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How do you like Mangini's drumming on The Enemy Inside?

Incredible
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Offline JPX

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Re: Mangini on The Enemy Inside
« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2013, 08:26:50 AM »
I didn't vote, but I will comment. I ended up listenening to the song a 3rd time last night with headphones.
Normally I don't complain about mixing too much, but boy did I notice that the drums had a lack of clarity and sounded downright muddy when MM did anything fast.
Does anyone else concur? Maybe it was a quality issue?
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Re: Mangini on The Enemy Inside
« Reply #36 on: August 06, 2013, 08:31:01 AM »
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on August 06, 2013, 12:43:05 AM
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Went with Great. I'm willing to bet this is just the tip of the iceberg concerning insane Manginilicious drumming.
^ this absolutely.

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Re: Mangini on The Enemy Inside
« Reply #37 on: August 06, 2013, 08:52:38 AM »
Better than anything he did on ADTOE.
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Re: Mangini on The Enemy Inside
« Reply #38 on: August 06, 2013, 08:54:24 AM »
I keep opening this thread thinking I'm going to see an interview of Mangini talking about the song
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Re: Mangini on The Enemy Inside
« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2013, 08:57:13 AM »
Quote from: Big Hath on August 06, 2013, 08:54:24 AM
I keep opening this thread thinking I'm going to see an interview of Mangini talking about the song

I originally opened this thread thinking that. xD


I voted 'great' because I was thoroughly impressed with his drums. In fact it's my favorite part of the track, but that means there's a lot more genius coming. I personally really like the snare on this track. The kind of fatter sound works really well, in my opinion. I'm also not that much of a technical person. For me it came down to my initial reaction when I listened to the song. It began and my first thought was HELLO MANGINI, NICE TO SEE YOU TOO. So I'm happy. :biggrin:
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Re: Mangini on The Enemy Inside
« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2013, 09:06:41 AM »
Quote from: JPX on August 06, 2013, 08:26:50 AM
I didn't vote, but I will comment. I ended up listenening to the song a 3rd time last night with headphones.
Normally I don't complain about mixing too much, but boy did I notice that the drums had a lack of clarity and sounded downright muddy when MM did anything fast.
Does anyone else concur? Maybe it was a quality issue?

No I agree with you. It's mainly the snare that was a problem for me. That muddiness isn't that apparent to me unless I'm listening with headphones, in fact.

And this is the downloaded file I'm talking about.
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Re: Mangini on The Enemy Inside
« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2013, 01:10:15 PM »
With exception of Outcry, that song surpasses everything he did back in ADTOE. And I do like ADTOE.
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Re: Mangini on The Enemy Inside
« Reply #42 on: August 06, 2013, 04:16:56 PM »
I see Portnoy voted
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Re: Mangini on The Enemy Inside
« Reply #43 on: August 06, 2013, 04:21:08 PM »
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Re: Mangini on The Enemy Inside
« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2013, 04:37:30 PM »
Seriously? How can you see that?
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« Reply #45 on: August 06, 2013, 04:46:04 PM »
I believe he is referring to the "terrible" vote.

I'll be the first here to spoil the party a bit ... and say that I'm slightly disappointed by Mangini's playing. That is, provided this song's playing is indicative of the rest of the album.
Reason being, I kinda expected this "personnel upgrade" to bring some really fresh stuff to the band. TEI however sounds rather plain metal drumming, even, dare I say it, MP-ish.
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Re: Mangini on The Enemy Inside
« Reply #46 on: August 06, 2013, 05:15:07 PM »
Quote from: rumborak on August 06, 2013, 04:46:04 PM
I believe he is referring to the "terrible" vote.

I'll be the first here to spoil the party a bit ... and say that I'm slightly disappointed by Mangini's playing. That is, provided this song's playing is indicative of the rest of the album.
Reason being, I kinda expected this "personnel upgrade" to bring some really fresh stuff to the band. TEI however sounds rather plain metal drumming, even, dare I say it, MP-ish.

Maybe because TEI is supposed to be a plain radio friendly metal song , don't believe it will be a indicative of the rest of the album
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Re: Mangini on The Enemy Inside
« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2013, 05:17:06 PM »
Quote from: Outcrier on August 06, 2013, 05:15:07 PM
Quote from: rumborak on August 06, 2013, 04:46:04 PM
I believe he is referring to the "terrible" vote.

I'll be the first here to spoil the party a bit ... and say that I'm slightly disappointed by Mangini's playing. That is, provided this song's playing is indicative of the rest of the album.
Reason being, I kinda expected this "personnel upgrade" to bring some really fresh stuff to the band. TEI however sounds rather plain metal drumming, even, dare I say it, MP-ish.

Maybe because TEI is supposed to be a plain radio friendly metal song , don't believe it will be a indicative of the rest of the album
I agree, don't let your hopes get dashed by the single. When JP said people would freak out about MM's drumming, I'm fairly certain he wasn't referring to TEI....  :)
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Re: Mangini on The Enemy Inside
« Reply #48 on: August 06, 2013, 05:24:14 PM »
Quote from: The Boomr on August 06, 2013, 05:17:06 PM
I agree, don't let your hopes get dashed by the single. When JP said people would freak out about MM's drumming, I'm fairly certain he wasn't referring to TEI....  :)

Yeah this... I wouldn't worry about MM's drumming based on this tune. I think his drumming in this song was awesome, but the song itself isn't overly technical, its a pretty straight forward metal, rocking tune.  I wait for the album to judge MM's work completely.
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Re: Mangini on The Enemy Inside
« Reply #49 on: August 06, 2013, 05:32:44 PM »
I think people should be realistic with what they're expecting from MM on this upcoming album. I think his playing on TEI is very representative of his style. We could possibly get a little more crazy technique and intricate and musically interesting parts on the next album in terms of drumming, but I don't think it's going to be that much different from this combined with ADToE.

In my opinion, this expectation has its roots in the drum auditions. People forget how many people wanted other drummers for precisely this reason-- that MM's parts would be less musically "interesting" than say Marco's. MM is a classically trained rock and heavy music drummer, with fluency in many of their subgenres. His playing on TEI is indicative of that overall style. I think we will get a little more, but I don't expect him to take over the album with his playing. That is not why DT picked him. The guys who TRIED to do too much of what I'm sayng MM won't do, didn't get the gig. If DT were going with guys who could play the most technical intricate and interesting drum parts in DT songs, they should have gone with Virgil. But they did not.


TEI is a great piece of drumming on many levels. I also hope to see a bit more, but I'm not going to be heartbroken or shocked if we only get a smidge extra. We shall see.
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Re: Mangini on The Enemy Inside
« Reply #50 on: August 06, 2013, 05:35:32 PM »
Quote from: Tis BOOLsheet on August 06, 2013, 05:32:44 PM
I think people should be realistic with what they're expecting from MM on this upcoming album. I think his playing on TEI is very representative of his style. We could possibly get a little more crazy technique and intricate and musically interesting parts on the next album in terms of drumming, but I don't think it's going to be that much different from this combined with ADToE.

In my opinion, this expectation has its roots in the drum auditions. People forget how many people wanted other drummers for precisely this reason-- that MM's parts would be less musically "interesting" than say Marco's. MM is a classically trained rock and heavy music drummer, with fluency in many of their subgenres. His playing on TEI is indicative of that overall style. I think we will get a little more, but I don't expect him to take over the album with his playing. That is not why DT picked him. The guys who TRIED to do too much of what I'm sayng MM won't do, didn't get the gig. If DT were going with guys who could play the most technical intricate and interesting drum parts in DT songs, they should have gone with Virgil. But they did not.


TEI is a great piece of drumming on many levels. I also hope to see a bit more, but I'm not going to be heartbroken or shocked if we only get a smidge extra. We shall see.

I tend to disagree with your analyses of most of those things....but I don't know if I have enough willpower to argue my points right now :P
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« Reply #51 on: August 06, 2013, 05:39:46 PM »
I definitely don't want to come across as an MM hater because I think the guy is awesome, but I would argue that  exactly in the straightforward songs an excellent drummer can shine. The Sound of Muzak or Tom Sawyer being examples.
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Re: Mangini on The Enemy Inside
« Reply #52 on: August 06, 2013, 05:43:12 PM »
Quote from: rumborak on August 06, 2013, 05:39:46 PM
I definitely don't want to come across as an MM hater because I think the guy is awesome, but I would argue that  exactly in the straightforward songs an excellent drummer can shine. The Sound of Muzak or Tom Sawyer being examples.

I didnt mean to say he won't shine. I think he already does and will continue to.
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« Reply #55 on: August 06, 2013, 10:46:49 PM »
Quote from: Aythesryche on August 06, 2013, 07:35:32 PM


He will be the snare drum in the next CD, so at least he won't complaing about the terrible drum mix...
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« Reply #56 on: August 06, 2013, 10:50:45 PM »
Quote from: rumborak on August 06, 2013, 05:39:46 PM
I definitely don't want to come across as an MM hater because I think the guy is awesome, but I would argue that  exactly in the straightforward songs an excellent drummer can shine. The Sound of Muzak or Tom Sawyer being examples.

Good point.  As much of a beast as Mangini is from a technical standpoint, it will be interesting to see how many air drum-worthy parts the new album has.  Portnoy, for all of his predictability and re-using of certain fills and whatnot, almost always had fun drum parts that you couldn't help but air drum; I call in the Neil Peart influence. ;)  Mangini had some moments like that on ADTOE, but not a ton, so I am hoping he ups his game in that regard on the new record.  I know a lot of people want to hear him do all kinds of crazy technical shit that few others can do, but I don't care about that.  Give me memorable and fun drum parts.
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« Reply #59 on: August 07, 2013, 05:51:08 AM »
He's doing nothing really that's unexpected or incredible or anything in this song, but there isn't really the space for it. It's yet to be seen how he handles the more groovy songs on the album, where the space is given for him to act (and not act).
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« Reply #60 on: August 07, 2013, 07:14:48 AM »
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Quote from: rumborak on August 06, 2013, 05:39:46 PM
I definitely don't want to come across as an MM hater because I think the guy is awesome, but I would argue that  exactly in the straightforward songs an excellent drummer can shine. The Sound of Muzak or Tom Sawyer being examples.

Good point.  As much of a beast as Mangini is from a technical standpoint, it will be interesting to see how many air drum-worthy parts the new album has.  Portnoy, for all of his predictability and re-using of certain fills and whatnot, almost always had fun drum parts that you couldn't help but air drum; I call in the Neil Peart influence. ;)  Mangini had some moments like that on ADTOE, but not a ton, so I am hoping he ups his game in that regard on the new record.  I know a lot of people want to hear him do all kinds of crazy technical shit that few others can do, but I don't care about that.  Give me memorable and fun drum parts.

Yes; MP's greatest strength BY FAR was creating incredibly cool and catchy beats and rhythms that combined technicality with "air-drummingness" to the max. IMO MP's run from WDADU through TOT is unparalleled so I have doubts that MM can match that, whatever his technical abilities are, but I sure hope to be proven wrong.
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« Reply #61 on: August 07, 2013, 12:10:35 PM »
Awwww man I'm rewatching the Spirit Carries On documentary....it's so much more awesome seeing it after knowing that he was the choice, and having ADTOE in my memory already :) He was so much more committed than the rest of the guys.
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« Reply #62 on: August 07, 2013, 12:14:11 PM »
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Awwww man I'm rewatching the Spirit Carries On documentary....it's so much more awesome seeing it after knowing that he was the choice, and having ADTOE in my memory already :) He was so much more committed than the rest of the guys.

You know, the band said that they never auditioned him as a ringer, they didn't know who they'd pick. But the guys in charge of editing the documentary clearly gave him the most screen time, so they kind of gave it away.
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Re: Mangini on The Enemy Inside
« Reply #63 on: August 07, 2013, 12:19:54 PM »
Is there anyone trying to drum along TEI?
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« Reply #64 on: August 07, 2013, 12:53:46 PM »
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on August 07, 2013, 12:14:11 PM
Quote from: The Boomr on August 07, 2013, 12:10:35 PM
Awwww man I'm rewatching the Spirit Carries On documentary....it's so much more awesome seeing it after knowing that he was the choice, and having ADTOE in my memory already :) He was so much more committed than the rest of the guys.

You know, the band said that they never auditioned him as a ringer, they didn't know who they'd pick. But the guys in charge of editing the documentary clearly gave him the most screen time, so they kind of gave it away.

I know it's totally obvious :P Especially when with the two guys immediately after him, the band was sorta like mmmmeh :D But then they heard Marco and they were like O.O
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Re: Mangini on The Enemy Inside
« Reply #65 on: August 07, 2013, 12:54:42 PM »
Quote from: eviljust on August 07, 2013, 12:19:54 PM
Is there anyone trying to drum along TEI?

I reckon as soon as I return to my college town for the fall and get my drums set back up, I will! Maybe I will FINALLY post cover vids on YouTube. I've literally intended to do that for the past four years, for songs like Panic Attack and a couple others
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Re: Mangini on The Enemy Inside
« Reply #66 on: August 07, 2013, 01:31:08 PM »
When I moved to a new city and into a studio flat - I sold my kit because there was nowhere to keep it and I no longer wanted to be in a band.


It was a black Mapex Meridian Birch 6 piece with a double pedal and a ton of cymbals !
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« Reply #67 on: August 07, 2013, 01:51:09 PM »
Quote from: Kotowboy on August 07, 2013, 01:31:08 PM
When I moved to a new city and into a studio flat - I sold my kit because there was nowhere to keep it and I no longer wanted to be in a band.


It was a black Mapex Meridian Birch 6 piece with a double pedal and a ton of cymbals !

Awwww that's sad!! I have a sort of amalgam of different stuff, LOTS of cymbals, that's the MP influence for ya ;) I think I'm going to be buying a cheap electronic kit after I get back, actually, so I can practice in my apartment without noise complaints :) I'm starting up a rock band too FINALLY
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Re: Mangini on The Enemy Inside
« Reply #68 on: August 07, 2013, 01:55:49 PM »
I'd been in and out of bands from 1997 to about 2012 and i'd just gotten tired of it.  **

I need to find a local jam night where I can get my drumming out :)




** Plus - helping my bro's business of filming live bands means I can get onstage at gigs with a camera . It's like you're in the band but without any of the shit that goes with it. :D




p.s I have found that Stagg stuff is actually awesome for the price. I had a £25 china cymbal that sounded EXACTLY how I wanted. Plus theyre £2 sticks are the perfect weight for me and their mid range hardware is pretty decent. :)
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« Reply #69 on: August 07, 2013, 02:07:10 PM »
Somebody just posted my thoughts to MP forum:
"Mangini is the Rudess of the drums, and I mean that in terms of both positive and negative connotations "
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