Why is Alex listed last in the thread title?? :censored :censored
Rush: a pretty good band
I really want to see them on this tour. I don't know if I'll be able to make it though. :(Feel for you, the nearest show is 2 and a half hours away and tickets start at 80-something bucks.
Why is Alex listed last in the thread title?? :censored :censored
Save the best for last! :tup
I may go to one of the last three Texas dates....but I'm worried about Geddy's voice at that point.
Old man happy scream!Better take your teeth out first before you shoot them accross the room! :D
I'm looking forward to some more European tour dates, hoping that I will finally get to see Rush live for once.I don't think that we will see more european dates. Guess you will have to travel to see them live. Just like me.
Another funny story ytse. I have a friend who is a pharmacist in Manchester NH. Some guy told him he's just started a tour and needs something to help him sleep while on the buss. It's too bumpy he told him. My buddy asked if he was with Rush and he told him yes. He pulled out his ticket for Friday and the guy told him to give him his name and he will have two great seats for him waiting at the box office under my bud's name.
How cool is that?!
Another funny story ytse. I have a friend who is a pharmacist in Manchester NH. Some guy told him he's just started a tour and needs something to help him sleep while on the buss. It's too bumpy he told him. My buddy asked if he was with Rush and he told him yes. He pulled out his ticket for Friday and the guy told him to give him his name and he will have two great seats for him waiting at the box office under my bud's name.
How cool is that?!
Another funny story ytse. I have a friend who is a pharmacist in Manchester NH. Some guy told him he's just started a tour and needs something to help him sleep while on the buss. It's too bumpy he told him. My buddy asked if he was with Rush and he told him yes. He pulled out his ticket for Friday and the guy told him to give him his name and he will have two great seats for him waiting at the box office under my bud's name.
How cool is that?!
Another funny story ytse. I have a friend who is a pharmacist in Manchester NH. Some guy told him he's just started a tour and needs something to help him sleep while on the buss. It's too bumpy he told him. My buddy asked if he was with Rush and he told him yes. He pulled out his ticket for Friday and the guy told him to give him his name and he will have two great seats for him waiting at the box office under my bud's name.
How cool is that?!
my question: how did this guy have tickets for Rush but didn't recognize one of the members? :P
Great to see Rush win album of the year! But how can they award it yet when its only September lol
Wait, Downes was really upset about that? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
What a great set list and a great show!! They sounded great. Too tired to post so I will tomorrow!
Quick note: A thread like this is bound to have spoilers, stay out if you don't want things ruined.
-4 songs from Power Windows!!!!!!! Territories being one of them! YES!!!!!!!!I love it when a band decides to shake things up like this. The choices from Power windows are absolutely awesome, I can't wait to see those songs. :hefdaddy
-Only one song from the 70s (Working Man) is gonna piss a lot of people off.
Am I a bad Rush fan if I say that that setlist, CA songs aside, does nothing for me whatsoever? 80's Rush is fine, but I'm not elated that they're playing half of Power Windows, for instance.
As for the set list having a very few pre-Signals songs... Well, where were you on the Time machine tour? It always bothers me when people go ''Where are all the classics?'' when the band actually played pretty much only the classics on the previous tour. It's OK if you weren't able to catch one of the shows, but it's not the band's fault.
Am I a bad Rush fan if I say that that setlist, CA songs aside, does nothing for me whatsoever? 80's Rush is fine, but I'm not elated that they're playing half of Power Windows, for instance.
Um, yes. :biggrin:
Also, I was hanging out with a friend last night (he is a few years older than me, has been a Rush fan since the late 70s, and seen them on every tour since '77 or '78, I think), and when we checked out the set list on twitter, his comment was, "Worst set list ever." :lol :lol :lol He couldn't get past there being nothing from 2112, AFTK or Hemispheres,Why would he care? I don't get it, I'm sure he already saw these songs dozens of times before. If I were him I wouldn't mind seeing Rush playing my least favorite Rush songs. Man, I'm so trilled about this setlist but at the same time very sad that not a lot of people share the excitement with me...
Also, I was hanging out with a friend last night (he is a few years older than me, has been a Rush fan since the late 70s, and seen them on every tour since '77 or '78, I think), and when we checked out the set list on twitter, his comment was, "Worst set list ever." :lol :lol :lol He couldn't get past there being nothing from 2112, AFTK or Hemispheres,Why would he care? I don't get it, I'm sure he already saw these songs dozens of times before. If I were him I wouldn't mind seeing Rush playing my least favorite Rush songs. Man, I'm so trilled about this setlist but at the same time very sad that not a lot of people share the excitement with me...
A member of the Counterparts message board posted that they had seen a copy of the set list from one of the road crew, including song swaps for the alternating nights of the tour. Here it is:
1 Body Electric dropped for Middletown Dreams
2 Bravado for The Pass
3 Carnies for Seven Cities
4 Manhattan Project for Dreamline
5 Spirit of Radio for 2112
I'm not buying that. I wouldn't be surprised if they swap in a few songs every other night, but several of those exact switches wouldn't make a lot of sense. I don't see them swapping out The Spirit of Radio every other night, and it wouldn't make much sense for them to bring back songs like The Body Electric, Middletown Dreams and Manhattan Project, and then only play them every other night.
Dreamline for The Big Money or Force Ten would make more sense.
Considering Manhattan Project is a natural with the live strings, Middletown Dreams and Grand Designs seems more of a likely swap.
Since Limelight was the song they deemed drop-worthy in the encore last night in light of having to cut the set a tad short, I think 2112 would be swapped with that, not The Spirit of Radio.
Bravado for The Pass makes total sense, as does Seven Cities of Gold for one of the other CA songs.
Finally home, review in a few hours god willing.
I highly doubt after all these years of static setlists they swap FIVE songs from night to night. Even on the first leg of Snakes it was 1 song rotating. But if they do I looked and Philly would be a "B" night, so woot.
The time they can't tour in NM this leg they play my favorites.
I'm going to see them for the first time October 16 in Toronto. Anyone else going?
Still on road, but just wanna say I'll take a once in a blue moon lerxst on stage joke to Limelight any time.
Finally home, review in a few hours god willing.A member on The Rush Forum confirmed that they will be swapping the 5 songs. I'm taking his word for it because everything he said about CA turned out to be true.
I highly doubt after all these years of static setlists they swap FIVE songs from night to night. Even on the first leg of Snakes it was 1 song rotating. But if they do I looked and Philly would be a "B" night, so woot.
Finally home, review in a few hours god willing.A member on The Rush Forum confirmed that they will be swapping the 5 songs. I'm taking his word for it because everything he said about CA turned out to be true.
I highly doubt after all these years of static setlists they swap FIVE songs from night to night. Even on the first leg of Snakes it was 1 song rotating. But if they do I looked and Philly would be a "B" night, so woot.
This was posted on the Power Windows fan site.
(https://www.2112.net/powerwindows/tours/120907setlists.jpg)
The only song from setlist B that I'd rather hear is MD. I'm not a fan of just hearing Overture and Temples so I'll take Spirit any day. The Pass would be great but based on live recordings I think Bravado would be better live.This was posted on the Power Windows fan site.
(https://www.2112.net/powerwindows/tours/120907setlists.jpg)
Hmmm, if this is true, and we do get the B set list here in St. Louis, I will be bummed about missing out on Manhattan Project, but I'd definitely prefer Middletown Dreams over The Body Electric, The Pass over Bravado, and 2112 over The Spirit of Radio/anything.
I suspect that if they end the show with 2112, they will play The Grand Finale after the Overture and Temples.
1 Body Electric dropped for Middletown DreamsNick, I would agree with this. Bravado is actually the one song that is worse than The Pass.
2 Bravado for The Pass
3 Carnies for Seven Cities
4 Manhattan Project for Dreamline
5 Spirit of Radio for 2112
1B, 2B, 3B, 4equal, 5B.
Just got around to really comparing this now. If this is true, Philly is going to be fucking insane.
1 Body Electric dropped for Middletown DreamsPhilly will be a B show? hadnt counted up to see :P
2 Bravado for The Pass
3 Carnies for Seven Cities
4 Manhattan Project for Dreamline
5 Spirit of Radio for 2112
1B, 2B, 3B, 4equal, 5B.
Just got around to really comparing this now. If this is true, Philly is going to be fucking insane.
1 Body Electric dropped for Middletown DreamsPhilly will be a B show? hadnt counted up to see :P
2 Bravado for The Pass
3 Carnies for Seven Cities
4 Manhattan Project for Dreamline
5 Spirit of Radio for 2112
1B, 2B, 3B, 4equal, 5B.
Just got around to really comparing this now. If this is true, Philly is going to be fucking insane.
Not sure how i feel one way or the other, i think id have to listen to all the songs to decide.. i would like TSOR, but 2112 is epic too :hefdaddy
I suspect that if they end the show with 2112, they will play The Grand Finale after the Overture and Temples.
This tour is totally tits. Seriously, this is the best tour of Rush's post golden age career.
The Garden:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gupQJ_-4HRY
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Hmmm, back to Set List A tonight, but it looks like 2112 was still played instead of The Spirit of Radio, Wish Them Well was dropped and they played both Carnies and Seven Cities of Gold.
2112 >> SoR
I'm shocked as hell that SoR isn't being played at every show, as I've always considered it and Tom Sawyer the two that would never be dropped (although they did try it with SoR once before), but I'm happy about it.
Also, I think it's pretty clear why the setlists look a lot like they do. I think Geddy was reaching the point where they either had to cut down the show time a lot to keep playing the amount of older material they were used to, or they could keep the length and play more stuff he can sing easier. It's telling that all the old staples are at the end of the set as well. Sing the easy stuff for most of the night and then it's not as bad if you end up blowing it out a bit at the end.
Wish Them Well was dropped and they played both Carnies and Seven Cities of Gold.
Happy birthday, you Genius! :hefdaddy
1 Body Electric dropped for Middletown Dreams
2 Bravado for The Pass
3 Carnies for Seven Cities
4 Manhattan Project for Dreamline
5 Spirit of Radio for 2112
1B, 2B, 3B, 4equal, 5B.
Just got around to really comparing this now. If this is true, Philly is going to be fucking insane.
Now I really hope they add another US leg in spring next year. Summer would be nice as well
And by then, they will have dropped Tom Sawyer and Subdivisions for Open Secrets and Everyday Glory. :coolio :hat :eek :biggrin:
Rush why you mess with my head <_>
cant follow all these set lists xP
So, here's a hypothetical for you all...
If the band decide to play most of another 80's album on the NEXT tour (or maybe even LEG of this tour), which would it be?
I ask this because, since the Vapor Trails Tour, they've played 7 out of 8 songs from Power Windows - "The Big Money" on the Vapor Trails Tour, "Mystic Rhythms" on the R30 Tour, and "Marathon" on the Time Machine Tour...and now with the Clockwork Angels Tour, they've brought back the remaining four songs that they've played live, 2 of which were ONLY ever played on the Power Windows Tour (being "Middletown Dreams" and "Grand Designs").
If they pay homage to Signals, we could see the return of "Chemistry", "The Weapon", "New World Man" and "Countdown".
If they pay homage to Grace Under Pressure, they could play "Afterimage", "The Enemy Within", "Kid Gloves" and "Red Lenses".
If they pay homage to Hold Your Fire, they might do "Lock And Key", "Prime Mover", "Turn The Page" and "Mission".
Which of the above sets of four songs would YOU like to see them play if they decide to saturate the set list with another 80's album?
Keep in mind, I picked those songs based on what they haven't played live since the VT Tour (although in the case of SIG, "New World Man" would be brought back from the VT Tour, while the GUP choices haven't been played since the 80's, and for HYF, "Mission" would return from the S&A Tour), and I only picked songs they HAVE played live because, as it stands, the band STILL hasn't played "Emotion Detector".
-Marc.
I still think The Spirit of Radio and Limelight will both eventually find their way back into the set lists on this tour. The Spirit of Radio has already been played once, and Limelight was supposedly the last song dropped from it at the last minute, so I think they'll eventually get a sense that they need one or both of those staples back in there to make fans happy.
One thing is certain. There won't be an R40.
So, here's a hypothetical for you all...I'd want G/P. Signals and Power Windows would be nice too.But please not Hold Your Fire, the less from that album, the better, in my opinion.
If the band decide to play most of another 80's album on the NEXT tour (or maybe even LEG of this tour), which would it be?
I ask this because, since the Vapor Trails Tour, they've played 7 out of 8 songs from Power Windows - "The Big Money" on the Vapor Trails Tour, "Mystic Rhythms" on the R30 Tour, and "Marathon" on the Time Machine Tour...and now with the Clockwork Angels Tour, they've brought back the remaining four songs that they've played live, 2 of which were ONLY ever played on the Power Windows Tour (being "Middletown Dreams" and "Grand Designs").
If they pay homage to Signals, we could see the return of "Chemistry", "The Weapon", "New World Man" and "Countdown".
If they pay homage to Grace Under Pressure, they could play "Afterimage", "The Enemy Within", "Kid Gloves" and "Red Lenses".
If they pay homage to Hold Your Fire, they might do "Lock And Key", "Prime Mover", "Turn The Page" and "Mission".
Which of the above sets of four songs would YOU like to see them play if they decide to saturate the set list with another 80's album?
Keep in mind, I picked those songs based on what they haven't played live since the VT Tour (although in the case of SIG, "New World Man" would be brought back from the VT Tour, while the GUP choices haven't been played since the 80's, and for HYF, "Mission" would return from the S&A Tour), and I only picked songs they HAVE played live because, as it stands, the band STILL hasn't played "Emotion Detector".
-Marc.
Kev, Assuming the "big three" is Force Ten, Lock and Key, and Turn the Page, you forgot that Mission is a kickass tune that they played in '07.
Speaking of the 90s, why is no one talking about how cool it is for them to bring back Where's My Thing? Its an awesome tune and I'm really glad they're looking into deep cuts from RTB. I'm hoping for more Counterparts as always though!
Lakeside Park as the encore.
(Actually, I love that song)
FYI, in Chicago last night, Set A of the new rotation was played, but The Spirit of Radio replaced Working Man as the 2nd set closer. I wish they'd make that permanent every night.
New interview with Alex Lifeson from the Detroit Free Press.
QUESTION: The set list seems to still be in flux on these early tour dates, and it's definitely got fans' attention.
ANSWER: What happened is the thing that always happens -- the set was much longer than what we had to limit ourselves to. We didn't want to get rid of those songs, so we picked a Set A and a Set B, and since then we've been tweaking it a bit, playing a couple and moving them around. I mentioned to Ged the other day: It's kind of nice to arrive at a gig in the afternoon and decide which songs to switch out that night and keep it mysterious, especially now that everything is blogged and tweeted and e-mailed.
And it's been a whole set list controversy. Having a deep catalog like this makes it difficult to play enough songs that everybody wants to hear. Everybody has their favored and less favored songs. Rush fans are great at debating the merits of songs. And good at expressing their disappointment and elation. (Laughs)
We don't usually do this type of thing, so we may get back in our usual groove. I'd be an advocate for some other stuff, songs we didn't prepare perhaps.
Good to see the band is paying attention to what the fans are saying, and it wouldn't surprise me if some of the tweaks are to appease certain parts of the fanbase, like playing 2112 every night now and putting The Spirit of Radio back in. Really, they should just chuck Far Cry now and replace it with Limelight to the end the first set.
Ghost Rider and Earthshine aren't set closers, so those aren't good choices to replace Far Cry. And if they play One Little Victory again, much less in a prime spot like closing the set or in the encore, I will not be happy. That song wasn't good enough to survive three tours, much less get the great spots in the sets it got each time.
I love Earthshine, but it is a better middle of the set song than a set closer. And frankly, with all of songs from CA they are playing, I'd be fine with nothing else from the last 10 years.
One Little Victory's intro is awesome, but the rest of the song is very, very average. The verses feature some of the ugliest vocal melodies Rush has ever done (almost as bad as the ones in Slime and Motion).
One thing is certain. There won't be an R40.
I am not convinced. Neil said in an interview around the CA release time that they had the next few years all mapped out already, so I could see them touring this year/the beginning of next year, doing another leg next summer and then doing a 40th anniversary tour in 2014. Plus, that might explain the lack of standards this year. They played a ton of standards in '10 and '11 and would likely have to play a ton of them on a R40 tour, so with them drawing nearer to the finish line, they might have looked at the current tour as their last chance to dive into some deep cuts and not play as many standards, hence the current set lists. They couldn't get away with that on a possible R40 tour, where standards would be expected, and rightfully so.
Just because they have 2012 and 2013 mapped out doesn't mean 2014 is out as a working year. Besides, Neil said in the interview that I saw that they have the next two years planned out. That could mean the summer of 2012 through the summer of 2014, not necessarily 2012 and 2013.
just gonna leave this here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ThWzuKyqU&feature=player_embedded
just gonna leave this here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ThWzuKyqU&feature=player_embedded
How the hell did they get a camera on me?! :lol
We got The Spirit of Radio instead of Working Man at the end of the second set (THANK GOD!!), and also got The Pass instead of Bravado (I love both, but was thrilled we got The Pass).Wow, you were really lucky. Nice review. :tup
-Carnies doesn't work well live 'cause Alex doesn't play the main guitar lick as is. I am guessing the studio version is ripe with overdubs, and him doing the vibrato at the end every time he plays that riff makes it too difficult to then slide back into the main riff or whatever clean line he is playing immediately after, so he avoids the vibrato, which takes away a lot of the bite of the song.
The ending of Carnies is bananas live, with the pyro and all, but I thought that that, The Wreckers and Halo Effect definitely came off the least best of the new songs (and were the least well-received of the new ones as well). To appease those bitching about too many new songs, I think they could have play the following at the start of Set 2:
Caravan
Clockwork Angels
The Anarchist
Headlong Flight
Wish Them Well
The Garden
And all would be good. They could then play Dreamline and Manhattan Project every night, and then throw in two more older songs near the end of the set to make it a bit more well-rounded.
Don't get me wrong, I think the set list as is works extremely well, but I am just offering a way it could have been even better.
The ending of Carnies is bananas live, with the pyro and all, but I thought that that, The Wreckers and Halo Effect definitely came off the least best of the new songs (and were the least well-received of the new ones as well). To appease those bitching about too many new songs, I think they could have play the following at the start of Set 2:
Caravan
Clockwork Angels
The Anarchist
Headlong Flight
Wish Them Well
The Garden
And all would be good. They could then play Dreamline and Manhattan Project every night, and then throw in two more older songs near the end of the set to make it a bit more well-rounded.
Don't get me wrong, I think the set list as is works extremely well, but I am just offering a way it could have been even better.
I choose not to decide.
I choose not to decide.
You still have made a choice, though.
I voted for Rush, Deep Purple, and Heart.
quite stoked to see Rush in Philly this Friday :metal :metal :metal :hefdaddy :metal :metal :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzBCUIHE7zc&feature=shareThat is fucking awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzBCUIHE7zc&feature=shareThat is fucking awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzBCUIHE7zc&feature=shareThat is fucking awesome.
HOLY... THAT was amazing! Thanks for sharing that!!! How have I NOT seen that yet?!
-Marc.
Glad to see the B set last night. First of the tour that they didn't go between A and B. I didn't think they would but because of the Manchester NH show they did two B-sets on a row!! Very happy. I am gassed though. Working on 4 hours of sleep.Suck it up cupcake! Its Rush, and it is worth it! :metal
Looks like Rush played Limelight in the Body Electric/Middletown Dreams slot last night in Buffalo. And online Rush fans everywhere bitched... :lol :lol :lol
Also, some great videos from the Chicago show courtesy of a guy with the username Gene Sisson at youtube.
Clockwork Angels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Z0xijcOks&feature=relmfu
Anyone know if there are plans for a CD/DVD of this tour? This is the first one i actually want to buy since R30.
Anyone know if there are plans for a CD/DVD of this tour? This is the first one i actually want to buy since R30.
Seriously? Time Machine was GOLD!!
Anyone know if there are plans for a CD/DVD of this tour? This is the first one i actually want to buy since R30.
Seriously? Time Machine was GOLD!!
Meh... too many of the same old songs for me. Camera Eye, Presto, Marathon were highlights, but the rest of the setlist was pretty routine.
It seemed like they were filming when I was at the second Toronto Show. Also, the day between the 2 Toronto shows they had the ACC booked for filming but there was no show.filming at a show could also be just for the video screens, i find it's hard to tell the difference
I'm the opposite. :D
I just read the preview and thought it was forced and poorly written. The lyrics used in the text just feel so forced that it takes me out of the book.
If you need a sleeping pill, listen to NP's audiobook version. Love the guy and when he speaks, but man... Hope you enjoy it though
Who woulda thunk it?!?! :)I think it was clear from the first listen, no?
how often does a band do an album this good 38 years into their career? How many bands' 19th studio album is this good? I am guessing the answer to both of those questions is "never." :tup :tup
That's not what I meant. I meant, how often does a band do an album this good 38 years into their career? How many bands' 19th studio album is this good? I am guessing the answer to both of those questions is "never." :tup :tupIs this album that good, or has the last 25 years been that mediocre?
That's not what I meant. I meant, how often does a band do an album this good 38 years into their career? How many bands' 19th studio album is this good? I am guessing the answer to both of those questions is "never." :tup :tupIs this album that good, or has the last 25 years been that mediocre?
The last 20yrs have been pretty mediocre, imo. You don't see any tracks from Cparts, T4E, or VT on either setlist, do you?
Probably gonna ruffle some feathers...
As far as setlists are concerned, it's just impossible to include a song from each album when there's 19 of them. Power windows pretty much only saw one of its songs featured in concert in the last couple of tours, but this time around they're playing four of them. I don't think it has anything to do with the band not liking those albums...
Did you guys hear the details of the 2112 deluxe reissue. Cd/Blu ray/DVD. The Cd has three bonus live tracks and it comes with either a digital comic book or the super deluxe edition has a 40 page comic book outlining the title track. Sounds very cool.
As far as setlists are concerned, it's just impossible to include a song from each album when there's 19 of them. Power windows pretty much only saw one of its songs featured in concert in the last couple of tours, but this time around they're playing four of them. I don't think it has anything to do with the band not liking those albums...
This is so true. All three guys said about 5-6 years ago that they like Test for Echo a lot, yet on the last five tours, Driven (played on one tour) and Resist (played acoustically on two) are the only two songs from it played, so how much they play from an album is not always an indicator of how much the band likes it.
Plus, some songs do not always come off well live, for whatever reason. For example, Animate is a band favorite, but I don't think it is a great live song. Not sure why, but they don't play it with the same energy and similar pace that the studio version has, and the live version suffers because of it. That should have been a song that slayed live, to become a mainstay, but it didn't.
Did you guys hear the details of the 2112 deluxe reissue. Cd/Blu ray/DVD. The Cd has three bonus live tracks and it comes with either a digital comic book or the super deluxe edition has a 40 page comic book outlining the title track. Sounds very cool.
link?
Did you guys hear the details of the 2112 deluxe reissue. Cd/Blu ray/DVD. The Cd has three bonus live tracks and it comes with either a digital comic book or the super deluxe edition has a 40 page comic book outlining the title track. Sounds very cool.
As far as setlists are concerned, it's just impossible to include a song from each album when there's 19 of them. Power windows pretty much only saw one of its songs featured in concert in the last couple of tours, but this time around they're playing four of them. I don't think it has anything to do with the band not liking those albums...
This is so true. All three guys said about 5-6 years ago that they like Test for Echo a lot, yet on the last five tours, Driven (played on one tour) and Resist (played acoustically on two) are the only two songs from it played, so how much they play from an album is not always an indicator of how much the band likes it.
Plus, some songs do not always come off well live, for whatever reason. For example, Animate is a band favorite, but I don't think it is a great live song. Not sure why, but they don't play it with the same energy and similar pace that the studio version has, and the live version suffers because of it. That should have been a song that slayed live, to become a mainstay, but it didn't.
Dunno boss. Leaving out the 16yr span between RTB and SnA is a pretty big vote of "Meh."
I think it's less significant to skip early songs because they were written so long ago and have been played to death. In the early years, Rush would play a lot of those tracks because there were only a handful of albums to choose from. To leave out 16yrs of your most recent work is not insignificant.
I think it's less significant to skip early songs because they were written so long ago and have been played to death. In the early years, Rush would play a lot of those tracks because there were only a handful of albums to choose from. To leave out 16yrs of your most recent work is not insignificant.
I think it's less significant to skip early songs because they were written so long ago and have been played to death. In the early years, Rush would play a lot of those tracks because there were only a handful of albums to choose from. To leave out 16yrs of your most recent work is not insignificant.
Yes it is. You are overthinking it. Just look at how much play CP has gotten over the years:
CP tour: 6 songs
TFE tour: 4 songs
VT tour: 2 songs
R30 tour: 1 song
S&A tour: 0 songs
TM tour: 2 songs
CA tour: 0 songs
That is pretty good representation over the years, especially for a newer album. Contrast that to TFE (which has gone 7-2-1-0-0-0) and VT (5-3-1-0-0), and it's easy to see that Counterparts is an album that like playing material from. I mean, they loved S&A to death, but should we read into the fact that, even though the album is only five years old, they are already playing only one song from it, two tours later? Of course not. They only have so much time in a set list.
Exactly. Focusing on that arbitrary time period, as if it is some proof that the band doesn't like their newer stuff, seems odd to me, especially since they are playing three songs from Roll the Bones (from 1991), five songs from Power Windows (from 1985), and a song from the other albums in between.
RTB is one of their all-time best, imo.I think you are likely in the minority on that one. I know a number of people who think it is the worst album they've ever done. Personally I like Dreamline, Bravdo, Ghost of Chance, Where's My Thing?, and the Big Wheel. But the rest of that album is garbage IMO. With the exception of The Big Wheel those other songs along with RTB has seen a decent amount of coverage through the years.
RTB is one of their all-time best, imo.I think you are likely in the minority on that one. I know a number of people who think it is the worst album they've ever done. Personally I like Dreamline, Bravdo, Ghost of Chance, Where's My Thing?, and the Big Wheel. But the rest of that album is garbage IMO. With the exception of The Big Wheel those other songs along with RTB has seen a decent amount of coverage through the years.
The difference is that while they have skipped albums on previous tours, they have not skipped entire eras. To skip over every song written between 1991 and 2007 is statistically significant, and i believe reflects their current feeling toward the songs written during that period. A view i happen to agree with.
But the band is hardly playing any of the 70s on THIS tour, so I think that proves that their current feelings aren't overly positive about that material, thus it isn't that good, right? :biggrin:Well done, sir. :hefdaddy
Right, M. They have so much to choose from.But the band is hardly playing any of the 70s on THIS tour, so I think that proves that their current feelings aren't overly positive about that material, thus it isn't that good, right? :biggrin:Well done, sir. :hefdaddy
Personally, I think Rush likes to shake things up from tour to tour, bust out some songs they haven't played in a while every tour, just so the fans get the opportunity to hear a little something from every era. It seems to me like they're happy with most of their works, they know that every single album has its share of songs worth playing - the only problem is, how to fit all of those songs in one set list? The answer is not to, and switch the set around from tour to tour. That's why Power windows got four songs this time around, yet, as Kev pointed out, they left it aside on Snakes and arrows tour. I'm sure there will be a tour with a few songs from Test for echo and Vapor trails.
The only exception might be Caress of steel, but the reasons might be obvious. Geddy would hardly pull of Bastille day, The Necromancer and Fountain of Lamneth are too long (especially the latter), and the remaining two might not actually be their favorites. But they're not our favorites neither. ;D
Besides, most would argue that Rush through Caress of Steel is its own era, and they skip that era all of the time, so there goes that theory.
Again, your arbitrary way of selecting those particular years is just bizarre.
for those 40 and under fans like myself who never got to see the band in the 80s, this tour is a real treat. :tup :tup
The "old songs were played to death back in the day" argument doesn't hold up since their oldest songs were all played a lot because when they toured in the early days, those were the only songs they had. That is significantly different from now, where they have 19 albums and 170+ songs to choose from.
Also, Rush played nothing from Power Windows on the S&A tour. Using dbrooks logic, that means the band didn't care for it at that point in time.
Rush played nothing from Roll the Bones on the Time Machine tour. Using dbrooks logic, that means the band didn't care for it at that point in time.
Going one further, there were several shows early on in the current tour where they played nothing from Permanent Waves. Using dbrooks logic, that means the band didn't care for it on those particular nights.
But the band is hardly playing any of the 70s on THIS tour, so I think that proves that their current feelings aren't overly positive about that material, thus it isn't that good, right? :biggrin:
Kev's examples are attempting to point out to you how ridiculous your argument is, but you're not getting it.
Any given album can and will be underrepresented on a given tour. Any given era can and will be underrepresented on a given tour. That's just how it goes. You are the one who keeps insisting that these three albums somehow constitute their own era, and because no songs are being played from them this tour, that somehow Rush holds them in lower esteem. Kev's examples show how that has happened many, many times in the past and clearly has nothing to do with how Rush feels about them.
It doesn't matter that they are three consecutive albums. It just doesn't.
It doesn't matter that they happen to span a relatively large amount of time. It just doesn't.
Kev's examples are attempting to point out to you how ridiculous your argument is, but you're not getting it.
Any given album can and will be underrepresented on a given tour. Any given era can and will be underrepresented on a given tour. That's just how it goes. You are the one who keeps insisting that these three albums somehow constitute their own era, and because no songs are being played from them this tour, that somehow Rush holds them in lower esteem. Kev's examples show how that has happened many, many times in the past and clearly has nothing to do with how Rush feels about them.
It doesn't matter that they are three consecutive albums. It just doesn't.
It doesn't matter that they happen to span a relatively large amount of time. It just doesn't.
CP, T4E, and VT are consecutive and have a similar guitar-heavy sound, which is why i loosely defined it as an "era." Don't get hung up on that word. It doesn't matter what you want to call it. It's a span of songwriting breaching 15yrs of their recent history.
No - it's never happened. KS showed examples of specific albums being left out, which we all agree has to happen (can we beat that horse any more?). He did not show examples of 15yrs/several consecutive albums being NOT represented.
Look - the vast majority of Rush fans agree that their best songs are not from the 90s-00s. We all like different albums, but the majority opinion is that Rush's golden years happened somewhere in the 70's and 80's. It's natural that the band would want to focus on their best work at this late stage of their career.
I don't think that's entirely TOO accurate. Rush didn't spend 5 years on Vapor Trails, and if anything, it was less than 2. The time between 1998 and 2001 was spent in limbo - the band themselves didn't know if they would go on after Neil's tragedies. Similarly, they did not spend 2002-2007 writing S&A - they recorded an EP and did an Anniversary Tour in between. They spent less than 2 years on that album as well. Only with Clockwork Angels have they spent more than 2 years on material, and that was mostly because they released the "Caravan" single early on before the Time Machine Tour, then toured and wrote at the same time, then finally got the album out.
I don't think that's entirely TOO accurate. Rush didn't spend 5 years on Vapor Trails, and if anything, it was less than 2. The time between 1998 and 2001 was spent in limbo - the band themselves didn't know if they would go on after Neil's tragedies. Similarly, they did not spend 2002-2007 writing S&A - they recorded an EP and did an Anniversary Tour in between. They spent less than 2 years on that album as well. Only with Clockwork Angels have they spent more than 2 years on material, and that was mostly because they released the "Caravan" single early on before the Time Machine Tour, then toured and wrote at the same time, then finally got the album out.
Agreed and good point. That being said, they do spend a lot more time on writing/recording for each album now than in the 70s/80s.
I think they take longer now because they are allowed the luxury to be able to do so - there's no rush to constantly record and tour - they're a well-known act by now, and even though they've only released 3 albums in the last decade, they've gone on 5 major tours. Had they been recording albums in between, we could have had as many as 5 albums in the last 10 years, which, between 1985-1995, had been done.
However, you also have to take into account that their last 3 albums have been over an hour long, where as albums in the 80s were no more than 45 minutes, and up until HYF, they hadn't gone over 50, so really, there is more material per album. The 3 last studio albums add up to about 190 minutes or so, about the length of nearly 4 albums from the 80s.
Do I wish they had written MORE albums with LESS songs in the same 10-year span from 2002-2012? Maybe, but the 3 albums we DO have are all fantastic, full of carefully crafted songs that the band took their time with, and that extra time spent writing was well worth it. Not to say taking less than a year to write and record was bad, some of my favorite albums/songs exist in the earlier years of the band, but there's greatness in spontaneity AND patience.
-Marc.
M, first off, I didn't realize you were so young!
Also, the parallels between Iron Maiden and Rush over the last 15 years is amazing.
Trust me..28 is young.M, first off, I didn't realize you were so young!
Also, the parallels between Iron Maiden and Rush over the last 15 years is amazing.
28 is young?! Some days I don't feel young but thanks! :lol :tup
I'm not much of an Iron Maiden fan, but I assume you mean that their frequency of releasing albums has gotten wider apart while they've regularly toured is similar?
-Marc.
Kev's examples are attempting to point out to you how ridiculous your argument is, but you're not getting it.
Any given album can and will be underrepresented on a given tour. Any given era can and will be underrepresented on a given tour. That's just how it goes. You are the one who keeps insisting that these three albums somehow constitute their own era, and because no songs are being played from them this tour, that somehow Rush holds them in lower esteem. Kev's examples show how that has happened many, many times in the past and clearly has nothing to do with how Rush feels about them.
It doesn't matter that they are three consecutive albums. It just doesn't.
It doesn't matter that they happen to span a relatively large amount of time. It just doesn't.
BTW....the highlight of the night for me was hearing my three all time favorite PoW songs IN A ROW in the first set.Holy shit, that must have been awesome. :metal
And CP-VT does NOT cover a 15-year span; it covers a 10-year span (1993-2002). Stretching it from 1992 to 2006 is disingenuous since they didn't release any new, original material in 1992, 2003, 2004, 2005 or 2006. It would be like them playing something from every album but Test for Echo and someone then saying that they ignored eight years of their history (1994-2001). :lol
BTW....the highlight of the night for me was hearing my three all time favorite PoW songs IN A ROW in the first set.
Hot off the press:
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/11/14/3395/Rush-to-film-Phoenix-and-Dallas-shows-for-live-DVD-release
Hot off the press:
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/11/14/3395/Rush-to-film-Phoenix-and-Dallas-shows-for-live-DVD-release
Is anyone going to the Las Vegas show? We could do dinner or something before the show if anyone is interested.
Good to see two shows being filmed. Hopefully, this means that the songs being rotated will all be included. :hat
Is anyone going to the Las Vegas show? We could do dinner or something before the show if anyone is interested.
Thanks for planting that seed in my mind. Now i'm scanning airfare and tickets for next weekend...
I don't care about the CDs, but if they include all of the songs on the DVD, I hope they include them all in the running order instead of tacking a few on as bonus tracks. Instead of, for example, putting Dreamline on the regular second set running order, and then Manhattan Project as a bonus feature, just put them back to back like they were played that way (even though we know they weren't).
I remember when Nobody's Hero came out, I thought, "Wow, that song is gonna get played to death on the radio, and it will be a live mainstay for years." I was right about the former, but wrong about the latter. In retrospect, I think the lyrics that start off the song are a bit too in-your-face and/or honest for some, but I still think the song is catchy as all get-out.
Besides, considering how prevalent strings are in that song, if they were ever gonna play it again, it would have been on this tour, I think.
What is that?
I really like the looks of that super deluxe edition. Man, am I a sucker for this kind of stuff.
Here is the setlist. Such a great show!
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/rush/2012/mgm-grand-garden-arena-las-vegas-nv-73dada85.html
Here is the setlist. Such a great show!
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/rush/2012/mgm-grand-garden-arena-las-vegas-nv-73dada85.html
Nice set list, but I really, Really, REALLY, *REALLY* hope they don't play "Limelight" at either Phoenix or Dallas shows. We've had "Limelight" on nearly EVERY live album/video since MP came out in 1981, and we've never had "Middletown Dreams" OR "The Body Electric" on ANY live album/video.
-Marc.
That set list looks perfect. All of the rotated songs are what I would want them to be. :coolio
^I'd be okay with that.
^I'd be okay with that.
:tup
Gotta say, though, this whole tour has been pretty epic, and so different from previous tours. Sure, the Time Machine Tour had MP in it's entirety, and S&A tour had some cool gems, but this tour really stands out among the last few.
-Marc.
No doubt. This is far and away the best Rush setlist of the last 10-15 years at least.
No doubt. This is far and away the best Rush setlist of the last 10-15 years at least.Don't much care for it, myself. I wasn't even going to go, but now that I know they'll be filming it, I suppose it'd be sacrilege not to.
Is "Bravado" still being rotated with "The Pass"?
I was about to ask the same question. :)Is "Bravado" still being rotated with "The Pass"?
Hmmm, good question. How did I forget all about "Bravado"! Man...there's another song to add then. Guess I'll edit my above posts lol
-Marc.
That set list looks perfect. All of the rotated songs are what I would want them to be. :coolio
I'm really excited for the DVD and am crossing my figures that I can see them on the next North American leg.
Middletown Dreams would have to be on your "soundboard boot" extra tracks as well. I don't see that one in the setlist.
Glad I got to see that one in Seattle.
Does anyone know if these ten tour dates are all there is for Europe? Or can we expect a few more? :smiley:I doubt there will be more european dates. They have announced that they are planing more US dates in the spring and summer
No doubt. This is far and away the best Rush setlist of the last 10-15 years at least.
Finally those guys did the right thing.
Congrats on Rush for this achievement :clap:
Sweet!
:clap: Now I want to go watch the documentary again
and is the perfect ending when you consider what came before it. Never before or since has 18+ minutes built up to a 2 1/4 minute climax in as great a way. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Rush is to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (https://www.metalinsider.net/welcome-to-the-hof/rush-to-be-inducted-in-the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame)
I am now downloading a 22GB Blu Ray bootleg from the previous 2011 tour, the show at the MSG. Needless to say, I am extremely excited! :caffeine:
I would buy that in a heartbeat, but I really don't think it exists, even in the Rush vaults sadly.
I am partial to the Boston 1-11-79 show. I cannot imagine seeing them at the Orpheum.
Thankfully there are plenty of live bootlegs with A+ sound quality out there, especially the Tucson, AZ show, which I am currently listening to. Great soundboard (A Desert Passage Platinum Edition) with a full show! One of my favorite boots ever, and definitely a gem of the period.
-Marc.
Also, imagine if Rush had released albums between every 3 albums instead of four? We'd have the following tours released in full (or mostly full):
Caress Of Steel (oooh man a whole headlining show would be amazing!)
Hemispheres (as mentioned above)
Signals (which was a great tour, featured 7/8ths of Signals and 6/7ths Moving Pictures)
Hold Your Fire (well we got ASOH, but the whole show would've been awesome)
Counterparts (another great tour, also featured "Xanadu" and "Hemispheres: Prelude"!)
-Marc.
I am partial to the Boston 1-11-79 show. I cannot imagine seeing them at the Orpheum.
What's the difference between an audience recording and a soundboard recording from the Caress of Steel tour?
Soundboards exist because they actually showed up to the shows.
Zing!
(I realize this isn't the case, but in my head it was funny anyway)
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I am partial to the Boston 1-11-79 show. I cannot imagine seeing them at the Orpheum.
That's a pretty cool show. I'd only just gotten it a few years ago. I think it's only surfaced within the last five years or so.
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I am partial to the Boston 1-11-79 show. I cannot imagine seeing them at the Orpheum.
That's a pretty cool show. I'd only just gotten it a few years ago. I think it's only surfaced within the last five years or so.
It must be pretty recent because it's not even on the DRE. Was the Boston boot a soundboard recording as well? I know there quite a few SBDs from the Hemispheres Tour, and I've heard most of, if not all of them.
-Marc.
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I am partial to the Boston 1-11-79 show. I cannot imagine seeing them at the Orpheum.
That's a pretty cool show. I'd only just gotten it a few years ago. I think it's only surfaced within the last five years or so.
It must be pretty recent because it's not even on the DRE. Was the Boston boot a soundboard recording as well? I know there quite a few SBDs from the Hemispheres Tour, and I've heard most of, if not all of them.
-Marc.
Anyway, it's definitely an audience, but it is of great quality.
I'm mostly partial to it because it is in my neck of the woods. I just listened to it on a trip to Florida a couple of weeks ago, and I was blown away. What a setlist! As much as I love Moving Pictures and Permanent Waves, if I could ever freeze Rush in time, it would easily be the Hemispheres era.
I know I sound critical of Rush at times, but when you listen to what they were doing in 1979, I just don't know how anyone could get excited about ..say Roll The Bones.
I will admit, that even an album like Presto is nice to listen to and they all have their place, but to me, when they turned their back on this era, they really lost me.
Clockwork Angels is so great and Old School, why did we have to wait so damned long for it?
This interview/special from last night is EPIC. Some awesome extremely rare material. First time Tom Sawyer was played, Garden Road, wow... I'm only a half hour in.
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/12/22/3446/Eddie-Trunks-Holiday-Rush-radio-special-and-Alex-Lifeson-interview
I am now downloading a 22GB Blu Ray bootleg from the previous 2011 tour, the show at the MSG. Needless to say, I am extremely excited! :caffeine:
This interview/special from last night is EPIC. Some awesome extremely rare material. First time Tom Sawyer was played, Garden Road, wow... I'm only a half hour in.
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/12/22/3446/Eddie-Trunks-Holiday-Rush-radio-special-and-Alex-Lifeson-interview
Listened to this last night. Some pretty great stuff. The interview was excellent, though musically they didn't really dig all that deep. Nevertheless, I hadn't heard such an early version of Tom Sawyer before -- that was definitely interesting.
I've always noticed that as well. My guess would be that it's a bit easier to not do it that way? I don't really have an idea though.
I didn't notice that they did/did not do it at the reprise part. That's weird, for sure.
https://www.rockabyebabymusic.com/rush.html
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I'm reading Neil Peart's healing book. Has any of you read it?
I'm reading Neil Peart's healing book. Has any of you read it?The only book I've read of his was Ghost Rider.
I'm reading Neil Peart's healing book. Has any of you read it?The only book I've read of his was Ghost Rider.
I'm reading Neil Peart's healing book. Has any of you read it?The only book I've read of his was Ghost Rider.
What if Geddy and Alex walked in? :lol
What if Geddy and Alex walked in? :lol
In, that's gonna be awesome. :metal
Survivor beginning 14th January. Everyone in?
Also, I'd like to challenge everyone to the following Sporcle Quiz!
https://www.sporcle.com/games/TheGreatZo/rush_songs
My best time has been 5 minutes, 51 seconds!
-Marc.
Also, I'd like to challenge everyone to the following Sporcle Quiz!
https://www.sporcle.com/games/TheGreatZo/rush_songs
My best time has been 5 minutes, 51 seconds!
-Marc.
Can't take it this moment, but I can already tell you'd I'd fail because Feedback is included for some reason. I'm also not 100% sure I could get through Vapor Trails.
Also, I'd like to challenge everyone to the following Sporcle Quiz!
https://www.sporcle.com/games/TheGreatZo/rush_songs
My best time has been 5 minutes, 51 seconds!
-Marc.
Can't take it this moment, but I can already tell you'd I'd fail because Feedback is included for some reason. I'm also not 100% sure I could get through Vapor Trails.
Feedback counts.
What about the live albums?
I got 4:01. Feedback, Test for Echo, and Vapor Trails all killed me.
Time remaining, haha. You got less than 6 minutes for time completed? Nice!
There are definitely US show before Europe. Look for the tour to start right after the Hall of Fame induction.
Last run of dates I saw had them starting a few days after the Hall of Fame induction in the south/southwest and moving eastward. The schedule was evolving though so I'll update again shortly
The Rush Forum member likeclockwork, who has connections to the band (he/she accurately described parts on CA and posted info on the setlist), posted these comments:QuoteThere are definitely US show before Europe. Look for the tour to start right after the Hall of Fame induction.QuoteLast run of dates I saw had them starting a few days after the Hall of Fame induction in the south/southwest and moving eastward. The schedule was evolving though so I'll update again shortly
The induction ceremony is on April 18th, so there will probably be US shows in May and possibly June. I just hope they come to the northeast (NY or CT) then, since I'm starting college in the fall and won't be able to buy tickets ahead of time.
I just got Presto for Christmas. Anything I should listen to in particular when I play it?
Survivor beginning 14th January. Everyone in?
Also, I'd like to challenge everyone to the following Sporcle Quiz!
https://www.sporcle.com/games/TheGreatZo/rush_songs
My best time has been 5 minutes, 51 seconds!
EDIT - best time is now 5 minutes, 33 seconds!!!
-Marc.
Sounds good. So it is a great Rush album. Sounds good. :)
Sounds good. So it is a great Rush album. Sounds good. :)
That's the only right answer. I for one love Presto, it's happier and lighter than many other Rush albums, but it still rocks. :metalI just got Presto for Christmas. Anything I should listen to in particular when I play it?
Start with "Show Don't Tell" and listen straight through to "Available Light".
-Marc.
So I was looking at Rush's Discography and I saw that Different Stages had not only tons of live material, but the entirety of 2112. Was it discontinued or something? I looked it up on Amazon and it was like $80 new. What's the deal-io?
Yeah, I think they're charging $80 because Kingshmegland was there!
I just got Presto for Christmas. Anything I should listen to in particular when I play it?
I agree, especially on Presto.I just got Presto for Christmas. Anything I should listen to in particular when I play it?
Just play it straight through the first time. Then again. Seriously.
There are some great songs on Presto and I like it overall, but I've always found it better to let a work speak for itself. If someone has told me specifically about certain songs, I find it distracting to sit there thinking "Okay, it's after this one" or later think "Hmm, not what I expected" because then I don't listen to what's playing at the moment.
I'm reading Neil Peart's healing book. Has any of you read it?
So I was looking at Rush's Discography and I saw that Different Stages had not only tons of live material, but the entirety of 2112. Was it discontinued or something? I looked it up on Amazon and it was like $80 new. What's the deal-io?
That sounds pricey to me. I'm not sure if it was discontinued. I was at that show for the recording of 2112. 6th row. One of the best shows I've ever saw.
GW&SS is indeed awesome. Hey Marc, don't they also have a little flub somewhere in "Force 10" on that bootleg? I'm remembering some kind of issue they had with that song for some reason.
Weird to think that at it's release, Rush probably thought Different Stages might be their last ever album, especially since Peart considered himself retired after his personal tragedies.
Marc, they were having a blast and being in the 6th row, I got to see all the little faces and joke and smiles. they were really into it that night and it showed.
Geddy Lee is going to be on How I Met Your Mother. I've never really followed the show, but I'm sure it will be awesome.
Geddy Lee is going to be on How I Met Your Mother. I've never really followed the show, but I'm sure it will be awesome.
So I was looking at Rush's Discography and I saw that Different Stages had not only tons of live material, but the entirety of 2112. Was it discontinued or something? I looked it up on Amazon and it was like $80 new. What's the deal-io?
That sounds pricey to me. I'm not sure if it was discontinued. I was at that show for the recording of 2112. 6th row. One of the best shows I've ever saw.
as well as "Chain Lightning" with it's backwards-recorded guitar solo!
Geddy Lee is going to be on How I Met Your Mother. I've never really followed the show, but I'm sure it will be awesome.
I've always thought Chain Lightning was one of the best songs on Presto (along with The Pass and Available Light), but I get why it has never been played live.Kev, I would like to point out that we are in agreement (how about that?) on Chain Lightning. And Available Light for that matter. I think Available Light is criminally underrated. Both are great songs.
as well as "Chain Lightning" with it's backwards-recorded guitar solo!
I never knew that. Is that what has prevented that song from being played live? I've always felt it was on of the best tracks on the record.
So I was looking at Rush's Discography and I saw that Different Stages had not only tons of live material, but the entirety of 2112. Was it discontinued or something? I looked it up on Amazon and it was like $80 new. What's the deal-io?
That sounds pricey to me. I'm not sure if it was discontinued. I was at that show for the recording of 2112. 6th row. One of the best shows I've ever saw.
It's funny but when you own all the albums you never check to see if they are out of date. But seeing kids get into Rush and then reading it just seems weird.
I've read in a few places that Different Stages is now out of print (as are Geddy and Alex's solo albums although some of you may not shed a tear over that) If true it might be the first Rush album to go that way. (I suppose it's possible Vapor Trails and Feedback are out of print, but I really don't know as I haven't checked.)
They did do well with All The World's A Stage, Exit Stage Left, and A Show Of Hands.
Holy Crap! :omg:
I never realized the pun on the word "stage" in Different Stages. There was live material from two different stages in their career, but I never put it together with "stage" as in "stage left".
Thank you, Marc
Holy Crap! :omg:Not only was there two time periods represented, but the 97 portion was culled from many different shows from that tour.
I never realized the pun on the word "stage" in Different Stages. There was live material from two different stages in their career, but I never put it together with "stage" as in "stage left".
Thank you, Marc
I just got Exit Stage Left on DVD. I really liked it.
Broon's Bane is delightful.
Broon's Bane is delightful.
and so are you b_f . . . so are you
I just got Exit Stage Left on DVD. I really liked it.
We about wore the video disc for that out back in the day.
Does anyone know what's going on with that fast keyboard lick that's played throughout most of Vital Signs? I know it's played off a tape live but was it played by Geddy on MP and is there some effect that automatically gives it that tremolo pedal choppiness that makes it sound like 16ths while actually only being physically played as 8ths?
I had the VHS of that and wore it out as well. I got into Rush durring Moving Pictures as a 12 year old and I was immersed into everything Rush.
Does anyone know what's going on with that fast keyboard lick that's played throughout most of Vital Signs? I know it's played off a tape live but was it played by Geddy on MP and is there some effect that automatically gives it that tremolo pedal choppiness that makes it sound like 16ths while actually only being physically played as 8ths?
It's a sequenced track, so Geddy probably never played it in real time. The sequence of eight or 16 notes was entered, then programmed to play back in a continuous loop at a certain speed. That doubling effect you hear is because the filter is being controlled by an oscillator with twice the frequency of the sequence trigger. So even though eighth notes are being played, it sounds like 16ths because the filter swings up and down twice for each note.
I'm not sure how well that explains it. Do you know much about analog synthesizers? If you do, I can go into more detail, but that's the gist of it.
*snip moving pitcher*
I know video discs. The local record store has Stargate and other movies on Video Disc.I just got Exit Stage Left on DVD. I really liked it.
We about wore the video disc for that out back in the day.
Not sure any of the younguns caught that. You mean VIDEO DISCS???
You mean those things that were the size of a vinyl record and encased in a plastic housing, and you stuck the entire thing inside of a very large machine and it played video magnetically from a grooved disc and it looked like this?
(https://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r47/jammindude/eslced_zps048d7660.jpg)
THAT kind of Video Disc???
:angel:
*snip moving pitcher*
That reminds me. Why do so many people pronounce picture as pitcher? That poor C feels left out.
I know video discs.
I was recommended 2112 and Moving Pictures, so I'll probably pick them up the next time I order something from a record store.
And if you want to hear a totally different, but equally awesome side of Rush, you can't go wrong with Power Windows or Hold Your Fire.
:lol
Now if I could just find a player, I'd have a reason to buy them.
As you may have read in the FB group already, yesterday marked the first time I've ever heard a Rush album in full - I listened to Clockwork Angels. I did like it, and today I've had trouble getting the choruses of Caravan and The Wreckers out of my head! :jets: I was recommended 2112 and Moving Pictures, so I'll probably pick them up the next time I order something from a record store.
Not bad. Anybody else get the impression that the drummer was a bit sloppy, or was that just me?
Not bad. Anybody else get the impression that the drummer was a bit sloppy, or was that just me?
:lol
Now if I could just find a player, I'd have a reason to buy them.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/RCA-Selectavision-CED-Videodisc-Player-Model-SJT090-5-Movies-Working-/181061351570?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item2a2818f892
im hoping theres more over the summer, would be great to see them in norcal again with my dad, since he took me to my first rush show two years ago :metal
Marc, great idea. I would love to give you my thoughts on the shows I've seen since the GUP tour. I'm in.
Marc, great idea. I would love to give you my thoughts on the shows I've seen since the GUP tour. I'm in.
Nice! :tup If there's at least a few more people who are interested and willing to generate discussion about Rush tours/shows/set lists, I'll start it up tonight with the debut album's tour.
-Marc.
You could, but you'd have to post pics or be accused of being a dirty fibber, liar liar, pants on fire.
You could, but you'd have to post pics or be accused of being a dirty fibber, liar liar, pants on fire.
PM me your email addy and I'll get you pics that prove I'm only about a third dirty fibber, liar liar, pants on fire.
Thought I had both Exit... Stage Left and Through The Camera Eye on Laser Disc (I've got the videos but that doesn't count)
I still think I do, but I can't find them. Have the rest.
I did find Yessongs on 8 track in my search though.
I think that last time was the Power Windows tour?
1987, so I'm assuming it was the Hold Your Fire tour.
Either way, it has been way too long.
I still love or at least like all of their albums except for Test For Echo (and Feedback, but that doesn't really count). That one will always be last place as I think half of its bad and the other half is just decent. Maybe its time to give it another listen.
To me Test For Echo sounds like a bunch of songs that weren't good enough to make it onto Counterparts and a few songs they wrote to make it a full album. I doubt that's the case, but that's what it sounds like to me. Maybe I was being a bit harsh saying that half is bad and the other half is mediocre as I like Driven and Virtuality (god-awful lyrics aside) but it will probably always be my least favorite Rush album.
The only track on Counterparts that really sounds like they were trying to make a grungey song is Stick It Out. As much as I love that album, I will say that the lyrics are not so great (but not as bad as TFE), which seems like a common complaint. But the music is good and fresh, and that's all that matters to me.
T4E songs go like this for me
good
T4E
Driven
Half the World
Resist
Limbo
meh
The Color of Right
Totem
Carve Away the Stone
ugh
Time and Motion
Dog Years
Virtuality
To me Test For Echo sounds like a bunch of songs that weren't good enough to make it onto Counterparts and a few songs they wrote to make it a full album. I doubt that's the case, but that's what it sounds like to me. Maybe I was being a bit harsh saying that half is bad and the other half is mediocre as I like Driven and Virtuality (god-awful lyrics aside) but it will probably always be my least favorite Rush album.
The only track on Counterparts that really sounds like they were trying to make a grungey song is Stick It Out. As much as I love that album, I will say that the lyrics are not so great (but not as bad as TFE), which seems like a common complaint. But the music is good and fresh, and that's all that matters to me.
The problem with TFE, too, is it doesn't sound as good as Counterparts. Where both have that rock power, CP has the clarity to where you can hear every instrument, while still maintaing the power and intensity. TFE sounds like everything was mashed together far too often to make one big giant sound, instead of each instrument having the space to breathe. Factor in that the songwriting on CP was just significantly better, and it is plain as day why fans like myself consider Counterparts better by a massive margin.
You could, but you'd have to post pics or be accused of being a dirty fibber, liar liar, pants on fire.
PM me your email addy and I'll get you pics that prove I'm only about a third dirty fibber, liar liar, pants on fire.
Thought I had both Exit... Stage Left and Through The Camera Eye on Laser Disc (I've got the videos but that doesn't count)
I still think I do, but I can't find them. Have the rest.
I did find Yessongs on 8 track in my search though.
I hope we'll get a link soon, gotta see that. ;D
God i was just like you Ytse. I just tossed out all me old VCR and cassette tapes in a purge. It hurt but really, I won't play VCR and cassettes anymore.
Hey North Carolina folks, I'm thinking of doing the $300 VIP package for the May 3rd show at PNC arena but refuse to spend that much to end up by myself. Anyone else in?
For All death metal fans, Finnish band called Omnium Gatherum (maybe some of you know it..) has done a quite interesting cover from Subdivisions!I was gonna post about this earlier. It's pretty awesome and it's up on YT right now.
I recommend to check it out! :xbones
For All death metal fans, Finnish band called Omnium Gatherum (maybe some of you know it..) has done a quite interesting cover from Subdivisions!
I recommend to check it out! :xbones
For All death metal fans, Finnish band called Omnium Gatherum (maybe some of you know it..) has done a quite interesting cover from Subdivisions!
I recommend to check it out! :xbones
For All death metal fans, Finnish band called Omnium Gatherum (maybe some of you know it..) has done a quite interesting cover from Subdivisions!
I recommend to check it out! :xbones
Currently looking to buy 20th row center tickets for Rush in Baltimore. Thing is they are $171 each and I must buy 2. Anyone else still need a ticket for that show?
Oh, I'm going to Hershey, unfortunately I got a call at work right after they went on sale and the person who then ended up buying tickets for me had to settle on ones I'm not thrilled about. Lower level, in the back 2nd row. Which I'm afraid will be too low to actually be able to effectively see over the seated section, and too far back for the $105 price tag.
AC is on a work weekend, so that's out.
Edit: And as long as you're planning on Hershey by yourself, you can go with me if you'd like. I'll have 3 in my car so there is still room for a 4th.
That Omnium Gatherum cover was cool, but I think that the growls were a bit out of place given the extremely keyboard driven melody. I think that a growling style like Mikeal Akerfeldt's would have been a bit more appropriate.
That Omnium Gatherum cover was cool, but I think that the growls were a bit out of place given the extremely keyboard driven melody. I think that a growling style like Mikeal Akerfeldt's would have been a bit more appropriate.
If you like it, try Red Star: A Tribute to Rush CD.
That Omnium Gatherum cover was cool, but I think that the growls were a bit out of place given the extremely keyboard driven melody. I think that a growling style like Mikeal Akerfeldt's would have been a bit more appropriate.
If you like it, try Red Star: A Tribute to Rush CD.
I remember that CD, and I also remember laughing my ass off at it. So well intentioned, so utterly misguided. And I love death metal, so it isn't that. :lol
"The long wait is finally over. Inspired by the passionate fight going on in Massachusetts right now over which song will become its official State rock song. We decided to launch our own contest to find Canada's official70s rock anthem and you sent us a deluge of nominations. The Q team powered through the flood of entries and after some passionate deliberations a winner was chosen... RUSH - Closer to the Heart. "
https://www.cbc.ca/q/blog/2013/03/15/canadian-70s-rock-anthem-winner-announced/ (https://www.cbc.ca/q/blog/2013/03/15/canadian-70s-rock-anthem-winner-announced/)
"The long wait is finally over. Inspired by the passionate fight going on in Massachusetts right now over which song will become its official State rock song. We decided to launch our own contest to find Canada's official70s rock anthem and you sent us a deluge of nominations. The Q team powered through the flood of entries and after some passionate deliberations a winner was chosen... RUSH - Closer to the Heart. "
https://www.cbc.ca/q/blog/2013/03/15/canadian-70s-rock-anthem-winner-announced/ (https://www.cbc.ca/q/blog/2013/03/15/canadian-70s-rock-anthem-winner-announced/)
Alex, Geddy, and Neil (collectively): ...fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRcZ9OFTG48&feature=youtu.be
The maker of that did an awesome job. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
The time is flying. First Rush show of 2103 in about 9 weeks.
The time is flying. First Rush show of 2103 in about 9 weeks.
Time is indeed flying. I can't wait to see how the band plays with their android limbs. ;)
The time is flying. First Rush show of 2103 in about 9 weeks.
Time is indeed flying. I can't wait to see how the band plays with their android limbs. ;)
They better play The Body Electric.
The time is flying. First Rush show of 2103 in about 9 weeks.
Time is indeed flying. I can't wait to see how the band plays with their android limbs. ;)
They better play The Body Electric.
Difficult to say if it gets sacricifed on this leg for something else or not. I suppose it depends on how much they enjoy playing it.
The time is flying. First Rush show of 2103 in about 9 weeks.
Time is indeed flying. I can't wait to see how the band plays with their android limbs. ;)
They better play The Body Electric.
Difficult to say if it gets sacricifed on this leg for something else or not. I suppose it depends on how much they enjoy playing it.
I was making a joke about androids. Or is your post a joke too? Android limbs...sacrificed, leg... maybe... :justjen
'Rush: Illustrated History' Book Announced
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/entertainment/rush_illustrated_history_book_announced.html
We are know the ones how don't care never type it on the internet.Ummmm... what? :lol
So, apparently a lot of online Rush fans are now pissed that John Rutsey isn't gonna be inducted into the R&RHOF with Geddy, Alex and Neil. :facepalm: :facepalm: What a bunch of freaking crybabies. People piss and moan for years about how Rush should be in that stupid Hall, they finally make it, and yet they still find something to cry about. Unbelievable.
Ah, Alex, always the jokester. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Also, check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-xEr489gHY&feature=player_embedded
:metal :metal
I love Alex so much.
Listening to Cygnus X-1, I just realized how incredibly unique it is in Rush's catalog. It's dark, progressive, atmospheric, and really heavy. It always amazes me.
I love Alex so much.
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2013/04/24/3607/Rush-iTunes-only-digital-album-collections-coming-May-14th
"Both collections are digital only and mastered for iTunes."
No thanks, I will stick my original CDs instead of iTunes' "compressed to death for iPods" versions.
Yeah, I'm not sure why this is supposed to even be a good thing.
The second disc, well, I didn’t know what to make of it. The first three I’d heard all the time on classic rock radio, and agreed that’s what they were: “classics.” But then…. What the hell? Where was the band that kicked ass all over the place on disc 1? How did the guys who did 2112 come up with this stuff? And is this really their greatest hits from this time period? I didn't follow Rush chronologically, since this all took place in the early 90s. Maybe if I did, the musical and stylistic changes would have been more gradual.
Disc 2Tom Sawyer
Red Barchetta
Limelight
A Passage to Bangkok (Live)
Subdivisions
New World Man
Distant Early Warning
Red Sector A
The Big Money
Manhattan Project
Force Ten
Time Stand Still
Mystic Rhythms (Live)
Show Don't Tell
Felt like listening to Signals today.For the longest time, it was my favorite Rush album. Now it's a close second after Permanent Waves.
Its an album that took me a very long time really get into, but I have now since come to appreciate and respect all that it has to offer.
Notable badass albums/notable badass songs:
Counterparts (Animate, Double Agent)
Rush isn't Dream Theater, and they were just tired of making epics after Hemispheres. Simple as that. The synth era, which is what disc 2 is mostly comprised of, is very airy and light. If you want more heavy kick-ass, move past this to 1993 and beyond, Counterparts - Present.
Notable badass albums/notable badass songs:
Counterparts (Animate, Double Agent, Leave That Thing Alone)
Vapor Trails (One Little Victory, Peaceable Kingdom, Nocturne)
Snakes and Arrows (Far Cry, The Main Monkey Business, Malignant Narcissism )
Clockwork Angels (BU2B, Clockwork Angels, Headlong Flight)
Could have something to do with JLB's stamina since most singers who have a style as demanding as JLB's really struggle to maintain their peak level past the age of 40 without resorting to things like shorter sets, altering setlists to include fewer songs that use a lot of high notes, playing songs in a lower key than the original recording (I really hate this one), or spacing shows out more sparsely.
Four times out of five, what Dream Theater does is more demanding than what Rush does.
Four times out of five, what Dream Theater does is more demanding than what Rush does.
tell that to Geddy
Forklifts don't drive themselves.:lol :clap:
Forklifts don't drive themselves.
I hate quoting so incompletely, but I remember DT doing one longer show (or perhaps a couple of them, and I think it was in Australia) in the last few years with Portnoy and afterwards one of them (possibly Portnoy) saying they were wondering, after the show, how could they have been doing such excruciatingly long sets for several years. Whether I am remembering correctly or not, there's no doubt DT got a bit bored and tired of spending three hours on stage every night, otherwise they would still be doing that.You're right - MP mentioned it at least in one of the "Portnoy & Åkerfeldt" interview videos that were done before the Progressive Nation 2008 tour. And the country he was referring to was Australia, because they had never played there before.
Going to my first RUSH concert on Tuesday at the 1st Mariner Arena in Baltimore. The website says 7:30 for the show, is that when the SHOW starts? Or when the doors open? Also, when should I get there, keeping in mind traffic and parking? I was thinking 6:30 arrival time and all.
I cannot wait for my FIRST Rush show ever!!!
-Marc.
Going to my first RUSH concert on Tuesday at the 1st Mariner Arena in Baltimore. The website says 7:30 for the show, is that when the SHOW starts? Or when the doors open? Also, when should I get there, keeping in mind traffic and parking? I was thinking 6:30 arrival time and all.
I cannot wait for my FIRST Rush show ever!!!
-Marc.
Marc, I can't believe it's your first Rush show?!
Four times out of five, what Dream Theater does is more demanding than what Rush does.
tell that to Geddy
Exactly. When you factor in singing, bass playing, keyboard playing and triggering whatever, nobody in Dream Theater has anything on Geddy when it comes to on-stage demands.
Didn't realize there were still some Rush virgins around here.*raises hand* and I will probably remain such until they show up here, which is not likely to happen. The only band for which I'd be able to overcome my fear of traveling long distances is Dream Theater. And they won't even be touring Europe until late this year or early next year and I am already preparing myself mentally for that because I need all that time to prepare :lol
Didn't realize there were still some Rush virgins around here.*raises hand* and I will probably remain such until they show up here, which is not likely to happen. The only band for which I'd be able to overcome my fear of traveling long distances is Dream Theater. And they won't even be touring Europe until late this year or early next year and I am already preparing myself mentally for that because I need all that time to prepare :lol
That one is not up to me, but up to my friends :lolDidn't realize there were still some Rush virgins around here.*raises hand* and I will probably remain such until they show up here, which is not likely to happen. The only band for which I'd be able to overcome my fear of traveling long distances is Dream Theater. And they won't even be touring Europe until late this year or early next year and I am already preparing myself mentally for that because I need all that time to prepare :lol
So, someone's going to miss the Maiden show in Zagreb.... ::) :facepalm:
Wow!I'm seeing Rush for the first time this summer too.
Didn't realize there were still some Rush virgins around here. Have fun guys. Every show is special.
I didn't see Rush until the Time Machine tour.
I didn't see Rush until the Hemispheres tour.
Yeah, I was just being a dick there. People were saying how they hadn't seen Rush until relatively recently, and I saw them before some people here were even born. Fogies have to get their kicks where they can find them.You haven't only seen them before I was born, you've seen them more-years-than-I-am-actually-old-right-now-before I was born :metal
Yeah, I was just being a dick there. People were saying how they hadn't seen Rush until relatively recently, and I saw them before some people here were even born. Fogies have to get their kicks where they can find them.You haven't only seen them before I was born, you've seen them more-years-than-I-am-actually-old-right-now-before I was born :metal
I can make your brain hurt any time, sweetie :angel:Yeah, I was just being a dick there. People were saying how they hadn't seen Rush until relatively recently, and I saw them before some people here were even born. Fogies have to get their kicks where they can find them.You haven't only seen them before I was born, you've seen them more-years-than-I-am-actually-old-right-now-before I was born :metal
My brain hurts. Thanks, Milena.
Actually Hemispheres was only 14ish years before you were born. Hope I eased some of that envy for ya :tup... to my defense, when I opened the door to a dude who rang this morning, I said "good evening".
Any information regarding their new live (Clockwork Angels) dvd?
Show in Raleigh was freaking baller. If I'm being honest, the selfish, ungrateful side of me wishes they would have played some more classic material. Because they only played like five classics, it was only a 10/10 show, instead of an 11/10.
OH YEA AND THEY PLAYED 2112 AHHH
I didn't see Rush until the Roll the Bones tour. And have been obsessed ever since. :biggrin:I first saw them on the Presto tour but feel pretty much the same. It's funny looking back. I remember when I saw them back then thinking how glad I was to see them with them being in the later stages of their career. 23 years later they are still around and going strong. I'm really looking forward to their show in Denver in August.
I didn't see Rush until the Roll the Bones tour. And have been obsessed ever since. :biggrin:I first saw them on the Presto tour but feel pretty much the same. It's funny looking back. I remember when I saw them back then thinking how glad I was to see them with them being in the later stages of their career. 23 years later they are still around and going strong. I'm really looking forward to their show in Denver in August.
Show in Raleigh was freaking baller. If I'm being honest, the selfish, ungrateful side of me wishes they would have played some more classic material. Because they only played like five classics, it was only a 10/10 show, instead of an 11/10.
OH YEA AND THEY PLAYED 2112 AHHH
I was at this show, too. My wife and I took our daughter, for whom this was her first rock concert.
I didn't see Rush until the Hemispheres tour.
How is Limelight a deal breaker? It's a great song, but I'm sure you've heard it 23525 times live already and chances are it will come back every night on future tours before they stop.
How is Limelight a deal breaker? It's a great song, but I'm sure you've heard it 23525 times live already and chances are it will come back every night on future tours before they stop.
Almost a year later, and the album is still growing on me. I might even put it among their best albums, it's already above some classics on my list.Agree. I have had it on my mobile since the day it was released and I listen to it when I'm riding my bike to work.
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2013/04/24/3607/Rush-iTunes-only-digital-album-collections-coming-May-14th
"Both collections are digital only and mastered for iTunes."
No thanks, I will stick my original CDs instead of iTunes' "compressed to death for iPods" versions.
I think it's definitely the best album since Power Windows.
I think it's definitely the best album since Power Windows.
Nothing screams context to me quite like this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KLuYXT6QMU
Brings a tear to your eye. At least it does to mine.
Nothing screams context to me quite like this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KLuYXT6QMU
Brings a tear to your eye. At least it does to mine.
The people have spoken.
Nothing screams context to me quite like this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KLuYXT6QMU
Brings a tear to your eye. At least it does to mine.
Nothing screams context to me quite like this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KLuYXT6QMU
Brings a tear to your eye. At least it does to mine.
The biggest F-U to Mr. Rolling Stone.
Birmingham UK 26 May
You lucky North Americans already know this, but F*CK WHAT A SHOW! The band were on fire, looser yet more together than I've ever seen them, with some gorgeous guitar work from Alex in particular. The projections, the lights, the moving screens, the pyrotechnics, the STRINGS!
Damn near perfect. We got the "Middletown Dreams" version, and the first set did sag a little as a result.
Highlights? Just about all of it - Force Ten (blistering guitar solo), Analog Kid (song of the night?)The Pass (one of my faves), Far Cry (despite Alex f*cking up the intro), Caravan (lovely string arrangements), Carnies (not even a song I particularly like, but they nailed it), The Wreckers (nice little detail with the lights continuing the rain effect off the screen), The Garden, Dreamline (lovely string arrangements), YYZ (manic!), 2112 (Loved Stewie Griffin's cameo!). The DVD CANNOT come soon enough!
Why aren't all bands this great? Shame the car park was about 2 miles away from the venue, mind.
jingle.boy:
Back on the topic of CA... I finally got around to finishing the book last night, and had another listen thru the album today. Definitely one of their best ever.
New topic: which song on every album is the best indicator of Geddy's greatness as a bassist? Off the top of my head...
Rush: What You're Doing
Fly by Night: Fly by Night
Caress of Steel; The Necromancer
2112: 2112
A Farewell to Kings: Cygnus X-1
Hemispheres: Hemispheres (especially Prelude)
Permanent Waves: Freewill
Moving Pictures: YYZ
Signals: The Analog Kid
Grace Under Pressure: The Enemy Within
Power Windows: Territories
Hold Your Fire: Prime Mover
Presto: Chain Lightning
Roll the Bones: Where's My Thing
Counterparts: Animate
Test for Echo: Limbo
Vapor Trails: Ceiling Unlimited
Snakes & Arrows: Malignant Narcissism
Clockwork Angels: Headlong Flight
New topic: which song on every album is the best indicator of Geddy's greatness as a bassist? Off the top of my head...
Counterparts: Animate
For me, Hold Your Fire is Open Secrets and Counterparts is Leave That Thing Alone.
I like that list....but to not put La Villa above the title track???? :(
But as far as showing off Geddy's chops as a bass player?? Nothing beats La Villa.
ANDY VANDETTE COMMENTS ON MIX OF LATEST "VAPOR TRAILS" DIGITAL RELEASE
On May 14th iTunes released two new digital only Rush collections, Rush The Complete Mercury Years, the complete Rush album collection from 1974-1987, as well as Rush: The Studio Albums 1989-2007. The collections are also available on HDTracks.
Upon hearing of the new digital release of Vapor Trails, and reading some of the reviews, I contacted Andy VanDette to ask the big question: is this the long awaited Vapor Trails remaster of the original master tapes, or just a remix?:QuoteThese are the original mixes, but with a much different treatment. For what it is worth........A typical album takes me about 8 hours to master. I spent 4 days on VT, trying to find a way to emphasize the positive, and downplay the negative, with a "car test" every morning on my way in to the studio. I knew this album in particular would receive tremendous scrutiny. Being a musician, growing up on the other side of Niagara Falls from the band, Rush had a huge influence on me. I hope I have done their catalog justice.
Check it out. I hope you will agree that VT sounds much less 'overblown'. I tried to design it to be more open and dynamic.
I hope you enjoy it.
Cheers,
Andy VanDette
Chief Mastering Engineer
Masterdisk NYC
Geddy the creeper...
Wishing this had a physical release, I'd gladly buy the new version and get rid of my old copy.
HD TRACKS OF NEW RUSH MASTERS NOW AVAILABLE/NEW ATLANTIC-ERA REMASTERS COMING IN PHYSICAL FORMATS
Yesterday iTunes released two new Rush collections, "mastered for iTunes". Those same collections were also released on HD Tracks: the Mercury era are offered in the same Sectors collections released on CD in 2011, while the Atlantic era is offered by the same name as the iTunes collection "The Studio Albums 1989-2007".
We have now learned that these are new remasters by Andy VanDette. To be clear, the Mercury catalog was remastered by VanDette in 2011 for the Sectors boxed sets. VanDette has now completed the rest of the Rush catalog, according to yesterday's announcement by Masterdisk:QuoteRush fans rejoice! Andy VanDette's highly-acclaimed remastering work for Rush continues! Andy recently completed the series of albums from 1989's "Presto" to 2007's "Snakes and Arrows." The new remasters will first see release at the Mastered for iTunes store, then HD Tracks, and later in physical formats.Accordingly, it appears we can expect the Atlantic era to be released in physical formats soon. - Thanks to David Pressman and Steve Thorpe for the headsup!
Hmm, I wonder which album will get the 5.1 treatment is they keep with the format they used for the other sectors. Shouldn't be Snakes as it already has one, so I would think either Roll the Bones or Test for Echo would be most improved by the 5.1/
Um...
(https://cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/images/books/prog-04.2013/prog-04.2013-1.jpg)
nicmos:
I remember my first listen to Counterparts on its release day. When the bridge came in Animate and that bass came to the front, I had a huge smile on my face. Probably the best moment on that whole album if you ask me.
KevShmev:
On another note, after finally seeing the R30 Blu-ray, which has the entire concert (unlike the DVD), I can safely say that it is easily the 2nd best Rush live concert release since their hiatus (behind only Rio). I used to think S&A live was better, but the crowd and band are way more energetic on R30, which results in a far greater overall performance. For whatever reason, Alex looks stoic and bored out of his mind for a lot of S&A Live, while on R30, he is smiling non-stop, moving around a lot and generally having a blast.
I know the set list of the S&A tour was majorly awesome for most people, including myself, but a superior set list alone cannot make one concert better than another. And I wouldn't even say that the S&A set list was better than R30, but S&A brought back a bunch of songs either never played before or not played in a long time, while R30 repeated a lot of the VT tour set list, but so what? Any concert video that has 2112, La Villa Strangiato, By-Tor and the Snow Dog and Xanadu all played in succession is .
Hmm, I wonder which album will get the 5.1 treatment is they keep with the format they used for the other sectors. Shouldn't be Snakes as it already has one, so I would think either Roll the Bones or Test for Echo would be most improved by the 5.1/
Considering it's an Atlantic release and not Mercury, I don't think it'll match or be similar to the Mercury Sectors box sets. I'm expecting the Atlantic Years box set to be released one of two ways:
-1 HUGE box set with all 7 albums
-2 Box sets that go Presto-Test For Echo, and then VT-FB-S&A.
It's unusual considering, unlike the Sectors sets, the Atlantic Years one does not (yet) include Different Stages. Then again, the other box sets' live albums all ended with single-disc live albums where as DS is a 3-disc set, so I can see why they wouldn't include it. It's also a fairly recent live album (in terms of being from the last 20 years).
Honestly, if they wanted to really sell the box set, they wouldn't include Feedback and Snakes & Arrows. They're really recent and I don't think they need a physical remaster release.
Just release a 5-disc box set from the Atlantic Years of Presto-to-Vapor Trails.
-Marc.
call Presto Rush's "easy listening album." :lol
QuoteKevShmev:
On another note, after finally seeing the R30 Blu-ray, which has the entire concert (unlike the DVD), I can safely say that it is easily the 2nd best Rush live concert release since their hiatus (behind only Rio). I used to think S&A live was better, but the crowd and band are way more energetic on R30, which results in a far greater overall performance. For whatever reason, Alex looks stoic and bored out of his mind for a lot of S&A Live, while on R30, he is smiling non-stop, moving around a lot and generally having a blast.
I know the set list of the S&A tour was majorly awesome for most people, including myself, but a superior set list alone cannot make one concert better than another. And I wouldn't even say that the S&A set list was better than R30, but S&A brought back a bunch of songs either never played before or not played in a long time, while R30 repeated a lot of the VT tour set list, but so what? Any concert video that has 2112, La Villa Strangiato, By-Tor and the Snow Dog and Xanadu all played in succession is .
That's odd. I think R30 is the worst concert DVD in the last 12 years. My reasoning for this is I think their performances, while solid, aren't as amazing as the other live releases during that time period.
Now, I don't have the blu-ray (Which I suppose I'll get eventually) so whatever I don't have (Is it 6 songs?) may be up to snuff.
But aside from stellar performances of Earthshine, Red Barchetta, Roll The Bones, One Little Victory (from the Working Men set) Between The Wheels, and Overture/Temples/Xanadu, I don't they they consistently reach the high level that we've become used to over the last 12 years. (and even since the Test For Echo Tour.)
Now worst in this case isn't bad, I just don't think the performance level is as good as the others although the fun is certainly there.
call Presto Rush's "easy listening album." :lol
Presto, when it came out, was the rockingest :metal Rush album for many a year. The guitars were back to the fore, and the synths had all but disappeared. It's a shame it has that tinny, treble heavy production sound that was popular at the time but ensures that it has dated more than the earlier stuff.
Show Don't Tell, Presto, Chain Lightning, The Pass and Superconductor are stonking tracks, and the rest isn't that far behind. it's one of my favourite Rush albums. I bought the remaster a few years ago, and it didn't add anything to the original CD. Here's hoping the new version adds a little more bass so that it doesn't sound quite so bad.
Presto, like Vapor Trails, is chock full of good music, ruined by poor production decisions. Its many things, but easy listening it isn't.
A superior set list does not always automatically equal a better show.
A superior set list does not always automatically equal a better show.
Absolutely not, but I still enjoy S&A more. While R30 remains my least favorite of the post-VT live shows, it got so much better with the Blu-Ray release a few years back and is finally in the same league as the others.
If the setlist and energy of this tour is any indication, coupled with the fact that Geddy sounds better this tour than the last three, then the new Blu-Ray is going to be the best yet.
If the next tour goes back to VT, I just hope they treat it like Presto and make it something never played before or something that only got played on the original tour. One Little Victory, Earthshine, and Secret Touch all should stay retired.
Of the unplayed songs, I think the title track would come across the best live now.
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On another note, after finally seeing the R30 Blu-ray, which has the entire concert (unlike the DVD), I can safely say that it is easily the 2nd best Rush live concert release since their hiatus (behind only Rio). I used to think S&A live was better, but the crowd and band are way more energetic on R30, which results in a far greater overall performance. For whatever reason, Alex looks stoic and bored out of his mind for a lot of S&A Live, while on R30, he is smiling non-stop, moving around a lot and generally having a blast.
I know the set list of the S&A tour was majorly awesome for most people, including myself, but a superior set list alone cannot make one concert better than another. And I wouldn't even say that the S&A set list was better than R30, but S&A brought back a bunch of songs either never played before or not played in a long time, while R30 repeated a lot of the VT tour set list, but so what? Any concert video that has 2112, La Villa Strangiato, By-Tor and the Snow Dog and Xanadu all played in succession is .
That's odd. I think R30 is the worst concert DVD in the last 12 years. My reasoning for this is I think their performances, while solid, aren't as amazing as the other live releases during that time period.
Now, I don't have the blu-ray (Which I suppose I'll get eventually) so whatever I don't have (Is it 6 songs?) may be up to snuff.
But aside from stellar performances of Earthshine, Red Barchetta, Roll The Bones, One Little Victory (from the Working Men set) Between The Wheels, and Overture/Temples/Xanadu, I don't they they consistently reach the high level that we've become used to over the last 12 years. (and even since the Test For Echo Tour.)
Now worst in this case isn't bad, I just don't think the performance level is as good as the others although the fun is certainly there.
Five days ago, I would have agreed with you, but after seeing the Blu-ray, with the EIGHT songs on there that aren't on the DVD, I realized I was dead wrong. Plus, we watched some of the S&ALive one, and there was no comparison when it came to energy (of both the band and the crowd) and excitement. Don't get me wrong, they kick ass on S&A Live, too, but like I said before, Alex looks way too bored out of mind more often than not on that one, while he is full of energy and smiles on R30. I know he varies from show to show in that regard in general, so R30 probably just caught him on a great night, while S&A Live did not (not from a playing standpoint, but from a visual standpoint when it comes to having fun up there).
call Presto Rush's "easy listening album." :lol
Presto, when it came out, was the rockingest :metal Rush album for many a year. The guitars were back to the fore, and the synths had all but disappeared. It's a shame it has that tinny, treble heavy production sound that was popular at the time but ensures that it has dated more than the earlier stuff.
Show Don't Tell, Presto, Chain Lightning, The Pass and Superconductor are stonking tracks, and the rest isn't that far behind. it's one of my favourite Rush albums. I bought the remaster a few years ago, and it didn't add anything to the original CD. Here's hoping the new version adds a little more bass so that it doesn't sound quite so bad.
Presto, like Vapor Trails, is chock full of good music, ruined by poor production decisions. Its many things, but easy listening it isn't.
I wouldn't call Presto any more rocking than any of the synth era albums - I think some probably said that because they keys were toned way down, so the natural thought was, the guitars and the rock are back - but I called it Rush's easy listening album because of the production. Even the most rocking songs really do not kick your ass because the production doesn't allow them to. I agree that it does stand out in that regard - no other Rush album sounds like it.
I attended a Rush show in Berlin two days ago, and it was the best concert I've ever seen. It was also the peak of my concert insanity, being that never had I traveled such a long distance in order to see a band - not to mention that it wasn't too cheap, but man, was such a once in a lifetime experience worth it or what? Kudos to Rush, they set the bar as high as possible.
Set list:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/rush/2013/o2-world-berlin-germany-2bd9f06a.html
The presence of the R30 Overture alone makes R30 great. I think I had forgotten how great that medley was. And frankly, I don't know why they don't do that type of medley on every tour. It is obvious that Geddy cannot sing a lot of those old songs anymore, but doing instrumental medleys of those 70s songs would at least be throwing a bone to fans who long to hear the band play some of that material again.
A trailer for the new dvd is up.
https://vimeo.com/67914987 (https://vimeo.com/67914987)
Ha! I made it into the trailer, at least the youtube version (which looks like it's down now). Not sure if it was different than the vimeo or not.
about 30/31 seconds in I'm the guy with his arms in the air wearing the S&A jersey
is there a release date yet?
Out of curiosity, what's everyone's four favorite Rush albums? :metal Personally mine are Clockwork Angels, Power Windows, Permanent Waves and A Farewell To Kings. :metal
Out of curiosity, what's everyone's four favorite Rush albums? :metal Personally mine are Clockwork Angels, Power Windows, Permanent Waves and A Farewell To Kings. :metal
1. Hemispheres
2. Permanent Waves
3. Power Windows
4. Moving Pictures
5. Test for Echo/Clockwork Angels (tie)
EDIT: Sorry...I thought you said five. Oh well, there it is.
I have a hard time ranking Rush albums. What I can say definitively is that my favorite album is Hemispheres, my favorite run of albums is Caress of Steel through Power Windows, and thatClockwork Angels is my favorite album since Power Windows.
Out of curiosity, what's everyone's four favorite Rush albums?
We'll do a special tour and we'll look closely at some of the songs we haven't played for a long, long time. As for a new record we haven't really thought that far ahead yet./quote]
Translation (in regards to the bolded): They'll play a few 90s songs they haven't played since that decade, and Neil will reject the really old 70s songs they suggest. :lol :lol
I just want them to play Emotion Detector. Once. I don't care if not a single other song from Power Windows is played, but EMOTION DETECTOR IS THE ONLY ONE THEY HAVEN'T PLAYED.
And lets not forget the infamously unplayed-even-though-everyone-wants-it-to-be-played song, Jacob's Ladder.
Fountain of Lamneth.I would go absolutely bananas.
Just putting it out there
Rush: A Farewell to Kings (Mercury, 1977) The most obnoxious band currently making a killing on the zonked teen circuit. Not to be confused with Mahogany Rush, who at least spare us the reactionary gentility. More like Angel. Or Kansas. Or a power-trio Uriah Heep, with vocals revved up an octave. Or two. D
Fountain of Lamneth.Oh please no.
Just putting it out there
I just want them to play Emotion Detector. Once. I don't care if not a single other song from Power Windows is played, but EMOTION DETECTOR IS THE ONLY ONE THEY HAVEN'T PLAYED.I'd love to see them play Emotion Detector. I'd take it over Jacob's Ladder to be honest.
:lol :lol Is "D" the grade?
It is impossible to understand why anyone would buy a D record.
:lol :lol Is "D" the grade?
:lol :lol Is "D" the grade?
No. It's what he had in his mouth as he typed that.
It sure would be nice to see them play ALL of Xanadu just freaking once. I have seen them on every tour since 1991, and Xanadu has been played on three of them, but never in full:
Roll the Bones tour: they played the first seven minutes before segueing into Superconductor (biggest WTF in Rush history, although I was still too green of a fan at the time to know it :lol).
Counterparts tour: they played the first seven minutes before segueing into the Hemispheres Prelude (which was awesome and unexpected, but still).
R30 tour: they played an abridged version, pretty much skipping the first two minutes, the second verse and the ending.
No Kev is correct. And that wasn't Xanadu's first appearance in a while. It was played on the Presto tour as well. If my memory of those tours and live recordings are accurate, Xanadu's truncated form was identical on the Presto, RTB, and Counterparts tours. On the Presto tour it segued into YYZ instead.It sure would be nice to see them play ALL of Xanadu just freaking once. I have seen them on every tour since 1991, and Xanadu has been played on three of them, but never in full:
Roll the Bones tour: they played the first seven minutes before segueing into Superconductor (biggest WTF in Rush history, although I was still too green of a fan at the time to know it :lol).
Counterparts tour: they played the first seven minutes before segueing into the Hemispheres Prelude (which was awesome and unexpected, but still).
R30 tour: they played an abridged version, pretty much skipping the first two minutes, the second verse and the ending.
Really? I recall that it was the first time they brought it back out since the 70s, and I thought they did the whole thing. I remember a really cool laser show along with it. I could be wrong though, as I was higher than a kite all day long, and we broke out a Cheech-and-Chong sized reefer specifically for Xanadu. :hat
I've seen Rush on almost every tour since Presto. Missed R30 and I'll be seeing them on this tour in a little over a month. There are still a number of songs I still haven't seen performed live that I would love to.
Songs I'd love to hear them play but probably won't due to the very high vocals:
Hemispheres
Cygnus X-1
Fountain of Lamneth
The Necromancer
Songs I'd love to hear that I think they could actually pull off:
Jacob's Ladder
Losing It
Afterimage
The Enemy Within
Emotion Detector
Open Secrets
Chain Lightning
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I've seen Rush on almost every tour since Presto. Missed R30 and I'll be seeing them on this tour in a little over a month. There are still a number of songs I still haven't seen performed live that I would love to.
Songs I'd love to hear them play but probably won't due to the very high vocals:
Hemispheres
Cygnus X-1
Fountain of Lamneth
The Necromancer
Songs I'd love to hear that I think they could actually pull off:
Jacob's Ladder
Losing It
Afterimage
The Enemy Within
Emotion Detector
Open Secrets
Chain Lightning
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FTFM ;D
They could play all of Counterparts and I'd be pretty happy.
Yeah, saw this on my FB feed this morning.
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It would reach critical Canadian potential if they were eating poutine out of the top of it.
Yeah, saw this on my FB feed this morning.
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One week 'til they hit the closest thing to Neil's hometown - Hamilton. :caffeine:
Looks like it's gonna be a Rush listening week.
So the Hamilton show was spectacular! Lerxst's guitar was a little quiet in the first set, but they seemed to fix that for set 2. All around, a pretty epic performance.
Did it have anything to do with two grown men kissing something that literally thousands of unwashed hands have touched?
Geddy seems to be keeping a safe distance, but Alex looks like he'd go for some tongue action if only a proper orifice were available.
Different Strings is such a great song that gets ruined by a stupid fadeout at the epic guitar solo ending. I need to find a live version.
Different Strings is such a great song that gets ruined by a stupid fadeout at the epic guitar solo ending. I need to find a live version.
Rush has never played it live, if I'm not mistaken. Possibly because they don't have a full-time keyboard player playing the piano parts. However, Dream Theater has covered it live.
Different Strings is such a great song that gets ruined by a stupid fadeout at the epic guitar solo ending. I need to find a live version.
Rush has never played it live, if I'm not mistaken. Possibly because they don't have a full-time keyboard player playing the piano parts. However, Dream Theater has covered it live.
True. "Different Strings" lands in the "album-only" piece that has never gotten played live. Oddly enough, a lot of songs in the second-to-last position in the album have never been played live: Before And After, Rivendell, Tears, Madrigal, Different Strings, Losing It, Emotion Detector, and Tai Shan.
For a couple tours, "Witch Hunt" was like that, as well, being a more involved piece musically speaking. The arrangements made it a bit tougher to perform live with the equipment they had back then. It seems all (or most) of these 2nd-to-last songs are very different and would prove to be harder to perform live, and I wonder if they did that on purpose for so many of their albums (at least up to HYF).
-Marc.
Due to recent flooding and water damage at the Scotiabank Saddledome, the RUSH concert originally scheduled for Wednesday July 24 had to be cancelled.
Rush has been moved by the situation in Alberta and have decided to perform their Clockwork Angels show at the closest location possible on the same date – Wednesday, July 24 in Red Deer, Alberta at the Enmax Centrium – and have ALL PROCEEDS to go Alberta Flood Relief.
Rush will be donating their fee, and paying for all their expenses. Their promoter partner Live Nation will also be donating their time and fees towards this cause. The venue, Enmax Centrium, will be donating goods and services to the event as well. It’s an all –hands-on-deck situation to donate time in order to raise as much money possible for our Alberta friends and fellow Canadians in need.
Seeing them for the first time ever tonight! So excited!
How much do shirts usually cost at a Rush show?
Class act all the way. Regarding their show in Calgary.QuoteDue to recent flooding and water damage at the Scotiabank Saddledome, the RUSH concert originally scheduled for Wednesday July 24 had to be cancelled.
Rush has been moved by the situation in Alberta and have decided to perform their Clockwork Angels show at the closest location possible on the same date – Wednesday, July 24 in Red Deer, Alberta at the Enmax Centrium – and have ALL PROCEEDS to go Alberta Flood Relief.
Rush will be donating their fee, and paying for all their expenses. Their promoter partner Live Nation will also be donating their time and fees towards this cause. The venue, Enmax Centrium, will be donating goods and services to the event as well. It’s an all –hands-on-deck situation to donate time in order to raise as much money possible for our Alberta friends and fellow Canadians in need.
That is so awesome TL. I've been to 30 shows and I still get surprised seeing them. It never gets stale.I legitimately wish I had bought a ticket to the second Halifax show on Sunday.
https://news.2112.net/2013/07/vapor-trails-remix-coming-soon.htmlThat could have been neat if it was 2002. Nowadays,I really don't care about Vapor Trails.
Amazon has it for $55
I never listened to it enough for it for it to grow on me, because of the sound quality. This will give me a chance to dig some "new" Rush.
Lovely cover. :heart
Assuming the price of the vinyl comes down to a point I find acceptable, I already know what I'm doing on release day.
I'm going to put the vinyl in, and the old CD in, and the first thing I'm going to listen to is One Little Victory on CD. Then I'll throw on the vinyl and hopefully be all the more blown away by this. I have listened to Vapor Trails so little I will practically be treating this as the release of a new Rush album, can't wait!
Go for the odd. Play Lawrence Gowan's Lost Brotherhood since he played on it.
Okay, I just read the Wikipedia entry for Lawrence Gowan. I had no idea that the guy had been around so long and had a successful solo career prior to joining Styx. I'd never heard of him.His first solo album "Gowan" is pretty cool.
Okay, I just read the Wikipedia entry for Lawrence Gowan. I had no idea that the guy had been around so long and had a successful solo career prior to joining Styx. I'd never heard of him.
Okay, I just read the Wikipedia entry for Lawrence Gowan. I had no idea that the guy had been around so long and had a successful solo career prior to joining Styx. I'd never heard of him.
Yup. That was how I found out about his music. Since I was a Rush nut, I had to pick up his album when Alex was playing on it. I was real happy when I found out he joined Styx.
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I finally watched/listened to 2112 Five Point One over the weekend. I had read some reviews of it, so the relatively conservative use of the surround channels was expected, but still somewhat disappointing. I had hoped that the few reviews I'd read (before I stopped reading them) were exaggerated due to the reviewers being disappointed, but they really weren't. The presentation is similar to that of a movie which is dialogue-heavy. The vast majority of the soundstage is in the fronts, with the rears/surrounds used only for some ambience from time to time. Not really a very immersive experience, but I don't think that that was what they were going for. It was simply an artistic choice (by Richard Chycki, by the way).
I do recall a few times when I heard guitar parts and/or percussion coming from corners of the room where I don't even have speakers. This of course was achieved by mixing partway between the left front and rear, or right front and rear, with the apparent location of the sound somewhere in between. That was nicely done. I suppose that if the effect were used too much, it would become tedious, but overall I prefer a more immersive experience from 5.1 music. This is practically a stereo mix with just a little extra space maybe 10% of the time, 20% tops. So if you were expecting Neil's tom fills to wrap around the room or the layers of guitars spread around the room, you too will be disappointed.
What I was not expecting was the graphic novel which accompanied the story. Actually, the entire album is accompanied by illustrated panels. The "super deluxe" version contains a 40-page comic book, and I'm assuming that that is what we get to see here, synchronized to the album as it unfolds. The "story notes" part of the title suite is included, which was nice, and the lyrics themselves appear in speech bubbles as spoken/sung by the characters. "2112" was done pretty well, with most of the story laid out pretty much as I'd imagined it in my head. The only real deviation was "Discovery" which I found interesting, but ultimately the artist's interpretation didn't make much sense to me.
Once the title suite was over, I was somewhat surprised that "Side Two" of the album was also illustrated, so that was cool. It was a huge task in the first place, so I shouldn't really harp on the shortcuts taken by the graphic artist, but by the end it was downright distracting. Most of "Something for Nothing" was a single illustration with the lyrics added as they came up in the song. Each song had a somewhat different feel, which was cool, and it's possible that that was just how the artist had envisioned the song, but since it was the last song on the album, it had the effect of seeming like he was just tired or out of time and used a huge shortcut at the end.
Overall, it was great. While the surround was not as immersive as I would have liked, hearing 2112 in 96kHz / 24-bit PCM on my home theater system, very loudly (no one else was home) was worth the price, and the graphics only added to the experience.
What did you think of the surround mix?
I was informed that Dark Side of the Moon had been changed around 10 or so years ago, but I'm going to assume it went the way of new Coke since I haven't seen that change recently.
I guess that because it's "trendy" these days to remix important albums in 5.1 that I expected more. I've got some Genesis, ELP, even Elton John, in 5.1, and it's pretty impressive. The new packaging here (more on that in a second) seemed to indicate that this was a whole new experience. The surround mix, the graphic novel unfolding, the awesome audio quality.I've got the Genesis catalog in 5.1 as well as ELP's Brain Salad Surgery. The two were done in completely different ways. The mix on BSS is drastically different. I'm hearing things I never heard before (which isn't a bad thing) but they also seemed to add or change their effects on the album as well. The Genesis stuff is a new mix for sure, but not so much so that it sounds completely different like BSS did. I think both approaches are OK. I know Banks specifically didn't want it to go so far away from the original.
I guess that because it's "trendy" these days to remix important albums in 5.1 that I expected more. I've got some Genesis, ELP, even Elton John, in 5.1, and it's pretty impressive. The new packaging here (more on that in a second) seemed to indicate that this was a whole new experience. The surround mix, the graphic novel unfolding, the awesome audio quality.I've got the Genesis catalog in 5.1 as well as ELP's Brain Salad Surgery. The two were done in completely different ways. The mix on BSS is drastically different. I'm hearing things I never heard before (which isn't a bad thing) but they also seemed to add or change their effects on the album as well. The Genesis stuff is a new mix for sure, but not so much so that it sounds completely different like BSS did. I think both approaches are OK. I know Banks specifically didn't want it to go so far away from the original.
To me, changing the mix and being faithful to the original are almost (though not quite) contradictory.
I figured that the conservative surround mix had to have been approved by the band, but I didn't realize that they had specifically told Chycki to go that way (which I assume happened, since that's what we got). It seems like a missed opportunity to me, but as I said, it was an artistic choice; this is what they wanted.
I guess that because it's "trendy" these days to remix important albums in 5.1 that I expected more. I've got some Genesis, ELP, even Elton John, in 5.1, and it's pretty impressive. The new packaging here (more on that in a second) seemed to indicate that this was a whole new experience. The surround mix, the graphic novel unfolding, the awesome audio quality.
But the surround was far from immersive, the graphic novel was interesting once, but I don't think I'm going to bother with it again, and that pretty much leaves the better sound quality (which was nice) and new cover, so overall I'm not sure if it was really worth the price. Yeah, there's the extras, which I haven't even checked out yet, come to think of it. But those could easily have been put on a "regular" remix/remaster as bonus stuff.
As an example I have four copies of Close To The Edge (not even my favorite Yes album) and When Steven Wilson is done with his I'll have a fifth.
As an example I have four copies of Close To The Edge (not even my favorite Yes album) and When Steven Wilson is done with his I'll have a fifth.
Wait. Steven Wilson is doing a 5.1 mix of Close To The Edge?! How did I miss that?! That's awesomely fantastic!
AUDIO AND VIDEO RELEASES INCLUDE EPIC VERSIONS OF SONGS RARELY PERFORMED AND NEVER-BEFORE CAPTURED ALONGSIDE NEWLY REWORKED ARRANGEMENTS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CLOCKWORK ANGELS TOUR;
BLURAY/DVD INCLUDES EXCLUSIVE BACKSTAGE TOUR DOCUMENTARY, SOUNDCHECK FOOTAGE, AND TOUR FILM OUTTAKES IN ADDITION TO THE 3 HOUR CONCERT FILM
Rush have unveiled details for their first new recording since being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame earlier this year. On November 19th, “RUSH: CLOCKWORK ANGELS TOUR” will be released simultaneously via Anthem/Roadrunner Records on CD and the companion BLURAY/DVD on Anthem/Zoe Vision/Rounder.
“RUSH: CLOCKWORK ANGELS TOUR” was filmed and recorded last November at the American Airlines Arena in Dallas, Texas, during Rush’s highly successful Clockwork Angels Tour. The eleven month-marathon world tour crossed North America twice and ventured overseas to Europe in support of the band’s acclaimed 2012 studio release “CLOCKWORK ANGELS.”
In capturing the tour’s electrifying three hour set, “RUSH: CLOCKWORK ANGELS TOUR” pairs Rush classics (“Tom Sawyer,” “The Spirit Of Radio,” “2112″), with a nod to the 80′s Rush era (The Analog Kid,” “Territories,” “Subdivisions”) alongside newly reworked arrangements specifically for the tour featuring the Clockwork Angels String Ensemble (“Headlong Flight,” “YYZ,” “Red Sector A”). The string section marks the first time the trio has brought additional musicians on the road with them. To showcase their latest studio release, the epic set list also features nine tracks off “CLOCKWORK ANGELS.” Other highlights include tracks rarely performed and never before recorded live (“The Body Electric,” “Middletown Dreams”), in addition to three separate drum solos by the incomparable Neil Peart.
Beyond the incredible live performances, the DVD includes a 25-minute tour documentary titled “Can’t Stop Thinking Big”, featuring interviews with all 3 members, exclusive and behind the scenes footage, and offers a glimpse into the inner workings of the Rush tour machine and insight into the band members themselves. Other special features on the DVD include the trio of hilarious shorts created specifically for the tour as well as interviews and outtakes captured during their filming. Additional filmed sketches and a rare soundcheck performance of perennial favourite “Limelight” round out the exclusive offerings.
“RUSH: CLOCKWORK ANGELS TOUR” comes on the heels of Anthem/Atlantic’s September 30th release of “VAPOR TRAILS REMIXED,” a newly remixed version of the band’s 2002 album VAPOR TRAILS and 7-disc boxed set “THE STUDIO ALBUMS 1989-2007,” which features every studio album Rush recorded for Atlantic Records.
RUSH: CLOCKWORK ANGELS TOUR
Release date: November 19th
DVD (Anthem/Zoe Vision/Rounder)
CD (Anthem/Roadrunner Records)
Set One:
Subdivisions
The Big Money
Force Ten
Grand Designs
The Body Electric
Territories
The Analog Kid
Bravado
Where’s My Thing?/ Here It Is! (drum solo)
Far Cry
Set Two:
Caravan*
Clockwork Angels*
The Anarchist*
Carnies*
The Wreckers*
Headlong Flight*/ Drumbastica (drum solo)
Peke’s Repose (guitar solo)/Halo Effect*
Seven Cities of Gold*
Wish Them Well*
The Garden*
Dreamline*
The Percussor (I) Binary Love Theme (II) Steambanger’s Ball (drum solo)
Red Sector A*
YYZ*
The Spirit of Radio
Encore:
Tom Sawyer
2112
Bonus:
Limelight (soundcheck recording)
Middletown Dreams
The Pass
Manhattan Project*
*With the Clockwork Angels String Ensemble
SPECIAL FEATURES (BLURAY/DVD ONLY)
Can’t Stop Thinking Big (25 min tour documentary)
Behind The Scenes (featuring Jay Baruchel)
Outtakes
Interview With Dwush
Family Goy
Family Sawyer
The Watchmaker (intermission tour film)
Office Of The Watchmaker (closing tour film)
Nov - Dream Theater, RUSH, and who knows what else...
I WAS AT THAT SHOW!!
I WAS AT THAT SHOW!!
ditto! I just hope I'm not edited out after making the trailer that was released a few months back.
I see (quite clearly) what you did there.
So now that Rush are actually cool, Geddy in a Rolling Stone Q&A (mini interview) (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/q-a-rushs-geddy-lee-on-finally-taking-a-break-from-the-road-20130923)
So now that Rush are actually cool, Geddy in a Rolling Stone Q&A (mini interview) (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/q-a-rushs-geddy-lee-on-finally-taking-a-break-from-the-road-20130923)
I *love* that he throws out the idea of celebrating 40 years and suggests "why not 42"?! FORTY TWO...hah :tup
Love Geddy so much, and I'd be happier if they took a break next year, started writing, and released a new album in 2015 or so, then tour into and through 2016 as a semi-42nd Anniversary tour, throw in some more classics, maybe a whole album, and do some new songs. Honestly, though, I'd like to see a 2017 tour as a 15th Anniversary of Vapor Trails so we can hear some of the 8 songs from the album that haven't been played live yet!
-Marc.
That's great. I hate when bands go back into the studio and clean up live albums. You lose the feeling of a real show.
We've done that in the past for certain songs where we've had train wrecks. We have so many live albums, first of all, that we've had just about every live album experience. The first one was totally raw and totally live and it really bugged us for years that we didn't fix anything. And then with the second one, we fixed way too many things and it sounds a bit sterile in retrospect. And then you learn what to mess with and what not to mess with. You want to present the best possible show for people, but you don't want to get so nit-picky about it that you lose what's interesting about a live performance.
Noctourne, an underrated gem from the start, sounds particularly awesome in the stream.
Just a heads up, the Rush Survivor is running again - currently in Round 11 of the Finals.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=39275.0
ok, seriously. They are all run in slightly different ways, but the main thing is that you vote for your least favorite track per round until only one survivor remains from an album (the song with the most votes each round gets kicked off). The top songs usually go on to a finals survivor until the ultimate surviving song is selected for the artist.
ok, seriously. They are all run in slightly different ways, but the main thing is that you vote for your least favorite track per round until only one survivor remains from an album (the song with the most votes each round gets kicked off). The top songs usually go on to a finals survivor until the ultimate surviving song is selected for the artist.
So on the Rush one, I'd just post my least favorite Rush track? OK ok cool
Looks great. :metal
In the meantime, I am thoroughly disappointed with this new remix of Vapor Trails. In fact, I think it sucks.
This is now a double album for me. Rush's vision and Bottrill's vision. (Which we have lovingly dubbed Frankentrails)
No difference.other than a few different credits.thank you ! So it will be the HD version :tup
From the forthcoming DVD/Blu-ray, The Garden!
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/rush-debut-dvd-from-string-heavy-clockwork-angels-tour-premiere-20131017
From the forthcoming DVD/Blu-ray, The Garden!
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/rush-debut-dvd-from-string-heavy-clockwork-angels-tour-premiere-20131017
:hefdaddy
I was wondering today what album precisely marks Rush's transition from Progressive Rock to (Hard) Rock. What are your opinions?
I was wondering today what album precisely marks Rush's transition from Progressive Rock to (Hard) Rock. What are your opinions?
I was wondering today what album precisely marks Rush's transition from Progressive Rock to (Hard) Rock. What are your opinions?
Rush has ALWAYS been, more than anything else, hard rock. They were just a hard rock band that had a prog phase for 5+ years.
Conservative?
I was wondering today what album precisely marks Rush's transition from Progressive Rock to (Hard) Rock. What are your opinions?
Rush has ALWAYS been, more than anything else, hard rock. They were just a hard rock band that had a prog phase for 5+ years.
From the forthcoming DVD/Blu-ray, The Garden!
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/rush-debut-dvd-from-string-heavy-clockwork-angels-tour-premiere-20131017
I'll wait the four or five days before release for my copies.
I'll wait the four or five days before release for my copies.
I'll most likely be making the trip for that as well. Would be doubly sweet if work so happens to put me down in that area that Friday, but trips that far south are rare.
This is now a double album for me. Rush's vision and Bottrill's vision. (Which we have lovingly dubbed Frankentrails)
Wait... Rush's vision should be the remixed one, right? I've read plenty of articles and interviews where members of the band say that this is now how they wanted the album to sound originally, but the post-recording process was so botched up that it didn't turn out how THEY wanted it to sound to begin with.
I have to say, though, I love the new mix and it definitely breaths NEW life into the album. I really hope on their next tour that they play more VT tunes, especially if they tour without a new album.
-Marc.
From the forthcoming DVD/Blu-ray, The Garden!
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/rush-debut-dvd-from-string-heavy-clockwork-angels-tour-premiere-20131017
:hefdaddy
Exactly
Still awesome as a whole in my books though.
From the forthcoming DVD/Blu-ray, The Garden!
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/rush-debut-dvd-from-string-heavy-clockwork-angels-tour-premiere-20131017
:hefdaddy
Exactly
Most of that is awesome, but man Geddy is painful to listen to these days. I love the guy, I love the band, but Geddy's voice and melody choices are the reason I can't stand much of the post 90s Rush.
Even the remix of VT still has too much warbling all over it. VT is my most hate d Rush album, beating even TFE (and that takes some doing). The remix is several times better than my broken original version but still not a great album. There are some songs that work (Earthshine, Ghost Rider, CE) but I'm not persuaded to buy it.
Agreed. Geddy's voice (especially live) is the weak link of the band, almost painfully so with a ballad like The Garden.When I saw them live, I thought Geddy was going to be much, much worse, based mainly on recent live clips I'd seen, but I was pleasantly surprised. He did a fine job on most of the songs and only struggled on Red Sector A, 2112 and Spirit of Radio.
Still awesome as a whole in my books though.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rushs-clockwork-angels-tour-to-receive-theatrical-premiere/
:omg:
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Already ordered the limited special edition and I may pickup the regular one so I can watch it the weekend before, but I may spend another $12.50 to see it on the "big" screen.
I think he talks about this one https://www.rushbackstage.com/rushbackstage/dvd-and-video/rush-clockwork-angels-tour-limited-edition-deluxe-package.htmlAlready ordered the limited special edition and I may pickup the regular one so I can watch it the weekend before, but I may spend another $12.50 to see it on the "big" screen.
Where is this "Limited Special Edition" you speak of? Does it include the DVDs AND the CDs in one package? I'd like to grab something like that, as was the R30 show, rather than buying separate CD and DVD sets like the last two tour releases (for S&A and Time Machine tours).
-Marc.
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I'm so tempted to burn a Christmas present for this, but it's ridiculously overpriced. If that package included all the audio on vinyl it would be a lot better.
But it's Rush, so I'll probably cave.
I think he talks about this one https://www.rushbackstage.com/rushbackstage/dvd-and-video/rush-clockwork-angels-tour-limited-edition-deluxe-package.htmlAlready ordered the limited special edition and I may pickup the regular one so I can watch it the weekend before, but I may spend another $12.50 to see it on the "big" screen.
Where is this "Limited Special Edition" you speak of? Does it include the DVDs AND the CDs in one package? I'd like to grab something like that, as was the R30 show, rather than buying separate CD and DVD sets like the last two tour releases (for S&A and Time Machine tours).
-Marc.
I am tempted, but it will cost a small fortune getting it shipped to denmark 60$ for express + import duties and taxes
I think he talks about this one https://www.rushbackstage.com/rushbackstage/dvd-and-video/rush-clockwork-angels-tour-limited-edition-deluxe-package.html
I am tempted, but it will cost a small fortune getting it shipped to denmark 60$ for express + import duties and taxes
I think he talks about this one https://www.rushbackstage.com/rushbackstage/dvd-and-video/rush-clockwork-angels-tour-limited-edition-deluxe-package.htmlAlready ordered the limited special edition and I may pickup the regular one so I can watch it the weekend before, but I may spend another $12.50 to see it on the "big" screen.
Where is this "Limited Special Edition" you speak of? Does it include the DVDs AND the CDs in one package? I'd like to grab something like that, as was the R30 show, rather than buying separate CD and DVD sets like the last two tour releases (for S&A and Time Machine tours).
-Marc.
I am tempted, but it will cost a small fortune getting it shipped to denmark 60$ for express + import duties and taxes
That's the one. What sold me was the exclusive tourbook and litho.
If not for that, I'd have just walked into the store this Thursday and picked up the CD and DVD. (Didn't expect to score a promo poster, but that was a nice surprise.)
Who am I kidding? I may just do that anyway and dig in that night. If I like what I see, I'll spring for the big screen on Monday.
I just saw the tracklist of the live album:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clockwork_Angels_Tour_%28album%29
Three drum solos?
Well, he normally does one drum solo which is close to 10 minutes, but this time, he did three shorter solos, all of which fly by pretty quickly. Unnecessary? Probably, but he is known for his drum solos, and mixing it up like that at least added a new twist.
I kind of want to attribute some of it to Roadrunner. I shouldn't blame them, but still. Does a record company get that kind of control?
True. I gave the Blu-Ray a quick run-through last night (I'll watch it uninterrupted from start to finish when I have more time), and one thing I noticed is how subdued the crowd was. The mix wasn't that great either, as it sounds a bit loud like Clockwork Angels, and it is hard to hear some of the intricacies of certain songs, especially the 80s ones with all of those cool keyboard sounds and whatnot going on, but I guess this is just one of those things we have to accept with them now. I just don't understand how a band that has been around this long is this clueless at this stage at how to make their stuff sound as good as possible.I had it cranked and I thought it sounded great on my system. I'm not hearing any distortion or clipping like Vapor Trails. For me the biggest drawback is Geddy's vocals. Not as great as they used to be. But all that said it is a great live disc.
My problem isn't that this sounds bad, it's that it doesn't sound great. There is simply no excuse for a band with the resources of Rush to put out an album, live or otherwise that doesn't sound fantastic or better. I'm not disappointed with the release, but it sucks knowing that simple changes could have been made that would result in a superior product.
-Rotating some of the songs that hadn't been played in decades was a terrible idea. For one, rotating Manhattan Project with a song that has played a ton over the last 20 years (Dreamline) was a bad idea. Given the look of the set list, rotating Dreamline with Red Sector A (another song that gets played a lot) would have made far more sense, and Manhattan Project should have been played every night. I have seen the band on every tour since 1991 and still haven't seen that song. Same goes for The Body Electric and Middletown Dreams, which inexplicably got rotated as well. It would have made far more sense to rotate Big Money and Force Ten (two songs that have gotten more than enough love in the set list over the years), and then play both TBE and Middletown Dreams every night. Fortunately, we got Middletown Dreams, the far better song, at our show, so I was happy there, but I would have taken The Body Electric over seeing another performance of either Force Ten or Big Money (two songs I love, but have seen many times already).I agree, but it was even worse on the 2nd leg of this tour. I saw the last two shows of the tour. The spot that was trading The Body Electric and Middletown Dreams got Limelight BOTH of those nights. That was disappointing. It was great to see Manhattan Project one of those nights. Hadn't seen it since the Presto tour. But even though I had a great time at these shows, I was really wishing I had at least seen Middletown Dreams one of those nights. While I've never seen The Body Electric live, I'm not as bummed about that. But at least the Blu Ray has both of those on there.
I completely agree with your last paragraph Kev.
-Rotating some of the songs that hadn't been played in decades was a terrible idea. For one, rotating Manhattan Project with a song that has played a ton over the last 20 years (Dreamline) was a bad idea. Given the look of the set list, rotating Dreamline with Red Sector A (another song that gets played a lot) would have made far more sense, and Manhattan Project should have been played every night. I have seen the band on every tour since 1991 and still haven't seen that song. Same goes for The Body Electric and Middletown Dreams, which inexplicably got rotated as well. It would have made far more sense to rotate Big Money and Force Ten (two songs that have gotten more than enough love in the set list over the years), and then play both TBE and Middletown Dreams every night. Fortunately, we got Middletown Dreams, the far better song, at our show, so I was happy there, but I would have taken The Body Electric over seeing another performance of either Force Ten or Big Money (two songs I love, but have seen many times already).I agree, but it was even worse on the 2nd leg of this tour. I saw the last two shows of the tour. The spot that was trading The Body Electric and Middletown Dreams got Limelight BOTH of those nights. That was disappointing. It was great to see Manhattan Project one of those nights. Hadn't seen it since the Presto tour. But even though I had a great time at these shows, I was really wishing I had at least seen Middletown Dreams one of those nights. While I've never seen The Body Electric live, I'm not as bummed about that. But at least the Blu Ray has both of those on there.
It made much more sense to play the 80's songs that they haven't played since the 80's. I loved the sets.
That first set really explodes when they play "Far Cry" - the only post-RTB song in there. It's a great set, with lots of unexpected gems, but it's crying out for something else with balls, like "One Little Victory" or "Animate".
That first set really explodes when they play "Far Cry" - the only post-RTB song in there. It's a great set, with lots of unexpected gems, but it's crying out for something else with balls, like "One Little Victory" or "Animate".
I still don't think Far Cry is anything more than a pretty good song, so ending the first set with that was a bit anti-climatic for me, but I know many disagree.
One Little Victory is rocking, but should never return to the live sets.
As awesome as Animate is, it seemed to lack the power and energy of the original when they played it on the R30 tour, so if they are gonna bring back something from Counterparts, I'd rather see Cold Fire or Double Agent, or maybe finally play Cut to the Chase.
You nailed it John. I was absolutely shocked up there in Manchester. Song after song I just couldn't believe that first set, not to mention how thrilled I also was with the amount of CA material and strings in the second set. And then to see as they rotated in even more great material on future nights... I just don't know how anyone can look at this and not at least say it's the best Rush tour (from a setlist perspective) in at least a decade.
-Rotating some of the songs that hadn't been played in decades was a terrible idea. For one, rotating Manhattan Project with a song that has played a ton over the last 20 years (Dreamline) was a bad idea. Given the look of the set list, rotating Dreamline with Red Sector A (another song that gets played a lot) would have made far more sense, and Manhattan Project should have been played every night. I have seen the band on every tour since 1991 and still haven't seen that song. Same goes for The Body Electric and Middletown Dreams, which inexplicably got rotated as well. It would have made far more sense to rotate Big Money and Force Ten (two songs that have gotten more than enough love in the set list over the years), and then play both TBE and Middletown Dreams every night. Fortunately, we got Middletown Dreams, the far better song, at our show, so I was happy there, but I would have taken The Body Electric over seeing another performance of either Force Ten or Big Money (two songs I love, but have seen many times already).I agree, but it was even worse on the 2nd leg of this tour. I saw the last two shows of the tour. The spot that was trading The Body Electric and Middletown Dreams got Limelight BOTH of those nights. That was disappointing. It was great to see Manhattan Project one of those nights. Hadn't seen it since the Presto tour. But even though I had a great time at these shows, I was really wishing I had at least seen Middletown Dreams one of those nights. While I've never seen The Body Electric live, I'm not as bummed about that. But at least the Blu Ray has both of those on there.
FUCK.
Guy 3 ahead of me in line got the last Garden picture disc this morning. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK.
Off to ebay and stupid high prices I go.
I'd like to thank MTV for never really playing that video, because I was knee deep in watching MTV in 1987, and had I seen that video then, it is possible I never would have taken Rush seriously. :rollin
Mystic Rhythms is a great video.
I just found this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Trw5Dd8l2Gc) :lol
Mystic Rhythms is a great video.
The majority of Rush's videos from the 70's & 80's are pretty cheesy. This one may be the leader though.
Anyway, the point of this is that I've been listening to Roll The Bones quite a bit lately, and I've decided that it's my favorite Rush album.I really like that album and it's one of my faves as well :tup
Ha ha. Let's see... a song by a Canadian band lamenting life as a working man used as an anthem for a U.S.-based company celebrating the working man and American-made products. They even kept the line "it seems to me I could live my life a lot better than I think I am".
Nice 60-second edit, though.
I just love multi-level irony...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LYI--n-tjE
Ha ha. Let's see... a song by a Canadian band lamenting life as a working man used as an anthem for a U.S.-based company celebrating the working man and American-made products. They even kept the line "it seems to me I could live my life a lot better than I think I am".
Nice 60-second edit, though.
That's two of them......
Ha ha. Let's see... a song by a Canadian band lamenting life as a working man used as an anthem for a U.S.-based company celebrating the working man and American-made products. They even kept the line "it seems to me I could live my life a lot better than I think I am".
Nice 60-second edit, though.
That's two of them......
What am I missing?
Perhaps by fate or mere coincidence, Rush is my favorite band and their debut album happens to be my birthday, albeit 10 years after Rush was released. Today, Rush turns 40 (officially with their debut's release) and I turn 30.
To celebrate, I have the debut spinning on my computer at work as, yes, I am working today. At least I had off yesterday and I have off tomorrow!
-Marc.
I *is* significantly better...though I still think it sounds pretty overdriven and "hot". It is still a major improvement. At least it is, in fact, listenable now.
I don't like Rush. Too much musical wankery, not enough soul. I don't care if they can play a million notes a minute if they can't write a decent song. And using a 20 minute song with a million time signature changes can't replace emotion.
One thing that *really* irked me about when Rush was on Colbert is how much he played on the "long songs" things when making jokes. Rush has what, 2 songs over like 12 minutes long? And a handful more in the 8-12 minutes range. And the last time they did a side long epic? Over 35 years ago. Rush is the shining example of prog being able to contain itself into manageable pieces. While still being amazing, at least.
One thing that *really* irked me about when Rush was on Colbert is how much he played on the "long songs" things when making jokes. Rush has what, 2 songs over like 12 minutes long? And a handful more in the 8-12 minutes range. And the last time they did a side long epic? Over 35 years ago. Rush is the shining example of prog being able to contain itself into manageable pieces. While still being amazing, at least.
I don't like Rush. Too much musical wankery, not enough soul. I don't care if they can play a million notes a minute if they can't write a decent song. And using a 20 minute song with a million time signature changes can't replace emotion.I know this is just a troll post, but it's so funny to read something like this at DTF.
One thing that *really* irked me about when Rush was on Colbert is how much he played on the "long songs" things when making jokes. Rush has what, 2 songs over like 12 minutes long? And a handful more in the 8-12 minutes range. And the last time they did a side long epic? Over 35 years ago. Rush is the shining example of prog being able to contain itself into manageable pieces. While still being amazing, at least.
Eh, that joke was probably written by one of his writers, and it was a funny joke after all..."Have you ever written a song so long that by the time it was finished, you had influenced yourselves?" :lol :lol
In other words, relax, people. It was just a joke, and jokes can sometimes be based off of a distortion of the truth.
Eh, that joke was probably written by one of his writers, and it was a funny joke after all..."Have you ever written a song so long that by the time it was finished, you had influenced yourselves?" :lol :lol
In other words, relax, people. It was just a joke, and jokes can sometimes be based off of a distortion of the truth.
Yes, it was funny, but it gave a false impression of the band. And Colbert could have easily been just as funny with other jokes.
I thought it was pretty funny myself.
I'm sure a few people know about this already, but...
https://www.rushbackstage.com/rushbackstage/media-260/compact-discs/rush-rediscovered-lp-box-set.html
On a scale of 1 to 10, I give it a 7. The band history information and clippings from that period of most interest to me. I was hoping for more, but I guess they didn't want to make it TOO expensive.
What would be REALLY cool as if they reissued the first single on Record Store Day this year.
More on the Colbert thing, remember that, to many people, any song over 5 minutes is considered a long song (swear to God!), so Rush being known for writing long songs IS true. Just because a bunch of prog bands have many more long songs than Rush doesn't mean that it's not true about Rush. But, once again, it was a joke!! :coolio
I thought it was pretty funny myself.
I'm sure a few people know about this already, but...
https://www.rushbackstage.com/rushbackstage/media-260/compact-discs/rush-rediscovered-lp-box-set.html
On a scale of 1 to 10, I give it a 7. The band history information and clippings from that period of most interest to me. I was hoping for more, but I guess they didn't want to make it TOO expensive.
What would be REALLY cool as if they reissued the first single on Record Store Day this year.
So I went to see if Amazon had it;
This box set is #1 in music on Canadian Amazon right now.
Like, the top selling music thing, for the entire site right now.
That's pretty cool.
Band's potentially planning on a 41st anniversary tour starting next year.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/rush-plotting-41st-anniversary-tour-for-2015-20140320
Band's potentially planning on a 41st anniversary tour starting next year.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/rush-plotting-41st-anniversary-tour-for-2015-20140320
Only Rush would celebrate a 41st Anniversary with a tour. :rollin
I'm game! I saw them on the CA Tour last year and it was AMAZING. And Alex's wanting to do RARER material makes me happy. Hopefully they FINALLY bring out "Jacob's Ladder". You know what would absolutely be a shock, though? ANYTHING from Caress Of Steel, especially "The Necromancer" (in whole!). Although if they did parts (or all) of "The Fountain Of Lamneth", I think the Rush fandom could die happy.
Either way, whatever they decide to play, be it rarer tunes from the 70's, 80's or 90's, it'll be amazing. Heck, break out half the songs from Vapor Trails they haven't played yet! Now that it's been remastered and remixed and re-released, the album deserves some live love! Play "Vapor Trail" or "Freeze" (with the rest of the 'Fear' songs as well!) or "Nocturne"!
-Marc.
I just want them to play Emotion Detector, the one song from my favorite album of theirs (Power Windows) that they haven't played. In fact, during the past like 2 tours, they've played EVERY single song off that album EXCEPT Emotion Detector, which wasn't played on Power Windows' promotional tour either.
I honestly believe he would love to do more rare material, because he is always saying he wants to dig into the vaults. (wasn't he just quoted before one of the recent tours that he had been wanting to pull out Jacob's Ladder???) And I'm not even saying it won't happen...I'm just not getting my hopes up.
Double Agent would be wonderful to hear. :metal
I just want them to play Emotion Detector, the one song from my favorite album of theirs (Power Windows) that they haven't played. In fact, during the past like 2 tours, they've played EVERY single song off that album EXCEPT Emotion Detector, which wasn't played on Power Windows' promotional tour either.
My memory could be faulty, but I seem to recall an interview not long after that tour where they were reflecting on Power Windows, and they were recognizing it as a very strong album, but the consensus was that ED was the one track that they felt didn't turn out as strong as the rest of the pack.
I like it to, and when the album was new, it was absolutely one of my favorites. (I think that's why I remember the interview so well...because it was so disappointing to read at the time.) But to be honest, the song hasn't aged very well. Today it is probably my least favorite from the album.
I'm thinking that it will just be a recycling of things they haven't played in awhile. It's hard to believe, but I don't think they've played The Trees in over a decade.
I'm thinking that it will just be a recycling of things they haven't played in awhile. It's hard to believe, but I don't think they've played The Trees in over a decade.
They played "The Trees" throughout the second US leg of the "Snakes and Arrows" tour in 2008. I saw it live in Oklahoma City. ;)
I guess we have a year of speculation to look forward to, of fans saying, "Maybe they will play this song," about a song Geddy Lee has no chance of singing well live anymore, only for the set list to surface and not see any of those songs anywhere near it. :lol :lol
I seem to remember some website that actually keeps track of how long it's been since they've played every song in their catalog? Where's that when you need it?
Well I'll through flames on the fire. What I'd like to see.
Vapor Trail
Totem
The Big Wheel
Kid Gloves
I seem to remember some website that actually keeps track of how long it's been since they've played every song in their catalog? Where's that when you need it?
https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/setlists.php
I seem to remember some website that actually keeps track of how long it's been since they've played every song in their catalog? Where's that when you need it?
https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/setlists.php
Agreed! And it will be the first time in the history of rock and roll that a "trilogy of four songs" is played. How Canadian of thm to pull that off, eh?
Well yes, but just before...I think it was the Time Machine Tour?....someone had a list of every single song *with exactly the last time it was played* right next to it.
While everyone is suggesting Freeze, I would go ahead and just say outright that I would like to hear the whole "Fear Suite" done in its entirety...which hasn't been done in 30 years...and never with Freeze.
While everyone is suggesting Freeze, I would go ahead and just say outright that I would like to hear the whole "Fear Suite" done in its entirety...which hasn't been done in 30 years...and never with Freeze.
While everyone is suggesting Freeze, I would go ahead and just say outright that I would like to hear the whole "Fear Suite" done in its entirety...which hasn't been done in 30 years...and never with Freeze.
Well now with the suggestion of hearing the whole "Fear Suite" makes me want to go back and listen to all the songs from there. I'm only really familiar with Witch Hunt and Freeze.
I have long suspected that Freeze is one of those songs that Alex referred to in Contents Under Pressure when he said that quite a few of the VT songs are not playable live, likely cause they were so recorded with so many layers and overdubs, that playing them live would strip them down too much, and the songs would suffer if that happen.
In the case of Freeze, some of that guitar-playing in the verses (like that comes in around 5 seconds into the song), which almost sounds like quirky little guitar scrapings (for lack of a better term), probably wouldn't translate well live, and the song would sound messy and noisy as a result. The power chords would obviously be no problem, but I just fear that other guitar stuff wouldn't translate well live.
I'll be pretty happy as long as Secret Touch doesn't come back before any of those other mentioned. What a stinker live.
This prize is up for auction to the highest bidder....all proceeds go to charity.
Obviously, there is *no way* that I could afford even half the amount that I'm sure this will end up going for....but it makes me cry just thinking about it.
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2014/04/06/3987/Grapes-Under-Pressure-Wine-Event-with-Geddy-Lee-and-Alex-Lifeson-charity-auction
This prize is up for auction to the highest bidder....all proceeds go to charity.
Obviously, there is *no way* that I could afford even half the amount that I'm sure this will end up going for....but it makes me cry just thinking about it.
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2014/04/06/3987/Grapes-Under-Pressure-Wine-Event-with-Geddy-Lee-and-Alex-Lifeson-charity-auction
Damn dudes at that current bid. Do I really believe that it is the actual value that people are willingly going to give? It's insanely way more than that estimated value.
This prize is up for auction to the highest bidder....all proceeds go to charity.
Obviously, there is *no way* that I could afford even half the amount that I'm sure this will end up going for....but it makes me cry just thinking about it.
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2014/04/06/3987/Grapes-Under-Pressure-Wine-Event-with-Geddy-Lee-and-Alex-Lifeson-charity-auction
Damn dudes at that current bid. Do I really believe that it is the actual value that people are willingly going to give? It's insanely way more than that estimated value.
If I had $20,000 to give to charity to travel with Geddy and Alex on a private plane and get to hang out with them for two days just geeking out on wine? I would consider it a bargin.
Here's a question I've probably heard the answer to before and just forgot....
Somewhere out there, there is a complete pro-shot Moving Pictures show on video. (ie...lost footage from the ESL home video) Does anyone have any idea what ever became of it? Who was the company that produced it?
RTB and Counterparts were excellent albums -TFE was not. Hands down the worst Rush album ever.
And I don't like VT & S&A but CA was a huge return to form.
RTB and Counterparts were excellent albums -TFE was not. Hands down the worst Rush album ever.I think RTB is hands down the worst Rush album. I like Dreamline, Bravado, Ghost of Chance, and The Big Wheel. Where's My Thing? is ok. The rest of that disc is hard to listen to for me. Counterparts is my favorite of the three. T4E overall was great. Not a huge fan of Dog Years, Virtuality, or Carve Away the Stone but the rest are really good.
And I don't like VT & S&A but CA was a huge return to form.
BTW, I bought Caress of Steel recently - does my eyesight simply suck or is the text in the booklet incredibly small?
Here's another group-vs-group debate for you all:
Roll The Bones - Counterparts - Test For Echo
VS
Vapor Trails - Snakes & Arrows - Clockwork Angels
As much as I love the strengths of RTB and TFE, as well as the entirety of CP, I'd have to go with the newer albums on this one. Vapor Trails was my first new album when I began my love with Rush, so it got a LOT of spins from me, so much so that my original CD ended up being pretty scuffed and scratched over the last decade!
-Marc.
Hard to believe Feedback will be 10 at the end of the month. Good album. Wish it were longer.
Hard to believe Feedback will be 10 at the end of the month. Good album. Wish it were longer.
I've tried to get into Feedback but it does absolutely nothing for me. Maybe its because I dont like the originals at all to begin with. Only Rush album I wont bother listening to anymore.
I listen to Feedback once or twice a year. Unfortunately, they never played my faves from that album on the tour except for Heart Full Of Soul.
I REALLY wanted to hear them do For What It's Worth.
And Nocturne. And Freeze!
*catches breath*
Well, it looks like I am finally going to have to buy a Blu-Ray player...and an HD TV...and a kick-ass surround sound system. Ugh, my wallet is crying.
I'm just stopping by to say that after listening to Grace Under Pressure for about month on regular basis it may be my favorite by Rush.
I'm just stopping by to say that after listening to Grace Under Pressure for about month on regular basis it may be my favorite by Rush.
That's my favorite of theirs too! :tup
I sure hope they release that bonus disc separately. I don't want to buy all of those other ones again just for that. Granted I don't have them all on BluRay but still not worth paying for it all again when I only want the bonus material.
To the delight of fans, the bonus disc will include all 8 songs from the Laura Secord Secondary School show in 1974 which features original drummer John Rutsey. That recording includes 2 Rush originals “I’ve Been Runnin;” and “The Loser”, as well as their cover of Larry William’s “Bad Boy”, made famous by The Beatles.
Laura Secord Secondary School 1974
1) Need Some Love
2) Before and After
3) Best I Can
4) I’ve Been Runnin’
5) Bad Boy
6) The Loser
7) Working Man
8) In the Mood (partial)
I bought it....
Blu-ray players aren't free, but they're getting really dirt cheap these days. I'm sure you could find a basic one for like $50, and "basic" in the case of a Blu-ray player includes hi-def audio and video outputs and a bunch of stuff that DVD players never even had. The player will cost you less than the discs.
https://www.rush.com/r40-40th-anniversary-collectors-box-set-available-in-dvd-blu-ray/QuoteTo the delight of fans, the bonus disc will include all 8 songs from the Laura Secord Secondary School show in 1974 which features original drummer John Rutsey. That recording includes 2 Rush originals “I’ve Been Runnin;” and “The Loser”, as well as their cover of Larry William’s “Bad Boy”, made famous by The Beatles.
Laura Secord Secondary School 1974
1) Need Some Love
2) Before and After
3) Best I Can
4) I’ve Been Runnin’
5) Bad Boy
6) The Loser
7) Working Man
8) In the Mood (partial)
Wow! This is the first time it's been confirmed that "Before And After" was ever played live! IIRC, this leaves "Take A Friend" as the only track off the debut never performed live (as far as we know).
EDIT - Now there's a video ad for the set:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9wZ6iHFH3k
- Marc.
Amazing coincidence! An actual red Barchetta found in a barn after "50 odd years"! :omg:
https://www.sfgate.com/cars/article/MILLION-DOLLAR-BARN-FIND-25-Ferrari-166MM-2575707.php
Rocks.
It would be interesting to see an instrumental medley of early rare/unreleased Rush material on the upcoming tour.
I suppose not, but is it hurting anything?No of course not. :lol
To be fair, he did say "rare" to. Garden Road is a really cool song, would be fun to hear it as part of a medley.Rocks.
It would be interesting to see an instrumental medley of early rare/unreleased Rush material on the upcoming tour.
There really isn't enough unreleased Rush material (read: basically none) to do any such thing. They typically work a song into shape and release it, or cut it and forget about it forever.
Anyway, https://rushpetition.com/ is open and you can vote for unplayed songs you'd like to hear next year. I picked Emotion Detector, Available Light, Everyday Glory, Totem and Bravest Face.
FYI guys, the Best Buy version comes with an exclusive bonus DVD (I bought the Blu-ray set) that has three more songs from the Test For Echo concert, interview and some more stuff. Does anyone know if other retailers have their own exclusives?
Best Buy does.
:lol:lol
I can't be bothered reading everybody's posts! :lol
I'm at work dammit! :lol
Everyday GloryGreat choices.
Freeze
HeresyOne of my least favorite Rush tunes.
That's funny that The Fountain of Lamneth is included, when it was played on the Caress of Steel tour a few times. I know the Rush set list website says it wasn't, but the Contents Under Pressure book says it was, and considering that was done with major input by the band, I am more willing to trust them than random fans who put that site together and claim they don't remember it being played.Well, it's not like they'd play it even if it was voted #1! :lol
That's funny that The Fountain of Lamneth is included, when it was played on the Caress of Steel tour a few times. I know the Rush set list website says it wasn't, but the Contents Under Pressure book says it was, and considering that was done with major input by the band, I am more willing to trust them than random fans who put that site together and claim they don't remember it being played.
R40 is a really nice package. The Anthem Vault songs, interviews came in a seperate dvd with a paper slipcase.
R40 is a really nice package. The Anthem Vault songs, interviews came in a seperate dvd with a paper slipcase.
Hi, Ben_Jamin
Can you tell us about the Rush in Rio improvements on BR version? Is it much better than the DVD version, in the audio and video sense?
Thanks!
Got it for my b-day yesterday. Looking forward to reliving the Amphitheatre show. Best Buy Canada doesn't even carry the normal R40 package, let alone the BB exclusive. :| :\ :angry: >:( :censored
As an owner of the box sets, I'm now more than a little annoyed. I know it's more negligence or bad negotiating on the bands part than being directly their fault, but they've let the label create a huge cash grab atmosphere to suck money from the big fans, no doubt. This is just another example.
Edit: I'm speaking of including the 5.1 stuff well after releasing it and making it seem like it would only be in the box sets.
Might pick up a few of the vinyl releases, even though I already have originals of all of them.
As an owner of the box sets, I'm now more than a little annoyed. I know it's more negligence or bad negotiating on the bands part than being directly their fault, but they've let the label create a huge cash grab atmosphere to suck money from the big fans, no doubt. This is just another example.
Edit: I'm speaking of including the 5.1 stuff well after releasing it and making it seem like it would only be in the box sets.
Might pick up a few of the vinyl releases, even though I already have originals of all of them.
Might be just a mild thing...but remember this is a BluRay release...the originals were DVD-A. Not only that, but I never really cared for the idea that I had to buy an entire box set just to get that DVD-A....which is why I never got it. I'm kinda happy that now I'll be able to pick it up as a standalone piece if I wish.
I realize that it's semantics since they are most likely the identical mixes. I just wish they'd pull the trigger on remixing *all* the albums for 5.1 instead of this picking and choosing crap.
14 of the Canadian giants’ albums to launch on hi-def audio throughout 2015
Universal Music are to release 14 Rush albums from their Mercury days on high quality audio throughout 2015.
Last month the band released their long-awaited R40 box set – a six-disc collection of live recordings plus previously unseen footage from their early days. Now a run of reissues will launch next year, starting in January with 1975’s Fly By Night and ending in December with 1989’s A Show Of Hands.
All the records will be reissued on vinyl and bundled with a code for the digital audio version and high resolution digital audio release, while Fly By Night, A Farewell To Kings and Signals will also be issued on Blu-ray audio.
Earlier this year, Universal reissued the band’s self-titled 1974 debut.
Mainman Geddy Lee recently said he and guitarist Alex Lifeson were “chomping at the bit” to start writing the follow-up to 2012’s Clockwork Angels. They’ll decide early next year whether they’ll tour in 2015.
RUSH 2015 REISSUES
January: Fly By Night
February: Caress Of Steel
March: 2112, All The World’s A Stage
April: A Farewell To Kings
May: Hemispheres
June: Permanent Waves
July: Moving Pictures, Exit… Stage Left
August: Signals
September: Grace Under Pressure
October: Power Windows
November: Hold Your Fire
December: A Show Of Hands
RUSH PLAN YEAR OF REISSUES (https://prog.teamrock.com/news/2014-12-12/rush-plan-year-of-reissues)Quote14 of the Canadian giants’ albums to launch on hi-def audio throughout 2015
Universal Music are to release 14 Rush albums from their Mercury days on high quality audio throughout 2015.
Last month the band released their long-awaited R40 box set – a six-disc collection of live recordings plus previously unseen footage from their early days. Now a run of reissues will launch next year, starting in January with 1975’s Fly By Night and ending in December with 1989’s A Show Of Hands.
All the records will be reissued on vinyl and bundled with a code for the digital audio version and high resolution digital audio release, while Fly By Night, A Farewell To Kings and Signals will also be issued on Blu-ray audio.
Earlier this year, Universal reissued the band’s self-titled 1974 debut.
Mainman Geddy Lee recently said he and guitarist Alex Lifeson were “chomping at the bit” to start writing the follow-up to 2012’s Clockwork Angels. They’ll decide early next year whether they’ll tour in 2015.
RUSH 2015 REISSUES
January: Fly By Night
February: Caress Of Steel
March: 2112, All The World’s A Stage
April: A Farewell To Kings
May: Hemispheres
June: Permanent Waves
July: Moving Pictures, Exit… Stage Left
August: Signals
September: Grace Under Pressure
October: Power Windows
November: Hold Your Fire
December: A Show Of Hands
Well then... I guess now's a good time to start my Rush Vinyl collection. Gotta go back and get the debut album first.
-Marc.
Today is the 21st of December, and of course, that means it's 21-12!
HAPPY RUSH DAY EVERYONE!!!
-Marc.
Today is the 21st of December, and of course, that means it's 21-12!
HAPPY RUSH DAY EVERYONE!!!
-Marc.
:metal
A Rush tour is always a good rumorEspecially when it's Boston!!
The mention of possibly a couple new singles or EP is good to hear!
I wouldn't be surprised to see R75 in 2049
I wouldn't be surprised to see R75 in 2049
Rush will re-re-re-re-re-re-re-release their entire catalog once again on MicroSD 4TB Chips, featured in full 9.1 Mental Surround, pre-programmed and ready for installation into your Neural Network.
-Marc.
I've always given them credit for one thing, they drive hard for new fans with their pricing. On Amazon right now I could get Hold Your Fire brand new, shipped to my door in two days for $4.02. I could get other albums for $5, and most of the rest for $6. But man, have they fleeced hardcore fans hard over the past decade.
Let's hope European and UK dates are announced soon...This. If they don't come to Finland, then I'm ready to travel to see them, because the press release says this "will most likely be their last major tour of this magnitude".
Seen em twice already. If I had the dough to spend I would, but I'll sit this one out.
Let's hope European and UK dates are announced soon...This. If they don't come to Finland, then I'm ready to travel to see them, because the press release says this "will most likely be their last major tour of this magnitude".
Just for the record. This tour will probably be the last. They may occasionally do some one off shows here and there; but even as late as November NP wanted to hang it up. He has felt for some time now that he just is not young enough anymore to have the physical ability to play at the level he expects of himself on a huge tour. Keep in mind as much as he loves to make music he also feels like they have nothing left to prove. It was a monumental task to get him to commit to this tour. There are plans (and a desire) to make new music; but if you want to see these guys in concert...this will probably be your last shot. I wanted to post so badly for months now that NP just doesn't have it in him anymore. I've told a couple of people here, but it's not my place to be the band spokesperson. Lol. But I do think you need to know that this is a huge deal getting him to commit to these shows. Don't miss this tour.
Presale tickets for the Chicago show sold out within, like, a minute. :lol I don't think anyone in my family has a Citi card so we'll be skipping out on that presale too... here's hoping there are tickets left when tickets go onsale to the general public in a week.
EDIT: Looks like I spoke too soon! I was able to secure 3 tickets on the lower level. Rush, here I come.
Just for the record. This tour will probably be the last. They may occasionally do some one off shows here and there; but even as late as November NP wanted to hang it up. He has felt for some time now that he just is not young enough anymore to have the physical ability to play at the level he expects of himself on a huge tour. Keep in mind as much as he loves to make music he also feels like they have nothing left to prove. It was a monumental task to get him to commit to this tour. There are plans (and a desire) to make new music; but if you want to see these guys in concert...this will probably be your last shot. I wanted to post so badly for months now that NP just doesn't have it in him anymore. I've told a couple of people here, but it's not my place to be the band spokesperson. Lol. But I do think you need to know that this is a huge deal getting him to commit to these shows. Don't miss this tour.
In some ways, I knew this was coming....
They continue to get more popular, and so tickets continue to get more expensive. It sucks, but it is what it is.
The more I think about it, the more I will try and turn this into a good reason to travel and see some interesting places. My current hope is to fly out to Phoenix, and head immediately to the grand canyon. Use the shuttle to view sights to the east side of the lodging area that evening. Next day take a shuttle out west, and hike back on the rim that day. Total of the main trail I think was about 13 miles, which normally wouldn't be a problem, but July temps out there may make us cut that short and shuttle part of the way back. Then travel to Vegas next day, see some random show that night, stay the night, and see Rush on the 25th. Travel to Phoenix on the 26th and visit Arizona State University where my gf is currently getting her graduate degree online. Then Rush show on the 27th in Phoenix, and fly back on the 28th.
Would end up being about $1,250 per person excluding event tickets, but I think I can pull it off.
While it would indeed be cool to see the final show of the tour (been there, done that!), I really don't have much interest in LA, and the scheduling would be much more difficult with my work schedule. And with the LV/Phoenix plan I realize now I'd also be able to see the Hoover Dam as an added bonus. And frankly nothing in or around LA holds half the appeal to me as the Grand Canyon does.
That's another reason why I'm disappointed by these outrageous prices this time around. And don't anybody give me this "The band has no control over ticket prices" nonsense, because it is just that: nonsense. Granted, I get that with the crew they have and the big stage production, they need to charge a lot, and they aren't gonna tour to lose money or break even, but still, nearly $170? Absurd.The high priced Denver tickets were 120-130. Why is there a difference between cities? Are they asking for a flat fee per venue and then having to divide that amount by how many seats they can sell? Or is the promoter in St. Louis pocketing a large fee?
At todays rates, $150 is €133 or £99. Quite a bit, but well worth it IMO. Lets just hope they DO tour Europe - the only thing worse than high ticket prices is if they don't come over here at all... (shudder - doesn't bear thinking about...)
YES, THANK YOU! No countdown on the page should mean there's no countdown. This BS of hidden countdown time lost me some section 107 seats. By the time I could navigate my way back in to find more, it was nothing but nosebleeds left (and buying 4 tickets, I can't shell out for floor seats). Fuckers.i realize i took a lot of time because i had two tabs open checking for different seats to see the price difference, but still, if theres no way to know how much time is left how is it my fault that it expired? luckily when i went back in the seat i got was two rows closer than what i had at first, but if i had missed out i would have been pissed..
YES, THANK YOU! No countdown on the page should mean there's no countdown. This BS of hidden countdown time lost me some section 107 seats. By the time I could navigate my way back in to find more, it was nothing but nosebleeds left (and buying 4 tickets, I can't shell out for floor seats). Fuckers.i realize i took a lot of time because i had two tabs open checking for different seats to see the price difference, but still, if theres no way to know how much time is left how is it my fault that it expired? luckily when i went back in the seat i got was two rows closer than what i had at first, but if i had missed out i would have been pissed..
anyone do the Philly presale today? that was an ordeal :lol
took me three tries to secure a ticket cause i kept running out of time (despite nothing counting down >:( )
then when i went to pay, apparently my account is under my dads name, so i had to get his credit card info as they wouldn't accept mine.
but despite all the hassle, got a floor ticket and I'm stoked! now just hoping i stay in philly this summer so i can use it :lol
Kingsmengland
Section 121 in the Bell Centre in Montreal!! Woot!!
Feeling a bit bummed. I just can't afford tickets right now, and since it's their last big tour, I want to take my son for the first (and most likely only) time. I've taken my wife twice, but never taken my son to a Rush show. (he hasn't exactly gone without. His first concert ever was front row with me at the PT FOABP show...and I also took him to see the Portland headlinging show of the BCSL DT tour)
Maybe...just maybe...I'll be able to pick up some decent after market tickets when I get my tax refund. :mehlin
I hope you guys were listening to Fly By Night yesterday, it turned 40 years :metal
I hope you guys were listening to Fly By Night yesterday, it turned 40 years :metal
In 5.1 of course. :metal
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall backstage with Petrucci and Geddy! Can you imagine a conversation about music between those two guys? My head would explode.
I wish John would just cut that beard off already. He looked the best in the SDOIT era with the short hair IMHO.
Geddy's joke about the hat was pretty good. John's gonna be doing interviews 20 years from now and he'll be making jokes about his "mask".
I wish John would just cut that beard off already.I completely agree!
I wish John would just cut that beard off already.I completely agree!
For all ye Netflix subscribers, Beyond the Lighted Stage is up and running. Ko loo koo koo koo koo koo koo!
Smells musty in here. Can't wait for the concerts to start!
I refuse to see the setlist before the concert I go to on May 20th, though.
For all ye Netflix subscribers, Beyond the Lighted Stage is up and running. Ko loo koo koo koo koo koo koo!
That was a great documentary
Feeling a bit bummed. I just can't afford tickets right now, and since it's their last big tour, I want to take my son for the first (and most likely only) time. I've taken my wife twice, but never taken my son to a Rush show. (he hasn't exactly gone without. His first concert ever was front row with me at the PT FOABP show...and I also took him to see the Portland headlinging show of the BCSL DT tour)
Maybe...just maybe...I'll be able to pick up some decent after market tickets when I get my tax refund. :mehlin
Feeling a bit bummed. I just can't afford tickets right now, and since it's their last big tour, I want to take my son for the first (and most likely only) time. I've taken my wife twice, but never taken my son to a Rush show. (he hasn't exactly gone without. His first concert ever was front row with me at the PT FOABP show...and I also took him to see the Portland headlinging show of the BCSL DT tour)
Maybe...just maybe...I'll be able to pick up some decent after market tickets when I get my tax refund. :mehlin
I'm requoting this as an announcment that I *AM* now in the market for tix to the Seattle show. I don't want charity....well, maybe a little. I have some money and I'm hoping for halfway decent seats for maybe a little less than stubhub prices? Obviously hard tickets by owner would be preferred.
Here's the first setlist of the tour, at your own risk:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/rush/2015/bok-center-tulsa-ok-33c8187d.html
Definitely interesting!
Snakes & Arrows > Vapor Trails, all songs
I'd still put up Vapor Trails, Snakes and Arrows and Clockwork Angels up against any other three in the cannon.
Other than the live albums, I've noticed I listen to those (and Geddy's solo album) more than anything else over the last 15 years.
Then again, I got into the band in 1991, yet I tend to listen to the synth era stuff the most, and it's been that way for a long time. Not saying the synth era stuff dominates my Rush-listening time, but if there was an imaginary chart that could track what Rush songs and albums I've listened to the most over the years, Power Windows might very well be at the top of most plays.Same here, although I got into the band just 2 years ago.
I'd still put up Vapor Trails, Snakes and Arrows and Clockwork Angels up against any other three in the cannon.
Other than the live albums, I've noticed I listen to those (and Geddy's solo album) more than anything else over the last 15 years.
How long have you been a fan? That could be mere burnout over the older stuff.
Then again, I got into the band in 1991, yet I tend to listen to the synth era stuff the most, and it's been that way for a long time. Not saying the synth era stuff dominates my Rush-listening time, but if there was an imaginary chart that could track what Rush songs and albums I've listened to the most over the years, Power Windows might very well be at the top of most plays.
Wow, that's amazing, John. You're obviously a big fan, so I know you don't say that lightly, but still...it does not compute! :)
How about the more fun game of comparing Signals vs. Grace Under Pressure vs Power Windows, by ranking them, and then adding the totals for each album (the lower the number, the better).
What's the second number??
Kev, thanks for posting that interview. Great read!
Although I bought the DVD when it came out (haven't watched it in ages!), I just ordered the Rush In Rio CD.
That's fine because Ceiling Unlimited might be my least favorite song on VT. But this was a good chance to get nice live recordings of the VT material. Unfortunately it has The Pass/Bravado, but hey, that's why the skip button was created!Although I bought the DVD when it came out (haven't watched it in ages!), I just ordered the Rush In Rio CD.
The CD set is nice as it has 2 bonus tracks that were A/B swaps on the tour, although, it unfortunately misses the chance to include "Ceiling Unlimited", although some good audience bootlegs have surfaced with fairly good recordings of the song.
-Marc.
That's fine because Ceiling Unlimited might be my least favorite song on VT. But this was a good chance to get nice live recordings of the VT material. Unfortunately it has The Pass/Bravado, but hey, that's why the skip button was created!Although I bought the DVD when it came out (haven't watched it in ages!), I just ordered the Rush In Rio CD.
The CD set is nice as it has 2 bonus tracks that were A/B swaps on the tour, although, it unfortunately misses the chance to include "Ceiling Unlimited", although some good audience bootlegs have surfaced with fairly good recordings of the song.
-Marc.
I've been listening to the St. Paul boot almost daily and it has put me in a Rush mood.
Kev, thanks for posting that interview. Great read!
Yeah, great read indeed. Thanks!
Now that I've fallen into Spotify's hands I was able to listen to the remastered version of Vapor Trails and I was very much disappointed. The sound is "better" in terms of quality but the songs are completely different to what they used to be because of that and I've learned to love them the way they sound in the original mix.
Has anyone else experienced the same?
Now that I've fallen into Spotify's hands I was able to listen to the remastered version of Vapor Trails and I was very much disappointed. The sound is "better" in terms of quality but the songs are completely different to what they used to be because of that and I've learned to love them the way they sound in the original mix.
Has anyone else experienced the same?
I think I've posted this before, but it's worth it to do again.
Here is a medley I made for my radio show a few years ago. I would wager if I asked a non-fan to point out which sample doesn't sound as if it belongs, sonically, they'd have no issue making a choice.
https://wpapu.com/sounds/Rushgasm.mp3
Now that I've fallen into Spotify's hands I was able to listen to the remastered version of Vapor Trails and I was very much disappointed. The sound is "better" in terms of quality but the songs are completely different to what they used to be because of that and I've learned to love them the way they sound in the original mix.
Has anyone else experienced the same?
Is it time for the three 6-track albums yet? I'll get us started...My picks would probably be the same for the most part, except that 2112 would come in second, because I prefer Bangkok, The Twilight Zone and S4N to their counterparts (no pun intended) on AFTK.
*snip*
2112 - 15
AFTK - 12
PEW - 9
As I would have expected, Permanent Waves is one of my favorite albums of all time!
-Marc.
Does anyone know how many copies of Permanet Waves have been sold? According to my information more than a million.Is this true? I think more :)
Now that I've fallen into Spotify's hands I was able to listen to the remastered version of Vapor Trails and I was very much disappointed. The sound is "better" in terms of quality but the songs are completely different to what they used to be because of that and I've learned to love them the way they sound in the original mix.
Has anyone else experienced the same?
https://classicrock.teamrock.com/features/2015-06-11/the-50-greatest-rush-songs-ever
Great, thanks.
So that means the show ends around 10:30, leaving plenty of time to catch the train to Penn and then the train from Grand Central to New Haven.
And yes, I realize it's silly to take a train to a concert from the venue in which they'll be playing two days later. I think tickets for the Newark show are cheaper (haven't checked recently).
I'm trying to figure out the feasibility of seeing R40 with my friend.
So, shirking off financial worries as any irresponsible teen would, can anyone tell me roughly how long the shows last?
Can anyone please tell me when the last time In The End was in a setlist?
How about as a stand alone track?
How about as a stand alone track?
I wanna say, either the 2112 Tour or the All The World's A Stage Tour.
- Marc.
Thanks guys!
It's my favorite pre 2112 Rush tune. Wish they thought of it as much as I do.
Why get upset? They never show full shows.
So I was checking out some Ayreon vocalists and bumped onto an acoustic online set by Mike Mills, which features a Farewell to Kings (song) cover.That is an amazing cover. Wow. His vocals are amazing! His cover of Iron Maiden's 'Stranger in a Strange Land' is really good as well.
I love stuff like this and since this board really loves Rush, I thought some of you might enjoy this cover. His voice really fits early Rush music.
Cover is at 24m52s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4jMqoIZgag#t=24m52s
Looking ahead to the rumored recording of the Toronto shows, they'll be playing the B and C setlists (if they continue their pattern), and of the two, I'm willing to bet that the MAIN show will be the C set, which includes 3 songs from PEW and 3 songs from HEMI, and is the longer of the 3 sets. With that in mind, I'm hoping they release the B set-only songs as bonus tracks on the DVD and CD sets, and I figured the 3CD set will look something like this...
Disc 1 ~ 60-65 mins (1st Set)
1. The Anarchist
2. Clockwork Angels
3. Headling Flight (w/Drumbastica)
4. Far Cry
5. The Main Monkey Business
6. One Little Victory
7. Animate
8. Roll The Bones
9. Distant Early Warning
10. Subdivisions
11. Losing It (Maybe? Here or before Subdivisions, or in place of...)
Disc 2 ~ 74 mins (2nd Set)
1. Tom Sawyer
2. YYZ
3. The Spirit Of Radio
4. Natural Science
5. Jacob's Ladder
6. Cygnus X-1, Book 2: Hemispheres (Prelude)
7. Cygnux X-1, Book 1: The Voyage (Prologue, Drum Solo, 3)
8. Closer To The Heart
9. Xanadu
10. 2112 (Overture, The Temples Of Syrinx, Presentation, Grand Finale)
Disc 3 ~ 44-50 mins (Encore & Bonus Tracks)
1. Lakeside Park
2. Anthem
3. What You're Doing
4. Working Man (w/Garden Road teaser)
5. The Wreckers
6. How It Is
7. Between The Wheels
8. The Camera Eye
9. Red Barchetta (Maybe?)
The first and 2nd discs could be a little longer if they perform "Losing It" and include the Set A-only track "Red Barchetta" (although no big loss if RB isn't included).
Either way, it would be AMAZING if they released all 30 of these songs on the eventual live album.
-Marc.
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2015/10/08/4496/Rushs-upcoming-R40-Live-CDDVDBlu-ray-details-cover-tracklist-and-pre-order-now-available (https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2015/10/08/4496/Rushs-upcoming-R40-Live-CDDVDBlu-ray-details-cover-tracklist-and-pre-order-now-available)
Official trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyMwIdrvpHI&feature=share
Jacob's Ladder video:
https://www.vevo.com/watch/rush/Jacobs-Ladder/CAA321500588
I've skipped the last few DVDs but I'm getting this for sure.
Based on the trailer, I suspect this will be another Rush live release I won't get a lot of mileage out of because of Geddy's current live vocals.I think one of the reasons they chose two lower register songs (Bones and Jacob) as the full preview videos is that Geddy's weaknesses aren't so audible and therefore may not scare away potential buyers.
I've even skipped the live CDs. Last DVD I got was Rush In Rio. I actually only got that CD within the past year.I've skipped the last few DVDs but I'm getting this for sure.
Me too. I've bought all of the live cd's that they have released but haven't purchased too many of the dvds. This one is a must.
Why is that - because of Geddy's voice? Personally, I'm glad they've released a video and CD from every tour starting with the Vapor Trails tour - saves me the hassle of having to find a good quality bootleg from each tour! And since the VT tour, they've shaken up the setlist significantly more from tour to tour than they did before Neil's tragedies (besides the R30 tour). So IMO it's worth getting every one of their live releases. And now with the R40 box set, you can get them all together plus a bunch of bonus stuff.I've even skipped the live CDs. Last DVD I got was Rush In Rio. I actually only got that CD within the past year.I've skipped the last few DVDs but I'm getting this for sure.Me too. I've bought all of the live cd's that they have released but haven't purchased too many of the dvds. This one is a must.
Why is that - because of Geddy's voice? Personally, I'm glad they've released a video and CD from every tour starting with the Vapor Trails tour - saves me the hassle of having to find a good quality bootleg from each tour! And since the VT tour, they've shaken up the setlist significantly more from tour to tour than they did before Neil's tragedies (besides the R30 tour). So IMO it's worth getting every one of their live releases. And now with the R40 box set, you can get them all together plus a bunch of bonus stuff.I've even skipped the live CDs. Last DVD I got was Rush In Rio. I actually only got that CD within the past year.I've skipped the last few DVDs but I'm getting this for sure.Me too. I've bought all of the live cd's that they have released but haven't purchased too many of the dvds. This one is a must.
Why is that - because of Geddy's voice? Personally, I'm glad they've released a video and CD from every tour starting with the Vapor Trails tour - saves me the hassle of having to find a good quality bootleg from each tour! And since the VT tour, they've shaken up the setlist significantly more from tour to tour than they did before Neil's tragedies (besides the R30 tour). So IMO it's worth getting every one of their live releases. And now with the R40 box set, you can get them all together plus a bunch of bonus stuff.I've even skipped the live CDs. Last DVD I got was Rush In Rio. I actually only got that CD within the past year.I've skipped the last few DVDs but I'm getting this for sure.Me too. I've bought all of the live cd's that they have released but haven't purchased too many of the dvds. This one is a must.
No, Geddy has nothing to do with it. I just don't have a huge interest in Rush. This past tour was special, and I'm making an exception.
Rush to me these days is "just another band". Has been for a long time. Clockwork Angels was excellent, but to me, they have never come close to touching Hemispheres through Moving Pictures. That's why I fell in love with Dream Theater, as they picked up where 1981 Rush left off.
I thought Snakes And Arrows blew, while I do enjoy Vapor Trails, well most of it. I haven't been moved to buy the live offerings.
But I enjoyed the boots of the last tour, and the setlist is amazing. An untouchable 2nd set.
they have never come close to touching Hemispheres through Moving Pictures.
re the bolded.... Of course they haven't. Nobody has. Those are God-tier albums, and arguably the best run of four albums ever
they have never come close to touching Hemispheres through Moving Pictures.
re the bolded.... Of course they haven't. Nobody has. Those are God-tier albums, and arguably the best run of four albums ever
:huh:
Rush to me these days is "just another band". Has been for a long time. Clockwork Angels was excellent, but to me, they have never come close to touching Hemispheres through Moving Pictures. That's why I fell in love with Dream Theater, as they picked up where 1981 Rush left off.
I thought Snakes And Arrows blew, while I do enjoy Vapor Trails, well most of it. I haven't been moved to buy the live offerings.
But I enjoyed the boots of the last tour, and the setlist is amazing. An untouchable 2nd set.
re the bolded.... Of course they haven't. Nobody has. Those are God-tier albums, and arguably the best run of four albums ever (imo, they are... only Floyd's run of DSOTM to The Wall comes close to matching it).
I prefer Power Windows and Clockwork Angels to Moving Pictures and Permanent Waves, as albums.
2112 and AFTK would like to be in that run as well.Absolutely.
I prefer Power Windows and Clockwork Angels to Moving Pictures and Permanent Waves, as albums.
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Power Windows has some of the best Lyrics NP he's ever written. The music translates them very well!
Power Windows has some of the best Lyrics NP he's ever written. The music translates them very well!
Amen!! So damn uplifting too!
Power Windows is uplifting??
Songs about war, nuclear bonbs, greed? :tup
Power Windows is uplifting??
Songs about war, nuclear bonbs, greed? :tup
I bought Vapor Trails today. Listened to it, and nothing really grabbed me on first listen. Nothing I can hook onto and look forward to during subsequent listens.
Even though I put Power Windows as my #3 or 4 album overall, there is no question that it is Neil's greatest lyrical achievement. Absolutely #1 in the lyrical department, and it's not even close. Big Money is the only shaky one in the bunch, and even that one is not bad.
I got to see Marillion play Misplaced Childhood live opening up for Rush on the Power Windows tour. Hard to beat that.
Watched R40 the other night at a friend's house...
-Geddy's vocals are probably better than they were on the last two DVDs/Blu-rays, but still rough at times
-Much like our show here in STL, Alex looked like he wasn't having fun most of the show
-Losing It was such a pleasure to finally see, even just on the Blu-ray
-2nd set/encore still just absolutely sick :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
-It's over
I haven't seen Rush in a long time but in the half dozen times I have seen them, half of those they were definitely going through motions. Neil has never looked like he was having fun.
But his playing on this tour was very inspired and I don't think he has ever sounded or played better.
Neil has never looked like he was having fun.
But his playing on this tour was very inspired and I don't think he has ever sounded or played better.
I would die to hear that.
But his playing on this tour was very inspired and I don't think he has ever sounded or played better.
There's no way I can say that. For his age, his playing is still pretty ridiculous, but if you go back and watch Xanadu for ESL, for example, he does several fills that are just crazy fast, and he didn't come close to doing those this time around. Not that speed means everything, but I think you know what I mean. Again, for his age, his playing is still off the charts, but he is no longer at the top of his game (which, really, was THE best any rock drummer ever was). Of the three, I think Geddy is the one you could argue is playing as good as ever (but not singing as good as ever :lol :lol).
Tim I would say you also didn't connect to the newer music which affected how you enjoyed the show.
Geddy is interested in getting Steven Wilson to remix Rush albums in 5.1 (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/rush_streaming_services_treat_musicians_poorly_theyve_devalued_music.html)
Tim I would say you also didn't connect to the newer music which affected how you enjoyed the show.
I don't know. I think Hold Your Fire blows, but that might've been the best Rush show I ever saw.
Geddy is interested in getting Steven Wilson to remix Rush albums in 5.1 (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/rush_streaming_services_treat_musicians_poorly_theyve_devalued_music.html)
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I would die to hear that.
Geddy is interested in getting Steven Wilson to remix Rush albums in 5.1 (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/rush_streaming_services_treat_musicians_poorly_theyve_devalued_music.html)
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Yup, we would all cream out pants. :lol
I did dribble a little. :lolA little? I might need to replace all of my pants.
I got to see Marillion play Misplaced Childhood live opening up for Rush on the Power Windows tour. Hard to beat that.
Tim I would say you also didn't connect to the newer music which affected how you enjoyed the show.
I don't know. I think Hold Your Fire blows, but that might've been the best Rush show I ever saw.
T4E tour was killer every show I saw.
I got to see Marillion play Misplaced Childhood live opening up for Rush on the Power Windows tour. Hard to beat that.
You don't say....
I got to see Marillion play Misplaced Childhood live opening up for Rush on the Power Windows tour. Hard to beat that.
You don't say....
I do.
Every time I can. :lol
Starman my suck? ???
, rather than release mediocre mid-tempo "prog-lite" soft rock
, rather than release mediocre mid-tempo "prog-lite" soft rock
Haven't they been doing that since 1988? ;D
, rather than release mediocre mid-tempo "prog-lite" soft rock
Haven't they been doing that since 1988? ;D
, rather than release mediocre mid-tempo "prog-lite" soft rock
Haven't they been doing that since 1988? ;D
Comparatively, not really. :p Songs like Animate, Driven, One Little Victory, and Headlong Flight are definitely not slow and lite.
Go spin Yes' last album and then listen to Clockwork Angels and tell me which one you'd rather have to end a band's career. :tup
-Marc.
The Garden would be an amazing swan song to their career as a band. I have no qualms about them calling it quits at this point.
Clockwork Angels is outstanding no doubt. Why the hell did it take so long? It's like they already knew it was coming to an end. The band just feels focused on this effort as opposed to throwing shit together as they had been doing since Roll The Bones. (I do like Counterparts!). But to me, everything they had done since is just below their writing and playing skills. Until CA that is.
Clockwork Angels is outstanding no doubt. Why the hell did it take so long? It's like they already knew it was coming to an end. The band just feels focused on this effort as opposed to throwing shit together as they had been doing since Roll The Bones. (I do like Counterparts!). But to me, everything they had done since is just below their writing and playing skills. Until CA that is.
Well.. the plan was to start on new material after the first of the year. He and Alex are anxious to start writing new stuff then. They are not averse to recording without touring if that lets them stay creating. If NP decides no way, then my guess is they don't move ahead without him, but Ged is ready to create after the holidays, whatever that looks like. But they want to make music together.
Sad day. We all knew it was coming, and it was definitely time, but still a sad day. It is officially over.
:tup :tup to rock's greatest drummer, one of rock's best lyricists, and to the best band ever. :coolio :hat
Well.. the plan was to start on new material after the first of the year. He and Alex are anxious to start writing new stuff then. They are not averse to recording without touring if that lets them stay creating. If NP decides no way, then my guess is they don't move ahead without him, but Ged is ready to create after the holidays, whatever that looks like. But they want to make music together.
Alex Lifeson, Geddy Lee. Mike Portnoy.
I Don't See Alex and Geddy playing together without Neil. They may guest on each other's music but not form a band. Imo.Maybe this is true, because they intend to preserve Rush 's legacy, but it's also a shame, because they have still much to offer together (and it seems that they have this desire too).
I think you gave it backwards Nick. :lol
Well.. the plan was to start on new material after the first of the year. He and Alex are anxious to start writing new stuff then. They are not averse to recording without touring if that lets them stay creating. If NP decides no way, then my guess is they don't move ahead without him, but Ged is ready to create after the holidays, whatever that looks like. But they want to make music together.
The Garden would be an amazing swan song to their career as a band. I have no qualms about them calling it quits at this point.Great point.
He's earned it.Definitely.
I Don't See Alex and Geddy playing together without Neil. They may guest on each other's music but not form a band. Imo.Another good point. Alex might end up playing some stuff on Geddy's next solo album, which I'm sure will come out at some point. That's certainly a thing to look forward to.
Well.. the plan was to start on new material after the first of the year. He and Alex are anxious to start writing new stuff then. They are not averse to recording without touring if that lets them stay creating. If NP decides no way, then my guess is they don't move ahead without him, but Ged is ready to create after the holidays, whatever that looks like. But they want to make music together.
Alex Lifeson, Geddy Lee. Mike Portnoy.
Call me a sucker for great endings, but I think ending with this year's tour and with Clockwork Angels being their last album, is the perfect ending to a 40-year plus career. I mean, The Garden as the last song on their last album? What could get better than that?Nope.
But even that wasn't really their last song, since they released Made in Heaven. Granted, that was filled with songs previously recorded and unfinished prior to Freddie's death, but it still goes down as their final album.
Similarly, while I enjoy The Endless River a lot, I still wish High Hopes would have remained as the last song on the last Pink Floyd album.
Does anyone have any clue why on earth this new DVD isn't getting a release in Australia? Every other Rush product has, seems weird.
See, here's something interesting: I wonder what kind of music Rush can put together when there's no real concern about being able to perform it live.
Similarly, while I enjoy The Endless River a lot, I still wish High Hopes would have remained as the last song on the last Pink Floyd album.
I wish "Two Suns In The Sunset" had remained the last song on the last Floyd album, but there ya go.That would have been fantastic. Their overall discography would have been so much stronger in my opinion.
See, here's something interesting: I wonder what kind of music Rush can put together when there's no real concern about being able to perform it live.
Different Strings
Witch Hunt
Losing It
All were written and recorded at the time with the thought being that they would never perform them live (although Witch Hunt was once advances in MIDI came about in the mid 80s, and we all know about Losing It finally being played this year).
Happy 21/12, guys! :metal
Happy 21/12, guys! :metal
Confirmed by Alex.
https://forgottenguitar.com/2016/03/08/alex-lifeson-confirms-that-rushs-touring-career-has-come-to-an-end/
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, here, but as a person that played sports into college (hockey) and played competitive men's softball up to about two or three years ago, if he's having physical issues NOW, and if playing to 100% is his big concern NOW, "dusting it off now and again" is not going to be any easier, in fact it is going to be harder. As painful as it might have been for him, and certainly up to a certain point (on a 18-month tour you just get flat tired out), the regular routine of playing a couple nights a week for a couple months likely made it hurt LESS than it could have been.
Happy 40th anniversary to 2112 :metal
1. the "Robin Sparkles - Behind The Music" episode of "How I Met Your Mother"
That's not even a top three TV Rush sighting.
1. the "Robin Sparkles - Behind The Music" episode of "How I Met Your Mother"
2. Archer, the running joke with Kreiger (Archer: "So you can play YYZ?" Kreiger: "First of all, it's 'Y-Y-Zed, and second of all, no.")
3. Their appearance on the Colbert Report ("Question: you've been touring for years now; do you ever get tired of being so awesome and kicking so much ass?")
To piggyback on that, I'm actually a bit confused on what R40 actually contains. Is there stuff on there that isn't found on any other DVD? Is that stuff worth getting the box set for if so? Or is it just their recent DVDs repackaged?
I haven't really gone through them with a kickbutt system to truly check out the sound, so I can't answer the first one.I should've clarified I wasn't asking a sound comparison of audiophile level of detail just a general listening experience between the two concert mixes. Is the Time Machine blruay mix the same sort of listen as Clockworks or better, more consistent,etc.. that kind of stuff?
To piggyback on that, I'm actually a bit confused on what R40 actually contains. Is there stuff on there that isn't found on any other DVD? Is that stuff worth getting the box set for if so? Or is it just their recent DVDs repackaged?
There's a bonus disc containing a show with John Rutsey, a show from the 2112 tour, some footage from a Test For Echo show, and the Rock Hall induction.
That is very cool.
This is my favorite Subdivisions cover.
https://youtu.be/W4vd9OVLO7Q
That is very cool.
This is my favorite Subdivisions cover.
https://youtu.be/W4vd9OVLO7Q
I knew what this was going to be before I even clicked the link
Same. I blew the money and only watched the extra disk. :lol
Same. I blew the money and only watched the extra disk. :lol
The only material that was unreleased on that compilation box was the Test For Echo Tour footage. "The Capitol Theatre show from 1976 (which has been widely bootlegged) and the full Laura Secord show (parts of which were previously released.), right?
Oh, and the Hall of Fame induction ceremony...
8 or 9 songs.
8 or 9 songs.
I got roped in by Half The World, Resist, Natural Science 2112, and Nobody's Hero among others.
8 or 9 songs.
I got roped in by Half The World, Resist, Natural Science 2112, and Nobody's Hero among others.
The bonus disk cost me $100.00. :lol
So funny...
https://bravewords.com/news/rush-new-time-stand-still-documentary-preview-recalls-hijinks-on-kiss-tour-gene-simmons-was-very-very-upset-with-the-bag-and-that-made-ace-frehley-even-happier-video
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2016/10/13/4782/Rush-Time-Stand-Still-R40-tour-documentary-DVDBlu-ray-now-available-for-pre-order
It seems the live bonus content is 60 min from Presto tour :tup
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2016/10/13/4782/Rush-Time-Stand-Still-R40-tour-documentary-DVDBlu-ray-now-available-for-pre-orderSweet!
It seems the live bonus content is 60 min from Presto tour :tup
Even though I pretty much took the 80's albums off from Rush, I have always loved Presto. I remember thinking this was "adult contemporary" Rush. I love the vibe of that album.
Funny you say that Tim. After Roll The Bones, all the guys in Rush though the same thing. They felt the songs had a heavier, more rocking sound live compared to the last 2 albums and that what lead to Counterparts sound.
Even though I pretty much took the 80's albums off from Rush, I have always loved Presto. I remember thinking this was "adult contemporary" Rush. I love the vibe of that album.Funny you say that Tim. After Roll The Bones, all the guys in Rush though the same thing. They felt the songs had a heavier, more rocking sound live compared to the last 2 albums and that what lead to Counterparts sound.
A lot of RTB feels like songs that weren't good enough for Presto.
Overall Presto is more consistent than RtB..
But Dreamline, Bravado and Ghost of a Chance are better songs than anything from RtB.
No they never played it live.
I think it's a tricky song to play live and I wish they gave it a shot.
I wouldn't categorize Double Agent as tricky at all, really. The only tough part live would have been the spoken word part, and I say "would have" because Geddy didn't even attempt to do it live (it was triggered.)
CD – DISC 2
SOLAR FEDERATION
OVERTURE – Dave Grohl, Taylor Hawkins and Nick Raskulinecz
A PASSAGE TO BANGKOK – Billy Talent
THE TWILIGHT ZONE – Steven Wilson
TEARS – Alice In Chains
SOMETHING FOR NOTHING – Jacob Moon
“2112” – Live at Massey Hall 1976 Outtake
SOMETHING FOR NOTHING – Live at Massey Hall 1976 Outtake
THE TWILIGHT ZONE – Live 1977 Contraband
2112 1976 RADIO AD
https://www.rush.com/2112-40th/
GUYS...GUYS... A LIVE VERSION OF 'THE TWILIGHT ZONE" TO BE OFFICIALLY RELEASED.
This is huge, at least to me, as a fan of having complete live versions of their tours. Guess I'll have to break out my old Complete Tours .wav files and re-mix a new version of the "All The World's A Stage Tour 1977".
Also, new recordings of covers of the album, featuring a TON of guests!!!QuoteCD – DISC 2
SOLAR FEDERATION
OVERTURE – Dave Grohl, Taylor Hawkins and Nick Raskulinecz
A PASSAGE TO BANGKOK – Billy Talent
THE TWILIGHT ZONE – Steven Wilson
TEARS – Alice In Chains
SOMETHING FOR NOTHING – Jacob Moon
“2112” – Live at Massey Hall 1976 Outtake
SOMETHING FOR NOTHING – Live at Massey Hall 1976 Outtake
THE TWILIGHT ZONE – Live 1977 Contraband
2112 1976 RADIO AD
OH MAN... I wasn't looking forward to buying my Nth copy of 2112, but this might be worth it.
EDIT - So, looking back at the PowerWindows website, it looks like they only list 2 known live performances of "The Twilight Zone", which seems to match up with Rush's website's blurb, but one was on New Year's Eve of 1976, and the other on April 17, 1977 at the.W. Lisner Auditorium in Washington, DC, a show that seems to be heavily bootlegged over the years, so it'll be nice to have a (hopefully) good sounding of this song. I'd love to get the WHOLE show though...
Bastille Day
Anthem
Lakeside Park
2112 (with abbreviated Discovery, minus Oracle)
Twilight Zone
Something For Nothing
By-Tor And The Snow Dog
The Necromancer (Under the Shadow/Return of the Prince)
In The End
Working Man / Finding My Way / Drum Solo
Fly By Night
In The Mood
What You're Doing
Best I Can
However, considering we've got soundboards of pretty much everything else on this show (except "The Necromancer"), I think I'll be happy with "The Twilight Zone".
-Marc.
Btw, I lived in my parents basement. :lol:lol
But I movedon't down to the basement to have my own bedroom to mack daddy with my girls. Little brothers suck. :lol
Well Kev, I'd say that is more the reality than the cool high school kids. All? No. But more the majority.
I loved the Prest tour footage. That was the first tour I ever seen Rush, I was floored! I couldn't believe the blu-ray didn't include "Time Stand Still" on the bonus footage, considering the title of this release..lol!Well Kev, I'd say that is more the reality than the cool high school kids. All? No. But more the majority.
True that.
I was hoping for more of super fan Ray and the road crew myself.
I have the whole video from that Presto show and have watched it a little less than once a year since the summer of 1990 so I've long spoiled any chance to be impressed by that. But it's nice to have part of it commercially released anyway.
Has anyone bought the Blu Ray audio discs of Signals AFTK and FBN?
Interested to know if they are worth getting, really keen on getting Signals but read a pretty bad review of it on amazon.
Happy 2112 day!!!
Happy 2112 day!!!
I was looking at it but will likely pass.
I just didnt see the need for all those cover songs. I want to hear Rush play Rush, not Billy Talent play Rush.
How good does the remastered vinyl release of Signals sound?
Way better than the CD, I'm hearing sounds I've never heard before from this record.
Certainly more dynamic and mix sounds a little more fresh and trebly than the duller sounding CD.
In case anyone is still curious about 2112, I posted a brief review on another forum:
Well I got the 2112 40th. Just the standard 40th anniversary. I wasn't going to buy it, but received it as a Christmas gift. The remaster sounds fine, not sure if it's different from the last one they put out. Still doesn't beat the original regardless. But I don't think anyone is interested in yet another remaster of 2112 at this point.
The real meat is, of course, the bonus disc. I'm still disappointed at how filled with cover songs it is, but I understand they didn't have a lot of bonus material to choose from. The covers themselves vary from bad to pretty good.
Overture by the Foo Fighters is fine I guess. They play it pretty straight. Seems like more of a safe choice, would've liked to see them do a part of the suite with vocals. Is it safe to call Nick Raskulinecz a hack at this point? I don't think I've heard any production job by him that sounds good. Always way too loud and compressed to the point where the life is sucked out of the music.
Passage to Bangkok - Not sure Billy Talent is, this one just sounds like the same song with modern production and glam rock vocals. It's OK.
Twilight Zone by Steven Wilson is the best of the bunch by a long shot. The creepy psychedelic tone to this song is perfect for his style. It's close enough to the original but Stevie gives it his own stamp.
Tears by Alice in Chains: I don't like it. Too busy. There are some interesting sounds but I really like how stripped down the original is. But I also consider Tears the second best song after the title track, so I'm pretty biased there.
Something For Nothing is good. It's the same guy who did that awesome Subdivisions cover that was posted in this thread awhile back.
Hilarious that Lessons got snubbed for the covers. I always forget that song exists and apparently they did too when putting this together. Even Alex seems pretty indifferent toward it during the Q&A interview on the DVD.
Live tracks are cool. It's nice to get an almost complete rendition of 2112 from the 70s, I had never heard one before.
I didn't even know they ever performed Twilight Zone live. In the liner notes it says it was only performed twice. Anyway, this recording is really low quality. I'm glad they included it for historic significance, but it shows that once again they are digging at the bottom of the well with this release.
Then you have a radio ad and the solar federation spoken word section isolated. Meh.
The DVD is pretty neat. Almost makes the whole set worth it. The live video is awesome. You get a nearly complete version of 2112 and some other 70s tracks. I've seen clips of this on various documentaries but never the full video. I'm sure the bootleggers are already familiar with this, but it was new to me. Love vintage video. The Q&A was surprisingly really interesting. I thought I had heard everything there was to know about this album by now, but there was actually a lot of new information. I think it helped that they got Alex and Terry Brown to do it instead of the usual suspects, Geddy and Neil. Since Terry is there they spend a lot more time talking about the production side of things. how the songs were recorded and such. Less about the songwriting which has been discussed to death. So I found all that really fascinating.
Liner notes are very expansive. Those are worth a read. You get bits on every song.
Overall, I'd say give this one a pass unless you're a hardcore fan. The whole release seems pointless. I get that there's not a lot to choose from, but why not do something like this for other albums? Or a box set type thing covering the band's entire early period. Just seems like a cash grab. It is better than the last 2112 deluxe edition, but at this point falls under the category of too little too late.
I like those albums too but wish they were longer. That proggy period of Rush was awesome, but there's so little material there.
what's the general consensus on the Vapor Trails remaster? found a good deal on the vinyl and wondered if its worth picking up
what's the general consensus on the Vapor Trails remaster? found a good deal on the vinyl and wondered if its worth picking up
what's the general consensus on the Vapor Trails remaster? found a good deal on the vinyl and wondered if its worth picking up
If the mastering on the original bothered you, in terms of sounding overblown and being too loud, the remaster might help you enjoy the material a bit more. Some fans, however, would agree that the album loses a bit of its punch because of it, but there's some more instrumentation and musical detail that is now apparent thanks to the remaster. It's really a YMMV, but if you really like the material, and don't mind buying the album (again), go for it.
I got into the band around the time the original VT came out, and I spun that album to death (it's got so many scratches from being played in my portable Sony walkman, the one with the blue top and green dots - you know the one). I love the songs and album as a whole, but as my ears got more attuned to what a good sounding album sounded like, I began to notice how hot the album sounded, and how poorly the mastering was. The remaster is a bit of fresh air for the songs, IMO, and don't mind the loss of the raw-punch the original had, just so I can hear the song properly now.
-Marc.
CA is top 5 Rush imo.
I agree with you about Snakes & Arrows. It's near the bottom for me and I besides the songs you mentioned, I find it to be a fairly boring release. Mid tempo stragglers is a good way to put it
I think S&A sounds spectacular, but it feels like the music was written as a vehicle for Neil's lyrics. I cannot get into that album.
And I still cannot believe that I am the only person that hears Black Sabbath's A National Acrobat in The Main Monkey Business.
I think S&A sounds spectacular, but it feels like the music was written as a vehicle for Neil's lyrics. I cannot get into that album.
And I still cannot believe that I am the only person that hears Black Sabbath's A National Acrobat in The Main Monkey Business.
<Runs downstairs to get his copy of Snakes and Arrows for a re-listen...>
I'm in the minority in that I loved the original Vapor Trails. Even to the point where it never left my car stereo for four months. Yes, the sonic qualities are abysmal, but I was still able to look past them and enjoy the album in full.
When the first couple tracks for the remixed album came out, I was excited for the whole thing to be heard. I loved the new details in One Little Victory that could now be heard, and I was looking forward to seeing what other things would be uncovered that were previously buried under the mud. Unfortunately, the officially released remixed version underwhelmed me. I was only expecting that the sound would be cleaned up, but some slightly changed arrangements (like in Ceiling Unlimited) or changed/remixed vocal melodies (as in Peaceable Kingdom) made me feel like I was listening to a different record than the one I originally loved.
Between the two mixes, I actually prefer the original. I bought the HD tracks version of the album which retained the original album's punch and rawness while reducing the clipping a bit that it suffered from, so that's the one I like the most.
Surprised to see the dislike for Snakes & Arrows!
It's not the greatest Rush album sure, but a very good listen regardless.
And lyrically speaking, S&A is Neil's finest hour along with Power Windows IMO.
What is it, stuck under the seat? ;D
What is it, stuck under the seat? ;D
What is it, stuck under the seat? ;D
What is it, stuck under the seat? ;D
You son of a bitch. :lol
Just watched the Time Machine concert dvd/blu-ray again. I forgot how good that show is. It is actually an electrifying performance and the audience is fired up. Great setlist, light show, and sound. Alex is hilarious throughout and his part as Slobovich with the gefilter, priceless!
Which is your guys' favorite live concert DVD from Rush?
That must have been incredible to witness! :tupJust watched the Time Machine concert dvd/blu-ray again. I forgot how good that show is. It is actually an electrifying performance and the audience is fired up. Great setlist, light show, and sound. Alex is hilarious throughout and his part as Slobovich with the gefilter, priceless!
Which is your guys' favorite live concert DVD from Rush?
Rush in Rio. I was there!!!!
Which is your guys' favorite live concert DVD from Rush?
It blows my mind when people think aging rock starts can do what they did in their youth. I have lowered my expectations knowing this.
I've watched it oce.
Same here. For me, I know why; I just don't have as much free time, so everything gets cut back, including time to just sit and watch concert vids. I still have my commute, so there's always live albums in the car, so that's my fix for now.Exactly.
I used to get a new Rush live DVD and watch the crap out of it. The last few I've barely touched after the initial watches...because of the vocals.
2112 was released this day in 1976 :tup
Huh?
So I've been listening to Signals lately.(https://fotos.fotoflexer.com/46c3384f0358d210e423b9ab348770a0.jpg)
Just popped in to say that in The Weapon, I totally misheard "He knows of horrors worse than your Hell" as "He knows a whore is worse than your hand."
"He knows a whore is worse than your hand."
The Weapon remains one of Rush's most underrated and underplayed songs ever. I saw every Rush tour from 1991-2015, and that is near the top of my list of Rush songs I am bummed I never got to see.
The Weapon
Manhattan Project (it was rotated out the night they played here on the CA tour :censored)
Cut to the Chase (I cannot believe this was never played)
The Enemy Within
Prime Mover
Turn the Page
I would list Everyday Glory, but I never thought that had a prayer of getting played.
The Weapon remains one of Rush's most underrated and underplayed songs ever. I saw every Rush tour from 1991-2015, and that is near the top of my list of Rush songs I am bummed I never got to see.
The Weapon
Manhattan Project (it was rotated out the night they played here on the CA tour :censored)
Cut to the Chase (I cannot believe this was never played)
The Enemy Within
Prime Mover
Turn the Page
I would list Everyday Glory, but I never thought that had a prayer of getting played.
Seen all but Cut To The Chase.VT is definitely the one song on that album I wanted to see live, but I would've love to have seen Nocturne and Freeze as well.
My bucket list song is Vapor Trail.
The Weapon and The Enemy Within are two songs on my list as well. It's a shame that when they finally dusted off Witch Hunt they didn't just do the whole trilogy.Agreed - the structure of the R40 tour was perfect for them to resurrect those two songs and play them before ending the first set with Witch Hunt (maybe with just a teaser of Freeze tacked on to the end). A missed opportunity for sure.
I saw them in 2013. My gut feeling was telling me that it might be my only chance. I'm so happy I decided to go for it.
Poor guy you!! I never got to see Rush and now Uncle Neil is retired :'(
Saw those as well.
The weapon on the GUP tour and the first show of the PW tour with Marillion. *Needles*
The Weapon and The Enemy Within are two songs on my list as well. It's a shame that when they finally dusted off Witch Hunt they didn't just do the whole trilogy.
The S&A tour sure was awesome for bringing back songs few thought we'd seen again:
Entre Nous (who saw that coming)
Digital Man
Circumstances
A Passage to Bangkok
And of course the return of Mission (which was inevitable). :hat
The S&A tour sure was awesome for bringing back songs few thought we'd seen again:
Entre Nous (who saw that coming)
Digital Man
Circumstances
A Passage to Bangkok
And of course the return of Mission (which was inevitable). :hat
I completely agree, but I think the fanbase as a whole definitely lost their collective shit more over Jacob's Ladder, Cygnus, Hemispheres, and full glory Xanadu on the R40 tour, along with the other rare goodies that tour offered.
I think i said this earlier somewhere, but i would have loved to see them perform Available Light.
Hell, i would have loved to see them live at least once. :( They didn't exactly visit Finland many times, and i missed my last chance during the CA tour due to personal commitments...
I think i said this earlier somewhere, but i would have loved to see them perform Available Light.
Hell, i would have loved to see them live at least once. :( They didn't exactly visit Finland many times, and i missed my last chance during the CA tour due to personal commitments...
I know not a popular sentiment, but they could have played any of Presto at any time and it would have been well received by me. I love that album, top to bottom.
I think i said this earlier somewhere, but i would have loved to see them perform Available Light.
Hell, i would have loved to see them live at least once. :( They didn't exactly visit Finland many times, and i missed my last chance during the CA tour due to personal commitments...
I know not a popular sentiment, but they could have played any of Presto at any time and it would have been well received by me. I love that album, top to bottom.
I'm pretty sure the reggae version of Working Man was way later than the 80s. I wanna say it was VT or SAA.They also did that on the Time Machine tour. It's on the dvd.
I would have loved to see them on the Clockwork Angels tour, especially since that set was heavy on the Power Windows material.
No they did a reggae version in the early 80s as well.
On a related note, RUSH HELP NEEDED! RUSH HELP NEEDED!
I came across a live version of a "Working Man Medley" and I'm trying to place the date as well as I can. I'm told it was '1980', but that doesn't jibe with what I've seen of the setlists for that tour.
It's a medley, and it starts with a reggae version of Working Man, then goes into a more straightforward Working Man. Here's the medley:
Working Man (Reggae)
Working Man
Hemispheres: III. Armageddon
By-Tor and the Snow Dog
(Something I can't place, but I've heard before; interspersed with Neil on what sound almost like electronic tuned drums or a percussive keyboard sample)
In The End
In The Mood
2112 Grand Finale
Any thoughts? Ideas?
I would have loved to see them on the Clockwork Angels tour, especially since that set was heavy on the Power Windows material.
That set list was like a wet dream for this Rush fan. Not only all of those Power Windows tunes, but we got the return of Where's My Thing and The Analog Kid as well.
You and me both. As awesome as the 2nd set and encore was of the R40 tour, the set list for the CA tour overall was more to my liking (it was stellar from start to finish, for the most part). Nearly every song was a winner (except for Far Cry), so there was no down time or "eh, I can't wait for this song to be over" moments.
In any case, I'd say all things considered Rush left us on back to back tours of two of their strongest sets ever.
Just listened to "My Fave Headache" again for the first time in a while. I love this album. You cant help but hear Rush but in a relaxed presentation. This album gave me some insight as to who in Rush was writing the emotional yet uplifting chord progressions. Runaway Train is outstanding.
Anyone else love this album? Admittedly my opinion is peppered with a healthy dose of Rush fanboyism.
Still and Slipping are my favorites.Working at Perfekt and and Slipping for me.
Just listened to "My Fave Headache" again for the first time in a while. I love this album. You cant help but hear Rush but in a relaxed presentation. This album gave me some insight as to who in Rush was writing the emotional yet uplifting chord progressions. Runaway Train is outstanding.
Anyone else love this album? Admittedly my opinion is peppered with a healthy dose of Rush fanboyism.
Just listened to "My Fave Headache" again for the first time in a while. I love this album. You cant help but hear Rush but in a relaxed presentation. This album gave me some insight as to who in Rush was writing the emotional yet uplifting chord progressions. Runaway Train is outstanding.
Anyone else love this album? Admittedly my opinion is peppered with a healthy dose of Rush fanboyism.
Just listened to "My Fave Headache" again for the first time in a while. I love this album. You cant help but hear Rush but in a relaxed presentation. This album gave me some insight as to who in Rush was writing the emotional yet uplifting chord progressions. Runaway Train is outstanding.
Anyone else love this album? Admittedly my opinion is peppered with a healthy dose of Rush fanboyism.
It's a good record. It's like another Presto, in the sense that it is one of the more easy listening albums by (a member of) Rush. It's a nice, easy listen.
I think Rush will record one more album, perhaps followed by a smaller tour with an opening act..
I'm hoping like The Who and do a small 10 to 12 city tour in the big market citiesThat would make the perfect co-headlining tour!!! :metal
Fellas, it is time to let go. Geddy can't sing worth a damn live anymore, and Neil is done. It's over. I have accepted it; it's time for you to as well. :coolio
Fellas, it is time to let go. Geddy can't sing worth a damn live anymore, and Neil is done. It's over. I have accepted it; it's time for you to as well. :coolio
They still owe us one album contractually so that still makes me smile.
Which tour was it where Geddy's voice last sounded rock solid. Early 90's? or earlier? Later?He sounded better than ever on the R30 tour imho. He sounded just fine on the R40 tour in Seattle. The R40 dvd doesn't do it justice,he must have had an off night or was sick or something like that.
Yes. They owe the record company one more. Us fans should rejoice!
Yes. They owe the record company one more. Us fans should rejoice!
It'll be all studio left overs, rareties, and covers.
Suckah!
Yeah, Neil is definitely a candidate for "Rock God Who Most Wishes He Was Not A Rock God".;D ;D ;D Very true!
Which tour was it where Geddy's voice last sounded rock solid. Early 90's? or earlier? Later?
Which tour was it where Geddy's voice last sounded rock solid. Early 90's? or earlier? Later?He sounded better than ever on the R30 tour imho. He sounded just fine on the R40 tour in Seattle. The R40 dvd doesn't do it justice,he must have had an off night or was sick or something like that.
It's my understanding that Neil lost interest in the TOURING, not the band or the music.
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I never really had an "interest"....he's made vocal his distaste of touring for a long time. But the *big* change was his physical ability. He personally feels he has gotten to a point so as to be incapable of being 100% any more. He promised himself that when it hit that particular point, it was over. He honored that promise to himself.I think you're correct in that he probably felt he hit that point after the CA tour, but he did not get "strong armed" into doing the R40 tour. I recall reading an article or interview with him, where he promised himself he wouldn't do any more touring *unless* someone else in the band said that they thought one more tour would be it for them (since they were worried they wouldn't be able to do it after said tour). Alex pretty much said exactly that, and Neil, being the principled man that he is (even if just living up to an agreement he made to himself) willingly agreed to do the tour.
In fact, he almost made it sound like he hit that point after the CA tour, and got strong armed into the R40 tour.
I think he only agreed to it because it was such a short tour. That is why I am 100% confident that it's done. I don't see him ever changing his mind. He is only going to get older, his body is already kicking his ass, and coming to the front of the stage at the end of their last show was symbolic for him; he did that because he knew it was their final show.And at that moment, I think, Geddy and Alex knew it as well.
I never really had an "interest"....he's made vocal his distaste of touring for a long time. But the *big* change was his physical ability. He personally feels he has gotten to a point so as to be incapable of being 100% any more. He promised himself that when it hit that particular point, it was over. He honored that promise to himself.I think you're correct in that he probably felt he hit that point after the CA tour, but he did not get "strong armed" into doing the R40 tour. I recall reading an article or interview with him, where he promised himself he wouldn't do any more touring *unless* someone else in the band said that they thought one more tour would be it for them (since they were worried they wouldn't be able to do it after said tour). Alex pretty much said exactly that, and Neil, being the principled man that he is (even if just living up to an agreement he made to himself) willingly agreed to do the tour.
In fact, he almost made it sound like he hit that point after the CA tour, and got strong armed into the R40 tour.
I haven't seen the doc yet, but what you're saying doesn't surprise me. Nonetheless, Neil could've easily said "sorry guys, I'm done" as he has now. But like I said, he apparently made a promise to himself with that one stipulation. So even tho he didn't want to do it (something I don't dispute), he willingly followed thru on his promise to himself and did it. I wouldn't call that being that he was strong armed into it, as if the other two guys forced him into doing it, which is what that phrase seems to suggest to me.I never really had an "interest"....he's made vocal his distaste of touring for a long time. But the *big* change was his physical ability. He personally feels he has gotten to a point so as to be incapable of being 100% any more. He promised himself that when it hit that particular point, it was over. He honored that promise to himself.I think you're correct in that he probably felt he hit that point after the CA tour, but he did not get "strong armed" into doing the R40 tour. I recall reading an article or interview with him, where he promised himself he wouldn't do any more touring *unless* someone else in the band said that they thought one more tour would be it for them (since they were worried they wouldn't be able to do it after said tour). Alex pretty much said exactly that, and Neil, being the principled man that he is (even if just living up to an agreement he made to himself) willingly agreed to do the tour.
In fact, he almost made it sound like he hit that point after the CA tour, and got strong armed into the R40 tour.
There was a part in the Time Stand Still doc where Neil hinted he knew Alex would be the one to say "one more"....and when that's exactly what happened, he went home with some cursing under his breath. That was the moment that led me to believe that he had been hoping to NOT do "one more"
I haven't seen the doc yet, but what you're saying doesn't surprise me. Nonetheless, Neil could've easily said "sorry guys, I'm done" as he has now. But like I said, he apparently made a promise to himself with that one stipulation. So even tho he didn't want to do it (something I don't dispute), he willingly followed thru on his promise to himself and did it. I wouldn't call that being that he was strong armed into it, as if the other two guys forced him into doing it, which is what that phrase seems to suggest to me.I never really had an "interest"....he's made vocal his distaste of touring for a long time. But the *big* change was his physical ability. He personally feels he has gotten to a point so as to be incapable of being 100% any more. He promised himself that when it hit that particular point, it was over. He honored that promise to himself.I think you're correct in that he probably felt he hit that point after the CA tour, but he did not get "strong armed" into doing the R40 tour. I recall reading an article or interview with him, where he promised himself he wouldn't do any more touring *unless* someone else in the band said that they thought one more tour would be it for them (since they were worried they wouldn't be able to do it after said tour). Alex pretty much said exactly that, and Neil, being the principled man that he is (even if just living up to an agreement he made to himself) willingly agreed to do the tour.
In fact, he almost made it sound like he hit that point after the CA tour, and got strong armed into the R40 tour.
There was a part in the Time Stand Still doc where Neil hinted he knew Alex would be the one to say "one more"....and when that's exactly what happened, he went home with some cursing under his breath. That was the moment that led me to believe that he had been hoping to NOT do "one more"
I felt that Neil was amazing on the R40 tour. He summoned whatever he had left and nailed it, similar to the last H&H tour with Dio.
There is definitely no logic there! :lol
This! The DVD doesn't do this tour justice..I felt that Neil was amazing on the R40 tour. He summoned whatever he had left and nailed it, similar to the last H&H tour with Dio.
That's my view of the Clockwork Angels tour.
The only time they nailed it on a night to night basis on R40 was the last three weeks of the tour. Unfortunately, the DVD night wasn't one of them.
Yeah, I'm not following the logic behind that. :PLogic? You want logic? From me?
I am not sure how this happen, but I kinda like War Paint now. I have long called that one of their five worst songs, but I have come around on it a bit. I did not see that coming. :lol :lol
I remember being disappointed that Presto wasn't played but Scars was.
Yeah 22 years later..lolI am not sure how this happen, but I kinda like War Paint now. I have long called that one of their five worst songs, but I have come around on it a bit. I did not see that coming. :lol :lol
That was one of the very few highlights on the Presto Tour for me. Would have loved to have seen a return live at some point. Still can't believe Presto was never played on that tour, but at least they rectified that mistake.
War Paint is one of Rush's worse songs. And I love the Presto album.
Speaking of Presto, I'm listening to it right now & honestly, I think Available Light might be the best Rush song ever.
Screw you guys. War Paint is AWESOME....
War PaintNeurotica works even better as a non existent track
*sigh*
Well I guess since we're being negative anyway, I'm curious. What's everyone's LEAST favourite Rush album?
For me it'd have to be Roll The Bones, that album just seemed way more one-dimensional than their other work & some of the later tracks are straight-up bad (Heresy, Neurotica). All in all it seems like it was trying to be such a singles-oriented album, but the singles are *at best* on-par with the rest of Rush's 80s & 90s singles (if not slightly below).
That pretty much sums it up.. However, Dreamline is one of my concert favorites with high energy. Especially on the Vapor Trails and R30 tours that song was smokin good, and the lasers too...*sigh*
Well I guess since we're being negative anyway, I'm curious. What's everyone's LEAST favourite Rush album?
For me it'd have to be Roll The Bones, that album just seemed way more one-dimensional than their other work & some of the later tracks are straight-up bad (Heresy, Neurotica). All in all it seems like it was trying to be such a singles-oriented album, but the singles are *at best* on-par with the rest of Rush's 80s & 90s singles (if not slightly below).
I agree with all of this. RTB is by far my least favorite album. And I consider Neurotica, Face Up, Heresy, and You Bet Your Life to be the top 4 worst Rush songs ever made....and The Big Wheel isn't much better. The other 5 tracks save it from being a total loss.
The very early stuff is not my cup of tea. The debut would probably be my least favorite. As far as the later ones go,Fixed for me.Test for echoVapor Trails would be at the bottom, but even the less good albums from the 90s and 2000s have their share of truly fantastic songs.
The very early stuff is not my cup of tea. The debut would probably be my least favorite. As far as the later ones go, Test for echo would be at the bottom, but even the less good albums from the 90s and 2000s have their share of truly fantastic songs.
Well I guess since we're being negative anyway, I'm curious. What's everyone's LEAST favourite Rush album?
Test for Echo is easily my least favorite. It's not bad, but there is nothing on it that is great, and it sounds like a band that was desperately in need of some time off (which they ended up getting for all of the wrong reasons). I won't use the term "phoned in," but Test for Echo sounds like a tired band that didn't sound the least bit inspired.
*sigh*
Well I guess since we're being negative anyway, I'm curious. What's everyone's LEAST favourite Rush album?
For me it'd have to be Roll The Bones, that album just seemed way more one-dimensional than their other work & some of the later tracks are straight-up bad (Heresy, Neurotica). All in all it seems like it was trying to be such a singles-oriented album, but the singles are *at best* on-par with the rest of Rush's 80s & 90s singles (if not slightly below).
After that, Snakes & Arrows was bland as all hell except for a couple of songs
After that, Snakes & Arrows was bland as all hell except for a couple of songs
yeah, S&A is the Rush album I rarely if ever feel like listening to. Even live, I didn't care much for those songs outside Far Cry and maybe one or two others.
Test for Echo is easily my least favorite. It's not bad, but there is nothing on it that is great, and it sounds like a band that was desperately in need of some time off (which they ended up getting for all of the wrong reasons). I won't use the term "phoned in," but Test for Echo sounds like a tired band that didn't sound the least bit inspired.
I like T4E, there are a few good songs here and there. It´s the first album where Neil´s drumming didn´t sound jaw dropping to me, although I´ve grown to appreciate what he did in the album later on. But hey, it was the tour that started the "evening with" format, with the greatest setlist ever...
The debut and Caress of Steel are likely the obvious answers for most, and I'd fall into that category as well. Where I'll likely ruffle some feathers is in saying that Signals is next in line for least favorite for me. Not to say it doesn't have its bright spots, as Subdivisions and Losing It are absolutely brilliant and Analog Kid is pretty good as well. But the rest of the album pretty well does absolutely nothing for me. It's the one spot from A Farewell to Kings to Power Windows that ruins a nearly perfect seven-album run for me.
Yes, that also means I really like Grace Under Pressure (sorry, Stadler... ;) ). Funny how we hear/experience the same thing and can have completely different reactions to it.
After that, Snakes & Arrows was bland as all hell except for a couple of songs
yeah, S&A is the Rush album I rarely if ever feel like listening to. Even live, I didn't care much for those songs outside Far Cry and maybe one or two others.
I feel so alone in my adoration of TFE.....which is just compounded by my not getting the often revered Counterparts.
The first 5 songs on that album are (again...to me) one of the greatest opening 5 in their ENTIRE catalog.
I feel so alone in my adoration of TFE.....which is just compounded by my not getting the often revered Counterparts.
The first 5 songs on that album are (again...to me) one of the greatest opening 5 in their ENTIRE catalog.
J Dude, what the f'n f are you smoking? :lol
I love Counterparts and Test for Echo, so there. :)
(Stick it Out is a great song)
Nobody's Hero is a great song but the opening verses are cringeworthy.
Nobody's Hero is a great song but the opening verses are cringeworthy.
*sigh*
Well I guess since we're being negative anyway, I'm curious. What's everyone's LEAST favourite Rush album?
For me it'd have to be Roll The Bones, that album just seemed way more one-dimensional than their other work & some of the later tracks are straight-up bad (Heresy, Neurotica). All in all it seems like it was trying to be such a singles-oriented album, but the singles are *at best* on-par with the rest of Rush's 80s & 90s singles (if not slightly below).
I agree with all of this. RTB is by far my least favorite album. And I consider Neurotica, Face Up, Heresy, and You Bet Your Life to be the top 4 worst Rush songs ever made....and The Big Wheel isn't much better. The other 5 tracks save it from being a total loss.
Not that, I just thought the part where it said "I went to his parties as the straight minority, it never seemed a threat to my masculinity" is a bit cheesy..Nobody's Hero is a great song but the opening verses are cringeworthy.
So Neil writing about a real friend who's sexual orientation was different was cringeworthy?
Also what Kev said. Mostly dudes listened to Rush.
Speaking of the lyrics to Nobody's Hero, I never really got how the chorus was meant to relate to the rest of the song. Like, the verses are pretty clearly about the deaths of people they knew, but the chorus says they're "nobody's hero" & then says a bunch of things they didn't do. What's it meant to mean? That it's odd that we mourn people who aren't heroes? & speaking of which, how is a "glamour girl who'd love to sell her soul" a hero? What's the connection?
:justjen
Personally I can't stand The Pass. I've actually never sat down and examined the lyrics on it as I was too busy skipping the track. ;D
Personally I can't stand The Pass. I've actually never sat down and examined the lyrics on it as I was too busy skipping the track. ;D
It's time for therapy Tim.
Now that Rush is supposedly done, I wonder if Geddy and Alex will do any projects under a different name. I'd almost like to see Geddy Lee in the Yes line-up with Anderson, Rabin, and Wakeman. Imagine the increase in ticket sales. It might even bump them up to larger venues. This is all hypothetical, I really hope Rush has another album in them.
Who knows, maybe they are working on one and that's why everything is so quiet in the Rush camp right now..
Now that Rush is supposedly done, I wonder if Geddy and Alex will do any projects under a different name. I'd almost like to see Geddy Lee in the Yes line-up with Anderson, Rabin, and Wakeman. Imagine the increase in ticket sales. It might even bump them up to larger venues. This is all hypothetical, I really hope Rush has another album in them.
Who knows, maybe they are working on one and that's why everything is so quiet in the Rush camp right now..
They still owe the record company one more album so We still will have one more Rush album.
Now that Rush is supposedly done, I wonder if Geddy and Alex will do any projects under a different name. I'd almost like to see Geddy Lee in the Yes line-up with Anderson, Rabin, and Wakeman. Imagine the increase in ticket sales. It might even bump them up to larger venues. This is all hypothetical, I really hope Rush has another album in them.
Who knows, maybe they are working on one and that's why everything is so quiet in the Rush camp right now..
They still owe the record company one more album so We still will have one more Rush album.
Now that Rush is supposedly done, I wonder if Geddy and Alex will do any projects under a different name. I'd almost like to see Geddy Lee in the Yes line-up with Anderson, Rabin, and Wakeman. Imagine the increase in ticket sales. It might even bump them up to larger venues. This is all hypothetical, I really hope Rush has another album in them.
Who knows, maybe they are working on one and that's why everything is so quiet in the Rush camp right now..
IF Rush decides to do another album it will be covered under their current deal. However I highly doubt at this stage in their career they would have signed anything that would force them to write and record new material against their will.
Can't that be a greatest hits album though or perhaps some bsides stuff?
Just to clarify this nonsense about being on the hook for another record...this is false. A couple of years ago someone from SRO came out and said the band were committed to do another studio record. Committed and obligated are two different things. At the time they had discussed it, but also NP had been dropping hints he was done. Things change, and they did. They agreed the end would come when one of them was through. One of them was. But various websites have taken that comment as a way to hold up hope another record was forthcoming. At present...it's not.
At the moment there isn't even much communication with each other. I had lunch with Ged in Toronto on the 16th with several other people and someone asked him what everyone was up to, and he said he'd not spoken to Neil in a couple months.
Geds writing a book right now, and playing around with some other projects and staying busy. Everyone's learning what retirement from the band looks like for them. What's their new normal? No one is ruling out another Rush project, but it's highly unlikely at this point.
I feel so alone in my adoration of TFE.....which is just compounded by my not getting the often revered Counterparts.
After the extremely bland RTB, they realized that they needed to get their balls back. But CP *to me* just sounded like they were trying WAAAAYYY too hard to be relevant during the grunge movement. Stick It Out *to me* is the most blatant attempt to cash in on what was cool at the time that I've ever heard them be guilty of. Nobody's Hero comes across as hammy, heavy handed and preachy. I do like Cut To the Chase, Alien Shore, and Cold Fire. Everyday Glory is very meh....but it sounds too much like a lame attempt to redo Available Light. Animate is OK I guess.
But TFE sounds more like the guys found their "sweet spot". After trying too hard to prove they were heavy again, they took a step back and made it their own. The first 5 songs on that album are (again...to me) one of the greatest opening 5 in their ENTIRE catalog. The only real klunkers on the entire album are Dog Years and Totem. Also don't get the hate for Virtuality. In spite of the somewhat dated lyrics (which aren't nearly as cringeworthy as some people try to make them out to be) DAT RIFF is seriously one of the GREATEST RIFFS that Alex has ever written. It more than makes up for B-level input from Neil. Other than the two aforementioned tracks, every other song on that album is absolutely 10 on a ten scale. And I say TFE is a top 5 (maybe 6 after Clockwork Angels) Rush album.
The only song on Counterparts which I didn't think matched all the others songs in quality was The Speed Of Love. They talked about the trouble they had writing the song and to me is just felt unfinished.
Just to clarify this nonsense about being on the hook for another record...this is false. A couple of years ago someone from SRO came out and said the band were committed to do another studio record. Committed and obligated are two different things. At the time they had discussed it, but also NP had been dropping hints he was done. Things change, and they did. They agreed the end would come when one of them was through. One of them was. But various websites have taken that comment as a way to hold up hope another record was forthcoming. At present...it's not.
At the moment there isn't even much communication with each other. I had lunch with Ged in Toronto on the 16th with several other people and someone asked him what everyone was up to, and he said he'd not spoken to Neil in a couple months.
Geds writing a book right now, and playing around with some other projects and staying busy. Everyone's learning what retirement from the band looks like for them. What's their new normal? No one is ruling out another Rush project, but it's highly unlikely at this point.
Well I will still wish upon a star Temp. I woyld love to read a book from Alex.
Test For Echo is awesome! I love the song Virtuality, great riffs catchy chorus and the cow bells are nice.. Time and Motion is a nice gem that rarely gets discussed, and I even like Dog Years. C'mon man, it's the season of the itch, sad son of a bitch! 🐶I feel so alone in my adoration of TFE.....which is just compounded by my not getting the often revered Counterparts.
After the extremely bland RTB, they realized that they needed to get their balls back. But CP *to me* just sounded like they were trying WAAAAYYY too hard to be relevant during the grunge movement. Stick It Out *to me* is the most blatant attempt to cash in on what was cool at the time that I've ever heard them be guilty of. Nobody's Hero comes across as hammy, heavy handed and preachy. I do like Cut To the Chase, Alien Shore, and Cold Fire. Everyday Glory is very meh....but it sounds too much like a lame attempt to redo Available Light. Animate is OK I guess.
But TFE sounds more like the guys found their "sweet spot". After trying too hard to prove they were heavy again, they took a step back and made it their own. The first 5 songs on that album are (again...to me) one of the greatest opening 5 in their ENTIRE catalog. The only real klunkers on the entire album are Dog Years and Totem. Also don't get the hate for Virtuality. In spite of the somewhat dated lyrics (which aren't nearly as cringeworthy as some people try to make them out to be) DAT RIFF is seriously one of the GREATEST RIFFS that Alex has ever written. It more than makes up for B-level input from Neil. Other than the two aforementioned tracks, every other song on that album is absolutely 10 on a ten scale. And I say TFE is a top 5 (maybe 6 after Clockwork Angels) Rush album.
I love it too. Don't forget the acoustic guitar. I love that they brought those back for that album. Probably like Leave That Thing alone more than anything on Test For Echo, but that just speaks to greatness of Leve That Thing Alone.
In a vacuum, I get why The Speed of Love is not liked very much, but when you listen to Counterparts from start to finish, it fits in nicely between the splashy rocker Alien Shore and the dark and heavy Double Agent. It provides a little breather and lets you kick back for a few.
Maybe a song with a great groove and an infectious chorus. I've never had the issue with this song, it's always been one of my favorites on Counterparts. My least favorite is The Speed of love, like it is for most people. It might be unconventional, but Animate is also one of my lesser favorites. It kind of goes on forever and I find the chorus too repetitive.In a vacuum, I get why The Speed of Love is not liked very much, but when you listen to Counterparts from start to finish, it fits in nicely between the splashy rocker Alien Shore and the dark and heavy Double Agent. It provides a little breather and lets you kick back for a few.
I agree. If I had to choose a worst song from Counterparts, it'd definitely be Between Sun & Moon. I'm honestly not sure what they were going for with that one.
We're trying to help you man. Concentrate! :chill
Also in regard to counterparts, I love Leave that thing alone
In a vacuum, I get why The Speed of Love is not liked very much, but when you listen to Counterparts from start to finish, it fits in nicely between the splashy rocker Alien Shore and the dark and heavy Double Agent. It provides a little breather and lets you kick back for a few.
I agree. If I had to choose a worst song from Counterparts, it'd definitely be Between Sun & Moon. I'm honestly not sure what they were going for with that one.
It might be unconventional, but Animate is also one of my lesser favorites. It kind of goes on forever and I find the chorus too repetitive.
I love The Who nod in Between Sun & Moon.
Damn. I thought that was common knowledge! I was there in Hartford. A very emotional night.
Took the day off. Went with my brother and best friend. We tailgated and it was a perfect day.
Sounds like nothing but pure speculation.
Just to clarify this nonsense about being on the hook for another record...this is false. A couple of years ago someone from SRO came out and said the band were committed to do another studio record. Committed and obligated are two different things. At the time they had discussed it, but also NP had been dropping hints he was done. Things change, and they did. They agreed the end would come when one of them was through. One of them was. But various websites have taken that comment as a way to hold up hope another record was forthcoming. At present...it's not.
At the moment there isn't even much communication with each other. I had lunch with Ged in Toronto on the 16th with several other people and someone asked him what everyone was up to, and he said he'd not spoken to Neil in a couple months.
Geds writing a book right now, and playing around with some other projects and staying busy. Everyone's learning what retirement from the band looks like for them. What's their new normal? No one is ruling out another Rush project, but it's highly unlikely at this point.
Glad to see the love for Marathon.
For true Rush fans, when you die and your spirit is ascending to Heaven, you hear the outro to Marathon.
:rollin
For those who rejected Rush, they get to hear a little number by AC/DC.
Xanadu
Turn the Page
Ghost Rider
Clockwork Angels
Xanadu
Turn the Page
Ghost Rider
Clockwork Angels
Only these count... I'm guessing you didn't read my post above? :rollin
-Marc.
Just had an idea for discussion, if we can steer away from rumors about the band for a moment. I had an idea earlier today at work:
What's everyone's non-opener/non-closer song from each album? It always seems that the opener is a catchy, very memorable "single" tune, and the closer is often a bombastic, or very epic piece, and because of these things, they're often some fan-favorites! So excluding those two pieces, which song in the middle of an album is your favorite?
I'll have to think on mine for a bit, but I wanted to get the ball rolling on this one. I was thinking of applying this discussion on other band-threads as well!
-Marc.
^^ Go. I'd like to see that list (sincerely; I'm not at all busting your chops here. I'm curious as a Rush fan who is usually a half-step out of touch with the typical Rush fan.)
Well, to be fair, these are early Rush, sans Neil, but you don't like "Working Man"?! I thought most Rush fans loved it! :justjen
Not sure if there is an algorithm for the typical Rush fan. Probably more than a half-step or three myself.
Here it is chronologically...
You Can't Fight It
Working Man
In The Mood
Closer To The Heart (studio version only...live versions are so much better)Only two songs from Phase 2 - again, two songs I thought most fans loved, especially being such great radio hits as well. I did notice you didn't include ANY songs from Phase 3, which I often see as being albums with songs that fans don't all love or enjoy (especially the likes of "Tai Shan"). You mean to say you enjoy "Tai Shan" more than "Limelight" and "Working Man"? :lol
Limelight
Superconductor (Like the Lyrics understand what they were after with the music. It works, but still rubs me the wrong way)These I can understand - if Phase 3 albums had some divisive songs, Phase 4 had them in spades, especially between TFE and RTB, so I'm not surprised to see "Face Up" and "Neurotica" here (I don't care much for them myself), though I do enjoy "The Speed Of Love" and "Carve Away The Stone" is a suitable closer for TFE - not my favorite from that album, but there are far worse. And "Superconductor" is...well..."Superconductor".
Face Up (fits with the album theme but it's the picture of cringe in the dictionary
Neurotica
The Speed Of Love (like the instrumental break though)
Carve Away The Stone
10 most underrated Rush Songs:
https://thezreview.com/2017/09/04/the-10-most-underrated-rush-songs/
I'm putting together my own list after reading that. Good list, but it seems largely focused on the most popular era.
To me, an underrated song is something like Prime Mover.
Well, to be fair, these are early Rush, sans Neil, but you don't like "Working Man"?! I thought most Rush fans loved it! :justjen
Not sure if there is an algorithm for the typical Rush fan. Probably more than a half-step or three away myself.
Here it is chronologically...
You Can't Fight It
Working Man
In The Mood
Closer To The Heart (studio version only...live versions are so much better)
Limelight
Only two songs from Phase 2 - again, two songs I thought most fans loved, especially being such great radio hits as well. I did notice you didn't include ANY songs from Phase 3, which I often see as being albums with songs that fans don't all love or enjoy (especially the likes of "Tai Shan"). You mean to say you enjoy "Tai Shan" more than "Limelight" and "Working Man"? :lol
Superconductor (Like the Lyrics understand what they were after with the music. It works, but still rubs me the wrong way)
Face Up (fits with the album theme but it's the picture of cringe in the dictionary
Neurotica
The Speed Of Love (like the instrumental break though)
Carve Away The Stone
These I can understand - if Phase 3 albums had some divisive songs, Phase 4 had them in spades, especially between TFE and RTB, so I'm not surprised to see "Face Up" and "Neurotica" here (I don't care much for them myself), though I do enjoy "The Speed Of Love" and "Carve Away The Stone" is a suitable closer for TFE - not my favorite from that album, but there are far worse. And "Superconductor" is...well..."Superconductor".
Thanks for sharing that interesting list of yours, it got me thinking about everyone listing their least favorite song from each album here, but I think we may have done that in this thread before.
-Marc.
I guess "underrated" is mostly subjective. To me, if I love a song more than the average Rush fan I would think it underrated, even if it is widely liked.
The Analog Kid
Time Stand Still
Everyday Glory
Are all top 10 Rush songs for me but I dont think most Rush fans would rank them that high.
And I LOVE Anagram but rarely see much praise for it.
I would also throw Scars into the hat of the most underrated songs.I hear the lions hunting in the Serengeti night,
The groove and the atmosphere in the song is just addictive!
I would also throw Scars into the hat of the most underrated songs.I hear the lions hunting in the Serengeti night,
The groove and the atmosphere in the song is just addictive!
I get this feeling.. Chills!
I remember an old Modern Drummer magazine I had that had Neil speak about Scars, I have misplaced it but thank goodness the internet has it.
There's another song on the album, called "Scars." On this song I was playing eight different pads with my hands in a pattern, while I played snare and bass drum parts with my feet. I was using paradiddles with my hands to get the accents in the right place and on the right pads. Then I had to organize the different sounds on the pads correctly so they would fall in the order I wanted them to. Then I had to arrange all of that into a series of rhythmic patterns, not just one. It was more than a day's work before I even played a note.
That was a challenge of a different sort, but it came about in an interesting way. When Geddy and Alex did the demo for the song, they put all kinds of percussion on the track, including congas, timbales, and bongos. We talked about bringing in a percussionist to play in addition to the drum pattern I might play. I wanted to bring in Alex Acuna, someone who is tremendously facile in that area, who could make the track exciting as well as interesting. I figured he could assign me the simple parts and we could do it together. But then they thought, "What if Neil did it all himself using pads?" So it happened as I described, with me playing the percussion parts with my hands and holding down the snare and bass parts with my feet. It was very satisfying to me to come up with a part that worked by myself.
https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/modern-drummer-12.1989.php
All the songs they played from Presto after Alex's guitar started to be more prominent again benefitted from the heavier arrangement: Presto, Show Don't Tell, The Pass...and I think that Scars would have sounded amazing on their last tour.
What's everyone's non-opener/non-closer song from each album? It always seems that the opener is a catchy, very memorable "single" tune, and the closer is often a bombastic, or very epic piece, and because of these things, they're often some fan-favorites! So excluding those two pieces, which song in the middle of an album is your favorite?
To me, an underrated song is something like Prime Mover.
I also think Scars is one of the worst thing the band ever recorded (although it's probably topped -- or bottomed? -- by another song on the same album: Hand Over Fist).
Middletown Dreams for me folks.Great pick!
Middletown Dreams for me folks.
Middletown Dreams for me folks.Great pick!
And yeah, Rush in Rio doesn't sound too good. Neither on the CD nor DVD.
I also think Scars is one of the worst thing the band ever recorded (although it's probably topped -- or bottomed? -- by another song on the same album: Hand Over Fist).
Did you version of Presto come without The Pass? Or War paint?
Middletown Dreams for me folks.Great pick!
And yeah, Rush in Rio doesn't sound too good. Neither on the CD nor DVD.
It was never going to sound good, when you think of the stadium where it was held. I went to many shows there (Rush in Rio included, but also Pearl Jam, Judas Priest, Megadeth, The Police, Guns n Roses...), and while there's an incredible atmosphere, the sound is never 100%.
Middletown Dreams for me folks.Great pick!
And yeah, Rush in Rio doesn't sound too good. Neither on the CD nor DVD.
It was never going to sound good, when you think of the stadium where it was held. I went to many shows there (Rush in Rio included, but also Pearl Jam, Judas Priest, Megadeth, The Police, Guns n Roses...), and while there's an incredible atmosphere, the sound is never 100%.
Never had a problem with the sound of the DVD. Its the CD that's the problem.
That DVD is one of the best DVD's they've ever done. Must have been amazing to witness that.
What's everyone's non-opener/non-closer song from each album? It always seems that the opener is a catchy, very memorable "single" tune, and the closer is often a bombastic, or very epic piece, and because of these things, they're often some fan-favorites! So excluding those two pieces, which song in the middle of an album is your favorite?
Chain lightning is another one of the more obscure Rush songs that I'd add to the list of underrated and forgotten Presto material. What a great album that is.
Despite the issues many, including myself, have had with the sound of Presto, Chain Lightning is one song where the production works strongly in its favor.
Despite the issues many, including myself, have had with the sound of Presto, Chain Lightning is one song where the production works strongly in its favor.
Do you know if there is a Presto re-master? I have the HYF re-master and it sounds fantastic.
Despite the issues many, including myself, have had with the sound of Presto, Chain Lightning is one song where the production works strongly in its favor.
Despite the issues many, including myself, have had with the sound of Presto, Chain Lightning is one song where the production works strongly in its favor.
I'm baffled by how they never played this live. Best song on Presto (well, maybe tied with Available Light - also never played live!). Rush confuses me so much with their setlist choices over the years.
Despite the issues many, including myself, have had with the sound of Presto, Chain Lightning is one song where the production works strongly in its favor.
I'm baffled by how they never played this live. Best song on Presto (well, maybe tied with Available Light - also never played live!). Rush confuses me so much with their setlist choices over the years.
Cut to the Chase baffles me. I think that would be an amazing high energy rocker. Instead they break out How it Is. Which I like by the way.
Cut to the Chase baffles me. I think that would be an amazing high energy rocker. Instead they break out How it Is. Which I like by the way.
It's too bad they didn't start their Evening With shows back in the 80's. I'm just imagining how creative they'd have to get with their setlists with another hour of time.
Despite the issues many, including myself, have had with the sound of Presto, Chain Lightning is one song where the production works strongly in its favor.
Do you know if there is a Presto re-master? I have the HYF re-master and it sounds fantastic.
THURSDAY, OCTOBER 19TH, 2017
A FAREWELL TO KINGS 40TH ANNIVERSARY RELEASE
On December 1, Rush will release a lavish, new and expanded edition of the landmark album A Farewell to Kings — the fifth studio album originally released in 1977, which introduced the radio hit “Closer To The Heart,” album tracks “A Farewell To Kings,” “Madrigal,” “Cinderella Man,” as well as enduring fan favorites with “Xanadu” and “Cygnus X-1.”
A Farewell to Kings—40th Anniversary will be available to fans in four distinct configurations including (1) Super Deluxe Edition, (2) three-CD Deluxe Edition, (3) four-LP Deluxe Edition, and (4) the Deluxe Digital Edition.
Super Deluxe | 4LP | Deluxe 3CD
The Super Deluxe Edition includes three CDs, one Blu-ray Audio disc and four high-quality 180-gram vinyl LPs. The set encompasses the Abbey Road Mastering Studios 2015 remastered edition of the album for the first time on CD; a complete Rush concert recorded in February 1978 at London’s Hammersmith Odeon, newly mixed by longtime Rush engineer and original A Farewell to Kings producer Terry Brown from the multi-track live tapes; four newly-recorded cover versions of songs from the original album by Dream Theater, Big Wreck, The Trews and Alain Johannes; and an instrumental studio outtake of the spacey sound effects the band has creatively titled “Cygnus X-2 Eh.” The Hammersmith show features, for the first-time ever, over 34 minutes of unreleased performances including a complete “2112” suite, “Lakeside Park,” a drum solo and “Closer To The Heart.” The Super Deluxe Edition’s audio content on its CDs is duplicated on its vinyl discs. Meanwhile, the Blu-ray Audio disc contains a brand new 5.1 surround mix of the album by four-time Grammy® nominated surround sound producer Steven Wilson, along with three original 1977 promo videos from a newly found 2-inch quad video master significantly improving the video quality for “Closer To The Heart.” The Super Deluxe package also includes an elaborate new 40th anniversary cover treatment by longtime Rush creative director Hugh Syme, who has also created a new piece of artwork for each of the album’s six songs, and an extensive 12,000-word liner notes by Grammy®-winning rock historian Rob Bowman.
The Super Deluxe Edition of A Farewell to Kings—40th Anniversary will also include several exclusive items, including a unique King’s Ring, with custom velvet pouch and neck chain; two lithographs with original artwork by Hugh Syme; a special 12-inch turntable mat featuring distinctive artwork by Hugh Syme; and a reproduction of Rush’s original 1978 A Farewell To Kings tour program.
A Farewell to Kings—40th Anniversary second configuration will be released in a three-CD Deluxe Edition, with the newly reasserted A Farewell to Kings album, the Hammersmith Odeon show, the four new cover songs, “Cygnus X-2 Eh” outtake, Hugh Syme’s song-specific artwork and Rob Bowman’s liner notes.
The third configuration will be offered as an audiophile 180-gram four-LP Deluxe Edition featuring the same audio content as the three-CD edition with double-gatefold packaging, 32-page vinyl-size booklet, the special 12-inch turntable mat, along with Syme’s artwork and Bowman’s liner notes.
The fourth configuration, the Deluxe Digital Edition, will feature the original album as disc 1, the complete Hammersmith concert unedited as disc 2, and the four covers songs plus the “Cygnus X-2 Eh” outtake as disc 3.
TRACKLISTING
4-LP VINYL
LP 1 – SIDE A
Original Album - Produced by Rush and Terry Brown
A FAREWELL TO KINGS
XANADU
LP 1 – SIDE B
Closer to The Heart
Cinderella Man
Madrigal
Cygnus X-1
LP 2 – SIDE C
Live at Hammersmith Odeon – February 20, 1978
BASTILLE DAY
LAKESIDE PARK*
BY-TOR & THE SNOWDOG
LP 2 – SIDE D
Live at Hammersmith Odeon – February 20, 1978
XANADU
A FAREWELL TO KINGS
SOMETHING FOR NOTHING
LP 3 – SIDE E
Live at Hammersmith Odeon – February 20, 1978
CYGNUS X-1
ANTHEM
CLOSER TO THE HEART*
LP 3 – SIDE F
Live at Hammersmith Odeon – February 20, 1978
2112*
LP 4 – SIDE G
Live at Hammersmith Odeon – February 20, 1978
WORKING MAN
FLY BY NIGHT
IN THE MOOD
DRUM SOLO*
CINDERELLA MAN
LP 4 – SIDE H
XANADU – Dream Theater*
CLOSER TO THE HEART – Big Wreck*
CINDERELLA MAN – The Trews*
MADRIGAL – Alain Johannes*
CYGNUS X-2 EH*
https://www.rush.com/a-farewell-to-kings-40th-anniversary-release/
For anyone looking to pre-order right away! I'm mostly into this for the complete Hammersmith show! I really want the super deluxe set but dropping $159 after shipping is a bit much for me right now. I might have to stick with the 3CD set...*sigh*
-Marc.
https://www.rush.com/a-farewell-to-kings-40th-anniversary-release/
For anyone looking to pre-order right away! I'm mostly into this for the complete Hammersmith show! I really want the super deluxe set but dropping $159 after shipping is a bit much for me right now. I might have to stick with the 3CD set...*sigh*
-Marc.
Ha, I ninja'd someone in this forum for the first time ever :D
So two questions:
- is this the first of "Super Deluxe Versions"? Does that mean there are more to come?
- I want the 5.1 surround mix; am I correct that that only comes in the Super Deluxe version? I don't want, need or use vinyl, so that sucks balls.
https://www.rush.com/a-farewell-to-kings-40th-anniversary-release/
For anyone looking to pre-order right away! I'm mostly into this for the complete Hammersmith show! I really want the super deluxe set but dropping $159 after shipping is a bit much for me right now. I might have to stick with the 3CD set...*sigh*
-Marc.
Ha, I ninja'd someone in this forum for the first time ever :D
I saw your post, I was just adding the link for convenience as you only posted the information. :tip
-Marc.
I wish they would do something like Genesis; three (or four) boxes, each era, all in 5.1 surround. That's really what interests me.
I wish they would do something like Genesis; three (or four) boxes, each era, all in 5.1 surround. That's really what interests me.
Yes, that would be nice. All I want from this is the Blu-Ray with all the content on it. That's it. But I have to pay $160 to get it? I'm sure it's a nice set, and god knows I'll probably end up buying it as it is my favorite album of all time, but these types of cash grabs by Rush in the later years just leaves a really sour taste in my mouth.
Does this mean we get to hear Mangini do Xanadu? Awesome.
Does this mean we get to hear Mangini do Xanadu? Awesome.
I ann actually more excited about that than the actual remaster :D
Does this mean we get to hear Mangini do Xanadu? Awesome.
Oh, Chycki worked on the drum sound? Lovely.
:rollin
Just to add, truly a shame, because Rush's S&A (which Chycki recorded) have one of the greatest drum sounds that I've ever heard IMO.
Just to add, truly a shame, because Rush's S&A (which Chycki recorded) have one of the greatest drum sounds that I've ever heard IMO.
Oh, Chycki worked on the drum sound? Lovely.
:rollin
Maybe this is one more last chance for him, before DT decide if he will be hired to record the next album or not! :lol :lol
Seriously, after seeing JP talk about that he likes the drum sound of I&W (on German documentary), I'm a bit worried if we will have a truly great and organinc drum sound on any DT album again...
I had never seen these little interviews with Alex before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBaWfLReXMM&t= (talking about Power Windows in 1985)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRC_kiBOx7Y (talking about Hold Your Fire in 1987)
https://www.rush.com/a-farewell-to-kings-40th-anniversary-release/
For anyone looking to pre-order right away! I'm mostly into this for the complete Hammersmith show! I really want the super deluxe set but dropping $159 after shipping is a bit much for me right now. I might have to stick with the 3CD set...*sigh*
-Marc.
Geddy is a guest on The Big Interview with Dan Rather 10/24 on AXS.
Story Here (https://bravewords.com/news/rush-frontman-geddy-lee-to-guest-on-the-big-interview-with-dan-rather-tomorrow-video-preview-posted)
Man. I just played Fly By Night twice. Not sure why it didn't click when I bought the CD some years ago but my ass was thoroughly kicked on this one. Chewing on my thoughts right now - still not sure what to make of Rivendell and In The End but the rest is pretty solid. Still no idea what the hell By-Tor is about but it's one of the best here, the title track was always my favorite of Rush's hits, and Anthem and Best I Can rock. Keeping a playlist of my favorites after 2-3 listens of each album for future reference. I like this album a lot, blows the debut out of the water.
When was the last Rush album discussion? Has there been one yet? Does anyone have dibs?
Because I will totally do it. My life is so busy that it might be just one every 2 weeks. (I've done FW and QR over at the MP forum, and once a week is surprisingly taxing. You feel like you barely have time to prepare) That would make the album discussion take over a year, but I would totally be up for it!!!
KevShmev did Rush three years ago, starting in September 2014.
The Discography Discussion Tracker is your friend (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=41524.0)
I'll probably play it again this afternoon/tonight, and tomorrow before I play Caress of Steel (I want to compare and contrast the previous album with the next one). Thankfully my job allows me ample time with my headphones :) Could just be because those two are at the end of the album... The LOTR nerd in me loves Rivendell but it's a bit long for such a mellow piece. I wish By-Tor didn't have that spacey break because it has so much energy. I remember writing it off when I was younger because it just sounded like nonsense to me but I loved hearing it today, I'm actually glad I own a copy of this album now.
I keep looking at the 5 songs on Caress of Steel and my immediate reaction is that of the old guy talking to the dwarf on Family Guy: "Where's the rest of ya?"
I never thought 2112 was particularly "cohesive"....just seeing people saying FoL is incohesive as if 2112 was somehow moreso is weird to me.
2112 *IS* better. But I wouldn't say either one was more "cohesive" than the other. Their most "cohesive" epic IMO is Hemispheres.
That was a spectacular sit-down between Ged and Dan. Highly recommend that any fan seek that out and watch it.
I have to admit that, as a Chicagoan, I geeked out when Ged specifically attributed his love of baseball to watching my Cubbies on WGN while traveling the US.
Little hints of, maybe, an album and tour at some point down the road. He made it pretty clear that it would not be Rush. Says he is constantly writing and laying down riffs and ideas.
Much like Fates Warning though I've been wanting to listen to Rush from the beginning for a long time but finally bit the bullet and started tonight with their debut. I'm looking forward to finally hearing their vast catalogue. There are many, many bands like this (classic, famous, lots of albums) that I need to do this with and I'm glad to start with Rush... maybe I'll become a big fan by the end of this. Either way it's a fun experiment. The debut was fun, I listened to it twice, but it was so long ago that I doubt it's very representative of what Rush actually is. Should get interesting a few albums from now.
I love In The End. Especially the ATWAS version. It's actually one of my all time favorite Rush songs.
I never thought 2112 was particularly "cohesive"....just seeing people saying FoL is incohesive as if 2112 was somehow moreso is weird to me.
2112 *IS* better. But I wouldn't say either one was more "cohesive" than the other. Their most "cohesive" epic IMO is Hemispheres.
They were much better at writing shorter songs, especially later on.
Xanadu is the best pre- Permanent Waves epic IMO. The arrangements are great, and most importantly it's not too long.
2112 has some jarring parts, but as a whole it's great. The Hemispheres epic starts to feel like torture halfway through.
Best Rush epic to me, is easily Natural Science. Followed by Xanadu and Camera Eye. But Rush were never that great with longer songs IMO. They were much better at writing shorter songs, especially later on.
What's Suppers Ready? (I know what it is).OH YOU!! :rollin
Rush is the master of prog short songs. Yes is the master of prog long songs.
Rush is the master of prog short songs. Yes is the master of prog long songs.
Yes and Genesis are the two big prog bands I don't think I'll ever enjoy, sadly. I'd like to at least check out a few of Yes's longer songs but I just can't get into either of them because of the singer and the music just grates on me. At least with Rush I've always been able to find the cool parts to appreciate.
I'm not sure if I could call myself a Rush fan just yet but I've been having a blast listening to their albums. A few years ago I wouldn't have been able to appreciate them but now I'm just happy to enjoy good music and that's what I'm getting. I'm going to take today to play 2112 some more since I didn't give it enough time yesterday, and it looks like Farewell to Kings is next so I can spin that in my car for a while, just like I've been doing with Moving Pictures (a DAMN good album by the way, I'm honestly embarrassed this thing's just been collecting dust on my shelves for many years - it's a remaster though).
I like Rush's longer songs so far. I would actually put Necromancer and The Fountain of Lamneth over 2112 currently - 2112 is neat but the only parts I love are Temples of Syrinx and the guitar part between Discovery and Presentation. I'm playing the songs that aren't the title tracks today because I'm starting to agree with people who say their strength is in the shorter songs, which is not what I've thought Rush was about my whole life :)
I did some searching and you can buy the episode for $2 bucks
https://www.axs.tv/buy-axs-tv-programming-online/buy-the-big-interview-online/
Seems like it's downloadable and in full HD resolution.
Yeah, I don't have AXS. Unless it's available for free on Roku. Need to check that out first.
Yeah, I don't have AXS. Unless it's available for free on Roku. Need to check that out first.
Sorry, goo-goo; I didn't go back and look to see who it was. I don't think it's a subscribed channel, so it may be available in other places.
Your call, of course, but for anyone, I'd advise you to watch ANY of his interviews. I have made it a point to watch every one, whether I like the person or not. There were some people I disliked going in (Aaron Sorkin, Simon Cowell) and I found something to like - or if not "like", then that fleshed out my understanding of that person - from the discussion. Even Sheryl Crowe. The only two that I could barely get through were Jane Lynch (couldn't possibly be more full of herself) and Rascal Flatts (the epitome of what's wrong with the music business today). Some of what you hear is fascinating:
Excellent ones: Neil Young, Alan Alda, Jack White (blown away by that one), Keith Urban (filmed after soundcheck at a show I went to see at Mohegan Sun), Daryl Hall (guy is no bullshit), Carlos Santana (the dude is incomprehensible with the new age jibber jabber), Gregg Allman (his past was amazing to me), Bob Weir (the story of meeting his real father was fascinating). Even the country ones are fascinating.
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Put Moody Blues on my to-listen list, because I can never have too much backlog :biggrin:
I spent 2 days with 2112 and honestly I think I like Caress of Steel more. That might be heresy amongst the Rush fans but that's where I'm at right now.
Whoa. WHOA. Can we talk about Hemispheres now?!
This album RULES. Blows A Farewell to Kings right out the water and is easily my favorite Rush album so far, more than Moving Pictures even because it's just a solid 4 songs with nothing more, they captured magic on this one. Hemispheres (the song) destroys 2112 (the song) and The Trees and La Villa Strangiato had me grinning ear to ear with how cool they were. Circumstances is probably the weak link of the four but it's still really strong and man I just love that title track. I wasn't expecting too much after Cygnus Book 1 but they took that concept and ran with it. Jaw, meet floor.
I'm tempted to say that my work here is done. :)
I'm tempted to say that my work here is done. :)
I do owe you for introducing me to several bands after having a big dry spell with finding new interesting music. Although, when you first told me to listen to Rush, I was very skeptical since I had tried for many years to like them but this was a really good decision, even if I don't like Rush's later stuff (unlikely at this point), I'm grateful for Hemispheres alone, so thank you :)
Hemispheres, one of my top five albums of all time by any band.
I think I've listened to all of Hemispheres 7 or 8 times today... can't stop... so good...
Biggest problem with Hemispheres is the title track.
It is way too long. It recycles a lot of the same ideas that they already did previously, and is just plain boring.
Other songs on Hemispheres are great! They could have written 3 shorter songs in place of Hemispheres, and it would have been a better album
Watching Neil's and Geddy's comments about Hemispheres on Beyond the Lighted Stage, it's no wonder why they went in a different direction with Permanent Waves. And managed to make a much better album.
Hemispheres is an incredible album. So glad you're enjoying it this much.Agreed. My favorite version of La Villa is on the live album Exit Stage Left, Alex's solo in the middle section absolutely rips and slays the studio version! :metal
La Villa is definitely my favorite instrumental. One of those songs that just doesn't feel as long as it is.
Honestly, considering Cygnus X-1 and Hemispheres one song seems goofy to me, especially since a) they don't sound alike really at all (in style, plus the sound of AFTK is pretty different from Hemispheres), and b) they weren't written at the same time.
The music perfectly fits each part of the story, and to me, the “callback” during the soft part of Hemispheres ties the whole thing together beautifully!
A Farewell to Kings isn't connecting with me much. I like Xanadu and Cygnus is weird (in a good way), but Closer to the Heart is still annoying me from hearing it my whole life and the others I don't care for much. After a few listens it's probably my least favorite but maybe it's a grower? I'm more interested in hearing Hemispheres now so I'm going to check that out later today.
Whoa. WHOA. Can we talk about Hemispheres now?!
This album RULES. Blows A Farewell to Kings right out the water and is easily my favorite Rush album so far, more than Moving Pictures even because it's just a solid 4 songs with nothing more, they captured magic on this one. Hemispheres (the song) destroys 2112 (the song) and The Trees and La Villa Strangiato had me grinning ear to ear with how cool they were. Circumstances is probably the weak link of the four but it's still really strong and man I just love that title track. I wasn't expecting too much after Cygnus Book 1 but they took that concept and ran with it. Jaw, meet floor.
Been looking into a box set of as many Rush albums as I can get but I only see collections from 1989-2007, and there are only 2 Sectors box sets available on Rush's website (2 and 3, can't seem to find 1 for some reason, and 3 only seems to go through the 80s). I was hoping there'd be something out there with everything from the debut to at least Snakes and Arrows since they even have skateboard decks and all sorts of other crazy stuff on their website. But I suppose I can just buy everything individually...
The title track is very quickly becoming one of my favorite super long epics ever. La Villa just flies by, in a good way.
I just came back from a friend's house and asked him if I could borrow some Rush, and without mentioning what I've heard or own, he comes out of the back room and lays Hemispheres and Permanent Waves down next to me. I'll be blasting both on the way to DT this Saturday :biggrin: :metal
Hemispheres is an incredible album. So glad you're enjoying it this much.Agreed. My favorite version of La Villa is on the live album Exit Stage Left, Alex's solo in the middle section absolutely rips and slays the studio version! :metal
La Villa is definitely my favorite instrumental. One of those songs that just doesn't feel as long as it is.
The music perfectly fits each part of the story, and to me, the “callback” during the soft part of Hemispheres ties the whole thing together beautifully!
Yes indeed! The transition from The Trees to Xanadu on ESL is just beautifully done, one of my favorite pieces of music ever.Hemispheres is an incredible album. So glad you're enjoying it this much.Agreed. My favorite version of La Villa is on the live album Exit Stage Left, Alex's solo in the middle section absolutely rips and slays the studio version! :metal
La Villa is definitely my favorite instrumental. One of those songs that just doesn't feel as long as it is.
I think so too. Xanadu sounds great on that also.
The title track is very quickly becoming one of my favorite super long epics ever. La Villa just flies by, in a good way.
I just came back from a friend's house and asked him if I could borrow some Rush, and without mentioning what I've heard or own, he comes out of the back room and lays Hemispheres and Permanent Waves down next to me. I'll be blasting both on the way to DT this Saturday :biggrin: :metal
You doing the live albums?
"Look at that guy dancing, he's scary!!"
I can't wait for you to listen to Power Windows. My favorite album of all time.
I can't wait for you to listen to Power Windows. My favorite album of all time.
You've only heard one album in your entire life?
Signals is quite a departure from Moving Pictures but in a good way. Analog Kid being my favorite on the album. Countdown is a fun song about the space shuttle launch! New World Man is the weak link on that album for me, yet it still gets a lot of radio airplay to this day.. Shrugs !
Signals was the first Rush studio album I bought as a new fan. I was so disappointed.
Signals was the first Rush studio album I bought as a new fan. I was so disappointed.
I can see that. Even though I like Signals a lot, the sound is oft-putting. Neither the keys nor the guitars are as high in the mix as they should be, resulting in a weird overall mix. Fortunately, the majority of the songs are great, but when you compare the sound of this record to the albums that came immediately before and after, its issues are glaring.
I did this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuebwfWPebM
I did this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuebwfWPebM
This is like if there was a 3 minute version of Stairway to Heaven.
Ouch. Chopping it up to insert some of the vocal parts into the Prelude was a very bad idea. And when the first vocal comes in, that sounds completely unnatural as the first line of the song, Delete that immediately and try again. :lol :lol :lol :lol
I did this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuebwfWPebM
Ouch. Chopping it up to insert some of the vocal parts into the Prelude was a very bad idea. And when the first vocal comes in, that sounds completely unnatural as the first line of the song, Delete that immediately and try again. :lol :lol :lol :lol
How so? That part of the prelude is where the verse riff starts & I'm pretty sure it even goes into the acoustic section after that too. I guess if you meant that it was a weird spot for the intro to end, I guess I could see that argument, but I disagree. In my opinion, the prelude is already kind of fragmented there with how sudden of a change it is (even in the original version imo), so I don't think it comes off unnaturally or anything. Though of course, that's just my opinion.
Agreed. It's like they went "oh crap, we put 'to be continued' at the end of the lyrics on the last album and now we've got to make this a sequel... oh well, let's just stick this little sample in the middle".The music perfectly fits each part of the story, and to me, the “callback” during the soft part of Hemispheres ties the whole thing together beautifully!
I think that "callback" moment is a superficial tie-in at best, similar to DT reusing the Metropolis intro at the beginning of The Dance of Eternity/end of Home (as a way of calling something Metropolis Part 2).
I love the stretch of Moving Pictures, Signals, Grace Under Pressure, Power Windows and Hold Your Fire. Very underrated in my book.
So I just listened to Grace Under Pressure - first time - while doing yard work. And I thought it was awesome. This electronic era of Rush is more than likely going to be my favorite. That said I can see why a lot of people wouldn't like these so much. There were several times where I snapped out of the fun trance I was in and thought, "Wait, this doesn't even sound like Rush" - mostly when Geddy wasn't singing. But at the same time, I really love this sound, the songs are tight.
As much as I'm enjoying this I'm curious to know if/when they go back to a more traditional rock sound. Not that I'm complaining - this is very tasty music, straight up my alley and not at all what I imagined Rush could sound like.
Everyone has me super hyped now...
Somewhere in New Hampshire Kingshmegland is taking his pants off.
Somewhere in New Hampshire Kingshmegland is taking his pants off.
Already off.....
Power Windows... wow wow WOW. I think Hemispheres may have to step aside. What's the best track here? 3 spins in and I would say Marathon. What a freaking beautiful song. Makes me wish I still had my synths... :hefdaddy
Power Windows... wow wow WOW. I think Hemispheres may have to step aside. What's the best track here? 3 spins in and I would say Marathon. What a freaking beautiful song. Makes me wish I still had my synths... :hefdaddy
Power Windows... wow wow WOW. I think Hemispheres may have to step aside. What's the best track here? 3 spins in and I would say Marathon. What a freaking beautiful song. Makes me wish I still had my synths... :hefdaddy
Power Windows... wow wow WOW. I think Hemispheres may have to step aside. What's the best track here? 3 spins in and I would say Marathon. What a freaking beautiful song. Makes me wish I still had my synths... :hefdaddy
My #1 album of all time. It's such an uplifting number.
I'm always happy to see appreciation for Power windows, it's such a fantastic album. Every song is gorgeous, energetic and moving.
Power Windows... wow wow WOW. I think Hemispheres may have to step aside. What's the best track here? 3 spins in and I would say Marathon. What a freaking beautiful song. Makes me wish I still had my synths... :hefdaddy
My #1 album of all time. It's such an uplifting number.
Huh. I didn't know that, and I'm not sure I would have predicted that.
But even in the last 20 years of their career, they played no less than 6 of the POW tracks over various tours!
Power Windows... wow wow WOW. I think Hemispheres may have to step aside. What's the best track here? 3 spins in and I would say Marathon. What a freaking beautiful song. Makes me wish I still had my synths... :hefdaddy
But even in the last 20 years of their career, they played no less than 6 of the POW tracks over various tours!
7 of 8 actually! ;) Emotion Detector is the only one not to get played in the 21st century.
That was a spectacular sit-down between Ged and Dan. Highly recommend that any fan seek that out and watch it.
I have to admit that, as a Chicagoan, I geeked out when Ged specifically attributed his love of baseball to watching my Cubbies on WGN while traveling the US.
Little hints of, maybe, an album and tour at some point down the road. He made it pretty clear that it would not be Rush. Says he is constantly writing and laying down riffs and ideas.
Interview was OK. Nice to see Ged enjoying life. Wish I could see the raw unedited footage. No surprises for me other than to see Ged get a bit defensive at the end. That usually doesn't happen.
It's great people are liking the interview.
I love Force Ten. I think Hold Your Fire is a great album - I just prefer the other three from that era over it. I really like all of Rush's eras and styles and my favorites change all the time and aren't limited to the the early prog stuff vs the 80s stuff vs the 90s, etc. It's all great. (I gotta say though, Stadler's totally wrong about Grace Under Pressure).
I love Force Ten. I think Hold Your Fire is a great album - I just prefer the other three from that era over it. I really like all of Rush's eras and styles and my favorites change all the time and aren't limited to the the early prog stuff vs the 80s stuff vs the 90s, etc. It's all great. (I gotta say though, Stadler's totally wrong about Grace Under Pressure).
He totally is.
I love Force Ten. I think Hold Your Fire is a great album - I just prefer the other three from that era over it. I really like all of Rush's eras and styles and my favorites change all the time and aren't limited to the the early prog stuff vs the 80s stuff vs the 90s, etc. It's all great. (I gotta say though, Stadler's totally wrong about Grace Under Pressure).
He totally is.
I just talked to him; he's not. :)
That was a spectacular sit-down between Ged and Dan. Highly recommend that any fan seek that out and watch it.
I have to admit that, as a Chicagoan, I geeked out when Ged specifically attributed his love of baseball to watching my Cubbies on WGN while traveling the US.
Little hints of, maybe, an album and tour at some point down the road. He made it pretty clear that it would not be Rush. Says he is constantly writing and laying down riffs and ideas.
Interview was OK. Nice to see Ged enjoying life. Wish I could see the raw unedited footage. No surprises for me other than to see Ged get a bit defensive at the end. That usually doesn't happen.
It's great people are liking the interview.
What do you mean by him getting defensive? I didn't get that from him at all. I took it for him being a little emotional that Rush won't be touring again.
That was a spectacular sit-down between Ged and Dan. Highly recommend that any fan seek that out and watch it.
I have to admit that, as a Chicagoan, I geeked out when Ged specifically attributed his love of baseball to watching my Cubbies on WGN while traveling the US.
Little hints of, maybe, an album and tour at some point down the road. He made it pretty clear that it would not be Rush. Says he is constantly writing and laying down riffs and ideas.
Interview was OK. Nice to see Ged enjoying life. Wish I could see the raw unedited footage. No surprises for me other than to see Ged get a bit defensive at the end. That usually doesn't happen.
It's great people are liking the interview.
What do you mean by him getting defensive? I didn't get that from him at all. I took it for him being a little emotional that Rush won't be touring again.
I didn't at all get "defensive" from him at any point in the interview. He was open, honest, and answered every single question - to the extent that it was HIS to answer (and that's important) - with thought and insight. Look, I get that the impression is "Dan Rather doesn't know dick about Rush", but I would argue that. Rather is a HUGE music fan, and while his tastes run "country", he is very aware of what's going on, plus he has a gaggle of researchers. He - and Geddy - both know he has to ask the future plans question, both for journalistic integrity and to throw a bone to Geddy and let him promote what he needs to promote (in this case, his coffee table book, it seems).
I love Force Ten. I think Hold Your Fire is a great album - I just prefer the other three from that era over it. I really like all of Rush's eras and styles and my favorites change all the time and aren't limited to the the early prog stuff vs the 80s stuff vs the 90s, etc. It's all great. (I gotta say though, Stadler's totally wrong about Grace Under Pressure).
He totally is.
I just talked to him; he's not. :)
Oh, he's finally come around then, eh? Realizes how great it is and therefore is no longer wrong. Good deal. :tup
I love Force Ten. I think Hold Your Fire is a great album - I just prefer the other three from that era over it. I really like all of Rush's eras and styles and my favorites change all the time and aren't limited to the the early prog stuff vs the 80s stuff vs the 90s, etc. It's all great. (I gotta say though, Stadler's totally wrong about Grace Under Pressure).
He totally is.
I just talked to him; he's not. :)
I gotta say, Kattelox, I’m kinda envious of you discovering Rush for the first time. Wish I could get that initial excitement again listening through their catalogue. It’s been fun reading your reactions to each album. :)
It took a long time for me to finally “get” Hold Your Fire, previously viewing it as “Rush lite.” But with repeated listening, it finally hit me. Neil’s lyrics are great, Alex’s texturing guitar work adds a whole other layer, and this album is Geddy’s best for allowing his bass work to shine. I even finally came to appreciate Tai Shan and High Water, though I’d argue the record would be stronger without both of them and just end in Turn the Page. Favorite tracks would be Open Secrets, Prime Mover, and especially Lock and Key (the track that finally got this album to click with me).
Great choice, that three concert box set is awesome!
I actually do think that the studio version of Red Sector A is a bit too stiff, but live it absolutely slays. The bass pedals and electronic drum parts are too integral to the song to be replaced.Indeed! Also, check out the live version of Red Sector A on the Clockwork Angels DVD/blu-ray, it is incredible! Ohh the light show that goes with it is the best one of all,, please go back and check it out.. :tup
That is probably the one Rush song that I always reach for the live version (the A Show of Hands version).
I never bothered to get the CA DVD, I don't think, but the vocals on R40 are unlistenable.
Sometimes I feel like the only Rush fan to actually love Hand Over Fist. I'd rank it as probably my 4th favorite on the album after Chain Lightning, Available Light, and Show Don't Tell. It's got such a cool, laid-back vibe to it.
Signals is quite a departure from Moving Pictures but in a good way. Analog Kid being my favorite on the album. Countdown is a fun song about the space shuttle launch! New World Man is the weak link on that album for me, yet it still gets a lot of radio airplay to this day.. Shrugs !
Alex rolling around on the stage during that intro (The Weapon on Grace Under Pressure Live, for those unaware) and kicking his feet (which you see for like two seconds in the wide stage shot) is one of my favorite Rush live DVD moments ever.
Signals was the first Rush studio album I bought as a new fan. I was so disappointed.
Power Windows... wow wow WOW. I think Hemispheres may have to step aside. What's the best track here? 3 spins in and I would say Marathon. What a freaking beautiful song. Makes me wish I still had my synths... :hefdaddy
I want to say that Geddy and Alex are wrong for hating Tai Shan. It's a good song. Kind of odd in the context of HYF but a good song. I like it...
Perhaps, but he sure wasn't as relaxed as we was during the rest of the interview. Maybe the question sand bagged him.That was a spectacular sit-down between Ged and Dan. Highly recommend that any fan seek that out and watch it.
I have to admit that, as a Chicagoan, I geeked out when Ged specifically attributed his love of baseball to watching my Cubbies on WGN while traveling the US.
Little hints of, maybe, an album and tour at some point down the road. He made it pretty clear that it would not be Rush. Says he is constantly writing and laying down riffs and ideas.
Interview was OK. Nice to see Ged enjoying life. Wish I could see the raw unedited footage. No surprises for me other than to see Ged get a bit defensive at the end. That usually doesn't happen.
It's great people are liking the interview.
What do you mean by him getting defensive? I didn't get that from him at all. I took it for him being a little emotional that Rush won't be touring again.
Signals was the first Rush studio album I bought as a new fan. I was so disappointed.
Apparently Signals did what it was designed to do then. (Be the antithesis of Moving Pictures.)
That was a spectacular sit-down between Ged and Dan. Highly recommend that any fan seek that out and watch it.
I have to admit that, as a Chicagoan, I geeked out when Ged specifically attributed his love of baseball to watching my Cubbies on WGN while traveling the US.
Little hints of, maybe, an album and tour at some point down the road. He made it pretty clear that it would not be Rush. Says he is constantly writing and laying down riffs and ideas.
Interview was OK. Nice to see Ged enjoying life. Wish I could see the raw unedited footage. No surprises for me other than to see Ged get a bit defensive at the end. That usually doesn't happen.
It's great people are liking the interview.
What do you mean by him getting defensive? I didn't get that from him at all. I took it for him being a little emotional that Rush won't be touring again.
I didn't at all get "defensive" from him at any point in the interview. He was open, honest, and answered every single question - to the extent that it was HIS to answer (and that's important) - with thought and insight. Look, I get that the impression is "Dan Rather doesn't know dick about Rush", but I would argue that. Rather is a HUGE music fan, and while his tastes run "country", he is very aware of what's going on, plus he has a gaggle of researchers. He - and Geddy - both know he has to ask the future plans question, both for journalistic integrity and to throw a bone to Geddy and let him promote what he needs to promote (in this case, his coffee table book, it seems).
I want to say that Geddy and Alex are wrong for hating Tai Shan. It's a good song. Kind of odd in the context of HYF but a good song. I like it...
Never had a problem with it either.
Not sure how it would have translated live though. That would be a tough one to pull off.
I'd recommend Replay X3
https://www.amazon.com/Rush-Replay-DVD-Box-Set/dp/B000FDFOX0/ref=sr_1_6?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1510320147&sr=1-6&keywords=Rush
It has the Exit Stage Left DVD, a Grace Under Pressure show, and A Show Of Hands DVD.
New World Man (or Project 3:57 though it's actually 3:42) was the last song written for the album because they didn't think the album was long enough. It's also their highest sharting single.
Random topic change: how annoying are some of those FB pages? A friend sent me an invite for an Alex Lifeson once a few months ago. Was a cool page and seemed to have some cool discussions. However, now it seems like the only goal of the Admins is to get more people on the page and then brag about it. And of course everyone new feels the need to post a status thanking them for the add, so the vast majority of the topics near the top are always "thanks for adding me" statuses and the admins constant "we are at 4,533 members now!"-like statuses. Stupid.
New World Man (or Project 3:57 though it's actually 3:42) was the last song written for the album because they didn't think the album was long enough. It's also their highest sharting single.
Typo, or freudian slip? :lol
New World Man (or Project 3:57 though it's actually 3:42) was the last song written for the album because they didn't think the album was long enough. It's also their highest sharting single.
Typo, or freudian slip? :lol
That's for YOU to decide!
I have always considered Bravado..The Pass Pt.2.
I never liked Presto much. Not sure why. There are some good songs on it but I never play it. I prefer RtB.
Roll the Bones is such a fun, easy listen. Even the few average tunes sound good within the flow of the record.
Roll the Bones is such a fun, easy listen. Even the few average tunes sound good within the flow of the record.
I wish the rest of RtB was as good as Dreamline and Bravado.This! Although I like the title track and the instrumental..
Roll the Bones is such a fun, easy listen. Even the few average tunes sound good within the flow of the record.
Exactly how I feel. I totally dig the upbeat vibe in songs like Face Up, Heresy and You Bet Your Life. Not to mention that Dreamline and Where's My Thing are absolutely boss.
Roll the Bones is such a fun, easy listen. Even the few average tunes sound good within the flow of the record.
So, this is exactly how I've always described Systematic Chaos.
RTB is by far my least favorite Rush album, yet Dreamline translates to one of their best live songs ever!
There is way too much Power Windows on that list.
Hand Over Fist, originally was going to be an instrumental but they loved lyrics by Neil that was unused.
How in the world does New World Man make it, though?? ???
How in the world does New World Man make it, though?? ???
I think New World Man is great. It gets so much hate, but I love the lyrics, and the chorus just sticks with me. For such a "lite" track, it really gets me going.
There is way too much Power Windows on that list.Yeah, but how DARE he leave out Emotion Detector!!! :-\
I want to watch some live Rush concerts... are they all available on DVD these days?
Exit, and Show Of Hands can all be gotten on Amazon for $10-$15 a piece. ReplayX3 and Grace appear to be out of print and going for too much money.
R30 got a complete show release when they put it out on Blu-ray.
Exit, and Show Of Hands can all be gotten on Amazon for $10-$15 a piece. ReplayX3 and Grace appear to be out of print and going for too much money.
R30 got a complete show release when they put it out on Blu-ray.
Grace DVD is used on Amazon for just over $15 with shipping! :biggrin:
Exit, and Show Of Hands can all be gotten on Amazon for $10-$15 a piece. ReplayX3 and Grace appear to be out of print and going for too much money.
R30 got a complete show release when they put it out on Blu-ray.
Grace DVD is used on Amazon for just over $15 with shipping! :biggrin:
Actually, I just remembered to check Rush Backstage Club and they have all 3 for $12 a piece. That's their official store.
https://www.rushbackstage.com/
I have always considered Bravado..The Pass Pt.2.
I forgot to mention this earlier, but I had come up with a unique way to present A Show Of Hands.
The CD and DVD releases are vastly different. The DVD is all from 4/23-24/1988 at the Birmingham NEC. The CD is a mixture of concerts from all over plus 2 songs from the Power Windows tour.
I always preferred the DVD especially due to the the last section from YYZ on down. None of that is on the CD. I used an audio ripper to get the stereo mix from the DVD and then supplemented the order with songs from the CD. What this left me with was a near complete show from the tour. Only Limelight, Lock and Key and Red Lenses are missing. Plus, I got the 2 Power Windows tour songs and alternate recordings of 4 of the other songs.
Everything down to Strangiato/In The Mood is from the Birmingham shows. 3 of the tracks came from the CD. I sequenced them in where they were in the actual set. Everything below that is CD material that is not from the Birmingham shows.
The Big Money (From DVD)
Subdivisions
Marathon (From DVD)
Turn The Page (From DVD)
Prime Mover (From DVD)
Manhattan Project (From DVD)
Closer To The Heart (From DVD)
Red Sector A (From DVD)
Force Ten (From DVD)
Time Stand Still
Distant Early Warning
Mission (From DVD)
Territories (From DVD)
YYZ / The Rhythm Method (From DVD)
The Spirit Of Radio (From DVD)
Tom Sawyer (From DVD)
Overture / The Temples Of Syrinx (From DVD)
La Villa Strangiato / In The Mood (From DVD)
Mystic Rhythms (Bonus) (Meadowlands, NJ)
Witch Hunt (Bonus) (Meadowlands, NJ)
Turn The Page (Bonus) (New Orleans, LA)
Manhattan Project (Bonus) (Phoenix, AZ)
Mission (Bonus) (San Diego, CA)
Force Ten (Bonus) (Phoenix, AZ)
Something fun to do if you have some time.
Just eliminated the dead weight like Time and Motion, Rivendell, Madrigal and I Think I'm Going Bald, and then go from there.
I sat there looking at that post for a good minute wondering, "What do you mean, which PW? PW!"... :lol Power Windows, of course. I think most of Power Windows, over time, is going to be in my top favorite Rush songs list in the long run. I *still* can't get Marathon, Territories, or Manhattan Project out of my head.But don't forget that the other PW has Natural Science. :) And Jacob's Ladder. And Entre Nous... you get the point. :) Ranking Rush albums is just too hard I think. How do you really compare some of these albums that are just so different? My favorites tend to change over time but Marathon and Manhattan Project are definitely always up there.
But Counterparts rules. Animate, Double Agent, Leave That Thing Alone, and Cold Fire are definitely my favorites from this one, these are killer songs with great melodies and lyrics - except Leave That Thing Alone obviously, which is just plain COOL. Love the spoken part of Double Agent, and Cold Fire is just a great song, I really enjoy that one. This album ranks really high for me in their discography so far.Glad to hear you're enjoying it so much. I love Counterparts and always wish they'd played more of it live over the years. On the other hand, they played Leave That Thing Alone a lot, and I never got tired of it.
I'm kind of sad I'm nearing the end of this journey, and I'm cautiously excited about Vapor Trails (the CD at the record store is apparently the original one with the production nobody seems to like, which I'll still buy, but Spotify's is remixed). I only have four albums left, and I'm debating whether or not to add Feedback to that list since I don't know a single song that they cover on that album.
I'm kind of sad I'm nearing the end of this journey, and I'm cautiously excited about Vapor Trails (the CD at the record store is apparently the original one with the production nobody seems to like, which I'll still buy, but Spotify's is remixed). I only have four albums left, and I'm debating whether or not to add Feedback to that list since I don't know a single song that they cover on that album.
Just giving my 2 cents on Vapor Trails. For me personally, the definitive version is Andy Van Dette's 2013 remaster of the album. The thing is, you can only get it on HD Tracks in 96/24. I'm not aware of any other release of that remaster.
I wasn't a big fan of Bottrill's remix. I have it, but when I listen to the album my go-to is the Van Dette remaster.
https://www.hdtracks.com/vapor-trails
Just eliminated the dead weight like Time and Motion, Rivendell, Madrigal and I Think I'm Going Bald, and then go from there.
Just eliminated the dead weight like Time and Motion, Rivendell, Madrigal and I Think I'm Going Bald, and then go from there.
To say Madrigal is crap would suggest that AFTK is not totally perfect. I cannot understand such a thing 😀
But Counterparts rules. Animate, Double Agent, Leave That Thing Alone, and Cold Fire are definitely my favorites from this one, these are killer songs with great melodies and lyrics - except Leave That Thing Alone obviously, which is just plain COOL. Love the spoken part of Double Agent, and Cold Fire is just a great song, I really enjoy that one. This album ranks really high for me in their discography so far.
Just eliminated the dead weight like Time and Motion, Rivendell, Madrigal and I Think I'm Going Bald, and then go from there.
To say Madrigal is crap would suggest that AFTK is not totally perfect. I cannot understand such a thing 😀
I had to hunt for it, but I finally found Andy's comments on his remaster of the original mix of Vapor Trails.
These are the original mixes, but with a much different treatment. For what it is worth........A typical album takes me about 8 hours to master. I spent 4 days on VT, trying to find a way to emphasize the positive, and downplay the negative, with a "car test" every morning on my way in to the studio. I knew this album in particular would receive tremendous scrutiny. Being a musician, growing up on the other side of Niagara Falls from the band, Rush had a huge influence on me. I hope I have done their catalog justice.
Check it out. I hope you will agree that VT sounds much less 'overblown'. I tried to design it to be more open and dynamic.
I'm listening to it now and loving it. I did a quick compare of Freeze with the remix. Couldn't take it. Just don't like what Bottrill did. He removed the balls from album and monkey'd with it too much. I then forgot to change folders and the remix of Secret Touch came on and I was thinking that something didn't sound right. That's because I had the remix playing.
For those that enjoy the album and don't like the remix, I cannot recommend the HD Tracks remaster highly enough.
I would actually say it's my least favorite since A Farewell to Kings.
I would actually say it's my least favorite since A Farewell to Kings.
Implying AFTK is worse than TFE?
I would actually say it's my least favorite since A Farewell to Kings.
Implying AFTK is worse than TFE?
Not necessarily... I haven't heard a bad Rush record, they're all good in their own ways. But... AFTK and TFE left me wanting more, moreso than any other albums - a bit of hesitation about listening to them after the first time. AFTK lacks the fun rocking vibe from all the other 70s albums - even the debut - and Test For Echo sounds like a band that has gotten comfortable, maybe not as many ideas in the well at that time, not sure. Almost like Presto 2, but even less keyboards.
I guess I could understand that. I personally really enjoy both AFTK & TFE, I was just clarifying because a lot of people would consider that a really controversial opinion (since AFTK is usually considered one of their best albums while TFE is considered one of their worst).
Also if I could add to the TFE discussion, I actually felt it was a vast improvement over Bones & Counterparts. Even though a lot of people like them more, I've always felt they were way too gimmicky for their own good & were bogged down by a lot of filler (especially RTB). TFE feels like the best parts of both of those albums with enough influence from the time to make it unique enough but not stick out (lol) like a sore thumb. I also much prefer the production on TFE & I think the title track, Totem, Time & Motion, Virtuality & Carve Away The Stone are all amazing highlights. The only song I don't care for is Dog Years, but even then it's not like I actively dislike it, it's just kind of there, so it doesn't really detract that much from the big picture for me.
I guess I could understand that. I personally really enjoy both AFTK & TFE, I was just clarifying because a lot of people would consider that a really controversial opinion (since AFTK is usually considered one of their best albums while TFE is considered one of their worst).
Also if I could add to the TFE discussion, I actually felt it was a vast improvement over Bones & Counterparts. Even though a lot of people like them more, I've always felt they were way too gimmicky for their own good & were bogged down by a lot of filler (especially RTB). TFE feels like the best parts of both of those albums with enough influence from the time to make it unique enough but not stick out (lol) like a sore thumb. I also much prefer the production on TFE & I think the title track, Totem, Time & Motion, Virtuality & Carve Away The Stone are all amazing highlights. The only song I don't care for is Dog Years, but even then it's not like I actively dislike it, it's just kind of there, so it doesn't really detract that much from the big picture for me.
TFE sounds so 90s to me, both musically and the production. I don't know how to describe it, Dog Years just seems like it's such a 90s song for some strange reason.
What was gimmicky about RTB and Counterparts to you?
What's wrong with fun just for the sake of having fun? Answer: nothing! ;)
I guess I could understand that. I personally really enjoy both AFTK & TFE, I was just clarifying because a lot of people would consider that a really controversial opinion (since AFTK is usually considered one of their best albums while TFE is considered one of their worst).
Also if I could add to the TFE discussion, I actually felt it was a vast improvement over Bones & Counterparts. Even though a lot of people like them more, I've always felt they were way too gimmicky for their own good & were bogged down by a lot of filler (especially RTB). TFE feels like the best parts of both of those albums with enough influence from the time to make it unique enough but not stick out (lol) like a sore thumb. I also much prefer the production on TFE & I think the title track, Totem, Time & Motion, Virtuality & Carve Away The Stone are all amazing highlights. The only song I don't care for is Dog Years, but even then it's not like I actively dislike it, it's just kind of there, so it doesn't really detract that much from the big picture for me.
TFE sounds so 90s to me, both musically and the production. I don't know how to describe it, Dog Years just seems like it's such a 90s song for some strange reason.
What was gimmicky about RTB and Counterparts to you?
I always felt like the grunge influence of Counterparts was really out of place in a Rush album, especially right after the previous few albums. I dunno, I guess it just feels forced to me. Usually I'm not opposed to change, but I feel like Counterparts just does it for the sake of it rather than trying to expand the band's musical horizons. I guess it's more of a gut feeling thing that I can't really explain, but something feels off about it to me.
As with RTB, I always hated how abrasively poppy it was. Songs like Face Up, You Bet Your Life & the verses in The Big Wheel have this overtly fun, uplifting sound to them & again, it's always felt so out of place. Before when Rush went for a more commercial sound, you could still argue that the songs still had a lot of depth & were a lot more musically interesting than they were on the surface (mainly those on Power Windows), but Roll The Bones always felt so hollow, like it was only trying to have fun for the sake of it instead of really wanting to travel in a different direction, which is why it always struck me as gimmicky (especially since when the album isn't desperately trying to have fun it slows to a grinding halt - looking at you, Heresy).
Just have to chime in to say that I love Counterparts from start to finish, and that includes Stick It Out. Maybe the lyrics aren't Neil's best. I don't care. That song rocks. It rocks live too.
No problems with Test from me. It's not one of my favorites, but I like it just the same.
Vapor Trails is a cool album. I like a lot of the music here, but with 13 tracks, it'll take a few more spins. I may take another day with this one because I like it. I did listen to the remixed version on Spotify, but I don't put too much stock in the production just yet because I'm on my phone. But, without knowing the details of what Neil went through (I know the big points of what happened but not much else), I can say that the music on Vapor Trails sounds a lot more inspired than on Test For Echo and that's what matters to me. It has more energy, more passion. Test For Echo sounding like Rush going through the motions, Vapor Trails sounds like they still have more to give. Hard to pick favorites right now but I paid a lot of attention to Neil on this one and really liked his playing. Geddy's voice is really good too, he sounds more energetic than on TFE.
I like New World Man, but it is definitely not a standout by any means.
Hand over Fist is similar in that I like it, but it doesn't stand out at all.
And people can say what they want about Roll the Bones (the album or the song), but Dreamline, Bravado, Where's My Thing and Ghost of a Chance are all great songs. This album appealed, at the time, to a lot of non-diehard fans. Dreamline and Roll the Bones being major rock radio staples that year sure helped.
Bravado blows.
That's not true at all period for the modern instrumentals most Rush fans love that song.
Bravado blows.
Ever hear it live?
Not even going to attempt to come up with a top 50, or top anything. I'm sure I would start to agonize over which songs wouldn't make the cut. :)
"Balls" is certainly not something I'd describe Genesis as having, but that's just me :lol
Test For Echo is... Well, I like Counterparts more. I'll give it a couple more spins before really elaborating, but the first listen hasn't really done much for me. Something is off here. Title track is great though. I often get a seasonal vibe from music I listen to and this album sounds like an early summer album to me. Interesting.
What's wrong with fun just for the sake of having fun? Answer: nothing! ;)
I always thought the alleged grunge element of Counterparts was that: alleged. That album brought back the hard rock. Not a single thing about that album makes me think of grunge.
I like Counterparts and T4E equally. I'm in the minority, but I love Everyday Glory, and Virtuality. Both strong tracks from each record that gets overlooked. Also, Cut To The Chase should have been the rocking radio hit from Counterparts, not Stick it Out..
Agreed.
Test for Echo sounded like a band who needed some time off (and got it for the worst reasons).
Great call on My Favorite Headache! I love that album.
I second that recommendation.
Pussies. ;D
Isn't Virtuality the "net boys net girls" song? How bad is that??
Test for Echo sounded like a band who needed some time off (and got it for the worst reasons).
Never sounded like that to me. I hear song craft.
Isn't Virtuality the "net boys net girls" song? How bad is that??
Pussies. ;D
Great call on My Favorite Headache! I love that album.
I second that recommendation.
If we're going to go there, might as well try Victor too.
But don't expect a guitar slinger record just as Geddy's album isn't a bass record rather than a singer/songwriter album.
Everything after Moving Pictures is anti Rush.
This thread is losing it.I know, half the world hates while the other half loves..
Vapor Trails is a cool album. I like a lot of the music here, but with 13 tracks, it'll take a few more spins. I may take another day with this one because I like it. I did listen to the remixed version on Spotify, but I don't put too much stock in the production just yet because I'm on my phone. But, without knowing the details of what Neil went through (I know the big points of what happened but not much else), I can say that the music on Vapor Trails sounds a lot more inspired than on Test For Echo and that's what matters to me. It has more energy, more passion. Test For Echo sounding like Rush going through the motions, Vapor Trails sounds like they still have more to give. Hard to pick favorites right now but I paid a lot of attention to Neil on this one and really liked his playing. Geddy's voice is really good too, he sounds more energetic than on TFE.If you want to know the details of what Neil went through, I'd recommend reading his book called Ghost Rider. Very well written and a good read, it's a heavy subject about tragedy and overcoming..
A bit off topic, just wanted to ask if anyone likes Anagram (For Mongo) and Red Tide as much as I do? I was searching for old survivor posts and found both were ranked in lower half of Presto :eek
I love Anagram, but there are no anagrams in the lyrics...am I being picky?
A bit off topic, just wanted to ask if anyone likes Anagram (For Mongo) and Red Tide as much as I do? I was searching for old survivor posts and found both were ranked in lower half of Presto :eek
No one said there'd be math!
I love Anagram, but there are no anagrams in the lyrics...am I being picky?
A bit off topic, just wanted to ask if anyone likes Anagram (For Mongo) and Red Tide as much as I do? I was searching for old survivor posts and found both were ranked in lower half of Presto :eek
1a. Between the Wheels
1b. The Enemy Within
3. Kid Gloves
4. Distant Early Warning
5. Red Sector A
6. Afterimage
7. Red Lenses
8. The Body Electric
but I don't know if Firewings will
but I don't know if Firewings will
Who's Firewings? I don't remember seeing anyone by that name post in this thread.
;D
Even though it sounds spectacular, I just cannot get into S&A in any way.
still the song Rush fans overrate the most. The Pass.
I like S&A, but it would benefit from some serious trimming. To this day I don't understand how songs like Good News First and Bravest Face made the cut...Good News First is one of my favorite tracks off S&A. I didn't like the vocal effect at first in the verses but it grew on me. I especially love the change in the song where it sais "some would say they never fear a thing, well I do". That's one of the coolest moments on the record! Also the way the song ends with "the most beautiful words I could ever say". Awesome!
A bit off topic, just wanted to ask if anyone likes Anagram (For Mongo) and Red Tide as much as I do? I was searching for old survivor posts and found both were ranked in lower half of Presto :eek
I really like GUP but it's intense, it makes me feel worn out after listening to it, but not in a bad way.
It's a good read, but Neil sure does love to ramble. :lol
I am not a fan of the vocalists Alex used on the Victor record (except the gal on Start Today, who sounds a lot like Geddy at times), but At the End is a really cool song (featuring Alex on lead vocals, which is an overstatement, since the vocals in that song are like a whispered talk) and the instrumental Strip and Go Naked is pretty great.
Whoa whoa whoa, Far Cry rules though. That chorus is SOLID. Every Rush album seems to have killer first tracks, that's no exception imo.
:lolstill the song Rush fans overrate the most. The Pass.
Kattelox, it's been cool reading your reviews on your crash course with Rush. You added a lot of great content and discussions which has increased this thread by many pages. Great job!
Glad you like Clockwork Angels. Fantastic album, my personal fav track being The Wreckers!
Kattelox, it's been cool reading your reviews on your crash course with Rush. You added a lot of great content and discussions which has increased this thread by many pages. Great job!
Glad you like Clockwork Angels. Fantastic album, my personal fav track being The Wreckers!
I echo this sentiment. It’s been enjoyable reading someone’s first reactions to such a great catalogue with fresh ears.
Kattelox, it's been cool reading your reviews on your crash course with Rush. You added a lot of great content and discussions which has increased this thread by many pages. Great job!
Glad you like Clockwork Angels. Fantastic album, my personal fav track being The Wreckers!
I echo this sentiment. It’s been enjoyable reading someone’s first reactions to such a great catalogue with fresh ears.
Ditto all of this (from both Snow Dog and Architeuthilis :tup :tup
Kattlelox, feel free to keep the thoughts coming as you revisit the albums over the many months. :hat
I was just thinking about that this morning, how there’s the studio albums and the live shows, but I didn’t remember if the documentaries had been mentioned. Beyond the Lighted Stage is indeed excellent. Their other one, Time Stand Still, is also good, detailing their last tour. It’s not quite up to Stage’s level, I think, plus there’s a bit of a foreboding tone of sadness to it, but still worth a watch.
It’s funny. I was listening to Clockwork Angels this morning since this whole discussion has prompted me to revisit the band. Wish Them Well had just finished, and the opening bass line and strings from The Garden started up, and then I suddenly had to stop what I was doing. Like this wave of emotion came over me and I gradually started crying. It was as if the realization hit me that this was it for Rush. The last song I’d hear of their career. Great music always leaves you wanting more. Rush certainly is no exception.
And I don't know how ANYONE can say that "The Garden" isn't the song that Rush fans over-rate the most. For me, I don't even like it the most on the ALBUM.
I think it just comes to the fact that this was it. This may very well be the final original Rush song that we are ever going to hear and that it's lyrics fit the tone of where they are going to go and, naturally, where are they now. It's also a darn good song without the context and Alex did a great guitar solo (and surprisingly it was him that did the piano part before going to the solo).
Best Rush song ever? I wouldn't go that far, but the best song for Rush to call it a career on? Absolutely.
Seven Cities of Gold is just part of the Clockwork Angels concept story. Unrelated to the other.. Btw, SCOG is a great song with awesome riffs
2. "Seven Cities of Gold - 1" - what does the "1" indicate?
2. "Seven Cities of Gold - 1" - what does the "1" indicate?
Where are you getting the "1" from? It's not listed that way on the back of the CD or in the CD booklet.
https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/images/albums/clockwork-angels-back.jpg
https://www.rush.com/albums/clockwork-angels/
If there’s this much confusion with labeling and questions about the “Fear” series, just wait until he owns the CDs and starts asking about the “Gangster of Boats” trilogy. ;)
Nevermind the "-1", how about the Spotify titling of "Snakes And Arrows (135484)"
Blasphemy alert: I'd listen to either Snakes and Arrows OR Vapor Trails just as easily as Clockwork Angels. I don't think it's THAT much better than that which came before, until you get to Test For Echo.
And I don't know how ANYONE can say that "The Garden" isn't the song that Rush fans over-rate the most. For me, I don't even like it the most on the ALBUM.
I watched Beyond The Lighted Stage on Netflix last night. What a great doc. Bunch of nerds. :)
I loved all the stories from back in the day and especially the one about Rush touring with KISS. I actually understand Neil Peart now (at least I think I do) and why he is how he is when it comes to interacting with fans. Really cool to see them having fun before shows all the way to the end, and how each album seemed to get at least a little mention. The information around Hemispheres and why they changed course was really fascinating to me. Hemi is my second favorite album of theirs but I can totally see why they'd want to have avoided going further down that road and took a hard left at Permanent Waves. And Geddy makes me want to play bass.
I was just thinking about that this morning, how there’s the studio albums and the live shows, but I didn’t remember if the documentaries had been mentioned. Beyond the Lighted Stage is indeed excellent. Their other one, Time Stand Still, is also good, detailing their last tour. It’s not quite up to Stage’s level, I think, plus there’s a bit of a foreboding tone of sadness to it, but still worth a watch.
It’s funny. I was listening to Clockwork Angels this morning since this whole discussion has prompted me to revisit the band. Wish Them Well had just finished, and the opening bass line and strings from The Garden started up, and then I suddenly had to stop what I was doing. Like this wave of emotion came over me and I gradually started crying. It was as if the realization hit me that this was it for Rush. The last song I’d hear of their career. Great music always leaves you wanting more. Rush certainly is no exception.
And I don't know how ANYONE can say that "The Garden" isn't the song that Rush fans over-rate the most. For me, I don't even like it the most on the ALBUM.
This x1000
Starting with Roll the Bones, each of Rush's albums had 2-4 songs that probably didn't deserve to make the cut, and The Garden shows up at the end of an album that had me asking "are we there yet?" several minutes earlier. I barely paid any attention to it at first but then saw folks at the Portnoy forum gooing about it, with some folks saying it was the best Rush song ever. So I went back and listened to it again and thought "what's the big deal?" It's fine but does nothing for me. If the comments I've read are indicative of Rush fans as a whole, it's definitely the most overrated song. By far.
someone is already trying to sell the "Closer to the Heart" 7-inch (for sale on Black Friday Record Store Day) for $58, LOL.
https://www.ebay.com/i/162759056971?chn=ps&dispctrl=1
You want blasphemy? I'd put Vapor Trails, Snakes and Arrows and Clockwork Angels up against any other three albums in the catalog.
There is no blasphemy for liking any Rush album! :angel:
There is no blasphemy for liking any Rush album! :angel:
True.
Now, someone liking songs like Time and Motion and Rivendell is another story...:P
Agreed, Rivendell is a relaxing melodic song. Alex's acoustic guitar work is sweet!
Time and Motion is very underrated, It's like the Seven Cities of Gold of Test For Echo..😎
An even better song is Double Agent. Been stuck on my brain for almost a week now. The 'wilderness' part is the best.
I think Tai Shan is a great song, provided I'm in the mood for it. It's like the Rivendell of HYF. It just doesn't fit the right mood for just about any Rush album, so it just seems wrong. But if you take it on its own, that song really transports me to China, and I love it. I don't know if I"ve ever seen anyone else say anything positive about it.
An even better song is Double Agent. Been stuck on my brain for almost a week now. The 'wilderness' part is the best.
It was fun seeing them play it live!
:metal :metal :metalAn even better song is Double Agent. Been stuck on my brain for almost a week now. The 'wilderness' part is the best.
It was fun seeing them play it live!
:metal :metal
:metal :metal :metal :metal:metal :metal :metalAn even better song is Double Agent. Been stuck on my brain for almost a week now. The 'wilderness' part is the best.
It was fun seeing them play it live!
:metal :metal
Yes it was. Only thing that could've made it better was if Geddy would've done the actual spoken word parts instead of using a tape for them.An even better song is Double Agent. Been stuck on my brain for almost a week now. The 'wilderness' part is the best.
It was fun seeing them play it live!
Or Alex doing them. ;D
:metal :metal :metal :metal:metal :metal :metalAn even better song is Double Agent. Been stuck on my brain for almost a week now. The 'wilderness' part is the best.
It was fun seeing them play it live!
:metal :metal
:metal :metal :metal :metal :metal:metal :metal :metal :metal:metal :metal :metalAn even better song is Double Agent. Been stuck on my brain for almost a week now. The 'wilderness' part is the best.
It was fun seeing them play it live!
:metal :metal
Better start throwing stones. I . . . think Time and Motion is in my top 10 songs from the 90's.
My least favorite Rush song is. . . .
Just in the interest of discussion, "Prime Mover" (pg1067) and "Losing It" (Kattoelox) are both in my top 10 or 15 Rush songs ever. :)
Clockwork Angels: Mom, not played it enough but I enjoy it all when I do
Clockwork Angels: Mom, not played it enough but I enjoy it all when I do
Pretty sure my Mom has not played it enough either.
;D
Clockwork Angels: Mom, not played it enough but I enjoy it all when I do
Pretty sure my Mom has not played it enough either.
;D
She told me she didn’t rate it when I was round ther3 the other night 😜
That's funny. I think Losing It and Countdown are the only underwhelming songs on Signals (not bad, just underwhelming) - everything else? Gold, Jerry.:rollin. Ok Banya!
Least favorite songs per album? Okay, I’ll play..
Rush - Need Some Love
Fly By Night - Rivendell
Caress of Steel - I Think I’m Going Bald
2112 - The Twilight Zone
A Farewell to Kings - Madrigal
Hemispheres - The Trees
Permanent Waves - Different Strings
Moving Pictures - Tom Sawyer
Signals - Chemistry
Grace Under Pressure - The Body Wlectric
Power Windows - Mystic Rhythms
Hold Your Fire - Tai Shan
Presto - Superconductor
Roll the Bones - Heresy
Counterparts - The Speed of Love
Test For Echo - Carve Away The Stone
Vapor Trails - Out of the Cradle
Snakes and Arrows - The Way the Wind Blows
Clockwork Angels - BU2B2 (which is more of a segue than a song. Seven Cities of Gold takes this spot otherwise)
And Kattoelox is on my shit list for putting down Freewill, Between the Wheels, and Losing It. Some of my favorite Rush songs ever...
;)
Freewill is the most annoying Rush song. I strongly dislike the bounciness of the guitar and vocal parts. Spirit of Radio is sooo much better. :biggrin:
Freewill is all kinds of awesome live.This! The Exit Stage Left version rocks, and on the Time Machine blu-ray Alex rips the solo, Geddy nails the vocals and bass lines, and Neil goes superhuman on us... :metal :metal :metal
. . .
A Farewell To Kings: Madrigal (Cinderella Man is close)
. . .
Signals: Losing It
. . .
Vapor Trails: Earthshine (or Freeze, unsure on this)
Snakes And Arrows: Armor and Sword
. . .
Clockwork Angels: Mom, not played it enough but I enjoy it all when I do
Pretty sure my Mom has not played it enough either.
;D
Freewill is all kinds of awesome live.This! The Exit Stage Left version rocks, and on the Time Machine blu-ray Alex rips the solo, Geddy nails the vocals and bass lines, and Neil goes superhuman on us... :metal :metal :metal
. . .
A Farewell To Kings: Madrigal (Cinderella Man is close)
. . .
Signals: Losing It
. . .
Vapor Trails: Earthshine (or Freeze, unsure on this)
Snakes And Arrows: Armor and Sword
. . .
More (good natured) rebuttal:
:omg: BLASPHEMY!!! Cinderella Man is such a great song and so often overlooked. The chords Alex plays are so nuanced, and the way that the three of them play their various parts around each other is just amazing. Of course, AFTK is one of those albums without a bad note on it (although I could probably live happily without hearing Closer to the Heart again -- even though I like the song, I've heard it enough).
I've always loved Losing It. I was going to say it was so very different from anything they'd done to that point, but it's actually reminiscent of Tears and Madrigal. Seeing Rush play this song live at the last show on the R40 tour was one of THE highlights of my concert going life.
I would say that Earthshine and Armor and Sword are my favorite song on those two albums.
Favorite songs? Impossible.Limelight? Working Man? Crossroads? ??? Wow man! Lol
Least favorite? Easy.
You Can't Fight It
Need Some Love
Working Man
Fly By Night
Limelight
Superconductor
Face Up
The Speed Of Love
Carve Away The Stone
Crossroads (Clapton cover)
Favorite songs? Impossible.Limelight? Working Man? Crossroads? ??? Wow man! Lol
Least favorite? Easy.
You Can't Fight It
Need Some Love
Working Man
Fly By Night
Limelight
Superconductor
Face Up
The Speed Of Love
Carve Away The Stone
Crossroads (Clapton cover)
Seeing Something For Nothing and The Camera Eye on these lists makes my spleen hurt.
Seeing Something For Nothing and The Camera Eye on these lists makes my spleen hurt.
Consider the albums they are coming from.
That being said, SFN was a favorite of mine from 2112 when I first heard the album, but time hasn't been kind to it. It's a bit too repetitive for long term repeated listens.
Favorites per album for me:
By the way, the only reason Superconductor isn't the worst song on Presto is because Scars and Hand Over Fist exist. Superconductor could've been good; the main 7/4 riff isn't bad; but the prechorus and chorus with that "other" voice that says/sings "superconductor" are just embarrassing.
By the way, the only reason Superconductor isn't the worst song on Presto is because Scars and Hand Over Fist exist. Superconductor could've been good; the main 7/4 riff isn't bad; but the prechorus and chorus with that "other" voice that says/sings "superconductor" are just embarrassing.
Probably the coolest part of the song. I like that it's something different. Then again, I think "Presto" is one of their best albums, so there's that.
That's a funny way to spell Power Windows :biggrin:
Power Windows has 2 high points?
The pads that back the chorus to Marathon have actually made me choke up a bit because of how it elevates the song to a higher level, especially as Geddy's vocals rise higher with each repeat.
Power Windows has 2 high points?
Yes.
1. It sure smelled nice when it was brand new
2. The last song finally ends
By the way, the only reason Superconductor isn't the worst song on Presto is because Scars and Hand Over Fist exist. Superconductor could've been good; the main 7/4 riff isn't bad; but the prechorus and chorus with that "other" voice that says/sings "superconductor" are just embarrassing.
Probably the coolest part of the song. I like that it's something different. Then again, I think "Presto" is one of their best albums, so there's that.
I think Presto is their best album released between 1983 and 2001. ;D
Power Windows has 2 high points?
Yes.
1. It sure smelled nice when it was brand new
2. The last song finally ends
Kev, you can't blame TAC. He still has iron on concert T-shirts.
I'm not sure if that is better or worse :biggrin:Kev, you can't blame TAC. He still has iron on concert T-shirts.
Um no...I still have pictures of them. ;D
Kev, you can't blame TAC. He still has iron on concert T-shirts.
Um no...I still have pictures of them. ;D
I am listening to DTs Xanadu version RIGHT NOW AND MMs SOUND IS AMAZING!!! FINALLY! I hope JPs eyes are opened now how great they can sound with a good drum sound and that they use a sound like this on their new album...
Here you can also hear the huge influence of Rush on DT. If I didn't know this song inside out it could also be a DT song from the mid-90s.
I am listening to DTs Xanadu version RIGHT NOW AND MMs SOUND IS AMAZING!!! FINALLY! I hope JPs eyes are opened now how great they can sound with a good drum sound and that they use a sound like this on their new album...
Here you can also hear the huge influence of Rush on DT. If I didn't know this song inside out it could also be a DT song from the mid-90s.
Without breaking in forum rules, can you tell me how you are hearing this?
I'm not sure if that is better or worse :biggrin:Kev, you can't blame TAC. He still has iron on concert T-shirts.
Um no...I still have pictures of them. ;D
On the Power Windows debate, I'm with Firewings completely. There isn't a single bad note on that album. Whereas Presto has Superconductor right in the middle just to ruin your whole listening experience. It's probably the worst song Rush has ever written.
I am listening to DTs Xanadu version RIGHT NOW AND MMs SOUND IS AMAZING!!! FINALLY! I hope JPs eyes are opened now how great they can sound with a good drum sound and that they use a sound like this on their new album...
Here you can also hear the huge influence of Rush on DT. If I didn't know this song inside out it could also be a DT song from the mid-90s.
Without breaking in forum rules, can you tell me how you are hearing this?
The album is out today?
I'm not sure if that is better or worse :biggrin:Kev, you can't blame TAC. He still has iron on concert T-shirts.
Um no...I still have pictures of them. ;D
On the Power Windows debate, I'm with Firewings completely. There isn't a single bad note on that album. Whereas Presto has Superconductor right in the middle just to ruin your whole listening experience. It's probably the worst song Rush has ever written.
Just as conversation, couldn't disagree with that more. There are at least three duds on Power Windows (though the highs are so high it's still one of my favorite albums by the band) and other than perhaps the chorus to Chain Lightning, Presto is almost perfect, with Superconductor being one of the three or four best on the record. LOVE that record. Then again, I'm the guy that thinks that p/g is a massive misfire by the band, so...
Where did you order from?
I got the Super Deluxe as well and the packaging could not have been better. I ordered from Amazon and got it for $97. I opened the box and in the box was another well sealed box. In that tightly wrapped box was the Super Deluxe. There was not a thing out of place and was absolutely perfect. I was pleasantly surprised by the whole thing.
It is a heck of a set as well. I thought the 2112 Super Deluxe was nice. This is even nicer.
So Friday the new Rush box set arrived like this:
(https://www.wpapu.com/images/AFTK01.jpg)
So Friday the new Rush box set arrived like this:
(https://www.wpapu.com/images/AFTK01.jpg)
Holy Shit! Is that literally a disc and a booklet taped into a huge box, and nothing else? How does that even happen?
That double sided tape at the bottom is to hold foam in place, which has cutouts for the CDs and necklace, so that the vinyl and big stuff can sit on top. Somehow that sleeve and disc got under the foam and stuck to the tape.
It's the best sounding A Farewell To Kings CD I own, beating the original atomic, the '97 remaster and the Sector remaster.
I would just like to say that the live version of "Xanadu" from Exit Stage Left is fucking mind-blowing. The ending is pure bliss. Most times you can get away with just one guitar even if the studio version has both lead and rhythm guitars, if you're good; it also helps if the music was basically written that way. But there's some times when you just have to have the lead guitar wailing with power chords behind it. The ending of Xanadu, with both of them on the double-necks, both playing pedals, and Neil sounding like at least two or three guys anyway, it's like there's six or seven of them up there, but no, it's just Rush. Still my favorite power trio, probably always will be.
:metal :metal :metal
I would just like to say that the live version of "Xanadu" from Exit Stage Left is fucking mind-blowing. The ending is pure bliss. Most times you can get away with just one guitar even if the studio version has both lead and rhythm guitars, if you're good; it also helps if the music was basically written that way. But there's some times when you just have to have the lead guitar wailing with power chords behind it. The ending of Xanadu, with both of them on the double-necks, both playing pedals, and Neil sounding like at least two or three guys anyway, it's like there's six or seven of them up there, but no, it's just Rush. Still my favorite power trio, probably always will be."Best post of the year, in this thread"!!! :metal
:metal :metal :metal
I was sure I heard a second guitar in there on ESL, and there are lots of pictures from that era with both of them on doublenecks, so I always assumed that that was the spot. But you're right; Google can't find me any pictures with both of them on six-strings at the same time. Geddy's doubleneck is a bass on top and a guitar below, right? I always figured that that's where he went to it.
(https://imgur.com/vEzYgKW.jpg)
So I listened to the end of Xanadu again, and it does sound more like Geddy is playing bass but some serious keyboards at the same time. Very big, very full sound behind Alex's wailing guitar, so I guess in my head there had to be a rhythm guitar in there. Geddy had a set of Taurus pedals but I thought this was before he had "real" keyboards on stage. To play chords like that, he'd have to have the pedals triggering something modular or programmable. The Oberheim would do the trick, but I didn't think he had that until later.
I haven't seen ESL the video in a while. I don't currently have a copy. :(
So... Geddy really is playing guitar behind the solo, and I'm not imagining? I guess that's what I'm concerned about. I hate being wrong.
Nerds.
ytserush, what do you know about the specs on the Sector box sets, specifically the 5.1 mixes on DVD? I bought Sector 2 and Sector 3 boxes, and while the "AFTK" and "Signals" 5.1 mixes are amazing, I don't know what I'm really dealing with, and don't know that I am getting the most out of them.
My setup is such that my DVD/CD player will decode the disks, but so will my receiver. So technically, I can listen to any of the Rush disks (any disk, really) in "5.1", as the receiver will "explode" the 2-channel signal into 3/2.1. With most of my other 5.1 disks (Genesis, Crimson) I can select on the disk what I want the output to be and it will send the signal already in 5.1. This is important since that means I am getting the mix/5.1 signal that the band wanted me to, not an approximation from the receiver's codec.
LOng story short, I can't seem to figure out what the Rush signal is supposed to be. In the DVD menu it says "Surround Sound" and "Stereo" selections, but it doesn't seem to make a difference which one I pick (unless the sonic differences are just not that big, which is a possibility).
It's the best sounding A Farewell To Kings CD I own, beating the original atomic, the '97 remaster and the Sector remaster.
These Abbey Road remasters are the essential ones for me. I owned the original discs and the '97 remasters. Ever since I got the Rush Rediscovered 40th release of the first album on vinyl, I have been on a mission with these Abbey Road masters. I could not believe how good that album sounded. 2112 was the first CD release of an Abbey Road master as they were all originally done for just vinyl and the HD Audio releases.
Since then I have bought the HD Audio releases of Rush, Fly By Night, and Caress. I now have 2112 and Farewell on CD. I'm waiting to see what happens next before buying the other albums in HD. Assuming a Hemispheres 40th next.
In my opinion, these Abbey Road masters will be it. I see no way they can improve them or a reason to buy a 4th time (famous last words).
Nerds. I say with deep admiration. :)
Watched the Time Stand Still documentary over the weekend. I was struck by the dedication, hard work and horrible travel conditions they endured early on, even after they were producing some great music. All that talent and they were still travelling in a station wagon and taking turns sleeping on the equipment.
And that ovation at the RnR Hall of fame dinner. Simply beautiful!!
Watched the Time Stand Still documentary over the weekend. I was struck by the dedication, hard work and horrible travel conditions they endured early on, even after they were producing some great music. All that talent and they were still travelling in a station wagon and taking turns sleeping on the equipment.
And that ovation at the RnR Hall of fame dinner. Simply beautiful!!
Watched the Time Stand Still documentary over the weekend. I was struck by the dedication, hard work and horrible travel conditions they endured early on, even after they were producing some great music. All that talent and they were still travelling in a station wagon and taking turns sleeping on the equipment.
And that ovation at the RnR Hall of fame dinner. Simply beautiful!!
I don't rewatch the whole thing all that much (Beyond The Lighted Stage was way better although it's kind of apples and oranges) because I don't think it was well thought out but I do keep watching three or four scenes.
That induction ceremony was one of them.
Spectacularly Majestic!
Watched the Time Stand Still documentary over the weekend. I was struck by the dedication, hard work and horrible travel conditions they endured early on, even after they were producing some great music. All that talent and they were still travelling in a station wagon and taking turns sleeping on the equipment.
And that ovation at the RnR Hall of fame dinner. Simply beautiful!!
I don't rewatch the whole thing all that much (Beyond The Lighted Stage was way better although it's kind of apples and oranges) because I don't think it was well thought out but I do keep watching three or four scenes.
That induction ceremony was one of them.
Spectacularly Majestic!
Absolutely. It was emotional the first time I saw the ceremony, and it still is. That reaction was so amazing. I never really cared whether they were inducted or not, but seeing and hearing that reaction from both fans and fellow musicians was just incredible.
RUSH Guitarist ALEX LIFESON: 'We Have No Plans To Tour Or Record Any More. We're Basically Done'
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rush-guitarist-alex-lifeson-we-have-no-plans-to-tour-or-record-any-more-were-basically-done/
I'm not too upset. Saw them twice and they had an excellent run.
RUSH Guitarist ALEX LIFESON: 'We Have No Plans To Tour Or Record Any More. We're Basically Done'
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rush-guitarist-alex-lifeson-we-have-no-plans-to-tour-or-record-any-more-were-basically-done/
RUSH Guitarist ALEX LIFESON: 'We Have No Plans To Tour Or Record Any More. We're Basically Done'
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rush-guitarist-alex-lifeson-we-have-no-plans-to-tour-or-record-any-more-were-basically-done/
Nothing new here. We've known for nearly three years that Neil is basically done as a professional musician. Both Geddy and Alex have been and will be continuing their careers as musicians. Geddy and Alex may or may not work together. If they do so without Neil, it won't be under the "Rush" name. The theoretical possibility exists that Rush might do something in the studio or a "one off" performance at some point, but anyone who is counting on that happening is just deluding him/herself.
It's about time Ged tours on My Favorite Headache. Maybe even put out a follow-up. I'd be into that.
I made peace that my final show was the Clockwork show in Milwaukee. $$ issues cost me a chance to see the final tour.
It's about time Ged tours on My Favorite Headache. Maybe even put out a follow-up. I'd be into that.
I made peace that my final show was the Clockwork show in Milwaukee. $$ issues cost me a chance to see the final tour.
I still listen to My Favourite Headache from time to time. It got even better over time!!! I wouldn´t mind if Geddy toured it and released part II.
I'd love to see Alex jump on a G3 tour.
RUSH Guitarist ALEX LIFESON: 'We Have No Plans To Tour Or Record Any More. We're Basically Done'
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rush-guitarist-alex-lifeson-we-have-no-plans-to-tour-or-record-any-more-were-basically-done/
Nothing new here. We've known for nearly three years that Neil is basically done as a professional musician. Both Geddy and Alex have been and will be continuing their careers as musicians. Geddy and Alex may or may not work together. If they do so without Neil, it won't be under the "Rush" name. The theoretical possibility exists that Rush might do something in the studio or a "one off" performance at some point, but anyone who is counting on that happening is just deluding him/herself.
It's about time Ged tours on My Favorite Headache. Maybe even put out a follow-up. I'd be into that.
I made peace that my final show was the Clockwork show in Milwaukee. $$ issues cost me a chance to see the final tour.
Although Rush already had an album at the time, the replacement of John Rutsey happenned in the really formative years of the band. The band only developed its true and strong identity with Neil in the band. This seems the thought of the band and almost the entire fan base, I believe. And this happened so long ago, so I guess it's okay the band and us to leave this out of the statistics.
Somewhere in an alternate universe, it is the late 70s and some bookworm is nerding out to this awesome book called Cygnus X-1 by this new author called Peil Neart.
Somewhere in an alternate universe, it is the late 70s and some bookworm is nerding out to this awesome book called Cygnus X-1 by this new author called Peil Neart.
It's pronounced Nert.
Especially if it was Satch, Lifeson, and Petrucci!I'd love to see Alex jump on a G3 tour.
I would go see that in a heartbeat
Somewhere in an alternate universe, it is the late 70s and some bookworm is nerding out to this awesome book called Cygnus X-1 by this new author called Peil Neart.
It's pronounced Nert.
:rollin
Actually "Neert".
I do. I mean, he does. :)
https://thehardtimes.net/music/neil-peart-treats-big-shiny-drum/
:lol
https://thehardtimes.net/music/neil-peart-treats-big-shiny-drum/
:lol
That was awesome..."He's like a crow". :lol
https://thehardtimes.net/music/neil-peart-treats-big-shiny-drum/
:lol
That was awesome..."He's like a crow". :lol
I was more amused by the story about Geddy Lee crashing his giant owl into the CN Tower.
Onto real things. I FINALLY got to watch Dan Rather's interview with Geddy. What a fantastic job Dan did, and Geddy is so ingratiating -- to say nothing of being a good sport in having to cover some of the subjects for the umpteen dozenth time. When it got to the end and Geddy was talking about all of the things he's doing to occupy his time, I felt sad but, at the same time, so very happy for a person I don't personally know.
I also saw a little article about Neil becoming one of very few people to visit all of California's Channel Islands, and one of the comments was some idiot whining about how Neil can go island hopping but can't be bothered to play the drums. It just baffles me how some folks feel like Neil and Geddy (and musical artists in general) owe them something.
Some people seem personally offended that the band is over and feel the need to blame Neil.
I don't know why these people can't see it as, "As much as we will miss them, we were really glad and blessed that a band like Rush came into our lives in the first place."
Neil has earned it. He gave 40+ years of his life to the craft, and was widely recognized as one of the best if not the best. If he wants to retire and ride his motorcycle and/or write books and/or just chill with his family for the rest of his life, that's fine with me. Sure, I'd love to hear more from him and from Rush, but if it's not gonna happen, it's not gonna happen.
Neil has earned it. He gave 40+ years of his life to the craft, and was widely recognized as one of the best if not the best. If he wants to retire and ride his motorcycle and/or write books and/or just chill with his family for the rest of his life, that's fine with me. Sure, I'd love to hear more from him and from Rush, but if it's not gonna happen, it's not gonna happen.I totally agree with it and I think the bolded part above is the only and the real motive for Neil to not want to continue with Rush anymore. Although it has been said that he is having physical issues (and I believe they really exist at least, at some extent), I guess this is kind of Neil giving some "acceptable justifying" for the Rush fans for his retirement. From what I recall (and if I understood right, my english isn't very good ;)), if you saw the "Time Stand Still" docummentary, at some point, the guy who was the Neil's partner in his motocycle's rides, said that Neil, a lot of times, rode the motorcycle for 8 hours (or something like that) before a show at the evening of the same day. Well, if you are around your 60's and do that, probably you will have some pain in almost all your body during your perfomance on drums in a 2,5 hour show. :biggrin: I guess this happens even if you are at your 20's! :lol By the way, IMO that docummentary really shows that Neil already was a bit distant from the band, not from Alex or Ged in a personal level, but from what represents to be in a band or in the music industry.
By the way, IMO that docummentary really shows that Neil already was a bit distant from the band, not from Alex or Ged in a personal level, but from what represents to be in a band or in the music industry.
I don't know why these people can't see it as, "As much as we will miss them, we were really glad and blessed that a band like Rush came into our lives in the first place."
Amen brother and given the amount of enjoyment Rush has brought us and given the amount of personal tragedy Neil has been through, I'm happy for him.
Neil has earned it. He gave 40+ years of his life to the craft, and was widely recognized as one of the best if not the best. If he wants to retire and ride his motorcycle and/or write books and/or just chill with his family for the rest of his life, that's fine with me. Sure, I'd love to hear more from him and from Rush, but if it's not gonna happen, it's not gonna happen.
This, exactly. Would I like more? Of course. Do they owe me/us more, and are we entitled to more? Of course not. These guys have given 2/3 of their lives entertaining us. They're entitled to do whatever makes them happy, and I really am happy for them.
Ditto.I don't know why these people can't see it as, "As much as we will miss them, we were really glad and blessed that a band like Rush came into our lives in the first place."
Amen brother and given the amount of enjoyment Rush has brought us and given the amount of personal tragedy Neil has been through, I'm happy for him.Neil has earned it. He gave 40+ years of his life to the craft, and was widely recognized as one of the best if not the best. If he wants to retire and ride his motorcycle and/or write books and/or just chill with his family for the rest of his life, that's fine with me. Sure, I'd love to hear more from him and from Rush, but if it's not gonna happen, it's not gonna happen.
This, exactly. Would I like more? Of course. Do they owe me/us more, and are we entitled to more? Of course not. These guys have given 2/3 of their lives entertaining us. They're entitled to do whatever makes them happy, and I really am happy for them.
These posts perfectly sum up my feelings about this whole situation. Well said, fellas. :tup
Not sure if this has been posted before, but I found a video on youtube of a dude, flawlessly, covering the entire Permanent Waves album.
BY HIMSELF.
It's really insane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD5Xo1Tkh4U
Also he was playing guitar and bass left handed but drums full on right handed. Very interesting and cool.
I only listened through TSOR and Freewill, but that Permanent Waves cover so far is fucking incredible. I would imagine the rest is just as mind blowing. It would be impressive enough for that to come from 3-4 people, but a one man show? Even through just the first two songs, I uttered more than once, “That just isn’t right...” out of awe and, frankly, jealousy. Supremely talented individual mimicking to perfection three masters of their respective instruments. Simply amazing.
And I think I’ve mentioned this before, but since we are on the topic again...
It really is too bad that the original Vapor Trails mix/master was butchered beyond sounding like dogshit. There really is some great material on that record. In spite of its sonic issues, I still loved VT for what it is. And while the releases of the remixed One Little Victory and Earthshine had me excited for the eventual VT remix release, I was pretty disappointed in the final product. All the edge was gone. The overall raw vibe of the original was neutered and it sounded *too* pristine. And the different arrangements of certain songs also bugged me. I think I listened to the remix 2-3 times and haven’t touched it since. The HD tracks version is where it’s at for me. Cleaned up the sound a bit, but kept the balls the original record had.
I've seen a lot of drummers who were left handed play right handed kits, but they generally do like Mangini and play open hand.
It really is too bad that the original Vapor Trails mix/master was butchered beyond sounding like dogshit. There really is some great material on that record. In spite of its sonic issues, I still loved VT for what it is. And while the releases of the remixed One Little Victory and Earthshine had me excited for the eventual VT remix release, I was pretty disappointed in the final product. All the edge was gone. The overall raw vibe of the original was neutered and it sounded *too* pristine. And the different arrangements of certain songs also bugged me. I think I listened to the remix 2-3 times and haven’t touched it since. The HD tracks version is where it’s at for me. Cleaned up the sound a bit, but kept the balls the original record had.This is me as well, except for the HD tracks part. I was also excited for the re-release but have the same issues that you do. It didn't have the energy of the original, and I wish he hadn't altered the arrangements at all. I've simply gotten used to the original bad sounding Vapor Trails. It always sounded worse when I played the cd, but play cds so rarely these days anyway. When I listen to it on my ipod and ear buds, it works for me. I imagine the HD tracks is probably the better way for me to go, but if the original doesn't bother me anymore, but I don't really need them.
The HD tracks version is where it’s at for me. Cleaned up the sound a bit, but kept the balls the original record had.
The HD tracks version is where it’s at for me. Cleaned up the sound a bit, but kept the balls the original record had.
Yep. I believe that I was trying to push the HD tracks version on Firewings (Kattlebox) during his odyssey several pages ago. I can't stand the remix. The HD tracks version, while not perfect, is far superior to the original and keeps that oomph.
The HD tracks version is where it’s at for me. Cleaned up the sound a bit, but kept the balls the original record had.
Yep. I believe that I was trying to push the HD tracks version on Firewings (Kattlebox) during his odyssey several pages ago. I can't stand the remix. The HD tracks version, while not perfect, is far superior to the original and keeps that oomph.
I believe it's still available here:At one point there was an HD of the original mix, but as I understand it it's not available anymore. Supposedly that was the best version available, but I never heard it myself.The HD tracks version is where it’s at for me. Cleaned up the sound a bit, but kept the balls the original record had.Yep. I believe that I was trying to push the HD tracks version on Firewings (Kattlebox) during his odyssey several pages ago. I can't stand the remix. The HD tracks version, while not perfect, is far superior to the original and keeps that oomph.
I think I may have just found my new favorite Rush cover band. Although they do have some original songs as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laiHVeVPUWc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laiHVeVPUWc)
The vocalist is this band was born to sing Rush songs. Check out some of their live stuff as well.
^^ I've never heard of the file formats ALAC before, and I've seen (but don't know anything about) AIFF before. Do you (or anyone really) have any info on those?ALAC is the Apple equivalent to FLAC (Apple lossless) and AIFF is the Apple equivalent to WAV (uncompressed). Since you don't know what formats they are, I doubt you have a Mac, so I wouldn't worry about either of them.
^^ I've never heard of the file formats ALAC before, and I've seen (but don't know anything about) AIFF before. Do you (or anyone really) have any info on those?ALAC is the Apple equivalent to FLAC (Apple lossless) and AIFF is the Apple equivalent to WAV (uncompressed). Since you don't know what formats they are, I doubt you have a Mac, so I wouldn't worry about either of them.
I believe it's still available here:At one point there was an HD of the original mix, but as I understand it it's not available anymore. Supposedly that was the best version available, but I never heard it myself.The HD tracks version is where it’s at for me. Cleaned up the sound a bit, but kept the balls the original record had.Yep. I believe that I was trying to push the HD tracks version on Firewings (Kattlebox) during his odyssey several pages ago. I can't stand the remix. The HD tracks version, while not perfect, is far superior to the original and keeps that oomph.
https://www.hdtracks.com/vapor-trails
Note that there's a separate entry for the remixed version here:
https://www.hdtracks.com/vapor-trails-remixed
I believe it's still available here:At one point there was an HD of the original mix, but as I understand it it's not available anymore. Supposedly that was the best version available, but I never heard it myself.The HD tracks version is where it’s at for me. Cleaned up the sound a bit, but kept the balls the original record had.Yep. I believe that I was trying to push the HD tracks version on Firewings (Kattlebox) during his odyssey several pages ago. I can't stand the remix. The HD tracks version, while not perfect, is far superior to the original and keeps that oomph.
https://www.hdtracks.com/vapor-trails
Note that there's a separate entry for the remixed version here:
https://www.hdtracks.com/vapor-trails-remixed
Scotty posted the right one. It has the release date of 2013 and when you check the 'About this album' tab you'll see it was remastered by Andy Van Dette. That's the good version of the original mix.
I believe it's still available here:At one point there was an HD of the original mix, but as I understand it it's not available anymore. Supposedly that was the best version available, but I never heard it myself.The HD tracks version is where it’s at for me. Cleaned up the sound a bit, but kept the balls the original record had.Yep. I believe that I was trying to push the HD tracks version on Firewings (Kattlebox) during his odyssey several pages ago. I can't stand the remix. The HD tracks version, while not perfect, is far superior to the original and keeps that oomph.
https://www.hdtracks.com/vapor-trails
Note that there's a separate entry for the remixed version here:
https://www.hdtracks.com/vapor-trails-remixed
Scotty posted the right one. It has the release date of 2013 and when you check the 'About this album' tab you'll see it was remastered by Andy Van Dette. That's the good version of the original mix.
But wasn't there a 128 khz original at one time that was up there and got pulled for some reason? Can't really say because I just have CD only on both of these. Thought I read that on Hoffman but I could be wrong.
This may be difficult, but if you had to pick one single favorite Rush song, what would it be?
Available Light
yes, really
This may be difficult, but if you had to pick one single favorite Rush song, what would it be?
Available Light
yes, really
Thyat's a great song and a worthy favorite. I'd pick Grand Designs.
Available Light
yes, really
Thyat's a great song and a worthy favorite. I'd pick Grand Designs.
I as lucky to see them play that on the Power Windows tour as an encore. 3 times that tour.
This may be difficult, but if you had to pick one single favorite Rush song, what would it be?
For me its Anthem (particularly the live version from Different stages. Hot damn :metal)
Favorite song for me is Marathon.
Available Light
yes, really
After giving way to much thought to this, I have to say Mystic Rhythms
After giving way to much thought to this, I have to say Mystic Rhythms
I think the question was BEST song, not worst. ;D
After giving way to much thought to this, I have to say Mystic Rhythms
I think the question was BEST song, not worst. ;D
Why do people hate on Mystic Rhythms? That's a great song :(
After giving way to much thought to this, I have to say Mystic Rhythms
I think the question was BEST song, not worst. ;D
Why do people hate on Mystic Rhythms? That's a great song :(
It's run of the mill, generic 80s new wave. It's flat. It's a sissy song. If all the Rush songs were picking teams for a schoolyard game, Mystic Rhythms would be picked close to last. It has bad electronic drums, annoying synth patches, and ridiculous bird-call sound effects. The bass playing is rudimentary, and there's nothing memorable about the guitar. When I first heard it, I was embarrassed. I thought my favorite band had gone over to the dark side and would never recover.
They did a smokin version of Natural Science on the Vapor Trails tour as well! :hat
They did a smokin version of Natural Science on the Vapor Trails tour as well! :hat
As they did the T4E tour. Got to watch them perform it for both that and the VT tours. Always a kick ass rocker that has so much more punch and energy than the album version (due mostly to PeW’s quieter mixing).
They did a smokin version of Natural Science on the Vapor Trails tour as well! :hat
As they did the T4E tour. Got to watch them perform it for both that and the VT tours. Always a kick ass rocker that has so much more punch and energy than the album version (due mostly to PeW’s quieter mixing).
Although I have always been annoyed that they drop a line from the Permanent Waves section. And it can't be for time constraints because they add an extra chorus earlier in the song that pretty much cancels out the time it would take. It's one of my favorite lines that gets dropped too. The whole "art as an expression" part.
I'd have to go back and check, but did they do it that way on the Permanent Waves Tour?
I will throw a thousand nut shots for those who do not like Mystic Rhythms.
I will throw a thousand nut shots for those who do not like Mystic Rhythms.
I feel like when I finally get the privilege to share a beer with the King, I won't be able to because I'll be reeling from the punch to the balls. MR doesn't SUCK, but it's not legendary to me.
Manhattan Project
Marathon
Power Windows
Mystic Rhythms
Middletown Dreams
Territories
Grand Designs
Emotion Detector
There's almost no difference between 1, 2, and 3, and there is a relatively large drop-off after number 5.
I meant "The Big Money". King moment.
I meant "The Big Money". King moment.
Understandable.
Screw the Mystic Rhythms hate. It’s part of what makes Power Windows a nearly perfect album. That album has 6 - 10s and 2 - 8s (which would be Big Money and Emotion Detector)
Power Windows is such a great album, I think Marathon might be my least favourite on it. :lol They're all so great.
Available Light
yes, really
Thyat's a great song and a worthy favorite. I'd pick Grand Designs.
I as lucky to see them play that on the Power Windows tour as an encore. 3 times that tour.
They did a smokin version of Natural Science on the Vapor Trails tour as well! :hat
As they did the T4E tour. Got to watch them perform it for both that and the VT tours. Always a kick ass rocker that has so much more punch and energy than the album version (due mostly to PeW’s quieter mixing).
Although I have always been annoyed that they drop a line from the Permanent Waves section. And it can't be for time constraints because they add an extra chorus earlier in the song that pretty much cancels out the time it would take. It's one of my favorite lines that gets dropped too. The whole "art as an expression" part.
I'd have to go back and check, but did they do it that way on the Permanent Waves Tour?
The version of "Natural Science" on the PEW Tour was played as the studio release. The TFE Tour version (played on later tours as well), was re-arranged because the band felt like they could get away with re-arranging older songs to suit their tastes at the time. I forget who said it, if it was Alex or Geddy, but one of them had always wished the opening section had another verse/was longer than it was on the record, because they enjoyed playing that part a lot. I think they then wanted to axe the latter part, for one reason or another (time, just not feeling it, not wanting to play it anymore, etc.), and so the song remained about the same length when all was said and done. I'm sure there are interviews circa 1997 or 2002 that explain why "Natural Science" was re-arranged.
-Marc.
I did a Rush top 50 list years ago here, but I believe that was before the release of Clockwork Angels. My list is ever-changing, but I have to think that anywhere from 2-4 songs from Clockwork Angels would bust into my top 50 (title track and Headlong Flight for sure, and The Garden and The Anarchist would both have a shot depending on my mood).
I think my top 7 is pretty set in stone now:
2112
La Villa Strangiato
Xanadu
Red Barchetta
Jacob's Ladder
Marathon
Mission
I’m with ytserush on killing that line. For me, it is a completion of the thought built up by the other two lines. It’s like you get the teaser, but not the payoff. “Forming a world....state of integrity...” I just love that the build up of ideas leads to that final thought....and then we never get it.
Short piece on (mainly) Rush's retirement I wrote: https://www.sonicperspectives.com/features/farewell-kings-facing-inevitable-comes-musical-idols/
On a different topic, I think Roll The Bones is almost my favorite Rush album, second only to Signals.
Discuss this controversial statement.
On a different topic, I think Roll The Bones is almost my favorite Rush album, second only to Signals.
Discuss this controversial statement.
He said it was his second favorite, not their second best. How is Roll the Bones being his second favorite trolling? Are we only allowed to say a Rush album is a favorite if the fanboy masses deem it worthy? :P
He said it was his second favorite, not their second best.
I mean....I get liking outlier stuff. And I get liking one era over another. But on some level this just seems like trolling.
I mean, I don't just say this as someone who feels that Roll the Bones is the only "bad" Rush album. Because I would be totally OK with someone having it in their top 10 or even top 5. But Rush has so many albums with NO klunkers at all.....really. Most of us agree (though we may not all pick the exact same ones) that there are at least 2 or 3 albums in the 2112 to Moving Pictures era that are "all killer and no filler", and many of us would pick one or two albums beyond that scope. (Power Windows, for instance, gets a lot of praise from most people, but not everyone). Whereas even the big fans of Roll the Bones admit that Neurotica and You Bet Your Life are less than stellar tracks. I get that the album has its high points. Even in my book, Dreamline is one of the best album openers in the catalog. But the album, as a whole, has its flaws.
On a different topic, I think Roll The Bones is almost my favorite Rush album, second only to Signals.
Discuss this controversial statement.
That said, while Roll the Bones is not my favorite or second favorite, I know I like it a lot more than most Rush fans seem to. Sure, it has a few average tunes, but they sound fine when you listen to the whole album. The album is a fun and easy listen.
Haha, I hear ya. I was being a wise ass with my reply, hence the :P.
That said, while Roll the Bones is not my favorite or second favorite, I know I like it a lot more than most Rush fans seem to. Sure, it has a few average tunes, but they sound fine when you listen to the whole album. The album is a fun and easy listen.
Did someone say album ranking?
No? well too bad
#1. A Farewell To Kings
#2. Grace Under Pressure
#3. Power Windows
#4. Moving Pictures
#5. 2112
#6. Caress Of Steel
#7. Vapor Trails
#8. Permanent Waves
#9. Presto
10. Fly By Night
11. Signals
12. Hemispheres
13. Hold Your Fire
14. Test For Echo
15. Clockwork Angels
16. Debut
17. Snakes & Arrows
18. Feedback (added this in so it'd be an even 20)
19. Counterparts
20. Roll The Bones
P.S. I think I did this before in this thread, and I'm sure this list is different. This time, I grouped albums together in situations where the order could be different depending on my mood on a given day.
P.S. I think I did this before in this thread, and I'm sure this list is different. This time, I grouped albums together in situations where the order could be different depending on my mood on a given day.
Me too; I'm tempted to do it again, but I'm afraid it will be different.
I'm a pretty big prog fan, but honestly I think Rush are at their best writing 4-6 minute songs rather than huge prog epics. I like 2112 as much as the next guy (or more, or less, I don't really know how the next guy feels about any particular Rush song to be honest), but it's got some sections that I think are pretty weak, or just forgettable. Whereas Roll The Bones is just quality songs all the way through.
I agree that the quality of their discography is just insane. They were one of the most consistent bands of all time! Couldn't do a Rush album ranking, even if I had a gun pointed at my head.
I agree that the quality of their discography is just insane. They were one of the most consistent bands of all time! Couldn't do a Rush album ranking, even if I had a gun pointed at my head.
That's always been my view.
But they don't at all have duds. The self titled, for me, is the weakest one, but still not a dud, and a lot of fans would rank it much higher. And Grace Under Pressure is one of their best. :)
But I agree that there are other bands who don't have duds. Most of the ones I'm thinking of don't have as many albums as Rush, but DT is certainly one for me.
But they don't at all have duds. The self titled, for me, is the weakest one, but still not a dud, and a lot of fans would rank it much higher. And Grace Under Pressure is one of their best. :)
But I agree that there are other bands who don't have duds. Most of the ones I'm thinking of don't have as many albums as Rush, but DT is certainly one for me.
We may disagree on certain other bands, but this is where we totally agree. :biggrin:
But they don't at all have duds. The self titled, for me, is the weakest one, but still not a dud, and a lot of fans would rank it much higher. And Grace Under Pressure is one of their best. :)
But I agree that there are other bands who don't have duds. Most of the ones I'm thinking of don't have as many albums as Rush, but DT is certainly one for me.
We may disagree on certain other bands, but this is where we totally agree. :biggrin:
:) And obviously since we do agree, someone else who might happen to live in CT is sadly mistaken...
There's something else we agree on as well. Maybe I should post about it in the appropriate thread...
But they don't at all have duds. The self titled, for me, is the weakest one, but still not a dud, and a lot of fans would rank it much higher. And Grace Under Pressure is one of their best. :)
But I agree that there are other bands who don't have duds. Most of the ones I'm thinking of don't have as many albums as Rush, but DT is certainly one for me.
We may disagree on certain other bands, but this is where we totally agree. :biggrin:
:) And obviously since we do agree, someone else who might happen to live in CT is sadly mistaken...
The Body Electric freaking rocks. Take it back! :biggrin:
I just don't care about "the mix."
For me personally 'mix' only comes into question on modern albums that have no reason to sound tinny or muddy or all around poor, like DT's ADTOE. Or Vapor Trails. Vapor Trails had no excuse to sound that terrible at all.
I would be interested in hearing some dudes rerecord P/g with modern equipment if only to hear what it would sound like today.
Also I think P/g is better than MP
For me personally 'mix' only comes into question on modern albums that have no reason to sound tinny or muddy or all around poor, like DT's ADTOE. Or Vapor Trails. Vapor Trails had no excuse to sound that terrible at all.
Not sure what's wrong with ADTOE, but Vapor Trails was a mastering problem, not a bad mix.
Also I think P/g is better than MP
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Can't pass up an opportunity to disagree with Stads!
I routinely view Grace Under Pressure as one of, if not, my favorite Rush record. Something about that album just speaks to me and I love it.
Considering how much I lean to a more hard rock/metal sound in my music, I'm even surprised by how much I just love that record.
I just don't care about "the mix."
I can't understand this. The mix is one of the most significant facts in how an album sounds. It's how the instruments are balanced. A good mix can't really make bad songs good, but a bad mix sure can ruin songs that might otherwise be good. Compare the mixes on Moving Pictures and GUP, and the importance of the mix becomes obvious.
I just don't care about "the mix."
I can't understand this. The mix is one of the most significant facts in how an album sounds. It's how the instruments are balanced. A good mix can't really make bad songs good, but a bad mix sure can ruin songs that might otherwise be good. Compare the mixes on Moving Pictures and GUP, and the importance of the mix becomes obvious.
And likewise - I don't understand those for whom it matters enough to ruin an album for them. There might be an occasion where I wish the drums were a little louder or the vocals, etc, and I guess that's me talking about the mix without calling it that, but in the end, it doesn't change my feeling on the album. I have absolutely no problem with Grace Under Pressure, and it doesn't sound worse to me than Moving Pictures. But even if it did - it wouldn't make it a worse album for that reason. That would be just a separate category in my mind - album a is better, but album b sounds better. Let's take Vapor Trails, since pretty much everyone agrees that it's the worst sounding Rush album. I like it better than the self titled. When I'm comparing the two as to which album I prefer, the mix doesn't enter into the equation at all. The self titled might sound better, but I'll never rank it higher than Vapor Trails.
It always baffles me when someone says an album is bad, and uses the mix, the production (which I used to see more often), or something similar as a reason why.
I just don't care about "the mix."
I can't understand this. The mix is one of the most significant facts in how an album sounds. It's how the instruments are balanced. A good mix can't really make bad songs good, but a bad mix sure can ruin songs that might otherwise be good. Compare the mixes on Moving Pictures and GUP, and the importance of the mix becomes obvious.
And likewise - I don't understand those for whom it matters enough to ruin an album for them. There might be an occasion where I wish the drums were a little louder or the vocals, etc, and I guess that's me talking about the mix without calling it that, but in the end, it doesn't change my feeling on the album.
GUP was my first “new” Rush album. (I first heard Rush at a 6th grade graduation party just a few months before Signals was released...but it was just one song. I wouldn’t hit full on Rush fanboi until mid-1983)
My beef with p/g is in the songwriting, the arrangement and the sound of the instruments. I LOVE melody. I like epic melodies like on Subdivisions, New World Man, Analog Kid, Marathon, and Manhattan Project. I think "Kid Gloves" is a disjointed mess. I think Red Lenses sounds forced> And while Neal Peart is on my Mt. Rushmore of drummers, that fill on Red Sector A right before "I hear the sound of gunfire at the prison gates..." sounds SO FRIGGIN' LAME for a drummer of Neal's caliber...
Yes, yes and yes (also, "the sound of the instruments" is part of the mix, so....).
And likewise - I don't understand those for whom it matters enough to ruin an album for them. There might be an occasion where I wish the drums were a little louder or the vocals, etc, and I guess that's me talking about the mix without calling it that, but in the end, it doesn't change my feeling on the album. I have absolutely no problem with Grace Under Pressure, and it doesn't sound worse to me than Moving Pictures. But even if it did - it wouldn't make it a worse album for that reason. That would be just a separate category in my mind - album a is better, but album b sounds better. Let's take Vapor Trails, since pretty much everyone agrees that it's the worst sounding Rush album. I like it better than the self titled. When I'm comparing the two as to which album I prefer, the mix doesn't enter into the equation at all. The self titled might sound better, but I'll never rank it higher than Vapor Trails.
It always baffles me when someone says an album is bad, and uses the mix, the production (which I used to see more often), or something similar as a reason why.
Believe it or not, I agree with you, for the most part. Mix and mastering means squat to me; "Hotter Than Hell" by Kiss is a sonic mess but I love that album.
My beef with p/g is in the songwriting, the arrangement and the sound of the instruments. I LOVE melody. I like epic melodies like on Subdivisions, New World Man, Analog Kid, Marathon, and Manhattan Project. I think "Kid Gloves" is a disjointed mess. I think Red Lenses sounds forced> And while Neal Peart is on my Mt. Rushmore of drummers, that fill on Red Sector A right before "I hear the sound of gunfire at the prison gates..." sounds SO FRIGGIN' LAME for a drummer of Neal's caliber...
I give that record a listen about three times a year just to see if things changed, and they never do....
I'm a few years older than you, but I got into Rush around the same time (9th/10th grade for me). I was first exposed to Subdivisions and Countdown, which were played on fairly regular rotation on MTV, and I had gotten pretty well into the back catalog by the time GUP was released. Needless to say (given what I've already written here), it was a HUGE disappointment in pretty much every way, starting with that doofy picture on the inner sleeve (or was it the back cover?).
I'm a few years older than you, but I got into Rush around the same time (9th/10th grade for me). I was first exposed to Subdivisions and Countdown, which were played on fairly regular rotation on MTV, and I had gotten pretty well into the back catalog by the time GUP was released. Needless to say (given what I've already written here), it was a HUGE disappointment in pretty much every way, starting with that doofy picture on the inner sleeve (or was it the back cover?).
Brother, yes! I love the front cover (one of my favorite covers by any band ever) but that back picture... when I got into Rush, it was all...
(https://i.imgur.com/dQTHJSw.png)
And then with p/g it was all...
(https://i.imgur.com/31Ikw5k.jpg)
Consider, too, that I was huge into Maiden then, so it was all...
(https://i.imgur.com/HFGtCCL.jpg)
And so, no bueno.
Stadler complains about Rush's image but is a diehard KISS fan. I don't get it. :lol
Stadler complains about Rush's image but is a diehard KISS fan. I don't get it. :lol
I'm the one who raised the issue, but Stadler gets grief for it. LOL!
As with the mix, the image thing just made an already bad situation worse.
7. Hold Your Fire
18. Grace Under Pressure
You should get one right above your ass because that is the real Vapor Trail! :lol
This may, partly, explain why you're so wrong about Grace Under Pressure. It's not really that you don't like the melodies, you just think you don't because that picture influenced you negativity and got into your head. :)
That's the Power Window's Alex and I love that look.
Stadler complains about Rush's image but is a diehard KISS fan. I don't get it. :lol
I'm the one who raised the issue, but Stadler gets grief for it. LOL!
As with the mix, the image thing just made an already bad situation worse.
You brought it up, but Stadler took it to the next level by posting pics. There's nothingwrong withgood about that Rush band picture.
Also, you secretly like Grace as well. It's just buried deep in your subconscious, but it's the real reason for your forum name... :)
This may, partly, explain why you're so wrong about Grace Under Pressure. It's not really that you don't like the melodies, you just think you don't because that picture influenced you negativity and got into your head. :)
Could be. Better:
(https://i.imgur.com/WQmCQnA.jpg)
Best:
(https://i.imgur.com/NvXRLjZ.jpg)
Very unfortunate:
(https://i.imgur.com/Lt1DVNt.jpg)
I'm surprised Kattleox hasn't outed me yet; that middle picture of Alex is me.
You think that's bad you should have seen the shoulder pads on chicks clothing.
Also, here's a question from a 90s baby: what was the deal with the broad shoulders in 80s clothing? The last pic of Alex should be captioned, "When you have a photoshoot at 3 but a business meeting at 4."
1st pic: 70s Tom Petty
2nd pic: Angry Grandpa
3rd pic: Handsome fella
I routinely view Grace Under Pressure as one of, if not, my favorite Rush record. Something about that album just speaks to me and I love it.
I routinely view Grace Under Pressure as one of, if not, my favorite Rush record. Something about that album just speaks to me and I love it.
It is my favourite Rush album. It took me a long time to 'get' (a term I loathe, tbh) Red Lenses but in the end either Stockholm Syndrome kicked in or I simply got over the electronic(?) drums not suiting it very well and I rather enjoy it now.
Moving Pictures is a close second but P/G has a bleak quality to it that I absolutely adore and that's almost unique (I imagine it's not unique, but I've not come across another album quite like it). It captured the mood of British music of the time and put it through the Rush filter to produce a special album.
But it's the vibe. If you ask me, it's the only time that Rush REALLY seemed to follow the trends of the time, as opposed to forging their own trail, at least since the first album.
But it's the vibe. If you ask me, it's the only time that Rush REALLY seemed to follow the trends of the time, as opposed to forging their own trail, at least since the first album.
This is exactly right. Rush has always sponged up what was happening with other bands and converted it into something "Rushy." Vital signs is a good example of that. However, starting with GUP, they seemingly decided to go all-in on the new wave trends that were popular and didn't add enough of Rush's blend of 11 herbs and spices to make it uniquely theirs.
Vital Signs has has a Reggae vibe to it and sounds like something The Police would have done. New World Man definitely has a Police influence. Even though I kind of like The Police, NWM is one of my least favorite Rush songs yet it still gets lots of airplay. Songs like Analog Kid, Grand Designs, or Mission would be much better to hear on the radio.But it's the vibe. If you ask me, it's the only time that Rush REALLY seemed to follow the trends of the time, as opposed to forging their own trail, at least since the first album.
This is exactly right. Rush has always sponged up what was happening with other bands and converted it into something "Rushy." Vital signs is a good example of that. However, starting with GUP, they seemingly decided to go all-in on the new wave trends that were popular and didn't add enough of Rush's blend of 11 herbs and spices to make it uniquely theirs.
It's almost as though different people prefer different things.
But it's the vibe. If you ask me, it's the only time that Rush REALLY seemed to follow the trends of the time, as opposed to forging their own trail, at least since the first album.
This is exactly right. Rush has always sponged up what was happening with other bands and converted it into something "Rushy." Vital signs is a good example of that. However, starting with GUP, they seemingly decided to go all-in on the new wave trends that were popular and didn't add enough of Rush's blend of 11 herbs and spices to make it uniquely theirs.
Sorry, but you're both wrong. Pg, stop disparaging your namesake. ;)
In all seriousness, Rush always did things on their own terms. Grace, and the albums after it, are absolutely Rushy. They incorporated new sounds, that they were very much into, and made them their own. This probably includes their attire as well - what they chose in the 80s was probably a reaction to what they had chosen in the 70s.
Grace Under Pressure . . . [is] what they wanted to do.
It's definitely better than Test For Echo.
Wind 'em up and watch 'em go... *quickly leaves thread*
It's almost as though different people prefer different things.
It's definitely better than Test For Echo.
Wind 'em up and watch 'em go... *quickly leaves thread*
I mean, you probably wouldn't have people arguing against that notion and I'm one that likes Test For Echo for what it is.
I'm still getting familiar with what is Rush heresy and what isn't. :lol
It's definitely better than Test For Echo.
Wind 'em up and watch 'em go... *quickly leaves thread*
I mean, you probably wouldn't have people arguing against that notion and I'm one that likes Test For Echo for what it is.
He does this to me on purpose because I have always claimed that 1) Test For Echo is a top 10 Rush album 2) Is a FAR FAR better attempt at returning to their roots than the overrated Counterparts was and 3) contains one of the best starting 5 songs in the entire Rush catalog. Time and Motion is freakin brilliant.
It's definitely better than Test For Echo.
Wind 'em up and watch 'em go... *quickly leaves thread*
I mean, you probably wouldn't have people arguing against that notion and I'm one that likes Test For Echo for what it is.
He does this to me on purpose because I have always claimed that 1) Test For Echo is a top 10 Rush album 2) Is a FAR FAR better attempt at returning to their roots than the overrated Counterparts was and 3) contains one of the best starting 5 songs in the entire Rush catalog. Time and Motion is freakin brilliant.
It's definitely better than Test For Echo.
Wind 'em up and watch 'em go... *quickly leaves thread*
I mean, you probably wouldn't have people arguing against that notion and I'm one that likes Test For Echo for what it is.
He does this to me on purpose because I have always claimed that 1) Test For Echo is a top 10 Rush album 2) Is a FAR FAR better attempt at returning to their roots than the overrated Counterparts was and 3) contains one of the best starting 5 songs in the entire Rush catalog. Time and Motion is freakin brilliant.
It's definitely better than Test For Echo.
Wind 'em up and watch 'em go... *quickly leaves thread*
I mean, you probably wouldn't have people arguing against that notion and I'm one that likes Test For Echo for what it is.
He does this to me on purpose because I have always claimed that 1) Test For Echo is a top 10 Rush album 2) Is a FAR FAR better attempt at returning to their roots than the overrated Counterparts was and 3) contains one of the best starting 5 songs in the entire Rush catalog. Time and Motion is freakin brilliant.
Counterparts is freaking amazing though...
It's definitely better than Test For Echo.
Wind 'em up and watch 'em go... *quickly leaves thread*
I mean, you probably wouldn't have people arguing against that notion and I'm one that likes Test For Echo for what it is.
He does this to me on purpose because I have always claimed that 1) Test For Echo is a top 10 Rush album 2) Is a FAR FAR better attempt at returning to their roots than the overrated Counterparts was and 3) contains one of the best starting 5 songs in the entire Rush catalog. Time and Motion is freakin brilliant.
It's definitely better than Test For Echo.
Wind 'em up and watch 'em go... *quickly leaves thread*
I mean, you probably wouldn't have people arguing against that notion and I'm one that likes Test For Echo for what it is.
He does this to me on purpose because I have always claimed that 1) Test For Echo is a top 10 Rush album 2) Is a FAR FAR better attempt at returning to their roots than the overrated Counterparts was and 3) contains one of the best starting 5 songs in the entire Rush catalog. Time and Motion is freakin brilliant.
Counterparts is freaking amazing though...
CP is ok. It’s got some really great moments, and some really terrible moments. But on the whole, CP just felt like they were trying too hard to be heavy and “relevant” again. They had just come off of two very light and “airy” soft rock albums, and they wanted to prove they had balls again. But Stick it Out was just Rush trying to imitate the grunge movement. “Look. We can be heavy too. Grrrrrr. Look how heavy we are! Grrrrrr!” Animate is cool, Cut to the Chase is brilliant. Nobody’s Hero is too repetitive, heavy handed, hammy and preachy. Between the Sun and Moon wins my award for all time WORST Rush chorus. (As in...we couldn’t even think of one, so lets just sing a bunch of nonsense. For as much as I love TFE, even I admit that Dog Years is pretty bad....and the chorus for Between the Sun and Moon is worse than the chorus for Dog Years and Virtuality combined). Alien Shore is awesome. Double Agent is pretty cool. Was there other stuff on there. Oh ya, I actually like Cold Fire quite a bit. But for the most part, it’s a very average album that didn’t accomplish what it set out to do.
Test For Echo OTOH is amazing. First 5 tracks out of the gate are perfect 10s in my book. And honestly, Totem and Dog Years are the only skip tracks. The lyrics for Virtuality are dated, but that main riff just SLAYS. Really, everything on that album (with the exception of the two I mentioned) are in constant rotation whenever I get on a Rush kick. It felt like Rush getting back to being Rush again.
I've been following this thread on and off for a while and I'm a fan of rush but I have question to you guys:
Why is Snakes and Arrows rated so low on some of these lists? I honestly, no joke, think it's rush's greatest album.
Counterparts is an average album? there's only one week song on the album and that's The Speed Of Love. the rest of the album is ass kicking.Absolutely this.
I've been following this thread on and off for a while and I'm a fan of rush but I have question to you guys:
Why is Snakes and Arrows rated so low on some of these lists? I honestly, no joke, think it's rush's greatest album.
I've been following this thread on and off for a while and I'm a fan of rush but I have question to you guys:
Why is Snakes and Arrows rated so low on some of these lists? I honestly, no joke, think it's rush's greatest album.
the answer is filler
the end
Counterparts is anwell below average album.?
-Grace Under Pressure is pretty good, not great, but not awful. Sure, the production is a bit cold and the overwhelming synths give the album a certain sound that is quite different than what came before or after it, but I think given the nature of the lyrics on the album, the sound performed and produced fit the album quite well.
And to end my long post, I wanted to see if you guys would rank the albums within each phase, rather than the whole discography! It should provide an interesting and different challenge for everyone.
2112
Caress Of Steel
Fly By Night
Rush
Permanent Waves
Hemispheres
A Farewell To Kings
Moving Pictures
Power Windows
Signals
Grace Under Pressure
Hold Your Fire
Counterparts
Presto
Test For Echo
Roll The Bones
Clockwork Angels
Vapor Trails
Snakes & Arrows
-Marc.
Interesting point that was brought up, though - the band hadn't played any TFE songs on their last four tours, when they even performed a song from Presto (another often-neglected record). Maybe the songs just reminded them/Neil of a time that was just before their hiatus/his tragedies, or perhaps they just don't find the material that interesting to play? That would also explain why they hadn't played many songs from HYF/Presto/RTB, though I always said that newer songs would've worked well given the deepening of Geddy's voice.
I've been following this thread on and off for a while and I'm a fan of rush but I have question to you guys:
Why is Snakes and Arrows rated so low on some of these lists? I honestly, no joke, think it's rush's greatest album.
I agree that the quality of their discography is just insane. They were one of the most consistent bands of all time! Couldn't do a Rush album ranking, even if I had a gun pointed at my head.
That's always been my view.
I don't think that's inaccurate, but I wouldn't say they are unique in that way. Maybe once you factor in the number of albums. But they DO have duds, at least relatively (S/T, p/g). I'd put Zeppelin's catalogue up against them, as well as Genesis and Aerosmith. Certainly the Beatles, The Cars, Iron Maiden, and AC/DC. For me, since I like Tony Martin, maybe even Sabbath.
The problem is, of course, many of those other bands have more frequent lineup changes.
I just don't care about "the mix."
I can't understand this. The mix is one of the most significant facts in how an album sounds. It's how the instruments are balanced. A good mix can't really make bad songs good, but a bad mix sure can ruin songs that might otherwise be good. Compare the mixes on Moving Pictures and GUP, and the importance of the mix becomes obvious.
And likewise - I don't understand those for whom it matters enough to ruin an album for them. There might be an occasion where I wish the drums were a little louder or the vocals, etc, and I guess that's me talking about the mix without calling it that, but in the end, it doesn't change my feeling on the album. I have absolutely no problem with Grace Under Pressure, and it doesn't sound worse to me than Moving Pictures. But even if it did - it wouldn't make it a worse album for that reason. That would be just a separate category in my mind - album a is better, but album b sounds better. Let's take Vapor Trails, since pretty much everyone agrees that it's the worst sounding Rush album. I like it better than the self titled. When I'm comparing the two as to which album I prefer, the mix doesn't enter into the equation at all. The self titled might sound better, but I'll never rank it higher than Vapor Trails.
It always baffles me when someone says an album is bad, and uses the mix, the production (which I used to see more often), or something similar as a reason why.
Believe it or not, I agree with you, for the most part. Mix and mastering means squat to me; "Hotter Than Hell" by Kiss is a sonic mess but I love that album.
My beef with p/g is in the songwriting, the arrangement and the sound of the instruments. I LOVE melody. I like epic melodies like on Subdivisions, New World Man, Analog Kid, Marathon, and Manhattan Project. I think "Kid Gloves" is a disjointed mess. I think Red Lenses sounds forced> And while Neal Peart is on my Mt. Rushmore of drummers, that fill on Red Sector A right before "I hear the sound of gunfire at the prison gates..." sounds SO FRIGGIN' LAME for a drummer of Neal's caliber...
I give that record a listen about three times a year just to see if things changed, and they never do....
It's almost as though different people prefer different things.
It's almost as though different people prefer different things.
Different eyes see different things
Different hearts
Beat on different strings
I'm still getting familiar with what is Rush heresy and what isn't. :lol
I'm still getting familiar with what is Rush heresy and what isn't. :lol
Heresy is track seven on Roll the Bones. ;). It’s also somewhat blasphemous to say it’s one of your favorites from that album.
I've been following this thread on and off for a while and I'm a fan of rush but I have question to you guys:
Why is Snakes and Arrows rated so low on some of these lists? I honestly, no joke, think it's rush's greatest album.
I wished they played The Big Wheel live. That song was made to be played live.
Since HYF, there has been a song I wished they played every tour. Ytse , let's see who figures out why.
I guess I just have a special spot for Snakes and Arrows since it's the first Rush record I got, I feel like it's one of the most consistent albums they have put out.
Oh yeah, it is a great album and is aging well with me. Contrary to popular opinion, The Good News First is an awesome song! Especially when it goes into the part where the words say "some will say they never fear a thing, we'll I do". Probably one of the best moments on the album and a great guitar solo afterwards..... Ending with "The most beautiful words I could ever say". great stuff!I guess I just have a special spot for Snakes and Arrows since it's the first Rush record I got, I feel like it's one of the most consistent albums they have put out.
That probably is a contributing factor, but that doesn't mean it isn't deserving of how much you like it. :) After all, you obc liked it enough to explore the rest of their albums. A lot of people think it has filler, but I'm with you - I think it's great from start to finish.
Open Secrets.
Damn them for never playing that!
I guess I just have a special spot for Snakes and Arrows since it's the first Rush record I got, I feel like it's one of the most consistent albums they have put out.
Interesting point that was brought up, though - the band hadn't played any TFE songs on their last four tours, when they even performed a song from Presto (another often-neglected record). Maybe the songs just reminded them/Neil of a time that was just before their hiatus/his tragedies, or perhaps they just don't find the material that interesting to play? That would also explain why they hadn't played many songs from HYF/Presto/RTB, though I always said that newer songs would've worked well given the deepening of Geddy's voice.
Eh? The five songs that were originally played on the Roll the Bones all got played by the band at some point in the 21st century, Presto was represented on two of the last three tours, and Hold Your Fire was represented on four of the last five tours, although I definitely wish they would have dug deeper in regards to Hold Your Fire.
I've been following this thread on and off for a while and I'm a fan of rush but I have question to you guys:
Why is Snakes and Arrows rated so low on some of these lists? I honestly, no joke, think it's rush's greatest album.
Only problem with Snakes and Arrows is that Clockwork Angels came after it.
I wish they had rotated Open Secrets in on the R40 tour. It would’ve worked well, plus the gap in the reverse-chronological setlist was too big from RtB to P/G.FTFM
I've been following this thread on and off for a while and I'm a fan of rush but I have question to you guys:
Why is Snakes and Arrows rated so low on some of these lists? I honestly, no joke, think it's rush's greatest album.
Only problem with Snakes and Arrows is that Clockwork Angels came after it.
I've never understood all the love that Clockwork Angels gets. To me, it falls into Rush's "nothing special" tier (along with Snakes and Arrows, Vapor Trails, the debut, Test for Echo, and Power Windows -- with S&A being at the top of that tier and CA being toward the bottom). Like S&A, CA has a few good songs (Headlong Flight being the standout), but lots of filler.
I've been following this thread on and off for a while and I'm a fan of rush but I have question to you guys:
Why is Snakes and Arrows rated so low on some of these lists? I honestly, no joke, think it's rush's greatest album.
Only problem with Snakes and Arrows is that Clockwork Angels came after it.
I've never understood all the love that Clockwork Angels gets. To me, it falls into Rush's "nothing special" tier (along with Snakes and Arrows, Vapor Trails, the debut, Test for Echo, and Power Windows -- with S&A being at the top of that tier and CA being toward the bottom). Like S&A, CA has a few good songs (Headlong Flight being the standout), but lots of filler.
You my good sir are in the very small minority on CA.
Yep, that song was the perfect finale to their career. That is why I hope and pray they don't do anything else. Don't ruin that ending!! We got 19 studio albums of original material, 41 years and countless tours. I am good. :coolio :hat
Yep, that song was the perfect finale to their career. That is why I hope and pray they don't do anything else. Don't ruin that ending!! We got 19 studio albums of original material, 41 years and countless tours. I am good. :coolio :hatThe Garden is a good way to end their legacy of greatness, but I would certainly welcome another Rush studio album if they got inspired. There's no such thing as too many Rush albums. Even if they didn't tour it, that would be ok.. :coolio
I've been following this thread on and off for a while and I'm a fan of rush but I have question to you guys:
Why is Snakes and Arrows rated so low on some of these lists? I honestly, no joke, think it's rush's greatest album.
With Clockwork Angels, two things prevent me from enjoying it more: the insane amount of compression and Geddy´s voice, which was starting to get cringeworthy even in the studio. I think they gave all they had on that album, including Geddy singing in a much higher register than he was doing in their other recent efforts, and it does show that he´s struggling there a bunch of times - Seven Cities of Gold, I´m looking at you! And yeah, it does sound muddy. The riffing on Headlong Flight should be amazing to hear, but the end result hurts my ears!
With Clockwork Angels, two things prevent me from enjoying it more: the insane amount of compression and Geddy´s voice, which was starting to get cringeworthy even in the studio. I think they gave all they had on that album, including Geddy singing in a much higher register than he was doing in their other recent efforts, and it does show that he´s struggling there a bunch of times - Seven Cities of Gold, I´m looking at you! And yeah, it does sound muddy. The riffing on Headlong Flight should be amazing to hear, but the end result hurts my ears!
I just imagine if Clockwork Angels had the sound and production of Counterparts... *salivates*
I still think the album is great enough to overcome the muddy sound, but it still should sound better, damn it. :censored :censored
My main issue with S&A is that it feels like they tried to write/fit the music to Neil's lyrics. I'd rather write lyrics to good music, rather than the other way around. It just falls flat to me, which is a shame because the album sounds awesome.
I think Rush is great at mid tempo songs, and maybe that's why I don't have a problem with Snakes and Arrows. I don't listen to it all the time, but probably about as much as most Rush albums.
I think Rush is great at mid tempo songs, and maybe that's why I don't have a problem with Snakes and Arrows. I don't listen to it all the time, but probably about as much as most Rush albums.
Lyrically along with Moving Pictures and Power Windows, it is Neil's finest work Imo.
The other big reason for me would be that aside from a handful of songs, it just feels so un-Rush-like. To clarify that, a lot of those songs don’t have any memorable hooks or riffs, and so many of them just lack that characteristic “busyness” Rush is known for.
The other big reason for me would be that aside from a handful of songs, it just feels so un-Rush-like. To clarify that, a lot of those songs don’t have any memorable hooks or riffs, and so many of them just lack that characteristic “busyness” Rush is known for.
I agree with this and would expand it to much of the second half of Rush's career. Way too many of the songs are characterized by almost nothing other than chord playing without much in the way of melody or hooks or riffs. Nothing like the intro riffs of The Spirit of Radio or Tom Sawyer or even something like Show Don't Tell.
The other big reason for me would be that aside from a handful of songs, it just feels so un-Rush-like. To clarify that, a lot of those songs don’t have any memorable hooks or riffs, and so many of them just lack that characteristic “busyness” Rush is known for.
I agree with this and would expand it to much of the second half of Rush's career. Way too many of the songs are characterized by almost nothing other than chord playing without much in the way of melody or hooks or riffs. Nothing like the intro riffs of The Spirit of Radio or Tom Sawyer or even something like Show Don't Tell.
Driven? Half The World? Nobody's Hero? Cold Fire? Vapor Trails? How It Is? Everyday Glory? Faithless? The Larger Bowl? The Wreckers? The Garden? Clockwork Angels?
None of those have no Melody? I cry shenanigans!
The other big reason for me would be that aside from a handful of songs, it just feels so un-Rush-like. To clarify that, a lot of those songs don’t have any memorable hooks or riffs, and so many of them just lack that characteristic “busyness” Rush is known for.
I agree with this and would expand it to much of the second half of Rush's career. Way too many of the songs are characterized by almost nothing other than chord playing without much in the way of melody or hooks or riffs. Nothing like the intro riffs of The Spirit of Radio or Tom Sawyer or even something like Show Don't Tell.
Driven? Half The World? Nobody's Hero? Cold Fire? Vapor Trails? How It Is? Everyday Glory? Faithless? The Larger Bowl? The Wreckers? The Garden? Clockwork Angels?
None of those have no Melody? I cry shenanigans!
Had a road trip two days back and I put on Clockwork Angels for the first time since release. I really enjoyed it but the production seemed off to me, it might be to do with the amount of music I listened to before listening to CA and it just sounded different but I wasn't really a fan. I'm going to give it another spin on my back home.The production is a bit muddy, especially the drums. It was like that on the CA tour as well. I saw them in Seattle on that tour and the whole production sounded muddy. A lot of people were blaming it on the venue but I've been to other Rush tours at the same venue that sounded great. When the CA blu-ray came out, the same exact problem. The drums are muffled and the whole sound is underwhelming throughout the whole show.
Also what was the deal with the pyrotechnics on the Clockwork Angels and R40 tours?? The flames are cool, but the explosions were beyond insulting to the ears and damaging. I remember the explosions from the previous tours weren't even 1/4 that loud. Those deafening pops are not necessary for a Rush concert, only distracting.. :angry:
I'm talking about the Clockwork Angels and R40 tours both having the ridiculously loud explosions. The explosions on the Snakes and Arrows and Time machine tours were way easier on the ears yet still effective.Also what was the deal with the pyrotechnics on the Clockwork Angels and R40 tours?? The flames are cool, but the explosions were beyond insulting to the ears and damaging. I remember the explosions from the previous tours weren't even 1/4 that loud. Those deafening pops are not necessary for a Rush concert, only distracting.. :angry:
I saw multiple shows on both tours, and many of the explosions were the same. Maybe something was funky with where you happened to be in your venue, but they certainly did not increase their volume 4x.
So what's the Big deal if the explosions were loud?Because it hurt my ears and they immediately started ringing. The music levels were fine, but those explosions were way overkill!
:rollin
What makes it even funnier was that my best friend and I went to the GGG tour in 87ish. We didn't even like Motley Crue anymore, we just wanted to see girls running around in their underwear (we weren't disappointed). But my best friend got up front when Nikki started dousing the crowd with an entire bottle of Jack Daniels. He managed to get a rather big splash on my best friend.....right...in...the eye.
What does MC have against eyes?
DON'T EVER SEE MOTLEY CRUE!! THEY WILL PUT YOUR EYE OUT!!!
but I digress.
I saw Crue once, in Hartford, on the Dr. Feelgood tour.
Highlights of the show:
- seeing Tommy walking around backstage in a pair of Doc Martens, a pair of black Speedo's, black and white "batting" gloves, and a chain from his nose ring to his earring, and owning it like he was the most normal guy there; and
- the girl walking around with her booby out - and what a booby - showing everyone where Tommy and Nikki signed it.
You'll note there is nothing musical about those recollections. And this from a Kiss fan.
I've been following this thread on and off for a while and I'm a fan of rush but I have question to you guys:
Why is Snakes and Arrows rated so low on some of these lists? I honestly, no joke, think it's rush's greatest album.
Only problem with Snakes and Arrows is that Clockwork Angels came after it.
I've never understood all the love that Clockwork Angels gets. To me, it falls into Rush's "nothing special" tier (along with Snakes and Arrows, Vapor Trails, the debut, Test for Echo, and Power Windows -- with S&A being at the top of that tier and CA being toward the bottom). Like S&A, CA has a few good songs (Headlong Flight being the standout), but lots of filler.
Changing subjects a bit...
I'm sure there's stuff buried somewhere in the prior 90+ pages of this thread, but I'm wondering about the anniversary editions of 2112 and AFTK. What am I really getting if I buy them? And keep in mind that I'm only asking about the CD version. I'm not buying vinyl any more than I'm buying a manual typewriter.
According to Amazon,
The 2112 40th anniversary set comes with (1) the remastered album; (2) five covers; (3) "live archive outtakes from Massey Hall 1976;" (4) a live DVD (?); and (5) "bonus videos" of some of the cover songs and some interview footage. Is there anything noticeably different about the remastered album? What are the "live archive outtakes"? How extensive is the live DVD footage?
The AFTK 40th anniversary edition seems to be exclusively audio: remastered album and two discs of live material that is the entire show from disc 3 of Different Stages (as well as the DT cover of Xanadu and a few other covers).
I could buy both for less than $40, so this isn't really an issue of whether these are worth the $$, but I'm just curious about what I'm actually getting.
I still haven't had a chance to listen to mine (the short version...my surround sound system in integral to my DVD system.....and I can't get my seperate BluRay player to play 5.1 *thru* the DVD player, so I need a new component before I will be able to play my BluRay's in 5.1) ....but I have heard that Steven Wilson's 5.1 mix from the deluxe set is amazing.
That is AWESOME! I was at the Seattle show on that tour. It was my first time seeing Rush and I scored a 5th row seat on Alex's side. I was a senior in high school and was completely blown away!
We missed the opening act (Mr. Big) because we caught the late ferry ride across the water. As soon as we got into the arena, the lights went out for Rush and the crowd went nuts. After that concert, I pretty much started my Rush journey and have been a hard core fan ever since.. :coolio
Changing subjects a bit...
I'm sure there's stuff buried somewhere in the prior 90+ pages of this thread, but I'm wondering about the anniversary editions of 2112 and AFTK. What am I really getting if I buy them? And keep in mind that I'm only asking about the CD version. I'm not buying vinyl any more than I'm buying a manual typewriter.
According to Amazon,
The 2112 40th anniversary set comes with (1) the remastered album; (2) five covers; (3) "live archive outtakes from Massey Hall 1976;" (4) a live DVD (?); and (5) "bonus videos" of some of the cover songs and some interview footage. Is there anything noticeably different about the remastered album? What are the "live archive outtakes"? How extensive is the live DVD footage?
The AFTK 40th anniversary edition seems to be exclusively audio: remastered album and two discs of live material that is the entire show from disc 3 of Different Stages (as well as the DT cover of Xanadu and a few other covers).
I could buy both for less than $40, so this isn't really an issue of whether these are worth the $$, but I'm just curious about what I'm actually getting.
I've heard a lot of praise for Power Windows, but I've never cared for it that much.
I've heard a lot of praise for Power Windows, but I've never cared for it that much.
You dumb shit, go listen to Power Windows more.
:jamaritard:I've heard a lot of praise for Power Windows, but I've never cared for it that much.
You dumb shit, go listen to Power Windows more.
:lol
Power Windows is love. Power Windows is life.
:lol
Power Windows is love. Power Windows is life.
Power Windows is...ummm....ummm....better than Hold Your Fire....
:lol
Power Windows is love. Power Windows is life.
Power Windows is...ummm....ummm....better than Hold Your Fire....
What are the five greatest Rush albums of all time?
Power Windows... Power Windows, Power Windows, Power Windows, and Power Windows.
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Sending out the call to our caped pancake groupie:
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Sending out the call to our caped pancake groupie:
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:lol
Power Windows is love. Power Windows is life.
Power Windows is...ummm....ummm....better than Hold Your Fire....
What are the five worst Rush albums of all time?
Power Windows... Counterparts, Grace Under Pressure, Hold Your Fire and Roll the Bones.
:lol
Power Windows is love. Power Windows is life.
Power Windows is...ummm....ummm....better than Hold Your Fire....
What are the five worst Rush albums of all time?
Power Windows... Counterparts, Grace Under Pressure, Hold Your Fire and Roll the Bones.
ftfy
:lolSending out the call to our caped pancake groupie:
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Tim, don't make me DDT you.
I can name that move in one minute..
Thought this was worth a share. Billy Sheehan jamming with Alex and Neil during soundcheck one night on the Presto tour because Geddy was running late.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mxZPc58hZc&feature=youtu.be
Changing subjects a bit...
I'm sure there's stuff buried somewhere in the prior 90+ pages of this thread, but I'm wondering about the anniversary editions of 2112 and AFTK. What am I really getting if I buy them? And keep in mind that I'm only asking about the CD version. I'm not buying vinyl any more than I'm buying a manual typewriter.
According to Amazon,
The 2112 40th anniversary set comes with (1) the remastered album; (2) five covers; (3) "live archive outtakes from Massey Hall 1976;" (4) a live DVD (?); and (5) "bonus videos" of some of the cover songs and some interview footage. Is there anything noticeably different about the remastered album? What are the "live archive outtakes"? How extensive is the live DVD footage?
The AFTK 40th anniversary edition seems to be exclusively audio: remastered album and two discs of live material that is the entire show from disc 3 of Different Stages (as well as the DT cover of Xanadu and a few other covers).
I could buy both for less than $40, so this isn't really an issue of whether these are worth the $$, but I'm just curious about what I'm actually getting.
ytserush pretty much covered it. I went on an on somewhere back in this thread that the selling point on these, for me, is that they are from the Abbey Road remasters. They were originally done for the major vinyl reissue and were only available in either vinyl or HD Audio format. After hearing these, I went back and bought all of the Abbey Road remasters from Rush through Kings. They are the definitive sounding versions of these albums for me. I plan on buying the rest but am waiting to see if there will be any more physical releases of these before I throw down more cash.
Actually the first Abbey Road remaster that I heard was the debut album on vinyl. The Rush Rediscovered release. I put on Here Again and was blown away by the sound.
Sorry, I really love those Abbey Road's.
:lol
Power Windows is love. Power Windows is life.
Power Windows is...ummm....ummm....better than Hold Your Fire....
What are the five worst Rush albums of all time?
Power Windows... Counterparts, Grace Under Pressure, Hold Your Fire and Roll the Bones.
ftfy
Fisticuffs at dawn for this poppycock, sir.
Rush doesn't have any stinky albums, so it would be a very short discussion. :)
Rush doesn't have any stinky albums, so it would be a very short discussion. :)
No way - to both of you. :) But you're right, we shouldn't argue about it. I'll just feel sorry for you, since you're so clearly missing out... ;)
No way - to both of you. :) But you're right, we shouldn't argue about it. I'll just feel sorry for you, since you're so clearly missing out... ;)
"Grace Under Pressure: Causing fans to miss out for nearly 35 years!"
A Farewell To Kings and T4E are definitely stinkers. Presto and HYF aren't gems either...
Fight me. At dawn! Drunk! :lol
A Farewell To Kings and T4E are definitely stinkers. Presto and HYF aren't gems either...
Fight me. At dawn! Drunk! :lol
wha :dangerwillrobinson:
A Farewell to Kings - boring
Xanadu - boring and too long
Closer to the Heart - annoying
Cinderella Man - boring
Madrigal - boring
Cygnus - boring
I know it's a hot take. Just my opinion. :lol
A Farewell to Kings - boring
Xanadu - boring and too long
Closer to the Heart - annoying
Cinderella Man - boring
Madrigal - boring
Cygnus - boring
A Farewell to Kings - boring
Xanadu - boring and too long
Closer to the Heart - annoying
Cinderella Man - boring
Madrigal - boring
Cygnus - boring
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A Farewell to Kings - boring(https://media1.tenor.com/images/8a4a99d3bd67ba8d9a025c36edf4a624/tenor.gif)
Xanadu - boring and too long
Closer to the Heart - annoying
Cinderella Man - boring
Madrigal - boring
Cygnus - boring
GUP was a heavy guitar album and was a reaction to Signals. They had Hugh Padgham (of The Police fame) set as the producer and he pulled out right before hitting the studio.
GUP was a heavy guitar album and was a reaction to Signals. They had Hugh Padgham (of The Police fame) set as the producer and he pulled out right before hitting the studio.
And that's why it misses for me. It was SUPPOSED to be a "heavy guitar album" but rather than channel the "Jimmy Page" of most of the rest of the catalogue, he channeled "Andy Summers". Andy Summers is a lot of things, most of them great, but "heavy guitar" is not one of them. Plus, those drums sounds... ack.
GUP was a heavy guitar album and was a reaction to Signals. They had Hugh Padgham (of The Police fame) set as the producer and he pulled out right before hitting the studio.
And that's why it misses for me. It was SUPPOSED to be a "heavy guitar album" but rather than channel the "Jimmy Page" of most of the rest of the catalogue, he channeled "Andy Summers". Andy Summers is a lot of things, most of them great, but "heavy guitar" is not one of them. Plus, those drums sounds... ack.
I would say you did a disservice to yourself. This wasn't 1974 Alex, This was 1984 Alex and you should have known the influences of that time.
GUP was a heavy guitar album and was a reaction to Signals. They had Hugh Padgham (of The Police fame) set as the producer and he pulled out right before hitting the studio.
And that's why it misses for me. It was SUPPOSED to be a "heavy guitar album" but rather than channel the "Jimmy Page" of most of the rest of the catalogue, he channeled "Andy Summers". Andy Summers is a lot of things, most of them great, but "heavy guitar" is not one of them. Plus, those drums sounds... ack.
I would say you did a disservice to yourself. This wasn't 1974 Alex, This was 1984 Alex and you should have known the influences of that time.
I wouldn't argue that; oddly I love - I mean, "Top Five Or So Rush Albums Ever" love - the albums around it (Signals and Power Windows). I don't know the best analogy, except maybe food: Alex's guitar playing at that time was like garlic; in a spaghetti sauce, it's AWESOME (Signals), and on a pizza it's AWESOME (Power Windows), but on breakfast cereal, it's not (p/g). My biggest beef with p/g is not Alex, it's Neil. That drum sound. The best example is the fill on "Red Sector A" right before Geddy sings "I hear the sound of gunfire at the prison gates..."; that should be an epic, for-the-ages Neil Peart drum fill - like the roll at the start of Subdivisions, textured, nuanced, evocative - and instead it sounds like Naked Eyes, "Always Something There To Remind Me". If Rush was Dream Theater, instead of playing "Peruvian Skies" and interpolating "Have A Cigar" and "Enter Sandman", or playing "Surrounded" and interpolating "Mother" and "Sugar Mice", they'd play "Red Sector A" and interpolate "Always Something There To Remind Me".
GUP was a heavy guitar album and was a reaction to Signals. They had Hugh Padgham (of The Police fame) set as the producer and he pulled out right before hitting the studio.
And that's why it misses for me. It was SUPPOSED to be a "heavy guitar album" but rather than channel the "Jimmy Page" of most of the rest of the catalogue, he channeled "Andy Summers". Andy Summers is a lot of things, most of them great, but "heavy guitar" is not one of them. Plus, those drums sounds... ack.
I would say you did a disservice to yourself. This wasn't 1974 Alex, This was 1984 Alex and you should have known the influences of that time.
I wouldn't argue that; oddly I love - I mean, "Top Five Or So Rush Albums Ever" love - the albums around it (Signals and Power Windows). I don't know the best analogy, except maybe food: Alex's guitar playing at that time was like garlic; in a spaghetti sauce, it's AWESOME (Signals), and on a pizza it's AWESOME (Power Windows), but on breakfast cereal, it's not (p/g). My biggest beef with p/g is not Alex, it's Neil. That drum sound. The best example is the fill on "Red Sector A" right before Geddy sings "I hear the sound of gunfire at the prison gates..."; that should be an epic, for-the-ages Neil Peart drum fill - like the roll at the start of Subdivisions, textured, nuanced, evocative - and instead it sounds like Naked Eyes, "Always Something There To Remind Me". If Rush was Dream Theater, instead of playing "Peruvian Skies" and interpolating "Have A Cigar" and "Enter Sandman", or playing "Surrounded" and interpolating "Mother" and "Sugar Mice", they'd play "Red Sector A" and interpolate "Always Something There To Remind Me".
I don't know who Andy Summers is, but I really like the way Grace Under Pressure sounds.
Here's what happened. Stadler was in a hurry one day, and he had some last minute grocery shopping to do. He started to pull into a parking spot, but saw that there was a shopping cart right in the middle of that spot, probably left there by Altressa Cox-Blackwell. He swerved, but was too late, hitting both the cart and the car next to him, causing his airbag to deploy. When he came to, he thought he was OK and went about his life, never realizing that the mild concussion caused a rare form of insanity that causes one not to like Grace Under Pressure.
Here's what happened. Stadler was in a hurry one day, and he had some last minute grocery shopping to do. He started to pull into a parking spot, but saw that there was a shopping cart right in the middle of that spot, probably left there by Altressa Cox-Blackwell. He swerved, but was too late, hitting both the cart and the car next to him, causing his airbag to deploy. When he came to, he thought he was OK and went about his life, never realizing that the mild concussion caused a rare form of insanity that causes one not to like Grace Under Pressure.
It's better than Power Windows and Hold Your Fire.
*cues the Bat signal*
Here's what happened. Stadler was in a hurry one day, and he had some last minute grocery shopping to do. He started to pull into a parking spot, but saw that there was a shopping cart right in the middle of that spot, probably left there by Altressa Cox-Blackwell. He swerved, but was too late, hitting both the cart and the car next to him, causing his airbag to deploy. When he came to, he thought he was OK and went about his life, never realizing that the mild concussion caused a rare form of insanity that causes one not to like Grace Under Pressure.
I'm honored more than words can say. :)
(But for the record, I swerved, but my reaction time was too slow because it was my annual listen to p/g and I was falling asleep).
HYF is by far the weakest of the synth era.
It's better than Power Windows and Hold Your Fire.
Better than Power Windows?
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He's just as wrong as Stadler and pgIpretendnottolikep/gbutit'stherealreasonformyusername1067 are. :)
Perhaps one day he'll see the error of his ways.
He's just as wrong as Stadler and pgIpretendnottolikep/gbutit'stherealreasonformyusername1067 are. :)
Perhaps one day he'll see the error of his ways.
:lol :lol :lol
But you're wrong....
Also, Vapor Trails sounds terrible. In an alternate universe, the exact same sounds were recorded and mixed better with different guitar, keyboard and drum sounds, and it sounds worlds better.
He's just as wrong as Stadler and pgIpretendnottolikep/gbutit'stherealreasonformyusername1067 are. :)
Perhaps one day he'll see the error of his ways.
:lol :lol :lol
But you're wrong....
Also, Vapor Trails sounds terrible. In an alternate universe, the exact same sounds were recorded and mixed better with different guitar, keyboard and drum sounds, and it sounds worlds better.
I agree, Vapor Trails does sound terrible. :biggrin:
Don’t listen to the haters....TFE is a top 6 Rush album. BETTER THAN COUNTERPARTS!!!
13. Everything Rush did after Moving Pictures sucks except Clockwork Angels.
Don’t listen to the haters....TFE is a top 6 Rush album. BETTER THAN COUNTERPARTS!!!
Jammin is right that you shouldn't listen to the Test for Echo haters - it's a great album. Counterparts is still better. :)
Jammin is right that you shouldn't listen to the Test for Echo haters - it's a great album. Counterparts is still better. :)
I agree with one of these things. :biggrin:
Jammin is right that you shouldn't listen to Tim about Test for Echo haters - it's a great album. Counterparts is still better. :)
I agree with one of these things. :biggrin:
Found it.
GUP was a heavy guitar album and was a reaction to Signals. They had Hugh Padgham (of The Police fame) set as the producer and he pulled out right before hitting the studio.
And that's why it misses for me. It was SUPPOSED to be a "heavy guitar album" but rather than channel the "Jimmy Page" of most of the rest of the catalogue, he channeled "Andy Summers". Andy Summers is a lot of things, most of them great, but "heavy guitar" is not one of them. Plus, those drums sounds... ack.
I would say you did a disservice to yourself. This wasn't 1974 Alex, This was 1984 Alex and you should have known the influences of that time.
I wouldn't argue that; oddly I love - I mean, "Top Five Or So Rush Albums Ever" love - the albums around it (Signals and Power Windows). I don't know the best analogy, except maybe food: Alex's guitar playing at that time was like garlic; in a spaghetti sauce, it's AWESOME (Signals), and on a pizza it's AWESOME (Power Windows), but on breakfast cereal, it's not (p/g). My biggest beef with p/g is not Alex, it's Neil. That drum sound. The best example is the fill on "Red Sector A" right before Geddy sings "I hear the sound of gunfire at the prison gates..."; that should be an epic, for-the-ages Neil Peart drum fill - like the roll at the start of Subdivisions, textured, nuanced, evocative - and instead it sounds like Naked Eyes, "Always Something There To Remind Me".
Here's what happened. Stadler was in a hurry one day, and he had some last minute grocery shopping to do. He started to pull into a parking spot, but saw that there was a shopping cart right in the middle of that spot, probably left there by Altressa Cox-Blackwell. He swerved, but was too late, hitting both the cart and the car next to him, causing his airbag to deploy. When he came to, he thought he was OK and went about his life, never realizing that the mild concussion caused a rare form of insanity that causes one not to like Grace Under Pressure.
Here's what happened. Stadler was in a hurry one day, and he had some last minute grocery shopping to do. He started to pull into a parking spot, but saw that there was a shopping cart right in the middle of that spot, probably left there by Altressa Cox-Blackwell. He swerved, but was too late, hitting both the cart and the car next to him, causing his airbag to deploy. When he came to, he thought he was OK and went about his life, never realizing that the mild concussion caused a rare form of insanity that causes one not to like Grace Under Pressure.
The issue for me has never been that he dislikes it (people like what they like) it's that he expects it to be something it isn't. There's a pretty clear record of what they (Neil in particular) wanted to do with this album. Whether they succeeded is another argument entirely. (I think they did succeed.)
I just got a new system and listened to Steven Wilson's 5.1 mix of Xanadu.
....and now there's something in my eye.
I just got a new system and listened to Steven Wilson's 5.1 mix of Xanadu.
....and now there's something in my eye.
I sure hope that is a tear and not something else...:P
I just got a new system and listened to Steven Wilson's 5.1 mix of Xanadu.
....and now there's something in my eye.
I sure hope that is a tear and not something else...:P
I did....in fact....cry.
Steven Wilson is a genius.
I'm just **BEGGING** in my heart of hearts that there will be an identical box set for Hemispheres announced soon for release later this year.
Here's what happened. Stadler was in a hurry one day, and he had some last minute grocery shopping to do. He started to pull into a parking spot, but saw that there was a shopping cart right in the middle of that spot, probably left there by Altressa Cox-Blackwell. He swerved, but was too late, hitting both the cart and the car next to him, causing his airbag to deploy. When he came to, he thought he was OK and went about his life, never realizing that the mild concussion caused a rare form of insanity that causes one not to like Grace Under Pressure.
The issue for me has never been that he dislikes it (people like what they like) it's that he expects it to be something it isn't. There's a pretty clear record of what they (Neil in particular) wanted to do with this album. Whether they succeeded is another argument entirely. (I think they did succeed.)
Of course, you probably know that for me, that's all that matters: how close did the band get to the sound in their head. But - and not to argue, but to continue the discussion - I would argue that they never went back to that drum sound again, at least not in any meaningful way, so one can assume that even if that was what they were going for, the destination didn't live up to the journey.
And above, I don't mean "epic" in the sense of wicked, cross-kit tom fill, but just something with the gravitas of the words themselves: Gunfire, prison, walls... Like I said, like that fill at the end of the intro to Subdivisions (the snare roll).
EDIT: And let's be clear: it's not what I EXPECT. I expect nothing from my artists except that they be as true to themselves as they can. Rush has, what, ten or twelve other albums that touch me more. That's all. Wouldn't have them change it, I'm not calling for them to go back and re-record it or anything like that, I just prefer what came before and what came after better, that's all.
I just got a new system and listened to Steven Wilson's 5.1 mix of Xanadu.
....and now there's something in my eye.
I sure hope that is a tear and not something else...:P
I did....in fact....cry.
Steven Wilson is a genius.
I'm just **BEGGING** in my heart of hearts that there will be an identical box set for Hemispheres announced soon for release later this year.
Steven never disappoints with his remasters. That's why I can't wait for his Yes-boxset. I can't afford the huge Farewell boxset, but I will spend the 120 bucks (or so) to listen to the early Yes masterpieces with that sound.
Thank you kind sir!
Thank you kind sir!
I'd have loved if Steven remastered and included Going For The One and Drama, too. You would have probably too ;)
But I don't wanna turn this into a Yes thread.
Thank you kind sir!
I'd have loved if Steven remastered and included Going For The One and Drama, too. You would have probably too ;)
But I don't wanna turn this into a Yes thread.
GFTO in 5.1 surround is my current musical holy grail.
Whenever you write GFTO I think of "Get the fuck out" :rollin
That's why I love them. They soak in what's around them musically. Never standing still. Bands that stand still bore me over their career.
I am an unabashed fan of 2112-MP Rush, and hater of synth Rush. I like some various later output, think CA is quite good, and The Pass is my second favorite Rush song after 2112.
I gave Signals and GUP (YES I SAID GUP) a good listen and I gotta say, I really don't like this era of Rush. I mean, I don't dislike it in a hateful way, it's just such a far cry from my love for 2112-MP Rush. I can't think of another band who elicits such radically different feelings from me on their output from different periods in their career. The only other possible band in this category is Floyd, but they took a few albums to find their sound, a member loss, addition, and change in direction and songwriting leadership.
That's why I love them. They soak in what's around them musically. Never standing still. Bands that stand still bore me over their career.
You high bruh.
I have to admit that I chuckled seeing a Winger fan talking about how he can't lower his standards.
The Pass is my second favorite Rush song after 2112.
OK, first off, the bolded makes no fucking sense. I mean seriously.
That's why I love them. They soak in what's around them musically. Never standing still. Bands that stand still bore me over their career.
... you can have a favorite band and that band still has a few albums you feel are weaker. Or at least less enjoyable for you. But that doesn't ruin the whole band for you or anything; you just avoid those albums just as you might sometimes skip those tracks you don't really like.
I feel like "evolving" is good. I feel like the jump from MP to Signals was evolution. I feel like the jump from Signals to p/g was... a mutation.
the jump from Signals to p/g was... a bastardization.
And besides, if it weren't for GUP, then we wouldn't have gotten POW
The synth era gets way too much hate from the old school crowd. There is some amazing songs in that period. And Power Windows is a masterpiece from start to finish.
I don’t consider myself such a fanboy that I can’t see any flaws. I consider Roll the Bones to be pretty bad outside of 3 or 4 stellar cuts.
But ya. The synth era gets way too much hate from the old school crowd. There is some amazing songs in that period. And Power Windows is a masterpiece from start to finish.
the jump from Signals to p/g was... a bastardization.
ftfyAnd besides, if it weren't for GUP, then we wouldn't have gotten POW
PoW was, indeed, better than GUP, but then they gave us HYF. I remember playing HYF for my best friend (who liked Rush but wasn't really a "fan" and whose tastes leaned toward heavier stuff like Metallica and Slayer). His response was "if this wasn't Rush, you'd hate this." I'm not sure I realized it right away, but he was absolutely correct.
But I disagreed with him on the basis that the PLAYING is what kept it interesting. I have always been fascinated by music with more intricate rhythms instead of the more simplistic approach. Much of the synth laden music that Rush was influenced by at that time lacked the engaging bass and drum patterns that Rush always put into their music.
Huh? I’m saying Rush always put intricate patterns in their music, and your saying Prime Mover is an exception...but it rules?
But I disagreed with him on the basis that the PLAYING is what kept it interesting. I have always been fascinated by music with more intricate rhythms instead of the more simplistic approach. Much of the synth laden music that Rush was influenced by at that time lacked the engaging bass and drum patterns that Rush always put into their music.
And let's keep some perspective: Rush isn't my favorite band of all time, but they are goddamn close. I have everything from the first one to the last, and love most of it. Hemispheres is a top five album of all time for me, and I sometimes have a hard time picking that over MP and Signals (which I love love love). This is not a Rush hater here; I just feel that the experiments through the years have all moved the band as much forward as sideways. For some reason, p/g and Test For Echo have "less forward" in them. But as much as I bag on it, I firmly believe that there would be no Power Windows if there wasn't a Grace Under Pressure, and I LOVE Power Windows.
The synth era gets way too much hate from the old school crowd. There is some amazing songs in that period. And Power Windows is a masterpiece from start to finish.
The problem with this is that it's not the synths that were the problem. There were lots of synths all over Signals, but it was a great album. The biggest problems with GUP are the tinny, harsh guitars, the terrible keyboard and e-drum patches (on most songs), and the flaccid drumming. PoW is probably the most keyboard-heavy of the "synth era" albums, but it's also the best of them because the playing is better (although I think side 2 is a throw away). HYF was weak on virtually all fronts, with only a single song that I'll really go out of my way to listen to. Geddy's singing style also changed dramatically during this time period.
I don’t consider myself such a fanboy that I can’t see any flaws. I consider Roll the Bones to be pretty bad outside of 3 or 4 stellar cuts.
But ya. The synth era gets way too much hate from the old school crowd. There is some amazing songs in that period. And Power Windows is a masterpiece from start to finish.
And let's keep some perspective: Rush isn't my favorite band of all time, but they are goddamn close. I have everything from the first one to the last, and love most of it. Hemispheres is a top five album of all time for me, and I sometimes have a hard time picking that over MP and Signals (which I love love love). This is not a Rush hater here; I just feel that the experiments through the years have all moved the band as much forward as sideways. For some reason, p/g and Test For Echo have "less forward" in them. But as much as I bag on it, I firmly believe that there would be no Power Windows if there wasn't a Grace Under Pressure, and I LOVE Power Windows.
But I disagreed with him on the basis that the PLAYING is what kept it interesting. I have always been fascinated by music with more intricate rhythms instead of the more simplistic approach. Much of the synth laden music that Rush was influenced by at that time lacked the engaging bass and drum patterns that Rush always put into their music.
I’d argue that, at least in the case of Hold Your Fire, the bass absolutely keeps the album interesting, as I think it is one of Geddy’s finer albums playing wise. The utter lack of guitar on that album compared to the keyboards, however, is what I struggled with initially before finally accepting and enjoying the album for what it is. But the comment about how I would probably hate the album if it was not Rush that made it would likely be quite true.
And let's keep some perspective: Rush isn't my favorite band of all time, but they are goddamn close. I have everything from the first one to the last, and love most of it. Hemispheres is a top five album of all time for me, and I sometimes have a hard time picking that over MP and Signals (which I love love love). This is not a Rush hater here; I just feel that the experiments through the years have all moved the band as much forward as sideways. For some reason, p/g and Test For Echo have "less forward" in them. But as much as I bag on it, I firmly believe that there would be no Power Windows if there wasn't a Grace Under Pressure, and I LOVE Power Windows.
Only a Rush fan with no soul doesn't love Power Windows.
See: TAC
The breakdown portion of Mission is something that I don’t think most synth bands were even capable of .
Those albums are so good that you're screwing each other up! :lol
As a Rush nerd I can say there is always one song on the synth era on that is a clunker of a song.
And let's keep some perspective: Rush isn't my favorite band of all time, but they are goddamn close. I have everything from the first one to the last, and love most of it. Hemispheres is a top five album of all time for me, and I sometimes have a hard time picking that over MP and Signals (which I love love love). This is not a Rush hater here; I just feel that the experiments through the years have all moved the band as much forward as sideways. For some reason, p/g and Test For Echo have "less forward" in them. But as much as I bag on it, I firmly believe that there would be no Power Windows if there wasn't a Grace Under Pressure, and I LOVE Power Windows.
Only a Rush fan with no soul doesn't love Power Windows.
See: TAC
Speed Of Love
BOOM!
Power Windows is flawless.
Only a Rush fan with no soul doesn't love Power Windows.
See: TAC
I have no use for anything else on it.
And seeing Archie Bunker, um, I mean Tim so obstinate.
Not serious. Some fun banter on TAC's behalf.Look how I spelled Sirius, lol, based on the posts above.. ; :biggrin:
And my enjoyment. :lol
Those albums are so good that you're screwing each other up! :lol
As a Rush nerd I can say there is always one song on the synth era on that is a clunker of a song.
Name one? Roll The Bones is one of the very few multiple clunker albums.
I'm a huge fan of Presto. One of my favorite Rush albums. I also don't get the hate for Tai Shan. It sucks, no doubt, but not any worse than Kid Gloves or Red Lenses.
ClunkersThose are two pretty ok-to-good songs. GUP has grown on me over the years, so it isn't as bad as I used to think it was.
GUP: The Body Electric and Red Lenses (The Enemy Within, Kid Gloves and Between the Wheels are the only songs I'll go out of my way to listen to)
PoW: The entirety of side 2 (Marathon is very good and Manhattan project is good)I'm sure my feelings about POW have been made clear - it's a fairly flawless album to me, and I like both sides as much as the other.
HYF: Tai Shan and High Water (Mission is the only song I'll go out of my way to listen to)I agree with those two - the ending of the album was always a downer for me, but the rest of the 8 songs are pretty good-to-great.
Presto: Scars, Superconductor and Hand over Fist (multiple very good songs, including The Pass, Presto, Red Tide and Available Light)As a drummer, I like "Scars" and Neil's hypnotic drumming (which would come back later in his drum solos). "Superconductor" has grown on me over the year, but I'll agree that HOF isn't that amazing.
RtB: Pretty much the whole thing outside of Dreamline, Bravado, Where's My Thing? and Ghost of a Chance (I go out of my way to listen to nothing from this album)So, by "pretty much the whole thing" you mean only 60%? Like, that's just over half of the album...
RtB: Pretty much the whole thing outside of Dreamline, Bravado, Where's My Thing? and Ghost of a Chance (I go out of my way to listen to nothing from this album)So, by "pretty much the whole thing" you mean only 60%? Like, that's just over half of the album...
PoW: The entirety of side 2 (Marathon is very good and Manhattan project is good)What's wrong with Territories? That song is awesome! Personally, I like the rest of the album too, but can't understand how you couldn't like that track.
HYF: Tai Shan and High Water (Mission is the only song I'll go out of my way to listen to)Not directing this at pg1067 specifically - I get the hate for Tai Shan, but why is High Water always criticized? Not the greatest song in their catalog, but certainly no worse than a decent portion of their catalog. I'll take it over half the songs on RtB and T4E any day of the week.
HYF: Tai Shan and High Water (Mission is the only song I'll go out of my way to listen to)Presto: Scars, Superconductor and Hand over Fist (multiple very good songs, including The Pass, Presto, Red Tide and Available Light)
PoW: The entirety of side 2 (Marathon is very good and Manhattan project is good)What's wrong with Territories? That song is awesome! Personally, I like the rest of the album too, but can't understand how you couldn't like that track.
HYF: Tai Shan and High Water (Mission is the only song I'll go out of my way to listen to)Not directing this at pg1067 specifically - I get the hate for Tai Shan, but why is High Water always criticized? Not the greatest song in their catalog, but certainly no worse than a decent portion of their catalog. I'll take it over half the songs on RtB and T4E any day of the week.
Won't disagree with you on Stupidconductor, but Scars and Hand Over Fist ain't clunkers. In fact, I'd take both of them over The Pass (just don't get the love for that song, aside from the message in the lyrics). In particular I'd put HOF at the same level as High Water - not an outstanding track, but not filler or worse either.HYF: Tai Shan and High Water (Mission is the only song I'll go out of my way to listen to)Presto: Scars, Superconductor and Hand over Fist (multiple very good songs, including The Pass, Presto, Red Tide and Available Light)
You're missing the point of Territories with every take you posted.
The lyrics from Territories is far from silly. That's Dog Years.
Blaring and intrusive keyboards? That's the point. They are supposed to be like that.
Harsh guitar work in parts? That's what makes those parts amazing.
You like your music a certain way and that's it pg1067? Lol.
I really like all the songs on Presto but I can't stand the thin sound of it. Give me the same album with the sound of Counterparts and I'd listen to it a lot more.
Second Nature and Tai Shan are the obvious two "clunkers" from Hold Your Fire. I would say those are the two least best songs of the synth era (1982-1987).
HYF: Tai Shan and High Water (Mission is the only song I'll go out of my way to listen to)Not directing this at pg1067 specifically - I get the hate for Tai Shan, but why is High Water always criticized? Not the greatest song in their catalog, but certainly no worse than a decent portion of their catalog. I'll take it over half the songs on RtB and T4E any day of the week.
Oh dude.... I’m.... oh wow.
Territories is, to me, the greatest lyrics that have ever been written. It’s become practically my mission statement. And my sig is something I pretty much quote everywhere, to everyone.
Territories is something that far more people in this world need to wrap their heads around.
Second Nature and Tai Shan are the obvious two "clunkers" from Hold Your Fire. I would say those are the two least best songs of the synth era (1982-1987).
Totally disagree about Second Nature and Tai Shan, but other than that I'm with you.
High Water isn't bad, just mediocre. It strikes me as an attempt to rewrite Mystic Rhythms and isn't that great of an album closer.PoW: The entirety of side 2 (Marathon is very good and Manhattan project is good)What's wrong with Territories? That song is awesome! Personally, I like the rest of the album too, but can't understand how you couldn't like that track.HYF: Tai Shan and High Water (Mission is the only song I'll go out of my way to listen to)Not directing this at pg1067 specifically - I get the hate for Tai Shan, but why is High Water always criticized? Not the greatest song in their catalog, but certainly no worse than a decent portion of their catalog. I'll take it over half the songs on RtB and T4E any day of the week.
When it comes to great album closers, Cygnus X-1, Natural Science, Available Light, and The Garden all come to mind..
When it comes to great album closers, Cygnus X-1, Natural Science, Available Light, and The Garden all come to mind..
We've done this before, I think but Rush has a history of closing albums strongly, but if I was going to list my top 5 album closers, I think only Available Light makes it from that list. In The End, Something For Nothing, Fountain of Lamneth, La Villa Strangiato, Countdown, even Between the Wheels...
When it comes to great album closers, Cygnus X-1, Natural Science, Available Light, and The Garden all come to mind..
We've done this before, I think but Rush has a history of closing albums strongly, but if I was going to list my top 5 album closers, I think only Available Light makes it from that list. In The End, Something For Nothing, Fountain of Lamneth, La Villa Strangiato, Countdown, even Between the Wheels...
HAD a history of closing albums strongly.
I would say Available Light was the last truly strong album closer. I've said here multiple times that I find the love for The Garden to be completely baffling. It's a big fizzle at the end of decent album at the end of a stellar career. Almost every album up through Presto had an above average to great closer.
****Working Man - Arguably not a true closer, but definitely a case of saving the best for last.
****In the End - Possibly more lyrically a closer than musically.
**The Fountain of Lamneth (specifically Part VI: The Fountain) - This one falls a bit flat for me.
***Something for Nothing - A good, not great song. All of side two pales in comparison to side one.
*****Cygnus X-1, Book I: The Voyage - A true epic closer with a cliffhanger.
*****La Villa Strangiato - No explanation needed.
*****Natural Science - Make that three in a row.
***Vital Signs - Being the second weakest song on a nearly perfect seven song album is still pretty darn good.
****Countdown - I seem to be in a minority in my love for this song. Possibly the first Rush song I ever heard.
****Between the Wheels - Second best song on the album. Getting to this point was a chore.
*Mystic Rhythms - Bleh. I'd give it half a star if I could make the symbol.
*High Water - More bleh.
*****Available Light - An excellent, underrated song and a great album closer.
*You Bet Your Life - From here on out, pretty much ever album fell off significantly in the second half. I find none of the closers on the last six studio albums to be at all memorable.
*Everyday Glory
*Carve Away the Stone
*Out of the Cradle
*We Hold On
*The Garden
You Bet Your Life is one of my favorite tracks on RTB.Nobody's perfect. :P
Hah!
I see most people don't like it. But I do, and always have even though I think the album is horrible. But Dreamline, Ghost, and YBYL make my 90's Rush Compilation.
When it comes to great album closers, Cygnus X-1, Natural Science, Available Light, and The Garden all come to mind..
We've done this before, I think but Rush has a history of closing albums strongly, but if I was going to list my top 5 album closers, I think only Available Light makes it from that list. In The End, Something For Nothing, Fountain of Lamneth, La Villa Strangiato, Countdown, even Between the Wheels...
HAD a history of closing albums strongly.
I would say Available Light was the last truly strong album closer. I've said here multiple times that I find the love for The Garden to be completely baffling. It's a big fizzle at the end of decent album at the end of a stellar career. Almost every album up through Presto had an above average to great closer.
****Working Man - Arguably not a true closer, but definitely a case of saving the best for last.
****In the End - Possibly more lyrically a closer than musically.
**The Fountain of Lamneth (specifically Part VI: The Fountain) - This one falls a bit flat for me.
***Something for Nothing - A good, not great song. All of side two pales in comparison to side one.
*****Cygnus X-1, Book I: The Voyage - A true epic closer with a cliffhanger.
*****La Villa Strangiato - No explanation needed.
*****Natural Science - Make that three in a row.
***Vital Signs - Being the second weakest song on a nearly perfect seven song album is still pretty darn good.
****Countdown - I seem to be in a minority in my love for this song. Possibly the first Rush song I ever heard.
****Between the Wheels - Second best song on the album. Getting to this point was a chore.
*Mystic Rhythms - Bleh. I'd give it half a star if I could make the symbol.
*High Water - More bleh.
*****Available Light - An excellent, underrated song and a great album closer.
*You Bet Your Life - From here on out, pretty much ever album fell off significantly in the second half. I find none of the closers on the last six studio albums to be at all memorable.
*Everyday Glory
*Carve Away the Stone
*Out of the Cradle
*We Hold On
*The Garden
The closing songs from You Bet Your Life through We Hold On are all pretty weak, except for Everyday Glory which is a masterpiece IMO. Very uplifting track with really good lyrics. I wish they'd have played this but they seem to have avoided playing all of their closing tracks from HYF through S&A for some reason.I agree on Everyday Glory... No matter what they say, this is a fantastic song and a great album closer. I too, would had loved to see it played live.. 🎶😎
Not sure I've never even made it to the end of S&A.
Mind your own monkey business.
Of course! :)
I think PG is missing The Larger Bowl for the spoon.
Enough silliness. This little tangent is a far cry from the topic at hand.
Second Nature and Tai Shan are the obvious two "clunkers" from Hold Your Fire. I would say those are the two least best songs of the synth era (1982-1987).
Totally disagree about Second Nature and Tai Shan, but other than that I'm with you.
I'm with you; I LOVE Second Nature, and I don't get the hate for Tai Shan, other than it's acknowledging what the band themselves have said.
You Bet Your Life is one of my favorite tracks on RTB.
You Bet Your Life is one of my favorite tracks on RTB.
You trolling us?
To expand on my comment from the other day, even though I think Tai Shan is one of the two weakest songs of the synth era, I still don't think it's as bad as many do. It sure beats slop like Slime and Motion.
You Bet Your Life is one of my favorite tracks on RTB.
You trolling us?
To expand on my comment from the other day, even though I think Tai Shan is one of the two weakest songs of the synth era, I still don't think it's as bad as many do. It sure beats slop like Slime and Motion.
Not sure I've never even made it to the end of S&A.
When it comes to great album closers, Cygnus X-1, Natural Science, Available Light, and The Garden all come to mind..
We've done this before, I think but Rush has a history of closing albums strongly, but if I was going to list my top 5 album closers, I think only Available Light makes it from that list. In The End, Something For Nothing, Fountain of Lamneth, La Villa Strangiato, Countdown, even Between the Wheels...
HAD a history of closing albums strongly.
I would say Available Light was the last truly strong album closer. I've said here multiple times that I find the love for The Garden to be completely baffling. It's a big fizzle at the end of decent album at the end of a stellar career. Almost every album up through Presto had an above average to great closer.
****Working Man - Arguably not a true closer, but definitely a case of saving the best for last.
****In the End - Possibly more lyrically a closer than musically.
**The Fountain of Lamneth (specifically Part VI: The Fountain) - This one falls a bit flat for me.
***Something for Nothing - A good, not great song. All of side two pales in comparison to side one.
*****Cygnus X-1, Book I: The Voyage - A true epic closer with a cliffhanger.
*****La Villa Strangiato - No explanation needed.
*****Natural Science - Make that three in a row.
***Vital Signs - Being the second weakest song on a nearly perfect seven song album is still pretty darn good.
****Countdown - I seem to be in a minority in my love for this song. Possibly the first Rush song I ever heard.
****Between the Wheels - Second best song on the album. Getting to this point was a chore.
*Mystic Rhythms - Bleh. I'd give it half a star if I could make the symbol.
*High Water - More bleh.
*****Available Light - An excellent, underrated song and a great album closer.
*You Bet Your Life - From here on out, pretty much ever album fell off significantly in the second half. I find none of the closers on the last six studio albums to be at all memorable.
*Everyday Glory
*Carve Away the Stone
*Out of the Cradle
*We Hold On
*The Garden
How many times?
How many times?
Honestly? Less than 5. I think it's terrible.
It sounds great though. Just the songs are so lacking. I feel like they were trying to build music around Neil's lyrics. There's just no sense of musical composition. Just a forced backdrop to Neil's poetry.
I'll second that! :tupTo expand on my comment from the other day, even though I think Tai Shan is one of the two weakest songs of the synth era, I still don't think it's as bad as many do. It sure beats slop like Slime and Motion.
SPONTANEOUS RELATIONS AND THE LOOOOOONG ENDUUUUURRRRINGGGG KIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNDDDDDDDDD...
You're high, that song rules.
Thirded! :tup :tupI'll second that! :tupTo expand on my comment from the other day, even though I think Tai Shan is one of the two weakest songs of the synth era, I still don't think it's as bad as many do. It sure beats slop like Slime and Motion.
SPONTANEOUS RELATIONS AND THE LOOOOOONG ENDUUUUURRRRINGGGG KIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNDDDDDDDDD...
You're high, that song rules.
Let's make it 4. :)Thirded! :tup :tupI'll second that! :tupTo expand on my comment from the other day, even though I think Tai Shan is one of the two weakest songs of the synth era, I still don't think it's as bad as many do. It sure beats slop like Slime and Motion.
SPONTANEOUS RELATIONS AND THE LOOOOOONG ENDUUUUURRRRINGGGG KIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNDDDDDDDDD...
You're high, that song rules.
To expand on my comment from the other day, even though I think Tai Shan is one of the two weakest songs of the synth era, I still don't think it's as bad as many do. It sure beats slop like Slime and Motion.
SPONTANEOUS RELATIONS AND THE LOOOOOONG ENDUUUUURRRRINGGGG KIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNDDDDDDDDD...
You're high, that song rules.
Time And Motion is poor.
Let's make it 4. :)Thirded! :tup :tupI'll second that! :tupTo expand on my comment from the other day, even though I think Tai Shan is one of the two weakest songs of the synth era, I still don't think it's as bad as many do. It sure beats slop like Slime and Motion.
SPONTANEOUS RELATIONS AND THE LOOOOOONG ENDUUUUURRRRINGGGG KIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNDDDDDDDDD...
You're high, that song rules.
To expand on my comment from the other day, even though I think Tai Shan is one of the two weakest songs of the synth era, I still don't think it's as bad as many do. It sure beats slop like Slime and Motion.
Yet, you know those lyrics Stads. :lol
When it comes to great album closers, Cygnus X-1, Natural Science, Available Light, and The Garden all come to mind..
We've done this before, I think but Rush has a history of closing albums strongly, but if I was going to list my top 5 album closers, I think only Available Light makes it from that list. In The End, Something For Nothing, Fountain of Lamneth, La Villa Strangiato, Countdown, even Between the Wheels...
HAD a history of closing albums strongly.
I would say Available Light was the last truly strong album closer. I've said here multiple times that I find the love for The Garden to be completely baffling. It's a big fizzle at the end of decent album at the end of a stellar career. Almost every album up through Presto had an above average to great closer.
****Working Man - Arguably not a true closer, but definitely a case of saving the best for last.
****In the End - Possibly more lyrically a closer than musically.
**The Fountain of Lamneth (specifically Part VI: The Fountain) - This one falls a bit flat for me.
***Something for Nothing - A good, not great song. All of side two pales in comparison to side one.
*****Cygnus X-1, Book I: The Voyage - A true epic closer with a cliffhanger.
*****La Villa Strangiato - No explanation needed.
*****Natural Science - Make that three in a row.
***Vital Signs - Being the second weakest song on a nearly perfect seven song album is still pretty darn good.
****Countdown - I seem to be in a minority in my love for this song. Possibly the first Rush song I ever heard.
****Between the Wheels - Second best song on the album. Getting to this point was a chore.
*Mystic Rhythms - Bleh. I'd give it half a star if I could make the symbol.
*High Water - More bleh.
*****Available Light - An excellent, underrated song and a great album closer.
*You Bet Your Life - From here on out, pretty much ever album fell off significantly in the second half. I find none of the closers on the last six studio albums to be at all memorable.
*Everyday Glory
*Carve Away the Stone
*Out of the Cradle
*We Hold On
*The Garden
Continue to be baffled. Other than Working Man You Bet Your Life and Carve Away The Stone, those closers would make one fine Rush compilation CD.
To expand on my comment from the other day, even though I think Tai Shan is one of the two weakest songs of the synth era, I still don't think it's as bad as many do. It sure beats slop like Slime and Motion.
That's not possible. It wasn't on Grace Under Pressure. :) "Kid Gloves, handle with kid gloves... then you learn the lessons and the ways of hard-knock school!" Bleck!
The problem with a compilation of closers would be that you'd keep anticipating that it would be over.
Let's make it 4. :)Thirded! :tup :tupI'll second that! :tupTo expand on my comment from the other day, even though I think Tai Shan is one of the two weakest songs of the synth era, I still don't think it's as bad as many do. It sure beats slop like Slime and Motion.
SPONTANEOUS RELATIONS AND THE LOOOOOONG ENDUUUUURRRRINGGGG KIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNDDDDDDDDD...
You're high, that song rules.
and 5 :D
I see what you did there :neverusethis:The closing songs from You Bet Your Life through We Hold On are all pretty weak, except for Everyday Glory which is a masterpiece IMO. Very uplifting track with really good lyrics. I wish they'd have played this but they seem to have avoided playing all of their closing tracks from HYF through S&A for some reason.I agree on Everyday Glory... No matter what they say, this is a fantastic song and a great album closer. I too, would had loved to see it played live.. 🎶😎
Oooh oooh me me me 7th'd :biggrin:Let's make it 4. :)Thirded! :tup :tupI'll second that! :tupTo expand on my comment from the other day, even though I think Tai Shan is one of the two weakest songs of the synth era, I still don't think it's as bad as many do. It sure beats slop like Slime and Motion.
SPONTANEOUS RELATIONS AND THE LOOOOOONG ENDUUUUURRRRINGGGG KIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNDDDDDDDDD...
You're high, that song rules.
and 5 :D
Now 6 ;D
Time And Motion is poor.
This.
He's not. He totally tampered with my original post.
Using Tim as the wing-man for your argument doesn't make it any less wrong. :lol
He's not. He totally tampered with my original post.
A million dollar fine and 4 game suspension.
He's not. He totally tampered with my original post.
A million dollar fine and 4 game suspension.
I feel like this conversation is losing it's air.
He's not. He totally tampered with my original post.
A million dollar fine and 4 game suspension.
He's not. He totally tampered with my original post.
A million dollar fine and 4 game suspension.
I feel like this conversation is losing it's air.
*nugget*
-Marc.
He's not. He totally tampered with my original post.
A million dollar fine and 4 game suspension.
Did I miss when they appointed you Brendan Shanahan?
He's not. He totally tampered with my original post.
A million dollar fine and 4 game suspension.
Did I miss when they appointed you Brendan Shanahan?
President of the Toronto Maple Leafs? He hasn't led DPS for four years! I think you meant Stephane Quintal
I remember them listening to Metropolis and calling it overloaded or something like that >:(So? Most non-prog fans would probably feel that way too.
After a video binge last weekend I've determined that my favorite Rush videos (excluding the ones were they are straight clips from live concerts) are in chronological order.
Vital Signs
Subdivisions
Countdown
Afterimage
Half The World
Closer To The Heart (Different Stages version)
Malignant Narcissism
Obviously their best video is Time Stand Still :hat:lol
After a video binge last weekend I've determined that my favorite Rush videos (excluding the ones were they are straight clips from live concerts) are in chronological order.
Vital Signs
Subdivisions
Countdown
Afterimage
Half The World
Closer To The Heart (Different Stages version)
Malignant Narcissism
Most I saw from the VHS Through The Camera Eye.
I honestly can't think of a video for anything post-RtB.You forget about the dreadlock guy tied to a chair on top of a pole in the video for Stick It Out, or the weird dudes racing around in Driven (my favorite video of their's, even if the song is somewhat meh for me)?
After a video binge last weekend I've determined that my favorite Rush videos (excluding the ones were they are straight clips from live concerts) are in chronological order.
Vital Signs
Subdivisions
Countdown
Afterimage
Half The World
Closer To The Heart (Different Stages version)
Malignant Narcissism
I honestly can't think of a video for anything post-RtB. Lots of concert footage, but no videos (now that I think about it, maybe I saw one for Far Cry??). I'll have to try and find those that you mentioned.
I like the really old ones (Anthem, Fly by Night, AFtK, Xanadu, The Trees, LVS) simply because that sort of video footage is extremely rare. The studio footage videos from Moving Pictures are cool as well.
The first Rush videos I saw (and I think my first exposure to Rush) were Countdown and Subdivisions, both of which I LOVED. After that, they were all kind of lame, primarily because the band's post-Signals "look" (which matters when we're talking about videos) was pretty bad.Most I saw from the VHS Through The Camera Eye.
I still have that VHS. I don't know if it's still available, but I highly recommend the Chronicles DVD, which has some of the 70s and 80s videos.
Half The World as well.
I honestly can't think of a video for anything post-RtB.You forget about the dreadlock guy tied to a chair on top of a pole in the video for Stick It Out, or the weird dudes racing around in Driven (my favorite video of their's, even if the song is somewhat meh for me)?
Has anyone here bought any of the multiple remasters of 2112 that are out there? If so what would you consider the definitive version as far as sonics are concerned? I just bought the latest version of 2112 which is the 40th edition and that is apparently a remaster that was done in Abbey Studios. I then see there were several other remaster prior to that. Curious if anyone had a chance to listen to them all.
Then there's a few remasters of A Farewell to Kings though not as many as 2112. I was hoping to pick up the Steven Wilson 5.1 bluray mix that just came out but that apparently is only available with the super deluxe edition.
I honestly can't think of a video for anything post-RtB.You forget about the dreadlock guy tied to a chair on top of a pole in the video for Stick It Out, or the weird dudes racing around in Driven (my favorite video of their's, even if the song is somewhat meh for me)?
Either forgot or never knew they existed. I guess I know what I'll be doing this evening. Maybe they'll ring a bell for me; maybe not....
For "A Farewell to Kings" I have the "Rush Remaster" version, the Sector 2 version (because of the 5.1 mix in there) and the 40th anniversary version. I need to look up the Steven Wilson 5.1 version; I hadn't seen that.
Has anyone here bought any of the multiple remasters of 2112 that are out there? If so what would you consider the definitive version as far as sonics are concerned? I just bought the latest version of 2112 which is the 40th edition and that is apparently a remaster that was done in Abbey Studios. I then see there were several other remaster prior to that. Curious if anyone had a chance to listen to them all.
Then there's a few remasters of A Farewell to Kings though not as many as 2112. I was hoping to pick up the Steven Wilson 5.1 bluray mix that just came out but that apparently is only available with the super deluxe edition.
I've started listening to the audio book of Clockwork Angels, narrated by Neil Peart himself.
Perhaps I'll appreciate the album even more after knowing the story when I'm finished.
Has anyone here bought any of the multiple remasters of 2112 that are out there? If so what would you consider the definitive version as far as sonics are concerned? I just bought the latest version of 2112 which is the 40th edition and that is apparently a remaster that was done in Abbey Studios. I then see there were several other remaster prior to that. Curious if anyone had a chance to listen to them all.
Then there's a few remasters of A Farewell to Kings though not as many as 2112. I was hoping to pick up the Steven Wilson 5.1 bluray mix that just came out but that apparently is only available with the super deluxe edition.
You have the best version on CD then. Blows even the Mobile Fidelity version out of the water even though that's not heard to do. I think their version of 2112 was the worst of the albums they worked on.
I've started listening to the audio book of Clockwork Angels, narrated by Neil Peart himself.
Perhaps I'll appreciate the album even more after knowing the story when I'm finished.
I have that too but I'll never crack it or the book open. That album is so amazing to me and I don't want my interpretations of it ruined by Kevin J. Anderson. I'm willing to risk steering clear of that world.
I've started listening to the audio book of Clockwork Angels, narrated by Neil Peart himself.
Perhaps I'll appreciate the album even more after knowing the story when I'm finished.
I have that too but I'll never crack it or the book open. That album is so amazing to me and I don't want my interpretations of it ruined by Kevin J. Anderson. I'm willing to risk steering clear of that world.
I enjoyed reading it for more details about the story, but it's not a good book, imo. The writing just seemed... kinda poor.
I'm going to do this from failing memory so I might miss a few (please correct me if I do)
I'm going to list chronologically all of the promotional videos Rush did (except the live clip/fan made and lyric videos (or basically everything up to Malignant Narcissism (which is official) All of the videos can be found on Through The Camera Eye (VHS), Chronicles, R30 and R40 boxes. The Atlantic videos are on the Rstrospective III DVD. The album version of The Big Money is on the Grace Under Pressure Tour VHS.
I've started listening to the audio book of Clockwork Angels, narrated by Neil Peart himself.
Perhaps I'll appreciate the album even more after knowing the story when I'm finished.
I have that too but I'll never crack it or the book open. That album is so amazing to me and I don't want my interpretations of it ruined by Kevin J. Anderson. I'm willing to risk steering clear of that world.
I enjoyed reading it for more details about the story, but it's not a good book, imo. The writing just seemed... kinda poor.
I am a huge fan of Rush of course, but have also been a big fan of Kevin J. Anderson. Some of his Dune work is honestly the best in the series (and certainly some isn't), and the novels he did called Terra Incognita to compliment the Roswell Six CDs are fantastic as well. So, to say the Clockwork Angels novel was a disappointment is an understatement to me. Could have been a perfect match making gold, but instead I found it to be far from his best work, far too forceful in its use of Rush references, and having a pretty horrible ending. It's nice to have a story to go along with the music, but that's as far as I'll go.
I've been meaning to ask this for almost a year but I don't understand the 'Dirk, Pratt & Lerxst' in the thread title. Sounds like a law firm. Okay, that wasn't really a question... :justjen
That doesn't help at all. :P
https://rushfanstories.com/glossary.html
Okay, I... think... I get it. They're just nicknames.
It should have helped, and entertained you all at the same time. :P
I've heard a lot of complaints about the Sector sets, but I've found them to sound pretty good. I'm a 5.1 fan, and while Rush (generally) has deeply disappointed me in the 5.1 area, the Fly By Night and Farewell To Kings sound REALLY good in 5.1. I generally use the Crimson or Genesis 5.1 mixes as gold standards and both do a nice job of balancing the two approaches (an immersive, full sound field, versus a more "gimmicky" placement sound space). The Rush 5.1 remixes are generally too far in the "immersive full sound field" approach (the first Moving Pictures 5.1 remix is barely discernible from stereo mix in my opinion).
I'm going to do this from failing memory so I might miss a few (please correct me if I do)
I'm going to list chronologically all of the promotional videos Rush did (except the live clip/fan made and lyric videos (or basically everything up to Malignant Narcissism (which is official) All of the videos can be found on Through The Camera Eye (VHS), Chronicles, R30 and R40 boxes. The Atlantic videos are on the Retrospective III DVD. The album version of The Big Money is on the Grace Under Pressure Tour VHS.
So...I went looking and couldn't find the Retrospective III DVD. Is it still in print, or am I just looking in the wrong places? If I'm understanding correctly what I'm reading, the album was released in a CD-only version and a CD + DVD version, and I don't want to buy the album without the DVD.
That doesn't help at all. :P
https://rushfanstories.com/glossary.html
Okay, I... think... I get it. They're just nicknames.
Just look at my misspelled name as on nickname. That's another 90's hotmail necessity story. Lol
Big Al Day
Big Al Day was a law that King Lerxst enacted on Montserrat when the band was there to mix Power Windows (all the drinks were free on the first Monday of each week). See Power Windows tour book.
"Yeah that's what the world needs: more "Big Al Days". —King Lerxst
That was my Presto tour book. Guy just laughed at me.
After I punched him out I took $20 out of his wallet, threw his wallet at his friend and told him to get out. They did and I bought a new tourbook.
His friends took him out knowing he was acting like a dick and security never saw it.
Everybody around saw him taunting me. It was very gratifying seeing him crumble.
But By-tor came back as the hero later... He saved those poor men from Willowdale from the necromancer.His friends took him out knowing he was acting like a dick and security never saw it.
Everybody around saw him taunting me. It was very gratifying seeing him crumble.
"The land of Overworld is saved again!"
:lol
I was digging through a drawer in which I keep some of my music memorabilia and came across the inner sleeve of Fly By Night (pictured in the upper right of this photo)
(https://www.sepia.dti.ne.jp/Junya/RushMiniLPCD/images/06-FBN-inner.jpg)
I recall that the first copy of FbN that I bought had only a clear plastic inner sleeve and that I found the album with this inner sleeve in a used record bin at some point. Anyway, I noticed that the lyrics for the song "Fly by Night" start with the following:
"PROLOGUE:
airport scurry, flurry faces
parade of passers-by
people going many places
with a smile or just a sigh
waiting, waiting, pass the time
another cigarette
got in line - gate thirty-nine
the time is not here yet....."
Anyone ever seen this before or know what it's about? I'm fairly sure I hadn't see this inner sleeve with the lyrics in 25+ years, but I don't recall ever noticing this. Pretty amazing that, after all this time as a Rush fan, there are still things I wasn't aware of.
I was having a discussion on Facebook and then with a fellow Rush fan at work:
What was Rush's biggest mistake?
Interpret it however you like.
My answer is the termination of the band's relationship with Terry Brown.
I was having a discussion on Facebook and then with a fellow Rush fan at work:
What was Rush's biggest mistake?
Interpret it however you like.
My answer is the termination of the band's relationship with Terry Brown.
That's a STRONG contender, for sure. Another suggestion would be adopting the keyboard-laden and thin production of Hold Your Fire up to Roll the Bones.
Nick is dead on. It's the production of VT.
This is a small one but Grand Designs played as an encore on the Power Windows tour. An album cut from a new album felt out of place.
This is a small one but Grand Designs played as an encore on the Power Windows tour. An album cut from a new album felt out of place.
Every album cut felt out of place on that tour.
:lol
Too funny. I was looking at the setlist. It's fun to look back at shows you went to 33 years ago.
:lol
Too funny. I was looking at the setlist. It's fun to look back at shows you went to 33 years ago.
Is this where you tell us a Mr. Mister set list?
:lol
Too funny. I was looking at the setlist. It's fun to look back at shows you went to 33 years ago.
Is this where you tell us a Mr. Mister set list?
:lol
Too funny. I was looking at the setlist. It's fun to look back at shows you went to 33 years ago.
Is this where you tell us a Mr. Mister set list?
Steve Morse opened the Power Windows show here.
Not sure attending Mr Mister equates to prowess. :lol
I think you don't know the definition of the word. :lol
I was having a discussion on Facebook and then with a fellow Rush fan at work:
What was Rush's biggest mistake?
Interpret it however you like.
My answer is the termination of the band's relationship with Terry Brown.
That's a STRONG contender, for sure. Another suggestion would be adopting the keyboard-laden and thin production of Hold Your Fire up to Roll the Bones.
I can see why anyone would say both of these and yet find fault in both. After Signals Rush was moving in a different direction, and if they didn't think Terry was the right guy for that new direction then starting a new relationship instead of potentially souring what they had was probably the right decision. Hard to know what those albums would have been like had he stayed around. I think it's foolish to think Rush's golden-era style records would have just continued had Terry stayed.
Similarly with the synth direction there was no avoiding it. It's not like it was a random experiment or a one off decision, it was something they dedicated themselves to fully.
And without both of these decisions we would not have had a top 5 (if not top 3) Rush album in Power Windows, which was produced by Peter Collins who would later produce Counterparts as well, the nearly undisputed champ of that era of Rush, as Power Windows is for the synth era.
To me the obvious answer is to allow Vapor Trails to sound how it did on initial release. For a band with their budget it was absolutely, 100% inexcusable.
Of course, the REAL mistake was letting Rutsey leave the band. Now THERE is an alternate-universe I'd love to peek into...
This is a small one but Grand Designs played as an encore on the Power Windows tour. An album cut from a new album felt out of place.
Every album cut felt out of place on that tour.
I was blown away how the remaster blew away the Rush gold disk.
The Signals one has a missing line on The Weapon.
Oh...and....Power Windows is EASILY an all time top 3 Rush record.
I have the Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab gold CD of Dark Side of the Moon, and I have to say the sound quality is amazing. It's the only version where I've been able to hear the "Ticket to Ride" snippet under the final heartbeats.
I'm not quite with Tim on my views of Power Windows, but I have no idea how this fits as a Top 3 record from a band that delivered Moving Pictures, Permanent Waves, A Farewell to Kings, and Hemispheres. Sure, it's got 8 excellent songs, but nothing jumps out at me as a top 10, or even top 20 Rush song.
It might be a Top 5 album, but no way it out-ranks either of those ones I mentioned, and I might even put 2112 and Clockwork ahead of it.
:dunno:
I think you don't know the definition of the word. :lol
Also, Welcome To The Real World is a fantastic album.
I'm not quite with Tim on my views of Power Windows, but I have no idea how this fits as a Top 3 record from a band that delivered Moving Pictures, Permanent Waves, A Farewell to Kings, and Hemispheres. Sure, it's got 8 excellent songs, but nothing jumps out at me as a top 10, or even top 20 Rush song.
It might be a Top 5 album, but no way it out-ranks either of those ones I mentioned, and I might even put 2112 and Clockwork ahead of it.
:dunno:
Side A of Moving Pictures is legendary. And then The Camera Eye comes in at the halfway point and just brings the whole album down imo, which is a shame since it's literally a third of the album's total runtime.
Side A of Moving Pictures is legendary. And then The Camera Eye comes in at the halfway point and just brings the whole album down imo, which is a shame since it's literally a third of the album's total runtime.
Side A of Moving Pictures is legendary. And then The Camera Eye comes in at the halfway point and just brings the whole album down imo, which is a shame since it's literally a third of the album's total runtime.
I think your math is failing you if you think a song under 11 minutes is “literally” 1/3 of an album over 40 minutes. :P
I'm not quite with Tim on my views of Power Windows, but I have no idea how this fits as a Top 3 record from a band that delivered Moving Pictures, Permanent Waves, A Farewell to Kings, and Hemispheres. Sure, it's got 8 excellent songs, but nothing jumps out at me as a top 10, or even top 20 Rush song.
It might be a Top 5 album, but no way it out-ranks either of those ones I mentioned, and I might even put 2112 and Clockwork ahead of it.
:dunno:
Side A of Moving Pictures is legendary. And then The Camera Eye comes in at the halfway point and just brings the whole album down imo, which is a shame since it's literally a third of the album's total runtime.
I mean this respectfully, and only in the interest of showing "taste is subjective", but you praised p/g and slagged The Camera Eye. It's not a surprise to anyone here because I've said it ad nauseum, but p/g is a BOTTOM three album for me (the only ones I like less are the debut and Roll The Bones) and "The Camera Eye" is a top 10 Rush song for me.
And I get that but for me, it was such an uplifting album, I was a junior in high school, I just can't get enough of it.
And I get that but for me, it was such an uplifting album, I was a junior in high school, I just can't get enough of it.
So you were 17 in junior high??
Yes, Power Windows is a Top 3 album during the run of Signals through HYF.
I think Signals sounds great. It has aged very well.
I have no idea how this fits as a Top 3 record from a band that delivered Moving Pictures, Permanent Waves, A Farewell to Kings, and Hemispheres. . . . nothing jumps out at me as a top 10, or even top 20 Rush song.
Don't forget this one:
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"Between The Wheels" is one of the better tracks, but it's not even a top 10 album closer in the Rush catalogue (I prefer "Working Man", "In The End", "The Fountain of Lamneth", "Something For Nothing", "La Villa Strangiato" (my favorite Rush song ever), "Natural Science", "Countdown", "Mystic Rhythms", "Available Light", "We Hold On", and "The Garden" (even though massively over-rated) over BTW.)
And I get that but for me, it was such an uplifting album, I was a junior in high school, I just can't get enough of it.
So you were 17 in junior high??
Mystic Rhythms? That's a Tai Shan level song. Available Light, on the other hand, is one of Rush's most underrated songs (and makes up for having Hand Over Fist on Presto).
And I get that but for me, it was such an uplifting album, I was a junior in high school, I just can't get enough of it.
So you were 17 in junior high??
Emotionally, yes. :lol
Mystic Rhythms? That's a Tai Shan level song. Available Light, on the other hand, is one of Rush's most underrated songs (and makes up for having Hand Over Fist on Presto).
I never understood the hate for Tai Shan. I love Hold Your Fire, and I like that song. I have a theory, but I believe it will be wildly unpopular here, so I'm going to keep it to myself.
https://loudwire.com/guy-air-drum-rush-nfl-game-rush-love-it/
https://loudwire.com/guy-air-drum-rush-nfl-game-rush-love-it/
Mystic Rhythms? That's a Tai Shan level song. Available Light, on the other hand, is one of Rush's most underrated songs (and makes up for having Hand Over Fist on Presto).
I never understood the hate for Tai Shan. I love Hold Your Fire, and I like that song. I have a theory, but I believe it will be wildly unpopular here, so I'm going to keep it to myself.
A theory about...??
Anyway, I don't "hate" Tai Shan (that word is reserved for stuff like "Tush" by ZZ Top or the sound a vacuum cleaner makes when a cat is caught in it). It's just bland and boring. Mystic Rhythms is worse.
You asked, so... I think a good portion of fans reject Tai Shan because Geddy said HE (and the band) didn't care for it. "Well Geddy doesn't like it, it MUST suck!"
And I get that but for me, it was such an uplifting album, I was a junior in high school, I just can't get enough of it.
So you were 17 in junior high??
Emotionally, yes. :lol
Helluva post for #40,000.
@ TAC... take note where the word "in" is with King's original statement.
Nick is dead on. It's the production of VT.
I agree with Nick as well. Terry Brown was important to the band in the early days, but he had to go when he did.
The sound of VT is definitely a travesty, although the Xanadu into Superconductor medley on the RtB tour stands alone as their biggest WTF
This is a small one but Grand Designs played as an encore on the Power Windows tour. An album cut from a new album felt out of place.
The remaster is better than the Gold Disk.
I have the Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab gold CD of Dark Side of the Moon, and I have to say the sound quality is amazing. It's the only version where I've been able to hear the "Ticket to Ride" snippet under the final heartbeats.
I'm not quite with Tim on my views of Power Windows, but I have no idea how this fits as a Top 3 record from a band that delivered Moving Pictures, Permanent Waves, A Farewell to Kings, and Hemispheres. Sure, it's got 8 excellent songs, but nothing jumps out at me as a top 10, or even top 20 Rush song.
It might be a Top 5 album, but no way it out-ranks either of those ones I mentioned, and I might even put 2112 and Clockwork ahead of it.
:dunno:
Side A of Moving Pictures is legendary. And then The Camera Eye comes in at the halfway point and just brings the whole album down imo, which is a shame since it's literally a third of the album's total runtime.
The remaster is better than the Gold Disk.
On CD? That gold disc is flat out amazing (So warm!.) Best of the 4 Mobile Fidelity Rush CDs.
The Sector CD isn't too bad either. 97 Remaster is by far the worst. Original atomic isn't quite as good as the Sector.
You asked, so... I think a good portion of fans reject Tai Shan because Geddy said HE (and the band) didn't care for it. "Well Geddy doesn't like it, it MUST suck!"
I wouldn't be surprised if you're right. For me, however, this month marks the 31st anniversary of me not liking the song. I didn't become aware of Geddy's or the band's opinion about the song until probably sometime in the last decade (and, in any event, what a particular artist thinks about a particular song is of no relevance at all to me).
The remaster is better than the Gold Disk.
On CD? That gold disc is flat out amazing (So warm!.) Best of the 4 Mobile Fidelity Rush CDs.
The Sector CD isn't too bad either. 97 Remaster is by far the worst. Original atomic isn't quite as good as the Sector.
John, WTF are you talking about? :lol
Mobile fidelity, atomic, Sector? :lol :facepalm:
On CD? That gold disc is flat out amazing (So warm!.) Best of the 4 Mobile Fidelity Rush CDs.
The Sector CD isn't too bad either. 97 Remaster is by far the worst. Original atomic isn't quite as good as the Sector.
How many times can you remaster the same album? I mean, a Rush thread is going to have a lot of nerdy posts but this one takes the cake:On CD? That gold disc is flat out amazing (So warm!.) Best of the 4 Mobile Fidelity Rush CDs.
The Sector CD isn't too bad either. 97 Remaster is by far the worst. Original atomic isn't quite as good as the Sector.
:lol
It made me laugh. :tup
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Sorry, but who would want a mug with "Geddy Lee's Big Beautiful Book of Bass" written on it?
Sorry, but who would want a mug with "Geddy Lee's Big Beautiful Book of Bass" written on it?
Mrs. Lee?
Sorry, but who would want a mug with "Geddy Lee's Big Beautiful Book of Bass" written on it?
Mrs. Lee?
Geddy Lee's Big Beautiful Book of Bass -- in standard and "luxe" and "ultra" limited editions:
https://rushbackstage.com/dept/book-of-bass?cp=102112_102929
For $950, I'm gonna need Geddy to deliver it personally and play a song or two with me.
So basically you're paying for that nice case.
Sorry, but who would want a mug with "Geddy Lee's Big Beautiful Book of Bass" written on it?
Sorry, but who would want a mug with "Geddy Lee's Big Beautiful Book of Bass" written on it?
The guy two offices down from me.
So basically you're paying for that nice case.
In addition to the book, you get:
1. Signed and numbered by Geddy
2. A "customized slipcase"
3. A "silver tolex briefcase ("reminiscent of certain guitar cases," and which is presumably suitable for nothing other than storing the book)
4. Behind the scenes mini-booklet
5. Two guitar picks
6. A signed photo of Geddy
7. An R40 set list that includes which bass Geddy played for each song
8. A "vintage Fender hang tag reproduction"
9. A set of bass strings
10. A guitar polishing cloth
11. An extra "standard edition" of the book because "some collectors will not want to break the shrinkwrap on their Ultra Limited Edition"
Some of it's cool; some of it's a little odd (a set of strings and a polishing cloth???). For me, the only things I'd be willing to pay extra for would be Geddy's signature and the behind the scenes mini-booklet. The "Luxe" edition has those things (plus a "custom fabric book bag" and the picks) for $450, but that's way too much for me to consider spending. I'm find with the "standard edition" for $60 (or whatever it's going for on Amazon at the moment).
In.
I didn't look but what is the book about?
OMG IT’S ACTUALLY HAPPENING!!!! I HAD GIVEN UP HOPE!!!!
SQUEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2018/10/05/5156/Rush-Hemispheres-40th-anniversary-box-set-coming-November-16th
I wonder if this anniversary series is going to go to the end of eternity, eventually ending in Clockwork Angels Anniversary? :lol
A "box set." Hmmm... Haven't read all the details, but I hope it's not like the Metallica AJFA thing where you have to buy a bunch of vinyl in order to get a lot of the cool stuff.
See, that's the problem for me; i was able to get 5.1 versions of 2112, Moving Pictures and Farewell to Kings (albeit not the Wilson versions) outside of the "super duper deluxe", but not so with Hemispheres. Hemispheres is one of my five or so favorite records ever, so I'm going to either have to find someone that wants the vinyl only, or who wants to sell their bluray out of their set.
This is my all time #1 favorite album from anyone ever...so I literally would have shelled out twice as much.
I would've preferred to get a full 2-hour Hemispheres show instead.
Also, I have to call foul on a grown man saying "SQUEEEEEEE!!!" ;D
I really want all of the 2015 Magee masters released on CD.
See, that's the problem for me; i was able to get 5.1 versions of 2112, Moving Pictures and Farewell to Kings (albeit not the Wilson versions) outside of the "super duper deluxe", but not so with Hemispheres. Hemispheres is one of my five or so favorite records ever, so I'm going to either have to find someone that wants the vinyl only, or who wants to sell their bluray out of their set.
I'm in the same boat. I want the 5.1 mixes, but shelling out a couple hundred bucks for a super-deluxe package -- most of which I really don't want -- is a deal-breaker. How do they not understand that some people want the Blu-ray but not all the other stuff?
Rush has always been a greatest hits band for me. I've had the Spirit of Radio 74-87 Greatest Hits cd for the last 15 years and felt it was enough and I love a lot of the songs on that compilation.
Last week, I watched Beyond the Lighted Stage and just felt the urge to really explore their discography.
So far, I've checked out everything from Test For Echo onwards (I used to have Test For Echo when it came out, but sold it since I was into far heavier stuff then) - Test For Echo, Vapor Trails (remix), Snakes & Arrows & Clockwork Angels. I'm really enjoying them all, Vapor Trails the most so far.
Also working on 2112 and a few live ones (Exit Stage Left, Time Machine).
Other than Moving Pictures, is anything else considered essential? Are any of the live discs better than the others?
Rush has always been a greatest hits band for me. I've had the Spirit of Radio 74-87 Greatest Hits cd for the last 15 years and felt it was enough and I love a lot of the songs on that compilation.
Last week, I watched Beyond the Lighted Stage and just felt the urge to really explore their discography.
So far, I've checked out everything from Test For Echo onwards (I used to have Test For Echo when it came out, but sold it since I was into far heavier stuff then) - Test For Echo, Vapor Trails (remix), Snakes & Arrows & Clockwork Angels. I'm really enjoying them all, Vapor Trails the most so far.
Also working on 2112 and a few live ones (Exit Stage Left, Time Machine).
Other than Moving Pictures, is anything else considered essential? Are any of the live discs better than the others?
Rush has always been a greatest hits band for me. I've had the Spirit of Radio 74-87 Greatest Hits cd for the last 15 years and felt it was enough and I love a lot of the songs on that compilation.
Last week, I watched Beyond the Lighted Stage and just felt the urge to really explore their discography.
So far, I've checked out everything from Test For Echo onwards (I used to have Test For Echo when it came out, but sold it since I was into far heavier stuff then) - Test For Echo, Vapor Trails (remix), Snakes & Arrows & Clockwork Angels. I'm really enjoying them all, Vapor Trails the most so far.
Also working on 2112 and a few live ones (Exit Stage Left, Time Machine).
Other than Moving Pictures, is anything else considered essential? Are any of the live discs better than the others?
There's the fourth, I-don't-know-what-to-call-it* segment: Presto - A Test For Echo, capped off with Different Stages
Asking Rush fans which albums are "essential" is likely to get you the entire catalog.
I don't mind the synth era (and absolutely love Subdivisions) but I did sample Power Windows and pretty much agree that it seems like the album has a few songs I like and the rest didn't grab me right away. Lots of sampling ahead! :metal
See, that's the problem for me; i was able to get 5.1 versions of 2112, Moving Pictures and Farewell to Kings (albeit not the Wilson versions) outside of the "super duper deluxe", but not so with Hemispheres. Hemispheres is one of my five or so favorite records ever, so I'm going to either have to find someone that wants the vinyl only, or who wants to sell their bluray out of their set.
I'm in the same boat. I want the 5.1 mixes, but shelling out a couple hundred bucks for a super-deluxe package -- most of which I really don't want -- is a deal-breaker. How do they not understand that some people want the Blu-ray but not all the other stuff?
Silly boy, they obviously know that, which is why they do it this way.
It's all fucking marketing, using the highly prized item as a boxset exclusive to get more sales out of it.
See, that's the problem for me; i was able to get 5.1 versions of 2112, Moving Pictures and Farewell to Kings (albeit not the Wilson versions) outside of the "super duper deluxe", but not so with Hemispheres. Hemispheres is one of my five or so favorite records ever, so I'm going to either have to find someone that wants the vinyl only, or who wants to sell their bluray out of their set.
I'm in the same boat. I want the 5.1 mixes, but shelling out a couple hundred bucks for a super-deluxe package -- most of which I really don't want -- is a deal-breaker. How do they not understand that some people want the Blu-ray but not all the other stuff?
Silly boy, they obviously know that, which is why they do it this way.
It's all fucking marketing, using the highly prized item as a boxset exclusive to get more sales out of it.
Assuming you're not being sarcastic, I have to say that that's just a stupid business model. And I would say that even if I wasn't pissed off about their stupid business model.
Yes, there will be people who drop $150 (or whatever) for the super-deluxe package. But there's gotta be 10x or 20x as many people who'd buy the Blu-ray. Aren't there? That would more than make up for the smaller margin.
Rush fans are nerds, most of them techno-nerds. Maybe I'm the odd one, but I just assumed that most people who are serious at all about music have 5.1 audio at home by now. I've had Blu-ray in the house for over 10 years myself; I'm going on my third player. Isn't that pretty much the norm?
Dude really? Movies on DVD and BluRay have been in 5.1 audio for almost 20 years as a standard. You don't know what 5.1 audio is?
5.1 Surround sound is you have 6 completely separate channels of audio. Right front, left front, center, right rear, and left rear (that's your 5) and a bass channel just for the subwoofer (that's the .1).
As for music, I'm sure surround sound is great, but I would imagine to really enjoy it, I'd have to be sitting in the sweet spot of a room.
I got two of SW's XTC 5.1's a few months back and they sound great. I had a few quibbles, but overall he did an outstanding job.
How you listen to music is your gig. But there are some HUGE misconceptions here. One, $$$. You can do surround for as little as $250 (extra) maybe less.
I never really saw the point in listening to music in 5.1 or 7.1 or whatever. I can see for movies why it is necessary. I just prefer listening to music in stereo, kind of like when you see a band live. I do like the the old school four speaker outputs where you can have front and back, or just double up the front speakers by mounting the B speaker up high above the mains. That makes for a really great in home concert experience watching live dvd's/blu-ray's.. :metal
I never really saw the point in listening to music in 5.1 or 7.1 or whatever. I can see for movies why it is necessary. I just prefer listening to music in stereo, kind of like when you see a band live. I do like the the old school four speaker outputs where you can have front and back, or just double up the front speakers by mounting the B speaker up high above the mains. That makes for a really great in home concert experience watching live dvd's/blu-ray's.. :metal
I never really saw the point in listening to music in 5.1 or 7.1 or whatever. I can see for movies why it is necessary. I just prefer listening to music in stereo, kind of like when you see a band live. I do like the the old school four speaker outputs where you can have front and back, or just double up the front speakers by mounting the B speaker up high above the mains. That makes for a really great in home concert experience watching live dvd's/blu-ray's.. :metal
I don't have 5.1 (which is odd since I have two surround sound sets in boxes) but for some music they make sense, and for some it seems a little needless. A typical rock band? Nah. But a band with a lot of soundscapes? It's cool what you can do with surround sound in that sense. I don't need to hear Metallica in 5.1, but I'd love to hear Ayreon or even some DT in surround sound.
Good point! If the music has alot of interesting dynamics, then I can see why.
I definitely see your point. I have heard music on surround sound systems at friends places etc and wasn't too impressed. But they weren't high quality systems and they likely had it on the wrong setting.I never really saw the point in listening to music in 5.1 or 7.1 or whatever. I can see for movies why it is necessary. I just prefer listening to music in stereo, kind of like when you see a band live. I do like the the old school four speaker outputs where you can have front and back, or just double up the front speakers by mounting the B speaker up high above the mains. That makes for a really great in home concert experience watching live dvd's/blu-ray's.. :metal
That's just it, though; for me, in a lot of ways, 5.1 is far more representative of a "live" show. Crowd in back, amps to the right, amps to the left, drums up the middle, vocals on the PA... you can generate that on a two channel system, for sure (I've heard it) but if you're going to pay for a system that can accomodate that sound field so precisely, you're paying MORE than you would for 5.1, and with a 5.1 system you can still have your cake and eat it too (I can play any CD - or DVD for that matter) in a 2.0 environment.
Asking Rush fans which albums are "essential" is likely to get you the entire catalog.
I had a feeling that would be the case, given the number of different eras that they have had across their career. Great advice from everyone, especially Stadler's breakdown. That's definitely helpful.
I don't mind the synth era (and absolutely love Subdivisions) but I did sample Power Windows and pretty much agree that it seems like the album has a few songs I like and the rest didn't grab me right away. Lots of sampling ahead! :metal
Not really a 5.1 guy either. (Although I have do have some, mostly Rush.)
I used to have a fairly cheap set up about 10 years ago, but I wasn't all impressed with it. Full disclosure -- I'm not really a movie guy in any Special Effects kind of way either so I'm sure that has something to do with it. I only have a few dozen of what I consider to be essential movies.
Have a cheap Bluray player for my Rush DVDs, but I'm just as happy to watch the regular DVDs. I probably watch concert DVDs more than most. (Last weekend I had a mini-Flying Colors festival and watched their 2 DVDs back to back.) Love DVD audio too when it's done right.
I guess it's odd that I seems to care more about how music sounds (mastering, dynamics,etc...) in stereo than how it might look on DVD/Bluray/5.1.
I got two of SW's XTC 5.1's a few months back and they sound great. I had a few quibbles, but overall he did an outstanding job.
Skylarking sounds even more beautiful in 5.1.
Not really a 5.1 guy either. (Although I have do have some, mostly Rush.)
I used to have a fairly cheap set up about 10 years ago, but I wasn't all impressed with it. Full disclosure -- I'm not really a movie guy in any Special Effects kind of way either so I'm sure that has something to do with it. I only have a few dozen of what I consider to be essential movies.
Have a cheap Bluray player for my Rush DVDs, but I'm just as happy to watch the regular DVDs. I probably watch concert DVDs more than most. (Last weekend I had a mini-Flying Colors festival and watched their 2 DVDs back to back.) Love DVD audio too when it's done right.
I guess it's odd that I seems to care more about how music sounds (mastering, dynamics,etc...) in stereo than how it might look on DVD/Bluray/5.1.
Sadly, though, as a band, Rush is about the worst 5.1 I've experienced. I don't know why that is, though I will say I had really high hopes for the Moving Pictures. The only ones that really grabbed me were AFTK and FBN and even they pale in comparison to the Crimson and Genesis stuff.
I'm not sure what you mean by "how it might look on DVD"; is that a typo? Because if you care about "mastering" and "dynamics", the same things apply in 5.1 as 2.0, it's just a "deeper" sound field.
Not really a 5.1 guy either. (Although I have do have some, mostly Rush.)
I used to have a fairly cheap set up about 10 years ago, but I wasn't all impressed with it. Full disclosure -- I'm not really a movie guy in any Special Effects kind of way either so I'm sure that has something to do with it. I only have a few dozen of what I consider to be essential movies.
Have a cheap Bluray player for my Rush DVDs, but I'm just as happy to watch the regular DVDs. I probably watch concert DVDs more than most. (Last weekend I had a mini-Flying Colors festival and watched their 2 DVDs back to back.) Love DVD audio too when it's done right.
I guess it's odd that I seems to care more about how music sounds (mastering, dynamics,etc...) in stereo than how it might look on DVD/Bluray/5.1.
Sadly, though, as a band, Rush is about the worst 5.1 I've experienced. I don't know why that is, though I will say I had really high hopes for the Moving Pictures. The only ones that really grabbed me were AFTK and FBN and even they pale in comparison to the Crimson and Genesis stuff.
I'm not sure what you mean by "how it might look on DVD"; is that a typo? Because if you care about "mastering" and "dynamics", the same things apply in 5.1 as 2.0, it's just a "deeper" sound field.
May have said this before, but Geddy and Alex have said they didn't want aggressive mixes of the music in 5.1. Of course these comments were made as recently as 10 years ago so their point of view may have changed, but that would explain why there's not a lot going on in Rush 5.1 land.
Not a typo, I was talking about how much better the picture looks or is cleaned up. Perhaps "mastering" was the wrong word in this case. Though I might consider myself an audiophile (and I'm still not sure that I do) I don't have that same standard visually with how things look on Bluray. DVD is enough of a visual standard for me. (I guess that's similar to the way a lot of people don't really care how things sound as long as it isn't bad.)
I might be interested in 5.1 music IF the music was written with 5.1 in mind, but that would disqualify most of recorded history. Is there any new music that sounds good in 5.1 that was released in the last 10 years?
May have said this before, but Geddy and Alex have said they didn't want aggressive mixes of the music in 5.1. Of course these comments were made as recently as 10 years ago so their point of view may have changed, but that would explain why there's not a lot going on in Rush 5.1 land.
May have said this before, but Geddy and Alex have said they didn't want aggressive mixes of the music in 5.1. Of course these comments were made as recently as 10 years ago so their point of view may have changed, but that would explain why there's not a lot going on in Rush 5.1 land.
This is new to me. Or if I'd heard it before, I'd forgotten it. By "aggressive mixes" I'm assuming they mean taking the 2.0 mix and really re-working it for 5.1, which many would consider the whole point.
I consider the intro to YYZ somewhat gimmicky, but it's a one-off and within the spirit of the composition. It's the 2-D version of the original stereo panning. Someone upthread pointed out a similar moment on The Yes Album where Steve's stereo panning gets the same treatment. Rather than bouncing between left and right, it's bouncing around all four corners of the room.
Other than a few moments like that, I suppose all they were after was some more space, some ambience in the rear channels, something a bit more like a live 2.0 rather than full immersion. If that's what they were after, then they succeeded. The Rush 5.1 discs are not "aggressive mixes". But that's exactly what has led some to wonder why they even bother.
Even early Rush had a lot of layers sometimes, and I for one was looking forward to hearing better separation. Yeah, it's great when there are several guitar parts and a few keyboard parts all mixing together to make a glorious soundscape. Good stuff. But as a musician, I also like it when I can pick out the individual parts. The keys are playing the same chords as the one guitar, only inverted; the other guitar is using a different picking pattern that accents certain notes in the melody; there's an acoustic guitar in there! I love hearing stuff like that. Spread things out, and you can both hear the individual parts and how they all fit together. I'm not sure why a band would be categorically opposed to that.
just leaving some pictures here of my Saturday trip:Rodrigo - sooooooooo jealous of you!!! What an amazing experience! Only thing that disappoints me is that you didn't check with the forum here to see what kind of questions we wanted you to ask them! :biggrin:
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It was a private event called Grapes Under Pressure. 150 people on a train to a winery with Geddy and Alex. They were very kind, approachable and chatty. We took pictures with them, chatted for a while, and after lunch Geddy walked around everybody's tables. I tol him I loved his solo album too, and he hugged me and said "bless your heart, man!". My favourite Alex moment was when I told him I went to the Rush in Rio show and sang YYZ. He said "you were at THAT show I'll never forget that, man!". Gave me chills!
The gift basket of the event included a bottle of wine from Peller Estates, with the label signed by the band.
So Tempus Vox is really Rodrigo Atlaf?
Not really a 5.1 guy either. (Although I have do have some, mostly Rush.)
I used to have a fairly cheap set up about 10 years ago, but I wasn't all impressed with it. Full disclosure -- I'm not really a movie guy in any Special Effects kind of way either so I'm sure that has something to do with it. I only have a few dozen of what I consider to be essential movies.
Have a cheap Bluray player for my Rush DVDs, but I'm just as happy to watch the regular DVDs. I probably watch concert DVDs more than most. (Last weekend I had a mini-Flying Colors festival and watched their 2 DVDs back to back.) Love DVD audio too when it's done right.
I guess it's odd that I seems to care more about how music sounds (mastering, dynamics,etc...) in stereo than how it might look on DVD/Bluray/5.1.
Sadly, though, as a band, Rush is about the worst 5.1 I've experienced. I don't know why that is, though I will say I had really high hopes for the Moving Pictures. The only ones that really grabbed me were AFTK and FBN and even they pale in comparison to the Crimson and Genesis stuff.
I'm not sure what you mean by "how it might look on DVD"; is that a typo? Because if you care about "mastering" and "dynamics", the same things apply in 5.1 as 2.0, it's just a "deeper" sound field.
May have said this before, but Geddy and Alex have said they didn't want aggressive mixes of the music in 5.1. Of course these comments were made as recently as 10 years ago so their point of view may have changed, but that would explain why there's not a lot going on in Rush 5.1 land.
Not a typo, I was talking about how much better the picture looks or is cleaned up. Perhaps "mastering" was the wrong word in this case. Though I might consider myself an audiophile (and I'm still not sure that I do) I don't have that same standard visually with how things look on Bluray. DVD is enough of a visual standard for me. (I guess that's similar to the way a lot of people don't really care how things sound as long as it isn't bad.)
I might be interested in 5.1 music IF the music was written with 5.1 in mind, but that would disqualify most of recorded history. Is there any new music that sounds good in 5.1 that was released in the last 10 years?
Haha, you can try Zaireeka by The Flaming Lips. :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaireeka
In all seriousness, though, their The Soft Bulletin and Yoshi... albums are just beautiful in 5.1.
Rolling Stone interview with Geddy (primarily concerning Hemispheres): https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/rush-geddy-lee-interview-prog-rock-hemispheres-738828/
Rolling Stone interview with Geddy (primarily concerning Hemispheres): https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/rush-geddy-lee-interview-prog-rock-hemispheres-738828/
I saw this earlier. Good read!
I'd love to hear the story on Alex's finger injury due to a "bedroom accident." :lol :lol
Rolling Stone interview with Geddy (primarily concerning Hemispheres): https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/rush-geddy-lee-interview-prog-rock-hemispheres-738828/
I saw this earlier. Good read!
I'd love to hear the story on Alex's finger injury due to a "bedroom accident." :lol :lol
In 10 days, My Favorite Headache will have been release 18 years ago exactly.
I was a little late in doing it, but I did finally pre-order my Hemispheres boxed set.
Like others, I'm pretty disappointed that we didn't get a full show from the Hemispheres tour, but the 5.1 BluRay and all the added goodies will hopefully make up for it.
I was at the Pink Pop festival in 1979. My first Rush concert, didn't miss a Rush concert after that one in Holland. :metal
(btw: I have a DVD with footage from that concert, have to look it up, forgot the title)
MH
Really? I get the last 2 80's albums being meh. But Signals, Grace Under Pressure, and Power Windows are all solid releases. Not every song is top notch, but over all, I feel they're more hit than miss.
What’s everyone’s take on 80’s Rush? I’ve been listening through the whole discography and everything past moving pictures is really forgettable. There are a few gems here and there but it’s largely bad imo.
Really? I get the last 2 80's albums being meh. But Signals, Grace Under Pressure, and Power Windows are all solid releases. Not every song is top notch, but over all, I feel they're more hit than miss.
HAHAHA, that's so cute how you included Grace Under Pressure in that. I suppose since Signals is so awesome, that's the "hit" and p/g is the "miss"?
I think my issue with is I’ve been listening to the albums back to back to back which has given me a bit synth overload.
I also think it’s because of when I got into Rush which was around 10 years ago. My favorite album is snakes and arrows.
The 80's era is my favorite era of the band. Presto was the first Rush album I ever purchased, and the A Show of Hands concert video was my first real exposure to the band back when I was a kid. For the whole decade, I rank them currently as follows:
Moving Pictures
Power Windows
Permanent Waves
Presto
Signals
Grace Under Pressure
Hold Your Fire
I love all of these albums though.
Grace Under Pressure
Moving Pictures
Permanent Waves
Power Windows
Presto
Hold Your Fire
Signals (as much as I love it, I love the others a little more)
I think my issue with is I’ve been listening to the albums back to back to back which has given me a bit synth overload.
I also think it’s because of when I got into Rush which was around 10 years ago. My favorite album is snakes and arrows.
Lol yea snakes and arrows is their best album by far IMO.
Levity aside, that was the beauty of Rush: any album can be someone's favorite. Well, except for Test for Echo. If that is someone's favorite, they would dethrone TAC for having the most bizarre opinions on the forum. ;)
Levity aside, that was the beauty of Rush: any album can be someone's favorite. Well, except for Test for Echo. If that is someone's favorite, they would dethrone TAC for having the most bizarre opinions on the forum. ;)
I'm here ain't I??
What’s everyone’s take on 80’s Rush? I’ve been listening through the whole discography and everything past moving pictures is really forgettable. There are a few gems here and there but it’s largely bad imo.
You are broken pg1067.
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I searched in general music, and how in the flying F is there no RUSH thread on this board. There has to be. And if not, here it is. And if so, please move this damn post.
Anyway, was listening to Counterparts today, and man, that album is sorely underappreciated. I never see much mention of it, but what a solid record from top to bottom. It absolutely felt current for the time period 1993, but with that Rush stamp on it all the way. It's probably one of my most listened to Rush albums, now that I think about it.
Counterparts felt organic. It's everything that the DT fabs want to hear from DT. It was airy, instruments breath and well balanced.
Presto and Clockwork Angels are my favorite post-80's, but Counterparts is a good album. Cut to the Chase is one of Rush's most underrated songs imo, great shredding Alex solo too! Double Agent and Everyday Glory are awesome songs.
"Stick it Out" would almost sound better performed by Soundgarden..lol
Ah, Abbey Road remasters for the win! The album sounds so good.
Listened to Xanadu from the Pinkpop show through headphones and it's a little disconcerting. The mix is strange. Geddy's bass is pretty much solely right channel. Makes me feel like something's wrong with my left ear. Alex is balanced pretty well. Neil's snare sounds terrible. Ged's vocals are pretty darn good.
All in all, pretty uneven mix but still pretty decent sound considering the time and the source. I think it might sound better without headphones.
Haven't really dug into the box yet. The book looks really nice with some great photos. I will probably spend some time giving it a good look on Saturday.
I'd still put up Vapor Trails, Snakes and Arrows and Clockwork Angels up against any three other albums. I think they are that good. Might even put Geddy's solo album in there too. Very listenable.
I'd still put up Vapor Trails, Snakes and Arrows and Clockwork Angels up against any three other albums. I think they are that good. Might even put Geddy's solo album in there too. Very listenable.
I'm shocked anyone would include VT on that list. There is some amazing stuff on that album, and the remix saves it a bit (even if it does take away some of the "teeth")...but there are quite a few duds on that album too. The other two are just front to back great. In fact, that's one of the things I really love about S&A and CA is that there's not a single track from either one that I don't enjoy.
Geddys Yodeling?? :lol Example please..
"The way out is the WAY-aye-aye - in". :lolGeddys Yodeling?? :lol Example please..
Needless to say, it's not actually "yodeling." It's that thing he started doing where his voice jumps by a significant interval and has a little "hiccup" when he does it. "Secret Touch" is a good example.
"The way out is the WAY-aye-aye - in". :lolGeddys Yodeling?? :lol Example please..
Needless to say, it's not actually "yodeling." It's that thing he started doing where his voice jumps by a significant interval and has a little "hiccup" when he does it. "Secret Touch" is a good example.
The oooooooooo’s on Earthshine even annoy the crap out of me, and I like his voice. Sounds like the Slim Whitman song that made all the aliens heads explode in Mars Attacks!Especially when they play it live, Geddy is faking singing that section as you can clearly tell those oooooo's are triggered or piped in. Geddys almost making fun of it onstage as he's nowhere near the microphone... R30, RIO..lol!
It's so odd how people view Rush. Add me to the group that really likes what they've done in the 21st century a great deal. I dig it way more than the Grace Under Pressure - Hold Your Fire, and arguably, better than Signals, with the exception of "Subdivisions."
I think Vapor Trails is a great record. Not perfect, that would eventually arrive in the form of Clockwork Angels, which I think is a perfect cap to their career.
I'd still put up Vapor Trails, Snakes and Arrows and Clockwork Angels up against any three other albums. I think they are that good. Might even put Geddy's solo album in there too. Very listenable.
I'm shocked anyone would include VT on that list. There is some amazing stuff on that album, and the remix saves it a bit (even if it does take away some of the "teeth")...but there are quite a few duds on that album too. The other two are just front to back great. In fact, that's one of the things I really love about S&A and CA is that there's not a single track from either one that I don't enjoy.
It's so odd how people view Rush. Add me to the group that really likes what they've done in the 21st century a great deal. I dig it way more than the Grace Under Pressure - Hold Your Fire, and arguably, better than Signals, with the exception of "Subdivisions."
I think Vapor Trails is a great record. Not perfect, that would eventually arrive in the form of Clockwork Angels, which I think is a perfect cap to their career.
Well...I agree that VT through CA is (slightly) better than GUP through HYF. It's certainly heavier, and a lot of the sounds on GUP through HYF haven't aged well at all. Also, there are at least three really good songs on each of the 21st Century albums, whereas there's almost nothing redeeming about HYF, and only GUP has as many as three songs that I would describe as "pretty good" or better.
We part company, however, with CA. I think it's definitely the worst of the three 21st Century albums and generally overrated by the fanbase.
I'd still put up Vapor Trails, Snakes and Arrows and Clockwork Angels up against any three other albums. I think they are that good. Might even put Geddy's solo album in there too. Very listenable.
I'm shocked anyone would include VT on that list. There is some amazing stuff on that album, and the remix saves it a bit (even if it does take away some of the "teeth")...but there are quite a few duds on that album too. The other two are just front to back great. In fact, that's one of the things I really love about S&A and CA is that there's not a single track from either one that I don't enjoy.
Vapor Trails succeeds for me in spite of the sonic disaster that it is. The songs are that good. (They really shine live.)
The remix was tinkered with by the engineer and the band signed off on it because they never look back. It might "sound better" in places but it isn't the raw opened wound that the original is. Still amazes me 16 years later.
Don't remember if I ever mentioned this here, but the 2013 remaster of Vapor Trails by Andy VanDette is my go-to for that album. It's much better than the original and miles better than the remix. It still has the balls attached to it and I can really hear the difference between it and the original. It's not perfect but it is far better than the remix.
The catch is that you can only get it from HD Tracks. It's worth it, in my opinion.
https://www.hdtracks.com/vapor-trails
Did anyone get tickets for Geddy's book signing event in Toronto on December 17th?
Don't remember if I ever mentioned this here, but the 2013 remaster of Vapor Trails by Andy VanDette is my go-to for that album. It's much better than the original and miles better than the remix. It still has the balls attached to it and I can really hear the difference between it and the original. It's not perfect but it is far better than the remix.
The catch is that you can only get it from HD Tracks. It's worth it, in my opinion.
https://www.hdtracks.com/vapor-trails
I completely agree. I think I’ve mentioned it several times in this thread so I won’t repeat it again, but this particular mix is my go to. More listenable than the original, still retains the aggression that got neutered in the remix.
The second time I saw Rush was the Moving Pictures tour, which had Max Webster opening. "Battlescar" was on radio every hour, and since both bands were present, we figured it was a no-brainer that they would perform the song together. Just the one song, like a special thing. Nope. Max Webster did the song "solo". Talk about a missed opportunity.
Geddy Lee: Neil Peart Hasn't Just Retired From Rush - He's Not Drumming Anymore (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/geddy_lee_neil_peart_hasnt_just_retired_from_rush_-_hes_not_drumming_anymore.html)
No it's not news, but it's always nice to read such respectful comments from Geddy.
This isn't new news. Neil has been steadfast that he's retired.
This isn't new news. Neil has been steadfast that he's retired.
Well I didn't know he stopped drumming completely. I just knew he didn't want to tour anymore, so that's news to me :P
Yeah, I agree with Zydar. I knew Rush was done, but I had no clue that Neil actually has stepped away from the drum kit completely. So that was new to me, too.This isn't new news. Neil has been steadfast that he's retired.
Well I didn't know he stopped drumming completely. I just knew he didn't want to tour anymore, so that's news to me :P
Neil walking away still able to do what he does at the level he expects from himself, is the dream of any professional musician or athlete. The fact he got to do it, on his own terms, is outstanding. And I really respect him for powering through, despite the physical demands, and giving us all what we expect from him on that last tour. He's earned his retirement, owes us nothing, and I for one, am happy he is pursuing the rest of his life.
Anxious to hear what Alex has been up to, and looking forward to the musical future of Geddy. :metal
A random curiosity: The Wikipedia article about Neil Peart states that, while living in London prior to joining Rush, Neil "pick[ed] up occasional session work." Anyone know if any of this "session work" ever led to something that was released commercially and, if so, what is it?The only thing I'm aware of is that JR Flood demo. But that was when he was in Canada.
I think I may have just found my new favorite Rush cover band. Although they do have some original songs as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laiHVeVPUWc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laiHVeVPUWc)
The vocalist is this band was born to sing Rush songs. Check out some of their live stuff as well.
I LOVE YYNOT! Rocky's voice is perfect for Rush, and the bass player has Geddy's tone and phrasing down pat. Check out their covers of Cygnus X-1 (both Books).
The two originals I've heard so far are not particularly Rush-like or proggy, but they're very good. I believe they have a couple shows coming up in Florida and have done some shows in Southern California. I missed a show last November but won't miss the next one.
That would be interesting to see, mostly because Rick Moranis is basically retired from acting, though he's been known to make an occassional appearance at things.
This event wasn't as good as the Grapes Under Pressure one. I felt a bit like cattle, with the bookstore staff hurrying us up...but still, it was worth it!
A random curiosity: The Wikipedia article about Neil Peart states that, while living in London prior to joining Rush, Neil "pick[ed] up occasional session work." Anyone know if any of this "session work" ever led to something that was released commercially and, if so, what is it?The only thing I'm aware of is that JR Flood demo. But that was when he was in Canada.
Neil walking away still able to do what he does at the level he expects from himself, is the dream of any professional musician or athlete. The fact he got to do it, on his own terms, is outstanding. And I really respect him for powering through, despite the physical demands, and giving us all what we expect from him on that last tour. He's earned his retirement, owes us nothing, and I for one, am happy he is pursuing the rest of his life.
Anxious to hear what Alex has been up to, and looking forward to the musical future of Geddy. :metal
That would be interesting to see, mostly because Rick Moranis is basically retired from acting, though he's been known to make an occassional appearance at things.
Didn't know that.
Not the best video but here it is...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhlhJNCh0ro
That would be interesting to see, mostly because Rick Moranis is basically retired from acting, though he's been known to make an occassional appearance at things.
Didn't know that.
Not the best video but here it is...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhlhJNCh0ro
That video was fun! I was grinning like an idiot through the whole thing.
Yeah, Rick Moranis' wife died of breast cancer in 1991, leaving Rick to raise the kids. He took a break from acting, then discovered that he didn't really miss it. He still does one-offs, voice work, and other various things, but is basically retired. He doesn't chase movie gigs or anything. He's a smart guy and I'm guessing he invested his earnings from SCTV and the movies he did and is set for life, barring any major tragedy.
In other news, although it appears to be just MP3s, here's the first major find in the Rush bootleg world in quite a while. Not usually a fan of Working Man, but this version without the "By-Tor" section is pretty sweet. Great performance overall too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU3uoG8nvV4
"Rush Fan Day" Book signing at the R&R Hall of fame with Geddy and Alex Sat, 19 Jan. Sounds like tickets on sale Fri, 11 Jan at rockhall.com (http://rockhall.com)
rushisaband announcement of event:
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2019/01/09/5205/Rush-Day-at-the-Rock-Hall-in-Cleveland-January-19th-including-a-Geddy-Lee-book-signing-and-interview-event-featuring-Alex-Lifeson (https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2019/01/09/5205/Rush-Day-at-the-Rock-Hall-in-Cleveland-January-19th-including-a-Geddy-Lee-book-signing-and-interview-event-featuring-Alex-Lifeson)
Geddy interview with Eddie Trunk announcing the event
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSCzfIXdfcU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSCzfIXdfcU)
(I remember Neil mentioning how they never played Jacob's Ladder live before R40 and that's clearly false).Exit Stage Left. ;)
This could be a good read. I'm a setlist nut for all bands I'm into, and Rush is one of the more frustrating simply due to the static/non-adventurous nature of their sets throughout the 80's and early 90's and the lack of info about their mid 70's sets. I'm more interested in reading about why the excluded a lot of songs from their live sets and never made an attempt to swap or rotate them. Or even what songs were considered but ultimately dropped for whatever reason.
Lamneth is certainly the biggest mystery of all. I just can't believe that a young band would release their first epic, generally a major accomplishment for any young band, and never reference or play any of it ever in a live show. I know they didn't do a full headline tour for CoS, but I can't believe they wouldn't at least throw in a part of the song. Or maybe they did and it's just never been recorded or noted anywhere. I bet the band themselves don't even remember if they played it (I remember Neil mentioning how they never played Jacob's Ladder live before R40 and that's clearly false).
New book coming in October that documents their entire touring history.
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2019/03/01/5228/New-book-Rush-Wandering-the-Face-of-the-Earth-The-Official-Touring-History-coming-in-October
Alex Lifeson, Geddy Lee, and Neil Peart performed together for the first time to an audience of 11,000 people in 1974. Forty years later, their last tour sold over 442,000 tickets. This is the story of everything in between. This is the story of Rush.
Fondly known as the Holy Triumvirate, Rush is one of the top bands to shine through rock-and-roll history. Wandering the Face of the Earth covers Rush's storied touring career, from their humble beginnings as a Toronto-area bar band playing middle school gymnasiums to their rise as one of the world's most sought-after live acts, selling out massive arenas around the globe. This book includes every setlist, every opening act, and every noteworthy moment meticulously researched and vetted by the band themselves. This is THE must-have tour compendium for Rush fans.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51hQLl1GGXL._SX376_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
It says that this was researched by the guys at PW. And I LOVE that tourography at the PW site. But isn't that still a bit incomplete?
Last I checked, there were some questions about the "Down the Tobes" tour. I'm pretty sure they confirmed that there was definitely a headlining show on that tour....and it would seem reasonable that they may have played the full Fountain of Lamneth at such a show, but apparently not even the band themselves can confirm that. Again...the last time I looked into it.
Lamneth is certainly the biggest mystery of all. I just can't believe that a young band would release their first epic, generally a major accomplishment for any young band, and never reference or play any of it ever in a live show. I know they didn't do a full headline tour for CoS, but I can't believe they wouldn't at least throw in a part of the song. Or maybe they did and it's just never been recorded or noted anywhere. I bet the band themselves don't even remember if they played it (I remember Neil mentioning how they never played Jacob's Ladder live before R40 and that's clearly false).
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2019/03/01/5228/New-book-Rush-Wandering-the-Face-of-the-Earth-The-Official-Touring-History-coming-in-October
Fondly known as the Holy Triumvirate,
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2019/03/01/5228/New-book-Rush-Wandering-the-Face-of-the-Earth-The-Official-Touring-History-coming-in-October
Fondly known as the Holy Triumvirate,
I'm not the hugest Rush fan ever - I only have every album, four copies of 2112 and three of A Farewell To Kings, and seen them four times live - I'm forced to admit that I have never heard of them referred to as "the Holy Triumvirate", and I know for sure that I never referred to them that way myself. Is this a thing?
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2019/03/01/5228/New-book-Rush-Wandering-the-Face-of-the-Earth-The-Official-Touring-History-coming-in-October
Fondly known as the Holy Triumvirate,
I'm not the hugest Rush fan ever - I only have every album, four copies of 2112 and three of A Farewell To Kings, and seen them four times live - I'm forced to admit that I have never heard of them referred to as "the Holy Triumvirate", and I know for sure that I never referred to them that way myself. Is this a thing?
It's not, no. I am sure we can find some random person online over the years who has referred to them as that, but generally speaking, they are almost never called that.
Rush
@rushtheband
Prog-rock trio composed of Geddy Lee, Alex Lifeson, and Neil Peart. Otherwise known as the Holy Triumvirate.
I don't care either way. I'm just saying I never heard nor read it. They've always had a sense of humor.
You know Dirk, Brad Pitt & The Professor.
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2019/03/01/5228/New-book-Rush-Wandering-the-Face-of-the-Earth-The-Official-Touring-History-coming-in-October
Fondly known as the Holy Triumvirate,
I'm not the hugest Rush fan ever - I only have every album, four copies of 2112 and three of A Farewell To Kings, and seen them four times live - I'm forced to admit that I have never heard of them referred to as "the Holy Triumvirate", and I know for sure that I never referred to them that way myself. Is this a thing?
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2019/03/01/5228/New-book-Rush-Wandering-the-Face-of-the-Earth-The-Official-Touring-History-coming-in-October
Fondly known as the Holy Triumvirate,
I'm not the hugest Rush fan ever - I only have every album, four copies of 2112 and three of A Farewell To Kings, and seen them four times live - I'm forced to admit that I have never heard of them referred to as "the Holy Triumvirate", and I know for sure that I never referred to them that way myself. Is this a thing?
When I talk about Rush with people, I sometimes call them the holy trinity... Not sure though if I invented that or if I heard it somewhere :D
I agree. They seem like the last guys to seriously put themselves on a pedestal. Jokingly maybe, but not seriously.
Rush fans, however, can get completely carried away, and this sounds 100% like a fan thing.
They mock themselves. They mock themselves on stage, in print and in interviews. Whoever runs their site took that moniker and put it on the website.
They mock themselves. They mock themselves on stage, in print and in interviews. Whoever runs their site took that moniker and put it on the website.
They mock themselves. They mock themselves on stage, in print and in interviews. Whoever runs their site took that moniker and put it on the website.
It may not be on you tube anymore, but did you ever see the clip of Alex around the campfire lampooning 2112? Think it was put up by a relative but it may have been taken down.
They mock themselves. They mock themselves on stage, in print and in interviews. Whoever runs their site took that moniker and put it on the website.
It may not be on you tube anymore, but did you ever see the clip of Alex around the campfire lampooning 2112? Think it was put up by a relative but it may have been taken down.
Oh hell yes I saw it. They take their music seriously but everything else was fair game.
They mock themselves. They mock themselves on stage, in print and in interviews. Whoever runs their site took that moniker and put it on the website.
It may not be on you tube anymore, but did you ever see the clip of Alex around the campfire lampooning 2112? Think it was put up by a relative but it may have been taken down.
Oh hell yes I saw it. They take their music seriously but everything else was fair game.
Wouldn't say it was the funniest thing I ever saw but it was pretty funny.
So I was going through my old RUSH vinyl albums the other day and noticed some are missing. I would like to replace them with the best quality available. It seems some 200gram remaster vinyls were put out in 2015. Does anyone have any first hand comments on these or any other ones I should look at? I'm looking to replace Exit..,Signals, GUP and Presto right now.
Thanks
Frogprog
So I was going through my old RUSH vinyl albums the other day and noticed some are missing. I would like to replace them with the best quality available. It seems some 200gram remaster vinyls were put out in 2015. Does anyone have any first hand comments on these or any other ones I should look at? I'm looking to replace Exit..,Signals, GUP and Presto right now.
Thanks
Frogprog
The 2015 remasters from Abbey Road by Sean Magee are stellar. If I am not mistaken, the 2015's were initially solely for vinyl and HD audio. Only a handful of those have even seen CD release (2112 - Hemispheres). I have actually filled out everything from the debut up to 2112 with the HD Tracks versions of those Abbey Road remasters because they are so good.
Several of us here have raved about those. Just make sure they are the Abbey Road's and you won't regret it.
Found a snippet about the 2015's:
[album] was remastered for vinyl in 2015 by Sean Magee at Abbey Road Studios as a part of the official "12 Months of Rush" promotion. The high definition master prepared for this release was also made available for purchase in 24-bit/96 kHz and 24-bit/192 kHz formats, at several high-resolution audio online music stores. These masters have significantly less dynamic range compression than the 1997 remasters and the "Sector" remasters by Andy VanDette.
Yes, Professor, I think the Abbey Road vinyls are what I have my eye on. Thanks for the input!
On a side note, I gave a spin to PW, which is one of my favs just because of how into Rush I was when it came out and seeing the tour 3x etc. I couldn't believe how flimsy the original lp was. What did they use, 20 gram vinyl?!
Yes, Professor, I think the Abbey Road vinyls are what I have my eye on. Thanks for the input!
On a side note, I gave a spin to PW, which is one of my favs just because of how into Rush I was when it came out and seeing the tour 3x etc. I couldn't believe how flimsy the original lp was. What did they use, 20 gram vinyl?!
No guarantee that just because something is mastered on 180 or 200 gram vinyl that it will sound better or even good,
I always thought the advantage to a heavier grade of vinyl was that it was less likely to bend or warp over time. It sounds better 10 or 20 years later because it still plays; the lightweight shit was worn out and tossed a long time ago, thus there is literally no comparison.This is pretty much it. A lot of the older stuff from 30+ years ago was on really lightweight vinyl and a lot of the time the quality suffers over time because of warping. Heavier vinyl isn't necessarily going to sound better (that's entirely depending on the recording and mixing/mastering), but it will sound its best for much longer.
I always thought the advantage to a heavier grade of vinyl was that it was less likely to bend or warp over time. It sounds better 10 or 20 years later because it still plays; the lightweight shit was worn out and tossed a long time ago, thus there is literally no comparison.
Cinema Strangiato trailer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jow3-DVntj8&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0vO76yLwxFkcwJi1fByWTHHLgN1zfuIrGNKynYdbC4z3pir4GdZ4nEQrE
Damn this is showing the week I'm getting married, I don't think I'll be able to see it.
Damn this is showing the week I'm getting married, I don't think I'll be able to see it.
I started watching Time Stand Still this afternoon and what a great documentary, I'm going to catch the second half tonight
Going to Cinema Strangiato tonight! :corn
It was really cool. Distant Early Warning sounded awesome (Stadler's wrong about Grace Under Pressure).Indeed. In fact, I'm going to listen to that album right now. :metal
It was really cool. Distant Early Warning sounded awesome (Stadler's wrong about Grace Under Pressure).
Overall I had a good time and was really pleased to get an excerpt from Cygnus X1:Book 2. It's easy to see why their set list went backwards through the discography. The concert ending was electric for the fans in attendance. Very entertaining to watch.
Some gripes that aren't really important, so I'll just give the experience a :tup and leave it at that.
Definitely reading too much into it. :) For all I know, Stadler may love Distant Early Warning anyway and think the rest of the album is bad. :P (He's still wrong).It was really cool. Distant Early Warning sounded awesome (Stadler's wrong about Grace Under Pressure).
Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but what does the sound of a song performed in 2015, as depicted in a film in 2019, have to do with the quality of an album released in 1984?
I have mixed feelings, and part of those feelings come from my own failure to look into exactly what we were getting from CS. One one hand, Rush concert footage rarely disappoints, and seeing the footage on a big screen and with high quality audio was great. I also haven't gotten around to buying the R40 video, so I hadn't seen any of the concert footage before (although I did attend the August 1, 2015 show). On the other hand, I would have preferred some more backstage stuff and really could have done without some of the screwball comedy stuff (the Trailer Trash Boys or whatever they're called and that silly stuff about sausage that they used during intermissions at concerts).
Anyone happen to know how far down the Hemispheres prelude was tuned? A half- or full step isn't usually noticeable, but that sounded like at least a couple steps and was really noticeable/distracting.
Definitely reading too much into it. :) For all I know, Stadler may love Distant Early Warning anyway and think the rest of the album is bad. :P (He's still wrong).It was really cool. Distant Early Warning sounded awesome (Stadler's wrong about Grace Under Pressure).
Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but what does the sound of a song performed in 2015, as depicted in a film in 2019, have to do with the quality of an album released in 1984?
The production and instrumentation only really work for Between the Wheels and The Enemy Within. Those are my favorite songs by a pretty wide margin. DEW and Kid Gloves are next, and I'll almost never listen to anything else. The recent live versions of Red Sector A are MILES better.I think it works on Distant Early Warning too though.
How much did he charge you to take that picture?
It was really cool. Distant Early Warning sounded awesome (Stadler's wrong about Grace Under Pressure).
Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but what does the sound of a song performed in 2015, as depicted in a film in 2019, have to do with the quality of an album released in 1984?Overall I had a good time and was really pleased to get an excerpt from Cygnus X1:Book 2. It's easy to see why their set list went backwards through the discography. The concert ending was electric for the fans in attendance. Very entertaining to watch.
Some gripes that aren't really important, so I'll just give the experience a :tup and leave it at that.
I have mixed feelings, and part of those feelings come from my own failure to look into exactly what we were getting from CS. One one hand, Rush concert footage rarely disappoints, and seeing the footage on a big screen and with high quality audio was great. I also haven't gotten around to buying the R40 video, so I hadn't seen any of the concert footage before (although I did attend the August 1, 2015 show). On the other hand, I would have preferred some more backstage stuff and really could have done without some of the screwball comedy stuff (the Trailer Trash Boys or whatever they're called and that silly stuff about sausage that they used during intermissions at concerts).
Anyone happen to know how far down the Hemispheres prelude was tuned? A half- or full step isn't usually noticeable, but that sounded like at least a couple steps and was really noticeable/distracting.
How much did he charge you to take that picture?
Looks like there's about 30 minutes (Geddy's Bass Discussion (should have been much longer) Jacob's Ladder soundcheck, Losing it and Alex's song at the end) that would make me want to buy the DVD. Most of the rest of it is on the last several live DVDs already.
I guess not a lot of people who went to see this have that stuff so it may have been more worthwhile.
Looks like there's about 30 minutes (Geddy's Bass Discussion (should have been much longer) Jacob's Ladder soundcheck, Losing it and Alex's song at the end) that would make me want to buy the DVD. Most of the rest of it is on the last several live DVDs already.
I guess not a lot of people who went to see this have that stuff so it may have been more worthwhile.
I haven't gotten around to buying R40, so the live footage was all new, and seeing it on the big screen was cool, but I was hoping for more "other" stuff. The bass discussion seemed like it was a commercial/preview and not part of the actual movie. I agree I'd have liked more of that. Alex's song at the end was terrible. I hung around through most of it in the hopes that there might be something "especially special" at the end of the credits, but alas....
Important thing to remember is that Geddy, Alex and Neil have largely disengaged from the Rush machine and have moved on. They may or may not even have sold off their ability to sign off on what assets they liquidated. I'm always factoring in that whenever something gets released now. Your mileage may vary.
Important thing to remember is that Geddy, Alex and Neil have largely disengaged from the Rush machine and have moved on. They may or may not even have sold off their ability to sign off on what assets they liquidated. I'm always factoring in that whenever something gets released now. Your mileage may vary.
Indeed...I assume this is all Ray Daniels' doing. That's not a negative or positive thing, and I'm definitely not one who cries foul about "cash grabs." There's been plenty of stuff released that I haven't bought.
I'd tend to agree with regard to what I got is lower, but I'm still interested in what gets released. I bought the AFTK deluxe edition because of the complete Hammersmith show and DT's cover of Xanadu and I like to think it's a good show and so I'm grateful it finally got released. (although I've been on record saying I'm not a fan of Neil's playing but rather his lyrics, either way, good show, grateful it got released entirely)
I just want the 5.1 mixes, frankly. I wish those were easier to get.yeah I can see why that is an issue to some
Not really a fan of the cover versions in general but I wouldn't minded if they just let Dream Theater cover the whole album.I personally thought Big Wreck's cover of "Closer To The Heart" was fantastic! They kept the Rush vibe but also made it sound like a Big Wreck song at points, which I'm a huge fan of theirs.
I don't think it occurred to bands at all that fans would use abbreviations to discuss albums someday.not back in the day, I'm sure.
I've always abbreviated them as PeW and PoW, but then again I typically don't use abbreviations so :dunno:
I've always abbreviated them as PeW and PoW, but then again I typically don't use abbreviations so :dunno:
This. In my early internet foruming days, I had joined the Counterparts message boards, and the accepted abbreviations for the albums were already PEW and POW.
Most of the other albums were easy to abbreviate if they had multiple words, like FBN, COS, AFTK, MP, GUP, HYF, RTB, TFE, VT, SA (or SAA, S&A, even SnA), and CA. One-word albums had shortened versions like HEMI, SIG, PRST (or PRES) and CP, with RUSH, 2112 staying the same.
Songs got a bit more complicated, but they were easy to decipher within context. But yeah, I'm pretty sure most bands don't think about how fans will refer to their works in abbreviated terms when it comes to naming their albums and songs.
-Marc.
But everybody knows it's not GUP. It's p/g.
Just like D/T
I've always abbreviated them as PeW and PoW, but then again I typically don't use abbreviations so :dunno:
This. In my early internet foruming days, I had joined the Counterparts message boards, and the accepted abbreviations for the albums were already PEW and POW.
Most of the other albums were easy to abbreviate if they had multiple words, like FBN, COS, AFTK, MP, GUP, HYF, RTB, TFE, VT, SA (or SAA, S&A, even SnA), and CA. One-word albums had shortened versions like HEMI, SIG, PRST (or PRES) and CP, with RUSH, 2112 staying the same.
Songs got a bit more complicated, but they were easy to decipher within context. But yeah, I'm pretty sure most bands don't think about how fans will refer to their works in abbreviated terms when it comes to naming their albums and songs.
-Marc.
But everybody knows it's not GUP. It's p/g.
Just like D/T
Who's "Ole"?
If someone wants to do something for the fans, releasing a full PW/MP era show for the 40th Anniversary of PW/MP/ESL would be awesome.
Today is Neil's 66th birthday!
Geddy wrote this on his Instagram:
"I've had the enduring and consummate pleasure of working beside this awesome dude for over 40 years, the bonus of which (aside from the laughs) was a nightly ringside seat to one of the greatest exhibitions of drumming imaginable... and now it’s time to wish our brother, bandmate and fellow comedian "Peke" a Most Supremely Happy Birthday !!"
If someone wants to do something for the fans, releasing a full PW/MP era show for the 40th Anniversary of PW/MP/ESL would be awesome.
Do we know that the band doesn't have a piece of "Ole"? I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it wasn't more of a "restructuring" than a buying out.
Today is Neil's 66th birthday!
Geddy wrote this on his Instagram:
"I've had the enduring and consummate pleasure of working beside this awesome dude for over 40 years, the bonus of which (aside from the laughs) was a nightly ringside seat to one of the greatest exhibitions of drumming imaginable... and now it’s time to wish our brother, bandmate and fellow comedian "Peke" a Most Supremely Happy Birthday !!"
Aaaaaaand another nickname surfaces.....
Today is Neil's 66th birthday!
Geddy wrote this on his Instagram:
"I've had the enduring and consummate pleasure of working beside this awesome dude for over 40 years, the bonus of which (aside from the laughs) was a nightly ringside seat to one of the greatest exhibitions of drumming imaginable... and now it’s time to wish our brother, bandmate and fellow comedian "Peke" a Most Supremely Happy Birthday !!"
Aaaaaaand another nickname surfaces.....
Yeah, but he'll always be the "new guy". :biggrin:
I’m meeting Geddy Lee at a book signing a week from tomorrow.
In a way, I’m super excited...but OTOH, I despise the assembly line method that are used in meet and greets these days. It’s literally the most impersonal way you could ever meet someone.
Anyone been to any of the book signings? Are they allowing people to bring anything else to sign?
You have to buy the book directly from the bookstore hosting the event. Can’t bring your own. If you buy the ticket for the event, and can’t make it, you still get the book signed (as long as there are quantities remaining). When Geddy signs the book, it is personalized. Not sure about the remaining stock. Also, no pictures will be allowed and no other memorabilia will be signed. I called the Austin bookstore for Monday’s event and that was their explanation. I can’t make it to signing event (so fucking pissed..last minute business trip). My wife says she can go to the event and get a signed copy. Not sure if I should bite the bullet and let her get it signed...wouldn’t feel special Lol.
What do you guys think? Should she get a book signed for me?
You have to buy the book directly from the bookstore hosting the event. Can’t bring your own. If you buy the ticket for the event, and can’t make it, you still get the book signed (as long as there are quantities remaining). When Geddy signs the book, it is personalized. Not sure about the remaining stock. Also, no pictures will be allowed and no other memorabilia will be signed. I called the Austin bookstore for Monday’s event and that was their explanation. I can’t make it to signing event (so fucking pissed..last minute business trip). My wife says she can go to the event and get a signed copy. Not sure if I should bite the bullet and let her get it signed...wouldn’t feel special Lol.
What do you guys think? Should she get a book signed for me?
I’m meeting Geddy Lee at a book signing a week from tomorrow.
In a way, I’m super excited...but OTOH, I despise the assembly line method that are used in meet and greets these days. It’s literally the most impersonal way you could ever meet someone.
Anyone been to any of the book signings? Are they allowing people to bring anything else to sign?
I’m meeting Geddy Lee at a book signing a week from tomorrow.
In a way, I’m super excited...but OTOH, I despise the assembly line method that are used in meet and greets these days. It’s literally the most impersonal way you could ever meet someone.
Anyone been to any of the book signings? Are they allowing people to bring anything else to sign?
I don't disagree about the assembly line thing, but I'm not sure how else they could do it and not have it result in chaos.
My understanding is that you get the book signed, and that's it. AND I believe you have to buy the book at the time of the signing (i.e., you can't bring a book that you already own and get it signed). I could be wrong about that, so maybe call the store in advance and ask.
You have to buy the book directly from the bookstore hosting the event. Can’t bring your own. If you buy the ticket for the event, and can’t make it, you still get the book signed (as long as there are quantities remaining). When Geddy signs the book, it is personalized. Not sure about the remaining stock. Also, no pictures will be allowed and no other memorabilia will be signed. I called the Austin bookstore for Monday’s event and that was their explanation. I can’t make it to signing event (so fucking pissed..last minute business trip). My wife says she can go to the event and get a signed copy. Not sure if I should bite the bullet and let her get it signed...wouldn’t feel special Lol.
What do you guys think? Should she get a book signed for me?
Staying with the book theme....Anyone else get their copy of Wandering The Face Of The Earth?
many happy returns then. Arr-40!Staying with the book theme....Anyone else get their copy of Wandering The Face Of The Earth?
My birthday was just over a week ago, so I generally don't buy things for myself between the beginning of October and Christmas. But it's on my Amazon wish list.
many happy returns then. Arr-40!Staying with the book theme....Anyone else get their copy of Wandering The Face Of The Earth?
My birthday was just over a week ago, so I generally don't buy things for myself between the beginning of October and Christmas. But it's on my Amazon wish list.
I would rather try and catch him on the street somewhere and just say thanks.
btw, I don't recall seeing it posted yet:
https://recordstoreday.com/SpecialRelease/11791
^^^ I just caught that; happy birthday!
I would rather try and catch him on the street somewhere and just say thanks.
btw, I don't recall seeing it posted yet:
https://recordstoreday.com/SpecialRelease/11791
Staying with the book theme....Anyone else get their copy of Wandering The Face Of The Earth?
My birthday was just over a week ago, so I generally don't buy things for myself between the beginning of October and Christmas. But it's on my Amazon wish list.
Staying with the book theme....Anyone else get their copy of Wandering The Face Of The Earth?
My birthday was just over a week ago, so I generally don't buy things for myself between the beginning of October and Christmas. But it's on my Amazon wish list.
Happy Birthday. I suppose it will be worth the wait, but I never do for stuff such as this (I did wait to get Geddy's book because I had to buy one for the signing which I assumed was going to happen.)
Didn't know they played with . . . Horselips in the '70s
Staying with the book theme....Anyone else get their copy of Wandering The Face Of The Earth?
My birthday was just over a week ago, so I generally don't buy things for myself between the beginning of October and Christmas. But it's on my Amazon wish list.
Happy Birthday. I suppose it will be worth the wait, but I never do for stuff such as this (I did wait to get Geddy's book because I had to buy one for the signing which I assumed was going to happen.)
Thanks!
I tried to buy the Book of Bass on Amazon last year, but it kept getting pushed back and pushed back, and they eventually cancelled the order. I haven't bought it since on the off chance he'll do another signing near me. One of these days when I get around to visiting Toronto, I intend to buy Blue Jays tickets in the area where GL has his seats. If that happens, maybe I'll bring the book and ask him to sign.Didn't know they played with . . . Horselips in the '70s
That's not a nice thing to say about Neil! Seriously...never heard of 'em.
Just a head's up - if you haven't seen the documentary "Masters of Resonance" which tells the story about DW Drums, and features Neil and the R40 kit, right now it's available for viewing on YouTube for free here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzt-PaR0XUw&feature=youtu.be
If you're only interested in Neil and the R40 kit, skip to about 40 minutes into the documentary.
Thought I didn't have a prayer to get the Record Store Day release of Ged's My Favourite Headache on vinyl, but I guess it didn't sell like I thought it would. Just picked up a sealed copy from a Mom and Pop shop on Discogs, sealed, for $35 shipped. Couldn't pass it up.
Will be a nice addition to my collection.
Really enjoyable documentary!
Wood, Drums, manufacturing, The Professor, people who do a really good job.... Now that's a feel good story for me!!
I'm listening to Hemispheres right now, on Repeat. On my second time through right now. ♫♫
Since many of us are re-listening to Rush lately, would anyone here be interested in a RUSH Survivor? I did one about 3-4 years ago, so it might be time to do it again.
-Marc.
Since many of us are re-listening to Rush lately, would anyone here be interested in a RUSH Survivor? I did one about 3-4 years ago, so it might be time to do it again.
-Marc.
Yes.
As long as Power Windows doesn't win!
What's a survivor?
Yeah but whenever I look there's like, 4 votes on any given poll, so I don't know how representative it is :lol
What's a survivor?
Not sure if serious? If so, it's like the show, but with songs. We vote out the songs one by one, in order to get a representative stack ranking of best-to-worst songs for each album. There's a whole sub-forum dedicated to it.
https://www.facebook.com/HeavyFknMetal/photos/a.1760794513967180/2717081838338438/?type=3&theater
I just commented under this post that this picture was not the last one of these three together, but was taken in 2006 or 07 during the making of Snakes & Arrows.
A few minutes later, my comment was gone and now I can't comment anymore, neither can I like the page, contact the page or do anything else.
I can't believe shitty pages like this use the death of a beloved musician to post clickbait pictures.
I put in Hemispheres cd last night while driving during a snow storm. I realised that this is the perfect album to drive to in these conditions. The title track especially is a perfect soundtrack to the hyperspace feel of the snowflakes coming at your windshield. I drove around on the back country roads longer than necessary to take in the whole album this way. We now have a foot of snow today. "I bring fire to keep you warm, through the endless winter storm" .. :metalI'm listening to Hemispheres right now, on Repeat. On my second time through right now. ♫♫
:metal :metal :metal :metal
I realised that this is the perfect album to drive to in these conditions.
What's a survivor?
Not sure if serious? If so, it's like the show, but with songs. We vote out the songs one by one, in order to get a representative stack ranking of best-to-worst songs for each album. There's a whole sub-forum dedicated to it.
So every single Rush song is listed, and everyone votes for their least favorite? Then you keep doing that until one song is left?
Kind of sounds like torture, but I guess I would do it.
https://www.facebook.com/HeavyFknMetal/photos/a.1760794513967180/2717081838338438/?type=3&theater
I just commented under this post that this picture was not the last one of these three together, but was taken in 2006 or 07 during the making of Snakes & Arrows.
A few minutes later, my comment was gone and now I can't comment anymore, neither can I like the page, contact the page or do anything else.
I can't believe shitty pages like this use the death of a beloved musician to post clickbait pictures.
Out of curiosity, how do you know that's when the picture's from?
Cool, I'll check it out. I haven't heard Hemisperes yet, but I do have Hemispheres.. :biggrin:I realised that this is the perfect album to drive to in these conditions.
Hemisperes is the perfect album to drive in any conditions!
As long as Power Windows doesn't win!
That'd be interesting. Do an Albums survivor, and then skew a few extra song slots into the top 5 albums. Didn't someone do this with Dream Theater a while back? Doesn't make sense to give CoS 2 songs, but then MP or Power Windows only get 2 songs. I like the idea of a skewing more songs to 'better' albums.
https://www.facebook.com/HeavyFknMetal/photos/a.1760794513967180/2717081838338438/?type=3&theater
I just commented under this post that this picture was not the last one of these three together, but was taken in 2006 or 07 during the making of Snakes & Arrows.
A few minutes later, my comment was gone and now I can't comment anymore, neither can I like the page, contact the page or do anything else.
I can't believe shitty pages like this use the death of a beloved musician to post clickbait pictures.
Out of curiosity, how do you know that's when the picture's from?
It was mentioned in Neil's thread that it was from the Making of Documentary of S&A.
(Also, it couldn't have been from recently, Alex looks totally different now.)
It was me that said it was from the Doc of S&A. They all were walking through the woods next to the studio and they took that selfie. They show it in the Doc.
I have a special edition S&A on DVD, with the album in a 5.1 mix, and on the DVD is that doc. It's the same documentary I noted where Nick had to tell Neil that his four different verse drum patterns "lacked energy", and could he possibly go back in and give it another go? And Neil looked at him as if he asked him to eat a bag of crap, muttered "Fucker!" and went back in and destroyed it (they cut to Alex and Geddy pumping their fists and clapping along to his playing).
Super down for a Rush survivor. I'm hoping Power Windows wins. ;D :metal
Super down for a Rush survivor. I'm hoping Power Windows wins. ;D :metal
PW was my debut introduction album to becoming a Rush fan. I just got through listening to it and it never disappoints. :hefdaddy
Super down for a Rush survivor. I'm hoping Power Windows wins. ;D :metal
PW was my debut introduction album to becoming a Rush fan. I just got through listening to it and it never disappoints. :hefdaddy
Permanent Waves?
Power Windows is Rush's magnum opus.
Since many of us are re-listening to Rush lately, would anyone here be interested in a RUSH Survivor? I did one about 3-4 years ago, so it might be time to do it again.
-Marc.
No. From the S&A album. There was a special addition CD released.
Power Windows is Rush's magnum opus.
Yes, it is one of their many master works for sure. :hefdaddy
So, regarding Power Windows...…
I became a Rush fan in junior high 81-82. I was shocked when Signals came out. I was becoming a hard rock fan at this point. When Grace Under Pressure came out, I had zero interest in it. Rush was another band singing about the Cold War, nuclear war, whatever in 1984. I found it very unoriginal. Plus, as a hard rock fan, I just wasn't on board with their sound or their look.
Power Windows came out in the fall of my senior year, and I got nagged to go to the concert, which for whatever reason, I didn't think was all that great. I listened to my friend's Power Windows tape, and it was just so damned keyboardy.
I was knee deep into Iron Maiden, Dio, UFO during this period. Rush had no real appeal to me.
I did eventually come back to them after seeing the Hold Your Fire tour..
Let's all play a game, because I have obviously missed the boat. Can everyone tell me what I'm missing on Power Windows? I'd love if you could go song by song and tell me what it is that makes each song so special?
I'll start....
The Big Money
I find this song extremely average. I don't hate it, but the keyboards are too heavy on this. I've heard it a million times and while it would never make my 80's playlist, I can tolerate it.
Grand Designs
I feel like there's a decent song in here somewhere. But it just feels so buried under 1000 layers. I can feel the build in it, but it never gives me "that moment".
Manhattan Project
This is a song I really like, and one of 3 from this album that makes my Rush 80's Compilation CD. It has a lot of catchy parts. I like the vocals on this as well. The "flying out of the shockwave" part still gives me goosebumps. The keyboard solo that immediately follows that is really cool and textural. This is probably my favorite song on the album.
Marathon
Marathon is another really good song and the second of 3 to make my Comp CD. But I can't help but feel that had I not experienced it live, I might not have liked it as much. Still I don't have anything to complain about here.
Territories
The third song to make my Comp CD. When I was younger this was my favorite song on the album. It felt heavier than the rest. I still like it, but it hasn't aged as well as I had hoped, honestly. It's still good.
Middletown Dreams
Similar to Grand Designs, I feel like there's a good song in here. I definitely prefer it to Grand Designs though, and it has aged fairly well. I like the chorus and feel that it saves the song. I like the solo section, but I feel the climax just misses. I think it has to do with that bridge section between the solo and the ending chorus. Feels unnecessary to me and distracting. And except for Neil, the final "They live in Middletown"s lack some much needed oomph.
Emotion Detector
I'm sorry. Don't get it. At All.
Mystic Rhythms
This isn't a bad song, but I think the studio version is terrible. Too many keyboardy fills here and there. Like a menace mosquito. But the Show Of Hands version of this is amazing. Seeing and hearing the live version is 10 times better than the studio version.
All in all, Power Windows is sandwiched between two pretty flawed, but much more accessible albums in Grace Under Pressure and Hold Your Fire. To me, you can usually trace a path from one Rush album to another. They say they pushed the "long song" concept to the max with Hemispheres. Seems with Power Windows, they pushed the keyboard/technology thing to the max. Maybe it's the Hemispheres of its era. Perhaps it's a generational thing. I've seen people not care for Hemispheres. I think it's nothing short of amazing that they went from Hemispheres to Power Windows in just 8 years.
All I know is the lack of catchy melodies and the overboard keyboards make this album easily one of my 5 least favorite Rush albums.
I don't get the melody part at all Tim. This album is chalk full of melodies and hooks.
TAC, you are a nincompoop. Pardon my language. :biggrin: How you can hear Power Windows and say there's a lack of catchy melodies baffles me. But I'll go track by track later and give my thoughts as to why it's their best.
Let's all play a game, because I have obviously missed the boat. Can everyone tell me what I'm missing on Power Windows? I'd love if you could go song by song and tell me what it is that makes each song so special?
. . .
All in all, Power Windows is sandwiched between two pretty flawed, but much more accessible albums in Grace Under Pressure and Hold Your Fire.
Well, I hear a lot of people call them dumb lyrics, but I like them a lot... They usually refer to the 'better people, better food, and better beer!' part etc... Power Windows doesn't have a single thing on it I'd call bad or dumb myself, honestly.
When I talk about melodies, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't find anything as catchy as the choruses to:
Distant Early Warning
After Image
The Enemy Within
Between The Wheels
Time Stand Still
The Mission
Lock And Key
Prime Mover
Turn The Page
I actually think Marathon might have the catchiest chorus in Rush's entire history.
I actually think Marathon might have the catchiest chorus in Rush's entire history.
Sure, I have no problem with that opinion. But that's just one song.
I actually think Marathon might have the catchiest chorus in Rush's entire history.
Sure, I have no problem with that opinion. But that's just one song.
Right, one of eight songs, seven of which are nothing short of spectacular, and then an eight (Emotion Detector) which is very good as well. :Coolio
So I think it's the keyboard melodies that you are missing. It throws you off.
Do you like the keyboards in Maiden, Tim? Just curious if there's a correlation here.
Yeah but TAC strikes me as one of the guys who waved a pitchfork when Maiden introduced synths, so I'm also curious if my suspicions are correct :lol
But what makes them spectacular? I'm asking specifically.
What makes this song so special for me is the energy. Live, it seemed perhaps overplayed, especially on paper, but when they did play it live and I was in the audience, it felt like a wave of energy just went through the room. Also, I'm pretty sure I heard the live version of this before the studio version - I don't think I necessarily felt that wave when listening at home to the live version, but maybe there was a little spark. Either way, whenever I heard this song, studio version included, I always picture Rush on stage. And smile.
I'll start....
The Big Money
I find this song extremely average. I don't hate it, but the keyboards are too heavy on this. I've heard it a million times and while it would never make my 80's playlist, I can tolerate it.
Grand DesignsHmm, maybe I can agree with you on the "moment" part, but it's not necessarily an issue for me. Yes, there are lots of keyboards, but that's not a negative. Alex has a nice solo. There's an intensity to it despite the layers you mention. I wouldn't put it as one of the best songs on the album, but still think it's a great song.
I feel like there's a decent song in here somewhere. But it just feels so buried under 1000 layers. I can feel the build in it, but it never gives me "that moment".
Manhattan ProjectYes! Me too on the bolded. This might be my favorite track on the album too, but it has some competition. It doesn't seem like you need any convincing on this one.
This is a song I really like, and one of 3 from this album that makes my Rush 80's Compilation CD. It has a lot of catchy parts. I like the vocals on this as well. The "flying out of the shockwave" part still gives me goosebumps. The keyboard solo that immediately follows that is really cool and textural. This is probably my favorite song on the album.
MarathonWell, you'll never know, because you can't go back and change that. So why not just enjoy it? For me, what makes this song so special is how uplifting it is. But it's not at all saccharine.
Marathon is another really good song and the second of 3 to make my Comp CD. But I can't help but feel that had I not experienced it live, I might not have liked it as much. Still I don't have anything to complain about here.
TerritoriesWhat makes this song special is that it's like a little adventure. The intro is super cool and feels like you're in for something great, and you are. And yeah, it's a little heavier too, which is cool.
The third song to make my Comp CD. When I was younger this was my favorite song on the album. It felt heavier than the rest. I still like it, but it hasn't aged as well as I had hoped, honestly. It's still good.
Middletown DreamsOh now here we totally disagree. I think the song has plenty of oomph - more wouldn't be right for this song. I think Geddy does a fantastic job of conveying some desperation in his vocals too. And that bridge section, to me, is perfect. It reinforces the mood and then sets up the rest of the song and the final "drive you when you're down..."
Similar to Grand Designs, I feel like there's a good song in here. I definitely prefer it to Grand Designs though, and it has aged fairly well. I like the chorus and feel that it saves the song. I like the solo section, but I feel the climax just misses. I think it has to do with that bridge section between the solo and the ending chorus. Feels unnecessary to me and distracting. And except for Neil, the final "They live in Middletown"s lack some much needed oomph.
Emotion DetectorI don't think I'll be able to change your mind. I wouldn't say it's one of the best songs on the album, and yet... there's something about it. I'm really not sure how to explain. The bass is super cool once again and Alex rules.
I'm sorry. Don't get it. At All.
Mystic RhythmsI heard all of these songs on A Show of Hands first, and I'm sure that colors my opinion. If I think of this song, it's the A Show of Hands version I hear in my head. But I've listened to the studio version recently, and either way, I think this is a great song. Like Territories, what makes this song special is that is takes you some place. The intro is so cool; it just has this different vibe and the "capture my thoughts, carry them away" line does just that.
This isn't a bad song, but I think the studio version is terrible. Too many keyboardy fills here and there. Like a menace mosquito. But the Show Of Hands version of this is amazing. Seeing and hearing the live version is 10 times better than the studio version.
All I know is the lack of catchy melodies and the overboard keyboards make this album easily one of my 5 least favorite Rush albums.
Side 1 of P/G is killer, and Between the Wheels is great as well.
Grand Designs is not catchy.
The last few live albums are a difficult listen for me. Geddy's vocals were fine at the live shows simply because it's easy to get caught up in the euphoria of a live show and overlook them, but to revisit them on the live albums repeatedly is just not doable.
Red Sector A stands out to me as the one Rush song that was always significantly better live than its studio original.
Listening to the keyboards bouncing around with that simple melody isn't catchy enough? Or this part of the singing:
"Against the run of the mill
Swimming against the stream
Life in two dimensions is a mass production scheme"
isn't catchy to you? The rhyming and meter of the lyrics? Doesn't stick on the brain?
Steve Lillywhite
Question for the hardcore Rush fans who know the live history well: the 80s songs, I'm thinking particularly from the trilogy of Signals - GUP - PW, did they continue to play those songs live in the late 80s? The 90s? Any hope for the 2000s, maybe even the final tour? And if so how did they do the synth sounds; were they on tape or was Geddy playing a board for some parts? Just wondering if the actual 'sound' of the keyboard patches changed over the years, if they played the songs live at all.
Grand Designs and Emotion Detector are the lesser two tracks on the bunch. They're good, but nothing that wows me.
Question for the hardcore Rush fans who know the live history well: the 80s songs, I'm thinking particularly from the trilogy of Signals - GUP - PW, did they continue to play those songs live in the late 80s? The 90s? Any hope for the 2000s, maybe even the final tour? And if so how did they do the synth sounds; were they on tape or was Geddy playing a board for some parts? Just wondering if the actual 'sound' of the keyboard patches changed over the years, if they played the songs live at all.
Well, here are the first 8 songs from the first set of the Clockwork Angels show I saw:
Subdivisions
The Big Money
Force Ten
Grand Designs
The Body Electric
Territories
The Analog Kid
Bravado
Geddy and Alex always had a plethora of pedals and would trigger things all concert long.
I cannot get Emotion Detector out of my head right now.Because it's burried deep in our hearts!
Wow... I missed a fast paced discussion on PoW. I will say this, I wasn't 'in' to much of the Signals - HYF era. I loved everything from A Show of Hands and Chronicles (which were the two albums that were ultimately my gateway to Rush), and left it at that for the most part. It wasn't until the mid '00s that I actually picked up those albums (in the 90s I was content with ASOH + Chronicles for that era, not to mention broke/university, then met mrs.jingle and started the jingle.family). I didn't really 'get' the rest of the songs enough to compel me to pick up those albums, and frankly, I still think Signals, p/g and HYF are very inconsistent. PoW is consistently good / great. Big Money - I love the drum breakdowns ... especially the one in the middle of the guitar solo. Plus - MOAR COWBELL!!!. Manhattan Project and Marathon are on the Top 25 Rush list. Territories.... I just love the beat that Neil keeps, along with the guitar licks/riffs. And there is nothing wrong with the lyrics at all. Middletown Dreams... it's the chorus that appeals most to me. Mystic Rhythms has a sensual yet haunting vibe to it that I really enjoy - and the drumming is so reminiscent of Witch Hunt. In fact, most of Neil's drumming on this album is so simple-yet-complex, it's hard not to enjoy every beat, fill and crash.
Grand Designs and Emotion Detector are the lesser two tracks on the bunch. They're good, but nothing that wows me.
But, for me:
Signals: AMAZING
p/g: Modern era low point. Pffft.
Power Windows: Not quite as good as Signals, but strong, stronger than p/g (if only p/g had the same sound as PW)
HYF: Not quite as good as Signals, but but strong, stronger than p//g (and always a record I like a lot more when I listen to it as opposed to when I think about it. Prime Mover, babay!)
The best "period" for Rush for me is the Second Era (AFTK through MP; three of the four are almost perfect records), this Third Era is probably the second strongest for me, though the First Era is close. The Fourth Era is weakest by far (Presto is the only record that is really consistently amazing to me; I can take or leave RTB, TFE, though I like most of Counterparts). I havent' really assimilated the Fifth Era in yet, to be honest. I don't know where that fits, because I just haven't listened to VT and CA enough.
But, for me:
Signals: AMAZING
p/g: Modern era low point. Pffft.
Power Windows: Not quite as good as Signals, but strong, stronger than p/g (if only p/g had the same sound as PW)
HYF: Not quite as good as Signals, but but strong, stronger than p//g (and always a record I like a lot more when I listen to it as opposed to when I think about it. Prime Mover, babay!)
The best "period" for Rush for me is the Second Era (AFTK through MP; three of the four are almost perfect records), this Third Era is probably the second strongest for me, though the First Era is close. The Fourth Era is weakest by far (Presto is the only record that is really consistently amazing to me; I can take or leave RTB, TFE, though I like most of Counterparts). I havent' really assimilated the Fifth Era in yet, to be honest. I don't know where that fits, because I just haven't listened to VT and CA enough.
I'm pretty much in agreement with most of that. I wish PW had GUP's sound and not the other way around. PW is too dense with keyboards. There's just too much to dig through for me to find the song.
GUP is much more immediate to me, although three of the songs absolutely blow. (Red Lenses, Kid Gloves, The Body Electric)
Stop with the 80s-Rush bashing this instant!
Rush were the only 70s progband who managed to translate their style into the 80s, combine their characteristic sound with influences of that time and still sound like themselves. Even when they released poppier songs, those were still packed with great melodies, interesting and ever-evolving arrangements and stunning performances!
Stop with the 80s-Rush bashing this instant!
Rush were the only 70s progband who managed to translate their style into the 80s, combine their characteristic sound with influences of that time and still sound like themselves. Even when they released poppier songs, those were still packed with great melodies, interesting and ever-evolving arrangements and stunning performances!
It is always a good time to rank Rush records. I did this by ranking my top 5, then the bottom 3, then filled in the rest accordingly... inb4 the AFTK and 2112 lovers roast me. I sleep
1. Power Windows
2. Hemispheres
3. Counterparts
4. Caress of Steel
5. Permanent Waves
6. Fly By Night
7. Moving Pictures
8. Signals
9. Grace Under Pressure
10. Clockwork Angels
11. Rush
12. Roll the Bones
13. Vapor Trails
14. A Farewell to Kings
15. 2112
16. Snakes & Arrows
17. Presto
18. Hold Your Fire
19. Test For Echo
although three of the songs absolutely blow. (Red Lenses, Kid Gloves, The Body Electric)
All three of those songs are good. >:(
All three of those songs are good. >:(
Yeah, and AFTK and 2112 are 2 of their worst 6 albums.
All three of those songs are good. >:(
Yeah, and AFTK and 2112 are 2 of their worst 6 albums.
I don't get all the love for The Garden
All three of those songs are good. >:(
Yeah, and AFTK and 2112 are 2 of their worst 6 albums.
I actually rank 2112 among their weaker albums ;D I like Test For Echo better than 2112, and I absolutely mean that.
All three of those songs are good. >:(
Yeah, and AFTK and 2112 are 2 of their worst 6 albums.
I know you're poking fun, but yeah. They're boring albums. ZZZanadu. Fight me, O Canaduh. :biggrin:
All three of those songs are good. >:(
Yeah, and AFTK and 2112 are 2 of their worst 6 albums.
I know you're poking fun, but yeah. They're boring albums. ZZZanadu. Fight me, O Canaduh. :biggrin:
If I come to PPUSA, I am gonna have to fight you on that comment alone. Xanadu is #2 song of all-time for me.
All three of those songs are good. >:(
Yeah, and AFTK and 2112 are 2 of their worst 6 albums.
I know you're poking fun, but yeah. They're boring albums. ZZZanadu. Fight me, O Canaduh. :biggrin:
If I come to PPUSA, I am gonna have to fight you on that comment alone. Xanadu is #2 song of all-time for me.
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There's already a queue of people ready to duel me for my hot takes. Come on down and get in line, Kyle. :lol
I don't get all the love for The Garden
Actually, it's quite simple. The Garden is a beautifully written song. Lyrically and musically. That's why people love it. Hope that helps. ;)
20. Feedback
That's not even the 1st nuke from my silo sucka.
1. Moving Pictures
2. Hemispheres
3. Permanent Waves
4. 2112
5. Counterparts
6. Signals7. Presto
1a. Moving Pictures1b. Power Windows
1c. Permanent Waves
4. 2112
5. Counterparts
6. Hemispheres
7. Signals
Like two hens, those guys. :lol
Test For Echo doesn't get much love around here it seems.
Oh shoot, that song is awesome!
Oh shoot, that song is awesome!
Right, I knew you'd like that song.
Hey! Look! It's Tim!
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For what it's worth, I think Test For Echo is a vast improvement over the two albums that came before it, & I think it foreshadows the later Rush albums quite nicely.
In a strange way, I could see that instrumental song leading straight into "Seven Cities of Gold" from Clockwork Angels.. Especially in a live setting!
If I had one complaint, it's that Limbo is not their best effort for an instrumental. Otherwise, a solid record.
I don't get all the love for The Garden
Actually, it's quite simple. The Garden is a beautifully written song. Lyrically and musically. That's why people love it. Hope that helps. ;)
If, by "beautifully written," you mean painfully boring, then I get it.
I don't ever think about this (but would have put it at the bottom of my list also, but that's not really fair because it shouldn't be judged in comparison to Rush's original albums). I bought Feedback purely as a matter of instinct. I maybe listened to it once or twice, and I don't foresee ever listening to it again. The song selection did nothing for me.
1. Moving Pictures
2. Hemispheres
3. Permanent Waves
4. 2112
5. Counterparts
6. Signals
7. Presto
8. Fly By Night
9. Clockwork Angels
10. Grace Under Pressure
11. Vapor Trails
12. A Farewell To Kings
13. Rush
14. Roll The Bones
15. Hold Your Fire
16. Test For Echo
17. Caress Of Steel
18. Power Windows
19. Snakes And Arrows
Hey! Look! It's Tim!
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TAC is a lot of things, but this I'm fairly certain he ain't.
I don't get all the love for The Garden
Actually, it's quite simple. The Garden is a beautifully written song. Lyrically and musically. That's why people love it. Hope that helps. ;)
If, by "beautifully written," you mean painfully boring, then I get it.
Beat me to the punch. I just do not get the love for that song. It's not even the best song on the RECORD.
I am not a Metallica pinkhat! I was in on the ground floor.
For what it's worth, I think Test For Echo is a vast improvement over the two albums that came before it, & I think it foreshadows the later Rush albums quite nicely.
I definitely think a lot of Clockwork Angels feels like they reworked parts from T4E (example off the top of my head would be Halo Effect), and yeah, the general sound and style was continued on all of Vapor Trails, Snakes and Arrows, and Clockwork Angels. It really started on Counterparts but that one was a little more slick production wise. T4E and beyond have more of that crunchy bass and a little more distorted guitar sound.
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For what it's worth, I think Test For Echo is a vast improvement over the two albums that came before it, & I think it foreshadows the later Rush albums quite nicely.
QuoteI don't ever think about this (but would have put it at the bottom of my list also, but that's not really fair because it shouldn't be judged in comparison to Rush's original albums). I bought Feedback purely as a matter of instinct. I maybe listened to it once or twice, and I don't foresee ever listening to it again. The song selection did nothing for me.
On this, though, we disagree. I LOVE LOVE LOVE Feedback. But then again, I'm a sucker for a) those kinds of roots/covers albums, and b) the song selection is stellar. Believe it or not, "Summertime Blues" is one of my favorite songs, as is "For What It's Worth", and I have "The Seeker" (the original) as one of my ring tones.
By the way, it was revelatory how influential The Who were, given that their debut was a Zeppelin knock off of sorts (though the Yardbirds are in there, and that's Page).
I don't get all the love for The Garden
Actually, it's quite simple. The Garden is a beautifully written song. Lyrically and musically. That's why people love it. Hope that helps. ;)
If, by "beautifully written," you mean painfully boring, then I get it.
Beat me to the punch. I just do not get the love for that song. It's not even the best song on the RECORD.
Okay but it is though :)
Between the Sun and Moon has some of their best melodies in the verses, but then is ruined by the single worst chorus in the band’s history. Yes, even worse that the choruses from the first album. And yes, it is even far FAR worse than “net boy, net girl”.
Between the Sun and Moon has some of their best melodies in the verses, but then is ruined by the single worst chorus in the band’s history. Yes, even worse than the choruses from the first album. And yes, it is even far FAR worse than “net boy, net girl”.
Yes....worse than Hand Over Fist.
The Garden is a masterpiece.
He was the greatest combo rock drummer lyricist ever though. ;)
Hand Over Fist :tup
the bridge in that tune is right up there and another reason Presto is the last great record they made.
But pg, you are in the minority. While it is how you feel, you can be wrong.
Hand Over Fist :tup
the bridge in that tune is right up there and another reason Presto is the last great record they made.
Presto is certainly a magical album, as evidenced by the bunnies on the cover.
I'm sorry if it's too soon, but Neil is not the "greatest lyricist ever". He's very good, no doubt. Perhaps even the best hard rock/prog lyricist ever. But let's not go overboard here. Bob Dylan wasn't called "the voice of a generation" because he sucked. John Lennon wasn't compared to "Jesus Christ" because he sucked. Leonard Cohen. Bruce Springsteen.
Yes, the greatest lyricist in the world is allowed to write a dud every now and then. :lol
Hand Over Fist :tup
the bridge in that tune is right up there and another reason Presto is the last great record they made.
Presto is certainly a magical album, as evidenced by the bunnies on the cover.
I quite like Hand Over Fist - both the song itself and the lyrics. It feels like Neil was able to capture something with that (like he has so many times). I can't explain it well, but I think that song is just another example of the great lyricist that he is.
And Stadler, I was about to type something that sounded like it spoke for everyone which is ridiculous because I don't know how everyone else feels. But my feeling is that... that kind of statement is just kinda unnecessary. Yeah, of course not everyone participating in this thread is going to think that Neil is the best ever or Rush is the best ever. It's cool. And when someone says that they're generally talking about how they feel, not proclaiming it as the final word on the matter. Why come in and say that? Why come in and laugh at someone in the Haken thread? And why present it like there's some kind of objectivity to it "let's not go overboard here." It's not an objective fact. It's just as legitimate to think Neil is the greatest as it is to think someone older is.
Good lord.
I'm not saying it's "controversial." I'm saying it's unnecessary. Especially at this time. It's just not a good time for this. But even in general, I feel that it is unnecessary. The "best" of any kind of art is subjective. That's just the way it is. There are a lot of factors that go into it. And on a side note - I personally know 3 people who have mentioned Dylan as the best lyricist ever and then could not give a single example of a Bob Dylan lyric. The common opinion breeds itself in some cases. I am not, in any way whatsoever disparaging the lyrics of Bob Dylan, by the way. I am simply saying that people a certain number of people think so, does not make it an objective fact. It just doesn't. And by the way, if you believe those polls, you can't pick and choose; I guess it's time to face up to Kurt Cobain being one of the best of all time.
Behind your grandmother? Rude.
You think you're bringing objectivity and "the voice of reason" here, but you're not.
For a moment I thought I was in P/R.
Neil may not be the greatest lyricist ever but he doesn't have to be.
Much as I love Stadler I find it funny we're debating the merit of Neil's lyrical talent. Paul McCartney blows. Love ya Stads, just busting balls :)
Stadler, if someone tried to argue that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a legitimate standard by which to measure the most successful bands, would you want to take that as gospel, even though it took them ages to acknowledge Rush? That they haven't acknowledged Judas Priest yet? 'cause that post with all the links to lists about ranking art is kind of similar to me. Who the hell cares if someone thinks Neil is the best lyricist ever. Maybe that's their truth, what they really believe. Let them enjoy their stuff.
Stadler, I realize that post was directed towards Lethean but you're really trying to argue for an objective ranking of lyricism which itself is a form of art. You can't objectively rank art that way. What if someone thinks Neil's intellectual lyrics are more important than someone singing "the times they are a-changing"? C'mon. Someone can indeed say Neil is the best lyricist ever and back that up if they want to. It's art - there is no objectivity here. Even if you get into grammar and syntax, you're still talking art.
Yes it's impressive that Dylan's lyrics were chanted in a social revolutionary moment. That's cool. I don't think that means they're "better" or that Bob Dylan is inherently more of a gifted lyricist than someone else.
Stadler, I realize that post was directed towards Lethean but you're really trying to argue for an objective ranking of lyricism which itself is a form of art. You can't objectively rank art that way. What if someone thinks Neil's intellectual lyrics are more important than someone singing "the times they are a-changing"? C'mon. Someone can indeed say Neil is the best lyricist ever and back that up if they want to. It's art - there is no objectivity here. Even if you get into grammar and syntax, you're still talking art.
Yes it's impressive that Dylan's lyrics were chanted in a social revolutionary moment. That's cool. I don't think that means they're "better" or that Bob Dylan is inherently more of a gifted lyricist than someone else.
Respectfully, I don't think you and Lethean are fully understanding my point. If either of you are feeling that this is "belittling" I am telling you flat out you are not understanding the point. I very, very clearly said, if you think those lyrics are more important to you, I am not talking about that. If you are saying they are more important GENERALLY, you should expect to have to back that up. "Because I think so" isn't a standard in and of itself. Can I say "my house is the tallest building in the world". Well, why Stads? "Because I think so". Doesn't fly. There's got to be SOME standard even if it's implicit. I feel bad that the man passed away, but that doesn't change any of this. I suppose there might be some merit in the idea that "well, I'm grieving, so let me say he's the greatest of all time objectively speaking!" but I'm not sure there's any healthy point to that.
As for the Haken thread, it's the same thing. If the intent is to use "greatest" to say "my favorite", then so be it. It's all about intent.
I'll admit Bob Dylan is a wordsmith. His voice is a huge turnoff for me.
I'll admit Bob Dylan is a wordsmith. His voice is a huge turnoff for me.
He is? I mean is there something in the mainstream? Or is it just accepted as fact?
He still makes albums and tours. Yes. I'm not familiar with any of it because his voice isn't my cup of tea.
I'll admit Bob Dylan is a wordsmith. His voice is a huge turnoff for me.
He is? I mean is there something in the mainstream? Or is it just accepted as fact?
The thing is, is that I think we are forgetting that to a great many people, Neil was the equal of Dylan. Just the very fact that Neil’s lyrics were the most searched lyrics on the entire Internet this week speaks volumes. He may not be quite as well-known, but those who are aware of him usually mention him in the same breath as Dylan and Lennon as far as his lyrics go
When Billy Joel went behind the Iron Curtain to reach out to Soviet audiences, he did not play "Virtuality", he played "The Times They Are A-changin'".
See, I think compared to Hold Your Fire and Grace Under Pressure, I don't find Power Windows catchy at all.
Let's all play a game, because I have obviously missed the boat. Can everyone tell me what I'm missing on Power Windows? I'd love if you could go song by song and tell me what it is that makes each song so special?
. . .
All in all, Power Windows is sandwiched between two pretty flawed, but much more accessible albums in Grace Under Pressure and Hold Your Fire.
On the last point, I go back and forth with how I rank GUP, POW and HYF, but they're all bottom third Rush albums for me. However, I don't agree that GUP and HYF are any more accessible. In fact, I'd say that GUP is probably the least accessible of the three because of its dark nature and awful production. I also disagree that there's a lack of catchy melodies on POW (the chorus to Marathon is great in this regard).
As far as the songs, hearing The Big Money was such a letdown to people like me who were hoping the band would reverse course from the mistake that was most of GUP. The production (of the whole album) is better than GUP, but the bad 80s electronic drums, Geddy's bass tone, and the prominence of the 80s keyboards doom the whole thing.
Grand Designs sounded much better when it was resurrected in 2012/13, but the album version is sterile, unfulfilling, and full of GUP-like keyboard blasts.
Manhatten Project is probably the second best song on the album -- particularly the "pilot of Enola Gay flying out of the shock wave" line. But it's not on the same level and Rush's best songs.
Marathon is very much the standout. The bass line is great, and that Wal tone that ruins most of the album isn't as obtrusive for whatever reason.
Side 2 is almost entirely rubbish. I don't get the appeal of Territories AT ALL (musically speaking, and when the music falls flat, it can't be saved by even the best lyrics). Emotion Detector and Mystic Rhythms are just awful. Live versions of MR from the POW tour are no better. The live versions from the Counterparts and R30 tours are better, but the source material is so lacking that it's hard to save. My opinion of Middletown Dreams has changed a bit as a result of a recent listen. If you listen to it on its own and not sandwiched between two of the band's worst songs of all time, it sounds a bit fresher, and it isn't marred to the excessive keyboards on most of the other songs.
See, I think compared to Hold Your Fire and Grace Under Pressure, I don't find Power Windows catchy at all.
It's an unconventional album. It somehow manages to fuse a bunch of disparate elements and make it cohesive. Hold Your Fire smoothed out some of the rough edges of that approach.
Thank you Lethean, I appreciate that.
I joke about a lot of things, but I really wanted to have a discussion on this. And you did that. Seems we have a general agreement on most of it, it's just that you like it more. :D
To me, it took witnessing Marathon live to really appreciate it. And like you also mention the live version of Mystic Rhythms, which I agree with you, it is far more immediate and powerful live.
It's funny to think about Grace Under Pressure and how things would have turned out if Steve Lillywhite hadn't bailed, since it would have affected Power Windows as well. If Lillywhite stays on, maybe Grace Under Pressure is better (and I like it a lot, but Side 2 could have been better), and maybe he sticks around for the next album, and we don't get Peter Collins coming to produce what turned out to be Power Windows. I like the way it turned out, honestly. Despite some flaws, Side 1 of P/G is killer, and Between the Wheels is great as well.
Question for the hardcore Rush fans who know the live history well: the 80s songs, I'm thinking particularly from the trilogy of Signals - GUP - PW, did they continue to play those songs live in the late 80s? The 90s? Any hope for the 2000s, maybe even the final tour? And if so how did they do the synth sounds; were they on tape or was Geddy playing a board for some parts? Just wondering if the actual 'sound' of the keyboard patches changed over the years, if they played the songs live at all.
TFE has my favorite opening 5 of any post PoW album.
And Time and Motion is among my favorites from the 90s.
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On this, though, we disagree. I LOVE LOVE LOVE Feedback. But then again, I'm a sucker for a) those kinds of roots/covers albums, and b) the song selection is stellar. Believe it or not, "Summertime Blues" is one of my favorite songs, as is "For What It's Worth", and I have "The Seeker" (the original) as one of my ring tones.
By the way, it was revelatory how influential The Who were, given that their debut was a Zeppelin knock off of sorts (though the Yardbirds are in there, and that's Page).
Between the Sun and Moon has some of their best melodies in the verses, but then is ruined by the single worst chorus in the band’s history. Yes, even worse than the choruses from the first album. And yes, it is even far FAR worse than “net boy, net girl”.
Everyone seems to forget about The Big Wheel’s chorus...”looking for LOOOOOVE”...ugh, why Geddy, why??
The thing is, is that I think we are forgetting that to a great many people, Neil was the equal of Dylan. Just the very fact that Neil’s lyrics were the most searched lyrics on the entire Internet this week speaks volumes. He may not be quite as well-known, but those who are aware of him usually mention him in the same breath as Dylan and Lennon as far as his lyrics go
Yeah on social media as well I see a ton of love for The Garden, like deep, emotional praise. I totally get that. It's a lovely song. Wish I was into the band when I still had a chance to see them live. Some buddies in high school went on the Snakes & Arrows tour and said it was fantastic.
Good lord.
I'm not saying it's "controversial." I'm saying it's unnecessary. Especially at this time. It's just not a good time for this. But even in general, I feel that it is unnecessary. The "best" of any kind of art is subjective. That's just the way it is. There are a lot of factors that go into it. And on a side note - I personally know 3 people who have mentioned Dylan as the best lyricist ever and then could not give a single example of a Bob Dylan lyric. The common opinion breeds itself in some cases. I am not, in any way whatsoever disparaging the lyrics of Bob Dylan, by the way. I am simply saying that people a certain number of people think so, does not make it an objective fact. It just doesn't. And by the way, if you believe those polls, you can't pick and choose; I guess it's time to face up to Kurt Cobain being one of the best of all time.
Behind your grandmother? Rude.
You think you're bringing objectivity and "the voice of reason" here, but you're not.
It is what it is, Lethean. I'm sorry if I upset you. Look, I get it. He's an idol to many. I loved the guy myself - drumming Mt. Rushmore, I've already said that "The Analog Kid" is me, the concepts of his mid-period speak to me deeply - but he was a man. Just a man. He would, likely as not, tell you that. Clearly it's too soon to look at this with any objectivity, so with this reply, I'll explain myself one last time and let it go. Be mad at me if you want, that's on you. I certainly do not mean any disrespect to the man, his legacy, or to those grieving his loss.
If he's your favorite lyricist, god bless you, seriously. I take great comfort in the fact that you were able to connect with an artist. For me, art is solely about connection (it's why I admire many of the artists I do; Paul Stanley does something I clearly cannot). I love the idea that one can scribble some words into a notebook in an apartment or hotel room, and have it resonate with millions of people, thousands of miles, and tens of years later. Neil clearly did that; I know he connected with me (and the "grandmother" line was a joke alluding to that; he's not the greatest ever, but he's not 246, after Lupe Fiasco either. That's absurd.) I'm not even a fan of Dylan; I much more relate to "Red Barchetta" than I do "Like A Rolling Stone" (I even have a red Jeep in my garage that I am fixing up, though there's no real connection other than the color).
I've already said very clearly: for those that are saying "greatest ever" in lieu of "my favorite", I'm not talking to you. I'm just not. I can't and won't argue with you on your favorite. But there's not a standard you can name - EXCEPT "my favorite" - by which Neil is above Bob Dylan in terms of lyrics. There have not been social revolutions chanting his lyrics. When Billy Joel went behind the Iron Curtain to reach out to Soviet audiences, he did not play "Virtuality", he played "The Times They Are A-changin'". There hasn't been a Broadway show (in fact two of them) focusing around his lyrical songbook. I haven't even addressed the general literature prizes and accolades granted to his work. This isn't disrespectful, this is pragmatic. Maybe in five, ten, twenty years, all these will change. Who knows?
(As for the Cobain, no thanks. He's NOT on every poll, he's just one of those that gets tossed in there periodically. My point with the polls is not to disparage Neil or to make the case that they are definitive. There are problems with all of them. BUT, after a certain point, commonalities emerge. That's the only point I'm making. If it was one list or two that left Neil off I'd blame the list. The one or two lists with Cobain on there, I blame the list. I'm talking about the commonalities.)
I also agree that this isn't the time to argue about who's the best "whatever". We should be reflecting back on one of the greatest bands of all time and mourning the loss of Neil Peart. As Geddy Lee once said, "even though he's still the new guy, he's just as important." I love that. They had such an incredible bond. It's been 10 days and I still can't believe he's gone. Even if it were Alex or Geddy, I would still feel the same astronomical amount of loss. I've been listening to nothing but Rush all week. I've been a fan for 34 years. These guys were my musical hero's. My most favorite band ever. I'm not just mourning Neil, but also feeling an incredible amount of sympathy for his family, Alex and Geddy, and every single fan out there who's been touched by the amazing journey of Rush. They've been through the lowest of lows and highest of highs spanning over 40 years. I couldn't be more proud to be a Rush fan. :)
All the stuff with Stadler, Lethean and Kox in the past hour or so is very odd. Stadler seems to be implying (or saying expressly) that there is a certain level of popularity or commonality of opinion that turns something otherwise subjective into something objective. This is something I feel like Stadler has argued (sometimes vigorously) against many times in the past.
See, I think compared to Hold Your Fire and Grace Under Pressure, I don't find Power Windows catchy at all.
It's an unconventional album. It somehow manages to fuse a bunch of disparate elements and make it cohesive. Hold Your Fire smoothed out some of the rough edges of that approach.
I find Hold Your Fire and Grace Under Pressure practically the same album. One is a build up to Power Windows, and the other is a decompression.
I think with Power Windows, they took it as far as they could. For me, it was too far, but obviously for others, they knocked it out of the park. Even if It's not my favorite to listen to, it's definitely an admirable album.
Yeah GuP is a stand alone album for me, nothing is similar at all.
I've always paired PW and HYF together, same producer, similar in style, very high tech production and sound.
The difference for me is HYF sounds more organic and melodic.
See, and to me, HYF is BY FAR the most "polished" sounding. In fact, too much so. I hear a progression in the synth era. GUP is a very cold sounding album. They are still finding their feet and figuring out how to do this all without Broon for the first time. PoW is a bright album, and it is a band that has found it's feet in the synth-era and is having fun with the new toys that they are now beginning to master. HYF was overkill. Completely oversynthed to the point of sacrificing too much of the organic. Some brilliant emotions manage to poke their heads out in a few places, but they were beginning to lose who they were in a wall of electronics. Presto was a necessary and important (but still imperfect) return to basics.
Presto was a necessary and important (but still imperfect) return to basics.Presto is the first studio album that I owned from Rush. It was gifted to me from a friend and I thought it was the most unique sounding music I've ever heard. I was allready getting hooked on the band listening to Exit Stage Left until I wore out the tape.
I find Hold Your Fire and Grace Under Pressure practically the same album. One is a build up to Power Windows, and the other is a decompression.I'm going to ponder that.
Yeah, I don’t think of Grace Under Pressure and Hold Your Fire as sonically, stylistically, or lyrically similar at all.
I’d love a proper remix of Presto, but it’s hard to imagine it ever happening. The big kicker for me in Anagram is that huge tom roll after the last “the saint turns to sin.” I always end up rewinding to listen a couple times.
Yeah, I have both the original pressing and the remaster. There is a mild improvement in the volume, but a remix would be necessary to bring individual instrument levels up to where they need to be to give it a more robust sound.
Big difference between remixed and remastered. I own the remaster, but I’m not aware of a remix.Perhaps for the 40th anniversary edition. :corn
The remaster cranks up the volume a bit...but the album really needs a remix that we will most likely never get.
So I've been watching Rush on youtube and listening to all of their CD, live and studio, all week. One thing I wanted to mention, and I know this isn't exactly breaking news...but..
Geddy Lee is an absolute fucking beast on bass. Holy shit.
Very much this ^So I've been watching Rush on youtube and listening to all of their CD, live and studio, all week. One thing I wanted to mention, and I know this isn't exactly breaking news...but..
Geddy Lee is an absolute fucking beast on bass. Holy shit.
Everything about Rush is a beast :metal
All true, but the real underrated guy is Alex. Neil is Neil, and Geddy gets a lot of mention, but you hardly ever hear of Alex in the same breath as, say, Page and Gilmour and Clapton, but in terms of versatility, he's every bit the player they are. He doesn't have the iconic solo that some of those guys have, but everything else, he's right there.
Although I specifically remember that they asked Alex in an interview in Hit Parader in 1983ish (so granted, it was a a long time ago) which solo he was the most proud of. He said Limelight. Which is a pretty damn good solo too. And much more prevalent on rock radio.
Although I specifically remember that they asked Alex in an interview in Hit Parader in 1983ish (so granted, it was a a long time ago) which solo he was the most proud of. He said Limelight. Which is a pretty damn good solo too. And much more prevalent on rock radio.
I suppose that’s a valid point. It’s a great solo- but I guess part of why Limelight’s solo maybe isn’t as fully recognized by the masses as other classic solos is how it’s a bit more understated in a way compared to something like Stairway to Heaven? A lot of Alex’s best solos are like that.
If you mean understated in a way that's more about grandiose and emotion as opposed to technicality, I would put Comfortable Numb as the greatest example of that style, and yet it is still considered one of the greatest guitar solos of all time in spite of the fact that it's understated. I mean, it feels understated to me. It's gorgeous...but it's not a solo that requires a supreme amount of technical skill.
One of my favourites is the solo in Available Light. Not only because of its gorgeous soaring sound, but also because of how it's positioned and how it helps the song evolve. I love that the chorus concludes into something different every time.
In general, Available Light is just a beautifully crafted song and one of my favourites by Rush. Oh the wind can carry...
So one thing I've been thinking about..
Rush's music is so timeless. I realize that's not a very bold statement but as I have been listening to them these are my thoughts.
The only era I have an emotional connection with is the MP and pre MP Era. I wasn't into them in high school (80's) and I briefly had a Rush surge in college around Presto. As an adult, they really weren't major players in my musical experience.
But the 80's Era, which I so despised in the 80's stands up. It has aged so well, and those songs are truly meaningful. Listening to things like Test For Echo and Vapor Trails, there is so much goodness on these albums. Which is to say that to me, one mark of a great song is really how it stands up through all of life's trials and tribulations. It's always there and it's still meaningful.
Which brings me back to this discussion about Alex Lifeson. Is he overrated, underrated, brilliant guitarist, average guitarist? I'll tell you what he is though. He is an absolutely brilliant songwriter. Writing timeless pieces of music, soundtracks to many people's lives. He writes his guitar parts for the songs first. Everytime you say someone is the best this or that, you will find someone better.
I personally think Alex Lifeson is an amazing guitarist. He's able to play in many different styles and play them well. The guitar playing is Rush is out of this world, to me.
My point on the solo, though, isn't really whether Limelight is a good solo or not (I personally love it). But there's not a solo in his catalogue that is as instantly recognizable, nor the "show closing event" that is Comfortably Numb or Stairway (or Smoke, or Layla). It's not a fault; Rush's music doesn't really lend itself to that
Just dropping by to say that "Scars" is such an awesome, forgotten gem! :metalI believe the bassline on that tune is all done on sequencer. But still it hardly matters. It's a well constructed line with plenty of subtle alterations.
Just the grooviest thing ever! Love the bass work by Geddy. Awesome lyrics by Neil as well.
Some stand out Lerxst shred solos: :metal
Freewill
Analog Kid
Cut To the Chase
Headlong Flight
The Necromancer
Working Man
La Villa
Natural Science
2112 Grande finale
Xanadu (ending solo)
Between the Wheels
Show Don't Tell (if you listen carefully)
Virtuality (just kidding!)
I too love the song Virtuality, and that main riff is a beast! I was poking fun at the three note guitar solo as I included it on Alex's shredding solo list.. :yarrSome stand out Lerxst shred solos: :metal
Freewill
Analog Kid
Cut To the Chase
Headlong Flight
The Necromancer
Working Man
La Villa
Natural Science
2112 Grande finale
Xanadu (ending solo)
Between the Wheels
Show Don't Tell (if you listen carefully)
Virtuality (just kidding!)
A lot of people rag on Virtuality, but it’s usually because the lyrics seem really dated (which I can overlook to an extent) but I happen to think the main riff for that song is one of the coolest and heaviest ones they ever wrote. I freakin LOVE that song.
OK, just listened to Virtuality. The song still kind of blows. The riff is pretty badass, but there's just not much else there. Melody wise, I don't have a problem with the chorus, and I like the "Put your message in a modem and throw it in the cyber sea" line. I think that's great. But it's the "Net Boy, Net Girl" line that precedes it that makes the song basically unlistenable.
OK, just listened to Virtuality. The song still kind of blows. The riff is pretty badass, but there's just not much else there. Melody wise, I don't have a problem with the chorus, and I like the "Put your message in a modem and throw it in the cyber sea" line. I think that's great. But it's the "Net Boy, Net Girl" line that precedes it that makes the song basically unlistenable.
Says a song blows.
Picks out several things that are "badass" and "great".
Picks out one part that makes him cringe.
Uses that single part to call the song "unlistenable". :rollin
I love you TAC, but you can be a scrooge.
Ok ok....I'll get off your lawn now...
Lerxst has more great solos than I can count. From the debut to Counterparts, nearly every solo he did was money. It is nearly impossible to pick a single favorite, although it is hard to not say Limelight, or Jacob's Ladder, or the one at the end of the Presentation section of 2112, or...you see what I mean. :biggrin:
most may recall the clip with Alex's parents used in Beyond the Lighted Stage, but I had never seen the rest of this film/documentary "Come On Children" from 1973, until yesterday.
Alex would have been 19 or 20 when it was made. The others in the film seem like kids who just want to get high. Even the girl whose pregnant is smoking, which I suppose back in '73 maybe that was not stressed about the health risks.
I do sort of wonder what ended up happening to those kids some 46-47 years later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8HBEZ5bFEM
I remember sitting in my kitchen waiting for a local radio station to play the new Rush song so I could record it. (Remember those days?!)Oh yeah - that was me in the early 80s with all the music I liked since I hadn't been old enough to go to the store to buy my own music at the time.
yes, I remember hearing Not About Us on the radio before I heard Congo on the radio (given that Congo was the first single, and so one would think that that will get the most plays on the radio.) And yes, I am aware I'm referencing Genesis and not Rush. Sorry.I remember sitting in my kitchen waiting for a local radio station to play the new Rush song so I could record it. (Remember those days?!)Oh yeah - that was me in the early 80s with all the music I liked since I hadn't been old enough to go to the store to buy my own music at the time.
That brings to mind something else I was just thinking about: the first song you heard off each album. In most cases, it would be the first pre-release single from the album on the radio, the first song on the album after you purchased it and started listening to it or the "hit" song on the album being played on the radio. That was typically the case for me with almost every album.
But I remember, for whatever reason, the first song I heard from Counterparts (which was on the radio) was The Speed of Love. I don't know why they played that song because I know Stick It Out was the first single - just strikes me as such an odd choice to play on the radio. Anyone else have a similar experience?
I remember sitting in my kitchen waiting for a local radio station to play the new Rush song so I could record it. (Remember those days?!)
My girlfriend stopped by and was hanging with my mom. I finally taped the song sitting around for 3 hours (Show, Don't tell). I played it back and the boom box started to eat the tape. The horror! My mom and girlfriend start to laugh at me freaking out. Then I took that freakout to the next level. :lol I told them to shut up in a high, excited voice. The startled look on both their faces realizing I was really upset. LOL
The first CP song the radio played in my area was Animate. And yes, it did kind of "polarize me" because I thought it had a bit of a Pearl Jam vibe to it. That song has aged with me quite well though. I also remember hearing Stick it Out and Nobody's Hero quite often, which I'm still indifferent to those two to this day. Cut To The Chase however, is a whole different beast! :metalI remember sitting in my kitchen waiting for a local radio station to play the new Rush song so I could record it. (Remember those days?!)
But I remember, for whatever reason, the first song I heard from Counterparts (which was on the radio) was The Speed of Love. I don't know why they played that song because I know Stick It Out was the first single - just strikes me as such an odd choice to play on the radio. Anyone else have a similar experience?
I bought every Rush album up through Roll the Bones on cassette tape. I know how that is.
I bought every Rush album up through Roll the Bones on cassette tape. I know how that is.
I bought every Rush album up through Hold Your Fire on vinyl.
Sorry, I just had to brag. Fewer albums, but vinyl > cassette.
I bought every Rush album up through Roll the Bones on cassette tape. I know how that is.
I bought every Rush album up through Hold Your Fire on vinyl.
Sorry, I just had to brag. Fewer albums, but vinyl > cassette.
That's me too (pretty sure Presto was the first album I bought new on CD). I never got the appeal of cassettes over vinyl. Smaller lyrics sheets/liner notes (and sometimes none at all) and no ability to proceed immediately to Song X. Portability was the only advantage for cassettes, but I could easily copy my vinyl onto a cassette.
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Mine could do that, too. But I noticed that after doing that, there would be an audible "click" at that point forever after. Not really loud, but audible since it came during the quiet between tracks. Physical inspection of the tape revealed a slight crease at that point, where the rollers had pinched the tape a little bit doing their seek-and-play thing.
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Because you remember, Roll the Bones!Mine could do that, too. But I noticed that after doing that, there would be an audible "click" at that point forever after. Not really loud, but audible since it came during the quiet between tracks. Physical inspection of the tape revealed a slight crease at that point, where the rollers had pinched the tape a little bit doing their seek-and-play thing.
On topic, before I bought the album, I had recorded 2112 during 99.9 KISW's year-end Top 1000 one year, and at end of the song I left it recording when the DJ came on with "2112 from Rush at number 39* on our Top 1000 countdown."
I can't swear it was #39 but for some reason that number popped in to my head, so I'd bet a paycheck or two on it. Memory is funny sometimes. Why the hell would I remember that?
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I suppose if we are going to brag, I have all Rush albums (some of them multiple copies, such as all the 40th anniversary editions, etc.), including the live albums on vinyl (at least the live albums that were actually released on Vinyl, which I'm pretty sure is just AtWaS, ESL, ASoH, and RiR)I bought every Rush album up through Roll the Bones on cassette tape. I know how that is.
I bought every Rush album up through Hold Your Fire on vinyl.
Sorry, I just had to brag. Fewer albums, but vinyl > cassette.
I bought every Rush album up through Roll the Bones on cassette tape. I know how that is.
I bought every Rush album up through Hold Your Fire on vinyl.
Sorry, I just had to brag. Fewer albums, but vinyl > cassette.
That's what I did for years. Bought the records, copied them to cassettes (usually one album on each side of a C-90) then I could play them in the car, but always had vinyl for at home.
I can’t compete with most of you when it comes to collecting all the Rush albums on vinyl or seeing every tour or whatever. What I do have is a Power Windows tour t-shirt that was previously owned by Pete Trewavas.
I gave all of my cassettes away about a dozen years ago. I still have my vinyl in my attic. I've a good mind to simply give it away too. Honestly, it's useless to me. Every now and then when I have to go up there, I'll pause and look through a few albums and basically reminisce.
I simply miss being a wide eyed kid.
I miss the smell of a new album. Seriously.It's funny; the top two in my pictures were collected in 1983 (before the Kiss show in New Haven on the Lick It Up tour, the first time I saw the band live0. The bottom three have been collected in the past year or so, and I when I stood in front of Gary Barden to get a signature, it was a really cool feeling. I felt 16 again for a moment. Honestly, I could care less about the signature itself (no offense, but the Barden autograph isn't exactly going to put my kid through college) but that feeling of innocence and freedom.
And it's not so much of missing opening a sprawling vinyl gatefold as a wide eyed kid. I simply miss being a wide eyed kid.
I don't know about the smell of a new vinyl, but for me, it's the smell of a new CD booklet.
Which post 2000 live dvd/blu-ray do guys think has Geddy's best vocal performance?
Which post 2000 live dvd/blu-ray do guys think has Geddy's best vocal performance?
Which post 2000 live dvd/blu-ray do guys think has Geddy's best vocal performance?Rush In Rio
You might have a point. I never thought about that since the mix is so weird on that release. The vocals are kind of buried but still listenable. I also hate it when vocals are too high in a mix. I think R30 is the best sounding live dvd release. The mix is very well balanced with the vocals just right, plus Geddy knocked it out of the park on his part.Which post 2000 live dvd/blu-ray do guys think has Geddy's best vocal performance?Rush In Rio
Which post 2000 live dvd/blu-ray do guys think has Geddy's best vocal performance?
R30 or Snakes and Arrows Live Imo.
Anyone know if Neil or any of the Rush guys ever commented on the fact the name of the ship in THE EXPANSE is "The Rocinante"?
I had never heard of it outside of Rush...but the wife and I just started watching The Expanse (very multi-layered sci-fi show on Amazon Prime) and when the renamed their ship The Rocinante, I thought it was a Rush reference. I had to pause the show and uncontrollably ugly cry for about 2-3 minutes before I could even explain to my wife what had just happened.
What makes Alex's solos great is that they are emotive. They tell you a story inside of the song's story.
A lot of people rag on Virtuality, but it’s usually because the lyrics seem really dated (which I can overlook to an extent) but I happen to think the main riff for that song is one of the coolest and heaviest ones they ever wrote. I freakin LOVE that song.
most may recall the clip with Alex's parents used in Beyond the Lighted Stage, but I had never seen the rest of this film/documentary "Come On Children" from 1973, until yesterday.
Alex would have been 19 or 20 when it was made. The others in the film seem like kids who just want to get high. Even the girl whose pregnant is smoking, which I suppose back in '73 maybe that was not stressed about the health risks.
I do sort of wonder what ended up happening to those kids some 46-47 years later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8HBEZ5bFEM
I bought every Rush album up through Roll the Bones on cassette tape. I know how that is.
I remember sitting in my kitchen waiting for a local radio station to play the new Rush song so I could record it. (Remember those days?!)
But I remember, for whatever reason, the first song I heard from Counterparts (which was on the radio) was The Speed of Love. I don't know why they played that song because I know Stick It Out was the first single - just strikes me as such an odd choice to play on the radio. Anyone else have a similar experience?
I bought every Rush album up through Roll the Bones on cassette tape. I know how that is.
I bought every Rush album up through Hold Your Fire on vinyl.
Sorry, I just had to brag. Fewer albums, but vinyl > cassette.
That's me too (pretty sure Presto was the first album I bought new on CD). I never got the appeal of cassettes over vinyl. Smaller lyrics sheets/liner notes (and sometimes none at all) and no ability to proceed immediately to Song X. Portability was the only advantage for cassettes, but I could easily copy my vinyl onto a cassette.
I can’t compete with most of you when it comes to collecting all the Rush albums on vinyl or seeing every tour or whatever. What I do have is a Power Windows tour t-shirt that was previously owned by Pete Trewavas.
That's me; I kept about 30 or 40 that mean something to me; be it a cover, a memory, or a rare piece of music. Honestly, I can't imagine ever listening to it again, and for most of the records I did get rid of, I got like $0.25 or $0.50 a piece back in the mid-2000's, and that was only because I took it in store credit (I was in North Carolina at the time).
I did get a three-digit offer for the complete set of original Kiss solo albums, and turned it down. Kind of regertful on that point, but it is what it is.
I was actually thinking about that last night while driving (and listening to Toys In The Attic). While I had a couple of important pieces (Deep Purple imports, 12" maxi-singles) most of my vinyl were the cheap reissues; you know what I mean: the CBS reissue with the thick cardboard sleeve and no inner liner notes, just a white paper sleeve.
Honestly, no judgment of anyone else, but other than the artwork itself (I have a bunch of albums on my wall) I do not miss vinyl even a little bit.
I always forget that Alex Lifeson does the solo in Anesthetize by Porcupine Tree. His tone blends in nicely that you can't really tell.
Anyone know if Neil or any of the Rush guys ever commented on the fact the name of the ship in THE EXPANSE is "The Rocinante"?
I don't know what "THE EXPANSE" is, but "Rocinante" was the name of Don Quixote's horse from the 17th Century Cervantes novel (the Spanish word rocin literally means "work horse" or "nag") and was also the name of John Steinbeck's camper referenced in his novel Travels with Charley. I seem to recall Neil acknowledging this in a Q&A he did in one of the Rush Backstage Club newsletters 30-some years ago.
That being the case, what would Neil have said: "hey, someone else used the same 400 year old source material that I did!"?
Anyone know if Neil or any of the Rush guys ever commented on the fact the name of the ship in THE EXPANSE is "The Rocinante"?
I don't know what "THE EXPANSE" is, but "Rocinante" was the name of Don Quixote's horse from the 17th Century Cervantes novel (the Spanish word rocin literally means "work horse" or "nag") and was also the name of John Steinbeck's camper referenced in his novel Travels with Charley. I seem to recall Neil acknowledging this in a Q&A he did in one of the Rush Backstage Club newsletters 30-some years ago.
That being the case, what would Neil have said: "hey, someone else used the same 400 year old source material that I did!"?
My high school English teacher was pretty awesome. We were allowed to analyze rock lyrics, which he considered appropriate because they fell more-or-less in the "poetry" category. I wrote a paper on "Hemispheres", and mentioned The Rocinante, which was the RV (basically a pickup with custom camper top) from "Travels with Charley" by John Steinbeck. I figured I'd score some points for recognizing the Steinbeck reference. He was amused, but I'd totally missed the Don Quixote reference.
Anyone know if Neil or any of the Rush guys ever commented on the fact the name of the ship in THE EXPANSE is "The Rocinante"?
I don't know what "THE EXPANSE" is, but "Rocinante" was the name of Don Quixote's horse from the 17th Century Cervantes novel (the Spanish word rocin literally means "work horse" or "nag") and was also the name of John Steinbeck's camper referenced in his novel Travels with Charley. I seem to recall Neil acknowledging this in a Q&A he did in one of the Rush Backstage Club newsletters 30-some years ago.
That being the case, what would Neil have said: "hey, someone else used the same 400 year old source material that I did!"?
My high school English teacher was pretty awesome. We were allowed to analyze rock lyrics, which he considered appropriate because they fell more-or-less in the "poetry" category. I wrote a paper on "Hemispheres", and mentioned The Rocinante, which was the RV (basically a pickup with custom camper top) from "Travels with Charley" by John Steinbeck. I figured I'd score some points for recognizing the Steinbeck reference. He was amused, but I'd totally missed the Don Quixote reference.
I'll have to see if I can dig up the Backstage Club newsletter. I'm pretty sure I still have the small handful that got mailed to me. That's literally WHY I know the source of "Rocinante" (I've never read the Cervantes or Steinbeck novels).
The most memorable of his Q&A responses was when get got pissy about someone asking whether the "correct" lyrics for Freewill were those printed on the album sleeve or those that Geddy sang. He obviously wasn't aware that the sleeve said, "If you choose not to decide, you cannot have made a choice" (and, apparently, that misprint was limited to the U.S. or something like that), and the person who asked the question wasn't completely clear. Neil interpreted the question as quibbling about a "the" or something of that sort and wrote a very snarky response. I believe sometime in the post-internet days, someone again raised the issue with Neil, and Neil basically said "oops" and explained why he had reacted that way.
EDIT: Found it (not surprisingly at 2112.net)! http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/transcripts/19851200backstageclub.htm
"Q. In 'Free Will' which lyrics are correct (the ones on the album sleeve or the ones Geddy sings)?
NP: That's a funny question. I've had a few lately from people who are so sure that what they hear is correct, that they disbelieve what I've put in the lyric sheets! Imagine! People have quoted me whole verses of what they hear, as opposed to what's printed, sure that they are right and the cover (me) is wrong. Scary stuff, these egocentric individuals. I assure you, other than perhaps dropping an "and" or a "but", we take greet care to make the lyric sheets accurate."
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Neil didn't quite have his facts straight on that one. Maybe he proofed the Canadian version, but it was the US version that had that mistake.
I was never aware of his "oops" response. Any idea where that can be found? I'd enjoy reading it. I had gone all of these years thinking he still stood by his initial response not realized that there really was a screw up somewhere along the line.
Neil didn't quite have his facts straight on that one. Maybe he proofed the Canadian version, but it was the US version that had that mistake.
I was never aware of his "oops" response. Any idea where that can be found? I'd enjoy reading it. I had gone all of these years thinking he still stood by his initial response not realized that there really was a screw up somewhere along the line.
This is one of those "I'm pretty sure I read it somewhere" things, but I'm not sure where. I want to say maybe, in a subsequent edition of the Backstage Club newsletter, someone pressed him about the issue and was more specific (given that the question in the above quote was very vague). Or it might have been in the Bill Banasiewicz biography (or another of the biographies from the 1990s since I don't think I've bought any of the more recent books). I'll see if I can dig it up.
1 Body Electric dropped for Middletown DreamsNick, I would agree with this. Bravado is actually the one song that is worse than The Pass.
2 Bravado for The Pass
3 Carnies for Seven Cities
4 Manhattan Project for Dreamline
5 Spirit of Radio for 2112
1B, 2B, 3B, 4equal, 5B.
Just got around to really comparing this now. If this is true, Philly is going to be fucking insane.
Strange setlist relying on the 80's stuff. Body Electric, Red Sector A, Grand Designs???
At least I can appreciate the fact that they are playing deep tracks. I think that's cool.
You misspelled Available Light :biggrin:1 Body Electric dropped for Middletown DreamsNick, I would agree with this. Bravado is actually the one song that is worse than The Pass.
2 Bravado for The Pass
3 Carnies for Seven Cities
4 Manhattan Project for Dreamline
5 Spirit of Radio for 2112
1B, 2B, 3B, 4equal, 5B.
Just got around to really comparing this now. If this is true, Philly is going to be fucking insane.
Strange setlist relying on the 80's stuff. Body Electric, Red Sector A, Grand Designs???
At least I can appreciate the fact that they are playing deep tracks. I think that's cool.
dude, The Pass is the best song on Presto.
:lolYou misspelled Available Light :biggrin:1 Body Electric dropped for Middletown DreamsNick, I would agree with this. Bravado is actually the one song that is worse than The Pass.
2 Bravado for The Pass
3 Carnies for Seven Cities
4 Manhattan Project for Dreamline
5 Spirit of Radio for 2112
1B, 2B, 3B, 4equal, 5B.
Just got around to really comparing this now. If this is true, Philly is going to be fucking insane.
Strange setlist relying on the 80's stuff. Body Electric, Red Sector A, Grand Designs???
At least I can appreciate the fact that they are playing deep tracks. I think that's cool.
dude, The Pass is the best song on Presto.
I know I remember hearing GEDDY'S side of the story; it's when I first heard the notion that he doesn't sing Neil's words verbatim, but rather has collaborative input into the final lyrical output of the band. Which is fine, but it was new to me at the time."I AM GEDDY LEE, AND I'LL SING WHATEVER LYRICS I WANT" !!! :metal
You misspelled Available Light :biggrin:1 Body Electric dropped for Middletown DreamsNick, I would agree with this. Bravado is actually the one song that is worse than The Pass.
2 Bravado for The Pass
3 Carnies for Seven Cities
4 Manhattan Project for Dreamline
5 Spirit of Radio for 2112
1B, 2B, 3B, 4equal, 5B.
Just got around to really comparing this now. If this is true, Philly is going to be fucking insane.
Strange setlist relying on the 80's stuff. Body Electric, Red Sector A, Grand Designs???
At least I can appreciate the fact that they are playing deep tracks. I think that's cool.
dude, The Pass is the best song on Presto.
Been listening to Snakes and Arrows a lot over the last week, and really have been digging it. I of course bought it when it came out back in 2007, but didn't really go back to it after that first year until now. Not sure why, it's a great record. But I thought I've seen comments that it isn't thought of as highly by the majority or Rush fans.
Anyone have anything to say about S&A?
Even though the production of S&A is good, I like Vapor Trails better as an album.
Even though the production of S&A is good, I like Vapor Trails better as an album.
Easily.
Out of the 31 Rush shows I have attended, the 2 best was opening night for the Vapor Trails tour. Very emotional & the 1996 show that they recorder "2112" & "Leave That Thing Alone" in Mansfield Ma. They were on fire that night.
The show at Great Woods was 1997, wasn't it?
Out of the 31 Rush shows I have attended, the 2 best was opening night for the Vapor Trails tour. Very emotional & the 1996 show that they recorder "2112" & "Leave That Thing Alone" in Mansfield Ma. They were on fire that night.Oh man, I wish there was a live dvd from the Test For Echo tour. I heard that it was filmed but never got released for some reason. Perhaps Neil's tragedies, I dunno.
I think that was the Chicago show they filmed.
I think that was the Chicago show they filmed.Definitely wasn't at the Chicago show - I was there and I know I would have remembered seeing cameras all over the place if they were filming it. As PP says, that's where most of the tracks that were selected for Different Stages were from. But it was just a matter of them taping every single show on that tour, and realizing that the Chicago show was a really good performance overall, hence why more tracks come from that show than any other.
I vaguely remember reading something a long time ago about the fact that there was supposed to be a video from that tour but the footage had major problems or something like that. Whatever it was, they deemed whatever they had as unreleasable.I remember that too. I think it had to do with the audio not being in sync with the video or something. But given where audio editing is at these days, I don't think that would be an issue any more. In fact, that might be the reason why part of the Toronto show ended up on the R40 video box set, which I believe was the show that they filmed and intended to release.
Been listening to Snakes and Arrows a lot over the last week, and really have been digging it. I of course bought it when it came out back in 2007, but didn't really go back to it after that first year until now. Not sure why, it's a great record. But I thought I've seen comments that it isn't thought of as highly by the majority or Rush fans.
Anyone have anything to say about S&A?
I think that was the Chicago show they filmed.Definitely wasn't at the Chicago show - I was there and I know I would have remembered seeing cameras all over the place if they were filming it. As PP says, that's where most of the tracks that were selected for Different Stages were from. But it was just a matter of them taping every single show on that tour, and realizing that the Chicago show was a really good performance overall, hence why more tracks come from that show than any other.
I vaguely remember reading something a long time ago about the fact that there was supposed to be a video from that tour but the footage had major problems or something like that. Whatever it was, they deemed whatever they had as unreleasable.I remember that too. I think it had to do with the audio not being in sync with the video or something. But given where audio editing is at these days, I don't think that would be an issue any more. In fact, that might be the reason why part of the Toronto show ended up on the R40 video box set, which I believe was the show that they filmed and intended to release.
I feel the same, but different.
I feel the same, but different.
I feel the same, but different.
"Everything is different, but the same... things are more moderner than before... bigger, and yet smaller... it's computers... San Dimas High School football rules!!!"
I'd put up Vapor Trails,Fixed that for you :)Snakes And Arrowsand Clockwork Angels up against any otherthreetwo albums in the catalog. I think they are that good.
I'd put upFixed that for you :)Vapor Trails, Snakes And Arrows and Clockwork Angels up against any otherthreetwo albums in the catalog. I think they are that good.
:tup This only proves what an amazing band Rush was......and it feels weird talking about Rush in the past tense... :-\ :sadpanda:I'd put upFixed that for you :)Vapor Trails, Snakes And Arrows and Clockwork Angels up against any otherthreetwo albums in the catalog. I think they are that good.
You were one off.... :angel: ;D ;)
I feel the same, but different.
"Everything is different, but the same... things are more moderner than before... bigger, and yet smaller... it's computers... San Dimas High School football rules!!!"
Mike Portnoy plays his favourite Neil Peart songs on kids drum kit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkbRq69kJ7g
I still can't believe there's been no official Hemispheres-in-full released. The biggest fuckup they ever did was having the bonus disc of Different Stages be the AFTK tour instead of a Hemispheres show. It's like the exact same setlist but with Hemispheres songs also.I'm gonna guess they probably don't have any full length shows that are multi-track recordings other than the Pinkpop Festival that ended up as the bonus disc on the Hemispheres reissue. That would explain why they ended up going with a straight soundboard release of 2112 from the Tucson gig of the same tour since they didn't have a proper recording of the entire track from the Pinkpop gig.
And yet.... Kiss has video of shows in '75, multiple '76 shows, and multiple '77 shows. If Rush ever played Winterland in San Francisco, there is footage somewhere, because Graham recorded everything. Rush played shows with Kiss, so undoubtedly there were cameras THERE, whether they recorded the opener or not is another story.
We have existing video (it's crappy, but we have it) of the 2112 tour.You talking about the B/W video that was included on Beyond the Lighted Stage? If so, I would consider that "pro-shot" since it came from the venue, not an audience member that snuck a camera into the show.
To take a left turn, seeing the Priest news is another good reminder of how awesome and unique Rush was.
Judas Priest will now be similar to Yes in that there will be two different factions basically touring as the band.
To take a left turn, seeing the Priest news is another good reminder of how awesome and unique Rush was.
Judas Priest will now be similar to Yes in that there will be two different factions basically touring as the band.
Err...WHAT???
To take a left turn, seeing the Priest news is another good reminder of how awesome and unique Rush was.
Judas Priest will now be similar to Yes in that there will be two different factions basically touring as the band.
Kansas is currently touring without the three most important members from their classic lineup.
Styx has been touring now for two decades without their most prominent and significant songwriter, and only two of the five from the classic lineup remain as regular members.
Aerosmith just basically fired their longtime drummer via email.
Meanwhile, Rush was the same three guys from the summer of 1974 through 2015. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Just scored tix for the Primus show in Chicago. Will be my first time seeing them. Can't wait!
Just scored tix for the Primus show in Chicago. Will be my first time seeing them. Can't wait!
I don't know much about Primus at all. But my impression of the vocals was that they were more tongue in cheek. Not sure how that's all going to sound when they're trying to do Rush.
Les Claypool playing The Spirit of Radio in 2012.
https://youtu.be/taS06rvN8gk
A Farewell to Kings may sound like this. I hope he sings it better with more power. The vocals sound weak in this cover, even though the band is fantastic, that Cello player is the best thing from this cover. Also, the reggae section sounds way better in this cover.
Les Claypool playing The Spirit of Radio in 2012.
https://youtu.be/taS06rvN8gk
A Farewell to Kings may sound like this. I hope he sings it better with more power. The vocals sound weak in this cover, even though the band is fantastic, that Cello player is the best thing from this cover. Also, the reggae section sounds way better in this cover.
Wanted to go get Primus tickets. Saw that they had a presale for the LA show yesterday at their website for $42.00 for the cheap seats. Opted to wait just in case it gets listed on Groupon for cheap. Hasn't shown up on Groupon, Tickets on Ticketmaster is like $50.00 for the absolute worst views, $72.00 for a far back seat with a better view, and now I looked today on their website and the $42.00 tickets are gone.
Welp. Guess I have to either pass or wait to see if Stubhub has a good view for a ticket less than $50.00. Not likely, but it can happen.
I plan on catching the tour in Berkley if I can. I'm not a huge Primus fan, but I do appreciate them, and playing A Farewell to Kings? I'm so there. :hefdaddy
Edit - WTF are promoters thinking with those ticket prices?! I'll be waiting and seeing what's on the secondary market. Christ. LOL
Les Claypool playing The Spirit of Radio in 2012.
https://youtu.be/taS06rvN8gk
A Farewell to Kings may sound like this. I hope he sings it better with more power. The vocals sound weak in this cover, even though the band is fantastic, that Cello player is the best thing from this cover. Also, the reggae section sounds way better in this cover.
I saw Primus on the Sailing The Sea Of Cheese and Tales From The Punchbowl tours. I was into them so for me, both were great shows.
I don't know; I admire Rush for the same reasons I admire my parents (married for 55 years and still going strong) and bands like ZZ Top. But that doesn't mean that other bands are bad; I learned long ago (1982, to be exact) that all bands aren't - and don't have to be - friends and buddy buddy to make good music. In fact, for some people, it's the conflict and drama that brings out their best work. Some people need the fire lit under their ass.
I saw Primus on the Sailing The Sea Of Cheese and Tales From The Punchbowl tours. I was into them so for me, both were great shows.
I wish I could have seen Primus open For Rush.
Got Stuck with Vinnie Moore, Mr. Big and Candlebox for the 6 Roll The Bones and Counterparts shows.
I saw Primus on the Sailing The Sea Of Cheese and Tales From The Punchbowl tours. I was into them so for me, both were great shows.
I wish I could have seen Primus open For Rush.
Got Stuck with Vinnie Moore, Mr. Big and Candlebox for the 6 Roll The Bones and Counterparts shows.
I guess I'm missing something. The "joke" is that you yell "Primus sucks!" at Primus?
Okay, whatever works for you, right? :lol
Okay, whatever works for you, right? :lol
Doesn't really have anything to do with me. Just trying to be helpful and explain what I (apparently falsely) assumed was pretty much common knowledge among Primus fans:
http://www.ram.org/music/primus/misc/primus_faq.html#sucks
Apparently, chanting "Primus Sucks!" was also the way the fans would try to get the band to come back onstage for encores as well.
Okay, whatever works for you, right? :lol
Doesn't really have anything to do with me. Just trying to be helpful and explain what I (apparently falsely) assumed was pretty much common knowledge among Primus fans:
http://www.ram.org/music/primus/misc/primus_faq.html#sucks
Apparently, chanting "Primus Sucks!" was also the way the fans would try to get the band to come back onstage for encores as well.
I wasn't doubting you or anything. That's a genuine laugh-out-loud, because I really do find it amusing, and whatever works for somebody is fine. There's a lot of common knowledge that I lack.
Several pages back(or maybe it was at the Neil Peart thread), there was some discussion about the lyrics to Freewill and the misprint in the lyrics sheet. I finally found a discussion about Neil reversing course on this. It’s about 15 posts down here: http://www.therushforum.com/index.php?/topic/31044-question-about-freewill-lyrics/
Several pages back(or maybe it was at the Neil Peart thread), there was some discussion about the lyrics to Freewill and the misprint in the lyrics sheet. I finally found a discussion about Neil reversing course on this. It’s about 15 posts down here: http://www.therushforum.com/index.php?/topic/31044-question-about-freewill-lyrics/
Neil just didn't realize it. I suppose he finally saw proof.
Alex on Rush's Twitter:
"Just returned from Spring Break with my gKids. We are all self quarantining for 14 days. All travellers should. Looking forward to getting caught up on Netflix! Send your top viewing suggestions."
It's known as a mountweazel. Publishers put minor errors into printed song lyrics so that they can identify when other publications, websites, etc are simply copying copyrighted material without approval. It's always happened.
Random question:
Wondering what everyone thinks about the album Working Man - A Tribute to Rush.
This album was released over 20 years ago and features covers of 13 "classic" Rush songs (all from the debut album through Signals, plus Mission). The album was released on Magna Carta Records. Only one song (I think it was only one) was performed by an actual band (Closer to the Heart by Fates Warning). Billy Sheehan and Mike Portnoy played bass and drums on about half the songs, and Stu Hamm was on a handful. Singers included guys like Jack Russell, Mark Slaughter, Sebastian Bach and James Labrie. I didn't know who most of the other players were (and I still don't, although I have come to recognize many of the names). For the most part, I thought it was a very subpar effort, and most of the production sounds very sterile. Most of the vocals, in particular, were pretty bad. The one that always stands out is Natural Science, which features Devin Townsend on vocals. It's one of my favorite Rush songs, but he just butchers it. I didn't know who he was at the time, and that performance has kept me from even checking out anything else he's done. Terry Brown was involved in the mixing, but not as a producer.
What do you all think?
I actually really like James' version of Red Barchetta.
Fates cover was boring.
Not Rush, but on the topic of tribute albums. One that always disappoints me is the cover of Mr. Crowley by Ripper and Yngwie (and whoever else) for an Ozzy tribute. Ripper was crushing it. Music (minus one thing) was pretty close to the original to make it not interesting, but then you have Yngwie come in, decide that there's no point in learning the song, and just mindlessly shreds over it. Terrible.
Also he did a version of Dream On with....maybe JSS? but the song just has all this random shredding throughout it and it just kills the vibe.
We get it Yngwie. You can shred really fast. Stop it.
Not Rush, but on the topic of tribute albums. One that always disappoints me is the cover of Mr. Crowley by Ripper and Yngwie (and whoever else) for an Ozzy tribute. Ripper was crushing it. Music (minus one thing) was pretty close to the original to make it not interesting, but then you have Yngwie come in, decide that there's no point in learning the song, and just mindlessly shreds over it. Terrible.
Also he did a version of Dream On with....maybe JSS? but the song just has all this random shredding throughout it and it just kills the vibe.
We get it Yngwie. You can shred really fast. Stop it.
Dream On was with Dio, I believe.
I saw him in a 500 seat theater about a year ago. Keys, bass, and drums were far stage right, leaving literally 80% of the stage for him. There were 55 Marshal heads on stage, in 12 stacks (I counted). He only had three lit up, but still. And he basically did two things for an hour and 45 minutes: kicked picks into the crowd and shredded. That was it.
Not Rush, but on the topic of tribute albums. One that always disappoints me is the cover of Mr. Crowley by Ripper and Yngwie (and whoever else) for an Ozzy tribute. Ripper was crushing it. Music (minus one thing) was pretty close to the original to make it not interesting, but then you have Yngwie come in, decide that there's no point in learning the song, and just mindlessly shreds over it. Terrible.
Also he did a version of Dream On with....maybe JSS? but the song just has all this random shredding throughout it and it just kills the vibe.
We get it Yngwie. You can shred really fast. Stop it.
I've never heard that Working Man tribute album. I guess I am weird in that I don't want to hear a whole album of covers of Rush tunes. A one-off, sure, but after two or three songs, I know I'd be thinking, "why am I listening to these when I can be listening to the real thing?"
Random question:
Wondering what everyone thinks about the album Working Man - A Tribute to Rush.
This album was released over 20 years ago and features covers of 13 "classic" Rush songs (all from the debut album through Signals, plus Mission). The album was released on Magna Carta Records. Only one song (I think it was only one) was performed by an actual band (Closer to the Heart by Fates Warning). Billy Sheehan and Mike Portnoy played bass and drums on about half the songs, and Stu Hamm was on a handful. Singers included guys like Jack Russell, Mark Slaughter, Sebastian Bach and James Labrie. I didn't know who most of the other players were (and I still don't, although I have come to recognize many of the names). For the most part, I thought it was a very subpar effort, and most of the production sounds very sterile. Most of the vocals, in particular, were pretty bad. The one that always stands out is Natural Science, which features Devin Townsend on vocals. It's one of my favorite Rush songs, but he just butchers it. I didn't know who he was at the time, and that performance has kept me from even checking out anything else he's done. Terry Brown was involved in the mixing, but not as a producer.
What do you all think?
I'd never heard that Devin performance before, but honestly hearing it now I think he does a great job with the song. There are a couple of moments where it's a bit too much, but overall I really like it. I don't really understand the point of cover that just sounds exactly like the original.
I would've rather had Fates tackle a more complex song than Closer To The Heart.
I actually really like the album, well, more so the first five tracks, plus Natural Science and Jacob's Ladder. Everything else is OK-to-pretty-good, but those seven covers I listed are really good.
Over-all, I like this one more than the follow-up cover album, Subdivisions, which, funnily enough, featured Mike Mangini on drums over Mike Portnoy (who did not return for the 2nd album). There are a good number of DT members across various songs on both, IIRC, so it's great to hear them cover some Rush tunes with different players involved.
I think my absolute favorite cover has to be of La Villa Strangiato. They tweak it just enough to sound fresh and exciting, but staying fairly faithful to the original, and Portnoy gives his best performance on the album in that song.
-Marc.
Yngwie's overplaying bugged me. Overall Fates cover was the best.
Usually if I like a cover, it’s because I like the band/artist doing the cover more than the original artist. This applies to many Beatles covers. For Rush that’s kind of a high bar though.
Not Rush, but on the topic of tribute albums. One that always disappoints me is the cover of Mr. Crowley by Ripper and Yngwie (and whoever else) for an Ozzy tribute. Ripper was crushing it. Music (minus one thing) was pretty close to the original to make it not interesting, but then you have Yngwie come in, decide that there's no point in learning the song, and just mindlessly shreds over it. Terrible.
Also he did a version of Dream On with....maybe JSS? but the song just has all this random shredding throughout it and it just kills the vibe.
We get it Yngwie. You can shred really fast. Stop it.
He did that with Rush as well.
I've never heard that Working Man tribute album. I guess I am weird in that I don't want to hear a whole album of covers of Rush tunes. A one-off, sure, but after two or three songs, I know I'd be thinking, "why am I listening to these when I can be listening to the real thing?"
The most unexpectedly amazing Rush cover will always be that Jacob Moon "Subdivisions" version.
The most unexpectedly amazing Rush cover will always be that Jacob Moon "Subdivisions" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4vd9OVLO7Q) version.
Man, I am not understanding the pricing on this Permanent Waves 40th set. Of all of the Super Deluxe sets thus far, this one is the least impressive to me yet is somehow way more expensive than any of the others were. As of now, I can only see myself getting the vinyl and CD sets separately. That alone will run about $80. The Super Deluxe is going for $180. There just is not an extra $100 of worth there, especially with no Blu-ray or DVD or anything.
Man, I am not understanding the pricing on this Permanent Waves 40th set. Of all of the Super Deluxe sets thus far, this one is the least impressive to me yet is somehow way more expensive than any of the others were. As of now, I can only see myself getting the vinyl and CD sets separately. That alone will run about $80. The Super Deluxe is going for $180. There just is not an extra $100 of worth there, especially with no Blu-ray or DVD or anything.
This is pretty cool, me thinks.
Members of Anthrax, Suicidal Tendencies and Testament cover Rush while in quarantine (https://youtu.be/0Ohx9Z2MJf8)
Man, I am not understanding the pricing on this Permanent Waves 40th set. Of all of the Super Deluxe sets thus far, this one is the least impressive to me yet is somehow way more expensive than any of the others were. As of now, I can only see myself getting the vinyl and CD sets separately. That alone will run about $80. The Super Deluxe is going for $180. There just is not an extra $100 of worth there, especially with no Blu-ray or DVD or anything.
For the, the problem is that they insist on selling the "super deluxe" version with both CDs and vinyl. I have no use for vinyl. Yes, there's a CD-only version, but it lacks most of the goodies. While I want the goodies, I don't want them badly enough to shell out $180 and get a bunch of (for me) useless vinyl records.
Jones performed with Alex Lifeson and John Rutsey in the first incarnation of Rush, serving as the primary singer and bassist in the summer of 1968.[1] He was replaced by Geddy Lee in September 1968 before their second performance, after wanting to go to a party.[
You Learn Something new everyday.I don't remember if it was this thread, but I posted about this some time ago. I don't remember how the topic came up.....is there a Red Rider thread? :lol
"Lunatic Fringe" is a great tune by the band Red Rider (which I always associate with the 80's movie "Vision Quest") who included original Rush Vocalist/Bassist Jeff Jones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTFVMMCwsss
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Jones_(musician)QuoteJones performed with Alex Lifeson and John Rutsey in the first incarnation of Rush, serving as the primary singer and bassist in the summer of 1968.[1] He was replaced by Geddy Lee in September 1968 before their second performance, after wanting to go to a party.[
You Learn Something new everyday.
"Lunatic Fringe" is a great tune by the band Red Rider (which I always associate with the 80's movie "Vision Quest") who included original Rush Vocalist/Bassist Jeff Jones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTFVMMCwsss
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Jones_(musician)QuoteJones performed with Alex Lifeson and John Rutsey in the first incarnation of Rush, serving as the primary singer and bassist in the summer of 1968.[1] He was replaced by Geddy Lee in September 1968 before their second performance, after wanting to go to a party.[
I alwayd Lunatic Fringe, but never knew anything about it, other than the name of the band. And I never saw Vision Quest.
That one post was a font of information for me.
You Learn Something new everyday.
"Lunatic Fringe" is a great tune by the band Red Rider (which I always associate with the 80's movie "Vision Quest") who included original Rush Vocalist/Bassist Jeff Jones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTFVMMCwsss
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Jones_(musician)QuoteJones performed with Alex Lifeson and John Rutsey in the first incarnation of Rush, serving as the primary singer and bassist in the summer of 1968.[1] He was replaced by Geddy Lee in September 1968 before their second performance, after wanting to go to a party.[
I alwayd Lunatic Fringe, but never knew anything about it, other than the name of the band. And I never saw Vision Quest.
That one post was a font of information for me.
Another tidbit. Red Rider was fronted by Tom Cochran. Singer of "Life is a Highway"
Another tidbit. Red Rider was fronted by Tom Cochran. Singer of "Life is a Highway"
Tom Cochrane is also Canadian. He and Alex have played together on several occasions, with Alex even appearing on one of his later releases.
Yeah, "Life Is A Highway" was an unavoidable hit in the early 90s, radio and MTV. Great song!
Here's them playing "All Along The Watchtower" back in 94: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7LT9JG2ly0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7LT9JG2ly0)
Rascal Flatts also did a cover of "Life Is A Highway" for one of the Pixar movies ("Cars" I think, but don't quote me.)
You Learn Something new everyday.
"Lunatic Fringe" is a great tune by the band Red Rider (which I always associate with the 80's movie "Vision Quest") who included original Rush Vocalist/Bassist Jeff Jones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTFVMMCwsss
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Jones_(musician)QuoteJones performed with Alex Lifeson and John Rutsey in the first incarnation of Rush, serving as the primary singer and bassist in the summer of 1968.[1] He was replaced by Geddy Lee in September 1968 before their second performance, after wanting to go to a party.[
You Learn Something new everyday.
"Lunatic Fringe" is a great tune by the band Red Rider (which I always associate with the 80's movie "Vision Quest") who included original Rush Vocalist/Bassist Jeff Jones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTFVMMCwsss
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Jones_(musician)QuoteJones performed with Alex Lifeson and John Rutsey in the first incarnation of Rush, serving as the primary singer and bassist in the summer of 1968.[1] He was replaced by Geddy Lee in September 1968 before their second performance, after wanting to go to a party.[
I alwayd Lunatic Fringe, but never knew anything about it, other than the name of the band. And I never saw Vision Quest.
That one post was a font of information for me.
You Learn Something new everyday.
"Lunatic Fringe" is a great tune by the band Red Rider (which I always associate with the 80's movie "Vision Quest") who included original Rush Vocalist/Bassist Jeff Jones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTFVMMCwsss
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Jones_(musician)QuoteJones performed with Alex Lifeson and John Rutsey in the first incarnation of Rush, serving as the primary singer and bassist in the summer of 1968.[1] He was replaced by Geddy Lee in September 1968 before their second performance, after wanting to go to a party.[
While I realize that the band that eventually became Rush started out with Alex on guitars, Rutsey on drums and Jeff Jones on bass, the band may or may not have been called "Rush" at that point, and Jones only lasted a few weeks. I therefore have a real problem regarding to him as "the original Rush vocalist/bassist."
I may scan and upload a few of these, although I suspect they're readily available elsewhere on the interweb.Don't bother. As you guessed, they are available, altho they were put up just days before the announcement of that book. YOu can check them out here:
I may scan and upload a few of these, although I suspect they're readily available elsewhere on the interweb.Don't bother. As you guessed, they are available, altho they were put up just days before the announcement of that book. YOu can check them out here:
https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/rbc-archives.php
Rush (or Rush's business manager) is now selling a bound collection of all of the old Backstage Club newsletters.
https://www.rushbackstage.com/product/6XAMRU169/rush-backstage-club-newsletters?cp=102112_102150
$40 for 72 pages of material seems pretty steep
Right before I read about this, I pulled out all of my original newsletters. I have them from roughly GUP through Presto (the one that was released in advance of GUP refers to a new song called "Red Section A." :lol
Several of the newsletters had Q&A from Neil, and my god was that man snarky! Unfortunately, while the first blip about the lyrics to Freewill is in one of them, the follow up is not in any of the newsletters that I have, so it may have come from somewhere else (I think I posted a link several pages back). I may scan and upload a few of these, although I suspect they're readily available elsewhere on the interweb.
Wait. Somewhere there is a dude walking around whose life story is "I was in Rush at the beginning, but skipped a gig so I could go to a party, then they replaced me?"
Rush (or Rush's business manager) is now selling a bound collection of all of the old Backstage Club newsletters.
https://www.rushbackstage.com/product/6XAMRU169/rush-backstage-club-newsletters?cp=102112_102150
$40 for 72 pages of material seems pretty steep
Right before I read about this, I pulled out all of my original newsletters. I have them from roughly GUP through Presto (the one that was released in advance of GUP refers to a new song called "Red Section A." :lol
Several of the newsletters had Q&A from Neil, and my god was that man snarky! Unfortunately, while the first blip about the lyrics to Freewill is in one of them, the follow up is not in any of the newsletters that I have, so it may have come from somewhere else (I think I posted a link several pages back). I may scan and upload a few of these, although I suspect they're readily available elsewhere on the interweb.
I'd get these (even though I have many of the originals anyway) but I got the impression it's not all of them so if that's the case I'm out. I'd want them if it was everything, but that does not appear to be the case.
Rush (or Rush's business manager) is now selling a bound collection of all of the old Backstage Club newsletters.
https://www.rushbackstage.com/product/6XAMRU169/rush-backstage-club-newsletters?cp=102112_102150
$40 for 72 pages of material seems pretty steep
Right before I read about this, I pulled out all of my original newsletters. I have them from roughly GUP through Presto (the one that was released in advance of GUP refers to a new song called "Red Section A." :lol
Several of the newsletters had Q&A from Neil, and my god was that man snarky! Unfortunately, while the first blip about the lyrics to Freewill is in one of them, the follow up is not in any of the newsletters that I have, so it may have come from somewhere else (I think I posted a link several pages back). I may scan and upload a few of these, although I suspect they're readily available elsewhere on the interweb.
I'd get these (even though I have many of the originals anyway) but I got the impression it's not all of them so if that's the case I'm out. I'd want them if it was everything, but that does not appear to be the case.
You're right:
"Over the years, there were over thirty newsletters released, some were full of timelines from Neil, some contained tentative upcoming tour dates, and some were merely merchandise catalogues. We have reprinted and bound the most meaningful of these newsletters in a 9” X 12”, 72-page folio."
I suspect, however, that the ones that aren't included are those that are only merch catalogs.
What's your favorite guitar riff and solo by Lifeson?
My picks would be: riff - Spirit of the Radio; solo - La Villa Strangiato
What's your favorite guitar riff and solo by Lifeson?
My picks would be: riff - Spirit of the Radio; solo - La Villa Strangiato
Solo? Not sure. They all just fit. That's his superpower.
The Spirit oftheRadio
Ironically, the record company released a promo single of the song and titled it "The Spirit Of The Radio".
Ironically, the record company released a promo single of the song and titled it "The Spirit Of The Radio".
Covering both bases, just in case? :huh:
Or just conceding that they're gonna be wrong either way? :police:
I'm more with Orbert on this. If someone makes a mistake, that's cool. If they make a mistake after being corrected, that's cool. But to just say "well that's what I call it" - yeah no. Same with the pronunciation of Peart. If you mispronounced it for 10+ years before learning the correct pronunciation, of course it's going to be hard to unlearn that. You'll probably make mistakes. But at least make the effort.
First of all, I was trying to be funny with my "30 years" remark, because obviously I won't care about anything by then. It used to piss me off, but now it just bothers me.
The name song is "The Spirit of Radio". That's just a fact. I had a roommate years ago who called it "Spirit of the Radio" and I corrected him, but he didn't care. "Well, that's what I call it." Later I ran into someone else who called it "Spirit of the Radio". Eventually I realized that there's an entire segment of the population who doesn't know the name of one of Rush's most popular songs, and for some reason that bugs me. It bugs me when people call things by the wrong name, and just don't give a shit that they're wrong. "That's what I call it, and if you don't like that, you can fuck off."
But now that I'm older, and the song has been around a lot longer, I've gotten to where it bothers me less because I get it now; some people just choose to be ignorant. I'm sorry if that comes across as a personal attack. It's not you, personally. I just always like to know what something is actually called, not just make up my own name for it and figure people will know what I mean. I consider people who don't bother learning the proper names of things to be lazy, and laziness bothers me.
I mean, if you like something, wouldn't you want to know the actual correct name of it? Why would you choose to not bother with the correct name, once it's been pointed out?
Ironically, the record company released a promo single of the song and titled it "The Spirit Of The Radio".
Covering both bases, just in case? :huh:
Or just conceding that they're gonna be wrong either way? :police:
Isn’t that what Geddy himself called it on ESL? ;)
I'm more with Orbert on this. If someone makes a mistake, that's cool. If they make a mistake after being corrected, that's cool. But to just say "well that's what I call it" - yeah no. Same with the pronunciation of Peart. If you mispronounced it for 10+ years before learning the correct pronunciation, of course it's going to be hard to unlearn that. You'll probably make mistakes. But at least make the effort.
It's sort of like when folks say "noo-kyoo-lar" when they mean "nuclear." Or, in reference to the abbey in London or city in Orange County, California, say "WestminIster" instead of "Westminster." Or people who use plural pronouns to refer to an individual of known gender.
ESL starts with Geddy saying, "This is 'The Spirit of Radio.'"
From the time I became a Rush fan until probably the late 1990s, I thought/assumed it was pronounced "pert" (like the shampoo). Sometime in the 90s, I started hearing that it might actually be pronounced like "pier" with a "t" at the end. I thought, "nah!" and I'd swear that he did radio interviews where it was pronounced "pert." Then when I finally had it confirmed and started tying to say it correctly, it felt awkward to the point of feeling self-conscious.
Maybe we should avoid the controversy and instead listen to YYZeeeeee
Maybe we should avoid the controversy and instead listen to YYZeeeeee
...you mean "Y Y Zed"...
:lol
-Marc.
Maybe we should avoid the controversy and instead listen to YYZeeeeee
...you mean "Y Y Zed"...
:lol
-Marc.
yes, yes... that was my point actually ;D
Not everyone is in tune with your sense of humor, Hammy, but I got it! :biggrin:
I'm more with Orbert on this. If someone makes a mistake, that's cool. If they make a mistake after being corrected, that's cool. But to just say "well that's what I call it" - yeah no. Same with the pronunciation of Peart. If you mispronounced it for 10+ years before learning the correct pronunciation, of course it's going to be hard to unlearn that. You'll probably make mistakes. But at least make the effort.
Does that mean I have to stop thinking of you as "Straddler"?
WHAT? No.. ESL was one of my first ever Rush albums and I've been listening to it on headphones for 38 years. I just checked on YT, and it sounds TO ME like he says "This is the Spirit of the Radio".
In fact, I've even had forum discussions about this where the fans admit that Geddy got it wrong. I thought even Geddy admitted it in an interview once.
EDIT - I just triple checked. Listen to it again. He definitely says "the spirit of the radio"
I think you're hearing him slide the "f" of "of" into the "R" of "Radio" and it creates a ghost-syllable that isn't really there. I could imagine how someone might mistake it, but it's quite clearly "The Spirit of Radio" to me. I even listened at 0.5x and 0.25x speeds to be sure, and both times it was pretty clear to me.
Wait wait wait. Is this one of those Black and Blue vs White and Gold dress things??
Does that mean I have to stop thinking of you as "Straddler"?
That's an unreleased Kiss track, isn't it?
Early demo version of "Strutter.":lol
Same here. Today, it just annoys me greatly. So I'm making progress. I feel like by time I've been dead for 30 years, it won't bother me anymore.
Same here. Today, it just annoys me greatly. So I'm making progress. I feel like by time I've been dead for 30 years, it won't bother me anymore.
I am guessing your favorite part of 2112 is "Temples of the Syrinx," right? ;)
Maybe you should play it at a slower speed - I think if you do, it's more clear that he doesn't add the "the."
Maybe you should play it at a slower speed - I think if you do, it's more clear that he doesn't add the "the."
I would't have the slightest idea how to do that.
Maybe it’s more clear if I explain it phonetically.
When I parrot him (as I often do when I’m singing along to this track) it’s stated very quickly, but very obviously.
“This is the spirit ovthradio”
Grace Under The Pressure still blows.Good thing Power the Windows exists :neverusethis:
I’m honestly :rollin :rollin but I secretly think you guys are insane. :angel:I think you are yanking our chains :lol
First of all, I was trying to be funny with my "30 years" remark, because obviously I won't care about anything by then. It used to piss me off, but now it just bothers me.
The name song is "The Spirit of Radio". That's just a fact. I had a roommate years ago who called it "Spirit of the Radio" and I corrected him, but he didn't care. "Well, that's what I call it." Later I ran into someone else who called it "Spirit of the Radio". Eventually I realized that there's an entire segment of the population who doesn't know the name of one of Rush's most popular songs, and for some reason that bugs me. It bugs me when people call things by the wrong name, and just don't give a shit that they're wrong. "That's what I call it, and if you don't like that, you can fuck off."
But now that I'm older, and the song has been around a lot longer, I've gotten to where it bothers me less because I get it now; some people just choose to be ignorant. I'm sorry if that comes across as a personal attack. It's not you, personally. I just always like to know what something is actually called, not just make up my own name for it and figure people will know what I mean. I consider people who don't bother learning the proper names of things to be lazy, and laziness bothers me.
I mean, if you like something, wouldn't you want to know the actual correct name of it? Why would you choose to not bother with the correct name, once it's been pointed out?
Ironically, the record company released a promo single of the song and titled it "The Spirit Of The Radio".
Covering both bases, just in case? :huh:
Or just conceding that they're gonna be wrong either way? :police:
I'm more with Orbert on this. If someone makes a mistake, that's cool. If they make a mistake after being corrected, that's cool. But to just say "well that's what I call it" - yeah no. Same with the pronunciation of Peart. If you mispronounced it for 10+ years before learning the correct pronunciation, of course it's going to be hard to unlearn that. You'll probably make mistakes. But at least make the effort.
WHAT? No.. ESL was one of my first ever Rush albums and I've been listening to it on headphones for 38 years. I just checked on YT, and it sounds TO ME like he says "This is the Spirit of the Radio".
In fact, I've even had forum discussions about this where the fans admit that Geddy got it wrong. I thought even Geddy admitted it in an interview once.
EDIT - I just triple checked. Listen to it again. He definitely says "the spirit of the radio"
Maybe we should avoid the controversy and instead listen to YYZeeeeee
...you mean "Y Y Zed"...
:lol
-Marc.
yes, yes... that was my point actually ;D
A thorough search of the Internet reveals no official source. But several reviews (some professional, some not) that hear the same thing I do.
I pretty much had accepted this as canon for decades, and I’m not alone in this. I’m just genuinely shocked that anyone hears anything else. It’s seems so obvious to me.
Maybe we have a Rush based “Yanni or Laurel” debate here.
Same here. Today, it just annoys me greatly. So I'm making progress. I feel like by time I've been dead for 30 years, it won't bother me anymore.
I am guessing your favorite part of 2112 is "Temples of the Syrinx," right? ;)
The Working Man
Fly by the Night
Fountain of the Lamneth
A Farewell to the Kings
La Villa de Strangiato
The Lock and the Key
Hand over the Fist
The Armor and the Sword
I’m honestly :rollin :rollin but I secretly think you guys are insane. :angel:
Well folks, after taking the time to listen very carefully to the first few seconds of ESL, after not having heard it for (likely) well over 2 decades, I have come to the conclusion that jammindude is actually right!
Am I alone in thinking that "The Trees" has very goofy lyrics?
I always thought The Trees was quite profound.
Why would there even be a debate? He clearly says "The".
Next thing you know, someone's going to say, "I don't hear him say Radio at all."
Regardless of the playback speed, there's only one "the" in there, and it's at the beginning. Not even a pretense of a "the" between "of" and "radio."
I also highly doubt they'd have used that spoken intro if he had messed it up.
Scott even heard it one way for 30+ years until I shared a sound bite of me mimicking exactly what Geddy actually says, and now he hears it.
Scott even heard it one way for 30+ years until I shared a sound bite of me mimicking exactly what Geddy actually says, and now he hears it.Truth be told, it wasn't your video that proved it to me in any way shape or form. It was me trying to prove you WRONG by simply listening very carefully to that intro again for the first time in decades at a high enough volume so that I heard it very clearly. And we see how that went! :P
Next thing you know, someone's going to say, "I don't hear him say Radio at all."
Regardless of the playback speed, there's only one "the" in there, and it's at the beginning. Not even a pretense of a "the" between "of" and "radio."
Aside from the fact that the second "the" just isn't there, the show from which the ESL recording was taken was the 156th show in a row where TSOR was played. I highly doubt that, by that point, Geddy was going to mess up the name of the song. I also highly doubt they'd have used that spoken intro if he had messed it up.
I ran an informal poll on another website (mostly non-music/Rush fans) and got 19 responses, 10 for “Spirit of Radio” and 9 for “Spirit of The Radio.”
I wish I could post an audio clip...I could at least give you guys a “guide vocal” to exactly where it is.
Just listened now. There is no second "the". He rolls the r of radio but that's it. Is this like those what colour is the dress pictures that were popular on social media a few years ago?
Wait wait wait. Is this one of those Black and Blue vs White and Gold dress things??
I've never seen so many pages wasted on 1 word.
He clearly says "Laurel".
I haven't seen this mentioned yet, but Jerry Stiller died the other day. I grew up knowing Jerry Stiller and his hot wife Anne Meara as the comedy duo of Stiller and Meara. (https://i.imgur.com/KzRcIRp.jpg)
Most people know them today as Ben Stiller's parents. I would guess that most people in this thread know Jerry Stiller as that old guy in Rush's tour videos.
(https://i.imgur.com/Au5ebCX.jpg)
Gerald Isaac Stiller (June 8, 1927 – May 11, 2020)
He clearly says "Laurel".
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Anyway.... my guide vocal is in the responses for this FB post.
https://www.facebook.com/1073673827/posts/10218884207430899/?d=n
Psst....check the general discussion board.
He clearly says "Laurel".
Keeping in mind that he's a rock singer, on stage, announcing a song to a crowd, so there may actually be little resemblance between what he SAYS and the native language he says it in (we've all heard James introduce songs; Bruce is another one; Paul Stanley a third), but I clearly hear "This is The Spirit. Of. Radio!" <wild applause>."
There’s just not another syllable there. I clearly hear “of radio.” The only thing I can think of is that maybe it’s a pitch thing and some people can hear it and some can’t?
Do you guys think Alex and Geddy are done making music? I know Rush is over but I wonder if they will, alone or separately, ever decide to create again.
So, Charlie from Anthrax has been doing various videos during the quarantine. Some of which are cover songs with other musicians. He dropped a ridiculously good cover of Red Barchetta recently. I was blown away at how good it is. Especially, the vocalist. Man, he just nailed it. Never heard of him, but I could listen to him cover Rush all day.
Charlie Benante (Anthrax) - Drums and Keys
Alex Skolnick (Testament) - Guitar
Ra Diaz (Suicidal Tendencies) - Bass
Brandon Yeagley (Crobot) - Vocals
https://youtu.be/amBejFYEOfE
Maybe the Time Machine tour was made to correct "the" mistake, and instead caused a rift in time
Do you guys think Alex and Geddy are done making music? I know Rush is over but I wonder if they will, alone or separately, ever decide to create again.
Because I haven't seen the last couple tours, and I usually listen to the live CDs (as opposed to watching the DVDs), I had no idea of the association between Jerry Stiller and Rush. 75% of my love for Stiller comes from King Of Queens, the rest from Seinfeld (not that he wasn't great in Seinfeld, he just sticks out more in KoQ).
I say this seriously, I guess this is my "The Office" moment. :) :)
"This is called 'The Spirit Of Radio'..."
(https://youtu.be/KIkr1x95wtg)
-Marc.
"This is called 'The Spirit Of Radio'..."
(https://youtu.be/KIkr1x95wtg)
-Marc.
He gets it right on that one.
:lol
"This is called 'The Spirit Of Radio'..."
(https://youtu.be/KIkr1x95wtg)
-Marc.
He gets it right on that one.
Just like on Exit... Stage Left! :tup
-Marc.
I haven't seen this mentioned yet, but Jerry Stiller died the other day. I grew up knowing Jerry Stiller and his hot wife Anne Meara as the comedy duo of Stiller and Meara. (https://i.imgur.com/KzRcIRp.jpg)
Most people know them today as Ben Stiller's parents. I would guess that most people in this thread know Jerry Stiller as that old guy in Rush's tour videos.
(https://i.imgur.com/Au5ebCX.jpg)
Gerald Isaac Stiller (June 8, 1927 – May 11, 2020)
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I don't think Alex is, but I'm really starting to question whether Geddy will do anything more. He made a bunch of comments when he was doing his book signings about how he hadn't played in a while because he'd been busy with other things, "but I'm sure I'll get back down to the playing room eventually." Maybe that's what he's been doing the last couple months, but I'm really starting to wonder now.
Part of me thinks it would be a shame if Alex and Geddy never made music together again, but another part would be totally ok with it.
It's been almost five years since the end of the last tour and there has been nada. I have to think that if Alex and Geddy doing something together musically for public consumption were gonna happen, it would have by now, given their ages. Maybe they will find a way to do something small for the Neil Peart memorial concert, which I remember reading is being rescheduled, but that is probably it.
I think the guitar tone in "Red Barchetta" could be better. Do you agree?Nope :)
I think the guitar tone in "Red Barchetta" could be better. Do you agree?Nope :)
"This is called 'The Spirit Of Radio'..."
(https://youtu.be/KIkr1x95wtg)
-Marc.
He gets it right on that one.
Just like on Exit... Stage Left! :tup
-Marc.
I think the guitar tone in "Red Barchetta" could be better. Do you agree?
I wrote a review of Martin Popoff's incredibly detailed new book called "Anthem: Rush in the 70's". Check it out: https://www.sonicperspectives.com/features/book-review-anthem-rush-in-the-1970s/Thanks for that Rodrigo. I've been thinking about picking up a copy of that book. Would you say that it's just a much more detailed biography than say Popoff's 'Contents Under Pressure'? And any idea why he's doing separate books for the 80s and 90s, but nothing for the 2000s? Kind of expected that the last book would be a "90s and beyond" type of book, but judging by your review, that's not gonna be the case.
I wrote a review of Martin Popoff's incredibly detailed new book called "Anthem: Rush in the 70's". Check it out: https://www.sonicperspectives.com/features/book-review-anthem-rush-in-the-1970s/Thanks for that Rodrigo. I've been thinking about picking up a copy of that book. Would you say that it's just a much more detailed biography than say Popoff's 'Contents Under Pressure'? And any idea why he's doing separate books for the 80s and 90s, but nothing for the 2000s? Kind of expected that the last book would be a "90s and beyond" type of book, but judging by your review, that's not gonna be the case.
It's been almost five years since the end of the last tour and there has been nada. I have to think that if Alex and Geddy doing something together musically for public consumption were gonna happen, it would have by now, given their ages. Maybe they will find a way to do something small for the Neil Peart memorial concert, which I remember reading is being rescheduled, but that is probably it.
I think the guitar tone in "Red Barchetta" could be better. Do you agree?Nope :)
I'm also glad to hear that similar books are being created about the 80's/90's/00's.I think you missed Rodrigo's response to my question. As of the moment, doesn't look like there's a book for the 2000s. I'd imagine if he was working on one, comments would've been made about it, as they were for the books on the 80s and 90s. Happy to be wrong, but doesn't look good for the moment. :-\
I'm also glad to hear that similar books are being created about the 80's/90's/00's.I think you missed Rodrigo's response to my question. As of the moment, doesn't look like there's a book for the 2000s. I'd imagine if he was working on one, comments would've been made about it, as they were for the books on the 80s and 90s. Happy to be wrong, but doesn't look good for the moment. :-\
I'm also glad to hear that similar books are being created about the 80's/90's/00's.I think you missed Rodrigo's response to my question. As of the moment, doesn't look like there's a book for the 2000s. I'd imagine if he was working on one, comments would've been made about it, as they were for the books on the 80s and 90s. Happy to be wrong, but doesn't look good for the moment. :-\
Ahhh...yeah, I should've looked up a few posts. I had the Sea Of Tranquility interview in the background so maybe I just misheard about the 2000's. I feel like 2000-onward has been documented pretty heavily just through internet articles/social media anyway so I'm not too disappointed about that. I'm really interested in hearing more about obscure albums like Caress of Steel, Grace Under Pressure, Hold Your Fire, and Presto that only get a brief mention before they move on to the more popular stuff. The detail given to pre-Rush and the debut album in this book is unreal, so I'm hoping that continues through its entirety.
I'm also glad to hear that similar books are being created about the 80's/90's/00's.I think you missed Rodrigo's response to my question. As of the moment, doesn't look like there's a book for the 2000s. I'd imagine if he was working on one, comments would've been made about it, as they were for the books on the 80s and 90s. Happy to be wrong, but doesn't look good for the moment. :-\
Ahhh...yeah, I should've looked up a few posts. I had the Sea Of Tranquility interview in the background so maybe I just misheard about the 2000's. I feel like 2000-onward has been documented pretty heavily just through internet articles/social media anyway so I'm not too disappointed about that. I'm really interested in hearing more about obscure albums like Caress of Steel, Grace Under Pressure, Hold Your Fire, and Presto that only get a brief mention before they move on to the more popular stuff. The detail given to pre-Rush and the debut album in this book is unreal, so I'm hoping that continues through its entirety.
I felt that there is progressively LESS information about each album/song as the book advances, but still lots of great insights. The band's frustration with Hemispheres is really well detailed in the book. And the fact that Martin devotes one chapter for a LIVE album says something about the level of care and dedication to telling the story properly. At least early on, the live albums were as pivotal for the band's history as the studio ones. I felt that after R30, with the way the industry changed, they started to release live albums after each and every tour, and this kind of release had less of an impact.
I'm also glad to hear that similar books are being created about the 80's/90's/00's.I think you missed Rodrigo's response to my question. As of the moment, doesn't look like there's a book for the 2000s. I'd imagine if he was working on one, comments would've been made about it, as they were for the books on the 80s and 90s. Happy to be wrong, but doesn't look good for the moment. :-\
Ahhh...yeah, I should've looked up a few posts. I had the Sea Of Tranquility interview in the background so maybe I just misheard about the 2000's. I feel like 2000-onward has been documented pretty heavily just through internet articles/social media anyway so I'm not too disappointed about that. I'm really interested in hearing more about obscure albums like Caress of Steel, Grace Under Pressure, Hold Your Fire, and Presto that only get a brief mention before they move on to the more popular stuff. The detail given to pre-Rush and the debut album in this book is unreal, so I'm hoping that continues through its entirety.
I felt that there is progressively LESS information about each album/song as the book advances, but still lots of great insights. The band's frustration with Hemispheres is really well detailed in the book. And the fact that Martin devotes one chapter for a LIVE album says something about the level of care and dedication to telling the story properly. At least early on, the live albums were as pivotal for the band's history as the studio ones. I felt that after R30, with the way the industry changed, they started to release live albums after each and every tour, and this kind of release had less of an impact.
I was afraid of that. Definitely not picking this up right away. Might wait a few years.
All this talk of Rush bios got me wondering...Definitely avoid Merely Players - from what I've read, all Robert Telleria did was just copy and paste a bunch of stuff off the internet and made a book. I had a copy, but it's not impressive at all. Even the title itself was misspelled Mereley Players, which should tell you a lot about the quality control of the book. I have Chemistry and Contents Under Pressure, which came out at roughly the same time, and they are different enough that they're both worth having. I have the original Illustrated History from Popoff, but don't know how it compares to Contents Under Pressure, since I never got around to reading it! :-p
I own and have read the following:
Rush Visions by Bill Banasiewicz
The Unofficial Illustrated History by Martin Popoff
And a couple others, both of which are at least 25 years old, and one of which, I think, only goes through Moving Pictures or thereabouts.
I've seen Beyond the Lighted Stage and own most of the tour programs going back to Moving Pictures (and also AFTK). And, of course, I've read tons of stuff online.
I have, over the past 15 years, put a bunch of other Rush books on my Amazon list:
Anthem and Limelight by Martin Popoff
Merely Players by Robert Telleria
Rush: Album by Album by Martin Popoff
Contents under Pressure by Martin Popoff (how many Rush bios has this guy written?!)
Rush FAQ by Max Mobley
Rush: Chemistry by Jon Collins
Wandering the Face of the Earth by Skip Daly and Eric Hansen
Are any of these not worth buying? Are there others I should look at? To the extent possible, I'd like to avoid a bunch of repetition and commonly-known stuff.
The Visions book by Banasiewicz was like the Bible for Rush fans for many years. The writer was a bit too "look at me!" with the writing, but there was a ton of great stuff in there, and that was back when we knew very little about the band outside of the music.
Definitely avoid Merely Players - from what I've read, all Robert Telleria did was just copy and paste a bunch of stuff off the internet and made a book. I had a copy, but it's not impressive at all. Even the title itself was misspelled Mereley Players, which should tell you a lot about the quality control of the book.
I'm also glad to hear that similar books are being created about the 80's/90's/00's.I think you missed Rodrigo's response to my question. As of the moment, doesn't look like there's a book for the 2000s. I'd imagine if he was working on one, comments would've been made about it, as they were for the books on the 80s and 90s. Happy to be wrong, but doesn't look good for the moment. :-\
Ahhh...yeah, I should've looked up a few posts. I had the Sea Of Tranquility interview in the background so maybe I just misheard about the 2000's. I feel like 2000-onward has been documented pretty heavily just through internet articles/social media anyway so I'm not too disappointed about that. I'm really interested in hearing more about obscure albums like Caress of Steel, Grace Under Pressure, Hold Your Fire, and Presto that only get a brief mention before they move on to the more popular stuff. The detail given to pre-Rush and the debut album in this book is unreal, so I'm hoping that continues through its entirety.
I felt that there is progressively LESS information about each album/song as the book advances, but still lots of great insights. The band's frustration with Hemispheres is really well detailed in the book. And the fact that Martin devotes one chapter for a LIVE album says something about the level of care and dedication to telling the story properly. At least early on, the live albums were as pivotal for the band's history as the studio ones. I felt that after R30, with the way the industry changed, they started to release live albums after each and every tour, and this kind of release had less of an impact.
I was afraid of that. Definitely not picking this up right away. Might wait a few years.
I'm up to 2112 chapter right now and it's definitely been an insightful book with lots of cool stories, though there is an unusual amount of sidetracking I could do without. There's like 5 pages just talking about the band's relationship with Kiss. Plus, I'm noticing certain anecdotes that I've seen online for years make their way into this, most notably, the fact that Fountain of Lamneth was played at the January 1976 Massey Hall show which is a rumor that nobody has really ever corroborated being presented as fact. I'm guessing it's just too much to ask for people to remember this far back accurately, but minor things like that bug me. I'd say it's worth it...I've never read another Rush biography (aside from Neil's books and the recent Tour History book), but this one seems comprehensive enough to be enjoyable.
I would be curious to hear other people's thoughts on Album by Album, because that's one book on your list that I don't have, and at the moment, don't see any need to get.
The Visions book by Banasiewicz was like the Bible for Rush fans for many years. The writer was a bit too "look at me!" with the writing, but there was a ton of great stuff in there, and that was back when we knew very little about the band outside of the music.
Definitely avoid Merely Players - from what I've read, all Robert Telleria did was just copy and paste a bunch of stuff off the internet and made a book. I had a copy, but it's not impressive at all. Even the title itself was misspelled Mereley Players, which should tell you a lot about the quality control of the book.
LOL! I never noticed that about the misspelling. Sounds like the best thing about the book might be that it resulted in an Amazon review that might be longer than the book itself!
Rush -- Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Excellence
Chronology
Experiencing Rush
That sounds familiar, and exactly why I probably won't bother picking it up. I'm more interested in getting the insight into how these albums developed and the like, rather than a bunch of (in some cases) famous people and others simply giving us their personal perspectives on these albums, which is basically what I get the impression this is. Of course, if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.I would be curious to hear other people's thoughts on Album by Album, because that's one book on your list that I don't have, and at the moment, don't see any need to get.That could be a Popoff favorite, only because of the people he interviewed. He found people that like the albums that they are commenting on for the most part. Of course, the ubiquitous Doug Maher and Robert Telleria feature as overbearing contributors and that was a negative for me, but overall it's not as bad as I thought it would be because Popoff leaves himself out of a lot of it. Being me of course I would have wanted focus on more of the live albums, but he's not really of a fan of those it seems.
Definitely avoid Merely Players - from what I've read, all Robert Telleria did was just copy and paste a bunch of stuff off the internet and made a book.
Not possible - this was before the quality Hugh's work started to drop off in terms of execution. (Not that it matters - I know you're joking.) :PDefinitely avoid Merely Players - from what I've read, all Robert Telleria did was just copy and paste a bunch of stuff off the internet and made a book.Maybe it was intentional on his part, emulating how Hugh Syme designs album artwork?
... It's been very difficult. After Neil passed in January I've played very little guitar. I don't feel inspired and motivated. It was the same thing when [Neil's] daughter died in a car accident in 1997. I didn't really play for about a year. I just don't feel it in my heart right now. Every time I pick up a guitar I just aimlessly kind of mess around with it and put it down. Normally I would pick up a guitar and I would play for a couple of hours without even being aware that I'm spending that much time. So I know it will come back. ... I don't know if the motivation is there for [Geddy and I] to do anything right now. We're certainly proud of our track record and we still love music. But it's different now ...
New interview with Alex...and it addresses why the creative silence.
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2020/05/31/5442/Alex-Lifeson-talks-golf-Rush-and-Neil-Peart-with-Ann-Liguori-in-new-radio-interviewQuote... It's been very difficult. After Neil passed in January I've played very little guitar. I don't feel inspired and motivated. It was the same thing when [Neil's] daughter died in a car accident in 1997. I didn't really play for about a year. I just don't feel it in my heart right now. Every time I pick up a guitar I just aimlessly kind of mess around with it and put it down. Normally I would pick up a guitar and I would play for a couple of hours without even being aware that I'm spending that much time. So I know it will come back. ... I don't know if the motivation is there for [Geddy and I] to do anything right now. We're certainly proud of our track record and we still love music. But it's different now ...
John, thanks for listing all the books. There's a few titles that don't sound familiar, so would you mind giving just a brief analysis of what these books focus on?Rush -- Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Excellence
Chronology
Experiencing Rush
That sounds familiar, and exactly why I probably won't bother picking it up. I'm more interested in getting the insight into how these albums developed and the like, rather than a bunch of (in some cases) famous people and others simply giving us their personal perspectives on these albums, which is basically what I get the impression this is. Of course, if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.I would be curious to hear other people's thoughts on Album by Album, because that's one book on your list that I don't have, and at the moment, don't see any need to get.That could be a Popoff favorite, only because of the people he interviewed. He found people that like the albums that they are commenting on for the most part. Of course, the ubiquitous Doug Maher and Robert Telleria feature as overbearing contributors and that was a negative for me, but overall it's not as bad as I thought it would be because Popoff leaves himself out of a lot of it. Being me of course I would have wanted focus on more of the live albums, but he's not really of a fan of those it seems.
Rush -- Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Excellence
Chronology
Experiencing Rush A Listeners Companion
New interview with Alex...and it addresses why the creative silence.
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2020/05/31/5442/Alex-Lifeson-talks-golf-Rush-and-Neil-Peart-with-Ann-Liguori-in-new-radio-interviewQuote... It's been very difficult. After Neil passed in January I've played very little guitar. I don't feel inspired and motivated. It was the same thing when [Neil's] daughter died in a car accident in 1997. I didn't really play for about a year. I just don't feel it in my heart right now. Every time I pick up a guitar I just aimlessly kind of mess around with it and put it down. Normally I would pick up a guitar and I would play for a couple of hours without even being aware that I'm spending that much time. So I know it will come back. ... I don't know if the motivation is there for [Geddy and I] to do anything right now. We're certainly proud of our track record and we still love music. But it's different now ...
New interview with Alex...and it addresses why the creative silence.
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2020/05/31/5442/Alex-Lifeson-talks-golf-Rush-and-Neil-Peart-with-Ann-Liguori-in-new-radio-interviewQuote... It's been very difficult. After Neil passed in January I've played very little guitar. I don't feel inspired and motivated. It was the same thing when [Neil's] daughter died in a car accident in 1997. I didn't really play for about a year. I just don't feel it in my heart right now. Every time I pick up a guitar I just aimlessly kind of mess around with it and put it down. Normally I would pick up a guitar and I would play for a couple of hours without even being aware that I'm spending that much time. So I know it will come back. ... I don't know if the motivation is there for [Geddy and I] to do anything right now. We're certainly proud of our track record and we still love music. But it's different now ...
Thanks for posting that.
If you listen to the interview, he sounds like he has almost no interest anymore in playing his guitar or doing anything resembling touring. He is 66, as is Geddy. Those guys have earned their retirement. :coolio :coolio
Totally understandable. As fans, we're all crushed about Neil. But to those guys, it was losing a brother who you had the closest bond to. There's no really getting over that. I mean, naturally, if Alex picks up a guitar, and plays a Rush riff, he'll be thinking of the drums, which would obviously make him put it down.
I don't expect Alex to ever tour again. Maybe release some songs in a few years, but nope. I expect Ged to do another solo album, maybe in a couple of years, and possibly tour. But I wouldn't expect to hear any Rush songs at all. I suspect it will be tough to look out on a sea of fans in Rush shirts. But then again, maybe seeing that will help the healing process.
Either way, whatever Alex and Ged need to do, they will do it, and I'll support it. :)
Hopefully this helps.It helps out a lot John - thanks! :tup. Chronology sounds like something I'd check out, but I will skip the other two.
Hopefully this helps.It helps out a lot John - thanks! :tup. Chronology sounds like something I'd check out, but I will skip the other two.
Producer Dennis Ward's solid fanboy analysis of the sonics of Red Barchetta: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzzxS29I7PwThat was cool, thanks for the link. l like how he discussed the tone of the guitar solo that was brought up earlier in this thread.
Just saw on Facebook that Rupert Hine passed away. Presto will always hold a special place for me, and I’m sure he was a big part of it (even if the sound on that one and Roll the Bones is oddly thin).
https://www.loudersound.com/news/rush-producer-rupert-hine-dead-at-72
Presto is one of my favorite albums by Rush. I love it.
I think it's the start of getting a real balance in the band between guitar, bass, keys, drums... I go back to it as much as any Rush album.
To me, Roll The Bones is just Presto but done horribly wrong. Presto has a lot of soft songs & many of the harder-hitting songs are really groovy, though neither feel out of place. With Roll The Bones, the two sides don't mesh together at all, & neither of them are enjoyable for me. Songs like the title track, Face Up, Where's My Thing, The Big Wheel & You Bet Your Life have so much forced """"edge"""" that they make me cringe (the attempt at being cool being especially pathetic considering the album charted alongside Nevermind & The Black Album), while songs like Heresy or Ghost Of A Chance put me to sleep, & then there's Neurotica which has the worst of both worlds. The only songs I like from Roll The Bones are the first two (Dreamline & Bravado, though I don't like the lyrics in the former). Presto on the other hand, feels a lot more like its own style. It feels a lot less pandering to me, & I can enjoy every song on Presto without facepalming into oblivion, if that says anything. :lolI was expecting this post to be a comparison of the two albums, but it turned into a rant against Roll The Bones. oof :\
I also love Presto, including the slim sound.
Also, Available Light is one of the best songs in Rush's entire catalogue if you ask me.
"Forced edge" is probably the best way I've heard RTB described, though I'm a bit more accepting of the cringiness on novelties like the title track and Where's My Thing (which is a pretty exciting instrumental imo). But holy shit, how did Neurotica make it out the studio? Rupert should've definitely "produced" them more and made them rewrite a few of the songs.
I also love Presto, including the slim sound.
Also, Available Light is one of the best songs in Rush's entire catalogue if you ask me.
Yes to Available Light for sure. In ones sense the “sound” on the album is perfect. There’s a sparseness that fits the songs and mood suggested by the black and white art work. But it would be nice for there to be a bit more low and middle end. I’ve mostly come to terms with the sound though. It’s still one of my favorite Rush albums regardless.
With Roll the Bones, the issue is really more the songs than the sound. The sound bothers me a little, but not so much on the great tracks (Dreamline, Bravado, Ghost of a Chance, and the title track - rap and all). The Big Wheel is ok, I guess.
There are four great songs on Roll the bones as far as I'm concerned: title track, Dreamline, Where's my thing and Ghost of a chance. Those four songs alone make it a good album, even though the rest of it is mostly forgettable. I mean, sometimes I'm in the mood for Bravado, but it's not a highlight on the album. Maybe I should revisit the entire record, I haven't played it in its entirety in years.
New official animated video for The Spirit of Radio. And it’s pretty freaking sweet.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/rush-the-spirit-of-radio-animated-video-1014023/
Direct link:
https://youtu.be/g_QtO0Rhp0w
New official animated video for The Spirit of Radio. And it’s pretty freaking sweet.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/rush-the-spirit-of-radio-animated-video-1014023/
Direct link:
https://youtu.be/g_QtO0Rhp0w
I LOVE the radio dial on Alex's fretboard, and the homage to Neil on the last frame. Incredible animation!!!!
New official animated video for The Spirit of Radio. And it’s pretty freaking sweet.I LOVE the radio dial on Alex's fretboard, and the homage to Neil on the last frame. Incredible animation!!!!
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/rush-the-spirit-of-radio-animated-video-1014023/
Direct link:
https://youtu.be/g_QtO0Rhp0w
A LOT of very cool stuff in there. The only thing I didn't like was the incorporation of the little hand thing during the choruses. I always hated that.
A LOT of very cool stuff in there. The only thing I didn't like was the incorporation of the little hand thing during the choruses. I always hated that.In the live setting I didn't mind it. In fact, I always associate it with the very first live video I ever saw from them - the Grace Under Pressure tour video. But in this video, it really doesn't make much sense, especially to anyone who's not in the know. And even then, there's plenty of other things they could've shown instead. So yeah, that was lame, but otherwise the video is very cool.
A LOT of very cool stuff in there. The only thing I didn't like was the incorporation of the little hand thing during the choruses. I always hated that.In the live setting I didn't mind it. In fact, I always associate it with the very first live video I ever saw from them - the Grace Under Pressure tour video. But in this video, it really doesn't make much sense, especially to anyone who's not in the know. And even then, there's plenty of other things they could've shown instead. So yeah, that was lame, but otherwise the video is very cool.
The hand thing is Ged's way of getting the crowd to clap. I always loved how a band full of nerdy, intricate songs with complex time signatures had moments where the crowd could join in just like a hard rock concert. I like the fact they included this in the video as well.
Just do a search for TSoR from 1984 or the GUP tour video, and you should be able to find it.The hand thing is Ged's way of getting the crowd to clap. I always loved how a band full of nerdy, intricate songs with complex time signatures had moments where the crowd could join in just like a hard rock concert. I like the fact they included this in the video as well.
Amazing I’ve never seen that. Is there a video of this anywhere?
Just do a search for TSoR from 1984 or the GUP tour video, and you should be able to find it.The hand thing is Ged's way of getting the crowd to clap. I always loved how a band full of nerdy, intricate songs with complex time signatures had moments where the crowd could join in just like a hard rock concert. I like the fact they included this in the video as well.
Amazing I’ve never seen that. Is there a video of this anywhere?
The hand thing is Ged's way of getting the crowd to clap. I always loved how a band full of nerdy, intricate songs with complex time signatures had moments where the crowd could join in just like a hard rock concert. I like the fact they included this in the video as well.
RTB isone ofthe weakest Rush albums IMO
RTB isone ofthe weakest Rush albums IMO
ftfy
While I generally agree with you, I have to wonder why you'd choose to post in a dedicated band thread for the SOLE purpose of dissing one of the band's albums.
GUP isFTFSone ofthe weakest Rush albums IMO
(https://media.makeameme.org/created/what-a-bunch-5b560c.jpg)I actually like GUP a lot - I'd probably rate it in the middle of Rush's catalog. (That post above was FTFS=fixed that for Stadler ;)) RtB is very hit and miss - I really like half the songs, and the other half have zero appeal to me.
:P :P
Roll the Bones is really good.
Grace Under Pressure is really good.
RTB isone ofthe weakest Rush albums IMO
ftfy
While I generally agree with you, I have to wonder why you'd choose to post in a dedicated band thread for the SOLE purpose of dissing one of the band's albums.
I actually like GUP a lot - I'd probably rate it in the middle of Rush's catalog. (That post above was FTFS=fixed that for Stadler ;)) RtB is very hit and miss - I really like half the songs, and the other half have zero appeal to me.
RTB isone ofthe weakest Rush albums IMO
ftfy
While I generally agree with you, I have to wonder why you'd choose to post in a dedicated band thread for the SOLE purpose of dissing one of the band's albums.
Not much different than you dissing the album in the dedicated RTB survivor. If you don't like the album, why even participate? Double standardize much?
In the most recent Fish on Friday episode Fish shows off his promo autographed copy of Power Windows. He said he forgot he had it. The band gave it to him after their leg of the tour. I'm going to be sad when he stops these. I'm hooked.
In the most recent Fish on Friday episode Fish shows off his promo autographed copy of Power Windows. He said he forgot he had it. The band gave it to him after their leg of the tour. I'm going to be sad when he stops these. I'm hooked.
Fish?
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In the most recent Fish on Friday episode Fish shows off his promo autographed copy of Power Windows. He said he forgot he had it. The band gave it to him after their leg of the tour. I'm going to be sad when he stops these. I'm hooked.
Fish?
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In the most recent Fish on Friday episode Fish shows off his promo autographed copy of Power Windows. He said he forgot he had it. The band gave it to him after their leg of the tour. I'm going to be sad when he stops these. I'm hooked.
Tim, great pictures!
It's funny that Rush's most infamous tour mates, KISS and UFO, were so rock and roll extreme.
Alex Lifeson tells the story that one night while they were on tour with UFO, the UFO guys all brought their bathrobes and slippers from their hotel, and stood together off stage mocking Rush and their stage robes. :lol
Tim, great pictures!
Two people in that first picture died in the last year.
What’s truly funny is that, in a few more years, Fish is going to start to resemble Fish.
Can you imagine a Scottish version of Fish? :rollin
Unfortunately, this Fish is sleeping.....
I just saw that the making of Snakes and Arrows documentary is on YouTube. I don’t know why I never saw it. I’ve had this album since the release day and it’s never really impressed me as much as most of their work. But, I will say after watching this, I’ve gained a new respect for this album. It’s like listening to it with new ears.
Fish the tv show spinoff of Barney Miller.
No, YtseRush is speaking of Fish, the former member of Marillion. But what Jammindude said is that soon Fish (ex-Marillion) is gonna start to resemble Fish (from Barney Miller). Then he asked "Can you imagine a Scottish version of Fish?" referring to whether you could imagine Fish (ex-Marillion) being a Scottish version of Fish (from Barney Miller). Make sense now? :biggrin:Fish the tv show spinoff of Barney Miller.
Wait...what??
When YtseRush wrote, "In the most recent Fish on Friday episode Fish shows off his promo autographed copy of Power Windows," he was actually talking about the Barney Miller character, Fish?
No, YtseRush is speaking of Fish, the former member of Marillion. But what Jammindude said is that soon Fish (ex-Marillion) is gonna start to resemble Fish (from Barney Miller). Then he asked "Can you imagine a Scottish version of Fish?" referring to whether you could imagine Fish (ex-Marillion) being a Scottish version of Fish (from Barney Miller). Make sense now? :biggrin:Fish the tv show spinoff of Barney Miller.
Wait...what??
When YtseRush wrote, "In the most recent Fish on Friday episode Fish shows off his promo autographed copy of Power Windows," he was actually talking about the Barney Miller character, Fish?
No, YtseRush is speaking of Fish, the former member of Marillion. But what Jammindude said is that soon Fish (ex-Marillion) is gonna start to resemble Fish (from Barney Miller). Then he asked "Can you imagine a Scottish version of Fish?" referring to whether you could imagine Fish (ex-Marillion) being a Scottish version of Fish (from Barney Miller). Make sense now? :biggrin:
Now we need a “Fish, Fish, and Phish” thread.
Now we need a “Fish, Fish, and Phish” thread.
No, YtseRush is speaking of Fish, the former member of Marillion. But what Jammindude said is that soon Fish (ex-Marillion) is gonna start to resemble Fish (from Barney Miller). Then he asked "Can you imagine a Scottish version of Fish?" referring to whether you could imagine Fish (ex-Marillion) being a Scottish version of Fish (from Barney Miller). Make sense now? :biggrin:Fish the tv show spinoff of Barney Miller.
Wait...what??
When YtseRush wrote, "In the most recent Fish on Friday episode Fish shows off his promo autographed copy of Power Windows," he was actually talking about the Barney Miller character, Fish?
Now we need a “Fish, Fish, and Phish” thread.
Catch the fish!
In the most recent Fish on Friday episode Fish shows off his promo autographed copy of Power Windows. He said he forgot he had it. The band gave it to him after their leg of the tour. I'm going to be sad when he stops these. I'm hooked.
So glad I got to see Marillion open for Rush on the Power Windows tour and playing Misplaced Childhood in full as the opener.
Tim, great pictures!
No, YtseRush is speaking of Fish, the former member of Marillion. But what Jammindude said is that soon Fish (ex-Marillion) is gonna start to resemble Fish (from Barney Miller). Then he asked "Can you imagine a Scottish version of Fish?" referring to whether you could imagine Fish (ex-Marillion) being a Scottish version of Fish (from Barney Miller). Make sense now? :biggrin:Fish the tv show spinoff of Barney Miller.
Wait...what??
When YtseRush wrote, "In the most recent Fish on Friday episode Fish shows off his promo autographed copy of Power Windows," he was actually talking about the Barney Miller character, Fish?
I love Phish. I saw them in Hartford. Good show.
Bonus pic for no particular reason
(https://i.imgur.com/vEzYgKW.jpg)
Somebody wants a kick to the nads.Tim seems to always be asking for it too. :lol
No, YtseRush is speaking of Fish, the former member of Marillion. But what Jammindude said is that soon Fish (ex-Marillion) is gonna start to resemble Fish (from Barney Miller). Then he asked "Can you imagine a Scottish version of Fish?" referring to whether you could imagine Fish (ex-Marillion) being a Scottish version of Fish (from Barney Miller). Make sense now? :biggrin:Fish the tv show spinoff of Barney Miller.
Wait...what??
When YtseRush wrote, "In the most recent Fish on Friday episode Fish shows off his promo autographed copy of Power Windows," he was actually talking about the Barney Miller character, Fish?
I love Phish. I saw them in Hartford. Good show.
I almost bought tickets to see them back around 1990 thinking that Fish was touring the US. I thought Ticketbastard had the spelling wrong, but I didn't want to take the chance anyway since there was no immediate indication of a US Tour at that time. Too add insult to injury, "An Emotional Fish" was touring then too.
No, YtseRush is speaking of Fish, the former member of Marillion. But what Jammindude said is that soon Fish (ex-Marillion) is gonna start to resemble Fish (from Barney Miller). Then he asked "Can you imagine a Scottish version of Fish?" referring to whether you could imagine Fish (ex-Marillion) being a Scottish version of Fish (from Barney Miller). Make sense now? :biggrin:Fish the tv show spinoff of Barney Miller.
Wait...what??
When YtseRush wrote, "In the most recent Fish on Friday episode Fish shows off his promo autographed copy of Power Windows," he was actually talking about the Barney Miller character, Fish?
I love Phish. I saw them in Hartford. Good show.
I almost bought tickets to see them back around 1990 thinking that Fish was touring the US. I thought Ticketbastard had the spelling wrong, but I didn't want to take the chance anyway since there was no immediate indication of a US Tour at that time. Too add insult to injury, "An Emotional Fish" was touring then too.
I almost did the same thing, but I got lucky; it was a show at Toad's in CT, and I went to but tickets and made the comment about the spelling, and the kid at the box office set me straight.
Was reading tweets today regarding Ged's birthday and noticed he got a message from LeStudio. I found that rather odd. Did some digging and discovered that someone is in the process of restoring the recording section of the building as it did not burn down during the fire there. Only the resident section burned.
From the site:
We are working at Le Studio everyday now. We installed some new windows, doors, solar panels, 16 cameras around the building, a security alarm system connected to the central, lights around the property, a new Hydro panel, major clean up not finish yet but a great start and lots more work. We are working with the owner. We are restoring LE STUDIO into a Rush museum, a recording school a souvenir shop and way more.
Videos of the some of the restoration process:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMheR-u0wj9mSoBVrx2ap9Q
Site with memorabilia from the studio:
https://www.freewebstore.org/souvenirs-of-le-studio
This is super cool. If they are able to fully realize this dream, I would absolutely try to plan a trip one day to go visit that place. It is holy land for Rush fans.
Well, the YouTube page is updating rather regularly with video reports of the progress. It also looks like that the LeStudio stationary in the PW Super Deluxe set has the rebuildlestudio.com URL on it. That would seem to make it look rather legit to me.
He is clearly making progress on the building so something is definitely being done.
I just realised that I haven't listened to any Rush at all since Neil's passing in January. At first I couldn't bare to listen to it, and then... it just slipped my mind.
I'll have to spin some Rush this weekend. The time is right.
www.rushfestscotland.co.uk/album/
A tribute album is being released by Rushfest Scotland as a way to commemorate Neil's Birthday in September. It features "14 Rush songs covered by Rush tribute bands from around the world - including Jacob Moon (Canada), Fleesh (Brazil), Moving Pictures (Scotland) and many more." The artwork, I believe, is also done by Hugh Syme himself!
It'll be on CD, red vinyl, and digital download, with all the profits going to Cancer Support Scotland in the UK and Glioblastoma Foundation Neil Peart Research Award in the USA.
-Marc.
www.rushfestscotland.co.uk/album/
A tribute album is being released by Rushfest Scotland as a way to commemorate Neil's Birthday in September. It features "14 Rush songs covered by Rush tribute bands from around the world - including Jacob Moon (Canada), Fleesh (Brazil), Moving Pictures (Scotland) and many more." The artwork, I believe, is also done by Hugh Syme himself!
It'll be on CD, red vinyl, and digital download, with all the profits going to Cancer Support Scotland in the UK and Glioblastoma Foundation Neil Peart Research Award in the USA.
-Marc.
Hmmm...maybe. The problem with most Rush covers is that the vocals are lacking. For my money, the best Rush covers are done by YYNOT.
www.rushfestscotland.co.uk/album/
A tribute album is being released by Rushfest Scotland as a way to commemorate Neil's Birthday in September. It features "14 Rush songs covered by Rush tribute bands from around the world - including Jacob Moon (Canada), Fleesh (Brazil), Moving Pictures (Scotland) and many more." The artwork, I believe, is also done by Hugh Syme himself!
It'll be on CD, red vinyl, and digital download, with all the profits going to Cancer Support Scotland in the UK and Glioblastoma Foundation Neil Peart Research Award in the USA.
-Marc.
I just realised that I haven't listened to any Rush at all since Neil's passing in January. At first I couldn't bare to listen to it, and then... it just slipped my mind.
I'll have to spin some Rush this weekend. The time is right.
I'm on a run through the whole catalog (including live albums). I just finished up Hemispheres this morning on the way into work.
BY THE WAY...I listened again to the covers on the AFTK bonus disc. I had definitely listened to DT's cover of Xanadu before, but I'm not sure if I listened to the other covers. The cover of Cinderella Man by The Trews was ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC! It's such an underrated song in their catalog, IMO, and I'm bummed they never played it live after the AFTK tour.* I feel like I'm gonna have to check out some other Trews material.
* - Setlist.fm indicates that Cinderella Man was in the set list on one random show on the Permanent Waves tour, but this seems spurious.
www.rushfestscotland.co.uk/album/
A tribute album is being released by Rushfest Scotland as a way to commemorate Neil's Birthday in September. It features "14 Rush songs covered by Rush tribute bands from around the world - including Jacob Moon (Canada), Fleesh (Brazil), Moving Pictures (Scotland) and many more." The artwork, I believe, is also done by Hugh Syme himself!
It'll be on CD, red vinyl, and digital download, with all the profits going to Cancer Support Scotland in the UK and Glioblastoma Foundation Neil Peart Research Award in the USA.
-Marc.
Hmmm...maybe. The problem with most Rush covers is that the vocals are lacking. For my money, the best Rush covers are done by YYNOT.
Jacob Moon does a great job with Rush covers, even if he has to reinterpret them a bit to suit his vocal style/range.
www.rushfestscotland.co.uk/album/
A tribute album is being released by Rushfest Scotland as a way to commemorate Neil's Birthday in September. It features "14 Rush songs covered by Rush tribute bands from around the world - including Jacob Moon (Canada), Fleesh (Brazil), Moving Pictures (Scotland) and many more." The artwork, I believe, is also done by Hugh Syme himself!
It'll be on CD, red vinyl, and digital download, with all the profits going to Cancer Support Scotland in the UK and Glioblastoma Foundation Neil Peart Research Award in the USA.
-Marc.
Hmmm...maybe. The problem with most Rush covers is that the vocals are lacking. For my money, the best Rush covers are done by YYNOT.
Jacob Moon does a great job with Rush covers, even if he has to reinterpret them a bit to suit his vocal style/range.
I think I've only ever heard his cover of Subdivisions, which I really liked.
On another note, I started listening to the bonus disc that came with the Permanent Waves 40th anniversary release. Alex does a little classical guitar piece before The Trees that is really good. It's probably what morphed into Broon's Bane, but it's not really all that similar. It would have been cool if he had done a bunch of little classical guitar pieces a la Steve Howe and Rik Emmett.
On another note, I started listening to the bonus disc that came with the Permanent Waves 40th anniversary release. Alex does a little classical guitar piece before The Trees that is really good. It's probably what morphed into Broon's Bane, but it's not really all that similar. It would have been cool if he had done a bunch of little classical guitar pieces a la Steve Howe and Rik Emmett.
That intro was the highlight of that bonus disc for me. Wouldn't surprise me if it was improved on every night of the European leg of that tour.
Modern drummer festival this year, featuring a Rush tribute:
https://www.livexlive.com/live-events/festival/modern-drummer-festival?source=ref_moderndrummer_moderndrummer&utm_campaign=event-moderndrummer&utm_source=moderndrummer&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=moderndrummer
It would be even cooler if they play something unusual that Rush never or rarely played live.
Modern drummer festival this year, featuring a Rush tribute:
https://www.livexlive.com/live-events/festival/modern-drummer-festival?source=ref_moderndrummer_moderndrummer&utm_campaign=event-moderndrummer&utm_source=moderndrummer&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=moderndrummer
It would be even cooler if they play something unusual that Rush never or rarely played live.
I asked MP about it on FacebooK: "Is there any chance of a Rush deep cut in your tribute, Mike?"
He replied: "Tune in to find out..."
So, let's see... I think there's some real chance for The Necromancer... fingers crossed!
Modern drummer festival this year, featuring a Rush tribute:
https://www.livexlive.com/live-events/festival/modern-drummer-festival?source=ref_moderndrummer_moderndrummer&utm_campaign=event-moderndrummer&utm_source=moderndrummer&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=moderndrummer
It would be even cooler if they play something unusual that Rush never or rarely played live.
Fountain of Lamneth please. Didacts & Narpets would be such a good tribute to Neil's skills as a drummer! :heart
I can. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRbqfgRLxfE) Some man named Mike Mangini.Modern drummer festival this year, featuring a Rush tribute:
https://www.livexlive.com/live-events/festival/modern-drummer-festival?source=ref_moderndrummer_moderndrummer&utm_campaign=event-moderndrummer&utm_source=moderndrummer&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=moderndrummer
It would be even cooler if they play something unusual that Rush never or rarely played live.
Fountain of Lamneth please. Didacts & Narpets would be such a good tribute to Neil's skills as a drummer! :heart
I think someone did that (Didacts and Narpets) once, but I can't remember who.
Pretty sure I've heard of him. The guy with the cymbals way up there.Yeah, I believe he uses an elevator to get to them.
I can. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRbqfgRLxfE) Some man named Mike Mangini.Who?
I asked MP about it on FacebooK: "Is there any chance of a Rush deep cut in your tribute, Mike?"
He replied: "Tune in to find out..."
So, let's see... I think there's some real chance for The Necromancer... fingers crossed!
How was it? I went with the Scottish Rush Tribute album instead.
Thanks so much for the laughs. Much needed.I can. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRbqfgRLxfE) Some man named Mike Mangini.Who?
Nice cover except those vocals - talk about lame. :facepalm:
I asked MP about it on FacebooK: "Is there any chance of a Rush deep cut in your tribute, Mike?"
He replied: "Tune in to find out..."
So, let's see... I think there's some real chance for The Necromancer... fingers crossed!
How was it? I went with the Scottish Rush Tribute album instead.
Only now I saw your question, ytserush...
It was a nice festival, but I thought it would be something like Morsefest this year, without audience, but recorded somewhere with a band and various drummers. It wasn't the case. It was like most of streaming events in the pandemic, with every artist recording alone in his own studio.
Anyway, a lot of great drumming in the festival, during 3 hours. Every drummer had around a 5 minute spot, talking about NP and making drums solos dedicated to him, but not playing his drums parts. Only Portnoy, Chad smith and , (I think) a third one, which I'm not remembering right now, played Neil's drums parts. Portnoy basically redid the Stage Left drum solo, adding some other songs on it (like that robotic pattern from The Body Electric , that drum breakdown of By-Tor and a few more) and Chad played the 2112 first two parts.
The prolific biographer and fellow Torontonian Martin Popoff has released today part 2 of his Rush trilogy. Entitled "Limeligh: Rush in the '80s", it's the sequel of "Anthem: Rush in the '70's", and will be followed by "Driven: Rush in the '90s and beyond". Here's my review of the book:
https://www.sonicper...ush-in-the-80s/
The prolific biographer and fellow Torontonian Martin Popoff has released today part 2 of his Rush trilogy. Entitled "Limeligh: Rush in the '80s", it's the sequel of "Anthem: Rush in the '70's", and will be followed by "Driven: Rush in the '90s and beyond". Here's my review of the book:
https://www.sonicper...ush-in-the-80s/
Repaired linky
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/features/limelight-rush-in-the-80s/
I've been secretly hoping that Geddy, Alex and MP would announce that they are going to make an album together...maybe even bring in a 4th guy, a primary vocalist who can belt it out. It just seems like such a perfect scenario.
Sadly, I agree. Would love to see those 3 get together, along with a vocalist *and* a keyboardist - allow Geddy just to focus on playing bass and doing backup vocals, and leave the primary vocals and keyboards to others - but it ain't gonna happen. Those guys are too old and comfortable to get back into doing something serious even on a part time basis (like Flying Colors or Transatlantic).I've been secretly hoping that Geddy, Alex and MP would announce that they are going to make an album together...maybe even bring in a 4th guy, a primary vocalist who can belt it out. It just seems like such a perfect scenario.Won't happen. I think the closest we'll get to see of those two guys being active is Alex doing special collaborations on stand alone songs - he did one with Marco Minneman not too long ago, and every now and then another one pops up - and maybe, just maybe, Geddy's tour playing stuff from his solo album and a few other songs to complete the setlist.
How about Geddy playing bass on a tour with Yes (or some version of Yes that is)? He's such a big fan of the band and Chris Squire, he may be inclined to do it. I know he was super honored to play with them at the Rock n Roll hall of fame induction.
Sadly, I agree. Would love to see those 3 get together, along with a vocalist *and* a keyboardist - allow Geddy just to focus on playing bass and doing backup vocals, and leave the primary vocals and keyboards to others - but it ain't gonna happen. Those guys are too old and comfortable to get back into doing something serious even on a part time basis (like Flying Colors or Transatlantic).I've been secretly hoping that Geddy, Alex and MP would announce that they are going to make an album together...maybe even bring in a 4th guy, a primary vocalist who can belt it out. It just seems like such a perfect scenario.Won't happen. I think the closest we'll get to see of those two guys being active is Alex doing special collaborations on stand alone songs - he did one with Marco Minneman not too long ago, and every now and then another one pops up - and maybe, just maybe, Geddy's tour playing stuff from his solo album and a few other songs to complete the setlist.
As far as the MP thing, I can't really articulate why, but that doesn't sound appealing to me. Maybe it's because I haven't enjoyed what I've heard of MP's post-DT stuff. On the other hand, if MP's energy and enthusiasm can get Geddy and Alex to start making music again, that would be pretty awesome!
As far as the MP thing, I can't really articulate why, but that doesn't sound appealing to me. Maybe it's because I haven't enjoyed what I've heard of MP's post-DT stuff. On the other hand, if MP's energy and enthusiasm can get Geddy and Alex to start making music again, that would be pretty awesome!
I'm sort of with you on this. Mike and Neal are both on my drumming Mt. Rushmore, but I just feel like all the baggage around it might be too much. And then if it's more "Grace Under Pressure" than "A Farewell To Kings", that won't be good either.
As far as the MP thing, I can't really articulate why, but that doesn't sound appealing to me. Maybe it's because I haven't enjoyed what I've heard of MP's post-DT stuff. On the other hand, if MP's energy and enthusiasm can get Geddy and Alex to start making music again, that would be pretty awesome!
I'm sort of with you on this. Mike and Neil are both on my drumming Mt. Rushmore, but I just feel like all the baggage around it might be too much. And then if it's more "Grace Under Pressure" than "A Farewell To Kings", that won't be good either.
If I read this correctly, you're old school. I used to know a guy who didn't like anything after AFTK which I found odd.
Given that they seemed to be headed back into a prog-ish direction on the last one or two albums, I'd imagine that such a project would be in more of a CA meets AFtK vibe.As far as the MP thing, I can't really articulate why, but that doesn't sound appealing to me. Maybe it's because I haven't enjoyed what I've heard of MP's post-DT stuff. On the other hand, if MP's energy and enthusiasm can get Geddy and Alex to start making music again, that would be pretty awesome!
I'm sort of with you on this. Mike and Neal are both on my drumming Mt. Rushmore, but I just feel like all the baggage around it might be too much. And then if it's more "Grace Under Pressure" than "A Farewell To Kings", that won't be good either.
Well, generally, I AM old school, but not Rush. Signals and Presto are at the top of my list (though "Hemispheres" is one of my favorite records of all time, ever, and La Villa Strangiato is my favorite Rush song), and a big fan of Power Windows (Hi, TAC!) and Snakes And Arrows. I just hate p/g for some reason; well, I know why: I think it's one of the few Rush albums where they let the "moment" (the mid-80's) influence them, and I think it's the worst drum sound Neil ever got, and it ruins the record for me. I DO like AFTK, though.SO Stads, how do you feel about the songs themselves? For instance, when you heard those songs live or on their live albums? For example, I think BtW is *anything* but mid-80s sounding, especially on the live releases. To varying degrees, I think the same could be said for the other songs.
SO Stads, how do you feel about the songs themselves? For instance, when you heard those songs live or on their live albums? For example, I think BtW is *anything* but mid-80s sounding, especially on the live releases. To varying degrees, I think the same could be said for the other songs.
As far as the MP thing, I can't really articulate why, but that doesn't sound appealing to me. Maybe it's because I haven't enjoyed what I've heard of MP's post-DT stuff. On the other hand, if MP's energy and enthusiasm can get Geddy and Alex to start making music again, that would be pretty awesome!
I'm sort of with you on this. Mike and Neal are both on my drumming Mt. Rushmore, but I just feel like all the baggage around it might be too much. And then if it's more "Grace Under Pressure" than "A Farewell To Kings", that won't be good either.
Given that they seemed to be headed back into a prog-ish direction on the last one or two albums, I'd imagine that such a project would be in more of a CA meets AFtK vibe.As far as the MP thing, I can't really articulate why, but that doesn't sound appealing to me. Maybe it's because I haven't enjoyed what I've heard of MP's post-DT stuff. On the other hand, if MP's energy and enthusiasm can get Geddy and Alex to start making music again, that would be pretty awesome!
I'm sort of with you on this. Mike and Neal are both on my drumming Mt. Rushmore, but I just feel like all the baggage around it might be too much. And then if it's more "Grace Under Pressure" than "A Farewell To Kings", that won't be good either.
Well, generally, I AM old school, but not Rush. Signals and Presto are at the top of my list (though "Hemispheres" is one of my favorite records of all time, ever, and La Villa Strangiato is my favorite Rush song), and a big fan of Power Windows (Hi, TAC!) and Snakes And Arrows. I just hate p/g for some reason; well, I know why: I think it's one of the few Rush albums where they let the "moment" (the mid-80's) influence them, and I think it's the worst drum sound Neil ever got, and it ruins the record for me. I DO like AFTK, though.SO Stads, how do you feel about the songs themselves? For instance, when you heard those songs live or on their live albums? For example, I think BtW is *anything* but mid-80s sounding, especially on the live releases. To varying degrees, I think the same could be said for the other songs.
Stadler is consistent in his dislike for Grace Under Pressure. I’ll give him that.
I love Kid Gloves.
- Rush was always fabled to have one song that wasn't intended to be played live, that was a "kitchen sink" song. I don't know if BTW is that song, but it's a great tune that deserves a better presentation. Rush (and Judas Priest, oddly) are two bands that you can track the progression of their sound. They have a number of songs that sound very much of ANOTHER album, and BTW is one of them. It sounds out of place on p/g but would sound perfect on Side Two, just as it is, on Power Windows.
Between The Wheels was a highlight of the already excellent R30 concert.The only thing I didn't like about the R30 setlist was that too much of it was a repeat from the VT setlist. Thankfully for the remaining tours they did following, they shook up the setlist a lot more. That said, BtW was an awesome surprise and I never expected to see that song live, just as I had not expected to ever see Natural Science until they resurrected it for the T4E tour (which is still, IMO, the best version of the song - I prefer the version on DS over all the other live releases it's on).
Between The Wheels was a highlight of the already excellent R30 concert.The only thing I didn't like about the R30 setlist was that too much of it was a repeat from the VT setlist. Thankfully for the remaining tours they did following, they shook up the setlist a lot more. That said, BtW was an awesome surprise and I never expected to see that song live, just as I had not expected to ever see Natural Science until they resurrected it for the T4E tour (which is still, IMO, the best version of the song - I prefer the version on DS over all the other live releases it's on).
Not a fan of them either, but given that it was a release they were more or less supporting, I can forgive them for including 4 of them in the setlist. Besides, they're on the short side (less than 15 minutes), so it's not like they take up a lot of time of an Evening With show.Between The Wheels was a highlight of the already excellent R30 concert.The only thing I didn't like about the R30 setlist was that too much of it was a repeat from the VT setlist. Thankfully for the remaining tours they did following, they shook up the setlist a lot more. That said, BtW was an awesome surprise and I never expected to see that song live, just as I had not expected to ever see Natural Science until they resurrected it for the T4E tour (which is still, IMO, the best version of the song - I prefer the version on DS over all the other live releases it's on).
My only complaint about R30 is they did too many of the Feedback covers. I always just skip those!
On the covers album - do you guys remember that their initial idea was to include a Hendrix song? Geddy said that having a white guy from Canada cover a bluesy, black guy's voice would be too weird.Yeah, I remember reading that. There was also a brief thought about them covering a Zeppelin song but that was quickly voted out since they felt they couldn't do it justice. I remember them saying in essence that they only wanted to cover a song if they felt that their version could stand up to the original; if it couldn't, they discarded it.
Only provided for constrast: I LOVE the Feedback EP.
Only provided for constrast: I LOVE the Feedback EP.
For completeness’ sake I should probably track it down. That and the self titled are the only Rush studio albums I don’t own. I heard it once in a record store though and didn’t think much of it at the time. The live versions didn’t inspire me either. I suppose if you like the originals you might be more inclined to like the covers.
Part 2 of Martin Popoff's trilogy came out this week, Limelight, which covers Rush through the 80's. So far an enjoyable read, yet oddly enough it's nearly all info that I've read previously over the years whether it be from interviews, tour books, or Wandering The Face of The Earth. I just finished the ESL chapter and I'm hoping there's fresh info I haven't seen before detailing my favorite run of their albums, GuP through HYF.
The PeW chapter bugged me though. I always get annoyed with the notion that Rush has tons of long songs and PeW is the first album where they finally write shorter, catchier songs. They only have about 8 songs that I would consider long by 70's standards, and were writing shorter catchy, intricate songs as early as Anthem.
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Part 2 of Martin Popoff's trilogy came out this week, Limelight, which covers Rush through the 80's. So far an enjoyable read, yet oddly enough it's nearly all info that I've read previously over the years whether it be from interviews, tour books, or Wandering The Face of The Earth. I just finished the ESL chapter and I'm hoping there's fresh info I haven't seen before detailing my favorite run of their albums, GuP through HYF.
The PeW chapter bugged me though. I always get annoyed with the notion that Rush has tons of long songs and PeW is the first album where they finally write shorter, catchier songs. They only have about 8 songs that I would consider long by 70's standards, and were writing shorter catchy, intricate songs as early as Anthem.
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Yeah, that is a weird thing to say about the song lengths. Even 2112 and Hemispheres have some shorter songs on them. It’s more that there weren’t any huge epics on Permanent Waves.
Part 2 of Martin Popoff's trilogy came out this week, Limelight, which covers Rush through the 80's. So far an enjoyable read, yet oddly enough it's nearly all info that I've read previously over the years whether it be from interviews, tour books, or Wandering The Face of The Earth. I just finished the ESL chapter and I'm hoping there's fresh info I haven't seen before detailing my favorite run of their albums, GuP through HYF.
The PeW chapter bugged me though. I always get annoyed with the notion that Rush has tons of long songs and PeW is the first album where they finally write shorter, catchier songs. They only have about 8 songs that I would consider long by 70's standards, and were writing shorter catchy, intricate songs as early as Anthem.
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Yeah, that is a weird thing to say about the song lengths. Even 2112 and Hemispheres have some shorter songs on them. It’s more that there weren’t any huge epics on Permanent Waves.
I dunno, Jacob's Ladder and Natural Science were epic IMO. You don't need a 20 min song to consider it epic.
Part 2 of Martin Popoff's trilogy came out this week, Limelight, which covers Rush through the 80's. So far an enjoyable read, yet oddly enough it's nearly all info that I've read previously over the years whether it be from interviews, tour books, or Wandering The Face of The Earth. I just finished the ESL chapter and I'm hoping there's fresh info I haven't seen before detailing my favorite run of their albums, GuP through HYF.
The PeW chapter bugged me though. I always get annoyed with the notion that Rush has tons of long songs and PeW is the first album where they finally write shorter, catchier songs. They only have about 8 songs that I would consider long by 70's standards, and were writing shorter catchy, intricate songs as early as Anthem.
Lots of abbreviations in this post
Yeah, that is a weird thing to say about the song lengths. Even 2112 and Hemispheres have some shorter songs on them. It’s more that there weren’t any huge epics on Permanent Waves.
I dunno, Jacob's Ladder and Natural Science were epic IMO. You don't need a 20 min song to consider it epic.
Epic in terms of length. 7:00 and 9:00 minute tracks as opposed to having an 18-20 minute side long epics like on Caress of Steel, 2112, and Hemispheres. Though really A Fairwell to Kings has similar song lengths as Permanent Waves, including the short catchy “hit” Closer to the Heart. Mostly it was just a lazy characterization by the author.
Part 2 of Martin Popoff's trilogy came out this week, Limelight, which covers Rush through the 80's. So far an enjoyable read, yet oddly enough it's nearly all info that I've read previously over the years whether it be from interviews, tour books, or Wandering The Face of The Earth. I just finished the ESL chapter and I'm hoping there's fresh info I haven't seen before detailing my favorite run of their albums, GuP through HYF.
The PeW chapter bugged me though. I always get annoyed with the notion that Rush has tons of long songs and PeW is the first album where they finally write shorter, catchier songs. They only have about 8 songs that I would consider long by 70's standards, and were writing shorter catchy, intricate songs as early as Anthem.
Lots of abbreviations in this post
Yeah, that is a weird thing to say about the song lengths. Even 2112 and Hemispheres have some shorter songs on them. It’s more that there weren’t any huge epics on Permanent Waves.
I dunno, Jacob's Ladder and Natural Science were epic IMO. You don't need a 20 min song to consider it epic.
Epic in terms of length. 7:00 and 9:00 minute tracks as opposed to having an 18-20 minute side long epics like on Caress of Steel, 2112, and Hemispheres. Though really A Fairwell to Kings has similar song lengths as Permanent Waves, including the short catchy “hit” Closer to the Heart. Mostly it was just a lazy characterization by the author.
The point he makes is backed up by concurring statements from members of the band. Maybe there's a trend here to overanalyze everything. I don't think the book is lazy at all, not least of all when he addresses this particular issue.
I've been secretly hoping that Geddy, Alex and MP would announce that they are going to make an album together...maybe even bring in a 4th guy, a primary vocalist who can belt it out. It just seems like such a perfect scenario.
Won't happen. I think the closest we'll get to see of those two guys being active is Alex doing special collaborations on stand alone songs - he did one with Marco Minneman not too long ago, and every now and then another one pops up - and maybe, just maybe, Geddy's tour playing stuff from his solo album and a few other songs to complete the setlist.
One factor might be that it's generally much easier to find a guest spot for a guitarist than for a bassist. It might be that Geddy would hypothetically be willing to do guest spots just as much as Alex, but the offers simply aren't there due to his instrument.
Only provided for contrast: I LOVE the Feedback EP.
What's wrong with Crossroads?Only provided for contrast: I LOVE the Feedback EP.
I pull that off of the shelf every few months and more than that during the summer.
Like it a lot (except for Crossroads of course.)
What's wrong with Crossroads?Only provided for contrast: I LOVE the Feedback EP.
I pull that off of the shelf every few months and more than that during the summer.
Like it a lot (except for Crossroads of course.)
Ah, gotcha. Fair enough. I like the original well enough, but I really enjoyed Alex's take on the guitar parts.What's wrong with Crossroads?Only provided for contrast: I LOVE the Feedback EP.
I pull that off of the shelf every few months and more than that during the summer.
Like it a lot (except for Crossroads of course.)
Not a fan of the original song and not a lot was done to it to make me enjoy it more although Rush seemed to have fun playing it.
Unpopular opinion: I don't think the side one of Moving Pictures is that great as nearly everyone claims. These days I tend to think the second side is musically more interesting (esp. The Camera Eye).
Red Barchetta and Limelight struck me as ordinary radio-friendly rock songs. I don't get why these two songs get too much love.
Unpopular opinion: I don't think the side one of Moving Pictures is that great as nearly everyone claims. These days I tend to think the second side is musically more interesting (esp. The Camera Eye).
Red Barchetta and Limelight struck me as ordinary radio-friendly rock songs. I don't get why these two songs get too much love.
I disagree about Red Barchetta (how many radio songs are 6 minutes without a real chorus?).
That said, Moving Pictures has always been one of the Rush albums I liked/played the least. YYZ is just ok as far as instrumentals go and Witch Hunt and Vital Signs are unremarkable. The Camera Eye and Red Barchetta are brilliant, but the other two tracks are radio staples in Limelight and Tom Sawyer, which are great songs but I’m less likely to put an album on just for them. So I’d be more likely to listen to Red Barchetta or The Camera Eye in isolation than to listen to the whole album.
That said, I do think it’s a fairly brilliant album. Just not one I seek out purposely very often.
Moving Pictures is a top two Rush record, and only because I feel like a cheater if I put it ahead of Hemispheres. It is frequently the Rush record I grab for a car ride. I love every song on there except for Vital Signs (that's another one of those songs that seemed to fit better on a subsequent album; that belongs on Signals, IMO, both musically and thematically).
I still think Tom Sawyer is a transcendent song, and Red Barchetta and The Camera Eye are not far behind. LOVE that record.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; one's opinion on Moving Pictures as a whole album will likely come down to their opinion on The Camera Eye. It's not hard to be absolutely smitten with Side A of MP- that half of the album is just classic after classic.
For me though, try as I might, I've never liked The Camera Eye all that much. And not only is it ten minutes long, it roughly takes up a whole quarter of Moving Pictures' runtime. So if that huge chunk of the album doesn't click, then you're looking at an opening half of an album that's a genuine masterpiece, while the other half has a huge chunk you don't like and then two other songs that are alright, but nothing special compared to the salvo that the album opened up with.
Unpopular opinion: I don't think the side one of Moving Pictures is that great as nearly everyone claims. These days I tend to think the second side is musically more interesting (esp. The Camera Eye).
Red Barchetta and Limelight struck me as ordinary radio-friendly rock songs. I don't get why these two songs get too much love.
It seems odd to me that any one song should make or break an album and cause listeners to lean one way or the other. But I love TCE anyway. Such an epic!
It seems odd to me that any one song should make or break an album and cause listeners to lean one way or the other. But I love TCE anyway. Such an epic!
Normally, I would agree. The issue is that Moving Pictures (much like other classic Rush albums of that era) has a rather "short" runtime, clocking in at around 40 minutes. While that can be a great length for an album, it means you have to make every minute count.
And as I said before- The Camera Eye is a ten minute long epic. That one song alone takes up an entire quarter of the whole album's runtime. So yeah, as I said before, that's why I personally believe TCE makes or breaks Moving Pictures as a whole for listeners.
It seems odd to me that any one song should make or break an album and cause listeners to lean one way or the other. But I love TCE anyway. Such an epic!
Normally, I would agree. The issue is that Moving Pictures (much like other classic Rush albums of that era) has a rather "short" runtime, clocking in at around 40 minutes. While that can be a great length for an album, it means you have to make every minute count.
And as I said before- The Camera Eye is a ten minute long epic. That one song alone takes up an entire quarter of the whole album's runtime. So yeah, as I said before, that's why I personally believe TCE makes or breaks Moving Pictures as a whole for listeners.
I purposely waited a day trying to digest your response and frankly it still doesn't make sense to me. It sounds like you're saying that because of TCE, people are throwing the baby out with the bath water. l have never heard of anyone saying that any one song with any artist pans an entire album because of one song. Especially an album as strong as MP. I certainly could be misinterpreting your post and I am pretty sure I am older than you meaning that we have different experiences so maybe people you know feel this way.
It seems odd to me that any one song should make or break an album and cause listeners to lean one way or the other. But I love TCE anyway. Such an epic!
Normally, I would agree. The issue is that Moving Pictures (much like other classic Rush albums of that era) has a rather "short" runtime, clocking in at around 40 minutes. While that can be a great length for an album, it means you have to make every minute count.
And as I said before- The Camera Eye is a ten minute long epic. That one song alone takes up an entire quarter of the whole album's runtime. So yeah, as I said before, that's why I personally believe TCE makes or breaks Moving Pictures as a whole for listeners.
I purposely waited a day trying to digest your response and frankly it still doesn't make sense to me. It sounds like you're saying that because of TCE, people are throwing the baby out with the bath water. l have never heard of anyone saying that any one song with any artist pans an entire album because of one song. Especially an album as strong as MP. I certainly could be misinterpreting your post and I am pretty sure I am older than you meaning that we have different experiences so maybe people you know feel this way.
As I understand his position (which aligns with my view of the album), you have 4 songs that most people seem to really like (Tom Sawyer, Red Barchetta, YYZ, Limelight) and 2 songs that many don’t care for (Witch Hunt and Vital Signs), and that opinion tends to be split on The Camera Eye. So if you don’t like it, that’s about half the album that you don’t like. If you do, then you like at least 3/4 of the album. It’s just a big chunk of the album is all.
As I understand his position (which aligns with my view of the album), you have 4 songs that most people seem to really like (Tom Sawyer, Red Barchetta, YYZ, Limelight) and 2 songs that many don’t care for (Witch Hunt and Vital Signs), and that opinion tends to be split on The Camera Eye. So if you don’t like it, that’s about half the album that you don’t like. If you do, then you like at least 3/4 of the album. It’s just a big chunk of the album is all.
I love the entire thing.
As I understand his position (which aligns with my view of the album), you have 4 songs that most people seem to really like (Tom Sawyer, Red Barchetta, YYZ, Limelight) and 2 songs that many don’t care for (Witch Hunt and Vital Signs), and that opinion tends to be split on The Camera Eye. So if you don’t like it, that’s about half the album that you don’t like. If you do, then you like at least 3/4 of the album. It’s just a big chunk of the album is all.
Weasel words!
With the exception of one person on these boards (Stadler?), I don't know anyone who doesn't like WH and VS. They just don't like those songs as much as the other songs on MP. However, if you go with the premise that "most" folks like side 1 and don't like WH and VS, then yeah, one's opinion about the album would turn on one's opinion about TCE (half killer/half filler versus 3/4 killer and 1/4 filler, I guess). But I don't think that's a valid premise.I love the entire thing.
Yup. It's just different degrees. While I regard WH and VS as the two "worst" songs on MP, they're still better than pretty much everything most other bands have ever done.
I actually love both Witch Hunt and Vital Signs.
Moving Pictures' side one is generally vastly preferred over the side two by Rush fans. Never understood why.
Moving Pictures' side one is generally vastly preferred over the side two by Rush fans. Never understood why.
Why would you not understand that?
Because I just don't get it. I don't get why are Limelight and Red Barchetta widely considered to be among the best Rush songs.
Moving Pictures' side one is generally vastly preferred over the side two by Rush fans. Never understood why.
Why would you not understand that?
Because I just don't get it. I don't get why are Limelight and Red Barchetta widely considered to be among the best Rush songs.
Moving Pictures' side one is generally vastly preferred over the side two by Rush fans. Never understood why.
I've never seen so much energy spent on a song someone doesn't like on a great album.
I've never seen so much energy spent on a song someone doesn't like on a great album.
Yeah, I'm actually kind of surprised that my personal opinion on The Camera Eye and how it factors into my thoughts on Moving Pictures as a whole album has garnered such a reaction from folks in here! :lol
Moving Pictures' side one is generally vastly preferred over the side two by Rush fans. Never understood why.
Why would you not understand that?
Because I just don't get it. I don't get why are Limelight and Red Barchetta widely considered to be among the best Rush songs.
That's just a failure of imagination, frankly. There's a LOT of music I don't like, and yet I can understand why someone would. I joke a lot about Radiohead and Anthony Keidis, but if I'm being serious and honest, I understand why OK Computer is one of Mike's favorite albums of all time. It just doesn't resonate with ME, and that's fine. There's no judgment there; I don't feel I'm "deficient" or "lesser" because I don't connect with that art. There's plenty I do connect with.
Moving Pictures' side one is generally vastly preferred over the side two by Rush fans. Never understood why.
Why would you not understand that?
Because I just don't get it. I don't get why are Limelight and Red Barchetta widely considered to be among the best Rush songs.
That's just a failure of imagination, frankly. There's a LOT of music I don't like, and yet I can understand why someone would. I joke a lot about Radiohead and Anthony Keidis, but if I'm being serious and honest, I understand why OK Computer is one of Mike's favorite albums of all time. It just doesn't resonate with ME, and that's fine. There's no judgment there; I don't feel I'm "deficient" or "lesser" because I don't connect with that art. There's plenty I do connect with.
I didn't say that I dislike Limelight and RB. I like them, I don't rate them very high as most Rush fans do. IMO they get too much love and praise. I don't find them musically very exciting, interesting, creative and ambitious as some other Rush songs. To me Limelight is just one ordinary radio-friendly straightforward rock song with hard rock riff and tasty guitar solo. It's nowhere near as musically ambitious as something as "By-Tor and the Snow Dog"or "A Farewell to Kings" or "Jacob's Ladder"or "The Necromancer" (those songs get much less recognition and praise).
Wildranger, you ever see the Rick Beato Youtube video on what makes a song for Limelight? Try it. You may be pleasantly surprised.
Wildranger, you ever see the Rick Beato Youtube video on what makes a song for Limelight? Try it. You may be pleasantly surprised.
Rick Beato videos are mostly based on popular and well-known rock stuff. His "top" lists of anything are consisted of generic choices that every casual rock fan knows about. There are no surprises about his lists really. He chose to do an analysis about Limelight, because most casual rock fans know that tune (he didn't choose "Jacob's Ladder" for example).
Also he would talk about Led Zeppelin songs that everyone knows and heard them million times, but he will never talk about some 'underdog' tunes as e.g. "The Rover".
Wildranger, you ever see the Rick Beato Youtube video on what makes a song for Limelight? Try it. You may be pleasantly surprised.
Rick Beato videos are mostly based on popular and well-known rock stuff. His "top" lists of anything are consisted of generic choices that every casual rock fan knows about. There are no surprises about his lists really. He chose to do an analysis about Limelight, because most casual rock fans know that tune (he didn't choose "Jacob's Ladder" for example).
Also he would talk about Led Zeppelin songs that everyone knows and heard them million times, but he will never talk about some 'underdog' tunes as e.g. "The Rover".
Wildranger, you ever see the Rick Beato Youtube video on what makes a song for Limelight? Try it. You may be pleasantly surprised.
Rick Beato videos are mostly based on popular and well-known rock stuff. His "top" lists of anything are consisted of generic choices that every casual rock fan knows about. There are no surprises about his lists really. He chose to do an analysis about Limelight, because most casual rock fans know that tune (he didn't choose "Jacob's Ladder" for example).
Also he would talk about Led Zeppelin songs that everyone knows and heard them million times, but he will never talk about some 'underdog' tunes as e.g. "The Rover".
I do not get your thought process. Of course he's going to pick popular songs to dive through. The casual fan will not want to hear The Rover. It's still interesting to see him delve into explaining the sound, how they got it, be it guitar, amp or effects choice and how it helps elevate the song. If you can't enjoy watching this I question your thought process.
The casual fan will not want to hear The Rover.
The casual fan will not want to hear The Rover.
It's their loss.
The Rover >>>> Immigrant Song (one of the most popular Zep songs)
The casual fan will not want to hear The Rover.
It's their loss.
The Rover >>>> Immigrant Song (one of the most popular Zep songs)
The last time I listened to Moving Pictures, via Time Machine, I was actually taken by side two in particular.
From the get-go its vibe felt, for a lack of a better word, haunted. There's something about the ominous, oppressive quality of The Camera Eye and Witch Hunt. . . .
Back to the Moving Pictures album discussion, The first time I heard the album all the way through was Live on the Time Machine Tour. I had listened to all the songs, but never the album as whole. It has a great flow...The build-ups of The Camera Eye and Witch Hunt, slow the album flow a bit, but it's nice as these songs are not straight up rockers. Vital Signs is a good, uplifting, leave with a good vibe, type of song, and was neat to hear live, and I feel would've worked well as a Set Closer song.
Back to the Moving Pictures album discussion, The first time I heard the album all the way through was Live on the Time Machine Tour. I had listened to all the songs, but never the album as whole. It has a great flow...The build-ups of The Camera Eye and Witch Hunt, slow the album flow a bit, but it's nice as these songs are not straight up rockers. Vital Signs is a good, uplifting, leave with a good vibe, type of song, and was neat to hear live, and I feel would've worked well as a Set Closer song.
Back to the Moving Pictures album discussion, The first time I heard the album all the way through was Live on the Time Machine Tour. I had listened to all the songs, but never the album as whole. It has a great flow...The build-ups of The Camera Eye and Witch Hunt, slow the album flow a bit, but it's nice as these songs are not straight up rockers. Vital Signs is a good, uplifting, leave with a good vibe, type of song, and was neat to hear live, and I feel would've worked well as a Set Closer song.
Side two is not hard rock unlike the side one.
As someone who got into Rush well into the CD-age of music (around 2002/2003), I never listened to them with the idea of album sides in mind, so for me, the back half of Moving Pictures was just the rest of the album, and I never really gave much thought to it otherwise. It was just seven songs on one disc with no delineation to their placement other than the singular running order - none of the Side A vs Side B mindset.
I did know that most of the first few songs got radio airplay, and that the band played them a lot more often, but I figured that was the case for most albums. The singles were always stacked toward the front of the album, it seemed, so of course they got radio play and concert play more often.
Personally speaking, while I don't listen to Rush as much as I used to anymore, I probably pick MP less than any other album to go to when I want to listen to Rush, simply because those songs (all of them) have been overplayed by me, the radio, and the band themselves, over all the years, but that isn't to say they aren't all great, or that whatever my feelings are about them should diminish their greatness, especially for other fans who love the album. It's no wonder that Neil has said if he wished the band had another starting point, he'd have picked Moving Pictures. It's a great balance of prog and pop sensibilities that the band honed and worked toward for over 7 years up to that point.
-Marc.
Back to the Moving Pictures album discussion, The first time I heard the album all the way through was Live on the Time Machine Tour. I had listened to all the songs, but never the album as whole. It has a great flow...The build-ups of The Camera Eye and Witch Hunt, slow the album flow a bit, but it's nice as these songs are not straight up rockers. Vital Signs is a good, uplifting, leave with a good vibe, type of song, and was neat to hear live, and I feel would've worked well as a Set Closer song.
I always have the Time Machine Version of Vital Signs on my Spotify playlist and the cool thing after the song ends, Geddy speaks about it was hard to believe that the Moving Pictures album was 30 years old at the time and that onwards from the old to the new which leads to them playing Caravan next (which wasn't released officially yet from the Clockwork Angels album).
Back to the Moving Pictures album discussion, The first time I heard the album all the way through was Live on the Time Machine Tour. I had listened to all the songs, but never the album as whole. It has a great flow...The build-ups of The Camera Eye and Witch Hunt, slow the album flow a bit, but it's nice as these songs are not straight up rockers. Vital Signs is a good, uplifting, leave with a good vibe, type of song, and was neat to hear live, and I feel would've worked well as a Set Closer song.
Side two is not hard rock unlike the side one.
Unpopular opinion: I don't think the side one of Moving Pictures is that great as nearly everyone claims. These days I tend to think the second side is musically more interesting (esp. The Camera Eye).
Red Barchetta and Limelight struck me as ordinary radio-friendly rock songs. I don't get why these two songs get too much love.
Moving Pictures is a top two Rush record, and only because I feel like a cheater if I put it ahead of Hemispheres. It is frequently the Rush record I grab for a car ride. I love every song on there except for Vital Signs (that's another one of those songs that seemed to fit better on a subsequent album; that belongs on Signals, IMO, both musically and thematically).
I still think Tom Sawyer is a transcendent song, and Red Barchetta and The Camera Eye are not far behind. LOVE that record.
It seems odd to me that any one song should make or break an album and cause listeners to lean one way or the other. But I love TCE anyway. Such an epic!
Normally, I would agree. The issue is that Moving Pictures (much like other classic Rush albums of that era) has a rather "short" runtime, clocking in at around 40 minutes. While that can be a great length for an album, it means you have to make every minute count.
And as I said before- The Camera Eye is a ten minute long epic. That one song alone takes up an entire quarter of the whole album's runtime. So yeah, as I said before, that's why I personally believe TCE makes or breaks Moving Pictures as a whole for listeners.
I purposely waited a day trying to digest your response and frankly it still doesn't make sense to me. It sounds like you're saying that because of TCE, people are throwing the baby out with the bath water. l have never heard of anyone saying that any one song with any artist pans an entire album because of one song. Especially an album as strong as MP. I certainly could be misinterpreting your post and I am pretty sure I am older than you meaning that we have different experiences so maybe people you know feel this way.
As I understand his position (which aligns with my view of the album), you have 4 songs that most people seem to really like (Tom Sawyer, Red Barchetta, YYZ, Limelight) and 2 songs that many don’t care for (Witch Hunt and Vital Signs), and that opinion tends to be split on The Camera Eye. So if you don’t like it, that’s about half the album that you don’t like. If you do, then you like at least 3/4 of the album. It’s just a big chunk of the album is all.
I guess we're going to have to chock it up to different experiences then because when this album came out, every song got airplay (including Witchhunt and Vital Signs) on the radio. Except for TCE and I think that's because of its runtime. Sure, maybe TCE got airplay late evening as a "deep cut" but the other songs were played on a regular rotation so I just don't see where one song causes anyone to ditch an album.
I actually love both Witch Hunt and Vital Signs.
Back to the Moving Pictures album discussion, The first time I heard the album all the way through was Live on the Time Machine Tour. I had listened to all the songs, but never the album as whole. It has a great flow...The build-ups of The Camera Eye and Witch Hunt, slow the album flow a bit, but it's nice as these songs are not straight up rockers. Vital Signs is a good, uplifting, leave with a good vibe, type of song, and was neat to hear live, and I feel would've worked well as a Set Closer song.
I always have the Time Machine Version of Vital Signs on my Spotify playlist and the cool thing after the song ends, Geddy speaks about it was hard to believe that the Moving Pictures album was 30 years old at the time and that onwards from the old to the new which leads to them playing Caravan next (which wasn't released officially yet from the Clockwork Angels album).
I actually love both Witch Hunt and Vital Signs.
So do I.
Two of the best songs on that album. Doesn't get any better than that pair.
I listened to Permanent Waves today for the first time in maybe 30 years.
And as I'm aging, I feel the need, almost on a spiritual level, to go back and dig into the time when it all started for me musically.
My wife and i try to listen to Casey Kasem's American Top 40: The 80's every weekend (both Saturday mornings and Sunday afternoons).
This week was October 22, 1982, and much to my surprise, New World Man showed up at #23. I honestly have yet to hear another Rush tune get included on any of the American Top 40: the 80's shows, but I'm sure there were a few others.
https://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100/1982-10-22
It was and I believe the next week it got to #21. That was the highest charted song for them.
Yep. I don't revisit a huge portion of my collection. Through the years I just kept buying, buying, buying. Now I've stopped for the most part...maybe 10 albums a year. And as I'm aging, I feel the need, almost on a spiritual level, to go back and dig into the time when it all started for me musically. As I do, some strong emotions are rising up. Most of you won't know what I mean until 3/4 of your life has been lived.
It was and I believe the next week it got to #21. That was the highest charted song for them.
I also seem to recall they needed an extra song for Signals and worked it up and recorded it in like a day (I could look all these facts up I suppose).
Yep. I don't revisit a huge portion of my collection. Through the years I just kept buying, buying, buying. Now I've stopped for the most part...maybe 10 albums a year. And as I'm aging, I feel the need, almost on a spiritual level, to go back and dig into the time when it all started for me musically. As I do, some strong emotions are rising up. Most of you won't know what I mean until 3/4 of your life has been lived.
I understand this; there are things I listen to a lot, but there's a lot that I don't, and yet, now, I feel sort of compelled to go back and revisit. I went through a pretty big Billy Joel phase a couple weeks ago (The Stranger was one of my first records ever, and still one of my favorites).
It was and I believe the next week it got to #21. That was the highest charted song for them.
I also seem to recall they needed an extra song for Signals and worked it up and recorded it in like a day (I could look all these facts up I suppose).
The working title was "project 3:57", the exact length of the song they needed to finalize the album.
It was and I believe the next week it got to #21. That was the highest charted song for them.
Always the biggest cult in music. Never in the popular circles but always a big following.
They were never bigger than MP/Signals era. But they became bigger in the media as they got older.
They were never bigger than MP/Signals era. But they became bigger in the media as they got older.
Right. As those kids from that era grew up and became media members. Iron Maiden has basically followed a parallel course.
Who's Colbert?
Who's Colbert?
Who's Colbert?
Who's Colbert?
You out of touch old bastard. :lol
Who's Colbert?
You out of touch old bastard. :lol
:lol
Who's Colbert?
You out of touch old bastard. :lol
:lol
LOLHe's out of lunch?
You also could say Lunch.
Who's Colbert?
Stephen Colbert. One of my favorite Rush full band interviews ever, especially the bit where he asks them if they've ever written a song so long that by the end of it, they were influenced by themselves from the beginning of the song.
Every time I see Colbert on TV he comes across like a douche.
I've never seen his show. Not once. He pops up in commercial breaks and promos, and I'm thinking why would I watch this guy?I never watch him either, but when Rush was on, I made sure to catch the episode, and loved it. Specifically all the funny little ways Jimmy kept on sneaking Rush stuff in to other segments of the show. It was silly and stupid, but I wasn't expecting it to be something serious like Geddy's interview with Dan Rather. I recognized it for what it was, enjoyed it, got some laughs and was proud to see Rush getting some well deserved national media recognition. Doesn't make me a fan of Colbert where I would ever watch his show again (I haven't), but to see the boys on there was good fun, IMO.
Because you can't stay up that late and your Betamax is broken.
I've never seen his show. Not once. He pops up in commercial breaks and promos, and I'm thinking why would I watch this guy?I never watch him either, but when Rush was on, I made sure to catch the episode, and loved it. Specifically all the funny little ways Jimmy kept on sneaking Rush stuff in to other segments of the show. It was silly and stupid, but I wasn't expecting it to be something serious like Geddy's interview with Dan Rather. I recognized it for what it was, enjoyed it, got some laughs and was proud to see Rush getting some well deserved national media recognition. Doesn't make me a fan of Colbert where I would ever watch his show again (I haven't), but to see the boys on there was good fun, IMO.
It was and I believe the next week it got to #21. That was the highest charted song for them.
I also seem to recall they needed an extra song for Signals and worked it up and recorded it in like a day (I could look all these facts up I suppose).
The working title was "project 3:57", the exact length of the song they needed to finalize the album.
Shame they fell short by 15 seconds :lol
Anybody got a few bucks they can loan me?I saw that earlier today. I would love to get my hands on that kit! I don't think my wife would let me spend upwards of $80,000.... :yeahright
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26172/preview_lot/5422694/
Not sure if posted already, but Charlie Brown and friends doing Subdivisions. I know this guy has done others, but this one has been the standout of all I've seen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8kx5ubiSp0
Not sure if posted already, but Charlie Brown and friends doing Subdivisions. I know this guy has done others, but this one has been the standout of all I've seen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8kx5ubiSp0
Not sure if posted already, but Charlie Brown and friends doing Subdivisions. I know this guy has done others, but this one has been the standout of all I've seen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8kx5ubiSp0
Anybody got a few bucks they can loan me?
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26172/preview_lot/5422694/
Anybody got a few bucks they can loan me?
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26172/preview_lot/5422694/
When we were in Chicago to see DT last year our friend took us to meet a guy whose basement is nothing but Rush related memorabilia and one of his pride items was one of Neil's drumkits he used back in the day that was sold as a charity item. It was the full monty, double kick lots of cymbals. I sat behind it and the Neil must of had pretty good strength those pedals were hard to play. I'm sure technology has gotten better. I think he paid 25K for it.
Closer to the Heart is probably a 4 of 5 for me too. Great songwriting, strong hook, crossover appeal. Best song on AFTK IMO.
Closer to the Heart is probably a 4 of 5 for me too. Great songwriting, strong hook, crossover appeal. Best song on AFTK IMO.
I always resented CTTH because it appeared in their live sets so much and was overplayed, but it really is quite a perfect little song and I've grown to like it quite a bit. I can't say that it beats the title track and Xanadu on AFTK, but it's definitely better than a lot of other more popular songs imo
How would you rate a popular song "Closer to the Heart"? Is it average, good or great song to you?
I'd give it 3.5 starts out of 5. It's good, but not great.
Anybody got a few bucks they can loan me?
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26172/preview_lot/5422694/
When we were in Chicago to see DT last year our friend took us to meet a guy whose basement is nothing but Rush related memorabilia and one of his pride items was one of Neil's drumkits he used back in the day that was sold as a charity item. It was the full monty, double kick lots of cymbals. I sat behind it and the Neil must of had pretty good strength those pedals were hard to play. I'm sure technology has gotten better. I think he paid 25K for it.
Closer to the Heart is probably a 4 of 5 for me too. Great songwriting, strong hook, crossover appeal. Best song on AFTK IMO.
I always resented CTTH because it appeared in their live sets so much and was overplayed, but it really is quite a perfect little song and I've grown to like it quite a bit. I can't say that it beats the title track and Xanadu on AFTK, but it's definitely better than a lot of other more popular songs imo
Anybody got a few bucks they can loan me?
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26172/preview_lot/5422694/
When we were in Chicago to see DT last year our friend took us to meet a guy whose basement is nothing but Rush related memorabilia and one of his pride items was one of Neil's drumkits he used back in the day that was sold as a charity item. It was the full monty, double kick lots of cymbals. I sat behind it and the Neil must of had pretty good strength those pedals were hard to play. I'm sure technology has gotten better. I think he paid 25K for it.
I'd love to see that basement with or without that kit.
Closer to the Heart is probably a 4 of 5 for me too. Great songwriting, strong hook, crossover appeal. Best song on AFTK IMO.
Anybody got a few bucks they can loan me?
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26172/preview_lot/5422694/
When we were in Chicago to see DT last year our friend took us to meet a guy whose basement is nothing but Rush related memorabilia and one of his pride items was one of Neil's drumkits he used back in the day that was sold as a charity item. It was the full monty, double kick lots of cymbals. I sat behind it and the Neil must of had pretty good strength those pedals were hard to play. I'm sure technology has gotten better. I think he paid 25K for it.
I'd love to see that basement with or without that kit.
I'll see if I can get a pic or video.
So...I ordered the "lost tour books" collection from the Rush merch site. They're pretty cool. Good quality. A lot of pictures I don't think I've ever seen and some I have seen (oddly, there's a picture from the inside of Caress of Steel prominently featured in the tour book for the first album). They're nicely done, although the $75 price is pretty steep. I also got a really cool Vapor Trails t-shirt.
My brother had a GUP one; it was pretty cool if memory serves.
This reminds me of the show I saw in Reno on the R30 tour. Some guy near me kept going to get a cup of beer every time he finished drinking it. So about halfway through the show I see him coming back trying to juggle 4 beers getting back to his seats. Well he was so hammered that he tripped coming up the steps and beer went everywhere.
For those tours where I didn't buy programs, it was mostly because I didn't want to deal with keeping track of them and keeping them safe from some nearby yahoo's spilled beer.
I now have (in addition to the three mentioned):
A Farewell to Kings (I recall it being a freebie with something I ordered from the Backstage Club back in the 80s)
Moving Pictures (don't remember when or why I got it, but it was after the fact)
Signals (I think this one was free for joining the Backstage Club)
GUP, Power Windows, Presto, Time Machine and R40 (All bought at the concerts)
For those tours where I didn't buy programs, it was mostly because I didn't want to deal with keeping track of them and keeping them safe from some nearby yahoo's spilled beer.
Maybe I'll work on filling out the collection.My brother had a GUP one; it was pretty cool if memory serves.
It's ok. Nothing particularly special. Not even a crossword puzzle like they had in the MP and Signals programs.
I now have (in addition to the three mentioned):
A Farewell to Kings (I recall it being a freebie with something I ordered from the Backstage Club back in the 80s)
Moving Pictures (don't remember when or why I got it, but it was after the fact)
Signals (I think this one was free for joining the Backstage Club)
GUP, Power Windows, Presto, Time Machine and R40 (All bought at the concerts)
For those tours where I didn't buy programs, it was mostly because I didn't want to deal with keeping track of them and keeping them safe from some nearby yahoo's spilled beer.
Maybe I'll work on filling out the collection.My brother had a GUP one; it was pretty cool if memory serves.
It's ok. Nothing particularly special. Not even a crossword puzzle like they had in the MP and Signals programs.
Funny story. I had drunk asshole behind me that spilled his beer on my tourbook. I turned around and told him he ruined my tourbook and he owed me $20.
He told me to fuck off and asked what would I do about it? So I punched him right between the eyes, took his wallet from his pocket while he was seeing stars and threw his wallet back at him.
His friends apologized and took him away. I bought a new tourbook. I expected security to come but they didn't. I still have the beer soak tourbook as well.
Brand new virtual interview with Alex!!Watched that earlier today. I'm not gonna give any spoilers but he had some positive things to say about future plans. Alex is just an all around great guy! :tup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrOdzTH1qWQ
It's about 80 minutes.
Ok. I’ve been a Rush fan for almost 40 years now. How is it I’ve never heard this before? Did you guys know about this?
Attention all planets of the the solar federation! (7 words)
Attention all planets of the the solar federation! (7 words)
Attention all planets of the the solar federation! (7 words)
Total words - 21
We have assumed control! (4 words)
We have assumed control! (4 words)
We have assumed control! (4 words)
Total words - 12
2112
Mind..... blown
Ok. I’ve been a Rush fan for almost 40 years now. How is it I’ve never heard this before? Did you guys know about this?
Attention all planets of the the solar federation! (7 words)
Attention all planets of the the solar federation! (7 words)
Attention all planets of the the solar federation! (7 words)
Total words - 21
We have assumed control! (4 words)
We have assumed control! (4 words)
We have assumed control! (4 words)
Total words - 12
2112
Mind..... blown
Ok. I’ve been a Rush fan for almost 40 years now. How is it I’ve never heard this before? Did you guys know about this?
Attention all planets of the the solar federation! (7 words)
Attention all planets of the the solar federation! (7 words)
Attention all planets of the the solar federation! (7 words)
Total words - 21
We have assumed control! (4 words)
We have assumed control! (4 words)
We have assumed control! (4 words)
Total words - 12
2112
Mind..... blown
Brand new virtual interview with Alex!!Watched that earlier today. I'm not gonna give any spoilers but he had some positive things to say about future plans. Alex is just an all around great guy! :tup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrOdzTH1qWQ
It's about 80 minutes.
Ok. I’ve been a Rush fan for almost 40 years now. How is it I’ve never heard this before? Did you guys know about this?I've been a Rush fan for over 30 years now and I never knew this either, but that is super cool! :metal
Attention all planets of the the solar federation! (7 words)
Attention all planets of the the solar federation! (7 words)
Attention all planets of the the solar federation! (7 words)
Total words - 21
We have assumed control! (4 words)
We have assumed control! (4 words)
We have assumed control! (4 words)
Total words - 12
2112
Mind..... blown
Here's a random question; All The World's A Stage is drawn from three shows at Massey Hall, June 11, 12 and 13, 1976. One of the setlist on setlist.fm has a slightly different order than the album, the other two are identical to the album.
Does anyone know which songs come from which night? Including the two outtakes from the 40th Anniversary version of 2112?
Does anyone know which setlist is right? I'm assuming the one that is not the order of the album, as they likely had to shuffle songs to fit four album sides.
TIA
I wonder what they did with the extra 2 minutes of saved time from omitting The Oracle for all those years. Truly one of the most baffling decisions they ever made
I wonder what they did with the extra 2 minutes of saved time from omitting The Oracle for all those years. Truly one of the most baffling decisions they ever made
90% of Discovery was also cut, so it was more like 4-5 minutes.
I wonder what they did with the extra 2 minutes of saved time from omitting The Oracle for all those years. Truly one of the most baffling decisions they ever made
It seems like that "2112" was moved from fourth place to later in the album to better facilitate the album's vinyl sides.
I wonder what they did with the extra 2 minutes of saved time from omitting The Oracle for all those years. Truly one of the most baffling decisions they ever made
A good guess was that it was too high to sing even with the drop tuning for Geddy every night.
It seems like that "2112" was moved from fourth place to later in the album to better facilitate the album's vinyl sides.
They simply flip-flopped Fly by Night/In the Mood/Something for Nothing with Lakeside Park/2112. Made for almost perfectly spaced album sides.I wonder what they did with the extra 2 minutes of saved time from omitting The Oracle for all those years. Truly one of the most baffling decisions they ever made
A good guess was that it was too high to sing even with the drop tuning for Geddy every night.
Did they use drop tuning on ATWAS/the 2112 tour? Nothing in Oracle is higher than Temples, Presentation or Soliloquy.
I always figured they dropped Discovery and The Oracle because they're the mellower movements. Discovery of course starts with tuning the guitar, which would be hard to translate to live performance, but I always missed The Oracle because it's kinda the whole point of the story, plus musically it includes one of the main themes.
So.... what's the general consensus on the sound of the various CDs and their remasters?
To my knowledge, there are:
- the original releases
- the "Rush Remaster" series
- the Sector Box releases
- the various Deluxe versions (I think that's 2112 and Moving Pictures)
- the 40th Anniversary releases
I don't think I have any CD with all FIVE versions, though I think I have four of 2112 and Moving Pictures, and three of A Farewell To Kings. I'm doing a sort of compare and there's no obvious "winner" to my ears.
I have the 1997 remasters of everything. I have no problem with them. When the Super Deluxe sets started to get released with the Abbey Road remasters I thought they sounded even better. I thought 2112 sounded better and that's when I went to HD Tracks and bought the Abbey Road editions of Rush through Caress. Right now, on my iPod and Plex server, I have the Abbey Road versions for Rush through Permanent and the 1997 remasters for Moving through Hold Your Fire. Everything after that is original expect for Vapor Trails. I have the Andy Van Dette remaster of that which is far superior to the original and was only available on HD Tracks. Seems to be gone now. Glad I have it as I did not like Bottrill's remix version.Tidal has all the Abbey Road versions. They do sound great! Although I thought the originals sounded pretty darn good too.
From what I have read, the Sector ones are the worst.
I'm not sure if this was posted earlier in this thread. I'm also not sure how I missed this back in July, but here is a cover of Anthem with Danny Carey, Les Claypool, Claudio Sanchez, Bill Kelliher, and Steve Brodsky. They ripped this song!Saw it when it first came out, but nice to watch again. Dunno who the guy with the King Diamond face paint is (or Steve Brodsky for that matter), but definitely one of the better covers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fULwDbZ4iSU
So.... what's the general consensus on the sound of the various CDs and their remasters?
To my knowledge, there are:
- the original releases
- the "Rush Remaster" series
- the Sector Box releases
- the various Deluxe versions (I think that's 2112 and Moving Pictures)
- the 40th Anniversary releases
I don't think I have any CD with all FIVE versions, though I think I have four of 2112 and Moving Pictures, and three of A Farewell To Kings. I'm doing a sort of compare and there's no obvious "winner" to my ears.
So.... what's the general consensus on the sound of the various CDs and their remasters?
To my knowledge, there are:
- the original releases
- the "Rush Remaster" series
- the Sector Box releases
- the various Deluxe versions (I think that's 2112 and Moving Pictures)
- the 40th Anniversary releases
I don't think I have any CD with all FIVE versions, though I think I have four of 2112 and Moving Pictures, and three of A Farewell To Kings. I'm doing a sort of compare and there's no obvious "winner" to my ears.
Anything done from the 2015 Abbey Road remasters. Everything was done originally just for vinyl. Of those, 2112, Farewell, Hemispheres and Permanent Waves have seen CD release. I back-filled everything before 2112 with the versions from HD Tracks which are also from the Abbey Road remasters. Although, I now see that HD Tracks made it a lot more difficult to discern between the versions. The old site layout would tell you what was from Abbey Road. Looks like if you find the ones that have a copyright of 2015 on them, that's probably the ones.
These are the best to me. I have also known many others to proclaim that as well. There is no clipping and the dynamic range is excellent. As Steven Wilson would say, you have to crank the volume on these because they breathe.
I have the 1997 remasters of everything. I have no problem with them. When the Super Deluxe sets started to get released with the Abbey Road remasters I thought they sounded even better. I thought 2112 sounded better and that's when I went to HD Tracks and bought the Abbey Road editions of Rush through Caress. Right now, on my iPod and Plex server, I have the Abbey Road versions for Rush through Permanent and the 1997 remasters for Moving through Hold Your Fire. Everything after that is original expect for Vapor Trails. I have the Andy Van Dette remaster of that which is far superior to the original and was only available on HD Tracks. Seems to be gone now. Glad I have it as I did not like Bottrill's remix version.
From what I have read, the Sector ones are the worst.
I have the 1997 remasters of everything. I have no problem with them. When the Super Deluxe sets started to get released with the Abbey Road remasters I thought they sounded even better. I thought 2112 sounded better and that's when I went to HD Tracks and bought the Abbey Road editions of Rush through Caress. Right now, on my iPod and Plex server, I have the Abbey Road versions for Rush through Permanent and the 1997 remasters for Moving through Hold Your Fire. Everything after that is original expect for Vapor Trails. I have the Andy Van Dette remaster of that which is far superior to the original and was only available on HD Tracks. Seems to be gone now. Glad I have it as I did not like Bottrill's remix version.
From what I have read, the Sector ones are the worst.
The problem with the '97s for me is that there's not enough low end and the high end overwhelms everything beginning with Permanent Waves and gets progressively worse until A Show of Hands. Rush through Hemispheres is not optimal either but at least tolerable. The Sectors have a low end clarity that isn't on anything else except for the audiophile releases. But the 2015's would be my go to in most cases so far.
The self titled original Mercury release is a festering pile of dog snot. :tdwn
Some idiot tried to fade out the tape hiss at the end of what you’re doing, and his fade back in comes in late.
When the remaster came out and they had fixed it, I celebrated by chucking the old one away.
There is a line on the Signals gold disc that was missing. I think it was on The Weapon. It's been a while since I listened to it.
There is a line on the Signals gold disc that was missing. I think it was on The Weapon. It's been a while since I listened to it.
That's not actually what it was. For whatever reason, that line was not sung during the original sessions and was added at a later stage, which is why it wasn't on the master tapes that MFSL was given.There is a line on the Signals gold disc that was missing. I think it was on The Weapon. It's been a while since I listened to it.I read somewhere that there was a bit of confusion after that release. MFSL were handed the tapes and did the transfer. No one even thought to check. No one had any idea that apparently something had been added AFTER the fact.
Not sure that mystery was ever solved.
If you are a fellow Rush hound, you may want to go ahead and pick up Mercury's remaster, as there is a lyric 'missing' in the bridge after the second chorus in "The Weapon." (Then) Mobile Fidelity engineer Krieg Wunderlich and (then) director of product development Joe Bermudez explained in response to a letter I sent about this issue that Ged singing "And the things that he fears/Are a weapon to be held against him..." in the bridge was not on the original multitrack master, but rather was added to the 2-track mixdown tape in post production. Ergo, since MoFi is all about the original master, that lyric does not appear on the Signals Ultradisc.
So I'm watching "Exit...Stage Left", the video. it's always a treat to see the guys play, but what was it with bands in the early 80's, and the "arty" concert films? In look, in feel, in format, this is like watching Genesis' Three Sides Live.
So I'm watching "Exit...Stage Left", the video. it's always a treat to see the guys play, but what was it with bands in the early 80's, and the "arty" concert films? In look, in feel, in format, this is like watching Genesis' Three Sides Live.
So I'm watching "Exit...Stage Left", the video. it's always a treat to see the guys play, but what was it with bands in the early 80's, and the "arty" concert films? In look, in feel, in format, this is like watching Genesis' Three Sides Live.
I don't know, but that was such a hard video for me to find. I remember looking and looking and finally finding a place that didn't have it in stock but would order it for me. I had to put down a deposit, and it finally arrived about a month later. I can't tell you how many Saturday nights my best friend and I spent drinking beer and watching that tape (along with several others). At one point, the little "door" on the VHS tape broke, and my VCR at the time wouldn't play it. I had to get a blank tape, open it up and remove the tape, and then transfer the tape of ESL into the other housing. It was like I was doing a heart transplant. I kept that videotape until Replay x3 was released in the mid-2000s. I still have the Through the Camera Eye and Chronicles VHS tapes (the former has never been re-released on a digital format (but was released on laserdisc in addition to VHS), and I also have the latter on DVD).
So I'm watching "Exit...Stage Left", the video. it's always a treat to see the guys play, but what was it with bands in the early 80's, and the "arty" concert films? In look, in feel, in format, this is like watching Genesis' Three Sides Live.
I've never seen Exit...Stage left but it is arty in the way Metropolis live from NYC is arty? :lol
I will say this, though: I wasn't kidding. It's always a treat to watch them play. The live versions of Xanadu and Red Barchetta from that tape are ESSENTIAL viewing. It's stunning to me how three guys make that much "noise". I didn't see that tour, but I wish I did.
https://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/threads/are-these-good-mfsls.101296/
That is incredible! Thanks for posting that link, they were all on fire. :omg: :metal :metalSo I'm watching "Exit...Stage Left", the video. it's always a treat to see the guys play, but what was it with bands in the early 80's, and the "arty" concert films? In look, in feel, in format, this is like watching Genesis' Three Sides Live.
I've never seen Exit...Stage left but it is arty in the way Metropolis live from NYC is arty? :lol
I'm gonna say no. It's a similar distinction as between, say, a soap opera (LSFNY) and an Episode of CSI (ESL). The sorts of "arty" effects that were used in LSFNY (2000) didn't exist when ESL was produced (1981/82). Also, one of the biggest complaints about the ESL video is the lighting. There are several very dark shots. IMO, however, that makes for a more natural feel.I will say this, though: I wasn't kidding. It's always a treat to watch them play. The live versions of Xanadu and Red Barchetta from that tape are ESSENTIAL viewing. It's stunning to me how three guys make that much "noise". I didn't see that tour, but I wish I did.
You and me both! One of my favorite shots ever is when you see Alex seemlessly switch between the 6 and 12-string necks in the middle of Xanadu (just past the 7:30 mark here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuHS-gjMiVw ).
So I'm watching "Exit...Stage Left", the video. it's always a treat to see the guys play, but what was it with bands in the early 80's, and the "arty" concert films? In look, in feel, in format, this is like watching Genesis' Three Sides Live.
I don't know, but that was such a hard video for me to find. I remember looking and looking and finally finding a place that didn't have it in stock but would order it for me. I had to put down a deposit, and it finally arrived about a month later. I can't tell you how many Saturday nights my best friend and I spent drinking beer and watching that tape (along with several others). At one point, the little "door" on the VHS tape broke, and my VCR at the time wouldn't play it. I had to get a blank tape, open it up and remove the tape, and then transfer the tape of ESL into the other housing. It was like I was doing a heart transplant. I kept that videotape until Replay x3 was released in the mid-2000s. I still have the Through the Camera Eye and Chronicles VHS tapes (the former has never been re-released on a digital format (but was released on laserdisc in addition to VHS), and I also have the latter on DVD).
So I'm watching "Exit...Stage Left", the video. it's always a treat to see the guys play, but what was it with bands in the early 80's, and the "arty" concert films? In look, in feel, in format, this is like watching Genesis' Three Sides Live.
So I'm watching "Exit...Stage Left", the video. it's always a treat to see the guys play, but what was it with bands in the early 80's, and the "arty" concert films? In look, in feel, in format, this is like watching Genesis' Three Sides Live.
I don't know, but that was such a hard video for me to find. I remember looking and looking and finally finding a place that didn't have it in stock but would order it for me. I had to put down a deposit, and it finally arrived about a month later. I can't tell you how many Saturday nights my best friend and I spent drinking beer and watching that tape (along with several others). At one point, the little "door" on the VHS tape broke, and my VCR at the time wouldn't play it. I had to get a blank tape, open it up and remove the tape, and then transfer the tape of ESL into the other housing. It was like I was doing a heart transplant. I kept that videotape until Replay x3 was released in the mid-2000s. I still have the Through the Camera Eye and Chronicles VHS tapes (the former has never been re-released on a digital format (but was released on laserdisc in addition to VHS), and I also have the latter on DVD).
Still have those VHS and Laser Discs ( and DVD. Missing Exit... on laser disc) There are still a few studio videos that never made it to DVD (Most of Through The Camera Eye has been released on various other DVDs.)
That is incredible! Thanks for posting that link, they were all on fire. :omg: :metal :metalSo I'm watching "Exit...Stage Left", the video. it's always a treat to see the guys play, but what was it with bands in the early 80's, and the "arty" concert films? In look, in feel, in format, this is like watching Genesis' Three Sides Live.
I've never seen Exit...Stage left but it is arty in the way Metropolis live from NYC is arty? :lol
I'm gonna say no. It's a similar distinction as between, say, a soap opera (LSFNY) and an Episode of CSI (ESL). The sorts of "arty" effects that were used in LSFNY (2000) didn't exist when ESL was produced (1981/82). Also, one of the biggest complaints about the ESL video is the lighting. There are several very dark shots. IMO, however, that makes for a more natural feel.I will say this, though: I wasn't kidding. It's always a treat to watch them play. The live versions of Xanadu and Red Barchetta from that tape are ESSENTIAL viewing. It's stunning to me how three guys make that much "noise". I didn't see that tour, but I wish I did.
You and me both! One of my favorite shots ever is when you see Alex seemlessly switch between the 6 and 12-string necks in the middle of Xanadu (just past the 7:30 mark here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuHS-gjMiVw ).
So I'm watching "Exit...Stage Left", the video. it's always a treat to see the guys play, but what was it with bands in the early 80's, and the "arty" concert films? In look, in feel, in format, this is like watching Genesis' Three Sides Live.
I don't know, but that was such a hard video for me to find. I remember looking and looking and finally finding a place that didn't have it in stock but would order it for me. I had to put down a deposit, and it finally arrived about a month later. I can't tell you how many Saturday nights my best friend and I spent drinking beer and watching that tape (along with several others). At one point, the little "door" on the VHS tape broke, and my VCR at the time wouldn't play it. I had to get a blank tape, open it up and remove the tape, and then transfer the tape of ESL into the other housing. It was like I was doing a heart transplant. I kept that videotape until Replay x3 was released in the mid-2000s. I still have the Through the Camera Eye and Chronicles VHS tapes (the former has never been re-released on a digital format (but was released on laserdisc in addition to VHS), and I also have the latter on DVD).
Still have those VHS and Laser Discs ( and DVD. Missing Exit... on laser disc) There are still a few studio videos that never made it to DVD (Most of Through The Camera Eye has been released on various other DVDs.)
Simply as a matter of saving space, I got rid of the ESL, GUP and ASOH VHS tapes once Replay x3 was released, since everything on the DVDs is the same as what was on the VHS. I have a couple dozen music VHS tapes that I haven't watched in forever. Maybe I'll start throwing them in here and there.
So I'm watching "Exit...Stage Left", the video. it's always a treat to see the guys play, but what was it with bands in the early 80's, and the "arty" concert films? In look, in feel, in format, this is like watching Genesis' Three Sides Live.
I don't know, but that was such a hard video for me to find. I remember looking and looking and finally finding a place that didn't have it in stock but would order it for me. I had to put down a deposit, and it finally arrived about a month later. I can't tell you how many Saturday nights my best friend and I spent drinking beer and watching that tape (along with several others). At one point, the little "door" on the VHS tape broke, and my VCR at the time wouldn't play it. I had to get a blank tape, open it up and remove the tape, and then transfer the tape of ESL into the other housing. It was like I was doing a heart transplant. I kept that videotape until Replay x3 was released in the mid-2000s. I still have the Through the Camera Eye and Chronicles VHS tapes (the former has never been re-released on a digital format (but was released on laserdisc in addition to VHS), and I also have the latter on DVD).
Still have those VHS and Laser Discs ( and DVD. Missing Exit... on laser disc) There are still a few studio videos that never made it to DVD (Most of Through The Camera Eye has been released on various other DVDs.)
Simply as a matter of saving space, I got rid of the ESL, GUP and ASOH VHS tapes once Replay x3 was released, since everything on the DVDs is the same as what was on the VHS. I have a couple dozen music VHS tapes that I haven't watched in forever. Maybe I'll start throwing them in here and there.
I think Lock and Key and Prime Mover are missing from the ASOH DVD, no?
The DVD version of A Show of Hands contains the full program of the VHS version; "Lock and Key" appeared on the laserdisc version after "Force Ten" on A Show of Hands, but does not appear on the DVD or VHS.
So..... some of you know my blatant, core-level dislike of Grace Under Pressure. I was doing a compare of the original release and the Sector release this evening and cranking it out and... dare I say... it's starting to grow on me. Still a little shrill, and that drum fill on Red Sector A is still by far the worst in the catalogue by a long shot, but some of those tunes are really starting to sink in. Red Sector A is excellent, as is The Body Electric.
So..... some of you know my blatant, core-level dislike of Grace Under Pressure. I was doing a compare of the original release and the Sector release this evening and cranking it out and... dare I say... it's starting to grow on me. Still a little shrill, and that drum fill on Red Sector A is still by far the worst in the catalogue by a long shot, but some of those tunes are really starting to sink in. Red Sector A is excellent, as is The Body Electric.
Only 5 good songs? What are the other 2 bad songs?????So..... some of you know my blatant, core-level dislike of Grace Under Pressure. I was doing a compare of the original release and the Sector release this evening and cranking it out and... dare I say... it's starting to grow on me. Still a little shrill, and that drum fill on Red Sector A is still by far the worst in the catalogue by a long shot, but some of those tunes are really starting to sink in. Red Sector A is excellent, as is The Body Electric.
NO, The Body Electric still sucks, but that's a pretty good album overall. It's more of an EP, so there is serious suckage on it, but there's 5 really good songs anyway.
Kid Gloves and Red Lenses. Everything else is excellent.OK, I'll give you Red Lenses, but Kid Gloves is awesome! :dunno:
So..... some of you know my blatant, core-level dislike of Grace Under Pressure. I was doing a compare of the original release and the Sector release this evening and cranking it out and... dare I say... it's starting to grow on me. Still a little shrill, and that drum fill on Red Sector A is still by far the worst in the catalogue by a long shot, but some of those tunes are really starting to sink in. Red Sector A is excellent, as is The Body Electric.
Never got the hate for Red Lenses. The breakdown part of that song SLAYS!! :metal :metal :metalI love the song, but I can kind of understand why it's a bit polarizing for Rush fans.
How about some love for Between the Wheels!! :metal
How about some love for Between the Wheels!! :metal
Just a quick comment, I love Kid Gloves and THAT amazing solo (the sickiest Alex's solo in their entire discography IMO).
Grace is an amazing album, my fave from the keyboard era. It has a strangeness really unique in Rush's discography.
And, although the massive presence of the keyboards, it still sounds very organic, like the trio is playing all the instruments live. I really like PoW and HYF, but they sound too much over-produced, with a lot of programming on them and with some keyboard tones that I don't like, a bit annoying, in fact.
Just a quick comment, I love Kid Gloves and THAT amazing solo (the sickiest Alex's solo in their entire discography IMO).
Grace is an amazing album, my fave from the keyboard era. It has a strangeness really unique in Rush's discography.
And, although the massive presence of the keyboards, it still sounds very organic, like the trio is playing all the instruments live. I really like PoW and HYF, but they sound too much over-produced, with a lot of programming on them and with some keyboard tones that I don't like, a bit annoying, in fact.
I wonder if Grace Under Pressure didn’t sound as good on record, because I always thought it had a raw power to it (based on the remaster CD version), but it often gets slagged as thin and punchless. It’s definitely punk-ish in the way the sound is stripped back, and it’s a departure from earlier records for sure. It does have a sort of coldness to it that seems to capture the subject matter well. Neil always thought it was a record for the times (when it was released), and I think retroactively it feels that way even if it wasn’t received that way.
I was doing a compare of the original release and the Sector release this evening and cranking it out and... dare I say... it's starting to grow on me. Still a little shrill, and that drum fill on Red Sector A is still by far the worst in the catalogue by a long shot, but some of those tunes are really starting to sink in. Red Sector A is excellent, as is The Body Electric.
Can I brag that I saw the GUP tour? :metal
So..... some of you know my blatant, core-level dislike of Grace Under Pressure. I was doing a compare of the original release and the Sector release this evening and cranking it out and... dare I say... it's starting to grow on me. Still a little shrill, and that drum fill on Red Sector A is still by far the worst in the catalogue by a long shot, but some of those tunes are really starting to sink in. Red Sector A is excellent, as is The Body Electric.
NO, The Body Electric still sucks, but that's a pretty good album overall. It's more of an EP, so there is serious suckage on it, but there's 5 really good songs anyway.
I was doing a compare of the original release and the Sector release this evening and cranking it out and... dare I say... it's starting to grow on me. Still a little shrill, and that drum fill on Red Sector A is still by far the worst in the catalogue by a long shot, but some of those tunes are really starting to sink in. Red Sector A is excellent, as is The Body Electric.
Maybe it's just that it's not 9am yet, but what do the bolded mean?
Can I brag that I saw the GUP tour? :metal
It was my third concert ever. Unfortunately, it was at an outdoor venue (the old Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre in SoCal), we had seats on the grass in the back, and it took most of the opening song (The Spirit of Radio) for the sound guy to get things right. When the song started, we could barely hear the guitar over the crowd noise.
So..... some of you know my blatant, core-level dislike of Grace Under Pressure. I was doing a compare of the original release and the Sector release this evening and cranking it out and... dare I say... it's starting to grow on me. Still a little shrill, and that drum fill on Red Sector A is still by far the worst in the catalogue by a long shot, but some of those tunes are really starting to sink in. Red Sector A is excellent, as is The Body Electric.
NO, The Body Electric still sucks, but that's a pretty good album overall. It's more of an EP, so there is serious suckage on it, but there's 5 really good songs anyway.
My issues with GUP are many, but I've recently landed on the conclusion that it could have been a MUCH better album with better instrumentation and production. Red Sector A was, at the time, the wimpiest song in the band's catalog (save for Rivendell), but the 21st Century live versions are almost complete 180s. The Body Electric almost as bad (and worse in some ways), but when you hear it done with ballsier guitar, chunky bass and all acoustic drums, it's pretty good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVDDub4UtPU . For my money, the worst thing Rush ever did was when Geddy played the Steinberger and Wall basses.
Other than when I intentionally listen to the entire album, the only songs I will ever go to are The Enemy Within, Between the Wheels and Kid Gloves. Distant Early Warning is ok. Afterimage is a yawner. Red Lenses is just...I don't know...at this point, that song is a caricature.
Just a quick comment, I love Kid Gloves and THAT amazing solo (the sickiest Alex's solo in their entire discography IMO).
Just a quick comment, I love Kid Gloves and THAT amazing solo (the sickiest Alex's solo in their entire discography IMO).
Definitely one of Alex's top solos for sure. As is the solo in Between the Wheels. Still nothing tops the solo in La Villa for me..
I actually like the tone of the album, the colors of the album art perfectly describe it. The tone choices for the instruments give it an icy, snowy, feel to the album.
I’d like to show some random love and appreciation for Digital Man. Such an underrated song and definitely my favorite from Signals ❤️🤘
I’d like to show some random love and appreciation for Digital Man. Such an underrated song and definitely my favorite from Signals ❤️🤘
I’d like to show some random love and appreciation for Digital Man. Such an underrated song and definitely my favorite from Signals ❤️🤘
I’d like to show some random love and appreciation for Digital Man. Such an underrated song and definitely my favorite from Signals ❤️🤘
Love that song. Would be at or near the top of my list of favorite Geddy bass lines.
I’d like to show some random love and appreciation for Digital Man. Such an underrated song and definitely my favorite from Signals ❤️🤘
So is side two!I’d like to show some random love and appreciation for Digital Man. Such an underrated song and definitely my favorite from Signals ❤️🤘Probably took me 20 years, but I LOVE that song. The whole first side is awesome (yes, even Chemistry)!
I’d like to show some random love and appreciation for Digital Man. Such an underrated song and definitely my favorite from Signals ❤️🤘
LOVE Digital Man. One of my favorite tunes from my favorite Rush album. It seems that Terry Brown was not a fan of this song and this was a point of disagreement with the band. Always wondered if this was one of the reasons (among others) that Signals would be the last record that Terry would produce for Rush?
So is side two!I’d like to show some random love and appreciation for Digital Man. Such an underrated song and definitely my favorite from Signals ❤️🤘Probably took me 20 years, but I LOVE that song. The whole first side is awesome (yes, even Chemistry)!
Anyone know the exact sources (date and location) for the bonus tracks on the R30 DVD, specifically:
- "Circumstances" (I have one source that puts this at the Hammersmith Odeon in 1979)
- "La Villa Strangiato" (I have one source that puts this at the Hammersmith Odeon in 1979)
- "A Farewell to Kings" - (I have a couple sources that put this at Seneca College Theatre in 1977)
- "Xanadu" - (I have a couple sources that put this at Seneca College Theatre in 1977)
Also, what do we know about the "Church Sessions" (the two videos with the church background)?
Thanks in advance!
Guess we'll have to disagree on that - I love The Weapon and NWMis a great little catchy song.You had to go there.... Losing It and Countdown are fantastic, and New World Man is ok. The Weapon.... not on the same level as side 2 of PoW or almost all of HYF, but it's not all that good.So is side two!I’d like to show some random love and appreciation for Digital Man. Such an underrated song and definitely my favorite from Signals ❤️🤘Probably took me 20 years, but I LOVE that song. The whole first side is awesome (yes, even Chemistry)!
I just saw or read an interview I think Geddy did talking about those - wish I could remember where. Anyway, IIRC, I think it was at a venue that they were playing at - either a high school or university. Backstage there was this castle set up and I believe they got permission to shoot videos there and more or less make it look like it was their own set.Also, what do we know about the "Church Sessions" (the two videos with the church background)?As for the "church session" videos, I'm not sure that there's anything more to it than that they got permission to set up in a church and shoot some videos.
Thanks in advance!
The Weapon was my favorite song from Signals for a pretty long time. I now slightly prefer Subdivisions, but it's still a 1a and 1b situation.
I would say New World Man and Countdown are definitely the weakest links of that album, but I still like both.
The Weapon is pretty easily my least favorite song on Signals and the only one I might skip. It’s not bad, but I don’t care for the lyric or the sort of monotone vocal melody.
To me Chemistry is easily the worst song.
To me Chemistry is easily the worst song.
The vocal melodies definitely feel a bit awkward at times, but that song is so strong musically than I can forgive the rest. The intro and outro are both so damn good. I always say that that one could have been a killer instrumental had they gone that route with it.
The Weapon is pretty easily my least favorite song on Signals and the only one I might skip. It’s not bad, but I don’t care for the lyric or the sort of monotone vocal melody.
Don’t like the lyrics? That just blows my mind.
I quote those all the time.
“Like a steely blade in a sunken sheath
We don’t see what they’re made of
They shout about love
But when push comes to shove
They live for things they’re afraid love.”
That’s NP gold right there.
The Weapon is pretty easily my least favorite song on Signals and the only one I might skip. It’s not bad, but I don’t care for the lyric or the sort of monotone vocal melody.
Don’t like the lyrics? That just blows my mind.
I quote those all the time.
“Like a steely blade in a sunken sheath
We don’t see what they’re made of
They shout about love
But when push comes to shove
They live for things they’re afraid love.”
That’s NP gold right there.
Part of it is I used to think he was saying “he’s a lot more afraid of your lion” which just sounds silly. I will say the instrumental section is really cool.
Wouldn't you be afraid if he had a lion? :biggrin:The Weapon is pretty easily my least favorite song on Signals and the only one I might skip. It’s not bad, but I don’t care for the lyric or the sort of monotone vocal melody.
Don’t like the lyrics? That just blows my mind.
I quote those all the time.
“Like a steely blade in a sunken sheath
We don’t see what they’re made of
They shout about love
But when push comes to shove
They live for things they’re afraid love.”
That’s NP gold right there.
Part of it is I used to think he was saying “he’s a lot more afraid of your lion” which just sounds silly. I will say the instrumental section is really cool.
Well I listened to Signals twice last night and today, so naturally I’m on to Grace Under Pressure. Will never not get sucked in by the intro to Distant Early Warning.
Well I listened to Signals twice last night and today, so naturally I’m on to Grace Under Pressure. Will never not get sucked in by the intro to Distant Early Warning.
After the cold, raw angst of Grace Under Pressure, now onto the bright, exuberant Power Windows, which bursts through your speakers like the pilot of Ebola Gay flying out of the shockwave on that August day!
Well I listened to Signals twice last night and today, so naturally I’m on to Grace Under Pressure. Will never not get sucked in by the intro to Distant Early Warning.
After the cold, raw angst of Grace Under Pressure, now onto the bright, exuberant Power Windows, which bursts through your speakers like the pilot of Ebola Gay flying out of the shockwave on that August day!
I think Ebola Gay is when RuPaul caught the ebola virus. On the Rush lyrics it's ENOLA Gay.
Signals is fantastic. I think the reason it ranks up very high on my list is because I love the obscure tracks as much as the hits. Countdown and Chemistry are among my very favorites on it.
Signals has two of my favorite Rush songs: Subdivisions and losing it
The Weapon is pretty easily my least favorite song on Signals and the only one I might skip. It’s not bad, but I don’t care for the lyric or the sort of monotone vocal melody.
Don’t like the lyrics? That just blows my mind.
I quote those all the time.
“Like a steely blade in a sunken sheath
We don’t see what they’re made of
They shout about love
But when push comes to shove
They live for things they’re afraid love.”
That’s NP gold right there.
Part of it is I used to think he was saying “he’s a lot more afraid of your lion” which just sounds silly. I will say the instrumental section is really cool.
The Weapon is pretty easily my least favorite song on Signals and the only one I might skip. It’s not bad, but I don’t care for the lyric or the sort of monotone vocal melody.
Don’t like the lyrics? That just blows my mind.
I quote those all the time.
“Like a steely blade in a sunken sheath
We don’t see what they’re made of
They shout about love
But when push comes to shove
They live for things they’re afraid love.”
That’s NP gold right there.
*things they're afraid of.
Anyone know the exact sources (date and location) for the bonus tracks on the R30 DVD, specifically:
- "Circumstances" (I have one source that puts this at the Hammersmith Odeon in 1979)
- "La Villa Strangiato" (I have one source that puts this at the Hammersmith Odeon in 1979)
- "A Farewell to Kings" - (I have a couple sources that put this at Seneca College Theatre in 1977)
- "Xanadu" - (I have a couple sources that put this at Seneca College Theatre in 1977)
Also, what do we know about the "Church Sessions" (the two videos with the church background)?
Thanks in advance!
I believe, from my own subjective A/B-ing of the songs, that "A Farewell to Kings" and "Xanadu" (that some have put at Seneca College Theatre in 1977), as well as at least "Fly By Night" from the Church Sessions are just the studio track over video footage.
So...I'm watching the second disco of the R30 video, and there's an interview of Geddy, Alex & Neil from some sort of "artist of the decade" thing from 1990. You don't hear any of the questions asked -- just the band members responding -- and at one point Alex says the following:
"There are bands -- a few bands -- Dream Theater is an example of a fairly young band that's writing in a style that pushes their musical abilities to the furthest point and they...there are a number of bands like that are like that that have said that we've influenced them that way, and that's certainly satisfying to know that there are still a lot of young musicians that really want to go out there and just be great musicians."
I'm not sure if I watched this when I first got these DVDs, but I certainly don't remember that content. Kinda wild that, in 1990, with only WDADU having been released, Alex knew about DT!
I’d like to show some random love and appreciation for Digital Man. Such an underrated song and definitely my favorite from Signals ❤️🤘
Love that song. Would be at or near the top of my list of favorite Geddy bass lines.
It’s been stuck in my head for days. I regret missing the Snakes & Arrows tour cuz of that song. That tour had such a great setlist
Anyone know the exact sources (date and location) for the bonus tracks on the R30 DVD, specifically:
- "Circumstances" (I have one source that puts this at the Hammersmith Odeon in 1979)
- "La Villa Strangiato" (I have one source that puts this at the Hammersmith Odeon in 1979)
- "A Farewell to Kings" - (I have a couple sources that put this at Seneca College Theatre in 1977)
- "Xanadu" - (I have a couple sources that put this at Seneca College Theatre in 1977)
Also, what do we know about the "Church Sessions" (the two videos with the church background)?
Thanks in advance!
So...I'm watching the second disco of the R30 video, and there's an interview of Geddy, Alex & Neil from some sort of "artist of the decade" thing from 1990. You don't hear any of the questions asked -- just the band members responding -- and at one point Alex says the following:
"There are bands -- a few bands -- Dream Theater is an example of a fairly young band that's writing in a style that pushes their musical abilities to the furthest point and they...there are a number of bands like that are like that that have said that we've influenced them that way, and that's certainly satisfying to know that there are still a lot of young musicians that really want to go out there and just be great musicians."
I'm not sure if I watched this when I first got these DVDs, but I certainly don't remember that content. Kinda wild that, in 1990, with only WDADU having been released, Alex knew about DT!
It kinda makes sense that Alex would have heard of them. Geddy and Neil maybe not, for different reasons, but Alex kept changing his style and adapting over the years, so to me that indicates keeping track of current music a little more closely. Note that I don't say "popular music" because it's not like Dream Theater were anywhere near mainstream, but R30 was from 2005. A lot of people had heard of them by then. I remember when that quote was pointed out. MP was over the moon, of course. One of his favorite bands mentioning DT. I remember thinking it was cool how they'd recognized each other. The older generation recognizing the next generation.
Portnoy wrote to The Spirit Of Rush fanzine in 1989 which also reviewed the album. That may be how Alex found out about Dream Theater. That's how I found out about Dream Theater.
So...I'm watching the second disco of the R30 video, and there's an interview of Geddy, Alex & Neil from some sort of "artist of the decade" thing from 1990. You don't hear any of the questions asked -- just the band members responding -- and at one point Alex says the following:
"There are bands -- a few bands -- Dream Theater is an example of a fairly young band that's writing in a style that pushes their musical abilities to the furthest point and they...there are a number of bands like that are like that that have said that we've influenced them that way, and that's certainly satisfying to know that there are still a lot of young musicians that really want to go out there and just be great musicians."
I'm not sure if I watched this when I first got these DVDs, but I certainly don't remember that content. Kinda wild that, in 1990, with only WDADU having been released, Alex knew about DT!
That was my thought as well. The Spirit of Rush fanzine was really behind DT from day one, for a long time being the only other band featured to any degree in the fanzine besides Rush. I would imagine that the guys in Rush probably got copies of each issue and were at least mildly curious to see who this Dream Theater band was, and so checked them out.So...I'm watching the second disco of the R30 video, and there's an interview of Geddy, Alex & Neil from some sort of "artist of the decade" thing from 1990. You don't hear any of the questions asked -- just the band members responding -- and at one point Alex says the following:Portnoy wrote to The Spirit Of Rush fanzine in 1989 which also reviewed the album. That may be how Alex found out about Dream Theater. That's how I found out about Dream Theater.
"There are bands -- a few bands -- Dream Theater is an example of a fairly young band that's writing in a style that pushes their musical abilities to the furthest point and they...there are a number of bands like that are like that that have said that we've influenced them that way, and that's certainly satisfying to know that there are still a lot of young musicians that really want to go out there and just be great musicians."
I'm not sure if I watched this when I first got these DVDs, but I certainly don't remember that content. Kinda wild that, in 1990, with only WDADU having been released, Alex knew about DT!
Had the week off work. Got caught up on things I’m way behind on. FINALLY! And yes...the next entry in the AC/DC listening party is next.
But I decided to relax after breakfast and watch a live Rush video. I settled on Snakes and Arrows Live. I’m only on song two, but it’s given me a whole new appreciation for Digital Man. They are having so much fun here! And the jamming on the end is exhilarating! The studio version is my least favorite from Signals, and never struck me as being all that interesting. But this live version is so good.
I know I've gotten a few laughs here but snakes and arrows really is my favorite album. It's the first one that I listened to and the one I go back to the most. I've never seen snakes and arrows love, I should give that a look.
I know I've gotten a few laughs here but snakes and arrows really is my favorite album. It's the first one that I listened to and the one I go back to the most. I've never seen snakes and arrows love, I should give that a look.
I know I've gotten a few laughs here but snakes and arrows really is my favorite album. It's the first one that I listened to and the one I go back to the most. I've never seen snakes and arrows love, I should give that a look.
I know I've gotten a few laughs here but snakes and arrows really is my favorite album. It's the first one that I listened to and the one I go back to the most. I've never seen snakes and arrows love, I should give that a look.
S&A starts off very strong. Unfortunately, it's a bit too long. The last third of it is incredibly forgettable.
It ends up somewhere in the top part of the bottom half of my rankings.
The only thing S&A has going for it is its sound.
I like Far Cry and the beginning to The Way The Wind Blows, but I actually think the album blows. It feels like they tried to cram music around the lyrics.
I like Far Cry and the beginning to The Way The Wind Blows, but I actually think the album blows. It feels like they tried to cram music around the lyrics.
Far Cry I like well enough. Armor and Sword is pretty good. The Way The Wind Blows and Faithless are ok. But nothing on it really grabs me and I almost never listen to it.
I don't think the best production in the world could dress up those ugly vocal melodies in One Little Victory, and some of the other songs have some clunky melodies, but there are some gems there amongst all the noise. Ceiling Unlimited, Ghost Rider, Vapor Trail, Earthshine, Nocturne and Freeze are all keepers, if you ask me.
I don't think the best production in the world could dress up those ugly vocal melodies in One Little Victory, and some of the other songs have some clunky melodies, but there are some gems there amongst all the noise. Ceiling Unlimited, Ghost Rider, Vapor Trail, Earthshine, Nocturne and Freeze are all keepers, if you ask me.
I know I've gotten a few laughs here but snakes and arrows really is my favorite album. It's the first one that I listened to and the one I go back to the most. I've never seen snakes and arrows love, I should give that a look.
As I always do, like broken record: If you like Snakes and Arrows, and you haven't already, find the documentary that was made about the recording of that album. It was released on a S&A deluxe set (with the 5.1 mix). Great to watch, and a really moving scene involving Neil and the recording of "The Way The Wind Blows". Especially given the events of the last 15 months or so, it's an incredible testament to Neil's talent and the band's affection and respect for one another.
I just love that dynamic between Alex and Geddy - and then Nick - who want to push Neil a little. He's not thrilled with that idea, but goes along with it.... and DESTROYS the song (in a good way). Forget about Rush, forget about music, that's something I love and respect about LIFE. Not everyone - even your friends - are going to kiss your ass all the time, not everyone is or will accept "good enough", and you can either roll over and pitch a fit, or you can rise to the occasion. I think it speaks volumes of Neil as a man, a musician, and a friend that he not only rose to the occasion, but transcended it.
As for sound, I find it hilarious that we're commenting on the sound of S&A when "Grace Under Pressure" is in the catalogue. :)
I know I've gotten a few laughs here but snakes and arrows really is my favorite album. It's the first one that I listened to and the one I go back to the most. I've never seen snakes and arrows love, I should give that a look.
Certainly an unpopular opinion but there's a lot of great music on S&A and like Kev said, it was refreshing to see them have the balls to put so much of it into the setlist when most bands their age are just coasting on their old songs. My favorite is Hold Your Fire which is frequently at the bottom of peoples lists, so I'm right there with you.
"Watch Crown Lands' absolutely epic Star Wars-themed tribute to Rush"Just watched that this morning. Awesome sounding band!
https://www.loudersound.com/news/watch-crown-lands-absolutely-epic-star-wars-themed-tribute-to-rush
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOsOXLixWoY
"Watch Crown Lands' absolutely epic Star Wars-themed tribute to Rush"That is a great sounding epic song! Cool video too. I saw that they worked with the same producers of Rush.
https://www.loudersound.com/news/watch-crown-lands-absolutely-epic-star-wars-themed-tribute-to-rush
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOsOXLixWoY
An excellent cover of The Pass from a trio of french canadian dudes who really honed in on the sounds
https://youtu.be/os80D4UA0h4
I don't know anything about this site. Are they legit? If so, apparently Geddy and Alex have written some material and plan on working together. Not sure what it would be or who may join them but I'm glad to see that they want to keep creating music.
https://metalwani.com/2021/02/rushs-alex-lifeson-geddy-lee-confirm-they-will-get-together-write-new-music.html?fbclid=IwAR17Klc095aqIwf0El7w-Y1oSVGDiaa5oYfu1VYJmKJWliL1tgLktiMjhf4
If they did something, it won't be called Rush. You can take that to the bank.
Have Geddy just play bass and get Claudio from Coheed to sing. Would have that classic Ged vocal vibe.
And that's about as non-committal and wishy-washy as can be.
Have Geddy just play bass and get Claudio from Coheed to sing.
Have Geddy just play bass and get Claudio from Coheed to sing.
No thank you.
I'd like to be able to listen to it.
It would be great if they had a different singer and a different keyboard player. I would like to see Geddy just on the bass.
So, how about this?
Ted Leonard - vocals
Alex Lifeson - guitar
Geddy Lee - bass
Ryo Okumoto - keyboards
Gavin Harrison - drums
And to be honest, Ted might not be a stretch. He gave an interview years ago where he mentioned an older band reached out to him for a collaboration. This might be what it is.
I also tried to select a keyboard player that isn't a part of Spock's Beard, given that Ted is, but since the band has been quiet for a while now, I'd love to hear Ryo somewhere else.
And to be honest, Ted might not be a stretch. He gave an interview years ago where he mentioned an older band reached out to him for a collaboration. This might be what it is.
Rush or Yes? (I have no secret knowledge myself, just that's who I would have guessed once I heard of the reacharoundout.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RETaaYOxi1c&ab_channel=ThatDrummerGuy
This is the interview. He avoids spilling all of the beans on 51:48 - apparently, an older band with a huge following called it a day, but two of the guys do not want to call it a day. We might as well put two and two together. :P
It's also the interview where he reveals Neal considered him for Flying Colors before Mike suggested Casey. It worked out well for both SB and FC.
It definitely doesn't have to be Rush, it could be a different band. But I'd like to be the first one to throw it out there, if the news comes out and confirms it. ;D
Have you heard this cover of "Anthem"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fULwDbZ4iSU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fULwDbZ4iSU)
What do you think about this? Musically it's pretty nice, but I find vocals by C&C guy annoying, he kinda ruined this song. I never got into C&C.
That Anthem cover sounded great to me on all levels! :metal
Have you heard this cover of "Anthem"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fULwDbZ4iSU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fULwDbZ4iSU)
What do you think about this? Musically it's pretty nice, but I find vocals by C&C guy annoying, he kinda ruined this song. I never got into C&C.
YYNOT is undoubtedly the coolest band carrying on the Rush torch. I love them.Have you heard this cover of "Anthem"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fULwDbZ4iSU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fULwDbZ4iSU)
What do you think about this? Musically it's pretty nice, but I find vocals by C&C guy annoying, he kinda ruined this song. I never got into C&C.
I prefer this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rSNie948S0
YYNOT is undoubtedly the coolest band carrying on the Rush torch. I love them.Have you heard this cover of "Anthem"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fULwDbZ4iSU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fULwDbZ4iSU)
What do you think about this? Musically it's pretty nice, but I find vocals by C&C guy annoying, he kinda ruined this song. I never got into C&C.
I prefer this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rSNie948S0
Have you heard this cover of "Anthem"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fULwDbZ4iSU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fULwDbZ4iSU)
What do you think about this? Musically it's pretty nice, but I find vocals by C&C guy annoying, he kinda ruined this song. I never got into C&C.
YYNOT is undoubtedly the coolest band carrying on the Rush torch. I love them.Have you heard this cover of "Anthem"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fULwDbZ4iSU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fULwDbZ4iSU)
What do you think about this? Musically it's pretty nice, but I find vocals by C&C guy annoying, he kinda ruined this song. I never got into C&C.
I prefer this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rSNie948S0
Yes, the vocals didn't bother me at all. :coolioThat Anthem cover sounded great to me on all levels! :metal
Even vocally?
Geddy is such a unique vocalist that trying to cover Rush songs is difficult since the cover singer will inevitably not sound much like him at all, and the average Rush fan* is far too overly protective of the band and always has their pitchfork ready, so it's a no-win situation, really.
*Not referring to anyone here, just speaking in generalities.
And then there's this from Rik Emmett:Nice! I was just listening to Rik Emmett & Resolution9 cd last night. It features Alex Lifeson on track 2 (Human Race), and James Labrie on track 3 (I Sing).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwb_uRzo8I
And then there's this from Rik Emmett:Nice! I was just listening to Rik Emmett & Resolution9 cd last night. It features Alex Lifeson on track 2 (Human Race), and James Labrie on track 3 (I Sing).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwb_uRzo8I
Then JLB and Alex both on track 10 (End of the Line). Good stuff! :tup
Martin Popoff's Driven came out today. I enjoyed the previous two installments enough, though I'm hoping there's a lot more info I don't know already which wasn't really the case for the other two books.I haven't gotten any of these books, altho I've got Visions, Chemistry and Contents Under Pressure. Is there anything significant in the new books not already found in these three?
Martin Popoff's Driven came out today. I enjoyed the previous two installments enough, though I'm hoping there's a lot more info I don't know already which wasn't really the case for the other two books.I haven't gotten any of these books, altho I've got Visions, Chemistry and Contents Under Pressure. Is there anything significant in the new books not already found in these three?
Geddy is such a unique vocalist that trying to cover Rush songs is difficult since the cover singer will inevitably not sound much like him at all, and the average Rush fan* is far too overly protective of the band and always has their pitchfork ready, so it's a no-win situation, really.
*Not referring to anyone here, just speaking in generalities.
Geddy is such a unique vocalist that trying to cover Rush songs is difficult since the cover singer will inevitably not sound much like him at all, and the average Rush fan* is far too overly protective of the band and always has their pitchfork ready, so it's a no-win situation, really.
*Not referring to anyone here, just speaking in generalities.
One reason I like Jacob Moon’s covers. He can kind of make the material his own without drawing too many comparisons.
Martin Popoff's Driven came out today. I enjoyed the previous two installments enough, though I'm hoping there's a lot more info I don't know already which wasn't really the case for the other two books.
Martin Popoff's Driven came out today. I enjoyed the previous two installments enough, though I'm hoping there's a lot more info I don't know already which wasn't really the case for the other two books.I haven't gotten any of these books, altho I've got Visions, Chemistry and Contents Under Pressure. Is there anything significant in the new books not already found in these three?
Also, when I downloaded CA back when it came out the tracks must have been mislabeled because the song that is Halo Effect is actually what I thought was Carnies and vice-versa. I never knew that the songs were mixed up until reading the CA chapter and comparing song descriptions and track lengths.
Are you guys familiar with Ben Mink, ho played violin on Losing It?
And wasn't he the guy that collaborated with Geddy Lee for his solo album?Are you guys familiar with Ben Mink, ho played violin on Losing It?
You mean beyond knowing he's the guy who played electric violin on Losing It?
Are you guys familiar with Ben Mink, ho played violin on Losing It?
You mean beyond knowing he's the guy who played electric violin on Losing It?
Are you guys familiar with Ben Mink, ho played violin on Losing It?
And wasn't he the guy that collaborated with Geddy Lee for his solo album?Are you guys familiar with Ben Mink, ho played violin on Losing It?
You mean beyond knowing he's the guy who played electric violin on Losing It?
Also, when I downloaded CA back when it came out the tracks must have been mislabeled because the song that is Halo Effect is actually what I thought was Carnies and vice-versa. I never knew that the songs were mixed up until reading the CA chapter and comparing song descriptions and track lengths.
Ha! I had the same issue with Iron Maiden's Killers album. I have the CD (and before that, I had the vinyl), and the tracks are properly labeled on the CD, but I had never spent a ton of time listening to side 2/the second half of the album. In 2007, I got an IPod and ITunes, and I uploaded all of my CDs. In the process, Twilight Zone, Prodigal Son and Purgatory got mixed up. I didn't realize it until a couple years ago when somewhere here pointed it out. It's a weird feeling.
He also played guitar on Teddy's solo album. I did a career spanning interview with him last night. We spoke for more than an hour, and he shared MANY Rush anecdotes, including the fact that Geddy played bass on a few kd lang demos.
He also played guitar on Teddy's solo album. I did a career spanning interview with him last night. We spoke for more than an hour, and he shared MANY Rush anecdotes, including the fact that Geddy played bass on a few kd lang demos.
So you're saying now I need to find those KD Lang demos?
https://youtu.be/CJgXKdo0LbU
Anybody seen this pretty great cover of Middletown Dreams? :tup Discovered this by accident!
I thought just the opposite. The musicians did just fine but the vocals sounded a bit awkward.https://youtu.be/CJgXKdo0LbU
Anybody seen this pretty great cover of Middletown Dreams? :tup Discovered this by accident!
Vocalist is great, but the sloppiness of the musicians on the chorus and the 2nd verse made me turn it off.
He also played guitar on Teddy's solo album. I did a career spanning interview with him last night. We spoke for more than an hour, and he shared MANY Rush anecdotes, including the fact that Geddy played bass on a few kd lang demos.
So you're saying now I need to find those KD Lang demos?
Ben is the one who has them...
He also played guitar on Teddy's solo album. I did a career spanning interview with him last night. We spoke for more than an hour, and he shared MANY Rush anecdotes, including the fact that Geddy played bass on a few kd lang demos.
So you're saying now I need to find those KD Lang demos?
Ben is the one who has them...
So they've not been released on a KD Lang deluxe edition or anything like that?
Anyone see Geddy and Alex introduce the humanitarian award to The Tragically Hip at the Juno’s?Yeah, I've noticed he's been aging pretty poorly over the last 5 years. I feel like Geddy has looked the same for the last 25 years.
Geddy looks like Geddy....but Alex looked terrible. And a few people have said that he’s had some health issues lately.
I haven’t gotten over Neil yet, so I really hope Alex is OK.
I thought he looked fine. He's 67. None of us are getting any younger, alas.
I thought he looked fine. He's 67. None of us are getting any younger, alas.
Well so is Geddy. But Alex looked…..not anything as spry as Geddy.
Alex didn’t look himself. Seriously. I hope it was just the flu or something.
I thought he looked fine. He's 67. None of us are getting any younger, alas.
Well so is Geddy. But Alex looked…..not anything as spry as Geddy.
Alex didn’t look himself. Seriously. I hope it was just the flu or something.
How do you get that from them standing still talking? If he had the flu he's sound worse.
Some sad news, Neil's father passed away on June 12 after a battle with cancer. Neil's sister Nancy posted this on her FB.
"On behalf of our Mother and all of our family members, The Peart Family would like to thank everyone for the expressions of sympathy for the passing of our very beloved Glen; husband, father, grandfather, & great grandfather. Thank you to Hospice Muskoka Andy's House staff for the wonderful care and facility. If anyone would like to donate to our charities in the Peart name, please see the links below. Thank you so much to everyone for your thoughts".
https://www.facebook.com/nancy.burkholder.1/posts/10158159626091845 (https://www.facebook.com/nancy.burkholder.1/posts/10158159626091845)
The thing about RTB is that it has a few weak tracks, which for some fans, is all they think of. But it has three of the biggest concert staples of their career( Dreamline, Bravado, RTB). The band probably thinks about those songs mainly when talking about the album. On top of those three you another great song with Ghost of a Chance, a decent instrumental, and two pretty good songs; The Big Wheel and Heresy. Commercially the album was a hit as well. So yeah…they should be proud of it. I think it’s a great album and a great mix of what they did in the 80s and what they were moving toward. For me they didn’t make a better album until Clockwork Angels.
I equate RTB to the self-titled Genesis album from 1983. The first side is classic. Concert staples, hits, fan faves. Mike Rutherford has said that it’s his favorite Genesis record. That one side is so good, it doesn’t really matter that the second side is pretty much forgettable to most fans. Now myself, and a lot of others like those tunes. But that’s not really the point.
I imagine that's often why we as fans have certain expectations/desires about our favorite bands going for certain sounds/styles, while in reality they have internally moved on from them...not necessarily for "commercial" reasons, but because they are genuinely interested in something different. Not saying that's always the case. But I'd think this is often true, especially for bands with long - and eclectic! - histories, like Rush was.
The thing about RTB is that it has a few weak tracks, which for some fans, is all they think of. But it has three of the biggest concert staples of their career( Dreamline, Bravado, RTB). The band probably thinks about those songs mainly when talking about the album. On top of those three you another great song with Ghost of a Chance, a decent instrumental, and two pretty good songs; The Big Wheel and Heresy. Commercially the album was a hit as well. So yeah…they should be proud of it. I think it’s a great album and a great mix of what they did in the 80s and what they were moving toward. For me they didn’t make a better album until Clockwork Angels.
The thing about RTB is that it has a few weak tracks, which for some fans, is all they think of. But it has three of the biggest concert staples of their career( Dreamline, Bravado, RTB). The band probably thinks about those songs mainly when talking about the album. On top of those three you another great song with Ghost of a Chance, a decent instrumental, and two pretty good songs; The Big Wheel and Heresy. Commercially the album was a hit as well. So yeah…they should be proud of it. I think it’s a great album and a great mix of what they did in the 80s and what they were moving toward. For me they didn’t make a better album until Clockwork Angels.
As far as what Geddy thinks, that's great, but a musical artist's opinions about his/her own songs has no impact on what I like and don't like.
As far as what Geddy thinks, that's great, but a musical artist's opinions about his/her own songs has no impact on what I like and don't like.
Oh, I agree 100%. There are plenty of examples (including this, at least to an extent) where that's the case for me (or when the converse is true too!). Maybe that's a good idea for a thread!
I just find these statements interesting as they give some insight, whatever that might be, in what the artist's thinking is and their musical journey - once again, discounting the "this last album is the best thing we've ever done" kind of statement ;)
Back to the tunes, I have always loved Roll the Bones, so any support for it, from fans or Geddy, is something I can get behind. :coolio :coolioSame. It was the first album I bought with my own money when it came out, so maybe I'm biased. I don't love every song on it, but I think every song has merit.
This is my 2112th post, so I put it in this thread.
This is my 2112th post, so I put it in this thread.
This is my 2112th post, so I put it in this thread.Now just put number 2113 in the Coheed and Cambria thread. :metal
Counterparts is great. It sounds great, and the songs themselves I would rank near the top of "later Rush" for me.
Counterparts was a big improvement over RTB. I liked it more when it came out than I do now, but I'd still say it's "pretty good." My affinity for Animate has waned, but I still like Stick It Out. Nobody's Hero hasn't aged well for me. Never been a huge fan of Thing 1, but it's ok. Same with Chase. The Speed of Love and Cold Fire are the duds of the album, but the rest of the tracks really grew on me over the years -- particularly Everyday Glory, which is my favorite song on the album.
I loved CP when it first came out, but it hasn’t aged well IMO. After being synth dominant from 82-87, and then a bit more organic (but with a lighter tone) for Presto and RTB, CPs harder sound was a breath of fresh air. However, songs like Stick it Out felt like they were trying too hard to stay relevant in the grunge era. The album does have some great songs (Animate, Cut to the Chase, Alien Shore, Cold Fire) but some of the songs fell flat (Stick it Out, Nobody’s Hero, Between the Sun and Moon, Speed of Love). The reason I’ve always preferred TFE is because it felt more like they found *their own* sound with the harder edged approach instead of hunting around for what they were trying to be.
And to anyone that wants to criticize the lyrical missteps on TFE, I would argue that BTSAM might be the worst lyrics since the debut. That chorus is TERRIBLE. I hope it was Pye’s contribution because I would hate to believe Neil was responsible for that dreck.
I loved CP when it first came out, but it hasn’t aged well. The reason I’ve always preferred TFE is because it felt more like they found *their own* sound with the harder edged approach instead of hunting around for what they were trying to be.I'm a big fan of TFE. Time and Motion is one of my favorite deep cuts from Rush.. :coolio
I loved CP when it first came out, but it hasn’t aged well. The reason I’ve always preferred TFE is because it felt more like they found *their own* sound with the harder edged approach instead of hunting around for what they were trying to be.I'm a big fan of TFE. Time and Motion is one of my favorite deep cuts from Rush.. :coolio
I loved CP when it first came out, but it hasn’t aged well. The reason I’ve always preferred TFE is because it felt more like they found *their own* sound with the harder edged approach instead of hunting around for what they were trying to be.I'm a big fan of TFE. Time and Motion is one of my favorite deep cuts from Rush.. :coolio
I remember being really excited about Time and Motion back then, because it sounded a little more "proggy" ;D But I'd say, soon after, my excitement waned a bit, as the song doesn't really seem to go anywhere...The title track, Driven and Virtuality are probably my faves from the record
I will also reiterate this, although I have never been able to grasp onto the Foos music, I'm not sure there is a musician I respect more than Dave Grohl. Throw out a documentary that he is involved with and I am there. His love and passion for all of this is just awesome.I'm in the same boat - what little I've heard from FF doesn't do anything for me, but DG is about as passionate as they come. Would've loved to have seen MP
And to anyone that wants to criticize the lyrical missteps on TFE, I would argue that BTSAM might be the worst lyrics since the debut. That chorus is TERRIBLE. I hope it was Pye’s contribution because I would hate to believe Neil was responsible for that dreck.
And to anyone that wants to criticize the lyrical missteps on TFE, I would argue that BTSAM might be the worst lyrics since the debut. That chorus is TERRIBLE. I hope it was Pye’s contribution because I would hate to believe Neil was responsible for that dreck.I think they're both responsible for your dreck:
I also really like The Color of Right. I think I might be alone in that, but I love the lyric.Definitely just a generic tune that doesn't stand out at all. That said, I'll take it over probably half of the other stuff on T4E. One song I love lyrically but musically leaves me flat is Half the World.
We all like what we like. I get it. Heck, there are some Rush fans out there who love Presto more than Moving Pictures.
I hate being predictable.I'm with you on the T4E>CP debate. :metal
:rollin
But seriously, it baffles me. TFE came out when I was running the CD shop at the local Fred Meyer, and I played it in store constantly. Couldn’t get enough of it. It wasn’t until I started hanging out online some 4 years later that I discovered there was a world where Rush fans revered CP over TFE. I actually like CP, and I get why people love it (especially after the tepid RTB) but it just didn’t age well for me and I consider decent, but just average. But TFE is top 6, and was top 5 until CA came out. I’m still shocked that people don’t think that’s the pinnacle of their 90s output.
We all like what we like. I get it. Heck, there are some Rush fans out there who love Presto more than Moving Pictures.
Present. I also like Test for Echo better than MP probably!
CA
S&A
TFE
CP
VT
Also, don't know if any of you have done this but given the correct frame of mind/mood and with a good set of headphones, CA and S&A are amazing experiences. There is so much going on but you have to have that totally absorbing headspace and high quality gear to tune into it.
We all like what we like. I get it. Heck, there are some Rush fans out there who love Presto more than Moving Pictures.
For me - ranking from CP on:
Power Windows IS great!We all like what we like. I get it. Heck, there are some Rush fans out there who love Presto more than Moving Pictures.
It's the folks who think Power Windows is great that really concern me.
We all like what we like. I get it. Heck, there are some Rush fans out there who love Presto more than Moving Pictures.
It's the folks who think Power Windows is great that really concern me.
Power Windows IS great!We all like what we like. I get it. Heck, there are some Rush fans out there who love Presto more than Moving Pictures.
It's the folks who think Power Windows is great that really concern me.
Power Windows IS great!We all like what we like. I get it. Heck, there are some Rush fans out there who love Presto more than Moving Pictures.
It's the folks who think Power Windows is great that really concern me.
The greatest!
Power Windows IS great!We all like what we like. I get it. Heck, there are some Rush fans out there who love Presto more than Moving Pictures.
It's the folks who think Power Windows is great that really concern me.
The greatest!
Too true. If you take Emotion Detector off, you have a collection of the 7 most perfectly crafted songs from the synth era. Their songwriting would never again be on this level caliber for the remainder of the trio's output, and they would never again release another album of mostly all A-grade material. From this point going forward, there would be lots more "filler" tracks on each successive record.
CA
S&A
TFE
CP
VT
Also, don't know if any of you have done this but given the correct frame of mind/mood and with a good set of headphones, CA and S&A are amazing experiences. There is so much going on but you have to have that totally absorbing headspace and high quality gear to tune into it.
I have a really hard time listening to CA because of the sound issues. Headphones feel like they might be worse, but if you have really good ones maybe it’s ok?
We all like what we like. I get it. Heck, there are some Rush fans out there who love Presto more than Moving Pictures.
It's the folks who think Power Windows is great that really concern me.
Power Windows IS great!
The greatest!
Too true. If you take Emotion Detector off, you have a collection of the 7 most perfectly crafted songs from the synth era. Their songwriting would never again be on this level caliber for the remainder of the trio's output, and they would never again release another album of mostly all A-grade material. From this point going forward, there would be lots more "filler" tracks on each successive record.
I freaking love Emotion Detector. One of my favorite Rush songs. That middle section is legit and the lyrics are really strong.
It's the folks who think Power Windows is great that really concern me.
There's quite a bit to enjoy about that song...but that's just the one that does the least for me personally. Other candidates for weakest link could go to either Middletown Dreams or Territories. But then I feel as strongly positive about those two tunes as you do about Emotion Detector. I don't think I could bear to see either one go! Too much personal connection with them.
It seems most of the best Rush albums are either solid through and through, or have only one skip-able track. PW certainly qualifies in this regard. Unlike the following records, where you'd want to skip anywhere from 3-6 tracks.
Shouldn't there be a facebook group for this or something?
Shouldn't there be a facebook group for this or something?
Heck yeah, a great song! Geddy's bass playing is off the charts insane during the guitar solo. :metalPower Windows IS great!We all like what we like. I get it. Heck, there are some Rush fans out there who love Presto more than Moving Pictures.
It's the folks who think Power Windows is great that really concern me.
The greatest!
Too true. If you take Emotion Detector off, you have a collection of the 7 most perfectly crafted songs from the synth era. Their songwriting would never again be on this level caliber for the remainder of the trio's output, and they would never again release another album of mostly all A-grade material. From this point going forward, there would be lots more "filler" tracks on each successive record.
I freaking love Emotion Detector. One of my favorite Rush songs. That middle section is legit and the lyrics are really strong.
Power Windows IS great!We all like what we like. I get it. Heck, there are some Rush fans out there who love Presto more than Moving Pictures.
It's the folks who think Power Windows is great that really concern me.
The greatest!
Too true. If you take Emotion Detector off, you have a collection of the 7 most perfectly crafted songs from the synth era. Their songwriting would never again be on this level caliber for the remainder of the trio's output, and they would never again release another album of mostly all A-grade material. From this point going forward, there would be lots more "filler" tracks on each successive record.
I can see how the dialed-up-to-11 drumming, insane basslines, textural guitar parts, and majestic vocals from PoW are just such a turn-off. :o
It seems most of the best Rush albums are either solid through and through, or have only one skip-able track.
Yeah. I've always felt that the chorus for Witch Hunt foreshadows the impending synth era.
Out of curiosity, which part of Witch Hunt are you referring to as a "chorus"?
POW is full of skippable tracks. I regularly run through all the Rush albums and don't skip tracks. However, if I were just putting on POW by itself, the only tracks I'd bother with would be Manhattan Project, Marathon, Middletown Dreams and Emotion Detector. Mystic Rhythms was an embarrassment. I will allow that the live version of Grand Designs on the CA tour was decent and a vast improvement over the album.
Out of curiosity, which part of Witch Hunt are you referring to as a "chorus"?
The chord progression for the chorus starts at 1:32, but the stuff that sounds like it could be lifted off of Signals doesn't start until the 2:18 mark. Main difference, of course, is the vastly superior drum production on MP.
Well that's just your opinion man! :P The live version of Grand Designs was OK but to me it is a perfect example of a song that works much, much better on the studio version where all the sequencer triggered stuff feeling much more fully integrated into the production, and not just some bells and whistles tacked on to a live trio performance. What tears me the most about CA was there they had the fucking string section to do Manhattan Project, but do they use them? Nah this YYZ tune needs strings instead!
Out of curiosity, which part of Witch Hunt are you referring to as a "chorus"?
The chord progression for the chorus starts at 1:32, but the stuff that sounds like it could be lifted off of Signals doesn't start until the 2:18 mark. Main difference, of course, is the vastly superior drum production on MP.
1:32 is in the middle of the first group of lyrics (between "the vigilantes gather on" and "the lonely torchlit hill"). 2:18 is in the middle of "oh, oh, oh, oooooohh!!" and is followed by the first big synth part. That's what you mean?Well that's just your opinion man! :P The live version of Grand Designs was OK but to me it is a perfect example of a song that works much, much better on the studio version where all the sequencer triggered stuff feeling much more fully integrated into the production, and not just some bells and whistles tacked on to a live trio performance. What tears me the most about CA was there they had the fucking string section to do Manhattan Project, but do they use them? Nah this YYZ tune needs strings instead!
Of course it's an opinion. That's all any of this is.
Also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X7_JYwDEEU (unfortunately, they alternated MP with Dreamline on that tour).
Also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X7_JYwDEEU (unfortunately, they alternated MP with Dreamline on that tour).
S&A sounds amazing. It's decent songs that it lacks.
Power Windows IS great!We all like what we like. I get it. Heck, there are some Rush fans out there who love Presto more than Moving Pictures.
It's the folks who think Power Windows is great that really concern me.
The greatest!
Too true. If you take Emotion Detector off, you have a collection of the 7 most perfectly crafted songs from the synth era. Their songwriting would never again be on this level caliber for the remainder of the trio's output, and they would never again release another album of mostly all A-grade material. From this point going forward, there would be lots more "filler" tracks on each successive record.
Emotion Detector is actually one of the decent songs on the album.I can see how the dialed-up-to-11 drumming, insane basslines, textural guitar parts, and majestic vocals from PoW are just such a turn-off. :o
How about the fake-sounding instruments? The blaring-like-a-car-horn keyboard patches? Insane bass lines? Beyond Marathon, I haven't heard any on POW, and his bass tone is bleh. Also, does "majestic" mean "largely emotionless"? Anyway, this horse is dead and beaten.
S&A sounds amazing. It's decent songs that it lacks.
I do think it has "decent" songs - the issue for me is that it doesn't have much beyond that ;) I find it enjoyable, and it sounds very good. Far Cry and Armor and Sword (anybody hear some Hysteria in the chorus' guitars or am I nuts?) start it off strong, then I like The Way the Wind Blows and find Main Monkey Business pretty fun, but the rest kind of comes and goes. Again, all very pleasant, but not much to wow me.
I thought they sounded absolutely great on that tour, though. In fact, the live album/DVD from it is thoroughly enjoyable. Setlist considerations aside, I find it significantly better than the ones that followed it.
pg is the only person I've ever heard calling Power Windows Emotionless. :lol
pg is the only person I've ever heard calling Power Windows Emotionless. :lol
Must not have the ..detector.
They purposely when heavy on the synths for Signals but Alex pushed back and had a more prominent sound for his guitars on GUP. It was them asking Peter Collins on PW if they could balance to 2.
:rollinThey purposely when heavy on the synths for Signals but Alex pushed back and had a more prominent sound for his guitars on GUP. It was them asking Peter Collins on PW if they could balance to 2.
The problem is everything else on GUP. Neil's drums are anemic and Alex sounds like he's auditioning for The Police.
They purposely when heavy on the synths for Signals but Alex pushed back and had a more prominent sound for his guitars on GUP. It was them asking Peter Collins on PW if they could balance to 2.
The problem is everything else on GUP. Neil's drums are anemic and Alex sounds like he's auditioning for The Police.
They purposely when heavy on the synths for Signals but Alex pushed back and had a more prominent sound for his guitars on GUP. It was them asking Peter Collins on PW if they could balance to 2.
The problem is everything else on GUP. Neil's drums are anemic and Alex sounds like he's auditioning for The Police.
LOL Did you know Neil purposely did not use his concert toms in recording GUP?
pg is the only person I've ever heard calling Power Windows Emotionless. :lol
Also his favorite song on the album is by far the least liked song by most Rush fans. Though the guitar solo in EM is amazing.
Power Windows has no weak songs.
Power Windows has no weak songs.
....Alex sounds like he's auditioning for The Police.
For a while there, Alex seemed to be channeling Andy Summers (of The Police). Lots of 7ths and 9ths, somehow distorted and clean-sounding at the same time, compressed but ever-so-slightly low in the mix. I happen to like the sound, but Rush's reggae/ska period did seem to borrow heavily from The Police.
Summers and Fripp made an album together, I Advance Masked (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Advance_Masked), released in 1982. So it makes sense that they would influence each other.
I have this album, but must admit that I don't like it as much as I thought I would.
I remember interviews with Geddy and Alex in Circus and Hit Parader at that time, and I remember them saying that it wasn’t accidental. They were absolutely enamored with The Police around this time period and wore their influence on their sleeves.
I remember interviews with Geddy and Alex in Circus and Hit Parader at that time, and I remember them saying that it wasn’t accidental. They were absolutely enamored with The Police around this time period and wore their influence on their sleeves.
I've always like some stuff by The Police, and some not so much. But they're all great musicians, so I can see Rush being impressed by them. I can even imagine Neil maybe picking up a new trick or two from Stewart Copeland.
Power Windows has no weak songs.
I mean, how can you really tell?
I'm not familiar with Tim Alexander, but I think I get what you're saying. They each have a very "musical" approach (for lack of a better term) to drumming and percussion. Not just keeping the beat, but finding specific licks and fills that highlight and augment the music. That's theoretically true of every played in a band, but it is not true of a lot of drummers. Most just keep the beat, and maybe come up with an interesting fill at the end of each line.
We've all seen the video of "Tom Sawyer" where basically the entire audience is air-drumming the fills. That's because those are composed parts. Neil's drum parts are as much a composition and part of the song as what Geddy and Alex are playing. Maybe even moreso, since Geddy and Alex mess around a bit, and Neil does not.
I think I've written this before, but I was watching... I think it was Snakes and Arrows on Blu-ray and Tom Sawyer came on, and my daughter (who is NOT a Rush fan) walked by and stopped and started waving her arms. She ended up watching the rest of the song.
It's true. Some people don't like Rush in the 80s. It's understandable, I think, because in terms of the sound of the band it's radically different. It's almost like being a fan of two different bands.
Exit Stage Left and Presto were the first two that got me into Rush. Then I saw the Presto tour live in Seattle my senior year in high school and was completely blown away! :omg:It's true. Some people don't like Rush in the 80s. It's understandable, I think, because in terms of the sound of the band it's radically different. It's almost like being a fan of two different bands.
And then some people like me got into the 80s and beyond stuff first, and then had a hard time with the 70s era, especially the difference in Geddy's voice and some of the more awkward songwriting from that era. For me, Rush became really really good from 1980 on, but were hit or miss before then (arguably hit or miss from about 1990 on too, but I still prefer that era to the 70s).
It's true. Some people don't like Rush in the 80s. It's understandable, I think, because in terms of the sound of the band it's radically different. It's almost like being a fan of two different bands.
And then some people like me got into the 80s and beyond stuff first, and then had a hard time with the 70s era, especially the difference in Geddy's voice and some of the more awkward songwriting from that era. For me, Rush became really really good from 1980 on, but were hit or miss before then (arguably hit or miss from about 1990 on too, but I still prefer that era to the 70s).
Exit Stage Left and Presto were the first two that got me into Rush. Then I saw the Presto tour live in Seattle my senior year in high school and was completely blown away! :omg:It's true. Some people don't like Rush in the 80s. It's understandable, I think, because in terms of the sound of the band it's radically different. It's almost like being a fan of two different bands.
And then some people like me got into the 80s and beyond stuff first, and then had a hard time with the 70s era, especially the difference in Geddy's voice and some of the more awkward songwriting from that era. For me, Rush became really really good from 1980 on, but were hit or miss before then (arguably hit or miss from about 1990 on too, but I still prefer that era to the 70s).
So roll call. How many times have you seen Rush and what was the first tour.
I've seen Rush 31 times. 1st was on the Grace Under Pressure Tour.
Only 4 times:
2002 - Sao Paulo and Rio
2010 - Sao Paulo and Rio
I've seen Rush 20 times. First show was in September of 1983 at Radio City Music Hall. They played 4 or 5 shows at Radio City that September. These shows were between Signals and GUP and they actually premiered some early versions of a few GUP songs (different arrangements etc.)
It's true. Some people don't like Rush in the 80s. It's understandable, I think, because in terms of the sound of the band it's radically different. It's almost like being a fan of two different bands.
And then some people like me got into the 80s and beyond stuff first, and then had a hard time with the 70s era, especially the difference in Geddy's voice and some of the more awkward songwriting from that era. For me, Rush became really really good from 1980 on, but were hit or miss before then (arguably hit or miss from about 1990 on too, but I still prefer that era to the 70s).
So roll call. How many times have you seen Rush and what was the first tour.
I've seen Rush 31 times. 1st was on the Grace Under Pressure Tour.
I've seen Rush 20 times. First show was in September of 1983 at Radio City Music Hall. They played 4 or 5 shows at Radio City that September. These shows were between Signals and GUP and they actually premiered some early versions of a few GUP songs (different arrangements etc.)
I've seen Rush 20 times. First show was in September of 1983 at Radio City Music Hall. They played 4 or 5 shows at Radio City that September. These shows were between Signals and GUP and they actually premiered some early versions of a few GUP songs (different arrangements etc.)
Were those the infamous Marillion dates? The shows were Marillion almost got booed off the stage?
Still seems hard to imagine.
And that's what keeps this thread jumping!
I've posted about this before, but I first got into Rush between Signals and GUP, which is when we first got cable and MTV. I'm pretty sure I knew that Rush existed going back to elementary school, but I didn't get into popular/rock music until the summer between 8th grade and high school (1981). The Countdown and Subdivisions videos were my introduction to Rush, and I borrowed a lot of the back catalog from a friend's brother during late '82 and into '83. I was super excited for GUP -- my first "new" Rush album -- but I can recall seeing the video for Distant Early Warning on MTV and thinking "hmmmm...." And then I bought the album when it was released in April 1984, and I was seriously bummed -- especially by that infamously bad inner sleeve photo (at that time, a band's look still mattered to me).
I've seen Rush 20 times. First show was in September of 1983 at Radio City Music Hall. They played 4 or 5 shows at Radio City that September. These shows were between Signals and GUP and they actually premiered some early versions of a few GUP songs (different arrangements etc.)
Were those the infamous Marillion dates? The shows were Marillion almost got booed off the stage?
Still seems hard to imagine.
I've seen Rush 20 times. First show was in September of 1983 at Radio City Music Hall. They played 4 or 5 shows at Radio City that September. These shows were between Signals and GUP and they actually premiered some early versions of a few GUP songs (different arrangements etc.)
Were those the infamous Marillion dates? The shows were Marillion almost got booed off the stage?
Still seems hard to imagine.
I think that was 1986, Marillion straight up played Misplaced Childhood as their set (albums were shorter then obvs) which makes it even harder to believe but then again all fandom is trash and has always been.
Yeah, I saw Marillion play all of Misplaced Childhood opening for Rush. Amazing.
PG, very cool. What other bands have you seen that much?
Yeah, I saw Marillion play all of Misplaced Childhood opening for Rush. Amazing.Candlebox opened for them on the Counterparts tour
PG, very cool. What other bands have you seen that much?
I saw Fastway for GUP tour, The Steve Morse band and Marillion for the PW tour. I saw Vinnie Moore open but i forget what tour. Mr. Big twice on 2 separate tours. I would have killed to see Gary Moore live.
I saw Vinnie Moore open but i forget what tour.
AHHA! Presto tour. LOL Damn old age.Wat.
AHHA! Presto tour. LOL Damn old age.Wat.
They may have opened up for Rush in 1986 as well (someone can look that up) but they definitely opened up the Radio City shows in 1983. I didn't know who they were at the time, so no idea what they played - but they were booed loudly their entire set
My biggest regret is Missing Rush at The Gorge on the second leg of the Time Machine tour. It was the final show of the tour and Neil mentioned later that that particular show was the best they had ever played in their whole career!
So...here's a question (a couple of them actually).
I just read that the guy who directed Rush's Exit...Stage Left video release died. That release contained about an hour's worth of footage from Rush's March 27, 1981 show at the Montreal Forum.
I bought that video sometime in the mid-'80s (I actually had to get a store to special order it). I played the crap out of that VHS tape and even had to transfer the tape into a new case at some point. I held onto the VHS until the Replay x3 set was released, which included ESL on video.
So...the death of the director of ESL prompted a question about what became of the rest of the footage from the 3/27/81 show. I mean, they must have filmed the entire show, right? We're missing two sections each from 2112 and Cygnus Book II, and The Spirit of Radio and Natural Science and La Villa Strangiato, and many others. For everything I've read about Rush, I don't think I've ever heard anything about the rest of the footage. Is there anything out that that hints at what became of this footage and whether it still exists?
On a related note, I had been hoping we might get the complete concert as part of the 40th anniversary release for Moving Pictures. Are they even going to do a 40th anniversary release for their most popular album? Maybe a 40th anniversary release for Exit...Stage Left?
On a related note, I had been hoping we might get the complete concert as part of the 40th anniversary release for Moving Pictures. Are they even going to do a 40th anniversary release for their most popular album? Maybe a 40th anniversary release for Exit...Stage Left?Don't remember what interview, but I could swear I read something on rushisaband.com that mentioned in an interview with Hugh Syme, he confirmed that he was working on a deluxe package for the 40th anniversary of MP, but that it would be released later in the year. No clue as to what will be included, but I would hope a full MP live show that doesn't sound lifeless like ESL.
You mean that the Alive! Album cover is fake? Just like the album?? :biggrin:
Before you say anything, I realize parts of it are live. Not necessarily at a concert though.
You mean that the Alive! Album cover is fake? Just like the album?? :biggrin:
Before you say anything, I realize parts of it are live. Not necessarily at a concert though.
There's debate, but Paul and Eddie Kramer both agree there was a fair amount of work there. But I think Paul has it right: you're not listening for the mistakes. That album DOES, for better or worse, put you at A Kiss concert, just not the exact Kiss concert that was recorded that night in Cobo Hall in Detroit, the hall in Davenport Iowa, or wherever (there were four shows, I don't remember all four).
Discussing Kiss in the Rush thread should be permanent ban-worthy. :P :P
You mean that the Alive! Album cover is fake? Just like the album?? :biggrin:
Before you say anything, I realize parts of it are live. Not necessarily at a concert though.
There's debate, but Paul and Eddie Kramer both agree there was a fair amount of work there. But I think Paul has it right: you're not listening for the mistakes. That album DOES, for better or worse, put you at A Kiss concert, just not the exact Kiss concert that was recorded that night in Cobo Hall in Detroit, the hall in Davenport Iowa, or wherever (there were four shows, I don't remember all four).
You mean that the Alive! Album cover is fake? Just like the album?? :biggrin:
Before you say anything, I realize parts of it are live. Not necessarily at a concert though.
There's debate, but Paul and Eddie Kramer both agree there was a fair amount of work there. But I think Paul has it right: you're not listening for the mistakes. That album DOES, for better or worse, put you at A Kiss concert, just not the exact Kiss concert that was recorded that night in Cobo Hall in Detroit, the hall in Davenport Iowa, or wherever (there were four shows, I don't remember all four).
Sounds like they need a Strangers In The Night styled deluxe release.
You mean that the Alive! Album cover is fake? Just like the album?? :biggrin:
Before you say anything, I realize parts of it are live. Not necessarily at a concert though.
There's debate, but Paul and Eddie Kramer both agree there was a fair amount of work there. But I think Paul has it right: you're not listening for the mistakes. That album DOES, for better or worse, put you at A Kiss concert, just not the exact Kiss concert that was recorded that night in Cobo Hall in Detroit, the hall in Davenport Iowa, or wherever (there were four shows, I don't remember all four).
Sounds like they need a Strangers In The Night styled deluxe release.
There's a couple like that: I want a box of the Long Beach and Hammersmith shows for Maiden's Live After Death, and I'd love the four shows from the Alive! sessions. Maybe the three Massey Hall shows and the shows taped for ...ESL.
As far as the 40th anniversary for MP, the last I heard was that the person who worked at Anthem Records, who was in charge of doing those other anniversary editions, doesn’t work there now. So…that doesn’t bode well for that, and one for ESL is highly unlikely.
Don't remember what interview, but I could swear I read something on rushisaband.com that mentioned in an interview with Hugh Syme, he confirmed that he was working on a deluxe package for the 40th anniversary of MP, but that it would be released later in the year.
The video footage issue. More than likely, they probably only recorded key songs, or if there were others, it was scrapped years ago. People weren’t thinking about the type of archival stuff like that back then. It’s a similar issue with Van Halen’s infamous Oakland 1981 show. There were three songs that had amazing videos shot. People have been wanting to know if the rest of the show was filmed. I heard Michael Anthony asked about it and he said that he only remembered them shooting three songs because it was about promotion for the singles. I think Wolfgang Van Halen even said that he asked his dad once, he he told him that there wasn’t anything else.
We all like what we like. I get it. Heck, there are some Rush fans out there who love Presto more than Moving Pictures.
Where would you consider the Rush synth era to start?
They purposely when heavy on the synths for Signals but Alex pushed back and had a more prominent sound for his guitars on GUP. It was them asking Peter Collins on PW if they could balance to 2.
The problem is everything else on GUP. Neil's drums are anemic and Alex sounds like he's auditioning for The Police.
For a while there, Alex seemed to be channeling Andy Summers (of The Police). Lots of 7ths and 9ths, somehow distorted and clean-sounding at the same time, compressed but ever-so-slightly low in the mix. I happen to like the sound, but Rush's reggae/ska period did seem to borrow heavily from The Police.
That's really a great way to describe it. And I thought the sound was great too!
What's funny to me is Summer's similarly would be corrupted by Robert Fripp. And Synchronicity would be dominated by synth guitar gas clouds (ala Crimson Nuage style) in a departure from Summer's approach with previous Police records. Even the tune Mother has that distinctive tritonal Crim-blues vibe. Good musicians influencing other good musicians is a great thing.
Summers and Fripp made an album together, I Advance Masked (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Advance_Masked), released in 1982. So it makes sense that they would influence each other.
I have this album, but must admit that I don't like it as much as I thought I would.
Some cool stuff, great playing of course, but not exactly catchy. You have to listen actively to it, and you have to really get into what it is they're doing. Most of the tunes, I listen, then think "Okay, that was... interesting". But it's been a while for me, too. I might be due for a re-listen.
I actually forgot about Bewitched, the follow-up. I should revisit that one, too.
So roll call. How many times have you seen Rush and what was the first tour.
I've seen Rush 31 times. 1st was on the Grace Under Pressure Tour.
I've seen Rush 20 times. First show was in September of 1983 at Radio City Music Hall. They played 4 or 5 shows at Radio City that September. These shows were between Signals and GUP and they actually premiered some early versions of a few GUP songs (different arrangements etc.)
Were those the infamous Marillion dates? The shows were Marillion almost got booed off the stage?
Still seems hard to imagine.
I saw Fastway for GUP tour, The Steve Morse band and Marillion for the PW tour. I saw Vinnie Moore open but i forget what tour. Mr. Big twice on 2 separate tours. I would have killed to see Gary Moore live.
Kiss and Rush is like using your 2 different heads.
So roll call. How many times have you seen Rush and what was the first tour.
I've seen Rush 31 times. 1st was on the Grace Under Pressure Tour.
Hate this question but OK.
49 Times. First two were March 31 and April 1, 1986 with Marillion opening with Misplaced Childhood. At least once a US leg from 1986 to 2015. Longest drive was four hours three times.
Kiss and Rush is like using your 2 different heads.
That's what it must have been like in 1974 and 1975.
So roll call. How many times have you seen Rush and what was the first tour.
I've seen Rush 31 times. 1st was on the Grace Under Pressure Tour.
Hate this question but OK.
49 Times. First two were March 31 and April 1, 1986 with Marillion opening with Misplaced Childhood. At least once a US leg from 1986 to 2015. Longest drive was four hours three times.
LolKiss and Rush is like using your 2 different heads.
That's what it must have been like in 1974 and 1975.
That's like saying your first time having sex I was amazing.
More Alex Lifeson music from the likely scrapped second solo album.
https://alexlifeson.com/
More Alex Lifeson music from the likely scrapped second solo album.
https://alexlifeson.com/
Why scrapped? Is this the new music or was there another album a while ago that was shelved?
More Alex Lifeson music from the likely scrapped second solo album.I was listening to these a few days ago, but was a bit underwhelmed. I can see why he never released these songs. They sound more like he was just expirimenting with sounds and ideas and recorded them on the fly, which is a good thing btw.
https://alexlifeson.com/
Tickets On Sale Aug 17, 2021: https://www.cinemastrangiato.com
The Holy Trinity of Rock returns to the big screen on September 9, 2021, when "Rush: Cinema Strangiato - Director's Cut" brings Rush fans together in movie theatres once again worldwide – this time to celebrate 40 years of Moving Pictures. This global fan event takes an alternate “director’s cut” of 2019's feature, giving audiences a special look into R40 LIVE, with a revamped setlist including new additions of bonus tracks "One Little Victory" and “Red Barchetta” as well as "Cygnus X-1 / “The Story So Far” featuring Neil's final recorded drum solo masterpiece. Additional favorites include songs such as “Animate”, “Closer to the Heart", "Subdivisions", and “Tom Sawyer" along with backstage moments and candid footage left on the cutting room floor. The Director’s Cut also includes soundcheck performances of the fan-favorite "Jacob's Ladder", exclusive interviews with Tom Morello, Billy Corgan, Taylor Hawkins, producer Nick Raskulinecz, The Trailer Park Boys, violinist Jonathan Dinklage and more surprises.
Primus playing a A Farewell to Kings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S70s2qsMvI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zflb2s_yu2A
Primus playing a A Farewell to Kings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S70s2qsMvI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zflb2s_yu2A
I'm not sure if he yacked the keyboards in the intro of AFTK or deliberately changed the part. Either way, that part was hard to listen to. Instrumentally, the rest of the song was decently done (and I'm allowing for the cell phone camera audio), but the "singer's" attempt at the vocals was fairly pathetic. I'll probably at least check out Xanadu later.
Primus playing a A Farewell to Kings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S70s2qsMvI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zflb2s_yu2A
I'm not sure if he yacked the keyboards in the intro of AFTK or deliberately changed the part. Either way, that part was hard to listen to. Instrumentally, the rest of the song was decently done (and I'm allowing for the cell phone camera audio), but the "singer's" attempt at the vocals was fairly pathetic. I'll probably at least check out Xanadu later.
Watched the first few minutes. The music sounds ok (Les pretty much was able to capture Geddy's bass tone from back then) but the vocals are bad. Sounds like me singing them (which is really bad). I'm sorry but it just doesn't sound good sung an octave or two lower than the original - looses all the energy the original tune had..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SadY0mP812A
Rush beer coming. Very funny spot with Ged and Alex.
I'm so buying this. And it drops right when I'm on vaca! :fistpump:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SadY0mP812A
Rush beer coming. Very funny spot with Ged and Alex.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SadY0mP812A
Rush beer coming. Very funny spot with Ged and Alex.
Loved this :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SadY0mP812A
Rush beer coming. Very funny spot with Ged and Alex.
Loved this :lol
Inebriated Rush is my favorite Rush. :lol
More Alex Lifeson music from the likely scrapped second solo album.
https://alexlifeson.com/
Why scrapped? Is this the new music or was there another album a while ago that was shelved?
Cinema Strangiato trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB--b5wUrDsQuoteTickets On Sale Aug 17, 2021: https://www.cinemastrangiato.com
The Holy Trinity of Rock returns to the big screen on September 9, 2021, when "Rush: Cinema Strangiato - Director's Cut" brings Rush fans together in movie theatres once again worldwide – this time to celebrate 40 years of Moving Pictures. This global fan event takes an alternate “director’s cut” of 2019's feature, giving audiences a special look into R40 LIVE, with a revamped setlist including new additions of bonus tracks "One Little Victory" and “Red Barchetta” as well as "Cygnus X-1 / “The Story So Far” featuring Neil's final recorded drum solo masterpiece. Additional favorites include songs such as “Animate”, “Closer to the Heart", "Subdivisions", and “Tom Sawyer" along with backstage moments and candid footage left on the cutting room floor. The Director’s Cut also includes soundcheck performances of the fan-favorite "Jacob's Ladder", exclusive interviews with Tom Morello, Billy Corgan, Taylor Hawkins, producer Nick Raskulinecz, The Trailer Park Boys, violinist Jonathan Dinklage and more surprises.
Not surprise on the vocals. Les never had Geddy's range at all ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SadY0mP812A
Rush beer coming. Very funny spot with Ged and Alex.
I'll be filling my schmigilcha next week!
They crack me up, every time :rollin
It definitely sounds like they went though all of that beer tasting JUST before they shot this :biggrin:
Barenaked Geddy.:omg: Ewwwwww!
Barenaked Geddy.
Barenaked Geddy.:omg: Ewwwwww!
Barenaked Geddy.:omg: Ewwwwww!
:lol :lol
Rush was a band that was so much more than the sum of its parts. At this point, I have a very hard time envisioning myself caring too much about stuff they do on their own, but we'll see.
I have a bug in my bonnet that I need to get off my chest (how many metaphors is that?)
I just have no concept whatsoever of the hate for Virtuality.
Yes, I’ll admit that the terms are slightly dated, but the overall message and principle of the song is extremely poignant and actually becomes more accurate the more that technology becomes a part of our lives. That…on top of one of Alex’s more kick ass riffs…should give this song some credence.
I mean, come on. “Net boy, net girl” is not even Neil’s poorest lyric from this album…and he’s had much bigger missteps throughout the Rush catalog.
I just cannot for the life of me figure out why this song in particular gets a lightning rod of criticism.
I've been a critic of Virtuality, and for me it's less that that specific song is problematic for specific reasons, but rather that it was sort of indicative of the album as a whole. I don't know, for me, Rush wasn't really a "let's talk about the issues of the day" band. Their's was a more existential viewpoint (at least what I took from the band), so for me it seemed a sort of sop to the times that I had not really gotten from Rush before. Musically that was the case as well. In hindsight I'm softer on the music now than I was, but it's still not a top tier or even top half album for me.
I've been a critic of Virtuality, and for me it's less that that specific song is problematic for specific reasons, but rather that it was sort of indicative of the album as a whole. I don't know, for me, Rush wasn't really a "let's talk about the issues of the day" band. Their's was a more existential viewpoint (at least what I took from the band), so for me it seemed a sort of sop to the times that I had not really gotten from Rush before. Musically that was the case as well. In hindsight I'm softer on the music now than I was, but it's still not a top tier or even top half album for me.
But weren't albums like GUP and Power Windows a commentary about the issues of the day? To me, both of those albums are commentaries about the issues of the times: runaway greed (Big Money), Cold War tensions (Distant Early Warning, Territories), emerging technologies (The Body Electric, Emotion Detector), Boomer angst (Middletown Dreams, Between the Wheels) and so on. I think the lyrics for Virtuality are a bit clumsy, and a rare misstep from Neil, but man, for me, Neil nailed the commenting on the issues of the day with his lyrics in the 80s.
It seems for a lot of the lyrics from Rush's later albums Peart would intentionally have lyrics that had multiple levels of meaning. As we are discussing Virtuality, I'm pretty sure that Neil understood the different meanings of the word "net" when he penned that chorus. The most obvious, Net as in 'net (for internet). But also net as in fishing net, to go with the nautical allusions (cyber sea). But my personal favorite is net as in a sum: i.e. Net total. Net gain. When I hear that chorus, I hear Geddy singing mathematically about sums .. Crazy I know! But that's actually why I find it so funny! :lol
It seems for a lot of the lyrics from Rush's later albums Peart would intentionally have lyrics that had multiple levels of meaning. As we are discussing Virtuality, I'm pretty sure that Neil understood the different meanings of the word "net" when he penned that chorus. The most obvious, Net as in 'net (for internet). But also net as in fishing net, to go with the nautical allusions (cyber sea). But my personal favorite is net as in a sum: i.e. Net total. Net gain. When I hear that chorus, I hear Geddy singing mathematically about sums .. Crazy I know! But that's actually why I find it so funny! :lol
No, that's good insight that I don't think I've contemplated before. I may go back and re-listen with that knowledge. :tup
From that same album: "In the dog days. People look to Sirius." I have no clue what this means, but I only hear the homonym: "People look too serious." Surely this is intentional? It's jokey and silly. Now would Neil load a phrase with a serious meaning and simultaneously a tounge-in-cheek one as well? I suspect he would. But then again, I also don't hate Dog Years like everyone else. It's another humorous song built around a driving guitar riff. I guess I just happen to like most of Test For Echo. :)
From that same album: "In the dog days. People look to Sirius." I have no clue what this means, but I only hear the homonym: "People look too serious." Surely this is intentional? It's jokey and silly. Now would Neil load a phrase with a serious meaning and simultaneously a tounge-in-cheek one as well? I suspect he would. But then again, I also don't hate Dog Years like everyone else. It's another humorous song built around a driving guitar riff. I guess I just happen to like most of Test For Echo. :)
I think it’s just a pun on Serious/Sirius, with Sirius being known as the “Dog star.” It’s the brightest star in the sky and part of the constellation Canis Major (the Great Dog). People look to Sirius for direction at night, or they “look too serious” is the double meaning/joke.
I never made that connection, I always took it literal. From a dogs point of view, people may come across as being too serious while the dog would rather go on a walk or play all the time. It's like they really are thinking that we've lost our senses to that higher level static of talk, especially in a crowded room when the dog gives up on people and goes to lay down in a corner.From that same album: "In the dog days. People look to Sirius." I have no clue what this means, but I only hear the homonym: "People look too serious." Surely this is intentional? It's jokey and silly. Now would Neil load a phrase with a serious meaning and simultaneously a tounge-in-cheek one as well? I suspect he would. But then again, I also don't hate Dog Years like everyone else. It's another humorous song built around a driving guitar riff. I guess I just happen to like most of Test For Echo. :)
I think it’s just a pun on Serious/Sirius, with Sirius being known as the “Dog star.” It’s the brightest star in the sky and part of the constellation Canis Major (the Great Dog). People look to Sirius for direction at night, or they “look too serious” is the double meaning/joke.
As much as I love Neal and his perspective, as much as I love Alex and his goofiness (though deadly serious on guitar), I think Geddy's memoir would be the one I would look forward to most. I feel like his is... not unique, really, because each has their point of view, but maybe the least well-known, or at least the LEAST personal to date. That's not going to resonate with this crowd, but I know what I mean, even if I can't articulate it.I know what you mean and agree. I'll definitely be picking up his book and look forward to reading it.
As much as I love Neal and his perspective, as much as I love Alex and his goofiness (though deadly serious on guitar), I think Geddy's memoir would be the one I would look forward to most. I feel like his is... not unique, really, because each has their point of view, but maybe the least well-known, or at least the LEAST personal to date. That's not going to resonate with this crowd, but I know what I mean, even if I can't articulate it.
As much as I love Neal and his perspective, as much as I love Alex and his goofiness (though deadly serious on guitar), I think Geddy's memoir would be the one I would look forward to most. I feel like his is... not unique, really, because each has their point of view, but maybe the least well-known, or at least the LEAST personal to date. That's not going to resonate with this crowd, but I know what I mean, even if I can't articulate it.
https://bravewords.com/features/iron-maiden-scheduled-to-tour-senjutsu-next-june-i-think-the-performances-from-all-my-bandmates-are-superb-theyre-just-magic-says-nicko-mcbrain
This is a short, but very interesting interview with Nicko. He says the Senjutsu tour will start in June.
As much as I love Neal and his perspective, as much as I love Alex and his goofiness (though deadly serious on guitar), I think Geddy's memoir would be the one I would look forward to most. I feel like his is... not unique, really, because each has their point of view, but maybe the least well-known, or at least the LEAST personal to date. That's not going to resonate with this crowd, but I know what I mean, even if I can't articulate it.
https://bravewords.com/features/iron-maiden-scheduled-to-tour-senjutsu-next-june-i-think-the-performances-from-all-my-bandmates-are-superb-theyre-just-magic-says-nicko-mcbrain
This is a short, but very interesting interview with Nicko. He says the Senjutsu tour will start in June.
Will Alex and Geddy be opening???
:rollin
:facepalm: :facepalm: :loser: :loser:
That's what I get for having two DTF tabs up at the same time. :lol
I was about to reply to Stadler, but I got sidetracked.
Just another peg on that stick pointing out you are a foggy. :lolA foggy? :huh: You mean "fogey"? :rollin
The Ohio State marching band did a tribute to Rush at halftime of the OSU football game yesterday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTRluWPw08M
The Ohio State marching band did a tribute to Rush at halftime of the OSU football game yesterday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTRluWPw08M
Saw it last night. That was all kinds of awesome.
That was unbelievable. The choreography was out of this world.Are you sure you aren't my long lost twin brother? We have the same favorite band..... Our yearly album lists have tons of crossover..... :corn
And I second the comment about it being emotional to watch - I did get a little teary-eyed. In part it's just the sheer joy of watching such an awesome tribute to my favorite band. But it also got me thinking again how sad it is it had to end that way for Neil...
That was unbelievable. The choreography was out of this world.Are you sure you aren't my long lost twin brother? We have the same favorite band..... Our yearly album lists have tons of crossover..... :corn
And I second the comment about it being emotional to watch - I did get a little teary-eyed. In part it's just the sheer joy of watching such an awesome tribute to my favorite band. But it also got me thinking again how sad it is it had to end that way for Neil...
Real life re-enactment of Nick and I meeting for the first time :biggrin:That was unbelievable. The choreography was out of this world.Are you sure you aren't my long lost twin brother? We have the same favorite band..... Our yearly album lists have tons of crossover..... :corn
And I second the comment about it being emotional to watch - I did get a little teary-eyed. In part it's just the sheer joy of watching such an awesome tribute to my favorite band. But it also got me thinking again how sad it is it had to end that way for Neil...
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/9c23db33e0465a65e426e2691a55631f/tumblr_pxmmgkGK141sqsyybo10_r1_500.gif)
Real life re-enactment of Nick and I meeting for the first time :biggrin:That was unbelievable. The choreography was out of this world.Are you sure you aren't my long lost twin brother? We have the same favorite band..... Our yearly album lists have tons of crossover..... :corn
And I second the comment about it being emotional to watch - I did get a little teary-eyed. In part it's just the sheer joy of watching such an awesome tribute to my favorite band. But it also got me thinking again how sad it is it had to end that way for Neil...
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/9c23db33e0465a65e426e2691a55631f/tumblr_pxmmgkGK141sqsyybo10_r1_500.gif)
Well this is by far the coolest thing to ever happen in Ohio :lol :metalEspecially for a state that's round on both ends and high in the middle.. 🤪
Well this is by far the coolest thing to ever happen in Ohio :lol :metalEspecially for a state that's round on both ends and high in the middle.. 🤪
Picking that up day 1
The choreography was insane with this tribute! :omg:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CANy8pCS2rM
most of this I have read, although it was a long time ago.
But it's an interesting detail into the late John Rutsey's life and the early days of the band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ8w5sks47MThat actually wasn't that bad. I was expecting far worse. However, I think American Idol is stupid to begin with so....
I'm sorry.
I remember that...from a freakin' decade ago!
That's one of those songs that really needs the music going to make the vocals sound right. The performance itself wasn't bad, but the song choice was very poor.
Yeah, the singing was fine. If you put Geddy there with no accompaniment and no effects on his mic, he'd sound about the same. The whole thing seems more like a set up gag than anything. Find a nerdy looking guy to sing a "nerdy" song and make fun of him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CANy8pCS2rM
most of this I have read, although it was a long time ago.
But it's an interesting detail into the late John Rutsey's life and the early days of the band
Two things irritated me about that video right out of the box. "Rutsey would be born...." "Their first gig would happen...." Just friggin' say "was born" and "happened." Second, the guy couldn't even get his source right. I realize that "Banasiewicz" isn't a common name, but the guy who did the video couldn't even be bothered to spell it right in the subtitle at the 1:10 mark (spelling it "Basiniewicz") and even mispronouncing it ("buh-SIN-uh-witz"). For whatever reason, I always remember that, in his book, Banasiewicz wrote that his name rhymes with Manischewitz (the manufacturer of kosher wine and other kosher products).
As you said, this is largely a compilation of stuff that's been out there for years.
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More Rush beer from Henderson Brewing Company:Whoa, this beer will get you ripped! 14% alcohol 🥴
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Alex playing some Zeppelin the other night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x92C_2UhjT0
Alex playing some Zeppelin the other nightCool, thanks for the heads up! Was surprised he played it so faithful to the original (thought he'd make it his own). Sounded great though! The singers were good too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x92C_2UhjT0
Alex playing some Zeppelin the other night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x92C_2UhjT0
This was at The Massey Hall, which reopened recently, and has been hosting a few exclusive shows with Canadian artists. O considered attending this one just because Alex would be playing, but it was USD 150. Imagine paying that much to see him play for less than 8 minutes!
What song?
And part of Stairway to Heaven. Alex takes the Stairway solo and crushes it - check it out.What song?
Battle of Evermore
Huh; had you asked me to guess what song it was, neither of those would have been in the top 20. Not knowing who the band is/was, my first guess would have been Black Dog, followed by Rock And Roll, Whole Lotta Love, Communication Breakdown and maybe Bring It On Home.
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Alex playing some Zeppelin the other night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x92C_2UhjT0
For others not aware of the Neil thing, here's the link:
https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Drummer-Legends-Anthology-Stories/dp/170511279X/
Alex playing some Zeppelin the other night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x92C_2UhjT0
That was nice.
I guess the Envy of None album will come out sometime next year.
Still too soon for me.
Almost 2 years and to be honest, I haven’t been able to listen to Rush in all that time because I just get to choked up.
Maybe January 7 I will finally have a cathartic purge.
SO MUCH going on in my life right now. I may have a evisceral post/thread in my near future.
SO MUCH going on in my life right now. I may have a evisceral post/thread in my near future.
Our core music is so cathartic. It has always been there for us. Before high school/college. Before wives and children. On the ride to work from our first job to our ride in this morning.
Not to be That Guy, but it's too bad Neil isn't part of these.
I am the opposite. Revisiting Rush is like a joyous celebration, one that will go on until they toe tag me.I'm the same. I've run through their complete discography a few times since Neil's passing. It never gets old!
I am the opposite. Revisiting Rush is like a joyous celebration, one that will go on until they toe tag me.
Same here. I listened to Rush last year as much as I did the years prior. How much? A lot.I am the opposite. Revisiting Rush is like a joyous celebration, one that will go on until they toe tag me.
This is me as well.
I must be weird. I'm sad when people die (I'm afraid of death, myself, if I'm honest) and I'm certainly reflective when (some) of those people pass, but I don't - and never have - really adjusted so radically when someone died. Several musicians have passed that I had a deep affinity for their work - Randy Rhoads, Chris Squire, Greg Lake, John Wetton, Freddie Mercury, Neil Peart - but it's not like I can't listen to their music. That was, after all, probably my only connection to them. I never met any of those people and, honestly, other than John Wetton, I never felt like I might as well have, because I "knew them so well". I didn't. I only knew what little pieces they wanted me to see.
I will sometimes lament that we don't have new material from them (Squire, Wetton), or lament what might have been (Rhoads), but I celebrate their work, and accept their passing as one of the many millions of milestones the world has experienced since mankind came to being. I'm better for having experienced them, but not beholden to them.
Been addicted to this performance of The Big Money from A Show of Hands:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyeeO8sb-A8&ab_channel=rileysquarepants
Truly the peak of their playing and every member is an absolute joy to watch. I know there's a lot of people who aren't fans of the 80's material, but I think those songs really brought out the best in everyone's playing and performance.
Been addicted to this performance of The Big Money from A Show of Hands:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyeeO8sb-A8&ab_channel=rileysquarepants
Truly the peak of their playing and every member is an absolute joy to watch. I know there's a lot of people who aren't fans of the 80's material, but I think those songs really brought out the best in everyone's playing and performance.
Been addicted to this performance of The Big Money from A Show of Hands:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyeeO8sb-A8&ab_channel=rileysquarepants
Truly the peak of their playing and every member is an absolute joy to watch. I know there's a lot of people who aren't fans of the 80's material, but I think those songs really brought out the best in everyone's playing and performance.
Those people are communists. :P :biggrin:
Only when driving around in your red barchetta.
Been addicted to this performance of The Big Money from A Show of Hands:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyeeO8sb-A8&ab_channel=rileysquarepants
Truly the peak of their playing and every member is an absolute joy to watch. I know there's a lot of people who aren't fans of the 80's material, but I think those songs really brought out the best in everyone's playing and performance.
Neil's death hit me kinda hard because I had lost my Dad a few weeks prior. He and my Dad were the same age, and I think had even lived almost the exact same amount of days, and both had battled cancer for about the same amount of time as well. I know it's pretty much entirely coincidental, but man, it had a huge impact on me.
Been addicted to this performance of The Big Money from A Show of Hands:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyeeO8sb-A8&ab_channel=rileysquarepants
Truly the peak of their playing and every member is an absolute joy to watch. I know there's a lot of people who aren't fans of the 80's material, but I think those songs really brought out the best in everyone's playing and performance.
Those people are communists. :P :biggrin:
80s Rush is the best Rush (collectively). :tup :tup
Been addicted to this performance of The Big Money from A Show of Hands:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyeeO8sb-A8&ab_channel=rileysquarepants
Truly the peak of their playing and every member is an absolute joy to watch. I know there's a lot of people who aren't fans of the 80's material, but I think those songs really brought out the best in everyone's playing and performance.
Yeah, from 1980-1981.
Rush produced some incredible music in the '80s....
Neil's death hit me kinda hard because I had lost my Dad a few weeks prior. He and my Dad were the same age, and I think had even lived almost the exact same amount of days, and both had battled cancer for about the same amount of time as well. I know it's pretty much entirely coincidental, but man, it had a huge impact on me.
See, I think that's different; there IS a connection there. Someone else here (it's his story to tell) has a relationship with an artist tied to his father as well, and that's moving.
EDIT: Not to suggest that others', like Jammin's, aren't a connection. I'm just making a general comment about death as opposed to critiquing other people's life experiences, which I patently cannot do.
Been addicted to this performance of The Big Money from A Show of Hands:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyeeO8sb-A8&ab_channel=rileysquarepants
Truly the peak of their playing and every member is an absolute joy to watch. I know there's a lot of people who aren't fans of the 80's material, but I think those songs really brought out the best in everyone's playing and performance.
Rush produced some incredible music in the '80s....
Yeah, from 1980-1981.
Yep, probably the coolest guys you could meet in the music world. No egos, just fun normal.people. The guys in DT are the same way.Another reason why they're my all-time favorite band! (Rush that is, DT are my 2nd all-time favorite band).
https://youtu.be/H2pbdRzeQSc
New Pinball machines video!
-Marc.
The "Pro Edition" is $6,899. "Premium Edition" is $8,999. "Limited Edition" is $11,099. https://sternpinball.com/game/rush/
All three cost more than the first new car I bought.
The "Pro Edition" is $6,899. "Premium Edition" is $8,999. "Limited Edition" is $11,099. https://sternpinball.com/game/rush/
All three cost more than the first new car I bought.
Gene Simmons approved.
https://youtu.be/MLpcEuR4YNUThat was cool, thanks for posting. Crazy to think that Clockwork Angels will be 10 years old in June - damn I'm getting old!
From the Drumeo YouTube channel, Brandon Towes plays through bits of all 175 Rush songs in order as a tribute to Neil Peart!
-Marc.
https://youtu.be/MLpcEuR4YNUJust finished watching the whole thing - absolutely amazing! Very impressive set up for his drums to make sure he covered all eras. Bit of a bummer that Losing It's audio was removed for copyright - what the heck was that all about? Can't imagine that Ben Mink would've been upset to force it to be pulled, and I gotta think Geddy and Alex were duly impressed and pleased to see their friend honored in such a way or else the video would've been pulled. Real strange. Only other thing is I wish there wasn't the pause between when he switched sides of the kit and back again - I wish there was a way to keep the music going, just like Neil had something playing when he did it during his drum solo. Nonetheless, one of the finest tributes to the Professor, Rush in general and John Rutsey.
From the Drumeo YouTube channel, Brandon Towes plays through bits of all 175 Rush songs in order as a tribute to Neil Peart!
I'm stuck at work right now, having to keep myself composed, but I am breaking on the inside. Neil was my inspiration for drumming, and for living for many years of my high school and college life. I can hardly believe it...
Rest in peace, Professor. Truly one I will miss...
-Marc.
Following on from the 2112, AFTK, HEMI, and PEW 40th anniversary box sets, were there ever any plans for a Moving Pictures 40th Anniversary box set? Seems kind of odd that they would have skipped such a monumental album unless it seems like the previous four box sets were just not selling well enough to warrant a fifth one in a row.
Now I wonder if we'll ever get a Signals 40th Anniversary box set because I've been hoping for that one if it means they might be able to dig out a complete Signals Tour show to add to the box set since there are no full soundboard bootlegs from that tour in circulation (just some fairly good audience boots). I'm sure there's one or two in a "vault" somewhere by the band.
Do you think we're done seeing 40th Anniversary box sets?
-Marc.
Following on from the 2112, AFTK, HEMI, and PEW 40th anniversary box sets, were there ever any plans for a Moving Pictures 40th Anniversary box set? Seems kind of odd that they would have skipped such a monumental album unless it seems like the previous four box sets were just not selling well enough to warrant a fifth one in a row.
Now I wonder if we'll ever get a Signals 40th Anniversary box set because I've been hoping for that one if it means they might be able to dig out a complete Signals Tour show to add to the box set since there are no full soundboard bootlegs from that tour in circulation (just some fairly good audience boots). I'm sure there's one or two in a "vault" somewhere by the band.
Do you think we're done seeing 40th Anniversary box sets?
-Marc.
There were several sources reporting that the band didn't feel they could do much material beyond what was included in the 30th Anniversary set. But that just doesn't fly with me because you would think there is at least a complete (professional audio) concert in the vaults somewhere. I have to feel more like they were just grieving too much to oversee such a project. But IDK. Life is weird.
This last couple of years just seem like both Alex and Geddy are pulling away from the machine. And that includes what "the machine" churns out. I'm sure they will revisit stuff when they're ready, but I just don't think they are.
So...I read the following in a post on Reddit (in a DT-related sub):
"[W]hat was the best [DT] tour in your opinion? And why? For example, Rush's fan base universally accepts the Test for Echo tour as the best. . . ."
This made me nearly do a spit take and laugh out loud.
I'm not sure there's anything (much less that the T4E tour was the best) that is "universally" accepted by Rush's fan base.
Thoughts?
So...I read the following in a post on Reddit (in a DT-related sub):I tell you what, of all the live albums that Rush has put out, Different Stages is my absolute favorite and is a desert island album. The T4E tour was the first time I saw Rush live as well.
"[W]hat was the best [DT] tour in your opinion? And why? For example, Rush's fan base universally accepts the Test for Echo tour as the best. . . ."
This made me nearly do a spit take and laugh out loud.
I'm not sure there's anything (much less that the T4E tour was the best) that is "universally" accepted by Rush's fan base.
Thoughts?
So...I read the following in a post on Reddit (in a DT-related sub):I tell you what, of all the live albums that Rush has put out, Different Stages is my absolute favorite and is a desert island album. The T4E tour was the first time I saw Rush live as well.
"[W]hat was the best [DT] tour in your opinion? And why? For example, Rush's fan base universally accepts the Test for Echo tour as the best. . . ."
This made me nearly do a spit take and laugh out loud.
I'm not sure there's anything (much less that the T4E tour was the best) that is "universally" accepted by Rush's fan base.
Thoughts?
I honestly cannot pick a favorite tour of theirs, as each one has something unique to offer, regardless of length or song choices.I agree with this. Beginning with the T4E tour moving forward, they did a great job of mixing up the setlist and bringing back a good number of the more obscure tracks that only the diehards would recognize, aside from the R30 tour which felt like quite a bit of a rehash of the VT tour setlist. This in comparison to all the previous tours where there seemed to be a lot more overlap between the older songs that were featured on previous tours, a good helping of the latest album they were promoting and only a couple of more obscure tracks.
Timmy, you never saw them after Neil's tragedies? :omg:The T4E tour was the first time I saw Rush live as well.It was actually the last time I saw Rush.
Timmy, you never saw them after Neil's tragedies? :omg:The T4E tour was the first time I saw Rush live as well.It was actually the last time I saw Rush.
Providence was the 2nd night of the tour. We were about 5 rows right in front of Geddy. He just looked pissed off all night. Early tour kinks I guess. I was actually quite disappointed.
My Rush fandom was rekindled when I saw them on the HYF tour. Way more energetic and fun.
The sheer amount of stuff those three could pull off on stage was nothing short of mind blowing. Every concert I saw I was always impressed. Watching Geddy play bass, keys, triggers, and sing was always a joy and he made it seem so easy, I know it definitely isn't.Providence was the 2nd night of the tour. We were about 5 rows right in front of Geddy. He just looked pissed off all night. Early tour kinks I guess. I was actually quite disappointed.
My Rush fandom was rekindled when I saw them on the HYF tour. Way more energetic and fun.
I think I remember reading that it took them some time on that tour to get used to all of the new stuff they had to do on stage (that was the tour where they were doing more on-stage triggering and whatnot, what with the album being by far the most keys-heavy one to date).
Yeah, pretty much every set list once they started doing evening with shows in 1997 was, at the very worst, very good. I would say the Test for Echo and Time Machine tours had the least best ones, but still a lot of greatness in both. For me, from an enjoyment standpoint, it is hard to top the Vapor Trails tour as it was the comeback tour and just an amazing set list, but the Clockwork Angels tour came pretty damn close. All of those Power Windows songs!!! :tup :tup
Universally is an EXTREMELY strong word…
I can't think of another band who's setlists got better as they got older. So many bands seem to go on autopilot in their later years and rely on a core group of songs they never deviate from.
I've perused their tour history extensively online (and even got the newest book dedicated to it) and their sets from 1974-1994 were good, but way too rigid and predictable imo. I can't imagine the amount of great songs we would've gotten if they'd rotated material, or done Evening Withs on some 80's tours. Time Machine, Clockwork Angels, and R40 were all filled with both popular songs and rarities which is what I wish every band would do instead of worrying about the crowd's reaction.
LFR did a reaction to The Trees this morning. I've watched a few of his videos and they're kind of funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-PVfycaxQ0
"This song is about taxes!" :lol
There's people in the fan base like you who love Power Windows and people like me and Tim. There are people in the fan base who don't love Hemispheres. If there's any fan base where nothing is "universally agreed," it's the Rush fan base.
There's people in the fan base like you who love Power Windows and people like me and Tim. There are people in the fan base who don't love Hemispheres. If there's any fan base where nothing is "universally agreed," it's the Rush fan base.
There was a thread a few months back about if you had a time machine what tours/shows would you travel too.
One of my choices was Rush's Hemispheres tour.
Universally is an EXTREMELY strong word…
For me, this is what it comes down to.
There's people in the fan base like you who love Power Windows and people like me and Tim. There are people in the fan base who don't love Hemispheres. If there's any fan base where nothing is "universally agreed," it's the Rush fan base.
Maybe it's me, but when people say "universally" about Rush, it's a way of justifying their own position/opinion. I know for me, I run counter to about 95% of the fanbase:
- I think Permanent Waves is the worst album from 2112 to Signals;
- I think P/G is a bottom two album;
- I think "The Garden" is massively overrated by many Rush fans;
- I think Hold Your Fire is probably their best collection of SONGS (and the one album I would LOVE to hear done acoustically);
- I think for all his vocal troubles, Geddy is underrated as a singer;
- I think Snakes And Arrows is the high point of the last third of their recorded output (from RtB on);
There's people in the fan base like you who love Power Windows and people like me and Tim. There are people in the fan base who don't love Hemispheres. If there's any fan base where nothing is "universally agreed," it's the Rush fan base.
There was a thread a few months back about if you had a time machine what tours/shows would you travel too.
One of my choices was Rush's Hemispheres tour.
Maybe it's me, but when people say "universally" about Rush, it's a way of justifying their own position/opinion. I know for me, I run counter to about 95% of the fanbase:
- I think Permanent Waves is the worst album from 2112 to Signals;
- I think P/G is a bottom two album;
- I think "The Garden" is massively overrated by many Rush fans;
- I think Hold Your Fire is probably their best collection of SONGS (and the one album I would LOVE to hear done acoustically);
- I think for all his vocal troubles, Geddy is underrated as a singer;
- I think Snakes And Arrows is the high point of the last third of their recorded output (from RtB on);
My first show was the Power Windows tour, and my last was Test For Echo (not for lack of desire to see them; it didn't work out logistically for the most part). T4E may have been the best of those, but the PW and Presto tours were pretty damn strong themselves.
- Cygnus X-1 is the weakest Rush epic;
- Power Windows is Rush’s finest moment with everything firing on all cylinders.
- Cygnus X-1 is the weakest Rush epic;
Which part? Or are you grouping both Books together?
- Cygnus X-1 is the weakest Rush epic;
Which part? Or are you grouping both Books together?
The one on A Farewell to Kings.
While I know they are technically Book I and Book II of Cygnus X-1, every Rush fan I have ever known has referred to the songs as Cygnus X-1 (the song from AFTK) and Hemispheres (the song from Hemispheres).
- Cygnus X-1 is the weakest Rush epic;
Which part? Or are you grouping both Books together?
Why are we still calling Cygnus X-1 just "The Voyage"? Rush themselves always listed it as Cygnus X-1 on the back covers of both the original studio album and the live albums where it was featured.Agreed. I think it's similar to how we always refer to Metropolis part 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper just as "Metropolis" and Metropolis part 2: Scenes From a Memory just as "Scenes From a Memory".
Why are we still calling Cygnus X-1 just "The Voyage"? Rush themselves always listed it as Cygnus X-1 on the back covers of both the original studio album and the live albums where it was featured.Thank you!
While I know they are technically Book I and Book II of Cygnus X-1, every Rush fan I have ever known has referred to the songs as Cygnus X-1 (the song from AFTK) and Hemispheres (the song from Hemispheres).
I didn't see anyone post or comment on the new track from Alex Lifeson's project, Envy of None: https://youtu.be/vV-IZRh22mo
Honestly, not my cup of tea AT ALL, and something I would never listen to the end if Lifeson wasn't in it. Thoughts? Comments?
I didn't see anyone post or comment on the new track from Alex Lifeson's project, Envy of None: https://youtu.be/vV-IZRh22mo
Honestly, not my cup of tea AT ALL, and something I would never listen to the end if Lifeson wasn't in it. Thoughts? Comments?
There’s been quite a bit of discussion about it in a dedicated thread just below this one on the front page!
https://youtu.be/tZHAFiegO74I watched that. I have a hard time believing that she has never heard that song before. I mean has she been living under a rock all her life?? The Spirit of Radio is pretty well known around the world. :lol
Just watched the Charismatic Voice do her first ever reaction/analysis to Rush with "The Spirit Of Radio". Some very interesting comments for her first time with the band! Leave it to her to make a 23-minute video out of a 5-minute song. :lol
-Marc.
She's been an opera singer her whole life. She spent most of her time traveling the world doing opera. She's also one of the most genuine people I've seen on Youtube. So I believe her when she says she hadn't heard the song before. Before doing the reaction videos she has been doing she never really listened to rock or metal music.https://youtu.be/tZHAFiegO74I watched that. I have a hard time believing that she has never heard that song before. I mean has she been living under a rock all her life?? The Spirit of Radio is pretty well known around the world. :lol
Just watched the Charismatic Voice do her first ever reaction/analysis to Rush with "The Spirit Of Radio". Some very interesting comments for her first time with the band! Leave it to her to make a 23-minute video out of a 5-minute song. :lol
-Marc.
I initially didn’t watch this when it started making the rounds, but then I saw Alex’s tweet and had to check it out. The pure, unmitigated joy on her face while she is playing is absolutely priceless.
11 year-old drummer Nandi Bushell plays Tom Sawyer:
https://twitter.com/nandi_bushell/status/1490326645328261122?s=21
And Alex’s response:
https://twitter.com/rushtheband/status/1490742442726989825?s=21
Oh @Nandi_Bushell , you brought a tear to my eye with this tribute! Tom Sawyer is a difficult song to play drums to and you made it so much fun. Neil would have loved your performance and wonderful smile, as both Geddy and I do! - Alex
I initially didn’t watch this when it started making the rounds, but then I saw Alex’s tweet and had to check it out. The pure, unmitigated joy on her face while she is playing is absolutely priceless.
11 year-old drummer Nandi Bushell plays Tom Sawyer:
https://twitter.com/nandi_bushell/status/1490326645328261122?s=21
And Alex’s response:
https://twitter.com/rushtheband/status/1490742442726989825?s=21
Oh @Nandi_Bushell , you brought a tear to my eye with this tribute! Tom Sawyer is a difficult song to play drums to and you made it so much fun. Neil would have loved your performance and wonderful smile, as both Geddy and I do! - Alex
Cool that he acknowledged her, but I guess I'm the curmudgeon that is so over the "__-year old plays ___ song!" I keep waiting for "Fetus Plays Fill from Tom Sawyer on Mother's Uterus!"
Exactly. It's not about her playing, but rather her good positive spirit and smile that comes through as she's playing. That's the appeal.Cool that he acknowledged her, but I guess I'm the curmudgeon that is so over the "__-year old plays ___ song!" I keep waiting for "Fetus Plays Fill from Tom Sawyer on Mother's Uterus!"
That’s why I ignored it at first, but if you haven’t watched it, this one is really worth your time (at least the shorter clip on Twitter). It’s more about her personality coming through in the performance than just a kid playing a complicated song.
Exactly. It's not about her playing, but rather her good positive spirit and smile that comes through as she's playing. That's the appeal.Cool that he acknowledged her, but I guess I'm the curmudgeon that is so over the "__-year old plays ___ song!" I keep waiting for "Fetus Plays Fill from Tom Sawyer on Mother's Uterus!"
That’s why I ignored it at first, but if you haven’t watched it, this one is really worth your time (at least the shorter clip on Twitter). It’s more about her personality coming through in the performance than just a kid playing a complicated song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaPPVioejBw
Totally worth watching it, and it got a nice comment from Lerxst.
Following on from the 2112, AFTK, HEMI, and PEW 40th anniversary box sets, were there ever any plans for a Moving Pictures 40th Anniversary box set? Seems kind of odd that they would have skipped such a monumental album unless it seems like the previous four box sets were just not selling well enough to warrant a fifth one in a row.
Now I wonder if we'll ever get a Signals 40th Anniversary box set because I've been hoping for that one if it means they might be able to dig out a complete Signals Tour show to add to the box set since there are no full soundboard bootlegs from that tour in circulation (just some fairly good audience boots). I'm sure there's one or two in a "vault" somewhere by the band.
Do you think we're done seeing 40th Anniversary box sets?
-Marc.
Canadian trio Rush have announced a lavish 40th anniversary reissue for the band's eighth studio album, 1981's Moving Pictures, Moving Pictures-40th Anniversary which will be released through UMC on April 15. You can watch an unboxing video for the new reissue below.
Moving Pictures remains a pivotal album in the band's career, as they moved from the longer form music of their 70s releases through to a more streamlined yet still progressive sound for the 80s. In Tom Sawyer, Limelight and Vital Signs the band proved they could write intelligent yet catchy music that could be played on the radio, while Red Barchetta, the instrumental YYZ and Camera Eye, showed their prog inclinations alive and well.
The new super deluxe box set will feature three CDs, one Blu-ray Audio disc, and five high-quality 180-gram black vinyl LPs. The set encompasses the Abbey Road Mastering Studios 2015 remastered edition of the album for the first time on CD, along with two discs of previously unreleased and newly restored bonus live content newly mixed from the original analog live multi-tracks by Rush’s original producer, Terry Brown, featuring the band’s complete, unreleased Toronto concert from Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto, Ontario, on March 25, 1981.
A fourth bonus disc is a Blu-ray Audio disc with the core album newly mixed from the original multi-tracks in Dolby Atmos (a Rush catalog first!), Dolby TrueHD 5.1, and DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 surround sound as done by noted producer/engineer Richard Chycki, alongside the previously available PCM Stereo mix. Also included on the Blu-ray are four bonus videos: a brand-new video for YYZ plus three remastered vintage promo videos for Tom Sawyer, Limelight, and Vital Signs.
The Super Deluxe Edition of Moving Pictures-40th Anniversary will also feature a 44-page hardcover book with unreleased photos and new artwork by original album designer Hugh Syme, along with new illustrations for each song; extensive liner notes from famous fans such as Kim Thayil (Soundgarden), Les Claypool (Primus), Taylor Hawkins (Foo Fighters) andBill Kelliher (Mastodon); a Red Barchetta model car mounted on a black perch with an MP40 nameplate; two Neil Peart signature MP40 branded drumsticks; two metal-embossed guitar picks, one each with Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson’s respective signatures engraved on them; a replica of the Moving Pictures 1981 official tour program; an MP40 logo enamel pin; a 3D lenticular 'Moving Pictures in motion' lithograph; an 18x24-inch Toronto 1981 concert poster; a replica concert ticket from the 1981 Maple Leaf Gardens show; a 12x36-inch Rush Through The Years 1973-1981 poster; a YYZ luggage tag; and a All Access World Tour ’81 insert. All contents are housed in a premium lift-top box, which features movingly reimagined cover artwork by Hugh Syme.
Moving Pictures-40th Anniversary will also be available as a thee-CD deluxe edition, a five-LP Deluxe Edition, all of it housed in a slipcase including a single-pocket jacket for the remastered original Moving Pictures on LP 1, and two gatefold jackets for LPs 2-5 that comprise all 19 tracks from the complete, unreleased Live In YYZ 1981 concert, a one-LP eCommerce exclusive edition, featuring the first-ever half-speed DMM vinyl pressing. It comes newly wrapped in a limited-edition premium tip-on style gatefold jacket with printed sleeve, and each pressing comes with one of six randomly inserted Neil Peart hand-drawn lyrics sheets.
There will also be a Deluxe Digital Edition, features the original album and all 19 bonus live performances from Toronto, and is the digital equivalent to the three-CD Deluxe Edition, and a Dolby Atmos Digital Edition, is the digital equivalent of Richard Chycki’s masterful Atmos mix of all seven tracks from the original album.
So that's the show from Exit...Stage Left?
Also, what was the live b-side that came out that seems to have disappeared; will that (was that) ever released on CD?
Obviously a very big thumbs up for them doing this. But hopefully there will be different versions of the box. Five 180g LPs? That's gonna drive the price even farther up. I'd rather have a box with just the discs.
Obviously a very big thumbs up for them doing this. But hopefully there will be different versions of the box. Five 180g LPs? That's gonna drive the price even farther up. I'd rather have a box with just the discs.
So that's the show from Exit...Stage Left?
Also, what was the live b-side that came out that seems to have disappeared; will that (was that) ever released on CD?
Exit... Stage Left's MP songs (sides 1, 3 and 4 of the original vinyl) were sourced from March 27, 1981 at The Forum, Montreal. So we are getting the show from 2 nights before in Toronto.
I believe the love B-Side was "Vital Signs" and was originally released as the B-Side to their "New World Man" single in 82.
-Marc.
So that's the show from Exit...Stage Left?
Also, what was the live b-side that came out that seems to have disappeared; will that (was that) ever released on CD?
Exit... Stage Left's MP songs (sides 1, 3 and 4 of the original vinyl) were sourced from March 27, 1981 at The Forum, Montreal. So we are getting the show from 2 nights before in Toronto.
I believe the love B-Side was "Vital Signs" and was originally released as the B-Side to their "New World Man" single in 82.
-Marc.
Has anything from that Toronto show been released before? If not, that's sort of a cool bonus.
It figures. If they really truly were doing this "for the fans" there would be a version with everything but the vinyl, because they know damned well that that would be the most popular version. Instead, the only way to get the Blu-ray is to spend $300 for the super-deluxe version, so it's clearly "for the money". The very definition of a cash grab. Fuck that. I've got my 5.1 Blu-ray from a few years back, and I'll have to live without the concert vid.
It figures. If they really truly were doing this "for the fans" there would be a version with everything but the vinyl, because they know damned well that that would be the most popular version. Instead, the only way to get the Blu-ray is to spend $300 for the super-deluxe version, so it's clearly "for the money". The very definition of a cash grab. Fuck that. I've got my 5.1 Blu-ray from a few years back, and I'll have to live without the concert vid.
Wow, I guess I just figured the Blu-ray was the concert vid; I didn't read it that closely. We already have the 5.1 HD mix from a few years ago, so I don't even know what the draw is here. Yeah yeah, it's an "all new" mix. I have to admit, the 5.1 I have is probably one of the less impressive surround mixes, but I'm not gonna shell out $300 for a new 5.1 mix of an album I usually listen to in stereo anyway.
I love Rush, but I'm not nearly fanatic enough to want all the toys and posters.
True. They're marketing it to middle-aged boys/men with way too much disposable income.
And way too little space to display trinkets.
Thanks for breaking this out like this. Option 3 for me, as I really just want the audio of the unreleased live show.It figures. If they really truly were doing this "for the fans" there would be a version with everything but the vinyl, because they know damned well that that would be the most popular version. Instead, the only way to get the Blu-ray is to spend $300 for the super-deluxe version, so it's clearly "for the money". The very definition of a cash grab. Fuck that. I've got my 5.1 Blu-ray from a few years back, and I'll have to live without the concert vid.
Let's inventory the options:
1. A version that's just vinyl (nothing extra) and which is already sold out. Who cares?
2. A version that is just vinyl with a gatefold jacket and "1 of 6 Neil Peart hand drawn lyric sheets (randomly inserted, so customer will not know which one [he or she] will receive)" for $40.
3. A 3-CD version with the original album and the complete live show and a big booklet for $28.
4. A 5-LP version with the original album and the complete live show with presumably the same booklet as the 3-CD version but larger for...$98?! For vinyl? Bwahaha!!
5. The "super deluxe version," which combines the 3-CD and 5-LP versions (because folks need both?) and includes:
- A hardcover book version of the booklet.
- A toy car.
- A couple of drumsticks.
- A couple of guitar picks.
- A replica program.
- A pin.
- "30 lenticular 'Moving Pictures' motion litho" (I have no idea what that means).
- A concert poster.
- A replica ticket.
- Another poster.
- A YYZ luggage tag.
- A replica backstage pass (I think?).
- All six replica lyrics sheets.
- A snazzy box.
- A blue ray with the three existing videos from MP plus a new one for YYZ and whatever a "Dolby Atmos & new 5.1 surround album mix" is.
- A $290 price tag.
The replica lyric sheets would be cool (and they can be purchased separately for $50!) and maybe a couple of the trinkets would be nice, but there's really nothing there that interests me beyond the 3-CD set. I've been saying it as long as these have been getting released, but I can't comprehend why they don't make a "super deluxe version" that doesn't include vinyl. I MIGHT pull the trigger on something like that (depending on the price), and I think a lot of others would spend more than the $28 for the CD-only version, but the market for that $290 version is going to be INCREDIBLY limited. If they really want to do a cash grab, their strategy of not including a product with a mid-tier price point is hard to understand.
As far as video, I'm still hoping there will be a 40th-anniversary set for ESL that includes video. Of course, I'm sure they'll make me buy vinyl to get it, but I might do it for that.
Let's inventory the options:
1. A version that's just vinyl (nothing extra) and which is already sold out. Who cares?
2. A version that is just vinyl with a gatefold jacket and "1 of 6 Neil Peart hand drawn lyric sheets (randomly inserted, so customer will not know which one [he or she] will receive)" for $40.
3. A 3-CD version with the original album and the complete live show and a big booklet for $28.
4. A 5-LP version with the original album and the complete live show with presumably the same booklet as the 3-CD version but larger for...$98?! For vinyl? Bwahaha!!
5. The "super deluxe version," which combines the 3-CD and 5-LP versions (because folks need both?) and includes:
- A hardcover book version of the booklet.
- A toy car.
- A couple of drumsticks.
- A couple of guitar picks.
- A replica program.
- A pin.
- "30 lenticular 'Moving Pictures' motion litho" (I have no idea what that means).
- A concert poster.
- A replica ticket.
- Another poster.
- A YYZ luggage tag.
- A replica backstage pass (I think?).
- All six replica lyrics sheets.
- A snazzy box.
- A blue ray with the three existing videos from MP plus a new one for YYZ and whatever a "Dolby Atmos & new 5.1 surround album mix" is.
- A $290 price tag.
True. They're marketing it to middle-aged boys/men with way too much disposable income.And way too little space to display trinkets.
I feel attacked, but you know what, I'm fine with that. The other box set I own (AFTK) I received as a Christmas gift, so I'm just sort of spoiling myself on this one anyway. If I can, I'll probably try and get some frames/shadowboxes to display some of the included things.
I'm also just a sucker for really well put-together deluxe box sets, but only whe I can afford them, and yeah, I've already filed my taxes and am getting a sizable refund this month, so I'm splurging on this. Rush has been my favorite band for nearly two decades now, so why not go all in on something like this, especially for an album like Moving Pictures. I feel no shame, but you're both definitely right about the target audience for the super deluxe box set, and all similar box sets from any band/artist.
-Marc.
But realistically, anyone can see that this is the very definition of a cash grab.
Yeah but you gotta remember that it's from a better vanished time.. If they included the gleaming alloy aircar, I'd probably splurge..But realistically, anyone can see that this is the very definition of a cash grab.
But I have zero use for drumsticks, guitar picks, a pin, and a toy car..even if it's a brilliant red barchetta.
Yeah but you gotta remember that it's from a better vanished time.. If they included the gleaming alloy aircar, I'd probably splurge..But realistically, anyone can see that this is the very definition of a cash grab.
But I have zero use for drumsticks, guitar picks, a pin, and a toy car..even if it's a brilliant red barchetta.
But realistically, anyone can see that this is the very definition of a cash grab.
Well of course, but that's all these legacy bands have at this point to make money.
The problem is not making it available in anything other than the most extensive package. That's the difference between selling stuff your fans want and fleecing them. They could release the Blu-ray separately or in one of the other packages, and still make money. But no, they specifically create packages to try to force upsales.
Let's inventory the options:
1. A version that's just vinyl (nothing extra) and which is already sold out. Who cares?
2. A version that is just vinyl with a gatefold jacket and "1 of 6 Neil Peart hand drawn lyric sheets (randomly inserted, so customer will not know which one [he or she] will receive)" for $40.
3. A 3-CD version with the original album and the complete live show and a big booklet for $28.
4. A 5-LP version with the original album and the complete live show with presumably the same booklet as the 3-CD version but larger for...$98?! For vinyl? Bwahaha!!
5. The "super deluxe version," which combines the 3-CD and 5-LP versions (because folks need both?) and includes:
- A hardcover book version of the booklet.
- A toy car.
- A couple of drumsticks.
- A couple of guitar picks.
- A replica program.
- A pin.
- "30 lenticular 'Moving Pictures' motion litho" (I have no idea what that means).
- A concert poster.
- A replica ticket.
- Another poster.
- A YYZ luggage tag.
- A replica backstage pass (I think?).
- All six replica lyrics sheets.
- A snazzy box.
- A blue ray with the three existing videos from MP plus a new one for YYZ and whatever a "Dolby Atmos & new 5.1 surround album mix" is.
- A $290 price tag.
Holy Shit! A fucking TOY CAR???
Whoot.. honey, get me the check book!
But it still seems ill-advised to not offer an option that clearly will sell units.
Tim will be all over that toy car if it has power windows.
Tim will be all over that toy car if it has power windows.
I'm sure they were thinking about the Big Money for this release. 🤑🤑Tim will be all over that toy car if it has power windows.
I have bought all of the super cash grab versions except for Permanent Waves.
Definitely not getting the cash grab version of MP either. Will do a CD/vinyl combo as well.
I'm sure they were thinking about the Big Money for this release. 🤑🤑Tim will be all over that toy car if it has power windows.
I have bought all of the super cash grab versions except for Permanent Waves.
Definitely not getting the cash grab version of MP either. Will do a CD/vinyl combo as well.
Hey, people have Freewill, and some make it their Mission in life to buy all things Rush. That's How It Is.I'm sure they were thinking about the Big Money for this release. 🤑🤑Tim will be all over that toy car if it has power windows.
I have bought all of the super cash grab versions except for Permanent Waves.
Definitely not getting the cash grab version of MP either. Will do a CD/vinyl combo as well.
Gotta pay the Big Money for Grand Designs such as this. It goes with the Territories.
Tim will be all over that toy car if it has power windows.
It's awful, isn't it? :lol
Why move around to other threads in this forum when Eden is so near.
Why move around to other threads in this forum when Eden is so near.
Better the pride that resides in a citizen of the General Music Chat.
Why move around to other threads in this forum when Eden is so near.
Better the pride that resides in a citizen of the General Music Chat.
I liked this reference before it was cool. :millahhhh
Why move around to other threads in this forum when Eden is so near.
Better the pride that resides in a citizen of the General Music Chat.
I liked this reference before it was cool. :millahhhh
It’s a great line.
Yeah, it is hard to pick out a single Rush song as having my favorite lyrics, but Territories is in the conversation. Even though 2112 is my favorite song ever and I do like those lyrics a lot, I think Peart's lyrics in the 80s were a lot better than they were in the 70s. He wrote some gems in the 70s, but some of those sci-fi and fantasy ones can be a bit hokey.
Yeah, it is hard to pick out a single Rush song as having my favorite lyrics, but Territories is in the conversation. Even though 2112 is my favorite song ever and I do like those lyrics a lot, I think Peart's lyrics in the 80s were a lot better than they were in the 70s. He wrote some gems in the 70s, but some of those sci-fi and fantasy ones can be a bit hokey.
Emotion Detector for the win!!!!!
All of Power Windows has great lyrics. Marathon, Manhattan Project, Middletown Dreams are good too.
All of Power Windows has great lyrics. Marathon, Manhattan Project, Middletown Dreams are good too.
Too bad the music isn't particularly good (although those are my three favorite songs on the album).
All of Power Windows has great lyrics. Marathon, Manhattan Project, Middletown Dreams are good too.
Too bad the music isn't particularly good (although those are my three favorite songs on the album).
I think the music on Power Windows is absolutely stellar, but I will say this: it's the Rush album that sound the most dated, purely because synths were VERY prominent at the time, and this album has those in-your-face synth sounds. But the versions of these songs that they played in subsequent tours - Big Money on the VT Tour, Marathon on the Time Machine, and many others on the Clockwork Angels Tour - are insanely heavy, with the guitars in the forefront. I love those versions!
Never been a fan of The Big Money.Me neither, altho I just love Alex's solo in that song.
All of Power Windows has great lyrics. Marathon, Manhattan Project, Middletown Dreams are good too.
Too bad the music isn't particularly good (although those are my three favorite songs on the album).
I think the music on Power Windows is absolutely stellar, but I will say this: it's the Rush album that sound the most dated, purely because synths were VERY prominent at the time, and this album has those in-your-face synth sounds. But the versions of these songs that they played in subsequent tours - Big Money on the VT Tour, Marathon on the Time Machine, and many others on the Clockwork Angels Tour - are insanely heavy, with the guitars in the forefront. I love those versions!
Power Windows is vibrant and uplifting in its style of music.
All of Power Windows has great lyrics. Marathon, Manhattan Project, Middletown Dreams are good too.
Too bad the music isn't particularly good (although those are my three favorite songs on the album).
I think the music on Power Windows is absolutely stellar, but I will say this: it's the Rush album that sound the most dated, purely because synths were VERY prominent at the time, and this album has those in-your-face synth sounds. But the versions of these songs that they played in subsequent tours - Big Money on the VT Tour, Marathon on the Time Machine, and many others on the Clockwork Angels Tour - are insanely heavy, with the guitars in the forefront. I love those versions!
Power Windows is definitely of its time, but it’s so well done that it doesn’t at all seem dated to me. HYF on the other hand does. Can’t really explain it, but I just think the songs and the production were just that much higher quality on PW.
I think the problem with HYF is the guitars are too bright. Even brighter sounding that on PoW. So they get buried in with the synths. And sometimes even sound like synths.All of Power Windows has great lyrics. Marathon, Manhattan Project, Middletown Dreams are good too.
Too bad the music isn't particularly good (although those are my three favorite songs on the album).
I think the music on Power Windows is absolutely stellar, but I will say this: it's the Rush album that sound the most dated, purely because synths were VERY prominent at the time, and this album has those in-your-face synth sounds. But the versions of these songs that they played in subsequent tours - Big Money on the VT Tour, Marathon on the Time Machine, and many others on the Clockwork Angels Tour - are insanely heavy, with the guitars in the forefront. I love those versions!
Power Windows is definitely of its time, but it’s so well done that it doesn’t at all seem dated to me. HYF on the other hand does. Can’t really explain it, but I just think the songs and the production were just that much higher quality on PW.
Completely agree on the PoW HYF comparison. There are a lot of synths in Power Windows, but the guitars are still prominent. Just very “bright” sounding. I think HYF is much more guilty of the “Great Wall of synthesizers” sound, and therefore sounds more dated than its predecessor.
Had A Show of Hands going this arvo in the car. I can't remember ever really listening to this live album to be brutally honest even though the CD has been there for years. It's fucking brilliant.
Had A Show of Hands going this arvo in the car. I can't remember ever really listening to this live album to be brutally honest even though the CD has been there for years. It's fucking brilliant.
It’s excellent for sure. Just played it last week at work.
I think the problem with HYF is the guitars are too bright. Even brighter sounding that on PoW. So they get buried in with the synths. And sometimes even sound like synths.All of Power Windows has great lyrics. Marathon, Manhattan Project, Middletown Dreams are good too.
Too bad the music isn't particularly good (although those are my three favorite songs on the album).
I think the music on Power Windows is absolutely stellar, but I will say this: it's the Rush album that sound the most dated, purely because synths were VERY prominent at the time, and this album has those in-your-face synth sounds. But the versions of these songs that they played in subsequent tours - Big Money on the VT Tour, Marathon on the Time Machine, and many others on the Clockwork Angels Tour - are insanely heavy, with the guitars in the forefront. I love those versions!
Power Windows is definitely of its time, but it’s so well done that it doesn’t at all seem dated to me. HYF on the other hand does. Can’t really explain it, but I just think the songs and the production were just that much higher quality on PW.
Completely agree on the PoW HYF comparison. There are a lot of synths in Power Windows, but the guitars are still prominent. Just very “bright” sounding. I think HYF is much more guilty of the “Great Wall of synthesizers” sound, and therefore sounds more dated than its predecessor.
I have PW on the car today. The lyrics for Middletown Dreams are simply incredible. What a song.
Anybody notice the insanity of the bassline during the guitar solo in Emotion Detector??
Anybody notice the insanity of the bassline during the guitar solo in Emotion Detector??
Actually underneath the solos of Grand Designs, Emotion Detector and Marathon, Neil and Geddy are running a completely different game, and they all sound incredible!
That's the way Rush did it in the 70s and 80s. AtWaS and ESL were the same way, altho I grant you AtWaS their first live album and they only had 4 studio albums at that point. But that was their MO. It wasn't until the 90s when 2CD sets became more common place that they finally started including a lot of songs from outside the 4 latest studio albums and included several songs that had previously appeared on other live albums.I love how pigeon holed it is around those specific few albums. Reminds me what Helloween did with High Live.Had A Show of Hands going this arvo in the car. I can't remember ever really listening to this live album to be brutally honest even though the CD has been there for years. It's fucking brilliant.It’s excellent for sure. Just played it last week at work.
I agree - one of my favorites from that album. Shame it's the only one that never was played live.Anybody notice the insanity of the bassline during the guitar solo in Emotion Detector??Yep. It’s an amazing song all around. The instrumental section rips.
Had A Show of Hands going this arvo in the car. I can't remember ever really listening to this live album to be brutally honest even though the CD has been there for years. It's fucking brilliant.
It’s excellent for sure. Just played it last week at work.
That's the way Rush did it in the 70s and 80s. AtWaS and ESL were the same way, altho I grant you AtWaS their first live album and they only had 4 studio albums at that point. But that was their MO. It wasn't until the 90s when 2CD sets became more common place that they finally started including a lot of songs from outside the 4 latest studio albums and included several songs that had previously appeared on other live albums.I love how pigeon holed it is around those specific few albums. Reminds me what Helloween did with High Live.Had A Show of Hands going this arvo in the car. I can't remember ever really listening to this live album to be brutally honest even though the CD has been there for years. It's fucking brilliant.It’s excellent for sure. Just played it last week at work.
Actually underneath the solos of Grand Designs, Emotion Detector and Marathon, Neil and Geddy are running a completely different game, and they all sound incredible!
Yep! The instrumental sections on Power Windows are amazing. Main reason why I consider it to be one of Rush’s most progressive albums of the 80s (maybe their last really progressive album until Clockwork Angels).
I've been listening to Rush covers of late. I love Kyros versions of Force Ten & Leave That Thing Alone and Allegaeon's version of Subdivisions.
Actually underneath the solos of Grand Designs, Emotion Detector and Marathon, Neil and Geddy are running a completely different game, and they all sound incredible!
Yep! The instrumental sections on Power Windows are amazing. Main reason why I consider it to be one of Rush’s most progressive albums of the 80s (maybe their last really progressive album until Clockwork Angels).
Going back to Middletown Dreams, that baseline near the end is just masterful.
Anybody notice the insanity of the bassline during the guitar solo in Emotion Detector??As a bass player, yes, for sure! PW is one of Geddy's best overall bass performances for an entire album IMO.
I've heard that. :lol
Fates Warning cover of Closer to the Heart is great as well.
I've heard that. :lol
Fates Warning cover of Closer to the Heart is great as well.
It's one of the only good songs on that mostly brutally awful Working Man - A Tribute to Rush album (Mission is the other). Whoever the guy was who "sang" Natural Science should be whipped repeatedly with a Red Vine and never allowed anywhere near a microphone. Dude absolutely ruined a top-5 Rush song.
I've heard that. :lol
Fates Warning cover of Closer to the Heart is great as well.
It's one of the only good songs on that mostly brutally awful Working Man - A Tribute to Rush album (Mission is the other). Whoever the guy was who "sang" Natural Science should be whipped repeatedly with a Red Vine and never allowed anywhere near a microphone. Dude absolutely ruined a top-5 Rush song.
I've heard that. :lol
Fates Warning cover of Closer to the Heart is great as well.
It's one of the only good songs on that mostly brutally awful Working Man - A Tribute to Rush album (Mission is the other). Whoever the guy was who "sang" Natural Science should be whipped repeatedly with a Red Vine and never allowed anywhere near a microphone. Dude absolutely ruined a top-5 Rush song.
I believe that was Devin Townsend? I haven't listened to that tribute in a while...
But I agree Fates Warning's cover of Closer to the Heart was lovely
It's one of the only good songs on that mostly brutally awful Working Man - A Tribute to Rush album (Mission is the other). Whoever the guy was who "sang" Natural Science should be whipped repeatedly with a Red Vine and never allowed anywhere near a microphone. Dude absolutely ruined a top-5 Rush song.
I believe that was Devin Townsend? I haven't listened to that tribute in a while...
Wait, though, he said "Top 5 Rush Song"; that can't be Natural science, can it? :) :) :)
(Song didn't make my top 50).
I believe Stads is another person who should be whipped repeatedly with a Red Vine. How could that song not at least make your top 50 if not your top 20!?!? What's wrong with you?! :-*I believe that was Devin Townsend? I haven't listened to that tribute in a while...Wait, though, he said "Top 5 Rush Song"; that can't be Natural science, can it? :) :) :)
(Song didn't make my top 50).
Wait, though, he said "Top 5 Rush Song"; that can't be Natural science, can it? :) :) :)
(Song didn't make my top 50).
Wow, really? I won't reveal where it sits for me but, um, saying top 50 would be an understatement to say the least ;D
Why not a big fan of Natural Science, if I may ask?
I believe Stads is another person who should be whipped repeatedly with a Red Vine. How could that song not at least make your top 50 if not your top 20!?!? What's wrong with you?! :-*
EDIT: Yeah, first real regret of this whole process. If I was to do it again, Natural Science wouldn't make the top 75 and a song I left off *barely* would take its place.
I think it's a matter of being surrounded by so much better. I'm not the hugest fan of Permanent Waves, in general. From AFTK through Signals, it's the weakest, IMO. I'd rather listen to The Camera Eye, or Xanadu, or Jacob's Ladder. It's just a bit disjointed for me; the melodies don't grab me, and the sound effects seem dated to me. Another in that same vein didn't even make the Top 75, and I'm going to take shit for that one too (though, funny enough, I'm listening to both right now and I want to switch them! :) ).
EDIT: Yeah, first real regret of this whole process. If I was to do it again, Natural Science wouldn't make the top 75 and a song I left off *barely* would take its place.
Fates Warning cover of Closer to the Heart is great as well.
I believe Stads is another person who should be whipped repeatedly with a Red Vine. How could that song not at least make your top 50 if not your top 20!?!? What's wrong with you?! :-*I believe that was Devin Townsend? I haven't listened to that tribute in a while...Wait, though, he said "Top 5 Rush Song"; that can't be Natural science, can it? :) :) :)
(Song didn't make my top 50).
I think it's a matter of being surrounded by so much better. I'm not the hugest fan of Permanent Waves, in general. From AFTK through Signals, it's the weakest, IMO. I'd rather listen to The Camera Eye, or Xanadu, or Jacob's Ladder. It's just a bit disjointed for me; the melodies don't grab me, and the sound effects seem dated to me. Another in that same vein didn't even make the Top 75, and I'm going to take shit for that one too (though, funny enough, I'm listening to both right now and I want to switch them! :) ).
EDIT: Yeah, first real regret of this whole process. If I was to do it again, Natural Science wouldn't make the top 75 and a song I left off *barely* would take its place.
I'm trying to figure out what that one could be...
I think it's a matter of being surrounded by so much better. I'm not the hugest fan of Permanent Waves, in general. From AFTK through Signals, it's the weakest, IMO. I'd rather listen to The Camera Eye, or Xanadu, or Jacob's Ladder. It's just a bit disjointed for me; the melodies don't grab me, and the sound effects seem dated to me. Another in that same vein didn't even make the Top 75, and I'm going to take shit for that one too (though, funny enough, I'm listening to both right now and I want to switch them! :) ).
EDIT: Yeah, first real regret of this whole process. If I was to do it again, Natural Science wouldn't make the top 75 and a song I left off *barely* would take its place.
I'm trying to figure out what that one could be...
Based on Kev's comments in the ranking thread, I'm guessing it might be Closer to the Heart, which also just missed my top 75.
It'll be interesting to see how all of these divergent opinions aggregate.
I think it's a matter of being surrounded by so much better. I'm not the hugest fan of Permanent Waves, in general. From AFTK through Signals, it's the weakest, IMO. I'd rather listen to The Camera Eye, or Xanadu, or Jacob's Ladder. It's just a bit disjointed for me; the melodies don't grab me, and the sound effects seem dated to me. Another in that same vein didn't even make the Top 75, and I'm going to take shit for that one too (though, funny enough, I'm listening to both right now and I want to switch them! :) ).
EDIT: Yeah, first real regret of this whole process. If I was to do it again, Natural Science wouldn't make the top 75 and a song I left off *barely* would take its place.
I'm trying to figure out what that one could be...
Based on Kev's comments in the ranking thread, I'm guessing it might be Closer to the Heart, which also just missed my top 75.
Closer to the Heart is my highest rated track of the 70s.
Not sure what other song Stadler is talking about, but his description of Natural Science is how I feel about Jacob’s Ladder.
I think I'm Going Bald?
I think it's a matter of being surrounded by so much better. I'm not the hugest fan of Permanent Waves, in general. From AFTK through Signals, it's the weakest, IMO. I'd rather listen to The Camera Eye, or Xanadu, or Jacob's Ladder. It's just a bit disjointed for me; the melodies don't grab me, and the sound effects seem dated to me. Another in that same vein didn't even make the Top 75, and I'm going to take shit for that one too (though, funny enough, I'm listening to both right now and I want to switch them! :) ).
EDIT: Yeah, first real regret of this whole process. If I was to do it again, Natural Science wouldn't make the top 75 and a song I left off *barely* would take its place.
I'm trying to figure out what that one could be...
Kip Winger - The Spirit of Radio :metal
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta68ws3CVSo
I'm trying to figure out what that one could be...
Closer to the Heart is my highest rated track of the 70s.
Not sure what other song Stadler is talking about, but his description of Natural Science is how I feel about Jacob’s Ladder.
Cygnus X-1
It'll be interesting to see how all of these divergent opinions aggregate.Given all the differing opinions on the various Rush albums, it's going to end up being a 75 way tie for first :lol
I think it's a matter of being surrounded by so much better. I'm not the hugest fan of Permanent Waves, in general. From AFTK through Signals, it's the weakest, IMO. I'd rather listen to The Camera Eye, or Xanadu, or Jacob's Ladder. It's just a bit disjointed for me; the melodies don't grab me, and the sound effects seem dated to me. Another in that same vein didn't even make the Top 75, and I'm going to take shit for that one too (though, funny enough, I'm listening to both right now and I want to switch them! :) ).
EDIT: Yeah, first real regret of this whole process. If I was to do it again, Natural Science wouldn't make the top 75 and a song I left off *barely* would take its place.
I'm trying to figure out what that one could be...
Based on Kev's comments in the ranking thread, I'm guessing it might be Closer to the Heart, which also just missed my top 75.
Closer to the Heart is my highest rated track of the 70s.
Not sure what other song Stadler is talking about, but his description of Natural Science is how I feel about Jacob’s Ladder.
Cygnus X-1
I believe Stads is another person who should be whipped repeatedly with a Red Vine. How could that song not at least make your top 50 if not your top 20!?!? What's wrong with you?! :-*I believe that was Devin Townsend? I haven't listened to that tribute in a while...Wait, though, he said "Top 5 Rush Song"; that can't be Natural science, can it? :) :) :)
(Song didn't make my top 50).
LOL! Which one? TSCO or AIA or another one? Natural Science is Rush's Learning to Live! Big difference! :biggrin:Not sure you are the person to go there. ;) Not after the big dog you left off of your DT list. :PI believe Stads is another person who should be whipped repeatedly with a Red Vine. How could that song not at least make your top 50 if not your top 20!?!? What's wrong with you?! :-*I believe that was Devin Townsend? I haven't listened to that tribute in a while...Wait, though, he said "Top 5 Rush Song"; that can't be Natural science, can it? :) :) :)
(Song didn't make my top 50).
New official animated video for YYZ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftVTWDrtrlc
A lot going on here!
New official animated video for YYZ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftVTWDrtrlc
A lot going on here!
People on Facebook and Reddit seem to LOVE this video. I think it's just ok (despite all of the little "Easter eggs"). I'd rather have contemporaneous live footage.
I'm with you - video's fine, but I doubt I'll ever watch it again. For some reason, I was under the impression it was gonna be another in-studio video like they had for some of the other tracks. Guess I must've gotten it mixed up with another one. That would've been far more interesting to watch, IMO.New official animated video for YYZ:People on Facebook and Reddit seem to LOVE this video. I think it's just ok (despite all of the little "Easter eggs"). I'd rather have contemporaneous live footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftVTWDrtrlc
A lot going on here!
Guys, are you surprised with Neil passed away that with a non live remaster that there will not be an old live cut video?(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/576/Wat8.jpg?1315930535)
Makes no sense.
Guys, are you surprised with Neil passed away that with a non live remaster that there will not be an old live cut video?
Makes no sense.
Are you surprised that an animated video was released of a band missing their iconic drummer when a band is in retirement? This release is on a studio album. Not a live album. Why is it so hard to understand you will not see old, live footage?
Pg, those videos are 40 plus years old. Rush is notorious for not having extras hang around. They just had a same style video that came out for the last remastered album, Permanent Waves.pg1067 got it right - I was expecting a video for YYZ like Tom Sawyer, Vital Signs and Limelight. I know that Rush is notorious for not having extra stuff, but as is evident from recent history, they *are* going through their vault and unearthing all sorts of stuff, whether it be the live recordings that have appeared on each of the 40th anniversary releases or the videos that have appeared on Beyond the Lighted Stage and the bonus disc for the R40 video box set. Do you mean to tell me that they don't have any video footage of the other 4 MP songs? I find that hard to believe. Of course, whether it's quality or not, or whether they'd have enough to cut proper videos is a whole other question. But I don't think my expectation of an in-studio video for YYZ is that unrealistic or impossible from an outsider's viewpoint.
It shouldn't be a surprise this is all they would do.
I bet they don't. Plus, the last video for Spirit of Radio was well received. That was for the release of Permanent Waves. So I would think is wouldn't surprise anyone that they would release another cartoon video.
Check this out though Scotty.Yeah, I've seen that before. Wasn't that a bonus track on the Clockwork Angels Tour video?
https://www.notreble.com/buzz/2022/03/11/rush-limelight-live-soundcheck-2012/
I've loved the covers they've had from other bands.Those can be interesting, but aside from DT and maybe one or two others, I listen to them once and that's enough. I'd rather they just give us full shows from each tour for every release. They didn't do that for Hemispheres or PeW - I hope they start a new trend with MP for all future re-releases!
Check this out though Scotty.That footage is gold!! With Geddy not singing most of the song, it really shows off just how incredible of players all 3 are/were! I would love to see more of that soundcheck.
https://www.notreble.com/buzz/2022/03/11/rush-limelight-live-soundcheck-2012/
Check this out though Scotty.That footage is gold!! With Geddy not singing most of the song, it really shows off just how incredible of players all 3 are/were! I would love to see more of that soundcheck.
https://www.notreble.com/buzz/2022/03/11/rush-limelight-live-soundcheck-2012/
Is that bootleg audio only or is it a video bootleg?Check this out though Scotty.That footage is gold!! With Geddy not singing most of the song, it really shows off just how incredible of players all 3 are/were! I would love to see more of that soundcheck.
https://www.notreble.com/buzz/2022/03/11/rush-limelight-live-soundcheck-2012/
I discovered that yesterday too, and it's simply amazing! I also found a bootleg on YouTube of the last full rehearsal of the T4E tour, the night before the first show. Geddy doesn't sing all the lines on that one either, and without the crowd noise, it's mind-blowing to realize how much noise three people are doing on stage.
Pg, those videos are 40 plus years old. Rush is notorious for not having extras hang around. They just had a same style video that came out for the last remastered album, Permanent Waves.
It shouldn't be a surprise this is all they would do.
Pg, those videos are 40 plus years old. Rush is notorious for not having extras hang around. They just had a same style video that came out for the last remastered album, Permanent Waves.pg1067 got it right - I was expecting a video for YYZ like Tom Sawyer, Vital Signs and Limelight. I know that Rush is notorious for not having extra stuff, but as is evident from recent history, they *are* going through their vault and unearthing all sorts of stuff, whether it be the live recordings that have appeared on each of the 40th anniversary releases or the videos that have appeared on Beyond the Lighted Stage and the bonus disc for the R40 video box set. Do you mean to tell me that they don't have any video footage of the other 4 MP songs? I find that hard to believe. Of course, whether it's quality or not, or whether they'd have enough to cut proper videos is a whole other question. But I don't think my expectation of an in-studio video for YYZ is that unrealistic or impossible from an outsider's viewpoint.
It shouldn't be a surprise this is all they would do.
Hey, just read that Geddy & Alex are the voices of the cops in the new video.
Alex will auction off hundreds of items from his career, including over 60 vintage guitars, on May 22.
https://juliensauctions.com/about-auction?id=405
I have been listening to Power Windows on my iPod (ALAC) for the last week, what an amazing album, both sound and production wise.
I am actually going to use the remastered CD as a reference when shopping for new floor speakers.
And make sure to tell TAC and PG they are objectively wrong about Power Windows! :biggrin:I have been listening to Power Windows on my iPod (ALAC) for the last week, what an amazing album, both sound and production wise.
I am actually going to use the remastered CD as a reference when shopping for new floor speakers.
:tup
Well, you should join the discussion in the Rush countdown thread, and spread some more Power Windows love there as well! :biggrin:
I have been listening to Power Windows on my iPod (ALAC) for the last week, what an amazing album, both sound and production wise.Funnily enough, I used to do this same thing. Only I would use the albums 2112, Moving Pictures, and Power Windows.
I am actually going to use the remastered CD as a reference when shopping for new floor speakers.
Only 15K?Believe it or not, but that is fairly inexpensive when it comes to high end speakers.
I have been listening to Power Windows on my iPod (ALAC) for the last week, what an amazing album, both sound and production wise.Funnily enough, I used to do this same thing. Only I would use the albums 2112, Moving Pictures, and Power Windows.
I am actually going to use the remastered CD as a reference when shopping for new floor speakers.
Also, I can save you some time on shopping for speakers. Get these https://www.leonspeakers.com/residential/series/timbre/tiseven-twr
Designing and Installing high end home theater systems and audio systems is what I do for a living.
Pinball machine
https://www.pastemagazine.com/games/stern-rush-pinball/?fbclid=IwAR1pnoZmxZ0s02kXczB2cpnHTBGxycN8acjeSvZwvfDq1vJQqBL9oTNitRU
That had to cost him a pretty penny.
That had to cost him a pretty penny.
He paid the price but won’t count the cost.
Nice! Is that the most expensive of the 3 models or the middle one? Either way, he dropped some serious cash on it. Would love to have one, but practicality and other factors say otherwise.
I just went to the Stern Pinball website, and yeah, he got the top of the line model judging by the design of the sign above the LCD screen. The MSRP on that one is $11,099! But even the middle and "low" end models are far from cheap. Middle one is $8999 and the low end one is $6899.Nice! Is that the most expensive of the 3 models or the middle one? Either way, he dropped some serious cash on it. Would love to have one, but practicality and other factors say otherwise.Not sure, but knowing my buddy the way I do, it is probably one of the expensive ones.
I have no idea what he spent on it. I kind of casually asked, "How much did this thing cost?" (and I have known him 30+ years, so I had no qualms about asking), and his reply was, "A lot." :lol :lol
I WANT THAT!! But I can't justify spending $6000+ on a pinball machine to my wife... :lolI just went to the Stern Pinball website, and yeah, he got the top of the line model judging by the design of the sign above the LCD screen. The MSRP on that one is $11,099! But even the middle and "low" end models are far from cheap. Middle one is $8999 and the low end one is $6899.Nice! Is that the most expensive of the 3 models or the middle one? Either way, he dropped some serious cash on it. Would love to have one, but practicality and other factors say otherwise.Not sure, but knowing my buddy the way I do, it is probably one of the expensive ones.
I have no idea what he spent on it. I kind of casually asked, "How much did this thing cost?" (and I have known him 30+ years, so I had no qualms about asking), and his reply was, "A lot." :lol :lol
https://sternpinball.com/game/rush/
The low end one must just play music from Power Windows.:facepalm: :loser:
Yeah, and while you're talking to pg, make sure you have a towel and some bleach.
The low end one must just play music from Power Windows.
The low end one must just play music from Power Windows.
The low end one must just play music from Power Windows.
I just went to the Stern Pinball website, and yeah, he got the top of the line model judging by the design of the sign above the LCD screen. The MSRP on that one is $11,099! But even the middle and "low" end models are far from cheap. Middle one is $8999 and the low end one is $6899.Nice! Is that the most expensive of the 3 models or the middle one? Either way, he dropped some serious cash on it. Would love to have one, but practicality and other factors say otherwise.Not sure, but knowing my buddy the way I do, it is probably one of the expensive ones.
I have no idea what he spent on it. I kind of casually asked, "How much did this thing cost?" (and I have known him 30+ years, so I had no qualms about asking), and his reply was, "A lot." :lol :lol
https://sternpinball.com/game/rush/
The low end one must just play music from Power Windows.I dunno, there's Big Money involved with that album..
That's where your legacy is intact, and that's how people remember you. They remember you at that show where you played that song that they've listened to for 40 years, and it was the best version they've ever heard of that song, and that's what they're left with. They're sad that it's over but at least they have that memory. Unlike some artists who end up in a chair on a stage singing… I would never, ever, ever want to be like that. For what purpose? Is it money? Is it some egotistical drive? Get over it. Get over yourself. You know, it's just, I don't know… I'm just not like that.
Pinball machine
https://www.pastemagazine.com/games/stern-rush-pinball/?fbclid=IwAR1pnoZmxZ0s02kXczB2cpnHTBGxycN8acjeSvZwvfDq1vJQqBL9oTNitRU
A buddy of mine bought one of them. I took this pic of it the other day at his house:
(https://i.ibb.co/HP4x8sk/IMG-1174.jpg) (https://ibb.co/myTXWwM)
:metal :metal
Kudos to your daughter! Geddy has a pretty distinctive voice, but recognizing it and knowing that the band must be Rush still takes some brain cells if it's not in her regular wheelhouse, so good for her.
Well, my Moving Pictures 40th Anniversary Super Deluxe box set has shipped, or at very least the shipping label has been created. It's coming from VA, so I hopefully won't have to wait too long to get it!
Anyone else here take the plunge and order it too? Or am I the only one dumb enough to throw money at it? :lol
-Marc.
https://youtu.be/xOZeYN1EsdI
The band have uploaded "Tom Sawyer" from the previously unreleased Live In YYZ 1981 live album. Cannot wait to finally hear a complete MP Tour show in stunning quality!
-Marc.
I had just started a project too. It was called how many times can a stick a needle in my ear before I say ouch.
I had just started a project too. It was called how many times can a stick a needle in my ear before I say ouch.
Not enough?
-Marc.
I had just started a project too. It was called how many times can a stick a needle in my ear before I say ouch.
You know, as this banter goes on, it starts to feel more and more like an episode of Hey Arnold where Power Windows is Arnold, and Tim is Helga.
(TAC: “What’s Hey Arnold?”) :rollin :rollin :rollin
You know, as this banter goes on, it starts to feel more and more like an episode of Hey Arnold where Power Windows is Arnold, and Tim is Helga.
(TAC: “What’s Hey Arnold?”) :rollin :rollin :rollin
You know, as this banter goes on, it starts to feel more and more like an episode of Hey Arnold where Power Windows is Arnold, and Tim is Helga.
(TAC: “What’s Hey Arnold?”) :rollin :rollin :rollin
What's Hey Arnold?
(I'm actually not kidding...)
Famous 90s Nickelodeon cartoon that ran from ‘96 to ‘04 and produced 2 full length movies.
Famous 90s Nickelodeon cartoon that ran from ‘96 to ‘04 and produced 2 full length movies.
Helga is the girl who constantly bullies and antagonizes Arnold in order to hide the fact that she’s secretly in love with him.
Famous 90s Nickelodeon cartoon that ran from ‘96 to ‘04 and produced 2 full length movies.
What were you doing watching Nick in the 90's for??
I remember a few Nick 90's shows that my stepson watched..Rugrats, Keenan & Kel, The Amanda Show, but I've never seen Hey Arnold.
Famous 90s Nickelodeon cartoon that ran from ‘96 to ‘04 and produced 2 full length movies.
Helga is the girl who constantly bullies and antagonizes Arnold in order to hide the fact that she’s secretly in love with him.
I'm going to reserve judgement on "famous", but thanks for the rest! :) :) :)
Famous 90s Nickelodeon cartoon that ran from ‘96 to ‘04 and produced 2 full length movies.
What were you doing watching Nick in the 90's for??
I remember a few Nick 90's shows that my stepson watched..Rugrats, Keenan & Kel, The Amanda Show, but I've never seen Hey Arnold.
My son was born in ‘92. I saw a lot of cool cartoons in the late 90s early 00s. Invader Zim, Cow and Chicken, Cat Dog, Angry Beavers. Johnny Bravo…and I think Ed, Edd, and Eddy was around that time too.
Famous 90s Nickelodeon cartoon that ran from ‘96 to ‘04 and produced 2 full length movies.
What were you doing watching Nick in the 90's for??
I remember a few Nick 90's shows that my stepson watched..Rugrats, Keenan & Kel, The Amanda Show, but I've never seen Hey Arnold.
My son was born in ‘92. I saw a lot of cool cartoons in the late 90s early 00s. Invader Zim, Cow and Chicken, Cat Dog, Angry Beavers. Johnny Bravo…and I think Ed, Edd, and Eddy was around that time too.
Ah, OK. I don't remember you mentioning kids before.
Famous 90s Nickelodeon cartoon that ran from ‘96 to ‘04 and produced 2 full length movies.
What were you doing watching Nick in the 90's for??
I remember a few Nick 90's shows that my stepson watched..Rugrats, Keenan & Kel, The Amanda Show, but I've never seen Hey Arnold.
My son was born in ‘92. I saw a lot of cool cartoons in the late 90s early 00s. Invader Zim, Cow and Chicken, Cat Dog, Angry Beavers. Johnny Bravo…and I think Ed, Edd, and Eddy was around that time too.
I'm gonna channel my inner TAC and say, what's that?Famous 90s Nickelodeon cartoon that ran from ‘96 to ‘04 and produced 2 full length movies.
What were you doing watching Nick in the 90's for??
I remember a few Nick 90's shows that my stepson watched..Rugrats, Keenan & Kel, The Amanda Show, but I've never seen Hey Arnold.
My son was born in ‘92. I saw a lot of cool cartoons in the late 90s early 00s. Invader Zim, Cow and Chicken, Cat Dog, Angry Beavers. Johnny Bravo…and I think Ed, Edd, and Eddy was around that time too.
Other than Kim Possible, that whole era is lost on me.
I'm gonna channel my inner TAC and say, what's that?Famous 90s Nickelodeon cartoon that ran from ‘96 to ‘04 and produced 2 full length movies.
What were you doing watching Nick in the 90's for??
I remember a few Nick 90's shows that my stepson watched..Rugrats, Keenan & Kel, The Amanda Show, but I've never seen Hey Arnold.
My son was born in ‘92. I saw a lot of cool cartoons in the late 90s early 00s. Invader Zim, Cow and Chicken, Cat Dog, Angry Beavers. Johnny Bravo…and I think Ed, Edd, and Eddy was around that time too.
Other than Kim Possible, that whole era is lost on me.
New interview with Geddy and Alex:Awesome interview! Still such fun and great guys.
https://youtu.be/-U0mnz__iUg
Haven't watched it yet, but will later...
Amazon says my boxed set was delivered. So I texted my wife to verify.
She responded: “it’s here…and it’s really heavy”
I’m so freaking excited! I can’t wait to get home! :metal
Amazon says my boxed set was delivered. So I texted my wife to verify.
She responded: “it’s here…and it’s really heavy”
I’m so freaking excited! I can’t wait to get home! :metal
Did you also get the big super deluxe box set? I got mine in a few days ago and I can confirm, it is HUGE and REALLY HEAVY. Probably the heaviest box set I own for any single release.
-Marc.
Amazon says my boxed set was delivered. So I texted my wife to verify.
She responded: “it’s here…and it’s really heavy”
I’m so freaking excited! I can’t wait to get home! :metal
Did you also get the big super deluxe box set? I got mine in a few days ago and I can confirm, it is HUGE and REALLY HEAVY. Probably the heaviest box set I own for any single release.
-Marc.
New interview with Geddy and Alex:
https://youtu.be/-U0mnz__iUg
Haven't watched it yet, but will later...
I also think this may be the only live recording we will ever hear of Natural Science in its original arrangement.
New interview with Geddy and Alex:
https://youtu.be/-U0mnz__iUg
Haven't watched it yet, but will later...
I listened to this at work this afternoon. Very nice! I always thought Geddy seemed aggravated about Rush coming to an end in 2015, and he basically confirmed it, but he seems to have made peace with it. It's clear how crushing the loss of Neil was for both. :( :(
New interview with Geddy and Alex:
https://youtu.be/-U0mnz__iUg (https://youtu.be/-U0mnz__iUg)
Haven't watched it yet, but will later...
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I also think this may be the only live recording we will ever hear of Natural Science in its original arrangement.
There was a live recording of it in its original form on the Permanent Waves 40th Anniversary release. 🙂
Right. That was first, this was last. ;)
Seriously though, I seem to remember that the entire live disc from that set was very subpar. On this one, they are really on fire!
I keep thinking - I know Neil had a fantastic life doing what he loved the most, at the highest level, so obviously it's hard to deny he was overall such a "lucky", successful guy - but why couldn't he just have the chance to enjoy his years with his family as the retired, at peace, happy man he was? Makes me so sad :(
So the Moving Pictures 40th Anniversary edition contains a full concert?
Is it one complete show all the way through? Or did they mix and match songs from two shows?So the Moving Pictures 40th Anniversary edition contains a full concert?
Yes, the Live In YYZ 1981 is a complete concert taken from two of the three nights at their Toronto gigs on the MP Tour.
Is it one complete show all the way through? Or did they mix and match songs from two shows?So the Moving Pictures 40th Anniversary edition contains a full concert?
Yes, the Live In YYZ 1981 is a complete concert taken from two of the three nights at their Toronto gigs on the MP Tour.
I didn't look, but is the 3CD/1BD artbook available outside of the Super Deluxe Limited Edition box set? If so, I would highly suggest getting that, as it contains some words/essays from various musicians who are fans of the band including Les Claypool and Taylor Hawkins.
-Marc.
If that's the case, I'm considering buying it. $26 is steep, but I can swing it.
I wonder why the other anniversary shows don't include full shows. I want a full concert, not bits and pieces.
If that's the case, I'm considering buying it. $26 is steep, but I can swing it.
I wonder why the other anniversary shows don't include full shows. I want a full concert, not bits and pieces.
Not to nitpick, but as far as I know, the AFTK 40th Anniversary set had a full show. Same show as the 3rd disc of Different Stages but the whole thing.
All I recall is that the back of the vinyls give two dates from the concerts, but from what I've gleaned, I'm not sure there's any indication as to which songs come from which nights, but the whole concert runs seamlessly. It really sounds like one whole complete concert.The most recent interview with Geddy and Alex with Strombo, Geddy mentioned it was a complete show from 1 night. He could have been mistaken, but as much as they oversee stuff like this, I doubt it.
-Marc.
All I recall is that the back of the vinyls give two dates from the concerts, but from what I've gleaned, I'm not sure there's any indication as to which songs come from which nights, but the whole concert runs seamlessly. It really sounds like one whole complete concert.The most recent interview with Geddy and Alex with Strombo, Geddy mentioned it was a complete show from 1 night. He could have been mistaken, but as much as they oversee stuff like this, I doubt it.
-Marc.
All I recall is that the back of the vinyls give two dates from the concerts, but from what I've gleaned, I'm not sure there's any indication as to which songs come from which nights, but the whole concert runs seamlessly. It really sounds like one whole complete concert.The most recent interview with Geddy and Alex with Strombo, Geddy mentioned it was a complete show from 1 night. He could have been mistaken, but as much as they oversee stuff like this, I doubt it.
-Marc.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CceLi2ts_Ly/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
This my IG Post of the vinyls of the live show from the box set. Both sleeves say March 24 & 25 1981, so I'm not sure what to believe!
-Marc.
OK, I'm gonna splurge then.
If that's the case, I'm considering buying it. $26 is steep, but I can swing it.
I wonder why the other anniversary shows don't include full shows. I want a full concert, not bits and pieces.
Not to nitpick, but as far as I know, the AFTK 40th Anniversary set had a full show. Same show as the 3rd disc of Different Stages but the whole thing.
Oh OK. That's interesting. I did not know that.
All I recall is that the back of the vinyls give two dates from the concerts, but from what I've gleaned, I'm not sure there's any indication as to which songs come from which nights, but the whole concert runs seamlessly. It really sounds like one whole complete concert.The most recent interview with Geddy and Alex with Strombo, Geddy mentioned it was a complete show from 1 night. He could have been mistaken, but as much as they oversee stuff like this, I doubt it.
-Marc.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CceLi2ts_Ly/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
This my IG Post of the vinyls of the live show from the box set. Both sleeves say March 24 & 25 1981, so I'm not sure what to believe!
-Marc.
Yeah, who knows :)
This is the bit from the interview where Geddy talks about it:
https://youtu.be/-U0mnz__iUg?t=1076
40th Anniversary Credits
LIVE IN YYZ 1981
Recorded live at Maple Leaf Gardens, Toronto, ON by Guy Charbonneau using Le Mobile Remote Recording March 24 & 25, 1981
Mixed by Terry Brown at Blue Sound & Music. Toronto, ON - December 2020 - February 2021
Technical Assistance: Russ Mackay
Previously Unreleased
...
Live in YYZ 1981 mastered by Peter Moore - 2021
Anyone notice the brief “blink and you’ll miss it” miscue from Neil? He comes in early on his cowbell run near the beginning of Xanadu. He immediately just starts back over again right on time so no one misses a beat. I actually found it a bit endearing. Like he was so good that even when he had a small slip he could pull out of it like nothing happened.
From the album's liner notes:Quote40th Anniversary Credits
LIVE IN YYZ 1981
Recorded live at Maple Leaf Gardens, Toronto, ON by Guy Charbonneau using Le Mobile Remote Recording March 24 & 25, 1981
Mixed by Terry Brown at Blue Sound & Music. Toronto, ON - December 2020 - February 2021
Technical Assistance: Russ Mackay
Previously Unreleased
...
Live in YYZ 1981 mastered by Peter Moore - 2021
So either Geddy is mistaken and confused the show as being from one venue rather than one singular night, or all of the album’s liner notes and credits are wrong.
I'll lean more towards the former. Two nights from the same venue we're recorded and they probably took the best of each song, or whichever sounded better from a recording standpoint.
-Marc.
Abou the MP's 40th anniversary edition... this show is so good - amazing performances! Even being from 2 different nights, it has much more of a true live feel than ESL. Anybody knows if they are planning this kind of anniversary editions for Signals, GUP, PoW and HYF?
I'm sure you're correct about this. Too bad they didn't make just the live show available for purchase. I really don't have a need for the other stuff and am not a serious "collector".From the album's liner notes:Quote40th Anniversary Credits
LIVE IN YYZ 1981
Recorded live at Maple Leaf Gardens, Toronto, ON by Guy Charbonneau using Le Mobile Remote Recording March 24 & 25, 1981
Mixed by Terry Brown at Blue Sound & Music. Toronto, ON - December 2020 - February 2021
Technical Assistance: Russ Mackay
Previously Unreleased
...
Live in YYZ 1981 mastered by Peter Moore - 2021
So either Geddy is mistaken and confused the show as being from one venue rather than one singular night, or all of the album’s liner notes and credits are wrong.
I'll lean more towards the former. Two nights from the same venue we're recorded and they probably took the best of each song, or whichever sounded better from a recording standpoint.
-Marc.
Yep, I think that's what it is. My guess is when he says "one night instead of a compilation", he means it in contrast to ESL (or Different Stages, for that matter), where songs were even from different tours...here it's the full setlist of that particular tour, from one venue.
Regardless, it doesn't matter. It's a fantastic live album!
I don't listen to Vapor Trails often, but I gave it a few listens over the past few days and enjoyed them quite a bit. I am listening to the 2013 remaster (not the original or that dreadful 2013 remix). Vapor Trail, Earthshine, Nocture and Freeze are all still killer tunes. The aggressive ferocity of the record as a whole is pretty unique in their history. :metal :metalYes, Vapor Trails is pretty kick ass! When Neil passed, I binged on Rush for a good 6 months. And this album stood out the most as far as being "better than I remembered". Far from my favorite of theirs, but it's quite good IMO.
VP's 2013 remaster is really interesting!! Sure the remix loose some ferocity from the original mix.
Yes, Vapor Trails is pretty kick ass! When Neil passed, I binged on Rush for a good 6 months. And this album stood out the most as far as being "better than I remembered". Far from my favorite of theirs, but it's quite good IMO.
I have a bootleg from the Signals tour, but it's definitely not a soundboard recording. The quality is actually pretty poor. Would be nice if they dug up a soundboard from that tour and released it with the Signals 40th anniversary boxset.Abou the MP's 40th anniversary edition... this show is so good - amazing performances! Even being from 2 different nights, it has much more of a true live feel than ESL. Anybody knows if they are planning this kind of anniversary editions for Signals, GUP, PoW and HYF?
I *really* hope we get a Signals box set because getting a complete Signals Tour show in soundboard quality has been a Rush ROIO holy grail for me ever since I became a fan and hunted down the best sounding shows from each tour. To my knowledge, there aren't even any Signals Tour soundboard boots, let alone a complete soundboard, just tons of fairly good-sounding audience boots. If the band have a complete soundboard show from the Signals Tour, I'd love to get it! Same with the Power Windows Tour, though there are a couple of soundboards of that tour floating about, but none are complete.
-Marc.
I have a bootleg from the Signals tour. But I only listened to it once when I first got it and that was several years ago. I’ll have to dig it back out because I can’t remember what the quality was like. I seem to recall that it was a pretty decent audience recording.
I have a bootleg from the Signals tour. But I only listened to it once when I first got it and that was several years ago. I’ll have to dig it back out because I can’t remember what the quality was like. I seem to recall that it was a pretty decent audience recording.
Was it the Uniondale, NY show from 12/9/82? I've had that one for the longest time, titled "Music In The Abstract", it's one of the better complete audience boots.
-Marc.
I am listening to the 2013 remaster (not the original or that dreadful 2013 remix).
I am listening to the 2013 remaster (not the original or that dreadful 2013 remix).
There's a remaster which is not a remix? I didn't know that existed. So in 2013 they did both, a remix AND a straight remaster of the 2002 release?
I am listening to the 2013 remaster (not the original or that dreadful 2013 remix).
There's a remaster which is not a remix? I didn't know that existed. So in 2013 they did both, a remix AND a straight remaster of the 2002 release?
In fact, the remaster was released (on HDtracks) just 2 or 3 months before the remix. I remember that because I purchased it at the time, but I think, since the remix was released, the remaster wasn't avaible anymore - it was weird.
I am listening to the 2013 remaster (not the original or that dreadful 2013 remix).
There's a remaster which is not a remix? I didn't know that existed. So in 2013 they did both, a remix AND a straight remaster of the 2002 release?
In fact, the remaster was released (on HDtracks) just 2 or 3 months before the remix. I remember that because I purchased it at the time, but I think, since the remix was released, the remaster wasn't avaible anymore - it was weird.
Yep. I also bought the remaster off of HD Tracks. It is far superior to the original and the remix. It was up there for some time but has been gone for a while now. I'm so glad I grabbed it when it was around.
I look at VT original / remix this way.
The original sounds so awful I cannot enjoy it or appreciate the music. It really doesn't matter what the remix loses because frankly, it makes it listenable. Hearing some songs live I had some appreciation for that album, but it wasn't until the remix I could truly sit back, enjoy it, and really come to appreciate some of the songs.
What year is the Remaster and where is it available?
I look at VT original / remix this way.
The original sounds so awful I cannot enjoy it or appreciate the music. It really doesn't matter what the remix loses because frankly, it makes it listenable. Hearing some songs live I had some appreciation for that album, but it wasn't until the remix I could truly sit back, enjoy it, and really come to appreciate some of the songs.
That's why you have to go for the 2013 remaster (not the remix). :) It retains the energy and fury of the original, while cleaning up the sound and toning down the loudness. I was able to listen to it several times this week from start to finish, and not once did the sound really bother me.
I am listening to the 2013 remaster (not the original or that dreadful 2013 remix).
There's a remaster which is not a remix? I didn't know that existed. So in 2013 they did both, a remix AND a straight remaster of the 2002 release?
In fact, the remaster was released (on HDtracks) just 2 or 3 months before the remix. I remember that because I purchased it at the time, but I think, since the remix was released, the remaster wasn't avaible anymore - it was weird.
Magna Carta has announced the release of "An All-Star Tribute To Rush", a double-album celebrating the career of the Canadian prog-rockers, as reported by Blabbermouth.
You can check out the track list with all contributions below:
Disc 1
Working Man - Sebastian Bach & Jake E. Lee
By-Tor And The Snow Dog - James LaBrie & John Petrucci
Analog Kid - Sebastian Bach & John Petrucci
The Trees - Mike Baker & Brendt Allman
La Villa Strangiato - Steve Morse
Mission - Eric Martin
Anthem - Mark Slaughter & George Lynch
Jacob's Ladder - Sebastian Bach & John Petrucci
Closer To The Heart - Fates Warning
Natural Science - Devin Townsend
YYZ - James Murphy
Red Barchetta - James LaBrie
Freewill - Gregoor van der Loo
Tom Sawyer - Alex Skolnick Trio
This is 2 old albums put together. I own both all ready.
Looks like Doug Helvering will be doing a reaction to both "Books" of Cygnus X-1 tomorrow. Hope he spends more time on the music than playing amateur lyrical analyst.
Now this is a version of Heardle I can handle.Had Cinderella Man, got it in 1.5 secs LOL
Rush Heardle:
https://t.co/stYvG8WfV0
You guys! There’s only one per day and everyone gets the same song until tomorrow.Well that's no fun! I was hoping to get one after another until I couldn't get it LOL
I was lucky to see the 1st show of the VT tour in Hartford. It was an emotional experience.
I absolutely love Vapor Trails. Like Kev, I only listen to the Andy Van Dette remaster and not the Bottrill remix.
From Neil's furious opening announcing he's back all the way to the end, this album is a huge winner for me.
I absolutely love Vapor Trails. Like Kev, I only listen to the Andy Van Dette remaster and not the Bottrill remix.
From Neil's furious opening announcing he's back all the way to the end, this album is a huge winner for me.
Is there a CD version of the Andy Van Dette remaster?
I don't know if this is the 2013 remaster of Vapor Trails but it sure looks like it. It's on Qobuz and available for purchase
https://open.qobuz.com/album/0603497923021 (https://open.qobuz.com/album/0603497923021)
It's weird, you need to have an account and subscription to log in. And then it looks like you can buy the albums if you wish.
Edit: I think this link should work for direct purchase.
Album Vapor Trails, Rush | Qobuz: download and streaming in high quality (https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/album/vapor-trails-rush/0603497923021)
Never heard of Qobuz before. Have any of you guys used that site before?
Never heard of Qobuz before. Have any of you guys used that site before?
💯😎💥 :metal
From Neil's furious opening announcing he's back all the way to the end, this album is a huge winner for me.
I was lucky to see the 1st show of the VT tour in Hartford. It was an emotional experience.
This is 2 old albums put together. I own both all ready.
VT was a super slow burn for me.
It was released the day after my son was born, so I really didn't get to spend the sort of time with it that I did with some other albums. My attention was being drawn elsewhere, and brickwalled sound didn't help in that regard. I got a hall pass to go to the concert in September, but I only really knew One Little Victory by that point. They played Earthshine (best song on the album), OLV (cool), Ghost Rider and Secret Touch (both just meh). It took quite a few years before the album really resonated with me, and I regard it as the best of the 21st century albums.
This might be the single most unexpected cover I've ever heard/seen (unfortunately, it cuts off towards the end).
https://youtu.be/X2Kk9OhYlW8
Yes, the vocals were my favorite part.This might be the single most unexpected cover I've ever heard/seen (unfortunately, it cuts off towards the end).
https://youtu.be/X2Kk9OhYlW8
Three comments:
- the moment when the guitar player gently adjusts her hijab then rips into the intro is killer;
- the drummer is the epitome of compact, concise motion;
- it is stunning how much a young Indonesian woman and Geddy Lee sound alike.
There is a cover of "The Spirit Carries On" as well; she doesn't sound as much like James as she does Geddy.
This might be the single most unexpected cover I've ever heard/seen (unfortunately, it cuts off towards the end).
https://youtu.be/X2Kk9OhYlW8
This might be the single most unexpected cover I've ever heard/seen (unfortunately, it cuts off towards the end).
https://youtu.be/X2Kk9OhYlW8
Are these the sisters of the dudes in the Iron Maiden thread?
This might be the single most unexpected cover I've ever heard/seen (unfortunately, it cuts off towards the end).
https://youtu.be/X2Kk9OhYlW8
Are these the sisters of the dudes in the Iron Maiden thread?
So Vapor Trails turns 20 years old this Saturday, the 14th.
I remember getting this album the year it came out, around the time I was graduating high school, and it got maximum play on my portable CD player (the old blue-topped Sony Walkman, the one with the 3 green circles and white bottom). My original CD is scratched and scuffed to heck and back, but I was absolutely in love with the album, just as my exploration of Rush was underway. For me, this album holds a special place in my heart as being a turning point album for me, both in my personal life and in my musical life. I'll always link VT with my discovery of Rush and prog in general, and at the time, some of the songs' lyrics really connected with me as well.
Little did we know that VT would be the first in a trio of final albums for the band as they came back in the 21st century following Neil's tragedies, and of those three, this album is almost my favorite (CA barely edges it out). What a statement for the band coming back after a 6 year break since Test For Echo, their longest gap between studio albums. Despite the rough and hot mix of the original release, the songwriting is pretty top notch across the album, and it still makes me sad that more of those songs didn't get played live over the course of the following 13 years until they stopped touring.
I'll have to give this one a spin this weekend in celebration of its 20th birthday! What does everyone else think about VT? What's your history with this album? Were you a Rush fan before it came out? As a fan who got into them just around the release of this album, it was just as much Rush as anything else they'd done up to that point, but I'd be curious to see what long-time Rush fans felt about VT when it came out, and if your thoughts on it have changed in the 20 years since!
-Marc.
I was lucky to see the 1st show of the VT tour in Hartford. It was an emotional experience.
This might be the single most unexpected cover I've ever heard/seen (unfortunately, it cuts off towards the end).
https://youtu.be/X2Kk9OhYlW8
This is pretty cool:Wow, that's pretty cool!
Google engineer identifies anonymous faces in WWII photos with AI facial recognition
https://www.timesofisrael.com/google-engineer-identifies-anonymous-faces-in-wwii-photos-with-ai-facial-recognition/
Can you tell us about some of the successes the platform has had so far?
We reached out to Geddy Lee, from Rush, with a photo we thought was of his mother. He was able to confirm this was indeed a photo of her at the displaced persons camp at Bergen-Belsen.
Geddy was then able to subsequently discover photos of his grandmother, uncles, an aunt and other extended family by browsing the Yad Vashem collection where the initial photo came from.
Prime Mover.nice lyrics by Neil on this one, although I love them all. My favourite bass parts by Geddy are (in no order) Vital Signs, Red Barchetta and Distant Early Warning, although again, I really like him as a bass player, so that doesn't have to mean much.
Happy Dirk Day! It's Geddy's birthday today!
What's everyone's favorite bass part in the Rush catalog? Off the top of my head, it has to be live versions of "By-Tor & The Snow Dog", even in the 21st century, Geddy just kills it during that middle section!
Prime Mover.
The verses of The Enemy Within just do it for me
Does Geddy even have any bad bass lines?
Does Geddy even have any bad bass lines?
He kinda phoned it in on Rivendell.
Seriously...bad? No. Losing It is kind of mundane, but the song is about so much else.
Rivendell? Yeah, seriously, I don't think he plucked a single string in that entire song. :lolDoes Geddy even have any bad bass lines?
He kinda phoned it in on Rivendell.
Seriously...bad? No. Losing It is kind of mundane, but the song is about so much else.
Maybe one of the next countdowns should be "top 100 Geddy Lee bass lines." :P :P
Happy Dirk Day! It's Geddy's birthday today!
What's everyone's favorite bass part in the Rush catalog? Off the top of my head, it has to be live versions of "By-Tor & The Snow Dog", even in the 21st century, Geddy just kills it during that middle section!
-Marc.
So…Geddy and Alex played together on stage for the first time since the last R40 show over 7 years ago.
They made a surprise appearance at the end of a South Park 25th anniversary show at Red Rocks and jammed along with Primus and Matt on drums playing Closer to the Heart.
https://youtu.be/j8On0tCuO9w
I'm not a big South Park fan, or Primus fan for that matter, but the idea of jamming onstage with your idols is universal. That was amazing.
I'm not a big South Park fan, or Primus fan for that matter, but the idea of jamming onstage with your idols is universal. That was amazing.
Same.
I assume the guy in the blue track suit is someone affiliated with South Park?
I'm not a big South Park fan, or Primus fan for that matter, but the idea of jamming onstage with your idols is universal. That was amazing.
Same.
I assume the guy in the blue track suit is someone affiliated with South Park?
Matt Parker. He and Trey made South Park.
I'm not a big South Park fan, or Primus fan for that matter, but the idea of jamming onstage with your idols is universal. That was amazing.
Same.
I assume the guy in the blue track suit is someone affiliated with South Park?
Matt Parker. He and Trey made South Park.
*Matt Stone
Jingle.boy kicks ass.How was it?
(https://i.postimg.cc/8CXjhTtp/20220813-203839.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VSMfwQxp)
Very good. I nice, light Golden ale with good flavor.Sounds and looks delicious with that good frothy head and a nice cold glass LOL
I assume it would be illegal for Jingle to ship it to California... :biggrin:
If Geddy and Alex do a new musical endeavor under a new band name, they should call it "The GIFILTER Project". :coolioBy-tor and the Snowdog
Any other ideas?
If Geddy and Alex do a new musical endeavor under a new band name, they should call it "The GIFILTER Project". :coolio
Any other ideas?
If Geddy and Alex do a new musical endeavor under a new band name, they should call it "The GIFILTER Project". :coolio
Any other ideas?
If Geddy and Alex do a new musical endeavor under a new band name, they should call it "The GIFILTER Project". :coolio
Any other ideas?
The Impossibles.
It's...not...going...to...happen.
They could call it “Rash”…
…after all, they’ve already got the shirts. :rollin :rollin
I have to say that I just got my first full, uninterrupted listen to Live in YYZ, and it is an absolute treasure.
I’ve been hearing it in small chunks and in bits on shuffle (time restraints mostly) but today I was hanging with my wife in the kitchen and I just put it on and let it go.
It’s now the best live Rush album in existence, and it almost makes me forgive them for not finding a full show to put in the Hemispheres and Permanent Waves boxed sets. The band is on fire, the setlist is amazing, the mix is INFINITELY better than ESL.
Until we get a “holy grail” show (a professionally cleaned up full show from the Hemispheres tour) this will be the go to live album.
I have to say that I just got my first full, uninterrupted listen to Live in YYZ, and it is an absolute treasure.Why have I never heard of this, and where can I find it??
I’ve been hearing it in small chunks and in bits on shuffle (time restraints mostly) but today I was hanging with my wife in the kitchen and I just put it on and let it go.
It’s now the best live Rush album in existence, and it almost makes me forgive them for not finding a full show to put in the Hemispheres and Permanent Waves boxed sets. The band is on fire, the setlist is amazing, the mix is INFINITELY better than ESL.
Until we get a “holy grail” show (a professionally cleaned up full show from the Hemispheres tour) this will be the go to live album.
I have to say that I just got my first full, uninterrupted listen to Live in YYZ, and it is an absolute treasure.Why have I never heard of this, and where can I find it??
I’ve been hearing it in small chunks and in bits on shuffle (time restraints mostly) but today I was hanging with my wife in the kitchen and I just put it on and let it go.
It’s now the best live Rush album in existence, and it almost makes me forgive them for not finding a full show to put in the Hemispheres and Permanent Waves boxed sets. The band is on fire, the setlist is amazing, the mix is INFINITELY better than ESL.
Until we get a “holy grail” show (a professionally cleaned up full show from the Hemispheres tour) this will be the go to live album.
I have to say that I just got my first full, uninterrupted listen to Live in YYZ, and it is an absolute treasure.Why have I never heard of this, and where can I find it??
I’ve been hearing it in small chunks and in bits on shuffle (time restraints mostly) but today I was hanging with my wife in the kitchen and I just put it on and let it go.
It’s now the best live Rush album in existence, and it almost makes me forgive them for not finding a full show to put in the Hemispheres and Permanent Waves boxed sets. The band is on fire, the setlist is amazing, the mix is INFINITELY better than ESL.
Until we get a “holy grail” show (a professionally cleaned up full show from the Hemispheres tour) this will be the go to live album.
LIVE IN YYZ 1981 / previously unreleased
1. 2112 – Overture
2. 2112 – The Temples Of Syrinx
3. Freewill
4. Limelight
5. Cygnus X-1 Book II: Hemispheres – Prelude
6. Beneath, Between & Behind
7. The Camera Eye
8. YYZ
9. Broon’s Bane
10. The Trees
11. Xanadu
1. The Spirit Of Radio
2. Red Barchetta
3. Closer To The Heart
4. Tom Sawyer
5. Vital Signs
6. Natural Science
7. Working Man / Cygnus X-1 Book II: Hemispheres – Armageddon: The Battle Of Heart And Mind /By-Tor & The Snow Dog / In The End / In The Mood / 2112 – Grand Finale
8. La Villa Strangiato
I have to say that I just got my first full, uninterrupted listen to Live in YYZ, and it is an absolute treasure.
I’ve been hearing it in small chunks and in bits on shuffle (time restraints mostly) but today I was hanging with my wife in the kitchen and I just put it on and let it go.
It’s now the best live Rush album in existence, and it almost makes me forgive them for not finding a full show to put in the Hemispheres and Permanent Waves boxed sets. The band is on fire, the setlist is amazing, the mix is INFINITELY better than ESL.
Until we get a “holy grail” show (a professionally cleaned up full show from the Hemispheres tour) this will be the go to live album.
Listening to Rush In Rio today for the first time in years.
OH MY GOD, i forgot how much I love this album :metal
Just stopping by to say:Primitive things stir the hearts of everyone.. awesome song! :coolio
Mystic Rhythms :hefdaddy
Do you guys have a favorite Rush song?
I missed the countdown thread. I got into Rush late, sadly.
I started to have interest in the mid-1990s. I bought Test for Echo, liked it, but had to pass on the tour (a big regret) because I was in college and didn't have the money. Then Rush went away, and when they came back, I was at law school in Massachusetts and me and some buddies went to the "comeback" show in Hartford. I still wasn't a massive fan, and wasn't as "into" them as everyone else. But after that show, I started to be. I bought more records, saw them a couple more times, and became a hardcore fan. Sadly, their last two tours (Clockwork and R40) were in San Jose, which from where I live, is a non-starter on a weeknight. I SHOULD HAVE gone, obviously, but with the traffic, it would have been a ridiculous haul. Still, now, I wish I had.
My favorites right off the top of my head are Animate and Red Sector A. Those two always resonate.
My favorites right off the top of my head are Animate and Red Sector A. Those two always resonate.
Do you guys have a favorite Rush song?
Mine would be the acoustic version of Resist from Rush in Rio
I’m going to change the subject here to open it up to what you guys think.
How many of you think we have a possibility of getting a Signals 40th anniversary box set? Personally, I think the odds are extremely slim. As much as I love that album, I’m thinking their big hurrah boxed sets will be restricted to their “classic period” of 2112-MP.
What do you think?
yesterday was the 35th birthday for Hold Your Fire, and tomorrow Test For Echo turns 26!
I’m going to change the subject here to open it up to what you guys think.
How many of you think we have a possibility of getting a Signals 40th anniversary box set? Personally, I think the odds are extremely slim. As much as I love that album, I’m thinking their big hurrah boxed sets will be restricted to their “classic period” of 2112-MP.
What do you think?
New World Man's peak was #21. It was never #1.
Just saw this over at the Rush is a Band Blog:
Today is the 40th anniversary of the release of Rush's 9th studio album Signals. The album peaked at number 1 in Canada, number 3 in the UK, and number 10 in the US. It was certified platinum by the RIAA in November 1982, and produced three singles - New World Man (Rush's highest charting single in the US and a number-one hit in Canada), as well as Countdown and the classic Subdivisions. The album has been reissued several times, including a remaster with a new stereo and 5.1 surround sound mix in 2011. But what most fans are wondering about is whether a 40th anniversary box set reissue is in the works. Over the past several years, Rush has released 40th anniversary editions of several of their classic albums, including 2112, A Farewell to Kings, Hemispheres, Permanent Waves, and Moving Pictures, so it's assumed that they'll be giving Signals a similar treatment as well. The only question is the timing. The last 2 box sets were delayed due to supply chain and other issues - the Permanent Waves set didn't release until 6 months after the actual anniversary, and Moving Pictures was delayed even longer - well over a YEAR after the actual February 12, 2021 anniversary. So I think it's safe to say that we will be getting a box set, but it likely won't be released until sometime next year.
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2022/09/09/5848/Updates-and-other-random-Rush-stuff
It went to #1 (on the RPM national singles chart) in Canada, where it remained for two weeks in October 1982.
It also hit No. 1 on the Billboard Top Tracks chart (the first Rush single to do so).
I’m going to change the subject here to open it up to what you guys think.
How many of you think we have a possibility of getting a Signals 40th anniversary box set? Personally, I think the odds are extremely slim. As much as I love that album, I’m thinking their big hurrah boxed sets will be restricted to their “classic period” of 2112-MP.
What do you think?
New World Man's peak was #21. It was never #1.Just saw this over at the Rush is a Band Blog:
Today is the 40th anniversary of the release of Rush's 9th studio album Signals. The album peaked at number 1 in Canada, number 3 in the UK, and number 10 in the US. It was certified platinum by the RIAA in November 1982, and produced three singles - New World Man (Rush's highest charting single in the US and a number-one hit in Canada), as well as Countdown and the classic Subdivisions. The album has been reissued several times, including a remaster with a new stereo and 5.1 surround sound mix in 2011. But what most fans are wondering about is whether a 40th anniversary box set reissue is in the works. Over the past several years, Rush has released 40th anniversary editions of several of their classic albums, including 2112, A Farewell to Kings, Hemispheres, Permanent Waves, and Moving Pictures, so it's assumed that they'll be giving Signals a similar treatment as well. The only question is the timing. The last 2 box sets were delayed due to supply chain and other issues - the Permanent Waves set didn't release until 6 months after the actual anniversary, and Moving Pictures was delayed even longer - well over a YEAR after the actual February 12, 2021 anniversary. So I think it's safe to say that we will be getting a box set, but it likely won't be released until sometime next year.
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2022/09/09/5848/Updates-and-other-random-Rush-stuff
And from Wikipedia:QuoteIt went to #1 (on the RPM national singles chart) in Canada, where it remained for two weeks in October 1982.
It also hit No. 1 on the Billboard Top Tracks chart (the first Rush single to do so).
"New World Man" is also Ruah's only Top 40 hit in America, despite having numerous radio hits before Signals.
-Marc.
My #1 Rush song is Natural ScienceMy favorites right off the top of my head are Animate and Red Sector A. Those two always resonate.
Both fantastic picks...Animate, in particular, is a top 10 Rush song for me. So different for them and yet so very "Rush"...great groove and bass line, and that ending...so epic.
Listening to Rush In Rio today for the first time in years.
OH MY GOD, i forgot how much I love this album :metal
I need to put this on again, as well. It’s probably been a decade at least since I listened to or watched that show.
I’m going to change the subject here to open it up to what you guys think.
How many of you think we have a possibility of getting a Signals 40th anniversary box set? Personally, I think the odds are extremely slim. As much as I love that album, I’m thinking their big hurrah boxed sets will be restricted to their “classic period” of 2112-MP.
What do you think?
I think Signals will still have a 40th anniversary release. And if the band still had any creative control, I'd say it would have stopped there. But with the record company having the say un this, I believe they'll milk it to the extent that people are buying.I hope they continue releasing them. Would be nice to have professionally recorded and mixed copies from all of their tours. I just wish they had released full shows for each of those releases. Hopefully they will from here on out though I'm not banking on it.
Designs for the statues of Neil Peart to be installed in Lakeside Park revealed:They look good overall and I like them, and I don't mean to complain, but is it just me or do the faces for Neil make him look like an old elderly man? Especially the "modern" one, but even the 70s era one makes him look older than someone in his 20s.
https://www.loudersound.com/news/design-revealed-for-bronze-neil-peart-statue-in-lakeside-park
Those are really cool!
In fairness, does this really look like a 25-26yo?Honestly? Yes. The mustache may age him a bit but not much. Compare that photo to the brass statue and you'll see the face of the statue looks way older than that photo. Look at the eyebags and wrinkles down from his nose to each side of his mouth.
(https://360degreesound.com/wp-content/uploads/NeilPeartBook.jpg)
Designs for the statues of Neil Peart to be installed in Lakeside Park revealed:
https://www.loudersound.com/news/design-revealed-for-bronze-neil-peart-statue-in-lakeside-park
Those are really cool!
Here's a tease of a show recorded a few weeks before 2112 was released when Rush was on a bill with Kansas and Starcastle I have to think that the whole show is out there and may be released soon. If I'm not mistaken, this is the opening night of the tour and the atmosphere is a bit "loose." There's a brief description of this show in the "Wandering The Face Of The Earth" Book.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnEUIeVT-cY
My mind was blown when I first heard this as I'd never heard the song live before. Here's hoping this gets released sooner rather than later.
This recording sounds AMAZING for its age. I really hope the whole show surfaces soon! Is there any information regarding the setlist?
This recording sounds AMAZING for its age. I really hope the whole show surfaces soon! Is there any information regarding the setlist?
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/rush/1976/randhurst-twin-ice-arena-mount-prospect-il-3bdb0cc8.html
I just can't pretend to be excited about there now being a live version out there of a song as blah as I'm Think I'm Going Bald. What's next, a rare live version of Rivendell? :lolI don't know. The completionist in me wants at least a bootleg live version of every song Rush ever did. I'd love to have a professional recording of The Fountain of Lamneth and The Necromancer though. And Available Light, but I believe they never did that one live.
I just can't pretend to be excited about there now being a live version out there of a song as blah as I'm Think I'm Going Bald. What's next, a rare live version of Rivendell? :lolI don't know. The completionist in me wants at least a bootleg live version of every song Rush ever did. I'd love to have a professional recording of The Fountain of Lamneth and The Necromancer though. And Available Light, but I believe they never did that one live.
To tell you the truth, I think I’m going bald has always been one of my favorites from that album, and I never noticed that the main riff was a rehash of in the mood until somebody pointed it out to me on this forum just a few years ago
To tell you the truth, I think I’m going bald has always been one of my favorites from that album, and I never noticed that the main riff was a rehash of in the mood until somebody pointed it out to me on this forum just a few years ago
Probably me. That riff caught my ears right away, but when I mention it to my friends, who are all even bigger Rush fans than me, they're all "What? Huh, I never noticed."
I think you're right, and :sadpanda: I think it's one of their very best songs, best lyrics, I would have loved to have heard it live.I just can't pretend to be excited about there now being a live version out there of a song as blah as I'm Think I'm Going Bald. What's next, a rare live version of Rivendell? :lolI don't know. The completionist in me wants at least a bootleg live version of every song Rush ever did. I'd love to have a professional recording of The Fountain of Lamneth and The Necromancer though. And Available Light, but I believe they never did that one live.
This recording sounds AMAZING for its age. I really hope the whole show surfaces soon! Is there any information regarding the setlist?
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/rush/1976/randhurst-twin-ice-arena-mount-prospect-il-3bdb0cc8.html
Thanks! Looking at the song stats for ITIGB, I see it's listed as having been performed three times. The second show is REALLY interesting (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/rush/1976/massey-hall-toronto-on-canada-43d39797.html), with performances of "Making Memories" and "The Fountain Of Lamneth". Surely this is *THE* Holy Grail show for early Rush bootleg collectors, assuming the setlist is accurate. It looks like a headlining COS Tour show, and I'm sure there weren't many of those.
-Marc.
I always thought the main riff from I Think I'm Going Bald was basically the main riff from In The Mood, just slightly altered. The live version wasn't bad, but yeah, a little hard to get excited about even if it's a pretty rare track.
What's not genuine? The live recording of ITIGB or the setlist from the second show?This recording sounds AMAZING for its age. I really hope the whole show surfaces soon! Is there any information regarding the setlist?
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/rush/1976/randhurst-twin-ice-arena-mount-prospect-il-3bdb0cc8.html
Thanks! Looking at the song stats for ITIGB, I see it's listed as having been performed three times. The second show is REALLY interesting (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/rush/1976/massey-hall-toronto-on-canada-43d39797.html), with performances of "Making Memories" and "The Fountain Of Lamneth". Surely this is *THE* Holy Grail show for early Rush bootleg collectors, assuming the setlist is accurate. It looks like a headlining COS Tour show, and I'm sure there weren't many of those.
-Marc.
This has been out there for YEARS, but I think it's pretty well-accepted that it's not genuine.
What's not genuine? The live recording of ITIGB or the setlist from the second show?This recording sounds AMAZING for its age. I really hope the whole show surfaces soon! Is there any information regarding the setlist?
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/rush/1976/randhurst-twin-ice-arena-mount-prospect-il-3bdb0cc8.html
Thanks! Looking at the song stats for ITIGB, I see it's listed as having been performed three times. The second show is REALLY interesting (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/rush/1976/massey-hall-toronto-on-canada-43d39797.html), with performances of "Making Memories" and "The Fountain Of Lamneth". Surely this is *THE* Holy Grail show for early Rush bootleg collectors, assuming the setlist is accurate. It looks like a headlining COS Tour show, and I'm sure there weren't many of those.
-Marc.
This has been out there for YEARS, but I think it's pretty well-accepted that it's not genuine.
He means the 2nd show.
That setlist has never been verified by anyone. Even members of Rush have stated that they don’t believe Fountain was ever played live. (although to be fair, I do believe that there was some “squishy“ language involved. Statements were made like “I don’t think…“ etc. etc..)IIRC, before or during the Time Machine tour, Neil was even quoted as saying they hadn't played TCE live before which obviously wasn't true. So just because the band themselves say they didn't play TFoL doesn't mean they didn't, especially if they "think" they didn't. I'm sure memories of the Down the Tubes Tour were far more hazy than the Moving Pictures tour.
That setlist has never been verified by anyone. Even members of Rush have stated that they don’t believe Fountain was ever played live. (although to be fair, I do believe that there was some “squishy“ language involved. Statements were made like “I don’t think…“ etc. etc..)IIRC, before or during the Time Machine tour, Neil was even quoted as saying they hadn't played TCE live before which obviously wasn't true. So just because the band themselves say they didn't play TFoL doesn't mean they didn't, especially if they "think" they didn't. I'm sure memories of the Down the Tubes Tour were far more hazy than the Moving Pictures tour.
never cared for ‘Bald’ on the CoS LP, but that was one great listen👍
There are certainly indicia of legitimacy here. However, it's really hard for me to accept that, on the last night of an incredibly difficult tour, they pulled out a 20 minute "epic" that they hadn't been playing all along. It's not like they had abundant rehearsal time to get it ready for performance. If they'd been playing it at soundchecks leading up to that show (or if they did hardcore rehearsals for that show during the five days they had off before that show), you'd expect someone affiliated with the band to remember that. And, if they hadn't been sounchecking it or didn't rehearse it, that means that, 74 dates into the tour, they pulled out a song they hadn't played in 5-6 months (since the album was recorded) for its first live performance. Without a recording, it's hard for me to believe this.Good point. With that said, I find it hard to believe that they didn't perform it at any of their headlining gigs at all. The fact that it is claimed that it was only played at 3 shows doesn't mean it wasn't played at others. Without any boots to confirm one way or the other, I doubt we'll ever know for certain. But to imagine them not playing their brand new first side-long epic at any of the shows on that tour seems a bit hard to believe.
There are certainly indicia of legitimacy here. However, it's really hard for me to accept that, on the last night of an incredibly difficult tour, they pulled out a 20 minute "epic" that they hadn't been playing all along. It's not like they had abundant rehearsal time to get it ready for performance. If they'd been playing it at soundchecks leading up to that show (or if they did hardcore rehearsals for that show during the five days they had off before that show), you'd expect someone affiliated with the band to remember that. And, if they hadn't been sounchecking it or didn't rehearse it, that means that, 74 dates into the tour, they pulled out a song they hadn't played in 5-6 months (since the album was recorded) for its first live performance. Without a recording, it's hard for me to believe this.
Good point. With that said, I find it hard to believe that they didn't perform it at any of their headlining gigs at all. The fact that it is claimed that it was only played at 3 shows doesn't mean it wasn't played at others. Without any boots to confirm one way or the other, I doubt we'll ever know for certain. But to imagine them not playing their brand new first side-long epic at any of the shows on that tour seems a bit hard to believe.
Yeah, I mean, I am sure they likely screwed around with it and attempted it at a couple shows. It's not unheard of for bands, even those of Rush's ilk, to play something once or twice out of the blue, and never again. Even a song that long, if they practiced it, my feeling is, they likely tried it a couple times and then didn't bother again.I agree this happens to many bands DT included. They'll try the song at a few gigs and if they feel it's just not working, or the crowd is not responding favorably, they'll scrap it. So this lends credence to the band possibly performing it 2-3 times then scraping it. A true Rush mystery LOL
That's exciting, can't wait to get my hands on it.
Geddy's memoir will be released in May next year.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/rushs_geddy_lees_memoir_to_be_released_in_may_2023.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/rushs_geddy_lees_memoir_to_be_released_in_may_2023.html)
That's awesome. :) I hope there will be videos of the event.
Geddy's memoir will be released in May next year.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/rushs_geddy_lees_memoir_to_be_released_in_may_2023.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/rushs_geddy_lees_memoir_to_be_released_in_may_2023.html)
That's awesome. :) I hope there will be videos of the event.
Mike Portnoy will be taking part in YYNOT's "Bubba Bash" concert in celebration of Neil Peart on January 7th in Glenside, PA:
https://twitter.com/rushisaband/status/1597679015103717376?s=20&t=bvfuZp8ZbxPcEP0TqOTZKg
That's awesome. :) I hope there will be videos of the event.
I went there and Alex was a no show. I left after 4 songs.
Mike Portnoy will be taking part in YYNOT's "Bubba Bash" concert in celebration of Neil Peart on January 7th in Glenside, PA:
https://twitter.com/rushisaband/status/1597679015103717376?s=20&t=bvfuZp8ZbxPcEP0TqOTZKg
That's AWESOME! I'm more excited about YYNOT getting this sort of promotion. Such a great band. Too bad it's on the other side of the country.
Yeah, I'll definitely be at that tribute show.
Mike Portnoy will be taking part in YYNOT's "Bubba Bash" concert in celebration of Neil Peart on January 7th in Glenside, PA:
https://twitter.com/rushisaband/status/1597679015103717376?s=20&t=bvfuZp8ZbxPcEP0TqOTZKg
That's AWESOME! I'm more excited about YYNOT getting this sort of promotion. Such a great band. Too bad it's on the other side of the country.
Not really a fan but that's not the reason I'm going. The special guests persuaded me that I needed to be there and it is for charity so it's making the evening easier to swallow. If it isn't sold out already it's close which is mildly surprising to me given the atypical short notice from a prior age.
YYNOT's bassist, Tim Starace, and MP have a mutual friend, and I believe things snowballed from there.
YYNOT's bassist, Tim Starace, and MP have a mutual friend, and I believe things snowballed from there.
That's pretty much how it happened.
The show got booked a while ago and only recently did I notice that it was on the 3rd anniversary of Neil's passing. At that point we actually contemplated postponing the show out of respect to the family.
But after a call to a friend, we came up with a better idea - a "Celebration of his life while raising money and awareness" Every special guest involved in this is donating their time and covering all of their own travel expenses. 100 percent of all merch is going to Cedar Sinai in Neil's name. There will also be several special items auctioned off as well. Honestly I thought trying to get something like this together with so many artists would be difficult, but it was surprisingly easy as everyone involved has such love, respect, and admiration for Neil that it fell right into place rather easily.
Hope to see you there!
BTW if anyone would like to contribute directly to Cedar Sinai in Neil's name here is the direct link.
https://giving.cedars-sinai.edu/neilpeartbraintumorresearch (https://giving.cedars-sinai.edu/neilpeartbraintumorresearch)
Howdy!
If this goes well, as we fully expect, this will become an annual event. So you should be covered out on the West Coast in the near future.
Howdy!
If this goes well, as we fully expect, this will become an annual event. So you should be covered out on the West Coast in the near future.
Howdy!
If this goes well, as we fully expect, this will become an annual event. So you should be covered out on the West Coast in the near future.
Hell yeah. Very cool. Happy Holidays Tim!
I put on Clockwork Angels yesterday for the first time in a while. Listened to the whole album, loud. Wow! It's a given that the later the album, the less time I've had to absorb it, and some of the later ones never really got into regular rotation, not like back in the 70's or even the 80's. So this was not totally unlike checking it out again for the first time. Has it been nearly 10 years? Damn!
It is of course packed with solid musicianship, solid writing, and all the amazing stuff that makes Rush one of the best bands of all time. In fact, "packed" and "solid" have multiple meanings here. The music overall feels very dense. Alex's guitar sounds are very compressed, covering a lot of sonic range. Neil's percussion as usual fills its space, and Geddy's bass and keyboards provide a solid foundation.
Another word that comes to mind is "mature". Rush continued to evolve musically for their entire run, so logically this final album is their "final form". So much music, so well produced, so refined. I keep things on Shuffle in my car, and today the live version of "What You're Doing" came up, and I briefly considered how much their sound evolved over the years, yet still kept something at its core that could always be identified as Rush. What an amazing band! ♫♫
The music is a bit too dense for my liking. Would love to hear this one remixed to be a bit less sludgy. It’s a good album, but I rarely choose to listen to it.
The music is a bit too dense for my liking.
I put on Clockwork Angels yesterday for the first time in a while. Listened to the whole album, loud. Wow! It's a given that the later the album, the less time I've had to absorb it, and some of the later ones never really got into regular rotation, not like back in the 70's or even the 80's. So this was not totally unlike checking it out again for the first time. Has it been nearly 10 years? Damn!
It is of course packed with solid musicianship, solid writing, and all the amazing stuff that makes Rush one of the best bands of all time. In fact, "packed" and "solid" have multiple meanings here. The music overall feels very dense. Alex's guitar sounds are very compressed, covering a lot of sonic range. Neil's percussion as usual fills its space, and Geddy's bass and keyboards provide a solid foundation.
Another word that comes to mind is "mature". Rush continued to evolve musically for their entire run, so logically this final album is their "final form". So much music, so well produced, so refined. I keep things on Shuffle in my car, and today the live version of "What You're Doing" came up, and I briefly considered how much their sound evolved over the years, yet still kept something at its core that could always be identified as Rush. What an amazing band! ♫♫
The music is a bit too dense for my liking. Would love to hear this one remixed to be a bit less sludgy. It’s a good album, but I rarely choose to listen to it.
One of these days I'm going to have a go at remastering Clockwork Angels.I put on Clockwork Angels yesterday for the first time in a while. Listened to the whole album, loud. Wow! It's a given that the later the album, the less time I've had to absorb it, and some of the later ones never really got into regular rotation, not like back in the 70's or even the 80's. So this was not totally unlike checking it out again for the first time. Has it been nearly 10 years? Damn!
It is of course packed with solid musicianship, solid writing, and all the amazing stuff that makes Rush one of the best bands of all time. In fact, "packed" and "solid" have multiple meanings here. The music overall feels very dense. Alex's guitar sounds are very compressed, covering a lot of sonic range. Neil's percussion as usual fills its space, and Geddy's bass and keyboards provide a solid foundation.
Another word that comes to mind is "mature". Rush continued to evolve musically for their entire run, so logically this final album is their "final form". So much music, so well produced, so refined. I keep things on Shuffle in my car, and today the live version of "What You're Doing" came up, and I briefly considered how much their sound evolved over the years, yet still kept something at its core that could always be identified as Rush. What an amazing band! ♫♫
The music is a bit too dense for my liking. Would love to hear this one remixed to be a bit less sludgy. It’s a good album, but I rarely choose to listen to it.
It's almost unlistenable for my ears, way too dense, loud and brick walled to the max, as bad if not worse as the original Vapor Trails.
Maybe he can fix Power Windows too.
Maybe he can fix Power Windows too.I'm almost affraid to ask what you would want me to do with it.
Maybe he can fix Power Windows too.I'm almost affraid to ask what you would want me to do with it.
Maybe he can fix Power Windows too.
Maybe he can fix Power Windows too.
Maybe he can fix Power Windows too.
The problems with Power Windows aren't fixable by remastering (or remixing). GUP, on the other hand, could greatly benefit from a remix.
I think Clockwork Angels is awesome. :)The Wreckers is a criminally underrated song. That should be a staple on regular airplay rock stations. Same with Headlong Flight and The Garden.
This recording sounds AMAZING for its age. I really hope the whole show surfaces soon! Is there any information regarding the setlist?
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/rush/1976/randhurst-twin-ice-arena-mount-prospect-il-3bdb0cc8.html
Thanks! Looking at the song stats for ITIGB, I see it's listed as having been performed three times. The second show is REALLY interesting (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/rush/1976/massey-hall-toronto-on-canada-43d39797.html), with performances of "Making Memories" and "The Fountain Of Lamneth". Surely this is *THE* Holy Grail show for early Rush bootleg collectors, assuming the setlist is accurate. It looks like a headlining COS Tour show, and I'm sure there weren't many of those.
-Marc.
This recording sounds AMAZING for its age. I really hope the whole show surfaces soon! Is there any information regarding the setlist?
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/rush/1976/randhurst-twin-ice-arena-mount-prospect-il-3bdb0cc8.html
Thanks! Looking at the song stats for ITIGB, I see it's listed as having been performed three times. The second show is REALLY interesting (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/rush/1976/massey-hall-toronto-on-canada-43d39797.html), with performances of "Making Memories" and "The Fountain Of Lamneth". Surely this is *THE* Holy Grail show for early Rush bootleg collectors, assuming the setlist is accurate. It looks like a headlining COS Tour show, and I'm sure there weren't many of those.
-Marc.
The Randhurst show was posted 10 days ago...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIrDnJ2wbE4
There's no question this was recorded on 3/5/1976. The setlist throws serious doubt on the belief "the 2112 tour" had actually began at this point in time.
My guess is that their residency at the Starwood in West Hollywood may have been when 2112 material was introduced. Four dates with all their equipment set up would have given the band and crew production rehearsals during the day to get the show where they wanted it. Poster from the Starwood shows uses their portrait from 2112. I'd say this concert is a CoS show.
We have to remember that most of the starting and ending dates of the early tours are speculative and based on poor documentation. It seems possible such definitive dates may just be arbitrary afterthoughts and weren't really "set" things by the band until around when the ATWAS tour clearly ended in June 1977, and the ATFK tour started in August 1977. The band toured so much in the early days, it all kind of blurs together. The "official" dates have even confusingly been changed a few times as well. The official Rush website and the "Wandering The Face of the Earth" book are quite different, but both are officially recognized sources. Though both sources currently list March 5 under the 2112 tour. The Rush website is known for having a fair bit of errors and omissions, and we know the "Wandering" book was very well researched and improved upon a lot of the mistakes, etc from the Rush site's listing in regards to gig dates and locations. The fact is, no one knows for certain about the early tours' date boundaries, despite what is presented with the various sources. The Wandering book even notes it is hard to nail it down precisely.
I easily fall with the line of thinking of AnalogKidAudioVideo and Belexes in that this feels very likely to be the COS tour. Rush took off from touring following January 10 of 1976, the supposed end of the COS tour, and didn't hit the road again until February 6. This month of downtime the band recorded the 2112 album, though the album was not released until some time in very late March (no one knows exactly when, just sometime between March 20-something and April 1). With close analysis of the setlist here at the Randhurst Arena, and comparing details closely with the Rockford '75 tape, this is clearly a COS setlist. I think it makes sense the band just hit the road again and continued trying to promote COS a bit longer with the COS setlists until closer to the new album release. In the eyes of the band the 2112 tour would've started when they introduced the new material to the setlist.
I can't imagine any 2112 track would've been played at a gig preceding this one, and then left out again during this concert. If anything, I would've expected an early performance of Something For Nothing would have been put into the set, which easily could've been done versus something like Bald or Fly By Night. The fact they would even be playing an infruquently played song like Bald over a new track like SFN speaks for itself. AKAV previously spoke about the Starwood gigs between March 15 and 18, as explained by Belexes, which I also feel would possibly be the "proper" start of the 2112 tour. We do know the standard 2112 tour setlist was implemented by March 26 at the latest, and research based on the consecutive gigs co-billed with Styx and opened with Sutherland Brothers and Quiver, it would indicate they were likely at least playing the 2112 setlist as early as March 21.
Anyway, I could go on but I didn't intend to make too much of a long-winded response. I've discussed this in greater detail elsewhere. I really just wanted to summarize the idea here since a lot of people are going to be bringing up the topic of the tour in question, and will run across these comments.
I put on Clockwork Angels yesterday for the first time in a while. Listened to the whole album, loud. Wow! It's a given that the later the album, the less time I've had to absorb it, and some of the later ones never really got into regular rotation, not like back in the 70's or even the 80's. So this was not totally unlike checking it out again for the first time. Has it been nearly 10 years? Damn!
It is of course packed with solid musicianship, solid writing, and all the amazing stuff that makes Rush one of the best bands of all time. In fact, "packed" and "solid" have multiple meanings here. The music overall feels very dense. Alex's guitar sounds are very compressed, covering a lot of sonic range. Neil's percussion as usual fills its space, and Geddy's bass and keyboards provide a solid foundation.
Another word that comes to mind is "mature". Rush continued to evolve musically for their entire run, so logically this final album is their "final form". So much music, so well produced, so refined. I keep things on Shuffle in my car, and today the live version of "What You're Doing" came up, and I briefly considered how much their sound evolved over the years, yet still kept something at its core that could always be identified as Rush. What an amazing band! ♫♫
I think Clockwork Angels is awesome. :)The Wreckers is a criminally underrated song. That should be a staple on regular airplay rock stations. Same with Headlong Flight and The Garden.
Looking forward to a great tribute to The Professor tonight! Anyone else able to attend?
Really fun evening of Rush music last night! the Keswick was packed with die hard Rush fans, many of them sporting their really cool Rush gear. I broke out my R40 jersey that I don't wear very often.
The first set was YYNOT performing some great Rush covers as well as a few originals. I was really impressed with Patty, the singer. She had a very powerful voice and brought great energy to the classic songs I have loved for so long. She had a great stage presence and danced around all night, really looking like she was loving it.
The second set kicked off with John Wesley and Frank Bello joining the band (drummer and singer) for 2 songs. Next was Joe Bergamini drums for 2 songs followed by Seven Antonopolos who was a beast on drums. Next up was Jason Bittner who was really powerful on the drums. When you see top level musicians playing Rush you can really see just how hard this music is to replicate properly! Somewhere in here was Jon Dinklage who guested on violin for a really great version of Losing It. The last guest drummer was none other than Mr. Mike Portnoy who garnered a great crowd response. I could feel his anxiety as they kicked off 2112. He motioned to the YYNOT guys that he wanted to have a visual on the syncopated beginning and they both turned around to play to the crowd! I'm sure he didn't want to be the guy that messed up a NP part! It turned out great though. Michael Mossberg came out and said a few words about donating to Cedar Sinai as well as the bass player giving a few shout outs but it would have been nice to have a few NP visuals and maybe have the guests say a few words about Neil. I wanted to get a shirt but the merch line was crazy going in and even crazier after the show as all the musicians were making themselves available to meet the fans. I will just make a donation on line.
Overall a great evening and i would definitely see YYNOT next time they make their way through the area.
Nothing from the last 30 years of their 40-year history played? Ugh, how boringly predictable.
Wait john Wesley was there? The same John that toured with Porcupine Tree?
Nothing from the last 30 years of their 40-year history played? Ugh, how boringly predictable.
Rush really should have played Available Light. One of their best songs.
I think it is possible, probably even more than likely, that no one in the band had the affection for the song that many fans do. If so, they probably would have found a way to play it at some point, high note or not. I don't recall ever seeing any of the three saying anything about the song in any interviews, so I would say there is a good chance they simply viewed it as one of their solid cuts from a later album, and it's clear that they weren't one of those "let's put one of the best songs in the last spot on the album" bands considering only one album after 1985 saw its last song ever played live (The Garden from Clockwork Angels)
Probably a combination of factors (Geddy's ability to hit the high note, piano featured heavily in the song, band not as high on it as the fans) led to them not playing it live. It's probably one of those songs that's just hard to recreate live properly.I think it is possible, probably even more than likely, that no one in the band had the affection for the song that many fans do. If so, they probably would have found a way to play it at some point, high note or not. I don't recall ever seeing any of the three saying anything about the song in any interviews, so I would say there is a good chance they simply viewed it as one of their solid cuts from a later album, and it's clear that they weren't one of those "let's put one of the best songs in the last spot on the album" bands considering only one album after 1985 saw its last song ever played live (The Garden from Clockwork Angels)
Neil spoke highly of the song (and Geddy’s performance) in one of his books (Traveling Music I think).
Probably a combination of factors (Geddy's ability to hit the high note, piano featured heavily in the song, band not as high on it as the fans) led to them not playing it live. It's probably one of those songs that's just hard to recreate live properly.I think it is possible, probably even more than likely, that no one in the band had the affection for the song that many fans do. If so, they probably would have found a way to play it at some point, high note or not. I don't recall ever seeing any of the three saying anything about the song in any interviews, so I would say there is a good chance they simply viewed it as one of their solid cuts from a later album, and it's clear that they weren't one of those "let's put one of the best songs in the last spot on the album" bands considering only one album after 1985 saw its last song ever played live (The Garden from Clockwork Angels)
Neil spoke highly of the song (and Geddy’s performance) in one of his books (Traveling Music I think).
Probably a combination of factors (Geddy's ability to hit the high note, piano featured heavily in the song, band not as high on it as the fans) led to them not playing it live. It's probably one of those songs that's just hard to recreate live properly.I think it is possible, probably even more than likely, that no one in the band had the affection for the song that many fans do. If so, they probably would have found a way to play it at some point, high note or not. I don't recall ever seeing any of the three saying anything about the song in any interviews, so I would say there is a good chance they simply viewed it as one of their solid cuts from a later album, and it's clear that they weren't one of those "let's put one of the best songs in the last spot on the album" bands considering only one album after 1985 saw its last song ever played live (The Garden from Clockwork Angels)
Neil spoke highly of the song (and Geddy’s performance) in one of his books (Traveling Music I think).
Yeah, that’s a good point about the piano/keys. Not sure they couldn’t have triggered some of it like they did other keyboard heavy tracks, but probably all of that and Presto being nobody’s favorite (the band that is, I love it) probably kept them from ever considering it.
Someone did a closing track survivor on the Rush subreddit. It stalled out about a week ago, but the results of the first seven rounds wereI always really liked Everyday Glory
...
14T. In the End
14T. Everyday Glory
15. You Bet Your Life
16. High Water
17. We Hold On
18. Out of the Cradle
19. Carve Away the Stone
I was seriously bummed to see Out of the Cradle go out so early and to see In the End and Everyday Glory go out while Mystic Rhythms and The Garba...err...Garden remain.
Also, I believe that In the End was the only one of the eliminated songs to have been played live.
Someone did a closing track survivor on the Rush subreddit. It stalled out about a week ago, but the results of the first seven rounds wereI always really liked Everyday Glory
...
14T. In the End
14T. Everyday Glory
15. You Bet Your Life
16. High Water
17. We Hold On
18. Out of the Cradle
19. Carve Away the Stone
I was seriously bummed to see Out of the Cradle go out so early and to see In the End and Everyday Glory go out while Mystic Rhythms and The Garba...err...Garden remain.
Also, I believe that In the End was the only one of the eliminated songs to have been played live.
I honestly don't think there was any song in Rush's catalog that they could reproduce live and do it justice. Instrumentally, the band was just on another level from other bands up to the day they called it quits. I mean, obviously health issues were starting to take a toll on Neil and Alex being able to perform at such a high level night after night.Probably a combination of factors (Geddy's ability to hit the high note, piano featured heavily in the song, band not as high on it as the fans) led to them not playing it live. It's probably one of those songs that's just hard to recreate live properly.I think it is possible, probably even more than likely, that no one in the band had the affection for the song that many fans do. If so, they probably would have found a way to play it at some point, high note or not. I don't recall ever seeing any of the three saying anything about the song in any interviews, so I would say there is a good chance they simply viewed it as one of their solid cuts from a later album, and it's clear that they weren't one of those "let's put one of the best songs in the last spot on the album" bands considering only one album after 1985 saw its last song ever played live (The Garden from Clockwork Angels)
Neil spoke highly of the song (and Geddy’s performance) in one of his books (Traveling Music I think).
I think You Bet Your Life should have gone out in the first round.
But The Garden rules. :)
I think You Bet Your Life should have gone out in the first round.
But The Garden rules. :)
No offense, Lethean, but The Gardenmight beis, without question, the most over-rated* song in the Rush catalogue.
I love The Garden and happen to think it's a fitting closer to a career.
I love The Garden and happen to think it's a fitting closer to a career.I agree emtee. Is it one of their best songs ever? No, definitely not. Is it a poignant closing song to a 40+ year career (and a very good song at that)? Yes
I love The Garden and happen to think it's a fitting closer to a career.
It may be, third only to "Fading Lights" by Genesis (marred by the presence of Calling All Stations, but I'll credit Phil for knowing it was it) and "Adiós" by Glen Campbell (released barely two months before his passing from Alzheimers). But it's still overrated. ;)
I love The Garden and happen to think it's a fitting closer to a career.I agree emtee. Is it one of their best songs ever? No, definitely not. Is it a poignant closing song to a 40+ year career (and a very good song at that)? Yes
The Garden is the right song, on the right place, on the right album, at the right point in a band's career. Sometimes all those stars aligning give a song a significant boost.
The Endless River ruined what should be the flag bearer for elite level final songs on a band's final album.
The Garden is the right song, on the right place, on the right album, at the right point in a band's career. Sometimes all those stars aligning give a song a significant boost.
I love The Garden and happen to think it's a fitting closer to a career.I agree emtee. Is it one of their best songs ever? No, definitely not. Is it a poignant closing song to a 40+ year career (and a very good song at that)? Yes
The Garden is the right song, on the right place, on the right album, at the right point in a band's career. Sometimes all those stars aligning give a song a significant boost.
The Garden is the right song, on the right place, on the right album, at the right point in a band's career. Sometimes all those stars aligning give a song a significant boost.
This. Lyrically, it's as good as anything Neil ever wrote (imo). Performance-wise ... shit, they were all in their 60s, so I'm not going to try and compare their performance of songs from Perm Waves or Hemispheres. The guitar solo is the most emotive I've ever heard Alex play.
I think the scene from the book that this song tells simply amplifies my love for the song. I'm curious how many her have/have not read the book, and whether that makes a difference like it did/does for me.
The Garden is the right song, on the right place, on the right album, at the right point in a band's career. Sometimes all those stars aligning give a song a significant boost.
The Endless River ruined what should be the flag bearer for elite level final songs on a band's final album.
I was reading the posts and immediately thought of the Endless River. High Hopes was such a perfect way to end the Pink Floyd story that Endless River was never going to top it, it just took the wind out of the sails.
The Endless River is more like Led Zeppelin’s Coda….a posthumous release. I’m glad they released it, and I enjoy listening to it, but I’m not sure I consider it a proper album. It’s an afterthought.
Sorta like an epilogue is something that happens in the book after “The End”.
The Endless River is more like Led Zeppelin’s Coda….a posthumous release. I’m glad they released it, and I enjoy listening to it, but I’m not sure I consider it a proper album. It’s an afterthought.
Sorta like an epilogue is something that happens in the book after “The End”.
I get it, but it's still an album released under their name, so I have to consider it part of their discography. And while it could be considered an epilogue, which I am content with, it's still part of the story. I've never seen anything in a book after the words "The End."
And since we are getting off topic... f*@$ movies that have a scene after the credits.
The Garden is a fantastic album closer. It's a great way to end what ended up being their final album, and I personally feel that Peart sort of had that feeling of it possibly being their last album too. They weren't getting younger, and who knows when the band would've wanted to come together. Ending the band on this album was the best move for Rush.
The song talks about the passage of time, and it's as if it's told from the POV of someone who is older, someone who once dreamed of the future but now that future dream has become a memory of the past. It's a realization that the life lived is what it is, and through that journey, the treasures that measure life are love and respect.
It's like a contentment and acceptance of having lived the dream and wanting to settle someplace to "tend your own garden". As did Candide chose to settle on a farm near Constantinople.
Fresh from the oven:
NDV plays Neil Peart grooves from Hemispheres, Grace and Signals
Sorry I missed you Nick. Had third row right seats and didn't go anywhere during the intermission and we didn't hang around after the show. I had very low expectations but I really liked the bass player and the special guests in the second set. I was happy just to get a token post-Signals song. I wanted to experience Losing It again live for likely the last time in my life. Like you I was hoping to hear some stories from the people who knew Neil but it has been three years so maybe I should have been expecting that.Really fun evening of Rush music last night! the Keswick was packed with die hard Rush fans, many of them sporting their really cool Rush gear. I broke out my R40 jersey that I don't wear very often.
The first set was YYNOT performing some great Rush covers as well as a few originals. I was really impressed with Patty, the singer. She had a very powerful voice and brought great energy to the classic songs I have loved for so long. She had a great stage presence and danced around all night, really looking like she was loving it.
The second set kicked off with John Wesley and Frank Bello joining the band (drummer and singer) for 2 songs. Next was Joe Bergamini drums for 2 songs followed by Seven Antonopolos who was a beast on drums. Next up was Jason Bittner who was really powerful on the drums. When you see top level musicians playing Rush you can really see just how hard this music is to replicate properly! Somewhere in here was Jon Dinklage who guested on violin for a really great version of Losing It. The last guest drummer was none other than Mr. Mike Portnoy who garnered a great crowd response. I could feel his anxiety as they kicked off 2112. He motioned to the YYNOT guys that he wanted to have a visual on the syncopated beginning and they both turned around to play to the crowd! I'm sure he didn't want to be the guy that messed up a NP part! It turned out great though. Michael Mossberg came out and said a few words about donating to Cedar Sinai as well as the bass player giving a few shout outs but it would have been nice to have a few NP visuals and maybe have the guests say a few words about Neil. I wanted to get a shirt but the merch line was crazy going in and even crazier after the show as all the musicians were making themselves available to meet the fans. I will just make a donation on line.
Overall a great evening and i would definitely see YYNOT next time they make their way through the area.
I generally love the Keswick, but if there are a few downsides, the congestion around the merch/bar areas can be rough, and the bathroom situation is always especially atrocious.
Given this was originally YYNot show turned tribute, not surprised that there was no extra visual setup, but am surprised that no one had any short tributes about Neil. Especially from guys like Wesley and Portnoy who actually knew him.
But I had a great time, whole band was great, got a few deep cuts to actually be excited about, and the guests did a great job.
Nothing from the last 30 years of their 40-year history played? Ugh, how boringly predictable.
Nothing from the last 30 years of their 40-year history played? Ugh, how boringly predictable.
Yeah it bums me out when I see a tribute band just doing the same shit live the original band did. This is your chance to throw a bone to die-hards who never got to see stuff like Prime Mover or Chain Lightning or Cut To The Chase or Vapor Trail but it's just the same old late 70's/early 80's stuff Rush beat into the ground over the years. I like YYNOT's original stuff a lot but I think they could easily expand their live set to cover more ground.
I saw a Rush tribute band play in Delaware a few years ago that would do some fun, obscure stuff. You know what song got an insane amount of applause and cheers from the audience? Half The World. That stupid ass song got the entire crowd going wild, probably because of how unexpected it was. I don't like it much, but goddamn I was excited to hear it anyway. If people are seeing a Rush tribute band, I'd have to imagine they're beyond the point of casual and have a good grasp on most of the catalog. I get it, Tom Sawyer and The Spirit of Radio might get some more attention because they're well-known, but they're a tribute band. They have no responsibility or obligation to play the hits, they can do whatever the hell they want.
Someone did a closing track survivor on the Rush subreddit. It stalled out about a week ago, but the results of the first seven rounds wereI always really liked Everyday Glory
...
14T. In the End
14T. Everyday Glory
15. You Bet Your Life
16. High Water
17. We Hold On
18. Out of the Cradle
19. Carve Away the Stone
I was seriously bummed to see Out of the Cradle go out so early and to see In the End and Everyday Glory go out while Mystic Rhythms and The Garba...err...Garden remain.
Also, I believe that In the End was the only one of the eliminated songs to have been played live.
I’m a big fan of Every Day Glory as well as Carve Away The Stone and High Water.
The Garden is the right song, on the right place, on the right album, at the right point in a band's career. Sometimes all those stars aligning give a song a significant boost.
This. Lyrically, it's as good as anything Neil ever wrote (imo). Performance-wise ... shit, they were all in their 60s, so I'm not going to try and compare their performance of songs from Perm Waves or Hemispheres. The guitar solo is the most emotive I've ever heard Alex play.
I think the scene from the book that this song tells simply amplifies my love for the song. I'm curious how many her have/have not read the book, and whether that makes a difference like it did/does for me.
The Garden is a fantastic album closer. It's a great way to end what ended up being their final album, and I personally feel that Peart sort of had that feeling of it possibly being their last album too. They weren't getting younger, and who knows when the band would've wanted to come together. Ending the band on this album was the best move for Rush.
The song talks about the passage of time, and it's as if it's told from the POV of someone who is older, someone who once dreamed of the future but now that future dream has become a memory of the past. It's a realization that the life lived is what it is, and through that journey, the treasures that measure life are love and respect.
It's like a contentment and acceptance of having lived the dream and wanting to settle someplace to "tend your own garden". As did Candide chose to settle on a farm near Constantinople.
Here’s footage (multi shot) of Losing It from Bubba Bash. Fantastic!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FOE3AkKABvc
Here’s footage (multi shot) of Losing It from Bubba Bash. Fantastic!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FOE3AkKABvc
The Losing It cover was incredible, and Patty's voice on 2112 is insane. She is immensely talented and a great fit for the band
Agree with both of you. I usually don't like it when women cover Rush songs, but this chic's got an amazing voice for it. Very impressed!The Losing It cover was incredible, and Patty's voice on 2112 is insane. She is immensely talented and a great fit for the band
Losing It was a bit low for her range, but she killed it on Temples. I’d rather hear her sing it than Geddy!
Agree with both of you. I usually don't like it when women cover Rush songs, but this chic's got an amazing voice for it. Very impressed!The Losing It cover was incredible, and Patty's voice on 2112 is insane. She is immensely talented and a great fit for the band
Losing It was a bit low for her range, but she killed it on Temples. I’d rather hear her sing it than Geddy!
Someone did a closing track survivor on the Rush subreddit. It stalled out about a week ago, but the results of the first seven rounds wereI always really liked Everyday Glory
...
14T. In the End
14T. Everyday Glory
15. You Bet Your Life
16. High Water
17. We Hold On
18. Out of the Cradle
19. Carve Away the Stone
I was seriously bummed to see Out of the Cradle go out so early and to see In the End and Everyday Glory go out while Mystic Rhythms and The Garba...err...Garden remain.
Also, I believe that In the End was the only one of the eliminated songs to have been played live.
I’m a big fan of Every Day Glory as well as Carve Away The Stone and High Water.
I really like five of those....
Agree with both of you. I usually don't like it when women cover Rush songs, but this chic's got an amazing voice for it. Very impressed!The Losing It cover was incredible, and Patty's voice on 2112 is insane. She is immensely talented and a great fit for the band
Losing It was a bit low for her range, but she killed it on Temples. I’d rather hear her sing it than Geddy!
You guys mean Rush didn't have a woman singer?? ;DI used to work with a guy that thought Rush and Heart were the same band because the singers sounded "the same" :lol
You guys mean Rush didn't have a woman singer?? ;DI used to work with a guy that thought Rush and Heart were the same band because the singers sounded "the same" :lol
On a different note, I cracked open Rush's Golden Ale this weekend. Sat back with some friends and listened to a couple records. The beer is okay. It's a golden ale. You're paying for the Rush label. Anyone in the U.S. thinking of getting it, if you're a beer person, it isn't really anything spectacular. Decent, but dozens of beers taste just like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=481kX-gpGUk"I'm not really an expert on mustard...... but who is?"
"This is a love mustard, this Rush mustard"
"That's really a weird thing to say, Al."
Fresh from the oven:
NDV plays Neil Peart grooves from Hemispheres, Grace and Signals
Great stuff as always from Nick!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR1A2dEaiWDdbz89VaEPwdliV6q2iBXAE-Jco_Bex0NpsXtXgYIYkklMqJo&v=SfQLvDfb14A&feature=youtu.be
On a different note, I cracked open Rush's Golden Ale this weekend. Sat back with some friends and listened to a couple records. The beer is okay. It's a golden ale. You're paying for the Rush label. Anyone in the U.S. thinking of getting it, if you're a beer person, it isn't really anything spectacular. Decent, but dozens of beers taste just like it.
On a different note, I cracked open Rush's Golden Ale this weekend. Sat back with some friends and listened to a couple records. The beer is okay. It's a golden ale. You're paying for the Rush label. Anyone in the U.S. thinking of getting it, if you're a beer person, it isn't really anything spectacular. Decent, but dozens of beers taste just like it.
Kinda figured that but I'm not a beer drinker anyway. I AM interested in the mustard, however but haven't done anything about that yet.
I thought Power Windows was Satan's smegma.
I'd never seen this before. The statute on the right is of St. Bruno and is located in St. Peter's Basilica in Vatican City.
(https://i.redd.it/xdu0mjspl8fa1.jpg)
:rollinI'd never seen this before. The statute on the right is of St. Bruno and is located in St. Peter's Basilica in Vatican City.
(https://i.redd.it/xdu0mjspl8fa1.jpg)
Even in the 70s Hugh Syme was just copy-pasting other works!! What a hack!!!
-Marc.
Oh my. Poor Joe. Just a few weeks too late.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHilBwG26nE
Oh my. Poor Joe. Just a few weeks too late.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHilBwG26nE
Oh my. Poor Joe. Just a few weeks too late.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHilBwG26nE
RIP Mendelson Joe.
But yeah, I love the disappearing and reappearing upside down beer genius badges. Seems like Alex and Geddy have become the Canadian version of Bartles and Jaymes.
Oh my. Poor Joe. Just a few weeks too late.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHilBwG26nE
RIP Mendelson Joe.
But yeah, I love the disappearing and reappearing upside down beer genius badges. Seems like Alex and Geddy have become the Canadian version of Bartles and Jaymes.
Oh my. Poor Joe. Just a few weeks too late.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHilBwG26nE
I really hope these two make new beer commercials every month for the rest of time.
Oh my. Poor Joe. Just a few weeks too late.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHilBwG26nE
I really hope these two make new beer commercials every month for the rest of time.
I still can't believe it's already been 3 years since he passed. Still makes me sad. :(Oh my. Poor Joe. Just a few weeks too late.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHilBwG26nE
I really hope these two make new beer commercials every month for the rest of time.
Seems like a nice way to retire. Makes me sad thinking about Neil’s passing so soon after the band ended, but I’m glad Geddy and Alex are enjoying themselves.
Is there a known show from this tour that would make sense to be included? Not versed in the Rush bootleg scene.At the very least, you can be sure that they have some soundboard recordings of shows, even if there aren't any multi-track recordings. And given the way technology is today (just look at what they did with the Beatles documentary), they still could tweak the soundboard recording to improve it.
It seems like a pretty lame package, seems like they want to milk the back catalog but the vault is not large.
Oh I'd be all over the 2113 one! ;D
Yeah, I saw that and immediately thought "that's a hard pass for me!" No freaking way would I consider buying any of those. Really lame that they didn't include any sort of live disc. You'd think they would have known what really sells these packages. Hopefully they'll get the message. Already saw a lot of negative reactions to Rush's official Facebook post, so it's clear there's a lot of disappointment.
Is there a known show from this tour that would make sense to be included? Not versed in the Rush bootleg scene.At the very least, you can be sure that they have some soundboard recordings of shows, even if there aren't any multi-track recordings. And given the way technology is today (just look at what they did with the Beatles documentary), they still could tweak the soundboard recording to improve it.
It seems like a pretty lame package, seems like they want to milk the back catalog but the vault is not large.
Looks like a cash grab, which if they can I can't blame them.
Looks like a cash grab, which if they can I can't blame them.
So...do you think the band (Geddy & Alex) are directly involved in this or is it the "record company"?
I wonder how they really feel about it, because it's packages like this that make me lose respect for an artist. I can't behoove anyone from making money, and I can always choose not to purchase, but...things like this are so cheesy, bordering on classless.
Looks like a cash grab, which if they can I can't blame them.
So...do you think the band (Geddy & Alex) are directly involved in this or is it the "record company"?
I wonder how they really feel about it, because it's packages like this that make me lose respect for an artist. I can't behoove anyone from making money, and I can always choose not to purchase, but...things like this are so cheesy, bordering on classless.
They are not. And I know that from two sources: Hugh Syme confirmed this to me when I interviewed him about the Rush covers and asked about these reissues; and Andy Curran, who is in Envy of None with Alex and was Rush's A&R guy for ages, left Anthem Records when Rush called it quits in 2015. The band is no longer involved in the decisions about their catalogue.
Looks like a cash grab, which if they can I can't blame them.
So...do you think the band (Geddy & Alex) are directly involved in this or is it the "record company"?
I wonder how they really feel about it, because it's packages like this that make me lose respect for an artist. I can't behoove anyone from making money, and I can always choose not to purchase, but...things like this are so cheesy, bordering on classless.
They are not. And I know that from two sources: Hugh Syme confirmed this to me when I interviewed him about the Rush covers and asked about these reissues; and Andy Curran, who is in Envy of None with Alex and was Rush's A&R guy for ages, left Anthem Records when Rush called it quits in 2015. The band is no longer involved in the decisions about their catalogue.
Looks like a cash grab, which if they can I can't blame them.
So...do you think the band (Geddy & Alex) are directly involved in this or is it the "record company"?
I wonder how they really feel about it, because it's packages like this that make me lose respect for an artist. I can't behoove anyone from making money, and I can always choose not to purchase, but...things like this are so cheesy, bordering on classless.
They are not. And I know that from two sources: Hugh Syme confirmed this to me when I interviewed him about the Rush covers and asked about these reissues; and Andy Curran, who is in Envy of None with Alex and was Rush's A&R guy for ages, left Anthem Records when Rush called it quits in 2015. The band is no longer involved in the decisions about their catalogue.
I would assume most of the time these things would be record company driven. I guess the band would know all this and the possibilities of these sorts of things from the get go, but would still be slightly irritating if I were Alex and Geddy.
I thought I read an interview with Geddy where he said he and Alex are asked if something can be released and they give a "yes" or "no," but other than that, they are not involved.Interesting! If you can recall which interview this was, please share..
Looks like a cash grab, which if they can I can't blame them. The artwork looks cool and all, but I can't justify spending that kind of money. There are plenty of hard core Rush fans with deep pockets that will have to have this in their collection.
I'd rather hear new material from Geddy and Alex anytime..
The Snowdogs! :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LHFhC-hx14
The Snowdogs! :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LHFhC-hx14
OK...the kid coming out to sing Temples with his hoodie had me laughing the whole time. As did "kneel pert." :lol But not bad at all.
Yeah I think that kid was trying to conceal his identity by pulling the hoodie down over his face lol. Other than that, surpisingly not bad!The Snowdogs! :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LHFhC-hx14
OK...the kid coming out to sing Temples with his hoodie had me laughing the whole time. As did "kneel pert." :lol But not bad at all.
Yeah I think that kid was trying to conceal his identity by pulling the hoodie down over his face lol. Other than that, surpisingly not bad!The Snowdogs! :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LHFhC-hx14
OK...the kid coming out to sing Temples with his hoodie had me laughing the whole time. As did "kneel pert." :lol But not bad at all.
Signals 40th anniversary stand alone CD is coming to Japan at the end of next month, $18US plus shipping, a far cheaper option than the SDE.
https://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/UICY-16156?utm_source=MAIL&utm_medium=text-artistmail&utm_campaign=Rush-20230404-person_prod-UICY-16156
Signals 40th anniversary stand alone CD is coming to Japan at the end of next month, $18US plus shipping, a far cheaper option than the SDE.
https://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/UICY-16156?utm_source=MAIL&utm_medium=text-artistmail&utm_campaign=Rush-20230404-person_prod-UICY-16156
Would love to hear the Atmos mix. This is the 2015 remaster (from CDJapan) so it's really nothing new. Between this release and PF"s Dark Side of the Moon boxset that was released last week also with an Atmos mix, I'm a bit pissed that only those mixes are available through the boxset.
Signals 40th anniversary stand alone CD is coming to Japan at the end of next month, $18US plus shipping, a far cheaper option than the SDE.
https://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/UICY-16156?utm_source=MAIL&utm_medium=text-artistmail&utm_campaign=Rush-20230404-person_prod-UICY-16156
Geddy's book is out on November 14.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CqvBN2EgWfP/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= (https://www.instagram.com/p/CqvBN2EgWfP/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=)
While I'd like a standalone CD, the cheapest shipping option is $11. I might just get the remaster from HD Tracks instead. That's what I did with the first few albums since they never got a CD release with the Abbey Road remaster.
While I'd like a standalone CD, the cheapest shipping option is $11. I might just get the remaster from HD Tracks instead. That's what I did with the first few albums since they never got a CD release with the Abbey Road remaster.
What else can you get for $11 these days?
Shipping from Japan is always expensive, besides it's bound to be a collectors items in the future, being SHM-CD and limited pressing.
Signals is the main feature of the latest PROG magazine, it's on the cover and features a decent article.Good question. I can only hope there will be enough backlash from the fans so that whoever's putting these things together realizes they screwed up and will remedy the problem for future 40th anniversary releases, assuming they continue to do them. I can almost see the failure or lack of success of the Signals reissue being an excuse for them to stop these reissues. "Well, the fans have spoken - everything after Moving Pictures won't sell like the earlier stuff..." ::)
Two things main things to take away, there are demo's and Terry Brown stated he'd like to remix the album.
So of course my question is, if the demo's still exist why aren't they included (from a historical perspective, the band don't release demo's) and why isn't there a TB remix included the deluxe box?
At the end of the day, we all know Rush doesn't have very much in the way of demo/live/b-side archives.These days, I'd say take it a step further and release them as Atmos mixes, which include 5.1 mixes. I'd be curious what they could do with an Atmos mix. The difference would be subtle, but I'd be interested in hearing it.
There's only one way in my mind to give more value to the Rush catalog above what's already available. It's not artwork, big box sets, and certainly not new vinyl of old albums.
It's 5.1 mixes. That's it, that's the way to give old Rush stuff new life. Just take anything that doesn't already have a 5.1 release, release just that, and I'll gladly pay $30-50 per album.
And pay Steven Wilson to do the re-mixes.At the end of the day, we all know Rush doesn't have very much in the way of demo/live/b-side archives.These days, I'd say take it a step further and release them as Atmos mixes, which include 5.1 mixes. I'd be curious what they could do with an Atmos mix. The difference would be subtle, but I'd be interested in hearing it.
There's only one way in my mind to give more value to the Rush catalog above what's already available. It's not artwork, big box sets, and certainly not new vinyl of old albums.
It's 5.1 mixes. That's it, that's the way to give old Rush stuff new life. Just take anything that doesn't already have a 5.1 release, release just that, and I'll gladly pay $30-50 per album.
Even just regular stereo remixes would be cool, other than Counterparts pretty much everything past Hold Your Fire is pretty iffy sounding. They could breathe new life into Presto or add some clarity to Clockwork Angels. Even Vapor Trails, while the remix was pretty decent, is still not a very good sounding album.
Even just regular stereo remixes would be cool, other than Counterparts pretty much everything past Hold Your Fire is pretty iffy sounding. They could breathe new life into Presto or add some clarity to Clockwork Angels. Even Vapor Trails, while the remix was pretty decent, is still not a very good sounding album.
Even just regular stereo remixes would be cool, other than Counterparts pretty much everything past Hold Your Fire is pretty iffy sounding. They could breathe new life into Presto or add some clarity to Clockwork Angels. Even Vapor Trails, while the remix was pretty decent, is still not a very good sounding album.
I don't have faith that we'd get improvements, though. Rush seemingly forgot how to make a record sound great once they got back together in the early 2000s (even the mixes of the original VHS's from the 80s for the DVD releases were all downgrades), and if they hand them to a producer/mixer of the modern era, they will likely make it sound muddy and loud.
"Hey, it’s spring and you know what that means…time for yet another incredibly delicious brew from the folks at Henderson Brewery. You probably won’t believe this but Ged and I spent weeks, twenty-four hours a day sweating over steaming vats of swirling Belgian style ale, slowly cooked to perfection. We even spent hours lifting weights just to make it stronger. It was going great and then all of a sudden, they stick skulls on the label! Skulls, I tells ya!
Xanabrew, the new, tasty Rush brew that’s almost too scary to drink!"
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I'll get excited when the Rush beer is available in the U.S.
I recently got the Permanent Waves 40th Anniversary box set from Amazon ($125 after tax) and I opened it up last night. What a nice set it is, and the vinyl-sized artbook is a nice touch. I love all the new graphics and art for each song. I haven't had time to read the essays and liner notes in the book, but I look forward to it.
I also love GUP, maybe my fave from keyboard era! My take about this new anniversary editions is simple: if they release them with a show from the tour (at least until T4E - since from VT on, we already have really nice live releases), I'll buy the 2 or 3 CD version of it. If not, I'll forget it (sorry, Signals).
I also love GUP, maybe my fave from keyboard era! My take about this new anniversary editions is simple: if they release them with a show from the tour (at least until T4E - since from VT on, we already have really nice live releases), I'll buy the 2 or 3 CD version of it. If not, I'll forget it (sorry, Signals).
I'll get excited when the Rush beer is available in the U.S.
You can order it online. They ship to the U.S.
So, we're paying $125 for a book on Permanent Waves?
So, we're paying $125 for a book on Permanent Waves?
Either that or $145 for a 12-pack. :)
I recently got the Permanent Waves 40th Anniversary box set from Amazon ($125 after tax) and I opened it up last night. What a nice set it is, and the vinyl-sized artbook is a nice touch. I love all the new graphics and art for each song. I haven't had time to read the essays and liner notes in the book, but I look forward to it.
I really love that set as well, Marc. I got it "damaged" from Amazon a while back for 100 bucks, and nothing was damaged much. Just a nicked corner of the package. Love all of it. Really a nice job.
I haven't plunked down the cash for Signals. 212 seems a bit pricey to me, and my level of fandom, for what I get with it. I love live material. I don't really play 7" vinyl, nor Blu-Ray Audio, honestly. Once in a while, sure. Maybe I should more. But we'll see. I'll see fi the price comes down a chunk and consider it.
Any of you Rush fanatics have a take on what Rush may (or may not) do for Grace Under Pressure? I absolutely adore that album. I have the original vinyl and CD, but hoping for a big anniversary release on that one.
I'll get excited when the Rush beer is available in the U.S.
You can order it online. They ship to the U.S.
I can order a collection that includes nine 0.5 liter bottles and three 12 ounce bottles for $145 (including shipping), so let me re-phrase: I'll get excited when the Rush beer is available to me for a non-absurd price.
I'll get excited when the Rush beer is available in the U.S.
You can order it online. They ship to the U.S.
I can order a collection that includes nine 0.5 liter bottles and three 12 ounce bottles for $145 (including shipping), so let me re-phrase: I'll get excited when the Rush beer is available to me for a non-absurd price.
When I got mine it was like 75 bucks. 100 with shipping. Ordered last year, delayed, delivered in December 2022. So inflation caught up. :lol
Or pay $12 for Power Windows.
Or pay $12 for Power Windows.
Talk about overpriced!
Spewing a lot of bad takes today Nick!
Giving me the day off from it. :lol
King is about quantity where we are about quality.
King is about quantity where we are about quality.
My beer taste > your beer taste. Also....
So if understand the history correctly - Tim and pg are on the wrong side of this, and King knows what's right? :biggrin:
So if understand the history correctly - Tim and pg are on the wrong side of this, and King knows what's right? :biggrin:
Just like my signature below. Lol
King is about quantity where we are about quality.
King is about quantity where we are about quality.
, says the guy who likes KISS.
King is shifting his focus to quality and his quantity continues a sharp decline.
OK...does anyone have any sort of primary source for the actual release date of Permanent Waves?
I had long heard that it was released on new year's day 1980, but that seems absurd. Plenty of random sites still list 1/1/1980 as the release date. Wikipedia lists the release date as 1/18/1980 (a Friday) and cites an article in the January 12, 1980 issue of Music Week, which appears to have been a British music magazine. That article (on p. 2 of this pdf - chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Music-Week/1980/Music-Week-1980-01-12.pdf ) stated, "PHONOGRAM IS planning a heavy new advertising campaign for leading heavy metal group Rush who have a new album released on January 18 called Permanent Waves. . . . [P] The LP will be simultaneously released worldwide. . . ." However, I know that albums were sometimes released on different dates in the U.S./Canada and England.
Anyone?
2112.net/PowerWindows has the release date as 1/14/80 FWIW. I think I’d trust them.And RYM also shows 1/14/80.
http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/permanentwaves.html
Rush.com also says 1/14/80:
https://www.rush.com/albums/permanent-waves/
2112.net/PowerWindows has the release date as 1/14/80 FWIW. I think I’d trust them.
http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/permanentwaves.html
Rush.com also says 1/14/80:
https://www.rush.com/albums/permanent-waves/
2112.net/PowerWindows has the release date as 1/14/80 FWIW. I think I’d trust them.
http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/permanentwaves.html
Rush.com also says 1/14/80:
https://www.rush.com/albums/permanent-waves/
Yeah...the band itself is certainly a reliable source, and 2112.net has proven to be same over the years. On the other hand, 1/14/80 was a Monday....
I have no idea what "RYM" is.
In 1989, the recording industry settled on Tuesday as the day every retailer could start selling new releases at the same time — but that was just in the U.S. Albums came out on Mondays in the U.K. and Canada, Fridays in Australia and Germany. Recently, the industry decided it needed a global standard.[/i]
In 1989, the recording industry settled on Tuesday as the day every retailer could start selling new releases at the same time — but that was just in the U.S. Albums came out on Mondays in the U.K. and Canada, Fridays in Australia and Germany. Recently, the industry decided it needed a global standard.[/i]
I'm positive the Tuesday thing was a thing before 1989, but maybe it had standardized on a regional basis before then. Canada using Mondays explains the 1/14/1980 release date.
In 1989, the recording industry settled on Tuesday as the day every retailer could start selling new releases at the same time — but that was just in the U.S. Albums came out on Mondays in the U.K. and Canada, Fridays in Australia and Germany. Recently, the industry decided it needed a global standard.[/i]
I'm positive the Tuesday thing was a thing before 1989, but maybe it had standardized on a regional basis before then. Canada using Mondays explains the 1/14/1980 release date.
In 1989, the recording industry settled on Tuesday as the day every retailer could start selling new releases at the same time — but that was just in the U.S. Albums came out on Mondays in the U.K. and Canada, Fridays in Australia and Germany. Recently, the industry decided it needed a global standard.[/i]
I'm positive the Tuesday thing was a thing before 1989, but maybe it had standardized on a regional basis before then. Canada using Mondays explains the 1/14/1980 release date.
It was WELL before 1989, because in '89 I was a senior in college, and I was referring to the times I would go down to Graf Wadman Records in the mall in HIGH SCHOOL to get the latest releases. I started buying records in earnest in 1982.
In 1989, the recording industry settled on Tuesday as the day every retailer could start selling new releases at the same time — but that was just in the U.S. Albums came out on Mondays in the U.K. and Canada, Fridays in Australia and Germany. Recently, the industry decided it needed a global standard.[/i]
I'm positive the Tuesday thing was a thing before 1989, but maybe it had standardized on a regional basis before then. Canada using Mondays explains the 1/14/1980 release date.
It was WELL before 1989, because in '89 I was a senior in college, and I was referring to the times I would go down to Graf Wadman Records in the mall in HIGH SCHOOL to get the latest releases. I started buying records in earnest in 1982.
Yup. It was always Tuesdays growing up.
Another NPR article from 2010 that posits Tuesday was the de facto date both due to issues with weekend delivery/stocking and trying to game the Billboard system.
https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2010/09/08/129725205/why-albums-are-released-on-tuesdays
Just popping in to say how much more I appreciate and enjoy Caress Of Steel now than when I first discovered Rush over 20 years ago. Every song just hits me harder now, and it's easily my favorite of their first three albums. The more I've been listening to COS, the more I think I might like it over 2112 as a whole, whose second side is a bit hit-or-miss for me.
Just popping in to say how much more I appreciate and enjoy Caress Of Steel now than when I first discovered Rush over 20 years ago. Every song just hits me harder now, and it's easily my favorite of their first three albums. The more I've been listening to COS, the more I think I might like it over 2112 as a whole, whose second side is a bit hit-or-miss for me.
It's a tough call for me. In the recent Rush countdown, I ranked 2112 at #19 and The Fountain at #30. There aren't any throwaway sections in 2112, but The Fountain has Didacts and Panacea, and In the Valley and The Fountain are really similar. Overall...
19. 2112
27. The Necromancer
30. The Fountain of Lamneth
37. Bastille Day
50. A Passage to Bangkok
55. Lakeside Park (although the ATWAS version is MUCH better than the studio version)
65. The Twilight Zone
66. Something for Nothing
76. Tears
104. Lessons
134. I Think I'm Going Bald
Not entirely sure how that shakes out in terms of ranking them against each other, but I think it's really close, and the gap isn't anywhere near as big as it was back in the day.
I came to Caress of Steel very late (soon after Neil’s passing). I wasn’t enthusiastic about their other 70s albums and it had a poor reputation so it just wasn’t a priority. But I think it’s a pretty great album, and I prefer it to 2112 and AFTK, about even with Fly By Night. Probably would only rank it behind Hemispheres from the 70s albums.
Well, given that COS has three songs in your Top 50 against 2112's two, I'd say COS takes a bit of an edge over 2112. Granted, 2112 being at 19th gives it plenty of weight, but having three COS songs between 27th-37th is no light weight either. As for TFOL, I guess I don't mind "Didacts And Narpets" being a drummer, and I find it fascinating that Neil continued to incorporate part of that piece into his drum solos for YEARS after the COS Tour.
100% I'd go this way -Just popping in to say how much more I appreciate and enjoy Caress Of Steel now than when I first discovered Rush over 20 years ago. Every song just hits me harder now, and it's easily my favorite of their first three albums. The more I've been listening to COS, the more I think I might like it over 2112 as a whole, whose second side is a bit hit-or-miss for me.
It's a tough call for me. In the recent Rush countdown, I ranked 2112 at #19 and The Fountain at #30. There aren't any throwaway sections in 2112, but The Fountain has Didacts and Panacea, and In the Valley and The Fountain are really similar. Overall...
19. 2112
27. The Necromancer
30. The Fountain of Lamneth
37. Bastille Day
50. A Passage to Bangkok
55. Lakeside Park (although the ATWAS version is MUCH better than the studio version)
65. The Twilight Zone
66. Something for Nothing
76. Tears
104. Lessons
134. I Think I'm Going Bald
Not entirely sure how that shakes out in terms of ranking them against each other, but I think it's really close, and the gap isn't anywhere near as big as it was back in the day.
Well, given that COS has three songs in your Top 50 against 2112's two, I'd say COS takes a bit of an edge over 2112. Granted, 2112 being at 19th gives it plenty of weight, but having three COS songs between 27th-37th is no light weight either. As for TFOL, I guess I don't mind "Didacts And Narpets" being a drummer, and I find it fascinating that Neil continued to incorporate part of that piece into his drum solos for YEARS after the COS Tour.I came to Caress of Steel very late (soon after Neil’s passing). I wasn’t enthusiastic about their other 70s albums and it had a poor reputation so it just wasn’t a priority. But I think it’s a pretty great album, and I prefer it to 2112 and AFTK, about even with Fly By Night. Probably would only rank it behind Hemispheres from the 70s albums.
Interesting! I'd say that COS is about even with FBN for me as well, but I'd still put AFTK and HEMI above it. If I had to rank their 70s albums, it might look like:
AFTK
HEMI
COS
2112
FBN
RUSH
-Marc.
100% I'd go this way -Just popping in to say how much more I appreciate and enjoy Caress Of Steel now than when I first discovered Rush over 20 years ago. Every song just hits me harder now, and it's easily my favorite of their first three albums. The more I've been listening to COS, the more I think I might like it over 2112 as a whole, whose second side is a bit hit-or-miss for me.
It's a tough call for me. In the recent Rush countdown, I ranked 2112 at #19 and The Fountain at #30. There aren't any throwaway sections in 2112, but The Fountain has Didacts and Panacea, and In the Valley and The Fountain are really similar. Overall...
19. 2112
27. The Necromancer
30. The Fountain of Lamneth
37. Bastille Day
50. A Passage to Bangkok
55. Lakeside Park (although the ATWAS version is MUCH better than the studio version)
65. The Twilight Zone
66. Something for Nothing
76. Tears
104. Lessons
134. I Think I'm Going Bald
Not entirely sure how that shakes out in terms of ranking them against each other, but I think it's really close, and the gap isn't anywhere near as big as it was back in the day.
Well, given that COS has three songs in your Top 50 against 2112's two, I'd say COS takes a bit of an edge over 2112. Granted, 2112 being at 19th gives it plenty of weight, but having three COS songs between 27th-37th is no light weight either. As for TFOL, I guess I don't mind "Didacts And Narpets" being a drummer, and I find it fascinating that Neil continued to incorporate part of that piece into his drum solos for YEARS after the COS Tour.I came to Caress of Steel very late (soon after Neil’s passing). I wasn’t enthusiastic about their other 70s albums and it had a poor reputation so it just wasn’t a priority. But I think it’s a pretty great album, and I prefer it to 2112 and AFTK, about even with Fly By Night. Probably would only rank it behind Hemispheres from the 70s albums.
Interesting! I'd say that COS is about even with FBN for me as well, but I'd still put AFTK and HEMI above it. If I had to rank their 70s albums, it might look like:
AFTK
HEMI
COS
2112
FBN
RUSH
-Marc.
HEMI
AFTK
2112
COS
FBN
RUSH
So they got better with each album IMO. But I agree the overall point of the recent discussion, that COS is surely underrated, and often got a bad rap through the years.
I go..
Hemispheres
2112
FBN
Rush
AFTK
CoC
Nah, this is Tim we're talking about. We all know he was going for Caress of Carts. :biggrin:I go..
Hemispheres
2112
FBN
Rush
AFTK
CoC
Caress of Copper?
I go..
Hemispheres
2112
FBN
Rush
AFTK
CoC
Caress of Copper?
Just popping in to say how much more I appreciate and enjoy Caress Of Steel now than when I first discovered Rush over 20 years ago. Every song just hits me harder now, and it's easily my favorite of their first three albums. The more I've been listening to COS, the more I think I might like it over 2112 as a whole, whose second side is a bit hit-or-miss for me.
-Marc.
Just popping in to say how much more I appreciate and enjoy Caress Of Steel now than when I first discovered Rush over 20 years ago. Every song just hits me harder now, and it's easily my favorite of their first three albums. The more I've been listening to COS, the more I think I might like it over 2112 as a whole, whose second side is a bit hit-or-miss for me.
-Marc.
I'm not going to defend CoS, I think it gets ranked somewhat fairly. Certainly not among their best, but not a dumpster fire to be forgotten about as some like to do either. That said, I think in the mainstream aura at least, 2112 as an ALBUM is certainly overrated. The song is absolutely amazing, but the second side is inconsistent and uninspired by comparison for sure. While I prefer it to CoS overall, and it is fairly credited with the rebirth of the band, when it comes to their string of flawless classic era albums it should not be in the same breath as AFtK>MP.
Agreed, which is why I think it was brilliance or pure luck that their first sixteen albums each had a live album to cap off every four studio albums. This made their first four albums, aka Sector 1, a good "set" by which 2112 caps it off. The same could be said for Sector 2 of AFTK-MP, where MP caps off that run. Sadly, both HYF and TFE aren't the best albums in their respective Sectors (IMO, though they have some great tracks, as a whole, I think I prefer POW and CP over the albums that followed them).
I wouldn't call Side 2 of 2112 inconsistent, as every song is, at the very least, good, but obviously none of them are super amazing like the Side 1 title track. I do have much love, however, for both The Twilight Zone and Tears.
I still find if fascinating that Hold Your Fire was Neil's favorite Rush album over the final years of his life (per a friend of his, who told the story after Neil's passing about how often he and Neil would listen to that record).
I thought HYF was acoustic.. :P
For me, the period between GUP and HYF is the absolute peak of Neil's abilities as a drummer and lyricist. So it makes sense that he liked HYF so much.I actually think Test for Echo was his peak for drumming. Not so much for lyrics though. I absolutely love HYF though.
For me, the period between GUP and HYF is the absolute peak of Neil's abilities as a drummer and lyricist. So it makes sense that he liked HYF so much.I actually think Test for Echo was his peak for drumming. Not so much for lyrics though. I absolutely love HYF though.
For me, the period between GUP and HYF is the absolute peak of Neil's abilities as a drummer and lyricist. So it makes sense that he liked HYF so much.I actually think Test for Echo was his peak for drumming. Not so much for lyrics though. I absolutely love HYF though.
Test For Echo has better drumming than..Permanenet Waves? Hemispheres? Moving Pictures?
Or Hemisphere's. There's some sick ass playing by all three of them on that album!For me, the period between GUP and HYF is the absolute peak of Neil's abilities as a drummer and lyricist. So it makes sense that he liked HYF so much.I actually think Test for Echo was his peak for drumming. Not so much for lyrics though. I absolutely love HYF though.
Test For Echo has better drumming than..Permanenet Waves? Hemispheres? Moving Pictures?
I'm with you on that. Moving Pictures for sure.
As someone who has been playing drums for 25 years now and has covered stuff by Tool live with a couple different bands in various local clubs, with the exception of a couple parts on Hemispheres that are really hard to replicate, I can play everything note for note on the drums on both Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures. To this day, there is stuff on Test for Echo that I still have no clue how to replicate. At least not perfectly.For me, the period between GUP and HYF is the absolute peak of Neil's abilities as a drummer and lyricist. So it makes sense that he liked HYF so much.I actually think Test for Echo was his peak for drumming. Not so much for lyrics though. I absolutely love HYF though.
Test For Echo has better drumming than..Permanenet Waves? Hemispheres? Moving Pictures?
As someone who has been playing drums for 25 years now and has covered stuff by Tool live with a couple different bands in various local clubs, with the exception of a couple parts on Hemispheres that are really hard to replicate, I can play everything note for note on the drums on both Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures. To this day, there is stuff on Test for Echo that I still have no clue how to replicate. At least not perfectly.For me, the period between GUP and HYF is the absolute peak of Neil's abilities as a drummer and lyricist. So it makes sense that he liked HYF so much.I actually think Test for Echo was his peak for drumming. Not so much for lyrics though. I absolutely love HYF though.
Test For Echo has better drumming than..Permanenet Waves? Hemispheres? Moving Pictures?
As someone who has been playing drums for 25 years now and has covered stuff by Tool live with a couple different bands in various local clubs, with the exception of a couple parts on Hemispheres that are really hard to replicate, I can play everything note for note on the drums on both Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures. To this day, there is stuff on Test for Echo that I still have no clue how to replicate. At least not perfectly.For me, the period between GUP and HYF is the absolute peak of Neil's abilities as a drummer and lyricist. So it makes sense that he liked HYF so much.I actually think Test for Echo was his peak for drumming. Not so much for lyrics though. I absolutely love HYF though.
Test For Echo has better drumming than..Permanenet Waves? Hemispheres? Moving Pictures?
Oh and this is also true and probably part of the problem for me figuring out the various parts. Just him taking a different approach. I mean, I bought the album the day it was released and have been listening to it ever since and some parts still confound me.As someone who has been playing drums for 25 years now and has covered stuff by Tool live with a couple different bands in various local clubs, with the exception of a couple parts on Hemispheres that are really hard to replicate, I can play everything note for note on the drums on both Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures. To this day, there is stuff on Test for Echo that I still have no clue how to replicate. At least not perfectly.For me, the period between GUP and HYF is the absolute peak of Neil's abilities as a drummer and lyricist. So it makes sense that he liked HYF so much.I actually think Test for Echo was his peak for drumming. Not so much for lyrics though. I absolutely love HYF though.
Test For Echo has better drumming than..Permanenet Waves? Hemispheres? Moving Pictures?
Wasn't T4E the album he recorded after "going back to school" and taking lessons from Freddie Gruber? Neil had mentioned how he had really changed the way he approached drumming...maybe not in a way that was immediately obvious from casual listening...
You all make very valid points. I'm just saying from a technical aspect, some of the stuff on T4E is much harder for me to wrap my head around.
Neil's drumming on TFE is definitely challenging in a different way. I think it's something more along the lines that those parts were harder to play but they sounded simple, in contrast to his earlier drum work in the 70s and 80s, where they sounded hard, but were just parts that were fast and fairly simple if you practice enough, start slowly and then bring it up to speed. There are just a lot of rhythmically complex or interesting patterns on TFE that set it apart, drumming wise, than most of Neil's previous work, especially his fills and grooves.
I think it goes without saying as well that "harder to play does not equal better."
Well, we already did the top Rush songs countdown last year, but maybe it is time to do the rank the albums countdown, yes?
Well, we already did the top Rush songs countdown last year, but maybe it is time to do the rank the albums countdown, yes?:tup
Well, we already did the top Rush songs countdown last year, but maybe it is time to do the rank the albums countdown, yes?
I wouldn't call Side 2 of 2112 inconsistent, as every song is, at the very least, good, but obviously none of them are super amazing like the Side 1 title track. I do have much love, however, for both The Twilight Zone and Tears.
I still find if fascinating that Hold Your Fire was Neil's favorite Rush album over the final years of his life (per a friend of his, who told the story after Neil's passing about how often he and Neil would listen to that record).
I think HYF is BY FAR the most misunderstood and underrated of their albums. I think that album has some of their best songwriting, and is the ONLY album in their catalogue that I would have LOVED to have heard them do acoustically.
I think it goes without saying as well that "harder to play does not equal better."
That, and I know for me on guitar some things are "hard" not because they are objectively difficult to play, but because for whatever reason it's "different" (I don't know the right word) than where my skill is. If that makes sense.
Well, we already did the top Rush songs countdown last year, but maybe it is time to do the rank the albums countdown, yes?
I am one of those weird Rush fans that has Test for Echo in my top 5 Rush albums. Alex's tone is great, Neil does some killer stuff (love watching the playthrough videos with some of these songs), and the music slaps. Yes the lyrics to Virtuality are quite dated, and I don't mind the Dog Years lyrics. It is just a really great album for me. Also, the cover art is one of my faves.Virtuality is a really fun track, and that main riff 💥. I don't see the lyrics as bad, they work for the song just fine. Dog years is a cool song too and sounds good cranked up loud (this applies even more so to Virtuallty).
Well, we already did the top Rush songs countdown last year, but maybe it is time to do the rank the albums countdown, yes?Count me in!
"Underrated" simply means you like it more than the consensus. I'm not sure what "misunderstood" means in this context.
I've told this story before, but through the '80s, I DESPERATELY wanted to like what Rush was releasing, even though I really didn't. Each of the three "synth era" albums (of which I don't consider Signals a part) was increasingly disappointing to me. One of my two best friends was a huge Rush fan like me (he was my best man and actually worked a Lock and Key reference into his toast at our wedding reception), but the other could take or leave them. I remember playing HYF for the second guy. When we got a few songs in, he commented, "if this wasn't Rush, you wouldn't even give it the time of day." I realized he was right. Of course, to each his own.
I think it goes without saying as well that "harder to play does not equal better."
That, and I know for me on guitar some things are "hard" not because they are objectively difficult to play, but because for whatever reason it's "different" (I don't know the right word) than where my skill is. If that makes sense.
Well, we already did the top Rush songs countdown last year, but maybe it is time to do the rank the albums countdown, yes?
Won't argue with the "underrated" definition. I think the "misunderstood" has to do with that lumping in with the synth era. I know it IS heavy on the synths, but to me it sounds different. I'm not a fan of Grace Under Pressure - what I would consider the "quintessential" synth album from the band. It is, to me, slight, and I intensely dislike the drum sounds. The lyrics, to me, reflect that "synth ethos", with a lot of single word or phrase-type lyrics (I'm thinking of Red Lenses, or Kid Gloves). HYF is, to me, different in EVERY way from P/G, even though instrumentally there are overlaps. If the Rush of 1976 was handed the sheet music to the songs on P/G I'm not sure they'd know what to do with them, or what the output would be, since I don't think those songs would translate; they're already guitar heavy, just in a different way. But I think if the Rush of 1976 was given the sheet music to the songs on HYF, they could dig right in and that would be an album to behold. I don't think it's just "because I like the songs". I didn't for the longest time. I can remember when I had the epiphany; I was painting my bedroom in my old house, and was doing my semiannual revisit of P/G. Then I went to HYF, and it was decidedly different.
Signals is definitely the Synth Era!
I'm with you I don't consider it "synth era" Rush. It's a bridge from their "greatest era" to the "syth era" IMOWon't argue with the "underrated" definition. I think the "misunderstood" has to do with that lumping in with the synth era. I know it IS heavy on the synths, but to me it sounds different. I'm not a fan of Grace Under Pressure - what I would consider the "quintessential" synth album from the band. It is, to me, slight, and I intensely dislike the drum sounds. The lyrics, to me, reflect that "synth ethos", with a lot of single word or phrase-type lyrics (I'm thinking of Red Lenses, or Kid Gloves). HYF is, to me, different in EVERY way from P/G, even though instrumentally there are overlaps. If the Rush of 1976 was handed the sheet music to the songs on P/G I'm not sure they'd know what to do with them, or what the output would be, since I don't think those songs would translate; they're already guitar heavy, just in a different way. But I think if the Rush of 1976 was given the sheet music to the songs on HYF, they could dig right in and that would be an album to behold. I don't think it's just "because I like the songs". I didn't for the longest time. I can remember when I had the epiphany; I was painting my bedroom in my old house, and was doing my semiannual revisit of P/G. Then I went to HYF, and it was decidedly different.
I don't agree, but fair enough (especially since I think I'm in the minority with not regarding Signals as "synth era"). A lot of what you wrote after that is very interesting to ponder and will make for a great discussion one of these days when I get to buy you a beer in person.
Signals is definitely the Synth Era!
Yes it is. I remember reading that Alex was disappointed that the guitars took the background over the keyboard on Signals. The compensated with GUP having the guitars up in the mix.
I'm with you I don't consider it "synth era" Rush. It's a bridge from their "greatest era" to the "syth era" IMOWon't argue with the "underrated" definition. I think the "misunderstood" has to do with that lumping in with the synth era. I know it IS heavy on the synths, but to me it sounds different. I'm not a fan of Grace Under Pressure - what I would consider the "quintessential" synth album from the band. It is, to me, slight, and I intensely dislike the drum sounds. The lyrics, to me, reflect that "synth ethos", with a lot of single word or phrase-type lyrics (I'm thinking of Red Lenses, or Kid Gloves). HYF is, to me, different in EVERY way from P/G, even though instrumentally there are overlaps. If the Rush of 1976 was handed the sheet music to the songs on P/G I'm not sure they'd know what to do with them, or what the output would be, since I don't think those songs would translate; they're already guitar heavy, just in a different way. But I think if the Rush of 1976 was given the sheet music to the songs on HYF, they could dig right in and that would be an album to behold. I don't think it's just "because I like the songs". I didn't for the longest time. I can remember when I had the epiphany; I was painting my bedroom in my old house, and was doing my semiannual revisit of P/G. Then I went to HYF, and it was decidedly different.
I don't agree, but fair enough (especially since I think I'm in the minority with not regarding Signals as "synth era"). A lot of what you wrote after that is very interesting to ponder and will make for a great discussion one of these days when I get to buy you a beer in person.
Signals is definitely the Synth Era!
Yes it is. I remember reading that Alex was disappointed that the guitars took the background over the keyboard on Signals. The compensated with GUP having the guitars up in the mix.
That's weird. My GUP doesn't have any guitars. :P
I'm with you I don't consider it "synth era" Rush. It's a bridge from their "greatest era" to the "syth era" IMOWon't argue with the "underrated" definition. I think the "misunderstood" has to do with that lumping in with the synth era. I know it IS heavy on the synths, but to me it sounds different. I'm not a fan of Grace Under Pressure - what I would consider the "quintessential" synth album from the band. It is, to me, slight, and I intensely dislike the drum sounds. The lyrics, to me, reflect that "synth ethos", with a lot of single word or phrase-type lyrics (I'm thinking of Red Lenses, or Kid Gloves). HYF is, to me, different in EVERY way from P/G, even though instrumentally there are overlaps. If the Rush of 1976 was handed the sheet music to the songs on P/G I'm not sure they'd know what to do with them, or what the output would be, since I don't think those songs would translate; they're already guitar heavy, just in a different way. But I think if the Rush of 1976 was given the sheet music to the songs on HYF, they could dig right in and that would be an album to behold. I don't think it's just "because I like the songs". I didn't for the longest time. I can remember when I had the epiphany; I was painting my bedroom in my old house, and was doing my semiannual revisit of P/G. Then I went to HYF, and it was decidedly different.
I don't agree, but fair enough (especially since I think I'm in the minority with not regarding Signals as "synth era"). A lot of what you wrote after that is very interesting to ponder and will make for a great discussion one of these days when I get to buy you a beer in person.
Yup...to me, Signals has FAR more in common with MP than with the three albums that followed.
I've seen folks group their albums (at least the first twelve or fifteen) into trios, and I can see it that way as well.
Rush-FBN-COS are very Zeppelin-inspired, proto-prog-metal sounding stuff.
2112-AFTK-HEMI are where they really dug their feet into the prog scene with sprawling epics, lush arrangements and complex orchestrations within the ensemble, along with the introduction of synths, bass pedals, and more auxiliary percussion by Neil.
PEW-MP-SIG, as stated earlier in this thread, kind of feels like the band taking a turn at the turn of the decade, writing more concise songs but still infusing them with progressive bridges and solos.
GUP-POW-HYF saw the band reach the heights of incorporating synths and keyboards to their sound, along with Neil bringing in electronic drums and synth percussion.
Presto-RTB-CP saw the band slowly moving back to their hard rock roots and dialing up Alex a bit more.
TFE-VT-S&A kind of don't really feel like a trio, but I could sense some similarities within those albums, but I'd say they're just as different as they are similar.
I think if it wasn't for the "live album every four studio albums" pattern they created for themselves up to Different Stages, fans might have seen their discography in this manner (in threes instead of fours).
I've seen folks group their albums (at least the first twelve or fifteen) into trios, and I can see it that way as well.
Rush-FBN-COS are very Zeppelin-inspired, proto-prog-metal sounding stuff.
2112-AFTK-HEMI are where they really dug their feet into the prog scene with sprawling epics, lush arrangements and complex orchestrations within the ensemble, along with the introduction of synths, bass pedals, and more auxiliary percussion by Neil.
PEW-MP-SIG, as stated earlier in this thread, kind of feels like the band taking a turn at the turn of the decade, writing more concise songs but still infusing them with progressive bridges and solos.
GUP-POW-HYF saw the band reach the heights of incorporating synths and keyboards to their sound, along with Neil bringing in electronic drums and synth percussion.
Presto-RTB-CP saw the band slowly moving back to their hard rock roots and dialing up Alex a bit more.
TFE-VT-S&A kind of don't really feel like a trio, but I could sense some similarities within those albums, but I'd say they're just as different as they are similar.
I think if it wasn't for the "live album every four studio albums" pattern they created for themselves up to Different Stages, fans might have seen their discography in this manner (in threes instead of fours).
I think that all makes a lot of sense, although I think T4E fits more with the prior group than with the 21st century albums.
It surprised fans because the keys were more prominent in the mix.
I can get on board with this for the first 12 albums. Actually grouping those 12 in threes makes more sense. But I agree with HOF and pg1067. Presto and Counterparts are nothing alike - and I can say the same for TFE and VP and S&A. If anything I'd say S&A and Clockwork Angels are "somewhat" similar sounding, but of course very different at the same time. I'd say the first 12 work well as trios though.I've seen folks group their albums (at least the first twelve or fifteen) into trios, and I can see it that way as well.
Rush-FBN-COS are very Zeppelin-inspired, proto-prog-metal sounding stuff.
2112-AFTK-HEMI are where they really dug their feet into the prog scene with sprawling epics, lush arrangements and complex orchestrations within the ensemble, along with the introduction of synths, bass pedals, and more auxiliary percussion by Neil.
PEW-MP-SIG, as stated earlier in this thread, kind of feels like the band taking a turn at the turn of the decade, writing more concise songs but still infusing them with progressive bridges and solos.
GUP-POW-HYF saw the band reach the heights of incorporating synths and keyboards to their sound, along with Neil bringing in electronic drums and synth percussion.
Presto-RTB-CP saw the band slowly moving back to their hard rock roots and dialing up Alex a bit more.
TFE-VT-S&A kind of don't really feel like a trio, but I could sense some similarities within those albums, but I'd say they're just as different as they are similar.
I think if it wasn't for the "live album every four studio albums" pattern they created for themselves up to Different Stages, fans might have seen their discography in this manner (in threes instead of fours).
I think that all makes a lot of sense, although I think T4E fits more with the prior group than with the 21st century albums.
Thus my comment about grouping either their first 12 or 15 albums together. I think from Neil's perspective, though, given his change of style and performance after his lessons with Gruber, I'd say TFE's drumming has more in common with the albums that followed than the ones that preceded it.
You could also say that the first trio are their Mid70s, then the Late 70s, then Early 80s with PEW/MP/SIG, then mid 80s, then Early 90s (Presto came out so close to 1990 that most fans forget it came out in 1989, especially since the Presto Tour began in February 1990.
-Marc.
I can get on board with this for the first 12 albums. Actually grouping those 12 in threes makes more sense. But I agree with HOF and pg1067. Presto and Counterparts are nothing alike - and I can say the same for TFE and VP and S&A. If anything I'd say S&A and Clockwork Angels are "somewhat" similar sounding, but of course very different at the same time. I'd say the first 12 work well as trios though.I've seen folks group their albums (at least the first twelve or fifteen) into trios, and I can see it that way as well.
Rush-FBN-COS are very Zeppelin-inspired, proto-prog-metal sounding stuff.
2112-AFTK-HEMI are where they really dug their feet into the prog scene with sprawling epics, lush arrangements and complex orchestrations within the ensemble, along with the introduction of synths, bass pedals, and more auxiliary percussion by Neil.
PEW-MP-SIG, as stated earlier in this thread, kind of feels like the band taking a turn at the turn of the decade, writing more concise songs but still infusing them with progressive bridges and solos.
GUP-POW-HYF saw the band reach the heights of incorporating synths and keyboards to their sound, along with Neil bringing in electronic drums and synth percussion.
Presto-RTB-CP saw the band slowly moving back to their hard rock roots and dialing up Alex a bit more.
TFE-VT-S&A kind of don't really feel like a trio, but I could sense some similarities within those albums, but I'd say they're just as different as they are similar.
I think if it wasn't for the "live album every four studio albums" pattern they created for themselves up to Different Stages, fans might have seen their discography in this manner (in threes instead of fours).
I think that all makes a lot of sense, although I think T4E fits more with the prior group than with the 21st century albums.
Thus my comment about grouping either their first 12 or 15 albums together. I think from Neil's perspective, though, given his change of style and performance after his lessons with Gruber, I'd say TFE's drumming has more in common with the albums that followed than the ones that preceded it.
You could also say that the first trio are their Mid70s, then the Late 70s, then Early 80s with PEW/MP/SIG, then mid 80s, then Early 90s (Presto came out so close to 1990 that most fans forget it came out in 1989, especially since the Presto Tour began in February 1990.
-Marc.
I also think the time between their last four albums really gave them a chance to grow and change as writers, so those last four all feel different from each other, for better or worse.
I also think the time between their last four albums really gave them a chance to grow and change as writers, so those last four all feel different from each other, for better or worse.
That's the interesting thing about Rush (and really a lot of bands of their vintage). Their career as recording artists spanned 38 years and 19 studio albums. However, they released 10 studio albums (more than half of their studio releases) in the first 10 years of that career and only 3 in the last 10 years. Of course, the last three albums were 2 minutes shy of having the same amount of music as the first five albums. The stylistic changes between Rush and GUP were massive, while the changes from VT through CA....
I agree that the albums are not all that similar. Vapor Trails, which is aging really well for me thanks to the remaster (NOT the remix), is unlike any other album they have done. I don't think it and S&A are that similar at all. While S&A has some rocking songs, it is generally pretty laid back by Rush standards and has a lot of acoustic guitar. VT oozes with fire and brimstone and rocks like crazy.I still don't understand what everyone's issue is with the remix, I like it better than any other version that's been released. :dunno:
I agree that the albums are not all that similar. Vapor Trails, which is aging really well for me thanks to the remaster (NOT the remix), is unlike any other album they have done. I don't think it and S&A are that similar at all. While S&A has some rocking songs, it is generally pretty laid back by Rush standards and has a lot of acoustic guitar. VT oozes with fire and brimstone and rocks like crazy.I still don't understand what everyone's issue is with the remix, I like it better than any other version that's been released. :dunno:
VT did desperately need a remix… but it needed an amazing remix and I don’t think that’s what we got.Agreed, I like the original sound better. The title track especially suffered in the remix. A bad quality reverb was added to Geds vocals.
I dunno, VT, S&A, and CA seem like three completely different beasts.
I think VT, SNA, and CA all inhabit the same general stylistic and sonic space. I think Counterparts and Test for Echo are also similar, but just better produced.To me, SNA and CA are somewhat similar sonically - whereas VT is completely different in every way from the other two.
I think VT, SNA, and CA all inhabit the same general stylistic and sonic space. I think Counterparts and Test for Echo are also similar, but just better produced.To me, SNA and CA are somewhat similar sonically - whereas VT is completely different in every way from the other two.
The Clockwork Angels tour was the muddiest sounding live show Ive ever heard from Rush. With all the advancements in technology by that time, what the heck happened?? You can't blame the venue because I've seen countless shows there before that were crystal clear (including several Rush shows).
The CA live blu-ray even has the same issues.
You are so right about that. The VHS version of Show of Hands sounds miles better than the dvd. The picture quality is also much better on the vhs. Did you notice that the vivid colors of the light show got lost on the dvd?The Clockwork Angels tour was the muddiest sounding live show Ive ever heard from Rush. With all the advancements in technology by that time, what the heck happened?? You can't blame the venue because I've seen countless shows there before that were crystal clear (including several Rush shows).
The CA live blu-ray even has the same issues.
Even when they did the transfer of the three 80s concerts over to DVD, none of them sounded as good as they did on the original VHS releases. Too bad cause A Show of Hands is by far most watched concert video ever, on the strength of how much I watched it in the 90s, but I rarely watch the DVD because of how frustrating the sound is.
You are so right about that. The VHS version of Show of Hands sounds miles better than the dvd. The picture quality is also much better on the vhs. Did you notice that the vivid colors of the light show got lost on the dvd?The Clockwork Angels tour was the muddiest sounding live show Ive ever heard from Rush. With all the advancements in technology by that time, what the heck happened?? You can't blame the venue because I've seen countless shows there before that were crystal clear (including several Rush shows).
The CA live blu-ray even has the same issues.
Even when they did the transfer of the three 80s concerts over to DVD, none of them sounded as good as they did on the original VHS releases. Too bad cause A Show of Hands is by far most watched concert video ever, on the strength of how much I watched it in the 90s, but I rarely watch the DVD because of how frustrating the sound is.
The transfer was poorly done..
Speaking of Rush live releases, I have the Rush R40 Bluray box set and I plan on watching a couple of the concerts again in the coming weeks.
How would you rank all the different concert movies?
We have:
Exit... Stage Left
A Show Of Hands
Rush In Rio
R30
Snakes & Arrows: Live
Time Machine 2011
Clockwork Angels Tour
R40: Live
Holy cow, man, you were there? :omg: What was it like? It's one of the craziest audiences I've ever seen on a live recording, which is surprising being that it is a Rush show. ;D
Speaking of Rush live releases, I have the Rush R40 Bluray box set and I plan on watching a couple of the concerts again in the coming weeks.
How would you rank all the different concert movies?
We have:
Exit... Stage Left
A Show Of Hands
Rush In Rio
R30
Snakes & Arrows: Live
Time Machine 2011
Clockwork Angels Tour
R40: Live
Speaking of Rush live releases, I have the Rush R40 Bluray box set and I plan on watching a couple of the concerts again in the coming weeks.
How would you rank all the different concert movies?
We have:
Exit... Stage Left
A Show Of Hands
Rush In Rio
R30
Snakes & Arrows: Live
Time Machine 2011
Clockwork Angels Tour
R40: Live
Speaking of Rush live releases, I have the Rush R40 Bluray box set and I plan on watching a couple of the concerts again in the coming weeks.
How would you rank all the different concert movies?
We have:
Exit... Stage Left
A Show Of Hands
Rush In Rio
R30
Snakes & Arrows: Live
Time Machine 2011
Clockwork Angels Tour
R40: Live
Speaking of Rush live releases, I have the Rush R40 Bluray box set and I plan on watching a couple of the concerts again in the coming weeks.
How would you rank all the different concert movies?
We have:
Exit... Stage Left
A Show Of Hands
Rush In Rio
R30
Snakes & Arrows: Live
Time Machine 2011
Clockwork Angels Tour
R40: Live
Um, that's a difficult one...I'm very fond of A Show of Hands, as I got that one on VHS when my Rush fandom was truly starting to explode. I'm also a big fan of the synth era, so that helps too.
Overall, though, Rush in Rio is probably the one I watched the most. Incredible vibe and performance on that one...might sound a little rougher (not surprising, given the circumstances) but, man, the energy on that one and the whole feedback loop with the audience...amazing stuff. Also, the documentary! I mean, as Rush has become "cool" (sort of) in the last decade and a half or so, we got used to having more access (from a media perspective, I mean), but at the time the "Boys in Brazil" doc was a pretty unprecedented in-depth look at the life on that tour for Rush, with interviews that were funny and insightful. Watched it many times.
R30 was very cool too, and sounded great. Didn't care for the Feedback tunes too much, though.
Interestingly, despite the fact that S&A is far from being a favorite, I think S&A Live is excellent - in fact, I'd dare say the performance captured on it is close to peak "new millennium" Rush (as least from the perspective of what I witnessed). Also, Geddy's vocals are still very good there - and unfortunately took a bit of a nosedive after that...
...which I guess brings me to the more recent concert DVDs...excellent setlists all around, great gigs (the Clockwork Angels and R40 concerts I went to were unbelievably good)...but never quite grabbed me the same way. Same thing for Time Machine.
I think it was a case of diminishing returns when releasing a live DVD (or Blu-Ray) became the norm in the music business. Clockwork Angels and R40 are excellent in their own way, although Ged's voice was really rough on both. But by the time those two were released, I was saturated with these all-encompassing releases. There are moments of brilliance in all their live videos of course, but at least in my view, they became less special at every release.
Um, that's a difficult one...I'm very fond of A Show of Hands, as I got that one on VHS when my Rush fandom was truly starting to explode.
This one and the Maiden show that would become the Rock in Rio release were my two best concert experiences ever, and I doubt anything else will top them...You basically attended my two favorite shows ever recorded for a DVD. Awesome stories, man. :tup
Neil seemed to be supercharged on the Presto tour. That was the best drum sound I ever heard from Rush followed closely by R30.
Neil seemed to be supercharged on the Presto tour. That was the best drum sound I ever heard from Rush followed closely by R30.
I saw that tour, and live you're right. I went back and listened to Presto the album for the ranking and was shocked to hear how thin it sounded. I even checked my EQ settings.
Neil seemed to be supercharged on the Presto tour. That was the best drum sound I ever heard from Rush followed closely by R30.
I saw that tour, and live you're right. I went back and listened to Presto the album for the ranking and was shocked to hear how thin it sounded. I even checked my EQ settings.
Oh, Presto is famously thin sounding, and that’s the one flaw in an otherwise amazing album. Someone here (Glasser I think) worked some audio magic on it and posted links to the files awhile back. What I heard sounded amazing. I wish they would get someone to do a full remix of this one because it really could use it.
I'll guess it could never be bricjwalled because it wasn't recorded at the levels as musuc in the 2000's.
I'll guess it could never be bricjwalled because it wasn't recorded at the levels as musuc in the 2000's.
I don't know how all that stuff works, but if they can do something to the sound to "beef it up", make it sound fuller, richer, something like that, then it seems possible to overdo it. Instead of just making things sound richer and fuller, they push everything to 11 and wreck it. That really does seem to be the trend as far as I can tell.
Hey, if someone wants to take a shot at it, that's fine. I'll check out the results and hear for myself. I guess I just don't have much faith that they'll do it right. And by "right" I mean in a way that I like. I've always got the original CD if they botch the remaster/remix.
I'll guess it could never be bricjwalled because it wasn't recorded at the levels as musuc in the 2000's.
I don't know how all that stuff works, but if they can do something to the sound to "beef it up", make it sound fuller, richer, something like that, then it seems possible to overdo it. Instead of just making things sound richer and fuller, they push everything to 11 and wreck it. That really does seem to be the trend as far as I can tell.
Hey, if someone wants to take a shot at it, that's fine. I'll check out the results and hear for myself. I guess I just don't have much faith that they'll do it right. And by "right" I mean in a way that I like. I've always got the original CD if they botch the remaster/remix.
Let Steven Wilson have a crack at it. I have faith in him, he'll make it sound better lolI'll guess it could never be bricjwalled because it wasn't recorded at the levels as musuc in the 2000's.
I don't know how all that stuff works, but if they can do something to the sound to "beef it up", make it sound fuller, richer, something like that, then it seems possible to overdo it. Instead of just making things sound richer and fuller, they push everything to 11 and wreck it. That really does seem to be the trend as far as I can tell.
Hey, if someone wants to take a shot at it, that's fine. I'll check out the results and hear for myself. I guess I just don't have much faith that they'll do it right. And by "right" I mean in a way that I like. I've always got the original CD if they botch the remaster/remix.
The actual volume levels on Presto are lovely! I wish more CDs were mixed at about that level. But I also agree with the sentiment that you almost can’t even hear the drums or the bass. They just sound very background. It seriously could’ve been beefed up a bit.
I'll guess it could never be bricjwalled because it wasn't recorded at the levels as musuc in the 2000's.
I don't know how all that stuff works, but if they can do something to the sound to "beef it up", make it sound fuller, richer, something like that, then it seems possible to overdo it. Instead of just making things sound richer and fuller, they push everything to 11 and wreck it. That really does seem to be the trend as far as I can tell.
Hey, if someone wants to take a shot at it, that's fine. I'll check out the results and hear for myself. I guess I just don't have much faith that they'll do it right. And by "right" I mean in a way that I like. I've always got the original CD if they botch the remaster/remix.
I was actually thinking about this general concept over the weekend. I listened to a bunch of different versions of Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition (including a couple of ELP's), which is pretty much my favorite piece of classical music. When it got to a couple of the particularly soft sections, I got to thinking what it would be like if classical recordings got uber compressed and brickwalled. Of course, it would sound awful. As to Presto, I love how it sounds. For my money, it's one of the better sounding non-Broon Rush albums, and the existence of breathing room is one reason why.
P.S. for anyone who cares, this was inspired by Doug Helvering doing a reaction video to ELP's "Pirates," which is my favorite ELP song.
I'll guess it could never be bricjwalled because it wasn't recorded at the levels as musuc in the 2000's.
I don't know how all that stuff works, but if they can do something to the sound to "beef it up", make it sound fuller, richer, something like that, then it seems possible to overdo it. Instead of just making things sound richer and fuller, they push everything to 11 and wreck it. That really does seem to be the trend as far as I can tell.
Hey, if someone wants to take a shot at it, that's fine. I'll check out the results and hear for myself. I guess I just don't have much faith that they'll do it right. And by "right" I mean in a way that I like. I've always got the original CD if they botch the remaster/remix.
I was actually thinking about this general concept over the weekend. I listened to a bunch of different versions of Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition (including a couple of ELP's), which is pretty much my favorite piece of classical music. When it got to a couple of the particularly soft sections, I got to thinking what it would be like if classical recordings got uber compressed and brickwalled. Of course, it would sound awful. As to Presto, I love how it sounds. For my money, it's one of the better sounding non-Broon Rush albums, and the existence of breathing room is one reason why.
P.S. for anyone who cares, this was inspired by Doug Helvering doing a reaction video to ELP's "Pirates," which is my favorite ELP song.
Probably mine too. A highlight of my concert-goings-on was seeing ELP in New Haven in '93 and they played that. I was third row, and for some reason I had a perfect sight line to Carl Palmer. At one point, he pointed stick at me and winked.
Presto has a real charm to it. It's one of the few Rush albums made after Signals that I can say that about. Probably the only one.
Presto isn't one of my favorites, but I enjoy it a lot. I actually think the thin sound is part of its charm. I think of it as Rush's easy listening album.
While we're on this topic, this is the best footage I've ever seen from the Presto tour. For some reason, the song order got changed and most of the Presto songs are after the 33 minute mark. Alex kind of botches Superconductor.. :lolI meant to ask if anyone remembers Neils drum kit in this video. If I remember right his kit was dark blue unlike his white Ludwig from the HYF tour.
https://youtu.be/E3747b6c5nQ
The actual volume levels on Presto are lovely! I wish more CDs were mixed at about that level. But I also agree with the sentiment that you almost can’t even hear the drums or the bass. They just sound very background. It seriously could’ve been beefed up a bit.
Yeah, it’s not the volume level that is the issue. It is the lack of any low end in the drums, bass, or guitars. I would think that can be adjusted without compromising the overall dynamic range of the album. Glasser seemed to find a way at least.
Presto was my 4th tour that I saw Rush. It was the last tour I saw without my wife. We started dating in 1991.
I saw the tour twice. I loved the bunnies on the stage. Presto was a different album for them but I loved it. I remember reading that Hand Over Fist was originally going to be an instrumental.
Presto isn't one of my favorites, but I enjoy it a lot. I actually think the thin sound is part of its charm. I think of it as Rush's easy listening album.
Yes! I've always referred to it as Adult Contemporary Rush. :lol
I like Presto now, but as a kid whose sonic diet included Slayer, Metallica and Anthrax and wanted to experience different bands, it was not the best album to start with. In 1990 I was told Rush was THE BAND I needed to try, and bought Presto. I liked Show Don't Tell and nothing else. Shortly after I exchanged the album for something else and completely discarded the band until 1995.
Presto was my 4th tour that I saw Rush. It was the last tour I saw without my wife. We started dating in 1991.
I saw the tour twice. I loved the bunnies on the stage. Presto was a different album for them but I loved it. I remember reading that Hand Over Fist wasoriginally going to be an instrumentalsomething that should have been excised from the album and burned.
I'd say I'd agree with RTB, and possibly even TFE fitting that description - but I'd counter with (see what I did there), that Counterparts is a heavier album and not "adult contemporary" Rush.Presto isn't one of my favorites, but I enjoy it a lot. I actually think the thin sound is part of its charm. I think of it as Rush's easy listening album.
Yes! I've always referred to it as Adult Contemporary Rush. :lol
Presto through Counterparts (and, arguably, T4E) fits that description.I like Presto now, but as a kid whose sonic diet included Slayer, Metallica and Anthrax and wanted to experience different bands, it was not the best album to start with. In 1990 I was told Rush was THE BAND I needed to try, and bought Presto. I liked Show Don't Tell and nothing else. Shortly after I exchanged the album for something else and completely discarded the band until 1995.
After three increasingly disappointing albums, Presto was a breath of fresh air for me and my friends. It certainly didn't harken back to pre-synth era Rush, but it was such a massive improvement.Presto was my 4th tour that I saw Rush. It was the last tour I saw without my wife. We started dating in 1991.
I saw the tour twice. I loved the bunnies on the stage. Presto was a different album for them but I loved it. I remember reading that Hand Over Fist wasoriginally going to be an instrumentalsomething that should have been excised from the album and burned.
FTFM
Also my fourth Rush tour and loved the rabbits.
Test for Echo is pretty heavy in places. It’s more rocky than most of the 80s albums for sure.Yeah it's heavier than Presto and RTB for sure - not as heavy as Counterparts though..
Yeah, Counterparts for the most part is quite heavy. T4E was a bit more varied, but still fairly heavy in parts.Test for Echo is pretty heavy in places. It’s more rocky than most of the 80s albums for sure.Yeah it's heavier than Presto and RTB for sure - not as heavy as Counterparts though..
I find Counterparts more organic than T4E. I remember reading interviews that they wondered why there songs sounded much more powerful live from Presto and RTB. They charged Peter Collins to make the album sound live. Raw. More powerful, like their live sound.
CP always came across to me as Rush “trying too hard” to remain relevant during the grunge explosion.I dunno, the shredding solo in CTTC was a in your face "stick it to the man" moment against the grunge anti guitar solo establishment in the 90's.. one of my all time favorite Alex solos :metal
Yeah, I've never understood the "Rush was trying to be Grunge" comments on Counterparts. The only song that sounds even remotely like a Grunge band could have done something similar is Stick it Out. Which is also incidentally the worst song on the album...CP always came across to me as Rush “trying too hard” to remain relevant during the grunge explosion.I dunno, the shredding solo in CTTC was a in your face "stick it to the man" moment against the grunge anti guitar solo establishment in the 90's.. one of my all time favorite Alex solos :metal
Always a big fan of "Double Agent". I always thought (and still do) that it was a very creative song that sort of played around with the concept of "verse, chorus, verse, chorus"... in a neat way. There's nothing "grunge" about Double Agent. If anything it harkens back to the early years; that guitar behind what you could call the "verse" is vintage "Fly By Night"- era Alex.
I agree with Stad's assessment, too. Only issue I take with it is that Geddy didn't do the spoken vocals live, which was a major disappointment. But I love the song.Always a big fan of "Double Agent". I always thought (and still do) that it was a very creative song that sort of played around with the concept of "verse, chorus, verse, chorus"... in a neat way. There's nothing "grunge" about Double Agent. If anything it harkens back to the early years; that guitar behind what you could call the "verse" is vintage "Fly By Night"- era Alex.
Great tune.
Ged and Al hanging in the brewery is always worth a bump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPncmrgwNgA
That's funny. I'd love to see them do some sort of video podcast together.
OK...does anyone have any sort of primary source for the actual release date of Permanent Waves?
I had long heard that it was released on new year's day 1980, but that seems absurd. Plenty of random sites still list 1/1/1980 as the release date. Wikipedia lists the release date as 1/18/1980 (a Friday) and cites an article in the January 12, 1980 issue of Music Week, which appears to have been a British music magazine. That article (on p. 2 of this pdf - chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Music-Week/1980/Music-Week-1980-01-12.pdf ) stated, "PHONOGRAM IS planning a heavy new advertising campaign for leading heavy metal group Rush who have a new album released on January 18 called Permanent Waves. . . . [P] The LP will be simultaneously released worldwide. . . ." However, I know that albums were sometimes released on different dates in the U.S./Canada and England.
Anyone?
The Clockwork Angels tour was the muddiest sounding live show Ive ever heard from Rush. With all the advancements in technology by that time, what the heck happened?? You can't blame the venue because I've seen countless shows there before that were crystal clear (including several Rush shows).
The CA live blu-ray even has the same issues.
Speaking of Rush live releases, I have the Rush R40 Bluray box set and I plan on watching a couple of the concerts again in the coming weeks.
How would you rank all the different concert movies?
We have:
Exit... Stage Left
A Show Of Hands
Rush In Rio
R30
Snakes & Arrows: Live
Time Machine 2011
Clockwork Angels Tour
R40: Live
Nah, if they remixed Presto they'd compress the fuck out of it and it would end up sounding brickwalled like the last couple of albums. Because that's how it's done these days, apparently.
Presto is rather thin-sounding, but I'd rather have the space and be able to hear the instruments. I can bump up the midrange on my stereo if I have to.
Presto was my 4th tour that I saw Rush. It was the last tour I saw without my wife. We started dating in 1991.
I saw the tour twice. I loved the bunnies on the stage. Presto was a different album for them but I loved it. I remember reading that Hand Over Fist was originally going to be an instrumental.
Just the opposite by the guys in the band. Alex got into agreements with the engineer, Kevin Shirley (sound familiar?) about not using pedals and adding the effects later.
T4E, they were going with a more modern sound with the dry vocals that fit in that mid to late 90's era.
100% agree, Puppies and Kev.
CP, in retrospect (and I’m saying this because that was literally the first Rush album I heard, right when it came out, so at the time I wouldn’t have had any perspective on Rush overall discog) was a deliberate return to a more guitar-driven sound, but it doesn’t strike me as a clear attempt to be relevant to the “grunge” crowd…it sound very Rush to me, all around
Rush with their Dad's.
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Again, step dad. Yes, his dad died when he was 12. His mom did marry again.That explains it then. And yes, Geddy does look like his dad.
Again, step dad. Yes, his dad died when he was 12. His mom did marry again.That explains it then. And yes, Geddy does look like his dad.
I saw some online thing where actors in their 50's looked like in the 70's compared to the actors in their 50's today. You're not kidding pg.
Ed Asner was 41 on the 1st episode of The Mary Tyler Moore Show. He looked in his late 50's! Look at Paul Rudd. He's 54 looking like he's in his late 30's!
How about the 2 songs he played on Jeff Berlin's album?
Maribi
Champion (of the world)
My brother's late father's day present.
(https://i.postimg.cc/d08CZ32k/20230624-151441.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rdwsv8YM)
My brother's late father's day present.
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I was 82 out of only 100 made and I ordered that 25 days ago.
My brother's late father's day present.
(https://i.postimg.cc/d08CZ32k/20230624-151441.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rdwsv8YM)
My brother's late father's day present.
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Is it a print? A computer game?
Lithograph of Hemispheres as an Atari 2600 game. It looks like the boxes they used to come in. The art is even like they had for the 2600 games.
I was 82 out of only 100 made and I ordered that 25 days ago.
I was 82 out of only 100 made and I ordered that 25 days ago.
Sales must be slow because I just got my order in today and my poster is numbered 83.
-Marc.
I stumbled across this, a recently uploaded live version of The Twilight Zone from 1976!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O28KL0NoUI0
This was so good! Man, Alex Lifeson is such a pleasure to listen to...funny, cool, humble...a true legend. Chris Shiflett is a very pleasant host too.
This seems like the appropriate place for my 2112th post ;D
This is a collection of 8mm snippets from the ATWAS tour remastered from original 8mm. It’s a bit frustrating that the clips are so short, but the guy filming was probably really worried about getting caught.Wow, there's actual footage of them playing Twilight Zone and The Necromancer :metal
But it only posted a day ago, so I believe this is newly found footage. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
https://youtu.be/UkqJayHjavo
This is a collection of 8mm snippets from the ATWAS tour remastered from original 8mm. It’s a bit frustrating that the clips are so short, but the guy filming was probably really worried about getting caught.Wow, there's actual footage of them playing Twilight Zone and The Necromancer :metal
But it only posted a day ago, so I believe this is newly found footage. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
https://youtu.be/UkqJayHjavo
It's too bad it's just a bunch of small clips. This full show would have been amazing.
And they're using the double necks for The Twilight Zone! Yes, the full show would be like a dream come true lol.This is a collection of 8mm snippets from the ATWAS tour remastered from original 8mm. It’s a bit frustrating that the clips are so short, but the guy filming was probably really worried about getting caught.Wow, there's actual footage of them playing Twilight Zone and The Necromancer :metal
But it only posted a day ago, so I believe this is newly found footage. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
https://youtu.be/UkqJayHjavo
It's too bad it's just a bunch of small clips. This full show would have been amazing.
And to think...he never actually went bald.Either that or he has a very convincing wig. :lol
My first reaction after seeing a "happy 70th birthday to Geddy Lee" post was "no...that can't be right." Then I did the math. Sigh....
My first reaction after seeing a "happy 70th birthday to Geddy Lee" post was "no...that can't be right." Then I did the math. Sigh....
What post?
Happy 70th Birthday to Geddy Lee!
-Marc.
NEW PAGES ARE HARD!!!
NEW PAGES ARE HARD!!!
Especially when you Turn The Page.
-Marc.
My first reaction after seeing a "happy 70th birthday to Geddy Lee" post was "no...that can't be right." Then I did the math. Sigh....
What post?
You have to disengage first..NEW PAGES ARE HARD!!!
Especially when you Turn The Page.
-Marc.
So I've been listening to the entirety of the Rush studio discography. I haven't said much because - honestly - what's there to say that hasn't been said a billion times?
But I do have one thing that, I think, qualifies as a "hot take", so here goes.
The original Vapor Trails mix/master is far superior to the 2013 edition to my ears. I stuggled with the album a lot going straight for the remix, and eventually, decided to check out the original for good measure. And found that it clicked for me immediately.
I just... don't think all the added clarity especially around the drums helps the album out much for me. I do hear some of the complaints with the balancing and dynamics with the original, which were great ideas to fix in the remaster, but I wish they could have remixed the album in a way they kept the raw, mushy feeling of the original.
Hey, just wondering if anyone knows the meaning of the phrase "the night has a thousand saxophones"? I've been listening a lot lately to Roll the Bones.
"The Night Has A Thousand Eyes", by Francis William Bourdillon, 1891
The lyric "The night has a thousand saxophones" in the song "Roll The Bones" is likely a humorous homage to this poem, although the phrase is also the title of a film released in 1948, and a song sung by Bobby Vee released in 1962.
Hey, just wondering if anyone knows the meaning of the phrase "the night has a thousand saxophones"? I've been listening a lot lately to Roll the Bones.
Might be a reference to/play on this poem:Quote"The Night Has A Thousand Eyes", by Francis William Bourdillon, 1891
The lyric "The night has a thousand saxophones" in the song "Roll The Bones" is likely a humorous homage to this poem, although the phrase is also the title of a film released in 1948, and a song sung by Bobby Vee released in 1962.
http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/rushinspirations.html
I feel like I'm missing some context here.Hey, just wondering if anyone knows the meaning of the phrase "the night has a thousand saxophones"? I've been listening a lot lately to Roll the Bones.
Might be a reference to/play on this poem:Quote"The Night Has A Thousand Eyes", by Francis William Bourdillon, 1891
The lyric "The night has a thousand saxophones" in the song "Roll The Bones" is likely a humorous homage to this poem, although the phrase is also the title of a film released in 1948, and a song sung by Bobby Vee released in 1962.
http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/rushinspirations.html
and we all know what a big fan Neil was of RJD.
Those songs are definitely interesting historical context. What I find fascinating is that, AFAIK, these songs were all but unknown until about 15 years ago. Then again, maybe it was just me.
There was an awesome site that had all these odd songs and bootlegs songs from the board on there. I downloaded them all but it got shut down.
I can't remember the name of the website.
Damn. It might have been. Did it have every Alex rant from the VT tour? That was amazing!
Hey, just wondering if anyone knows the meaning of the phrase "the night has a thousand saxophones"? I've been listening a lot lately to Roll the Bones.
Might be a reference to/play on this poem:Quote"The Night Has A Thousand Eyes", by Francis William Bourdillon, 1891
The lyric "The night has a thousand saxophones" in the song "Roll The Bones" is likely a humorous homage to this poem, although the phrase is also the title of a film released in 1948, and a song sung by Bobby Vee released in 1962.
http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/rushinspirations.html
I'm almost positive that Dio had a song (I think on Dream Evil) that used the line, "the night has a thousand eyes," and we all know what a big fan Neil was of RJD.
I feel like I'm missing some context here.
In high school, I once wrote an analysis of "Hemispheres" by Rush. In it, I mentioned that the ship, Rocinante, was a reference to John Steinbeck's camper RV from his book Travels with Charley (Charley was his dog). My teacher loved the paper, but had to point out that Rocinante from Travels with Charley was itself a reference to a much older work (which he left up to me to find out).
So my guess is that Neil named the ship in "Hemispheres" after the much older reference, although he'd probably read Steinbeck as well, since he was a big fan of being on the road.
In high school, I once wrote an analysis of "Hemispheres" by Rush. In it, I mentioned that the ship, Rocinante, was a reference to John Steinbeck's camper RV from his book Travels with Charley (Charley was his dog). My teacher loved the paper, but had to point out that Rocinante from Travels with Charley was itself a reference to a much older work (which he left up to me to find out).
So my guess is that Neil named the ship in "Hemispheres" after the much older reference, although he'd probably read Steinbeck as well, since he was a big fan of being on the road.
I've only ever heard "Rocinante" as a reference to Don Quixote's horse.
-Marc.
I'm pretty sure I've heard "Not Fade Away" before, but I don't think I've ever heard the B side.
RUSH - Not Fade Away & You Can't Fight It (First Single) 1973 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN4ED5qTQ7Q)
Damn. It might have been. Did it have every Alex rant from the VT tour? That was amazing!
Damn. It might have been. Did it have every Alex rant from the VT tour? That was amazing!
Someone compiled them and put them across three discs. Those are a fun listen.
The problem, and it's not Rush's fault at all, is that I've heard about 30 other versions of Not Fade Away that are EXCELLENT, and I've heard the entirety of the rest of the Rush catalogue, which is better. IT's not that this is BAD, exactly, but for me it's at best a curiosity.
Damn. It might have been. Did it have every Alex rant from the VT tour? That was amazing!
Someone compiled them and put them across three discs. Those are a fun listen.
They were a blast to listen to. Now many bands were that professional and that humorous at the same time.
The problem, and it's not Rush's fault at all, is that I've heard about 30 other versions of Not Fade Away that are EXCELLENT, and I've heard the entirety of the rest of the Rush catalogue, which is better. IT's not that this is BAD, exactly, but for me it's at best a curiosity.
It's not that good.
Also, The fact that this hasn't seen the light of day in some form since seems to indicate that the band (Or Geddy) likely doesn't believe it's up to snuff either.
Damn. It might have been. Did it have every Alex rant from the VT tour? That was amazing!
Someone compiled them and put them across three discs. Those are a fun listen.
They were a blast to listen to. Now many bands were that professional and that humorous at the same time.
Zappa?
Question for you Rush fans, is there a box vinyl set of all there records out there that you would recommend? Not looking for any special editions just the studio records.
Shit. I own albums, 8 track, cassettes, cd's, gold discs & 20 bit remastered cd's.
Oh. Videos, bottles VCR tapes, DAD'S, Blu Ray's...
Shit. I own albums, 8 track, cassettes, cd's, gold discs & 20 bit remastered cd's.I mean, yeah I've got all that as well (well not the 8 tracks). When I was in high school, my computer teacher gave me a bunch of bootlegs he had made over the years of Rush shows on VHS. I should dig those out and see if any are worth sharing at some point. If I remember correctly, some of them were really high quality. He was big sound guy and actually worked with Billy Idol and Kiss back in the day. Something to do with audio for their tours, can't remember exactly what he did.
Oh. Videos, bottles VCR tapes, DAD'S, Blu Ray's...
That's very cool. Back in the day we're going to high-school halls to get bootlegs. I miss those days.
Shit. I own albums, 8 track, cassettes, cd's, gold discs & 20 bit remastered cd's.
Oh. Videos, bottles VCR tapes, DAD'S, Blu Ray's...
Do they tell jokes? :lol
Shit. I own albums, 8 track, cassettes, cd's, gold discs & 20 bit remastered cd's.
Oh. Videos, bottles VCR tapes, DAD'S, Blu Ray's...
Do they tell jokes? :lol
I'm still trying to figure out "bottles VCR tapes"
Shit. I own albums, 8 track, cassettes, cd's, gold discs & 20 bit remastered cd's.
Oh. Videos, bottles VCR tapes, DAD'S, Blu Ray's...
Do they tell jokes? :lol
I'm still trying to figure out "bottles VCR tapes"
I think he meant “bootleg.”
Bummer, thanks for the info. I'm start assembling the records one by one.
Shit. I own albums, 8 track, cassettes, cd's, gold discs & 20 bit remastered cd's.
Oh. Videos, bottles VCR tapes, DAD'S, Blu Ray's...
Hahaha.
DAD'S.
My poor dad, I killed him playing Rush all the time in his car.
That's very cool. Back in the day we're going to high-school halls to get bootlegs. I miss those days.
Lol High school walls for the boots. Shopping malls for the album releases.
Shit. I own albums, 8 track, cassettes, cd's, gold discs & 20 bit remastered cd's.
Oh. Videos, bottles VCR tapes, DAD'S, Blu Ray's...
Do they tell jokes? :lol
I'm still trying to figure out "bottles VCR tapes"
I think he meant “bootleg.”
I thought it was a reference to that Rush beer that came out not long ago.
-Marc.
That's very cool. Back in the day we're going to high-school halls to get bootlegs. I miss those days.
I miss the hole in the wall record stores where you'd spend most of the day talking and listening to music.
That's very cool. Back in the day we're going to high-school halls to get bootlegs. I miss those days.
I miss the hole in the wall record stores where you'd spend most of the day talking and listening to music.
I do as well. I could spend hours in a record store
That's very cool. Back in the day we're going to high-school halls to get bootlegs. I miss those days.
I miss the hole in the wall record stores where you'd spend most of the day talking and listening to music.
I do as well. I could spend hours in a record store
Newbury Street in Boston is all Gucci now, but back in the day, there was about a half dozen hole in the wall used record shops, and also dudes on the sidewalk selling bootlegs and shit. We'd make a day of it every few months.
That's very cool. Back in the day we're going to high-school halls to get bootlegs. I miss those days.
I miss the hole in the wall record stores where you'd spend most of the day talking and listening to music.
I do as well. I could spend hours in a record store
Newbury Street in Boston is all Gucci now, but back in the day, there was about a half dozen hole in the wall used record shops, and also dudes on the sidewalk selling bootlegs and shit. We'd make a day of it every few months.
Planet Records in Kenmore Square. I can remember getting the first three Deep Purple records on vinyl there.
Bubba Bash 2024 coming soon. If you're in the Philadelphia area, this should be on your agenda.Oh man, I gotta see if I can swing that. Now I need a good reason to give to my wife to go to Philly in January... :lol
(https://www.rushisaband.com/images/202309/4828.f.jpg)
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2023/09/19/5981/YYNOTs-Bubba-Bash-charity-concert-honoring-Neil-Peart-to-return-for-2024?fbclid=IwAR3WuaPs066eKXAzEqOGTz0E2-c0J7PUBsejqtRMuT2doQrWTM9NwzZt2ic
Bubba Bash 2024 coming soon. If you're in the Philadelphia area, this should be on your agenda.
(https://www.rushisaband.com/images/202309/4828.f.jpg)
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2023/09/19/5981/YYNOTs-Bubba-Bash-charity-concert-honoring-Neil-Peart-to-return-for-2024?fbclid=IwAR3WuaPs066eKXAzEqOGTz0E2-c0J7PUBsejqtRMuT2doQrWTM9NwzZt2ic
Bubba Bash 2024 coming soon. If you're in the Philadelphia area, this should be on your agenda.
(https://www.rushisaband.com/images/202309/4828.f.jpg)
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2023/09/19/5981/YYNOTs-Bubba-Bash-charity-concert-honoring-Neil-Peart-to-return-for-2024?fbclid=IwAR3WuaPs066eKXAzEqOGTz0E2-c0J7PUBsejqtRMuT2doQrWTM9NwzZt2ic
what can we say about rush's debut album "rush."
what can we say about rush's debut album "rush."
I think most folks (myself included) will agree with every word you wrote.
I'm not sure how a new fan would perceive it. If you're looking for prog rock, you won't find it here. I kinda think you have to listen to it in retrospect, just for its foundational value, but I don't think I'd ever recommend it as a starting point.
decided to do (another) deep dive into the rush catalog. not the first time going through their albums, and not the last, but it's been a while and i need a comforting listen
figured i'd take the opportunity to share my thoughts on each album as i listen. hope you enjoy!
what can we say about rush's debut album "rush." gotta say, it's a unique one in their discography 'cause it's the only rush album without neal peart. the album is like a snapshot of the early '70s rock scene. the sound is different from their later stuff, more bluesy and hard rock-ish. geddy lee's bass lines are still killer, and alex lifeson's guitar work, it's raw and full of energy. the lyrics, they're kinda on the simple side compared to later rush albums (obv due to NP's absence), but they fit the vibe. they're singin' about the usual rock topics, like love and relationships, and it's cool to hear them in their early days.
john rutsey on drums, he's solid, but you can tell neal peart brought a whole new level of complexity to their rhythm section in later albums. still, rutsey holds his own on this one. "finding my way," that's a standout track for me. it's got this groove that just pulls you in. "in the mood" is another one, with that catchy riff. and "what you're doing," it's got that bluesy feel that i dig. overall, rush's self-titled debut is a cool piece of rock history. it's different from their later prog-rock masterpieces, but it's a solid start to their journey. if you're a rush fan, it's a must-listen to see how they evolved. if you're new to rush, it's a good intro to their early sound. while it's not their most iconic album, it's still got its place in the rush catalog. give it a spin and appreciate the roots of this legendary band.
Fly by Night is super underrated, and you didn't even mention the three best songs (By-Tor, In the End and Beneath, Between and Behind).In the End is one of the best on FBN? Yeah no. More like one of the worst. Between this and your hatred for The Mirror, I'm really starting to worry about you! :biggrin:
Fly by Night is super underrated, and you didn't even mention the three best songs (By-Tor, In the End and Beneath, Between and Behind).In the End is one of the best on FBN? Yeah no. More like one of the worst. Between this and your hatred for The Mirror, I'm really starting to worry about you! :biggrin:
I can get behind this, I think my FBN rankings are almost identical to yours. Although I do love The Mirror....Fly by Night is super underrated, and you didn't even mention the three best songs (By-Tor, In the End and Beneath, Between and Behind).In the End is one of the best on FBN? Yeah no. More like one of the worst. Between this and your hatred for The Mirror, I'm really starting to worry about you! :biggrin:
I LOVE In the End! These are my FBN rankings from when we did the Rush song countdown a while back
1. By-Tor (9)
2. BB&B (42)
3. In the End (45)
4. Anthem (52)
5. Fly By Night (82)
6. Best I Can (90)
7. Making Memories (107)
8. Rivendell (164)
In retrospect, I'd probably switch BIC and MM, and I could conceive of switching ITE and Anthem, but I'm generally not super partial to shuffle beat songs, which Anthem is.
As for The Mirror, I'm not sure what to tell you. I haven't liked it since I first heard Puppies on Acid back in June 1993.
However, the live version from ATWAS slays the studio version.
In The End is one of my favorite Rush songs! :lolThat's fine, but you don't count! :biggrin:
As for The Mirror, I'm not sure what to tell you. I haven't liked it since I first heard Puppies on Acid back in June 1993.It's funny - I'm quite the opposite. Right from the beginning of hearing it for the first time at my first DT concert, I loved Puppies on Acid. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
I don’t agree with Scotty at all on this one. But I kind of get where he’s coming from.Ben probably sums up my feelings on ItE pretty well - better than I would've said myself. And his ranking of the FBN tracks pretty much is spot on for me. Only real difference is that I would've shifted Making Memories up to #4 in the rankings with everything else after shifting down one spot. But Rivendell is something that is almost always an automatic skip for me.
I loved In the End as a kid, but it’s a bit overly simplistic to have aged well. It’s a 2 minute great idea stretched into a 6 1/2 minute OK idea. However, the live version from ATWAS slays the studio version.
1. By-Tor
2. Anthem
3. BBaB
4. Best I Can
5. Fly By Night
6. Making Memories
7. In the End
8. Rivendell
But I do love the entire album. Even Rivendell
Please tell me someone wrote in "What is the God of Balance".:lol
"The God of Balance" is Cygnus, not Cygnus X-1. :biggrin:
It was Celebrity Jeopardy (which you can sort of see on the podiums). The contestants were Utkarsh Ambudkar (Jay on the U.S. version of Ghosts), Emily Hampshire (Schitt's Creek) and Mark Duplass (The Morning Show).
It was Celebrity Jeopardy (which you can sort of see on the podiums). The contestants were Utkarsh Ambudkar (Jay on the U.S. version of Ghosts), Emily Hampshire (Schitt's Creek) and Mark Duplass (The Morning Show).
THESE people are celebrities?
I'll take Who In The Hell Are These People for $400, Alex.
I know the guy from Ghosts, but I wouldn't know him by name. I don't know the other two, but I know the shows they're on.
:azn:I know the guy from Ghosts, but I wouldn't know him by name. I don't know the other two, but I know the shows they're on.
I've heard of Schitt's Creek..Eugene Levy, right? Never seen it, but I've heard of it. But I've not heard of nobody or the other two shows.
EDIT: I know what show Ghosts is. Isn't that the one where a couple buy a house with ghosts from different time periods in it? I saw that in the Emergency Room. lol
It was Celebrity Jeopardy (which you can sort of see on the podiums). The contestants were Utkarsh Ambudkar (Jay on the U.S. version of Ghosts), Emily Hampshire (Schitt's Creek) and Mark Duplass (The Morning Show).
THESE people are celebrities?
I'll take Who In The Hell Are These People for $400, Alex.
The morning show stars Jennifer Aniston and Reese Witherspoon, but it's on Apple TV.
The morning show stars Jennifer Aniston and Reese Witherspoon, but it's on Apple TV.
Oh OK, I've seen the ads for that.
I must say, I don't think Reese Witherspoon has aged all that well.
The morning show stars Jennifer Aniston and Reese Witherspoon, but it's on Apple TV.
Oh OK, I've seen the ads for that.
I must say, I don't think Reese Witherspoon has aged all that well.
And you have?!!??! :lol
Tim, do you need glasses? :lol
The morning show stars Jennifer Aniston and Reese Witherspoon, but it's on Apple TV.
Oh OK, I've seen the ads for that.
I must say, I don't think Reese Witherspoon has aged all that well.
And you have?!!??! :lol
I think she's still pretty smokin, but that's me.
The morning show stars Jennifer Aniston and Reese Witherspoon, but it's on Apple TV.
Oh OK, I've seen the ads for that.
I must say, I don't think Reese Witherspoon has aged all that well.
And you have?!!??! :lol
I think she's still pretty smokin, but that's me.
They're still both attractive, but if you're gonna make that argument, better to post some real photos instead of some photos that have obviously been photoshopped to remove most (if not all) their flaws. ;)I'll make a deal with anyone: you take your pick, and I'll be happy with the one you don't choose.And you have?!!??! :lolThe morning show stars Jennifer Aniston and Reese Witherspoon, but it's on Apple TV.Oh OK, I've seen the ads for that.
I must say, I don't think Reese Witherspoon has aged all that well.
I think she's still pretty smokin, but that's me.
Well, you're definitely stuck with Reese, but even then, Jen's the third friend.
People are speculating that it's a new song.
Sort of sounds like a slowed down version of Face Up.People are speculating that it's a new song.
Shazam didn't recognize it, so maybe.
I looked this morning once I saw this and the code offered up no appealing tickets. Worst case scenario is we sit in the back like last year, but I'm going to wait to see if anything good pops up later.
Finally snagged a sealed copy of the Clockwork Angels vinyl after having dropped the ball back when it was released. Been on the hunt for years for a decent price and it arrived today and was totally mint and perfect. Immediately got that thing protected with my special sleeves and outer cover.
Patience paid off.
In The End is one of my favorite Rush songs! :lol
People are speculating that it's a new song.
I never liked the tune until I heard the version on All The World's A Stage! :hefdaddyIn The End is one of my favorite Rush songs! :lol
Especially live!
I never liked the tune until I heard the version on All The World's A Stage! :hefdaddyIn The End is one of my favorite Rush songs! :lol
Especially live!
A Show Of Hands is a great showcase for that era.
I got screwed. Nothing at the Masonic except a couple of random nosebleeds. Guess I have to try Friday. I don't have a Citi password or card. If it's just a password and someone can help a brother out...
I'm sure something super cool will happen that will make me regret this, but I'm out.
Nope, not attending the Chicago show. Just hopped into the fan club presale and tix are ranging from $117 to $157. I will keep my Amazon pre-order. Even factoring in the cost of the book with the price, I just can't justify it, as much as I want to.
Fuck it. I'm doing it. 2 minutes until I can purchase the tickets.
I got screwed. Nothing at the Masonic except a couple of random nosebleeds. Guess I have to try Friday. I don't have a Citi password or card. If it's just a password and someone can help a brother out...
If the fanclub presale is still active, the PW is MYEFFINLIFE. For the Citi presale, you need a card (I had to input the first 6 digits to unlock the presale).
A decent seat was $190 with fees, and that's more than I want to spend for what this is (even when you factor in the book being included). I'm sure something super cool will happen that will make me regret this, but I'm out.
I got screwed. Nothing at the Masonic except a couple of random nosebleeds. Guess I have to try Friday. I don't have a Citi password or card. If it's just a password and someone can help a brother out...
If the fanclub presale is still active, the PW is MYEFFINLIFE. For the Citi presale, you need a card (I had to input the first 6 digits to unlock the presale).
A decent seat was $190 with fees, and that's more than I want to spend for what this is (even when you factor in the book being included). I'm sure something super cool will happen that will make me regret this, but I'm out.
Who knows, right? But I saw Bruce Dickinson's speaking tour, and it was... interesting but not essential. I would be surprised if anything happened that caused anyone to say "Dammit! I should have BEEN there!"
I got screwed. Nothing at the Masonic except a couple of random nosebleeds. Guess I have to try Friday. I don't have a Citi password or card. If it's just a password and someone can help a brother out...
If the fanclub presale is still active, the PW is MYEFFINLIFE. For the Citi presale, you need a card (I had to input the first 6 digits to unlock the presale).
A decent seat was $190 with fees, and that's more than I want to spend for what this is (even when you factor in the book being included). I'm sure something super cool will happen that will make me regret this, but I'm out.
Who knows, right? But I saw Bruce Dickinson's speaking tour, and it was... interesting but not essential. I would be surprised if anything happened that caused anyone to say "Dammit! I should have BEEN there!"
the concept of this album is pretty epic. it's a whole story told through music, with the obvious one being the title track, "2112," - a 20-minute journey that takes you through a dystopian future where creativity and individuality are suppressed. it's got some amazing guitar work from alex lifeson and geddy lee's vocals are on point as always. the other tracks on the album, like "a passage to bangkok" and "the twilight zone," are also solid. they showcase rush's versatility as a band. one thing i really appreciate about rush is their lyrics. they're always thought-provoking and meaningful, and 2112 is no exception. the themes of individualism and the power of creativity really resonate with me.
the production on this album is solid, too. it has that classic '70s rock sound that i love, and everything is mixed well. if i had to nitpick, i'd say that some of the tracks on the second side of the album don't quite match up to the epicness of the title track. but overall, 2112 is a masterpiece in the world of progressive rock.
I got screwed. Nothing at the Masonic except a couple of random nosebleeds. Guess I have to try Friday. I don't have a Citi password or card. If it's just a password and someone can help a brother out...
If the fanclub presale is still active, the PW is MYEFFINLIFE. For the Citi presale, you need a card (I had to input the first 6 digits to unlock the presale).
A decent seat was $190 with fees, and that's more than I want to spend for what this is (even when you factor in the book being included). I'm sure something super cool will happen that will make me regret this, but I'm out.
Who knows, right? But I saw Bruce Dickinson's speaking tour, and it was... interesting but not essential. I would be surprised if anything happened that caused anyone to say "Dammit! I should have BEEN there!"
It may not be essential, but it'll be a fun evening. And that's why my wife and I are going. I'm a huge RUSH fan, she's likes and appreciates them, but isn't like me. She pushed me to buy the tickets. Like I said above, pricey, but we're each getting a book out of it, so there's value. Plus, I just think it'll be downright fun. I am sure Ged will be hysterical, the RUSH ambience will be high, and it'll be a great time. Essential? Of course not. It's not a RUSH show, or even a Geddy Lee show. But I'm really looking forward to it.
What I'm not looking forward to is Geddy doing solo shows and what THAT will cost. Because if this spoken word thing is any indication, prices will be astronomical.
For these fucking prices, Neal Peart better be seated next to him. What a rip. If you got the dough and it's that important to see this, that's great. I got the dough, but this is a joke. It's got nerdy Star Trek convention written all over it. At some point Geddy's gonna turn to the crowd and say...."It's just a band.".
For these fucking prices, Neal Peart better be seated next to him. What a rip. If you got the dough and it's that important to see this, that's great. I got the dough, but this is a joke. It's got nerdy Star Trek convention written all over it. At some point Geddy's gonna turn to the crowd and say...."It's just a band.".
The nerdy Star Trek convention vibe is what I'm counting on.
For these fucking prices, Neal Peart better be seated next to him. What a rip. If you got the dough and it's that important to see this, that's great. I got the dough, but this is a joke. It's got nerdy Star Trek convention written all over it. At some point Geddy's gonna turn to the crowd and say...."It's just a band.".
The nerdy Star Trek convention vibe is what I'm counting on.
:lol
It's a total geek out thing, and it's cool. He's a legendary performer and a very important figure for some.
I used to go to the New England Kiss Collectors Convention in the late 80's in Providence. There were guys selling stuff, a few bootleg booths, cover bands...which were a riot, and we met Eric Carr in 1990.Who is Eric Carr.....?
I used to go to the New England Kiss Collectors Convention in the late 80's in Providence. There were guys selling stuff, a few bootleg booths, cover bands...which were a riot, and we met Eric Carr in 1990.Who is Eric Carr.....?
I used to go to the New England Kiss Collectors Convention in the late 80's in Providence. There were guys selling stuff, a few bootleg booths, cover bands...which were a riot, and we met Eric Carr in 1990.Who is Eric Carr.....?
So this is what it feels like to be Tim everyday...
As Tim the Fox said.
I used to go to the New England Kiss Collectors Convention in the late 80's in Providence. There were guys selling stuff, a few bootleg booths, cover bands...which were a riot, and we met Eric Carr in 1990.
New Geddy Lee tv series….I guess I'll have to subscribe to Paramount Plus now. Thanks for the heads up!
https://youtu.be/ds6LCsgXKEE?si=R2-YTphuZ750d1ih
New Geddy Lee tv series….
https://youtu.be/ds6LCsgXKEE?si=R2-YTphuZ750d1ih
New Geddy Lee tv series….
https://youtu.be/ds6LCsgXKEE?si=R2-YTphuZ750d1ih
Happy 45th Birthday to Rush's sixth studio album, Hemispheres.
-Marc.
Happy 45th Birthday to Rush's sixth studio album, Hemispheres.
-Marc.
Still probably the greatest rock album ever recorded.
….even slightly better than Power Windows. :neverusethis:
Happy 45th Birthday to Rush's sixth studio album, Hemispheres.
-Marc.
Still probably the greatest rock album ever recorded.
….even slightly better than Power Windows. :neverusethis:
Is it better than Presto and Feedback though???
I'm excited about Teddy's book tour. Maybe everything he says will indeed be covered in the book, but I imagine there will at least be little things that come up during an event like that. And hearing someone speak is a different experience than reading. I'm not sure how many other chances there will be to see him in person, so I'm glad it's happening.
By the way, that The Athletic article is a paywall in which you got to find ways to get around it to read the article on the site.
One day, instead of offering him ice, Peart asked if Lee wanted bacon. He also wrote Lee a note addressing him as “Baby.” Lee’s many nicknames within the band included Deke, Dirk, Dekey — but never Baby, and this left him deeply rattled.
“He’s losing his life, but I’m watching his gray cells diminish, and this was the most incredible mind that I had personally known so intimately,” Lee recalled.
Thanks for posting that, Scotty.I could see that happening. Maybe organize it like a Marillion Weekend in Toronto and have a rotating list of guest drummers. I could think of about 100 drummers that would jump at the chance to do that.
Just reading that makes it clear how much Geddy misses his band and playing music. The selfish fan in me wants him and Alex to never go on as Rush without Neil, but the human fan in me realizes that if that is what he wants to do, then it is what it is. I suspect Alex's health issues and his wish to never travel and tour again means it won't happen, although I could go see them doing a one-off show or two where they play the music of Rush, while not billing themselves as Rush per se. "Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson play the music of Rush" or something like that.
Thanks for posting that, Scotty.
Just reading that makes it clear how much Geddy misses his band and playing music. The selfish fan in me wants him and Alex to never go on as Rush without Neil, but the human fan in me realizes that if that is what he wants to do, then it is what it is. I suspect Alex's health issues and his wish to never travel and tour again means it won't happen, although I could go see them doing a one-off show or two where they play the music of Rush, while not billing themselves as Rush per se. "Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson play the music of Rush" or something like that.
There was never a band like Rush. Geddy Lee doesn’t want to forget it.
EDIT: Here's the extended interview.Where? :justjen
Well, as someone who was 100% fine with Rush's 2015 ending and has been steadfast since that they should let it lie and not do anything again, it does bring a little tear to the eye to see Geddy out there again doing interviews and promo for the book tours. It reminds me of those many years as an adult when Rush was active, where it was easy to take for granted that another album and tour was just around the corner. Just seeing him talk about the band and their music warms the heart. :hat :hatCouldn't agree more. What I'm really looking forward to are the reports (or even videos) of him responding to various questions at his appearances. I'd bet at least some of the questions he'll answer will be for the more in-depth fans and he won't just focus on the softball ones.
What would you think if Rush toured with Mike Mangini?
What would you think if Rush toured with Mike Mangini?
I've seen them two times, Rush rules. Would love to see Lee/Lifeson together, but don't want to see the name Rush
Who is Paul Craddick?
Enchant's drummer and I also think he's really great! Something very Rush influenced from them: https://open.spotify.com/track/3l45oWuG4aBqaWakAqGVY0?si=JK1VtGIfRdOerzwXKbRUcg (Enchant - Paint the Picture)
I would love to see Lee and Lifeson making new music together, but I would prefer they wouldn't use the Rush's name. I think they have the right and deserve to use it, but I think would be classier to not do that. But nothing that bad if they do, there's a business reason for sure. I think it would be very interesting if they break the Rush pattern and make a tour with a keyboard player and a 2nd guitar player, playing everything live.
Geddy couldn't even sing the songs 8 years ago, why would anyone want to hear him tour now??
What would you think if Rush toured with Mike Mangini?
Geddy couldn't even sing the songs 8 years ago, why would anyone want to hear him tour now??
Of course, the distinction between "Rush" performing with some other drummer and "Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson and Tom the Drummer" performing Rush songs is probably semantic at best, I suspect it's a meaningful distinction to a lot of Rush fans.Yeah, I think it would make a difference to a sizable amount of the fan base. It would for me personally.
Geddy couldn't even sing the songs 8 years ago, why would anyone want to hear him tour now??
Could you imagine Ged, Al, Rocky, and then.....hmm......I'm not sure who I'd want to see on drums with them. I know Danny Carey was good friends with Neil, but I don't know if he has the same sort of relationship with Geddy and Alex. Mike Portnoy would be an obvious choice, but since he just got back with DT I don't know if he'd want to start jumping into more bands at this point. Gavin Harrison could definitely play the parts and there could be an in, since Alex played on a Porcupine Tree album.Geddy couldn't even sing the songs 8 years ago, why would anyone want to hear him tour now??
A valid point. They certainly could do put together a 4-piece band with Lee, Lifeson, Tom the Drummer and Sally the Singer.
I nominate Rocky Kuner: https://youtu.be/IyhEtICEbZw?si=ddmL-azU0_Q1_3Uv (vocals start around 4:15).
The point is, Rocky would be amazing.
The point is, Rocky would be amazing.
I don't think I could listen to her very long.
Honestly that's not the greatest cover with her. I prefer this one of Natural Science https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cmP37I-S8oThe point is, Rocky would be amazing.
I don't think I could listen to her very long.
Honestly, she sounds like a cartoon character (based on the posted clip). Hard pass.
Just got back from Geddy's 1st stop on his promotional tour for his book at NYC's Beacon Theatre. It was awesome! Paul Rudd was the special guest host. It started with Paul interviewing Geddy for close to an hour. After that, he read a few chapters of his book. It ended with Geddy answering about 10-12 audience-submitted questions. They ranged from "Who are your influences as a keyboardist and composer" to "What do you thing of the new rule changes in baseball". Geddy got choked up on a few occasions when speaking of Neil. And, we all walked away with a copy of the book. He said it was his 1st time on a public stage without his brothers since Rush ended. It was a really special event to get to see.
Just got back from Geddy's 1st stop on his promotional tour for his book at NYC's Beacon Theatre. It was awesome! Paul Rudd was the special guest host. It started with Paul interviewing Geddy for close to an hour. After that, he read a few chapters of his book. It ended with Geddy answering about 10-12 audience-submitted questions. They ranged from "Who are your influences as a keyboardist and composer" to "What do you thing of the new rule changes in baseball". Geddy got choked up on a few occasions when speaking of Neil. And, we all walked away with a copy of the book. He said it was his 1st time on a public stage without his brothers since Rush ended. It was a really special event to get to see.
G(eddy) LEE!
G(eddy) LEE!
FTFY
-Marc.
Thanks for posting that, Scotty.I could see that happening. Maybe organize it like a Marillion Weekend in Toronto and have a rotating list of guest drummers. I could think of about 100 drummers that would jump at the chance to do that.
Just reading that makes it clear how much Geddy misses his band and playing music. The selfish fan in me wants him and Alex to never go on as Rush without Neil, but the human fan in me realizes that if that is what he wants to do, then it is what it is. I suspect Alex's health issues and his wish to never travel and tour again means it won't happen, although I could go see them doing a one-off show or two where they play the music of Rush, while not billing themselves as Rush per se. "Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson play the music of Rush" or something like that.
I remember watching that 1993 All Star game with my dad. I was just getting in to Rush at that time, but enough of a fan to sit up when they announced he was singing the anthem. Afterward my dad said something along the lines of "well, that was alright, I guess, and who was that again?"
The point is, Rocky would be amazing.
I don't think I could listen to her very long.
Tim knows is UFO/Rush history.
And slippers.
Tim knows is UFO/Rush history.
And slippers.
Tim saw the documentary.
Tim knows is UFO/Rush history.
And slippers.
Tim saw the documentary.
Tim's an expert on UFO, actually. ;D
I thought I had posted last night's show that I was at. (It was awesome!) but I think it just got taken down by you tube)
Shirt designs sucked but the litho and baseball cards were really cool so I ended up with that.
Don't know what happened.
Tim knows is UFO/Rush history.
And slippers.
Tim saw the documentary.
Tim's an expert on UFO, actually. ;D
Don't doubt that. UFO mentions slippers and GLEE outside of the doc?
Tim knows is UFO/Rush history.
And slippers.
Tim saw the documentary.
Tim's an expert on UFO, actually. ;D
Don't doubt that. UFO mentions slippers and GLEE outside of the doc?
Geddy talks about it in Pete Way's (UFO bassist) autobiography. The two bands were quite affectionate with each other. In Martin Popoff's Lights Out, Alex talks about how the UFO guys would stand on the side of the stage in "granny robes and fluffy slippers".
FINALLY!
This will answer questions. Carry on.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/rush-future-geddy-lee-neil-peart-alex-lifeson-1234886149/
Alex apparently jammed on stage with Tool tonight.
https://twitter.com/the_edge/status/1726808538318881250?s=46&t=fZEL_VJFXNecsfY2bM-KNA
How about Gedda Lifeson?
I don't want to post the picture of Geddy's face on Alex's body I saw today on Facebook. Lol
I don't want to post the picture of Geddy's face on Alex's body I saw today on Facebook. Lol
I don't want to post the picture of Geddy's face on Alex's body I saw today on Facebook. Lol
Why not?
Tim, I saw Phish once and it was a great experience even though I'm not into jam bands much.
Phish did play Watcher of the Skies when Genesis were inducted in the to R&R HOF, so I guess a Rush cover by Fish could happen. The clip of the blank looks from celebs as those opening mellotron chords go on and on is priceless.
do y'all ever wish Phish would cover Rush, either a one-off song, or an entire album of theirs as a Halloween costume?Nah. Gimme more of this instead:
do y'all ever wish Phish would cover Rush, either a one-off song, or an entire album of theirs as a Halloween costume?Nah. Gimme more of this instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOIxVrwqllA
do y'all ever wish Phish would cover Rush, either a one-off song, or an entire album of theirs as a Halloween costume?Nah. Gimme more of this instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOIxVrwqllA
do y'all ever wish Phish would cover Rush, either a one-off song, or an entire album of theirs as a Halloween costume?Nah. Gimme more of this instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOIxVrwqllA
Half the audience was probably like “wow, they are really changing up the intro to Peruvian Skies.”
I was in the audience when they sprung that on us, and I remember thinking "Ah, they're playing PS" until I realized they *already* played it earlier in the same show! So then I struggled to put my finger on what this familiar sounding song was that they were playing. Took me a good minute or two before it finally clicked, and even then, I was certain that they were only gonna play the first part of the song. And then they started the second part, but I *knew* they would move on to another song after that. And then they started playing the last part of the song. Totally blew my mind, and to this day is one of my favorite concert memories. IMO, it's the best cover DT ever did, even though the song itself is far from my favorite from Rush. They took another band's song and truly made it their own, and IMO superior to the original. That's the one issue I have with the covers they do: they usually play the songs too straight and like the original, and not adding enough "DT" to the songs.Half the audience was probably like “wow, they are really changing up the intro to Peruvian Skies.”do y'all ever wish Phish would cover Rush, either a one-off song, or an entire album of theirs as a Halloween costume?Nah. Gimme more of this instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOIxVrwqllA
Phish did play Watcher of the Skies when Genesis were inducted in the to R&R HOF, so I guess a Rush cover by Fish could happen. The clip of the blank looks from celebs as those opening mellotron chords go on and on is priceless.
I was in the audience when they sprung that on us, and I remember thinking "Ah, they're playing PS" until I realized they *already* played it earlier in the same show! So then I struggled to put my finger on what this familiar sounding song was that they were playing. Took me a good minute or two before it finally clicked, and even then, I was certain that they were only gonna play the first part of the song. And then they started the second part, but I *knew* they would move on to another song after that. And then they started playing the last part of the song. Totally blew my mind, and to this day is one of my favorite concert memories. IMO, it's the best cover DT ever did, even though the song itself is far from my favorite from Rush. They took another band's song and truly made it their own, and IMO superior to the original. That's the one issue I have with the covers they do: they usually play the songs too straight and like the original, and not adding enough "DT" to the songs.Half the audience was probably like “wow, they are really changing up the intro to Peruvian Skies.”do y'all ever wish Phish would cover Rush, either a one-off song, or an entire album of theirs as a Halloween costume?Nah. Gimme more of this instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOIxVrwqllA
I was at those too. The Camera Eye was a huge surprise to me. Both covers were awesome. I also saw them do A Passage to Bangkok and the 2112 Grand Finale.I was in the audience when they sprung that on us, and I remember thinking "Ah, they're playing PS" until I realized they *already* played it earlier in the same show! So then I struggled to put my finger on what this familiar sounding song was that they were playing. Took me a good minute or two before it finally clicked, and even then, I was certain that they were only gonna play the first part of the song. And then they started the second part, but I *knew* they would move on to another song after that. And then they started playing the last part of the song. Totally blew my mind, and to this day is one of my favorite concert memories. IMO, it's the best cover DT ever did, even though the song itself is far from my favorite from Rush. They took another band's song and truly made it their own, and IMO superior to the original. That's the one issue I have with the covers they do: they usually play the songs too straight and like the original, and not adding enough "DT" to the songs.Half the audience was probably like “wow, they are really changing up the intro to Peruvian Skies.”do y'all ever wish Phish would cover Rush, either a one-off song, or an entire album of theirs as a Halloween costume?Nah. Gimme more of this instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOIxVrwqllA
I was fortunate enough to be in the crowd when they covered Jacob's Ladder (just a week before Score), and The Camera Eye (ProgNation '09).
My Geddy book should arrive any day now.
DTF, what are your thoughts on his one and only solo album, My Favourite Headache? I actually haven't heard that one, and I've been meaning to check it out.
My Geddy book should arrive any day now.
DTF, what are your thoughts on his one and only solo album, My Favourite Headache? I actually haven't heard that one, and I've been meaning to check it out.
Does anyone remember back in the day when they used to talk about this stuff? They used to do a show called Rockline before album releases, and a friend and I remember them saying once that on each tour, each of the three would get a song that they'd play that the other two couldn't veto. I thought that was pretty cool. But I have never heard any of them talk about that since.
This may sound sacrilegious, but after seeing Ged do the book thing on Sunday night, I listened to the Rush catalog, and I gotta say, I find myself favoring the material from Permanent Waves through Clockwork Angels way more than the 70s stuff. It's funny as time moves on, what you vibe on changes. Not saying I dislike old Rush, just saying I favor the 80s though the end more. Except for Hold Your Fire. That's just awful. :lol
This may sound sacrilegious, but after seeing Ged do the book thing on Sunday night, I listened to the Rush catalog, and I gotta say, I find myself favoring the material from Permanent Waves through Clockwork Angels way more than the 70s stuff. It's funny as time moves on, what you vibe on changes. Not saying I dislike old Rush, just saying I favor the 80s though the end more. Except for Hold Your Fire. That's just awful. :lol
This is the way.
This may sound sacrilegious, but after seeing Ged do the book thing on Sunday night, I listened to the Rush catalog, and I gotta say, I find myself favoring the material from Permanent Waves through Clockwork Angels way more than the 70s stuff. It's funny as time moves on, what you vibe on changes. Not saying I dislike old Rush, just saying I favor the 80s though the end more. Except for Hold Your Fire. That's just awful. :lol
This is the way.
Agreed on all counts. Though I would probably throw in RTB as a stinker as well.
Feel like I just have to weigh in; in terms of SONGS, Hold Your Fire may be my FAVORITE Rush record. I don't care for all the instrumental choices, and I've said before, if Rush ever decided to do an acoustic version of their songs, I would nominate all of Hold Your Fire for that honor. Some of the melodies and arrangements on that record are simply beautiful.
Feel like I just have to weigh in; in terms of SONGS, Hold Your Fire may be my FAVORITE Rush record. I don't care for all the instrumental choices, and I've said before, if Rush ever decided to do an acoustic version of their songs, I would nominate all of Hold Your Fire for that honor. Some of the melodies and arrangements on that record are simply beautiful.
It just suffers from having to follow up the perfection of Power Windows. In retrospect, I have grown to like the album more than I used to. But at the time, it was (to me) the first ever Rush album with skip tracks.
Feel like I just have to weigh in; in terms of SONGS, Hold Your Fire may be my FAVORITE Rush record. I don't care for all the instrumental choices, and I've said before, if Rush ever decided to do an acoustic version of their songs, I would nominate all of Hold Your Fire for that honor. Some of the melodies and arrangements on that record are simply beautiful.
It just suffers from having to follow up the perfection of Power Windows. In retrospect, I have grown to like the album more than I used to. But at the time, it was (to me) the first ever Rush album with skip tracks.
Feel like I just have to weigh in; in terms of SONGS, Hold Your Fire may be my FAVORITE Rush record. I don't care for all the instrumental choices, and I've said before, if Rush ever decided to do an acoustic version of their songs, I would nominate all of Hold Your Fire for that honor. Some of the melodies and arrangements on that record are simply beautiful.
It just suffers from having to follow up the perfection of Power Windows. In retrospect, I have grown to like the album more than I used to. But at the time, it was (to me) the first ever Rush album with skip tracks.
Unfortunately, not for me. I'm not TAC, but Power Windows was not perfection even if it was a MASSIVE step forward from the abysmal Grace Under Pressure. After (but including) p/g, all Rush records were a cornucopia of excellent songs mixed with... not excellent songs. HYF seemed to have a preponderance of the former.
I think some of the chatter illustrates a good point, which is that the strong preference of many for the 70s material goes back to them growing up on it or hearing it first. It is hard not love the most what we hear first. And I think that is why a lot of the later material is more highly-regarded now than it used to be, because newer fans are coming in fresh without any strong allegiance to "their" era or anything like that. Don't get me wrong, my five favorite Rush songs are still from the 1976-1981 years, but when it comes to consistent songwriting on a higher level, their 80s material runs laps around the 70s.
I think some of the chatter illustrates a good point, which is that the strong preference of many for the 70s material goes back to them growing up on it or hearing it first. It is hard not love the most what we hear first. And I think that is why a lot of the later material is more highly-regarded now than it used to be, because newer fans are coming in fresh without any strong allegiance to "their" era or anything like that. Don't get me wrong, my five favorite Rush songs are still from the 1976-1981 years, but when it comes to consistent songwriting on a higher level, their 80s material runs laps around the 70s.
Stop it. That’s not true at all. Maybe your truth. Every 80’s album has clunkers. Especially Power Windows. And the newer fans are still beholden to their era, it’s just that it’s the 80’s.
I think some of the chatter illustrates a good point, which is that the strong preference of many for the 70s material goes back to them growing up on it or hearing it first. It is hard not love the most what we hear first. And I think that is why a lot of the later material is more highly-regarded now than it used to be, because newer fans are coming in fresh without any strong allegiance to "their" era or anything like that. Don't get me wrong, my five favorite Rush songs are still from the 1976-1981 years, but when it comes to consistent songwriting on a higher level, their 80s material runs laps around the 70s.
Stop it. That’s not true at all. Maybe your truth. Every 80’s album has clunkers. Especially Power Windows. And the newer fans are still beholden to their era, it’s just that it’s the 80’s.
Permanent Waves has Jacob’s Ladder and Moving Pictures has Witch Hunt. ;-) I’d say there are only a handful of 70s Rush songs that aren’t “clunkers.” Really it’s all tastes and preferences, and one man’s clunker is another man’s favorite (Emotion Detector is a top 3 Rush track for me).
I struggled with 70s music in general for a long time, so it was always unlikely that the 70s would be one of my favorite eras from Rush. But even Neil felt that they didn’t become a mature band until like Moving Pictures. There are things I appreciate from the 70s Rush, but it’s just not what I love about Rush for the most part.
I think some of the chatter illustrates a good point, which is that the strong preference of many for the 70s material goes back to them growing up on it or hearing it first. It is hard not love the most what we hear first. And I think that is why a lot of the later material is more highly-regarded now than it used to be, because newer fans are coming in fresh without any strong allegiance to "their" era or anything like that. Don't get me wrong, my five favorite Rush songs are still from the 1976-1981 years, but when it comes to consistent songwriting on a higher level, their 80s material runs laps around the 70s.
I think some of the chatter illustrates a good point, which is that the strong preference of many for the 70s material goes back to them growing up on it or hearing it first. It is hard not love the most what we hear first. And I think that is why a lot of the later material is more highly-regarded now than it used to be, because newer fans are coming in fresh without any strong allegiance to "their" era or anything like that. Don't get me wrong, my five favorite Rush songs are still from the 1976-1981 years, but when it comes to consistent songwriting on a higher level, their 80s material runs laps around the 70s.
Stop it. That’s not true at all. Maybe your truth. Every 80’s album has clunkers. Especially Power Windows. And the newer fans are still beholden to their era, it’s just that it’s the 80’s.
I meant newer fans like ones that came on board in the 21st century.
I am not going to get into a Power Windows discussion since it would be pointless, but every 80s album has clunkers? Really? Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures have clunkers??? That's a major hot take. :P
Are you telling me the majority of the 70s albums don't have at least one clunker? By my watch, they do.
Permanent Waves has Jacob’s Ladder and Moving Pictures has Witch Hunt. ;-) I’d say there are only a handful of 70s Rush songs that aren’t “clunkers.” Really it’s all tastes and preferences, and one man’s clunker is another man’s favorite (Emotion Detector is a top 3 Rush track for me).
I struggled with 70s music in general for a long time, so it was always unlikely that the 70s would be one of my favorite eras from Rush. But even Neil felt that they didn’t become a mature band until like Moving Pictures. There are things I appreciate from the 70s Rush, but it’s just not what I love about Rush for the most part.
Ironically, I love "Jacob's Ladder" and quite enjoy "Witch Hunt", while "Emotion Detector" is probably my least favorite on POW. The band themselves probably feel similarly because both JL and WH have been played on at least two tours each, and both at least on one tour in the 21st century. Meanwhile, in their last 15 years touring, they played SEVEN of the eight songs off of POW, with the only one not played was the one they never played live in the 80s - "Emotion Detector". They really showed POW fans some love bringing back nearly ever song live in the past 20+ years, but that one song just didn't work out I guess.
I think some of the chatter illustrates a good point, which is that the strong preference of many for the 70s material goes back to them growing up on it or hearing it first. It is hard not love the most what we hear first. And I think that is why a lot of the later material is more highly-regarded now than it used to be, because newer fans are coming in fresh without any strong allegiance to "their" era or anything like that. Don't get me wrong, my five favorite Rush songs are still from the 1976-1981 years, but when it comes to consistent songwriting on a higher level, their 80s material runs laps around the 70s.
Stop it. That’s not true at all. Maybe your truth. Every 80’s album has clunkers. Especially Power Windows. And the newer fans are still beholden to their era, it’s just that it’s the 80’s.
I meant newer fans like ones that came on board in the 21st century.
I am not going to get into a Power Windows discussion since it would be pointless, but every 80s album has clunkers? Really? Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures have clunkers??? That's a major hot take. :P
Are you telling me the majority of the 70s albums don't have at least one clunker? By my watch, they do.
I think some of the chatter illustrates a good point, which is that the strong preference of many for the 70s material goes back to them growing up on it or hearing it first. It is hard not love the most what we hear first. And I think that is why a lot of the later material is more highly-regarded now than it used to be, because newer fans are coming in fresh without any strong allegiance to "their" era or anything like that. Don't get me wrong, my five favorite Rush songs are still from the 1976-1981 years, but when it comes to consistent songwriting on a higher level, their 80s material runs laps around the 70s.
Stop it. That’s not true at all. Maybe your truth. Every 80’s album has clunkers. Especially Power Windows. And the newer fans are still beholden to their era, it’s just that it’s the 80’s.
I meant newer fans like ones that came on board in the 21st century.
I am not going to get into a Power Windows discussion since it would be pointless, but every 80s album has clunkers? Really? Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures have clunkers??? That's a major hot take. :P
Are you telling me the majority of the 70s albums don't have at least one clunker? By my watch, they do.
EVERY one of their albums have at least one clunker.
I consider Permanent Waves part of the 70's run.
Moving Pictures stands alone.
80's to me means Signals through HYF. I don't include Presto as part of the 80's run.
My point was that if you became a fan in the 80's then that is your era. There's plenty of fogeys that heard the 70's albums first and aren't gatekeepers to it.
It seems weird that I have to explain this, but when I say 70s Rush, I obviously mean the studio albums from the debut through Hemispheres, and when I say 80s Rush, I obviously mean the studio albums from Permanent Waves through Presto.
Yeesh.
So the audiobook of Ged's book is going to contain 2 songs written for his solo album. He cut them because he thought they were too personal and heavy at the time due to their subject matter. One is about the death of Neil's daughter and the other is loosely about Ged and his wife.
https://blabbermouth.net/news/geddy-lee-on-finding-lost-solo-demos-it-really-lifted-me-up-and-made-me-remember-how-much-fun-it-is-to-make-records
It seems weird that I have to explain this, but when I say 70s Rush, I obviously mean the studio albums from the debut through Hemispheres, and when I say 80s Rush, I obviously mean the studio albums from Permanent Waves through Presto.
Yeesh.
80's Rush does not get to claim Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures!!
So the audiobook of Ged's book is going to contain 2 songs written for his solo album. He cut them because he thought they were too personal and heavy at the time due to their subject matter. One is about the death of Neil's daughter and the other is loosely about Ged and his wife.
https://blabbermouth.net/news/geddy-lee-on-finding-lost-solo-demos-it-really-lifted-me-up-and-made-me-remember-how-much-fun-it-is-to-make-records
Hopefully they make it to some other format than just the audiobook, because while that's a cool incentive to pick up the audiobook, that's no way to listen to music I imagine.
Come to think of it, are audiobooks just on things like Audible now, or are they on CD still?
Permanent Waves has Jacob’s Ladder and Moving Pictures has Witch Hunt. ;-) I’d say there are only a handful of 70s Rush songs that aren’t “clunkers.” Really it’s all tastes and preferences, and one man’s clunker is another man’s favorite (Emotion Detector is a top 3 Rush track for me).You spelled Vital Signs wrong. (I love both WH *and* ED, and JL is a pretty darn good tune also)
I became a fan of Rush around 2001-2002. My first exposure was their "Sector 2" albums, plus 2112, the five-album god run. and that's where I fell in love with the band. For sure, those albums and the three before all have at least one "clunker", at the very least a fan-least-favorite here or there. As I have grown in my listening tastes and discovered how Rush evolved over time, I really began to love their 80s albums even more. The 90s stuff took a bit of time, but as I became a fan in 2002 or so, not long after Vapor Trails released, I was a *BIG* fan of their last three albums. Being a fan during those album cycles was very hype for me, so they got absorbed over much longer periods of time, unlike discovering 16-17 albums upon first listening to them, and hearing all those songs in a shorter amount of time.Interesting insight Marc. I got into Rush right around 1981 and while it's true throughout most of the 80s I thought that the "synth" albums Rush was doing weren't as good as the older stuff, in the decades since, I've come to appreciate them more (especially PoW!) so that I probably regard them just as highly as the previous era of albums (AFtK-MP).
Then again, even though I am a "newer" fan by comparison to some here, I feel like I love and appreciate every where of Rush, though I'd say their "Sector 4" material is where I lack a bit of appreciation for some of it (though Counterparts is a Top 10 Rush album for me, despite a few clunkers there as well).
Sorry Timmay - Kev put it pretty succinctly. 80s Rush includes everything released in the 1980s, like it or not. :-*It seems weird that I have to explain this, but when I say 70s Rush, I obviously mean the studio albums from the debut through Hemispheres, and when I say 80s Rush, I obviously mean the studio albums from Permanent Waves through Presto.80's Rush does not get to claim Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures!!
Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures deserve their own sector! ;D
Permanent Waves has Jacob’s Ladder and Moving Pictures has Witch Hunt. ;-) I’d say there are only a handful of 70s Rush songs that aren’t “clunkers.” Really it’s all tastes and preferences, and one man’s clunker is another man’s favorite (Emotion Detector is a top 3 Rush track for me).You spelled Vital Signs wrong. (I love both WH *and* ED, and JL is a pretty darn good tune also)
Update: A Farewell to Kings has keyboards on it, so I am considering it an 80s album.
This means the margin of victory of the 80s over the 70s just got even larger!!
Update: A Farewell to Kings has keyboards on it, so I am considering it an 80s album.
This means the margin of victory of the 80s over the 70s just got even larger!!
A Farewell To Kings is their worst 70's album, so that makes sense.
Calling PEW an 80s album purely by release date is akin to a kid born in late 1989 calling themselves an 80s kid.
-Marc.
Calling PEW an 80s album purely by release date is akin to a kid born in late 1989 calling themselves an 80s kid.
-Marc.
Right. I was born in 1968 and I'd never call myself a 60's kid.
Calling PEW an 80s album purely by release date is akin to a kid born in late 1989 calling themselves an 80s kid.
-Marc.
Right. I was born in 1968 and I'd never call myself a 60's kid.
You just call yourself, old. Yeah. I know. I am too, sucka!
I'm trying to understand how an album released in the 80's wouldn't be considered an 80's album lol. My head is spinning a bit :lol
I'm trying to understand how an album released in the 80's wouldn't be considered an 80's album lol. My head is spinning a bit :lol
I'm trying to understand how an album released in the 80's wouldn't be considered an 80's album lol. My head is spinning a bit :lol
There's no sense in trying to make sense out of something that doesn't make sense.
Permanent Waves has Jacob’s Ladder and Moving Pictures has Witch Hunt. ;-) I’d say there are only a handful of 70s Rush songs that aren’t “clunkers.” Really it’s all tastes and preferences, and one man’s clunker is another man’s favorite (Emotion Detector is a top 3 Rush track for me).
I struggled with 70s music in general for a long time, so it was always unlikely that the 70s would be one of my favorite eras from Rush. But even Neil felt that they didn’t become a mature band until like Moving Pictures. There are things I appreciate from the 70s Rush, but it’s just not what I love about Rush for the most part.
I'm trying to understand how an album released in the 80's wouldn't be considered an 80's album lol. My head is spinning a bit :lol
There's no sense in trying to make sense out of something that doesn't make sense.
It makes perfect sense to me. From a sound and style perspective, PeW has a lot more in common with the albums that preceded it vs the albums that followed it. So if the intent is solely to categorize the "decade" by release date that coincides with a Gregorian calendar, you have a point. If the means of categorizing the "decade" is by the sound and style, then it makes perfect sense to not consider PeW an "80s" album.
And for the record, I'm on Tim's side of this. Just because it was released 18 days into the decade doesn't change how it sounds - and it makes better sense to categorize it along with Hem/AFTK/2112... vs MP/Signals/GUP ...
When someones says "80s Rush", I highly doubt (m)any think of PeW.
Would Presto be considered a 90's album?
I will also say that I find it amusing that we've once again circled back to how to cluster Rush's albums.
WTF @ this thread
80s means released in the 80s. Likewise, 70s means released in the 70s.
It's just math, people. Prog nerds usually at least get THAT right.
When you're talking about a group of albums, and you aren't actually referring to their release date, you shouldn't classify them by release date. That's just inaccurate, and an impediment to clear communication.
I mean, unless you don't care about that sort of thing lol
My head is still spinning like a top with this thread. Is Moving Pictures considered an 80's album because it was released in the 80's. Or is it a 70's or 90's album?
Yep. And besides, they are a hard rock band at heart, not prog. :P
Yep. And besides, they are a hard rock band at heart, not prog. :P
OK this is even more baffling to me than the decade argument.
Yep. And besides, they are a hard rock band at heart, not prog. :P
OK this is even more baffling to me than the decade argument.
You like Test for Echo more than Counterparts, so you being baffled in this thread is nothing new. :biggrin:
https://www.loudersound.com/news/geddy-lee-says-he-and-alex-lifeson-have-talked-about-recruiting-one-of-the-worlds-great-drummers-to-tour-as-rush-again
so who are the best guesses they are recruiting "one of the world's great drummers"?
Gavin Harrison?
Danny Carey?
Simon Phillips?
Just listened to, and bought, Geddy Lee's The Lost Demos. Wonderful songs, and it puts me in the mood to listen to MFH for the first time in years.
-Marc.
Would you classify a song's decade by when it was written, first performed, or officially released?Released.
For 21 dates in the late summer of 1979, Rush played "The Spirit Of Radio" and "Freewill" and for fans who saw them at those shows, they were still 70s Rush. Even the promo single for TSOR came out in December 1979 (according to wikipedia). So if you're looking at just those two songs, there is an argument to be made that, for at least those two songs, they're 70s Rush.I don't care. For the world at large, that's not the case.
-Marc.
Is that Eddie And The Cruisers?No, he's in That Thing You Do! which is a wonderful film.
For 21 dates in the late summer of 1979, Rush played "The Spirit Of Radio" and "Freewill" and for fans who saw them at those shows, they were still 70s Rush. Even the promo single for TSOR came out in December 1979 (according to wikipedia). So if you're looking at just those two songs, there is an argument to be made that, for at least those two songs, they're 70s Rush.I don't care. For the world at large, that's not the case.
-Marc.
But to make things more complex, I personally count 1980 as the last year of the 70s, and 1990 as the last year of the 80s. Because a decade is ten years, and you don't start counting with year 0 - there IS NO year zero. You start with year 1. So the last year of the very first decade was the year 10.
So the 70s are 1971 - 1980. And so on.
The 1980s (pronounced "nineteen-eighties", shortened to "the '80s" or "the Eighties") was a decade that began January 1, 1980, and ended December 31, 1989.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980s
so who are the best guesses they are recruiting "one of the world's great drummers"?
Is that Eddie And The Cruisers?
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-24-2015/pEEK-Q.gif)
This dude could probably give it a good shot.
Have you guys listened to Geddy's demos? They were released yesterday or this morning in streaming services. These are from his solo album sessions.
Just listened to, and bought, Geddy Lee's The Lost Demos. Wonderful songs, and it puts me in the mood to listen to MFH for the first time in years.
-Marc.
Is that Eddie And The Cruisers?
That Thing You Do (which I randomly saw within the last year for the first time since it was released and was reminded that it's REALLY good).
I think so. Tempo is a more major musical element than just drum pattern.
That Thing You Do (which I randomly saw within the last year for the first time since it was released and was reminded that it's REALLY good).
This takes the thread into a different place, but how that film played out raises a good question about songwriting. Within the context of the story, the song That Thing You Do was written by Jimmy and Lenny, but it was written as a slower ballad. It only became a fast song when Guy played it "too fast" at that talent show, and obviously it became their big hit at Guy's tempo. Would Guy get a songwriting credit for that since his tempo change technically altered the arrangement?
I think so. Tempo is a more major musical element than just drum pattern.
That Thing You Do (which I randomly saw within the last year for the first time since it was released and was reminded that it's REALLY good).
This takes the thread into a different place, but how that film played out raises a good question about songwriting. Within the context of the story, the song That Thing You Do was written by Jimmy and Lenny, but it was written as a slower ballad. It only became a fast song when Guy played it "too fast" at that talent show, and obviously it became their big hit at Guy's tempo. Would Guy get a songwriting credit for that since his tempo change technically altered the arrangement?
Interesting question. From a business standpoint, I would say no since it simply falls on the "arrangement" side of things, and even that is debatable. Makes me think of Depeche Mode's Enjoy the Silence. Originally it was a very basic and simple ballad that Martin Gore had written. Listening to it in that state, it probably would've gone nowhere. But bandmate Alan Wilder insisted on redoing it as an up-tempo song, and it ended up being their highest charting single in the US. And yet only Gore is credited with the songwriting. This sort of thing (not receiving any credit for his contributions) ultimately led to Wilder leaving the group after the following album. That said, it's not something that I would necessarily agree with - I think Wilder should've received some songwriting credit - but I believe that's generally the way the business works.Depends. If it's Ozzy or Kiss, no. If it's Van Halen or Sabbath, maybe.I think so. Tempo is a more major musical element than just drum pattern.That Thing You Do (which I randomly saw within the last year for the first time since it was released and was reminded that it's REALLY good).This takes the thread into a different place, but how that film played out raises a good question about songwriting. Within the context of the story, the song That Thing You Do was written by Jimmy and Lenny, but it was written as a slower ballad. It only became a fast song when Guy played it "too fast" at that talent show, and obviously it became their big hit at Guy's tempo. Would Guy get a songwriting credit for that since his tempo change technically altered the arrangement?
Different bands do it different ways. Regardless of who came up with the original song, by the time it's recorded and performed, everyone in the band has contributed at least something to it, even if it's "just playing their parts". One could argue that a song would not have been a hit without that killer guitar solo, or the fact that the drummer cooked up the tempo, but it can still be hard to separate the arrangement and setting from the song itself.
Early Genesis always credited every song to all five of them, for this very reason. They all contributed to the final song. Later, they went with individual songwriting credits because some felt that it was important. Royalties are paid according to who wrote the song, not who played on it.
So yeah, it depends.
Different bands do it different ways. Regardless of who came up with the original song, by the time it's recorded and performed, everyone in the band has contributed at least something to it, even if it's "just playing their parts". One could argue that a song would not have been a hit without that killer guitar solo, or the fact that the drummer cooked up the tempo, but it can still be hard to separate the arrangement and setting from the song itself.
Early Genesis always credited every song to all five of them, for this very reason. They all contributed to the final song. Later, they went with individual songwriting credits because some felt that it was important. Royalties are paid according to who wrote the song, not who played on it.
So yeah, it depends.
Early Genesis always credited every song to all five of them, for this very reason. They all contributed to the final song. Later, they went with individual songwriting credits because some felt that it was important. Royalties are paid according to who wrote the song, not who played on it.
And then they went back. I think Abacab was the last to have individual credits (and even then, it was one song each).
Anybody watch Geddy's new show on Amazon Prime? It's fantastic.
Anybody watch Geddy's new show on Amazon Prime? It's fantastic.
Anybody watch Geddy's new show on Amazon Prime? It's fantastic.
It's actually Paramount+. I just watched the whole thing. I wanted more. It seems they really could have thrown more into each episode. Either way, it was a fascinating watch.
^^ Maybe they are just gathering around together in Toronto to see if Ohtani signs with the Blue Jays.
^^ Maybe they are just gathering around together in Toronto to see if Ohtani signs with the Blue Jays.
^^ Maybe they are just gathering around together in Toronto to see if Ohtani signs with the Blue Jays.
Ohtani is the new Rush drummer, confirmed.
My Geddy book should arrive any day now.
DTF, what are your thoughts on his one and only solo album, My Favourite Headache? I actually haven't heard that one, and I've been meaning to check it out.
My take on the whole continuing Rush thing is this. I got the sense after last night that Geddy and Alex are going out as Rush again. They just need to sit down and talk about how, and then go through the process of finding the right person to play with. Ged answered questions that he'd like to try and play for three hours again, and you could just tell from his vibe that he's being coy -- it's going to happen. After an article I read where Ged said he doesn't plan too far ahead any longer, was finishing this book tour, going on vacation, and then discussing the future after that, I think Ged's being absolutely 100 percent forthright. He and Al will sit down in the spring and figure out what they are doing.
Every Monday night. Tough getting up on Tuesdays listening to Rockline.
This may sound sacrilegious, but after seeing Ged do the book thing on Sunday night, I listened to the Rush catalog, and I gotta say, I find myself favoring the material from Permanent Waves through Clockwork Angels way more than the 70s stuff. It's funny as time moves on, what you vibe on changes. Not saying I dislike old Rush, just saying I favor the 80s though the end more. Except for Hold Your Fire. That's just awful. :lol
So the audiobook of Ged's book is going to contain 2 songs written for his solo album. He cut them because he thought they were too personal and heavy at the time due to their subject matter. One is about the death of Neil's daughter and the other is loosely about Ged and his wife.
https://blabbermouth.net/news/geddy-lee-on-finding-lost-solo-demos-it-really-lifted-me-up-and-made-me-remember-how-much-fun-it-is-to-make-records
Hopefully they make it to some other format than just the audiobook, because while that's a cool incentive to pick up the audiobook, that's no way to listen to music I imagine.
Come to think of it, are audiobooks just on things like Audible now, or are they on CD still?
Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures deserve their own sector! ;D
They are special albums that I never get sick of listening too.
I just watched Geddy's new show on Prime, "Are bass players human too?" It's amazing for music fans. 2 episodes in and awe yeah.
Anybody watch Geddy's new show on Amazon Prime? It's fantastic.
It's actually Paramount+. I just watched the whole thing. I wanted more. It seems they really could have thrown more into each episode. Either way, it was a fascinating watch.
I watched most of the show yesterday, still one more episode to go.
I thought it was pretty enjoyable. Very cool to see Geddy playing the Bass of Doom (Jaco Pastorius's bass).
^^ Maybe they are just gathering around together in Toronto to see if Ohtani signs with the Blue Jays.
Ohtani is the new Rush drummer, confirmed.
I’ve actually got some of those Rockline interviews on vinyl. DJ pressings for local radio stations to play. I have no idea if they are worth anything, but a family friend who was a collector gifted them to me because he knew I was a Rush freak.
I went to see Ged and Al at Massey Hall last night. So funny!!!! Some of the questions directed to Geddy that Al interjected:
"What was the song of the first dance at your wedding?". Geddy looking puzzled "that was a tough one..." and Alex "was it Working Man?"
“If you were given the chance to start over again, what would you have done differently?”
Geddy: “nothing, I’m really happy with what we have achieved”
Alex: “I would have joined The Beatles!”
“What was one encounter with a fellow musician that left you intimidated?”
Geddy: “playing with Yes at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame was really special, even though they were split in two camps at the time. But getting a hug from Steve Howe was a great feeling, because they had been my idols for a long time”
Alex: “around 1992 I was paying the bill at a restaurant, and what do you know?!?! In walks Geddy Lee of Rush! I couldn’t believe it, it was so great!”
I’ve actually got some of those Rockline interviews on vinyl. DJ pressings for local radio stations to play. I have no idea if they are worth anything, but a family friend who was a collector gifted them to me because he knew I was a Rush freak.
Wow
They were live via satellite. Were they pressed after the show aired originally? What do they look like?
I have a bunch of vinyl and CD Rush radio shows but not Rockline. I think I saw a Rush Rockline CD once recorded in 2003.
Rush definitely deserves a proper farewell show. Can't remember where that last show was years ago, but it didn't mean anything.
I was there and fully agree. The only thing question was if it truly was the last show, but you kinda got the sense that it was. And when Neil came out to take a final bow, that just sealed it in my mind for certain that I witnessed the final Rush show.Rush definitely deserves a proper farewell show. Can't remember where that last show was years ago, but it didn't mean anything.This seems like an odd take to me. The August 1, 2015 show at the Inglewood Forum was absolutely a "proper farewell show." I and everyone else in attendance knew what it was. It was an incredible night that meant everything to those in attendance.
Probably no one but me will care, but experimental musician Fire-Toolz just released a cover of Tai-Shan. Pretty good!
Well, if you like it, check out that cover. I thought it was pretty good.Probably no one but me will care, but experimental musician Fire-Toolz just released a cover of Tai-Shan. Pretty good!
Personally, I love the song Tai-Shan!
There were a lot of Rush fans that hated the song and called it a filler song which of course I don't think Rush had filler songs.
Probably no one but me will care, but experimental musician Fire-Toolz just released a cover of Tai-Shan. Pretty good!
Personally, I love the song Tai-Shan!
There were a lot of Rush fans that hated the song and called it a filler song which of course I don't think Rush had filler songs.
I’ve actually got some of those Rockline interviews on vinyl. DJ pressings for local radio stations to play. I have no idea if they are worth anything, but a family friend who was a collector gifted them to me because he knew I was a Rush freak.
Wow
They were live via satellite. Were they pressed after the show aired originally? What do they look like?
I have a bunch of vinyl and CD Rush radio shows but not Rockline. I think I saw a Rush Rockline CD once recorded in 2003.
I hadn’t pulled them off the shelf in a very long time so I went downstairs to double check and I was mistaken. They are “Innerview” interviews with Jim Ladd. They are in a plain white cardboard slipcover with a light blue label. One set is from the release of Moving Pictures and the other is from a different album…possibly GUP?
Rush definitely deserves a proper farewell show. Can't remember where that last show was years ago, but it didn't mean anything.
This seems like an odd take to me. The August 1, 2015 show at the Inglewood Forum was absolutely a "proper farewell show." I and everyone else in attendance knew what it was. It was an incredible night that meant everything to those in attendance.
For those baseball and Geddy fans out hereThat collection is altogether crazy.
https://www.christies.com/auction/auction-20998-nyr
Very interesting baseballs that he collected/sold off
Probably no one but me will care, but experimental musician Fire-Toolz just released a cover of Tai-Shan. Pretty good!
Personally, I love the song Tai-Shan!
There were a lot of Rush fans that hated the song and called it a filler song which of course I don't think Rush had filler songs.
I think it's a very good song too; Geddy trashed it one time and it's my pet theory that that was the impetus of a lot of the hate.
To Hef - I took a listening of Fire-Toolz version and I really like it! Thanks for the head's up! :tupHey, that's what I'm here for. It's my job. It's what I do.
I didn't know Geddy didn't like it until it came up on this forum, probably just within the last few years. I think it's fine, just maybe a weaker song by Rush standards. I don't hate it at all; more like I could take it or leave it.Probably no one but me will care, but experimental musician Fire-Toolz just released a cover of Tai-Shan. Pretty good!
Personally, I love the song Tai-Shan!
There were a lot of Rush fans that hated the song and called it a filler song which of course I don't think Rush had filler songs.
I think it's a very good song too; Geddy trashed it one time and it's my pet theory that that was the impetus of a lot of the hate.
I remember Geddy not really thrilled with it which had me scratching my head when I read that interview. There are a lot of keyboard nuisances that I think are wonderful but if you were a member of the Rush message boards back in the day, there wasn't a ton of love for that song.
I wonder what the implications are from a promotional and attendance perspective if they tour as Rush versus don't tour as Rush. I'd imagine touring as Rush would be more profitable and allow them to book bigger venues. Touring as "Lee and Lifeson" or whatever probably means more of a DT-sized tour or something like that.
My take on the whole continuing Rush thing is this. I got the sense after last night that Geddy and Alex are going out as Rush again. They just need to sit down and talk about how, and then go through the process of finding the right person to play with. Ged answered questions that he'd like to try and play for three hours again, and you could just tell from his vibe that he's being coy -- it's going to happen. After an article I read where Ged said he doesn't plan too far ahead any longer, was finishing this book tour, going on vacation, and then discussing the future after that, I think Ged's being absolutely 100 percent forthright. He and Al will sit down in the spring and figure out what they are doing.
Something will happen. Geddy is all in. Won't be called Rush.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIG4ZmNy4jM
The SF show....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOJByH9_0ew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxJvjqb9kmk
There is the position that Rush is not just a band name, but the name of a specific group of three people: Alex, Geddy, and Neil. Sure, Rush existed before Neil, 50 years ago or whatever it was, but Rush definitely became known as those three, just as Led Zeppelin was four specific individuals, just as Queen was four specific individuals. Led Zeppelin bent their own rule a few times in situations where everyone knew exactly what was going on and why. Queen chose to "qualify" their name; out of respect for Freddie, you can't just get a new singer and call it Queen.It's understandable if that's the way that Geddy and Alex choose to do it. What I don't understand is the EXPECTATION by anyone not named Geddy or Alex that if they tour, it won't be as Rush. They ARE Rush; they are the only ones that get to decide if they use that name or not, and frankly it isn't anyone else's business. But whichever way they want to do it is cool.
You may not agree with not calling it Rush because it won't have Neil, but it's a completely understandable position and not an uncommon one.
Galexy LeefesonFeaturing these two guys:
Like having it billed as "Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson," with the sub-headline "Playing the music of Rush" is still going to sell. It may not be big arenas, but it's something that can sell and people would want to go to.
Maybe they could tour Australia for the first time...........please?
Galexy LeefesonFeaturing these two guys:
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Wow, Rush has never played Australia?
Maybe they could tour Australia for the first time...........please?
Over Neil Peart's dead body..
Sorry ;D
Jesus Tim. LolI think you mean Satan Tim.
Jesus Tim. LolI think you mean Satan Tim.
I think we've had enough photomagic for one day. :lolJust in case anyone missed it in the other thread....
You can see my counterparts..
That was the first thing I woke up to this morning.Pretty much just makes you want to go back to sleep. :lol
That was the first thing I woke up to this morning.Pretty much just makes you want to go back to sleep. :lol
It's one of those sights that could cause people to need to see their therapist.That was the first thing I woke up to this morning.Pretty much just makes you want to go back to sleep. :lol
It's almost mid day and I still can't open the blinds, traumatized.
That was the first thing I woke up to this morning.
That was the first thing I woke up to this morning.
I wake up to it every morning. :lol
Starts to open the door to the thread... No, sorry to disturb, I'll come back later....
You can almost see my counterparts..
More like, Where's My Thing?You can almost see my counterparts..
Leave That Thing Alone
More like, Where's My Thing?You can almost see my counterparts..
Leave That Thing Alone
I just gagged.
Good to know! I'll have to check out the audiobook at some point.Starts to open the door to the thread... No, sorry to disturb, I'll come back later....
Right?
Anyway, hopefully back to the topic: I like Rush. Enough to have seen them a few times in concert, at least. Probably liked the personalities more than most of the music, especially with respect to their output since the reunion (is that the right word to use?). Was aware of Geddy's autobiography but didn't feel the need to engage with it. Until, that is, on Monday when faced with a roadtrip for work, I was looking for a new audiobook. I chose My Effin' Life. And wow, I'm about five hours in now and it's absolutely fabulous. Geddy really brings his words to life and the appearance (only one so far) by Alex is wonderful. If you've only read the book, do yourself a favour and grab the audiobook. It's so much more than the words alone can be.
Yes, thanks for the heads up! I'm going to pickup the audiobook now as well.Good to know! I'll have to check out the audiobook at some point.Starts to open the door to the thread... No, sorry to disturb, I'll come back later....
Right?
Anyway, hopefully back to the topic: I like Rush. Enough to have seen them a few times in concert, at least. Probably liked the personalities more than most of the music, especially with respect to their output since the reunion (is that the right word to use?). Was aware of Geddy's autobiography but didn't feel the need to engage with it. Until, that is, on Monday when faced with a roadtrip for work, I was looking for a new audiobook. I chose My Effin' Life. And wow, I'm about five hours in now and it's absolutely fabulous. Geddy really brings his words to life and the appearance (only one so far) by Alex is wonderful. If you've only read the book, do yourself a favour and grab the audiobook. It's so much more than the words alone can be.
I just gagged.
Don't swallow the poison; spit it out (if you don't like it).
Sounds like Wolfie's in the mood. :eyebrows:
I just gagged.
Don't swallow the poison; spit it out (if you don't like it).
David Coverdale thanks you. :)
That might be the speed of love for you, but in the end, it's really heresy. That's probably a far cry from what you think, but for what it's worth, that's how it is.Sounds like Wolfie's in the mood. :eyebrows:
It's true. Im always in the mood. It's an open secret.
Has anyone else seen this before? I had no idea there was unreleased demo material and it's from Tim's favorite album too :neverusethis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE1X8QjtAoc
I wonder what else is out there now...
Has anyone else seen this before? I had no idea there was unreleased demo material and it's from Tim's favorite album too :neverusethis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE1X8QjtAoc
I wonder what else is out there now...
Has anyone else seen this before? I had no idea there was unreleased demo material and it's from Tim's favorite album too :neverusethis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE1X8QjtAoc
I wonder what else is out there now...
These have been out for a while now. Kind of a fluke that they escaped the studio.
Has anyone else seen this before? I had no idea there was unreleased demo material and it's from Tim's favorite album too :neverusethis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE1X8QjtAoc
I wonder what else is out there now...
Has anyone else seen this before? I had no idea there was unreleased demo material and it's from Tim's favorite album too :neverusethis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE1X8QjtAoc
I wonder what else is out there now...
These have been out for a while now. Kind of a fluke that they escaped the studio.
Kind of a fluke that whole album escaped the studio.
Has anyone else seen this before? I had no idea there was unreleased demo material and it's from Tim's favorite album too :neverusethis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE1X8QjtAoc
I wonder what else is out there now...
Wow. Middletown Dreams was interesting. I'll dive into this whole thing.
Has anyone else seen this before? I had no idea there was unreleased demo material and it's from Tim's favorite album too :neverusethis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE1X8QjtAoc
I wonder what else is out there now...
Wow. Middletown Dreams was interesting. I'll dive into this whole thing.
This pleases me like no other.
Fucking A it it is. Metal or die Tim knows no melody.
Fucking A it it is. Metal or die Tim knows no melody.
Does melody walk through the door or does it fly out the Power window? I don't remember.
I'm a forward thinker. ;D
Tim and I scaringly agree on the majority of things but Power Windows I think over time has been my 'go to' Rush album. The synth era is by far my fav. I'm not big on the old stuff, the Moving Pictures era is of course wonderful but GUP, Signals, Power Windows even Hold Your Fire is climbing the rankings. Counterparts is up there too actually but that synth stuff is unmatched and PW keeps coming out on top. Just an amazing album in every single way.Tim is really not the majority. In his mind he is the and all be all bit he is concussed from his metal listening.
Tim and I scaringly agree on the majority of things but Power Windows I think over time has been my 'go to' Rush album. The synth era is by far my fav. I'm not big on the old stuff, the Moving Pictures era is of course wonderful but GUP, Signals, Power Windows even Hold Your Fire is climbing the rankings. Counterparts is up there too actually but that synth stuff is unmatched and PW keeps coming out on top. Just an amazing album in every single way.Tim is really not the majority. In his mind he is the and all be all bit he is concussed from his metal listening.
Tim and I scaringly agree on the majority of things but Power Windows I think over time has been my 'go to' Rush album. The synth era is by far my fav. I'm not big on the old stuff, the Moving Pictures era is of course wonderful but GUP, Signals, Power Windows even Hold Your Fire is climbing the rankings. Counterparts is up there too actually but that synth stuff is unmatched and PW keeps coming out on top. Just an amazing album in every single way.The Synth Era is also my favorite era as well. They were way more consistent in songwriting and lyrics throughout this period and Power Windows was the pinnacle.
I'm a forward thinker. ;DNo, you're just weird. :)
Tim and I scaringly agree on the majority of things but Power Windows I think over time has been my 'go to' Rush album. The synth era is by far my fav. I'm not big on the old stuff, the Moving Pictures era is of course wonderful but GUP, Signals, Power Windows even Hold Your Fire is climbing the rankings. Counterparts is up there too actually but that synth stuff is unmatched and PW keeps coming out on top. Just an amazing album in every single way.The Synth Era is also my favorite era as well. They were way more consistent in songwriting and lyrics throughout this period and Power Windows was the pinnacle.
I was lucky to see the synth era live.
Grace was my 1st show out of 31 shows I saw.
Grace was my 1st show out of 31 shows I saw.
Yeah, 1984 was very early in my concert going. I only saw 3 shows...
Van Halen
Scorps/Bon Jovi
Dio/Twisted Sister
Has anyone else seen this before? I had no idea there was unreleased demo material and it's from Tim's favorite album too :neverusethis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE1X8QjtAoc
I wonder what else is out there now...
These have been out for a while now. Kind of a fluke that they escaped the studio.
Kind of a fluke that whole album escaped the studio.
Grace was my 1st show out of 31 shows I saw.
Yeah, 1984 was very early in my concert going. I only saw 3 shows...
Van Halen
Scorps/Bon Jovi
Dio/Twisted Sister
Has anyone else seen this before? I had no idea there was unreleased demo material and it's from Tim's favorite album too :neverusethis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE1X8QjtAoc
I wonder what else is out there now...
These have been out for a while now. Kind of a fluke that they escaped the studio.
Kind of a fluke that whole album escaped the studio.
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/ZdUnQS4AXEl1AERdil/200w.gif?cid=6c09b952fh0a17ojcun7vyzotpsbtswkos9tp8dvcyn38hpn&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g)Grace was my 1st show out of 31 shows I saw.
Yeah, 1984 was very early in my concert going. I only saw 3 shows...
Van Halen
Scorps/Bon Jovi
Dio/Twisted Sister
- Ozzy with Ratt
- Judas Priest with Great White
- Rush with Gary Moore
- Dio with Rough Cutt
Unfortunately, an incident after the Dio concert prevented any further concerts until Dio came around again the next year - after I turned 18.
- Ozzy with Ratt
- Judas Priest with Great White
- Rush with Gary Moore
- Dio with Rough Cutt
Nov 24, 1984: KISS/Queensrÿche, New Haven Veterans Memorial Coliseum
Mar 1, 1984: KISS/Accept, New Haven Veterans Memorial Coliseum
Funny random thought relating to Rush. I was watching a trailer ad that played Tom Sawyer in the background to plug this movie, The Iron Claw, which talks about the Von Erich wrestling family (Kerry Von Erich use Tom Sawyer as an entrance music and referred himself as a modern-day warrior back in the day) and it amused me in the comments section where you had a few people that's like "what's that song in the background."
Then you realize. Wow. That song was released 42 years ago and we are at a point where adult people in the now are still hearing Rush's most-well known song for the first time. It's something amusing to note.
- Ozzy with Ratt
- Judas Priest with Great White
- Rush with Gary Moore
- Dio with Rough Cutt
We got Dio/Rough Cutt in 1985 on the first Sacred Heart leg with Vivian still in the band.
Motley Crue and Waysted opened Ozzy's tour here, but I didn't see that. Priest/Great White also played the East Coast. I don't remember who opened for Rush here, Joe could tell us, but I didn't think it was Gary Moore.
Don't bother telling us; none of us are at all interested in hearing about your "incident". ;) :) :) :)
Then you realize. Wow. That song was released 42 years ago and we are at a point where adult people in the now are still hearing Rush's most-well known song for the first time. It's something amusing to note.
- Ozzy with Ratt
- Judas Priest with Great White
- Rush with Gary Moore
- Dio with Rough Cutt
We got Dio/Rough Cutt in 1985 on the first Sacred Heart leg with Vivian still in the band.
Motley Crue and Waysted opened Ozzy's tour here, but I didn't see that. Priest/Great White also played the East Coast. I don't remember who opened for Rush here, Joe could tell us, but I didn't think it was Gary Moore.
We got Rough Cutt with Dio on both Last in Line and Sacred Heart.
Funny random thought relating to Rush. I was watching a trailer ad that played Tom Sawyer in the background to plug this movie, The Iron Claw, which talks about the Von Erich wrestling family (Kerry Von Erich use Tom Sawyer as an entrance music and referred himself as a modern-day warrior back in the day) and it amused me in the comments section where you had a few people that's like "what's that song in the background."
Then you realize. Wow. That song was released 42 years ago and we are at a point where adult people in the now are still hearing Rush's most-well known song for the first time. It's something amusing to note.
- Ozzy with Ratt
- Judas Priest with Great White
- Rush with Gary Moore
- Dio with Rough Cutt
We got Dio/Rough Cutt in 1985 on the first Sacred Heart leg with Vivian still in the band.
Motley Crue and Waysted opened Ozzy's tour here, but I didn't see that. Priest/Great White also played the East Coast. I don't remember who opened for Rush here, Joe could tell us, but I didn't think it was Gary Moore.
We got Rough Cutt with Dio on both Last in Line and Sacred Heart.
That sucks! :lol
I bought the first Rough Cutt cassette before we went to the concert and Dio even dedicated a page in their Sacred Heart tour program for them. He was pimping them hard.
Believe it or not, I actually listened to that Rough Cutt album for the first time in decades, and it blows!
At least the second time through on the Sacred Heart tour, this time with Craig Goldie, we got Accept.
pg, I used to tell my dad his music was old as a teen in the 80's and the songs he loved were 30 years old. Now I listen to music that is 50 years old. This shit ain't funny anymore. :lol
I have never heard of Rough Cutt. Why does cut have an extra t and surely they missed an opportunity to spell it as Ruff?
I have never heard of Rough Cutt. Why does cut have an extra t and surely they missed an opportunity to spell it as Ruff?
The sukk and bloww.
I have never heard of Rough Cutt. Why does cut have an extra t and surely they missed an opportunity to spell it as Ruff?
The sukk and bloww.
That's ruff on them mate. I'm sure they are not thatt bad.
What, no one's gonna comment on the Del Taco story? I thought it was a great story. One to tell the kids, maybe, once they're adults.
I have never heard of Rough Cutt. Why does cut have an extra t and surely they missed an opportunity to spell it as Ruff?
The sukk and bloww.
That's ruff on them mate. I'm sure they are not thatt bad.
They're actually thatt badd.
I have never heard of Rough Cutt. Why does cut have an extra t and surely they missed an opportunity to spell it as Ruff?
The sukk and bloww.
That's ruff on them mate. I'm sure they are not thatt bad.
They're actually thatt badd.
Yeah...I forgot that Jake E. Lee, Craig Goldy and Claude Schnell were members before they became known. I assume the two "T's" were just to stand out (like another mostly shitty L.A. band at the time).
Then you realize. Wow. That song was released 42 years ago and we are at a point where adult people in the now are still hearing Rush's most-well known song for the first time. It's something amusing to note.
I remember back in those days thinking that WWII was ancient history (although my father served in that war). The time between the end of WWII and the release date of Moving Pictures was not quite 36 years, and it's been nearly 43 years now since MP was released. When I was a teenager, 43 year old music was a joke.
What, no one's gonna comment on the Del Taco story? I thought it was a great story. One to tell the kids, maybe, once they're adults.
My daughter loves the story. I did NOT include it among my "interesting story" options when I was on Jeopardy. :biggrin:
What, no one's gonna comment on the Del Taco story? I thought it was a great story. One to tell the kids, maybe, once they're adults.
My daughter loves the story. I did NOT include it among my "interesting story" options when I was on Jeopardy. :biggrin:
I thought that was a great story. I mean, besides the misdemeanor charges, that is. I can just picture that kid with a jersey half on, half off, no buttons saying "but officer, I work here!" ;)
Fucking A it it is. Metal or die Tim knows no melody.
I don't know who the guy on the left is. Also, that looks like Terry Brown in the background.
I don't know who the guy on the left is. Also, that looks like Terry Brown in the background.
It's Chance Labrie, James' son.
pg, I used to tell my dad his music was old as a teen in the 80's and the songs he loved were 30 years old. Now I listen to music that is 50 years old.
(https://imgur.com/TZNQsmL.jpg)"Glee" signed your copy? :o
This was under the tree this morning. Signed First Edition.
(https://imgur.com/l2qRThW.jpg)
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I'm not sure how many he sat down and signed for the sole purpose of creating collector's items, but the number is finite and I have one. :hat
It's a common mistake to assume that when a kid (or an adult for that matter) is quiet, he must be some sort of deep thinker. In my case I;m afraid I t was simply that I didn't have much to say.
Nice! I'm halfway through my unsigned copy (been really savoring it.) and I'm only up to 1977. Got to cover 40 plus more years in 250 pages. Seems like quite a bit will be skipped over.
Nice! I'm halfway through my unsigned copy (been really savoring it.) and I'm only up to 1977. Got to cover 40 plus more years in 250 pages. Seems like quite a bit will be skipped over.
That's sadly the case for pretty much every biography I've ever read. They focus a lot on the early years, and then skip over the majority of the discography. Some albums never even get a mention in some of the books.
I'm up to about 1975 now in this one, and that's just half the book left to go.
Nice! I'm halfway through my unsigned copy (been really savoring it.) and I'm only up to 1977. Got to cover 40 plus more years in 250 pages. Seems like quite a bit will be skipped over.
That's sadly the case for pretty much every biography I've ever read. They focus a lot on the early years, and then skip over the majority of the discography. Some albums never even get a mention in some of the books.
I'm up to about 1975 now in this one, and that's just half the book left to go.
This is very disappointing to hear. I'll probably skip it then. I can't stand how just about every gook spends half the book on the ery early years and then they gloss over the time period where I was a real time fan.
Nice! I'm halfway through my unsigned copy (been really savoring it.) and I'm only up to 1977. Got to cover 40 plus more years in 250 pages. Seems like quite a bit will be skipped over.
That's sadly the case for pretty much every biography I've ever read. They focus a lot on the early years, and then skip over the majority of the discography. Some albums never even get a mention in some of the books.
I'm up to about 1975 now in this one, and that's just half the book left to go.
This is very disappointing to hear. I'll probably skip it then. I can't stand how just about every gook spends half the book on the ery early years and then they gloss over the time period where I was a real time fan.
Zy isn't saying that this is the case with Geddy's book. He's saying that this seems to be a problem for most biographies. Or am I wrong, Håkan?
This is a book though about Geddy. Of course is would lean on the early years. This is not really a book about Rush.
Nice! I'm halfway through my unsigned copy (been really savoring it.) and I'm only up to 1977. Got to cover 40 plus more years in 250 pages. Seems like quite a bit will be skipped over.
That's sadly the case for pretty much every biography I've ever read. They focus a lot on the early years, and then skip over the majority of the discography. Some albums never even get a mention in some of the books.
I'm up to about 1975 now in this one, and that's just half the book left to go.
This is very disappointing to hear. I'll probably skip it then. I can't stand how just about every gook spends half the book on the ery early years and then they gloss over the time period where I was a real time fan.
Zy isn't saying that this is the case with Geddy's book. He's saying that this seems to be a problem for most biographies. Or am I wrong, Håkan?
I'm reasonable Rush fan, nowhere near as hardcore as most of you. I thought the book (well, audiobook. If you're not listening to the audiobook, you're missing out) was paced brilliantly. And yes, time is compressed towards the end but there was still some fabulous stuff about Neil, their last tour, that kind of thing. My guess is the more hardcore you are, the less there'll be anything genuinely new in it for you. But I thoroughly enjoyed it, all of it. And I loved his willingness to name certain people as well as his willingness to hold a grudge :biggrin:
This is very disappointing to hear. I'll probably skip it then. I can't stand how just about every gook spends half the book on the ery early years and then they gloss over the time period where I was a real time fan.You mean when they worked on, released and toured behind Power Windows? :biggrin:
And I loved his willingness to name certain people as well as his willingness to hold a grudge :biggrin:Besides Lillywhite, who else?
This is very disappointing to hear. I'll probably skip it then. I can't stand how just about every gook spends half the book on the ery early years and then they gloss over the time period where I was a real time fan.You mean when they worked on, released and toured behind Power Windows? :biggrin:
Nice! I'm halfway through my unsigned copy (been really savoring it.) and I'm only up to 1977. Got to cover 40 plus more years in 250 pages. Seems like quite a bit will be skipped over.
That's sadly the case for pretty much every biography I've ever read. They focus a lot on the early years, and then skip over the majority of the discography. Some albums never even get a mention in some of the books.
I'm up to about 1975 now in this one, and that's just half the book left to go.
This is very disappointing to hear. I'll probably skip it then. I can't stand how just about every gook spends half the book on the ery early years and then they gloss over the time period where I was a real time fan.
Perhaps, but in all fairness, it helps give the reader a better idea of where a person came from and perhaps why they made the decisions they did or lived they way they did. That certainly was the case with Geddy, and he says that's why he dedicated a chapter to his parents and what went down in the concentration camps - because it had a heavy influence on who and what he became.This is a big reason why I don't read these autobiographies. I honestly couldn't give a shit about every little thing in their lives growing up. It needs to be told I know but fuck most of them give ypu every little detail about the family life, school, I just don't care so much about that stuff.This is very disappointing to hear. I'll probably skip it then. I can't stand how just about every gook spends half the book on the ery early years and then they gloss over the time period where I was a real time fan.Nice! I'm halfway through my unsigned copy (been really savoring it.) and I'm only up to 1977. Got to cover 40 plus more years in 250 pages. Seems like quite a bit will be skipped over.That's sadly the case for pretty much every biography I've ever read. They focus a lot on the early years, and then skip over the majority of the discography. Some albums never even get a mention in some of the books.
I'm up to about 1975 now in this one, and that's just half the book left to go.
That's all fine and good, but it's ultimately why I rarely enjoy these rock autobiographies.If you aren't interested in the things and circumstances that made the person THAT person, why else would you want to read their autobiography?
That's all fine and good, but it's ultimately why I rarely enjoy these rock autobiographies.If you aren't interested in the things and circumstances that made the person THAT person, why else would you want to read their autobiography?
I suppose my biggest question would be, do we get any more details on the split from Terry Brown.
We always got the feeling that the initial split was fairly acrimonious, but everyone was extremely tight lipped about what actually went down. Alex and Terry were interviewed together for the 2112 retrospect, but I don’t recall seeing Geddy with Terry in anything recently and I guess hearing that he holds a grudge just makes me even more curious.
Well, I guess that autobiographies aren't for you.That's all fine and good, but it's ultimately why I rarely enjoy these rock autobiographies.If you aren't interested in the things and circumstances that made the person THAT person, why else would you want to read their autobiography?
Ultimately to get some insight or some behind the scenes of a band.
I’m fine with background and all that, but to me, it’s always disproportionate to the lifespan of the band. And I get this is one person’s story and not a band biography.
Nice! I'm halfway through my unsigned copy (been really savoring it.) and I'm only up to 1977. Got to cover 40 plus more years in 250 pages. Seems like quite a bit will be skipped over.
That's sadly the case for pretty much every biography I've ever read. They focus a lot on the early years, and then skip over the majority of the discography. Some albums never even get a mention in some of the books.
I'm up to about 1975 now in this one, and that's just half the book left to go.
This is very disappointing to hear. I'll probably skip it then. I can't stand how just about every gook spends half the book on the ery early years and then they gloss over the time period where I was a real time fan.
Zy isn't saying that this is the case with Geddy's book. He's saying that this seems to be a problem for most biographies. Or am I wrong, Håkan?
Zy didn't come out and say it, but John did.
:lol My son said the same thing. "Signed by Glee. Nice."
This is a book though about Geddy. Of course is would lean on the early years. This is not really a book about Rush.
With autobiographies like this, I always figure the emphasis is on the stuff you don't already know, and that's how I prefer it. Rush's rise to fame and their glory years (such as they are) are pretty well documented. I look forward to finding out more about Geddy, his roots and influences, and in general gaining some insight into him as a person. Presumably whatever he says about any period will be what he considers worthy of including.
That's all fine and good, but it's ultimately why I rarely enjoy these rock autobiographies.If you aren't interested in the things and circumstances that made the person THAT person, why else would you want to read their autobiography?
Ultimately to get some insight or some behind the scenes of a band.
I’m fine with background and all that, but to me, it’s always disproportionate to the lifespan of the band. And I get this is one person’s story and not a band biography.
I just read that the birds in Xanadu are "real" birds - picked up during the recording process and not bird sound effects added in. This might be out there but if I read it before I don't remember it. Little details like this are very interesting. Also he's talking about how awesome (and underrated) Alex is, which he's done before but it's nice to see in the book.
And now more from Alex's narrator:Awesome interview - thanks for sharing the link John!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1AKsGJnmVw
I didn't find chapter three to be off track at all. These are the people are the family who molded him during his formative years. Their extreme losses and the specific events in their lives have an effect on him throughout his life.
I loved the audiobook. Ged did fantastic, and hearing his chuckle at funny bits, and his voice break at poignant moments really made the experience special.
I’ve been a huge Rush fan since 1982, and I’ve known of the 1812 Overture since I was 8. How did I never notice that Alex’s riff solo at the very tail end of Overture was a rip of famous ending of the 1812? It’s in a slightly different key, but Geddy acknowledges it was intentional.
I didn't find chapter three to be off track at all. These are the people are the family who molded him during his formative years. Their extreme losses and the specific events in their lives have an effect on him throughout his life.Reading the physical book along with Geddy (Audiobook is available on spotify. Convenient!) made it all extra special for me as well. First audiobook I've listened to all the way through. Spoiled me though. Tried the NP one that's also on spotify, narrated by someone else. It just wasn't the same. I couldn't make it through the prologue!
I loved the audiobook. Ged did fantastic, and hearing his chuckle at funny bits, and his voice break at poignant moments really made the experience special.
Couple of things… I’ve been a huge Rush fan since 1982, and I’ve known of the 1812 Overture since I was 8. How did I never notice that Alex’s riff solo at the very tail end of Overture was a rip of famous ending of the 1812? It’s in a slightly different key, but Geddy acknowledges it was intentional.Funny that you ever knew about the 1812 Overture/2112 Overture connection. I've known about that for decades!
The other is the spin this book puts on Rutsey. All previous things that I had ever read about their split from Rutsey made it sound like it was more for health reasons than anything else. But this book makes it sound like John didn’t like direction the band was going in, he could be very difficult from time to time, and also John was apparently instrumental in getting Geddy kicked out of the band temporarily, and it just doesn’t sound like Geddy ever felt that much of a camaraderie with him in the first place. Ultimately, the split sounded much more like there were other problems brewing and then John’s lack of ability and commitment to touring was the final straw.
The other is the spin this book puts on Rutsey. All previous things that I had ever read about their split from Rutsey made it sound like it was more for health reasons than anything else. But this book makes it sound like John didn’t like direction the band was going in, he could be very difficult from time to time, and also John was apparently instrumental in getting Geddy kicked out of the band temporarily, and it just doesn’t sound like Geddy ever felt that much of a camaraderie with him in the first place. Ultimately, the split sounded much more like there were other problems brewing and then John’s lack of ability and commitment to touring was the final straw.
I’ve been a huge Rush fan since 1982, and I’ve known of the 1812 Overture since I was 8. How did I never notice that Alex’s riff solo at the very tail end of Overture was a rip of famous ending of the 1812? It’s in a slightly different key, but Geddy acknowledges it was intentional.
This suprises me. I guess it's like the "jingle bells" that Jordan threw into whatever DT jam that was (I don't even remember now) that a lot of people said they never noticed, and some still deny. It seemed really obvious to me. Sure the key is different and the harmonics worked differently, but the rhythm and basic tonality was the same. The 1812 was actually the same tonality, so even more obviously intentional. Also, I would call it homage, not rip, but it's a fine line.
So in La Villa Strangiato there is kind of a swing section in the middle that I always thought was a reference to something else, but I don’t know if it is a direct quote or just sort of something with a similar vibe. Anyone know what I’m talking about?If I remember correctly, and I'm probably not, I think either Alex or Neil at one time in a interview said they took some inspiration from this song for some of the parts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2S1I_ien6A
LOL, I asked my wife if it sounded familiar to her, and she said it sounded like something from the movie Aladdin. Then I found that Daily Doug listened to it and said the same thing (starting around 8:30):
https://youtu.be/VDRAj5jTmzM?si=QJxTdhCJO7wGIQiX
This song (there’s no way that’s what I was thinking of though. Saw that movie maybe once):
https://youtu.be/-EwumVKS2KA?si=XOz3HCJ_xI6aZC21
So in La Villa Strangiato there is kind of a swing section in the middle that I always thought was a reference to something else, but I don’t know if it is a direct quote or just sort of something with a similar vibe. Anyone know what I’m talking about?If I remember correctly, and I'm probably not, I think either Alex or Neil at one time in a interview said they took some inspiration from this song for some of the parts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2S1I_ien6A
LOL, I asked my wife if it sounded familiar to her, and she said it sounded like something from the movie Aladdin. Then I found that Daily Doug listened to it and said the same thing (starting around 8:30):
https://youtu.be/VDRAj5jTmzM?si=QJxTdhCJO7wGIQiX
This song (there’s no way that’s what I was thinking of though. Saw that movie maybe once):
https://youtu.be/-EwumVKS2KA?si=XOz3HCJ_xI6aZC21
"Powerhouse" by Raymond Scott, 1937
This song inspired the "Monsters!" section of the song "La Villa Strangiato". Carl Stalling, Warner Brothers music director, used much of "Powerhouse" in his Warner Brothers cartoon scores in the 40's and 50's. Although the music wasn't originally written for cartoons, publishing rights for a limited catalog of Raymond Scott's titles were sold to Warner Brothers in 1943. Not only was "Powerhouse" used in the old "Merrie Melodies" and "Looney Tunes" cartoons, it has been sampled more recently by the bands "Devo" and "They Might Be Giants"; recent cartoons including "The Simpsons", "Ren & Stimpy", "Duckman", "Batfink" and "Animaniacs", the Cartoon Network's theme song, and throughout the Disney film "Honey, I Shrunk the Kids!" (without crediting Scott - Disney was threatened with a lawsuit and the matter was settled out of court). Rush didn't give credit to Scott for their use of "Powerhouse" either. By the time Raymond Scott's publisher notified the band's management of the infringement, the statute of limitations had expired on the challenge. But Rush's management, out of deference to Mr. and Mrs. Scott (Raymond was still alive at that point), offered a one-time "penance" payment, feeling it was the ethical thing to do. All involved were happy with the resolution, and Rush has no further financial obligations. Under the settlement, they were not required to accord Raymond Scott partial songwriting credit on the piece. For more information visit RaymondScott.com.
Fun fact - Alex played the "Powerhouse" riff/melody during the atmospheric section of "By-Tor & The Snow Dog" before Hemispheres was recorded, so they were already thinking about that song years before "La Villa Strangiato".
Edit - found it, at 6:45 in the video here: https://youtu.be/CZS82iWQ-X8?si=boEaE0wPMRimA6S4
Turns out it's from 1977 when I thought it was from 75 or 76. Either way, seems like Alex had "Powerhouse" on the mind before "La Villa Strangiato" was written.
-Marc.
"Neil" has also spearheaded our new "Computer" controlled inventory system.
"Neil" has also spearheaded our new "Computer" controlled inventory system.:rollin At last we know the true reason that he tried out for Rush. Frustrated with a failed attempt at a music career in "England," a young man resigns himself to returning "Home" and working in his father's "Store ". He thought he'd accepted his lot in life and could have been content, until the quotation marks drove him insane.
What's with everyone's names in quotes? These are their actual names, not nicknames. And quotes around randomly "Capitalized" words? The copy was written by an idiot. No wonder "Neil" quit to join a rock and roll band.
Ok, the part about quoting "Bert" have some weight. Someone in that reddit thread states that his actual first name is Engelbert.
Maybe people in the 1970s just didn't really care much for that detail in their printed announcements.
Gotta say that I decided to buy the audiobook of MEL because I was flying to Daytona with a 3 hour layover in Charlotte, and I figured it would pass the time well. I’m up to chapter 11 and I hope to finish most of it on the trip home.
Couple of things… I’ve been a huge Rush fan since 1982, and I’ve known of the 1812 Overture since I was 8. How did I never notice that Alex’s riff solo at the very tail end of Overture was a rip of famous ending of the 1812? It’s in a slightly different key, but Geddy acknowledges it was intentional.
The other is the spin this book puts on Rutsey. All previous things that I had ever read about their split from Rutsey made it sound like it was more for health reasons than anything else. But this book makes it sound like John didn’t like direction the band was going in, he could be very difficult from time to time, and also John was apparently instrumental in getting Geddy kicked out of the band temporarily, and it just doesn’t sound like Geddy ever felt that much of a camaraderie with him in the first place. Ultimately, the split sounded much more like there were other problems brewing and then John’s lack of ability and commitment to touring was the final straw.
Chapter 3 was brutal. A bit of a detour from the overall story, but I’m glad he left it in.
Bubba Bash tonight in Philly!
Bubba Bash tonight in Philly!
Looked for you but didn't see you. I was last row dead center.
Did you notice the preshow music was the same as Geddy's book tour?
Bubba Bash tonight in Philly!
Looked for you but didn't see you. I was last row dead center.
Did you notice the preshow music was the same as Geddy's book tour?
I did not, but I also didn't see the book tour, so not surprising!
Last year we were in a back corner, this year I snagged some 3rd row center tickets a day or two before the event, it was awesome!
Honestly it was such a well done show, some really cool songs, and it sounded great. The guy who played with the traditional grip from the Doobie Brothers was particularly awesome. I've been listening to Rush a lot since the show, and playing drums a lot more as a result as well.
Coming up on Saturday we're also seeing Lotus Land for the first time.
Finished Ged's bio last weekend. Really good read. I do feel he rushed through some periods, which I am guessing is the result of his editor and wanting to trim it down. I get that. Thankfully, other books give details on all the Rush nitty gritty when it comes to nerdy stuff about the recordings. But as for a memoir about Geddy's life, I felt it was done well. And it was also a part of my ticket purchase of seeing him do the book tour, so essentially, it knocks off $25 off that ticket price. All in all, this whole Ged memoir project, as a fan, was very rewarding to witness and read.
Given the contents of the memoir, particularly as he describes the future, I'm fine with that. I just want Al and Ged to play together again. It doesn't need to be called Rush. It could be Lee-Lifeson, where they play their solo stuff, Rush stuff, and whatever. But these guys are two peas in a pod, and I really hope they do more music together and tour.
Finished Ged's bio last weekend. Really good read. I do feel he rushed through some periods, which I am guessing is the result of his editor and wanting to trim it down. I get that. Thankfully, other books give details on all the Rush nitty gritty when it comes to nerdy stuff about the recordings. But as for a memoir about Geddy's life, I felt it was done well. And it was also a part of my ticket purchase of seeing him do the book tour, so essentially, it knocks off $25 off that ticket price. All in all, this whole Ged memoir project, as a fan, was very rewarding to witness and read.
Given the contents of the memoir, particularly as he describes the future, I'm fine with that. I just want Al and Ged to play together again. It doesn't need to be called Rush. It could be Lee-Lifeson, where they play their solo stuff, Rush stuff, and whatever. But these guys are two peas in a pod, and I really hope they do more music together and tour.
One big revelation to me was how much cocaine they actually took. I didn't think they were "that kind of band", and just stuck to smoking pot and similar stuff.
One big revelation to me was how much cocaine they actually took. I didn't think they were "that kind of band", and just stuck to smoking pot and similar stuff.
One big revelation to me was how much cocaine they actually took. I didn't think they were "that kind of band", and just stuck to smoking pot and similar stuff.
Neil too? I can see Alex partaking, and slightly less so Geddy, but I'm struggling with the Professor.
Isn't the name "Rush" supposedly a reference to how you feel after you take cocaine?
how's everyone diggin' my effin' life? i think i might pick it up next after finishing my currentread
So... I haven't started Geddy's book yet. Just waiting for the right headspace...
But I wanted to say..for all of the Power Windows joking around, Rush was on the ground floor of my musical roots. Where they went with their career wasn't something that I could ultimately stay latched on to on the whole other than a couple of pockets (Presto, Counterparts), but when I started my true musical journey around 1981, Rush was one of my favorite bands. Hemishperes, 2112, Permanent Waves, Moving Pictures are all foundational pieces of my experience.
All that to say that none of that has ever left me and I'm very excited to read the book.
So... I haven't started Geddy's book yet. Just waiting for the right headspace...
But I wanted to say..for all of the Power Windows joking around, Rush was on the ground floor of my musical roots. Where they went with their career wasn't something that I could ultimately stay latched on to on the whole other than a couple of pockets (Presto, Counterparts), but when I started my true musical journey around 1981, Rush was one of my favorite bands. Hemishperes, 2112, Permanent Waves, Moving Pictures are all foundational pieces of my experience.
All that to say that none of that has ever left me and I'm very excited to read the book.
I've had it since mid-November and I'm not done yet. (I'm trying not to read it.) Up to Power Windows (Page 337 of 512.) I thought the Steve Lillywhite comments would be revelatory but they really weren't. A bit more context on process of the producer search but not much. He's fairly candid about the relationship problems with his wife which was not completely known but he seems to be pulling a lot of punches about that and some other things.
The "he" is Geddy - I watched several of his speaking appearances on YT and he was pretty up front in acknowledging the issues he and Nancy had largely due to his career and always being on the road."He" as in "Geddy" or "he" as in "Steve Lillywhite"? I think you mean Geddy, but I don't know anything about Steve Lillywhite's involvement with Rush, so there's that.So... I haven't started Geddy's book yet. Just waiting for the right headspace...I've had it since mid-November and I'm not done yet. (I'm trying not to read it.) Up to Power Windows (Page 337 of 512.) I thought the Steve Lillywhite comments would be revelatory but they really weren't. A bit more context on process of the producer search but not much. He's fairly candid about the relationship problems with his wife which was not completely known but he seems to be pulling a lot of punches about that and some other things.
But I wanted to say..for all of the Power Windows joking around, Rush was on the ground floor of my musical roots. Where they went with their career wasn't something that I could ultimately stay latched on to on the whole other than a couple of pockets (Presto, Counterparts), but when I started my true musical journey around 1981, Rush was one of my favorite bands. Hemishperes, 2112, Permanent Waves, Moving Pictures are all foundational pieces of my experience.
All that to say that none of that has ever left me and I'm very excited to read the book.
I’m not sure there was too much else about that situation that isn’t pretty well known? I do know that Lillywhite has said in recent interviews that he didn’t really like Rush’s music and didn’t feel like it was the best band for him to produce or something along those lines.
I’m not sure there was too much else about that situation that isn’t pretty well known? I do know that Lillywhite has said in recent interviews that he didn’t really like Rush’s music and didn’t feel like it was the best band for him to produce or something along those lines.
The other thing too is, as I've started to write a lot of these biography projects, what folks have to say about something, 40 years later, is sometimes very different than what they said at the time. But Ged's been pretty consistent that it's professionalism, or lack thereof, that pissed him off.
Rush experts can correct me, but that's how I've taken it.
I just came across this and I'm kind of into it. It's Natural Science pitched to D. It sounds surprisingly good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnDbpLAZhW8
The news that Alex Van Halen has a biography coming out made me wonder if Geddy had any comment in his bio about Ray Daniels supposedly slagging Rush to Sammy Hagar when he became VH’s manager. I always wondered if that caused any tension in the Rush camp, but I never heard anyone from Rush comment on it and as far as I know he’s stayed their manager all this time, right?
That’s why it’s always a good idea to have a turntable with a strobe light check on the side, and a pitch adjuster. That way you always know you’ve got the right speed.
That’s why it’s always a good idea to have a turntable with a strobe light check on the side, and a pitch adjuster. That way you always know you’ve got the right speed.
I don't know what a strobe light check is, but I doubt that stuff existed back then. Problem solved when my last turntable when in the dumpster in 1997.
That’s why it’s always a good idea to have a turntable with a strobe light check on the side, and a pitch adjuster. That way you always know you’ve got the right speed.
I don't know what a strobe light check is, but I doubt that stuff existed back then. Problem solved when my last turntable when in the dumpster in 1997.
That’s why it’s always a good idea to have a turntable with a strobe light check on the side, and a pitch adjuster. That way you always know you’ve got the right speed.
I don't know what a strobe light check is, but I doubt that stuff existed back then. Problem solved when my last turntable when in the dumpster in 1997.
My daughter is getting into vinyl a bit now and I have to resist the urge to remind her that it sucked back then and it sucks now. Not seeing the point.
That’s why it’s always a good idea to have a turntable with a strobe light check on the side, and a pitch adjuster. That way you always know you’ve got the right speed.
I don't know what a strobe light check is, but I doubt that stuff existed back then. Problem solved when my last turntable when in the dumpster in 1997.
My daughter is getting into vinyl a bit now and I have to resist the urge to remind her that it sucked back then and it sucks now. Not seeing the point.
Stads,
It does NOT suck. It's warmer. I know we've been around on this, but the sound is warmer and fatter, at least to my ears. It's also the while album experience. The big liner notes and cover art, sitting and having a beer and looking at and reading the liner notes, it's an experience. CDs, for my money, are the perfect for sound quality, and small enough ("compact") to be portable. They also resist damage better. But I adore my vinyl collection.
I made it a point when I got back into vinyl, that I'd only buy my favorite albums. I'm a first-day CD buyer of most music I love. But I won't buy vinyl unless it's something I know intimately and know I love it enough to invest that money in it, and then know I'll invest my time in appreciating it. If your daughter is doing that with vinyl, then applaud her. :) If she's wasting her money to just roll on a fad, well, then that's ridiculous. :lol
I like crab legs, too, but they aren't worth the hassle either.
That’s why it’s always a good idea to have a turntable with a strobe light check on the side, and a pitch adjuster. That way you always know you’ve got the right speed.
I don't know what a strobe light check is, but I doubt that stuff existed back then. Problem solved when my last turntable when in the dumpster in 1997.
My daughter is getting into vinyl a bit now and I have to resist the urge to remind her that it sucked back then and it sucks now. Not seeing the point.
EDIT - and there’s a pitch adjustment wheel that allows you to slightly tweak the speed until it dials in just perfectly. I have two of them. I thought most turntables had them.
I like crab legs, too, but they aren't worth the hassle either.
I like the charm of vinyl, but it isn't worth the hassle to me.
I like crab legs, too, but they aren't worth the hassle either.
I made it a point when I got back into vinyl, that I'd only buy my favorite albums. I'm a first-day CD buyer of most music I love. But I won't buy vinyl unless it's something I know intimately and know I love it enough to invest that money in it, and then know I'll invest my time in appreciating it. If your daughter is doing that with vinyl, then applaud her. :) If she's wasting her money to just roll on a fad, well, then that's ridiculous. :lolThat’s why it’s always a good idea to have a turntable with a strobe light check on the side, and a pitch adjuster. That way you always know you’ve got the right speed.
I don't know what a strobe light check is, but I doubt that stuff existed back then. Problem solved when my last turntable when in the dumpster in 1997.
My daughter is getting into vinyl a bit now and I have to resist the urge to remind her that it sucked back then and it sucks now. Not seeing the point.
What makes you think it isn't?I like the charm of vinyl, but it isn't worth the hassle to me.
I like crab legs, too, but they aren't worth the hassle either.
This should be carved on a tablet.
What makes you think it isn't?I like the charm of vinyl, but it isn't worth the hassle to me.
I like crab legs, too, but they aren't worth the hassle either.
This should be carved on a tablet.
What makes you think it isn't?I like the charm of vinyl, but it isn't worth the hassle to me.
I like crab legs, too, but they aren't worth the hassle either.
This should be carved on a tablet.
I have it on good authority that it was, but the sigh of a golden calf messed that up.
I love History of the World: Part 1
I love History of the World: Part 1
Same. I tried watching the second one that came out a few years ago and turned it off after about 20 minutes. It was bloody awful.
Dunno if they've been mentioned here before or not, but I just happened to come across this video of the drum solo from the tribute band "The Rush Experience" - pretty impressive, especially given that he has the electronic kit in the back on the rotating platform. Didn't expect that from a tribute band! :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJcndVE5S08
I did check out a few other videos afterward. Looks like they used to be known as The Omega Concern and had a different guitarist. Props to them for doing it as a trio, although "Geddy"'s vocals aren't as strong as the real Geddy, or at the very least they don't cut through the mix as well. Nonetheless I'm still impressed.
Dunno if they've been mentioned here before or not, but I just happened to come across this video of the drum solo from the tribute band "The Rush Experience" - pretty impressive, especially given that he has the electronic kit in the back on the rotating platform. Didn't expect that from a tribute band! :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJcndVE5S08
I did check out a few other videos afterward. Looks like they used to be known as The Omega Concern and had a different guitarist. Props to them for doing it as a trio, although "Geddy"'s vocals aren't as strong as the real Geddy, or at the very least they don't cut through the mix as well. Nonetheless I'm still impressed.
Speaking of Tribute bands: we are going to see Thunderhead in St. Louis in March. I've seen a little of them (couldn't make it for the entire show a couple of years ago but they are indeed quite talented. They are a 3 piece and pull off their parts very well.
That said, I've always thought that being part of a Tribute band is a waste of talent but to each their own.
I thought I might share this. I’m in a barcade in Cleveland and I found a Rush pinball machine. It doesn’t work though!!!
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/879116394120224769/1216107599540391936/IMG_0599.jpg?ex=65ff2f75&is=65ecba75&hm=8744cdf17f7ee87aa0bda04aa499b45c6ae9fd1a8578e83a90602b42b504e8a7&)
An hour of Geddy's appearance at Massey Hall, together with Alex, on his book tour. A pro-shot video from CBC Music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tm2oFOEtV0
I could listen to their banter forever.
An hour of Geddy's appearance at Massey Hall, together with Alex, on his book tour. A pro-shot video from CBC Music.Thanks Zydar. That was a treat to watch. :tup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tm2oFOEtV0
I could listen to their banter forever.
I wonder if they might ever do, like, a mini-tour where they play two nights in Toronto, New York, and Los Angeles over a couple of weeks or something. Totally makes sense why Alex doesn't want to do a full tour though. Being 70 and just sitting around in random city hotels sounds kind of terrible. :lol
Alex says he has no interest in touring.
https://guitar.com/news/music-news/alex-lifeson-rush-reunion-not-interested/
This guy is absolutely amazing, what a great tribute to G.U.P. Has a great voice too. Thanks for the link..
If GUP had actually been produced like this, Stads and I wouldn't bitch about it.
100% percent. I went right to what is for me the worst part of the record (that lame-o synth drum fill before the "I hear the sound of gunfire at the prison gates..." section of Red Sector A) and while he still had a bit of effect on the drums, it was so much more powerful. I love that version.
Also, that lefty Rick on The Enemy Within ain't cheap!
What's really interesting to me overall is that he plays drums right-handed, but guitar and bass left-handed. That's not a combination you see that often, if ever!
I think that the recording of GUP is definitely a minus, but I've been able to cut right through it and recognize that I do like most of the songs that are buried there.
GUP sounding like the prior Rush albums would take away some of the character of that record that makes it what it is. It might have been fine like that, but I think the sound they got was perfect for the themes of the album and the time period. It would be boring if all the Rush albums sounded the same (which the Brown albums all generally did, with some notable improvements in quality over time).I generally agree with the bolded part, with 2 exceptions. I wish Vapor Trails and Clockwork Angels sounded like the Terry Brown albums. That would have been a major improvement. I understand what happened (but not how it happened) with the Vapor Trails album. It was recorded too hot/loud and therefore the original masters were too loud. Only thing that would fix that is a re-record. I have no idea what happened with Clockwork Angels...
I generally agree with the bolded part, with 2 exceptions. I wish Vapor Trails and Clockwork Angels sounded like the Terry Brown albums. That would have been a major improvement. I understand what happened (but not how it happened) with the Vapor Trails album. It was recorded too hot/loud and therefore the original masters were too loud. Only thing that would fix that is a re-record. I have no idea what happened with Clockwork Angels...
GUP sounding like the prior Rush albums would take away some of the character of that record that makes it what it is. It might have been fine like that, but I think the sound they got was perfect for the themes of the album and the time period.
GUP sounding like the prior Rush albums would take away some of the character of that record that makes it what it is. It might have been fine like that, but I think the sound they got was perfect for the themes of the album and the time period. It would be boring if all the Rush albums sounded the same (which the Brown albums all generally did, with some notable improvements in quality over time).
This is probably a controversial take but a large chunk of Rush albums have terrible production and really do a disservice to the music.Kind of hit and miss. Vapor Trails is a casualty of bad production. I like the sound of most of their albums but I know.what you mean. Thin sounding production in the late eighties at times. Also, their last album Clockwork Angels being a bit muddy sounding.
This is probably a controversial take but a large chunk of Rush albums have terrible production and really do a disservice to the music.
"I've Been Runnin" live?https://youtu.be/Drouhbjp_9c?si=sjslh8ipw3KTNw9a
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP17xYfw8qE
also the same show they played a tune titled "The Loser"
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/rush/1974/laura-secord-secondary-school-st-catharines-on-canada-4bcf33aa.html
Disc Six — R40 Bonus Dischttps://www.rush.com/r40-40th-anniversary-collectors-box-set-available-in-dvd-blu-ray/
Laura Secord Secondary School 1974
1) Need Some Love 2) Before and After 3) Best I Can 4) I’ve Been Runnin’ 5) Bad Boy 6) The Loser 7) Working Man 8) In the Mood (partial)
Capitol Theatre 1976
1) Bastille Day 2) Anthem 3) Lakeside Park 4) 2112 5) Fly By Night/In the Mood
Lock and Key 1988
Molson Amphitheatre 1997
1) Limelight 2) Half the World 3) Limbo 4) Virtuality 5) Nobody’s Hero 6) Test for Echo 7) Leave That Thing Alone/Drum Solo 8) 2112 (all seven parts)
I Still Love You Man 2011
Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction 2013
1) 2112 featuring Dave Grohl, Taylor Hawkins, Nick Raskulinecz 2) Tom Sawyer (3) The Spirit of Radio
They can dig that stuff up but can't dig up any video from the PEW/MP tours....
Is that bonus disk available separately?I'd be interested in this as well.
Is that bonus disk available separately?I don't believe so. It was a bonus to give people extra reason to buy the R40 video box set that probably already had most of the other stuff on Blu-ray. ;)
Can't dig up what is lost or never made, but I'm sure they're still holding onto stuff.Yeah, it's hard to know if they filmed anything from the PeW tour. The thing that disappoints me is that they couldn't release a full PeW show on audio at least. I'm glad for what they did release, and along with the St. Louis radio broadcast, I think a whole PeW show can be cobbled together, but still it's a bit lame.
I'm still waiting to see if they do a GUP 40th Anniversary box set with a full concert video and audio.Given what they did for Moving Pictures and the fact that there was *no* bonus audio for Signals at all (LAME!!!!), I'm hoping for release of a full audio show, but I doubt we'll see a video included in the package, and if so, probably what we already have, but maybe at a higher resolution. (Yes I know that one was shot on videotape instead of film, but given the software for increasing resolution today, I wouldn't be surprised if they did it)
I'm still glad they gave us what they could for live tracks for the AFTK, PEW and MP box sets, especially that full Toronto show, but when there was nothing for the Signals set, I was pretty let down. Does anyone know if they could still have that whole GUP Live show or is it a case of, once they had what they needed for the original releases, everything else was cut and tossed?You and me both on the disappointment factor for Signals - didn't bother buying a 40th anniversary package for that reason - hope they get the message from everyone else who did the same. As for if they have the whole thing or not, it's hard to say, but given that extra scenes from movies of that era have often been destroyed and/or are only available in low quality to be released on anniversary edition movie releases, I wouldn't be surprised if the original film negatives for the ESL video are long gone. Hope I'm wrong.
Yeah, it's hard to know if they filmed anything from the PeW tour. The thing that disappoints me is that they couldn't release a full PeW show on audio at least. I'm glad for what they did release, and along with the St. Louis radio broadcast, I think a whole PeW show can be cobbled together, but still it's a bit lame.
Disc 1
1. 2112 (Live In St. Louis)
2. Freewill (Live In London)
3. By-Tor And The Snow Dog (Live In London)
4. Xanadu (Live In London)
5. The Spirit Of Radio (Live In Manchester)
6. Natural Science (Live In Manchester)
7. A Passage To Bangkok (Live In Manchester) (Only on the digital version)
8. The Trees (Live In Manchester)
Disc 2
1. Cygnus X-1, Book I: The Voyage (Live In London)
2. Cygnus X-1, Book II: Hemispheres (Live In London)
3. Closer To The Heart (Live In Manchester)
4. Beneath, Between & Behind (Live In Manchester)
5. Jacob's Ladder (Live In St. Louis)
6. Working Man Medley (Live In St. Louis)
7. La Villa Strangiato (Live In St. Louis)