be done - which the final game is this afternoon. Edm/Wpg tonight; Tor/Mtl tomorrow.
Yeah, I know. But They should've crammed in the Van/Cal games somehow a bit more. And why isn't Toronto starting tonight too? Probably trying to give Canada one match up every night I suppose.
Vancouver played their final 11 games in 17 days. How much more crammed in could they make it?? You're correct on the latter point ... TV rights/revenue. What the league should've done is started these series' despite the fact that Cgy/Van still had games - the other 3 divisions started, so why couldn't the North as well?? Those games had no bearing on the playoffs. Again, I can only imagine it was TV rights/revenue issues.
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B's had 12 games in 20 days to finish the season. Same pace.
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My point was why hold the playoffs up in the North for those inconsequential games to be played?
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Man this group of refs for the B's/Caps game are whistle happy.
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My point was why hold the playoffs up in the North for those inconsequential games to be played?
I had the same question, and can't find a reasonable answer.
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Refs seem to be letting them play the second period. I like this type of game better.
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Frigging Marchand turned into old self. Deserved the penalty and Ovi makes us pay for it.
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Marchand licking players again?
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Now that Taylor Hall goal was sick!!
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Marchand licking players again?
Instigating in a scrum.
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Oh sure, now NHL officials call a penalty for instigating... :lol :lol
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He deserved it. Stupid play that lead to a goal.
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Getting real chippy.
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Samsonov has played out of his tits and Rask...has not.
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To have 3 different goalies start 3 straight games you'd think the B's would be able to "Capitalize."
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B's lucky. They were timid and on their heels the last part of the game. Overtime we go again.
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I'm actually quite interested in the North playoffs. Who will emerge? Matthews/Marner or McDavid/Draisital?
Either will be one series away from the Finals.
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HOT DAMN IN DOUBLE OT!!
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Idiot goalie. Unforgivable to get caught napping like that.
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Who was Ovi yapping at?
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3 games, 4 OTs. WTF?? :lol
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Who was Ovi yapping at?
His goalie, hopefully. Imagine busting your ass all night, fighting to double overtime, and then you lose cause your goalie had his head up his ass? He deserves to get yelled at for that crap.
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But their goalie was the only reason they were in the game. How often do you see teammates go at each other? Can you see Bergeron going at Rask? O'Reilly going at Binner?
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So I must say, one of the local post game shows here has Tony Amonte doing analysis. Sidebar, I feel like either me or my brother must've played against him in youth hockey because we both played travel team hockey out of his hometown, Hingham.
I remember playing against Ken Hodge Jr in Pee Wees who made to the NHL. My brother played WITH Ted Donato and Shawn Mceachern.
Anyway... I don't remember being a huge fan of Amonte as a player, but he is fantastic in his analysis.
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I’m pretty much done watching this crap. Our goalie is doing all he can to try and win but we simply don’t have the players to compete. They’d done a good job of overcoming losing some key players but Perron was the straw that broke the camels back. You can’t mish mash players into the lineup and expect to beat the AVs.
So disappointed because I truly believe we’re Perron playing that’d have kept the lineup in tact that was playing really well down the stretch and we’d have given Colorado a match. The Blues will be lucky to win a single game.
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Tip for Vegas when they play the AVs. You can’t touch or breathe on MacKinnon or it’ll be called a penalty.
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Yeah, beating Colorado at full strength was going to be a tall order anyway, and with no Perron, it's clear they have no chance.
Doesn't help either when two of our defenseman gets taken out by a cheap shots (one by that piece of pig shit Kadri). If the Blues are going to keep getting penalized anyway for breathing on Avs, might as well start making them hurt as well. To hell with it.
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Yeah, beating Colorado at full strength was going to be a tall order anyway, and with no Perron, it's clear they have no chance.
Doesn't help either when two of our defenseman gets taken out by a cheap shots (one by that piece of pig shit Kadri). If the Blues are going to keep getting penalized anyway for breathing on Avs, might as well start making them hurt as well. To hell with it.
Yeah, Kadri SHOULD be gone for the series, maybe longer given his history. But with the way DPS has been this year, who the fuck knows. I'm glad the Leafs got rid of him. It's these scenarios that make him more of a liability than an asset. 3rd time in 4 years he'll be suspended in the 1st round. He's not Tom Wilson, but pretty damned close.
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Kadri is garbage. If DPOS wasn't a bunch of monkeys hurling feces at a wall to see what the punishment would be, he should get the rest of the playoffs plus a minimum of half the season next year, plus the Avs losing a pick.
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the elbow cheap shot from Jost on Bortuzzo should be a suspension as well.....I think (hope) the league has the Kadri crap taken care of.
The AVs are just a beast of a team. They look focused and determined to win. Good for them. I'd have preferred to face them with a full squad to give them our best effort but it is what it is. It's a bummer that Binnington continues to stand on his head and he's still getting these losses but our team is outclassed by the AVs...plain and simple.
That being said it's utter BS you can't breathe in the direction of MacKinnon without getting a penalty. And he has free reign to do whatever the :censored he want to as illustrated by the pick/interference play the refs apparently didn't see last night. Of which, Barbachev got up and was called for a weak ass hook on MacKinnon 10 seconds later....which led to a PP and a PP goal for them to go up 2-0.
https://twitter.com/CMS_74_/status/1395224629749428227?s=20
It's clear the AVs are the better team....but when your battling refs who are handing out ticky tack penalties to one team and then only giving the other team a PP when one of their players is decapitated....that's a tough hill to climb.
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Jets/Oil result is exactly why I'm more fearful of the Jets vs the Oil. Mike Smith is average at best, and proved it last night. Helly can steal a game, and while I wouldn't call it a 'stolen' victory last night, he was the better netminder. Plus... as goes McDavid, so go the Oilers. Shut him down, and the victory is there for the taking - the Oil were 2-8-1 when McDavid was pointless; 7-5 when he gets 1 point.
It's certainly easy to blame Samsonov for that GWG, but it was as much the D-man's issue - he clearly thought Samsonov was gonna play it. Miscommunication. Plus, no way it even gets to OT, or 2OT without his goaltending. He made some great 10-bell saves. What did Boston have ... 15+ shots in 1OT?
Poor Binnington. He's trying to drag the team to victory, but they just ain't coming along.
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Poor Binnington. He's trying to drag the team to victory, but they just ain't coming along.
Dude has been sharp as heck. Every goal the AV's has scored has been a deflection or a screen shot. If he's seen the shot....he's saved it. You can't do anymore than he's done. It should shut up some folks about whether or not he's 'worth' the contract he signed.
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What a fucking bush league move by Foligno to challenge Corey Perry to a fight. No way Perry could avoid Tavares, showed concern the whole time, and went over to the stretcher on his way out.
Fucking punk move. Oh and the Canadians score! Karma bitch.
And holy shit, what's with the morgue outfits the medical personnel were wearing?
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What a fucking bush league move by Foligno to challenge Corey Perry to a fight. No way Perry could avoid Tavares, showed concern the whole time, and went over to the stretcher on his way out.
Fucking punk move. Oh and the Canadians score! Karma bitch.
And holy shit, what's with the morgue outfits the medical personnel were wearing?
That was a freak thing. The initial hit was just a tough play.....the timing of that fall and Perry skating by was brutally timed
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If I'm Shea Weber, I take Foligno's fucking head off next period.
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Wow what a goal..shorthanded.
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What a fucking bush league move by Foligno to challenge Corey Perry to a fight. No way Perry could avoid Tavares, showed concern the whole time, and went over to the stretcher on his way out.
Fucking punk move. Oh and the Canadians score! Karma bitch.
And holy shit, what's with the morgue outfits the medical personnel were wearing?
I sorta agree, but that is one of those things where someone almost had to fight Perry as a show of support for their fallen captain. Not a dirty hit at all, but just one of those things players almost have to do.
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I'm sorry, Perry showed total class in the aftermath, and it was clearly incidental. And then Simmonds went at him later.
I can't believe I'm rooting for the Canadiens.
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Jingle must be fuming right now lol.
So much for the top seeds in the North
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So for those that doesn't have their team in the playoffs, who are you guys rooting for? I'm rooting for the Bunch of Jerks mainly and I guess, The Wilds. It's a weird mentality, because I feel that the Wilds tormented the Kings worst than the Golden Knights did this season, but I hate the Golden Knights more, so that's a no-brainer.
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I'm sorry, Perry showed total class in the aftermath, and it was clearly incidental. And then Simmonds went at him later.
I can't believe I'm rooting for the Canadiens.
Agreed. And he didn't really even fight back in the tussle, but just tried to protect himself best he could and get it over with. He handled it well. I get players having the back of a fallen teammate, but given how inadvertent and flukish that play was, and after watching it again, there really was no need for Perry to have to answer for it.
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What a fucking bush league move by Foligno to challenge Corey Perry to a fight. No way Perry could avoid Tavares, showed concern the whole time, and went over to the stretcher on his way out.
Fucking punk move. Oh and the Canadians score! Karma bitch.
I don't entirely disagree with you. I absolutely, 100%, without-a-doubt agree that it was a freak accident, and Perry actually was trying to avoid JT in the fraction of a second he had to react. But Kevin Bieksa from the HNIC crew broke it down nicely in the intermission. First, Perry has bit of a reputation (who remembers the elbow to Ryan Ellis in the Winter Classic last year (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OaQ4DoZb3Q), and Perry's long walk of shame??). Second, the players at the time don't get the benefit of the dozen or so replays we all saw (slowed down; different angles) to fully realize it was completely accidental and unavoidable. Third, it was their Captain. So, was it a bush league move to fight him, no. Was it necessary, no. Was it 'right' ... debatable.
Clearly, the linesmen and Weber were pleading the case with Foligno, but he wasn't having anything with it. He was a Captain a month ago, and I'm sure he'd want/expect/appreciate a teammate to do the same if he was the one that got injured. Lastly, (as Bieksa pointed out) Perry's probably looking at it as though there's 5-6 more games coming, and he doesn't want to be looking over his shoulder for Foligno, Simmonds, Nash, Bagosian ... hell, anyone, coming at him for a big hit and/or fight. So, he took his medicine. I don't necessarily agree that it *needed* to be done, but I understand it.
Wouldn't surprise me if Foligno has a chat during the warmup with him tomorrow and is 'sorry 'bout that man, but at the time I felt it had to be done'.
Tough hard fought game. The Leafs clearly weren't on task the rest of the period, and their PP is killing them. No reason the PP1 unit should have been out there for over a minute, leading to Sandin not being able to keep up with Byron and the shortie GWG. Price played great. Everything went right for the Habs - and they still just squeaked out a 1-goal victory. I've got some reservations now having lost Tavares (I can't see anyway he comes back this series ... I mean, he's not Paul Kariya! :lol), but I still don't see the Leafs not coming out of this round. Hopefully that faith doesn't bite me in the ass over the next 10 days.
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Lastly, (as Bieksa pointed out) Perry's probably looking at it as though there's 5-6 more games coming, and he doesn't want to be looking over his shoulder for Foligno, Simmonds, Nash, Bagosian ... hell, anyone, coming at him for a big hit and/or fight. So, he took his medicine. I don't necessarily agree that it *needed* to be done, but I understand it.
Wouldn't surprise me if Foligno has a chat during the warmup with him tomorrow and is 'sorry 'bout that man, but at the time I felt it had to be done'.
I watched Perry's press conference after the game and he essentially said this. He said Foligno skated up and asked him "do you just want to get this over with now?" He said "yep" and they got it over with. I think the players on the ice realized how freak an accident it was....but, there had to be a fight just to maintain the integrity of the game for Tavares and both teams. It was expected and needed.
Perry did say he was sick to his stomach about it....that he knows "John" and hopes that he is ok. He said he was going to reach out to him immediately.
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Pretty sure they both played in the World Jr's back in '07 or so.
Tavares has been released from hospital, and is recovering at home. I really don't see how he returns for the series, or worse, for the entire playoffs (assuming the Leafs make it out of Round 1).
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So for those that doesn't have their team in the playoffs, who are you guys rooting for? I'm rooting for the Bunch of Jerks mainly and I guess, The Wilds. It's a weird mentality, because I feel that the Wilds tormented the Kings worst than the Golden Knights did this season, but I hate the Golden Knights more, so that's a no-brainer.
Vegas - FUCK NO.
Pittsburgh - NO.
TB - No (solely because I don't want a back-to-back winner).
Technically, I'm obligated by marriage to pull for Boston, but I'm really ok with anyone other than the three above.
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I'm good with any team outside of Vegas and the Lightning. I really don't 'like' the AVs or Wild but it's not going to break my heart if they win it. I just cannot stand Vegas' coach...he's a crybaby POS and I don't want his name anywhere on that sacred chalice...... and I detest pretty much all their players but two of them.
I'm pulling for the Leafs because of Chad and the fact they now hold the crown for the longest drought without a cup.
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I'm pulling for the Leafs because of Chad and the fact they now hold the crown for the longest drought without a cup.
I have a friend who blames the Canadiens for stickgate in 1993 and imputes that hatred onto all of the Canadian teams. She and I regularly go back and forth about her absurd opinion and the fact that it was all Marty McSorley's fault, so I'd be totally down with the Leafs or any of the Canadian teams winning.
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Im rooting for Vegas. Idk what it is about them, but I can’t help but root for them.
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No Perron tonight again, and the two Blues defensemen who were on the receiving end of cheap shots in Game 2 are out tonight as well, so congrats on the Avs, who should be able to rest their starters before moving on to the next round.
Of the other teams, the ones I am most likely to root for going forward are Washington (I like Ovi and still love Oshie), Edmonton (would be cool to see Canada win the Cup again, and McDavid is so awesome to watch) and Montreal (just cause it would aggravate Bruins fans :P). Despite the way this series has gone, I have zero hate for Avs as a whole, but I can't in good conscience root for a Stan Kroenke team. Vegas hasn't been around long enough for their fans to get a championship this quickly.
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No Perron tonight again, and the two Blues defensemen who were on the receiving end of cheap shots in Game 2 are out tonight as well, so congrats on the Avs, who should be able to rest their starters before moving on to the next round.
Of the other teams, the ones I am most likely to root for going forward are Washington (I like Ovi and still love Oshie), Edmonton (would be cool to see Canada win the Cup again, and McDavid is so awesome to watch) and Montreal (just cause it would aggravate Bruins fans :P). Despite the way this series has gone, I have zero hate for Avs as a whole, but I can't in good conscience root for a Stan Kroenke team. Vegas hasn't been around long enough for their fans to get a championship this quickly.
I'm down with this. Obviously, Leafs 1st; any Canadian team 2nd; anyone but Vegas and Boston after that. I've had a soft spot for Florida since they entered the league, so probably them. jingle.son is a big 'Canes fan, so them next.
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Yeah, I can't think of an instance in the past decade where I've had such little faith in the Blues to win a playoff series. Oh well, I actually prefer to see them losing games by a wide margin rather than losing in OT or Double OT because it's much less devastating this way!
As for teams I'm rooting for going forward, I'm going with Winnipeg or Edmonton. It would also be great to see Toronto finally defeat Boston in the finals and win the cup for their fallen captain. Hopefully the Florida Panthers can win at least one series considering how long their fans (I'm surprised they still have any) have been waiting.
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It would also be great to see Toronto finally defeat Boston in the finals
No it wouldn't. :lol
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How did the Caps get a power play here? What a joke.
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How did the Caps get a power play here? What a joke.
Gary? :P
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How did the Caps get a power play here? What a joke.
You're obviously not watching the national broadcast. Edzo explained it. No way Jack could even process that.
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How did the Caps get a power play here? What a joke.
You're obviously not watching the national broadcast. Edzo explained it. No way Jack could even process that.
Wrong. Even it out when a Caps player punches a B's player who is being restrained by a ref. Should have been 4 minutes each them.
Anyway 4-1. BOOM!
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It's ok to be wrong Tim. When a linesman has a player tied up and another one comes in and blasts him not one but 2 times and it's not called it's not being a homer.
So you are wrong. Nee her, nee her. Anywho, the score is all that mattered.
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If 4-1 is wrong, I don't want to be right. :lol
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I'm not saying that. Are you drunk tonight? What the hell are you reading?
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So glad we have Kenny Albert, Ed Olczyk, and Brian Boucher doing the B's/Caps. They're doing a live look in of the Avs/Blues with John Forslund and Pierre Maguire. Holy suckage!
Jeez Gary, they even give the Blues the worst national play by play guy! :lol
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Thankfully our local coverage is covering the first round as well.
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I actually prefer the National coverage. We have one of the best color guys in the business (Andy Brickley) but holy shit, our PxP guy is a train wreck.
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This is why you gotta love Berube: he has the team fired up and they are hitting every Avalanche in sight tonight.
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I actually prefer the National coverage. We have one of the best color guys in the business (Andy Brickley) but holy shit, our PxP guy is a train wreck.
I can’t stand Darren Pang. People love him and that’s fine and all......he drives me insane. It’s time for the Blues to move on from him. He’s fine in small doses but game in game out he’s brutal. His ‘holy jumpin’ catch phrase is WAY over used and makes me want to shove a yard dart through my ear drums when I hear it.
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Who does local Blues PxP?
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Kadri gets an 8-game suspension. Weird for them to announce that when Game 3 is being played, but it's the NHL. :lol :lol
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Kadri gets an 8-game suspension. Weird for them to announce that when Game 3 is being played, but it's the NHL. :lol :lol
Wouldn't this be something to announce in the morning for people to talk about before today's game? Jebus.
Also, rough first goal there for the Blues to let in. Binnington had to do something there and leave the crease and commit out in the open space and he got a small piece of it and it still went in.
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I always say that goalies should keep their butts in the crease most of the time. Look at the OT goal the other night by Boston. And that crap just now. Oy.
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I weep for you guys. Nothing has gone the Blues' way in the 2nd, except for that short-handed goal just now.
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Nope. I guess it's a bit of justice that the Blues scored a short-hander after the Avs got away with a subtle goalie interference to make it 3-0 (I have seen far less called goalie interference), but it's just delaying the inevitable.
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Well, the officiating has been lopsided, but I am not making excuses. My posts from earlier this month demonstrated that I thought the Blues would have a tough time beating the Avs, and that was when the hope was that they'd be healthy (not missing Perron, Faulk and Bortuzzo). Without those guys, they literally have zero chance. It would be nice to see these games called more evenly, but it is what it is. Sometimes the calls go your way, and sometimes they do not. I look forward to enjoying the rest of these playoffs with no stress. :tup :tup
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THAT was the Leafs team everyone was expecting. As I said earlier, everything went well for the Habs in game 1, and they still only had a 2-1 win. They were the better team in the 1st last night (holy crap their forecheck was amazing), but still came out of the period at 1-1. The Leafs PP looked strong in game 1, but finally converted last night (first time since early March it scores 2 goals in one game). What the hell was Ducharme thinking about challenging that goal?? The HNIC broadcast seemed to think it was Bergevin influenced the decision to make the call down to the bench. Having to kill 4 penalties in one period sure will take a team out of it's gameplan.
Must-win for Edmonton tonight.
Even a bigger must-win for the Blues and Caps.
What's with that injury to Kuch?? Hardly looks like anything more than a love tap from Duclair. Look, I really like Kuch as a player (he's exciting as hell to watch), and never want anyone to get injured ... but that would absolutely be karma to the team if he misses any time. What the Bolts did to manipulate the cap thru his LTIR (it sure seemed like he was healthy and could've played before game 1 of the playoffs) is likely going to force the league to put some kind of provisions in place so that shit like that doesn't happen again.
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Yeah, the Leafs owned that game. Who has better hands that Auston Matthews?
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Yeah, the Leafs owned that game. Who has better hands that Auston Matthews?
He was on a mission last night. Best player on the ice by far.
I'm curious to see if Campbell will play both games 3 and 4, given they area back-to-back. I have no doubt that Price will.
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I didn't think that the Hurricanes/Predators series would be tied going into game 5, but the Predators have pushed their way back into this thing. Winning their last two games at home in double OT in both games should be a huge confidence booster for them.
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Tim, you hate Jack on that pathetic call? Lol
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Not that it impacted the end result, but...
Krug gets high sticked in the face in the 3rd period. No blood. Two minute penalty.
MacKinnon gets high sticked in the face in the 3rd period. No blood. Four minute penalty.
You can't make that up. :lol :lol :lol :lol
The results won't show it, but the Blues fought to the end and did as well as could be expected considering they were missing three starting defensemen, their best PK and their top scorer. They literally had no chance to win this series.
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Krug gets high sticked in the face
A guy can't raise his stick above his knees without sticking Krug in the face. ;D
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Tim, you hate Jack on that pathetic call? Lol
I'm watching on USA.
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Krug gets high sticked in the face
A guy can't raise his stick above his knees without sticking Krug in the face. ;D
Pretty sure he took more high sticks this series than he scored goals all season. :lol :facepalm:
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Tim, you hate Jack on that pathetic call? Lol
I'm watching on USA.
I just found out it was in there. That was not a penalty. The trip of OVI was for sure.
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Tim, you hate Jack on that pathetic call? Lol
I'm watching on USA.
I just found out it was in there. That was not a penalty. The trip of OVI was for sure.
You talking about the Marchand penalty? That was right after Wilson tried to decapitate another guy!!
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Yeah. I've never seen a shoulder check from a short guy called roughing.
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AND THEY'RE SHAKING HANDS IN WASHINGTON!
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Onto Pens/Isles!
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Which of those two teams, Pens/Isles, do you guys feel most confident in the Bruins taking on?
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Pens always scare me but early on this season the Isles owned us.
That changed late in the season so the Penns scare me.
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The Oil have just blown a 3 goal, 3rd period lead. If they get swept in this series, it's well deserved.
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The B's were 3-3-2 against the Islanders.
They were 5-3 against the Pens.
They played better against Pittsburgh early in the year and not so much late.
They couldn't beat the Isles early but played much better against them down the stretch.
They've matched up pretty well against Pittsburgh over the last few years. But I'll be honest, the Jeff Carter addition scares me. I think I'd rather see the Isles, but I don't think it matters. I like their chances against either.
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The Oil have just blown a 3 goal, 3rd period lead. If they get swept in this series, it's well deserved.
Switching over now. I checked in after the Bruins finished, and it looked out of hand lol, so I decided to watch the Bruins post game.
On what planet is Mike Smith a winning goalie?
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The Oil have just blown a 3 goal, 3rd period lead. If they get swept in this series, it's well deserved.
Switching over now. I checked in after the Bruins finished, and it looked out of hand lol, so I decided to watch the Bruins post game.
On what planet is Mike Smith a winning goalie?
The tying goal was brutal
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The Caps never recovered from that crushing goal in OT in Game 3. Boston's first goal tonight showed that the Caps were not all-in to try and win (no player should be able to make that move and go across the front of the crease and score in a playoff game with no resistance from the defensemen).
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The Oil have just blown a 3 goal, 3rd period lead. If they get swept in this series, it's well deserved.
Switching over now. I checked in after the Bruins finished, and it looked out of hand lol, so I decided to watch the Bruins post game.
On what planet is Mike Smith a winning goalie?
The tying goal was brutal
That game was pretty much a replica of '13 Leafs/Bruins Game 7. This is why I feared Winnipeg... but I thought that the Oil would continue to own them like they did in the regular season. The Oil just aren't deep enough, don't have a well-rounded defensive game, and, well... what Tim said above.
As Gorilla would say ... stick a fork in them, they're done.
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Jarry just took the lead for most hideous turnover by a goalie in these playoffs in OT that led to the other team's GWG. Oof.
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Wow. No kidding.
Never would've thought the Oil would get swept. They can try to take solace in the fact that 3 games were OT and could've gone either way, but given how Winnipeg was playing down the stretch, this has to be considered a big disappointment at best, and a failure at worst. Can't exactly lay the blame on Smith, but they need a tier-1 goalie, and some more depth up front, and more meat on the blueline. At least realignment (back to normal) should make it a fairly easy task to make the top-3 of the division.
Hard fought win by the Leafs - outshot 15-2 in the 3rd, with some very tense moments in the final minute. Back at it tonight!
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Re: Oilers, Kenny "Trades are hard!" Holland should've gone all in. Mike Smith in goal was going to turn into a pumpkin at some point. Should've traded for Bernier! He put up respectable numbers behind a terrible Detroit defense, and kept them in games they had no business being in. Oh well.
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Jarry just took the lead for most hideous turnover by a goalie in these playoffs in OT that led to the other team's GWG. Oof.
No kidding. That pass was right on the stick of Bailey. What"s even more amazing is that he had a safe pass to a teammate available. What a brain fart! Islanders forecheck messed him up!
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Re: Oilers, Kenny "Trades are hard!" Holland should've gone all in. Mike Smith in goal was going to turn into a pumpkin at some point. Should've traded for Bernier! He put up respectable numbers behind a terrible Detroit defense, and kept them in games they had no business being in. Oh well.
If they really want to screw up their cap, I'm sure Florida would love to unload Bobs - Chiarelli would've done it! :lol
Florida's got a gem in Spencer Knight. Amazing for a 20-year old to play that way!
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Re: Oilers, Kenny "Trades are hard!" Holland should've gone all in. Mike Smith in goal was going to turn into a pumpkin at some point. Should've traded for Bernier! He put up respectable numbers behind a terrible Detroit defense, and kept them in games they had no business being in. Oh well.
If they really want to screw up their cap, I'm sure Florida would love to unload Bobs - Chiarelli would've done it! :lol
Florida's got a gem in Spencer Knight. Amazing for a 20-year old to play that way!
Chiarelli would have said, "you want Nugent-Hopkins for Bob? I'll do you one better, how about Draisaitl? And I'm not taking no for an answer!"
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Re: Oilers, Kenny "Trades are hard!" Holland should've gone all in. Mike Smith in goal was going to turn into a pumpkin at some point. Should've traded for Bernier! He put up respectable numbers behind a terrible Detroit defense, and kept them in games they had no business being in. Oh well.
If they really want to screw up their cap, I'm sure Florida would love to unload Bobs - Chiarelli would've done it! :lol
Florida's got a gem in Spencer Knight. Amazing for a 20-year old to play that way!
Chiarelli would have said, "you want Nugent-Hopkins for Bob? I'll do you one better, how about Draisaitl? And I'm not taking no for an answer!"
Plus an unconditional 1st round pick! (which they promptly finish out of the playoffs, and the Panthers get a top 10 pick!)
I don't have a lot of sympathy for the Oil organization, they built this deck of cards. Shows a lot of faith in your bottom d-pair when Nurse plays over an hour of on-ice minutes, and 15+ in the 1st overtime. The Leafs finally 'got it' last year, and built a solid top-6. Hell, Bagosian and Sandin (their bottom pairing) were on the ice defending the 6-on-5 at the end of the game.
I do have sympathy for their fans, and McDavid.
If you told me in 2015 that both McDavid and Eichel would hate their organization, and the fact their surrounding cast are practically a men's beer league ... I would've believed you.
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I wouldn't exactly call Leon Draisaitl, arguably one of the top 3 or 4 players on the planet, beer league calibre ;)
Goaltending is obviously an issue, but defense is a bigger problem. And having a top pair D man out all season (Klefbom) forced everyone else to play above their grade.
The reason Nurse ended up with some much ice time last night is because of the brutal play surrounding the Jets' tying goal. Ethan Bear gives it up on a terrible, dangerous pass, and, for whatever fucking reason, Slater Koekkoek decided to slide headfirst towards Wheeler (who promptly just side steps him). Those guys didn't play another shift, and Tippet basically went with 4 d the rest of the way.
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I wouldn't exactly call Leon Draisaitl, arguably one of the top 3 or 4 players on the planet, beer league calibre ;)
I was being mostly facetious. The team is 1/2 killer; 1/2 filler.
Goaltending is obviously an issue, but defense is a bigger problem. And having a top pair D man out all season (Klefbom) forced everyone else to play above their grade.
The reason Nurse ended up with some much ice time last night is because of the brutal play surrounding the Jets' tying goal. Ethan Bear gives it up on a terrible, dangerous pass, and, for whatever fucking reason, Slater Koekkoek decided to slide headfirst towards Wheeler (who promptly just side steps him). Those guys didn't play another shift, and Tippet basically went with 4 d the rest of the way.
My point exactly. If you don't trust 1/3 of your defense for almost a full game's worth of time, that's on the GM. Why didn't they make a (harder) move for Jamie Oleksiak?
Schecter... what's the word on them re-signing Barrie? Is there desire (by either side) to?
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I wouldn't exactly call Leon Draisaitl, arguably one of the top 3 or 4 players on the planet, beer league calibre ;)
I was being mostly facetious. The team is 1/2 killer; 1/2 filler.
Goaltending is obviously an issue, but defense is a bigger problem. And having a top pair D man out all season (Klefbom) forced everyone else to play above their grade.
The reason Nurse ended up with some much ice time last night is because of the brutal play surrounding the Jets' tying goal. Ethan Bear gives it up on a terrible, dangerous pass, and, for whatever fucking reason, Slater Koekkoek decided to slide headfirst towards Wheeler (who promptly just side steps him). Those guys didn't play another shift, and Tippet basically went with 4 d the rest of the way.
My point exactly. If you don't trust 1/3 of your defense for almost a full game's worth of time, that's on the GM. Why didn't they make a (harder) move for Jamie Oleksiak?
Schecter... what's the word on them re-signing Barrie? Is there desire (by either side) to?
Oh I'm sure the Oilers are very interested in re-signing Barrie, but I heard from a fairly reliable source last year that he never had any intention. Word is he wanted the 1-year deal in Edmonton to boost his next contract knowing he'd get tons of gravy points playing on the league's top power play unit (which turned out to be exactly what happened). I think I even saw an Edmonton Journal article a couple weeks ago saying he was going to market. I think he'd like to go to a contender, but I can't think of one that would have the cap space for him at $8M+.
In other Oilers news, it sounds like Darnell Nurse is looking for $8.5M. I sure hope that isn't true, otherwise this team will be in big cap trouble in the near future. Thankfully this season probably hurt Nugent-Hopkins chances of a pay raise contract from his current $6M.
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UFA's are gonna be in for a rude awakening methinks. 2nd year in row of no cap increase means (at a macro level) everyone expecting a big pay raise is going to have to come at the expense of players getting a pay cut. Most teams are right up against the cap. So any raises will need a commensurate reduction through releases, retirements, buyouts, or older UFAs taking a pay cut. FFS, only 8 teams are currently below the cap. I guess one piece of good news is that the league-wide cap is going up by $81.5M with the addition of the Kraken. Still, there's only so much money to go around on the "contenders".
Nurse at $8.5M. I don't see it. Barrie at $8M. Don't see that either. $8M for D puts you at the cusp of Top 10 in the league. Barrie has played with the three teams that all have 1 or 2 of the top 10 players in the league. Without PP1 time with those top guys (MacKinnon/Matthews/McDavid), what kind of player is he really? You want to know - look at how he produced in Toronto when he wasn't on PP1, or the top pairing. That's the kind of player he really is. Anyone who gives him more than $6M AAV is going to instantly regret it. Hell, I wouldn't even give him $5M.
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Thank goodness, the Kings don't need to worry too hard on RFA/UFAs this season since they already took care of extensions of Iafallo and Matt Roy during the season. They will focus on Trevor Moore's extension. Shouldn't be too hard in terms of AAV and term. Maybe, they resign Andreas Athanasiou and/or Lias Andersson, but it's not big deal-breakers if they don't get resigned. Rob Blake should look into trying to make risker moves and pick off the bones on those that's cap-strapped next season. The main concern though is that in the 2021-2022 off-season, there will be five all right RFA guys that will need extensions. Good news is that at the moment, I don't see anyone getting the amount that Iafallo has starting next season ($4M x 4 years), so that's something.
Edit: Oh wait, oh crap, Cal Petersen is a UFA that offseason in 2021-2022. Ehhh, they'll figure that part out as the next season progresses. Future them will take care of that.
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The reason Nurse ended up with some much ice time last night is because of the brutal play surrounding the Jets' tying goal. Ethan Bear gives it up on a terrible, dangerous pass, and, for whatever fucking reason, Slater Koekkoek decided to slide headfirst towards Wheeler (who promptly just side steps him). Those guys didn't play another shift, and Tippet basically went with 4 d the rest of the way.
OMFG... I just checked the highlight of that (I went to bed at the 2nd intermission last night). jingle.son and I laughed our assess off at that. That was just fucking horrible. And the SportsNet cut to McDavid's look of "you've got to be fucking kidding me" was priceless.
The Edmonton bench after that play:
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Ridiculous. Might as well have been a fish flopping around out of water. McDavid's look was one of complete, utter disbelief. Almost funny, if I weren't a fan terribly afraid we won't win a cup before McD's contract is up and he gets the hell out of town on the first available flight.
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Found the clip you guys are talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5VvYXtIChg
Wow, what a bad goal.
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Does anyone else follow The Hockey Guy on Youtube? Been watching his content in the last few weeks and I think he does a solid job summarizing all of the stuff going on in the league with not too heavy biases. I also respect the amount of content he puts out on a daily basis and that he has hundreds of different kinds of jerseys and hats to wear depending on what team is making headlines.
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Never heard of him. may have to check him out.
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^^ I'm surprised that you watch stuff on the regular on Youtube.
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I'm usually browsing youtube most nights.
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Chad, what are you hearing regarding the semifinals? Will Canada let the Lightning into Toronto?
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Was pleased to wake up and see that the Predators lost in heartbreaking fashion last night. :coolio :coolio
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Chad, what are you hearing regarding the semifinals? Will Canada let the Lightning into Toronto?
Nothing official, but if I were a betting man, I'd take the "no". The anti-lockdown audience would lose their shit if rules were bent just for hockey teams.
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Chad, what are you hearing regarding the semifinals? Will Canada let the Lightning into Toronto?
Nothing official, but if I were a betting man, I'd take the "no". The anti-lockdown audience would lose their shit if rules were bent just for hockey teams.
Lose. Their. Shit.
Although, the vaccine roll out is humming along nicely, so who knows how this will shake out a couple weeks from now after the 2nd round wraps.
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Chad, what are you hearing regarding the semifinals? Will Canada let the Lightning into Toronto?
Nothing official, but if I were a betting man, I'd take the "no". The anti-lockdown audience would lose their shit if rules were bent just for hockey teams.
Lose. Their. Shit.
Although, the vaccine roll out is humming along nicely, so who knows how this will shake out a couple weeks from now after the 2nd round wraps.
Well, didn't Trudeau say he wasn't interested in opening the borders until 75% of Canadians were fully vaccinated? ATM, only 60%-ish have their 1st shot.
I don't think they'd put "high-performance athletes" in the essential worker category. Whatever the league needs to do, they're gonna have to figure it out fast.
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Dumb question that I'm sure I could google: is it predetermined that the winner of the A division will play the winner of the B division and the winner of the X division will play the winner of the Z division (as it was under the old Smythe/Norris/Patrick/Adams system)? Or will they reseed and determine the semifinal matchups based on record?
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They're reseeding based on regular season points.
The semis will be Bruins/Avs and Leafs/Bolts.
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The semis will be Bruins/Avs and Leafs/Bolts.
On this, we agree.
And both our teams are going down.
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The semis will be Bruins/Avs and Leafs/Bolts.
On this, we agree.
And both our teams are going down.
Amazing to think that 3 of those 4 teams are normally in the same division.
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They're reseeding based on regular season points.
:tup
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That Islanders/Penguins game was nuts. Having fans back at games makes such a difference. That Islanders crowd was wound up all night. :metal :metal
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Last hockey game I saw was at Nassau Coliseum.
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Tonight is the first time the Islanders have won a playoff series on home ice since 1993. Crazy.
Isn't that the last time the Leafs won A playoff series? :lol
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Tonight is the first time the Islanders have won a playoff series on home ice since 1993. Crazy.
Isn't that the last time the Leafs won A playoff series? :lol
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But yeah, that Isles crowd was loud af. Sounded like a capacity filled arena!
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Last hockey game I saw was at Nassau Coliseum.
Last one I went to was at Barclay's. :lol
That's one of the teams I don't want to win out. Let's hope Minnesota completes the comeback tomorrow.
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That Islanders/Penguins game was nuts. Having fans back at games makes such a difference. That Islanders crowd was wound up all night. :metal :metal
That place was rocking last night!
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I’d attended games at the coliseum since the late 70s and all through their 4-year cup run in the 80s. My Dad had gotten into a partial season plan back then. The seats were in the upper 300s but it was still awesome. The sight lines at the coliseum are perfect for hockey and when the Isles had good teams, there was no louder arena. There were times when you could literally feel the cement shaking under your feet. I’m gonna miss that place.
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Well that was a shitty way to cap off what was looking like a nice comeback. Oh well, on to Saturday.
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Montreal to have 2500 fans at the game for the 1st time this season.
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Well that was a shitty way to cap off what was looking like a nice comeback. Oh well, on to Saturday.
Toronto is clearly the better team. They just didn't bring a killer instinct tonight, although Price kept Montreal in the game early.
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Well that was a shitty way to cap off what was looking like a nice comeback. Oh well, on to Saturday.
Toronto is clearly the better team. They just didn't bring a killer instinct tonight, although Price kept Montreal in the game early.
Yeah... the way I see it (and I hope I'm not seeing it through a Homer lens), the Habs have to have outstanding goaltending from Price, and play at their absolute best at both ends of the ice. They were clearly the better playing team for 2 periods, and still only had a 2-goal lead... then ended up in OT, and a brutal turnover gave them the victory. It was kinda the same for their Game 1 win - EVERYthing has/had to go right for the Habs to win a game. The Leafs just have to not have bone-head plays (both the 3rd and 4th goals were due to bad plays on their part), and play a solid game - Leafs "solid" > Habs "flawless".
Well, at least the Canes got 'er done. jingle.son went to bed happy (they're his 2nd fave team).
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Well, at least the Canes got 'er done. jingle.son went to bed happy (they're his 2nd fave team).
Yeah, that was nice to watch the Preds lose in front of their fans. That fan base irks me to no end.....and that being my brother in laws team makes it that much sweeter that they lost at home.
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Well, at least the Canes got 'er done. jingle.son went to bed happy (they're his 2nd fave team).
Yeah, that was nice to watch the Preds lose in front of their fans. That fan base irks me to no end.....and that being my brother in laws team makes it that much sweeter that they lost at home.
The real reason. :lol
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I think the Wild 'upset' the Knights tonight. They're playing better and have the mojo.....the pressure is on the Knights, not the Wild. It's going to be a fun game to watch for sure.
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Well, at least the Canes got 'er done. jingle.son went to bed happy (they're his 2nd fave team).
Yeah, that was nice to watch the Preds lose in front of their fans. That fan base irks me to no end.....and that being my brother in laws team makes it that much sweeter that they lost at home.
The real reason. :lol
Rite?? I'm sure there wasn't a text or anything offering false condolences. :D ;)
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I don’t really follow the NHL but I’m just checking in to say I went to high school with Canadiens super rookie Cole Caufields mom.
As you were.
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Yeah, tonight's game should be very exciting, although probably not as epic as Vegas' previous Game 7. It would be funny to see the Wild finagle a 5-minute major
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Oh yeah, that would be really ugly for the Golden Knights if they get another 5-minute major penalty in a game 7, three years in a row and whether or not the Wild would capitalized like the Sharks did or didn't do anything at all, with little effort, like the Canucks did.
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Well, at least the Canes got 'er done. jingle.son went to bed happy (they're his 2nd fave team).
Yeah, that was nice to watch the Preds lose in front of their fans. That fan base irks me to no end.....and that being my brother in laws team makes it that much sweeter that they lost at home.
The real reason. :lol
Rite?? I'm sure there wasn't a text or anything offering false condolences. :D ;)
:lol He texted my youngest son after the Blues lost and asked him to start trooping for the Predators since the Blues were out and my son told him ‘not a chance’ :lol
I texted him and just said that at least the playoffs will be fun to watch now and not so stressful. We both knew our teams had no shot at a deep run. I’ll save the real ribbing for a better time.
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Well, at least the Canes got 'er done. jingle.son went to bed happy (they're his 2nd fave team).
Yeah, that was nice to watch the Preds lose in front of their fans. That fan base irks me to no end.....and that being my brother in laws team makes it that much sweeter that they lost at home.
The real reason. :lol
Rite?? I'm sure there wasn't a text or anything offering false condolences. :D ;)
:lol He texted my youngest son after the Blues lost and asked him to start trooping for the Predators since the Blues were out and my son told him ‘not a chance’ :lol
Your fathering skills deserve a medal.
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Well, at least the Canes got 'er done. jingle.son went to bed happy (they're his 2nd fave team).
Yeah, that was nice to watch the Preds lose in front of their fans. That fan base irks me to no end.....and that being my brother in laws team makes it that much sweeter that they lost at home.
Their announcers are even worse. Sure, all home team announcers are biased, but theirs are particularly atrocious. Check out the feed of Carolina's winning OT game the other night. "Score, and the series is over," said in the most boring and subdued tone ever. Just awful.
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Was hoping the Wild could pull out a win but Vegas showed up to take care of business.
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It'll be interesting to see if Seattle is as competitive out of the gate. Vegas has to be the best example of successful expansion.
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It'll be interesting to see if Seattle is as competitive out of the gate. Vegas has to be the best example of successful expansion.
Agreed. If they are, then it's almost entirely the loose draft rules that expose a lot of good players (I read that Oshie is potentially going to be up for grabs?). I always thought McPhee was pretty saavy with some of this moves, but we'll see if the Kraken / Francis are just as good.
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Yep, we'll see. Vegas did some good trades prior to the expansion draft where they got certain players that was pretty darn good for their system in their first year. Vegas got Fleury, because the Penguins gave them a second round pick in 2020 to pick the guy (which I think I can understand from the Penguins' view at the time, but still). I presume GMs won't make the same mistakes again in the Seattle draft, but it's hard to tell when it comes to GMs and the pressure they have to get under cap and to get rid of some bad contracts.
(https://i.imgur.com/Lq1KKQ0.png)
Edit: Also, that Penguins' second round pick Vegas got was part of a trade package to get Robin Lehner.
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Look at anyone's outlook at Vegas prior to the draft/trades or even after the team was put together. No one expected them to be this good. All accolades should go to the front office and staff in managing what they have. I really can't stand all the people after the fact acting like Vegas was ordained for greatness. The league is more in tune to the draft now, and while I don't doubt Seattle could be good, there is a next to zero chance they will be able to replicate what Vegas did, or even close to it.
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I really can't stand all the people after the fact acting like Vegas was ordained for greatness.
I agree. What superstar, besides Fleury, did they grab in the expansion draft? I know..ZERO!
But they drafted a bunch of 2nd to 3rd line tweeners and a bunch of #4 d-men who jelled incredibly and were extremely well coached.
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Well damn again. That loss hurts a bit more, because the Leafs dominated that OT. They got what they deserved though, for not showing up for the first 50 minutes of the game. Campbell is the only reason they got to OT (on the heels of a couple of lucky deflections).
If they don't play a full 60 minutes, they're gonna choke away this series. Time for Marner and Matthews to show up as Top 5 players in the league. How do players like Dannault and Gallagher shut them down - it's not like they're the second coming of Gainey and Carbonneau!
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They seem to do this all the time in the playoff Chad. Beat teams they shouldn't.
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If the Leafs can just put in a complete effort for a full 60 minutes, they should have no problem. The Habs had 10 shots in the first 5 minutes; 15 by the 10 minute mark - then 14 the rest of the game. I joked when it was 2-0 that they were playing more like the Marlies (AHL affiliate) than an NHL team, and jingle.son reminded me that even the Marlies got 2 past Price (on a conditioning stint Price did 3 days before the playoffs started).
They just haven't show that killer instinct, and other than game 2, Matthews and Marner haven't fulfilled on $11M AAV expectations. The Habs are punching out of their weight class for sure, but the Leafs have to get their heads out of their asses. Losing Muzzin is not going to be insignificant if he can't go for Game 7 - and groin injuries usually don't clear up in 48 hours.
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Price won that game for Montreal in OT. Dude was nails. I was watching thinking, "This is going to be one of those games where one team dominates OT and then the other team scores on one of their rare chances," and right on cue it happened. Game 7 ought to be fun.
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Price won that game for Montreal in OT. Dude was nails. I was watching thinking, "This is going to be one of those games where one team dominates OT and then the other team scores on one of their rare chances," and right on cue it happened. Game 7 ought to be fun.
In OT, you're right. But the Leafs really had no business getting it to OT. As good as Price was in the extra frame, Campbell was all that and a bag of chips in the first period, and a good chunk of the second while the Leafs did their hockey impression of the Washington Generals. Plus, he also had 2 remarkable saves right after the Habs made it 2-0 that gave the Leafs that chance to tie it up.
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The Canes have to be disappointed and frustrated. Vasielevskiy played out of his tits in the first period. The Canes stormed him and it easily could've been 4-0 ten minutes in.
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I was wondering why Fleury wasn't playing tonight. Now I'm really wondering. Poor move by the coach. Another guy who thinks he's smarter than everyone else.
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I switched off the game for a bit. Am I reading this right? The Avs are on a 9 minute power play?
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I switched off the game for a bit. Am I reading this right? The Avs are on a 9 minute power play?
I have no idea. I can't read the graphic NBC is using this year. The SOG are microscopic. I can tell whether it's the second or third period (unless I've been closely following the game, which I haven't with most of these games). And I can't tell how much time is on the penalty clock (and the game close is barely better). I did hear one of the announcers say Ryan Reeves had nine minutes of timed penalties, in addition to his match penalty.
And now the PBP guy confirmed the 9 minute PP! Dude really needs to sit a game for that crap.
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Reaves cross checked a guy from behind in G7 the other day into the goal post and got away with it. We'll see if the league actually cares this time about him trying to injure someone. Do not hold your breath.
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Reaves cross checked a guy from behind in G7 the other day into the goal post and got away with it. We'll see if the league actually cares this time about him trying to injure someone. Do not hold your breath.
Well, when you get an "intent to injure" match penalty, I think it's guaranteed he's getting something pretty beefy in terms of suspension.
Deboer is an absolute douche for even trying to defend him. I know as a coach you don't throw your players under the bus, but to look for the 'good' in what he did ("his gloves never came off and no one was hurt in the play") is classless. I'm starting to join Gary on the Anti-DeBoer train.
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I liked Reaves when he was on the Blues and always thought he was a pretty solid player and good team mate. But, that was pretty classless and I hope that he gets the book and then some thrown at him. He's already one of the toughest guys on the ice....you don't have to be a POS and kneel on someone's face or take cheap shots at a goalie.
I'd like to see the AV's steamroll Vegas now just for that......and so their F'n whiney D-Bag of a Coach gets ousted again from the playoffs.
I'm starting to join Gary on the Anti-DeBoer train.
Always room on this wagon for more. Dudes a nimrod
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I liked Reaves when he was on the Blues
Of course you did. ;D
......and so their F'n whiney D-Bag of a Coach gets ousted again from the playoffs.
I'm starting to join Gary on the Anti-DeBoer train.
Always room on this wagon for more. Dudes a nimrod
I can't stand the guy. He's a bald Kevin Spacey.
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Reaves cross checked a guy from behind in G7 the other day into the goal post and got away with it. We'll see if the league actually cares this time about him trying to injure someone. Do not hold your breath.
Well, when you get an "intent to injure" match penalty, I think it's guaranteed he's getting something pretty beefy in terms of suspension.
Two games - https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/31543600/vegas-golden-knights-defend-ryan-reaves-one-cleanest-tough-guys-nhl-calls-hearing-weigh-suspension
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^^ Boy, the NHL higher-ups must really hate Nazem Kadri if he gets 8, but this Reaves incident gets only two games.
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Oof, that was soft (x2).
The suspension Reaves got, and the goal Campbell just allowed.
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^^ Boy, the NHL higher-ups must really hate Nazem Kadri if he gets 8, but this Reaves incident gets only two games.
Yeah, but Kadri is a repeat piece of shit. I'm sure that's what added games.
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Yeah, but Kadri is a repeat piece of shit.
Yeah, I'd like to repeat, Kadri is a piece of shit.
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OK, I just now saw the Reeves penalty. You guys think he should've gotten MORE than two games for that??
And Campbell cannot let that goal in.
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Bye-bye Leafs
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The Maple Leafs are a joke. How many first round playoff chokes are you going to put your fan base through? They are the most devoted, loyal, passionate fans in the league and they deserve so much better than this.
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Whistles....., I don't even know how the heck you can fix this Leafs' team to show some form of progress other than have your top 2 players in the line-up show up on the score card in the playoffs when it's most needed. That's a tough one to take in. Sorry, Jingle.
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Go Habs Go!
lol, I don't follow hockey that much but living in quebec the Canadiens are in the playoffs I'm surrounded by it 24/7. I fully expect they will choke as well in round 2 if it makes any diffrerence to leafs fans
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Crazy. The Leafs stars will take the heat for this, but stars get shut down in the playoffs sometimes, and the teams that advance are the ones whose 3rd and 4th lines step up and score key goals. No one stepped up for Toronto these last three games.
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As soon as I heard Joe Thornton told the team to just enjoy this, I thought they'd be toast. I'm sure Joe wants to win and all, but he certainly has never lived and died with it.
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That's the best part of this, knowing that Thornton was on that team.
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Crazy. The Leafs stars will take the heat for this, but stars get shut down in the playoffs sometimes, and the teams that advance are the ones whose 3rd and 4th lines step up and score key goals. No one stepped up for Toronto these last three games.
Having guys like Matthews and Tavares is great, but if the success of your team relies entirely on your superstars, you’re not gonna get far in the playoffs (see: Edmonton Oilers).
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This feels appropriate somehow ;D https://youtu.be/Q-t8W4X8Obo
To the uninitated this is a history lesson about the Leafs in the form of a rockin' tune by the Tragically Hip
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What an OT. I had no rooting interest there, and I was still a nervous wreck. :lol :lol
Always like seeing a series go long (unless it is the Blackhawks or Red Wings, in which case let them get swept), so glad the team down a game already won.
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I got a lot of raging thoughts in my head, but my airing of grievances will wait a day or so.
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I got a lot of raging thoughts in my head, but my airing of grievances will wait a day or so.
That is a very mature way of handling it. I completely disagree with it as I find a good rage post or two to be cathartic :lol but it's a sign of wisdom and self control.
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I got a lot of raging thoughts in my head, but my airing of grievances will wait a day or so.
That is a very mature way of handling it. I completely disagree with it as I find a good rage post or two to be cathartic :lol but it's a sign of wisdom and self control.
Nothing will match your 2014 playoff exit rage post (with the pics of you flipping the bird to each player in the program book).
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I got a lot of raging thoughts in my head, but my airing of grievances will wait a day or so.
That is a very mature way of handling it. I completely disagree with it as I find a good rage post or two to be cathartic :lol but it's a sign of wisdom and self control.
Nothing will match your 2014 playoff exit rage post (with the pics of you flipping the bird to each player in the program book).
That is, to this day, my favorite post on these entire forums.
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I got a lot of raging thoughts in my head, but my airing of grievances will wait a day or so.
That is a very mature way of handling it. I completely disagree with it as I find a good rage post or two to be cathartic :lol but it's a sign of wisdom and self control.
Nothing will match your 2014 playoff exit rage post (with the pics of you flipping the bird to each player in the program book).
That is, to this day, my favorite post on these entire forums.
It's too bad the pics don't still exist (or maybe they do... just not linked properly anymore).
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I got a lot of raging thoughts in my head, but my airing of grievances will wait a day or so.
That is a very mature way of handling it. I completely disagree with it as I find a good rage post or two to be cathartic :lol but it's a sign of wisdom and self control.
Nothing will match your 2014 playoff exit rage post (with the pics of you flipping the bird to each player in the program book).
That is, to this day, my favorite post on these entire forums.
It's too bad the pics don't still exist (or maybe they do... just not linked properly anymore).
Yeah....I think those were through photbucket and then they changed to a paid subscription from free.....so my account was deactivated I guess??
The funny part of that was I started setting up that post in like the middle of the second period of that final game because I knew they were getting eliminated. That's easily the most time/effort I've ever put into a post :lol
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Awards finalists are coming out now. Vasilevskiy, Grubauer, and Fleury for the Vezina. No surprise there. I'd give it to Grubauer.
My predictions:
Hart - McDavid, Matthews, Rantanen
Norris - Fox, Makar, Hamilton
Adams - Quennville, Brind'Amour, Evason
Calder - Kaprizov, Robertson, Nedeljkovic
Selke - Eriksson Ek, Markus Foligno, O'Reilly
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Awards finalists are coming out now. Vasilevskiy, Grubauer, and Fleury for the Vezina. No surprise there. I'd give it to Grubauer.
My predictions:
Hart - McDavid, Matthews, Rantanen
Norris - Fox, Makar, Hamilton
Adams - Quennville, Brind'Amour, Evason
Calder - Kaprizov, Robertson, Nedeljkovic
Selke - Eriksson Ek, Markus Foligno, O'Reilly
I've not seen enough of any of these guys to have a clue. I couldn't tell you anything about Adam Fox.
WTF is Hamilton doing there??
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The only one of the majors for which finalists have been announced is the Vezina: Fleury, Grubauer and Vasilevskiy. Or am I missing something?
Lindsay - 6/2
Calder - 6/3
King Clancy - 6/4
Lady Byng - 6/5
Selke - 6/6
Norris - 6/9
Hart - 6/10
Adams - 6/11
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The only one of the majors for which finalists have been announced is the Vezina: Fleury, Grubauer and Vasilevskiy. Or am I missing something?
Lindsay - 6/2
Calder - 6/3
King Clancy - 6/4
Lady Byng - 6/5
Selke - 6/6
Norris - 6/9
Hart - 6/10
Adams - 6/11
I meant to imply I was predicting the finalists too.
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Interesting stat: The Maple Leafs just passed the Rangers for longest Stanley Cup drought. When the Rangers hit their then record 54 years without a title, it had been 27 years since Toronto’s last championship. This year the Maple Leafs broke the record, and it’s coincidentally been 27 years since the Rangers last won the Cup.
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The only one of the majors for which finalists have been announced is the Vezina: Fleury, Grubauer and Vasilevskiy. Or am I missing something?
Lindsay - 6/2
Calder - 6/3
King Clancy - 6/4
Lady Byng - 6/5
Selke - 6/6
Norris - 6/9
Hart - 6/10
Adams - 6/11
I meant to imply I was predicting the finalists too.
:tup
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Draft Lottery time!
Jim Nill :rollin
I would've bet money that Detroit was going to jump up.
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And the only significant thing that happened in the draft lottery is that Seattle moves from #3 to #2 and the Sabres gets to pick someone at #1 to rot in Buffalo. Ducks moved down one spot to #3. Yay?
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Absolutely disgusting hit by Scheifele at the end of the Jets/Habs game. I am actually getting tired of these playoffs, as it seems like there is a dirty hit like this every other night. Have players really lost that much respect for their opponents? Hockey should be better than this. :tdwn :tdwn
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Weak call against Vegas to get the AVs that PP to win the game. That ref should be ashamed of himself.
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Weak call against Vegas to get the AVs that PP to win the game. That ref should be ashamed of himself.
I didn't see it, but I saw the highlight of the OT goal this morning, saw that it was a PP, and I have to admit that my first thought was, "of course they gave the Avs a PP early in the OT." :lol :lol This reminds me of the Red Wings of 20 years ago where it seems like the refs are so enchanted by their talent that it's like they could assume any good defense against them must be a penalty. There is no other explanation for it.
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Absolutely disgusting hit by Scheifele at the end of the Jets/Habs game. I am actually getting tired of these playoffs, as it seems like there is a dirty hit like this every other night. Have players really lost that much respect for their opponents? Hockey should be better than this. :tdwn :tdwn
Not sure I agree. 20 years ago, no one would've thought twice about this hit. I think the NHL is *too* soft. It was certainly a penalty, and 'unsportsmanlike", but I don't think it was dirty (maybe a little cheap), but I can understand wanting to send a message to put the Montreal team on notice that THEY should also be looking over their shoulders a little. There were at least 2 situations where Montreal 'got away' with an accidental-on-purpose elbow to the head in Round 1. I think it was a VERY HARD cheap shot, but it was a clean hit (imo). If he gets a suspension out of it, it's just another step on the path in removing virtually all contact.
I've said it many times before, players these days expect the refs and rules to protect them, rather than protecting themselves. Evans should've been aware that someone was bearing down on him.
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Absolutely disgusting hit by Scheifele at the end of the Jets/Habs game. I am actually getting tired of these playoffs, as it seems like there is a dirty hit like this every other night. Have players really lost that much respect for their opponents? Hockey should be better than this. :tdwn :tdwn
Not sure I agree. 20 years ago, no one would've thought twice about this hit. I think the NHL is *too* soft. It was certainly a penalty, and 'unsportsmanlike", but I don't think it was dirty (maybe a little cheap), but I can understand wanting to send a message to put the Montreal team on notice that THEY should also be looking over their shoulders a little. There were at least 2 situations where Montreal 'got away' with an accidental-on-purpose elbow to the head in Round 1. I think it was a VERY HARD cheap shot, but it was a clean hit (imo). If he gets a suspension out of it, it's just another step on the path in removing virtually all contact.
I've said it many times before, players these days expect the refs and rules to protect them, rather than protecting themselves. Evans should've been aware that someone was bearing down on him.
I agree with Chad. Especially the bolded.
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Look, I never want to see anyone injured or stretchered off the ice. But I'm tired of players not being aware of their surroundings and/or leaving themselves in vulnerable positions (that's not the case here, but lots of other times players put themselves in a bad position) - whether it's a hit within the rules or not, players still need to take care of themselves.
And me saying it was "clean", I mean Scheifele didn't hit Evans' head first, leap at him, lead with the stick or elbow, or anything like that. It for sure was a massive charge, but that's all I can say about it.
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Absolutely disgusting hit by Scheifele at the end of the Jets/Habs game. I am actually getting tired of these playoffs, as it seems like there is a dirty hit like this every other night. Have players really lost that much respect for their opponents? Hockey should be better than this. :tdwn :tdwn
Not sure I agree. 20 years ago, no one would've thought twice about this hit. I think the NHL is *too* soft. It was certainly a penalty, and 'unsportsmanlike", but I don't think it was dirty (maybe a little cheap), but I can understand wanting to send a message to put the Montreal team on notice that THEY should also be looking over their shoulders a little. There were at least 2 situations where Montreal 'got away' with an accidental-on-purpose elbow to the head in Round 1. I think it was a VERY HARD cheap shot, but it was a clean hit (imo). If he gets a suspension out of it, it's just another step on the path in removing virtually all contact.
I've said it many times before, players these days expect the refs and rules to protect them, rather than protecting themselves. Evans should've been aware that someone was bearing down on him.
I agree with Chad. Especially the bolded.
I agree BUT I also think 'cleaning up' the game has caused some of this as well. These type of hits didn't happen as frequent when you had Tony Twist or Bob Probert sitting on your bench. Sure, 20 years ago these hits happened but you also knew that if you laid this type of hit out you were facing a dozen or so shots to your face from someone's fist. But I do agree that players have to be more aware and in control
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Weak call against Vegas to get the AVs that PP to win the game. That ref should be ashamed of himself.
I didn't see it, but I saw the highlight of the OT goal this morning, saw that it was a PP, and I have to admit that my first thought was, "of course they gave the Avs a PP early in the OT." :lol :lol This reminds me of the Red Wings of 20 years ago where it seems like the refs are so enchanted by their talent that it's like they could assume any good defense against them must be a penalty. There is no other explanation for it.
Here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUK5Ao0JhYo
Weak.....Weak....call AND play by the AVs player. One hand on his stick and it just gets knocked out of his hand on a play that happens probably on every face off. There's no way this should have been called a 'slash' in a 2-2 tied OT Playoff game.
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Gary, it reminds me with the face shields. Now players are not careful with their sticks. I felt there were less sticks to the face when there was no face shields.
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Weak call against Vegas to get the AVs that PP to win the game. That ref should be ashamed of himself.
I didn't see it, but I saw the highlight of the OT goal this morning, saw that it was a PP, and I have to admit that my first thought was, "of course they gave the Avs a PP early in the OT." :lol :lol This reminds me of the Red Wings of 20 years ago where it seems like the refs are so enchanted by their talent that it's like they could assume any good defense against them must be a penalty. There is no other explanation for it.
Here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUK5Ao0JhYo
Weak.....Weak....call AND play by the AVs player. One hand on his stick and it just gets knocked out of his hand on a play that happens probably on every face off. There's no way this should have been called a 'slash' in a 2-2 tied OT Playoff game.
Yeah, these calls are tricky. I agree, that in the first minute of OT, this is a dumbass call. It's a grey area though - players should be holding on to their sticks a little better, but if these are *never* called as penalties, then players will be swinging their stick like an axe at every opportunity... *trying* to strip a player of his stick. It's definitely a judgment call for the refs, and this was bad judgment - considering the Avs player only had one had on his stick because his other hand was on the Knights player to shove him out of the way to get to the puck - which is a quasi-hold. If you're gonna call that a slash, then give the Avs play 2 for holding as well.
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Weak call against Vegas to get the AVs that PP to win the game. That ref should be ashamed of himself.
I didn't see it, but I saw the highlight of the OT goal this morning, saw that it was a PP, and I have to admit that my first thought was, "of course they gave the Avs a PP early in the OT." :lol :lol This reminds me of the Red Wings of 20 years ago where it seems like the refs are so enchanted by their talent that it's like they could assume any good defense against them must be a penalty. There is no other explanation for it.
Here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUK5Ao0JhYo
Weak.....Weak....call AND play by the AVs player. One hand on his stick and it just gets knocked out of his hand on a play that happens probably on every face off. There's no way this should have been called a 'slash' in a 2-2 tied OT Playoff game.
Yeah, these calls are tricky. I agree, that in the first minute of OT, this is a dumbass call. It's a grey area though - players should be holding on to their sticks a little better, but if these are *never* called as penalties, then players will be swinging their stick like an axe at every opportunity... *trying* to strip a player of his stick. It's definitely a judgment call for the refs, and this was bad judgment - considering the Avs player only had one had on his stick because his other hand was on the Knights player to shove him out of the way to get to the puck - which is a quasi-hold. If you're gonna call that a slash, then give the Avs play 2 for holding as well.
Yep. Was it 'technically' a penalty.....sure. But this is OT in the freaking playoffs and as you said there were two 'technical' infractions happening in that play from both teams. Plus, that was the AV's 6th PP in that game. I didn't watch the whole game....maybe the other 5 were balls to bones legit calls. I mean, the AVs are quick and they create penalties but then again they're playing Vegas who is a great team also so they know how to defend.
I'm just sayin'.....the AVs are getting some great timely PP's thus far. Not that the Blues had a chance to beat them but the AVs always seemed to get a PP anytime the Blues had any type of momentum or pressure.
Whatevs'......stress free hockey watching is much more fun
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^^ An interesting observation I read from time to time was that McDavid was so dang good at drawing penalties that people found it really odd that he didn't draw a single penalty in the series against Winnipeg. Interesting that the Avs are getting favorable calls for borderline "minor" stuff (and making good use of them).
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Weak call against Vegas to get the AVs that PP to win the game. That ref should be ashamed of himself.
I didn't see it, but I saw the highlight of the OT goal this morning, saw that it was a PP, and I have to admit that my first thought was, "of course they gave the Avs a PP early in the OT." :lol :lol This reminds me of the Red Wings of 20 years ago where it seems like the refs are so enchanted by their talent that it's like they could assume any good defense against them must be a penalty. There is no other explanation for it.
Here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUK5Ao0JhYo
Weak.....Weak....call AND play by the AVs player. One hand on his stick and it just gets knocked out of his hand on a play that happens probably on every face off. There's no way this should have been called a 'slash' in a 2-2 tied OT Playoff game.
To say nothing of his reaction. I saw that, and my reaction was, "get your hands out of the air and hold onto your stick, bitch."
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Awards finalists are coming out now. Vasilevskiy, Grubauer, and Fleury for the Vezina. No surprise there. I'd give it to Grubauer.
My predictions:
Hart - McDavid, Matthews, Rantanen
Norris - Fox, Makar, Hamilton
Adams - Quennville, Brind'Amour, Evason
Calder - Kaprizov, Robertson, Nedeljkovic :tup
Selke - Eriksson Ek, Markus Foligno, O'Reilly
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Wow, that was a bullshit call.
I actually am not in any way enraged at the Scheifele hit. I mean, the guy is about to score. Sure he came a long way, and perhaps the distance dictates it that it's a penalty, but what else was he supposed to do as the guy is about to stuff the puck in the net.
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I've said it many times before, players these days expect the refs and rules to protect them, rather than protecting themselves. Evans should've been aware that someone was bearing down on him.
Ice hockey is a sport, not a jungle. You must be allowed to score on an empty net without fear of someone totaling you out of frustration. If you can't trust the rules or officials the game has a serious problem.
And me saying it was "clean", I mean Scheifele didn't hit Evans' head first, leap at him, lead with the stick or elbow, or anything like that. It for sure was a massive charge, but that's all I can say about it.
It doesn't matter how "clean" a check is if it's performed in a violent manner, which is simply not permitted by the official NHL rules (charging). The fact Evans suffered a head injury (concussion) also mandated a game misconduct per the charging rule.
I mean, the guy is about to score. Sure he came a long way, and perhaps the distance dictates it that it's a penalty, but what else was he supposed to do as the guy is about to stuff the puck in the net.
He could've easily poke-checked the wraparound but clearly wasn't even thinking about it, even though it was too late for anything else. Just a very stupid play by a frustrated player.
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I actually am not in any way enraged at the Scheifele hit. I mean, the guy is about to score. Sure he came a long way, and perhaps the distance dictates it that it's a penalty, but what else was he supposed to do as the guy is about to stuff the puck in the net.
I kinda feel the same way, but.... It was an obvious charging penalty, so that's were things start. Did Scheifele intend to make head contact? Probably not, but he did. He also pretty clearly had no intent to play the puck or try and stop the goal. His sole intent was to deliver a hit, and he left his feet in doing so. All that being the case, assuming he has no history, my guess is that he'll get a game or two.
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That is the key pg. If he swatted for the puck and still delivered that hit I think it's looked at differently. He made no attempt at the puck.
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I actually am not in any way enraged at the Scheifele hit. I mean, the guy is about to score. Sure he came a long way, and perhaps the distance dictates it that it's a penalty, but what else was he supposed to do as the guy is about to stuff the puck in the net.
I kinda feel the same way, but.... It was an obvious charging penalty, so that's were things start. Did Scheifele intend to make head contact? Probably not, but he did. He also pretty clearly had no intent to play the puck or try and stop the goal. His sole intent was to deliver a hit, and he left his feet in doing so. All that being the case, assuming he has no history, my guess is that he'll get a game or two.
I feel like if he plays the puck, he's going to get a mouthful of goal post. His only option was to take the body.
I get it, it was definitely a charge, but if I can play semantics, I view it as a nasty hit, but not a dirty hit.
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Wow, that was a bullshit call.
I actually am not in any way enraged at the Scheifele hit. I mean, the guy is about to score. Sure he came a long way, and perhaps the distance dictates it that it's a penalty, but what else was he supposed to do as the guy is about to stuff the puck in the net.
Right!?!? And Scheifele HAS to be skating at full speed the whole time if he wants to have a chance at stopping the EN. *AND* theres still about a minute left, there's not an insignificant chance that an EN goal is the difference maker in a victory, or OT. If he's there even 1/2 a second earlier, the puck isn't in the net, and the Jets still have a chance to tie - even if he gets a penalty for the hit.
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I feel like if he plays the puck, he's going to get a mouthful of goal post. His only option was to take the body.
I get it, it was definitely a charge, but if I can play semantics, I view it as a nasty hit, but not a dirty hit.
I don't view it as dirty either, but it certainly was intended to be a hard hit for the sake of hitting him. If you watch on slow-mo (as the DPS will do), he doesn't have his stick extended, as you'd expect since a stick check would be the best way to stop the goal. Then, when he hits the blue paint, he turns his upper body, which pulls his stick further away from the puck, and lowers his shoulder to deliver the hit. So he can't plausibly argue that it was just an unfortunate result of a genuine effort to stop the goal. Having chosen to deliver a hit, the onus was on him to avoid contact with the head, and he failed miserably. Dirty? No. Cheap? A little. Suspension worthy? Yeah, absolutely, and I'm a little surprised we haven't heard the result yet.
By the way, props to Nikolaj Ehlers.
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4 Games for Scheifele. Pretty stern as playoff games*, and a guy with no history - especially when Reaves gets two for his BS last week.
DPS confounds me. I still don't think it was suspension worthy, but even based on the DPS' own explanation, 4 playoff games is pretty harsh.
* Brian Burke would always say that when he ran DPS, playoff games were weighted at least 1:2 or 1:3. So, this would be an 8-12 game suspension in the regular season??
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4 games is ridiculous. You know what..give him a game, whatever. but FOUR?? That's a fucking gift for the Habs.
Let me guess, the Montreal police opened up an investigation.. :lol (Chara reference) :lol
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Isles hitting a ton in the second period.
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This game is ridiculous. Every game so far. No one on either team can touch the puck and not get hit.
B's need to stop taking dumbass penalties.
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Weak call against Vegas to get the AVs that PP to win the game. That ref should be ashamed of himself.
I didn't see it, but I saw the highlight of the OT goal this morning, saw that it was a PP, and I have to admit that my first thought was, "of course they gave the Avs a PP early in the OT." :lol :lol This reminds me of the Red Wings of 20 years ago where it seems like the refs are so enchanted by their talent that it's like they could assume any good defense against them must be a penalty. There is no other explanation for it.
Here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUK5Ao0JhYo
Weak.....Weak....call AND play by the AVs player. One hand on his stick and it just gets knocked out of his hand on a play that happens probably on every face off. There's no way this should have been called a 'slash' in a 2-2 tied OT Playoff game.
Pretty weak, yeah. Ugh.
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4 games is ridiculous. You know what..give him a game, whatever. but FOUR?? That's a fucking gift for the Habs.
Let me guess, the Montreal police opened up an investigation.. :lol (Chara reference) :lol
Agreed. It should have been a lot more.
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4 games is ridiculous. You know what..give him a game, whatever. but FOUR?? That's a fucking gift for the Habs.
Let me guess, the Montreal police opened up an investigation.. :lol (Chara reference) :lol
Agreed. It should have been a lot more.
Genuine question to ya Kev .... why do you think it was worth more (assuming you're being serious)?
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2 games would have been fine.
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*Wipes Brow*
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I will give him his due: Marchand is an annoying pissant, but he does score some big goals.
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I will give him his due: Marchand is an annoying pissant, but he does score some big goals.
Kev, Marchand is literally one of the best players in the league. Pull up any measurable over the last 5 or so years and he's right there.
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That is why I gave him (some of) his due. :P
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For the most part, he's gotten away from the "agitator" to s team leader.
He's been consistent and growing every year.
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If I may throw in a slight jab...
All that might be true, but I will still enjoy the fact that his mental blunder allowed the Blues to score what turned out to the GWG in Game 7 of the finals in 2019. That will never not make me smile. :biggrin:
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Funny. I must have blocked it out. I don't remember it. Thankfully.
I still can't blame him. His effort is always 100%.
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I was telling someone at work today that I think the finals will be Colorado vs either Boston or Tampa Bay. I am standing by that.
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Tampa is a huge hurdle.
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I’m honestly not sure there will still be professionnal sports like hockey or football in a 100 years or even just 50 years. The consequences of concussions and head injuries are becoming better understood and there’s already been controversy over suppressing some of that information coming out. At some point people just won’t want to get into that field, or more accurately since you have to start young maybe their parents won’t let them.
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I’m honestly not sure there will still be professionnal sports like hockey or football in a 100 years or even just 50 years. The consequences of concussions and head injuries are becoming better understood and there’s already been controversy over suppressing some of that information coming out. At some point people just won’t want to get into that field, or more accurately since you have to start young maybe their parents won’t let them.
It's possible for some sports. I know we won't let our kids play football. Just not worth the risk. Up here in Canada, though, you'd be hard pressed to convince parents not to put their kids in hockey. Some of the leagues are at least making an effort. Quebec minor hockey pushed back the age at which contact and hitting is allowed to something like 15 years old, whereas I believe hitting is introduced at 11 in other provinces (I could be wrong about that age though...my kids aren't even old enough for initiation hockey).
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I’m honestly not sure there will still be professionnal sports like hockey or football in a 100 years or even just 50 years. The consequences of concussions and head injuries are becoming better understood and there’s already been controversy over suppressing some of that information coming out. At some point people just won’t want to get into that field, or more accurately since you have to start young maybe their parents won’t let them.
It's possible for some sports. I know we won't let our kids play football. Just not worth the risk. Up here in Canada, though, you'd be hard pressed to convince parents not to put their kids in hockey. Some of the leagues are at least making an effort. Quebec minor hockey pushed back the age at which contact and hitting is allowed to something like 15 years old, whereas I believe hitting is introduced at 11 in other provinces (I could be wrong about that age though...my kids aren't even old enough for initiation hockey).
I live in Quebec so I agree it’s hard to imagine parents not signing up their kids for hockey. But I don’t know, images like that hit that just happened are hard to watch.
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Quebec was robbed decades ago of their team. The deserve a team again. Passionate fanbase.
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Quebec was robbed decades ago of their team. The deserve a team again. Passionate fanbase.
word. Though I don’t live in Quebec City, more like 250 miles east of it, when I was a kid we would go to games there as often as we could.
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I'm from N.H. I remember the Stastny brothers very well. And Ron Tugnut having a 73 save performance against the B's.
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Because of how I pronounced it when I was like 7, my dad and I still refer to them as the Quebec "Nor-da-cues." :lol :lol
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Quebec was robbed decades ago of their team. The deserve a team again. Passionate fanbase.
word. Though I don’t live in Quebec City, more like 250 miles east of it, when I was a kid we would go to games there as often as we could.
Isn't that the middle of New Brunswick lol?
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Quebec was robbed decades ago of their team. The deserve a team again. Passionate fanbase.
word. Though I don’t live in Quebec City, more like 250 miles east of it, when I was a kid we would go to games there as often as we could.
Isn't that the middle of New Brunswick lol?
lol, sorry I don’t really think of it that way , along the south shore of the st-lawrence so I guess it’s technically north east of Quebec city.
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I’m honestly not sure there will still be professionnal sports like hockey or football in a 100 years or even just 50 years. The consequences of concussions and head injuries are becoming better understood and there’s already been controversy over suppressing some of that information coming out. At some point people just won’t want to get into that field, or more accurately since you have to start young maybe their parents won’t let them.
It's possible for some sports. I know we won't let our kids play football. Just not worth the risk. Up here in Canada, though, you'd be hard pressed to convince parents not to put their kids in hockey. Some of the leagues are at least making an effort. Quebec minor hockey pushed back the age at which contact and hitting is allowed to something like 15 years old, whereas I believe hitting is introduced at 11 in other provinces (I could be wrong about that age though...my kids aren't even old enough for initiation hockey).
I live in Quebec so I agree it’s hard to imagine parents not signing up their kids for hockey. But I don’t know, images like that hit that just happened are hard to watch.
Watching a guy get leveled in a hockey game wouldn't scare me from having my kids play hockey. It's what happened to Travis Roy that would.
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I actually saw the Quebec Nord-a-cues with Sakic play the Bruins.
And Ron Tugnut having a 73 save performance against the B's.
That was amazing. I remember watching that game on TV. They still replay it every now and then.
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And Ron Tugnut having a 73 save performance against the B's.
That was amazing. I remember watching that game on TV. They still replay it every now and then.
Yeah, that was a special performance.
As for things that scare me, I'm continually amazed that skate blades don't do more serious damage. A 17-year old goalie for the Niagara Icedogs sliced an artery in his leg about a year and a half ago, and the pool of blood was almost the size of the crease. He survived (thanks to a trainer squeezing the artery tight the entire ride to the hospital).
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edit: nevermind read the score wrong, lol I wasn't watching the game
anyway, go Habs
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Jebus, from being one loss away from getting a first-round exit to 6 straight wins in a row for the Habs and being 3-0 against the Jets. Despite certain rough patches in the last half of the season, they certainly happy that now is the time for things to click.
On another note, is there any announcements on how the Canadian Gov't is going to handle travel of teams coming in and out of Canada? The NHL sorta needs an answer pretty darn soon.
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Didn't they just announce approval today?
I'm watching the Avs/Knights game and it's on the bottom crawl.
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Yeah, the Canadian gov is allowing an exemption for NHL travel.
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Jebus, from being one loss away from getting a first-round exit to 6 straight wins in a row for the Habs and being 3-0 against the Jets. Despite certain rough patches in the last half of the season, they certainly happy that now is the time for things to click.
Not just that, but 2 of those elimination games went to OT (I seem to recall the Leafs hitting a post in Game 6?). Now they really do look like the 2nd coming of the '95 Devils. Price with a .938 save percentage isn't hurting them either.
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Montreal was the last Canadian team to win the Cup so it would make sense for them to be the team to break the curse. Do I want to see that happen, no, but it would be an interesting case of symmetry.
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Montreal was the last Canadian team to win the Cup so it would make sense for them to be the team to break the curse. Do I want to see that happen, no, but it would be an interesting case of symmetry.
SO many things would have to happen for ANY of the Canadian teams to win the cup this year. First one would be, the American teams don't show up......second would be a hot goaltender.
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Montreal was the last Canadian team to win the Cup so it would make sense for them to be the team to break the curse. Do I want to see that happen, no, but it would be an interesting case of symmetry.
SO many things would have to happen for ANY of the Canadian teams to win the cup this year. First one would be, the American teams don't show up......second would be a hot goaltender.
So 1 of those 2 is already in place. Price is a beast right now. I still don't think they have the firepower to beat a Col, Bos, or TB, but it wouldn't surprise me either. If they can beat Toronto, they can probably beat any of the other eastern teams. Mind you, Toronto's top players didn't bother showing up, so maybe the Habs just got lucky on a hot goaltender.
I think the Avs are the team to beat these playoffs. They look like a complete squad. If it ends up being Vegas v. Montreal, I think the latter could pull the upset.
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I think the Avs are the team to beat these playoffs. They look like a complete squad. If it ends up being Vegas v. Montreal, I think the latter could pull the upset.
Not based on the last 7 periods of that series! Vegas has bitch-slapped them since the end of Game 2. Avs better get their heads out of their asses.
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I think the Avs are the team to beat these playoffs. They look like a complete squad. If it ends up being Vegas v. Montreal, I think the latter could pull the upset.
Not based on the last 7 periods of that series! Vegas has bitch-slapped them since the end of Game 2. Avs better get their heads out of their asses.
Minor setback. A speedbump, shall we say.
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I think the Avs are the team to beat these playoffs. They look like a complete squad. If it ends up being Vegas v. Montreal, I think the latter could pull the upset.
Not based on the last 7 periods of that series! Vegas has bitch-slapped them since the end of Game 2. Avs better get their heads out of their asses.
If not for that gift PP in OT the AVs could easily be down 2-1 instead of up 2-1. Vegas is no joke.
And I'm only teasing about a Canadian team being unable to win a cup this year. All it takes is the right group of guys buying in for one another and anything can happen. I 'think' the American teams remaining stack up better against the Canadian teams remaining....but, you have to play the games. Couple bounces, couple calls....hot goalie....someone gets hot and scores a bundle.....anything can happen.
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I think the Avs are the team to beat these playoffs. They look like a complete squad. If it ends up being Vegas v. Montreal, I think the latter could pull the upset.
Not based on the last 7 periods of that series! Vegas has bitch-slapped them since the end of Game 2. Avs better get their heads out of their asses.
If not for that gift PP in OT the AVs could easily be down 2-1 instead of up 2-1. Vegas is no joke.
And I'm only teasing about a Canadian team being unable to win a cup this year. All it takes is the right group of guys buying in for one another and anything can happen. I 'think' the American teams remaining stack up better against the Canadian teams remaining....but, you have to play the games. Couple bounces, couple calls....hot goalie....someone gets hot and scores a bundle.....anything can happen.
It's most likely the winner is an american team, not just because of the 3 to 1 advantage in numbers going into the next round. Honestly, had someone told me at the start of the season that Montreal would likely be in a conference final I'd have told them to pound sand....only in less kind terms.
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Yup... Montreal is proof of that. They got dominated by the Leafs for 2 straight games, and their only victory after Game 4 was a close nail-biter, with the Leafs mentally down from losing Tavares. The Leafs coasted in Game 5; the Habs got a massive emotional boost from having fans in attendance at long last; then the Leafs had the yips and Campbell let in his one-and-only bad goal.
They've gotten a bit of luck on their side - twice now getting an opponent's top-3 player off the ice for the bulk of the series, gel'd as a team to play suffocating defense, and have a hot goalie. They can't count on all those things falling into place for four rounds.
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Not based on the last 7 periods of that series! Vegas has bitch-slapped them since the end of Game 2. Avs better get their heads out of their asses.
I just realized that Vegas/AVs played last night....checked the highlights....... :omg: I would say that momentum is definitely in favor of the Knights right now.
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The refs are letting EVERYTHING go tonight! Holy crap!
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B's dominating but down 2. A very frustrating game.
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Is the Tuukka Rask Era over in Boston?
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That 3rd period was nuts. The Bruins came at the Islanders for that entire 3rd period like a pack of wasps whose nest had been swatted. I thought for sure they were going to tie it up. That series is going 7.
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Congratulations to the Montreal Canadiens for sneaking into the playoffs and taking care of business in the weakest division in hockey this year. Enjoy the sweep, and I’m sorry in advance for the beating either Colorado or Vegas is going to hand you.
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They put their shit together, and took advantage of the tough breaks the Leafs and Jets had to deal with. The latter two couldn’t find their game when they needed it, and the bottom of the lineup didn’t step up.
I’d hardly call the North the weakest Division tho. Each division had their share of shit-kicker teams. The Avs and Knights had the 3 Cali teams to beat up; Carolina and TB had Detroit and the Jackets; and let’s not forget the easy Ws everyone in the East had against Buffalo. Vancouver was in pretty good shape until the whole team was ravaged by COVID.
Hard to say which was the weakest Division .... the bottom four in the West were the worst bottom four of all divisions. I mean, we’re the Wild REALLY that good, or were the Cali teams and AZ just that bad?
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Well, there were periods were Coyotes and Kings looked like, with enough oomph to it, they could have contended for that 4th spot and then they went into the buzzsaws that is Golden Knights and Avs. I will argue in the case of the Wild that they probably would have fared well against teams like Canucks, Jets, and Flames and maybe the Oilers. I'm not convinced that either of Canucks or Flames gets into the top 3 in the Pacific next season. I'm thinking it will probably be Golden Knights, Oilers, and Kraken if they built a solid team.
The Sharks were bad (except when they faced the Kings for some reason. Kings went 2-5-1 against the Sharks. At least, two of those games the Kings were actually hammering the Sharks on shots and couldn't beat Martin Jones enough to win those games. F***). Ducks were terrible as well. Kings had small moments of looking like they were going to be something and then they went back into being their 2018-2020 form of crappiness.
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Well, there were periods were Coyotes and Kings looked like, with enough oomph to it, they could have contended for that 4th spot and then they went into the buzzsaws that is Golden Knights and Avs. I will argue in the case of the Wild that they probably would have fared well against teams like Canucks, Jets, and Flames and maybe the Oilers. I'm not convinced that either of Canucks or Flames gets into the top 3 in the Pacific next season. I'm thinking it will probably be Golden Knights, Oilers, and Kraken if they built a solid team.
The Sharks were bad (except when they faced the Kings for some reason. Kings went 2-5-1 against the Sharks. At least, two of those games the Kings were actually hammering the Sharks on shots and couldn't beat Martin Jones enough to win those games. F***). Ducks were terrible as well. Kings had small moments of looking like they were going to be something and then they went back into being their 2018-2020 form of crappiness.
I think that the Canucks might contend for that 3rd spot. I think they'll lose Holtby to the expansion draft, or trade him before hand (Edmonton maybe??). I think those bottom four teams benefited from a beat-down Blues lineup at times - especially the Coyotes.
It's semantics though ... I think all four divisions had their powerhouses (Wpg could've been, if not for their huge end-of-season slump), and their shit-kickers ... sandwiched between with some average/adequate lineups. As for Montreal taking the North, they're reaping the benefits of clicking at the right time, and their opponents under-performing. Montreal is definitely punching out of their weight-class, and very likely to get their clock cleaned by the Avs or Knights. Who knows though - they might actually be the second coming of the '12 Kings!
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Congratulations to the Montreal Canadiens for sneaking into the playoffs and taking care of business in the weakest division in hockey this year. Enjoy the sweep, and I’m sorry in advance for the beating either Colorado or Vegas is going to hand you.
Never say never. The winner of Avs/Vegas should thrash Montreal, but sports history is filled with losing teams that should have won a game or series. A hot goalie like Price can be the wild card that flips everything.
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Fleury just completely shit the bed on that goal. What a lackluster attempt.
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Tampa looks like Juggernaught.
Bonehead save attempt by Flower with 1.8 seconds to go.
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Huge win for Vegas, and now they have a chance to close out Colorado at home.
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Vegas showing a lot of grit.
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Not that I want to see the Vegas fans get a Cup this quickly, but I will rejoice if they knock Kroenke's team out. Avs gagged that away big time last night.
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Not that I want to see the Vegas fans get a Cup this quickly, but I will rejoice if they knock Kroenke's team out. Avs gagged that away big time last night.
Yep. It won't break my heart if they happen to win it.....I just detest their coach but I can live with seeing Petrangelo winning another cup. Speaking of which....he's playing incredible which isn't surprising. It's that back end of the contract that's going to hurt but the first few years he will be and is worth every penny.
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A friend and I were texting back and forth about the COL/VEG game. Basically trading expletives toward the end. I wasn't watching the end of regulation or OT because my wife wanted to watch American Ninja Warrior, so I was following the game on the ESPN app. Before I knew OT had even started, the game was final. I'm so pissed that Colorado is gagging away this series. Vegas winning the whole thing would be THE worst possible scenario (almost on par with Anaheim winning in '07).
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Especially with the chance that the Avs had just 10 seconds in. Saves are very easy to make when you shoot the puck right into the logo on the 'tender's jersey. :facepalm:
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Man, I don't want to root for Montreal to beat the Golden Knights if it comes to that, but I hate the Golden Knights more at the moment, so there we go.
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Especially with the chance that the Avs had just 10 seconds in. Saves are very easy to make when you shoot the puck right into the logo on the 'tender's jersey. :facepalm:
See Red Wings v. Ducks, 2003 first round series.
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Especially with the chance that the Avs had just 10 seconds in. Saves are very easy to make when you shoot the puck right into the logo on the 'tender's jersey. :facepalm:
That game could have easily been 7-2 Colorado. From a handful of great saves by Fleury to a handful where Colorado just fired it into the breadbasket. Same could be said for Vegas though....they choked a couple scoring chances as well.
Bottom line is....you have to play the games and execute. Things happen in the game for both teams and it's how you respond that matters. And Vegas has responded in kind every since that weak penalty call on them that gave the AVs the PP and essentially the win in Game 2. It's been impressive.
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Man, I don't want to root for Montreal to beat the Golden Knights if it comes to that, but I hate the Golden Knights more at the moment, so there we go.
I'm not sure which team I loathe more. As a Canadian, I should be cheering for the Canadiens, but I really don't see that happening.
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why so much hate for the Canadiens? I live in Habs country so it’s sometimes hard to see how they are perceived elsewhere.
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I can't speak for Chad but I'm a Bruins fan so I think you can understand that one. LOL Though this years team is not hateable like in the past.
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why so much hate for the Canadiens? I live in Habs country so it’s sometimes hard to see how they are perceived elsewhere.
You're new to this thread, so I'll fill you in: jingle.boy=Leafs fan.
If you need more explanation than that, you're lying about where you live and your knowledge of NHL fandom in the region.
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why so much hate for the Canadiens? I live in Habs country so it’s sometimes hard to see how they are perceived elsewhere.
You're new to this thread, so I'll fill you in: jingle.boy=Leafs fan.
If you need more explanation than that, you're lying about where you live and your knowledge of NHL fandom in the region.
right, that makes sense , lol :D
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As an Albertan, I don't really care if the Habs win or lose. Part of me doesn't want them to win just so we don't have to hear form Habs fans about how no other canadian team can win except the Habs. Honestly though, I'd rather them win than the Flames, Leafs, or Canucks, in that order.
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As an Islander fan, during the lean years of the 2000s, I remember Habs fans scooping up dirt cheap discount Isles tickets and descending on the coliseum in busloads. At times, they actually outnumbered the isles fans in the building, cheering and serenading in French. It was galling to some of the die hards. In the end, I realized it was a great excuse for Canadians to make a road trip to NYC without having to pay for exorbitantly priced Rangers tix at corporate-dominated MSG.
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In the end, I realized it was a great excuse for Canadians to make a road trip to NYC without having to pay for exorbitantly priced Rangers tix at corporate-dominated MSG.
Or for Bostonians to do the same thing. That's why we went last year. For the price of four tickets at the Garden (the Boston one..), we were able to see them on Long Island, AND pay for a night at the Hampton Inn. Plus, spend a nice Sunday afternoon in the city..
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That's why it's nice to have Sabres seasons tickets. I'd never spend my own coin to go see a game at the Scotiabank Arena. My company has a box there, so I did see 2 or 3 games a couple years back.
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As you might expect, the Kings have always drawn a fair number of visiting fans. It was particularly obnoxious in the 2000s when, for the most part, the Kings were awful. At game 4 of the 2000 playoffs, some asshole Red Wings fan made a piss poor effort to chuck an octopus on the ice and it (or part of it) hit me instead. Had I been able to figure out who did it, I'd have done some serious violence. I despised the Wings for the next 10-15 years as a result. Anyway...
In 2010, I went to a Kings v. Habs game. We were in the lower bowl, and directly above us, in the upper bowl, was a large contingent of Habs fans. This was not long after Canada had beaten the U.S. in the Gold Medal game at the Vancouver Olympics. As a result, and instead of getting choruses of whatever Habs fans normally chant, we got, "SILver MEdal...SILver MEdal...SILver MEdal!" Yeah...seriously. I really wished I had had some way of communicating to these dumbasses that, at that time, the Kings actually had more Canadian players than did the Canadiens. Oh well...
Nonetheless, I would have no problems with the Habs winning the Cup.
BY THE WAY...
How will they decide who gets the Clarence Campbell Bowl and who gets the Prince of Wales Trophy?
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In the end, I realized it was a great excuse for Canadians to make a road trip to NYC without having to pay for exorbitantly priced Rangers tix at corporate-dominated MSG.
Or for Bostonians to do the same thing. That's why we went last year. For the price of four tickets at the Garden (the Boston one..), we were able to see them on Long Island, AND pay for a night at the Hampton Inn. Plus, spend a nice Sunday afternoon in the city..
Nice. Can’t beat that.
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Bottom line is....you have to play the games and execute. Things happen in the game for both teams and it's how you respond that matters. And Vegas has responded in kind every since that weak penalty call on them that gave the AVs the PP and essentially the win in Game 2. It's been impressive.
Vegas looks like a scrappy team. They just keep fighting and fighting. The Avs look like a fighter that doesn't know quite how to react when they get punched hard. A bit of a frontrunner. We'll see how they react tomorrow night when facing elimination.
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I know the Avs are capable of pushing to get a series to 7. They did it in 2019 against the Sharks before losing the series and they were down 3-1 against the Stars last year (with an Avs roster that was pretty darn injured). We'll see on how they respond against this legit Vegas team.
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In 2010, I went to a Kings v. Habs game. We were in the lower bowl, and directly above us, in the upper bowl, was a large contingent of Habs fans. This was not long after Canada had beaten the U.S. in the Gold Medal game at the Vancouver Olympics. As a result, and instead of getting choruses of whatever Habs fans normally chant, we got, "SILver MEdal...SILver MEdal...SILver MEdal!" Yeah...seriously. I really wished I had had some way of communicating to these dumbasses that, at that time, the Kings actually had more Canadian players than did the Canadiens. Oh well...
It was absolutely savage when Jets fans did it specifically to Ryan Miller (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbVgp7aip3w). Ooof.
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Whelp. T minus 10 minutes.
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Oof.
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Sorry, Joe and Tim, but as a hockey fan, I am marveling at this game. That crowd is so wound up and loud, and it's a reminder of how great it is to have fans at the games again. Boston crowd was the same way in the 3rd period the other night.
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They are winning in every facet of this game. Just got to tip the hat.
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What can you say...Barry Trotz :hefdaddy
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No shots in 13 minutes for the B's. The Isles were smothering.
Tip of the hat to them.
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That shift with about 2 and change left told the tale of that 3rd period. They played keep-away with the puck for a good 40 seconds.
Islanders/Lightning should be great.
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GO Isles!!!
(https://i.imgur.com/xf1dNhI.jpg)
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Nice pics Tim!
The oldest arena in the NHL. Rock the Barn!!
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It’s frightening to think what the Bruins might’ve looked like had they not passed on Matt Barzal... THREE STRAIGHT TIMES.
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It’s frightening to think what the Bruins might’ve looked like had they not passed on Matt Barzal... THREE STRAIGHT TIMES.
And Beauvillier!
The three pick AFTER the Bruins' three picks?
Matt Barzal
Kyle Connor
Thomas Chabot
Not to mention Joel Erikson Ek, Brock Boeser, or Travis Konecny.
They did get Brandon Carlo in the second round though and he was a good pick. Jeremy Lauzon too, who finally found regular playing time this season.
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Barry Trotz is probably without question the best coach of the last 5 years, maybe more. THAT is how you defend a lead. Now, can they do it against the $98M Tampa Bay Lightning.
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Jebus, nicely done, Golden Knights. I was rooting for that series to go to 7. The travel for Montreal/Vegas is going to be harsh.
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Bye bye to Kroenke's team. :tup :tup
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Let’s Go Vegas!!!
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The semis will be Bruins/Avs and Leafs/Bolts.
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That's why they play the games.
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The semis will be Bruins/Avs and Leafs/Bolts.
(https://i.imgur.com/IiHihPv.gif?noredirect)
:rollin :rollin :rollin
Maxwell Smart FTW!!
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Petro with the game winner as well. I'm enjoying the fact that he's playing incredibly well right now, I like it as a little F U to the Blues and particularly Armstrong...... I really wish there had been a way for him to remain a Blue and retire with them, but there was no way they could have pulled the trigger on that contract he wanted. He's 'worth' every penny right now and maybe for the next two....three years.....but man, that's a brutal contract past that point.
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^^ Well, if Vegas wins the cup now, they don't really care about how bad Petro's contract will be 3-4 years later. It's just a big price to pay to get to the top. Winning cups can soften a lot of blows to bad contracts down the line or justify giving out big contracts (which turned out to be bad years later) to certain players after they win it (which is something cup-winning GMs probably should avoid, but it's hard to say).
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People have short memories. If/when the team is hobbled because of this contract in its final two/three years, he and the management will surely take a beating. It's not like he's the second coming of Nik Lidstrom. That's the only way I see him and management not under a microscope in 3-4 years.
Chicago and LA sure aren't terribly happy with their 'bad' contracts (Toews/Kane/Keith; Kopitar/Doughty - sure they're all still top players and largely producing, but they've done squat in the playoffs since winning). Leafs fans are already questioning their three massive contracts, AND THAT TEAM HASN'T WON JACK SHIT!!!
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Yeah jingle, Marner getting paid center money as a winger is ridiculous.
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Yeah jingle, Marner getting paid center money as a winger is ridiculous.
I'm not so stuffed about that, but tying up almost 1/2 the cap in four guys - ALL AT FORWARD - is what's killing them, and will continue to kill them. With only $40M for the remaining 19 players, the only thing they can afford for the rest of the forwards is a couple of decent $3M-$4M guys, and then a bunch of league-minimum contracts - which means one of three things - A) young kids still on ELCs, and hoping they can step up; B) old fuck's that have already made their money, and hope they can keep up; C) players that should not be NHL starters. They'll never be able to afford a Top 15 / stud defenceman, and have to hope they can fill a goaltending tandem for under $5M combined.
I said it when it happened, there was no need to sign Tavares with the talent they already had in Matthews/Marner/Nylander. JT's best years are behind him, and the Leafs are paying him like he's still got a few 100-point and/or 50-goal seasons in him. Spoiler alert - he doesn't.
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I said it when it happened, there was no need to sign Tavares with the talent they already had in Matthews/Marner/Nylander. JT's best years are behind him, and the Leafs are paying him like he's still got a few 100-point and/or 50-goal seasons in him. Spoiler alert - he doesn't.
I thought the same thing when it happened.
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Petro with the game winner as well. I'm enjoying the fact that he's playing incredibly well right now, I like it as a little F U to the Blues and particularly Armstrong...... I really wish there had been a way for him to remain a Blue and retire with them, but there was no way they could have pulled the trigger on that contract he wanted. He's 'worth' every penny right now and maybe for the next two....three years.....but man, that's a brutal contract past that point.
I totally get this, and I think last year I was on the "do not pay Petro that much money" bandwagon, but in hindsight it now feels like letting him go slammed their Stanley Cup window shut. Gotta take advantage of chances to win it all when they are there, and they now seem light years away from being good enough to actually make a run any time soon and win it again.
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This post is in no way meant to needle Joe and Tim (honest!!), but two years ago today, the Blues won their first Stanley Cup!!! :coolio :coolio
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This post is in no way meant to needle Joe and Tim (honest!!), but two years ago today, the Blues won their first Stanley Cup!!! :coolio :coolio
Let’s be honest here, between the Celtics, Red Sox, and Patriots, the sports gods have been pretty kind to Boston sports fans in the 21st century. Throw in three Cup Finals appearances with one win for the Bruins, and I don’t think there’s anything to complain about if you’re a fan of Boston sports.
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This post is in no way meant to needle Joe and Tim (honest!!), but two years ago today, the Blues won their first Stanley Cup!!! :coolio :coolio
Let’s be honest here, between the Celtics, Red Sox, and Patriots, the sports gods have been pretty kind to Boston sports fans in the 21st century. Throw in three Cup Finals appearances with one win for the Bruins, and I don’t think there’s anything to complain about if you’re a fan of Boston sports.
True. but Joe and Tim are good guys, and I don't want them to think I am rubbing their noses in this since the Blues win came over the Bruins. I am just celebrating the anniversary! :metal :metal
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This post is in no way meant to needle Joe and Tim (honest!!), but two years ago today, the Blues won their first Stanley Cup!!! :coolio :coolio
:metal What a fun couple months that was!
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This post is in no way meant to needle Joe and Tim (honest!!), but two years ago today, the Blues won their first Stanley Cup!!! :coolio :coolio
:metal What a fun couple months that was!
Fun, stressful, yeah. :lol :lol :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Well, found another Youtube video from Urinatingtree about more hockey history. This one involving the Expansion Draft of the Senators in 1992 which is timely given the upcoming Seattle Draft. Expansion rules back then were different and the price to pay to get a team was a hella lot smaller as well. $45 million compared to like the $500+ million that Vegas and Seattle paid for their teams. On top of that, holy crap, did the Senators screw up how they drafted that day. Apparently, they stored their notes on a early version laptop and did not charge the battery or found an outlet to charge it or had any hard copies of those notes. As a result, they ended up picking players that were not eligible to be drafted to the Senators for various reasons and had to repick which involved the GM saying "Ottawa apologizes." As a result, naturally, they had the worst season in the league, winning only 10 games and letting in almost an average of 5 goals a game.
The Tampa Bay Lightning was also born that year along with the Senators and they weren't as craptastic (but still had the struggles of an expansion team back in the 90s). It's funny on the paths that those two teams have despite being created at the same time. The Bolts would have their two cups and in the hunt of a 3rd one now, while the Senators are nowhere near that hunt and had like two great years of deep playoff runs in history.
Heritage: The 1992 Ottawa Senators Expansion Draft
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pJeLCQCxUY)
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This post is in no way meant to needle Joe and Tim (honest!!), but two years ago today, the Blues won their first Stanley Cup!!! :coolio :coolio
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/6dfb6c4235f9eedfd16afba2eb8bc272/tenor.gif?itemid=18571252)
Losing in the Stanley Cup Finals will make you appreciate every previous early round exit. :lol
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Watching tonight's game with my fiance and heard Pierre say something to the effect of: "DeBoer has so much experience in the playoffs".
I immediately said: "Yeah, but most of that experience is choking with the Sharks, peak DeBoer would be beating the Avs in 6 only to lose to the Canadiens in 5."
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This post is in no way meant to needle Joe and Tim (honest!!), but two years ago today, the Blues won their first Stanley Cup!!! :coolio :coolio
I'm more hurt you don't like Lawrence Gowan. :lol
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Who in the hell is Lawrence Gowen?
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That man masquerading as Dennis DeYoung in the current incarnation known as Styx. :P
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That man masquerading as Dennis DeYoung in the current incarnation known as Styx. :P
:lol
See! Kev cuts to the bone. LOLOL
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Montreal Canadiens head coach tested positive for Covid-19, wtf :facepalm:
https://www.tsn.ca/montreal-canadiens-dominique-ducharme-covid-19-game-3-1.1656737
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What an absolutely horrible muff by the future HOF goalie! Go Habs!!!
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Fleury turning into Osgood in these playoffs, letting in some horrid goals.
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Holy f***. Fleury flubbed his end that led to the tying goal. Then there was a no-call even though Corey Perry clearly got high-sticked and was clearly busted. Then the Habs got the winning goal. Jebus.
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Wait, the refs can look at an OT goal after the fact to see if a puck was knocked down by a high stick, but they couldn't look at the OT goal two years ago to see if the Sharks made an illegal hand pass in the offensive zone that led to the winning goal? :lol :lol :lol
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Wait, the refs can look at an OT goal after the fact to see if a puck was knocked down by a high stick, but they couldn't look at the OT goal two years ago to see if the Sharks made an illegal hand pass in the offensive zone that led to the winning goal? :lol :lol :lol
(https://confessionsofabookgeek.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/judge-judy-get-over-it-gif.gif)
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Wow, what an incredible finish tonight.
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I'm curious, my twitter and facebook bubble of french canadians are all screaming at the officials tonight(even though the Habs are leading 1-0 at the moment), what's the american perspective?
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I'm curious, my twitter and facebook bubble of french canadians are all screaming at the officials tonight(even though the Habs are leading 1-0 at the moment), what's the american perspective?
That they're always screaming at the officials.
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Looks like the refs are letting them play, but I know that Habs fans are out of their minds thinking there is a conspiracy to tilt the calls in favor of Vegas, but I think it's just a combination of incompetence (like missing that slash to the face in OT of the last game) and letting a lot go.
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Despite what's going on with the refs and whatever, I'm thoroughly enjoying both series.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/minnesota-wild-assistant-gm-tom-kurvers-former-hockey-great-dies-of-lung-cancer-at-58/ar-AALhr8k?li=BB15ms5q
Wow. Damn.
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Awards finalists are coming out now. Vasilevskiy, Grubauer, and Fleury for the Vezina. No surprise there. I'd give it to Grubauer.
My predictions:
Hart - McDavid, Matthews, Rantanen
Norris - Fox, Makar, Hamilton
Adams - Quennville, Brind'Amour, Evason
Calder - Kaprizov, Robertson, Nedeljkovic
Selke - Eriksson Ek, Markus Foligno, O'Reilly
Nailed the Adams. Not so much on the Calder or Selke. We'll see about the other three.
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Huh? Those were the 3 Calder finalists, and I got 2/3 for the Norris (missed Headman over Hamilton). Selke... I was way off. I don't see that they've announced the Calder winner yet.
I hope that pounding that Tampa laid on the Isles last night doesn't come back to haunt them.
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Never mind...my bad. I was looking at the wrong year for the Calder (and was only looking at the winner). Calder winner hasn't been announced yet, so I'll go sit in the corner and think about what I've done.
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No clue why Vegas keeps swapping their goalies, but I can't help but wonder if that has affected the team's psyche. They should not be losing to this Montreal team.
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No clue why Vegas keeps swapping their goalies, but I can't help but wonder if that has affected the team's psyche. They should not be losing to this Montreal team.
Said every Winnipeg and Toronto player, coach and fan.
As Babs would constantly say, will beats skill.
But yeah... why they went away from Lehner baffles me.
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I would think that Vegas thought what happened in Game 3 with Fleury was a rare mental lapse and think after resting him for four days, he would be fine. Although, if the guy that came in on Game 4 won and made solid saves, you would think they would ride that wave on Game 5. Now they put themselves in this tough decision in an elimination game.
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Guess the North wasn't such a weak-ass division after all, eh?
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Guess the North wasn't such a weak-ass division after all, eh?
It was. Just because the Habs make the Finals don't talk yourself into this. The Habs are playing confidently with a hot goalie.
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Guess the North wasn't such a weak-ass division after all, eh?
It was. Just because the Habs make the Finals don't talk yourself into this. The Habs are playing confidently with a hot goalie.
In a normal year Montreal wouldn’t have even MADE the playoffs with their record. They were the 18th best team in the league this year with the Rangers and Stars posting better records, but because of the temporary realignment and playoff format along with Vancouver, Calgary, and Ottawa shitting the bed, they snuck in and took advantage of Toronto continuing to be master choke artists and Winnipeg forgetting how to play hockey. Make no mistake about it. The Canadiens lucked their way into the semifinals, and now with momentum on their side and Vegas’ bad game time decision making, they may luck their way into the finals as well.
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I would think that Vegas thought what happened in Game 3 with Fleury was a rare mental lapse and think after resting him for four days, he would be fine. Although, if the guy that came in on Game 4 won and made solid saves, you would think they would ride that wave on Game 5. Now they put themselves in this tough decision in an elimination game.
This...for sure.
And the game 6 elimination game is on the road, which makes things even more difficult.
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tomorrow home game for the Habs and in case you guys don’t know, june 24th is the St-Jean-Baptiste, Quebec’s national holiday. Fever pitch would be an understatement
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Guess the North wasn't such a weak-ass division after all, eh?
It was. Just because the Habs make the Finals don't talk yourself into this. The Habs are playing confidently with a hot goalie.
I guess I'm not going to conflate a team's performance in the regular season vs the playoffs as a measure of strength or weakness. Just because the Habs did not perform like the Leafs/Avs/Knights throughout the regular season doesn't make them a weak team. They're performing when it counts*. To me, that's a better indicator of strength than winning the President's Trophy. Additionally, at the moment at least, the Leafs are the only one of the three teams that have looked like they could/should have beaten Montreal.
Don't forget your team played in the division with the Sabres and Devils and Carter Hart.
We'll just agree to disagree.
* In the reg season, Mtl had 11 OTL's. In the playoffs, they're 4-1 in playoff OT.
@ TheCount. So what? You play the hand that was dealt (ie, division format - and Dallas' position is irrelevant either way - they're in different conferences). Look, I'm no Habs fan, and I'm very conflicted about whether I want to see them in the finals or not. But don't dismiss their performance as a result of convenient circumstances handed to them by the league or their opponents. I'm just saying that if Montreal - as the 18th ranked team - is outclassing the supposed "better" teams than them, to me that validates that the North wasn't exactly filled with pushovers.
Not trying to convince anyone of anything (which I'm clearly not going to do even if I was trying)... just my opinion as someone who probably watched more North games than most here.
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I'm with Chad on this. While the re-alignment and all the uniqueness of this season certainly helped the Canadians......it doesn't change the fact that they're playing like a well oiled machine right now. They're doing what Championship caliber teams do.....they're playing unselfish hockey with a 'team' mindset and have a goalie that is in a 'zone' right now. They've taken advantage of the situation and are going all in on this shot. It's great to see.
I don't consider that Covid tournament a 'real' Stanley Cup Post Season because of how ridiculous it was but what I believe doesn't matter. TB won the Stanley Cup last year. The uniqueness of this season and the special re-alignment was set in place before the games were played. There was always going to be a team that "shouldn't" have made the playoffs that made the playoffs and there was always going to be a couple of teams that didn't make the playoffs that were 'better' than couple that did.
You still have to play the games and execute. You cannot deny what the Canadians are doing right now or that they don't 'deserve' to be there. The rules are the rules and they didn't break any to get where they're at....they've only just kept winning the games they need to win.
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I'm with Chad on this. While the re-alignment and all the uniqueness of this season certainly helped the Canadians......it doesn't change the fact that they're playing like a well oiled machine right now.
:huh:
The fact that the Habs are "going on a run" does not in any way validate Chad's opinion that the North Division was a tough division. Competitive, sure, but it was the weakest division, easily.
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I'm with Chad on this. While the re-alignment and all the uniqueness of this season certainly helped the Canadians......it doesn't change the fact that they're playing like a well oiled machine right now.
:huh:
The fact that the Habs are "going on a run" does not in any way validate Chad's opinion that the North Division was a tough division. Competitive, sure, but it was the weakest division, easily.
I wasn’t looking to bolster that specific point. The point is that it’s no fault of the Canadians what division they were in. Let’s say it was the weakest for arguments sake. Oh well? That was just the way it was this season due to the uniqueness of it.
In a normal year they’re not even sniffing the playoffs but it’s not their fault they were in a ‘weak’ division.
None of that matters. The old saying of ‘just make the playoffs and see what happens’ applies here. They made it…..and they’re performing. Period. Gotta play the games and they’ve hit a groove and have gained the level of confidence and swagger that’s needed to win it all.
They may not win it all but what division they played in means nothing because it’s not like they paid a fee to get into it. It was what it was and that’s that.
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Well I agree with that, but Chad's point was about the strength of the North, so that's why I was confused when you said you agreed with him.
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Well, even if I’m on my own, I’ll still stand by the fact that EVERY division had their haves, and have nots. Was Carolina really that good when Tampa easily cruised thru them? Are the Knights REALLY that good when the Wild take them to 7, and they’ll need that much to get past the Habs? I made my case a few pages back about the shit kickers in every division.
I’m just saying the Habs playoff performance doesn’t jive with the notion that the North was the “weakest”. Even if I’m the only one sayin it (which I clearly am).
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Well, even if I’m on my own, I’ll still stand by the fact that EVERY division had their haves, and have nots. Was Carolina really that good when Tampa easily cruised thru them? Are the Knights REALLY that good when the Wild take them to 7, and they’ll need that much to get past the Habs? I made my case a few pages back about the shit kickers in every division.
I’m just saying the Habs playoff performance doesn’t jive with the notion that the North was the “weakest”. Even if I’m the only one sayin it (which I clearly am).
jingle representing for the north 👍
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We got at least one game 7, baby. I'm sure Tampa fans are thrilled with that.....
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Great finish in OT, although there should be a new rule that a playoff OT game cannot end that quickly. :lol
Islanders fans went full brain dead immediately after. :tdwn :tdwn
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Great finish in OT, although there should be a new rule that a playoff OT game cannot end that quickly. :lol
Islanders fans went full brain dead immediately after. :tdwn :tdwn
Bolded part does not compute. :lol
And I agree... If I'm gonna stay be up an hour or so past when I should be getting my shut-eye, I want it to be worth it, dammit!! These under-2min OTs are somewhat anti-climactic.
I think it'll be poetic justice if Kuch can't go tomorrow, and TB loses. I'm kinda pulling for the Isles now.
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Interesting hire for the Kraken's coach..
Dave Hakstol??
https://www.tsn.ca/seattle-kraken-dave-hakstol-head-coach-1.1659582
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Interesting hire for the Kraken's coach..
Dave Hakstol??
https://www.tsn.ca/seattle-kraken-dave-hakstol-head-coach-1.1659582
Yeah. I don’t know enough about the guy but just watched an interview with him on NHL network. From what they’re saying he’s very ‘analytical’
Who knows what they were going for. Seems like a pretty tame personality and someone who’s easily to move on from should a bigger name become available.
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go Habs go ;D
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Watching tonight's game with my fiance and heard Pierre say something to the effect of: "DeBoer has so much experience in the playoffs".
I immediately said: "Yeah, but most of that experience is choking with the Sharks, peak DeBoer would be beating the Avs in 6 only to lose to the Canadiens in 5."
Close enough. JFC.
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The worst playoff team, from the worst division, makes the finals. Yay for the unpredictability of the Stanley Cup playoffs! :tup :tup
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WOOT. Les Canadiens has made it. So long, Golden Knights. Don't know what the heck you do in this off-season. That was a pretty fast OT. It was all Golden Knights until like 15 seconds until the end of the OT.
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holy shit they did it!! Last time the Canadiens were in the Stanley Cup finals I was riding my bike to go trade hockey cards with my friends.
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That was awesome. Good for the Canadians! Would love to see them win it all.
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Islanders/Montreal would give me flashbacks to being a kid since I got into hockey in the early 80's when the Islanders dynasty was destroying the league and the Canadiens had won a bunch right before that and were still considered hockey royalty.
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holy shit they did it!! Last time the Canadiens were in the Stanley Cup finals I was riding my bike to go trade hockey cards with my friends.
The last time the Canadiens was in the Cup finals, I wasn't even one and Gretzky was the captain to the Kings. I'm sure Jingle doesn't want to talk about that part about the '93 Kings.
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I don’t really follow the NHL but I’m just checking in to say I went to high school with Canadiens super rookie Cole Caufields mom.
As you were.
Go Montreal!
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The worst playoff team, from the worst division, makes the finals. Yay for the unpredictability of the Stanley Cup playoffs! :tup :tup
You may want to try and reconcile your definition of “worst” with the reality of what’s actually happening. :P
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^^ All right, the team that many people gave them no chances to win any rounds have made it to the cup finals. Am I closer?
Here's a video of people outside the Bell Centre when the winning goal happened. Just put aside social distancing for a while and just let those people have their moment. It rarely happens for some fans. That city is going to be awake for a while and it's almost midnight there.
Canadiens Fans React To Artturi Lehkonen’s Overtime Winner Outside The Bell Centre
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOq5xPau8lY)
I hope these people are ready though.
Game 6: Montreal riot squad ready in case things get out of hand (https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/game-6-montreal-riot-squad-ready-in-case-things-get-out-of-hand)
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Montreal had the worst record of any playoff team and the 18th best record overall, so I am comfortable saying they were the worst team of the playoff teams heading into the postseason. Now, given the nature of how this season was played, where you only played teams from your own division, the worst teams in the Canadian division being better than the worst teams in the other divisions was a factor, but I just remember the chatter heading into the playoffs of what teams had the best chance to win it all and it seems like that division was the only one where no team was mentioned, although the McDavid factor did make some think the Oilers had a shot. Montreal's awesome run to the finals doesn't magically mean they were better than they showed in the regular season; it just shows that they got hot at the right time, which, again, is what is awesome about the SC playoffs, as any team has a chance. Well, except the Maple Leafs. :lol :lol
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it just shows that they got hot at the right time, which, again, is what is awesome about the SC playoffs, as any team has a chance. Well, except the Maple Leafs. :lol :lol
Again, it's the whole adage that 'just get in....just make it to the playoffs and anything can happen'. They're living that adage right now. I won't even say they 'got hot'. They remind me of the Red Sox back in what was that....04' or whatever? No one gave them a chance and they were down 3-0 and just said :censored it. Ignored everyone else and just started playing for one another.
I see the Canadians as just flipping everyone off and laying it out on the line for one another. 20 average guys going all in for one another is WAY more enticing as a coach than 20 superstars trying to win games as individuals.
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They are suffocating with their speed right now. If you touch the puck, their are on you.
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Montreal had the worst record of any playoff team and the 18th best record overall, so I am comfortable saying they were the worst team of the playoff teams heading into the postseason. Now, given the nature of how this season was played, where you only played teams from your own division, the worst teams in the Canadian division being better than the worst teams in the other divisions was a factor, but I just remember the chatter heading into the playoffs of what teams had the best chance to win it all and it seems like that division was the only one where no team was mentioned, although the McDavid factor did make some think the Oilers had a shot. Montreal's awesome run to the finals doesn't magically mean they were better than they showed in the regular season; it just shows that they got hot at the right time, which, again, is what is awesome about the SC playoffs, as any team has a chance. Well, except the Maple Leafs. :lol :lol
All fair comments, under the assumption that one must separate the regular and post season when looking at "best" and "worst". I don't. Yes, from a points perspective the Habs had the "worst" of the 16 playoff teams as measured through the 56-game regular season. If that's what you (royal) want your measurement of best vs worst, have at it. I'm sure all of eliminated #1 and #2 ranked teams have been going to bed the past couple of weeks with the satisfaction they were the "best" in the regular season. I'm not separating performance and output of the regular season vs post season. As such, I can't come to the quick and absolute conclusion that the North was the "worst", and the Habs were the "worst" team out of that Division. That's just me.
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Also, just gotta say that Caufield's goal last night was fucking sick.
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Also, just gotta say that Caufield's goal last night was fucking sick.
Was that Montreal's second goal? Rushing in and roofed it over the shoulder?
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WOOT. Les Canadiens has made it. So long, Golden Knights. Don't know what the heck you do in this off-season. That was a pretty fast OT. It was all Golden Knights until like 15 seconds until the end of the OT.
DAMNIT!!! I was switching between the hockey game, the Dodgers game and the Clippers game. I was watching one of the last two during the OT intermission and, by the time I switched back to the hockey game, it was over. Ugh....
But yay for the Habs!! They remind me a little bit of the 2012 Kings (not stylistically, but in terms of being a huge underdog).
holy shit they did it!! Last time the Canadiens were in the Stanley Cup finals I was riding my bike to go trade hockey cards with my friends.
The last time the Canadiens was in the Cup finals, I wasn't even one and Gretzky was the captain to the Kings. I'm sure Jingle doesn't want to talk about that part about the '93 Kings.
That was, I think, my third season following hockey. A MASSIVELY painful game 2 in the SCF. Kings poised to go up 2-0 on the road and then massive stupidity with 1:45 left gives the Habs a last minute power play (and a 6-4 advantage with the goalie pulled). Habs tie it and win it less than a minute into OT, and the Kings wouldn't win another playoff game until 2001.
A friend of mine was so very conflicted about this series. Didn't want Vegas to win, but she is under the delusion that Montreal did something nefarious in connection with the illegal stick penalty. I blame McSorley (and, secondarily, the Kings' equipment manager), but she buys into all the conspiracy crap about the Habs sending someone into the Kings' locker room between games 1-2, blah, blah, blah.... In any event, she even goes so far that she doesn't want any of the Canadian teams to win.
If the Islanders win tonight, I'll be pulling for them to win it all, but I'll root for the Habs over the Lightning, which will piss my friend off. :biggrin:
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Also, just gotta say that Caufield's goal last night was fucking sick.
Was that Montreal's second goal? Rushing in and roofed it over the shoulder?
Yup
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Also, just gotta say that Caufield's goal last night was fucking sick.
Was that Montreal's second goal? Rushing in and roofed it over the shoulder?
Yup
I turned the game on and a minute later I saw that goal. It was nasty.
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Well, it's official. Tampa Bay vs Montreal. I'm not going to make a guess on who wins this, but I will say, Montreal has a huge challenge ahead of them. They were able to shut down key players in all of their series wins, but I don't know how they can shut down Stamkos, Kucherov, Point, etc. enough and I don't know how they can score enough on Vasilevskiy. Islanders didn't really put much of a fight in the 3rd being down 1-0 in a game 7. We'll see how it goes starting on Monday.
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I cannot believe I have to root for the Canadiens. I am not happy.
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^^ This is like one of your worst nightmare matchup, right now. And they are all going to be back in the same division next season, man.
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Rooting for the Canadiens is like asking someone to put on a Winger CD.
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Once Vegas went down there wasn’t a single team left that I like, but I cannot stress enough how happy I am that the Islanders are done.
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I cannot believe I have to root for the Canadiens. I am not happy.
Cmon us Lightning people aren't that bad, plus Winger rulzzz!!
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Even though I'm moving from Long Island to Tampa next year, I can't bring myself to like the Bolts. So I don't know who I'll be cheering for. Kucherov, as unbelievably talented as he is, is my most-hated player. Maybe when I actually watch the games, I'll feel a pull one way or the other.
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I'd like to see Maroon hoist the Cup again, so I guess I am rooting for the Lightning. As great as the Canadiens run has been, I'd rather not see the team that had the 18th best record in the regular season win the Cup.
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As great as the Canadiens run has been, I'd rather not see the team that had the 18th best record in the regular season win the Cup.
you don’t need to make up a reason :P it’s ok to irrationally hate a sports team.
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I don't see what this 18th best record nonsense has to do with anything. Heck, this isn't even the first time Montreal has punched above their weight class. When they made it to the 2010 Eastern conference finals, they had the 19th best record in the league that year.
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I don't see what this 18th best record nonsense has to do with anything. Heck, this isn't even the first time Montreal has punched above their weight class. When they made it to the 2010 Eastern conference finals, they had the 19th best record in the league that year.
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And the only team that could beat them was the team with the 18th best record. :lol
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Just read heartbreaking news that David Pasternak's 6 Day old son died. :'( There was no cause revealed in the article but nonetheless.....how utterly devastating and heartbreaking. 'We' look at these sports figures as other worldly for the things they can do on the ice/field/court.....and easily forget they're just people living their lives as well...experiencing life as it comes like the rest of us.
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Just read heartbreaking news that David Pasternak's 6 Day old son died. :'( There was no cause revealed in the article but nonetheless.....how utterly devastating and heartbreaking. 'We' look at these sports figures as other worldly for the things they can do on the ice/field/court.....and easily forget they're just people living their lives as well...experiencing life as it comes like the rest of us.
That’s awful news.
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I can't even imagine what him and his significant other is going through right now.
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That was just devastating news to hear. Definitely shed a few tears when I heard the news.
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What the fuck? JFC... I'm just empty now. That's fucking terrible.
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I saw this this morning. It's awful. And there's no more further news locally.
Pasta's father died when he was very young, like maybe 6 or something.
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Saw that on Twitter a bit ago. Just awful. I can't even imagine. :( :(
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not off to great start for the Habs. Tampa's not gonna give that Stanley Cup away, clearly
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Awesome job by Tom Brady last night in inspiring a team from another sport in his current city to victory. :coolio
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Awesome job by Tom Brady last night in inspiring a team from another sport in his current city to victory. :coolio
:lol
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I think the Canadians have met their match. What TB has that the other ‘better’ teams didn’t is the confidence of being a Champion. I don’t see how Montreal wins more than one game as its going to take a perfect game by them to beat TB.
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Awesome job by Tom Brady last night in inspiring a team from another sport in his current city to victory. :coolio
Don’t forget, he also got the Rays to the WS.
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Yep, the Bolts looks like a team that's well-oiled in a lot of ways that it's going to be really tough for them to go off balance at the worst times. Don't think the Habs can give the Bolts enough problems that will cause them to go off-balance and I don't see the Habs being able to capitalized on that like they did with their series with the Leafs and Golden Knights. We'll see.
I didn't think Bolts was able to be cap compliant and still be good given that they had to resign a few RFAs in the off-season, but that Kucherov injury gave them a window (which in turn leads them being about $18 million overcap when the post-season begins.....) to go back-to-back and here we are now. They will have their days of cap hell to think about in this off-season where they will have to make some tough decisions given that they would be $5 million over the cap starting this off-season, but for them, now's not the time to focus on that.
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Yeah, kinda hard to beat a $98M team. It'll be interesting to see if the Cdns can bounce back like they did after losing 5-0 to the Leafs, or like the Isles did after their 8-0 whipping.
I think it's more likely the case that they are spent after 3 rounds of punching above their weight class. Time will tell.
As for the Bolts, doesn't cap hell begin pretty quick? Between needing to be compliant for the expansion draft, and I think the rule is that teams can only be 10% above the cap in the off-season, they'll have to make some significant moves pdq, no?
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^^ Well, according to CapFriendly, they will have 19 players signed on their main roster at $86,566,666 ($5 million over the cap) when the off-season begins. Therefore, they would be below the 10% threshold above the cap in the offsesaon, but have to make some trimmings to get below the $81.5 million when the season starts (unless they magically find a way to determine that another one of their big contracts has to sit out for the season due to surgery/injuries, but will be fine for the playoffs). Don't think they can use LTIR to their fullest benefits next season where it would be a full 82 season as oppose to this year's 56.
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Right, and they can only protect six forwards and four D (plus Vasilevsky). So, which of Gourde/Cirelli/Johnson/Killorn do they want to lose to expansion? Better to trade (if they can) and get something in return if they have to trade one or more of them anyway. Are they just going to walk away from Coleman and Goodrow (UFA's). I think they may have to get away from one of their big contracts on defence too. Though, McDonagh's got NTC.
They sure are benefitting from Kuch's year long injury/recovery, and this team will look DRASTICALLY different next year.
Brisbrois is gonna be the 2nd hardest working GM this off-season.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/sean-mcdonough-to-lead-espn-s-nhl-coverage-as-play-by-play-announcer-when-seven-year-deal-begins/ar-AALAODe?ocid=hplocalnews
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^^ Other names from that article to look at regarding reporters/analyst.
ESPN’s diverse group of commentators include NHL legends Mark Messier and Chris Chelios, former US women’s hockey Olympic gold medalist and Nantucket native A.J. Mleczko, Ray Ferraro, Brian Boucher, Cassie Campbell-Pascall, Kevin Weekes, Ryan Callahan, Rick DiPietro, Hilary Knight, and longtime ESPN analyst Barry Melrose.
Reporters include Blake Bolden, Emily Kaplan, and Greg Wyshynski. Linda Cohn will continue to host In the Crease, the signature nightly hockey program on ESPN+, during the NHL season.
Kenneth Garay and Eitán Benezra will handle play-by-play on ESPN Deportes, with Carlos Rossell and Antonio Valle contributing analysis.
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^^ Other names from that article to look at regarding reporters/analyst.
ESPN’s diverse group of commentators include NHL legends Mark Messier and Chris Chelios, former US women’s hockey Olympic gold medalist and Nantucket native A.J. Mleczko, Ray Ferraro, Brian Boucher, Cassie Campbell-Pascall, Kevin Weekes, Ryan Callahan, Rick DiPietro, Hilary Knight, and longtime ESPN analyst Barry Melrose.
Reporters include Blake Bolden, Emily Kaplan, and Greg Wyshynski. Linda Cohn will continue to host In the Crease, the signature nightly hockey program on ESPN+, during the NHL season.
Kenneth Garay and Eitán Benezra will handle play-by-play on ESPN Deportes, with Carlos Rossell and Antonio Valle contributing analysis.
And not a Pierre McGuire to be found on that list. Praise be.
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Oilers & RNH agree to 8@41m.
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Oilers & RNH agree to 8@41m.
It was the talk of town this morning. A little long, but that cap hit is gravy. He's easily worth $5M per season
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Oilers & RNH agree to 8@41m.
It was the talk of town this morning. A little long, but that cap hit is gravy. He's easily worth $5M per season
Yeah, that's a great AAV.
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Oilers & RNH agree to 8@41m.
It was the talk of town this morning. A little long, but that cap hit is gravy. He's easily worth $5M per season
That's a pretty team friendly deal. And for the kind of player he is / will be, $5.1 for a 34/35 year old isn't going to be (terribly) painful, because in 8 years, one would like to think the cap would be at least in the $90s if not over $100. Oilers and fans should be thrilled with that contract.
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Meanwhile, the legend that is Carl Gunnarsson retired last week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTTPkiZ91CU (Bruins fans, do not click on this)
Easily one of the two most important OT goals in Blues playoff history. :hat :hat
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Meanwhile, the legend that is Carl Gunnarsson retired last week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTTPkiZ91CU (Bruins fans, do not click on this)
Easily one of the two most important OT goals in Blues playoff history. :hat :hat
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edMncrowc8g
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Not even gonna open it.
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Not even gonna open it.
No, no, you will like that one, I swear. It is my peace offering. :)
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No way, you're the devil man. :lol
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I've clicked the link. It's all good for you, TAC. Not good to watch for Jingle though.
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Let me guess.."Bergeron Bergeron Bergeron"..
That's bittersweet. Like I said, a loss in the finals will really make you appreciate all of the previous early round exits. :lol
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Brad Marchand-1st Team All Star :metal
Adam Fox wins the Norris? Who the hell is he?
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Adam Fox wins the Norris? Who the hell is he?
The guy I predicted would win. You didn’t follow the Rangers much, eh?
Awards finalists are coming out now. Vasilevskiy, Grubauer, and Fleury for the Vezina. No surprise there. I'd give it to Grubauer.
My predictions:
Hart - McDavid, Matthews, Rantanen
Norris - Fox, Makar, Hamilton
Adams - Quennville, Brind'Amour, Evason
Calder - Kaprizov, Robertson, Nedeljkovic
Selke - Eriksson Ek, Markus Foligno, O'Reilly
I did better on these predictions than I did on the playoff round winners.
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Who fucking follows the Rangers?
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Who fucking follows the Rangers?
Who fucking follows Boston!
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Who fucking follows the Rangers?
Who fucking follows Boston!
Jaded Maple Leafs fans ;D
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Apparently Marchand was 5th in Hart and McAvoy was 5th in Norris. Not for nothing, but Marchand should've gotten consideration for the Selke.
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Yeah but who of the analysts are the color commentators?
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Ferraro (Leafs) and Campbell-Pascal (Flames) are both color commentators for their current gigs on TSN/Sportsnet
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Well there's 2. Looks like 2 more to go.
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Well there's 2. Looks like 2 more to go.
But there are 6 PxP announcers up there??
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Sean McDonough is much better suited for baseball, which he is excellent at. But I'll take Steve Levy any day. Not sure I could listen to Leah Hextall talk for an entire game though.
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Well there's 2. Looks like 2 more to go.
But there are 6 PxP announcers up there??
OOOHH! I missed the other 2. It looks like they are secondary? Backups?
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https://www.tsn.ca/chicago-blackhawks-jonathan-toews-chronic-immunse-response-syndrome-cirs-1.1662115
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Rumor has it that the Blues are shopping Tarasenko and that he’s submitted a list of teams he’d approve a trade to.
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No. Pierre. McGuire!!!
Thank FUCKING LUCIFER
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I got a feeling that Pierre McGuire will be on the TNT team. There's already some familiar faces that's going to TNT from the NBC squad. Kenny Albert and Eddie Olczyk. On that note, Gretzky is going to be an analyst for the TNT feeds. We'll see how'll that plays out.
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Habs really playing their hearts out tonight but it’s just not happening, so frustrating.
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That goal was a back breaker.
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Rumor has it that the Blues are shopping Tarasenko and that he’s submitted a list of teams he’d approve a trade to.
My guess is he has not gotten over not getting the C after Petro left and wants out. I am not sure he will ever be the same because of that shoulder, so if they can get something solid equity back for him, I'll be fine with it. Still, it will be a bummer to see him leave, as the Blues have had few pure goal scorers in the 40 years I've been a fan, and he's probably the 2nd best behind Hull.
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bummer. Hats off to Vassilevski though, dude wasn’t
giving anything away tonight
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Rumor has it that the Blues are shopping Tarasenko and that he’s submitted a list of teams he’d approve a trade to.
My guess is he has not gotten over not getting the C after Petro left and wants out. I am not sure he will ever be the same because of that shoulder, so if they can get something solid equity back for him, I'll be fine with it. Still, it will be a bummer to see him leave, as the Blues have had few pure goal scorers in the 40 years I've been a fan, and he's probably the 2nd best behind Hull.
It appears Duncan Keith will be traded this off season. Hmm.. ;D
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Rumor has it that the Blues are shopping Tarasenko and that he’s submitted a list of teams he’d approve a trade to.
My guess is he has not gotten over not getting the C after Petro left and wants out. I am not sure he will ever be the same because of that shoulder, so if they can get something solid equity back for him, I'll be fine with it. Still, it will be a bummer to see him leave, as the Blues have had few pure goal scorers in the 40 years I've been a fan, and he's probably the 2nd best behind Hull.
That and I’ve heard that there are several players who do not want to be on his line, to the point of some odd locker room strife. As you said…..prior to his shoulder going south he was a true goal scorer……second to only Ovechkin in goals scored in a five year span (excluding past three seasons) He was a bulldog and he played a big role in that Cup run. But the three consecutive shoulder surgeries on the same shoulder and spot have destroyed any chance of him being a legit threat again. He may get you 20 goals but I don’t think he will ever sniff 40 again. I don’t even think he’ll see thirty.
He’s played 23 games in the past two years and the Blues haves faired better off without him in the lineup. His wrist shot that once was a laser is now just an average shot……his game is severely limited……and it’s pretty obvious he’s ticked about not getting named Captain. If they can get something for him then you have to do it and I’d protect Sundquist in the draft over him every day of the week.
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Hurray??? The Kings made a move today.
They got Viktor Arvidsson from Nashville for their 2nd round this year (at #40) and their 3rd round next year. This guy any good? At least, the Kings are making moves to attempt to improve the team, which I was hoping they would do this off-season. The guy has 3 years left at a cap hit of $4.25M. Seems all right for them.
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Hurray??? The Kings made a move today.
They got Viktor Arvidsson from Nashville for their 2nd round this year (at #40) and their 3rd round next year. This guy any good? At least, the Kings are making moves to attempt to improve the team, which I was hoping they would do this off-season. The guy has 3 years left at a cap hit of $4.25M. Seems all right for them.
0.33 goals per game in the NHL. Seems like a solid guy but nothing special.
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I always got the sense Nashville thought he was a #1 liner kinda player, but it never turned out that way.
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Rumor has it that the Blues are shopping Tarasenko and that he’s submitted a list of teams he’d approve a trade to.
My guess is he has not gotten over not getting the C after Petro left and wants out. I am not sure he will ever be the same because of that shoulder, so if they can get something solid equity back for him, I'll be fine with it. Still, it will be a bummer to see him leave, as the Blues have had few pure goal scorers in the 40 years I've been a fan, and he's probably the 2nd best behind Hull.
That and I’ve heard that there are several players who do not want to be on his line, to the point of some odd locker room strife. As you said…..prior to his shoulder going south he was a true goal scorer……second to only Ovechkin in goals scored in a five year span (excluding past three seasons) He was a bulldog and he played a big role in that Cup run. But the three consecutive shoulder surgeries on the same shoulder and spot have destroyed any chance of him being a legit threat again. He may get you 20 goals but I don’t think he will ever sniff 40 again. I don’t even think he’ll see thirty.
He’s played 23 games in the past two years and the Blues haves faired better off without him in the lineup. His wrist shot that once was a laser is now just an average shot……his game is severely limited……and it’s pretty obvious he’s ticked about not getting named Captain. If they can get something for him then you have to do it and I’d protect Sundquist in the draft over him every day of the week.
Agreed. Tarasenko, I hate to say it, is a fading stock, and it is best to sell now. Sundqvist is one of those guys who does so many little things to where his value never shows up on the stat sheet, but is obvious when you watch the games.
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Agreed. Tarasenko, I hate to say it, is a fading stock, and it is best to sell now. Sundqvist is one of those guys who does so many little things to where his value never shows up on the stat sheet, but is obvious when you watch the games.
There's not one GM or Coach in the league who would turn down a chance to add Sundquist to their roster. The dude is as complete a hockey player as there is.
Unfortunately, The Blues missed the boat in getting anything of real value for Tarasenko. He's been the odd man out for a few years now but it was hard not to play him because he was scoring 35-40 goals a year and you're not going to trade that away. Hindsight being 20/20.....after his second surgery they should have been shopping him then.
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Well, this sucks. Looks like it will likely be all over in a couple days
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It's been over for a couple of days...
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It's been over for a couple of days...
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There was never much hope, only a fool's hope :loser: :rollin
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Canadiens probably deserve better than getting swept, but the sports gods laugh at "deserve."
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Carey Price...
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Canadiens probably deserve better than getting swept, but the sports gods laugh at "deserve."
on behalf of the province of Québec, I appreciate the thought ;)
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That's rough, but this was a bit of a foregone conclusion that the Habs could have changed back in say, Game two, but nope. It's going to be at this point insanely impossible to win four straight against this TB team. It takes a special team to lose 4 straight like the 2014 San Jose Sharks, and this TB team ain't it.
I await the next Montreal riot if the Habs get swept in Game 4
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Montreal played the beat game they could in game two. I think losing that game after they played so well crushed their spirit. They needed that game.
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This validates what I was saying back in round 1 ... the formula for the Habs to win needed to include them playing perfectly, Price has to steal a game (or two) and their opponents have to make a couple of mistakes - plus injury to Tavares and (ridiculous) suspension to Scheifele helped.
Tampa has made no mistakes
Price has been ordinary
The Habs have had way too many turnovers and sloppy play that have led to many goals.
Basically, the Boots have used the above formula to get these last 3 wins.
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Let us all not forget what will be the biggest takeaway from these Finals:
Pat f'ing Maroon will win his 3rd Cup in a row!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal
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This validates what I was saying back in round 1 ... the formula for the Habs to win needed to include them playing perfectly, Price has to steal a game (or two) and their opponents have to make a couple of mistakes - plus injury to Tavares and (ridiculous) suspension to Scheifele helped.
Tampa has made no mistakes
Price has been ordinary
The Habs have had way too many turnovers and sloppy play that have led to many goals.
Basically, the Boots have used the above formula to get these last 3 wins.
And another huge factor is the really good teams that they’ve beat these playoffs have little to no experience in winning big. Small successes but nothing in the tank to draw on like the Lightning do of actually having won the Cup.
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Habs still holding on for dear life
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Basically, the Boots have used the above formula to get these last 3 wins.
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and Tampa equalizes 1-1
ruh, roh
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everyone I know up here right now:
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Maroon clutch as always, ties it up!
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Tampa's mayor wants the team to lose today to come and win the trophy at home. Can't argue with that.
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overtime has been good to the Habs in this playoff season, hope it sticks
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Tampa's mayor wants the team to lose today to come and win the trophy at home. Can't argue with that.
I was pulling for Montreal when the series started, but a TBL back-to-back seems a foregone conclusion at this point. If that's the case, I'd rather see them win it at home. However, methinks the Weber penalty will be a killer.
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overtime has been good to the Habs in this playoff season, hope it sticks
Narrator: It did.
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Habs win, which means we get more hockey!!
Tampa's mayor wants the team to lose today to come and win the trophy at home. Can't argue with that.
Yes, you can. You win the Cup as quickly as you can.
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overtime has been good to the Habs in this playoff season, hope it sticks
Narrator: It did.
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(yeah I know it's most likely going to end wednesday in Tampa but let us have this :P)
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I heard the sound clip where the mayor said something like, "Maybe the Lightning can take it a little easy on them," F*** that. You don't give any team any hope thinking they can come back, because they may actually do that and this team can possibly do it and it starts at Game 4, one game at a time.
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Habs win, which means we get more hockey!!
Tampa's mayor wants the team to lose today to come and win the trophy at home. Can't argue with that.
Yes, you can. You win the Cup as quickly as you can.
Of course that is true for sure, but I guess it must be something to be said about that feeling when you win at home. That said I was hoping they would seal the deal tonight.
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Vive les Habitants!
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this is basically what I imagine happened in the Habs dressing room before overtime started: https://youtu.be/ydpmzU_i2hg?t=92 :lol
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this is basically what I imagine happened in the Habs dressing room before overtime started: https://youtu.be/ydpmzU_i2hg?t=92 :lol
Holy hell...Les Mis is SO DAMN GOOD!!!
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Tampa's mayor is an idiot. You never wish for your team to not win.
Montreal earned that one with a 4-minute kill. At 38%-ish, Tampa's PP has been the best playoff PP in 20+ years. At just over 90%, Montreal's PK the 3rd best this century (I think it was Chicago '13, and Detroit '08 that were the only better teams)
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Once more into the breach lads, here we go
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This feels so dirty.
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please don't let this end on on 1-0 win by Tampa
(https://media.giphy.com/media/fdS0J5U160E2wZLwku/giphy.gif)
(I know this wish could backfire immensely)
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What a flawless 3rd period by the Bolts.
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Fucking AWESOME!
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damn it. Well, I guess this is it.
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I thought for sure Montreal was tying that game.
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KRAKEN SEASON STARTS NOW!!! FACE THE THING THAT SHOULD NOT BE!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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So glad I can enjoy seeing teams skate with the Cup now. Congrats to the Lightning!
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All right, well done. Bolts. Once again, that team has been relatively been good/great for the last decade, yadda, yadda, yadda. Manage to find a way to be cup compliant (by the way, them being millions over the cap was irrelevant if they didn't make the playoffs, but there was no way they weren't making the playoffs. Team was just that good.) Don't see them having a shot at winning three in a row, but they got good management. They will find a way.
Anywho, this late July will be busy. Seattle draft, then NHL draft, then free agency. Do your worst, Seattle. I'm seeing what the Kings could expose and I've accepted the reality that it won't hurt the team at all if they take anyone on that exposed list. I can't say the same for most teams though. Sentimental value means little at this point if they take either Quick or Brown (I don't think they will though). I'm sure Seattle will be in the fold for a playoff spot. Pacific division is not that great.
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Congrats to the $98M team (really, $91M, because the LTIR relief from Gaborik and Nilsson are legit - ie, keeping contracts of permanently injured players for LTIR relief ... lots of teams do this). I don't think they were cheaters with the cap compliance - but they sure as hell bent the rules to their limit. There's no way I'll ever be convinced that Kuch wasn't healthy enough to play in late April / early May. He was kept on LTIR because he had to be for cap compliance - not because he was injured. And it was rather convenient to have Stamkos on LTIR right after the trade deadline until Game 1 of the playoffs. Yes, they were a playoff bound team, but not having to drop two significant contracts to compensate for Kuch's salary sure did help them. Imagine no Killorn or Johnson for the whole playoffs. Or no Palat and Cirelli. They have a tougher time making it to the finals, imo.
And for this reason, I'm also convinced the league/Governors are going to make some modification to Cap rules for playoffs. Don't know what that will look like, but I think there will be something.
Looking forward to seeing the protected lists next week. I don't think the Kraken are going to make out as well as the Knights did 4 years ago. GMs got smarter about how they structured their contracts. I don't think too many teams will feel they're in a pickle and having to expose players they aren't prepared/willing to lose - or contracts they are hoping to lose in many cases.
Looking back at the expansion rules that the Jackets, Wild, Preds and Thrashers had to play under, it's amazing they won any games in their inaugural seasons. Teams basically only had to expose their backup goalie, 4th liners, and 3rd D-pairings. And the Wild/Jackets drafted in the same year! Man those were some shitty teams.
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the Habs making it this far into the playoffs got me paying attention to hockey which I usually never do. I think they did something kind of amazing and gave us quite the ride that we won’t forget.
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"I didn’t even want to go back to Montreal,” Kucherov said. “But the fans in Montreal? Come on. They acted like they won the Stanley Cup last game. Are you kidding me? You kidding me? Their final was last series."
What an arrogant prick comment. This coming from a guy whose team just two years ago was swept in Round 1 as the President's Trophy winner. Given his "LTIR" status, I've lost a fair amount of respect for this guy. Talented, yes. But what an ass-clown of a comment.
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Habs win, which means we get more hockey!!
Tampa's mayor wants the team to lose today to come and win the trophy at home. Can't argue with that.
Yes, you can. You win the Cup as quickly as you can.
I'm with you on that; don't get cute. Once the puck drops, all that matters is the next 60 minutes; not the building, not the LTIR, not the cap, not anything else. Play hard, play to win.
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I thought last night's game, while it had its moments, was incredibly sloppy. I know towards the end there were remarks of the ice surface being just awful, but I didn't really see anything from either team that truly impressed me. I thought Montreal was sloppy with the puck from the first drop, and their decisions with movement were hesitant and lacked confidence. Seemed to me like they were just hoping to delay the inevitable rather than really putting forward their all.
Tampa suffocated them a lot last night, certainly frustrated them and I do believe they were the better team, but I also didn't feel like they had the same intensity that more recent champions had. I was most impressed with Vasilevsky, who definitely earned the Conn Smythe. I didn't have a dog in the fight so I was just watching for some entertaining hockey and was just sort of...meh at last night's game. Seemed like it went out with a whimper.
I am in no way making any statement about either Tampa or Montreal deserving/not deserving anything. I just felt like this wasn't the best Final I've seen recently.
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"I didn’t even want to go back to Montreal,” Kucherov said. “But the fans in Montreal? Come on. They acted like they won the Stanley Cup last game. Are you kidding me? You kidding me? Their final was last series."
What an arrogant prick comment. This coming from a guy whose team just two years ago was swept in Round 1 as the President's Trophy winner. Given his "LTIR" status, I've lost a fair amount of respect for this guy. Talented, yes. But what an ass-clown of a comment.
I just watched that press conference where he said that.....and yes, there's no out of context there. He was being and utter dick. What a classless A-Hole. If I'm Montreal I stick that comment in the back pocket and line that F'r up the next time you play him.
And I'm with you Chad...I mean, TB played by the rules with the whole LTIR and all that but C'mon.....everyone could see they were manipulating the hell out of it. I mean whatever....they didn't break any rules but these GM's and teams are too smart not to know how to utilize every rule and regulation to their advantage. The good thing is TB's little 'run' is all but over. No amount of salary cap gymnastics is going to allow them to keep that team together so it'll be a different look for them next season.
That may not matter though since they basically have the best goalie on the planet right now.
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Oh and.....Tarasenko has officially asked for a trade from the Blues. He's pi$$ed at them for mishandling his first two shoulder surgeries and that he didn't get the 'C' when Petro left. He has a solid beef about the shoulder surgeries. There is a long history of Blues team physicians being inept....and he's the latest victim. Robbi Fabbri is another recent one.
Tarasenko said when he came back from his first surgery he complained it didn't feel right but was told he was all good. Then it re-injured and he had his second surgery. Same thing happened. He went and got his own evaluation from an independent Dr. and was told not only did the first two surgeries not address the initial problem, he now had a large amount of scar tissue from them.
So between that and feeling like he was dissed on the Captaincy.....he's requested a trade. Problem is, who wants him?
His AAV is $7.5 mil but next season it's $9.5 mil.....final year is $4.5 mil. You'll have to package him with other players or pics for sure and even then your return isn't going to be great. All the GM's know about his shoulder and that he's never going to be a 30+ goal scorer again. He'll get you 20 a year....but maybe for 3-4 more years? He's 28 and recovering from three surgeries. I had to guess without knowing any of the teams salary cap issues I'd say NY Rangers due to him and Panarin being close buddies. But who knows?
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So glad I can enjoy seeing teams skate with the Cup now. Congrats to the Lightning!
Yeah...I didn't want the Lightning to win, but it's only because, when I don't have a rooting interest, I naturally pull for the underdog. That's a damn impressive team, and I'd much rather they win on home ice. I didn't like how Bettman had the whole team come out for the photo op and then disburse for the actual presentation of the Cup, but oh well.
Onto 2021-22! Go Kings go!
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"I didn’t even want to go back to Montreal,” Kucherov said. “But the fans in Montreal? Come on. They acted like they won the Stanley Cup last game. Are you kidding me? You kidding me? Their final was last series."
What an arrogant prick comment. This coming from a guy whose team just two years ago was swept in Round 1 as the President's Trophy winner. Given his "LTIR" status, I've lost a fair amount of respect for this guy. Talented, yes. But what an ass-clown of a comment.
I just watched that press conference where he said that.....and yes, there's no out of context there. He was being and utter dick. What a classless A-Hole. If I'm Montreal I stick that comment in the back pocket and line that F'r up the next time you play him.
And I'm with you Chad...I mean, TB played by the rules with the whole LTIR and all that but C'mon.....everyone could see they were manipulating the hell out of it. I mean whatever....they didn't break any rules but these GM's and teams are too smart not to know how to utilize every rule and regulation to their advantage. The good thing is TB's little 'run' is all but over. No amount of salary cap gymnastics is going to allow them to keep that team together so it'll be a different look for them next season.
That may not matter though since they basically have the best goalie on the planet right now.
This is a concept or idea that comes up in New England a lot, around the Hoodie. Honest question: what would you guys want to see? The rules are guideposts, and any other team could have done what the Lightning did, so why is this bad?
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"I didn’t even want to go back to Montreal,” Kucherov said. “But the fans in Montreal? Come on. They acted like they won the Stanley Cup last game. Are you kidding me? You kidding me? Their final was last series."
What an arrogant prick comment. This coming from a guy whose team just two years ago was swept in Round 1 as the President's Trophy winner. Given his "LTIR" status, I've lost a fair amount of respect for this guy. Talented, yes. But what an ass-clown of a comment.
I just watched that press conference where he said that.....and yes, there's no out of context there. He was being and utter dick. What a classless A-Hole. If I'm Montreal I stick that comment in the back pocket and line that F'r up the next time you play him.
And I'm with you Chad...I mean, TB played by the rules with the whole LTIR and all that but C'mon.....everyone could see they were manipulating the hell out of it. I mean whatever....they didn't break any rules but these GM's and teams are too smart not to know how to utilize every rule and regulation to their advantage. The good thing is TB's little 'run' is all but over. No amount of salary cap gymnastics is going to allow them to keep that team together so it'll be a different look for them next season.
That may not matter though since they basically have the best goalie on the planet right now.
This is a concept or idea that comes up in New England a lot, around the Hoodie. Honest question: what would you guys want to see? The rules are guideposts, and any other team could have done what the Lightning did, so why is this bad?
Not saying it's 'bad'......and other teams have done it. I think where the issue lies is that teams are choosing to exploit this for purposes above what it was designed for. Kucherov and Stamkos were intentionally held out of the regular season and placed on LTIR (when it's highly suspected they could've played) so that TB could retain a host of other key, core players for the playoffs rather than having to dump a player or two to clear cap
Did they break the rules? Nope. But just like the Bezos and Gates of the world who use legal loopholes to skate on taxes.....it's ethically a crappy thing to do and a deep look needs to be taken at tinkering with the intention of the LTIR to where it can't be manipulated to give you an unfair advantage in the playoffs. Which 100% happened this year with TB.
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I will say this. I will guaran-damn-tee (I had to emphasized the damn part of that) that if Tampa Bay did not make the playoffs (which would be utterly impossible given the division draw they had), everyone in the hockey world would be laughing at them saying something like, "herp derp, they are million above the cap, and they couldn't even make the playoffs. What a waste of money."
I will say if all teams were at least $15 million above the cap this season, most wouldn't be as good as TB. Some may, others would not and there was a period where teams like the Leafs and Rangers were spending money like crazy and they were still getting nowhere (which I think that period in the late 90s/early 00s is a factor on why there is a salary cap in the first place, to prevent GMs from spending money poorly).
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What I would want to see is that if the salary-relief of a player on LTIR is NEEDED to be under the cap, and they do not dress for a game between the trade deadline and the end of the season, they are ineligible for the playoffs. So, Kuch would have been be ineligible, unless he dressed for one game, or unless they didn't take relief of his AAV.
Look, TB was able to sign / retain players they would have otherwise been unable to fit into the roster if not for Kuch's LTIR relief. Yes, other teams have done that for temp and legit purposes (Kane a few years back; Leafs while moving people up and down the roster), but to LTIR your highest salary for the full season, see him practicing for almost 2 months, and then he magically is healthy the day the playoffs start... that's a *too* much manipulation AFAIC.
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What I would want to see is that if the salary-relief of a player on LTIR is NEEDED to be under the cap, and they do not dress for a game between the trade deadline and the end of the season, they are ineligible for the playoffs. So, Kuch would have been be ineligible, unless he dressed for one game, or unless they didn't take relief of his AAV.
Look, TB was able to sign / retain players they would have otherwise been unable to fit into the roster if not for Kuch's LTIR relief. Yes, other teams have done that for temp and legit purposes (Kane a few years back; Leafs while moving people up and down the roster), but to LTIR your highest salary for the full season, see him practicing for almost 2 months, and then he magically is healthy the day the playoffs start... that's a *too* much manipulation AFAIC.
Yep. They gamed the system no doubt about it. I don't even think they'd say differently because they don't have to. There's no rule against it. It's based on a gentlemen's agreement that you're placing and keeping guys on LTIR that NEED to be there.....not to free up Cap space to sign additional players then magically bring back players for the playoffs.
The Kucherov situation was a big middle finger to everyone while smiling. That, and his little a$$hat presser makes my blood boil and hope beyond hope that karma kicks him in the nuts next season.
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What I would want to see is that if the salary-relief of a player on LTIR is NEEDED to be under the cap, and they do not dress for a game between the trade deadline and the end of the season, they are ineligible for the playoffs. So, Kuch would have been be ineligible, unless he dressed for one game, or unless they didn't take relief of his AAV.
Look, TB was able to sign / retain players they would have otherwise been unable to fit into the roster if not for Kuch's LTIR relief. Yes, other teams have done that for temp and legit purposes (Kane a few years back; Leafs while moving people up and down the roster), but to LTIR your highest salary for the full season, see him practicing for almost 2 months, and then he magically is healthy the day the playoffs start... that's a *too* much manipulation AFAIC.
Yep. They gamed the system no doubt about it. I don't even think they'd say differently because they don't have to. There's no rule against it. It's based on a gentlemen's agreement that you're placing and keeping guys on LTIR that NEED to be there.....not to free up Cap space to sign additional players then magically bring back players for the playoffs.
The Kucherov situation was a big middle finger to everyone while smiling. That, and his little a$$hat presser makes my blood boil and hope beyond hope that karma kicks him in the nuts next season.
But then, he would just go back to LTIR and the cycle continues unless the NHL can hotfix it and he wouldn't be allowed to play a playoff game if he's out the entire season.
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"I didn’t even want to go back to Montreal,” Kucherov said. “But the fans in Montreal? Come on. They acted like they won the Stanley Cup last game. Are you kidding me? You kidding me? Their final was last series."
What an arrogant prick comment. This coming from a guy whose team just two years ago was swept in Round 1 as the President's Trophy winner. Given his "LTIR" status, I've lost a fair amount of respect for this guy. Talented, yes. But what an ass-clown of a comment.
I just watched that press conference where he said that.....and yes, there's no out of context there. He was being and utter dick. What a classless A-Hole. If I'm Montreal I stick that comment in the back pocket and line that F'r up the next time you play him.
And I'm with you Chad...I mean, TB played by the rules with the whole LTIR and all that but C'mon.....everyone could see they were manipulating the hell out of it. I mean whatever....they didn't break any rules but these GM's and teams are too smart not to know how to utilize every rule and regulation to their advantage. The good thing is TB's little 'run' is all but over. No amount of salary cap gymnastics is going to allow them to keep that team together so it'll be a different look for them next season.
That may not matter though since they basically have the best goalie on the planet right now.
This is a concept or idea that comes up in New England a lot, around the Hoodie. Honest question: what would you guys want to see? The rules are guideposts, and any other team could have done what the Lightning did, so why is this bad?
Not saying it's 'bad'......and other teams have done it. I think where the issue lies is that teams are choosing to exploit this for purposes above what it was designed for. Kucherov and Stamkos were intentionally held out of the regular season and placed on LTIR (when it's highly suspected they could've played) so that TB could retain a host of other key, core players for the playoffs rather than having to dump a player or two to clear cap
Did they break the rules? Nope. But just like the Bezos and Gates of the world who use legal loopholes to skate on taxes.....it's ethically a crappy thing to do and a deep look needs to be taken at tinkering with the intention of the LTIR to where it can't be manipulated to give you an unfair advantage in the playoffs. Which 100% happened this year with TB.
I guess I'm at a loss how it's "unfair" if every team could do it. And there IS the risk that by not having those players during the season that the team doesn't perform as well as they could, or that the players stagnate without the repititions. I'm not trying to argue here; I'm just sort of trying to understand. For me, the rules are a framework, and as long as the frame is intact, anything goes. Though I will say that if a rule WAS implemented for a specific purpose and the loophole undermines that specific purpose then perhaps it should be looked at (I'm not familiar with the background of this particular rule).
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The concept of LTIR is always fascinating. Some people can say you shouldn't abuse that rule to make sure your top player is well-rested and healthy to start the playoffs even though he didn't play a game in the regular season. Others could say that you shouldn't abuse that rule to take in a LTIR contract to get enough cap relief to sign a top guy (I know the Leafs have done that in the past). Those approaches are fair game as far as I can tell and any team can choose to exercise it if they wish and if it suits them for the time being.
Great teams find legal loopholes and are able to win it. Those sour about it. Well, your team just needs to be better in other ways. Salty about Vegas making it to at least the final four three out of four years despite only existing for four years? Your team just needs to be better somehow. I ain't upset about Vegas' success. I just hope there comes a day where the Kings would be a better team than them, but that day is not going to be there yet in the near future.
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I'll beat the dead horse: McGuire will NOT be returning to broadcasting! He's been appointed VP of player development in Ottawa. Huzzah.
https://www.nhl.com/senators/news/senators-appoint-pierre-mcguire-as-senior-vp-of-player-development/c-325631294
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I'll beat the dead horse: McGuire will NOT be returning to broadcasting! He's been appointed VP of player development in Ottawa. Huzzah.
https://www.nhl.com/senators/news/senators-appoint-pierre-mcguire-as-senior-vp-of-player-development/c-325631294
Wrong thread. This should be posted in “What made you happy today” instead.
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Thank god I'm not a Sens fan!
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Wrong thread. This should be posted in “What made you happy today” instead.
I just didn't want to double post.
Thank god I'm not a Sens fan!
INDEED! As I told my sister, I don't really know what they see in him as far as value, but if it keeps him off tv and away from my team, I'm fine with it.
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Wrong thread. This should be posted in “What made you happy today” instead.
I just didn't want to double post.
Was only joking. Sorry if that wasn’t more clear. ;)
And jingle, that was also my first thought. I guess they were impressed with his player relations skills from his days in Hartford?
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I question more about the Senators' hiring process. I understand that they may not have a lot of candidates, compared to other teams, but they really looked at whatever lists they got and think, "Yeah, Pierre McGuire is the best guy for this job."?
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Duncan Keith to the Oil. It's coming from multiple insiders - Caleb Jones (who?) and a 3rd round. Hawks are retaining no salary.
Why am I singing "Meet the new boss; same as the old boss"
New GM, and the Oilers continue to get fleeced.
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Duncan Keith to the Oil. It's coming from multiple insiders - Caleb Jones (who?) and a 3rd round. Hawks are retaining no salary.
Why am I singing "Meet the new boss; same as the old boss"
New GM, and the Oilers continue to get fleeced.
Any interest in Tarasenko while you’re at it?
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I've watched and listened to a couple interviews and videos of Kucherov now.....one from today and the past couple days and more and more I'm really developing a 'hatred' for the guy. Not like literally hate him and wish bad things on him but the dude is just an a$$hole. Great player and all but he's a cocky SOB and cocky SOB's rub me the wrong way.
I saw one article headline that was written after his little post game drunken rant that insisted that the NHL 'needed' more of what he said/did and I totally disagree. (i didn't read the article due to the headline) Having a$$hole's represent your product is never a good idea. And you'll have a hard time convincing me Kucherov isn't a D-Bag a$$hole.
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Was only joking. Sorry if that wasn’t more clear. ;)
And jingle, that was also my first thought. I guess they were impressed with his player relations skills from his days in Hartford?
I know, no worries. :)
I really can't imagine anyone looking at McGuire and thinking that he's worth anything other than ridiculously obscure junior/college hockey references, stepping all over fellow announcers, and awkwardly salivating over those he interviews.
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@ Gary .... From henceforth, he shall be known as Doucherov
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I've watched and listened to a couple interviews and videos of Kucherov now.....one from today and the past couple days and more and more I'm really developing a 'hatred' for the guy. Not like literally hate him and wish bad things on him but the dude is just an a$$hole. Great player and all but he's a cocky SOB and cocky SOB's rub me the wrong way.
I saw one article headline that was written after his little post game drunken rant that insisted that the NHL 'needed' more of what he said/did and I totally disagree. (i didn't read the article due to the headline) Having a$$hole's represent your product is never a good idea. And you'll have a hard time convincing me Kucherov isn't a D-Bag a$$hole.
Well, there comes a point where we do need villains in the NHL and the Bolts are certainly embracing that they are the villains and not afraid to show it and I think that a point can be made that we do need more of that. I mean I know that with the Bolts and Habs are in the same division, I would be curious to see how the first game, next season, in Montreal between those two teams goes and see fans reactions every time Kucherov touches the puck or is on ice or anything. He would be booed all over the place.
I was listening to 31 Thoughts: The Podcast (the one that has Elliott Friedman and Jeff Marek of Sportsnet) yesterday when they talked about that post-game conference and they reluctantly agree that this league does need some villains or teams that can be perceived as villains and they see the pros of that. I know Jeff Marek is a huge wrestling fan so he knows what's it all about when it comes to faces/heels and how a good villain can potentially drive interest to the product.
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I've watched and listened to a couple interviews and videos of Kucherov now.....one from today and the past couple days and more and more I'm really developing a 'hatred' for the guy. Not like literally hate him and wish bad things on him but the dude is just an a$$hole. Great player and all but he's a cocky SOB and cocky SOB's rub me the wrong way.
I saw one article headline that was written after his little post game drunken rant that insisted that the NHL 'needed' more of what he said/did and I totally disagree. (i didn't read the article due to the headline) Having a$$hole's represent your product is never a good idea. And you'll have a hard time convincing me Kucherov isn't a D-Bag a$$hole.
Well, there comes a point where we do need villains in the NHL and the Bolts are certainly embracing that they are the villains and not afraid to show it and I think that a point can be made that we do need more of that. I mean I know that with the Bolts and Habs are in the same division, I would be curious to see how the first game, next season, in Montreal between those two teams goes and see fans reactions every time Kucherov touches the puck or is on ice or anything. He would be booed all over the place.
I was listening to 31 Thoughts: The Podcast (the one that has Elliott Friedman and Jeff Marek of Sportsnet) yesterday when they talked about that post-game conference and they reluctantly agree that this league does need some villains or teams that can be perceived as villains and they see the pros of that. I know Jeff Marek is a huge wrestling fan so he knows what's it all about when it comes to faces/heels and how a good villain can potentially drive interest to the product.
I mean.....I get it. It's 'good' to have these personalities and what not in the league. It's just me personally.....I do not respond well to outright cockiness. It's one thing to be confident and handle it with class. It's another thing to be a cocky A-Hole and be an utter dick about it.
@ Gary .... From henceforth, he shall be known as Doucherov
Let it be written.....let it be so.
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Considering that the NHL has exactly zero personality, i have no issue whatsoever with the Kucherov presser. Listening to an intermission interview with an NHL player is like nails on a chalkboard
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Considering that the NHL has exactly zero personality, i have no issue whatsoever with the Kucherov presser. Listening to an intermission interview with an NHL player is like nails on a chalkboard
So I guess you are blocking that Duncan Keith trade to the Oilers out of your mind for the time being?
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Considering that the NHL has exactly zero personality, i have no issue whatsoever with the Kucherov presser. Listening to an intermission interview with an NHL player is like nails on a chalkboard
So I guess you are blocking that Duncan Keith trade to the Oilers out of your mind for the time being?
We don't talk about that around here.
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It's being received about as well as the Lucic signing did.
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Or Hall for Larsen?
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But...but...but...Duncan Keith is one of the 100 greatest players in the history of the NHL!
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We don't talk about the Chiarelli years. Just more darkness there.
I don't actually mind loading Jones ( he's got some considerable off-ice baggage and an issue with the bottle). But Jones, and a pick, and full salary for a well over-ripe player? Ken Holland must have been high when he came up with this idea. I sure hope the reports are wrong, and Chicago is actually retaining half the salary
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^^ You also get a guy from the Blackhawks AHL roster as well (whose stats I'm seeing and yeah.......) That's something, right...... That trade would make a little more sense (it would be somewhat similar to Carter being sent to Penguins with Kings retaining half salary) if Chicago was retaining half salary.
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We don't talk about the Chiarelli years. Just more darkness there.
I don't actually mind loading Jones ( he's got some considerable off-ice baggage and an issue with the bottle). But Jones, and a pick, and full salary for a well over-ripe player? Ken Holland must have been high when he came up with this idea. I sure hope the reports are wrong, and Chicago is actually retaining half the salary
But teams can only retain a max of 25% of AAV.
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^^ I thought the max was 50%. Otherwise, this number below that the Kings are getting a hit on would be around $1.3M instead of $2.6M if what you said was true.
(https://i.imgur.com/7aKW4sM.png)
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You’re right. It’s 50% of remaining AAV. I got mixed up as I was thinking about the 3-way trades that have happened recently.
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Pekka Rinne Retires (Nashville goalie)
One of my favorite goalies to play the game. Sad to see him go and being one of the best, but not being able to hoist a Stanley Cup.
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/pekka-rinne-nhl-hockey-nashville-predators-retirement-annoucement?fbclid=IwAR1xqG42-hb4SEqjkxb1KNign1S3gAjuaer9GN5lrhx0glc0iF110-9aqTg
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Damn... I thought he might transition into a tandem role somewhere. Seems that's necessary to give the primary goalie enough rest thru the season, so they are fresh for playoffs.
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Damn... I thought he might transition into a tandem role somewhere. Seems that's necessary to give the primary goalie enough rest thru the season, so they are fresh for playoffs.
Hasn’t he been dealing with nagging injuries though the past couple seasons? Maybe he just figured it wasn’t worth the physical sacrifice?
When he was at top form he was a wall.
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Looks like a normal season starting in October, usual divisions, 82 games, with protocols for both vaccinated and unvaccinated players. Still no agreement regarding the Olympics, so two versions of the schedule were briefed to GMs, one with and one without a break.
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Damn... I thought he might transition into a tandem role somewhere. Seems that's necessary to give the primary goalie enough rest thru the season, so they are fresh for playoffs.
Hasn’t he been dealing with nagging injuries though the past couple seasons? Maybe he just figured it wasn’t worth the physical sacrifice?
When he was at top form he was a wall.
Could be that he's planning to play his twilight years back in Finland. And, you're absolutely correct: Rinne in top form was among the best for a decade
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So I was watching a Hockey Guy Youtube video when he's going over the news around the league for the day and I noted this following information. Holy f***, Suter and Parise from the Wild both got bought out? I know those long 13 year contracts was going to age horribly, but man, I didn't think the organization was going to resort to buying both out. One maybe, and from what I heard Parise was a bit in the doghouse, but both?
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Wonder what that does for their cap space? No need. Damn! Capfriendly is FAST!
Holy fuck this is going to hurt them - not as much this year, but $12M for '22/'23 and $14m for 2 years after that!?!?! :omg: :omg:
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Wonder what that does for their cap space? No need. Damn! Capfriendly is FAST!
Holy fuck this is going to hurt them - not as much this year, but $12M for '22/'23 and $14m for 2 years after that!?!?! :omg: :omg:
$14M dead space?
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Wonder what that does for their cap space? No need. Damn! Capfriendly is FAST!
Holy fuck this is going to hurt them - not as much this year, but $12M for '22/'23 and $14m for 2 years after that!?!?! :omg: :omg:
$14M dead space?
It would seem so - https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/wild
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Considering that the NHL has exactly zero personality, i have no issue whatsoever with the Kucherov presser. Listening to an intermission interview with an NHL player is like nails on a chalkboard
So I guess you are blocking that Duncan Keith trade to the Oilers out of your mind for the time being?
We don't talk about that around here.
As a Wings fan, I’m glad Ken Holland is someone else’s problem now. And to think, if he had waited, he could have gotten Suter for a fraction of the cost of Keith, and not given up any assets. :facepalm:
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Avs trade Ryan Graves to New Jersey for a left winger prospect and a 2nd round pick. Likely an expansion draft induced trade...Cracken going to snatch up players like Vegas did a couple of years ago.
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Blues exposing Taresenko? Interesting, but I guess not surprising.
Price waives NMC. Wow!
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Blues exposing Taresenko? Interesting, but I guess not surprising.
My guess is they are getting bad offers for him, meaning they can do one of two things:
1) Trade Tarasenko for peanuts and then still have to expose a player (Dunn or Barbashev?), meaning they'd lose two players.
2) Expose Tarasenko and lose him to Seattle for nothing in return, but not lose anyone else in the draft, meaning they'd lose just Tarasenko.
My guess is that they value the player they do not want to expose instead of Tarasenko more than whatever teams are offering for Tarasenko.
By all accounts, the relationship between Tarasenko and the Blues is irreparable, so that is a factor as well.
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Plus, they rid themselves of Tarasenko's salary completely.
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I believe that is correct. Plus, the odds of Tarasenko ever being the player again that he was prior to the shoulder surgeries are pretty low, so they are gambling as well that he really is done as far as playing at an all-star level on a consistent basis.
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Blues exposing Taresenko? Interesting, but I guess not surprising.
My guess is they are getting bad offers for him, meaning they can do one of two things:
1) Trade Tarasenko for peanuts and then still have to expose a player (Dunn or Barbashev?), meaning they'd lose two players.
2) Expose Tarasenko and lose him to Seattle for nothing in return, but not lose anyone else in the draft, meaning they'd lose just Tarasenko.
My guess is that they value the player they do not want to expose instead of Tarasenko more than whatever teams are offering for Tarasenko.
By all accounts, the relationship between Tarasenko and the Blues is irreparable, so that is a factor as well.
Armstrong has received several offers to take Tarasenko and his salary……but like you said Kev the Blues would have gotten nothing in return. I think Armstrong has to come to the realization that at this point draft pics are what you’re getting. Maybe a low tier player.
And Tarasenko has to realize he just isn’t all that valuable anymore.
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Ryan Ellis for Nolan Patrick, and then Patrick to Vegas for Cody Glass. I think the Flyers got a good deal there!
It's really fascinating to see these 'expansion' moves that wouldn't have been done otherwise.
I'm not sure the logic behind the Goodrow trade to the Rangers. Why trade for a pending UFA? Unless you plan/want to offer an 8-year deal ... but to a 28-year old 3rd liner?
Heiskanen cashed in. I think $8.5M x 8 years will be a good deal for the Stars. That kid is gonna be a stud.
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Heiskanen cashed in. I think $8.5M x 8 years will be a good deal for the Stars. That kid is gonna be a stud.
It is?
I don't know how I feel about it. I mean, he'll only be 29 when it expires so they do have him in his prime.
Charlie McAvoy is smiling somewhere. No way the Bruins give him anything close to that.
Very disappointed at the lack of list leaks last night.
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I'm still trying to figure out a scenario where a team protects 8-1 as opposed to 7-3-1.
Maybe if you're looking to expose some salary, or if you're more afraid of losing your 8th best forward than your 3rd best D?
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I'm still trying to figure out a scenario where a team protects 8-1 as opposed to 7-3-1.
Maybe if you're looking to expose some salary, or if you're more afraid of losing your 8th best forward than your 3rd best D?
Nashville might've been in that spot, but not now with the trade of Ellis. Perhaps there are teams that don't have enough forwards to expose (that meet the required criteria)?
I'm really stunned at the Price move. Both Mtl and Price are playing chicken with Seattle - jingle.son is 100% convinced they'll take him. I still think they'll take Holtby or Lehner, and my other bet would be Georgiev or whoever Columbus exposes. I personally think Murray is over-rated. Ironic now that he's exposed, and Flower (likely) is protected.
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I'm still trying to figure out a scenario where a team protects 8-1 as opposed to 7-3-1.
Maybe if you're looking to expose some salary, or if you're more afraid of losing your 8th best forward than your 3rd best D?
Nashville might've been in that spot, but not now with the trade of Ellis. Perhaps there are teams that don't have enough forwards to expose (that meet the required criteria)?
I'm really stunned at the Price move. Both Mtl and Price are playing chicken with Seattle - jingle.son is 100% convinced they'll take him. I still think they'll take Holtby or Lehner, and my other bet would be Georgiev or whoever Columbus exposes. I personally think Murray is over-rated. Ironic now that he's exposed, and Flower (likely) is protected.
I've been following the twitters (yeah you read that right, bitches) of the TSN guys since last night. Freidman thinks the Leafs went 8-1.
Chris Johnson said that Price is due am $11m bonus in September. Definitely a game of chicken. Why would the Habs even take the chance just to protect Jake Allen? I hope they get burned.
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I'm really stunned at the Price move. Both Mtl and Price are playing chicken with Seattle - jingle.son is 100% convinced they'll take him. I still think they'll take Holtby or Lehner, and my other bet would be Georgiev or whoever Columbus exposes. I personally think Murray is over-rated. Ironic now that he's exposed, and Flower (likely) is protected.
Vegas is exempted from the expansion draft. They don't need to expose anyone.
From the looks of Lisa Dillman of the Athletic and various insiders regarding the Kings, this looks like this is their protected list.
Fwds - L. Andersson, Arvidsson, Brown, Iafallo, Kempe, Kopitar, Moore
Def - Doughty, Roy, Walker
Goalie - Petersen
https://twitter.com/mayorNHL/status/1416764772511490051
I'm not surprised at all about the players listed except for one guy. I'm surprised if they decide to protect Brown. Mid-30s, one year left at $5.9M, best days clearly behind him (although he can still be very useful in certain situations and has played much better in the back half of his contract). He wasn't even protected in the Vegas draft (Kings went 4-4-1), but then again, his last three years prior to the Vegas draft was not very good (I'm sure some people thought at the time that contract was going to be bought out at some point in time, but the Kings will just let it ride to the end at this point).
Somehow, prior to Carey Price being exposed, apparently hockey Twitter was shocked that Quick was exposed. Yeah, apparently, the Kings should have protect their mid-30s goalie and let the mid-20s up-and-coming get exposed and Seattle picks him. Right. So whose their next starter after Quick is done with the contract in two years??? Answer that question, you morons (not you guys here, you are all awesome, just the Twitter morons).
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Lists are out!
https://media.nhl.com/public/news/15205
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Cripes, I can't open that page. I guess everyone is clicking on it.
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It opened for me. It just took a bit.
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I don't think it's that much of a gamble to expose Price. That's a declining asset with a cap hit that would cripple an expansion team. There's no way they'll take him above any number of other goalies that cost a fraction. And even if Seattle fucks this up and does take Price, i think Montreal would be totally fine with clearing that boat anchor contract (not to mention being off the hook for that signing bonus).
I think a team would go with the 8-1 route if they feel the need to keep their top 4 D for some reason. I can't think of a team in that case though. Chicago in 2010 would be a situation where you might want to keep your D (Seabrook, Keith, Leddy, Hjalmarsson). Then again, they traded away Leddy and Hjalmarsson shortly after, so what the fuck do i know
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Heiskanen cashed in. I think $8.5M x 8 years will be a good deal for the Stars. That kid is gonna be a stud.
It is?
I don't know how I feel about it. I mean, he'll only be 29 when it expires so they do have him in his prime.
Charlie McAvoy is smiling somewhere. No way the Bruins give him anything close to that.
Very disappointed at the lack of list leaks last night.
I'm in the same camp on the Heiskanen contact. When i first read the headline, my reaction was who the hell is this kid earning 8M per season. That's Norris candidate money. If Heiskanen is worth 8+ then the Oilers will need to shell out well over 10M per season to keep Darnell Nurse
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Vegas is exempted from the expansion draft. They don't need to expose anyone.
This is such a load of bullshit. The Vegas expansion draft was designed to allow them to become immediately competitive (and they were), so there is ZERO reason to exempt them now.
I'm not surprised at all about the players listed except for one guy. I'm surprised if they decide to protect Brown. Mid-30s, one year left at $5.9M, best days clearly behind him (although he can still be very useful in certain situations and has played much better in the back half of his contract). He wasn't even protected in the Vegas draft (Kings went 4-4-1), but then again, his last three years prior to the Vegas draft was not very good (I'm sure some people thought at the time that contract was going to be bought out at some point in time, but the Kings will just let it ride to the end at this point).
Somehow, prior to Carey Price being exposed, apparently hockey Twitter was shocked that Quick was exposed. Yeah, apparently, the Kings should have protect their mid-30s goalie and let the mid-20s up-and-coming get exposed and Seattle picks him. Right. So whose their next starter after Quick is done with the contract in two years??? Answer that question, you morons (not you guys here, you are all awesome, just the Twitter morons).
Yeah...protecting Peterson over Quick was a no-brainer, and anyone expressing shock about that obviously had no clue what he/she was talking about. Protecting Brown is a surprise, and I wonder if the Kings and Seattle have worked out some sort of deal behind the scenes.
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I mean the owners are ok with Vegas being exempt since Vegas don’t get a slice of the expansion fee. All very stupid for the sake of money, but here we are.
The Kings should not make a deal at all with Seattle, unless they give the Kings a roster player of need in exchange for x, y, z. I look at the exposed list and I’m like, “all right, pick whoever and good luck to you. Probably win a fair amount of games against the Kings regardless of who you pick.”
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Leafs went the 8-1 route, choosing to protect Holl over Kerfoot. I think they're hoping Seattle will take Kerfoot. Even though he's on a pretty good contract ($3.5M AAV), the Leafs need every dollar they can get. Considering Holl is one of their shut-down D-men, and they had a very good year defensively, I can understand why they did that. I don't think there's any chance of losing Simmonds or Spezza (the latter has said he'll retire before he reports anywhere else), so it's an understandable choice.
And yeah, I keep forgetting the Knights are exempt. That is a pant-load of BS though. It made sense with the 2000 draft for Atlanta/Nashville to be exempt, as they were only 1 and 2 years old respectively.
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Seems Price's wife is from Washington.
Pierre Lebrun is reporting that the Kracken are seriously thinking about taking Price which means..
1. they want him, or
2. they're driving up the price for Montreal to keep him
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Here's an interesting wrench regarding Carey Price. Apparently, he may need surgery and could be out for a good portion of the season. Price and Weber takes up a combined $18M of cap space and the Habs depending on the state of when those guys are healthy (if they are healthy at all to play a game in the regular season) could spend that much trying to fill the void. This is why we have a LTIR system and teams could choose to exercise it to the max if it suits them. Oh well. Tampa did it. Montreal could do the same (and probably can make it look like it's a play to get Seattle to not take Price).
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I just skimmed through the lists finally. Preds, Leafs and Bolts were the only ones to protect 8 skaters, and Nashville protected 5 defencemen :omg: The Leafs had so many of their starting forwards as UFAs, I can understand it (as I mentioned above). Tampa basically knows they're going to lose one of their better forwards (amongst Palat, Killorn, Johnson and Gourde), and clearly figured that saw Cernak as a harder to replace - and I think that too is a smart move. They are going to HAVE to lose one or two (or three??) of those four forwards regardless. The can probably still keep Cernak - a big / tough / gritty blueliner.
The Nashville move surprises me. They clearly don't have a lot of confidence in their existing frontline.
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Flames leave Giordano exposed? Is he a UFA?
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He still has 1 year left, and a no trade clause which he must have waived. That's a head scratcher
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Flames need to revamp. They also need his cap space to do that, and probably weren’t going to extend or re-sign him.
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Whatever the Kraken are doing is airtight. Following the TSN guys' twitters and it's silence.
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I saw a retweet somewhere that it was leaked that something was being filmed from a fish market at Pike Place Market (which I actually spent a little bit of time walking around that area when I was in Seattle before the world shut down last year. it's an all right place.) I think it was leaked of someone chucking a fish that had a piece of paper attached to it and the guy that caught it, read the paper, and announced that Seattle's pick from the Leafs was going to be Kerfoot.
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You beat me by 10 minutes. jingle.son found this earlier. Ooof.
https://mobile.twitter.com/thehockeynews/status/1417507862247612420
Apparently the dude tried to negotiate a jersey to not post the video, but the Kraken didn't respond.
No biggie... that was the name pretty much everyone was expecting for the past few months.
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Wow! Weeksie!
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Flames need to revamp. They also need his cap space to do that, and probably weren’t going to extend or re-sign him.
Pierre Lebrun is that the Kraken grabbed Giordano, and passed on Price. I wonder if there was a side deal they made with the Habs to not take him.
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Flames need to revamp. They also need his cap space to do that, and probably weren’t going to extend or re-sign him.
Pierre Lebrun is that the Kraken grabbed Giordano, and passed on Price. I wonder if there was a side deal they made with the Habs to not take him.
Apparently they signed Adam Larsson, too, so that would give them a solid 2nd pair if Giordano's legs can keep up.
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I still think taking Price would be stupid - $10.5 for the next 5 years, when there are just as capable and better long-term (and younger) options out there. Think about it this way, if the Leafs hadn't choked away that 3-1 lead, would this even be a conversation? Too many people are still in the afterglow of the playoff run. This is a one-time event ... I don't see that being his consistent level of play for the next 5 years.
Larsen and Giordano give them a solid 1-2 on the blueline.
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Per SportingNews.com, here's what's being reported at the moment:
Anaheim Ducks - Haydn Fleury - D
Arizona Coyotes - Tyler Pitlick - RW
Boston Bruins - Jeremy Lauzon - D
Buffalo Sabres - Will Borgen - D
Calgary Flames - Mark Giordano - D
Carolina Hurricanes - Morgan Geekie - C/W
Chicago Blackhawks - ??
Colorado Avalanche - Joonas Donskoi - RW
Columbus Blue Jackets - Gavin Bayreuther - D
Dallas Stars - Jamie Oleksiak - D
Detroit Red Wings - ??
Edmonton Oilers - Adam Larsson - D
Florida Panthers - Chris Driedger - G
Los Angeles Kings - Kurtis MacDermid - D
Minnesota Wild - Carson Soucy - D
Montreal Canadiens - Cale Fleury - D
Nashville Predators - Calle Jarnkrok - C/W
New Jersey Devils - Nathan Bastian - RW
New York Islanders - Jordan Eberle - RW
New York Rangers - Colin Blackwell - C/W
Ottawa Senators - Joey Daccord - G
Philadelphia Flyers - Carsen Twarynski - LW
Pittsburgh Penguins - Brandon Tanev - LW
San Jose Sharks - Alexander True - C
St. Louis Blues - Vince Dunn - D
Tampa Bay Lightning - Yanni Gourde - C
Toronto Maple Leafs - Jared McCann - C/W
Vancouver Canucks - Kole Lind - RW
Washington Capitals - Vitek Vanecek - G
Winnipeg Jets - Mason Appleton - RW
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Huh. Kurtis MacDermid. All right. There was like 3-4 other names from the Kings I thought Seattle would pick thinking that they could thrive a lot better in Seattle than in LA. Kurtis MacDermid does not seem like one of them. However, if he somehow becomes a very effective player with the Kraken, well, I can't say I wouldn't see that coming given the Kings' luck at times.
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Shall be interesting to see how accurate this is. Wonder if they signed Driedger? They're putting a lot of faith in him to be the #1 guy (unless there is another plan). Quite surprised they didn't take a goalie with some more experience - all three of those netminders are 3 (or more) down the depth chart on their current teams.
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Huh. Kurtis MacDermid. All right. There was like 3-4 other names from the Kings I thought Seattle would pick thinking that they could thrive a lot better in Seattle than in LA. Kurtis MacDermid does not seem like one of them. However, if he somehow becomes a very effective player with the Kraken, well, I can't say I wouldn't see that coming given the Kings' luck at times.
I figured they would target Austin Wagner but will be happy if, in fact, they take MacDermid.
BTW, the source for the MacDermid pick is Frank Seravalli. Never heard of him, so I don't know the extent to which he's a good source.
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I'd say he's a top 5 insider. The Big 5 insiders (Cdn) would be him, Lebrun, Friedman, and Dreger, and Johnston.
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Man, I find it hilarious that Kenny Holland traded for Duncan Keith and left Adam Larsson exposed. Again, glad he's no longer Detroit's problem!! Speaking of the Wings, I love the fact that the Red Wings are the only team that hasn't leaked. Yzerman is a vault.
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Shall be interesting to see how accurate this is. Wonder if they signed Driedger? They're putting a lot of faith in him to be the #1 guy (unless there is another plan). Quite surprised they didn't take a goalie with some more experience - all three of those netminders are 3 (or more) down the depth chart on their current teams.
Without looking it up, I thought Vanecek played quite a bit this year.
Man, I find it hilarious that Kenny Holland traded for Duncan Keith and left Adam Larsson exposed. Again, glad he's no longer Detroit's problem!! Speaking of the Wings, I love the fact that the Red Wings are the only team that hasn't leaked. Yzerman is a vault.
But he would've had to have signed Larsson first, right? I suppose all teams took that chance with their UFA's. Maybe talks had broken down between them?
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Man, I find it hilarious that Kenny Holland traded for Duncan Keith and left Adam Larsson exposed. Again, glad he's no longer Detroit's problem!! Speaking of the Wings, I love the fact that the Red Wings are the only team that hasn't leaked. Yzerman is a vault.
Larsson was a pending UFA, so it wouldn't make sense to sign and protect him. It was clearly a gamble that Larsson wanted to stay in Edmonton, but kudos to Seattle for making the most of their advanced window to pitch woo at UFA's. On the bright side, most folks in town thought it was going to be an easy pick for Seattle to take Tyler Benson. He's a pretty high potential prospect on the cusp of being an NHL regular.
The Keith trade is still fucking stupid though.
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Larsson being left exposed was a risk for sure, same with Oleksiak I guess (though, to protect him, they would've had to go the 8 skater route).
Without looking it up, I thought Vanecek played quite a bit this year.
I did just look it up, and yeah... I guess he was a pretty admirable #2 guy backfilling for Samsonov's injuries.
Keith trade is stupid on all kinds of levels. Meet the new boss... same as the old boss
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Man….that roster is rough. I’m assuming Francis is going to try and flip some of those D men? Seems like a lot
I know people said the Knights roster was rough and they proved them wrong but the Kraken roster is pretty tame. IMO not one player in there you can get real excited about? Maybe that’s just me?
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Man….that roster is rough. I’m assuming Francis is going to try and flip some of those D men? Seems like a lot
I know people said the Knights roster was rough and they proved them wrong but the Kraken roster is pretty tame. IMO not one player in there you can get real excited about? Maybe that’s just me?
I like their D - Giordano, Dunn, Oleksiak and Larsson are a solid Top 4. But yeah, the forwards are pretty weak if Gourde, Eberle and Donskoi* is your #1 line.
With their cap only JUST over the minimum (I think I saw they are at $49.6M ... with 7 RFAs), I can't help but think they're going to go after a few UFAs. Also, I've heard a rumour that Eichel might be a target.
* Kemp's pronunciation was the best part of the whole draft. Also, now we know where Kemp's been all these years - keeping Barkley company at the buffet line.
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I was fine with the Blues losing Dunn. Seemed like he was one of those offensive defensemen who rarely scored, and if you are going to be that much of a defensive liability on the back end, you had better be scoring some goals, and he just wasn't coming through in that regard.
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Man, I find it hilarious that Kenny Holland traded for Duncan Keith and left Adam Larsson exposed. Again, glad he's no longer Detroit's problem!! Speaking of the Wings, I love the fact that the Red Wings are the only team that hasn't leaked. Yzerman is a vault.
A lot of people (read: those I have bothered to research) feel pretty positively towards how Yzerman is setting Detroit up for the coming years. He did an excellent job in Tampa and has always had a tremendous hockey sense, so I think he has a solid blueprint and strategy that he is implementing. It's really good to see him putting his signature on the team, apart from the simple joy of him being "where he belongs." It'll continue to be a rough several years, record-wise, but I think the team will grow.
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Man, I find it hilarious that Kenny Holland traded for Duncan Keith and left Adam Larsson exposed. Again, glad he's no longer Detroit's problem!! Speaking of the Wings, I love the fact that the Red Wings are the only team that hasn't leaked. Yzerman is a vault.
A lot of people (read: those I have bothered to research) feel pretty positively towards how Yzerman is setting Detroit up for the coming years. He did an excellent job in Tampa and has always had a tremendous hockey sense, so I think he has a solid blueprint and strategy that he is implementing. It's really good to see him putting his signature on the team, apart from the simple joy of him being "where he belongs." It'll continue to be a rough several years, record-wise, but I think the team will grow.
What's interesting to me is that I don't think he's simply duplicating what worked for him in Tampa. When he joined Tampa, they already had Stamkos and Hedman, which gave him the ability to fill in the rest of the roster around those two cornerstone pieces. It also helps that he turned the first round pick he got from the Wings in the Kyle Quincey trade into Andrei Vasilevsky! The Moritz Seider pick was a head scratcher when he made it, but he looks like a genius now. I'm very excited to see who he takes with their picks this year. I have the feeling, with so many of the Wings prospects playing in Europe this past season, that the Wings draft will be Euro heavy, both of European born skaters and North American kids who played overseas this year. Then again, Yzerman is a vault when it comes to giving away information, so who knows? I trust in the Yzer-Plan.
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I like their D - Giordano, Dunn, Oleksiak and Larsson are a solid Top 4. But yeah, the forwards are pretty weak if Gourde, Eberle and Donskoi* is your #1 line.
With their cap only JUST over the minimum (I think I saw they are at $49.6M ... with 7 RFAs), I can't help but think they're going to go after a few UFAs. Also, I've heard a rumour that Eichel might be a target.
They will have a pretty decent top four D corps....that's for sure. And good point about the Cap space. I would have thought that they'd try to make a splash or some sort of exciting grab on the first day to get fans pumped up. Maybe Francis has a plan and didn't/doesn't care about the spectacle. I have to think some trades/signings are coming in the next week or two.
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Well, damn. Shea Weber might be finished, for good: https://www.nhl.com/news/shea-weber-wont-play-for-montreal-in-2021-2022-season/c-325735104
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Rangers trade Buchnevich, because life has lost all meaning for me.
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Rangers trade Buchnevich, because life has lost all meaning for me.
yeah.....I'm digging that trade though for the Blues. Blais (when healthy) is a pesky forechecker who can drop in a few goals here and there and deliver some good hits....but he's just not engaged at all. I'll take this trade for sure.....sorry
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Not to be outdone, or is it out-dumbed, Philly sent their 2021 1st rd pick and 2022 2nd rd pick, plus Robert Hagg to Buffalo for Rasmus Ristolainen.
And the Canucks just got OEK and Michael Garland from the Coyotes for the 9th overall pick, Jay Beagle, Loui Eriksson, and Antoine Roussel.
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Coyotes are making some moves here. Taking in rough contracts and getting some picks in the process. They need those picks. They forfeited #11 due to violating the league's Combine Testing Policy last year and now they got #9 and all they needed to do is take in some rough contracts that will last a year and trade their bad contract that goes for five more years and what looks like the signing rights of a good player in Garland.
Yesterday, they also got Shayne Gostisbehere, 2022 2nd round pick (PHI), and 2022 7th round pick (STL) and Philly got the "Future Considerations" guy. That guy shows up everywhere, it seems.
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Moar trades!!!!! Exit Duncan Keith, enter Seth Jones for the Blackhawks.
(https://i.imgur.com/XQE2TqF.png)
Hard to tell if it's a lot to give. They only move down #20 positions in this year's draft, give up another 1st round pick next year or in 2023, a second round, and a prospect (who was their first round pick at #8 in 2018). The Kings was apparently in the hunt for Jones as well. I don't think I would have stomach giving that much for a year of that guy and who knows if he wants to stay after that year or go UFA.
Edit: Whistles...... apparently, the contract extension after next season is $9.5M x 8 years.......
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Detroit trades for Nedeljkovic; Bernier, a pending UFA, and a 3rd round pick, then sign Nedeljkovic to a 2 year contract.
That's pretty damn significant and potentially plugs a big hole in their goaltending prospects. Hell of a deal for Yzerman.
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^^ Wasn't done quite yet. Took Washington's first round pick and a few other picks to move up to #15 and nabbed a goalie prospect.
(https://i.imgur.com/yGMWGpG.png)
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Detroit trades for Nedeljkovic; Bernier, a pending UFA, and a 3rd round pick, then sign Nedeljkovic to a 2 year contract.
That's pretty damn significant and potentially plugs a big hole in their goaltending prospects. Hell of a deal for Yzerman.
It'll be a great deal if Nedeljkvovic can keep up that level of play, or even close to it. I'm not sure if the Jones deal a good contract for the Hawks or not. He's only 26, and D-men don't decline in the level of play as much as forwards seem to once they hit their 30s - hell, some of them get better!
Really surprised Eichel didn't move yesterday. I figured a 1st round pick would be part of any deal.
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well this was certainly a choice… https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/canadiens-make-shocking-dismaying-choice-select-mailloux-draft/
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Jones’ deal is ridiculous. He’s not that good, and by not good, he’s not 9.5m good.
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well this was certainly a choice… https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/canadiens-make-shocking-dismaying-choice-select-mailloux-draft/
Yup. Said, stupid choice just so they could take a French Canadian player. Stupid
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^^ I think it's more than just picking a French Canadian sounding name. The guy that got picked even stated to any teams considering it to not draft him. Bergevin knew that (and should know the ongoing baggage of the guy he picked), but that guy loves living on the edge of thinking he's a god or he's really one step away from being fired. It's hard to tell with him so he makes this kind of decision and causes all kinds of crap.
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Kraken don't play Sharks until mid December, Kings until mid January. They only come to Anaheim twice, the first is the same week the Seahawks come to LA, so I'll probably miss that. Not the schedule I was hoping for.
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Rangers trade Buchnevich, because life has lost all meaning for me.
yeah.....I'm digging that trade though for the Blues. Blais (when healthy) is a pesky forechecker who can drop in a few goals here and there and deliver some good hits....but he's just not engaged at all. I'll take this trade for sure.....sorry
You guys got a good one. Please treat him well.
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Darren Dreger is reporting Flower is on his way to Chicago via trade. Nothing given in return other than full salary going to Chicago.
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Darren Dreger is reporting Flower is on his way to Chicago via trade. Nothing given in return other than full salary going to Chicago.
Just read on The Athletic that Fleury is said to be ‘evaluating’ his future having only heard the news from Twitter…..nothing from the club.
So, what happens if he retires after he’s traded?
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Ovi back with the Caps for 5 x $9.5
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Rangers trade Buchnevich, because life has lost all meaning for me.
yeah.....I'm digging that trade though for the Blues. Blais (when healthy) is a pesky forechecker who can drop in a few goals here and there and deliver some good hits....but he's just not engaged at all. I'll take this trade for sure.....sorry
Yeah I'm sorry, but why did the Rangers make this trade? I thought Buchnevich was pretty good.
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Rangers trade Buchnevich, because life has lost all meaning for me.
yeah.....I'm digging that trade though for the Blues. Blais (when healthy) is a pesky forechecker who can drop in a few goals here and there and deliver some good hits....but he's just not engaged at all. I'll take this trade for sure.....sorry
Yeah I'm sorry, but why did the Rangers make this trade? I thought Buchnevich was pretty good.
And the Blues just signed him to 4 years.....$23.2 Million. $5.8 mil AAV. Pretty great deal for a solid player in the prime of his career.
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Rangers trade Buchnevich, because life has lost all meaning for me.
yeah.....I'm digging that trade though for the Blues. Blais (when healthy) is a pesky forechecker who can drop in a few goals here and there and deliver some good hits....but he's just not engaged at all. I'll take this trade for sure.....sorry
Yeah I'm sorry, but why did the Rangers make this trade? I thought Buchnevich was pretty good.
Perhaps making a play for a bigger name? Eichel?
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So..making room? OK, that makes sense.
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I feel like the window to get Eichel pre-season is done right now for any team, because the draft already passed by. I wouldn't be surprised if rumblings about it though come November. The Kings are "alleged" to be in on him and that #8 pick in the draft (which seems to yield a decent offensive defensemen prospect) would have been a nice piece of the trade in addition to maybe next year's first round pick, a decent roster player, and a good/top prospect. Therefore, since the draft already passed by, I can breathe a little knowing that the Kings won't get Eichel.
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Blackhawks continues to make a lot of moves. I'm trying to figure out why.
They traded to get Fleury and gave up an AHL player and then traded Seabrook's contract for Tyler Johnson of the Bolts. On top of that, the Bolts got rid of a contract that I heard that's not good for them and I think Seabrook is "retired" now so they will use his cap space for LTIR purposes for the next three years. My goodness, they are going to find a way to continue being competitive next season and exploit the cap rules to the brim again, aren't they?
(https://i.imgur.com/dpWpIqn.png)
Also, I'm sure many Golden Knight fans are pretty darn pissed that Fleury is gone.
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I made a quick demo of an intro/theme song I wrote for the Kraken. I wrote this all in my head and created it using SampleTank and Ableton Live, no instruments were used. I feel they should have their own scary theme music.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dme77pyVIirvLSm2ZdTt57yHPti79-zD/view?fbclid=IwAR0g-gr9fDyTXZ12qmdfNZLXiz1abcrwnp5Fb2X1fvakWfyPY7GFHWXIojM
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Lots of moves already. Gonna be a busy day watching the ticker.
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Hmmm. I was going into free agency thinking Rob Blake wouldn't make any big risky moves and all I read so far is that Andreas Athanasiou got resigned at $2.7M for a year. Not bad, not exciting.
Then I read on Capfriendly that the Kings signed Phillip Danault from Montreal at $5.5M for 6 years???
Hmmmm. Hard to say if I like this move. On the one hand, it would relief Kopitar on some certain responsibilities in their zone. However, the guy is not know to score a lot and this team desperately needs more scoring..... I'm puzzled.
On another note, should we create a new 2021-2022 thread in light of Free Agency frenzy?
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Schwartz to the Kraken for 5 years.....$5.5 mil a year. Good for him but man....that's a steep price for a streaky forward that is oft injured. He's a good PK guy but all in all I'm perfectly fine with the Blues turning the page on him. He's just not been good for four years now.
BUT...he was a beast in the Cup Run and folks are still holding onto that like he played like that all the time. They forget that until the playoffs that season was horrific for him. Anyway, I truly don't think the Blues will miss him at all as this frees up a spot for some younger talent to fill. Need to get to the next chapter and one way is not hanging onto aging veterans for sentimental sake.
I do think this is just another example of how the expansion process is a joke. Schwartz was exposed in the draft because he was a free agent.....the Kraken had an exclusive 48 hour period to speak with him which they did.....no contract or anything.....expansion hits and they take Dunn from the Blues then the next week they sign Schwartz. Definitely some BS going on but there is no rule in place to keep them from fleecing teams like that. They basically got two Blues for the price of one. If Dunn or Schwartz were more important I'd be upset but I'm perfectly fine with those two walking.
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Grubauer to the Kraken also huh? Wow. I feel really bad for the Avalanche :lol He was pretty much the reason they were as good as they were last season....he stole a LOT of games for them. It'll be interesting to see how they recover from that. Couldn't happen to a nicer owner. :biggrin:
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Grubauer to the Kraken also huh? Wow. I feel really bad for the Avalanche :lol He was pretty much the reason they were as good as they were last season....he stole a LOT of games for them. It'll be interesting to see how they recover from that. Couldn't happen to a nicer owner. :biggrin:
How do you really feel, Gary? :lol
The Avs are gonna have to make a play for something, and the pickings are pretty slim. Rask? Kuemper's name seems to keep coming up. Anyone else potential tradeable?
I'll post more thoughts on the day later.
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Rask isn't coming back until February of March. He just had hip surgery. And if he's uprooting his family, it's going to be to Finland.
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Rask isn't coming back until February of March. He just had hip surgery. And if he's uprooting his family, it's going to be to Finland.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
So with the loss of Halak, how's the backup situation in Beantown?
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Rask isn't coming back until February of March. He just had hip surgery. And if he's uprooting his family, it's going to be to Finland.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
So with the loss of Halak, how's the backup situation in Beantown?
Well, they signed Linus Ullmark, and they're going to give Jeremy Swayman a chance to be the backup. He played pretty well, and served as the backup for the playoffs last year. He's supposedly the goalie of the future.
Ullmark's record is pretty good, considering he was playing for Buffalo. I wonder why Buffalo didn't extend themselves on him.
Chad, here's a good synopsis:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/whats-going-on-with-the-bruins-goaltending-situation/ar-AAMGc2g?li=BBnbfcL
At least it explained why Vlader was traded.
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Rask isn't coming back until February of March. He just had hip surgery. And if he's uprooting his family, it's going to be to Finland.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
So with the loss of Halak, how's the backup situation in Beantown?
Well, they signed Linus Ullmark, and they're going to give Jeremy Swayman a chance to be the backup. He played pretty well, and served as the backup for the playoffs last year. He's supposedly the goalie of the future.
Ullmark's record is pretty good, considering he was playing for Buffalo. I wonder why Buffalo didn't extend themselves on him.
I think they did, but who the hell wants to be in Buffalo. Now they have no legit goalie, with Hutton bailing for the Coyotes - straight from one shit-show to another.
That was a good summary. I know the Flames were looking for a veritable backup for Markstrom.
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Ahhh, the smell of the end of the first day of Free Agency. Look at all of that money in circulation to be paid out in however long.
(https://i.imgur.com/0r4ei9F.png)
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Rough day for Canes fans here in Raleigh. The team went from a "Bunch of Jerks" in the ironic sense to a "Bunch of Jerks" in the literal sense. :lol
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Rough day for Canes fans here in Raleigh. The team went from a "Bunch of Jerks" in the ironic sense to a "Bunch of Jerks" in the literal sense. :lol
It could be worse, you could be a Habs fan.
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Gotta say I'm pretty happy with the Devils after day 1. We backed up the money truck for Dougie Hamilton, but it seems like he may actually live up to that value. Adding him and picking up Graves from Colorado ahead of the expansion draft is a huge injection of talent into our defense. Those two plus Severson and Smith could potentially be a really solid top four. Adding Bernier to be the 1B to Mackenzie Blackwood could also be big for us, over the last couple seasons we've earned points at basically a fringe playoff team pace with Blackwood in net and basically been the Detroit Red Wings with anybody else in goal.
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Hamilton is not a 9m player. Not even close. He’s definitely not an East Coast guy either. Sorry, Carolina doesn’t count. He begged out of Boston.
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Hamilton is not a 9m player. Not even close. He’s definitely not an East Coast guy either. Sorry, Carolina doesn’t count. He begged out of Boston.
Jersey could be a good fit though. He could slide into obscurity there if things aren't going well. He's definitely not worth $9M though, no argument there. Not even close.
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I was honestly completely surprised that Tyson Barrie re-signed in Edmonton. I thought for sure he'd have gone for a big contract someplace. This gives the Oil a good 3 year window to try to fill in the last few pieces to win a cup. With Leon and Conner hitting their prime years in the next 3-5, it's basically now or never.
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I was honestly completely surprised that Tyson Barrie re-signed in Edmonton. I thought for sure he'd have gone for a big contract someplace. This gives the Oil a good 3 year window to try to fill in the last few pieces to win a cup. With Leon and Conner hitting their prime years in the next 3-5, it's basically now or never.
Yeah, I thought he was shopping himself around for greener pastures - maybe there weren't any? However, you need goaltending even more than we need depth forwards.
Ok, so my thoughts ....
Players:
Hamilton contract is great for him, terrible for the Devils. He's a $6-$7 guy at most. D-men who are UFAs next year are licking their chops (see, Morgan Reilly, Darnell Nurse, Parayko, Werenski, McAvoy, Klingberg).
Dannault at $5.5 as a defensive specialist?? Is he really as good as he was in the playoffs? I don't think he's worth that kind of dough at that term.
I thought I saw that Krejci was re-signed? Capfriendly says otherwise??
Brayden Point - that's a great contract for Tampa. They are going to be contenders for years with the core of Kuch, Point, Vas, and Hedman/Sergechev.
Based on the TSN interview I saw after the fact, it seemed like Grubauer wanted out of Colorado for whatever reason.
When did Blake Coleman become a $5M player?
Laine still betting on himself I see. I can't help but think he's eventually gonna bust and end up either going to Europe, or being a $2M AAV kinda guy. I just don't see his fit with CBJ.
When did Bernier become a $4M AAV kinda goalie?
Alexander Wennberg - who??
Teams
Leafs did well to shore up the goalie tandem - quality player on a reasonable contract. I really think the loss of Bagosian will pretty big - a tough and hard player like that brings a lot to the defensive equation. I'm sure Tampa will be thrilled to have him back at $850k AAV for 3 years. Leafs are going to be fighting for a wildcard spot
Oil did well on the forwards; D and G are still a train-wreck. Which Mike Smith is going to be between the pipes?? Last year's, or the year before. Koskinen is a dumpster fire - player and contract. Ceci... what the hell, that guy is barely a #6 d-man. He was terrible in Toronto. Have fun with that!
Avs... they're fucked at G. Unless they grab Kuemper, Sakic has some work ahead of him to at least stay flat in between the pipes.
Carolina - I like their goalie signings. Couple of top notch goalies who underperformed last year. I think they easily are as good, if not better than what they let go.
Boston ... they are fucking solid again! Fuck me hard.
Winnipeg is now the best Canadian team.
Philly ... I wonder if the entire city is raging at Chuck Fletcher. I'm so glad the rumours of Martin Jones coming to Toronto didn't come true. *phew*
New Jersey ... added some good players, but overpaid big time.
St. Louis... Did Armstrong take a day-long nap yesterday?
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Danault at $5.5 as a defensive specialist?? Is he really as good as he was in the playoffs? I don't think he's worth that kind of dough at that term.
He will be worth it at that term if he's effective at shutting down guys like the McDavids, the Draisaitls, and the MacKinnons of the conference. Good luck on that one. Other than that, I don't think it's going to hurt the Kings much and it does give a bit of assurance knowing that we have a solid 2nd line Center for a certain period of time while guys like Vilardi and Byfield steps up in however long (hopefully soon, fingers crossed). Plus, as I stated before, I think the idea of signing Danault is to lessen the defensive zone burden that Kopitar has been handling and thus have Kopi use his minutes more in the o-zone and be more effective at scoring at his age? I don't think that route can be worth $5.5M a year, but the Kings are going to commit to it. We'll see what happens.
Avs... they're fucked at G. Unless they grab Kuemper, Sakic has some work ahead of him to at least stay flat in between the pipes.
They already nabbed Kuemper.
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Well there ya go. I hadn't followed todays news just yet. And I see that Washington really lost a no name Defencemen to the Kracken, getting Vanacek back by giving away a Wpg 2nd round draft pick they'd earlier traded for.
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Saad to the Blues….5 years @$4.5 a year. That’s a steal. Saad is a more consistent Schwartz……healthy, and a good defensive minded player.
I’m pretty happy with signing Saad and turning the page on Schwartz and Hoffman honestly.
Next up…..ship Tarasenko and call it even.
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That's another guy that the Kings probably should have considered. Could have spent less money and term for Saad instead..... They must really wanted Danault then.
Also, here's an interesting twist, despite losing to the Bolts twice in a row in the Cup Finals, Corey Perry has now signed with Tampa Bay.
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Saad to the Blues….5 years @$4.5 a year. That’s a steal. Saad is a more consistent Schwartz……healthy, and a good defensive minded player.
I’m pretty happy with signing Saad and turning the page on Schwartz and Hoffman honestly.
Guess someone woke Armstrong up. :lol
Next up…..ship buyout Tarasenko and call it even. suck it up
Fix'd.
Also, here's an interesting twist, despite losing to the Bolts twice in a row in the Cup Finals, Corey Perry has now signed with Tampa Bay.
He's doing the Marian Hossa!
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Also, here's an interesting twist, despite losing to the Bolts twice in a row in the Cup Finals, Corey Perry has now signed with Tampa Bay.
He's doing the Marian Hossa!
First thing I thought as well!
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Also, here's an interesting twist, despite losing to the Bolts twice in a row in the Cup Finals, Corey Perry has now signed with Tampa Bay.
He's doing the Marian Hossa!
First thing I thought as well!
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As someone who hasn’t followed hockey much since the 90s, does someone more familiar want to give me their personal assessment of how they feel the Kracken is doing in their acquisitions?
It sounds like we nailed down an incredible goaltender from what I’ve read, but I don’t know much about the rest of the team.
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As someone who hasn’t followed hockey much since the 90s, does someone more familiar want to give me their personal assessment of how they feel the Kracken is doing in their acquisitions?
It sounds like we nailed down an incredible goaltender from what I’ve read, but I don’t know much about the rest of the team.
The goaltending is going to be top notch. The top 4 defense looks pretty solid, and good camp of candidates to fill the third defence pair. Forwards is where you're the weakest - nothing stands out as a 'top' forward, but you've got good batch of B/B+ players up front. Given the weakness of the Pacific Division, I think there's a legitimate chance of finishing 3rd in the division and grabbing a playoff spot. I'd be very surprised if the 4th in the Pacific gets the wildcard.
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I, too, would be surprised if the Pacific gets a wildcard spot. I look at the Central division, and I see 7 teams (not Arizona since they are clearly going in the tank where they are acquiring bad, but expiring contracts after next season, and getting good picks for it) where I go, "Ok, they have some flaws, but their flaws aren't as terrible as the Pacific division teams' flaws." Five teams from the Central will make the playoffs.
The Kraken has a good fighting chance like all of the other teams to get that 3rd spot in the Pacific division (Golden Knights and Oilers, despite their questionable off-season moves, will cruise their way to the playoffs no matter what they do now, because of how bad the division is).
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I, too, would be surprised if the Pacific gets a wildcard spot. I look at the Central division, and I see 7 teams (not Arizona since they are clearly going in the tank where they are acquiring bad, but expiring contracts after next season, and getting good picks for it) where I go, "Ok, they have some flaws, but their flaws aren't as terrible as the Pacific division teams' flaws." Five teams from the Central will make the playoffs.
The Kraken has a good fighting chance like all of the other teams to get that 3rd spot in the Pacific division (Golden Knights and Oilers, despite their questionable off-season moves, will SHOULD cruise their way to the playoffs no matter what they do now, because of how bad the division is).
Agreed, except for the one modification I made. I still question the Oilers D and netminding. If it's 2019 Smith that shows up, they're screwed.
Tim/Joe ... what are we getting in Nick Ritchie?
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Tim/Joe ... what are we getting in Nick Ritchie?
He's kind of a stiff.
He was really only effective in the power play as he parked his fat ass in front of the net and banged home a bunch of goals. I think he had a career high in goals last year. He also won the Seventh Player Award, voted by the fans as the player that most exceeds expectations. With a few exceptions, the fans usually get this right. He was the most deserving, which proves that last year, there was really no one on the B's that exceeded expectations. But once the game speeds up, he's lost.
He's a big guy, but he's not really nasty, but he'll mix it up if he has too.
You're getting Ondrej Kase too, who could be a nice surprise, but he's been hurt with one thing or another during his entire year and a half here.
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Fleury is in for this season with Chicago.
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Fleury is in for this season with Chicago.
I love how that was even a thing? Dude has a contract...he was traded....you have to honor the contract. The fact that he was contemplating retiring rather than playing was BS in my mind. I'm glad he chose to play and all and honor his commitment but this shouldn't be viewed as some 'brave' move by him or something. It was close to being a dick move by not playing at all.
It'll be interesting to see how he performs under a 'lesser' team.
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Fleury is in for this season with Chicago.
I love how that was even a thing? Dude has a contract...he was traded....you have to honor the contract. The fact that he was contemplating retiring rather than playing was BS in my mind. I'm glad he chose to play and all and honor his commitment but this shouldn't be viewed as some 'brave' move by him or something. It was close to being a dick move by not playing at all.
It'll be interesting to see how he performs under a 'lesser' team.
I think you're really off base here Gary.
A contract sets the terms of what you can and cannot do, and for who, if you choose to play. It's not indentured servitude, anyone can choose to retire at any time for any reason.
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:iagree: ... With both of you
It would’ve been a dick move to retire ONLY because he was traded. Yes, anyone can retire at anytime, but a contract - while not indentured servitude as you say Nick - is a binding employment agreement, and doesn’t guarantee which team you are employed by.
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Fleury is in for this season with Chicago.
I love how that was even a thing? Dude has a contract...he was traded....you have to honor the contract. The fact that he was contemplating retiring rather than playing was BS in my mind. I'm glad he chose to play and all and honor his commitment but this shouldn't be viewed as some 'brave' move by him or something. It was close to being a dick move by not playing at all.
It'll be interesting to see how he performs under a 'lesser' team.
I think you're really off base here Gary.
A contract sets the terms of what you can and cannot do, and for who, if you choose to play. It's not indentured servitude, anyone can choose to retire at any time for any reason.
No, I get it Nick. But given there was zero retirement talk out of the Fleury camp prior to the trade and then the reports around the trade and how unhappy and shocked he was about it.....and that he was then contemplating retirement.....it seemed primarily based off of because he didn't want to play for a crappy team. Seemed like a pretty lame thing to do considering Fleury is known for being a stand up...nice fella. I was just glad to see he's honoring his commitment.
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Fleury is in for this season with Chicago.
I love how that was even a thing? Dude has a contract...he was traded....you have to honor the contract. The fact that he was contemplating retiring rather than playing was BS in my mind. I'm glad he chose to play and all and honor his commitment but this shouldn't be viewed as some 'brave' move by him or something. It was close to being a dick move by not playing at all.
It'll be interesting to see how he performs under a 'lesser' team.
I think you're really off base here Gary.
A contract sets the terms of what you can and cannot do, and for who, if you choose to play. It's not indentured servitude, anyone can choose to retire at any time for any reason.
No, I get it Nick. But given there was zero retirement talk out of the Fleury camp prior to the trade and then the reports around the trade and how unhappy and shocked he was about it.....and that he was then contemplating retirement.....it seemed primarily based off of because he didn't want to play for a crappy team. Seemed like a pretty lame thing to do considering Fleury is known for being a stand up...nice fella. I was just glad to see he's honoring his commitment.
But my understanding was that he didn't want to have to move his family, and had planned on settling them long term in the Vegas area. As a long time veteran, I would have no issue if he just decided to retire for that reason. Plenty of players retire mid contract for various reasons.
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And it's not like he wouldn't also be taking a big hit in the decision to retire. He's due 6m in actual money this year to play. Not like the old style contracts in which his final year is for 1-2m.
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This may be news to the general public, but given Fleury's age and tenure in the league, if Chicago gave up significant assets to get him without first having a discussion with him, they're idiots. And, if they didn't have that discussion, I wouldn't see it as a dick move at all if he had chosen to retire rather than uproot himself (and his family).
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Well, news have cooled off as expected, but I found out in an article from The Athletic that ESPN hired Torts as a studio analyst. I say that's a solid pick-up for what they hope they are going for. I don't think he would be angry Torts in the studio booth since he won't have a horse to back up, but he should all right in the role.
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Well, news have cooled off as expected, but I found out in an article from The Athletic that ESPN hired Torts as a studio analyst. I say that's a solid pick-up for what they hope they are going for. I don't think he would be angry Torts in the studio booth since he won't have a horse to back up, but he should all right in the role.
Torts is pretty good as an analyst. He did various stints while he was in between coaching jobs.
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I'm quietly, cautiously optimistic for ESPN's upcoming coverage. I had been watching some general YouTube NHL highlights lately and a lot of them are cobbled together sequences that pull from CBC, ESPN, NBC, and various local stations, etc. The differences are rather stark when shown abreast of each other. NBC lacked in almost all categories, even down to the camera work in some instances. Watching old ESPN footage, and almost any CBC coverage, really highlighted to me just how lacking NBC has been for the past however many years that contract was for.
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Devils add Tatar for two years. Love it, we have a few promising wingers in the pipeline who aren't quite ready for the NHL, and he can bridge the gap and allow Nico and Jack to play with some legit top 6 talent while the homegrown guys continue developing.
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That's not a bad deal at $4.5M AAV.
Hard to believe that Cizikas and Palmieri are still available. Wonder what Parise and Dubnyk are asking (holding out) for? Same with Chara. I don't see Thornton playing in the NHL. His 42 year old body barely made it through 44 games last year.
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I can see Joe Thornton playing another year if the Sharks give him a league min. deal and he's up for it. That's what they've been doing with Marleau. Probably be the only team that may give him a deal.
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My hope is that Thornton comes back and plays on a team that sucks and misses the playoffs or loses in heartbreaking fashion in the playoffs. :hat :hat
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My hope is that Thornton comes back and plays on a team that sucks and misses the playoffs or loses in heartbreaking fashion in the playoffs. :hat :hat
I'll get on that bandwagon. :hat
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Same with Chara.
I heard a rumor that the Blues had hoped to have this Tarasenko debacle solved by now and there was mutual interest in a one year deal with Chara around $800k. But they need some of that cash freed up. He and a former Blue who does a radio show now in StL share the same agent. Blues had hoped that he (Chara) could provide some grit and be a good teacher for a couple of the young D guys we have. I'd be fine with him coming onboard for a small stint.
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Nurse signed $8M/$74M :omg: :omg: :omg: What in the actual fuck. I'll bet Nurse's agent owes Hamilton's agent a Rolex or something. That's ridiculous.
Rich... what's the scuttlebutt up there on that contract?
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It seems like the trend this offseason is signing highly-value named defensemen at at least $9M and getting max term for it.
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Nurse signed $8M/$74M :omg: :omg: :omg: What in the actual fuck. I'll bet Nurse's agent owes Hamilton's agent a Rolex or something. That's ridiculous.
Rich... what's the scuttlebutt up there on that contract?
It's generally mixed feelings. Fanbase knew it was going to be expensive, but the hope was less than $9M per. The front half is probably ok if he continues to trend like he has the past couple seasons, but that back half....whoof, that's going to be an anchor.
Personally, I'm disappointed it didn't come in at 8 or 8.5, but only because this team is going to be in cap hell in 5 or 6 years. The contract isn't really surprising given what the Stars doled out for Heiskanen.
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Nurse signed $8M/$74M :omg: :omg: :omg: What in the actual fuck. I'll bet Nurse's agent owes Hamilton's agent a Rolex or something. That's ridiculous.
Rich... what's the scuttlebutt up there on that contract?
It's generally mixed feelings. Fanbase knew it was going to be expensive, but the hope was less than $9M per. The front half is probably ok if he continues to trend like he has the past couple seasons, but that back half....whoof, that's going to be an anchor.
Personally, I'm disappointed it didn't come in at 8 or 8.5, but only because this team is going to be in cap hell in 5 or 6 years. The contract isn't really surprising given what the Stars doled out for Heiskanen.
I can't help but believe that GMs are counting on the cap going up a fair amount in the coming years. I've no doubt that was factored into Dubas' plan with Toronto's 'big-4', and we all know how that's playing out - they've had to let every single mid-priced forward go (Marleau, JVR, Bozak, Kapanen, Johnssen, Hyman, Foligno) and rely far too much on young or old players at or around the league minimum.
Same thing is going to happen with Reilly next off-season.
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This was the talk among my former season ticket partners this morning (we didn't renew the 2019-2020 season, which turned out fantastic in hindsight). Generally not liking the deal.
(https://i.imgur.com/PJ3NwMq.png)
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Plus, Makar and Heiskanen have youth on their side.
I honestly think the Devils (with Hamilton) are to blame more than the others. Jones is already top 5 in the league (imo). Makar got nom'd for the Norris. I think Heiskanen is cut from the same mould as Makar.
Time will tell.
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^^ Watch Adam Fox of the Rangers get 8 digits in AAV for his next contract.
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^^ Watch Adam Fox of the Rangers get 8 digits in AAV for his next contract.
Right!?!?!
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I'm impressed of what the Lightning did in their off-season.
(https://i.imgur.com/UEnW3hc.png)
Sure, they lost like four guys from their cup-winning roster to either Free Agency, the expansion draft, or trade, but they were still make moves, sign guys to small deals, and be able to get 22 roster players and ready to go for the season and be Cap Compliant by $10k (Seabrook's contract which is now LTIR is at $6,875,000).
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RIP Tony Esposito
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RIP Tony Esposito
Yeah, I just saw that. We’re entering that time where our earliest idols will be passing on. :'(
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RIP Tony Esposito
Yeah, I just saw that. We’re entering that time where our earliest idols will be passing on. :'(
Just said this to my brother.
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RIP Tony Esposito
Yeah, I just saw that. We’re entering that time where our earliest idols will be passing on. :'(
Both sports and music. The next decade is going to be tough in that regard.
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Thornton is a Panther for a year.
https://www.nhl.com/news/joe-thornton-signs-deal-with-florida/c-325963208?tid=281072352
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Thornton is a Panther for a year.
https://www.nhl.com/news/joe-thornton-signs-deal-with-florida/c-325963208?tid=281072352
Man…..I can’t believe they wouldn’t or couldn’t find someone that would be a better fit. I get wanting ‘experience’ but the dude isn’t really useful anymore. Unless you’re just wanting the handful of cheap shots he will administer his year.
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Thornton is a Panther for a year.
https://www.nhl.com/news/joe-thornton-signs-deal-with-florida/c-325963208?tid=281072352
Man…..I can’t believe they wouldn’t or couldn’t find someone that would be a better fit. I get wanting ‘experience’ but the dude isn’t really useful anymore. Unless you’re just wanting the handful of cheap shots he will administer his year.
:lol
So true! Reminded me of this "fight" with Ryan Getzlaf. Two "leaders" trying to "fire up their teams." ::) ::) Couple of whiners mad about getting cheap shotted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki2ZKK9dLGQ
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Henrik Lundqvist retires from the game.
https://twitter.com/hlundqvist35/status/1428708803919364105?s=20
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Unsurprising. Should be a 1st ballot HOF inductee.
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While part of me is sad to see him retire, another part of me is happy that he never played an NHL game in another jersey. He’s one of the greatest Rangers of all time, and his number should be retired by the organization as soon as possible. No Ranger should wear the number 30 again. The impact he had on the team and the city can never be overstated. He will always be the King of New York.
EDIT: The Rangers officially announced that they will retire Lundqvist’s number this season.
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EDIT: The Rangers officially announced that they will retire Lundqvist’s number this season.
:tup :tup
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EDIT: The Rangers officially announced that they will retire Lundqvist’s number this season.
:tup :tup
It's a shame he wasn't able to win a Cup with the Rangers. I was rooting pretty hard for them in 2014 against the Kings. It always seemed like he was the primary reason those Rangers teams were competitive in the first place. I always wish he had ended up in the Swedish Mafia in Detroit.
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First off, this is not meant to imply that it was his fault they did not win a Cup, but are we sure that Lundqvist is a no-brainer HOFer? 0 Cups and only 1 Vezina doesn't exactly scream Hall of Famer to me when it comes to goalies. Goalies are like QB's are to football, meaning that championships, fair or not, count for a lot, and if you don't have any, you had better have some ridiculous regular season accomplishments (see: Dan Marino) to be a no-brainer for the Hall, IMO. And I am not sure Lundqvist passes the sniff test in that regard. Not saying he is not a HOFer by any means, just that he's one I have to give some thought to and do a little digging.
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First off, this is not meant to imply that it was his fault they did not win a Cup, but are we sure that Lundqvist is a no-brainer HOFer? 0 Cups and only 1 Vezina doesn't exactly scream Hall of Famer to me when it comes to goalies. Goalies are like QB's are to football, meaning that championships, fair or not, count for a lot, and if you don't have any, you had better have some ridiculous regular season accomplishments (see: Dan Marino) to be a no-brainer for the Hall, IMO. And I am not sure Lundqvist passes the sniff test in that regard. Not saying he is not a HOFer by any means, just that he's one I have to give some thought to and do a little digging.
These are my feelings as well, and I've always thought the whole "King" nickname was pretty amusing for a guy who only made one SCF and didn't win.
Looking at all-time GAA leaders, Lundqvist is #23. That's pretty good...until you consider that two of the three guys immediately ahead of him are Manny Legace and Cory Schneider. Of the top 22 (i.e., the guys ahead of Lundqvist) who are not active, six are not in the HOF (and the real number is probably eight because Ben Bishop and Cory Schneider both show up as active despite not having played in the NHL in 2020-21. Also, the six active guys immediately behind Lundqvist aren't in the HOF.
Looking at save percentage, Lundqvist is #10. Of the nine guys ahead of him, two are active (Rask and Vasilevskiy), four are in the HOF, one is Ben Bishop (again), and the other two are Tim Thomas (not gonna make it) and Roberto Luongo (likely gonna make it when eligible).
Career wins? Luongo is #6. Of the five guys ahead of him, three are in the HOF, and the other two are Luongo and Fleury (a shoe-in for the HOF). Of the next seven guys after Lundqvist, five are in the HOF, and the other two are CuJo and Chris Osgood.
Lundqvist's numbers in the playoffs were generally better than his regular season numbers (except for win percentage, which was significantly worse).
He'll get in, but I don't think it's quite as much of a no-brainer as "no doubt first ballot."
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He was the top goalie in the league for several years in an era with better goalies than ever. And look at the guys he’s had to stop pucks from. Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Giroux, Kane, Stamkos, McDavid, Tavares, Matthews, MacKinnon, and so many other great players. In an era with more superstar talent spread throughout the league than ever before, Lundqvist consistently frustrated every team he played against. He stole games that the Rangers really had no business winning, standing on his head and bringing an era of sustained success to MSG that New York hockey fans had never seen before. Unfortunately one guy can’t win a championship, and the team that he gave everything to couldn’t bring him the championship that he deserved. Make no mistake about it though, with or without a Stanley Cup, he is still one of the greatest goalies to ever play the game.
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EDIT: The Rangers officially announced that they will retire Lundqvist’s number this season.
:tup :tup
It's a shame he wasn't able to win a Cup with the Rangers. I was rooting pretty hard for them in 2014 against the Kings. It always seemed like he was the primary reason those Rangers teams were competitive in the first place. I always wish he had ended up in the Swedish Mafia in Detroit.
If I'm honest, when it was down to the conference finals in 2014, despite rooting for the Kings, the Rangers were the one team I really had no issues with winning the cup (mainly due to Lundqvist) since I really didn't want to see Blackhawks or Habs win it.
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To play Devil's Advocate a little more, if he was really the top goalie in the league for years, why didn't he win more than 1 Vezina? Heck, he was only All-NHL first team once and All-NHL second once, meaning only twice was he considered one of the top two goalies in the league that season.
As for better goalies than ever, not sure about that. Maybe there are good goalies, but there are less great ones, ones who have longevity. Since I started watching hockey, Roy, Brodeur and Hasek are the three best by a massive distance. Not sure who is 4th, but whoever it is is lagging by a margin to large too calculate.
Roy - 4 Cups, 3 Conn Smythes, 3 Vezinas
Brodeur - 3 Cups, 0 Conn Smythes, 4 Vezinas
Hasek - 2 Cups, 0 Conn Smythes, 6 Vezinas
Lundqvist - 0 Cups, 0 Conn Smythes, 1 Vezina
But it is probably unfair to compare him to the three best ever, so let's compare him to his peers from his own era.
Lundqvist - 0 Cups, 0 Conn Smythes, 1 Vezina
Price - 0 Cups, 0 Conn Smythes, 1 Vezina
Fleury - 3 Cups, 0 Conn Smythes, 1 Vezina
Bobrovsky - 0 Cups, 0 Conn Smythes, 2 Vezinas
Thomas - 1 Cup, 1 Conn Smythe, 2 Vezinas
Vasilevskiy - 2 Cups, 1 Conn Smythe, 1 Vezina
Quick - 2 Cups, 1 Conn Smythe, 0 Vezina
So, he really doesn't even stand out in his own era. Sure, there is more to it, but, again, I am not arguing that he is not a Hall of Famer, merely that he is not a lock.
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Perhaps not a lock on statistics, but I think he’ll also get a sentimental swing to his votes. I think Luongo is the most accurate “comp”.
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Here's an interesting note about Lundqvist's draft year. He was drafted in 2000 at #205. Round 7. You know never what you can find in those later rounds. You can probably find a golden goalie that can keep your franchise in a deep playoff run hunt for a lengthy period of time. The guy that got drafted at #1? Goalie Rick DiPietro of the Islanders who got bought out and then is paid $1.5 million a year for 16 years due to the buyout since 2013. Probably sucks for him that he couldn't play healthy till the end of his contract, but getting paid $1.5 million a year for 16 years and not have to do anything for it sounds nice.
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Lundqvist is easily a first ballot HOFer. I've always thought of him as a tad overrated, but it's not a hill I'd die on over.
To play Devil's Advocate a little more, if he was really the top goalie in the league for years, why didn't he win more than 1 Vezina? Heck, he was only All-NHL first team once and All-NHL second once, meaning only twice was he considered one of the top two goalies in the league that season.
As for better goalies than ever, not sure about that. Maybe there are good goalies, but there are less great ones, ones who have longevity. Since I started watching hockey, Roy, Brodeur and Hasek are the three best by a massive distance. Not sure who is 4th, but whoever it is is lagging by a margin to large too calculate.
Roy - 4 Cups, 3 Conn Smythes, 3 Vezinas
Brodeur - 3 Cups, 0 Conn Smythes, 4 Vezinas
Hasek - 2 Cups, 0 Conn Smythes, 6 Vezinas
Lundqvist - 0 Cups, 0 Conn Smythes, 1 Vezina
But it is probably unfair to compare him to the three best ever, so let's compare him to his peers from his own era.
Lundqvist - 0 Cups, 0 Conn Smythes, 1 Vezina
Price - 0 Cups, 0 Conn Smythes, 1 Vezina
Fleury - 3 Cups, 0 Conn Smythes, 1 Vezina
Bobrovsky - 0 Cups, 0 Conn Smythes, 2 Vezinas
Thomas - 1 Cup, 1 Conn Smythe, 2 Vezinas
Vasilevskiy - 2 Cups, 1 Conn Smythe, 1 Vezina
Quick - 2 Cups, 1 Conn Smythe, 0 Vezina
So, he really doesn't even stand out in his own era. Sure, there is more to it, but, again, I am not arguing that he is not a Hall of Famer, merely that he is not a lock.
He's a definite lock.
Safe to say he never played on a team that any of the guys you listed played on.
Again, I think he's a tad overrated, but I'd never hold his lack of a Cup against him.
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Here's an interesting note about Lundqvist's draft year. He was drafted in 2000 at #205. Round 7. You know never what you can find in those later rounds. You can probably find a golden goalie that can keep your franchise in a deep playoff run hunt for a lengthy period of time. The guy that got drafted at #1? Goalie Rick DiPietro of the Islanders who got bought out and then is paid $1.5 million a year for 16 years due to the buyout since 2013. Probably sucks for him that he couldn't play healthy till the end of his contract, but getting paid $1.5 million a year for 16 years and not have to do anything for it sounds nice.
Ah, so he is hockey's Bobby Bonilla. :lol :biggrin:
Lundqvist is easily a first ballot HOFer. I've always thought of him as a tad overrated, but it's not a hill I'd die on over.
He's a definite lock.
Safe to say he never played on a team that any of the guys you listed played on.
Again, I think he's a tad overrated, but I'd never hold his lack of a Cup against him.
I am not holding it against him per se, merely pointing out that his lack of regular season dominance is a bit more glaring without any Cups (in the context of calling him a lock for the Hall). I don't think anyone would say Fleury has been a dominant regular season goalie all-time, but he has 3 Cup wins, so he will get in. Fair or not, Cup victories do matter when it comes to goalies and the Hall of Fame, similar to Super Bowl wins and QB's. Some actually think Chris Osgood is a legit Hall of Fame candidate, and his Cup success is the only reason why.
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He was the top goalie in the league for several years in an era with better goalies than ever. And look at the guys he’s had to stop pucks from. Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Giroux, Kane, Stamkos, McDavid, Tavares, Matthews, MacKinnon, and so many other great players. In an era with more superstar talent spread throughout the league than ever before, Lundqvist consistently frustrated every team he played against. He stole games that the Rangers really had no business winning, standing on his head and bringing an era of sustained success to MSG that New York hockey fans had never seen before. Unfortunately one guy can’t win a championship, and the team that he gave everything to couldn’t bring him the championship that he deserved. Make no mistake about it though, with or without a Stanley Cup, he is still one of the greatest goalies to ever play the game.
THE top goalie? I don't think so. As Kev pointed out, he only won one Vezina, and his post season accolades are, at best, pedestrian when compared to others of his era. However, for his first ten years in the league, he never finished lower than 7th in Vezina voting. I only looked at the years Lundqvist was active, and no one else during that time had that kind of consistency (Luongo came close). But there was (almost) always someone better. Initially, it was Kiprusoff and Brodeur. Then you had Tim Thomas and Ryan Miller. Then Price and Bobrovsky. Even the year he won the Vezina, he was outshined by Jonathan Quick, who, despite having an inferior team around him, had a better GAA and SV% and who put his team on his back to win the Stanley Cup and the Conn Smythe.
I don't think that, in the last 15 years (or maybe just the time since Brodeur retired) there has been A top goalie in the NHL. But Lundqvist was probably the most consistently really good goalie for a decade-plus, and that definitely makes him HOF-worthy. I don't put any stock in "first ballot," though, and figure whether he gets in on the first ballot depends on who else becomes eligible when he does.
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RIP Jimmy Hayes.
Fucking 31 y/o.
WTF??
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Rod Gilbert passed away as well.
https://www.nhl.com/news/rod-gilbert-dies-at-80-hall-of-fame-forward-with-rangers/c-326007750
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Not NHL, but that was a great Gold Medal game last night. Did the ladies get any espouse down south?
Parayko at 8/52 is a great deal, imo
Isles finally announced their signings. Not surprising, and those are some great players they have locked up.
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Looking at the Blues' cap space on CapFriendly, they only got one more RFA to sign (Robert Thomas) and only $1.5M of Cap Space left. You guys think that gets the job done or are they still hopeful that they can trade Tarasenko and free up some space?
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I can’t see anyone taking him at face value. You’d think the Blues will need to eat part of his AAV.
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Not NHL, but that was a great Gold Medal game last night. Did the ladies get any espouse down south?
Espouse?
I didn't even know this was happening, so it's certainly not well publicized. I just looked at the U.S. roster, and there's one player who's five months YOUNGER than my son, and that kinda bums me out. :)
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Exposure. Damn auto-correct, and not proof-reading!
Too bad, it was a very good game.
I always thought I was getting old when top tier sports athletes were younger than me .... now it's getting to the point where (as you say) they are younger than my kids!
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I always thought I was getting old when top tier sports athletes were younger than me .... now it's getting to the point where (as you say) they are younger than my kids!
Right?!
I think Chris Chelios was the last active NHL player who was older than me. Omar Vizquel was the last active MLB player older than me, and there was probably an NFL punter who was the last NFL player older than me.
I think there were a couple kids at the 2018 Olympics younger than my son.
Is Cheryl Bernard still competing? :heart :heart
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I'll throw this here..
https://www.tsn.ca/ohl-suspends-montreal-first-round-pick-logan-mailloux-indefinitely-1.1688988
What do you guys think of the Logan Mailloux situation?
As a 17 y/o playing in Sweden, he took a picture of a girl in a sex act with him and showed it to his teammates. He paid a fine, basically pleading guilty. he recused himself from this year's draft, yet the Canadiens still drafted him. PM Trudeau said they displayed a lack of judgement.
He has said all of the right things.
Now the OHL suspends him.
Maybe the girl's father would want him to burn in hell, but WTF?? Sure, what he did was shitty, but he didn't rape the girl. At what point do we give the kid a break and let him get on with his life?
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I'll throw this here..
https://www.tsn.ca/ohl-suspends-montreal-first-round-pick-logan-mailloux-indefinitely-1.1688988
What do you guys think of the Logan Mailloux situation?
As a 17 y/o playing in Sweden, he took a picture of a girl in a sex act with him and showed it to his teammates. He paid a fine, basically pleading guilty. he recused himself from this year's draft, yet the Canadiens still drafted him. PM Trudeau said they displayed a lack of judgement.
He has said all of the right things.
Now the OHL suspends him.
Maybe the girl's father would want him to burn in hell, but WTF?? Sure, what he did was shitty, but he didn't rape the girl. At what point do we give the kid a break and let him get on with his life?
All I can say is that I'm extremely grateful this technology didn't exist during my teenage years. Was what he did a crappy, horrible thing to do? Taking vids like this and sharing nudes seems to be the thing 'the kids these days' are doing. I would be livid if this was my daughter.....I'd be livid if my son did something like that.....but as a pretty wise person once said.....let those of us who have not sinned cast the first stone.
He doesn't deserve to have his livelihood stolen from him but it looks like at this point in time that is what will happen to him.
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I'll throw this here..
https://www.tsn.ca/ohl-suspends-montreal-first-round-pick-logan-mailloux-indefinitely-1.1688988
What do you guys think of the Logan Mailloux situation?
As a 17 y/o playing in Sweden, he took a picture of a girl in a sex act with him and showed it to his teammates. He paid a fine, basically pleading guilty. he recused himself from this year's draft, yet the Canadiens still drafted him. PM Trudeau said they displayed a lack of judgement.
He has said all of the right things.
Now the OHL suspends him.
Maybe the girl's father would want him to burn in hell, but WTF?? Sure, what he did was shitty, but he didn't rape the girl. At what point do we give the kid a break and let him get on with his life?
Well, if the girl was under 18 we'd can that distributing child pornography in Canada. OHL has every right to suspend him, and I'm glad they did. Trying to defend him by saying he's said all the right things and paid a fine is a terrible message. You clearly don't have any daughters.
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I'll follow that up with adding that Trudeau should keep his mouth shut. And before you ask, yes, i did vote for him
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I'll follow that up with adding that Trudeau should keep his mouth shut. And before you ask, yes, i did vote for him
Yeah, JT should focus on getting his own house in order.
I don't have a problem with the suspension. Given he was simply "on loan" to the Swedish team, the OHL is very much onside to do this.
I guess my question is "how fast do we give the kid a break and let him get on with his life?" Is a year enough to just sweep it under the rug? 2? I don't have an answer, but I'm not bent out of shape over the suspension. I believe Bergevin is known to be a bit of a womanizer himself, so drafting him just to get a francophone in the draft was a POS move, especially when the kid announced no team should draft him.
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NHL is back in the Winter Olympics.
https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-players-will-participate-in-2022-beijing-olympics/c-326072268
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Sweet. Now we can plan out our fantasy rosters for the countries. I honestly don't care about whose in it. All the major players (US, Canada, Sweden, Finland, etc.) should have competitive enough rosters.
Problem is the games are going to be held at like 2-3 AM in the Pacific. I will have to find a way stay awake for those. 20 day season pause though. Wow.
This piece in the announcement below may be critical I feel.
The agreement allows for the possibility of a later decision to withdraw in the event evolving COVID-19 conditions are deemed by the NHL and NHLPA to render participation by NHL players to be impractical or unsafe.
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That's about the standard Olympic break. It's obviously in the NHLs best interest, commercially at least, to have a presence in China. Connor McDavid, among many other superstar young players, will be making their Olympic debut. This will be great for the league considering the nearly 2B people in China.
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I could have sworn it was shorter. Like it was 15 days. Granted, I get it with the All-Star break and the quarantine protocols and stuff like that.
Anywho, the Athletic have come up with their projected teams list for the main countries that looks to be the favorites. As a Kings fan, I probably would have very little interest since there's only one guy that could look like he can crack a roster spot and he hasn't even played a game for the team yet. I mean I get it. Slovenia is probably not in this so no Kopitar. Quick and Brown is too old and probably not good enough to overtake someone in the US roster. Doughty though.... I get that he is a very vocal person and that people think that his play does not warrant the cap hit and all, but when there's a fire lit up in him, he can still play at a solid level that a lot of teams would want in a top defensemen. Canada is Canada though and they have high expectations and probably would lean towards being a little younger. This projection doesn't have Stamkos for Team Canada.
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I'd take Stamkos over everyone in the bottom 6 on the chart
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Fuck those are some stacked looking teams. Really surprised at Bobs AND Sorokin not being pegged for team Russia. Stamkos is an injury risk. I don't see JT making team Canada (so over-rated). Where is Werenski on Team USA!?!?! That Defense is stacked.
Teams need balance an 'role' players - the don't need the top 12 scorers from their nation. That's why O'Reilly and Stone will make Team Canada.
TBH, Canada looks kinda weak. On paper I'd rank those lineups
USA
Russia
Canada
Sweden
Finland
Gonna be some damned fine hockey come February. It's been too long since we've seen best-on-best in the world.
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Fuck off, Chad. Canada is not going to have a weak team like the Turino Olympics.
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Fuck off, Chad. Canada is not going to I've a weak team like the Turino.
When I say "weak", it's relative - to the other countries, and to their past teams. I think they could be hard pressed to medal.
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Well, in other off-season news, another member of the Canadiens left yesterday. Jesperi Kotkaniemi agreed to an offer sheet for one year, $6.1M to the Hurricanes last week. Habs decided to not match and now Kotkaniemi is with the Canes. Habs gets the Canes' 1st round and 3rd round picks for not matching the offer sheet. In response, the Habs traded for Christian Dvorak of the Coyotes in exchange for a 1st and a 2nd with a lot of confusing conditions with those picks. After taking in that contract of $4.45M, the Habs are now over the cap by $6.7M, but Shea Weber will be on LTIR so they are set for the season.
Say what you want about the Habs, they still have 11 picks for the 2022 draft and they probably got a decent enough team to make it to the playoffs even with all of the losses they had to their roster. We'll see since the Atlantic looks to be a tough draw for them.
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Well, in other off-season news, another member of the Canadiens left yesterday. Jesperi Kotkaniemi agreed to an offer sheet for one year, $6.1M to the Hurricanes last week. Habs decided to not match and now Kotkaniemi is with the Canes. Habs gets the Canes' 1st round and 3rd round picks for not matching the offer sheet. In response, the Habs traded for Christian Dvorak of the Coyotes in exchange for a 1st and a 2nd with a lot of confusing conditions with those picks. After taking in that contract of $4.45M, the Habs are now over the cap by $6.7M, but Shea Weber will be on LTIR so they are set for the season.
Say what you want about the Habs, they still have 11 picks for the 2022 draft and they probably got a decent enough team to make it to the playoffs even with all of the losses they had to their roster. We'll see since the Atlantic looks to be a tough draw for them.
Going back to the traditional format, I don't see how they make the playoffs. They were punching WAY out of their weight-class with that playoff run. I can't see that roster (they have precisely zero depth at center - who's #1, or #2 for that matter between Hoffmann, Suzuki, and Dvorak) putting together enough points to get ahead of Boston and Toronto, and/or whoever is going to finish 4th/5th in the Metro.
I've been meaning to mention that Kotkaniemi signing - Waddell/Hurricanes did a masterful job trolling the Habs last week - releasing the exact same statement the Habs made when the offer sheet'd Aho, giving Kotkaniemi a $20 signing bonus (Aho's number), and then tweeting in (and changing their twitter BIO to) French.
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Somebody not named Schecter go start the 2021-22 thread. Training camp is nearly upon us!
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Sure, I can take a shot at making the new thread. I got a subheadline in mind.