Megadeth > Metallica
Megadeth > Metallicaummm....not so much...lyric wise maybe. Plus Megadeth wouldn't exist without Metallica
Megadeth > Metallica
:neverusethis:
Cover art revealed for the coming albumI has an excitement!
(https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/reviewpics/mega_endgame.jpg)
Tracklisting:
01. Dialectic Chaos
02. This Day We Fight!
03. 44 Minutes
04. 1,320'
05. Bite The Hand That Feeds
06. Bodies Left Behind
07. Endgame
08. The Hardest Part Of Letting Go... Sealed With A Kiss
09. Headcrusher
10. How the Story Ends
11. The Right To Go Insane
I kinda thought it couldn't get cheesier than UA coverart but I was wrong hehIt's more mature than the UA cover art, I thought that UA looked like a power metal/prog. metal band's type of art that wrote about politics instead.
I kinda thought it couldn't get cheesier than UA coverart but I was wrong hehIt's more mature than the UA cover art, I thought that UA looked like a power metal/prog. metal band's type of art that wrote about politics instead.
Dave better be right about this album being "the best thing they've made since Rust In Peace". I mean come, Countdown and CW were pretty good imo. I hope Endgame is as good as he says!
Yep. I remember seeing the same thing about UA.I kinda thought it couldn't get cheesier than UA coverart but I was wrong hehIt's more mature than the UA cover art, I thought that UA looked like a power metal/prog. metal band's type of art that wrote about politics instead.
Dave better be right about this album being "the best thing they've made since Rust In Peace". I mean come, Countdown and CW were pretty good imo. I hope Endgame is as good as he says!
He says that about every album.
Megadeth > Metallica
:neverusethis:
Shit, that's a pretty controversial cover. I LOVE IT.
Megadeth > Metallica
:neverusethis:
I would agree with this person.
https://www.ticketmaster.com.au/event/13004304A1E83276?artistid=736135&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=200
Any Aussies going to this?!
So what? Just go, you'll enjoy it!https://www.ticketmaster.com.au/event/13004304A1E83276?artistid=736135&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=200
Any Aussies going to this?!
They're coming to NZ with Slayer. Would've gone if it weren't for Slayer.
Seriously, one of the ugliest cover i have EVER seen.What's wrong with it?
So what? Just go, you'll enjoy it!https://www.ticketmaster.com.au/event/13004304A1E83276?artistid=736135&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=200
Any Aussies going to this?!
They're coming to NZ with Slayer. Would've gone if it weren't for Slayer.
You just opened Pandora's box sir. >:( >:( >:(So what? Just go, you'll enjoy it!https://www.ticketmaster.com.au/event/13004304A1E83276?artistid=736135&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=200
Any Aussies going to this?!
They're coming to NZ with Slayer. Would've gone if it weren't for Slayer.
I dunno, Slayer just rub me the wrong way. I've never been able to appreciate their music and their fans here are tools.
You just opened Pandora's box sir. >:( >:( >:(So what? Just go, you'll enjoy it!https://www.ticketmaster.com.au/event/13004304A1E83276?artistid=736135&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=200
Any Aussies going to this?!
They're coming to NZ with Slayer. Would've gone if it weren't for Slayer.
I dunno, Slayer just rub me the wrong way. I've never been able to appreciate their music and their fans here are tools.
Oh, okay. It's all good then.You just opened Pandora's box sir. >:( >:( >:(So what? Just go, you'll enjoy it!https://www.ticketmaster.com.au/event/13004304A1E83276?artistid=736135&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=200
Any Aussies going to this?!
They're coming to NZ with Slayer. Would've gone if it weren't for Slayer.
I dunno, Slayer just rub me the wrong way. I've never been able to appreciate their music and their fans here are tools.
I mean in NZ.
Forgivuhness, prease.
Judging a band by it's fanbase is retarded, unless it's Slipknot. :neverusethis:Or ICP.
Judging a band by it's fanbase is retarded, unless it's Slipknot. :neverusethis:Or ICP.
Got my ticket for Megadeth/Slayer in the mail today. IT"S GOING TO BE BALLS TO THE WALL, MAN!
:letam: :2metal: :metal
Got my ticket for Megadeth/Slayer in the mail today. IT"S GOING TO BE BALLS TO THE WALL, MAN!
:letam: :2metal: :metal
I might see you there tonight! I'll be the one wearing a black t-shirt. :neverusethis:
Got my ticket for Megadeth/Slayer in the mail today. IT"S GOING TO BE BALLS TO THE WALL, MAN!
:letam: :2metal: :metal
I might see you there tonight! I'll be the one wearing a black t-shirt. :neverusethis:
My concert is on Nov. 9th in a little town called Halifax...
BUT ROCK ON ANYWAY :metal:
Megadeth were awesome!Holy this, is that some Rattlehead?!
Set The World Afire
Wake Up Dead
Devils Island
- technical difficulties (apparently) break -
She-Wolf
Hangar 18
In My Darkest Hour
Rattlehead
Head Crusher
Tornado Of Souls
Symphony Of Destruction
Peace Sells
- break two -
Holy Wars...The Punishment Due
- outro (Silent Scorn - tape) -
Yes :metalMegadeth were awesome!Holy this, is that some Rattlehead?!
Set The World Afire
Wake Up Dead
Devils Island
- technical difficulties (apparently) break -
She-Wolf
Hangar 18
In My Darkest Hour
Rattlehead
Head Crusher
Tornado Of Souls
Symphony Of Destruction
Peace Sells
- break two -
Holy Wars...The Punishment Due
- outro (Silent Scorn - tape) -
Good to see Megadeth has been playing practically the same setlist for six years.
Nice representation of the new album, too, one song. :tdwn
Good to see Megadeth has been playing practically the same setlist for six years.
Nice representation of the new album, too, one song. :tdwn
Good to see Megadeth has been playing practically the same setlist for six years.
Nice representation of the new album, too, one song. :tdwn
*cough*Iced Earth*cough*
Good to see Megadeth has been playing practically the same setlist for six years.
Nice representation of the new album, too, one song. :tdwn
*cough*Iced Earth*cough*
I heard about a 2009 tour... :huh:
Good to see Megadeth has been playing practically the same setlist for six years.
Nice representation of the new album, too, one song. :tdwn
*cough*Iced Earth*cough*
I heard about a 2009 tour... :huh:
Did you hear about a change of setlist? 'Cause I didn't...
New album is sweeeeet. Solos left and right.
Yeah, I heard a week ago that Tom Araya injured himself on stage (I think) and had to cancel a whole bunch of dates, including playing on the Jimmy Kimmel Show.Close. He blew his voice out.
Ouch, that sucks.Yeah, I heard a week ago that Tom Araya injured himself on stage (I think) and had to cancel a whole bunch of dates, including playing on the Jimmy Kimmel Show.Close. He blew his voice out.
Can you blame him though? He's doing all that strained stuff these days, particularly on the new stuff.Ouch, that sucks.Yeah, I heard a week ago that Tom Araya injured himself on stage (I think) and had to cancel a whole bunch of dates, including playing on the Jimmy Kimmel Show.Close. He blew his voice out.
The Megadeth/Slayer Show for tomorrow was postponed last week due to back injuries on one of Slayer's folks.
Rumour is January 2010 will be the reschedule date. :millahhhh :'( :sadpanda:
The Megadeth/Slayer Show for tomorrow was postponed last week due to back injuries on one of Slayer's folks.
Rumour is January 2010 will be the reschedule date. :millahhhh :'( :sadpanda:
You better fucking hope Araya's voice isn't fucked up and that Kerry and Dave aren't the loudest on the stage!
Seeing as my Slayer fandom is but in its proto-stage, I could take that, as long as Megadeth delivers.
Of course, optimally they would rock out with their (figurative) cocks out :metal
I spent a lot of time at The Realms of Deth when I was younger. Google it. Its got some awesome Megadeth-related stuff, song commentaries, interviews blah blah. Sadly, they stopped updating it after Rude Awakening was released. But its still a good read.
I was thinking about it for a while, but I'm not really much of a fan of the other bands playing so I couldn't justify spending all that money on a ticket. I'll see Megadeth some day.
I'm going to Megafest with Protest the Hero on the 26th though, what about you?
Right, but with taxes and fees and whatnot it comes to $29. SI and I are going with three other friends and we just picked up out tickets today.
Why the hell didn't they schedule any NY/NJ/PA dates!?!?!?!
https://www.ticketmaster.com/search?tm_link=tm_homeA_header_search&q=megadeth&search.x=53&search.y=15 :loser:Why the hell didn't they schedule any NY/NJ/PA dates!?!?!?!
They have not scheduled any US dates yet, thats why it's called Canadian Carnage
https://www.ticketmaster.com/search?tm_link=tm_homeA_header_search&q=megadeth&search.x=53&search.y=15 :loser:Why the hell didn't they schedule any NY/NJ/PA dates!?!?!?!
They have not scheduled any US dates yet, thats why it's called Canadian Carnage
Now they just need Marty and Nick. Discuss.Fixed.
:neverusethis:Now Dave Mustaine just needs to rejoin Metallica. Discuss.Fixed.
Now they just need Marty and Nick. Discuss.Fixed.
Lars Ulrich is still in Metallica. Why not?Now they just need Marty and Nick. Discuss.Fixed.
(1) Nick was phenominal, but Jimmy is twice the drummer Nick was.
(2) "Nick was." He can't play anymore. That's why he left/was asked to leave. His injury prevented him from continuing to play drums. Why would you want someone back in your band who can no longer play his instrument?
Shawn Drover is phenomenal, has been around a long time, and really earned his place in my opinion.x2.
I'm not sorry for Lomenzo I got banned from the Megadeth forums a few days after he joined the band cause he didn't like me saying he looks like a trucker. and I've been banned since then until I recently registered a new account.This just in - Dream Theater has had 3 different keyboard players and two different singers.
I pretty much didn't like that junior was gone, I got de-modded -but not banned- from the official metallica forums for similar reasons with Trujillo in 2003 hehe
I don't take line-up changes in my favorite bands very well, its my fault.
I was just cruising around Youtube this morning and found this very interesting 1984 phone interview with Mustaine..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MFwtPBI4X8&feature=related
Yep I remember him saying that.I was just cruising around Youtube this morning and found this very interesting 1984 phone interview with Mustaine..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MFwtPBI4X8&feature=related
Tac that reminds me quite a bit of his interview in "Get Thrashed" were he talks about having a hand in 3 of the big 4...Says Hetfield barely knew how to play, until he taught him, how Hammett more or less just copied his solos and style once in Metallica and how he influenced Kerry King, when King played in an early version of Megadeth
Just a word of warning; cover your keyboard cause these videos might be dripping win all over it.
These are from the current tour:
Dawn Patrol/Rust In Peace https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QejCZefPeUM
Five Magics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XyPOP1Hbd4
I'm assuming your YouTube username is blakfloyd?Just a word of warning; cover your keyboard cause these videos might be dripping win all over it.
These are from the current tour:
Dawn Patrol/Rust In Peace https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QejCZefPeUM
Five Magics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XyPOP1Hbd4
Five Magics was epic :2metal:
Damn do I love Chris Broderick too. He definitely has that Marty Friedman cool zeal about him and all the backups between Ellefson and him were just awesome. I wish we could clone a second Chris so he could still be with Nevermore.
I was watching an interview with Dave Ellefson and he said that he already picked his successor, and they'll be announcing it shortly. He didn't say anything about if that will be very soon, or when he feels he's too old or he just wants to quit. I was surprised when he said that though, knowing that he won't be with them to the end.
You mean like what interview? https://www.examiner.com/x-1854-NY-Hard-Rock-Music-Examiner~y2010m3d21-Exclusive-Hard-Rock-Examiner-interview-with-David-Ellefson-of-MegadethI was watching an interview with Dave Ellefson and he said that he already picked his successor, and they'll be announcing it shortly. He didn't say anything about if that will be very soon, or when he feels he's too old or he just wants to quit. I was surprised when he said that though, knowing that he won't be with them to the end.
Sorry, what is this referring to?
I don't have time to watch a ten minute interview, what's the gist of it? Because from your "successor" post, I got the impression that he was leaving the band even though he just got there.Yeah exactly. He said he already picked a successor, but said nothing else, other than they would announce him/her soon. It may mean that he is leaving the band after this tour and the American Carnage one, or that it is just for when he leaves the band/chooses to stop/gets kicked out/any other scenario.
I believe he's referring to Hail and not Megadeth in the interview in regards to a successor.Now that I think about it, this seems more logical and relevant seeing as how HAIL! was talked about in the interview.
Ellefson is gonna be leaving again?! why?! I seem to be the only one who just found out about this..
That's just depressingly pointless.
I believe he's referring to Hail and not Megadeth in the interview in regards to a successor.Now that I think about it, this seems more logical and relevant seeing as how HAIL! was talked about in the interview.
Ohhh I see, damn it Birch hehUh oh, am I getting an expression named after me now? :lol
New song is called "Sudden Death" and is around 5:00 long. :metal
They recorded a new song with Ellefson for some unknown project (to the public) and are releasing it soon.New song is called "Sudden Death" and is around 5:00 long. :metal
You really gotta start giving your posts some more context. What's all this about?
They recorded a new song with Ellefson for some unknown project (to the public) and are releasing it soon.New song is called "Sudden Death" and is around 5:00 long. :metal
You really gotta start giving your posts some more context. What's all this about?
Just gave Youthanasia a re-listen today and I came to the conclusion that is the best album they did back in the 90s (Behind Rust in Peace, of course) and their best non-Thrash Metal album. Pure fucking Golden Heavy Metal.
Countdown To Extinction >>>>>>>>>> Youthanasia
Countdown To Extinction >>>>>>>>>> Youthanasia
YOU LIE
I just youtubed a bunch of Youthanasia tunes yesterday. They sound much better than I remembered. If I can get it cheap, I'll probably pick up a copy.Just gave Youthanasia a re-listen today and I came to the conclusion that is the best album they did back in the 90s (Behind Rust in Peace, of course) and their best non-Thrash Metal album. Pure fucking Golden Heavy Metal.
Agreed. Countdown is a better technical album (and in my MD top-3), but Youth is darker, which I like better.
I'm not a Megadeth fan at all, but I just listened to all of Rust in Peace again, and it's extremely fun to listen to. Very nice break from all the uber-heavy metal stuff nowadays.
Countdown To Extinction >>>>>>>>>> Youthanasia
YOU LIE
Yes he lies.
Countdown To Extinction >>>>>>>>>> Youthanasia
YOU LIE
Yes he lies.
SNEAKYBLUEBERRY LIES
Countdown To Extinction >>>>>>>>>> Youthanasia
YOU LIE
Yes he lies.
SNEAKYBLUEBERRY LIES
Youthanasia is way better. Better solos, better vocal melodies, better smell and taste.
Youthanasia has some awesome songs and I really like it. Countdown To Extinction is better. Anyone who disagrees can have ashed in their mouth.You failed.
I don't know what you speak of.Youthanasia has some awesome songs and I really like it. Countdown To Extinction is better. Anyone who disagrees can have ashes in their mouth.You failed.
I don't think I stressed this enough:This
Countdown To Extinction > Youthanasia
:victorydance:I don't think I stressed this enough:This
Countdown To Extinction > Youthanasia
Wrong. Both of you.Wrong. All of you.
Birch and Lat are correct.:victorydance: :victorydance:
Birch and Lat are gay together.:victorydance: :victorydance:
Admit it, you're just jealous.Birch and Lat are gay together.:victorydance: :victorydance:
Youthanasia is the stronger album. This is not up for debate.I filibuster this conclusion.
Youthanasia is way better. Better solos, better vocal melodies, better smell and taste.
I concur if filibuster means "completely disagree with."Youthanasia is the stronger album. This is not up for debate.I filibuster this conclusion.
ThisI don't think I stressed this enough:This
Countdown To Extinction > Youthanasia
Youthanasia, it's got more weaker tracks than Countdown.Yeah, pretty much this.
Thirded.Youthanasia, it's got more weaker tracks than Countdown.Yeah, pretty much this.
I'm not sure about the title track though. Aren't all title tracks meant to be pretty good?
I posted this on the Musicians forum, but decided to toss it here as well.
I just recently got my line-in audio working for my recordings yay!
Holy Wars bitches
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=387052445879&ref=mf
Well I think all Metallica fans should get into Megadeth, and vice versa.
I posted this on the Musicians forum, but decided to toss it here as well.
I just recently got my line-in audio working for my recordings yay!
Holy Wars bitches
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=387052445879&ref=mf
I have the same amp :metal Even hearing the first 10 seconds of this songs makes me remember all the times I had fun listening to this song. The guitar tone is spot on, the playing is well rehearsed for sure and you have that King V restrung for your lefty playing style?! Looks like the controls would get in your way of playing. I have a Rhoads and the controls are a bit low for me but hey they're fun as shit to play :tup
Btw my line in is sorta fucked up, I need some tips to make the recording sound hi-fi and stereo again. For some reason it's shit as.
I posted this on the Musicians forum, but decided to toss it here as well.
I just recently got my line-in audio working for my recordings yay!
Holy Wars bitches
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=387052445879&ref=mf
I have the same amp :metal Even hearing the first 10 seconds of this songs makes me remember all the times I had fun listening to this song. The guitar tone is spot on, the playing is well rehearsed for sure and you have that King V restrung for your lefty playing style?! Looks like the controls would get in your way of playing. I have a Rhoads and the controls are a bit low for me but hey they're fun as shit to play :tup
Btw my line in is sorta fucked up, I need some tips to make the recording sound hi-fi and stereo again. For some reason it's shit as.
Thanks mate! :biggrin:
Spider III represent.
Yep, it's restrung to be lefty. I got this guitar when I was just starting my second year of my fifth of playing. At first, I was really worried about the knobs and switch being in my way. I somehow figured out how to work around them. My next guitar will be a lefty version of JP's 7 sring. I'm excited to have such a phenomenal guitar on top of it actually being made for me. :lol
I posted this on the Musicians forum, but decided to toss it here as well.
I just recently got my line-in audio working for my recordings yay!
Holy Wars bitches
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=387052445879&ref=mf
I have the same amp :metal Even hearing the first 10 seconds of this songs makes me remember all the times I had fun listening to this song. The guitar tone is spot on, the playing is well rehearsed for sure and you have that King V restrung for your lefty playing style?! Looks like the controls would get in your way of playing. I have a Rhoads and the controls are a bit low for me but hey they're fun as shit to play :tup
Btw my line in is sorta fucked up, I need some tips to make the recording sound hi-fi and stereo again. For some reason it's shit as.
Spider III represent.
Youthanasia may not be their best, but I've always held the opinion that Dave's vocals have never been better than they are on that album.
Well I think all Metallica fans should get into Megadeth, and vice versa.
I posted this on the Musicians forum, but decided to toss it here as well.
I just recently got my line-in audio working for my recordings yay!
Holy Wars bitches
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=387052445879&ref=mf
I have the same amp :metal Even hearing the first 10 seconds of this songs makes me remember all the times I had fun listening to this song. The guitar tone is spot on, the playing is well rehearsed for sure and you have that King V restrung for your lefty playing style?! Looks like the controls would get in your way of playing. I have a Rhoads and the controls are a bit low for me but hey they're fun as shit to play :tup
Btw my line in is sorta fucked up, I need some tips to make the recording sound hi-fi and stereo again. For some reason it's shit as.
Spider III represent.
Also, what settings do you use?
TWNAH > System > Endgame > UA
in other news
TWNAH > System > Endgame > UA
My absolute favorite tone (as of now):I posted this on the Musicians forum, but decided to toss it here as well.
I just recently got my line-in audio working for my recordings yay!
Holy Wars bitches
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=387052445879&ref=mf
I have the same amp :metal Even hearing the first 10 seconds of this songs makes me remember all the times I had fun listening to this song. The guitar tone is spot on, the playing is well rehearsed for sure and you have that King V restrung for your lefty playing style?! Looks like the controls would get in your way of playing. I have a Rhoads and the controls are a bit low for me but hey they're fun as shit to play :tup
Btw my line in is sorta fucked up, I need some tips to make the recording sound hi-fi and stereo again. For some reason it's shit as.
Spider III represent.
Also, what settings do you use?
Well, I'm in class so this is off the top of my head. I'm changing my crunchy distortion tone all the time.
Insane (red model)
Drive 60%
Bass 40%
Mid 30%
Treb 60%
Channel volume always at 55% or so
... ish
Also, no effects or reverb
This Day We Fight, How the Story Ends, Headcrusher, The Hardest Part of Letting Go, Bodies, and 44 Minutes would like a word with you.Este
Fix'd. And seconded.This Day We Fight, How the Story Ends, Headcrusher, The Hardest Part of Letting Go, Bodies, and 44 Minutes would like a word with you.Ésto.
Gracias amigo ;)Fix'd. And seconded.This Day We Fight, How the Story Ends, Headcrusher, The Hardest Part of Letting Go, Bodies, and 44 Minutes would like a word with you.Ésto.
Ok so I've almost finished listening to Risk because I do remember some people talking about it in here.
I think it is a good album, better than ReLoad and some of Load (did I really have to compare now?)
Yeah, Risk is actually some really good music. Load and ReLoad are...not.
Have you guys heard this? Yikes!It started out okay, but then he tried to much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIgBxINL4b0&feature=PlayList&p=D9D513DE9F8B6691&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=24
Have you guys heard this? Yikes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIgBxINL4b0&feature=PlayList&p=D9D513DE9F8B6691&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=24
That was painful to hear, can't believe his producer or even sound engineer didn't say something to make him change his mind about this heh:lol
Another bump for the Megadeth thread.
So I finally got around todownloading... buying.... Final Cut Express and decided to give multitrack an attempt.
Behold the She-Wolf instrumental section yay
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=395109405879
Another bump for the Megadeth thread.
So I finally got around todownloading... buying.... Final Cut Express and decided to give multitrack an attempt.
Behold the She-Wolf instrumental section yay
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=395109405879
Endgame is the best album from Megadeth since Youthanasia. Hands down.
Whoever said Youthanasia has Mustaine's best vocals, you're spot-on. Totally agree.
I think my favorite Megadeth vocals are on Endgame. Dave's voice just sounds so much fuller than previous album, which kind of had a little bit of emptiness to the sound of his voice (not the lyrical content, just his voice).
I'd say his voice is pretty consistent throughout his career. Can't think of any bad places really.
I'd say his voice is pretty consistent throughout his career. Can't think of any bad places really.
Not really a fan of the vocals on SFSG..SW myself. Listening to In My Darkest Hour yesterday, the vox were the only bad thing about it. But in other parts of that album he sounds fantastic.
I'd say his voice is pretty consistent throughout his career. Can't think of any bad places really.
ThisI'd say his voice is pretty consistent throughout his career. Can't think of any bad places really.
Not really a fan of the vocals on SFSG..SW myself. Listening to In My Darkest Hour yesterday, the vox were the only bad thing about it. But in other parts of that album he sounds fantastic.
He nailed that song imo, sounds like his heart and soul were put into it.
That song is good, and so are the vocals.I'd say his voice is pretty consistent throughout his career. Can't think of any bad places really.
I can: The World Needs a Hero.
That song is good, and so are the vocals.
Oh, well my my statement still stand, just substitute "song" with "album" :biggrin:That song is good, and so are the vocals.
I was referring to the whole album. I don't like that album at all. Everything about it falls flat for me, the vocals included.
Dread and The Fugitive Mind is freaking awesome.'Tis. Other highlights are "The World Needs A Hero" and "Recipe For Hate... Warhorse".
Dread and The Fugitive Mind is freaking awesome.And that's about it :tup
Dread and The Fugitive Mind is freaking awesome.:tup
It doesn't parody songs. Dave Mustaine fully intended for it to sound like Am I Evil?. He even talked to Sean Harris about it, I think (Or maybe it was Brian Tatler. I can't remember).I find it funny that Metallica and Megadeth "used" it on some way, and that Megadeth blatanly rips off "Enter Sandman" in that song as well.
...It doesn't parody songs. Dave Mustaine fully intended for it to sound like Am I Evil?. He even talked to Sean Harris about it, I think (Or maybe it was Brian Tatler. I can't remember).I find it funny that Metallica and Megadeth "used" it on some way, and that Megadeth blatanly rips off "Enter Sandman" in that song as well.
It also kinda rips off "The Call Of Ktulu"...It doesn't parody songs. Dave Mustaine fully intended for it to sound like Am I Evil?. He even talked to Sean Harris about it, I think (Or maybe it was Brian Tatler. I can't remember).I find it funny that Metallica and Megadeth "used" it on some way, and that Megadeth blatanly rips off "Enter Sandman" in that song as well.
Show me.
Mustaine wrote that intro to Ktulu.Touche on that one, I can't argue (although my point is that it sounds like something Metallica did... which I'm not saying is bad, I'm just saying it).
Where does it sound like Enter Sandman?My mistake, maybe it's another song on the album that sounds like the prayer part of "Enter Sandman"
Well, there is a section at the beginning of When where it's spoken word, and Mustaine says "my prayers are never answered". I could see making a link, but musically, I don't see one. I can't think of another section on the entire album that sounds like the prayer section though.Damnit now I need to listen to every Megadeth song to find the one so I can prove my point. :sad:
I would sig that, but you need to be more eloquent with it. :p
Ultimetalhead wins this threadSO ELOQUENT
Well, there is a section at the beginning of When where it's spoken word, and Mustaine says "my prayers are never answered". I could see making a link, but musically, I don't see one. I can't think of another section on the entire album that sounds like the prayer section though.Damnit now I need to listen to every Megadeth song to find the one so I can prove my point. :sad:
I would sig that, but you need to be more eloquent with it. :p
That's the one, but that was twisted slightly (and awesomely I might say).Well, there is a section at the beginning of When where it's spoken word, and Mustaine says "my prayers are never answered". I could see making a link, but musically, I don't see one. I can't think of another section on the entire album that sounds like the prayer section though.Damnit now I need to listen to every Megadeth song to find the one so I can prove my point. :sad:
I would sig that, but you need to be more eloquent with it. :p
Megadeth put the same prayer into a cover they did, you're right. I think it was 'Go To Hell' or something? I saw it on the VH1 Megadeth doco.
That's it! :44 of "Go To Hell" has the same prayer as "Enter Sandman". So that was completely irrelevant to the argument that I was trying to make, so oh well. But thanks sneakyblueberry :tup.Well, there is a section at the beginning of When where it's spoken word, and Mustaine says "my prayers are never answered". I could see making a link, but musically, I don't see one. I can't think of another section on the entire album that sounds like the prayer section though.Damnit now I need to listen to every Megadeth song to find the one so I can prove my point. :sad:
I would sig that, but you need to be more eloquent with it. :p
Megadeth put the same prayer into a cover they did, you're right. I think it was 'Go To Hell' or something? I saw it on the VH1 Megadeth doco.
Anyone else grab the Heavy Metal Memoirs, the Dave Mustaine autobiography? He did a signing in Toronto tonight, so I went by, picked it up, and had it signed. 4 chapters in, it's pretty fuckin cool!If I had money I'd get it, and the nearest book signing is over an hour away from me, so I'm not going.
Anyone else grab the Heavy Metal Memoirs, the Dave Mustaine autobiography? He did a signing in Toronto tonight, so I went by, picked it up, and had it signed. 4 chapters in, it's pretty fuckin cool!If I had money I'd get it, and the nearest book signing is over an hour away from me, so I'm not going.
Anyway, t-minus sixteen days 'til I see them with Slayer and Testament! :2metal:
:PAnyone else grab the Heavy Metal Memoirs, the Dave Mustaine autobiography? He did a signing in Toronto tonight, so I went by, picked it up, and had it signed. 4 chapters in, it's pretty fuckin cool!If I had money I'd get it, and the nearest book signing is over an hour away from me, so I'm not going.
Anyway, t-minus sixteen days 'til I see them with Slayer and Testament! :2metal:
T-Minus 17 hours til I see them with Slayer and Testament!
:PAnyone else grab the Heavy Metal Memoirs, the Dave Mustaine autobiography? He did a signing in Toronto tonight, so I went by, picked it up, and had it signed. 4 chapters in, it's pretty fuckin cool!If I had money I'd get it, and the nearest book signing is over an hour away from me, so I'm not going.
Anyway, t-minus sixteen days 'til I see them with Slayer and Testament! :2metal:
T-Minus 17 hours til I see them with Slayer and Testament!
Also: David and Shawn at Secret Show in Montreal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX6V9ieM1T4&videos=9tD_Bj6ADdE&playnext=2
lolfail:PAnyone else grab the Heavy Metal Memoirs, the Dave Mustaine autobiography? He did a signing in Toronto tonight, so I went by, picked it up, and had it signed. 4 chapters in, it's pretty fuckin cool!If I had money I'd get it, and the nearest book signing is over an hour away from me, so I'm not going.
Anyway, t-minus sixteen days 'til I see them with Slayer and Testament! :2metal:
T-Minus 17 hours til I see them with Slayer and Testament!
Also: David and Shawn at Secret Show in Montreal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX6V9ieM1T4&videos=9tD_Bj6ADdE&playnext=2
Failblog?
lolfail:PAnyone else grab the Heavy Metal Memoirs, the Dave Mustaine autobiography? He did a signing in Toronto tonight, so I went by, picked it up, and had it signed. 4 chapters in, it's pretty fuckin cool!If I had money I'd get it, and the nearest book signing is over an hour away from me, so I'm not going.
Anyway, t-minus sixteen days 'til I see them with Slayer and Testament! :2metal:
T-Minus 17 hours til I see them with Slayer and Testament!
Also: David and Shawn at Secret Show in Montreal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX6V9ieM1T4&videos=9tD_Bj6ADdE&playnext=2
Failblog?
Sorry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7CpP3QovwU&playnext=1&videos=HlvbNfaJ028
You don't... that's why it's a secret :-Xlolfail:PAnyone else grab the Heavy Metal Memoirs, the Dave Mustaine autobiography? He did a signing in Toronto tonight, so I went by, picked it up, and had it signed. 4 chapters in, it's pretty fuckin cool!If I had money I'd get it, and the nearest book signing is over an hour away from me, so I'm not going.
Anyway, t-minus sixteen days 'til I see them with Slayer and Testament! :2metal:
T-Minus 17 hours til I see them with Slayer and Testament!
Also: David and Shawn at Secret Show in Montreal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX6V9ieM1T4&videos=9tD_Bj6ADdE&playnext=2
Failblog?
Sorry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7CpP3QovwU&playnext=1&videos=HlvbNfaJ028
Well...if they're playing secret shows..how do you know that they're playing a secret show?! Like..if I leave the gig tomorrow night, how do I know if they're playing later on again?
You don't... that's why it's a secret :-Xlolfail:PAnyone else grab the Heavy Metal Memoirs, the Dave Mustaine autobiography? He did a signing in Toronto tonight, so I went by, picked it up, and had it signed. 4 chapters in, it's pretty fuckin cool!If I had money I'd get it, and the nearest book signing is over an hour away from me, so I'm not going.
Anyway, t-minus sixteen days 'til I see them with Slayer and Testament! :2metal:
T-Minus 17 hours til I see them with Slayer and Testament!
Also: David and Shawn at Secret Show in Montreal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX6V9ieM1T4&videos=9tD_Bj6ADdE&playnext=2
Failblog?
Sorry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7CpP3QovwU&playnext=1&videos=HlvbNfaJ028
Well...if they're playing secret shows..how do you know that they're playing a secret show?! Like..if I leave the gig tomorrow night, how do I know if they're playing later on again?
No spoilers after the show tomorrow please!You don't... that's why it's a secret :-Xlolfail:PAnyone else grab the Heavy Metal Memoirs, the Dave Mustaine autobiography? He did a signing in Toronto tonight, so I went by, picked it up, and had it signed. 4 chapters in, it's pretty fuckin cool!If I had money I'd get it, and the nearest book signing is over an hour away from me, so I'm not going.
Anyway, t-minus sixteen days 'til I see them with Slayer and Testament! :2metal:
T-Minus 17 hours til I see them with Slayer and Testament!
Also: David and Shawn at Secret Show in Montreal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX6V9ieM1T4&videos=9tD_Bj6ADdE&playnext=2
Failblog?
Sorry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7CpP3QovwU&playnext=1&videos=HlvbNfaJ028
Well...if they're playing secret shows..how do you know that they're playing a secret show?! Like..if I leave the gig tomorrow night, how do I know if they're playing later on again?
piss me off haha
I dunno, I'm just posting pictures someone else posted about the show..not from here. I wouldn't think Dave wore two different shirts though.
I dunno, I'm just posting pictures someone else posted about the show..not from here. I wouldn't think Dave wore two different shirts though.
He did wear 2 different shirts. He changed from the white to black at some point.
He hit on my girlfriend at that signing... haha
He hit on my girlfriend at that signing... haha
What happened?
:rollinHe hit on my girlfriend at that signing... haha
What happened?
She went up and was like "must get kinda boring sitting here for 2 hours signing books" and Dave said "well, everyone once in a while you get someone like you that comes and spices things up" then signed Dave Mustaine XO in her book (which is actually my book...)
:rollin:rollinHe hit on my girlfriend at that signing... haha
What happened?
She went up and was like "must get kinda boring sitting here for 2 hours signing books" and Dave said "well, everyone once in a while you get someone like you that comes and spices things up" then signed Dave Mustaine XO in her book (which is actually my book...)
heh that's pretty funny. I was a little further away at that point though. Slowly made my way up
No I forgot, take it easy:/
Not including anything from Rust in Peace, "Addicted to Chaos" is the best them.lolno
Is that you?
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Just listened to Rust In Peace this morning, continuing my run-through of their discography to prepare for the concert on August 12th :metal
I agree :metalJust listened to Rust In Peace this morning, continuing my run-through of their discography to prepare for the concert on August 12th :metal
Definitely their best, and not just because it's their most progressive.
....No, wait, that's exactly why.
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Not including anything from Rust in Peace, "Addicted to Chaos" is the best them.
as a lp collector i'm proud to have an original first pressing and also in mint condition copy of So far, So Good, So What.That's cool.
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epic :metalas a lp collector i'm proud to have an original first pressing and also in mint condition copy of So far, So Good, So What.That's cool.
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My friend found an original 1990 Guatemalan pressing of Rust In Peace at a record show for twenty bucks, and he bought it. I was very jealousy.
I would've lost it right then. I wouldn't even know what to say to the salesguy >:(.epic :metalas a lp collector i'm proud to have an original first pressing and also in mint condition copy of So far, So Good, So What.That's cool.
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My friend found an original 1990 Guatemalan pressing of Rust In Peace at a record show for twenty bucks, and he bought it. I was very jealousy.
Once I went into a record store and saw an perfect condition copy of Peace Sells and I almost fainted.
I took it and went to the cashier when I found out that I forgot my wallet. I told the sales guy to hold it for an hour so I could get my wallet at home. I got my wallet from home and arrived at the store to find out that the salesman sold it to another guy........
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I would've lost it right then. I wouldn't even know what to say to the salesguy >:(.epic :metalas a lp collector i'm proud to have an original first pressing and also in mint condition copy of So far, So Good, So What.That's cool.
:metal
My friend found an original 1990 Guatemalan pressing of Rust In Peace at a record show for twenty bucks, and he bought it. I was very jealousy.
Once I went into a record store and saw an perfect condition copy of Peace Sells and I almost fainted.
I took it and went to the cashier when I found out that I forgot my wallet. I told the sales guy to hold it for an hour so I could get my wallet at home. I got my wallet from home and arrived at the store to find out that the salesman sold it to another guy........
:(
A similar thing happened to me. After a Sacred Oath gig, a guy was selling records near the door. Right before their set, I quickly looked through them and saw some definite buyers (all vintage) like Iron Maiden's Piece Of Mind, Judas Priest's Sin After Sin, and also Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?. Afterwards I went back to pick some of them up, and this guy's looking through them for like ten minutes straight, picking out record after awesome record. Finally, he steps to the side, leaving about 1/4 of the records gone. So I start going through them, pick up POM, and the guy goes, "OH, I DIDN'T SEE THAT! CAN I HAVE IT?" So out of the goodness of my heart I gave it to him. A minute later I pick up PS...BWB?, and the same thing happens, and I hand it over, majorly regretting it minutes later. That was kinda anticlimactic, but yeah that's what happened. I ended up settling with Ozzy Osbourne's Bark At The Moon, so not all hope was lost.
Once I found the Red Ranger and his cycle at Wal-Mart. I had it in my hands and was so happy, but as soon as I set it down, this kid came by and snatched it. I've regretted putting that toy down ever since..................................... :neverusethis::rollin
Once I found the Red Ranger and his cycle at Wal-Mart. I had it in my hands and was so happy, but as soon as I set it down, this kid came by and snatched it. I've regretted putting that toy down ever since..................................... :neverusethis:
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Welcome back, buddy! Here to stay?
I might have pit tickets for the next show in Phx. :2metal::2metal:
:metal :metal :metalI might have pit tickets for the next show in Phx. :2metal::2metal:
That's it! :44 of "Go To Hell" has the same prayer as "Enter Sandman".Well, there is a section at the beginning of When where it's spoken word, and Mustaine says "my prayers are never answered". I could see making a link, but musically, I don't see one. I can't think of another section on the entire album that sounds like the prayer section though.Damnit now I need to listen to every Megadeth song to find the one so I can prove my point. :sad:
I would sig that, but you need to be more eloquent with it. :p
Megadeth put the same prayer into a cover they did, you're right. I think it was 'Go To Hell' or something? I saw it on the VH1 Megadeth doco.
Oh, and a note to those who mentioned earlier in the thread that they think The World Needs A Hero is a weak album: If you don't like the songwriting, I won't try to persuade you. But at the very least, go back and listen to the album and focus just on the drums, and then come back and tell me Jimmy DeGrasso doesn't put on an absolute drum clinic on that album.
:tup
Oh, and a note to those who mentioned earlier in the thread that they think The World Needs A Hero is a weak album: If you don't like the songwriting, I won't try to persuade you. But at the very least, go back and listen to the album and focus just on the drums, and then come back and tell me Jimmy DeGrasso doesn't put on an absolute drum clinic on that album.
I just chatted with Dave in the chat on Megadeth's website about 9 hours ago for 10 minutes. Just him, a chat mod and I. I was freaking out, I didn't know what to say, I could hardly type properly. Just had a casual conversation though. Asked each other how we're doing, asked where I was from etc...Then he was away for a minute because he was "getting something some fridge." :lol
Funny thing is, is it's not even a chat to talk to the band, but it's been said Dave likes to go in the the non-band chat every once in a while to say hello.
Thirded.Oh, and a note to those who mentioned earlier in the thread that they think The World Needs A Hero is a weak album: If you don't like the songwriting, I won't try to persuade you. But at the very least, go back and listen to the album and focus just on the drums, and then come back and tell me Jimmy DeGrasso doesn't put on an absolute drum clinic on that album.
Seconded.
I knew it was a legitimate prayer, but it's just funny how many coincidences there are when it comes to things like that when you compare Metallica's and Megadeth's music.That's it! :44 of "Go To Hell" has the same prayer as "Enter Sandman".Well, there is a section at the beginning of When where it's spoken word, and Mustaine says "my prayers are never answered". I could see making a link, but musically, I don't see one. I can't think of another section on the entire album that sounds like the prayer section though.Damnit now I need to listen to every Megadeth song to find the one so I can prove my point. :sad:
I would sig that, but you need to be more eloquent with it. :p
Megadeth put the same prayer into a cover they did, you're right. I think it was 'Go To Hell' or something? I saw it on the VH1 Megadeth doco.
Uh...you guys are aware, aren't you, that that is a commonly known children's prayer and has been around for a couple of hundred years? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Now_I_Lay_Me_Down_To_Sleep Other than perhaps what is referred to as "the Lord's prayer," it is probably the most famous prayer in existence. :lol
I just chatted with Dave in the chat on Megadeth's website about 9 hours ago for 10 minutes. Just him, a chat mod and I. I was freaking out, I didn't know what to say, I could hardly type properly. Just had a casual conversation though. Asked each other how we're doing, asked where I was from etc...Then he was away for a minute because he was "getting something some fridge." :lol
Funny thing is, is it's not even a chat to talk to the band, but it's been said Dave likes to go in the the non-band chat every once in a while to say hello.
That's awesome!I just chatted with Dave in the chat on Megadeth's website about 9 hours ago for 10 minutes. Just him, a chat mod and I. I was freaking out, I didn't know what to say, I could hardly type properly. Just had a casual conversation though. Asked each other how we're doing, asked where I was from etc...Then he was away for a minute because he was "getting something some fridge." :lol
Funny thing is, is it's not even a chat to talk to the band, but it's been said Dave likes to go in the the non-band chat every once in a while to say hello.
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Got a signed copy of Dave's autobiography. Finished reading it this afternoon; took a total of 3 days to read.
It's very in depth (as it should) and really makes you understand how and why Dave was, and how he's still trying to keep on the straight and narrow path today. I have to admit though, that most of the significant events mentioned in the book, I pretty much knew about already, just not this much in depth. But there's also a lot of cool stories I didn't know about either.
I won't give too much away (mainly because I suck at writings reviews), but it's a really great book, regardless if I already knew some stuff. And to the the thick headed people who don't want to let go of his past and refuse to accept his positive present, this will be an eye opener for them.
I just chatted with Dave in the chat on Megadeth's website about 9 hours ago for 10 minutes. Just him, a chat mod and I. I was freaking out, I didn't know what to say, I could hardly type properly. Just had a casual conversation though. Asked each other how we're doing, asked where I was from etc...Then he was away for a minute because he was "getting something some fridge." :lol
Funny thing is, is it's not even a chat to talk to the band, but it's been said Dave likes to go in the the non-band chat every once in a while to say hello.
I just chatted with Dave in the chat on Megadeth's website about 9 hours ago for 10 minutes. Just him, a chat mod and I. I was freaking out, I didn't know what to say, I could hardly type properly. Just had a casual conversation though. Asked each other how we're doing, asked where I was from etc...Then he was away for a minute because he was "getting something some fridge." :lol
Funny thing is, is it's not even a chat to talk to the band, but it's been said Dave likes to go in the the non-band chat every once in a while to say hello.
Dude, that's INSANE. Did he say something interesting? I wanna hear.
I got the biography today. Going to read through it in about 5 minutes, while spinning much Megadeth.
I got the biography today. Going to read through it in about 5 minutes, while spinning much Megadeth.
You can listen to music and read at the same time? I wish I could do that. 9 times out of 10, the music distracts me too much and I don't absorb what I'm reading.
Just downloaded the autobiography onto my Kindle app and am enjoying it immensely so far. I've been waiting for Dave to write this book for a while, and it looks like it's not going to disappoint.So I take it you won't be seeing him on his signing tour? :loser:
I was going to have him sign my Bible instead.Just downloaded the autobiography onto my Kindle app and am enjoying it immensely so far. I've been waiting for Dave to write this book for a while, and it looks like it's not going to disappoint.So I take it you won't be seeing him on his signing tour? :loser:
:metalI was going to have him sign my Bible instead.Just downloaded the autobiography onto my Kindle app and am enjoying it immensely so far. I've been waiting for Dave to write this book for a while, and it looks like it's not going to disappoint.So I take it you won't be seeing him on his signing tour? :loser:
Does anyone else besides me not really give a shit about Junior's return??No. You obviously underestimate the gravity of the situation.
This, he got almost as big of an applause as Dave did Thursday nightDoes anyone else besides me not really give a shit about Junior's return??No. You obviously underestimate the gravity of the situation.
Does anyone else besides me not really give a shit about Junior's return??No. You obviously underestimate the gravity of the situation.
Killing is My Business is such an awesome album.Can we agree probably the best debut album from any of the big 4?
Without a shadow of a doubt. Miles ahead of Fistful of Metal. Decent gap between it, Kill 'Em All, and Show No Mercy.And all the more impressive when you consider Mustaine contributed almost half of Kill 'Em All as well.
Killing is My Business is such an awesome album.Can we agree probably the best debut album from any of the big 4?
The band was excellent tonight. Truly one of the tightest outfits in the genre right now...although Dave's vox are a bit whack. No one really listens to them for his impressive range though anyway.I agree. But...
The band was excellent tonight. Truly one of the tightest outfits in the genre right now...although Dave's vox are a bit whack. No one really listens to them for his impressive range though anyway.I agree. But...
FUCKIN' SLAYER!!!! :dimitrius: \M/ \M/
I agree that Dave's voice was in decline, but I still enjoyed it live. I also think Chris is great (although I'm not a guitar player so I lack the understanding of every little thing he does or doesn't do). But Slayer was just... fantastic. They were SUPER tight, and SUPER fast, which made for an incredible performance. The stage show was also awesome. Thirty eight amps on stage = :2metal:.The band was excellent tonight. Truly one of the tightest outfits in the genre right now...although Dave's vox are a bit whack. No one really listens to them for his impressive range though anyway.I agree. But...
FUCKIN' SLAYER!!!! :dimitrius: \M/ \M/
I also enjoyed Slayer more than Megadeth when I saw them. I'm not a fan of Chris Broderick(way too mechanical, every solo was spot on, but lacked any type of feeling), or Mustaine's new vocals(or lack thereof). Slayer, on the other hand, sounded exactly the same as they always have and were amazing.
Ah, but KIMB doesn't have Black Magic.Damnit, you're right. :facepalm:
Picture was before Headcrusher I bet.Probably not, considering he's not wearing his guitarmor. It looks more like what he did right before his final bow.
It's not even close to Kill 'Em All. What are you talking about?Killing is My Business is such an awesome album.Can we agree probably the best debut album from any of the big 4?
KIMB > KEAIt's not even close to Kill 'Em All. What are you talking about?Killing is My Business is such an awesome album.Can we agree probably the best debut album from any of the big 4?
I agree with thisIt's not even close to Kill 'Em All. What are you talking about?Killing is My Business is such an awesome album.Can we agree probably the best debut album from any of the big 4?
Quite right. KIMB is about 50 times better.It's not even close to Kill 'Em All. What are you talking about?Killing is My Business is such an awesome album.Can we agree probably the best debut album from any of the big 4?
UMH, I think you posted in the wrong thread. The Offbeat Opinions is down the page. Now I like Megadeth as much as the next guy, but KIMB is a garbled mess.If this is the case I'll have to direct you to the same place. ;)
KIMB is why I never took Megadeth seriously back in the mid 80's. Hell, even Show No Mercy is better.
I actually came in here to post that Show No Mercy beats KIMB but I see that TAC beat me to it :tupAs usual, old man! :P
Only ones I can't vote during are Risk, Cryptic Writings, and United Abominations. I'll be avidly participating in all others though. :tup
Yes, I know it's got an awesome album cover and a decent title track. But otherwise, the album does little for me.Whoa, man. That's pretty controversial.
Yes, I know it's got an awesome album cover and a decent title track. But otherwise, the album does little for me.Whoa, man. That's pretty controversial.
Good Mourning/Black Friday desperately wants a word with you.Yes, I know it's got an awesome album cover and a decent title track. But otherwise, the album does little for me.Whoa, man. That's pretty controversial.
I agree with Bosk, but I'll add Wake Up Dead and Devil's Island to this list of goodness. The rest of the album never really clicked with me.
ITS BLACK FRIDAY!Good Mourning/Black Friday desperately wants a word with you.Yes, I know it's got an awesome album cover and a decent title track. But otherwise, the album does little for me.Whoa, man. That's pretty controversial.
I agree with Bosk, but I'll add Wake Up Dead and Devil's Island to this list of goodness. The rest of the album never really clicked with me.
Ugh, United Abominations is awful. Risk, OTOH, gets way too much crap and about half of Cryptic Writings is worth listening to. The other half? Meh.Only ones I can't vote during are Risk, Cryptic Writings, and United Abominations. I'll be avidly participating in all others though. :tup
I can understand why you might not be able to vote during the Risk and Cryptic Writings rounds, but you really need to listen to United Abominations. Including Endgame, it's their strongest album since Countdown to Extinction IMO.
Good Mourning/Black Friday desperately wants a word with you.Aside from "I Ain't Superstitious," that entire album is fantastic. It's probably the perfect thrash album.
Yes, I know it's got an awesome album cover and a decent title track. But otherwise, the album does little for me.Whoa, man. That's pretty controversial.
I agree with Bosk, but I'll add Wake Up Dead and Devil's Island to this list of goodness. The rest of the album never really clicked with me.
The first 3 Megadeth albums are the only ones that benefitted from the catalogue remaster, IMO. RiP onwards really didn't need any touching up, and I can't say I enjoy any of the remasters more than the original pressings. The only good thing on the Youth remaster was that they got rid of that godawful shaker that was on pretty much EVERY FREAKING TRACK!
The first 3 Megadeth albums are the only ones that benefitted from the catalogue remaster, IMO. RiP onwards really didn't need any touching up, and I can't say I enjoy any of the remasters more than the original pressings. The only good thing on the Youth remaster was that they got rid of that godawful shaker that was on pretty much EVERY FREAKING TRACK!
I like the shaker on the originals.
Random, but during the chorus of the original Mastermind, the growling voice that says "Mastermind" is cool.
Speaking of Youth', Black Curtains is one of hte most overlooked moshalicious songs ever.
Disintegrators FTW
Black Curtains > Victory may be one of the best one-two-punch album closers ever.I wouldn't say ever, but "Victory" is a really cool song.
I don't know..I'd still take Liar-Hook In Mouth over them.This, if I had to pick a side.
Black Curtains > Victory may be one of the best one-two-punch album closers ever.
I don't know..I'd still take Liar-Hook In Mouth over them.
Megadeth is playing tonight near me, and I can't make the show. BUT, I may make it over to the book store this afternoon where Mustaine will be. What should I ask him?You fancy a hotdog?
Ask him how Daffy Duck is doing. As for my CDs, I make copies of everything I'm getting rid of, but the collection part is what gets me. If it wasn't for that damn Eddie pic on the side of the Maiden remasters, I wouldn't own the Blaze albums. I don't know, without the albums I mentioned, my Megadeth collection doesn't look as nifty. But then I should only have the ones I like and listen to. DAMN MY COLLECTORNESS!I have CDs that I'm not particularly fond of either, but I keep them for my collection's sake
Ask him how Daffy Duck is doing. As for my CDs, I make copies of everything I'm getting rid of, but the collection part is what gets me. If it wasn't for that damn Eddie pic on the side of the Maiden remasters, I wouldn't own the Blaze albums. I don't know, without the albums I mentioned, my Megadeth collection doesn't look as nifty. But then I should only have the ones I like and listen to. DAMN MY COLLECTORNESS!I have CDs that I'm not particularly fond of either, but I keep them for my collection's sake
Megadeth is playing tonight near me, and I can't make the show. BUT, I may make it over to the book store this afternoon where Mustaine will be. What should I ask him?I told him that his music changed my life, though I'd assume that's not true for everyone.
Ok I'm gonna keep everything up to Risk. That album has a clusterfuck of oddness, but I just can't let it go. As for KIMB, although the remaster sounds better, having the original means alot to me... For some reason. It would mean so much more if it had These Boots cause then I'd have something really rare. Anyway, I found it used in excellent condition and all it needs is a new case. Even though they've gotten better, Megadeth kind of died with Risk. Nothing after that album grabs my attention. TWNAH was crap and TSHF got old really quick. UA had Sleepwalker and Endgame didn't have anything.Wrong, everywhere. Risk is awesome, TWNAH is one of their best albums, TSHF has some great songs on it, UA has Sleepwalker, Washington is Next, Gears of War, and Burnt Ice. Endgame has practically every song on the damn album.
Megadeth kind of died with Risk. Nothing after that album grabs my attention. TWNAH was crap and TSHF got old really quick. UA had Sleepwalker and Endgame didn't have anything.Listen to the Man.
Honestly, TSHF is right ahead of CW as their least awesome album.Risk is good. :)
Yes, I love Risk.
99 Ways to Die slays everything else on Hidden Treasures.While this is understandable I still think Angry Again is the best them. 99WtD gets a very well deserved second place IMO
Overall, I don't think there is a bad track on the entire CD. But I definitely rank the originals over the covers. I rank them as follows:I generally agree with you. If Hidden Treasures is ever re released, it should have also One Thing from the CW era. In many ways it's better than most songs of CW and it's at the same level of Angry Again.
1. Angry Again: Top notch song. It's a shame they can never really seem to get it to sound right in a live setting. IMO, Dave needs to play it the way it is played on the studio version and not monkey with it.
2. 99 Ways To Die: VERY solid second place.
3. Diadems: Very cool song. I just love the chord progression in this. I wish I knew music theory to be able to understand what it is musically that makes it so cool.
4. Go To Hell: Do Mormons describe this song as "Go To Heck?" I've always wondered about that.
5. Break Point: Also very good. This song just has a neat and different energy to it. There is an interesting feeling of motion throughout.
6. Paranoid: This probably tops out the covers for me. The original was already a solid tune. It doesn't call for an overly dynamic singer, so Mustaine's vocals are fine. And I like the humor they threw in at the end.
I'm not really fond of Problems or No More Mr. Nice Guy. They're okay, but I could easily do without them.
Never heard that song before.
Crown of Thorns
Great track!
9. These Boots (Alternate version from The Dudes soundtrack)
Never heard that song before.
Crown of Thorns
:tupNever heard that song before.
Crown of Thorns
I see what you did there. I think? Crown of Worms, right?
Weird. I don't mess up song titles very often. Oh well.Too much fappage.
Anyone pick up the new DVD?? It's not too bad, they rip through RIP quite nicely.
Anyone pick up the new DVD?? It's not too bad, they rip through RIP quite nicely.
Intentional?
I have come to the conclusion that the 2nd guitar solo in Holy Wars...The Punishment Due is indeed superior than the one in Tornado of Souls.
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RAGERAGERAGERAGERAGERAGERAGERAGEI have come to the conclusion that the 2nd guitar solo in Holy Wars...The Punishment Due is indeed superior than the one in Tornado of Souls.
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Suprisingly, I agree. I've never liked Tornado of Souls as a whole, either.
I have come to the conclusion that the 2nd guitar solo in Holy Wars...The Punishment Due is indeed superior than the one in Tornado of Souls.
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I have come to the conclusion that the 2nd guitar solo in Holy Wars...The Punishment Due is indeed superior than the one in Tornado of Souls.
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How? The second Holy Wars solo is just a mindless Mustaine shredfest which, although good, cannot compare to the fantastically constructed melodic and metal Friedman solo in Tornado of Souls.
His solo in Cemetery Gates is superior to both of those.
*DISAGREEMENT*On the internet? GET OUT OF HERE.
His solo in Cemetery Gates is superior to both of those.
His solo in Cemetery Gates is superior to both of those.(https://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/4009/1097290-i_see_what_you_did_there_super.jpg)
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Youthanasia<COUNTDOWN TO EXTINCTION
Wait we already discussed this?
(https://www.zgeek.com/forum/gallery/files/4/0/2/1277831454037.jpg)Wait we already discussed this?
It was several pages back, but yes. I will go even further and say:
COUNTDOWN TO EXTINCTION>all the others.
Good thing I didn't mention how Countdown is probably my favorite straight-up metal album of all time by anyone, since I assume that would have killed you.Nah, I probably would have spiraled into extreme nerd rage and hunted you down and killed your entire family!
Good thing I didn't mention how Countdown is probably my favorite straight-up metal album of all time by anyone, since I assume that would have killed you.Nah, I probably would have spiraled into extreme nerd rage and hunted you down and killed your entire family!
Good thing you never told me though! :neverusethis:
Of course. Just as long as we can talk about how Rust in Peace > Everything elseGood thing I didn't mention how Countdown is probably my favorite straight-up metal album of all time by anyone, since I assume that would have killed you.Nah, I probably would have spiraled into extreme nerd rage and hunted you down and killed your entire family!
Good thing you never told me though! :neverusethis:
Yes, just forget that I ever didn't mention it.
Of course. Just as long as we can talk about how Rust in Peace > Everything elseGood thing I didn't mention how Countdown is probably my favorite straight-up metal album of all time by anyone, since I assume that would have killed you.Nah, I probably would have spiraled into extreme nerd rage and hunted you down and killed your entire family!
Good thing you never told me though! :neverusethis:
Yes, just forget that I ever didn't mention it.
But So Far, So Good, So What is the best Megadeth album!Of course. Just as long as we can talk about how Rust in Peace > Everything elseGood thing I didn't mention how Countdown is probably my favorite straight-up metal album of all time by anyone, since I assume that would have killed you.Nah, I probably would have spiraled into extreme nerd rage and hunted you down and killed your entire family!
Good thing you never told me though! :neverusethis:
Yes, just forget that I ever didn't mention it.
But So Far, So Good, So What is the best Megadeth album!
Its not as rage inducing as saying CtE is their best. SFSGSW? is a 9/10 while RiP is a masterpiece of perfection 10/10.But So Far, So Good, So What is the best Megadeth album!Of course. Just as long as we can talk about how Rust in Peace > Everything elseGood thing I didn't mention how Countdown is probably my favorite straight-up metal album of all time by anyone, since I assume that would have killed you.Nah, I probably would have spiraled into extreme nerd rage and hunted you down and killed your entire family!
Good thing you never told me though! :neverusethis:
Yes, just forget that I ever didn't mention it.
*awaits rage*
:corn
Anyone that argues anything other than Rust in Peace as Megadeth's best album is wrong.
We talk about this all the time, don't we fellas? he he he he heGood album, but it sounds too watered down for my liking. I prefer Megadeth's straight up thrash stuff.
YOU
THA
NAS
IA!!!
When Lat's right, he's right.Anyone that argues anything other than Rust in Peace as Megadeth's best album is wrong.
I am always right.
imao - in my asshole opinion?:lol
You do realized you joined DTF right? I mean, how often do we stay on topi-
Kevin Moore.
I was also wondering why my copy of "Pull Me Und-You do realized you joined DTF right? I mean, how often do we stay on topi-
Kevin Moore.
Yeah, why did he left DT? :omg:
We talk about this all the time, don't we fellas? he he he he heGood album, but it sounds too watered down for my liking. I prefer Megadeth's straight up thrash stuff.
YOU
THA
NAS
IA!!!
Now seriously: listening to These Boots right now. Sounds good, man. May be one of the best tracks of the album after Skull Beneath the Skin, Mechanix and Last Rites/Loved to Deth
I remember when Countdown came out and I loved this album. Youthenasia was an excellent followup and Cryptic Writings was pretty good, but not all that great when compared to their last three. Then Risk comes out and oh boy did I throw that Cd away faster than any other. And I figured it was a one-off. So I buy TWNaH and I said I was done with Megadeth. Two in row of absolute garbage. I could not stand any of the songs although I find 1000 Times goodbye to be hilarious. So when TSHF came out I skipped it. But I heard from a few people that it was just as good as Rust in Peace. So after thinking about it, I buy the album, and HOLY S-H-I-T were they right. TSHF surpasses excellence in my opinion. It's balls to the wall Megadeth and everything about it just kicks ass. So I had my faith newly restored in Megadeth and picked up UA immediately. And again... sour disappointment. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. UA is right up there with the worst of Megadeth. But if TSHF brought Megadeth back well then I should give them another try again like before and I bought their new one Headcrusher. It's better than UA, but it's forgettable. Very forgettable.Yeah, I'd be disappointed too if I bought an album that just had Headcrusher on it. But hey, at least Endgame was a fucking sweet album.
Right now, I'm at the same place I was when TWNaH came out. I may check them out again, but I'm not buying the album immediately.
I remember when Countdown came out and I loved this album. Youthenasia was an excellent followup and Cryptic Writings was pretty good, but not all that great when compared to their last three. Then Risk comes out and oh boy did I throw that Cd away faster than any other. And I figured it was a one-off. So I buy TWNaH and I said I was done with Megadeth. Two in row of absolute garbage. I could not stand any of the songs although I find 1000 Times goodbye to be hilarious. So when TSHF came out I skipped it. But I heard from a few people that it was just as good as Rust in Peace. So after thinking about it, I buy the album, and HOLY S-H-I-T were they right. TSHF surpasses excellence in my opinion. It's balls to the wall Megadeth and everything about it just kicks ass. So I had my faith newly restored in Megadeth and picked up UA immediately. And again... sour disappointment. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. UA is right up there with the worst of Megadeth. But if TSHF brought Megadeth back well then I should give them another try again like before and I bought their new one Headcrusher. It's better than UA, but it's forgettable. Very forgettable.Yeah, I'd be disappointed too if I bought an album that just had Headcrusher on it. But hey, at least Endgame was a fucking sweet album.
Right now, I'm at the same place I was when TWNaH came out. I may check them out again, but I'm not buying the album immediately.
Kerry King joined Megadeth on stage and played Rattlehead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVr4hvUX1ZI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVr4hvUX1ZI)
Kerry King joined Megadeth on stage and played Rattlehead.:metal :metal :hefdaddy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVr4hvUX1ZI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVr4hvUX1ZI)
Is it just me, or is the mix on Countdown to Extinction just mid-scooped and over-compressed to death?I don't like the production on it that much. Its a great album, but the production isn't that great imo
Oh hai, Rust In Peace is the best them. K bye.You'll get no arguments from me.
Is it just me, or is the mix on Countdown to Extinction just mid-scooped and over-compressed to death?
Is it just me, or is the mix on Countdown to Extinction just mid-scooped and over-compressed to death?
You must have the Remixed & Remastered version from 2004 with the bonus tracks. I have both original and 2004 versions :biggrin:
Is it just me, or is the mix on Countdown to Extinction just mid-scooped and over-compressed to death?
You must have the Remixed & Remastered version from 2004 with the bonus tracks. I have both original and 2004 versions :biggrin:
Nah I have the original. Its balls. The bad kind of balls.
MEGADETH SURVIVOR IS GOING SO GET YOUR ASSES VOTING PEOPLE :metal
Don't let this be like my Judas Priest survivor where only 4-5 people vote. :tdwn
Is it just me, or is the mix on Countdown to Extinction just mid-scooped and over-compressed to death?
You must have the Remixed & Remastered version from 2004 with the bonus tracks. I have both original and 2004 versions :biggrin:
Nah I have the original. Its balls. The bad kind of balls.
Ahh. But over-compressed means dynamics compression like they used on the R&R. Lots of it, but it doesn't make that shit. Sounds like a well produced album like they were going for.
Its 3:30am, I bought the Mustaine biography at 9:00pm and have been reading it since, just finished it. Man, I really enjoyed it, what an amazing journey that man's had.
Its 3:30am, I bought the Mustaine biography at 9:00pm and have been reading it since, just finished it. Man, I really enjoyed it, what an amazing journey that man's had.
I still have yet to pick that up...I really want to read it though.
Its 3:30am, I bought the Mustaine biography at 9:00pm and have been reading it since, just finished it. Man, I really enjoyed it, what an amazing journey that man's had.
I still have yet to pick that up...I really want to read it though.
Totally worth it man. Its chock full of ego as you can imagine, and that's why its a very interesting read.
Its 3:30am, I bought the Mustaine biography at 9:00pm and have been reading it since, just finished it. Man, I really enjoyed it, what an amazing journey that man's had.
Its 3:30am, I bought the Mustaine biography at 9:00pm and have been reading it since, just finished it. Man, I really enjoyed it, what an amazing journey that man's had.
You read the book in 6 and a half hours?
Its 3:30am, I bought the Mustaine biography at 9:00pm and have been reading it since, just finished it. Man, I really enjoyed it, what an amazing journey that man's had.
You read the book in 6 and a half hours?
Yeah I guess so. Why's that?
Oh hello Mr. Controversial Opinion Guy:I'm all for opinions, but that's just fucking laughable.
Countdown to Extinction is Megadeth's best album.
ThisOh hello Mr. Controversial Opinion Guy:I'm all for opinions, but that's just fucking laughable.
Countdown to Extinction is Megadeth's best album.
Rust in Peace. The entire album. Better than anything else Megadeth, Metallica, or lolSlayer has ever done.That
(https://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcStcOF3oFYxPpDiyfYqydjvX4xnk6vZ8NQtO6t9iC4dyRUCvQs&t=1&usg=__MviL05lIMtxjMeoNkvdbgwWz--I=)ThisOh hello Mr. Controversial Opinion Guy:I'm all for opinions, but that's just fucking laughable.
Countdown to Extinction is Megadeth's best album.
Megadeth's quintessential, archetypal, masterpiece of an album is definitely Rust In Peace. Everything about it kicks ass. In second place would be Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?. I'd be happy if those were the only two Megadeth albums I could listen to ever again.This
True that.Oh hello Mr. Controversial Opinion Guy:I'm all for opinions, but that's just fucking laughable.
Countdown to Extinction is Megadeth's best album.
Skin O My TeethThose aren't all of the songs off the album.
Symphony of Destruction
Architecture of Aggression
Foreclosure of a Dream
Sweating Bullets
Countdown to Extinction
Ashes in Your Mouth
Awesome songs. All of them.
UPON MY PODIUM AS THE
KNOW IT ALL SCHOLAR
DOWN IN MY SEAT OF JUDGMENT
GAVELS BAND UPHOLD THE LAW
UP ON MY SOAPBOX A LEADER
OUT TO CHANGE THE WORLD
DOWN IN MY PULPIT AS THE HOLIER
THAN THOU COULD BE MESSENGER OF GOD
That has to be one of the most metal sections of a metal song ever.
Metallica. :P
I think the rest of the big 3 can hold their heads high for staying true to their thrash roots. Metallica's popularity skyrocketed because the moved away from that.lol, no. Megadeth also moved away with Cryptic Writings and Risk, and Anthrax went for a more Hardcore Sound with Stomp 442.
Basically this. Actually, all 4 bands had their low points. Slayer just happened to not deviate too far from thrash.I think the rest of the big 3 can hold their heads high for staying true to their thrash roots. Metallica's popularity skyrocketed because the moved away from that.lol, no. Megadeth also moved away with Cryptic Writings and Risk, and Anthrax went for a more Hardcore Sound with Stomp 442.
I think the rest of the big 3 can hold their heads high for staying true to their thrash roots. Metallica's popularity skyrocketed because the moved away from that.lol, no. Megadeth also moved away with Cryptic Writings and Risk, and Anthrax went for a more Hardcore Sound with Stomp 442.
There's nothing hardcore about Stomp 442..I don't understand.I think the rest of the big 3 can hold their heads high for staying true to their thrash roots. Metallica's popularity skyrocketed because the moved away from that.lol, no. Megadeth also moved away with Cryptic Writings and Risk, and Anthrax went for a more Hardcore Sound with Stomp 442.
Yeah, but nobody sank as low as Metallica.I think the rest of the big 3 can hold their heads high for staying true to their thrash roots. Metallica's popularity skyrocketed because the moved away from that.lol, no. Megadeth also moved away with Cryptic Writings and Risk, and Anthrax went for a more Hardcore Sound with Stomp 442.
I heard Cryptic Writings today for like the 3rd time ever. Disappointed.
I heard Cryptic Writings today for like the 3rd time ever. Disappointed.
Listen again, its a grower. Granted, some of the tracks are just bad, but there are some gems.
I heard Cryptic Writings today for like the 3rd time ever. Disappointed.
I just pretend Undisputed Attitude never happened.
:|I just pretend Undisputed Attitude never happened.
Back when I used to listen to Slayer, I remember thinking Undisputed Attitude was boss.
................a drum beats for me.........it grows louder everyday.........the cadence tells me........that soon.....it will be my judgement day.They were dying for fame so I obliged them some relieeeeef
Seriously. That album is just plain fun.
WWWWWAAAAAAAAAIM................a drum beats for me.........it grows louder everyday.........the cadence tells me........that soon.....it will be my judgement day.They were dying for fame so I obliged them some relieeeeef
Risk is awesome. Fuck you guys.
Risk is awesome. Fuck you guys.It's better than its own reputation would lead to believe. Still not great, but a decent hard rock album if you look at it like that.
Crush 'Em is literally the only weak link on the entire album. The rest of the songs either have a really cool chorus or they're just good songs.
Except I often don't! :biggrin:Crush 'Em is literally the only weak link on the entire album. The rest of the songs either have a really cool chorus or they're just good songs.
This. And, after all, he is the ultimate metal head, so you should listen to him. I mean, it's right there in his name and everything.
I agree with Gadough. Undisputed Attitude is by far my least favorite Slayer album, but I still like it.I just pretend Undisputed Attitude never happened.
Back when I used to listen to Slayer, I remember thinking Undisputed Attitude was boss.
That's obviously your problem.Except I often don't! :biggrin:Crush 'Em is literally the only weak link on the entire album. The rest of the songs either have a really cool chorus or they're just good songs.
This. And, after all, he is the ultimate metal head, so you should listen to him. I mean, it's right there in his name and everything.
:|
I really think Dave's voice is great. Better than Layne Staley at any rate. :neverusethis:
This, mega.I really think Dave's voice is great. Better than Layne Staley at any rate. :neverusethis:
:neverusethis: no
Listening to Sudden Death right now. It's really good, and had they composed it before it would definitely be on Endgame... Better than some of the songs in that album, IMO.Great song :metal
'Cause Dave's voice is becoming crap.Bro since when do you listen to megadeth for dave's vocals
Dave Mustaine and Layne Staley's voices are about as bad as each others, bros.
Dave Mustaine is a not a good singer. He has a cool voice and it fits for Megadeth. But by all means, he is NOT a good singer.This is what I was trying to say earlier.
Dave Mustaine is a not a good singer. He has a cool voice and it fits for Megadeth. But by all means, he is NOT a good singer.Most of the songs on Risk disagree with you.
Dave Mustaine and Layne Staley's voices are about as bad as each others, bros.How the fuck did Layne Staley get into this thread?
Dave Mustaine is a not a good singer. He has a cool voice and it fits for Megadeth. But by all means, he is NOT a good singer.Agreed.
Dave Mustaine is a not a good singer. He has a cool voice and it fits for Megadeth. But by all means, he is NOT a good singer.
But, like my post above indicates, Youthanasia is clearly the best them.
I listened to The System Has Failed today, and for the first time I think it's a good album. Not a bad effort at all after almost being put out of a musical career just a year and a half earlier!This; I think it's great!
ThisDave Mustaine and Layne Staley's voices are about as bad as each others, bros.How the fuck did Layne Staley get into this thread?
Anyways, Layne > Dave easily. In fact, I'd classify him as a pretty decent vocalist. Not the best, but there are far worse out there.Dave Mustaine is a not a good singer. He has a cool voice and it fits for Megadeth. But by all means, he is NOT a good singer.Agreed.
I have to say, I don't understand all the hate towards Mustaine's voice. I think it works well for the style of music that Megadeth plays, and even on albums as recent as Endgame, it still sounds good. That being said, I am fully aware of the decline his voice has taken in live performances in recent years.
What parts are overdubbed? I have the DVD and I'm curious.While I don't have confirmation, I think Dave's voice is heavily overdubbed.
What parts are overdubbed? I have the DVD and I'm curious.While I don't have confirmation, I think Dave's voice is heavily overdubbed.
1) He sounds too good compared to all of the live recordings I've seen/heard on YouTube
2) Mouth isn't lining up with certain words. Time stamps will come with time.
I know this isn't news to a lot of people, nor does it bother me. The DVD is just plain rocking and feeds my eternal love for Megadeth nostalgia.
I listened to The System Has Failed today, and for the first time I think it's a good album. Not a bad effort at all after almost being put out of a musical career just a year and a half earlier!
I listened to The System Has Failed today, and for the first time I think it's a good album. Not a bad effort at all after almost being put out of a musical career just a year and a half earlier!
One of their best albums, easily.
I listened to The System Has Failed today, and for the first time I think it's a good album. Not a bad effort at all after almost being put out of a musical career just a year and a half earlier!
One of their best albums, easily.
I listened to The System Has Failed today, and for the first time I think it's a good album. Not a bad effort at all after almost being put out of a musical career just a year and a half earlier!
One of their best albums, easily.
Dunno, I think it has quite a few too many songs that are not bad by any means but really have nothing special going for them.
Not bad by any means, though. I do like Kick the Chair and Of Mice and Men is a pretty cool song.
I listened to The System Has Failed today, and for the first time I think it's a good album. Not a bad effort at all after almost being put out of a musical career just a year and a half earlier!
One of their best albums, easily.
yeah, I think it's one of their best too. Having Chris Poland back on lead helped too.
All we're getting is one more record, then he's retiring from Megadeth. I think he still has it in him.
TSHS = The System Has...Sailed?All we're getting is one more record, then he's retiring from Megadeth. I think he still has it in him.
What are you referring to here?
TSHS = The System Has...Sailed?All we're getting is one more record, then he's retiring from Megadeth. I think he still has it in him.
What are you referring to here?
Well that was confusing :\ TSHF I meant lol :D
So Dave has basically stated before he's got one more record to do with Megadeth before he's completed his contract. After that, he's retiring to do some work at his studio I think. Teaching kids or something. It's in an older issue of GuitarWorld I have.
TSHS = The System Has...Sailed?All we're getting is one more record, then he's retiring from Megadeth. I think he still has it in him.
What are you referring to here?
Well that was confusing :\ TSHF I meant lol :D
So Dave has basically stated before he's got one more record to do with Megadeth before he's completed his contract. After that, he's retiring to do some work at his studio I think. Teaching kids or something. It's in an older issue of GuitarWorld I have.
Well that's rather disappointing.
I listened to The System Has Failed today, and for the first time I think it's a good album. Not a bad effort at all after almost being put out of a musical career just a year and a half earlier!
One of their best albums, easily.
Dunno, I think it has quite a few too many songs that are not bad by any means but really have nothing special going for them.
Not bad by any means, though. I do like Kick the Chair and Of Mice and Men is a pretty cool song.I listened to The System Has Failed today, and for the first time I think it's a good album. Not a bad effort at all after almost being put out of a musical career just a year and a half earlier!
One of their best albums, easily.
yeah, I think it's one of their best too. Having Chris Poland back on lead helped too.
Just replying to all you guys --- Now that the subject is back, I listened to UA and EG as well. I finished the book last week at the same time. I've concluded that while each album is an effort for the Megadeth comeback since his injury, TSHS is the best out of them after TWNAH. UA is better than EG. I didn't feel any spart to the most of the record, oh well. At least I like UA this time more than I ever have, and TSHS. EG is okay, but the weakest out of said three. But anyway, Dave's been making the effort to continue with his career since the injury which is great. Blackmail The Universe is a fucking heavy song, maybe the heaviest since like... Rust In Peace? All we're getting is one more record, then he's retiring from Megadeth. I think he still has it in him.
I feel just the opposite. To me, Endgame ranks as my #3 Megadeth album after SFSGSW and RIP.
I feel just the opposite. To me, Endgame ranks as my #3 Megadeth album after SFSGSW and RIP.
Never listened to much Megadeth but heard Sweating Bullets today and loved it.:tup
Never listened to much Megadeth but heard Sweating Bullets today and loved it.
Never listened to much Megadeth but heard Sweating Bullets today and loved it.
You need Killing Is My Business, Peace Sells, and Rust In Peace. Go get 'em!
"Countdown To Extinction"
I triple tracked a bit of Wake Up Dead with my practice amp.
https://www.netmusicians.org/files/32-WUD.mp3 (https://www.netmusicians.org/files/32-WUD.mp3)
I triple tracked a bit of Wake Up Dead with my practice amp.
https://www.netmusicians.org/files/32-WUD.mp3 (https://www.netmusicians.org/files/32-WUD.mp3)
Interesting to hear just the rhythm over that part. Nice sound for a practice amp.
Cole says Rust in Peace is boring because it opens with Megadeth's best song ever.Cole also fails.
I'm skype chatting him atm.:rollin
He also says Endgame is their best album.
I'm skype chatting him atm.Wow. Just...wow.
He also says Endgame is their best album.
I'm skype chatting him atm.Wow. Just...wow.
He also says Endgame is their best album.
I mean, it's a great album, and easily their best album that wasn't released in 1990 or earlier, but still...
I'm skype chatting him atm.Wow. Just...wow.
He also says Endgame is their best album.
I mean, it's a great album, and easily their best album that wasn't released in 1990 or earlier
I'm trying to figure out what you mean, because if it's that those albums are better than Endgame, then that's exactly what UMH is saying.I'm skype chatting him atm.Wow. Just...wow.
He also says Endgame is their best album.
I mean, it's a great album, and easily their best album that wasn't released in 1990 or earlier
Countdown and Youthanasia called -- they want to know what you're smoking? Hell, Cryptic Writings might even be on the line.
God damn you for making me look at my post again to make sure I didn't fuck up. :pSee, he meant what I thought he meant. Ok, sure, I can semi-understand low feelings for CW, but ranking Endgame over Countdown and Youthanasia just doesn't fly with me.
Okay, I'll just post album rankings to make it more clear.
1. Rust in Peace
2. Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?
3. Killing is my Business...And Business is Good!
4. So Far, So Good, So What!
5. Endgame
6. Countdown to Extinction
7. Youthanasia
8. The World Needs a Hero
9. United Abominations
10. Risk
11. The System Has Failed
12. Cryptic Writings
Sorry you feel that way. Endgame kicks the living shit out of everything below it.You know after reading your first post a couple of hours ago, I went back and listened to it and CW back-to-back. Yes, the shredding and riffing on EG is amazing, but, to me, the album lacks a lot in melodies, particularly vocal melodies. I think that's why I love those 90's albums so much -- because they had the catchiest melodies. And that's just a preference I have with a lot of my metal (though not all).
I totally agree with you there. The vocals in that period were Mustaine's best, bar none. However, the music in that time period lacked the energy and the fury that Endgame has. That's the aspect that really sends it home for me. Mustaine hasn't sounded that focused in a really long time.Sorry you feel that way. Endgame kicks the living shit out of everything below it.You know after reading your first post a couple of hours ago, I went back and listened to it and CW back-to-back. Yes, the shredding and riffing on EG is amazing, but, to me, the album lacks a lot in melodies, particularly vocal melodies. I think that's why I love those 90's albums so much -- because they had the catchiest melodies. And that's just a preference I have with a lot of my metal (though not all).
I therefore theorize that RIP is the closest to the best of both worlds, where his vocals had improved but the music was still top-notch. At least for you. That's kind of where I put Countdown -- as the perfect marriage between earlier Megadeth and later, more commercial Megadeth.I totally agree with you there. The vocals in that period were Mustaine's best, bar none. However, the music in that time period lacked the energy and the fury that Endgame has. That's the aspect that really sends it home for me. Mustaine hasn't sounded that focused in a really long time.Sorry you feel that way. Endgame kicks the living shit out of everything below it.You know after reading your first post a couple of hours ago, I went back and listened to it and CW back-to-back. Yes, the shredding and riffing on EG is amazing, but, to me, the album lacks a lot in melodies, particularly vocal melodies. I think that's why I love those 90's albums so much -- because they had the catchiest melodies. And that's just a preference I have with a lot of my metal (though not all).
Completely agreed in every aspect. Endgame is still better than Countdown though.I therefore theorize that RIP is the closest to the best of both worlds, where his vocals had improved but the music was still top-notch. At least for you. That's kind of where I put Countdown -- as the perfect marriage between earlier Megadeth and later, more commercial Megadeth.I totally agree with you there. The vocals in that period were Mustaine's best, bar none. However, the music in that time period lacked the energy and the fury that Endgame has. That's the aspect that really sends it home for me. Mustaine hasn't sounded that focused in a really long time.Sorry you feel that way. Endgame kicks the living shit out of everything below it.You know after reading your first post a couple of hours ago, I went back and listened to it and CW back-to-back. Yes, the shredding and riffing on EG is amazing, but, to me, the album lacks a lot in melodies, particularly vocal melodies. I think that's why I love those 90's albums so much -- because they had the catchiest melodies. And that's just a preference I have with a lot of my metal (though not all).
Countdown to Extinction and Youthanasia are musically VERY MATURE albums compared to its predecessors. While Endgame is... better than everything later than Youthanasia, it fails to outgrow those 2 CLASSICS in any way.Therefore, Endgame is a more mature version of Rust in Peace.
I'll put on Endgame tomorrow and we'll talk.There's no need. I already put it on this afternoon. He's wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgyUlPPjSwgIndeed. I think we've taken this particular discussion as far as it will go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgyUlPPjSwgIndeed. I think we've taken this particular discussion as far as it will go.
Therefore, on a new note: "Holy Wars" and "Hangar 18" may be the best one-two punch to open any album ever :metal :metal :metal
But "Ghost Of Perdition" doesn't punch straight out of the gate; it has that little acoustic intro. I guess in my mind I was thinking of songs that really hit it right from the first second. Maybe a silly criteria, but that was my frame of mind when I made the statement.Ghost of Perdition and The Baying of the Hounds would like to have a word with you.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgyUlPPjSwgTherefore, on a new note: "Holy Wars" and "Hangar 18" may be the best one-two punch to open any album ever :metal :metal :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgyUlPPjSwgIndeed. I think we've taken this particular discussion as far as it will go.
Therefore, on a new note: "Holy Wars" and "Hangar 18" may be the best one-two punch to open any album ever :metal :metal :metal
:2metal:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgyUlPPjSwgIndeed. I think we've taken this particular discussion as far as it will go.
Therefore, on a new note: "Holy Wars" and "Hangar 18" may be the best one-two punch to open any album ever :metal :metal :metal
Blackened and And Justice for All
Not even.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgyUlPPjSwgIndeed. I think we've taken this particular discussion as far as it will go.
Therefore, on a new note: "Holy Wars" and "Hangar 18" may be the best one-two punch to open any album ever :metal :metal :metal
Blackened and And Justice for All
Not even.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgyUlPPjSwgIndeed. I think we've taken this particular discussion as far as it will go.
Therefore, on a new note: "Holy Wars" and "Hangar 18" may be the best one-two punch to open any album ever :metal :metal :metal
Blackened and And Justice for All
I feel just the opposite. To me, Endgame ranks as my #3 Megadeth album after SFSGSW and RIP.
I just couldn't dig it, it did absolutely nothing for me. Boring songs, no interesting hooks, just generic run of the mill Megadeth.
Best Megadeth riff...GO!Tornado of Souls easily!
Too hard for me to choose.
Best Megadeth riff...GO!Tornado of Souls easily!
Too hard for me to choose.
Best Megadeth riff...GO!
Too hard for me to choose.
Black Curtains is addicting!So is cocaine.
Black Curtains is worse.Black Curtains is addicting!So is cocaine.
Debatable. I'm tempted to agree.Black Curtains is worse.Black Curtains is addicting!So is cocaine.
Debatable. I'm tempted to agree.Black Curtains is worse.Black Curtains is addicting!So is cocaine.
:angel:Debatable. I'm tempted to agree.Black Curtains is worse.Black Curtains is addicting!So is cocaine.
You're too young to be able to debate that...Just stick with Black Curtains.
Be good.
Black Curtains is addicting!
Can't decide, but She Wolf has a sexing riff.
The later half of Hangar 18.
What do you do when you're possessed with hellish torment?
If they've got another album close to RiPs quality, then I might be totally sold on them.
Well there isn't another album even close to Rust in Peace, but I'd say Countdown to Extinction is their second best.I agree that Countdown would be your next best bet, though I'm sure others will disagree. It's got the same line-up as RIP, and I think it's the perfect cross between their more technical side and their more melodic side. Granted, though, it's not nearly as technical as RIP. The vocals and melodies, however, are a lot better, IMO.
So guys...
I like Rust in Peace. A lot. What Megadeth album should I get next. Be warned that I've tried a lot of songs, and they've all been huge hits (Dialectic Chaos, Peace Sells) or huge misses (Skin O My Teeth, Wake Up Dead, Most of Endgame). If they've got another album close to RiPs quality, then I might be totally sold on them.
I love Rust, but I hate the earlier albums.wat.
i dont even.I love Rust, but I hate the earlier albums.wat.
The Big 4 DVD is the best Megadeth Live album apart from the Warchest 90s Wembley show. Mustaine vocals are on spot.
Metallica is Metallica and they have released too many live shows in past few years and the setlist is meh.
Anthrax has an interesting show, the riffs are there and the sound is awesome but never was a fan of Belladonna.
Slayer has a weak Araya and there are many better live shows from them.
The Big 4 DVD is the best Megadeth Live album apart from the Warchest 90s Wembley show. Mustaine vocals are on spot.
Metallica is Metallica and they have released too many live shows in past few years and the setlist is meh.
Anthrax has an interesting show, the riffs are there and the sound is awesome but never was a fan of Belladonna.
Slayer has a weak Araya and there are many better live shows from them.
You know that Dave's vocals are so overdubbed it is more of a studio record than a live one. If that doesn't bother you, fine. It does not bother me either but I do feel the need to mention this when I hear of how "spot on" he sounds.
The Big 4 DVD is the best Megadeth Live album apart from the Warchest 90s Wembley show. Mustaine vocals are on spot.
Metallica is Metallica and they have released too many live shows in past few years and the setlist is meh.
Anthrax has an interesting show, the riffs are there and the sound is awesome but never was a fan of Belladonna.
Slayer has a weak Araya and there are many better live shows from them.
You know that Dave's vocals are so overdubbed it is more of a studio record than a live one. If that doesn't bother you, fine. It does not bother me either but I do feel the need to mention this when I hear of how "spot on" he sounds.
A friend of mine told me he always does that. He overdubs his vocal tracks in every DVD he does so he can sound good. He didn't do that in the Rude Awakening DVD, and he sounds awful there.The Big 4 DVD is the best Megadeth Live album apart from the Warchest 90s Wembley show. Mustaine vocals are on spot.
Metallica is Metallica and they have released too many live shows in past few years and the setlist is meh.
Anthrax has an interesting show, the riffs are there and the sound is awesome but never was a fan of Belladonna.
Slayer has a weak Araya and there are many better live shows from them.
You know that Dave's vocals are so overdubbed it is more of a studio record than a live one. If that doesn't bother you, fine. It does not bother me either but I do feel the need to mention this when I hear of how "spot on" he sounds.
It seems like they fixed it for DVD version cause in the version I got his voice sounds like torture.
But you know I mind it when Mustaine's voice is off, I like his off voice, it's raw, sloppy, shitty, evil and slightly disgusting heh
But you know I mind it when Mustaine's voice is off, I like his off voice, it's raw, sloppy, shitty, evil and slightly disgusting heh
I don't mind it either. When I saw him live last year he sounded pretty good singing everything in key at least.
Megadeth survivor is back up. (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=19143.0) :D
I didn't know that Al Pitrelli, who used to be with Savatage,is currently a main member of Trans-Siberian Orchestra, which used to BE Savatage.
Didn't Al Pitrelli also play with Megadeth?
So, I've been thinking of getting the remasters of Killing Is My Business and Peace Sells... are they worth it?
The first album's remaster is probably worth it.
So, I've been thinking of getting the remasters of Killing Is My Business and Peace Sells... are they worth it?
I have the original ones.So, I've been thinking of getting the remasters of Killing Is My Business and Peace Sells... are they worth it?
Do you have or have you heard the originals?
I think the debut remaster is definitely worth it.I have the original ones.So, I've been thinking of getting the remasters of Killing Is My Business and Peace Sells... are they worth it?
Do you have or have you heard the originals?
I'm getting the feeling that the Peace Sell remaster isn't worth it. :lolI honestly haven't heard that one.
The first four are worth it for sure. Just download em if you aren't sure.I'm getting the feeling that the Peace Sell remaster isn't worth it. :lolI honestly haven't heard that one.
Okay guys, Peace Sells or Countdown to Extinction? GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOYOUDECIDEMYNEXTPURCHASE
Okay guys, Peace Sells or Countdown to Extinction? GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOYOUDECIDEMYNEXTPURCHASEPeace Sells, no doubt.
Peace Sells
Okay guys, Peace Sells or Countdown to Extinction? GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOYOUDECIDEMYNEXTPURCHASEPeace Sells, no doubt.
Countdown, without equivocation.
Okay guys, Peace Sells or Countdown to Extinction? GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOYOUDECIDEMYNEXTPURCHASE
Countdown, without equivocation.
I'm one play off 666 plays for Megadeth on my Last.fm. Which song shall I make the 666th? :metal"Devil's Island" :2metal:
:tup That nails it in for me.I'm one play off 666 plays for Megadeth on my Last.fm. Which song shall I make the 666th? :metal"Devil's Island" :2metal:
How can I view my 666th Megadeth scrobble?
But how do I actually know what song was my 666th scrobble?:tup That nails it in for me.I'm one play off 666 plays for Megadeth on my Last.fm. Which song shall I make the 666th? :metal"Devil's Island" :2metal:
How can I view my 666th Megadeth scrobble?
https://www.last.fm/user/BirchBoy0925/library
Hmmmmmmmm.. There are those tool thingos that show you your "milestone" play. 1000th > 1500th, etc. I've only seen that for total plays for your whole Last.fm. For bands? I have no clue mate.But how do I actually know what song was my 666th scrobble?:tup That nails it in for me.I'm one play off 666 plays for Megadeth on my Last.fm. Which song shall I make the 666th? :metal"Devil's Island" :2metal:
How can I view my 666th Megadeth scrobble?
https://www.last.fm/user/BirchBoy0925/library
I suppose the difference with Devin Townsend is that it's his "solo" project by name, whereas with bands like Megadeth, it's basically a guy's solo project under the guise of being a "band."
Man, it's so awesome to see someone who agrees with me about Megadeth's catalog being far superior than Metallica's (I know there's a few of you out there, but hell, we have one more now. :D).
Man, it's so awesome to see someone who agrees with me about Megadeth's catalog being far superior than Metallica's (I know there's a few of you out there, but hell, we have one more now. :D).
I'm in that group, too.
Megadeth is better than Metallica tho.
I'm not getting into this at this particular juncture. :lolYou answered your own question. If they have Metallica, they will fill stadiums, therefore, they will play stadiums. Playing anything else is extraordinarily stupid.
All I am saying is, are they going to play stadiums?
Depending on what time of year, they could either play Madison Square Garden (20,000 people) or Yankee Stadium (52,000 people). Those are my guesses.
If it's a very short tour and this stop is their only East Coast stop than probably YS.
It's not even a matter of the individual band's popularity. Any self-respecting thrash fan will be at this show, regardless. Playing anything less than stadiums is a terrible idea that will not go over very well.Depending on what time of year, they could either play Madison Square Garden (20,000 people) or Yankee Stadium (52,000 people). Those are my guesses.
If it's a very short tour and this stop is their only East Coast stop than probably YS.
See, that is what I am saying. I mean, when you think about it, their normal back up bands are pretty damn popular. I mean, I saw them on their World Magnetic tour and the first time, they had Machine Head opening for them, and the second time, they had Lamb of God. Two huge metal acts in this generation. So, I mean, I guess Slayer and Megadeth are more popular but not by much. Anthrax isn't as popular. So, they could pack an arena or just go for a stadium. I am hoping for a arena. I hate stadiums with a passion.
UMH:Well, even if they do lose the "Enter Sandman" people, they will gain people like me who would not go to see Metallica by themselves. I'm sure there's plenty of Megadeth and Slayer fans who have far grown out of Metallica who will go to see this just because of the novelty.
You are right, and I am saying now, they will probably play stadiums. No offense to your favorite bands, because I definitely don't want to come off as a dick, but this is Metallica's gig. They can rake in fans by the thousands. And I understand that you said "any self respecting thrash fan" would go, but do they outnumber the wishy-washy "ENTER SANDMAN!!! :metal " people because those ass holes, are not gonna be there for this one. Metallica's dudes needs to analyze how many people they think they could fit into a stadium and how many would show up. Metallica did a Summer Sanitarium tour with stadiums with bands much more accessible than Slayer, Megadeth, and Anthrax and I do not know how it did
I really wish they would do another big 4, but ditch Slayer and replace them with Testament, and ditch Anthrax and replace them with Flotsam & Jetsam. To me, that would make the PERFECT thrash lineup.
I know (1) I'm probably in the minority, and (2) it'll never happen anyway, but I really wish they would do another big 4, but ditch Slayer and replace them with Testament, and ditch Anthrax and replace them with Flotsam & Jetsam. To me, that would make the PERFECT thrash lineup.Nah, just ditch Slayer and add Testament and F&J.
Man that rocks.
Better yet, just make a big 8. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Overkill, Exodus, Flotsam & Jetsam, and Testament.Slayer is still there, everybody loses.
There, everybody wins.
Better yet, just make a big 8. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Overkill, Exodus, Flotsam & Jetsam, and Testament.
There, everybody wins.
You misread. There's 8 great bands.More like 7.
Better yet, just make a big 8. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Overkill, Exodus, Flotsam & Jetsam, and Testament.
There, everybody wins.
That's like a mass exodus of thrash. :neverusethis:Better yet, just make a big 8. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Overkill, Exodus, Flotsam & Jetsam, and Testament.
There, everybody wins.
I dunno man, that just seems like overkill to me. :neverusethis:
Or a mega slaying of metal. :neverusethis:That's like a mass exodus of thrash. :neverusethis:Better yet, just make a big 8. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Overkill, Exodus, Flotsam & Jetsam, and Testament.
There, everybody wins.
I dunno man, that just seems like overkill to me. :neverusethis:
A true testament to thrash metal's staying power. :neverusethis:Or a mega slaying of metal. :neverusethis:That's like a mass exodus of thrash. :neverusethis:Better yet, just make a big 8. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Overkill, Exodus, Flotsam & Jetsam, and Testament.
There, everybody wins.
I dunno man, that just seems like overkill to me. :neverusethis:
That's getting really annoying. :neverusethis:A true testament to thrash metal's staying power. :neverusethis:Or a mega slaying of metal. :neverusethis:That's like a mass exodus of thrash. :neverusethis:Better yet, just make a big 8. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Overkill, Exodus, Flotsam & Jetsam, and Testament.
There, everybody wins.
I dunno man, that just seems like overkill to me. :neverusethis:
I don't know what you're talking about...That's getting really annoying. :neverusethis:A true testament to thrash metal's staying power. :neverusethis:Or a mega slaying of metal. :neverusethis:That's like a mass exodus of thrash. :neverusethis:Better yet, just make a big 8. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Overkill, Exodus, Flotsam & Jetsam, and Testament.
There, everybody wins.
I dunno man, that just seems like overkill to me. :neverusethis:
Nah, I just sent letters containing spam bombs that knock spammers' post counts down to zero.Looks like it got you too. :p
2011 marks the 25th anniversary of Megadeth's second album, "Peace Sells… But Who's Buying?!" So will the band tour behind that as well like they did for the 20th anniversary of "Rust In Peace" last year? Dave Mustaine told VH1 Radio Networks' Dave Basner, "We've already had people talk to us about doing that and I told our manager that I'm totally interested in doing 'Peace Sells' for a 25th anniversary this year but I don't want to do it all year like we did with 'Rust in Peace'. I want to do it towards the end of the year. So we'll do the whole year doing our thing and then come around October, where the end of the year is, you've got a quarter of the year left, October, November and December, where we can do the 'Peace Sells' thing."
Kreator :neverusethis:I don't know what you're talking about...That's getting really annoying. :neverusethis:A true testament to thrash metal's staying power. :neverusethis:Or a mega slaying of metal. :neverusethis:That's like a mass exodus of thrash. :neverusethis:Better yet, just make a big 8. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Overkill, Exodus, Flotsam & Jetsam, and Testament.
There, everybody wins.
I dunno man, that just seems like overkill to me. :neverusethis:
:neverusethis:
SICK news from their website!Holy fucking shit fuck. If this means they are playing The Conjuring and GM/BF, I am not missing this for the world.Quote2011 marks the 25th anniversary of Megadeth's second album, "Peace Sells… But Who's Buying?!" So will the band tour behind that as well like they did for the 20th anniversary of "Rust In Peace" last year? Dave Mustaine told VH1 Radio Networks' Dave Basner, "We've already had people talk to us about doing that and I told our manager that I'm totally interested in doing 'Peace Sells' for a 25th anniversary this year but I don't want to do it all year like we did with 'Rust in Peace'. I want to do it towards the end of the year. So we'll do the whole year doing our thing and then come around October, where the end of the year is, you've got a quarter of the year left, October, November and December, where we can do the 'Peace Sells' thing."
:metalol:Kreator :neverusethis:I don't know what you're talking about...That's getting really annoying. :neverusethis:A true testament to thrash metal's staying power. :neverusethis:Or a mega slaying of metal. :neverusethis:That's like a mass exodus of thrash. :neverusethis:Better yet, just make a big 8. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Overkill, Exodus, Flotsam & Jetsam, and Testament.
There, everybody wins.
I dunno man, that just seems like overkill to me. :neverusethis:
:neverusethis:
I don't get the hate for Anthrax. True, they were not as consistently good as Megadeth or Slayer (and Metallica, to a lesser extent), but they did much more interesting things with their music than Slayer ever did.
FYI, there's talk of a Peace Sells tour.We know ;) see below.
The Conjuring... :o
SICK news from their website!Quote2011 marks the 25th anniversary of Megadeth's second album, "Peace Sells… But Who's Buying?!" So will the band tour behind that as well like they did for the 20th anniversary of "Rust In Peace" last year? Dave Mustaine told VH1 Radio Networks' Dave Basner, "We've already had people talk to us about doing that and I told our manager that I'm totally interested in doing 'Peace Sells' for a 25th anniversary this year but I don't want to do it all year like we did with 'Rust in Peace'. I want to do it towards the end of the year. So we'll do the whole year doing our thing and then come around October, where the end of the year is, you've got a quarter of the year left, October, November and December, where we can do the 'Peace Sells' thing."
watAs good as those 2 are, I have to respond this way:
Countdown to Extinction and Youthanasia...
I love United Abominations. It's actually in my top 5 Megadeth albums, and it's better than Endgame.
^Indeed.
Post-injury Megadeth:
System
Abominations
Endgame
^Indeed.
Post-injury Megadeth:
System
Abominations
Endgame
I agree. The main reason I'm quoting, however, is because I like how you classified those 3 albums. hahah
I think I've fallen in love with Megadeth again. Spinning Youthanasia tonight. :metal
But Countdown is the best them!
inb4lolnoRIP
lolnoRIP
But Countdown is the best them!
inb4lolnoRIPlolnoRIP
:lol
Likewise, if someone were to ask me for the pinnacle of thrash metal perfection, I'd give them RIP. Countdown is just my personal favorite.
I have now come to the conclusion that This Day We Fight is a perfect thrash song.One of the best off Endgame.
But Countdown is the best them!
inb4lolnoRIPlolnoRIP
:lol
Sorry bud. Had to. :lol
Seriously, I love Peace Sells, Rust, and Countdown. They're all pretty much "FUCKIN A!" :metal. I know many people will mention Countdown as the best or their favourite.
Considering I have new headphones, I wouldn't mind giving Countdown a listen to hear how it sounds. Maybe the remix album, we'll see.
The remix is horrible compared to the original.
The remix is horrible compared to the original.
The remixes aren't bad. It's just that when you know and love an album the way it is, and you don't necessarily want a re-release, sometimes the changes can be jarring. I personally miss the intro of Insomnia.
The remix is horrible compared to the original.
I've heard a lot of people say this about the Megadeth remixes. I've only heard the original version of Rust in Peace and to be perfectly honest, I didn't really notice a huge difference. Now mind you, this was about six years ago when I barely knew anything about music, but still. What is it that makes the remixes so bad?
The remix is horrible compared to the original.
I've heard a lot of people say this about the Megadeth remixes. I've only heard the original version of Rust in Peace and to be perfectly honest, I didn't really notice a huge difference. Now mind you, this was about six years ago when I barely knew anything about music, but still. What is it that makes the remixes so bad?
I think the remix of RIP is awesome. It really beefed up the songs and they sound much better that way IMO.
Remix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYlUe-SDqA0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYlUe-SDqA0)
Original:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY0ersv8saU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY0ersv8saU)
Shaker? When I think Youthanasia, I think REALLY LOUD BASS. It actually used to bother me when I was younger.
The cabasa's used on pretty much every song. :metalol:
I play percussion in school, so I always fool around with it. I noticed it immediately and laughed, because it was awesome.The cabasa's used on pretty much every song. :metalol:
Yeah!! Totally ruined it for me once i noticed it!
I play percussion in school, so I always fool around with it. I noticed it immediately and laughed, because it was awesome.The cabasa's used on pretty much every song. :metalol:
Yeah!! Totally ruined it for me once i noticed it!
I guess Dave Mustaine had a kidney stone during their show in St. Petersburg, Russia the other night.Fuck.
He still got up in excruciating pain and performed six songs for the crowd, and then Slayer played an extended set.
For anyone who's ever had a kidney stone, they know that this must have been absolute hell for him to do this. Kudos Dave!
^Fuck. I remember years ago I really wanted my own Kelly. Much prefer his RIP/CTE/Youth/touring guitar now. That's weird to us but it's probably no problem for him to get rid of his old stuff he'll never use again. It's maybe like seeing your old toys in the basement then having to get rid of them for any reason.
FORGIVE ME FATHER
FOR I HAVE SINNED
I'M A CHILD OF THE AIR
I'M A WITCH OF THE WIND...
AND I'M STILL WIDE AWAKE[/b
I guess Dave Mustaine had a kidney stone during their show in St. Petersburg, Russia the other night.
He still got up in excruciating pain and performed six songs for the crowd, and then Slayer played an extended set.
For anyone who's ever had a kidney stone, they know that this must have been absolute hell for him to do this. Kudos Dave!
Best songs on SFSGSW are Darkest Hour, Hook In Mouth, and Set The World Afire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A9-7FSAczw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A9-7FSAczw)Best songs on SFSGSW are Darkest Hour, Hook In Mouth, and Set The World Afire
Gross.
Video battle, sir? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rBPOAhtljQ&feature=relatedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A9-7FSAczw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A9-7FSAczw)Best songs on SFSGSW are Darkest Hour, Hook In Mouth, and Set The World Afire
Gross.
Video battle, sir? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rBPOAhtljQ&feature=relatedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A9-7FSAczw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A9-7FSAczw)Best songs on SFSGSW are Darkest Hour, Hook In Mouth, and Set The World Afire
Gross.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A9-7FSAczw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A9-7FSAczw)Best songs on SFSGSW are Darkest Hour, Hook In Mouth, and Set The World Afire
Gross.
Video battle, sir? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rBPOAhtljQ&feature=related
:lolVideo battle, sir? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rBPOAhtljQ&feature=related
I bet Metallica saw that and thus record their rendition.
Anyway, nothing will top this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIu6h-I4tmU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIu6h-I4tmU)
One of the comments makes me lol..."HE IS NOT DROVER NOOB, HE IS DEGRASSO"
Yeah man, I never saw this until now!Video battle, sir? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rBPOAhtljQ&feature=related
That's awesome!
How does everyone feel about So Far So Good So What? It doesn't seem to get much love. It's my personal favorite. I really got into Megadeth when it came out. The only throwaway track is Anarchy, and 502 is OK, but evertything else is gold.
How does everyone feel about So Far So Good So What? It doesn't seem to get much love. It's my personal favorite. I really got into Megadeth when it came out. The only throwaway track is Anarchy, and 502 is OK, but evertything else is gold.
Contains my favorite Megadeth song of all time
:lolVideo battle, sir? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rBPOAhtljQ&feature=related
I bet Metallica saw that and thus record their rendition.
Anyway, nothing will top this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIu6h-I4tmU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIu6h-I4tmU)
One of the comments makes me lol..."HE IS NOT DROVER NOOB, HE IS DEGRASSO"
And that's a pretty cool performance too.
How does everyone feel about So Far So Good So What? It doesn't seem to get much love. It's my personal favorite. I really got into Megadeth when it came out. The only throwaway track is Anarchy, and 502 is OK, but evertything else is gold.
Contains my favorite Megadeth song of all time
In My Darkest Hour?
That's mine as well!
:lolVideo battle, sir? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rBPOAhtljQ&feature=related
I bet Metallica saw that and thus record their rendition.
Anyway, nothing will top this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIu6h-I4tmU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIu6h-I4tmU)
One of the comments makes me lol..."HE IS NOT DROVER NOOB, HE IS DEGRASSO"
And that's a pretty cool performance too.
To me, that was the ultimate Megadeth lineup. Yeah, Nick was a great drummer and was perfectly suited to Megadeth. But if his drumming in Megadeth would be considered a 9.9/10, I would consider Jimmy's to be 10.5/10. AND they still had Marty on guitar. Man, I wish I had seen them during that period.
Nothing against Menza at all. But have you ever seen Degrasso live?
Nothing against Menza at all. But have you ever seen Degrasso live?
With Y&T. And I've got a couple DVD's of him with Alice and Megadeth. Have you seen Menza live? I'll take Menza's performance from RIP over Degrasso's TWNAH.
Have you seen Menza live?
I'll take Menza's performance from RIP over Degrasso's TWNAH.
Degrasso over Menza??
99% sure I'll be there!
99% sure I'll be there!
Sweet! We should meet up!
Contageous tour.
EDIT: BTW, when did you see him with Y&T?
Contageous tour.
EDIT: BTW, when did you see him with Y&T?
I'll have to study up on Degrasso. He's just never really struck me as this immense talent. I mean, he's come a long way from his Y&T days, he's never jumped out at me as anything special.
Contageous tour.
EDIT: BTW, when did you see him with Y&T?
I'll have to study up on Degrasso. He's just never really struck me as this immense talent. I mean, he's come a long way from his Y&T days, he's never jumped out at me as anything special.
Ah, okay. Well, given how straightforward the drum tracks on most standard '80s metal songs, what he did on Contagious was extremely creative and experimental for that genre. And if you have Ten, keep in mind that it's not Jimmy on that album (even though he is credited and his picture is in the booklet). It's actually Steve Smith. Where you really start to see his creativity is on the two "reunion" albums in the late '90s. But even then, it sounds like whoever was recording him really didn't know how to record drums that well. I love his contributions in Megadeth. Even though the albums he played on are near the bottom of most fans' lists and you may not like the albums or the individual songs that much, try listening again and just focusing on the drum tracks and what he is doing.
I didn't know that about Ten! Is that Steve Smith from Journey? Interesting.
Hey Megadeth fans, come vote in the Survivor! The numbers are dwindling!
Hey Megadeth fans, come vote in the Survivor! The numbers are dwindling!
That's because the poll results are sucking really hard.
Hey Megadeth fans, come vote in the Survivor! The numbers are dwindling!
That's because the poll results are sucking really hard.
What's Menza done since leaving Megadeth, anyway?
Who knows the history of Crown Of Worms? Was it ever actually recorded? How old is the song?
Wasn't it a bonus track on the re-release of 'Countdown To Extinction'?
I've always thought Degrasso was Megadeth's best drummer too. Nick being close second.I totally agree!
Been listening to Endgame lately. Aside from the tendency to say "this is the best album since [one of band's undisputed best albums of all time]" whenever an artist releases a new album, I am reminded that this is probably their best album since the golden age of RIP-CTE-Youthanasia (other than, perhaps, Risk).
Been listening to Endgame lately. Aside from the tendency to say "this is the best album since [one of band's undisputed best albums of all time]" whenever an artist releases a new album, I am reminded that this is probably their best album since the golden age of RIP-CTE-Youthanasia (other than, perhaps, Risk).
You prefer Endgame to United Abominations? Interesting.
Been listening to Endgame lately. Aside from the tendency to say "this is the best album since [one of band's undisputed best albums of all time]" whenever an artist releases a new album, I am reminded that this is probably their best album since the golden age of RIP
UA > Endgame
Oh..and Bosk, not only am I taking Nick Menza over Jimmy Degrasso, but I'm also taking Chuck Beehler over him as well.
Oh..and Bosk, not only am I taking Nick Menza over Jimmy Degrasso, but I'm also taking Chuck Beehler over him as well.
I agree with TSHF being their best. The new 3 haven't done much for me at all.
I think DeGrasso's lack of appreciation comes mostly because the albums that featured him are the two least popular 'Deth albums to date, not because he's a bad drummer.Well it's hard to know exactly how good he is. Sure he can play Menza's parts live, but Menza had a great style all to himself.
1. The System Has Failed
2. United Abominations (close 2nd)
3. Endgame
Endgame was just so disappointing.It was? Wow, we are on different wavelengths lately! :D
Endgame was just so disappointing.It was? Wow, we are on different wavelengths lately! :D
1. The System Has Failed
2. United Abominations (close 2nd)
3. Endgame
I was only ranking those three. I didn't take the other albums into consideration.
Dude, WTF??What...
I was trying to listen to The System Has Failed today and I must say that as always I have problems with this one...
Well the countdown happened, but the extinction didn't.Touche
Well maybe it is, but you know I never get into albums after The World Needs A Hero, and it's just because lack of time. From The System Has Failed to Endgame I know Endgame the best and I like it very much. I have to prepare for next Megadeth Survivor part ;) But Scar Symmetry doesn't let me do it ;)...I was trying to listen to The System Has Failed today and I must say that as always I have problems with this one...
Why, it's such an amazing cd?
Lucky you, but personally I'd go for the first custom King V made for Mustaine in '86. :yarr
What's the artwork of?
*shrugs* Cool.
yeah, but can you play Stairway on it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uwn5lbKaIc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uwn5lbKaIc)I like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uwn5lbKaIc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uwn5lbKaIc)I like it.
Sounded like a pretty wicked song to only be featured in the game.I'm pretty sure it's just for the game, but we'll find out.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uwn5lbKaIc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uwn5lbKaIc)I like it.
If you are a giraffe, the guitar will be perfectly camoflaged when you play it.:lol
OH HEY GUYS THAT MEGADETH BAND IS PRETTY COOL HUH
Millennium has some decent songs...just sayin'.It had, I remember my sister had that cassette (yes, a cassette) and used to played it all the time.
I love how people are taking this thread's title change seriously. :lol
I love how people are taking this thread's title change seriously. :lol
Okay, so...Megadeth.
Kinda looking forward to The Big 4. Lars said he didn't think they were going to do Am I Evil the next time around. Any guesses?
Kinda looking forward to The Big 4. Lars said he didn't think they were going to do Am I Evil the next time around. Any guesses?
Possibly the Mechanix/Four Horseman instead?
...includes my copy of MD.45 with dave on vox.
I'd love to see them do something like Iron Man, but I have a feeling Lars would fuck up the drum intro.
I'd love to see them do something like Iron Man, but I have a feeling Lars would fuck up the drum intro.
Mave, I love your sheets.
Mave, I love your sheets.
Digging it, but I can never judge new music from a live performance.
When is this supposed to come out?
As long as the music is good, it could be called, "The 1ne after tw3lve" for all I care.Or inb414.
As long as the music is good, it could be called, "The 1ne after tw3lve" for all I care.Or inb414.
As long as the music is good, it could be called, "The 1ne after tw3lve" for all I care.Pretty much this, although a cool name is always nice.
Where was it announced with that spelling? He only said it out loud at Sonisphere.Nice! :) They announced it on facebook, I posted the message on the previous page.
Anyway, Megadeth put on a really good show at the festival! The new song I didn't find very exciting to be honest, but the set list was top-notch and they performed really well. But best of all was that they had the second highest amount of women exposing their boobs for the screens out of all bands at the festival, behind Limp Bizkit. :biggrin:
Yep, it's entitled "TH1RT3EN".
(https://www.megadeth.com/images/Megadeth2011.jpg)
I like his t-shirt. It's very ... Generic.
Megadeth have made it official: Their 13th studio album, TH1RT3EN, will be released on November 1, 2011. Says singer and guitarist Dave Mustaine, "This record is the culmination of my work over the 13 records I recorded. There are moments on TH1RT3EN that capture my every emotion, and other moments where I am releasing feelings I never knew existed! My proudest moments of my musical career are captured on TH1RT3EN.”
TH1RT3EN also marks the recorded return of bassist Dave Ellefson, who was part of the band's classic lineup from 1983 to 2002. In a move that delighted the band's legion of diehards, Ellefson returned to performing live with Megadeth in early 2010 and has remained a fixture on the stage ever since. This is the first time Ellefson has played on a Megadeth record since 2002's Rude Awakening.
The album's title has several layers of meaning, which leader and guitar deity Mustaine, who first picked up an axe at the age of 13, revealed in a recent chat with RollingStone.com, saying, "I was born on September 13th; this is my thirteenth record. It just seemed like it was the right thing to do to call it TH1RT3EN."
The band has spent the summer killing it on the main stage of the fourth annual Rockstar Energy Drink Mayhem Festival tour, and they'll cap that off by performing as part of "The Big 4" once again, this time in New York at Yankee Stadium alongside Metallica, Slayer and Anthrax. The only previous "Big 4" show in the U.S. took place in April in Southern California.
The band recorded an original track, "Never Dead," specifically for the NeverDead action-adventure video game franchise; that song will appear on TH1RT3EN, as will "Sudden Death," which the band recorded for Guitar Hero: Warriors Of Rock.
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Megadeth-Announce-Release-Date-For-TH1RT3EN-23232.aspxQuoteMegadeth have made it official: Their 13th studio album, TH1RT3EN, will be released on November 1, 2011. Says singer and guitarist Dave Mustaine, "This record is the culmination of my work over the 13 records I recorded. There are moments on TH1RT3EN that capture my every emotion, and other moments where I am releasing feelings I never knew existed! My proudest moments of my musical career are captured on TH1RT3EN.”
TH1RT3EN also marks the recorded return of bassist Dave Ellefson, who was part of the band's classic lineup from 1983 to 2002. In a move that delighted the band's legion of diehards, Ellefson returned to performing live with Megadeth in early 2010 and has remained a fixture on the stage ever since. This is the first time Ellefson has played on a Megadeth record since 2002's Rude Awakening.
The album's title has several layers of meaning, which leader and guitar deity Mustaine, who first picked up an axe at the age of 13, revealed in a recent chat with RollingStone.com, saying, "I was born on September 13th; this is my thirteenth record. It just seemed like it was the right thing to do to call it TH1RT3EN."
The band has spent the summer killing it on the main stage of the fourth annual Rockstar Energy Drink Mayhem Festival tour, and they'll cap that off by performing as part of "The Big 4" once again, this time in New York at Yankee Stadium alongside Metallica, Slayer and Anthrax. The only previous "Big 4" show in the U.S. took place in April in Southern California.
The band recorded an original track, "Never Dead," specifically for the NeverDead action-adventure video game franchise; that song will appear on TH1RT3EN, as will "Sudden Death," which the band recorded for Guitar Hero: Warriors Of Rock.
I didn't really like Endgame all that much, but UA was really awesome.
I kinda thought it couldn't get cheesier than UA coverart but I was wrong hehIt's more mature than the UA cover art, I thought that UA looked like a power metal/prog. metal band's type of art that wrote about politics instead.
Dave better be right about this album being "the best thing they've made since Rust In Peace". I mean come, Countdown and CW were pretty good imo. I hope Endgame is as good as he says!
He says that about every album.
Personally, I don't feel anything they've done has quite measured up to the three album run of Rust -> Countdown -> Youthanasia. Risk threw everyone for a loop because it was so different, but the quality was definitely high enough to put it close to those other three. But aside from those four, I don't feel anything else has quite reached the VERY high standards set by those albums. But that being said, the last two were definitely pretty good, and I have high hopes that the new one will be even better, for some reason.
I'd put Peace Sells far above Risk actually.
I agree. Set The World Afire, Liar, Hook In Mouth, and especially the great Mary Jane are all vastly underrated songs in the Megadeth catalog.Personally, I don't feel anything they've done has quite measured up to the three album run of Rust -> Countdown -> Youthanasia. Risk threw everyone for a loop because it was so different, but the quality was definitely high enough to put it close to those other three. But aside from those four, I don't feel anything else has quite reached the VERY high standards set by those albums. But that being said, the last two were definitely pretty good, and I have high hopes that the new one will be even better, for some reason.
I would definitely throw So Far, So Good... So What into the top tier albums. Even though Anarchy in the U.K really needs to go away, there are some of the very best Megadeth songs on there. (Maybe even the best song) I also agree about Risk being near the top. It's a great example of a band venturing outside of their typical sound and style and not being terrible at it.
As for the newer releases, they're strong enough, especially for a band so far into their lifetime. Nothing terribly exciting going on in the last one, but it was a solid record.I agree with what you've said in this thread, So Far... is awesome! :)
United Abominations was great, but to me it was a very top-heavy record. Nearly all of the better songs appeared early on. (Particularly, the first 4 are probably the strongest to me) And, of course, the remake of A Tout Le Monde was a very bad decision and a track that I've been generally trying to forget.
You bet it's awesome! Top tier, along with Peace Sells, RIP, and Countdown!As for the newer releases, they're strong enough, especially for a band so far into their lifetime. Nothing terribly exciting going on in the last one, but it was a solid record.I agree with what you've said in this thread, So Far... is awesome! :)
United Abominations was great, but to me it was a very top-heavy record. Nearly all of the better songs appeared early on. (Particularly, the first 4 are probably the strongest to me) And, of course, the remake of A Tout Le Monde was a very bad decision and a track that I've been generally trying to forget.
Most people would. That's fine. I personally REALLY like Risk, but I know that I'm in the minority on that one.
Youthanasia is miles better than Countdown in every possible way.This is very true.
Youthanasia is miles better than Countdown in every possible way.
Youthanasia is miles better than Countdown in every possible way.This is very true.
Youthanasia is miles better than Countdown in every possible way.
Drew, have I ever told you that you're hilarious?
Youthanasia is miles better than Countdown in every possible way.
Youthanasia is fantastic though.
Countdown, well, the highs are really high but the lows are just... ugh Psychotron and the title-track.
I liked it at first, but it hasn't aged well at all for me.Youthanasia is fantastic though.
Countdown, well, the highs are really high but the lows are just... ugh Psychotron and the title-track.
I can agree Psychotron isn't the most stellar track on the disc, but calling the title track a "low?" I disagree.
I can agree Psychotron isn't the most stellar track on the disc, but calling the title track a "low?" I disagree.
Youthanasia is miles better than Countdown in every possible way.
Drew, have I ever told you that you're hilarious?
I liked it at first, but it hasn't aged well at all for me.Youthanasia is fantastic though.
Countdown, well, the highs are really high but the lows are just... ugh Psychotron and the title-track.
I can agree Psychotron isn't the most stellar track on the disc, but calling the title track a "low?" I disagree.
Risk is really good. Not sure if I'd say it's awesome, but it gets way too much shit. Definitely a bunch of good songs on it.
I could never get into The World Needs a Hero though. It just felt like they were trying too hard to be heavy and thrashy again, but they just weren't there. I do like Disconnect though.
Risk is really good. Not sure if I'd say it's awesome, but it gets way too much shit. Definitely a bunch of good songs on it.
and I say that as someone who has Megadeth on 1000+ plays on Last.FM.
Risk is really good. Not sure if I'd say it's awesome, but it gets way too much shit. Definitely a bunch of good songs on it.
and I say that as someone who has Megadeth on 1000+ plays on Last.FM.
i have to disagree and say this doesn't mean anything.
quote: "Glen Drover: 'Th1rt3en Borrows Something From Every Era Of The Band'.....wtf!!! first of all, he sucks at drums...2:nd i´ve met him and he´s boring as hell (but though a nice guy...met Dave aswell...actually even worse!!)...3:rd...(don´t get me wrong here...i love Megadeth, probalby my 2:nd favourite band of all time) Megadeth atopped being Megadeth after R.I.P...after R.I.P it´s all about Mustaine trying be better then Metallica...the last album (endgame) was/are the best since Cryptic Writings..but it lacks of hunger and angry (wich Megadeth used to be all about)No, I'm LCArenas.
you´re opinions???
quote: "Glen Drover: 'Th1rt3en Borrows Something From Every Era Of The Band'.....wtf!!! first of all, he sucks at drums...2:nd i´ve met him and he´s boring as hell (but though a nice guy...met Dave aswell...actually even worse!!)...3:rd...(don´t get me wrong here...i love Megadeth, probalby my 2:nd favourite band of all time) Megadeth atopped being Megadeth after R.I.P...after R.I.P it´s all about Mustaine trying be better then Metallica...the last album (endgame) was/are the best since Cryptic Writings..but it lacks of hunger and angry (wich Megadeth used to be all about)No, I'm LCArenas.
you´re opinions???
I don't know, but I sure hope it's better than Endgame. Album has aged REALLY bad for me over this years.
Indeed. Check my username ;)quote: "Glen Drover: 'Th1rt3en Borrows Something From Every Era Of The Band'.....wtf!!! first of all, he sucks at drums...2:nd i´ve met him and he´s boring as hell (but though a nice guy...met Dave aswell...actually even worse!!)...3:rd...(don´t get me wrong here...i love Megadeth, probalby my 2:nd favourite band of all time) Megadeth atopped being Megadeth after R.I.P...after R.I.P it´s all about Mustaine trying be better then Metallica...the last album (endgame) was/are the best since Cryptic Writings..but it lacks of hunger and angry (wich Megadeth used to be all about)No, I'm LCArenas.
you´re opinions???
I don't know, but I sure hope it's better than Endgame. Album has aged REALLY bad for me over this years.
LCArenas??
That's his name, don't wear it out.:hat
quote: "Glen Drover: 'Th1rt3en Borrows Something From Every Era Of The Band'.....wtf!!! first of all, he sucks at drums...2:nd i´ve met him and he´s boring as hell (but though a nice guy...met Dave aswell...actually even worse!!)...3:rd...(don´t get me wrong here...i love Megadeth, probalby my 2:nd favourite band of all time) Megadeth atopped being Megadeth after R.I.P...after R.I.P it´s all about Mustaine trying be better then Metallica...the last album (endgame) was/are the best since Cryptic Writings..but it lacks of hunger and angry (wich Megadeth used to be all about)
you´re opinions???
Studio version of Public Enemy No. 1.Liking what I'm hearing. Sounds like CtE/TSHF :metal :biggrin:
https://www.megadeth.com/ (https://www.megadeth.com/)
So, the new album has Black Swan (from UA special edition), Sudden Death (from Guitar Hero 6), Millennium of the Blind (from Youthanasia remaster), and New World Order (also from Youthanasia remaster).If you look into it more, Black Swan and New World Order are completely re recorded and he said they sound completely different from the originals, and Millennium of the Blind has a lot added so it's practically a new song.
How can bands get away with that in this day and age?
Anyways, its still 9 new songs. Thats usually the standard number of new songs on a lot of metal records today anyways.
I don't skip songs on albums. Ever. Can't think of a single instance I've done that in the last 6 years.
Studio version of Public Enemy No. 1.
https://www.megadeth.com/ (https://www.megadeth.com/)
Just gave RIP a listen. Easily the best Megadeth album.
Now, I'm listening to Peace Sells.
and again the front cover is a person with their back turned presumably walking away with an ugly border
Fuck you all, Megadeths Almost Honest is an amazing song ;D
Fuck you all, Megadeths Almost Honest is an amazing song ;D
Megadeth owns.
but then it turns into a song that I'm pretty sure existed numerous times along the last couple albums.
Did they just brickwall it ? ::)Nope. Instrumentally, it sounds like a dream. The problem is, Mustaine lost the original vocal tracks to a lot of the songs, so he had to redo them, and they sound awful compared to the original versions (the gang vocals in particular are just atrocious).
Just gave RIP a listen. Easily the best Megadeth album.
Now, I'm listening to Peace Sells.
Bull shit with cheese, the re-recorded vocals on 5 Magics are much better than the original.Holy lolno. The "possessed with hellish torment" section actually felt menacing and evil on the original. The remaster sounds like Mustaine just being slightly more nasal.
Wow!Maybe...I remember having some huge disagreement with you about Megadeth.
Wait.. did we talk about this before?
Just gave RIP a listen. Easily the best Megadeth album.
Now, I'm listening to Peace Sells.
Rust in Peace was my first Megadeth album and believe it or not I bought be because I thought the cover looked cool. I was totally taking a chance, because I had not heard one note of Megadeth up to that point.
The album blew my fucking mind :eek :hefdaddy :eek - from there I worked my way backwards through their catalog, and to this day, while owning everything they've ever released, I don't think they've ever made a record as solid a Rust In Peace
Some really fun tracks in there to cover too. I was in a band for a while that did nothing but Metallica and Megadeth covers (on bass guitar) and some of those tracks are pretty challenging.
I got the Rude Awakening album as my first Megadeth experience because I wanted to hear The Mechanix (being a huge Metallica fan at the time, it made me very curious). I thought the song sucked, because that live version is really atrocious, but I ended up listening to a bit of the first disc and it was fucking sick. Dread and the Fugitive Mind, Kill the King, Wake Up Dead, and I was hooked.
I then bought Rust in Peace because everybody talked about it, and I didn't care for it much until one day it just clicked. I never listened to Metallica again.
You can't listen to both bands? That's weird.I can. I chose not to.
I'm trying to remember--when you and Russell Allen first got together and decided to form a band, didn't you guys meet at a Metallica concert? I thought I remembered reading that somewhere.Russell Allen didn't join me until we released that shit album with Rod Taylor or some shit. Learn your history, noob.
You can't listen to both bands? That's weird.I can. I chose not to.I'm trying to remember--when you and Russell Allen first got together and decided to form a band, didn't you guys meet at a Metallica concert? I thought I remembered reading that somewhere.Russell Allen didn't join me until we released that shit album with Rod Taylor or some shit. Learn your history, noob.
Bosk thinks I look like him, so I guess that means I am. :p
You can't listen to both bands? That's weird.
I got the Rude Awakening album as my first Megadeth experience because I wanted to hear The Mechanix (being a huge Metallica fan at the time, it made me very curious). I thought the song sucked, because that live version is really atrocious, but I ended up listening to a bit of the first disc and it was fucking sick. Dread and the Fugitive Mind, Kill the King, Wake Up Dead, and I was hooked.
Well, you used to anyway. I saw a fairly recent pic of you in the post-your-pic thread, and was kind of disappointed that apparently, since hitting puberty earlier this year, you aren't looking like him so much anymore.Tee-hee.
Contrary to popular belief, the reason I'm a Megadeth elitist is because I think Megadeth makes better music, not because Metallica sucks.
Contrary to popular belief, the reason I'm a Megadeth elitist is because I think Megadeth makes better music, not because Metallica sucks.
So......Who's interested in this years Gigantour.Probably. :\
Since they're touring with Lacuna Coil, will they play A Tout Le Monde w/ Christina Scabbia.
Just gave RIP a listen. Easily the best Megadeth album.
Now, I'm listening to Peace Sells.
Rust in Peace was my first Megadeth album and believe it or not I bought be because I thought the cover looked cool. I was totally taking a chance, because I had not heard one note of Megadeth up to that point.
The album blew my fucking mind :eek :hefdaddy :eek - from there I worked my way backwards through their catalog, and to this day, while owning everything they've ever released, I don't think they've ever made a record as solid a Rust In Peace
Some really fun tracks in there to cover too. I was in a band for a while that did nothing but Metallica and Megadeth covers (on bass guitar) and some of those tracks are pretty challenging.
Interesting. The first time I heard that album, it turned me off. It was hard for me to get past the overall sound and enjoy just how good the songs were at the time. Kind of reminds me of Mindcrime, which sort of had similar production values in that it deliberately had a very cold, harsh production quality that I found very offputting at first. The much warmer sound on Countdown is what really pulled me in, hooked me, and made me a fan. Then Youthanasia came out, and I realized this was a band that had some serious good things to offer, and I went back and really got into RIP at that time. To me, RIP-Youthanasia (and included the Hidden Treasures EP) was the golden age for their sound. Other than a few songs here and there, I don't like the earlier albums. With Cryptic Writings, I felt like they went too far in making a slick, polished, friendly-for-the-masses album, although there are definitely some strong tracks. Risk was a glorious experiment and comes in for me at #4 behind the "big 3" albums mentioned above. After that, it's sort of hit-and-miss, where on any given albums, I like some songs and skip others.
The System Has Failed is still my favorite post-break up album.
The original version of A Tout Le Monde is awesome. The new version is not.Endgame was pretty boring honestly, Headcrusher and two other songs were good while the rest of the album was meh and passable.
And Endgame is the best reunion album, silly.
The original version of A Tout Le Monde is awesome. The new version is not.
And Endgame is the best reunion album, silly.
Well, you used to anyway. I saw a fairly recent pic of you in the post-your-pic thread, and was kind of disappointed that apparently, since hitting puberty earlier this year, you aren't looking like him so much anymore.Contrary to popular belief, the reason I'm a Megadeth elitist is because I think Megadeth makes better music, not because Metallica sucks.
Papa Het's current live voiceFIFM
Neutral Milk Hotel
Dave Mustaine's current live voice.
A Screaming Toddler
Sorry, what does FIFM mean ?Fixed It For Me :)
Ah ok. I thought it might mean that.Fuck'a you! I like Vampire Weekend!
However... never having Heard Neutral Milk Hotel, I chose Vampire Weekend, who are hands-down the
single WORST band i've ever heard in my life.
Whose Life (Is it Anyway?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEutWoaZgOk&feature (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEutWoaZgOk&feature)
^ unbelievable intro!!!!
Won't be able to listen to it until after class, but I'm excited as fuck. :metal
Edit: Just did a quick "click-through" to make sure it was legit. The riff at the beginning of Deadly Nightshade is all sorts of heavy.
Basically, it's another Megadeth album.
I'd enjoy Fast Lane and Wrecker a bit more if the lyrics weren't so awful. 13 is easily the best track on the album though.
They played on Jimmy Kimmel Live last night...in awesome costumes too. Pretty funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u07HAjurtWo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u07HAjurtWo)
presale tickets onsale this morning for Gigantour. I was able to get 2 using the password gigantour. tix are $50.Password for January 28, Madison Square Garden, NYC is "cowbell".
They've posted a video for Public Enemy No. 1 :metal
https://www.megadeth.com/home.php
So I went to pick this up today at the local shop I like to buy this sort of thing from (I hate the big stores like BB and Walmart unless I have no other choice), and they were sold out. Whoa...
I find most of the lyrics on this album are pretty angsty and like...immature for a 50 year old. Good album, but yeah.
Side note: Millenium Of The Blind - I love the re-work. Dave brought out some qualities in an already great demo. Fucking haunting song. I love all the water references.
I'm guessing you're talking about the United Abominations version?
I say it's alright, but I prefer the Youthanasia version.
I'm guessing you're talking about the United Abominations version?
I say it's alright, but I prefer the Youthanasia version.
Yep. That one. I'm just used to it as the Greatest Hits version because that is where I originally heard it. I think I prefer the Youthanasia one as well. I'm just saying the United Abominations was very interesting and different.
Or like, The Conuring. That song would blow minds with modern day recording.
Yeah, I know it's a video and it's probably a Megadeth video. I asked you to be more descriptive. Any reason to be rude and sarcastic about it?
Yeah, I know it's a video and it's probably a Megadeth video. I asked you to be more descriptive. Any reason to be rude and sarcastic about it?
U mad? Lighten up.
Um, right, so anyway......I went through my Megadeth collection here over the last few days and I have come to the conclusion that Megadeth definitely hit their creative peak with "Rust In Peace"Agreed completely. Endgame comes damn close though.
Nothing else they've done is so consistently solid from start to finish.
Some of the subsequent material is pretty good. I love a lot of the stuff on "Countdown to Extinction" for example, but anyone else with me here?
Excuse me? I'm telling you how you can and cannot post. It was to be considered a friendly reminder. But since you apparently don't care to take instruction and want to turn this into a pissing contest, I'm fine with that too. So consider this a warning. Keep arguing with me, and we can take it further.
You're just a nobody IRL.
Mustaine is on stage with Metallica right now.Ron McGovney even came back.
Mustaine playing Hangar 18 on Guitar Hero:Awesome :laugh: Mustaine :hearts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj9785W53lQ
My friend wanted to test out his camera / recording equipment and said he wanted to record me.
So, I chose Holy Wars! (just the beginning part of the song). It was really nonchalant and done in one take. I hope you enjoy! Thrash :metal
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150438951910880
I believe the link should work even though I'm not Facebook friends with a lot of you.
Dave Mustaine TV Appearance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot2AaebOa0s&feature=share) funny one :laugh:
:laugh:Dave Mustaine TV Appearance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot2AaebOa0s&feature=share) funny one :laugh:
:lol Did you see the Slash and Joey Romone ones too?
Mustaine playing Hangar 18 on Guitar Hero:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj9785W53lQ
Listened to Rust in Piece for the first time in a quite a while yesterday. Quite simply, one of the greatest metal albums ever recorded.
Then I watched a portion of Sonisphere 2011 that was on the Palladium channel, and Dave's vocals are downright cringe-worthy these days.
that is right too... but seriously I love his singing!
that is right too... but seriously I love his singing!
I do too. But while I love it, I also acknowledge that it is not "good" singing by any stretch. I mean, what's not to love about a singing style that sounds like Steve Erkl meets Cousin It meets James Hetfield meets Muttley with anger management issues? Such an unlikely yet likeable style.
Pure genius.
Is it just me or is Youthanasia a good damn album?
Is it just me or is Youthanasia a good damn album?
It is not just you.
Youthanasia features Dave's best vocals.
and Black Curtains.... is...
Youthanasia features Dave's best vocals.It does. Definitely top-5 Megadeth album for me.
I'm pretty sure I've said that 3 or 4 times in this thread already. But since we're on the subject, it's worth repeating.
and Black Curtains.... is...
Yup. My favorite on the album. Aside from me, you are the only other person I have seen go out of their way to praise that song. Cookie for you! :cookie:
After listening to a couple of Megadeth songs the other night drinking some beers, I sort of got back into them. I listened to Endgame (2009) and whoa, that album is a thrash metal roller coaster ride. I'd put that album just under Rust in Peace, and Peace Sells.
Speaking of the latter, I listened to that as well, and some of the riffs just groove on that one; I forgot how much I used to like this band.
Oh Nem, awesome :metal.
Oh Nem, awesome :metal.
oh .. finally someone .. thanks hun :metal
I'm used to being ignored by many :laugh:
I'm used to being ignored by many :laugh:
I'll be there for you.
I'm used to being ignored by many :laugh:
I'll be there for you.
d'aww :hug:
I'm used to being ignored by many :laugh:
I'll be there for you.
d'aww :hug:
:hug:
I'm used to being ignored by many :laugh:
I'll be there for you.
d'aww :hug:
:hug:
:hug:
After listening to a couple of Megadeth songs the other night drinking some beers, I sort of got back into them. I listened to Endgame (2009) and whoa, that album is a thrash metal roller coaster ride. I'd put that album just under Rust in Peace, and Peace Sells.Endgame is outstanding. My #3 Megadeth album.
Speaking of the latter, I listened to that as well, and some of the riffs just groove on that one; I forgot how much I used to like this band.Gv
After listening to a couple of Megadeth songs the other night drinking some beers, I sort of got back into them. I listened to Endgame (2009) and whoa, that album is a thrash metal roller coaster ride. I'd put that album just under Rust in Peace, and Peace Sells.Endgame is outstanding. My #3 Megadeth album.
Speaking of the latter, I listened to that as well, and some of the riffs just groove on that one; I forgot how much I used to like this band.Gv
Dave Mustaine tells us Obama staged the Wisconsin shooting to implement gun bans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyDmoCDgqBk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
(https://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu51/senemn/dave.jpg)
(https://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu51/senemn/dave.jpg)
That explains his anti-American lyrics.
KIMB
Of course, I listened to the remaster a few days later, and it's stunning how much better the album is with cleaner production.
...it's even more impressive that Mustaine was able to write a song like that so early in his career.
Because it's miles beyond anything he ever wrote up to that point. Even the stuff he wrote with Metallica was still relatively pedestrian in comparison. It never changed moods or did much to develop an interesting atmosphere....it's even more impressive that Mustaine was able to write a song like that so early in his career.
??? Why do you feel that way? A lot of the stuff he helped write for/with Metallica before leaving was AMAZING.
Droogies,
I wanted to check in with you as I get ready to start tracking my 14 Megadeth record.
/...blah, blah... Going on about surgery and other stuff... Very long post.
One last thing, I don't generally watch video of myself, unless we are mixing or editing something, and over the last few months I had to; for one reason or another. I am really embarrassed by how much I swear or swore on stage and in interviews. I'm not a prude, but I am sorry for my language and some of the offensive words I chose to say. We all have said stuff we regret, and while I don't "regret it" I do feel that you deserve better from me.
Here's to a great fu...., erm, a great flipping new record and tour!
Dave Mustaine
... What the fuck did Dave smoke to come up with such a title.Nah, I think it's a fine title. Better that 13 with inverted letters and numbers.
su·per·col·lid·er [soo-per-kuh-lahy-der]
noun Physics.
a very large colliding-beam machine in which superconducting magnets create millions of megavolts of energy.
Nah, I think it's a fine title. Better that 13 with inverted letters and numbers.
... What the fuck did Dave smoke to come up with such a title.Nah, I think it's a fine title. Better that 13 with inverted letters and numbers.
Hey, he could still change his mind and go with 'Super Coll1d4r'.
I lost interest with Megadeth since the last two disappointing albums.
I lost interest with Megadeth since the last two disappointing albums.
I can understand that sentiment with Thirteen, but why do you consider Endgame to be disappointing?
Endgame is fucking amazing. Best Megadeth album since Rust in Peace, easily.
Endgame is fucking amazing. Best Megadeth album since Rust in Peace, easily.I agree 100%.
Endgame is fucking amazing. Best Megadeth album since Rust in Peace, easily.I agree 100%.
Endgame is the best Megadeth album since Risk.
Yes, I like Risk. From on I'll Be There, it's perfect.
My top 5 albums from Megadeth:
1.Youthanasia
2.Cryptic Writings
3.Risk
4.Endgame
5.Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?
Endgame is the best Megadeth album since Risk.
Yes, I like Risk. From on I'll Be There, it's perfect.
My top 5 albums from Megadeth:
1.Youthanasia
2.Cryptic Writings
3.Risk
4.Endgame
5.Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?
Wow. I thought I was the only one on the planet who would put Risk in the top 5. :tup
Endgame is the best Megadeth album since Risk.
Yes, I like Risk. From on I'll Be There, it's perfect.
My top 5 albums from Megadeth:
1.Youthanasia
2.Cryptic Writings
3.Risk
4.Endgame
5.Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?
Wow. I thought I was the only one on the planet who would put Risk in the top 5. :tup
Trust me, you are! Ruba is just doing some Admin ass kissing!
;D
PS, I want Dave to get a new lineup. He can keep Ellefson, but the guitar work on the last few albums is plain boring. Nobody can fill Marty Friedman's shoes anyway, so he should at least entertain us with a fresh lineup on every album.
PS, I want Dave to get a new lineup. He can keep Ellefson, but the guitar work on the last few albums is plain boring. Nobody can fill Marty Friedman's shoes anyway, so he should at least entertain us with a fresh lineup on every album.
I agree. Chris is technically brilliant, but I just find his lead playing boring, uninspirational and without personality.
Did I really just see 2 lists that didn't have Rust in Piece as a Top 5 Megadeth album? I'm speechless.agreed. RIP is easily in my top 5 albums of all time.
Did I really just see 2 lists that didn't have Rust in Piece as a Top 5 Megadeth album? I'm speechless.
And Mustaine is a great singer?Never said that, but I'd rather have one subpar singer on an album than two. :P Besides, Mustaine's vocals suit Megadeth well. Hell, for what it's worth, Disturbed's vocals fit their overall shittiness quite well. The problem is I don't see Disturbed vocals fitting very well with Megadeth at all.
I know, kinda senseless post, but I just wanted to say that Cryptic Writings is an awesome album. I love every song except for Sin, and maybe even that one will grow on me even more.
CW is now #2 on my Megadeth list behind RIP :metal
And Mustaine is a great singer?Never said that, but I'd rather have one subpar singer on an album than two. :P Besides, Mustaine's vocals suit Megadeth well. Hell, for what it's worth, Disturbed's vocals fit their overall shittiness quite well. The problem is I don't see Disturbed vocals fitting very well with Megadeth at all.
I like Disturbed and Draiman, great singer, should be good.this
(They're basically the AC/DC of nu-metal if you ask me)Good comparison.
Well this is pretty cool.
https://megadethgame.com/ (https://megadethgame.com/)
Gonna do a survivor, possibly Sabbath or Megadeth, please go and vote.Go Megadeth !!
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36576.0
Well this is pretty cool.
https://megadethgame.com/ (https://megadethgame.com/)
Megadeth survivor starting tonight, get ready.
Megadeth survivor starting tonight, get ready.Great decision :tup
I just searched for it on Youtube, but apparently the video has been deleted :-\I got it through a Mediafire link. I think someone also posted it on Soundcloud.
I just searched for it on Youtube, but apparently the video has been deleted :-\I got it through a Mediafire link. I think someone also posted it on Soundcloud.
Yeah, I'm reading the comments all day and it's actually surprising that people are so negative about it. I thought it's really good, very melodic. The chorus has a Cryptic writings vibe, which can't be bad. ;D
certainly fits Cryptic Writings/Risk and that's fine by me. I like the guitars.this... pretty much...
But, he's quick to stress, not too many. "I'd be lying," he admits with a slight laugh, "if I said I would dig having a whole set of songs like that."There's hope
:chill
Sounds more like MEGALIFE than MEGADETH!
I just Super Collided my head against the wall after this.;D
I think "Super Collider" probably is gonna be one of our best records. And there's only been one other time in my career I felt like every single thing was in its place and that was "Countdown To Extinction". Because, you know, whenever you do a record, you always… you know where the squeak is and, you know, I remember listening to digital version of a LED ZEPPELIN live song — I think it was "The Lemon Song" or something — and you could hear the pedal, the kick pedal squeaking. So, you know, there's always gonna be something you can hear, and with "Countdown", you know, it was perfect. Every single thing was perfect. And this is the first record I've done since then why I'm absolutely 100 percent confident and satisfied with everything on the record.
I think "Super Collider" probably is gonna be one of our best records. And there's only been one other time in my career I felt like every single thing was in its place and that was "Countdown To Extinction".
Dave is doing it again ::):Quote from: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=189120I think "Super Collider" probably is gonna be one of our best records. And there's only been one other time in my career I felt like every single thing was in its place and that was "Countdown To Extinction". Because, you know, whenever you do a record, you always… you know where the squeak is and, you know, I remember listening to digital version of a LED ZEPPELIN live song — I think it was "The Lemon Song" or something — and you could hear the pedal, the kick pedal squeaking. So, you know, there's always gonna be something you can hear, and with "Countdown", you know, it was perfect. Every single thing was perfect. And this is the first record I've done since then why I'm absolutely 100 percent confident and satisfied with everything on the record.
Does he even notice he has been saying that about pretty much every album?
Anybody knows if Five Magics remained in the set lists after the RIP anniversary tour?
. Funny that I immediately felt like Dave was singing "In the Light" from Led Zeppelin in the verses :lol:lol
I can only hope that this is one of the weaker songs..this song did absolutely nothing for meI'm with you, man.
Kingmaker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgYOaUZ29ws
Better than I expected!
I don't think I'd call it a "rip off" of Children of the Grave" but there are definitely similarities. I doubt it was intentional.
I don't think I'd call it a "rip off" of Children of the Grave" but there are definitely similarities. I doubt it was intentional.
Pretty hard to miss. It's not just one line, it's every line of the verse, simply identical. Intentional or not, someone must have picked up on that.
I am only talking about the vocal melody. Everything else is totally different but the melody for the entire verse is exactly the same.
album samples: https://www.amazon.de/gp/recsradio/radio/B00BEXB18M (https://www.amazon.de/gp/recsradio/radio/B00BEXB18M)
Just listened to the new album. It sounds like B-sides from Thirteen. Not digging it. :tdwn
Same here :\Just listened to the new album. It sounds like B-sides from Thirteen. Not digging it. :tdwn
This doesn't sound good. I didn't even like 13.
Endgame, on the other hand, didn't impress me from the start, although it turned out to be pretty good after a while. Everything's possible with this one...
I kinda thought Megadeth should have stopped after The System Has Failed. There was an energy that Megadeth had I thought ended around that point. UA was a huge disappointment for me and 13 didn't impress me. This new one Super Collider is worse in my mind. Sure, it sounds like Youthanasia in that is more melodic than speed metal like The System Has Failed, however Youthanasia has a very vibrant energy to it this album doesn't come close to mimicking. I'm sure this album can grow, but I do find about as boring as the past few albums were.
I kinda thought Megadeth should have stopped after The System Has Failed. There was an energy that Megadeth had I thought ended around that point. UA was a huge disappointment for me and 13 didn't impress me. This new one Super Collider is worse in my mind. Sure, it sounds like Youthanasia in that is more melodic than speed metal like The System Has Failed, however Youthanasia has a very vibrant energy to it this album doesn't come close to mimicking. I'm sure this album can grow, but I do find about as boring as the past few albums were.
I fail to see a mention of 'Endgame' here. If you haven't listened to it, then I highly suggest you do. It might just change your stance.
I kinda thought Megadeth should have stopped after The System Has Failed. There was an energy that Megadeth had I thought ended around that point. UA was a huge disappointment for me and 13 didn't impress me. This new one Super Collider is worse in my mind. Sure, it sounds like Youthanasia in that is more melodic than speed metal like The System Has Failed, however Youthanasia has a very vibrant energy to it this album doesn't come close to mimicking. I'm sure this album can grow, but I do find about as boring as the past few albums were.
I fail to see a mention of 'Endgame' here. If you haven't listened to it, then I highly suggest you do. It might just change your stance.
Agreed. Endgame is a top 3 deth album for me, you're really missing out big time if you haven't heard it.
I kinda thought Megadeth should have stopped after The System Has Failed. There was an energy that Megadeth had I thought ended around that point. UA was a huge disappointment for me and 13 didn't impress me. This new one Super Collider is worse in my mind. Sure, it sounds like Youthanasia in that is more melodic than speed metal like The System Has Failed, however Youthanasia has a very vibrant energy to it this album doesn't come close to mimicking. I'm sure this album can grow, but I do find about as boring as the past few albums were.
I fail to see a mention of 'Endgame' here. If you haven't listened to it, then I highly suggest you do. It might just change your stance.
Agreed. Endgame is a top 3 deth album for me, you're really missing out big time if you haven't heard it.
I need to get around to Super Collider, but there's just so much right now I need to listen to first. How does it compare to 13?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZhqZAVGTqw
(https://evilengineering.com/gallery/d/38658-2/mother-of-god-super-troopers.jpg)
Oh dear god. Has Dave seriously jumped the shark this time? I love Megadeth with everything I am, and would defend their entire catalog to the death, but this is just horrendous.
Band that is continually being gently pushed into arena rock territory writing a song designed to be a sports anthem. In that light, it succeeds decently. My problem with Super Collider is that it's completely out of left field. Endgame was their most successful album in years, so why Dave has decided to completely regress their sound is just baffling.Oh dear god. Has Dave seriously jumped the shark this time? I love Megadeth with everything I am, and would defend their entire catalog to the death, but this is just horrendous.
Crush 'Em. Go!
The most confusing part of the video for me, well, 2 parts actually:
1) What exactly did Dave hate about his daughter hanging out with the boy and
2) Why did he throw her in the back of the station wagon like the family dog?
:lol
I did like Ellefson as the teacher and Drover as the janitor though.
I've always thought Deth videos are pretty good.
I've given up on Deth setlists having any kind of variety anymore. It's disheartening. Every once in a while they'll bust out something interesting like Ashes or Set the World Afire, but at least 60% of the setlist are songs we've seen a billion times.
What will they do next? youthanasia live?
What will they do next? youthanasia live?
Very unlikely. They have played maybe six or seven songs from it live. And the title track and Victory only a handful of times.
I'm hoping they play all of Risk at some point.I know you like that album, so I'll play nice.....
What will they do next? youthanasia live?
Very unlikely. They have played maybe six or seven songs from it live. And the title track and Victory only a handful of times.
I was being sarcastic. I just found it cheesy that they did CtE live. RiP, I get. It's a landmark album. I just find that doing CtE is a double dip.
What will they do next? youthanasia live?
Very unlikely. They have played maybe six or seven songs from it live. And the title track and Victory only a handful of times.
I was being sarcastic. I just found it cheesy that they did CtE live. RiP, I get. It's a landmark album. I just find that doing CtE is a double dip.
I'm the only person on earth that doesn't like Dave's guitar playing. I think his tone sucks, and I don't like his riffs or solos.
I'm the only person on earth that doesn't like Dave's guitar playing. I think his tone sucks, and I don't like his riffs or solos.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j95kNwZw8YY
Megadeth's new Christmas album!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO3AbBBtHwY&feature=share
I'm the only person on earth that doesn't like Dave's guitar playing. I think his tone sucks, and I don't like his riffs or solos.
I honestly didn't find that funny at all.
I
I'm not too familiar with Megadeth.
Super Collider just doesn't feel like they put enough work into it.
Well, i will add that in Super Collider there is a definite Helloween influence with the melodies....... just kidding!
Okay, I should elaborate I guess. I am familiar with Megadeth. I just haven't heard each album a dozen times, but I am familiar with some of their older stuff, the most popular of their older stuff, and have heard an am a fan of The System Has Failed.
I take back what i said about it sounding like they didn't put enough work or effort into it. That was too strong a comment and i was trying to sound bold. What I do want to say is that I feel Super Collider tried to do something different with Megadeth's music, and that's great, but it really does not come off as sounding like anything new for them. At that can be fine too, but IMHO Super Collider just also happens to sound dry and stale. It's not hard rock like i'v heard many say (maybe compared to past Megadeth it is!), but it's also not super thrashy. It's just in-between and never really takes off.
Portnoy should totally join.
Make it Portnoy and Friedman and I'm sold :D
https://chrisbroderick.com/blog/2014/11/25/i-am-leaving-megadeth/ (https://chrisbroderick.com/blog/2014/11/25/i-am-leaving-megadeth/)
I didn't mind Shawn Drover departing, to be honest. But this?!? I don't know but creative differences sounds like Dave Mustaine not wanting to compromise. Hopefully he can find some worthy replacements and keep Megadeth going because I would hate to see one of my all time favorite thrash metal bands go out like this.
https://chrisbroderick.com/blog/2014/11/25/i-am-leaving-megadeth/ (https://chrisbroderick.com/blog/2014/11/25/i-am-leaving-megadeth/)
I didn't mind Shawn Drover departing, to be honest. But this?!? I don't know but creative differences sounds like Dave Mustaine not wanting to compromise. Hopefully he can find some worthy replacements and keep Megadeth going because I would hate to see one of my all time favorite thrash metal bands go out like this.
This is great news. I could never stand Broderick. He was amazing in Jag Panzer, but just was never a good fit for Megadeth.
Portnoy should totally join.
Didn't even think about that. Man, that would be awesome.
https://chrisbroderick.com/blog/2014/11/25/i-am-leaving-megadeth/ (https://chrisbroderick.com/blog/2014/11/25/i-am-leaving-megadeth/)
I didn't mind Shawn Drover departing, to be honest. But this?!? I don't know but creative differences sounds like Dave Mustaine not wanting to compromise. Hopefully he can find some worthy replacements and keep Megadeth going because I would hate to see one of my all time favorite thrash metal bands go out like this.
So Mustaine lost half of his band AGAIN.
After the fantastic Endgame, the last two albums have been sub par.
All makes sense now ;)
https://overthetopmetalnews.wordpress.com/2014/11/26/dave-mustaine-and-dave-ellefson-recruit-peter-criss-and-ace-frehley-to-form-kiss-of-deth/
I never understood the love for Endgame. I mean, maybe if you're a real major Thrash fan, I guess I get it, it was all balls and chunk full speed ahead, but I'm not really a fan of that. I have never heard a Slayer song that I even like. I'm much more partial to Megadeth's more melody driven slassic Heavy Metal sound on albums like Cryptic Writings and Countdown to Extinction. I used to think that maybe I just don't get what Megadeth is "about" because I haven't heard much of their catalog. But once I started to explore it, I found that none of their original few albums were too overburdened with being overly heavy or thrashy, they've all had a bit of that melodic edge to them. The energy and thrash appeal came in the form of very visceral riffs, and distortion that sounded like the engine of a speeding car, which is what I love about Megadeth in general. But most of their albums have had a lot of variety in sound, and the different songs were very memorable. I feel like Endgame was all very similar in sound throughout, apart from maybe 3 or 4 songs. I could never get into it.
Endgame IMO is one of Megadeth's weakest. It does absolutely nothing for me.
SC IMO was pretty good.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/dave-lombardo-reportedly-open-to-replacing-shawn-drover-in-megadeth/
Dave Lombardo wants in.
Endgame IMO is one of Megadeth's weakest. It does absolutely nothing for me.SC IMO was pretty good.
Bosk, Wolfking's account has been hacked!
lol. Everyone knows my opinions on albums are a bit off. Endgame just did nothing for me, and I tried many times. Maybe I will try again.
lol. Everyone knows my opinions on albums are a bit off. Endgame just did nothing for me, and I tried many times. Maybe I will try again.
By a bit off, you mean the most right in this case? :tup
That's ok with me. Pitrelli was really the last guitarist I enjoyed seeing in Megadeth.
That's ok with me. Pitrelli was really the last guitarist I enjoyed seeing in Megadeth.
Big Glen fan here, but Pitrelli is indeed amazing. Rude Awakening is still my fav Deth DVD.
Broderick was just a little step under Friedman for me. Dude was insanely good and criminally under-utilized after Endgame.
Mike Portnoy posted on FB that he's starting his work on a new ''secret project'' on Monday. Megadeth?Portnoy should totally join.
Didn't even think about that. Man, that would be awesome.
That...actually would. I am not sure Mustaine and Portnoy could co-exist in a band, but then again, maybe having a strong personality in the driver's seat is just what Mike needs. Musically, and from a standpoint of the size and fame of the band, I think this would actually be an ideal gig for Mike. While the prog side would definitely be lacking, there is some challenging metal drumming in Megadeth's music, and I think Mike would have fun with it. And he could still get his prog fix with TA and Neal. Even though nothing has been said about any sort of connection, it would be awesome if this worked out.
Mike Portnoy posted on FB that he's starting his work on a new ''secret project'' on Monday. Megadeth?
I haven't really been "into Megadeth" in a long time...but I'm with XBOBX on that last point. I think RIP is sorely OVERRATED and I thought TWNAH was a great return to form.
To tell you the truth, all the singles I've heard since then have just sounded so "Megadeth by the numbers" that I haven't really bothered to listen to the albums. Add that to the fact that I'm just not that into thrash any more...and I hate Dave Mustaine... I guess I just don't bother with Megadeth any more.
Well...I say I'm not into thrash, but at the same time the last two Testament albums and the newest one from Forbidden would almost have me eating those words. So maybe it just takes the right album.
SFSGSW is still my favorite Megadeth album (the original...not that god-awful remix). And I love Killing is My Business as well. RIP was good, but not as good as its predecessor to my ears, and then Countdown to Extinction was just terrible. Youthanasia was a bit better, but still not great. However I really thought Cryptic Writings was a surprisingly good album. Risk was an absolute abomination. TWNAH was a really great comeback. But honestly, I haven't cared enough about any of it to keep coming back. So I just gave up.
TWNAH is the last great Megadeth album, real talk.
TWNAH is the last great Megadeth album, real talk.
No, just no.
UA has a few standouts (the opening track, Sleepwalker, is my favorite Megadeth song, and there are at least three other great tracks), and Endgame is amazing.
I will acknowledge that the remainer of their post-TWNAH material is not that great. Thirteen was ok, I have not yet listened to Super Collider, and I dislike the production of The System Has Failed to such an extent that I have yet to get past the second song. :biggrin:
I could make a hundred posts with all my unpopular opinions on this band, but I'd just like to add that I've never liked Rust in Peace, and have always LOVED TWNAH.
That's it, I've heard everything now. :lol
TSHF is top 3 Deth IMO.
Well clearly MP isn't on vacation anymore since he's getting to work on a project next week for 2015. Megadeth fits that bill just fine. He could rehearse with the band and stuff while legal things are still being sorted out, it'll just be awhile before they can officially reveal him as the drummer, that's why nothing has been said yet (and that goes for any drummer they end up with).
Endgame IMO is one of Megadeth's weakest. It does absolutely nothing for me.SC IMO was pretty good.
Bosk, Wolfking's account has been hacked!
lol. Everyone knows my opinions on albums are a bit off. Endgame just did nothing for me, and I tried many times. Maybe I will try again.
Hey, don't look at me. I am of the opinion that Risk is a great album and is in the top 4 Megadeth albums ever, so... :dunno:
Hey, don't look at me. I am of the opinion that Risk is a great album and is in the top 4 Megadeth albums ever, so... :dunno:
Risk is pretty awesome. Although I have to say, the Remixed/Remastered Edition is where it's at for taht album. It really gave it a much needed boost in that oomph.
He has made a very public commitment to TWD. I would be surprised if he accepted anything that would interfere with that
commitment.
I actually haven't heard that edition. I meant to pick it up, but have never gotten around to it. But despite a few things that don't work, there are some REALLY solid songs on that album. Time the Beginning/End (if you consider them one song) is one of my all-time favorite Megadeth pieces.
Dave Mustaine is a bad human being. His political beliefs are poisonous.(https://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o669/bolsters/Troll-300x291.png~original)
Pretty much this. There are strong signs of the RIP lineup getting back together so my money is on that right now, but if not I think MP is a good bet.He has made a very public commitment to TWD. I would be surprised if he accepted anything that would interfere with that
commitment.
Very true. But, hypothetically, I think there are a couple of factors:
1. Megadeth is comparatively huge relative to other opportunities Mike currently has available, so making an "adjustment" to his present commitments if this opportunity presented itself might not be out of the question.
2. I think that neither project is so active that adjustments in the schedule could not be made to accommodate. I think he could probably work it out. In a way, Megadeth would be ideal from that standpoint. They are big enough that it would be a great gig to earn some more serious cash and get him out on bigger stages, but they aren't HUGE anymore and are a bit less busy so that he could still do other things, time (and Mustaine) permitting.
I dunno. I still think it is more likely than not that he will NOT be the next Megadeth drummer. But so far, none of the reasons I have seen should be considered insurmountable hurdles.
There are strong signs of the RIP lineup getting back together so my money is on that right now
There are strong signs of the RIP lineup getting back together so my money is on that right now
Signs where? where signs?
Pretty much this. There are strong signs of the RIP lineup getting back together so my money is on that right now, but if not I think MP is a good bet.He has made a very public commitment to TWD. I would be surprised if he accepted anything that would interfere with that
commitment.
Very true. But, hypothetically, I think there are a couple of factors:
1. Megadeth is comparatively huge relative to other opportunities Mike currently has available, so making an "adjustment" to his present commitments if this opportunity presented itself might not be out of the question.
2. I think that neither project is so active that adjustments in the schedule could not be made to accommodate. I think he could probably work it out. In a way, Megadeth would be ideal from that standpoint. They are big enough that it would be a great gig to earn some more serious cash and get him out on bigger stages, but they aren't HUGE anymore and are a bit less busy so that he could still do other things, time (and Mustaine) permitting.
I dunno. I still think it is more likely than not that he will NOT be the next Megadeth drummer. But so far, none of the reasons I have seen should be considered insurmountable hurdles.
To be completely honest I don't think TWD will last that long. Maybe one or two new albums at most. These supergroups tend to not last very long, especially when one or more of the members have bigger commitments. Just look at what happened to Chickenfoot, or more recently BCC (granted other factors seemed to be bigger causes for that split). If MP wants an actual full time band with longevity, unless he finds a bunch of young musicians to start a brand new band, he's gonna have to join an already established act. Megadeth could be the ticket. The only question after that is how long would he last in that band. :lol
Okay, but his voice has ALWAYS been in terrible shape. You might like his voice or feel that it suits the songs, but I don't think I have ever heard anyone try to argue that Mustaine was ever a good singer or had a great voice, ever.
If he was TRYING to sing normally, and this is what we got, then yeah, I'd say he couldn't sing. And I haven't heard him actually tru to sing normally to make that judgment. But what he is doing, he's getting the exact result he wants out of it.
If he was TRYING to sing normally, and this is what we got, then yeah, I'd say he couldn't sing. And I haven't heard him actually tru to sing normally to make that judgment. But what he is doing, he's getting the exact result he wants out of it.
He's trying to sing HIS normal and he just can't do it anymore - I really don't think he's getting the exact result he wants out of his singing. He can sing pretty much NOTHING from the pre-2000's Deth back catalogue. At least not without tuning the guitar down a whole step to D standard - which in itself is lolcats as Dave's gone on record as saying that downtuning is stupid because 'the guitar doesn't resonate the way its supposed to at A440z". Pffffffftttt
Pffffffftttttttt
To be fair, he could never really replicate his studio vocals live. He could've done with some singing lessons early on to preserve what he had by using proper technique but his huge inflated ego probably stopped him making that call.
Disc 4 of Warchest has the best live vocals. Lets just bask in that glory and forget everything after that.
If you detuned Dave's vocals on any early Megadeth record down a fifth they'd probably sound like Lemmy too :lol
Killed By Deth :D:facepalm:
https://www.wolverinekills.com/2014/11/29/megadeth-rust-in-peace-line-up-reuniting/There are strong signs of the RIP lineup getting back together so my money is on that right now
Signs where? where signs?
https://www.wolverinekills.com/2014/11/29/megadeth-rust-in-peace-line-up-reuniting/There are strong signs of the RIP lineup getting back together so my money is on that right now
Signs where? where signs?
https://www.wolverinekills.com/2014/11/29/megadeth-rust-in-peace-line-up-reuniting/There are strong signs of the RIP lineup getting back together so my money is on that right now
Signs where? where signs?
That's some interesting detective work!
Dave Ellefson spoken word tour..
https://bravewords.com/news/megadeth-bassist-david-ellefsons-my-life-with-death-spoken-word-tour-to-hit-australia-in-march
https://www.wolverinekills.com/2014/11/29/megadeth-rust-in-peace-line-up-reuniting/
It seems like such a waste to go through lineup changes as often as Megadeth seems to.
The new member (if not an old member rejoining) has to learn a huge, complex back catalog of songs. Maybe not every single one, but enough that it would seem like a huge pain in the ass to bring on a new member.
I dunno, did you ever hear the story of Jimmy Degrasso's first gig with them? My memory may be off, but I think he had like, a night to learn a Megadeth set - he was playing a festival with them the next day. He did it all without any drums, just by learning and memorizing the recordings. Played the show the next day without a hitch. That's the calibre of musician they're working with so I don't think it'd be that big a deal. Plus, the money's gotta be not-too-shabby like, thats usually a good motivator for wanting to do the job right.
Its interesting tho, imagine how amazing Metallica would be if it was James Hetfield and a rotating cast of stellar musicians lol. I don't even know how you could call Megadeth Megadeth anymore. They should just call it The Daves.
I dunno, did you ever hear the story of Jimmy Degrasso's first gig with them? My memory may be off, but I think he had like, a night to learn a Megadeth set - he was playing a festival with them the next day. He did it all without any drums, just by learning and memorizing the recordings. Played the show the next day without a hitch. That's the calibre of musician they're working with so I don't think it'd be that big a deal. Plus, the money's gotta be not-too-shabby like, thats usually a good motivator for wanting to do the job right.
The last Deth show I saw was Gigantour when DT opened just prior to them. I stayed for a couple songs but their energy was
lacking and it was a long day going back and forth between stages to catch the bands I wanted to see. For those who have
seen them recently do you think they still have the capability to fill theaters and then to keep people there with ample energy?
They just didn't hold a candle to DT's performance when I saw them. It was a let down.
The last Deth show I saw was Gigantour when DT opened just prior to them. I stayed for a couple songs but their energy was
lacking and it was a long day going back and forth between stages to catch the bands I wanted to see. For those who have
seen them recently do you think they still have the capability to fill theaters and then to keep people there with ample energy?
They just didn't hold a candle to DT's performance when I saw them. It was a let down.
If the RIP lineup doesn't come back, I would LOVE to see DeGrasso back in Megadeth. Have you seen She Wolf live with his drum solo? FLAWLESS :metal
Oh, and speaking of RIP, you should check out my top 50 albums thread in fifteen minutes :biggrin:
The last Deth show I saw was Gigantour when DT opened just prior to them. I stayed for a couple songs but their energy was
lacking and it was a long day going back and forth between stages to catch the bands I wanted to see. For those who have
seen them recently do you think they still have the capability to fill theaters and then to keep people there with ample energy?
They just didn't hold a candle to DT's performance when I saw them. It was a let down.
Felt the same way when I saw them at the Gigantour in Albuquerque with DT. Left after two songs.
As many negative stories as I've heard, I guess I got lucky the one time I saw them, because they unequivocally BROUGHT IT for that show. And Flotsam as openers were great too.
I listened to Hidden Treasures last night for the first time in years. Man, there are some good tracks. Their B-sides were better than most bands' hits back in the day.Hidden Treasures is pretty good. I wish Def leppard would've released a collection of their Hysteria B Sides. They were better than the album.
As many negative stories as I've heard, I guess I got lucky the one time I saw them, because they unequivocally BROUGHT IT for that show. And Flotsam as openers were great too.
This tour was the last time I saw both of these bands. Unfotrunately, it was 1995 and each were supporting their worst albums to that point. And their live shows reflected it. I love Flotsam, and they were just OK, and Megadeth looked worn and tired, especially Mustaine. It was brutal to watch them that night.
Korn was also on that bill.
I wish Def leppard would've released a collection of their Hysteria B Sides. They were better than the album.
I am assuming you know the story behind those songs, right? They WERE the album before Joe and the guys decided to re-record the entire thing because of Thriller.I remember them having the album in the can with Jim Steinman as producer. Are you telling me that the b sides were part of that? I would've loved to have heard the Steinman version. Has it ever seen the light of day?
I think you need to lay off the hallucinogens.:lol
I remember them having the album in the can with Jim Steinman as producer. Are you telling me that the b sides were part of that? I would've loved to have heard the Steinman version. Has it ever seen the light of day?
Any mention of Flotsam is a good thing, so I'll just respectfully disagree on Drift.
Well, so am I, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen.Yeah but you're Bosk. He's Not!
I don't know if the metal world would be able to contain itself if the classic lineup came back. I just don't think Marty would do it.
Well, so am I, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen.
Well, so am I, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen.
I didn't know you used to play in Megadeth!
Gar Samuelson kinda died
Gar Samuelson kinda died
I'll believe it when I hear it.
Looks like Poland is busy...with Menza.
https://bravewords.com/news/chris-poland-nick-menza-and-james-lomenzo-discuss-new-megadeth-alumni-project-on-inside-metal-video-streaming
...They should just call it The Daves.
https://www.wolverinekills.com/2014/11/29/megadeth-rust-in-peace-line-up-reuniting/There are strong signs of the RIP lineup getting back together so my money is on that right now
Signs where? where signs?
Makes sense, wasn't Chuck Behler Gar Samuelson's drum tech or summat? Or was Nick Menza Chuck Behler's drum tech. I forget.
Is this actually true?Makes sense, wasn't Chuck Behler Gar Samuelson's drum tech or summat? Or was Nick Menza Chuck Behler's drum tech. I forget.
Chuck Behler was Gar Samuelson's drum tech and Nick Menza was Chuck Behler's drum tech.
Good to see the Youthanasia love. Top 10 album of all time for me.
1. ...And Justice For All:tup
2. Master of Puppets
3. Ride the Lightning
4.The Black Album
5. Kill 'em All
6. Death Magnetic
7. Reload
8. Load
9. St. Anger
What do you guys have against Thirteen? I'll admit, when it came out I thought it was a massive disappointment after Endgame. But then I stopped looking at it as a thrash album and thought of it as a straight up heavy metal album. These songs are definitely growers, and the more you listen to it, the more you'll find those little gems like Deadly Nightshade, Wrecker, Fast Lane and Black Swan. Overall, I don't think there's a weak song on that album.
1. ...And Justice For All
2. Master of Puppets
3. Ride the Lightning
4.The Black Album
5. Kill 'em All
6. Death Magnetic
7. Reload
8. Load
9. St. Anger
Phil Rudd :metalClearly the best fit for any band. :lol
Phil Rudd :metalClearly the best fit for any band. :lol
In before Hammett/Ulrich reveal.
I've always disliked Rust in Peace. I don't like any of the songs on that album. Very rough list off the top of my head (will probably even forget some albums):
1. Peace
2. Youth
3. Countdown
Actually it's more like:
2. Death Magnetic
I've always disliked Rust in Peace. I don't like any of the songs on that album. Very rough list off the top of my head (will probably even forget some albums):
1. Peace
2. Youth
3. Countdown
I don't see how anyone who put PSBWB and CTE that high could dislike Holy Wars (maybe the greatest Megadeth song ever), Hangar 18, Tornado of Souls... :\
I've always disliked Rust in Peace. I don't like any of the songs on that album. Very rough list off the top of my head (will probably even forget some albums):
1. Peace
2. Youth
3. Countdown
I don't see how anyone who put PSBWB and CTE that high could dislike Holy Wars (maybe the greatest Megadeth song ever), Hangar 18, Tornado of Souls... :\
1. Hatebreeder
2. Follow The Reaper
3. Are You Dead Yet?
4. Blooddrunk
5. Something Wild
6. Hate Crew Deathroll
7. Halo of Blood
8. Relentless Reckless Forever
Geez ya dinguses, get it right.
I've always disliked Rust in Peace. I don't like any of the songs on that album. Very rough list off the top of my head (will probably even forget some albums):
1. Peace
2. Youth
3. Countdown
I don't see how anyone who put PSBWB and CTE that high could dislike Holy Wars (maybe the greatest Megadeth song ever), Hangar 18, Tornado of Souls... :\
That's actually how opinions work.
That's actually how opinions work.
I do tend to have strange opinions with some bands. I wished I liked RiP, I just don't for whatever reason. I've tried. I think it's because none of the songs are straight forward thrash, none of them groove enough for me, and they don't have enough pure melody to get stuck in my head. A song like The Conjuring has a very straightahead riff that I can groove with. The riffs in Holy Wars, as heavy they are, and as much as others like to mosh to them, don't click with me. I wish Megadeth was a bit less progressive, and I say this as someone that loves progressive music. To make this more confusing, I love progressive thrash bands like Coroner and Watchtower. Imagine that.
I do tend to have strange opinions with some bands. I wished I liked RiP, I just don't for whatever reason. I've tried. I think it's because none of the songs are straight forward thrash, none of them groove enough for me, and they don't have enough pure melody to get stuck in my head.
I just don't get that. At all. Rust in Peace is pretty much a smorgasbord of every good quality of thrash and speed metal crammed into 40 minutes. There's plenty of straight-forward thrashing parts (end of Five Magics, end of Holy Wars, all of Take No Prisoners), tons of groovy riffage (Mid-section of Hangar 18, Poison Was the Cure, Lucretia), and some of the best solos ever committed to tape (pick one).
I mean, I can never really say an opinion is flat out WRONG. But god damn...this one's close.
I just don't get that. At all. Rust in Peace is pretty much a smorgasbord of every good quality of thrash and speed metal crammed into 40 minutes. There's plenty of straight-forward thrashing parts (end of Five Magics, end of Holy Wars, all of Take No Prisoners), tons of groovy riffage (Mid-section of Hangar 18, Poison Was the Cure, Lucretia), and some of the best solos ever committed to tape (pick one).
I mean, I can never really say an opinion is flat out WRONG. But god damn...this one's close.
I just don't get that. At all. Rust in Peace is pretty much a smorgasbord of every good quality of thrash and speed metal crammed into 40 minutes. There's plenty of straight-forward thrashing parts (end of Five Magics, end of Holy Wars, all of Take No Prisoners), tons of groovy riffage (Mid-section of Hangar 18, Poison Was the Cure, Lucretia), and some of the best solos ever committed to tape (pick one).
I mean, I can never really say an opinion is flat out WRONG. But god damn...this one's close.
The end of Five Magics is very straight forward (and thus it's one of my favorite parts of the album) but Dave's nasally voice singing "I master" kind of ruins it for me. The end of Holy Wars isn't straight forward enough for me. Take No Prisoners has wayyyyyy too much stopping and starting for me to headbang too.
Cryptic Writings has more straight forward (aka simple) thrash moments than RiP (The Disintegrators, FFF) and I coincidentally like that album a lot better!
Cryptic Writings has more straight forward (aka simple) thrash moments than RiP (The Disintegrators, FFF) and I coincidentally like that album a lot better!(https://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/gif/4db26bb112d790b56fcaa934bad0b78808828b10.gif)
Your personal experiences definitely have a huge influence on how you experience and remember media. I came into Megadeth when I was in elementary school. The only band I really knew was Metallica, and I desperately wanted a Metallica 2.0. When I saved up my allowance and found that Megadeth was nothing like Metallica (they really aren't), I was heartbroken, and that disappointment as a 13 year is probably influencing why I find it hard to enjoy them as an adult.Dude, you were 13 in elementary school?? Well, now that explains everything! :lol
So hearing our beloved *extreme* acts release things like CtE and TBA was a major let down. But RiP is good...I just happen to like So Far So Good better (my personal favorite Megadeth album)J Dude. Thank you. Yes, CtE was a huge letdown, and I did not care for Youth either. I was done with Megadeth at that point. And SFSGSW is also MY fave too. But RiP is a friggin' masterpiece. I don't know how that can even be debated.
CtE is pretty much their Black Album,Yes, I agree.
CtE is pretty much their Black Album,Yes, I agree.
CTE is obviously nowhere near as heavy as the pre-1992 Megadeth, but it's still way the shit heavier than TBA.
I don't have anything more to add to this conversation other than Dave Mustaine wasn't impressed with bands using symphonies in their music because the band had already done that with Symphony of Destruction. He had also used industrial music in Trent Reznor's remix of Symphony of Destruction, so he wasn't interested in that style of music, and that hey had already "been there, done that."
I sincerely hate Dave Mustaine.
I'll agree that Youthanasia was a bit more of the same, but for some reason I liked many of the riffs just a tad better. I seem to remember that I liked Train of Consequences better than anything off of CtE anyway.
CHRIS ADLER of LAMB OF GOD Joins DAVE MUSTAINE in the Studio for New MEGADETH Album
Dave Mustaine, the creative driving force behind original American metal and hard rock crossover giants MEGADETH, and Chris Adler, drummer for the leaders of modern American heavy metal LAMB OF GOD, will join bassist David Ellefson in the creation of MEGADETH's anticipated forthcoming album. Adler will be appearing as a guest on the album and contributing his thundering, hard-hitting, and technically precise style and skill, adding new blood and drive into the mix while staying true to MEGADETH's roots.
Dave Mustaine comments, "Chris is a tremendous talent, and an amazing person. He is going to bring a new level of excitement and energy to MEGADETH that the fans are going to lose their minds over. I have nothing but respect for my previous drummers, but this is going to absolutely KILL! Back in 1989, MEGADETH originally worked as a three piece - guitar, bass and drums - when we laid down the framework to our GRAMMY® nominated platinum album 'Rust In Peace'. I want to thank the other members of Lamb Of God for allowing this opportunity to take place for all of us in the metal community."
David Ellefson adds, "Chris has been an endearing friend to us in MEGADETH for many years now, and he truly appreciates our music and its legacy. His drumming has forged such an innovative and ferocious path for metal music and I'm very proud that he is anchoring our rhythm section with us on this new album. I can clearly see a new dawn of 'utmost heaviness' unfolding in MEGADETH's next chapter."
Chris Adler offers, "MEGADETH was the game changer for me. Growing up, there was no other band that meant as much to my musical interest and direction. There is no doubt I would not be doing what I have been doing for the past three decades had I not stumbled across 'Killing Is My Business' and the bible of all metal, 'Peace Sells' in my formative years."
"About 10 years ago, LAMB OF GOD toured with MEGADETH and I was able to share that story with Dave and David, and we have kept in touch ever since", adds Adler. "When Dave called me a while ago and asked if I was interested in making a thrash metal album with him, I felt like I must've been on a hidden camera show. "I was trying to play it cool, but I was speechless other than YES! Once I called my wife and my band guys to let everyone know, I had some time to really think about it and how I can best fit into this situation. I'm coming into this on fire. There is an incredible amount of respect, but the goal here is to make the very best thrash album we can. Together, I believe we can do something very special! Get ready for a very exciting chapter in the MEGADETH legacy."
The new album is the follow up to MEGADETH's 2013 release, Super Collider. Super Collider hit No. 6 on The Billboard 200 and No. 3 on both the Top Rock Albums and Top Hard Rock Albums charts consecutively. To date, MEGADETH has sold more than 38 million albums worldwide and has scored five Top 10 albums, two Top 5 releases.
Youthanasia has its fair share of filler towards the end of the album. CTE is far more consistent. But I prefer Youth over it. The first 6-7 songs are outstanding.
Youthanasia is great, CTE has way too much filler.
Kiko Loureiro as new Megadeth guitarist.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/kiko_loureiro_of_angra_is_officially_the_new_megadeth_guitarist.html
Yeah, baby!
B.Lee
Kiko Loureiro as new Megadeth guitarist.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/kiko_loureiro_of_angra_is_officially_the_new_megadeth_guitarist.html
Yeah, baby!
B.Lee
Endgame was full of magnificent soloing. No idea what would be constituted as boring.Kiko Loureiro as new Megadeth guitarist.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/kiko_loureiro_of_angra_is_officially_the_new_megadeth_guitarist.html
Yeah, baby!
B.Lee
My interest in Megadeth has reignited. Chris was quite a boring guitarist IMO and didn't add anything to the band. Expect amazing guitar solos on this new album.
Endgame was full of magnificent soloing. No idea what would be constituted as boring.Kiko Loureiro as new Megadeth guitarist.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/kiko_loureiro_of_angra_is_officially_the_new_megadeth_guitarist.html
Yeah, baby!
B.Lee
My interest in Megadeth has reignited. Chris was quite a boring guitarist IMO and didn't add anything to the band. Expect amazing guitar solos on this new album.
Oh, and Wolfie, Endgame is awesome.
It's not like El Dorado levels of awesome, but it's not bad.
Just bumping to post that I just finished Mustaine's book. Anyone else check it out?
Just bumping to post that I just finished Mustaine's book. Anyone else check it out?
Oh, and Wolfie, Endgame is awesome.
Yeah, I still have it in the car and will keep spinning it today. Dunno what I was thinking. Maybe when it was released I just wasn't in the Megadeth mood. The funny thing is, I did go back to it a couple of times because of the positive reviews, but it still gave me nothing. I don't ever remember totally backflipping on an album like this. A nice surprise though.:metal :metal
The first two are killer, 44 Minutes and Bodies and good too. Headcrusher is solid and I love Sealed with A Kiss...The Hardest Part of Letting Go.
I don't think Tom and Kerry would be easy to get on with either. Not saying that has anything to do with this article but Kerry is a big a dick as Dave is.
Sounds like they could easily put together The Big 4 wankers between them without even calling Lars. ;D
Slayer aren't bigger than MegaDave, are they?!
I don't even like them anymore, and even I can tell you that Slayer has retained more of their core loyal audience than any of the other big 4. Slayer fans are just a whole new level of "they can do no wrong" fanatical.
The Holt songwriting thing reminds me a bit of the Mangini-DT-ADTOE thing.
In the studio, yes. However, Hanneman hadn't performed live with Slayer since 2011. It's been Exodus' Gary Holt since then. Since Holt wasn't allowed to contribute to the songwriting ("Fans aren't ready for it", according to King), Repentless will be all Tom and Kerry. I'm not holding out too much hope.
Especially if they haven't sorted out that thing that Lombardo uncovered.
Was just listening to Rust In Peace (Original, not the remaster) today and gotta say it's my favorite Megadeth album still. I think the mix and sonic quality of the album are some of the best for those riffs, the remix is not that bad and I do like the crunchier guitar tone but not a fan of the new snare sound.
Sonics aside, the crushing riffs and crazy solos by both Dave and Marty are some of my favorite Thrash stuff. Not a single dud on the album for me.
Was just listening to Rust In Peace (Original, not the remaster) today and gotta say it's my favorite Megadeth album still. I think the mix and sonic quality of the album are some of the best for those riffs, the remix is not that bad and I do like the crunchier guitar tone but not a fan of the new snare sound.
Sonics aside, the crushing riffs and crazy solos by both Dave and Marty are some of my favorite Thrash stuff. Not a single dud on the album for me.
I largely agree, except that, as much as I love that album, I would say Countdown and possibly Youthanasia beat it for "favorites" for me. But still, such a great album.
The Holt songwriting thing reminds me a bit of the Mangini-DT-ADTOE thing.
How so? With ADToE, John wrote the basic parts and let Mike interpret them with his own style. With Slayer it's just Kerry King controlling everything.
1. Dave sounds fine
Kiko's TOS solo was the best version since the original. I loved Glen but that solo kicks the shit out of Glen's and Chris'. Sounded the most true to Marty while adding some of his own things in there. Love it.
I have been listening to Endgame recently. Time has served this album well. I am blown away by how good it is, and how much I failed to realize how good it is.
Bosk, Endgame was great right out of the gate.
Bosk, Endgame was great right out of the gate.
I remember thinking that Mustaine was really onto something with the Broderick/Drover lineup, but then released two duds after Endgame.
Bosk, Endgame was great right out of the gate.
Well, yeah, but you are strange, so...
Guess I'll have to listen again. Sounded like one long chug on one note to me. Liked the bass intro though and the little guitar bits. I wasn't a huge Megadeath fan until the albums Megadeath fans hate - Risk, Cryptic Writings, Super Collider... This sounded like the earlier, pre Marty Friedman albums to me.
Cryptic Writings is amazing.
And I like the digital font for the album title.
And I like the digital font for the album title.
wat?
where's the album title in that pic?
And I like the digital font for the album title.
wat?
where's the album title in that pic?
Oops. Well, here there is: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/hear-megadeths-brand-new-song-fatal-illusion-right-now/
That new track is pretty damn good. Kiko sounds wonderful, and Dave's effort on this is pretty decent too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrV61ATP3EcWow, I like this a lot, my favorite out of all the songs so far. 15 days to go :metal
I get strong youthanasia fell from this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrV61ATP3Ec
I get strong youthanasia fell from this song
Just got my Shipping Confirmation email from Amazon!!
https://bravewords.com/reviews/megadeth-dystopia
Dystopia is awesome. Best Megadeth album since The System Has Failed (for me).
I'm liking this album very much. For me, their best since The System Has Failed. Never got the hype for the shredfest that is Endgame. This album's a shredfest too, but the solos are way cooler and more musical. The songwriting's good, too. A worthy modern-day take on the sound that made Megadeth so special - Rust in Peace, Countdown to Extinction and a little bit of pop sensibility in there as well (The Emperor).
I really liked the album. I'm surprised that Dave had it in him to create something that almost equals his best work after Super Collider. I hate that it ended with a cover, though.
After first listen, Dystopia is excellent. Loved the solos, very Friedman-esque.
These positive opinions are encouraging.It's my opinion that you should be positively encouraged.
These positive opinions are encouraging.Definitely. Haven't been able to hear the album yet, but looking forward to it now. Endgame was the last one I enjoyed.
I thought today that if David Ellefson ever left the band then Jason Newsted should join :P :)
I thought today that if David Ellefson ever left the band then Jason Newsted should join :P :)
My favorite is definitely Conquer or Die. Badass riff progression and a truly epic guitar solo. Too bad they didn't make a proper song with lyrics out of this, but it's spectacular nonetheless.
And wtf is up with a spotify bonus track? Artists complain that they are not getting paid or not getting paid enough when their music is streamed on spotify (and others) and then they give them exclusive material?
I picked it up on Friday and casually listened to about the first half while driving. Did not have a chance to listen further over the weekend. But I was underwhelmed and actually felt that it was the weakest sounding Megadeth album I could remember. The riffs seemed very simple and straightforward, and lacking any real punch. And the vocals seemed very subdued. Maybe I just wasn't in the right headspace or something, but I was really confused by what I was hearing since it did not seem to match up at all with the opinions I had been reading. Obviously, I will give it a few more listens to try and figure out what I am missing.
I picked it up on Friday and casually listened to about the first half while driving. Did not have a chance to listen further over the weekend. But I was underwhelmed and actually felt that it was the weakest sounding Megadeth album I could remember. The riffs seemed very simple and straightforward, and lacking any real punch. And the vocals seemed very subdued. Maybe I just wasn't in the right headspace or something, but I was really confused by what I was hearing since it did not seem to match up at all with the opinions I had been reading. Obviously, I will give it a few more listens to try and figure out what I am missing.
I am liking it a lot better this next time through so far.
I really want to hear these bonus tracks. Gotta find them.
I really found Foreign policy funny. Reminded me of those mediocre punk bands but yeah...if it was a BSide it would be better
From the few listens I have I guess it's another TWNAH type record...probably at The same level of Endgame and The System Has Failed..I really found Foreign policy funny. Reminded me of those mediocre punk bands but yeah...if it was a BSide it would be better
I'd pay a bit to meet Dave and give him a guitar lesson ;D
I'd pay a bit to meet Dave and give him a guitar lesson ;D
Dave's good at a lot of things - rhythm guitar , crafting memorable thrash songs , picking good lead guitarists etc........ and he's probably one of the better thrash vocalists . That says more about thrash vocalists than Dave :lol
I'm really enjoying Dystopia and Endgame at the moment - possibly the two most consistent , filler free albums even though many of my all time fave tracks come from other albums.
I'm really enjoying Dystopia and Endgame at the moment - possibly the two most consistent , filler free albums even though many of my all time fave tracks come from other albums.
I'm really enjoying Dystopia and Endgame at the moment - possibly the two most consistent , filler free albums even though many of my all time fave tracks come from other albums.
I probably feel this way too.
Thanks Tim. :tup
I'm really enjoying Dystopia and Endgame at the moment - possibly the two most consistent , filler free albums even though many of my all time fave tracks come from other albums.
I probably feel this way too.
Thanks Tim. :tup
Ever get to listen to the bonus tracks? If so then what did you think?
I'm really enjoying Dystopia and Endgame at the moment - possibly the two most consistent , filler free albums even though many of my all time fave tracks come from other albums.
I probably feel this way too.
Thanks Tim. :tup
Ever get to listen to the bonus tracks? If so then what did you think?
Yeah - I wouldn't bother . I wouldn't rate any of the bonus tracks as high as anything on the album.
Hehe, yeah. Dave isn't a good singer. But I do think he has a really good feel for making catchy vocal melodies and there is a certain unique charisma to his voice (I am talking studio-performance wise). There are a plethoria of (Trash) metal bands with vocals I do not care for or even actively dislike, but Megadeth is not one of those bands at all.
I'd pay a bit to meet Dave and give him a guitar lesson ;D
Ah, come on, he's not bad. And certainky better than his successor in that other metal band.
Now a singing lesson, that would be different ;D
I'd pay a bit to meet Dave and give him a guitar lesson ;D
Ah, come on, he's not bad. And certainky better than his successor in that other metal band.
Now a singing lesson, that would be different ;D
Yeah, I love Megadeth, but Kirk is light years ahead of Dave.
I'd take Dave over Kirk, but Kirk has never done anything as horrid as what Dave did on Cemetary Gates.
"As you might remember, Megadeth have offered a variety of "Dystopia" perks through their PledgeMusic campaign while the album was being recorded.
One of them was spending $2,500 plus travel expenses to spend a day (a day meaning up to three hours) in the studio with the band, while the other interesting offer was paying $3,000 for a two-hour guitar lesson from Dave Mustaine.
The album is holding up well, really good stuff.
The album is holding up well, really good stuff.
Still in the car stereo with TA. A good sign. I stuck some greatest hits on the end too.
Nothing deep, Hangar 18, peace Sells, in my darkest hour, sweating bullets, a tout le monde, holy wars and angry again
The album is holding up well, really good stuff.
Still in the car stereo with TA. A good sign. I stuck some greatest hits on the end too.
The album is holding up well, really good stuff.
Still in the car stereo with TA. A good sign. I stuck some greatest hits on the end too.
I guess I should have a listen to the second cd one day hey?
Calling him Neil won't get him in the mood kingshmeglowdz ;D
The album is holding up well, really good stuff.
Still in the car stereo with TA. A good sign. I stuck some greatest hits on the end too.
I guess I should have a listen to the second cd one day hey?
I've listened to the first cd twice, but haven't touched the second. I will, but at the moment I have no urge too.
Anyway, I have Dystopia back in the car and it's a really good record. I hope Dave can keep this lineup together.
I'd pay a bit to meet Dave and give him a guitar lesson ;D
Ah, come on, he's not bad. And certainky better than his successor in that other metal band.
Absolutely. Mustaine is a pioneer. Hammett is along for the ride.I'd pay a bit to meet Dave and give him a guitar lesson ;D
Ah, come on, he's not bad. And certainky better than his successor in that other metal band.
Are you sure? Check at 5.22 mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTxOIaxb90I
I'd pay a bit to meet Dave and give him a guitar lesson ;D
Ah, come on, he's not bad. And certainky better than his successor in that other metal band.
Are you sure? Check at 5.22 mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTxOIaxb90I
I'd pay a bit to meet Dave and give him a guitar lesson ;D
Ah, come on, he's not bad. And certainky better than his successor in that other metal band.
Are you sure? Check at 5.22 mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTxOIaxb90I
So Mustaine has a bad performance, it's shit but it happens.
Kirk "I play only sloppy wahwah solos for the last 25 years" Hammet hasn't had a single good performance in some time. So for me Dave slays Kirk in every guitar playing aspect.
Poisonous Shadows is probably one of my favourite Megadeth songs ever already, it's stunning how good it is.
Poisonous Shadows is probably one of my favourite Megadeth songs ever already, it's stunning how good it is.
New setlist only has one song from Dystopia, Fatal Illusion. ???Let me guess, there is not a single song from the five albums prior to it?
New setlist only has one song from Dystopia, Fatal Illusion. ???Let me guess, there is not a single song from the five albums prior to it?
Anybody read the Mustaine book?
That awkward moment when Kingmaker is the most interesting choice in the set list. :-\
That awkward moment when Kingmaker is the most interesting choice in the set list. :-\
I checked it out on Sunday. I skipped the early years part and started the chapter before he met Lars and stopped after Nick left, but not Marty. Those are the parts I was most interested, so I burned through those pages. The other parts I'm sure will be a slower read (for me).Anybody read the Mustaine book?
I did!
Personally, I've always felt that Hangar 18 was a little overrated.
I like Dawn Patrol. :dunno:
That awkward moment when Kingmaker is the most interesting choice in the set list. :-\
I never really got Dawn patrol. It more than brings down an otherwise fantastic album. I mean, it's still a great album, but man, what were the guys on when they came up with that? :lol
I checked it out on Sunday. I skipped the early years part and started the chapter before he met Lars and stopped after Nick left, but not Marty. Those are the parts I was most interested, so I burned through those pages. The other parts I'm sure will be a slower read (for me).Anybody read the Mustaine book?
I did!
What did you think?
Also something about the vocals on this album doesn't sit right with me, can't tell what it is.
I enjoyed Dystopia despite the Trumpesque lyrics
I never really got Dawn patrol. It more than brings down an otherwise fantastic album. I mean, it's still a great album, but man, what were the guys on when they came up with that? :lol
Absolutely. It's the very definition of filler. Maybe they'd made a real song out of it and the tapes were lost!
I enjoyed Dystopia despite the Trumpesque lyrics
I've always found his lyrics more anti-government regardless of the occupant that partisan. Is he supposed to change his formula because a Democrat is the current occupant? That would be very un-Megadeth.
Sheesh, the band name itself sets the political message.
I never really got Dawn patrol. It more than brings down an otherwise fantastic album. I mean, it's still a great album, but man, what were the guys on when they came up with that? :lol
Absolutely. It's the very definition of filler. Maybe they'd made a real song out of it and the tapes were lost!
Um, no. Not at all. "I don't like this song" does not equate to "filler."
Marathon ho!
Marathon ho!
Been lookin for one of them.
Just put my order in for Dystopia and while I'm waiting I figured I'd pick out a few albums from their discography to warm me up. So...
SFSGSW would rate higher for me if the production were a bit better.
The System Has Failed is definitely very good.
And Thirteen = Underrated.
Seeing Havok/Children of Bodom/Suicidal Tendencies/Megadeth in Allentown this Saturday. :metal
Seeing Havok/Children of Bodom/Suicidal Tendencies/Megadeth in Allentown this Saturday. :metal
I was never a huge Dokken guy. I actually saw them 3 times back in the day and never thought they were that great live. And Don Dokken seemed like such a douche on stage.
When they came for that reunion show, it was in a club and thought it'd be a cool night out. Well, they really blew me away.
I forgot that this is a Megadeth thread.
I wasn't particularly familiar with their recent stuff, but it doesn't matter, it was still kick ass.
Dystopia is great but Megadeth just had a run of a couple mediocre albums.
Try the new Flitsam & Jetsam. A return to the classic style.
I think The System has Failed, United Abominations and Endgame are all great.
Oh and listening to the new Death Angel right now! :metal
I assume this was probably posted already, but I just ran across it. The Countdown to Extinction album in 8-bit. Imagine CTE as the background music for an old Atari 2600 game. So cool.:metalol: I love this! This guy has WAY too much time on his hands, but I love it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7LWpDKhQgY
I know these words are seldom uttered, but: Risk is SUCH a good album.
It is a great album. Other than Endgame, this is the best in TWO decades!
I think this is better than Endgame too!
Yeah, I agree. Outside the classic era (which I consider to be Rust through Youthanasia), I would put those two albums up there as their best, with the possible exception of my strange affinity for Risk.It is a great album. Other than Endgame, this is the best in TWO decades!
I think this is better than Endgame too!
I agree. Dystopia and Endgame (minus the really bad ballad) are top notch.
It works for them. Metallica thrives on being a band, Megadeth works as a Mustaine solo project. The big upside is that he can reinvent the band every few years. I thought Megadeth was starting to get pretty stale (Super Collider was one of the worst albums they ever made) but Dystopia was a real return to form. A big part of that was the new lineup IMO.
Megadeth has "quietly" put together one of the greatest discographies in metal.
Megadeth has "quietly" put together one of the greatest discographies in metal.
Killing Is My Business...And Business Is Good The Final Kill
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Century Media & Legacy Recordings are proud to announce the 2018 deluxe re-issue of Megadeth’s classic debut album, Killing Is My Business...and Business Is Good!
Killing Is My Business...and Business Is Good - The Final Kill has been completely restored to Dave Mustaine’s intended vision. Remixed by veteran metal mixer, Mark Lewis (Whitechapel) and remastered by Ted Jensen for an optimal listening experience, the 2018 version reveals unheard parts and performances throughout the record. This rare gem includes the full album, along with 7 live audio tracks from VHS tapes found in Dave Mustaine’s own attic! In addition to the bonus live tracks, the 2018 re-issue also features Megadeth’s 1984 3-track demo and the once removed cover of Lee Hazelwood’s, “The Boots” that has been added back to the record with recut vocals intended to maintain the integrity of both the original song and Megadeth’s own snarling rendition.
The package is further enhanced by a new album cover featuring a fully executed sculpture of the iconic skull that has been lost over the many years since the album’s initial release. The packaging also includes classic flyers and band photos pulled from their archive of timeless metal moments from Megadeth’s storied 35 year history. The Final Kill is the complete vision of main man, Dave Mustaine, who has contributed liner notes delving into the struggles during that time period as well as some of the surprising moments during the remixing sessions.
“I am just as much amazed at the music we made as I am at the pure fact that we survived it all!” - Dave Mustaine
CD Track List
1. Last Rites / Loved to Deth (Remastered)
2. Killing Is My Business...And Business Is Good! (Remastered)
3. The Skull Beneath the Skin (Remastered)
4. Rattlehead (Remastered) - Explicit Content
5. Chosen Ones (Remastered)
6. Looking Down the Cross (Remastered)
7. Mechanix (Remastered)
8. These Boots (Remastered)
9. Last Rites / Loved to Deth (live) (1987 London, UK)
10. Killing Is My Business...And Business Is Good! (live) (1986 Denver, CO)
11. The Skull Beneath the Skin (live) (1990 London, UK)
12. Rattlehead (live) (1987 Bochum, Germany) - Explicit Content
13. Chosen Ones (live) (1986 Denver, CO)
14. Looking Down the Cross (live) (1986 Denver, CO)
15. Mechanix (live) (1986 Denver, CO)
16. Last Rites / Loved to Deth (demo) (Remastered)
17. The Skull Beneath the Skin (demo) (Remastered)
18. Mechanix (demo) (Remastered)
Album Release Date Is June 8th 2018
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"unheard parts." The last time these things were remastered, I believe Dave altered/added things. I understand an artist's desire to tinker. But once released, anything related to the performance itself shouldn't be altered IMO. You can change cover art, change the track listing, remix, remaster, etc. But the music itself shouldn't be altered.
The other stuff sounds cool.
That brings up an interesting question: how is it that Lee Hazelwood had the power to require the removal and/or bleeping of certain lyrics on Megadeth's cover of These Boots? Is there some law that allows for the original songwriter to prevent a cover from being sold to the public even though they are financially compensated?"unheard parts." The last time these things were remastered, I believe Dave altered/added things. I understand an artist's desire to tinker. But once released, anything related to the performance itself shouldn't be altered IMO. You can change cover art, change the track listing, remix, remaster, etc. But the music itself shouldn't be altered.
The other stuff sounds cool.
I have and love the 2002 remaster - from what I recall, Dave only changed These Boots to add bleeps in the lyrics that Lee Hazelwood had problems with. I think they're trying to say that the new remaster brings "unheard" elements to the forefront, as opposed to altering the music.
Dave taking lessons from George Lucas now?
Killing would be awesome if they remastered it and used the original vocal tracks but him redoing the vocals is what tanked the remake last time. He's lost his edge so I'm sure he'll do it again. If he were to leave the original vocal tracks only I'd buy this in a second.
For good reason
For good reason
You are forbidden to speak/post on Megadeth topics, given your big fandom of RISK, which is, as any Megadeth fan knows, is the band's most horrendous record. :rollin
What if you really like Risk and the early stuff as well?
I would've been fine if Dystopia had been the last Megadeth album.
Youthanasia followed, and like bosk1, I really like that too, although it started to veer a bit much into melodic territory for a thrash band, IMO.
Even when the band put out The World Needs a Hero, it really wasn't much better than Cryptic, just darker (and killer artwork).
The frustrating thing on that record was that one of the best songs from that era was a b-side, "Kill the King." That and "Disconnect," for me, are tops from that album cycle.
...Dystopia
As I recall, Kill the King was actually written specifically for Capitol Punishment. That and Dread and the Fugitive Mind were pretty killer.
Capitol Punishment came first. I think that is where your confusion lies. CP came out in 2000. It was the last release on Capitol. TWNAH was released in 2001 on Sanctuary. I am not sure if there were separate writing sessions, so it all may have blurred together. Because of the timing, I was under the impression that Kill the King, Dread, and the song Capitol Punishment were written before they really started on the writing for TWNAH, but hard to say.
But anyhow, for all intents and purposes, it is all the same album cycle since CP was a "best of" compilation to finish out their contract, which was then followed by TWNAH as their next studio release the following year, and then Rude Awakening from the tour that followed.
As I recall, Kill the King was actually written specifically for Capitol Punishment. That and Dread and the Fugitive Mind were pretty killer.
Hmm. I could have sworn it was a track written in the TWNAH sessions. It was played live on Rude Awakening, and on the tour for TWNAH, which I am guessing all came before Capitol Punishment. Not saying you're wrong, as I am not an expert on Megadeth history, but I could swear it was written for TWNAH. Regardless, its in that general time period.
And I agree, Dread and the Fugitive Mind is a great one. That, Disconnect, and Kill the King. My top ones from that album cycle/period.
As I recall, Kill the King was actually written specifically for Capitol Punishment. That and Dread and the Fugitive Mind were pretty killer.
Hmm. I could have sworn it was a track written in the TWNAH sessions. It was played live on Rude Awakening, and on the tour for TWNAH, which I am guessing all came before Capitol Punishment. Not saying you're wrong, as I am not an expert on Megadeth history, but I could swear it was written for TWNAH. Regardless, its in that general time period.
And I agree, Dread and the Fugitive Mind is a great one. That, Disconnect, and Kill the King. My top ones from that album cycle/period.
Kill the King and Dread were songs written for TWNAH. Capitol Records forced Dave to give them those two songs for Capitol Punishment, which completed their contract. Dave negotiated with them and was able to also use Dread on TWNAH, since he felt that was a really strong song, and the better of the two.
Yes, CP was first. It was released in October 2000, and TWNAH in May 2001. It may have been from the same sessions. Or the first three songs could have been done in some pre-TWNAH or "warmup" sessions. Not sure. It was all right around the same timeframe though. Honestly, I have no idea why Dread was included on both. Just one of those quirky things that could have been for any number of reasons.
EDIT: And I don't doubt Grapp's further clarification. It makes sense. But I have never seen that officially said anywhere, so I'm taking his word for it.
Well, thanks to this discussion, I am going back to listen to the album for the first time in forever. The songs I remember liking are Disconnect, TWNAH, Warhorse, Dread, Silent Scorn, and Return to Hangar. I didn't much care for Moto Psycho, 1000 Times Goodbye, or Losing My Senses. I don't recall the other songs.
EDIT: And I have to say that Megadeth really has some outstanding non-album tracks throughout the years. Fully half of Hidden Treasures highlights that. Then you have tracks like Dread (even though it ended up becoming an album track), and Kill the King. I know they have a few more out there as well, but I'm not familiar with them.
Absolutely. It is probably my favorite of all. I didn't mention it specifically because I implicitly included it in my mention of Hidden Treasures. It's a shame that song for some reason doesn't seem to translate well in a live setting.
Well if you were only going to purchase 2 latter day Megadeth albums, then UA and Endgame would be the ones to get.
Oh definitely. Dystopia is excellent. I'm glad they released that because I thought they released a couple of duds after the amazing Endgame.
Well if you were only going to purchase 2 latter day Megadeth albums, then UA and Endgame would be the ones to get.
UA is good but I get such a (I hate using this word) “filler” vibe from a bunch of the songs, mainly You’re Dead, Amerikhastan, and Blessed Are The Dead. Not to mention the completely horrendous redo of ATLM. Washington Is Next! and Gears Of War are two of my favorite songs of theirs though.
UA is good but I get such a (I hate using this word) “filler” vibe from a bunch of the songs, mainly You’re Dead, Amerikhastan, and Blessed Are The Dead. Not to mention the completely horrendous redo of ATLM. Washington Is Next! and Gears Of War are two of my favorite songs of theirs though.
I have a playlist where Blackmail the Universe is followed by Washington is Next! It continues with Holy Wars, Hangar 18, then Kick the Chair. Talk about a road rage play list. :metal
Well if you were only going to purchase 2 latter day Megadeth albums, then UA and Endgame would be the ones to get.
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I've never taken a cruise, but I'm tempted.I've done that same route for a non-concert cruise. It's a nice, relatively short "intro" cruise.
I've never taken a cruise, but I'm tempted.I've done that same route for a non-concert cruise. It's a nice, relatively short "intro" cruise.
I got this message today on my email
https://www.megadeth.com/videos/other/36920/january-11-megadeth-com
It sounded like a new riff I think.
It sounded like a new riff I think.
Maybe a new album coming?
I hope it’s not a remaster of sorts
There goes my hopes of a new album
https://www.megadeth.com/news/457897/megadeth-warheads-on-foreheads
What's the f'n point, really?
I sure wouldn't miss a new Megadeth album. Of the five albums that have come out in the recent ten year span, not a single one was great. We might as well focus on other bands.
Mustaine is clearly trying his hardest to earn his retirement bread. His voice is gone and he looks old as dirt all of a sudden. New music is where he should be focused and working on his voice. Greatest hits, we already have them! Please stop regurgitating Dave
Nick Menza was great. This new guy and his headphones makes him look like an imbecile when they play live.
BUMP...
Can I just say that Loved to Deth is the **LAST** song I would have ever expected from an iPhone commercial?
To be fair, Ellefson did sue Mustaine for $18.5 million about 15 years ago. It was dismissed, but I recall that Dave was pretty hurt by the lawsuit, so it's not surprising to learn that Ellefson had to relinquish his ownership of the band.OTOH, Ellefson was probably insulted when Mustaine told him he was reforming the band, and that he expected Ellefson to now be a salaried employee, as opposed to the full business partner that he previously was. I don't blame him at all for suing Mustaine.
Here's hoping Dave kicks cancer's ass.
I wish Dave much luck in his coming battle. I fought throat cancer in 2017 and it is no picnic. The treatments are a bitch and I will never be what I was before but I try to smile every day and be thankful because it sure beats the alternative!
I'm wondering if this had any part of his rapid voice change and how long he's had it? Hopefully it's not too late
I'm wondering if this had any part of his rapid voice change and how long he's had it? Hopefully it's not too late
I'm wondering if this had any part of his rapid voice change and how long he's had it? Hopefully it's not too late
My guess this is from eating pussy as many other celebrities have gotten throat cancer from this via HPV. Apparently that's also very treatable which are the two reasons I am guessing that.
That's something I would want on my tombstone.
"Died by eating too much pussy" :lol
I'm wondering if this had any part of his rapid voice change and how long he's had it? Hopefully it's not too late
My guess this is from eating pussy as many other celebrities have gotten throat cancer from this via HPV. Apparently that's also very treatable which are the two reasons I am guessing that.
If I remember correctly, this is how Michael Douglas got it.
I'm wondering if this had any part of his rapid voice change and how long he's had it? Hopefully it's not too late
My guess this is from eating pussy as many other celebrities have gotten throat cancer from this via HPV. Apparently that's also very treatable which are the two reasons I am guessing that.
Resurrecting this necrothread to say that I'll be speaking with Dave Ellefson tomorrow!
Resurrecting this necrothread to say that I'll be speaking with Dave Ellefson tomorrow!
Resurrecting this necrothread to say that I'll be speaking with Dave Ellefson tomorrow!
What is the occasion? Does he have something new to promote?
Is it a blemish on Ellefson's character? Sure. He always came across as a great dude. Plus, he's been married for decades. But, he's an adult. She's an adult. This should have no bearing on his standing in Megadeth. That statement the band released is bullshit. And, unless Mustaine has been looking for a reason to get rid of Junior, he should be sticking by his guy.
The way people are defending him is really weird to me. It’s bad enough that he cheated on his wife, but it’s undeniably weird that he did this with a 19 year old when he’s nearly 60. Not to mention you’ve got to be really stupid to record yourself wanking and send it to some random girl and not expect it to leak online when you’re a celebrity. I love Ellefson’s playing and I think he’s a huge part of Megadeth’s sound, so I’m not a hater. I’m just really disappointed that this came to light because he seemed like such a cool guy. Not the actions you would expect from a “born again Christian” :-\
True but look at how people act now vs then, We didn't have cancel culture happening.
You're talking about the bass player in a thrash band that's run by an ego-maniacal asshole who was a raging alcoholic and drug addict for between 10 and 20 years. And, I'm a Megadeth fan. What kind of image are you talking about?!? People who have done way worse have been able to maintain careers (Vince Neil, anyone?!?). In the grand scheme of things, him jerking it is not that big a deal.
If his position is that Metallica should have worked with him to give him an opportunity at redemption and preserve the relationship, well then he should do the same.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Mustaine wanted Ellefson out and this whole scandal was just an excuse.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Mustaine wanted Ellefson out and this whole scandal was just an excuse.
This is my best guess too. I dont really think what he did was anything worse than cheating on your wife which typically doesn't get you fired. But the press release mentions an already strained relationship, I guess this was just the tipping point.
True but the claims also said the woman was underage and was being "groomed". Even though the woman came out and said everything was consensual, but there's no denying the "underage" association with Dave E. and Megadeth would have a negative effect in the band, specially in this age.
I struggle with these things. It's Dave's band and he can do with it what he wants. If he thinks this will damage the brand so be it. But to make it a moral question is sort of sketch to me. She's 19, she's able to form consent in all U.S. jurisdictions that I'm aware of; whether Ellefson's wife is up for it or not is up to her, and not Mustaine's business. As for the act itself, it's not my thing (the video and online part; no comment on the other part! :)) but then again, so what? There's plenty out there that I wouldn't do that is certainly no one else's place to judge.
I doubt it’s punishment as much as PR clean up. I doubt Mustaine wants to spend his promotion cycle discussing this. He wants to talk about the album and tour. So he’s ditching the bad press. I doubt it’s more than that to be honest.
Well, since this topic is now kind of eeew....I hope the replacement bass player is as hot as Kiko. :o I will be seeing Megadeth in August.
Nope, I can't seem to summon one ounce of sympathy for a 56 year old dude who thought beating off in full view on video and giving it to some kid who's young enough to be his daughter was something he should do. Trust me, guys, unless you're taking huge doses of testosterone and snorting cialis at 56 years old it's exceedingly rare that your little head is going to be making any decisions for you in the same way it did when you were in your 20's and 30's. That's not to say you can't have a thriving and fulfilling sex life as a 56-year-old dude. And I get it, man, I really do. Banging your presumably 50-something-year-old wife is probably kind of like throwing a hotdog into a hallway, so, I get the allure of a 19-year-old's body and spank the monkey all you want if that's what tickles your nuts, but don't do it on video, dumbass. :facepalm:
This should not have cost Ellefson his job. That statement is dumb as the woman, and I mean woman, made a statement about what happened shortly after the initial story broke.
"Yes, those video calls did happen, but I was the one to initiate it and never was I underage, I was always a consenting adult. Nothing inappropriate ever happened before that. It was all consensual, I'm not a victim and I have not been groomed in the slightest as I was the one to initiate it," the woman stated.
2 consenting adults doing something. Yes, he's married. Did he kill someone, rape someone, etc? What really bothers me is looking at all of the comments on his firing and seeing the term pedo being thrown around. Dude had a non-contact sexual encounter with another adult and is having his life and career affected in a bad way.
It's just not right. Who wants to bet that Mustaine now has all of the bass redone on the new album?
But I think Mustaine has been wanting to jettison Ellefson ever since the lawsuit debacle and this gave him the pretext he needed.Wait - what lawsuit debacle?
This should not have cost Ellefson his job. That statement is dumb as the woman, and I mean woman, made a statement about what happened shortly after the initial story broke.
"Yes, those video calls did happen, but I was the one to initiate it and never was I underage, I was always a consenting adult. Nothing inappropriate ever happened before that. It was all consensual, I'm not a victim and I have not been groomed in the slightest as I was the one to initiate it," the woman stated.
2 consenting adults doing something. Yes, he's married. Did he kill someone, rape someone, etc? What really bothers me is looking at all of the comments on his firing and seeing the term pedo being thrown around. Dude had a non-contact sexual encounter with another adult and is having his life and career affected in a bad way.
It's just not right. Who wants to bet that Mustaine now has all of the bass redone on the new album?
You're right. But things in life have consequences and some of them concern your boss. :eek :facepalm:
This should not have cost Ellefson his job. That statement is dumb as the woman, and I mean woman, made a statement about what happened shortly after the initial story broke.
"Yes, those video calls did happen, but I was the one to initiate it and never was I underage, I was always a consenting adult. Nothing inappropriate ever happened before that. It was all consensual, I'm not a victim and I have not been groomed in the slightest as I was the one to initiate it," the woman stated.
2 consenting adults doing something. Yes, he's married. Did he kill someone, rape someone, etc? What really bothers me is looking at all of the comments on his firing and seeing the term pedo being thrown around. Dude had a non-contact sexual encounter with another adult and is having his life and career affected in a bad way.
It's just not right. Who wants to bet that Mustaine now has all of the bass redone on the new album?
You're right. But things in life have consequences and some of them concern your boss. :eek :facepalm:
Yep. That's the punishment due.
This should not have cost Ellefson his job. That statement is dumb as the woman, and I mean woman, made a statement about what happened shortly after the initial story broke.
"Yes, those video calls did happen, but I was the one to initiate it and never was I underage, I was always a consenting adult. Nothing inappropriate ever happened before that. It was all consensual, I'm not a victim and I have not been groomed in the slightest as I was the one to initiate it," the woman stated.
2 consenting adults doing something. Yes, he's married. Did he kill someone, rape someone, etc? What really bothers me is looking at all of the comments on his firing and seeing the term pedo being thrown around. Dude had a non-contact sexual encounter with another adult and is having his life and career affected in a bad way.
It's just not right. Who wants to bet that Mustaine now has all of the bass redone on the new album?
You're right. But things in life have consequences and some of them concern your boss. :eek :facepalm:
Yep. That's the punishment due.
It was his reckoning day.
This should not have cost Ellefson his job. That statement is dumb as the woman, and I mean woman, made a statement about what happened shortly after the initial story broke.
"Yes, those video calls did happen, but I was the one to initiate it and never was I underage, I was always a consenting adult. Nothing inappropriate ever happened before that. It was all consensual, I'm not a victim and I have not been groomed in the slightest as I was the one to initiate it," the woman stated.
2 consenting adults doing something. Yes, he's married. Did he kill someone, rape someone, etc? What really bothers me is looking at all of the comments on his firing and seeing the term pedo being thrown around. Dude had a non-contact sexual encounter with another adult and is having his life and career affected in a bad way.
It's just not right. Who wants to bet that Mustaine now has all of the bass redone on the new album?
You're right. But things in life have consequences and some of them concern your boss. :eek :facepalm:
Yep. That's the punishment due.
It was his reckoning day.
I bet he was sweating bullets when he found out that leaked.
The whole message from Dave tells it all. He doesn't know every detail but there was already a strained relationship so now he has an excuse to can him. Case closed.
I'd love to see Newsted step in.
I'd love to see Newsted step in.
I'd love to see Newsted step in.
I can't see JN stepping in anyway as he has his little bluesy band now. Anyway it wasn't james and lars that were the problem - it was not being allowed to do side projects.
Megadeth have had like 50 members over the years and a grand total of 1 person has ever quit Metallica.
Not going to happen. He said recently that he can’t even keep up with Metallica’s stuff anymore, what chance does he have playing Megadeth tunes?
How much more badass would Mustaine be if he just said "I'm not going to fire a band member because he jerks off. End of story, now let's move on". But instead, he chose to cave for the politically correct...oh well.
As people have already stated, this was Dave getting an out to do something he's obviously wanted to do for a while. He's a huge fucking hypocrite. Dave can be a raging alcoholic, drug-abusing asshole for decades and it's fine. DE gets caught in a compromising position where the only thing that was hurt was his squeaky-clean image and he's done. But, that's what happens when you're no longer a real "member" of a band. You can get cut for any reason at all.
Mustaine must've creamed himself when this came to light. "Finally! I can finally be the only long-time Megadeth member. I can get rid of that goody-two-shoes Ellefson once and for all." The problem is Dave is the only person on this planet who I've ever heard have one bad thing to say about Junior. This could've easily blown over by the time their new album comes out... if he'd let it.
When you are the boss, you have these privileges. I don't see the problem. Dave may be a hypocrite but as I said, he's the boss so more power to him.I totally agree with what you've said. But, to me, Mustaine almost looks worse than Ellefson. There'll be more talk of him firing Ellefson than of what David actually did.
When you are the boss, you have these privileges. I don't see the problem. Dave may be a hypocrite but as I said, he's the boss so more power to him.I totally agree with what you've said. But, to me, Mustaine almost looks worse than Ellefson. There'll be more talk of him firing Ellefson than of what David actually did.
You're talking about the bass player in a thrash band that's run by an ego-maniacal asshole who was a raging alcoholic and drug addict for between 10 and 20 years. And, I'm a Megadeth fan. What kind of image are you talking about?!? People who have done way worse have been able to maintain careers (Vince Neil, anyone?!?). In the grand scheme of things, him jerking it is not that big a deal. I, myself, never sought out any videos or pictures of what he did. So, anytime I see them from now on, this certainly won't be entering my thoughts at all. The dude wasn't thinking with the head on his shoulders. He did no harm to himself or anyone else. He just became a little more human. In a perfect world, this non-issue would be gone by the next time the bass intro to "Peace Sells" was done.
Truthfully, I don't know why I should care, either. In the grand scheme of things, it has no impact on my life. I'm sure Ellefson will land just fine. I guess I just feel bad for the guy.When you are the boss, you have these privileges. I don't see the problem. Dave may be a hypocrite but as I said, he's the boss so more power to him.I totally agree with what you've said. But, to me, Mustaine almost looks worse than Ellefson. There'll be more talk of him firing Ellefson than of what David actually did.
Maybe, but I doubt Mustaine really cares.
Truthfully, I don't know why I should care, either. In the grand scheme of things, it has no impact on my life. I'm sure Ellefson will land just fine. I guess I just feel bad for the guy.When you are the boss, you have these privileges. I don't see the problem. Dave may be a hypocrite but as I said, he's the boss so more power to him.I totally agree with what you've said. But, to me, Mustaine almost looks worse than Ellefson. There'll be more talk of him firing Ellefson than of what David actually did.
Maybe, but I doubt Mustaine really cares.
I'd love to see Newsted step in.
Geddy Lee is available.
I'd love to see Newsted step in.
Maybe I'm overthinking - and I know the answer here; it all depends on the contract under which Ellefson was a salaried member - but it's a shade hard to believe that if Mustaine really wanted to do this, that he "needed" this to do it. There's no union here like in sports (where there are limitations as to when you can break a contract with a player, and where "morals" clauses are common). And as Kotowboy has pointed out, this isn't the first member of Megadeth to be sent packing, and not all of them had incidents like this.
I've been following this story and I think it was the right move by Mustaine. I mean, there are so many variables involved in this situation -- was the girl an underage fan when the videos began as was alleged, and did Ellefson use his status as a rockstar to take advantage of her? Also, there's no way of knowing if there are MORE videos (or girls) out there that would surface as the band releases their new album and goes on tour. You can't risk that. It would overshadow everything the band is doing and it would come up in every interview, etc. Better to cut ties now, in my opinion.
I also wonder if Megadeth will re-record his bass parts for the new album and if Portnoy will still work with him in Metal Allegiance.
I've been following this story and I think it was the right move by Mustaine. I mean, there are so many variables involved in this situation -- was the girl an underage fan when the videos began as was alleged, and did Ellefson use his status as a rockstar to take advantage of her? Also, there's no way of knowing if there are MORE videos (or girls) out there that would surface as the band releases their new album and goes on tour. You can't risk that. It would overshadow everything the band is doing and it would come up in every interview, etc. Better to cut ties now, in my opinion.
I also wonder if Megadeth will re-record his bass parts for the new album and if Portnoy will still work with him in Metal Allegiance.
Didn't the girl come out saying she was not a minor and everything was consensual, no grooming and she initiated? Of course there could be more to the story that played a role, but if the female says all this, it's really hard for me to assume anything worse than sexting while married.
Know who could be an excellent bass player for Megadeth? Michael Lepond.Mike Lepond is one of the best bass players out there imo, and he could easily pull off Megadeth tunes. I know the money would be better, but I would hate to see him leave SX which would be a step backwards for him. His three solo albums are amazing too.
When I was in Michigan last week I saw a promo spot for Megadeth and Lamb Of God tour this summer.
Know who could be an excellent bass player for Megadeth? Michael Lepond.Mike Lepond is one of the best bass players out there imo, and he could easily pull off Megadeth tunes. I know the money would be better, but I would hate to see him leave SX which would be a step backwards for him. His three solo albums are amazing too.
But yeah, if he was in Megadeth I'd probably listen to them more.. :metal
My hunch is that if the messaging started before she was 18 he'd already be in handcuffs. That would likely be a federal offense, and there are no shortage of ambitious cops who'd love to bust a degenerate pedophile rockstar for manufacturing child pornography. A rookie cop could have figured out the whats, wheres, and whens in half a day's work.I've been following this story and I think it was the right move by Mustaine. I mean, there are so many variables involved in this situation -- was the girl an underage fan when the videos began as was alleged, and did Ellefson use his status as a rockstar to take advantage of her? Also, there's no way of knowing if there are MORE videos (or girls) out there that would surface as the band releases their new album and goes on tour. You can't risk that. It would overshadow everything the band is doing and it would come up in every interview, etc. Better to cut ties now, in my opinion.
I also wonder if Megadeth will re-record his bass parts for the new album and if Portnoy will still work with him in Metal Allegiance.
Didn't the girl come out saying she was not a minor and everything was consensual, no grooming and she initiated? Of course there could be more to the story that played a role, but if the female says all this, it's really hard for me to assume anything worse than sexting while married.
The girl did say that, but there are rumors or talk that the messages started before she was of legal age.
The funny thing is that there's a bit of a precedent to the Dave Ellefson mess.
I quote from Mustaine's 2010 autobiography, in which he refers to one of the reasons he decided to cut loose with drummer Nick Menza:
"God only knows what Nick was thinking when he said he started an Internet business called NiXXXpix, featuring exactly the sort of content you might imagine. The World Wide Web was still the Wild West at this time, and I'm sure Nick saw dollar signs with this venture. I'm not averse to making money. I'm not even necessarily opposed to musicians banging strippers and porn stars on the road. But I do know one thing: I don't want to be associated with porno. Toss morality out the window for a moment, and consider it purely from a business and professional standpoint. Porn is the ultimate dead end for an artist. The public is more forgiving of drug addicts and criminals than it is of those in the sex trade. Career-wise, you just don't come back from it. When you go down that road, you don't ever go mainstream again. End of story. Well, maybe if you're just the drummer, and people don't know you that well, then you can come back from it. Megadeth was my band, and to have my drummer selling content to habitual masturbators was not something I viewed as good for business. Or for me, personally."
Yes, he has managed to lead Megadeth to an extremely vast and consistent discography.
Say what you want about the guy, but he is metal savant talented.
Not to mention his impact on Kill 'Em All, which remains easily my favorite Metallica album.
My hunch is that if the messaging started before she was 18 he'd already be in handcuffs. That would likely be a federal offense, and there are no shortage of ambitious cops who'd love to bust a degenerate pedophile rockstar for manufacturing child pornography. A rookie cop could have figured out the whats, wheres, and whens in half a day's work.
Yes, he has managed to lead Megadeth to an extremely vast and consistent discography.
Say what you want about the guy, but he is metal savant talented.
Not to mention his impact on Kill 'Em All, which remains easily my favorite Metallica album.
I was looking for some info to post about the "Megadeth" I like, and I was blown away that he/they have FIVE consecutive platinum albums and one multiplatinum record. I would have said "one, tops" (Peace Sells...)
EDIT: WOW. All Metallica's albums except H...TSD are MULTI-platnum, even St. Anger. And H...TSD is platinum itself. Learn something new....
No expert on the topic of Metallica's inner workings, but I think the context of his firing from Metallica is quite different. That seemed more more of a Jon Shaffer/Tuomas move (termination without notification beforehand). In this instance, Megadeth put out a statement a while ago stating there were closely following he developments before the firing and there obviously have been discussions behind the scenes.
In the end it boils down that boss doesn't like employee and that boss does not want this controversy to outshine the new product about to be released.
Anyways, on a sidenote I personally am very glad that Dave was kicked out of Metallica because he went on to produce good metal for decades, whereas Metallica had a very good peak and did very little after that (purely talking about studio output, I know Metallica can put out a hell of a show).
Megadeth on the other hand, never did have a spot in the limelight and never would have...
Should Metallica had the gift of foresight and realize what a great guitarist he would become?
Dave Ellefson speaks up:
https://loudwire.com/david-ellefson-statement-megadeth-split-revenge-porn-charges/
Of course they did. Just because they weren't as huge as Metallica doesn't mean they didn't have a spot in the limelight. If being as huge as Metallica was the standard for fame, then hardly anyone is famous. Other than Metallica, Megadeth's run from Countdown through Cryptic is about as mainstream famous as one could reasonably expect for a thrash band. They were all over radio and MTV during that stretch, and those albums sold like crazy. They've had quite a bit of "mainstream" success.
I wonder who will replace him for the tour and going forward?
I wonder who will replace him for the tour and going forward?
Probably another jerk off.
I'm sorry.
Megadeth on the other hand, never did have a spot in the limelight and never would have...
Of course they did. Just because they weren't as huge as Metallica doesn't mean they didn't have a spot in the limelight. If being as huge as Metallica was the standard for fame, then hardly anyone is famous. Other than Metallica, Megadeth's run from Countdown through Cryptic is about as mainstream famous as one could reasonably expect for a thrash band. They were all over radio and MTV during that stretch, and those albums sold like crazy. They've had quite a bit of "mainstream" success.
Dave Ellefson speaks up:
https://loudwire.com/david-ellefson-statement-megadeth-split-revenge-porn-charges/
I wonder who will replace him for the tour and going forward?
And I think Robert Trujillo made a big difference and got the guys to up their enthusiasm to make music.
And I think Robert Trujillo made a big difference and got the guys to up their enthusiasm to make music.
Oh I totally agree and have said this before. Trujillo is old school and they really can't look him in the eye and mail it in.
Dave Ellefson speaks up:
https://loudwire.com/david-ellefson-statement-megadeth-split-revenge-porn-charges/
They can't look him in the eye anyway, with that crab walk thing he does. Newsted's neck is toast, and Trujillo's knees are soon to be toast.:lol
I wonder who will replace him for the tour and going forward?
My money is on Sting or Flea.
I own all the Megadeth albums to 'World Needs a Hero' which I thought was pretty crap, I don't think I've heard a single song after that.
I know must fans consider Rust, Countdown and Peace Sells as their strongest albums, but 'Youthanasia' was always my favorite.
I wonder who will replace him for the tour and going forward?
My money is on Sting or Flea.
My guess is that it'll be your fellow countryman Felipe Andreoli, due to his connection with Kiko. It'd probably be just the tour though. I don't see him ditching Angra.
I own all the Megadeth albums to 'World Needs a Hero' which I thought was pretty crap, I don't think I've heard a single song after that.
I know must fans consider Rust, Countdown and Peace Sells as their strongest albums, but 'Youthanasia' was always my favorite.
Dave Ellefson speaks up:
https://loudwire.com/david-ellefson-statement-megadeth-split-revenge-porn-charges/
Maybe it's the tech noob in me, but how can it be filmed without his knowledge?
I own all the Megadeth albums to 'World Needs a Hero' which I thought was pretty crap, I don't think I've heard a single song after that.
I know must fans consider Rust, Countdown and Peace Sells as their strongest albums, but 'Youthanasia' was always my favorite.
A large segment consider Peace Sells their best (not me personally) so you can't really leave that one out.
Dave Ellefson speaks up:
https://loudwire.com/david-ellefson-statement-megadeth-split-revenge-porn-charges/ (https://loudwire.com/david-ellefson-statement-megadeth-split-revenge-porn-charges/)
Maybe it's the tech noob in me, but how can it be filmed without his knowledge?
I own all the Megadeth albums to 'World Needs a Hero' which I thought was pretty crap, I don't think I've heard a single song after that.
I know must fans consider Rust, Countdown and Peace Sells as their strongest albums, but 'Youthanasia' was always my favorite.
A large segment consider Peace Sells their best (not me personally) so you can't really leave that one out.
It's his best seller, for what that's worth.
I own all the Megadeth albums to 'World Needs a Hero' which I thought was pretty crap, I don't think I've heard a single song after that.
I know must fans consider Rust, Countdown and Peace Sells as their strongest albums, but 'Youthanasia' was always my favorite.
A large segment consider Peace Sells their best (not me personally) so you can't really leave that one out.
It's his best seller, for what that's worth.
But who's buying?
Dave Ellefson speaks up:
https://loudwire.com/david-ellefson-statement-megadeth-split-revenge-porn-charges/
Maybe it's the tech noob in me, but how can it be filmed without his knowledge?
All I know is my iMac has a bandaid over the camera, and my iPad has a piece of blue painter's tape over the camera. Never can be too careful! :) :) :)
Just catching up to all this drama, crazy past few days.Dave Ellefson speaks up:
https://loudwire.com/david-ellefson-statement-megadeth-split-revenge-porn-charges/ (https://loudwire.com/david-ellefson-statement-megadeth-split-revenge-porn-charges/)
Maybe it's the tech noob in me, but how can it be filmed without his knowledge?
In this case when two people are webcamming with each other, one person could have been on a regular computer. That person could have been recording their screen (there are many software applications that allow you to record your screen) without the other person ever knowing it was being recorded on the other end.
Personally if you're doing that kind of stuff I'd automatically assume everything gets recorded.
^which is why I said what he did was profoundly fucking stupid. Especially for a guy of his age.
^which is why I said what he did was profoundly fucking stupid. Especially for a guy of his age.
^which is why I said what he did was profoundly fucking stupid. Especially for a guy of his age.
Mate, I agree. He deserves the backlash he gets here IMO, it's mental.
^which is why I said what he did was profoundly fucking stupid. Especially for a guy of his age.
Mate, I agree. He deserves the backlash he gets here IMO, it's mental.
Wonder if he still has his gig as a church pastor? ;D
^which is why I said what he did was profoundly fucking stupid. Especially for a guy of his age.
Mate, I agree. He deserves the backlash he gets here IMO, it's mental.
Wonder if he still has his gig as a church pastor? ;D
I can't believe Ellefson is still doing cameos through all of this. He looks miserable in the more recent ones. Link: https://www.cameo.com/davidellefson
Because we each deserve the worst of all consequences for the dumb mistakes we make. On the bright side, the dude's embarassed, ashamed, and he's lost his livelihood. Being called stupid and mental by anonymous internet folk is probably a nice respite right now.^which is why I said what he did was profoundly fucking stupid. Especially for a guy of his age.
Mate, I agree. He deserves the backlash he gets here IMO, it's mental.
Because we each deserve the worst of all consequences for the dumb mistakes we make. On the bright side, the dude's embarassed, ashamed, and he's lost his livelihood. Being called stupid and mental by anonymous internet folk is probably a nice respite right now.^which is why I said what he did was profoundly fucking stupid. Especially for a guy of his age.
Mate, I agree. He deserves the backlash he gets here IMO, it's mental.
My guess is that the new bassist will be some younger and relatively unknown (read: cheap) guy, who's just happy to be playing in one of his favourite bands.
And therein lies the real reason I believe that Mustaine was booted from Metallica... that fantastically outsized ego. Of course this is all speculation, but I got the sense that Lars and James didn't want such a strong personality in their midst, and ended up using the alcohol abuse as a facile excuse to cut him loose. As good a guitarist/songwriter as Mustaine might have been, he was kind of a threat, whereas Kirk Hammett slotted much more easily into the vision that Lars and James had for the band.
I think a lot of 50+ year old people are still struggling to understand the technological advancements that resulted in the internet transformation from what it was at the times of the Geocities kinda frontiers era, to the current state and how essential it is to always assume your interactions are being watched/recorded, never assume otherwise, no matter the settings.Damn fine point, amigo. My stepfather rang me up for some computer advice the other day, and told me I could get back to him at an AOL address. :lol
All I've got to say is that Mustaine is such a fuckin dipshit, I know it's well established, but it's been a while since he's reminded us of that fact.Also a damn fine point. I'd guess that in Mustaine's case he does get this. I figure it's partly that he just didn't want him in his band anymore, and partly that he's, inexplicably, rather uptight, maybe even prudish.
I mean really, Megadeth disassociating from Ellefson over this? is Mustiane unaware of the kinda fanbase Megadeth has? You're not part of the culture that expects corrective actions over something like this.
And it's not like you're gonna lose sponsorship or radio play, you already don't have those things, there are no "new" Megadeth fans! it's the same bunch of people since circa. mid-00's.
I think a lot of 50+ year old people are still struggling to understand the technological advancements that resulted in the internet transformation from what it was at the times of the Geocities kinda frontiers era, to the current state and how essential it is to always assume your interactions are being watched/recorded, never assume otherwise, no matter the settings.
All I've got to say is that Mustaine is such a fuckin dipshit, I know it's well established, but it's been a while since he's reminded us of that fact.
I mean really, Megadeth disassociating from Ellefson over this? is Mustiane unaware of the kinda fanbase Megadeth has? You're not part of the culture that expects corrective actions over something like this.
And it's not like you're gonna lose sponsorship or radio play, you already don't have those things, there are no "new" Megadeth fans! it's the same bunch of people since circa. mid-00's.
My stepfather rang me up for some computer advice the other day, and told me I could get back to him at an AOL address. :lol
And therein lies the real reason I believe that Mustaine was booted from Metallica... that fantastically outsized ego. Of course this is all speculation, but I got the sense that Lars and James didn't want such a strong personality in their midst, and ended up using the alcohol abuse as a facile excuse to cut him loose. As good a guitarist/songwriter as Mustaine might have been, he was kind of a threat, whereas Kirk Hammett slotted much more easily into the vision that Lars and James had for the band.
I meant to get back to this. I think you're totally right. I don't think they loved hos personality, especially when drinking obviously, but it was probably his unpredictability that likely did him in. I just think Lars and James had a vision for their band, and they probably couldn't put their (the band's mission) trust totally in Mustaine.
I think a lot of 50+ year old people are still struggling to understand the technological advancements that resulted in the internet transformation from what it was at the times of the Geocities kinda frontiers era, to the current state and how essential it is to always assume your interactions are being watched/recorded, never assume otherwise, no matter the settings.
All I've got to say is that Mustaine is such a fuckin dipshit, I know it's well established, but it's been a while since he's reminded us of that fact.
I mean really, Megadeth disassociating from Ellefson over this? is Mustiane unaware of the kinda fanbase Megadeth has? You're not part of the culture that expects corrective actions over something like this.
And it's not like you're gonna lose sponsorship or radio play, you already don't have those things, there are no "new" Megadeth fans! it's the same bunch of people since circa. mid-00's.
I think a lot of 50+ year old people are still struggling to understand the technological advancements that resulted in the internet transformation from what it was at the times of the Geocities kinda frontiers era, to the current state and how essential it is to always assume your interactions are being watched/recorded, never assume otherwise, no matter the settings.Damn fine point, amigo. My stepfather rang me up for some computer advice the other day, and told me I could get back to him at an AOL address. :lol
Still, he's savvy enough to be doing Cameo and whatnot, so he's not completely computer illiterate. This just probably didn't occur to him.
In any case, the fact that he brought this on himself doesn't prevent me from feeling bad for the guy. It's not like he's the only one to do something foolish, and he's been punished for it to the extreme. More than he deserves, honestly. As Mayor Quimby wished his guests, "and may all your indiscretions remain private."
Still, he's savvy enough to be doing Cameo and whatnot, so he's not completely computer illiterate. This just probably didn't occur to him.
In any case, the fact that he brought this on himself doesn't prevent me from feeling bad for the guy. It's not like he's the only one to do something foolish, and he's been punished for it to the extreme. More than he deserves, honestly. As Mayor Quimby wished his guests, "and may all your indiscretions remain private."
I figure it's partly that he just didn't want him in his band anymore, and partly that he's, inexplicably, rather uptight, maybe even prudish.
It's a what Dave had no choice but to do to keep the band, his business, safe. There's too much uncertainty with legal cases, and too much that can happen in regards while out touring. Touring is where I think Daves mind is set on with his business. What Dave is doing is looking out for the shorter-term and longer term for the band, as what matters right now is Touring.
It's not that Dave is a dipshit. It's just how he does business...and business is good. :biggrin:
Ellefson has his eggs in many baskets. He's writing books, making movies, selling coffee, has a record label. As to how much money he makes from any or all of those things, who knows?!? But, he definitely keeps himself more busy than most musicians out there. I think he's already writing a new chapter in his next music "how-to" book on trusting nobody on the internet and how not to engage in online chats with strangers.I can't believe Ellefson is still doing cameos through all of this. He looks miserable in the more recent ones. Link: https://www.cameo.com/davidellefson
Gotta earn money somehow. He was very vocal about having to give up his ownership in Megadeth to rejoin in 2010, becoming a salaried employee of the band. He made less money, but was happier overall.
I'm wondering if the pandemic and lack of band activity for a full year hurt him enough financially that he started talking about it to Dave (to explain the strained relationship). He did do some solo tours last year when he put out that Ellefson cover record, but it's not like those shows will earn a ton of money.
All I've got to say is that Mustaine is such a fuckin dipshit, I know it's well established, but it's been a while since he's reminded us of that fact.
I mean really, Megadeth disassociating from Ellefson over this?
A: Those outcomes were by no means a certainty. B: The whole world wasn't talking about it. At least not until Dave sacked him. C: If I believed he'd been wronged, and I felt I could make a statement to that effect by keeping him on, then yeah. After all, there's always D. D: Estimates of Dave's net worth are between 18-25 million. I don't put much stock in estimates such as those, but I do think it's fair to say that he's made the bulk of the money he's ever going to make. The chances that this album and tour tank because of this aren't very high, and more importantly, the chances that this album and tour are what's going to turn him into the next Jay Z are much, much lower. At this point, I think his albums and tours are essentially vanity projects.All I've got to say is that Mustaine is such a fuckin dipshit, I know it's well established, but it's been a while since he's reminded us of that fact.
I mean really, Megadeth disassociating from Ellefson over this?
So if it was your band and brand, you'd tag along with you a guy that just whacked off to a teenager and has the whole world talking about him being a groomer? You'd risk your brand, your tour, your sales and everyting over loyatly to the guy dumb enough to get himself into this perdicament? and you call him the fuckin dipshit?
Courtesy of everyone's favorite metal tabloid, Blabbermouth...
Earlier today (Sunday, May 30), Jason's wife Nicole took to her Instagram to pour cold water on fans' hopes of seeing her husband share the stage with Dave Mustaine and company.
She wrote: "Hi guys! Two things
"1. Jason is not joining MEGADETH. peace to them. Listen to metal
"2. Jason does not have social media accounts; this includes but is not limited to TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Onlyfans and Tinder. "If you are receiving dm's from the Jason Newsted music account or any other account claiming to be Jason please know this is not Jason and proceed at your own risk".
I think a lot of 50+ year old people are still struggling to understand the technological advancements that resulted in the internet transformation from what it was at the times of the Geocities kinda frontiers era, to the current state and how essential it is to always assume your interactions are being watched/recorded, never assume otherwise, no matter the settings.
All I've got to say is that Mustaine is such a fuckin dipshit, I know it's well established, but it's been a while since he's reminded us of that fact.
I mean really, Megadeth disassociating from Ellefson over this? is Mustiane unaware of the kinda fanbase Megadeth has? You're not part of the culture that expects corrective actions over something like this.
And it's not like you're gonna lose sponsorship or radio play, you already don't have those things, there are no "new" Megadeth fans! it's the same bunch of people since circa. mid-00's.
uh, no, that's not really what I was trying to say at all. All I was saying really is if it WERE illegal, then I would understand if they fired him for it, but since what he did WASN'T against the law it's even more absurd that he was fired from his band for it. It seems like a harsh penalty to pay for a completely legal sexual indiscretion. No moving of any bars required.
The sad thing is this story was all but dead until Dave succumbed to today's cancel culture and fired him for whatever the real reason is.
If you are defending him, you are probably spending too much time whacking off to little girls too.Can we please not start making snarky comments like this now?!? Whether or not you meant to be funny, it's totally unnecessary and doesn't accomplish anything but make me want to fire back with some kind of shitty comment of my own.
It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship) and Ellefson has been capitalizing on the brand, books gigs etc. then he gets caught whacking off to a teen fan. I don't understand why so many people are having a hard time seeing why Mustaine fired him and decide to start calling him all the names. You want to represent the brand and then are stupid enough to beat off on camera? I'd fire his ass too. If you are defending him, you are probably spending too much time whacking off to little girls too.
It all depends on what the contract he signed says. And apparently the band has a zero tolerance policy for this kind of act while in contract with the band.I'm fairly confident that you just put 15 times more thought into the decision than Mustaine did. Nobody's questioning DM's legal right to fire him. Some of us are just calling him an asshole and a hypocrite. And as for the Megadeth brand, it is exactly what it is. It's well established and it's not going anywhere. Keeping DE in the band doesn't harm the brand at all. Mustaine's sense of decency and his enormous ego were the only things impacted, and here we are.
And if he finds fault, he could sue. But I guarantee he won't sue the band, because he knew what he signed. He should've known what this kind of act would cause if it did happen to be recorded and leaked, which it did.
He is doing the right thing by suing those who did leak this video out. They're the ones who did the defamation, not Dave. Dave and Megadeth were caught in a rut by Ellefsons decision, and the attention it caused for both Ellefson and the Megadeth brand.
And Dave is doing what is best overall for the band. As with any company, you (the employee), represent the company. Anything you do, especially in company uniform and on the job, is a representation for the company and it's image and reputation. When that customer walks in, you the employee are expected to give the customer the best service that best represents the policies and values of the company.
Here in this instance, Ellefson did not represent the company in a good light, and in turn caused a bit of a negative representation to the Megadeth brand.
That's how I see why Mustaine chose to fire Ellefson, regardless of legality of the action performed by Ellefson that caused him to be in the spotlight. And, depending on that contract he signed with the band as an employer, I feel Mustaine was in the right to be concerned for his Band and Brand of Megadeth. It was just a business decision that he felt was the best choice to make, regardless of feelings, and apparently there were already some mixed feelings already brewing.
And also, Businesses are only doing this as a reaction to all the outcry the MeToo movement has been very vocal and demanding about. It's why every business is disassociating themselves from their employees that are involved in this type of reputation caused by an employees actions. It also doesn't help when what you are employed for is responsible for the light that always shines on you. You are always under the spotlight when you are in a band, an actor, or in any Business/Industry where you can be Idolized and seen as a Role-Model.
I'll just ditto this, rather than firing back with my own brand of shitty comment.If you are defending him, you are probably spending too much time whacking off to little girls too.Can we please not start making snarky comments like this now?!? Whether or not you meant to be funny, it's totally unnecessary and doesn't accomplish anything but make me want to fire back with some kind of shitty comment of my own.
If you are defending him, you are probably spending too much time whacking off to little girls too.Not the way we do things here, and you have been around long enough to know that. Knock it off.
If you are defending him, you are probably spending too much time whacking off to little girls too.
It all depends on what the contract he signed says. And apparently the band has a zero tolerance policy for this kind of act while in contract with the band.I'm fairly confident that you just put 15 times more thought into the decision than Mustaine did. Nobody's questioning DM's legal right to fire him. Some of us are just calling him an asshole and a hypocrite. And as for the Megadeth brand, it is exactly what it is. It's well established and it's not going anywhere. Keeping DE in the band doesn't harm the brand at all. Mustaine's sense of decency and his enormous ego were the only things impacted, and here we are.
And if he finds fault, he could sue. But I guarantee he won't sue the band, because he knew what he signed. He should've known what this kind of act would cause if it did happen to be recorded and leaked, which it did.
He is doing the right thing by suing those who did leak this video out. They're the ones who did the defamation, not Dave. Dave and Megadeth were caught in a rut by Ellefsons decision, and the attention it caused for both Ellefson and the Megadeth brand.
And Dave is doing what is best overall for the band. As with any company, you (the employee), represent the company. Anything you do, especially in company uniform and on the job, is a representation for the company and it's image and reputation. When that customer walks in, you the employee are expected to give the customer the best service that best represents the policies and values of the company.
Here in this instance, Ellefson did not represent the company in a good light, and in turn caused a bit of a negative representation to the Megadeth brand.
That's how I see why Mustaine chose to fire Ellefson, regardless of legality of the action performed by Ellefson that caused him to be in the spotlight. And, depending on that contract he signed with the band as an employer, I feel Mustaine was in the right to be concerned for his Band and Brand of Megadeth. It was just a business decision that he felt was the best choice to make, regardless of feelings, and apparently there were already some mixed feelings already brewing.
And also, Businesses are only doing this as a reaction to all the outcry the MeToo movement has been very vocal and demanding about. It's why every business is disassociating themselves from their employees that are involved in this type of reputation caused by an employees actions. It also doesn't help when what you are employed for is responsible for the light that always shines on you. You are always under the spotlight when you are in a band, an actor, or in any Business/Industry where you can be Idolized and seen as a Role-Model.
Maybe Dave is just concerned that Kiko and Dirk could be affected.
It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.
Maybe Dave is just concerned that Kiko and Dirk could be affected.
Yeah...um..NO.
Perhaps he can come back again once this fades away.
It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.
It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.
You're not an addict so I don't expect you to really get how resentments work with addicts but believe me when I tell you, something like this will probably never truly be under the bridge for a guy like Mustaine. Naturally, I have no way of knowing this, it's all conjecture, you know, that thing we do on message boards sometimes :heart
Addicts love to collect and hold on to grievances and a guy like Mustaine, let's just say he comes across to me as the kind of guy who would never forget something like that. I see petty shit over smaller issues than this in the business world all the time. Dave let him back in the band, I'm guessing, because it made it a better band, purely a business decision. But he took this offramp the minute it presented itself. As many have pointed out here there was nothing illegal that happened here. It was stupid, and I suppose it was damaging to the Megadeth brand to the extent that there is a brand out there to be damaged by something like this, but I have a feeling if you polled 1000 random Megadeth fans not many of them would even know this shit happened.
I only found out about it because of this forum.
It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.
At what point in time do you decide it's okay that the guy that you made sues you and then all of this isn't a strain? I'm sure if someone sued you it would never be water under the bridge, even if it was in 2004. I think all of this falls into the category of a strained relationship. When would you forgive the guy?
Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.
Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.
It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.
At what point in time do you decide it's okay that the guy that you made sues you and then all of this isn't a strain? I'm sure if someone sued you it would never be water under the bridge, even if it was in 2004. I think all of this falls into the category of a strained relationship. When would you forgive the guy?
Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.
Re: how do you forgive/lawsuit/“friends”
This is an easy answer that’s difficult to swallow.
Even if we think we’ve let go of the ideal that “4/5 best buds formed a band in their basement and made it huge” there is a part of our subconscious that still clings to that pipe dream. I literally cannot think of a huge band that made it in that way with the exception of Rush.
No matter how anyone attempts to portray themselves in the media, they are in reality just workmates and seeming like “brothers” is a combination of that ideal being good for business, and maybe a hint of shared experience creating a bit of comradeship.
But the lawsuit? Business. You had a business disagreement, you argued about it through the courts because solving it personally was no longer viable. A business arrangement was made, and eventually you may or may not decide to conduct business together again.
From what I can tell, Mustaine may not even like Junior that much, but he’s usually a reliable employee and keeping *some* semblance of “the band” ideal is good for business. But with every little thing that happens, you have to weigh the pros and cons of staying in business together. For now, Mustaine has decided that the cons outweigh the pros. But if that should change for any reason and he decides a reunion will be good for business, the olive branch will be extended.
I hate that this is true, not just with Megadeth, but with literally 99.9% of all the bands you love. Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Aerosmith etc etc etc.
They are unfortunately, workmates. That’s it.
Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.
I'm not defending him per say. I'm also not really a big megadeth fan nor really know much or care about Ellefson at all honestly. It's not personal to me as I don't consider myself a big fan, or really much of a fan at all (I like some megadeth songs). My issue with the whole thing is that even though I think it's wrong to cheat on your wife, what he did was a private legal consensual adult act. The fact that it became public bothers me a bit in the sense that someone actually did do something illegal by posting it online AND it cost him his job. I'm single with no children in case you are wondering. I only flip it onto Mustaine because there's clearly other issues and this seems to be the aim of his blame when we know there's more to Dave not wanting him in the band. I do agree that he should not have done it in the first place or to engage in such things generally as a married man.
Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.
I'm not defending him per say. I'm also not really a big megadeth fan nor really know much or care about Ellefson at all honestly. It's not personal to me as I don't consider myself a big fan, or really much of a fan at all (I like some megadeth songs). My issue with the whole thing is that even though I think it's wrong to cheat on your wife, what he did was a private legal consensual adult act. The fact that it became public bothers me a bit in the sense that someone actually did do something illegal by posting it online AND it cost him his job. I'm single with no children in case you are wondering. I only flip it onto Mustaine because there's clearly other issues and this seems to be the aim of his blame when we know there's more to Dave not wanting him in the band. I do agree that he should not have done it in the first place or to engage in such things generally as a married man.
Fair point. It's interesting to me how profound the impact of technology has been in our everyday lives. As recently as 10 or 15 years ago, before Social Media became the juggernaut that it is now, this story would have never seen the light of day because there was really no way to instantly share something like this with literally the entire planet with just a few clicks.
Three things have made this possible: 1.) phones, laptops and tablets all coming equipped with video cameras, 2.) Broadband Internet, even on cellular connections and 3.) social media.
The convergence of those three elements has led to a massive amount of upheaval and even social change or more precisely the yearning for social change.
If and when I realized that maybe he was right. I mentioned this in a different thread, but Ozzy certainly seems to have gotten over Daisley/Kerslake suing him. Probably because he realized they were right to do so. I have no idea who was in the right re the two Daves, but my hunch is that there's probably fault on all sides; there usually is. Realizing that is when sensible, decent people can put things behind them and move on.It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.
At what point in time do you decide it's okay that the guy that you made sues you and then all of this isn't a strain? I'm sure if someone sued you it would never be water under the bridge, even if it was in 2004. I think all of this falls into the category of a strained relationship. When would you forgive the guy?
Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.You didn't offend me in as much as you offended yourself. What you posted made you come across as a dick. If that wasn't your intention then so be it, but you should consider that when you go around insulting people who don't share your particularly narrow point of view, you're not winning yourself any popularity points. Quite the contrary, in fact.
Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.
I'm not defending him per say. I'm also not really a big megadeth fan nor really know much or care about Ellefson at all honestly. It's not personal to me as I don't consider myself a big fan, or really much of a fan at all (I like some megadeth songs). My issue with the whole thing is that even though I think it's wrong to cheat on your wife, what he did was a private legal consensual adult act. The fact that it became public bothers me a bit in the sense that someone actually did do something illegal by posting it online AND it cost him his job. I'm single with no children in case you are wondering. I only flip it onto Mustaine because there's clearly other issues and this seems to be the aim of his blame when we know there's more to Dave not wanting him in the band. I do agree that he should not have done it in the first place or to engage in such things generally as a married man.
Fair point. It's interesting to me how profound the impact of technology has been in our everyday lives. As recently as 10 or 15 years ago, before Social Media became the juggernaut that it is now, this story would have never seen the light of day because there was really no way to instantly share something like this with literally the entire planet with just a few clicks.
Three things have made this possible: 1.) phones, laptops and tablets all coming equipped with video cameras, 2.) Broadband Internet, even on cellular connections and 3.) social media.
The convergence of those three elements has led to a massive amount of upheaval and even social change or more precisely the yearning for social change.
Well, even with the technology, there is the notion of "what's yours?". I think the social media has influenced that as well. Even with the technology to whack off over video technology, why does someone else ever get to think they can (or should) release that for everyone ELSE to see?
Call me a whackjob, but if I came across someone's intimate photos, my first instinct isn't to blackmail them and put them on the interwebs.
By the way, just putting it out there that when a person is 19 in every state in the US they are well above the age of consent. They highest age of consent states have it set at 18. Once you are 18 you are an adult when it comes to matters of sexual contact with other consenting adults. Full stop. That's the law of the land.Except in Texas, where you can get laid at 17, do porn when you're 18, but as of Tuesday can't dance in a titty bar until you're 21.
"Wait, what?"Two years ago that assessment typically pissed me off. People tended to mistake us for Florida in terms of back-asswards craziness, when we really weren't even close. The last two years have really changed things, though. This place really is becoming that fucking crazy.
"It's Texas"
"Oh, right. Nevermind"
If and when I realized that maybe he was right. I mentioned this in a different thread, but Ozzy certainly seems to have gotten over Daisley/Kerslake suing him. Probably because he realized they were right to do so. I have no idea who was in the right re the two Daves, but my hunch is that there's probably fault on all sides; there usually is. Realizing that is when sensible, decent people can put things behind them and move on.It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.
At what point in time do you decide it's okay that the guy that you made sues you and then all of this isn't a strain? I'm sure if someone sued you it would never be water under the bridge, even if it was in 2004. I think all of this falls into the category of a strained relationship. When would you forgive the guy?QuoteSorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.You didn't offend me in as much as you offended yourself. What you posted made you come across as a dick. If that wasn't your intention then so be it, but you should consider that when you go around insulting people who don't share your particularly narrow point of view, you're not winning yourself any popularity points. Quite the contrary, in fact.
You say that you "can't fathom why some of us are defending him unless you're aligned with him." Maybe some of us simply don't share your values? Yeah, I think that's it.
I didn't call you a dick. I said your post made you come across like one, which may or may not have been your intention. As for our respective values, mine are pretty straight forward. I don't give a fuck what somebody does in their private life. An attitude I extend to everybody, including you. It's simply not my place to judge others for how they get their kicks. It seems that an absence of moral judgement is indeed a value we do not share.If and when I realized that maybe he was right. I mentioned this in a different thread, but Ozzy certainly seems to have gotten over Daisley/Kerslake suing him. Probably because he realized they were right to do so. I have no idea who was in the right re the two Daves, but my hunch is that there's probably fault on all sides; there usually is. Realizing that is when sensible, decent people can put things behind them and move on.It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.
At what point in time do you decide it's okay that the guy that you made sues you and then all of this isn't a strain? I'm sure if someone sued you it would never be water under the bridge, even if it was in 2004. I think all of this falls into the category of a strained relationship. When would you forgive the guy?QuoteSorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.You didn't offend me in as much as you offended yourself. What you posted made you come across as a dick. If that wasn't your intention then so be it, but you should consider that when you go around insulting people who don't share your particularly narrow point of view, you're not winning yourself any popularity points. Quite the contrary, in fact.
You say that you "can't fathom why some of us are defending him unless you're aligned with him." Maybe some of us simply don't share your values? Yeah, I think that's it.
If defending a 60 year old man in a metal band who beats off on camera to young girls aligns with your values, then I am happy that our values don't align. If you think I'm a dick, I couldn't care less, I'm not trying to impress you or be your friend, I maintain great relationships with lots of people in real life who feel the same as I do. I guess I'm lucky to have other dick friends in the real world. I did not join the DT fan forums 20years ago to gain popularity points, as I'm sure you don't know me just like I don't know you. I came here because in real life, you aren't likely to be able to talk about anything related to the band since they aren't well liked or known by the average person. With that being said, if you think I'm a dick, well perception is reality so I guess the same could be said about you.
Well, the two of you certainly don't have to like each other. But you do need to get along reasonably, so let's take it down a notch before it gets taken up a notch, okay? [/humble request from the mod staff]
Well, the two of you certainly don't have to like each other. But you do need to get along reasonably, so let's take it down a notch before it gets taken up a notch, okay? [/humble request from the mod staff]
That said, I don't think there's anything wrong with having strong feelings on either side of the issue. You (everybody) are entitled to feel how you want to feel about the situation. I think the bottom line has already been posted: Mustaine made his decision, and was well within his right to do so, and one can either agree or disagree, think he is right, or think he is an idiot, or some combination of the above.
Well, the two of you certainly don't have to like each other. But you do need to get along reasonably, so let's take it down a notch before it gets taken up a notch, okay? [/humble request from the mod staff]
That said, I don't think there's anything wrong with having strong feelings on either side of the issue. You (everybody) are entitled to feel how you want to feel about the situation. I think the bottom line has already been posted: Mustaine made his decision, and was well within his right to do so, and one can either agree or disagree, think he is right, or think he is an idiot, or some combination of the above.
I think we both made our points, and I'm not here to cause drama. I don't hate or dislike anyone here over it, unfortunately this is today's world. People either agree or disagree, left or right, common ground seems to elude us on all subjects. Peace
On a less serious note , Kiko Loureiro's Facebook account has been hacked by one of those Chinese/Korean accounts that loves to post those "check out this amazing moment etc..." posts and everyone is having plenty of fun at his expense , including a few bands known around these parts (Teramaze for one).
Courtesy of everyone's favorite metal tabloid, Blabbermouth...
Earlier today (Sunday, May 30), Jason's wife Nicole took to her Instagram to pour cold water on fans' hopes of seeing her husband share the stage with Dave Mustaine and company.
She wrote: "Hi guys! Two things
"1. Jason is not joining MEGADETH. peace to them. Listen to metal
"2. Jason does not have social media accounts; this includes but is not limited to TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Onlyfans and Tinder. "If you are receiving dm's from the Jason Newsted music account or any other account claiming to be Jason please know this is not Jason and proceed at your own risk".
If and when I realized that maybe he was right. I mentioned this in a different thread, but Ozzy certainly seems to have gotten over Daisley/Kerslake suing him. Probably because he realized they were right to do so. I have no idea who was in the right re the two Daves, but my hunch is that there's probably fault on all sides; there usually is. Realizing that is when sensible, decent people can put things behind them and move on.It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.
At what point in time do you decide it's okay that the guy that you made sues you and then all of this isn't a strain? I'm sure if someone sued you it would never be water under the bridge, even if it was in 2004. I think all of this falls into the category of a strained relationship. When would you forgive the guy?QuoteSorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.You didn't offend me in as much as you offended yourself. What you posted made you come across as a dick. If that wasn't your intention then so be it, but you should consider that when you go around insulting people who don't share your particularly narrow point of view, you're not winning yourself any popularity points. Quite the contrary, in fact.
You say that you "can't fathom why some of us are defending him unless you're aligned with him." Maybe some of us simply don't share your values? Yeah, I think that's it.
If defending a 60 year old man in a metal band who beats off on camera to young girls aligns with your values, then I am happy that our values don't align. If you think I'm a dick, I couldn't care less, I'm not trying to impress you or be your friend, I maintain great relationships with lots of people in real life who feel the same as I do. I guess I'm lucky to have other dick friends in the real world. I did not join the DT fan forums 20years ago to gain popularity points, as I'm sure you don't know me just like I don't know you. I came here because in real life, you aren't likely to be able to talk about anything related to the band since they aren't well liked or known by the average person. With that being said, if you think I'm a dick, well perception is reality so I guess the same could be said about you.
What exactly are you asking in the last paragraph?If you were in a band with this guy, would you still want to be in a band with this guy? Because everyone is saying "yes, Mustaine should suck it up and be in a band with this guy because he didn't do anything illegal", and yet when people are writing on other sections of the board, they're not that non-judgmental.
What exactly are you asking in the last paragraph?If you were in a band with this guy, would you still want to be in a band with this guy? Because everyone is saying "yes, Mustaine should suck it up and be in a band with this guy because he didn't do anything illegal", and yet when people are writing on other sections of the board, they're not that non-judgmental.
The most baffling point of view you can take on this issue is that this is Mustaine trying to get ahead of cancel culture. Dave Mustaine, seriously? He risks being cancelled by his audience by firing DE more than he would the other way around.
Mentioning an "already strained relationship" makes me think that he sat down and said "great, now this guy I only keep in the band because it was good for the band at the time he rejoined will send girls younger than my daughter videos like a total dipshit and I'll have people chanting MegaWank!! MegaWank!! when we eventually manage to get on stage and play". Life is too short for that kind of bullshit. Yeah, it's his private thing, but we judge people for private things all the time and want nothing to do with them if they fall short of what we think is good interpersonal behavior. It's fine if I write I think he's a sleazy old hypocrite who deserves all the laughs and memes he's getting* even though he's had something bad done to him as well, but the de-facto owner of the band can't have a private dispute with him and kick him out of the band even without considering ~all of the facts~? After all, he's more personally invested than me.
*Without calling anyone out in particular, I think it's interesting that in the "life chat" section of the board, the attitudes towards life that prevail are pretty conservative, as is befitting of (mostly) men of your generation. It's about getting married, having kids or pets in a house you own, teaching kids to get a good education and stay out of trouble and form supportive relationships, amassing wealth to take care of them when you're gone and so on and so forth, not a lot of liberated or libertine stuff, not a lot of age gap relationships or hookups, anything-goes-relationships, drug use, nomadic lifestyles. Political attitudes trend towards socially conservative when they are fiscally conservative as well, with some exceptions. Are you really, honestly telling me with hands on your hearts you wouldn't have a negative opinion of someone in your environment getting caught sending technically legal wanking videos? When it's your kids, you're honestly telling me that the only two options are either "well my daughter wouldn't do this" and "I would just advise her to be safe"? Why does that have to be an argument anyway, but since it is, you wouldn't dislike a 56-year-old guy who had an online hookup with your 19-year-old daughter even a little bit? If it came up that you two had to do business, you would say "well I can't judge him for what he does in his private life"?
The most baffling point of view you can take on this issue is that this is Mustaine trying to get ahead of cancel culture. Dave Mustaine, seriously? He risks being cancelled by his audience by firing DE more than he would the other way around.Since it's OK for Mustaine to fire Ellefson over a disagreement over the morality of his actions, surely that means he could fire him for being gay, right? Where should we draw the line when it comes to evaluating the private life of an employee? Like Stadler, I fully support DM's right to fire DE. It's his band. Let's try and maintain some consistency here, though. If you're going to allow morality to become a factor in your decision making, then you have to allow others to do the same.
Mentioning an "already strained relationship" makes me think that he sat down and said "great, now this guy I only keep in the band because it was good for the band at the time he rejoined will send girls younger than my daughter videos like a total dipshit and I'll have people chanting MegaWank!! MegaWank!! when we eventually manage to get on stage and play". Life is too short for that kind of bullshit. Yeah, it's his private thing, but we judge people for private things all the time and want nothing to do with them if they fall short of what we think is good interpersonal behavior. It's fine if I write I think he's a sleazy old hypocrite who deserves all the laughs and memes he's getting* even though he's had something bad done to him as well, but the de-facto owner of the band can't have a private dispute with him and kick him out of the band even without considering ~all of the facts~? After all, he's more personally invested than me.
*Without calling anyone out in particular, I think it's interesting that in the "life chat" section of the board, the attitudes towards life that prevail are pretty conservative, as is befitting of (mostly) men of your generation. It's about getting married, having kids or pets in a house you own, teaching kids to get a good education and stay out of trouble and form supportive relationships, amassing wealth to take care of them when you're gone and so on and so forth, not a lot of liberated or libertine stuff, not a lot of age gap relationships or hookups, anything-goes-relationships, drug use, nomadic lifestyles. Political attitudes trend towards socially conservative when they are fiscally conservative as well, with some exceptions. Are you really, honestly telling me with hands on your hearts you wouldn't have a negative opinion of someone in your environment getting caught sending technically legal wanking videos? When it's your kids, you're honestly telling me that the only two options are either "well my daughter wouldn't do this" and "I would just advise her to be safe"? Why does that have to be an argument anyway, but since it is, you wouldn't dislike a 56-year-old guy who had an online hookup with your 19-year-old daughter even a little bit? If it came up that you two had to do business, you would say "well I can't judge him for what he does in his private life"?
The most baffling point of view you can take on this issue is that this is Mustaine trying to get ahead of cancel culture. Dave Mustaine, seriously? He risks being cancelled by his audience by firing DE more than he would the other way around.Since it's OK for Mustaine to fire Ellefson over a disagreement over the morality of his actions, surely that means he could fire him for being gay, right? Where should we draw the line when it comes to evaluating the private life of an employee? Like Stadler, I fully support DM's right to fire DE. It's his band. Let's try and maintain some consistency here, though. If you're going to allow morality to become a factor in your decision making, then you have to allow others to do the same.
Mentioning an "already strained relationship" makes me think that he sat down and said "great, now this guy I only keep in the band because it was good for the band at the time he rejoined will send girls younger than my daughter videos like a total dipshit and I'll have people chanting MegaWank!! MegaWank!! when we eventually manage to get on stage and play". Life is too short for that kind of bullshit. Yeah, it's his private thing, but we judge people for private things all the time and want nothing to do with them if they fall short of what we think is good interpersonal behavior. It's fine if I write I think he's a sleazy old hypocrite who deserves all the laughs and memes he's getting* even though he's had something bad done to him as well, but the de-facto owner of the band can't have a private dispute with him and kick him out of the band even without considering ~all of the facts~? After all, he's more personally invested than me.
*Without calling anyone out in particular, I think it's interesting that in the "life chat" section of the board, the attitudes towards life that prevail are pretty conservative, as is befitting of (mostly) men of your generation. It's about getting married, having kids or pets in a house you own, teaching kids to get a good education and stay out of trouble and form supportive relationships, amassing wealth to take care of them when you're gone and so on and so forth, not a lot of liberated or libertine stuff, not a lot of age gap relationships or hookups, anything-goes-relationships, drug use, nomadic lifestyles. Political attitudes trend towards socially conservative when they are fiscally conservative as well, with some exceptions. Are you really, honestly telling me with hands on your hearts you wouldn't have a negative opinion of someone in your environment getting caught sending technically legal wanking videos? When it's your kids, you're honestly telling me that the only two options are either "well my daughter wouldn't do this" and "I would just advise her to be safe"? Why does that have to be an argument anyway, but since it is, you wouldn't dislike a 56-year-old guy who had an online hookup with your 19-year-old daughter even a little bit? If it came up that you two had to do business, you would say "well I can't judge him for what he does in his private life"?
Of course this is all true. I don't think anybody is arguing the legality of this. Hell, I've spent ten years arguing that anybody should be able to fire any employee for any reason they want, end of story. I think the question being bandied about is whether firing him for this reason makes him an asshole. Thus far opinions seem to be pretty evenly mixed on good guy/bad guy status. I also raised the greater, general point in my reply to MW regarding using morality as a basis for business decisions, and the danger of applying such subjective standards out here in the real world.The most baffling point of view you can take on this issue is that this is Mustaine trying to get ahead of cancel culture. Dave Mustaine, seriously? He risks being cancelled by his audience by firing DE more than he would the other way around.Since it's OK for Mustaine to fire Ellefson over a disagreement over the morality of his actions, surely that means he could fire him for being gay, right? Where should we draw the line when it comes to evaluating the private life of an employee? Like Stadler, I fully support DM's right to fire DE. It's his band. Let's try and maintain some consistency here, though. If you're going to allow morality to become a factor in your decision making, then you have to allow others to do the same.
Mentioning an "already strained relationship" makes me think that he sat down and said "great, now this guy I only keep in the band because it was good for the band at the time he rejoined will send girls younger than my daughter videos like a total dipshit and I'll have people chanting MegaWank!! MegaWank!! when we eventually manage to get on stage and play". Life is too short for that kind of bullshit. Yeah, it's his private thing, but we judge people for private things all the time and want nothing to do with them if they fall short of what we think is good interpersonal behavior. It's fine if I write I think he's a sleazy old hypocrite who deserves all the laughs and memes he's getting* even though he's had something bad done to him as well, but the de-facto owner of the band can't have a private dispute with him and kick him out of the band even without considering ~all of the facts~? After all, he's more personally invested than me.
*Without calling anyone out in particular, I think it's interesting that in the "life chat" section of the board, the attitudes towards life that prevail are pretty conservative, as is befitting of (mostly) men of your generation. It's about getting married, having kids or pets in a house you own, teaching kids to get a good education and stay out of trouble and form supportive relationships, amassing wealth to take care of them when you're gone and so on and so forth, not a lot of liberated or libertine stuff, not a lot of age gap relationships or hookups, anything-goes-relationships, drug use, nomadic lifestyles. Political attitudes trend towards socially conservative when they are fiscally conservative as well, with some exceptions. Are you really, honestly telling me with hands on your hearts you wouldn't have a negative opinion of someone in your environment getting caught sending technically legal wanking videos? When it's your kids, you're honestly telling me that the only two options are either "well my daughter wouldn't do this" and "I would just advise her to be safe"? Why does that have to be an argument anyway, but since it is, you wouldn't dislike a 56-year-old guy who had an online hookup with your 19-year-old daughter even a little bit? If it came up that you two had to do business, you would say "well I can't judge him for what he does in his private life"?
It all depends on what Ellefson's contract stated. There are grounds for termination in a contract. Did Ellefson's actions warrant his termination? Our opinions don't matter. What matters is what the contract states. If the contract had in it that termination would happen with any personal action that would be detrimental to the band's image and perception, then what Ellefson did could be deemed as such.
We must note that we have no idea what Ellefson's contract says.
No idea if this has anything to do with the Ellefson situation, but..timing...
https://bravewords.com/news/david-ellefson-s-business-partner-thom-hazaert-retires-from-music-business-f-k-music-i-hate-it-now-anyway
This guy's statement is worth the read. This dude is mad.
No idea if this has anything to do with the Ellefson situation, but..timing...
https://bravewords.com/news/david-ellefson-s-business-partner-thom-hazaert-retires-from-music-business-f-k-music-i-hate-it-now-anyway
This guy's statement is worth the read. This dude is mad.
No idea if this has anything to do with the Ellefson situation, but..timing...
https://bravewords.com/news/david-ellefson-s-business-partner-thom-hazaert-retires-from-music-business-f-k-music-i-hate-it-now-anyway
This guy's statement is worth the read. This dude is mad.
Is he Jesus? He literally died?
"We live in a nearly apocalyptic world where anyone can say anything and post it on the internet, and it’s true. A World that thrives on drama, and manipulation, where everyone wants to be a victim, and anyone will hear anything, with no context or actual knowledge of the situation, and it’s true. (If they want it to be.) That’s this world, and even moreso, this business. And this has been proven to be true of even some of my closest “friends”.
I don't know. I hate those 'screeds'. What's the point? NO ONE is that much of a saint, and so it just begs the question that there's another side to this that would put everything in perspective. And the old "I COULD tell, but I won't, because 'me'" thing is lame-o, if you ask me. Either do it or shut the fuck up about it. There's no honor in implication, just cowardice. I know, harsh, but it is how I feel about it. This guy - who I've never heard of - does have a wiki page, and to read it, it's not like he's not had opportunities, so for me, that just reads like "Hmm, it can't possibly be my bad decisions or poor choices, so it MUST be that I've been fucked over by every living person that came into contact with me". Please. I'll pass on that.
I don't know. I hate those 'screeds'. What's the point? NO ONE is that much of a saint, and so it just begs the question that there's another side to this that would put everything in perspective. And the old "I COULD tell, but I won't, because 'me'" thing is lame-o, if you ask me. Either do it or shut the fuck up about it. There's no honor in implication, just cowardice. I know, harsh, but it is how I feel about it. This guy - who I've never heard of - does have a wiki page, and to read it, it's not like he's not had opportunities, so for me, that just reads like "Hmm, it can't possibly be my bad decisions or poor choices, so it MUST be that I've been fucked over by every living person that came into contact with me". Please. I'll pass on that.Sounds like the dude just needed to vent. Everybody needs to once in a while. If it were a calculated response threatening to name names and unearth bodies I'd agree with you. Seems more stream of consciousness, though. I wouldn't read any more into it than a guy is sick to death of a corrupt to the core industry, and wanted to rant. Mission accomplished.
Not that I've never, but I guess that's just not my style. If I've got beef with people I try to deal with the people, instead of embarrassing them purposefully or inadvertently (who didn't read that and think "wow, he's really got it out for Dave Ellefson!"). People have been venting for 10's of thousands of years, and I think the consequences are different when they can be reduced to writing and exposed to the entire world.
Not that I've never, but I guess that's just not my style. If I've got beef with people I try to deal with the people, instead of embarrassing them purposefully or inadvertently (who didn't read that and think "wow, he's really got it out for Dave Ellefson!"). People have been venting for 10's of thousands of years, and I think the consequences are different when they can be reduced to writing and exposed to the entire world.
Look, I get it. I've been saying for two decades to anyone that will listen that "find your passion" is the worst career advice you could ever get/give, because it only means that your passion will be driven from you and killed in a painful death when you realize it's a shitty way to have to put food on the table if you're not one of the handful that break out. My oldest stepson LOVES cars. LOVES them. He got a job as a tech with a BMW dealer - his favorite car/manufacturer - and left in like 9 months, because after the 245th oil change on the ultimate driving machine that the owner apparently doesn't give two shits about, he was losing his mind.
But it's not new at this point; all you have to do is read any rock biography, or watch any three or four of the 100's of Behind The Music episodes to see it's not all tea and roses. The guy hob-nobbed with his favorite artists and has a wiki-page. Forgive me, call me cold, but I'm not shedding any tears here.
Look, I get it. I've been saying for two decades to anyone that will listen that "find your passion" is the worst career advice you could ever get/give, because it only means that your passion will be driven from you and killed in a painful death when you realize it's a shitty way to have to put food on the table if you're not one of the handful that break out. My oldest stepson LOVES cars. LOVES them. He got a job as a tech with a BMW dealer - his favorite car/manufacturer - and left in like 9 months, because after the 245th oil change on the ultimate driving machine that the owner apparently doesn't give two shits about, he was losing his mind.
But it's not new at this point; all you have to do is read any rock biography, or watch any three or four of the 100's of Behind The Music episodes to see it's not all tea and roses. The guy hob-nobbed with his favorite artists and has a wiki-page. Forgive me, call me cold, but I'm not shedding any tears here.
They've recorded a new album, right? Do you think they'll "pull an Ozzy" and re-record Ellefson's parts before release?
They've recorded a new album, right? Do you think they'll "pull an Ozzy" and re-record Ellefson's parts before release?
Looks like they will do just that.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/dave_mustaine_removes_david_ellefson_tracks_from_new_megadeth_album_says_bass_parts_will_be_re-recorded_by_stellar_new_bassist.html
Since it's OK for Mustaine to fire Ellefson over a disagreement over the morality of his actions, surely that means he could fire him for being gay, right? Where should we draw the line when it comes to evaluating the private life of an employee? Like Stadler, I fully support DM's right to fire DE. It's his band. Let's try and maintain some consistency here, though. If you're going to allow morality to become a factor in your decision making, then you have to allow others to do the same.You're comparing apples to oranges, your example is pretty illegal. So it would be if Mustaine said "the new guy in my band is a Catholic (what flavor of Christian is Mustaine again?), I can't deal with that, off he goes". Or "his Ancestry results came back, turns out he's Danish, goodbye". The rest is just, good reasons and bad reasons, good morals and bad morals. You can fire a guy for stealing riffs, yelling at people, and yes, turning himself into a wank meme on the internet with people arguing in the comment sections if the girl you sent the video to was underage or not, and I won't judge you even a little bit, and those are all morality based decisions. A morality based decision would also be if you fired a guy for smoking weed in his private time, and then I might judge you a little bit, and call you a square.
Since it's OK for Mustaine to fire Ellefson over a disagreement over the morality of his actions, surely that means he could fire him for being gay, right? Where should we draw the line when it comes to evaluating the private life of an employee? Like Stadler, I fully support DM's right to fire DE. It's his band. Let's try and maintain some consistency here, though. If you're going to allow morality to become a factor in your decision making, then you have to allow others to do the same.You're comparing apples to oranges, your example is pretty illegal. So it would be if Mustaine said "the new guy in my band is a Catholic (what flavor of Christian is Mustaine again?), I can't deal with that, off he goes". Or "his Ancestry results came back, turns out he's Danish, goodbye". The rest is just, good reasons and bad reasons, good morals and bad morals. You can fire a guy for stealing riffs, yelling at people, and yes, turning himself into a wank meme on the internet with people arguing in the comment sections if the girl you sent the video to was underage or not, and I won't judge you even a little bit, and those are all morality based decisions. A morality based decision would also be if you fired a guy for smoking weed in his private time, and then I might judge you a little bit, and call you a square.
:tup Just trying to suggest a bit of consistency here.
You're technically right, but I think El Barto is going for "is it just"?
What's stellar is the amount of press he's getting because of this. My first thought was that he foolishly Streisanded this whole thing, as it probably would have blown over on its own. Now I think that was the plan. When was the last time Megadeth actually had any relevance? Suddenly people are interested again. Even the people like me that can't stand the guy are talking about him again.
They've recorded a new album, right? Do you think they'll "pull an Ozzy" and re-record Ellefson's parts before release?
Looks like they will do just that.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/dave_mustaine_removes_david_ellefson_tracks_from_new_megadeth_album_says_bass_parts_will_be_re-recorded_by_stellar_new_bassist.html
Sorry to be beating a dead horse, but I just noticed that Ellefson said this part in repentance and I find it hilarious with the situation he is in...Whoa. That's eerily prophetic.
"You're only as sick as your secrets...
but the truth shall set you free."
A previous MegaBassist has stepped up.
I give him 3 weeks tops.
Lomenzo?
Lomenzo?
He is the touring bassist. They still have not said who played on the record.
Sorry to be beating a dead horse, but I just noticed that Ellefson said this part in repentance and I find it hilarious with the situation he is in...
"You're only as sick as your secrets...
but the truth shall set you free."
Premiered yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6URPndg9cg
Premiered yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6URPndg9cg
Megadeth, Lamb of God, Trivium and Hatebreed Stage Load In (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STldYMIeTXg&ab_channel=KikoLoureiro)
I enjoy seeing Kikos vlogs, it's interesting seeing the professionalism among the musicians, not that i'm surprised by it but I mean everyone except Dave is basically a hired gun in the band.
Dave Mustaine's Concert Etiquette
https://youtu.be/4JBtVwFjnJ0 (https://youtu.be/4JBtVwFjnJ0)
:rollin
Why did I watch more of that than I should've? :lol
Why did I watch more of that than I should've? :lol
Wut? It was 58 seconds!? :lol
Why did I watch more of that than I should've? :lol
Why did I watch more of that than I should've? :lol
Coming from the guy sharing those terrible Iron Maiden covers, GOOD :lol
I think we're finding out that maybe that says more about Rock than it does about Geoff.
I think we're finding out that maybe that says more about Rock than it does about Geoff.
I was just joking but these days - yeah you're right :lol At that stage (when it happened)..........I think Tate was the far bigger douchebag but he seems to have mellowed in recent years..
Who knows...............I met Rockenfield on the Condition Human tour and he seemed like he really didn't want to be there. Maybe that says more about me than it does about Rock :biggrin:
I think we're finding out that maybe that says more about Rock than it does about Geoff.
I was just joking but these days - yeah you're right :lol At that stage (when it happened)..........I think Tate was the far bigger douchebag but he seems to have mellowed in recent years..
Who knows...............I met Rockenfield on the Condition Human tour and he seemed like he really didn't want to be there. Maybe that says more about me than it does about Rock :biggrin:
Sounds like Brent may be the reason why Scott left Queensryche.
Why are we talking about this in the Megadeth thread? Did Brent fire Ellefson too?
Why are we talking about this in the Megadeth thread? Did Brent fire Ellefson too?
I have NOTHING to do with Ellefson - haven't met him but I hear he's a bit of a jerk off. :neverusethis:
He's in a new band called Kings of Thrash though ..........sounds like he consulted KK Downing on the band name
Why are we talking about this in the Megadeth thread? Did Brent fire Ellefson too?
Why are we talking about this in the Megadeth thread? Did Brent fire Ellefson too?
I heard Brent had quite a bit of pull in getting him fired.
New song tomorrow....
Apparently this is the album closer too. Keen to see if the album that leads up to this is excellent.
Apparently this is the album closer too. Keen to see if the album that leads up to this is excellent.
At the end of the official video it says TO BE CONTINUED…
If it is the closer of the album then the continuation should be in the next album.
Apparently this is the album closer too. Keen to see if the album that leads up to this is excellent.
At the end of the official video it says TO BE CONTINUED…
If it is the closer of the album then the continuation should be in the next album.
The TBC could just be about linking this music video and the next one not necessarily following an order from the album or future music.
That song ending riffs was the best part, up to the 4 min mark it's whatever. It kicks ass after that till the end. I don't know if that was the makeup or how Dave looks like these days but he could play a character from the underworld movies as one of those elders.
Love the tune. Man, that kicked ass. :metal
That's an awesome song. Fits right there with The Threat is Real. I hope the album is just as good as Dystopia, because that was a nice return to that energetic Megadeth sound of old.
Actually like this better than the first single that outro after the strings caught me by surprise :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rl2gPKzZEs
Actually like this better than the first single that outro after the strings caught me by surprise :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rl2gPKzZEs
You like that better? That was a mess!
Whoever pissed Dave off, please keep it going. Pretty solid singles so far.
Whoever pissed Dave off, please keep it going. Pretty solid singles so far.
:metal Dave always writes the best stuff when he's angry. I think I like this song better than the first one.
Kiko is doing some insane stuff on these two songs solo wise. Some really creative phrasing and note choices in his leads and very melodic even though it's shred. Class guitar player.
DM’s no Pavarotti but I think his vocals fit with the music, 100%.
Hard to qualify but he’s got this high pitched, irreverent, almost juvenile-like quality owing more to Johnny Rotten and Bon Scott than Rob Halford or Bruce Dickinson. I understand why people dislike it but it totally works for me.
DM’s no Pavarotti but I think his vocals fit with the music, 100%.
Hard to qualify but he’s got this high pitched, irreverent, almost juvenile-like quality owing more to Johnny Rotten and Bon Scott than Rob Halford or Bruce Dickinson. I understand why people dislike it but it totally works for me.
I'm sometimes picky about vocals, but I kind of dig his voice too. And on songs like A Tout Le Monde, it's actually, IMO, GOOD.
What do you guys think of this?
https://bravewords.com/news/former-megadeth-members-david-ellefson-chris-poland-jeff-young-announce-kings-of-thrash-tour-dates
Playing KIMB and SFSGSW in their entirety.
I generally hate these kinds of things, but this looks kind of interesting. Chaz Leon on vocals? Who the hell is he?
What do you guys think of this?
https://bravewords.com/news/former-megadeth-members-david-ellefson-chris-poland-jeff-young-announce-kings-of-thrash-tour-dates
Playing KIMB and SFSGSW in their entirety.
I generally hate these kinds of things, but this looks kind of interesting. Chaz Leon on vocals? Who the hell is he?
Kiko is doing some insane stuff on these two songs solo wise. Some really creative phrasing and note choices in his leads and very melodic even though it's shred. Class guitar player.
Music is great but I've never been able to get past DM vox :rollin
Love the first two Megadeth songs off the new record. Thought Dystopia was a good one too.
The only thing live these days, and I get it, is that they've dropped the songs a full step. So the dynamics aren't there. It's kind of like mud. This was before Dave's cancer too, so his voice just isn't there any longer. But on the records, still, good stuff.
Dystopia was all down to D also I think so I guess they are streamlining everything. I know what you mean though, the old songs sound totally different. Half step is fine and not as noticeable, but seems a huge change in dynamics another semitone down.
Soldier On! Another new song out. I like it. That is 3 good songs, really looking forward to the album.
Dystopia was all down to D also I think so I guess they are streamlining everything. I know what you mean though, the old songs sound totally different. Half step is fine and not as noticeable, but seems a huge change in dynamics another semitone down.
Yes. I actually like a lot of stuff from the 80s down a half-step. But that extra step down, and it all goes awry. Tesla has done that with a lot of their songs from the classic records (Edison's Medicine comes to mind) and it just sounds awful.
Soldier On! Another new song out. I like it. That is 3 good songs, really looking forward to the album.
I'll have to wait until it's Friday here.
Dystopia was all down to D also I think so I guess they are streamlining everything. I know what you mean though, the old songs sound totally different. Half step is fine and not as noticeable, but seems a huge change in dynamics another semitone down.
Yes. I actually like a lot of stuff from the 80s down a half-step. But that extra step down, and it all goes awry. Tesla has done that with a lot of their songs from the classic records (Edison's Medicine comes to mind) and it just sounds awful.
This one is more of a straight ahead regular Megadeth song. It sounds like TSHF/UA era to me. A mix of the Scorpion, Back in the Day and Kick the Chair maybe. It's a nice tune, it'll sit nicely in the flow of the album I think. The chorus is simple but will become quite catchy I think.
This one is more of a straight ahead regular Megadeth song. It sounds like TSHF/UA era to me. A mix of the Scorpion, Back in the Day and Kick the Chair maybe. It's a nice tune, it'll sit nicely in the flow of the album I think. The chorus is simple but will become quite catchy I think.
I listened to both at work today. An underrated era of the band, one that got then back on track musically.
This one is more of a straight ahead regular Megadeth song. It sounds like TSHF/UA era to me. A mix of the Scorpion, Back in the Day and Kick the Chair maybe. It's a nice tune, it'll sit nicely in the flow of the album I think. The chorus is simple but will become quite catchy I think.
I listened to both at work today. An underrated era of the band, one that got then back on track musically.
This one is more of a straight ahead regular Megadeth song. It sounds like TSHF/UA era to me. A mix of the Scorpion, Back in the Day and Kick the Chair maybe. It's a nice tune, it'll sit nicely in the flow of the album I think. The chorus is simple but will become quite catchy I think.
I listened to both at work today. An underrated era of the band, one that got then back on track musically.
System could be a top 3 Megadeth album for me. The return of Poland was just incredible, so many good songs on that album.
This one is more of a straight ahead regular Megadeth song. It sounds like TSHF/UA era to me. A mix of the Scorpion, Back in the Day and Kick the Chair maybe. It's a nice tune, it'll sit nicely in the flow of the album I think. The chorus is simple but will become quite catchy I think.
I listened to both at work today. An underrated era of the band, one that got then back on track musically.
Loved System when it came out - it felt like Mustaine & friends more than a proper band effort, but great performances and (for the most part) very good songs. United Abominations starts great but then peters out...I haven't listened to it in a while, so I might not remember it super-well. Might be time to revisit.
This one is more of a straight ahead regular Megadeth song. It sounds like TSHF/UA era to me. A mix of the Scorpion, Back in the Day and Kick the Chair maybe. It's a nice tune, it'll sit nicely in the flow of the album I think. The chorus is simple but will become quite catchy I think.
This one is more of a straight ahead regular Megadeth song. It sounds like TSHF/UA era to me. A mix of the Scorpion, Back in the Day and Kick the Chair maybe. It's a nice tune, it'll sit nicely in the flow of the album I think. The chorus is simple but will become quite catchy I think.
Listening now. Wow I’m really pumped for this album. Three winning tracks so far.
This one is more of a straight ahead regular Megadeth song. It sounds like TSHF/UA era to me. A mix of the Scorpion, Back in the Day and Kick the Chair maybe. It's a nice tune, it'll sit nicely in the flow of the album I think. The chorus is simple but will become quite catchy I think.
I listened to both at work today. An underrated era of the band, one that got then back on track musically.
I did mention it in the 'What album' thread but yea, I am pleasantly surprised. I was fairly confident after hearing the singles, but it is hitting the spot.
Working through a few other new releases then I'm going to go back to it later :metal
I've heard twice and I'm liking it a lot! The band seems to meshing more naturally in this album and stylistically it does sound something from Countdown/Youthanasia era.
I was reading the review on AllMusic this morning (a very good review) and was floored when it mentioned that it has been 6 years since Dystopia was released. How time flies!
Surprised no mention of this album released today!?
Currently on third spin and absolutely top notch stuff 🤘
Will definitely be picking up the new album. To me, the "must-have" albums are the run from Rust through Youthanasia, and including Hidden Treasures, and then a bit farther down the list, Risk (yup!). I also really liked The System Has Failed and Dystopia...
Surprised no mention of this album released today!?
Currently on third spin and absolutely top notch stuff 🤘
Well for starters, you posted this at 6:24 am! :lol
Although since I start work at 5am, I already had one listen in! ;D
This album fucking rips. Holy shit. Top echelon Megadeth.
I did not pick this up this weekend. I could listen online but Megadeth are one of those bands I still feel I need to pick the cd up before hearing the full thing.
This is a great performance though;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ILXKm1hpfQ&list=RD3ILXKm1hpfQ&start_radio=1
What on earth is Lenticular?Are you familiar with the CD covers for KISS' Psycho Circus or Tool's Aenima were you move it back and forth and it kinda changes with the motion? That's lenticular.
What on earth is Lenticular?Are you familiar with the CD covers for KISS' Psycho Circus or Tool's Aenima were you move it back and forth and it kinda changes with the motion? That's lenticular.
Haha! Give it a shot. Let me know if it works. My copy isn't good, either.What on earth is Lenticular?Are you familiar with the CD covers for KISS' Psycho Circus or Tool's Aenima were you move it back and forth and it kinda changes with the motion? That's lenticular.
Oh, ok. When I was a kid, we used to get cards in boxes of yodels that did that, like a prism was ne of them, or maybe the Northern Lights. I didn't know what was the term.
I wonder if I take my actual CD of Psycho Circus and if I move it back and forth, maybe it'll become good. ;D
Will definitely be picking up the new album. To me, the "must-have" albums are the run from Rust through Youthanasia, and including Hidden Treasures, and then a bit farther down the list, Risk (yup!). I also really liked The System Has Failed and Dystopia...
If I trade you Risk for The World Needs A Hero then you have just named the very same run and albums that are my own essential Megadeth! I won't be surprised however if am including the Sick Dying Dead in that list before too long... ;)
Gave it a listen on spotify and ... I thought it was very mediocre.
Gave it a listen on spotify and ... I thought it was very mediocre.
Yeah, no kidding.
To quote emtee: "Listened last night and was floored by how great it was. Spectacular album for this stage of their career. It rivals anything they've done. Yes, it's that good." I mean, what?! I love the fact we can all have such divergent opinions, though.
It took a few spins ...
This is quite an interesting read.
https://blabbermouth.net/news/david-ellefson-says-he-was-in-an-abusive-working-relationship-with-dave-mustaine-i-feel-like-i-got-kicked-out-of-hell
But remember, Ellefson has a career to sell.
But remember, Ellefson has a career to sell.
True. ...but who's buying?
I've been listening to Megadeth for over 35 years and the new album is......outstanding. I am blown away.
I'll chuck a quick ranking out there after 3 listens...
We'll Be Back
Night Stalkers
Célebutante
The Sick, The Dying... and The Dead!
Police Truck
Soldier On!
This Planets on Fire (Burn in Hell)
Life in Hell
Mission to Mars
Killing Time
Dogs of Chernobyl
Psychopathy
Junkie
Sacrifice
Not sure if everyone is the same, but I really love the covers at the end.
Somebody told me today that Dave wants to be Metallica so badly that he even threw his own bass player under the bus….
:icy:
Grapp - good to hear Dave say that.
I love this new album. Really great record from to top to bottom.
Grapp - good to hear Dave say that.
I love this new album. Really great record from to top to bottom.
I've spun it 3 times now and stand by my early assessment. Great from beginning to end - especially on headphones - with no parts or songs that I feel like fast forwarding or skipping. This continues a trend for me of bands very late in their career putting out excellent albums. Kansas, DT, Metallica, Deth, Maiden, Priest, just to name a few.
Somebody told me today that Dave wants to be Metallica so badly that he even threw his own bass player under the bus….
:icy:
Somebody told me today that Dave wants to be Metallica so badly that he even threw his own bass player under the bus….
:icy:
Somebody told me today that Dave wants to be Metallica so badly that he even threw his own bass player under the bus….
:icy:
Finally got a copy of this and holy shit, this fucker rips!!
I'm disappointed they are only playing the single from the new album on their tour right now. Seeing them on Wednesday.
Grapp - good to hear Dave say that.
I love this new album. Really great record from to top to bottom.
I've spun it 3 times now and stand by my early assessment. Great from beginning to end - especially on headphones - with no parts or songs that I feel like fast forwarding or skipping. This continues a trend for me of bands very late in their career putting out excellent albums. Kansas, DT, Metallica, Deth, Maiden, Priest, just to name a few.
Flotsam & Jetsam, Armored Saint, Saxon, Accept, Testament as well.
Kade, speaking of Flotsam....Life In Hell has a total Flotsam vibe to it.
Grapp - good to hear Dave say that.
I love this new album. Really great record from to top to bottom.
I've spun it 3 times now and stand by my early assessment. Great from beginning to end - especially on headphones - with no parts or songs that I feel like fast forwarding or skipping. This continues a trend for me of bands very late in their career putting out excellent albums. Kansas, DT, Metallica, Deth, Maiden, Priest, just to name a few.
Flotsam & Jetsam, Armored Saint, Saxon, Accept, Testament as well.
Flotsam obliterates every single Megadeth album and most people have no idea who they are. Such a shame
Definitely a very strong album! I think The Sick... (what a cool opener, without being that heavy), Night Stalkers, Dogs of Chernobyl, Sacrifice, Célebutante and I'll Be Back are all amazing. The covers are great and the rest of the album is very good. I think the only songs that are a bit below, but not bad, are Junkie and Killing Time.
I'm disappointed they are only playing the single from the new album on their tour right now. Seeing them on Wednesday.
Finally got a copy of this and holy shit, this fucker rips!!
Yeah it's strange isn't it but as simple as that Ice T piece is, it's effective and every time it's over I wish it were longer \m/
My daughter must agree too she had no idea who Ice was until I gave her some history and once the song was over she thought it was awesome and wanted to know more about this, in her words, Bubble Tea fella!?
A fraudulent slip on her part no doubt :rollin
Grapp - good to hear Dave say that.
I love this new album. Really great record from to top to bottom.
I've spun it 3 times now and stand by my early assessment. Great from beginning to end - especially on headphones - with no parts or songs that I feel like fast forwarding or skipping. This continues a trend for me of bands very late in their career putting out excellent albums. Kansas, DT, Metallica, Deth, Maiden, Priest, just to name a few.
Flotsam & Jetsam, Armored Saint, Saxon, Accept, Testament as well.
Flotsam obliterates every single Megadeth album and most people have no idea who they are. Such a shame
Grapp - good to hear Dave say that.
I love this new album. Really great record from to top to bottom.
I've spun it 3 times now and stand by my early assessment. Great from beginning to end - especially on headphones - with no parts or songs that I feel like fast forwarding or skipping. This continues a trend for me of bands very late in their career putting out excellent albums. Kansas, DT, Metallica, Deth, Maiden, Priest, just to name a few.
Flotsam & Jetsam, Armored Saint, Saxon, Accept, Testament as well.
Flotsam obliterates every single Megadeth album and most people have no idea who they are. Such a shame
Can't say I agree with this literally, but I am in agreement with the general spirit of them being criminally underrated, overlooked, and comparatively unknown, and it sucks because they have put out some great music. For me personally, my Big Four of thrash would be Metallica, Megadeth, Flotsam, and Testament.
Grapp - good to hear Dave say that.
I love this new album. Really great record from to top to bottom.
I've spun it 3 times now and stand by my early assessment. Great from beginning to end - especially on headphones - with no parts or songs that I feel like fast forwarding or skipping. This continues a trend for me of bands very late in their career putting out excellent albums. Kansas, DT, Metallica, Deth, Maiden, Priest, just to name a few.
Flotsam & Jetsam, Armored Saint, Saxon, Accept, Testament as well.
Flotsam obliterates every single Megadeth album and most people have no idea who they are. Such a shame
Can't say I agree with this literally, but I am in agreement with the general spirit of them being criminally underrated, overlooked, and comparatively unknown, and it sucks because they have put out some great music. For me personally, my Big Four of thrash would be Metallica, Megadeth, Flotsam, and Testament.
That's damn solid. I'm fine with Anthrax getting cut for either Flotsam or Testament.
How badass is that last 2 minutes of Dogs? :metal
How badass is that last 2 minutes of Dogs? :metal
Of hell yes :metal :metal. Life Is Hell and Dogs are my two favorite tracks.
How badass is that last 2 minutes of Dogs? :metalI love that brutal ending as much as the catchy chorus, which I like as much as the touching into. It's a rollercoaster of a song. Probably the best Megadeth track in years.
How badass is that last 2 minutes of Dogs? :metal
Of hell yes :metal :metal. Life Is Hell and Dogs are my two favorite tracks.
Yeah, Dogs is climbing. I think Nightstalkers is my fav currently.
Dave sounds fucking great on this album too. Knows his limitations but sounds excellent.
-Flotsam: TAC is going to be triggered by this, but my choice for them is Drift, hands down, and it's not even close. Love this album.Drift is a great album! Less polished-sounding and more aggressive than Cuatro.
-Testament: This is an interesting band for me. I like them as a band, and I like some individual songs a lot. But I don't care for many entire albums of theirs as a whole, with a few exceptions. The main one is The Ritual. That's my easy choice.
Saw Megadeth last night. They sounded VERY good. Honestly made Five Finger Death Punch (who headlined) sound poor to me.
As mentioned earlier, they only played one song from the new album, but before the last song, Dave did mention they may have to change things up and end the set with a new song, but not tonight. So seems like they will play more new stuff, which makes sense, just not sure why they aren't right now. Oh well. Other than only being a 10 song set and not headlining, I thought they were pretty good and maybe this was my favorite of the 3 times I've seen them.
Megadeth - We'll Be Back LIVE @ PNC Bank Arts Center Holmdel NJ 9/14/2022 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYNSzN2Qbzg)
I have a feeling that Dave nowadays likes to go out in front of another band's large crowd and just do ten to twelve songs as an opening act. He's got nothing left to prove.
they only played one song from the new album, but before the last song, Dave did mention they may have to change things up and end the set with a new song, but not tonight. So seems like they will play more new stuff, which makes sense, just not sure why they aren't right now. Oh well.
That baffles me that FFDP headlines over Megadeth. I guess I'm not in tune with the music industry like I used to be. From about 1975 to about 1990, you give me a band name and I could probably tell you what tours they headlined and what tours they opened. Now, I feel like a coin flip would do a better job than me. :)Isn't this the first bunch of shows Megadeth has done since Dave's cancer treatment? It makes sense for them to kinda ease into playing live again. And, to play in front of one of the more popular newer bands makes even more sense. Maybe get out in front of an audience that wouldn't normally hear Dave.
I pulled the trigger on a physical CD. Over the last 3 years I've really slowed down - almost stopped- buying physical music. But when something comes along that I really love, I want it in my collection.
This could honestly contend for AOY. Really loving it.
I picked up a copy of the CD today. On Spotify the bonus tracks are Police Truck and This Planet’s On Fire. On the CD the bonus tracks are listed as This Planet's on Fire and Dystopia(live), but when I listened to the CD the second bonus track turned out to be The Conjuring (liveJ. :huh:
I picked up a copy of the CD today. On Spotify the bonus tracks are Police Truck and This Planet’s On Fire. On the CD the bonus tracks are listed as This Planet's on Fire and Dystopia(live), but when I listened to the CD the second bonus track turned out to be The Conjuring (liveJ. :huh:
It's a misprint. Mine is the same. It's supposed to be The Conjuring.
When I listen to the Big 4 debut albums, you're right in that KEA sounds way more accomplished overall than the other ones. I also agree that KIMB feels more like an EP and doesn't quite do it for me like their next few albums do (though I find Peace Sells massively overrated and SFSGSW massively underappreciated). I love the cover of These Boots and there's cool moments in every single track but overall, the production and emphasis on speed makes it one I don't want to listen to all that much. I know they did a remix/remaster at some point and I wonder if it's a huge difference as I have the original 1985 version. The verse riff of the title track is one of my favorite Mustaine riffs and Rattlehead always felt like a Whiplash ripoff. Looking Down the Cross is pretty interesting and Mechanix is a goddamn joke that was improved massively by Metallica.
Before even talking about this album in specific I guess I should mention that I've been widening my Thrash Metal knowledge recently. Was always a huge Metallica fan but my experience with the other 3 was definitely a lot lower, Anthrax for example I hadn't heard at all before a month ago. I notice a pattern across all the debut albums from these bands. There's signs of greatness to come and many good ideas but I would say all four debut albums - to varying degrees suffer a bit from 'imagination is bigger than the budget' and they all sound a bit like bands trying to find their footing. Kill Em All possibly has the highest legacy/reputation out of these, I would say the Anthrax debut (Fistful of Metal) definitely is a lot weaker than the next 4 albums and the Slayer debut (Show No Mercy) while good also doesn't reach the level of the next 4 albums that came after it. How does Megadeth fare in this? I would say one of the better debuts, possibly second for me out of these 4.
Good stuff DTA. SFSGSW is easily my favorite Megadeth album so I'm with you on that totally.
These Boots was re-recorded for the Dudes Soundtrack, and is far more polished and a lot better. That's the version they were playing on the SFSGSW tour.
I never quite rated it as high as the masses, but it's no doubt a fantastic record.
I never quite rated it as high as the masses, but it's no doubt a fantastic record.
Without making a list, I'd probably put Peace Sells somewhere around the 6 or 7 spot.
Zantera, in regards to your comparison to Megadeth's contemporaries, and their second albums, I'd say Peace Sells struggles to live up to Ride the Lightning (which on some days I consider my all time favourite metal album). I think it is leagues ahead of Hell Awaits and Spreading the Disease though.
Just make sure you listen to the original SFSGSW and NOT the Remaster!
I'm not familiar with the different sound. I own the 2004 remaster. Is that good?
Oh wow. All Megadeth albums I have right up to Risk are these versions!
I never quite rated it as high as the masses, but it's no doubt a fantastic record.
Without making a list, I'd probably put Peace Sells somewhere around the 6 or 7 spot.
I never quite rated it as high as the masses, but it's no doubt a fantastic record.
Without making a list, I'd probably put Peace Sells somewhere around the 6 or 7 spot.
That low, huh? To me, it has all I look for in a thrash metal album...it's technical and full of fantastic riffs, and it manages to be catchy and memorable too. The debut is kinda cool, but the leap (in pretty much every respect) from that to Peace Sells is gigantic.
I see you really like So Far, So good...I've always found it a bit of a mess (In My Darkest Hour is great, obviously). I haven't heard it in a while, I should revisit...
Oh wow. All Megadeth albums I have right up to Risk are these versions!
Oh wow. All Megadeth albums I have right up to Risk are these versions!
Do yourself a favor and get all the originals from at least Peace Sells up to Cryptic Writings. Normally, I'm not going on about audiophile shit like "remasters suck, originals only", but these Megadeth versions from 2004 are an abomination, save for maybe Youthanasia on which I at least didn't notice any big change.
Take Peace Sells, for instance. The 2004 version just totally lacks punch and the drums sound very plastic and weak, compared with the ballsy sound of the orignial. See this video for a pretty good comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoXXZmcWjB0&t=633s
I find Mary Jane to be one of their most overlooked and interesting songs. The second half of the song with that harmonized guitar part is so melodic and interesting.
Is it me, or does this kid kick ass?I quite enjoyed his playing. He does a really good "Bark At The Moon", too. :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Kd8jRfUK0
RIP is just awesome. Holy Wars, Tornado, and Hangar get all the attention but it’s the more wacky stuff like Five Magics, Lucretia and the title track that make me so into this band. There’s not a bad moment on this album and even though it’s not my favorite of theirs, I understand its importance in their catalog and why it’s considered their peak.
RIP really is head and shoulders above all other Megadeth albums for me. That’s not saying that there aren’t also some other great Megadeth albums, just that RIP is a watershed moment in the Megadeth catalogue.
Knowing the direction that other thrash bands went in the 90s, it feels reassuring like a warm hug to hear this 1990 album coming out after the big thrash metal wave but still living up to that level.
RIP is just awesome. Holy Wars, Tornado, and Hangar get all the attention but it’s the more wacky stuff like Five Magics, Lucretia and the title track that make me so into this band. There’s not a bad moment on this album and even though it’s not my favorite of theirs, I understand its importance in their catalog and why it’s considered their peak.
Five Magics is my favorite song on the album.RIP really is head and shoulders above all other Megadeth albums for me. That’s not saying that there aren’t also some other great Megadeth albums, just that RIP is a watershed moment in the Megadeth catalogue.
I do recognize RiP as their signature album for sure, but SFSGSW is still my favorite.
Knowing the direction that other thrash bands went in the 90s, it feels reassuring like a warm hug to hear this 1990 album coming out after the big thrash metal wave but still living up to that level.
Oh don't worry, you're about to explore Megadeth's output in the 1990's as well. :biggrin:
I'm glad you love Rust in Peace. That album is just amazing from start to finish - seeing the band play that in 2010 was one of my concert-going highlights.
I feel like Countdown is more considered their "Black album" while Risk is like a pre-emptive St. Anger (though Risk is way better than it gets credit for) if we're comparing the two. Youthanasia and Cryptic Writings are definitely more straight ahead hard-rock (with some metal flourishes) but both excellent albums with some of their best songwriting imo.
I feel like Countdown is more considered their "Black album" while Risk is like a pre-emptive St. Anger (though Risk is way better than it gets credit for) if we're comparing the two. Youthanasia and Cryptic Writings are definitely more straight ahead hard-rock (with some metal flourishes) but both excellent albums with some of their best songwriting imo.
Youthanasia is still a pretty heavy album, though it's all mid-tempo with no faster songs. Cryptic Writings re-introduced some burners, like The Disintregators, She-Wolf, Vortex and FFF.
So after living with this new record for a bit, has anyone sort of felt Dystopia was a better record? I'm just not having a lot of desire to revisit this new one as often as I did Dystopia...
Count me in as a fan of Youthanasia. Although I really enjoy when they up to tempo on those songs Grapp mentioned on Cryptic. :metal
I feel like Countdown is more considered their "Black album" while Risk is like a pre-emptive St. Anger (though Risk is way better than it gets credit for) if we're comparing the two. Youthanasia and Cryptic Writings are definitely more straight ahead hard-rock (with some metal flourishes) but both excellent albums with some of their best songwriting imo.
Youthanasia is still a pretty heavy album, though it's all mid-tempo with no faster songs. Cryptic Writings re-introduced some burners, like The Disintregators, She-Wolf, Vortex and FFF.
My Last Words is also a top tune.
Youthanasia was the last Megadeth album I bought for years. I did not like the direction the band was going in. I thought Countdown was a huge step down and this was worse. It had a better sound than Countdown though, but as far as being Megadeth....gone was the speed, gone was the heavy thrash. This was more groovy, slow, and well, it wasn't what I wanted from Megadeth. They were evolving into just another band.
Haven't listened to CW in its entirety in a long time... I suppose I should revisit it...
Haven't listened to CW in its entirety in a long time... I suppose I should revisit it...
No need. I took one for the team today. :lol
Haven't listened to CW in its entirety in a long time... I suppose I should revisit it...
No need. I took one for the team today. :lol
Next week I'm doing The World Needs a Hero which I think has some mixed reviews but seems to be a return to metal so that will be interesting.
Post-SOD??
I'm listening a lot to Megadeth the last 2 weeks, including this album.
Interesting you didn't comment on Recipe for Hate... Warhorse, I think it's amazing and the best song in the album.
This album is more mid tempo Megadeth, but it's a good and solid album. I think the clean production sucks out a bit its heaviness, but also highlights the great drum work (by the way, I love Moto Psycho chorus, the drumming is great there!)
Yeah, it's very average. I can't even remember anything about it truthfully.I remember Deadly nightshade, it's pretty cool. Other than that, everything else I remember is because I dislike what it is that I remember. I do not enjoy this album, it's offensively generic. ;D
I just find 13 so uninspired. True, the two albums preceeding it were absolute bangers, but yea, it was disappointing to say the least.
I'm pretty sure I downloaded 13 around the same time as Heritage by Opeth and The Hunter by Mastodon. Fuck that was a disappointing time, I didn't know what was happening to my favourite bands :lol
For Megadeth albums that get slated, I'd take Risk, The System Has Failed and Super Collider over 13, any fucking day.
I just find 13 so uninspired. True, the two albums preceeding it were absolute bangers, but yea, it was disappointing to say the least.
I'm pretty sure I downloaded 13 around the same time as Heritage by Opeth and The Hunter by Mastodon. Fuck that was a disappointing time, I didn't know what was happening to my favourite bands :lol
For Megadeth albums that get slated, I'd take Risk, The System Has Failed and Super Collider over 13, any fucking day.
I tried the Hunter again just the other day, don't understand the hype surrounding it.
Also, TSHF is completely in a different tier than the other 3, no comparison.
So the Kings of Thrash are coming to my local concert venue, wondering if I should check them out. If you aren't aware, this is the band of former Megadeth members David Ellefson and Jeff Young and they are performing "Killing Is My Business… And Business Is Good!" and "So Far, So Good… So What!" in full at these shows.
So the Kings of Thrash are coming to my local concert venue, wondering if I should check them out. If you aren't aware, this is the band of former Megadeth members David Ellefson and Jeff Young and they are performing "Killing Is My Business… And Business Is Good!" and "So Far, So Good… So What!" in full at these shows.
How much are they charging? To be honest, they would have to pay me to go.
I consider Super Collider to be worse than Risk and is probably my least favorite album of theirs. I dug Risk over time, even though it wasn't a really heavy record. Dave sang his ass off and the songs were still very catchy. Super Collider has little value as a Megadeth record, and I remember Ellefson had some comments about it being like "Risk 2" and once the reviews came in, was saying "oh, here we go again....".
Kingmaker and the cover of Cold Sweat have been the only songs I usually go back to, but I will say that over the past few weeks, I've been listening to Forget to Remember a lot. The song was about Dave's mother in law's battle with Alzheimer's and dementia, combined with some ambiguous relationship-like lyrics. My mom has Alzheimer's and the past 6 months have been a very big down-turn and she just went into a memory care facility since she can't live at home with my dad anymore. The song means a lot more to me now than it did when the album was released.
I wouldn't imagine him being on a lot of songs. But a three song run of 2 classics and 1 deep cut/rarity would be nice.
I would say that the artist should have made sure that a contract signed prior to submitting his final artwork to the band.
I would say that the artist should have made sure that a contract signed prior to submitting his final artwork to the band.
I wouldn't imagine him being on a lot of songs. But a three song run of 2 classics and 1 deep cut/rarity would be nice.
"Friedman will join the band, which includes current lead guitarist Kiko Loureiro, for three songs for the gig’s encore."
Cool addition with CTE, but otherwise it's the same stupid setlist over and over again. They released a new album last year that everyone loves and still only two songs are being played from it. I just don't get it.
Cool addition with CTE, but otherwise it's the same stupid setlist over and over again. They released a new album last year that everyone loves and still only two songs are being played from it. I just don't get it.
Because people go to hear those classic songs.
How would you feel if you had seen Lynyrd Skynyrd and they didn't play Free Bird?
To different people, each of those songs can be that person's Free Bird.
So to sell tickets, you play these songs.
Cool addition with CTE, but otherwise it's the same stupid setlist over and over again. They released a new album last year that everyone loves and still only two songs are being played from it. I just don't get it.
Because people go to hear those classic songs.
How would you feel if you had seen Lynyrd Skynyrd and they didn't play Free Bird?
To different people, each of those songs can be that person's Free Bird.
So to sell tickets, you play these songs.
Megadeth don't have a freebird.
Cool addition with CTE, but otherwise it's the same stupid setlist over and over again. They released a new album last year that everyone loves and still only two songs are being played from it. I just don't get it.
Because people go to hear those classic songs.
How would you feel if you had seen Lynyrd Skynyrd and they didn't play Free Bird?
To different people, each of those songs can be that person's Free Bird.
So to sell tickets, you play these songs.
I hear this excuse all the time from fans who refuse to hold bands accountable for some reason.
You’re telling me the fan who only knows the popular songs is more important to please and willing to buy tickets than the fan who knows every song/album inside out?
Yeah, they have "hits" but no freebird. My point (by pointing that out) it's a bad example.
Most bands still can squeze new songs in and play the "hits" but for some reason, Megadeth isn't doing that.
Even Def Leppard are playing 3 new songs and all the hits on their tour.
I agree about finding the balance, but Megadeth have not done that IMO.
I'm pretty sure I mentioned in this thread last summer that I thought their setlist was pretty poor considering they played 1 new song from an album that was already released at that point and had some good fan response to it. I purposely did not buy the album because I felt what's the point if they aren't playing the music even though I have liked what I heard from the album. That was my personal way of showing my lack of support for them based on their set list. DTA expressed his own way of showing no support due to this.
You’re telling me the fan who only knows the popular songs is more important to please and willing to buy tickets than the fan who knows every song/album inside out?
Yeah, they have "hits" but no freebird. My point (by pointing that out) it's a bad example.
Most bands still can squeze new songs in and play the "hits" but for some reason, Megadeth isn't doing that.
Even Def Leppard are playing 3 new songs and all the hits on their tour.
Does new songs mean newest album or recent releases?
Megadeth are playing songs from recent albums, plus the hits. They played 5 more recent songs in a set of 15 in Japan the other night. And if you include all of those 8 songs, so that the casual and newer fans who are attending their first Megadeth show, can hear the "hits" being played, that's about 13 songs out of 15 allowing 2 extra other songs to be played.
What it seems like Megadeth are doing is still touring under the production and show of Dystopia, while also integrating a few newer songs into the Dystopia related set.
You’re telling me the fan who only knows the popular songs is more important to please and willing to buy tickets than the fan who knows every song/album inside out?
That's exactly what Paul Stanley has been telling us for the past 20 years.
Cool addition with CTE, but otherwise it's the same stupid setlist over and over again. They released a new album last year that everyone loves and still only two songs are being played from it. I just don't get it.
Because people go to hear those classic songs.
How would you feel if you had seen Lynyrd Skynyrd and they didn't play Free Bird?
To different people, each of those songs can be that person's Free Bird.
So to sell tickets, you play these songs.
You’re telling me the fan who only knows the popular songs is more important to please and willing to buy tickets than the fan who knows every song/album inside out?
Also, I'm sure some want to see the deep cuts more than me, I just want to see the new music that people seem to really like.Yeah, they have "hits" but no freebird. My point (by pointing that out) it's a bad example.
Most bands still can squeze new songs in and play the "hits" but for some reason, Megadeth isn't doing that.
Even Def Leppard are playing 3 new songs and all the hits on their tour.
Does new songs mean newest album or recent releases?
Megadeth are playing songs from recent albums, plus the hits. They played 5 more recent songs in a set of 15 in Japan the other night. And if you include all of those 8 songs, so that the casual and newer fans who are attending their first Megadeth show, can hear the "hits" being played, that's about 13 songs out of 15 allowing 2 extra other songs to be played.
What it seems like Megadeth are doing is still touring under the production and show of Dystopia, while also integrating a few newer songs into the Dystopia related set.
Cool addition with CTE, but otherwise it's the same stupid setlist over and over again. They released a new album last year that everyone loves and still only two songs are being played from it. I just don't get it.
Because people go to hear those classic songs.
How would you feel if you had seen Lynyrd Skynyrd and they didn't play Free Bird?
To different people, each of those songs can be that person's Free Bird.
So to sell tickets, you play these songs.
I hear this excuse all the time from fans who refuse to hold bands accountable for some reason. You’re telling me the fan who only knows the popular songs is more important to please and willing to buy tickets than the fan who knows every song/album inside out? I refuse to see them because it’s the same songs every time so they're losing ticket sales to that.
They have 5 must-play songs at most - Peace Sells, Holy Wars, Symphony, Hangar, and Trust. They could easily fill in the rest with new songs and different back catalog songs but they choose not to. Probably because Dave doesn’t feel like practicing anymore so he plays songs he can do in his sleep.
If he wants to hang with Metallica so bad, at least do what they do and throw some rarities in for diehard fans.
Cool addition with CTE, but otherwise it's the same stupid setlist over and over again. They released a new album last year that everyone loves and still only two songs are being played from it. I just don't get it.
Because people go to hear those classic songs.
How would you feel if you had seen Lynyrd Skynyrd and they didn't play Free Bird?
To different people, each of those songs can be that person's Free Bird.
So to sell tickets, you play these songs.
I hear this excuse all the time from fans who refuse to hold bands accountable for some reason. You’re telling me the fan who only knows the popular songs is more important to please and willing to buy tickets than the fan who knows every song/album inside out? I refuse to see them because it’s the same songs every time so they're losing ticket sales to that.
They have 5 must-play songs at most - Peace Sells, Holy Wars, Symphony, Hangar, and Trust. They could easily fill in the rest with new songs and different back catalog songs but they choose not to. Probably because Dave doesn’t feel like practicing anymore so he plays songs he can do in his sleep.
If he wants to hang with Metallica so bad, at least do what they do and throw some rarities in for diehard fans.
I don't know if one is MORE important than the other, but there are far more of the former than the latter. Ask any club band that used to play arenas. Ask Genesis. I remember being on the Genesis board (well, it might have been over at Mike's old place) and the rumors were abound that Pete was going to do some Lamb shows. And some dude was all "there's not a stadium big enough to hold the fans that would see that show!!!". Pete bailed, and they promptly booked 20 European stadia and about 20 US stadia and went out as a three piece. The Lamb show would barely fill theaters.
I have a concert buddy I go to many shows with (Marc has met him) and we sort of switch off; if he wants to see someone bad enough I'll go if I know the hits. Vice versa. He's gone with me twice to see Ace Frehley and doesn't give a rat's ass about "Hard Times" from Dynasty. I would argue that Kiss is still playing arenas and bigger amphitheaters because you're guaranteed to hear Love Gun, Detroit Rock City and Rock and Roll All Nite, not side two of The Elder.
It's an excellent album. One of their best.
Mr. Boddy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKTLM2BfxjA
MEGADETH’s Live Performance at Wacken Open Air 2023: Watch the Pro-Shot Video Featuring Marty Friedman
https://lotsofmuzik.com/megadeths-live-performance-at-wacken-open-air-2023-pro-shot-video-inside/
This album is still getting regular spins and I'd say only Youthanasia stayed in my regular rotation as long. Just a really enjoyable album. And thinking about it, Deth, Priest and Metallica are all making great music that I'm really enjoying...in their 60's and 70's. Maiden too except I didn't connect with their most recent one. Great to see all these legacy bands creating new and exciting music and not turning into nostalgia acts.
Kiko participated in a (long) podcast by Rafael Bittencourt (Angra guitarist) and confirmed that he chose not to be in Megadeth for family reasons, as he wants to stay at home because of his children and says he can no longer spend six months away from home. He mentions that he almost missed the birth of his first daughter because he was playing at Rock in Rio with Angra and that 10 days after the birth of the twins he returned to tour with Megadeth.
He said, “that’s what I told Dave, my son needs me more than Megadeth.”
He also mentioned that Megadeth stopped being challenging for him "you play 25 songs in 9 years and that's it".
The podcast is in Portuguese, but the link is below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUhq5m9iHr8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUhq5m9iHr8)
Megadeth’s boring, stale setlists claim yet another victim.So basically a nostalgia act at this point?
But while I am used to the rotating members thing, it has really become stupid at this point, IMO.Kinda shows that the guys in Metallica were right to kick Mustaine to the curb all those years ago if he can't keep a solid lineup.
Megadeth’s boring, stale setlists claim yet another victim.So basically a nostalgia act at this point?
Ridiculous that they're only playing one song from their new album. Can't blame Kiko for splitting. Makes me wonder how much he regrets leaving Angra since he was one of the main guys in that band. I honestly was surprised when he left for Megadeth of all bands. For another big name band that was not notorious for having constantly changing lineups, I could seem him make a move. But for Megadeth?It's brutal. Their setlist has been the same old songs every single tour for the past 20+ years. And their newest album is very highly regarded but they're only playing 1 song from it regularly. I just don't get it. It's like Mustaine refuses to play any songs he can't do in his sleep and expects everyone to be cool with having the same concert experience every single tour. I know Kiko's family is the main reason why he left, but I get it from a creative perspective too. Why lend creative ideas, write songs, and release albums with this band when he never even gets to play them live and has to continually play songs from other guitarists?Megadeth’s boring, stale setlists claim yet another victim.So basically a nostalgia act at this point?
All of what you guys say is true but in Dave's defence, it's not like what Kiko was signing up for in Megadeth would have been a surprise. He knew what he was going into.
It's brutal. Their setlist has been the same old songs every single tour for the past 20+ years. And their newest album is very highly regarded but they're only playing 1 song from it regularly. I just don't get it. It's like Mustaine refuses to play any songs he can't do in his sleep and expects everyone to be cool with having the same concert experience every single tour. I know Kiko's family is the main reason why he left, but I get it from a creative perspective too. Why lend creative ideas, write songs, and release albums with this band when he never even gets to play them live and has to continually play songs from other guitarists?
All of what you guys say is true but in Dave's defence, it's not like what Kiko was signing up for in Megadeth would have been a surprise. He knew what he was going into.Right, which is part of the reason why I'm really surprised Kiko would leave his own band for another one, knowing that it was basically run by a dictator and that he would be very limited in a variety of ways. Just the fact that he's summed up his reason for leaving as "freedom" speaks volumes. Why would he have put himself in that position in the first place is what I struggle to understand.
All of what you guys say is true but in Dave's defence, it's not like what Kiko was signing up for in Megadeth would have been a surprise. He knew what he was going into.Right, which is part of the reason why I'm really surprised Kiko would leave his own band for another one, knowing that it was basically run by a dictator and that he would be very limited in a variety of ways. Just the fact that he's summed up his reason for leaving as "freedom" speaks volumes. Why would he have put himself in that position in the first place is what I struggle to understand.
All of what you guys say is true but in Dave's defence, it's not like what Kiko was signing up for in Megadeth would have been a surprise. He knew what he was going into.Right, which is part of the reason why I'm really surprised Kiko would leave his own band for another one, knowing that it was basically run by a dictator and that he would be very limited in a variety of ways. Just the fact that he's summed up his reason for leaving as "freedom" speaks volumes. Why would he have put himself in that position in the first place is what I struggle to understand.
Yeah, it must have been the money and the stability. I don't know his personal life but maybe he was starting / having a family already back then, so the money could have helped in that regard.
Also, Megadeth brings big stages and big tours, which musician would pass on that?
And while Dave Mustaine = Megadeth, at this point he should really consider getting a singer and stay on guitars, people would come to the show anyway as long as he's there. But it's probably too late to change now, it's not a reverse Gamma Ray situation where Ralph Scheepers was there for only three albums...
All of what you guys say is true but in Dave's defence, it's not like what Kiko was signing up for in Megadeth would have been a surprise. He knew what he was going into.Right, which is part of the reason why I'm really surprised Kiko would leave his own band for another one, knowing that it was basically run by a dictator and that he would be very limited in a variety of ways. Just the fact that he's summed up his reason for leaving as "freedom" speaks volumes. Why would he have put himself in that position in the first place is what I struggle to understand.
The pay rise from Angra to Megadeth would have been far too good to pass up, you can't blame him for making the move. It would have almost been silly for him not to jump ship.
Yeah, it must have been the money and the stability. I don't know his personal life but maybe he was starting / having a family already back then, so the money could have helped in that regard.
Also, Megadeth brings big stages and big tours, which musician would pass on that?
Yeah, it must have been the money and the stability. I don't know his personal life but maybe he was starting / having a family already back then, so the money could have helped in that regard.Stability is not something I would think of when talking about somebody joining Megadeth, but maybe that's just me. :lol
Also, Megadeth brings big stages and big tours, which musician would pass on that?Totally understandable, especially for someone like his replacement Teemu who I had never heard of before. But it's not like Kiko wasn't in a sizable band before Megadeth. Angra may not have had quite the same level of popularity as Megadeth at least in North America, but I've always been under the impression that they have much more significant popularity in Europe and obviously South America (dunno about Asia/Oz). How that compares to Megadeth's audiences in those territories, I don't know, but I don't think the disparity would be as large.
Yeah, I think this is it. Kiko's been in Megadeth for the same reason Verbeuren has been, why Jeff Loomis is in Arch Enemy, why Chris Broderick went to In Flames rather than keeping on with Act of Defiance or going back to Jag Panzer. It's not because they're the most challenging or artistically fulfilling gigs. At some point some musicians get tired of struggling and just want a steady paycheck.Honestly, I know that Loomis and Broderick joined those bands, but that's about all I know about either one of them (OK, I know AE has a blue haired chick as their vocalist, too). Do either of them have the same notoriety that Megadeth has for having a dictator and a rotating door of supporting musicians?
I think Michael and Angela are pretty much the dictators of Arch Enemy, haven't really followed them the last few albums though but I think they have had their issues in the past perhaps?
Yeah, it must have been the money and the stability. I don't know his personal life but maybe he was starting / having a family already back then, so the money could have helped in that regard.Stability is not something I would think of when talking about somebody joining Megadeth, but maybe that's just me. :lol
I think the disparity is pretty large. Angra is awesome, and I like them way better than Megadeth, but Megadeth is on another level as far as popularity goes. You might correct me on this, but I think Megadeth is on at least a slightly higher level than Dream Theater is. I think if they were at the same festival they'd be billed higher, and I think. And Angra isn't really near Dream Theater. I'm not saying Kiko or anyone in Angra was starving, but being in Megadeth certainly is more profitable and higher profile. I doubt Kiko joined Megadeth solely for the paycheck - I think there were probably a number of factors. More money, touring, bigger venues, sure. But also more exposure and more doors being opened to him to further his career. More contacts. And also he was a fan, so it was probably a bit of a thrill. And Marty Friedman's stuff, I've heard, is not easy to play so he probably was challenged and engaged. Maybe he didn't get to do much songwriting but he probably learned a lot of things along the way. He certainly increased his online presence a lot.Also, Megadeth brings big stages and big tours, which musician would pass on that?Totally understandable, especially for someone like his replacement Teemu who I had never heard of before. But it's not like Kiko wasn't in a sizable band before Megadeth. Angra may not have had quite the same level of popularity as Megadeth at least in North America, but I've always been under the impression that they have much more significant popularity in Europe and obviously South America (dunno about Asia/Oz). How that compares to Megadeth's audiences in those territories, I don't know, but I don't think the disparity would be as large.
I think Michael and Angela are pretty much the dictators of Arch Enemy, haven't really followed them the last few albums though but I think they have had their issues in the past perhaps?
To my knowledge, the only issue I've heard of was voiced by Warrel Dane when he was still alive. Progpower USA was trying to book a Nevermore reunion and the one snag they hit was that Jeff's contract with Arch Enemy would not allow him to participate in the reunion. Warrel wrote it once on the Nevermore forum and then deleted the post. I think the same thing was said by his solo band's guitarist (Thiago?) after Warrel died.
If Kiko ever returns to Angra (didn't someone mention in the MP thread that legally he's still a "member", at least for the bureocratic side of things?), at this point they should go the Iron Maiden route and use three guitarists.
Anyway, doesn't he live in Finland now, which is the reason why he knew his replacement to begin with? I mean, Angra has an italian singer but bringing back Kiko as he lives in Finland feels a bit too much.....
If Kiko ever returns to Angra (didn't someone mention in the MP thread that legally he's still a "member", at least for the bureocratic side of things?), at this point they should go the Iron Maiden route and use three guitarists.
Anyway, doesn't he live in Finland now, which is the reason why he knew his replacement to begin with? I mean, Angra has an italian singer but bringing back Kiko as he lives in Finland feels a bit too much.....
Yes, that was me. Paulo Baron (Angra's manager) was asked about the Kiko/Megadeth situation a few weeks ago and he said they are usually in touch because Kiko still is an active member of the Angra management. That makes total sense, since the only reason he left Angra was to join Megadeth, an opportunity not many would pass. There was no drama or any kind of hard feelings involved during that split, unlike with Aquiles or Edu as far as I know.
Now, funny that you mention the IM three guitarists thing, becasue IIRC Rafael said a few years ago they would totally go that route if Kiko ever wanted to come back. Now, I don't know how having a 6th member would affect their income, as Angra isn't the biggest band ever, but I imagine since Kiko is still part of their management, he probably still has some sort of fixed salary coming from the band. Maybe it'd be just the same thing, but with him actually "back" in the band writing, recording and touring full time.
I don't think he's going to join any major bands anytime soon, though, considering he still has those home priorities (his biggest responsibility) and then he's also finishing another solo album, if I'm not mistaken. However, I'd totally love to see him back with Angra, as that's a much more interesting band musically than Megadeth and I haven't been a huge fan of Marcelo's input with them overall. But now that you mention he's living in Finland it makes things a bit more complicated too. Wasn't he neighbors with Derek Sherinian in LA at some point?*
As for Megadeth, well... Dave is Megadeth and he's always going to be the only fixed member of the band. I have absolutely no doubt that they'll keep changing drummers, guitarists and now bassists every once in a while until Dave decides to retire. Also, the new guys in the band will always be the best players according to Dave :lol
*Here's hoping for a Derek, Kiko, Mangini project someday :P
Finished my listen to the recent Megadeth releases.
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I'd rate their last five releases like this:
1. Endgame
2. TSTD&TD
3. Dystopia
4. Supercollider
5. Thirteen
Gonna hit the TWNAH-TSHF-UA run this week.
The System Has Failed was the one that really made me take notice of Megadeth again.
OK, I hit these in the last two days..
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I seem to be going backwards...
Updated rankings
1. Endgame
2. TSTD&TD
3. Dystopia
4. The System Has Failed
5. United Abominations
6. Supercollider
7. The World Needs A Hero
8. Thirteen
1. Endgame
2. TSTD&TD
3. Dystopia
4. The System Has Failed
5. United Abominations
6. Cryptic Writings
7. Supercollider
8. The World Needs A Hero
9. Thirteen
10. Risk
I'm surprised the new one is still in the second spot, it didn't age as well for me as I thought it would.
I always thought Risk was an okay album for what it is too. There's some interesting songs IMO.
I could understand I real time how it may have been a disappointment. I love the melody throughout it.
Korn with those two bands is interesting. Although I would have been when they were just starting out.
I could understand I real time how it may have been a disappointment. I love the melody throughout it.
Korn with those two bands is interesting. Although I would have been when they were just starting out.
I saw Korn 6 months later opening for Ozzy and they still sucked.
Youthanasia has aged really well. I also didn't love Countdown To Extinction either. Megadeth to me always had a dirtier sound, and CTE was way to razor clean for me.
I love Youthanasia so much. Same with Cryptic Writings.
I saw the live debut of Breadline on the Risk tour - the it was the first time they had played that song. Got a Marty Friedman guitar pick from that show too. For some reason, I really liked the setlist on that tour - it was a big solid chunk of 1990's Megadeth, with a few older songs. I've seen them play more ripping sets later on, but I remember loving that show, though they didn't play Reckoning Day.
Prince of Darkness
Holy Wars... The Punishment Due
In My Darkest Hour
Train of Consequences
Hangar 18
Breadline
(Live premiere)
A Secret Place
She-Wolf
A tout le monde
Almost Honest
Crush 'Em
Use the Man
Trust
Insomnia
Sweating Bullets
Symphony of Destruction
Peace Sells
Encore:
Paranoid
Anarchy in the U.K.
Supercollider fucking sucks. I liked Kingmaker when it came out, but hated the rest. In the last year since my mom's Alzheimer's has gotten worse, I've gone back to this album a lot to listen to Forget to Remember. I love that Dave wrote this song. :heart
I'll chime in.
UA is easily my favourite post-RiP album, and it holds a special place in my heart.
In the last year since my mom's Alzheimer's has gotten worse, I've gone back to this album a lot to listen to Forget to Remember. I love that Dave wrote this song. :heart
My mom doesn’t enjoy a lot of thrash metal but she can’t get enough of that one.
UA is easily my favourite post-RiP album, and it holds a special place in my heart.
Why's that?
I'm fascinated by TAC's take. Rarely does someone rank five albums from 2000 onwards above Countdown, Youthanasia and Cryptic. That's pretty cool. :tup
I'm fascinated by TAC's take. Rarely does someone rank five albums from 2000 onwards above Countdown, Youthanasia and Cryptic. That's pretty cool. :tup
I'm fascinated by TAC's take. Rarely does someone rank five albums from 2000 onwards above Countdown, Youthanasia and Cryptic. That's pretty cool. :tup
My mom doesn’t enjoy a lot of thrash metal but she can’t get enough of that one.
Not to make light of what Grappler posted, but then you posted this and it cracked me up. Like it's now the Mother's thread. :lol
OK, this is where I'm settling for now. Posting my Top 3 songs for each album as well.Cool to se the love for SFSGSW - I always thought that album was super underrated. I absolutely love Into the Lungs of Hell - killer instrumental track.
1. So Far So Good So What In My Darkest Hour, Mary Jane, Set The World Afire
2. Endgame 44 Minutes, This Day We Fight, 1320
3. Rust In Peace Five Magics, Poison Was The Cure, Rust In Peace...Polaris
4. TSTD&TD Dogs Of Chernobyl, Life In Hell, We'll Be Back
5. Dystopia Fatal Illusion, Conquer Or Die, Dystopia
6. Peace Sells My Last Words, Wake Up Dead, The Conjuring
7. The System Has Failed Blackmail The Universe, The Scorpion, Kick The Chair
8. United Abominations Washington Is Next, Sleepwalker, Play For Blood
9. Killing Is My Business Killing Is My Business, Mechanix, Looking Down The Cross
10. Cryptic Writings She Wolf, The Disintegrators, Vortex
11. Youthanasia Black Curtains, The Killing Road, Victory
12. Countdown To Extinction This Was My Life, Ashes In Your Mouth, Skin O' My Teeth
13. Supercollider Kingmaker, Dance In The Rain, Don't Turn Your Back
14. The World Needs A Hero Recipe For Hate...Warhorse, Dread And The Fugitive Mind, Burning Bridges
15. Thirteen Black Swan, Never Dead, Sudden Death
16. Risk Prince Of Darkness, Breadline, Time: The End
My mom never understood my love of metal. When I was a teenager and off at school, she'd go through my cd's and read the lyrics to make sure I wasn't listening to awful stuff. The albums I had at that time were Metallica, Megadeth, Ozzy, Anthrax and....Slayer. I'm sure some of the Slayer and Pantera lyrics shocked her, but I proved to her that the music wasn't making me into a different kind of person.
In the mid-00's, I took my mom and dad out to see a local band (my dad knew the guitarist through his work, and I LOVED the band). Watching this bar band play live and having a few drinks in her loosened her up and she leaned over to me and said "I get why you like the music now." That moment meant so much to me - she wouldn't ever truly like metal, but she saw through the loudness to a local band's melodicism, songwriting and playing talent.
Cool to se the love for SFSGSW - I always thought that album was super underrated. I absolutely love Into the Lungs of Hell - killer instrumental track.
I absolutely love Into the Lungs of Hell - killer instrumental track.
I always considered So Far, So Good my least favorite of the first 4 albums. I tried many times, as many people I know have praised it over time, but I always left with the feeling that's a mess of an album. I mean, maybe that's the point of it :biggrin: It certainly has the crazy rawness early Megadeth is know for, but I would never think of ranking it higher than, say, Peace Sells or Rust in Peace.
Also interesting to see Endgame so high - in particular, higher than RIP! The other big difference vs. Tim's ranking would be for CTE, which I really like. I'd rank it higher than Youthanasia and, likely, all of the albums after that one.
I think the strength of Endgame comes in the sheer consistency across the whole album. I think with most Megadeth albums for me anyway, they all come out of the gates pretty strong but struggle to maintain that level of consistency til the end. I feel Endgame is pretty much a very strong album from start to finish.
I think the strength of Endgame comes in the sheer consistency across the whole album. I think with most Megadeth albums for me anyway, they all come out of the gates pretty strong but struggle to maintain that level of consistency til the end. I feel Endgame is pretty much a very strong album from start to finish.
Other than "The Hardest Part of Letting Go...Sealed With a Kiss," I agree. And I'd say without that song, it's probably my favorite Megadeth album, post-Countdown.
Interesting. Never had an issue with it myself, I too think it builds nicely.
Interesting. Never had an issue with it myself, I too think it builds nicely.
Musically, it's fine. It's Dave's whining.