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Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
Train Of Thought
Octavarium
Systematic Chaos
Black Clouds & Silver Linings

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Which set of JP's lyrics (by album) do you like the most?
« on: September 19, 2010, 09:18:04 PM »
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence:
"Misunderstood"
"The Great Debate"
"Solitary Shell"
"About To Crash/About To Crash (Reprise)"
"Losing Time"/"Grand Finale" 

Train Of Thought:
"As I Am"
"Endless Sacrifice"
"In The Name Of God"

Octavarium:
"The Answer Lies Within"
"These Walls"
"I Walk Beside You"
"Panic Attack"
"Someone Like Him"
"Razor's Edge"

Systematic Chaos:
"In The Presence Of Enemies"
"Forsaken"
"The Dark Eternal Night"
"The Ministry Of Lost Souls"

Black Clouds & Silver Linings:
"A Nightmare To Remember"
"A Rite Of Passage"
"Wither"
"The Count Of Tuscany"

Over the last five albums, JP has written the majority of the lyrics on each album, often four or more songs (4 exactly on the last 2, 4 on 8VM not counting the 2 parts of the title track).

Now with MP gone, JP may more than likely write ALL the lyrics to the next album (possibly - there's always the change JMX or JLB will have something this go around), but even if he doesn't, he'll likely write the majority of them again. Which 2 sets of lyrics by JP from these do you like the most?

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Re: Which set of JP's lyrics (by album) do you like the most?
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2010, 09:19:38 PM »
I voted for 6D. They're...ok, but the rest are mostly just bad.
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Re: Which set of JP's lyrics (by album) do you like the most?
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2010, 09:19:47 PM »
I voted for 6D. They're...ok, but the rest are mostly just bad.

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Re: Which set of JP's lyrics (by album) do you like the most?
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2010, 09:21:39 PM »
Six Degrees and Octavarium.
I actually felt like he was writing with some meaning with those songs. Some songs were better than others, obviously, but Train of Thought was nothing spectacular, and the last two have been just not good.
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2010, 09:22:05 PM »
Octavarium has some seriously awesome lyrics.

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Re: Which set of JP's lyrics (by album) do you like the most?
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2010, 09:25:15 PM »
Octavarium has some seriously awesome lyrics.

In what universe?

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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2010, 09:26:00 PM »
Octavarium has some seriously awesome lyrics.

In what universe?

I was trying to figure that out myself. I mean, I guess the lyrics to octavarium was ok, pointless, but at least well put together, but the rest? Eh.
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2010, 09:26:34 PM »
Octavarium has some seriously awesome lyrics.

In what universe?

I don't know, it is objective, but I love those lyrics. Mainly These Walls, I Walk Beside You and the Octavarium parts.

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Re: Which set of JP's lyrics (by album) do you like the most?
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2010, 09:29:40 PM »
two people only voted for one option.  GASP

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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2010, 09:30:05 PM »
8VM is interesting actually. The album is the first sign that JP just didn't have anything more to write about, but at least he tried to hide it and keep it SOMEWHAT poetic. On the past 3 albums he just completely gave up.
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2010, 09:30:32 PM »
two people only voted for one option.  GASP

I did. And I said why.
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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2010, 09:31:52 PM »
Don't get me wrong, it is a definite dead heat with 6DOIT and Octavarium. I don't know why I chose Octavarium, I love those songs and lyrics on 6DOIT too.  :\

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Re: Which set of JP's lyrics (by album) do you like the most?
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2010, 09:33:05 PM »
Octavarium has some seriously awesome lyrics.

In what universe?

I don't know, it is objective, but I love those lyrics. Mainly These Walls, I Walk Beside You and the Octavarium parts.

I'm not crazy about the lyrics for These Walls. But, I really like The Answer Lies Within's lyrics. Something very uplifting about them to me.
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Re: Which set of JP's lyrics (by album) do you like the most?
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2010, 09:36:27 PM »
Awake

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« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2010, 09:37:15 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2010, 09:38:08 PM »
Awake

Not one of the options, but okay... I knew I should've said "Since SFAM" somewhere, but I figured the OP and the poll options were enough.

I do agree, though, his lyrics were pretty good on Awake.

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Re: Which set of JP's lyrics (by album) do you like the most?
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2010, 10:30:36 PM »
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I just don't understand what they were trying to achieve with any part of the song, either individually or as a whole. You know what? It's the Platypus of Dream Theater songs. That bill doesn't go with that tail, or that strange little furry body, or those webbed feet, and oh god why does it have venomous spurs!? And then you find out it lays eggs too. The difference is that the Platypus is somehow functional despite being a crazy mishmash or leftover animal pieces

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Re: Which set of JP's lyrics (by album) do you like the most?
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2010, 10:32:34 PM »
I do agree, though, his lyrics were pretty good on Awake.

Pretty good?  I'd say they are very good.  "Voices" is easily one of the best lyrical DT songs to date.

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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2010, 11:03:39 PM »
I do agree, though, his lyrics were pretty good on Awake.

Pretty good?  I'd say they are very good.  "Voices" is easily one of the best lyrical DT songs to date.

Well, yeah... which is why I only went with Post-SFAM albums on here. I knew Awake would probably get most of the votes. My idea for this was just to see what people liked as far as his lyrics in the last half of the band's career, the last decade or so. And by thinking about his writing and analyzing it, it might help us realize where he may be going in the future with his writing.

BC&SL was very based on real life things - an accident in his childhood, a run-in with a kooky count, experiencing writer's block, and reading a wikipedia article on cults. That was a stark contrast to his fiction-based lyrics on SC, all four of which have had their origins traced back to existing fiction. Before that, 8VM seemed to be based on emotions, a bit akin to his earlier lyrics like "Innocence Faded" and "Hollow Years" - things about inner contemplation and dealing with life's problems/emotional impacts. Prior to that, TOT was a bit of a mixed bag, with two personal lyrics and one based on something a bit more political/religious/news-related, sort of like the mixed bag that was on SDOIT, containing a sort of political lyric in "The Great Debate", while also containing a sort of personal lyric in "Misunderstood".

It seems to me his lyrics have become more narrative over time, as is evidenced by his lyrical contributions over the last two albums. Does anyone else think he'll continue the narrative-approach? Or will he move on to something different with the next album?

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Re: Which set of JP's lyrics (by album) do you like the most?
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2010, 11:44:30 PM »
I wouldn't say Misunderstood is a personal song, lyrically. It tells more of a story, granted more poetically written than his recent outings, and harder to penetrate than any of his songs since Lines in the Sand.
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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2010, 11:51:58 PM »
Isn't Misunderstood based on The Last Temptation of Christ?
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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2010, 11:54:39 PM »
I wouldn't say Misunderstood is a personal song, lyrically. It tells more of a story, granted more poetically written than his recent outings, and harder to penetrate than any of his songs since Lines in the Sand.

Well, not so much "personal" to JP himself, but I guess I mean more so than narrative lyrics like "In The Presence Of Enemies" or "The Count Of Tuscany". It's less like "I'm this character - this happens - that happens - this is the resolution" kind of writing. It's ABOUT someone, not what happened to them.

And yes, Adami, I think I've read somewhere that it might based on "The Last Temptation of Christ". I think JP once said it was about a religious figurehead, but didn't specify. Then again, JP has written a lot of Christian-based lyrics, mentioning God or Jesus every now and then, and his writing has had some religious undertones in it, so it's quite possible that's what the song is about.

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Re: Which set of JP's lyrics (by album) do you like the most?
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2010, 01:07:03 AM »
Six Degrees and Octavarium

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« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2010, 03:00:32 AM »
Six Degrees & Systematic Chaos.

John's lyrics in songs like The great debate & Misunderstood match the theme & tone of the album imo; 'Inner turbulence'.

Also I like the narrative style used in ITPOE & TDEN.

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« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2010, 03:20:57 AM »
Six degrees was an easy choice. Then it was tough call between SC and Octavarium, because both have some lyrics I dislike. I finally decided to go with SC - In presence of enemies and The Ministry of lost souls are just breathtaking.

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« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2010, 04:40:57 AM »
I voted for 6D. They're...ok, but the rest are mostly just bad.
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« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2010, 07:38:06 AM »
I voted for 6D. They're...ok, but the rest are mostly just bad.