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[Chino]

 

https://filmonic.com/cameron-talks-avatar-2-and-avatar-dvd-632

[bout to crash]

Not the questions I wanted answered but okay!

 

[Fluffy Lothario]

I actually find it a bit hard to believe that this film is going to overtake Titanic. I mean, I guess it was really only a matter of time til something came along, but for quite a while, every time I'd look at that top-grossing films list, I kinda couldn't see how any film might overtake it. Even insanely hyped movies like ROTK, The Dark Knight and the second Pirates didn't really even come close.

Also, saw this again this weekend. I knew the story inside out from watching it the first time, so I just soaked in the CGI this time, which I didn't have the first time. Was definitely very enjoyable.

[Fluffy Lothario]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films

Battle's basically over.

[emindead]

^^Yeah, Avatar needs $400M to beat his last movie. Not gonna happen. Avatar doesn't have the great commotion Titanic had 13 years ago.^^

[Volk9]

Idk, it just might.

[orcus116]

^^Yeah, Avatar needs $400M to beat his last movie. Not gonna happen. Avatar doesn't have the great commotion Titanic had 13 years ago.^^

Titanic also had a second run. The only reason it made so much money is that it was in theaters for about half a year.

[Scurvy!Dreams]

Avatar might still catch it. Of course, it has the advantage of 12 years of inflation AND higher priced 3D/IMAX tickets.

[Progmetty]

Saw the movie last night, didn't really wanna go but we already had the tickets so I went.
Had IMAX tickets but the IMAX theater was full so I saw it in 3D, they gave us two extra tickets to see any other movie later too.
Apparently 3D has improved since I saw Jaws 3D in the early 90's with my family back in Egypt, it's much better now heh
Long story short; the move was awesome, the negative reviews should attend to a glory hole cause this was almost flawless, and that's coming from a guy that hates movies that has aliens or any sort or weird creature make ups/customs.
The graphics, the cinematography, the script and the execution of a few recycled ideas in such manner is totally worth respect and recognition.
In a time where there are no more stories to "invent", this movie made it feel like a fresh idea and that's an accomplishment imo.
I like the concept of humans going to take over other planets and being the futuristic more lethal force in the balance, it's kinda new to me although I'm sure it's been done before but never been executed that good visually, kudos Mr. Cameron.

[ehra]

Just saw it recently and there's not a whole lot I can add that hasn't been said before. The claims that it's just a "tech demo" are completely off track, imo. Ignoring the technology behind it, it's, at the absolute least, an average movie. It's definitely not fancy CGI just for the sake of having fancy CGI to wank off to.

[Scurvy!Dreams]

I think the most telling thing about the story's quality is that there has been almost no discussion of it beyond:
Person A: "The story was bland and predictable, and the movie suffers for it."
Person B: "The story was a little bland and predictable, but it doesn't detract from the movie."

If the story was at all interesting, wouldn't we have seen some talk about it in the last 12 pages? The Dark Knight thread from last year went far beyond "the movie was pretty, and look how much money it's making!"

I hate to be Internet Backlash Guy, especially since I quite enjoyed the movie on first viewing, but the movie's shallow as a teacup, and the awards it's starting to rack up are baffling.

[Fluffy Lothario]

To be fair, the plot in the Dark Knight was quite a bit more complex, and so fast-paced that a lot of people were coming into the thread and asking questions which were explained in the film, but which they just didn't catch due to the pace, so it was bound to attract more discussion than a film like Avatar.

But I think shallow as a teacup is a bit much. It's more a combination of a) the story isn't too complicated or fast-paced, and also significant is b) most if not all of the 'i's are dotted and 'T's crossed for the audience in center view. There's no "so what happened to..." or "I didn't understand why..."

Although admittedly, this also has to do with more simply drawn characters. I don't think there's any point in the film where you don't understand what the characters are thinking, and thus the motivations behind their actions are pretty straight-forward. One of the fun parts of the Dark Knight was trying to work out why Bruce Wayne was negotiating his way through the minefield he faced in the way he did.

[orcus116]

All the i's were dotted and T's were crossed beforehand because Cameron didn't do anything new aside from create a new slight variation of a plotline people were already familiar with. Even all the little things I was able to predict which was really annoying. Two examples I can think of were when the Chief was killed at the Great Tree and he gave his daughter his bow you almost knew "ok she's going to use that to avenge her father's death by killing the Colonel" even though that wasn't going to happen for another hour and when Norm picked up the gun at the end and started firing I just knew he was going to die. I can't place where I've seen that situation before but it was painfully obvious.

[ReaPsTA]

The second one didn't happen though I'm pretty sure.

[orcus116]

He definitely got shot and you don't see him the rest of the movie. Well at least his avatar. I can't really remember though because he might've been at the end. Either way he was a forgettable character.

[lonestar]

Avatar wins golden globe for best picture.  Is this the year a sci-fi film finally takes the big one home?  I didn't see any other movies of worth this year so I am not one to judge, but it would be nice to see E.T. finally vindicated.

[Adami]

There's no way Avatar deserves best picture, despite how pretty it is.

[lonestar]

I don't think it does deserve it either, but then again, I put very little credence in the Academy.

[orcus116]

In terms of sci-fi either Moon or District definitely deserve it above Avatar, mostly Moon.

[lonestar]

In terms of sci-fi either Moon or District definitely deserve it above Avatar, mostly Moon.

I have been dying to see Moon.(My initial post,BTW, was not that I thought it deserved it, but due to commercial success and the unpredictability of the Academy, it has a shot of winning).

[Dr. SeaWolf]

Yeah, it was "don't play with that or you'll go blind"

[Volk9]

 

[Chino]

If you don't like Avatar, we are not a match.

[Rina]

Spoiler!!!


  About the Norm thing: He doesn't die at the end, his avatar does. You see him at the very end where Jake is saying "Only a selected few were chosen to stay" or something like that at the end. (With that other guy with the glasses)

[Chino]

Spoiler!!!


  About the Norm thing: He doesn't die at the end, his avatar does. You see him at the very end where Jake is saying "Only a selected few were chosen to stay" or something like that at the end. (With that other guy with the glasses)

yeah... it showed him crawl out of the machine thinking he had been shot in the shoulder.

[Scurvy!Dreams]

We're way past spoiler text guys. The movie's been out for a month, everyone in the world has seen it and the title says spoiler. And the concept of spoiling Avatar's story is pretty hilarious to begin with.

Where the hell did Norm go in between crawling out of the tube and freaking out, and the scene where they escort the corporation off planet? He doesn't seem to be in the hut when the General smashes the shit out of it.

[Chino]

Where the hell did Norm go in between crawling out of the tube and freaking out, and the scene where they escort the corporation off planet? He doesn't seem to be in the hut when the General smashes the shit out of it.

He ran out of it with a gun and mask.

[Chino]

Turn on Leno.

[axeman90210]

Turn on Leno.

never, I have standards

[Adami]

Turn on Leno.

I did, why was conan on?

[TempusVox]

Saw this film and hated it. Heres why.

My grandmother was a full blooded Cherokee, which makes my dad 1/2 and myself 1/4. I grew up with a respect and appreciation for my American Indian heritage, and not in the way that nearly every American claims to have Indian blood in their lineage either. I have relatives who still live on the res in N.C.

Anyway, about 20 minutes into this film~ I realized that this is nothing more than the remake of the story of the plight of the American Indian. Hell, they shoot arrows, ride horse-like creatures, and even have battle cries not unlike American Indians. So while I'm sitting there in the theater stuffing my face with popcorn and Jr. Mints a thought slowly developed that if Mr. Cameron wanted to make a meaningful picture, make the true story of the American Indian. Oh wait- thats right, that story doesn't have a happy ending. Literally at one point I leaned over to my wife and whispered ''Do you think they'll be opertaing casinos by the end of the movie?" And I guess what bothers me most is that all of these fanboys of this film (and Cameron in general) think this is this great epic fanstasy story, when in fact- the characters are fictional, but the story to a point sadly is all too real. I'm sure I'm just too close to the situation to not see it differently- too bad other people arent a little closer too.   

[Chino]

Saw this film and hated it. Heres why.

My grandmother was a full blooded Cherokee, which makes my dad 1/2 and myself 1/4. I grew up with a respect and appreciation for my American Indian heritage, and not in the way that nearly every American claims to have Indian blood in their lineage either. I have relatives who still live on the res in N.C.

Anyway, about 20 minutes into this film~ I realized that this is nothing more than the remake of the story of the plight of the American Indian. Hell, they shoot arrows, ride horse-like creatures, and even have battle cries not unlike American Indians. So while I'm sitting there in the theater stuffing my face with popcorn and Jr. Mints a thought slowly developed that if Mr. Cameron wanted to make a meaningful picture, make the true story of the American Indian. Oh wait- thats right, that story doesn't have a happy ending. Literally at one point I leaned over to my wife and whispered ''Do you think they'll be opertaing casinos by the end of the movie?" And I guess what bothers me most is that all of these fanboys of this film (and Cameron in general) think this is this great epic fanstasy story, when in fact- the characters are fictional, but the story to a point sadly is all too real. I'm sure I'm just too close to the situation to not see it differently- too bad other people arent a little closer too.   

If all you see in the movie is the similarities to the Native Americans, I feel sorry for you. You are focusing too much on a small aspect of the movie.

[TempusVox]

Saw this film and hated it. Heres why.

My grandmother was a full blooded Cherokee, which makes my dad 1/2 and myself 1/4. I grew up with a respect and appreciation for my American Indian heritage, and not in the way that nearly every American claims to have Indian blood in their lineage either. I have relatives who still live on the res in N.C.

Anyway, about 20 minutes into this film~ I realized that this is nothing more than the remake of the story of the plight of the American Indian. Hell, they shoot arrows, ride horse-like creatures, and even have battle cries not unlike American Indians. So while I'm sitting there in the theater stuffing my face with popcorn and Jr. Mints a thought slowly developed that if Mr. Cameron wanted to make a meaningful picture, make the true story of the American Indian. Oh wait- thats right, that story doesn't have a happy ending. Literally at one point I leaned over to my wife and whispered ''Do you think they'll be opertaing casinos by the end of the movie?" And I guess what bothers me most is that all of these fanboys of this film (and Cameron in general) think this is this great epic fanstasy story, when in fact- the characters are fictional, but the story to a point sadly is all too real. I'm sure I'm just too close to the situation to not see it differently- too bad other people arent a little closer too.   

If all you see in the movie is the similarities to the Native Americans, I feel sorry for you. You are focusing too much on a small aspect of the movie.

...and if you don't see that the plight of the American Indian (please don't say Native American- its disrespectful) was basically exploited for this film, I feel sorry for you. While visually stunning- I think the film it was exploitative in a way.

[Chino]

Saw this film and hated it. Heres why.

My grandmother was a full blooded Cherokee, which makes my dad 1/2 and myself 1/4. I grew up with a respect and appreciation for my American Indian heritage, and not in the way that nearly every American claims to have Indian blood in their lineage either. I have relatives who still live on the res in N.C.

Anyway, about 20 minutes into this film~ I realized that this is nothing more than the remake of the story of the plight of the American Indian. Hell, they shoot arrows, ride horse-like creatures, and even have battle cries not unlike American Indians. So while I'm sitting there in the theater stuffing my face with popcorn and Jr. Mints a thought slowly developed that if Mr. Cameron wanted to make a meaningful picture, make the true story of the American Indian. Oh wait- thats right, that story doesn't have a happy ending. Literally at one point I leaned over to my wife and whispered ''Do you think they'll be opertaing casinos by the end of the movie?" And I guess what bothers me most is that all of these fanboys of this film (and Cameron in general) think this is this great epic fanstasy story, when in fact- the characters are fictional, but the story to a point sadly is all too real. I'm sure I'm just too close to the situation to not see it differently- too bad other people arent a little closer too.   

If all you see in the movie is the similarities to the Native Americans, I feel sorry for you. You are focusing too much on a small aspect of the movie.

...and if you don't see that the plight of the American Indian (please don't say Native American- its disrespectful) was basically exploited for this film, I feel sorry for you. While visually stunning- I think the film it was exploitative in a way.

My bad, I always confuse which version to say. I understand fully that the movie has many similarities to what happened to the American Indians, but at the same time it is an event that happened so long ago, I can't understand why people still hold a grudge against it, or get pissed when stories are made based off it. I too have a good amount of Indian in my family, so I'm not just talking here. I guess people have different view points on the movies relevance.

[zerogravityfat]

Saw this film and hated it. Heres why.

My grandmother was a full blooded Cherokee, which makes my dad 1/2 and myself 1/4. I grew up with a respect and appreciation for my American Indian heritage, and not in the way that nearly every American claims to have Indian blood in their lineage either. I have relatives who still live on the res in N.C.

Anyway, about 20 minutes into this film~ I realized that this is nothing more than the remake of the story of the plight of the American Indian. Hell, they shoot arrows, ride horse-like creatures, and even have battle cries not unlike American Indians. S

what like the mongolians and turks? there are a ton of stories that repeat in history, no need to get all bunched up over it just because the story is the same.