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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Slipknot on January 15, 2016, 08:24:40 PM
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Is there a forum here for my band?
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No.
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you are probably not going to find many slipknot fans on dtf
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Like them, got back into them last October. The Gray Chapter was really good
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Yeah Gray Chapter is good. I remember talking about Slipknot in a thread, don't know which one. I know people liking Vol.3 a lot.
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I liked them when I was in highschool and quickly outgrew them.
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Slipknot is pretty good. Corey Taylor is a great vocalist and an awesome dude.
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Yeah Corey is one hell of a vocalist.
Ilike Slipknot a lot but I never got the whole hype over the new album.Ilike Devil in I and Nomadic but thats it. Maybe the emotional value to them adds to the album or something?
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There's actually a few Slipknot threads. You should try the search fuction. It is your friend.
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you are probably not going to find many slipknot fans on dtf
You'd be surprised.
Another huge fan here. Subliminal verses changed my life, I caught the band three times. They still kick ass, both live and in terms of new music.
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There's actually a few Slipknot threads. You should try the search fuction. It is your friend.
If I'm not mistaken the only Slipknot thread is the one about Paul Gray, and that whole thread is pretty disgraceful, people joking around about his death..
Subliminal verses changed my life
Also this. What a game changer for them, a record I think no one expected after something like IOWA. I know the band is mostly known for crazy masks and weird lyrics, but this album had some incredible songwriting, aswell as actual ballads.
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Like them, got back into them last October. The Gray Chapter was really good
What Tommy said.
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All Hope Is Gone ( I know the band don't like it )
Volume 3
The Gray Chapter
IOWA
Slipknot
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you are probably not going to find many slipknot fans on dtf
Yeah, we're much too sophisticated for Slipknot around here, what with our DAY AFTER DAY AND NIGHT AFTER NIGHT.
I haven't listened to their last few albums, as I just don't really check out new metal these days at all, but they were one of my favourite bands at the time of their s/t and Iowa, and Vol. 3 was even better than those. There are at least a handful of brilliant songs on each of those albums.
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I like the song Snuff. The rest is meh.
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There's actually a few Slipknot threads. You should try the search fuction. It is your friend.
If I'm not mistaken the only Slipknot thread is the one about Paul Gray, and that whole thread is pretty disgraceful, people joking around about his death..
You know how I knew there were a few existing Slipknot threads? I used the search function.
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Let's see
Purity
Gently
Skin Ticket
Circle
Vermilion pt. 2
Don't know the ballads on the next two, but those are awesome. I got really hurt looking at their Setlist before our show and they were playing Purity only to find they swapped that for Vermillion, which was just mean.
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I will always love Vol. 3, which is quite a unique album I think. And Gray Chapters had some cool tunes for sure.
Also, Stone Sour's House of Gold and Bones (parts 1 and 2) concept is fantastic. I was blown away when I checked that one out with the thoughts "hey, I used to listen to them a lot, lets see what they are producing nowadays".
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I'm still a fan. Formerly obsessed in high school. Seen them twice. Iowa is by far their best album, as far as I'm concerned. So fucking ferocious.
Here's the best picture I took last time they played Dallas.
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There's actually a few Slipknot threads. You should try the search fuction. It is your friend.
If I'm not mistaken the only Slipknot thread is the one about Paul Gray, and that whole thread is pretty disgraceful, people joking around about his death..
You know how I knew there were a few existing Slipknot threads? I used the search function.
In fairness, the search function is kinda unreliable at times.
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I've been getting into them more and more, along with Stone Sour. Really enjoyed the most recent albums from each of them.
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The last album is their best by far imho, followed closely by Vol. 3
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I reaaaallly wanna say that this guy was trolling and isn't ever going to post again and like the fucking bosses that we are, DTF was just like "Nah bitch, nah; this shit is legit and we're going to talk about it srsly".
:lol :corn :metal
But then again maybe he was srsbznss and just so happens to love Slipknot that much and just doesn't post but once every month. I really hope he was a troll and DTF just turned that shit upside down. Please don't ever post again, Slipknot! (just kidding)
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Yea his attitude in the DT subforum kinda annoyed me, but what the hell, he created a Slipknot thread that is actually accessible through the search function (if there really are more slipknot threads, they don't show up when I search them so idm).
While I'm at it, I don't want to be completely off-topic. Been listening to Snuff a LOT lately, what an amazing song.
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I reaaaallly wanna say that this guy was trolling and isn't ever going to post again and like the fucking bosses that we are, DTF was just like "Nah bitch, nah; this shit is legit and we're going to talk about it srsly".
:lol :corn :metal
But then again maybe he was srsbznss and just so happens to love Slipknot that much and just doesn't post but once every month. I really hope he was a troll and DTF just turned that shit upside down. Please don't ever post again, Slipknot! (just kidding)
I'm back, careful with those accusations. You are wrong, fucked and overated. I want to know your thoughts on my band, plus the Astonishing is gonna be fucking heavy.
PUT YOUR HANDS IN THE FUCKING AIR AND JUMP THE FUCK UP!!
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everything i've heard about the astonishing suggests that it's going to be one of DT's lightest albums, actually, but :lol
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Guys...he's back, I better be careful and it's confirmed: I am wrong, fucked and overrated (waitwut :lol QUIT OVERLY RATING ME ). Noooiiice! We got a winner.
Man, maybe it's just me but there's been a lot of these synths comin' round hurr lately... :o OOOOR. OOOOOR...it's one really bored guy. I can't decide.
Keep on keepin' on. I'm just here for the funs and the talk talk. :corn
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You folks need to learn how to use the (slightly malfunctional) search bar.
As long as you know the thing you're searching for will be in the thread title, you should:
1) Leave it blank, and hit search.
2) A message will come up saying YOU LEFT IT BLANK DIPSHIT, and you click Advanced Search.
3) Search what ails you and check "Search in topic subjects only".
The results are always tons better that way.
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There's actually a few Slipknot threads. You should try the search fuction. It is your friend.
What is a "search fuction?"
Use the MODIFY feature. It wants to be your friend.
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Yeah, I recall there being at least one Slipknot thread in the past.
I am a big fan. The Gray Chapter was good. It's hard to rank the albums but my favourite is Vol. 3: The Subliminal Verses.
In the past I always preferred Slipknot to Stone Sour (even if in theory Stone Sour's style should be more suitable for my tastes), but I think that Stone Sour may have surpassed Slipknot with House Of Gold And Bones.
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Corey is fairly down to earth and is really well spoken and can anecdote like a mofo...
But he does swear way too much :p
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I like Slipknot. Great music to work out to and I love Corey Taylor's voice. I still prefer Stone Sour though.
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*all kinds of stuff*
Is this guy trying to make us think that he's a member of Slipknot?
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*all kinds of stuff*
Is this guy trying to make us think that he's a member of Slipknot?
Actually now that you say it, it does seem like it.
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There's actually a few Slipknot threads. You should try the search fuction. It is your friend.
What is a "search fuction?"
See the big white rectangle in the upper right corner of each forum main page? That's a search bar.
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Hef!
REALLY?
You DON'T know the difference between "fuction" and FUNCTION???
Maybe some of the others saw the humor in what I said...
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Yea, I saw it, but I didn't exactly think it was funny
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...And that would be because...?...
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Cause it's kind of like...the easiest thing to do in jest...point out a typo and be like "GU-HURR WUTS DAT!?" Kind of like a pre-teen's notion of great humor.
Boy, this thread.
It delivers.
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Snuff
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Cause it's kind of like...the easiest thing to do in jest...point out a typo and be like "GU-HURR WUTS DAT!?" Kind of like a pre-teen's notion of great humor.
Boy, this thread.
It delivers.
You seem oblivious to the fact that my questions weren't intended for you. Instead of attacking me and picking apart everything I say, you need to start working at just minding your own business. Instead of getting into a protracted argument with you-as much as I hate having to be a "SNITCH"-if you don't knock it off with that shit-from now the fuck on, I'm just going to turn it directly over to the MODERATORS, and let THEM deal with you. And I really don't care if that SCARES you or not, so don't bother with the sarcastic rebuttals.
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Cause it's kind of like...the easiest thing to do in jest...point out a typo and be like "GU-HURR WUTS DAT!?" Kind of like a pre-teen's notion of great humor.
Boy, this thread.
It delivers.
You seem oblivious to the fact that my questions weren't intended for you. Instead of attacking me and picking apart everything I say, you need to start working at just minding your own business. Instead of getting into a protracted argument with you-as much as I hate having to be a "SNITCH"-if you don't knock it off with that shit-from now the fuck on, I'm just going to turn it directly over to the MODERATORS, and let THEM deal with you. And I really don't care if that SCARES you or not, so don't bother with the sarcastic rebuttals.
Your "joke" wasn't funny. Now please remove the stick from your ass and get over it.
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if you don't knock it off with that shit-from now the fuck on, I'm just going to turn it directly over to the MODERATORS, and let THEM deal with you. And I really don't care if that SCARES you or not, so don't bother with the sarcastic rebuttals.
You're like the guy that most deserves to be banned because of your many temper issues so that's pretty much a joke coming from you ::)
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what the fuction is going on in this thread?
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:rollin
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Holy fuck this thread. Must be my favourite so far this year. :corn
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This thread has led me to put on Slipknot for the first time in a wee while.
Back in the day, I was hugely fond of the weird, often longer, repetitive psychotic trance tracks they had on their first few albums. Stuff like Tattered and Torn, Scissors, Gently, and Skin Ticket.
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Yea Tattered & Torn especially I was just amazed at how creepy it was, but looking back at it those kind of Slipknot songs really don't interest me anymore. The only Slipknot I still out-right adore purely for the amazing atmosphere is Danger - Keep Away, I'll never get sick of that song.
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I still think Skin Ticket is brilliant. I love how he spends the entire second half of the song going KEEPING MYSELF ALIVE, but the music is constantly shifting around and doing different things under it, so it doesn't ever get boring, at least to me.
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what the fuction is going on in this thread?
I don't the fuction KNOW!!!
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what the fuction is going on in this thread?
I don't the fuction KNOW!!!
Jesus christ can you stop this? It was never funny and never will be. :facepalm:
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Everyone calm down and stay on topic.
Sheesh
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Dream Theater > > > > > > > > Slipknot.
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Everyone calm down and stay on topic.
Sheesh
Calm down? we should JUMP DA FUCK UP!!!!! :metal :metal :metal
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OKAY MOTHERFUCKERS YOU ALL KNOW THIS ONE SING ALONG!! :metal :metal
'Bout time I set this record straight
All the needle nose punchin' is makin' me irate
Sick o' my bitchin' fallin' on deaf ears
Where you gonna be in the next five years?
The crew and all the fools, and all the politics
Get your lips ready, gonna gag, gonna make you sick
You got dick when they passed out the good stuff
Bam Are you sick of me? JUMP DA FUCK UP AND SPIT IT OUT!! :metal
Yeah Spit It Out is some good concert material
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The early lyrics still aren't as downright terrible as that Limp Bizkit song which has like 50 "fuck"'s in it. :facepalm:
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Everyone calm down and stay on topic.
Sheesh
Calm down? we should JUMP DA FUCK UP!!!!! :metal :metal :metal
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The early lyrics still aren't as downright terrible as that Limp Bizkit song which has like 50 "fuck"'s in it. :facepalm:
Hot Dog is instrumentally really good though. And I appreciate the overly silly lyrics. :lol
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The early stuff is heavy, in your face and honestly angry, but I prefer their more mature stuff. Still, tracks like Wait and bleed, Spit it out, Liberate or Purity get me going indeed. :metal
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The first time I heard Volume 3 I thought it sounded great but in retrospect the guitars have not much definition or power.
All Hope Is Gone sounds a lot better.
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I don't know a lot of their tunes, and they're by no means a favourite of mine, but I do think they know how to put on a bloody good show, chaps.
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From what i've heard - Corey is pretty poor live. He does a much weaker scream and is always out of breath and forgets lyrics.
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I've only ever seen DVDs and live streams and he sounds pretty on point considering how demanding the vocal parts are.
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Well, the one thing I think everyone can agree on, is that Corey Taylor can get a crowd going like no other, really a phenomenal frontman. But yeah I've noticed when they played songs like Spit It Out (with the nu-metal heavy sound) where Corey has to do harsh vox very quickly, he tends to either be very hard to understand or actually skip over 1 or 2 words.
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The behind the scenes DVD for All Hope is Gone is pretty good. Paul wrote some awesome riffs .
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Not a Slipknot fan anymore but their atmospheric stuff is still enjoyable every once in a while:
Purity
Prosthetics
Scissors
Skin Ticket
Iowa
The virus of life
Gehenna
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but I think that Stone Sour may have surpassed Slipknot with House Of Gold And Bones.
You share my thoughts there, but I haven't listened to them at all since part 2 came out. (I enjoyed both parts thourally though)
And I haven't listened to Slipknot not since listening to the Grey Chapter a few times.
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Slipknot is great. I don't know why they get shit on by so many metalheads. The debut is a bonafide classic, and they've managed to put out quality music over the last 15 years.
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They could be a 5 piece and their albums would sound pretty much the same.
Live - the percussionists barely do anything at all.
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Ok, but why is that relevant? The music would still sound the same if it were 3 members who played multiple instruments instead of 9 members who each do something different. The final product is what matters
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It's relevant because that's one thing they often get shit for apart from the actual music. If you've seen them live or seen live recordings you know Chris and Shawn basically just goof around on stage with little use to the actual show.
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I've never seen them live but I've seen videos and I agree that's what they primarily do. Still don't get why it's a bad thing.
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I think that percussion and effects play an enormous role in Slipknot, but only when you listen to the studio albums. Most of the great percussion or DJ bits cannot be heard during the live performances, which is truly a shame. I remember seeing them playing Sarcastrophy live, during which Sid Wilson is supposed to do some really cool stuff, but he just kept running and jumping around the stage instead of "playing", I guess.
The samples are still there, though.
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I've never seen them live but I've seen videos and I agree that's what they primarily do. Still don't get why it's a bad thing.
Agreed, it's all part of the act and is a big part of the draw for lots of fans. Personally I don't care, but I wouldn't criticise them for it.
In terms of their music, I have very little interest in their first two albums. There are some fleeting good moments but most of it is a horribly-produced mush for which I was certainly not the target audience. Vol 3 onwards has been much, much better IMO.
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Does Ross Robinson still "produce". Every thing i've seen about him is just ludicrous. He thinks true passion can only come from suffering / negative emotions.
He pisses off every band he works with deliberately and then records them playing in a shitty mood. He'll use shitty takes if he thinks it has the right amount of pissed off playing.
Idiot.
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Well, I don't think it's fair to call him an idiot. It's an artistic choice, and he clearly gets the sound he wants. If that's the only style he goes for, then he's clearly very limited as an artist, but that doesn't make it bad. Just not for me.
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Corey said he once made him do vocals all day on Iowa until his voice was completely gone and of course he used those takes...
His albums don't even sound good. The last self titled Korn album he did was so weak sounding.
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They could be a 5 piece and their albums would sound pretty much the same.
Live - the percussionists barely do anything at all.
This is true, but for all we know those "extra" members are important for the group dynamics and songwriting. I know the clown does most (if not all) media production, which includes directing the videoclips. And that has been extremely importants to their success. And Sid does many samples and DJ stuff on the albums. Live they are there to rile up to crowd and entertain, with some backup "vocals" and percussion here and there. I'd say they are a crucial element to Slipknots success, even though they appear to be less involved in the live shows as actual musicians. Somewhat like some bands have mascots, Slipknot presents additional people on stage for the sake of entertainment.
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Bump?
Slipknot's latest album We Are Not Your Kind is #1 album right now :metal
Not a huge fan of Corey Tayler the person, but love his vocals and this album is actually pretty solid. Seeing them tonight in PA and then next Friday in NJ. Their Knotfest Roadshow has solid support from Volbeat (who doesn't seem to fit here, but they have solid music), Gojira (I want to see them sooo badly), and Behemoth (not my thing).
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I love Iowa and Vol. 3
But am not all that into the new album so far. The first single is hot though.
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Their new album is their best imo. Like it a lot, not a big fan of their other albums.
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My friend said they weren't into it either, I didn't love it on my first listen but it's settling in real nice now. The back half isn't as strong besides the closer, Solway Firth, maybe my favorite of the album. The three singles may be the best songs though, Nero Forte is awesome as well.
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Their new album is their best imo. Like it a lot, not a big fan of their other albums.
Haven't been interested in their last couple but might have to check it out then.
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His albums don't even sound good. The last self titled Korn album he did was so weak sounding.
I know this comment is 3 years old but I can't help but take offense.
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So old kotow cant even defend himself here.
But I don't have all of their albums, I can say We Are Not Your Kind sounds REALLY good. Much better than their older stuff in terms of production and sound IMO. I never enjoyed the trash can banging until this album really.
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As someone who had a Slipknot phase when I was young and have appreciated some of their work ever since, this album is excellent. Have been listening to it all week. Not a single song I don't like actually (I don't consider the three atmospheric tracks songs). Still a weird choice to omit All Out of Life from the album, but I really like that one as well. Wanted to post, but couldn't find this thread. This album has a lot of buzz and rightfully so.
My favourites are Spiders (an out of the left field song in the best kind of way), Orphan (has all the elements of Slipknot throughout the years in one great package), and Red Flag (a more typical classic one).
Watched the Download 19 stream and really enjoyed it, as someone who thought most Slipknot live concerts aren't that great (Corey usually struggles, love him as a studio singer though, especially for Stone Sour). They uploaded four songs from Download 19: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3pOu-3ZKjk&t=1332s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3pOu-3ZKjk&t=1332s). Actually hope they will release it at one point, because the show destroys that Days of the Gusano show from a couple of years back.
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I think Red Flad and Orphan are the best from the back half but Spider is really odd for me, heading out to see them now. Looking forward to capturing some good video, hopefully Corey's mask too lol :metal
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I think Red Flad and Orphan are the best from the back half but Spider is really odd for me, heading out to see them now. Looking forward to capturing some good video, hopefully Corey's mask too lol :metal
Considering going to them in Amsterdam early next year. I listened to Corey Taylor a whole lot for like 15 years and even if he has a bad day vocally, he is just a fantastic entertainer and always gets the crowd going (both Slipknot and Stone Sour, but also his guest appearances in a lot of different things, and his acoustic show that was recorded a couple of years back).
Anyways, I am sure it will be a great show!
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I'd love to see them in Amsterdam, Ziggo Dome? That would be sick.
Awesome show last night. Really great night. My favorite song from the new album
Slipknot - Solway Firth Live @ Montage Mountain PA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5b4XEKWZU)
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I'd love to see them in Amsterdam, Ziggo Dome? That would be sick.
Awesome show last night. Really great night. My favorite song from the new album
Slipknot - Solway Firth Live @ Montage Mountain PA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5b4XEKWZU)
They sound great! And yes, Ziggodome, one of our best larger venues (as it's specifically made for concerts, unlike general event halls, footballstadia or sports halls).
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My amsterdam coworker is leaving soon, meaning I may have to go out there more for coverage. I hope if I do, it aligns with a show like this.
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I really do love the new stage presentation they have going and the white suits. Their masks are all really cool this go around, especially Sid's. For some reason, and I know it doesn't matter, I really miss Chris though. He had a great stage presence. Not that Tortilla Man doesn't, but Chris was one of my favorites.
Anyways, I hope on their next North American tour, they come to Minnesota. For some reason, their US tours are usually pretty short or focus on the coasts and never make it up here. They haven't been here since 2009 I think. I've never been to one of their shows and they seem like they would have one of the loudest concerts ever and the energy is insane. Cool to see more videos!
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Cool to see more videos!
I'm going back to the show this Friday (day 1 of my 1 month off :metal) and that show is local so I expect to get more and better video. This venue last weekend had no slopes to the seated section so there were lots of heads in the way. I have a better view (although a little further away) for Friday and I'll get there on time for Behemoth. Here's my full video from Saturday and I'll admit, it's not one of my better ones, I think the Gojira set came out the best Knotfest Roadshow Montage Mountain PA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5VRCNB1ldw)
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Slipknot - Unsainted Live NJ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6srCBJc7OA)
Slipknot - All Out Life Live NJ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S_Y4fooucI)
with those and this from last week Slipknot - Solway Firth Live PA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5b4XEKWZU)
that's all three new songs they are performing live and I must say, I really really like all of these. :metal :metal
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I was so happy to finally hear Prosthetics live.
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Slipknot - Unsainted Live NJ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6srCBJc7OA)
Slipknot - All Out Life Live NJ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S_Y4fooucI)
with those and this from last week Slipknot - Solway Firth Live PA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5b4XEKWZU)
that's all three new songs they are performing live and I must say, I really really like all of these. :metal :metal
I honestly wouldn't even mind if they did the entire new album live. For me it is one of those rare cases a band makes their best album after a 20+ years career. And yes, those three sound great live from what I have heard.
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That stage setup is so cool. Thanks for posting those cram! Unsainted has really grown on me this week--the new album as a whole has really grown on me. It's great.
At that show, backstage, Jay and Max Weinberg and Jim recreated the photo from when Jay was a kid and Max took him to see Slipknot at the same arena. And now Jay is in the band. So cool
https://www.instagram.com/p/B11OUtvli3_/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/B11OUtvli3_/)
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That is one of the coolest things I've ever seen.
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That is cool, and I see he posted a picture with Jerry Only at the show too, so cool Jerry was on stage filming his daughter on stage with Volbeat and then him and his daughter sat in their seats right near me and I got to meet him. What a wonderful evening and show.
I put it in other threads too, but I went to the Slipknot Whiskey signing before the show. I saw it on facebook the morning of and it was at a place just down the street from my house so that worked out really well.
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Saw Slipknot live for the first time last night and it was amazing. Seeing Gojira live for the first time as well, what a tight band and great performance by them. I never saw or heard Volbeat before and man were they a lot of fun to watch. I had no idea what to expect from them and was very entertained by them.
Slipknot was fantastic and I couldn't believe how great Corey sounded live, I heard a couple of his live records and he really struggles on some of them but last night he was on point.
I was hoping for more tracks from the new album but no complaints on the setlist for someone seeing them in concert for the first time.
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Yea, Knotfest is a quality show with that line up. Volbeat is a bit different compared to the rest but really fun
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Had a listen to the new album based on the thoughts here from you guys. Holy shit, this fucker absolutely rips. Don't remember much except how damn heavy and downright groovy this is. The riffing is so good and Corey sounds brutal. Can't wait to listen again.
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Had a listen to the new album based on the thoughts here from you guys. Holy shit, this fucker absolutely rips. Don't remember much except how damn heavy and downright groovy this is. The riffing is so good and Corey sounds brutal. Can't wait to listen again.
I'm not the biggest Slipknot fan but I LOVE the new album. Album of the year contender for me. It's been a frustrating year for me and this album came at the perfect time.
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Had a listen to the new album based on the thoughts here from you guys. Holy shit, this fucker absolutely rips. Don't remember much except how damn heavy and downright groovy this is. The riffing is so good and Corey sounds brutal. Can't wait to listen again.
I'm not the biggest Slipknot fan but I LOVE the new album. Album of the year contender for me. It's been a frustrating year for me and this album came at the perfect time.
It's creeping up my list. I keep coming back to it. Obviously the singles are awesome, but songs like Nero Forte, Critical Darling, Orphan, Red Flag, Birth of the Crual, Spiders (its finally grown on me) really make the album stellar. I saw the idea tossed around by one of the members of doing a show playing the entire album, I think they know it's that strong from top to bottom.
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I like the album a lot, but being such an enormous fan of most of the band's extremely consistent discography, I can't rank the album among their best. Still, it's one of this year's highlights. I constantly keep coming back to Nero forte, Solway firth, My pain, Spiders and Red flag.
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Had a listen to the new album based on the thoughts here from you guys. Holy shit, this fucker absolutely rips. Don't remember much except how damn heavy and downright groovy this is. The riffing is so good and Corey sounds brutal. Can't wait to listen again.
I'm not the biggest Slipknot fan but I LOVE the new album. Album of the year contender for me. It's been a frustrating year for me and this album came at the perfect time.
Album of the year contender did come to mind listening to it just once.
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I think it is their best album, amazing work.
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I'm still not the biggest fan of the opener and the seuge weirder tracks were a bit odd but everything else is brilliant.
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I'm still not the biggest fan of the opener and the seuge weirder tracks were a bit odd but everything else is brilliant.
You don't like Unsainted?
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I'm still not the biggest fan of the opener and the seuge weirder tracks were a bit odd but everything else is brilliant.
You don't like Unsainted?
Not really. Not yet anyway. I find the chorus melody a bit poppy and just not a strong melody. It's hard to explain. it's not awful by any means, there's just something about it. That song was why I haven't checked the album until now. Had the same thought when I first heard it. The verses are awesome though and as I said, I can listen to it. I'm sure it will grow though.
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I think it is their best album, amazing work.
I loved it, but to me self-titled sic album will always be my millenial bohemian rhapsody :D
The album covers a lot of metal genre and pretty well, so I enjoyed it, even if I am here only for the groove/death metal songs.
They say it themselves in interviews, it's the first time they work together rather sober and alive, and they appreciate it.
It's sad to know a band is not united outside of the stage.
There are few modern artists that can have such a career and renewed albums, that's great.
Saw them live on july 2nd and it was fantastic
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Unsainted strikes me as very plain. It's one of their safest singles with a chorus that sounds like you've heard it plenty of times before. It's not bad, it's just kind of fine.
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It is safe and standard but I cant shake the catchiness of it.
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Unsainted strikes me as very plain. It's one of their safest singles with a chorus that sounds like you've heard it plenty of times before. It's not bad, it's just kind of fine.
Yes.
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Also, the very start of A Liar's Funeral is blatant Aggaloch. Mantle style.
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Sucks All Out Life isnt on the album, that song is soo good too. Would have put the album over the edge for album of the year.
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Solway Firth is unbelievable. Makes me want to kick my boss' office door in and punch him in the face then just walk out.
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Sucks All Out Life isnt on the album, that song is soo good too. Would have put the album over the edge for album of the year.
Well, you could always add it to a playlist and count it as the Japanese version (on which it is the last track).
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Sucks All Out Life isnt on the album, that song is soo good too. Would have put the album over the edge for album of the year.
Haven't heard that one. Will have to check it out.
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It would have been a top four song on the album. :metal
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It was their first single of this album cycle, and one of the best new songs, odd choice not to include it in the regular release.
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Sucks All Out Life isnt on the album, that song is soo good too. Would have put the album over the edge for album of the year.
Well, you could always add it to a playlist and count it as the Japanese version (on which it is the last track).
I'd have to buy it though, which is annoying since I have the album. I just keep listening to my live version of it on youtube.
It was their first single of this album cycle, and one of the best new songs, odd choice not to include it in the regular release.
Not just because its an awesome song, but it also has the "we are not your kind" chant in it, which makes it even more weird that its not on the actual album.
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From what I read Corey didn't find the song fitting in with the rest of the album in some thematic sense. I was surprised to find out about the song much later after listening to the album. You can buy the mp3 version of it on amazon without having to get the Japanese CD edition.
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It would have been a top four song on the album. :metal
Wowsers.
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Old does not mean dead
New does not mean best
No hard feelings
I'm tired of being right
About everything I've said
Yours does not mean mine
Kill does not mean die
We are not your kind
No excuses
I challenge you to all out fucking life
Honestly never loved Slipknot's very aggressive lyrics, but these lyrics really feel meaningful to me (other than the tired of being right line). A big reason why I like All Out Life a lot.
Slipknot - All Out Life Live NJ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S_Y4fooucI)
I love my reaction 3 minutes into this :rollin :metal
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It would have been a top four song on the album. :metal
Wowsers.
I've been thinking about alternative album track list and what I would like it to be like if All out life were on it. It would be dull do just add it to the album. If it were to replace a song from the actual track list, I'd actually take out Unsainted and put All out life in its place. Yes, you would lose a hit opener, but you would have a brutal opener. :metal
Other than that, I'd gladly exchange Orphan or Liar's funeral for All out life, although the latter is one of the few softer bits on the record.
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Just had a listen to All Out Life. A very cool track, but I wouldn't say it would beat most of the album tracks. It kind of should be on there with the title of the album in there, but I can kind of see why Corey thinks it's hard to fit on the album, but I do agree it would actually fit better than Unsainted.
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Is anyone else completely blown away by My pain? It's amazing. :omg:
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Is anyone else completely blown away by My pain? It's amazing. :omg:
It's growing. First listen I was like what the absolute fuck but each listen it gets better. I fuvking love this album.
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This cd keeps finding its way back into my car. Amazing.
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Yea, it totally moved up on my top 10 of 2019, not sure where exactly, but it moved up for pretty much the same reason. I find myself going back to it often.
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For me it is one of the best albums in the year and most certainly their best.
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Easily the band's best album.
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I liked .5: The Gray Chapter way more to be honest. This album has some amazing songs, but a lot of them have really weird and borderline annoying vocal melodies (especially Nero Forte). The last album had lower highs, but was way more consistent throughout.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGNqvH9ykfA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGNqvH9ykfA)
New music video for Nero Forte, listened to the full album for the first time a couple months and man it is so strong from start to finish. I really like this song too. Music video isn't anything interesting other than the breakdown with everyone rocking out which is pretty cool.
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Looks like they live debuted Birth of the Cruel and Nero Forte last night. I'm glad they are starting to play more WANYK songs, these songs re fantastic and need to be played live IMO. Birth of Cruel has grown as one of my favorites on the album, although it seems my favorites change every time I play the album.
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I think it was Jim that said in an interview that he'd like to play the whole album live. It's not a bad shout.
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Bought a cheap(er) second hand ticket for Slipknot at Ziggodome next week. Was doubting to go because I am on my own, but my new appartment is about 10 minutes of cycling from Ziggodome, so that made the barrier quite low.
Looking forward to finally seeing this band live!
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That would be so awesome to see them there, enjoy the show. I'm not crazy about Behemoth having seen them a few times (opening for slipknot and slayer) but they do put on an entertaining show if you catch them.
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That would be so awesome to see them there, enjoy the show. I'm not crazy about Behemoth having seen them a few times (opening for slipknot and slayer) but they do put on an entertaining show if you catch them.
Yeah, I am not planning to go see Behemoth, don't really care about black metal and it's offsprings.
But judging on yt vids, the Slipknot show will be fire.
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Behemoth is fun even if you're not a fan.
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Couldn't make it to Behemoth from work, but was well in time for Slipknot.
Great show! The band is in fantastic shape and the crowd was really into it. Corey sounds amazing this tour so far, damn. He has not sounded like this in almost 20 years, some of his screams/growls really echo the old Slipknot material. I think it is a combination of no smoking and him not jumping around as much anymore (so not being out of breath all the time), as well as adequate rest before the tour.
Of the new tracks All Out of Life and Nero Forte were real bangers. And from the debut stuff Eeyore was great to see. And Before I Forget and Duality were great to see, I have listened to those sooo much in the past.
This was the biggest show they ever did in the Netherlands and it sold out or nearly sold out (so 17.000 people), amazing to see an artist this far in their careers do so well, especially this kind of music. Well earned, I'd say.
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Cory is great ...period
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Yes! They are playing Madison Square Garden with A Day to Remember and Underoath :metal :metal got my ticket just now
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Yes! They are playing Madison Square Garden with A Day to Remember and Underoath :metal :metal got my ticket just now
ADTR Kicks ass too
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Yes! They are playing Madison Square Garden with A Day to Remember and Underoath :metal :metal got my ticket just now
ADTR Kicks ass too
Yea, they headlined Warped Tour last summer and blew me away. I had never heard of them before and was wondering what to expect and really won me over. I didn't go out and buy a CD or anything, but that performance was just really good and I'm happy to get to see them again. I'll have to get a album now.
Like, how fucking awesome was this? A Day To Remember - Sticks and Bricks Live @ Warped Tour 2019 Atlantic City (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwWzKWWQWlI)
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There's a few live songs from a new BBC studio session, these are AMAZING in terms of quality and performance WOW
Unsainted (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVard-WwyAs&feature=emb_title)
Duality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVtdUqVKVEY)
Article about them:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/slipknot-bbc-radio-1-rock-show-950142/?fbclid=IwAR0g_IM2C5xfebHmeZUOlkMua5sP_gZUi0r5-4-ct41Q69dKYBWSvqTYoCc (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/slipknot-bbc-radio-1-rock-show-950142/?fbclid=IwAR0g_IM2C5xfebHmeZUOlkMua5sP_gZUi0r5-4-ct41Q69dKYBWSvqTYoCc)
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I'm hoping videos of the oter four songs gets released at some point too.
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Their setlist for the European tour is pretty damn good.
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With no disrespect to Paul, Joey, and Chris, I really feel like Slipknot is at its best right now. Their live performances are amazing and their last album is their best, if not at least in the top 3. I just feel like they’re firing on all cylinders right now.
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With no disrespect to Paul, Joey, and Chris, I really feel like Slipknot is at its best right now. Their live performances are amazing and their last album is their best, if not at least in the top 3. I just feel like they’re firing on all cylinders right now.
I respectfully disagree, at least partially :
-On the agree side, their shows are tight and satisfying, the latest songs are efficient.
-On the disagreeing side, the anger and bestiality heard in the first album will never be matched again, maybe not even from another band, to me.
And some people like me prefer joey's drumming, grooves...
I think they mostly sobered up and sharpened their tools, with the intend to have good shows, in the past they were drunk/high/incoherent... and it would impact tighthness, behaviour, whatever...
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed last july's live show, and slipknot is one of my favorite bands, I even think about having a tribute band :D
But to me, they made a Metallica stretch (but with a better ending lol) : First album 0% marketing, iowa-vol3-ahig more and more marketing, trying things slower/poppy/or even guitar solos, grey-wenyk return to earlier slipknot.
The latest contains elements from iowa to grey, which is cool.
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As someone who only enjoyed some of their music when they first started to being a total lover of the new album, I guess I have to learn towards this current group being the best Slipknot. But I agree, the aggression cant be matched from the beginning. Corey and clown are not the same people they were so its only natural but they are writing overall better music now IMO and the show has apparently approved (I never saw them live before 2016 to compare)
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Losing Paul was a real blow to the band, having to lose a founding member. Then, Joey (another founding member) leaving, later revealing his disease. It's great to see them flourishing and forging on putting on great shows again.
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With no disrespect to Paul, Joey, and Chris, I really feel like Slipknot is at its best right now. Their live performances are amazing and their last album is their best, if not at least in the top 3. I just feel like they’re firing on all cylinders right now.
I’ll second this. I was never a big Slipknot fan (although I definitely thought they stood out amongst their peers back when they were first taking off) but even I admit their last album was fantastic. Top 10 of the year for metal.
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A full proshot festival show was released on youtube yesterday, Resurrection fest 2019:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUZqbMfPezQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUZqbMfPezQ)
Sound is a bit dry and the backing vocals are off (and Corey's mask looks bad), but from skimming it seems like a great show! (I prefer Rock Am Ring 2019, but the video of that got deleted).
There's a few live songs from a new BBC studio session, these are AMAZING in terms of quality and performance WOW
Unsainted (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVard-WwyAs&feature=emb_title)
Duality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVtdUqVKVEY)
Article about them:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/slipknot-bbc-radio-1-rock-show-950142/?fbclid=IwAR0g_IM2C5xfebHmeZUOlkMua5sP_gZUi0r5-4-ct41Q69dKYBWSvqTYoCc (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/slipknot-bbc-radio-1-rock-show-950142/?fbclid=IwAR0g_IM2C5xfebHmeZUOlkMua5sP_gZUi0r5-4-ct41Q69dKYBWSvqTYoCc)
Visually this looks so great. I would honestly love bands doing a full fledged dvd like this.
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A full proshot festival show was released on youtube yesterday, Resurrection fest 2019:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUZqbMfPezQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUZqbMfPezQ)
Sound is a bit dry and the backing vocals are off (and Corey's mask looks bad), but from skimming it seems like a great show! (I prefer Rock Am Ring 2019, but the video of that got deleted).
There's a few live songs from a new BBC studio session, these are AMAZING in terms of quality and performance WOW
Unsainted (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVard-WwyAs&feature=emb_title)
Duality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVtdUqVKVEY)
Article about them:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/slipknot-bbc-radio-1-rock-show-950142/?fbclid=IwAR0g_IM2C5xfebHmeZUOlkMua5sP_gZUi0r5-4-ct41Q69dKYBWSvqTYoCc (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/slipknot-bbc-radio-1-rock-show-950142/?fbclid=IwAR0g_IM2C5xfebHmeZUOlkMua5sP_gZUi0r5-4-ct41Q69dKYBWSvqTYoCc)
Visually this looks so great. I would honestly love bands doing a full fledged dvd like this.
I wouldn't consider myself a Slipknot fan, though there are quite a few songs I really like. But wow, this band knows how to deliver on stage! GREAT performances!
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Damn, that video of Resurrection Fest is :metal :metal :metal Corey sounds a very gritty, but it's terrible.
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They streamed Download 2019 in it's entirety yesterday, part of the proceedings they make/made goes to covid-19 relieve efforts (on their webshop and the knotfest site).
The link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO3j9niG1Og (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO3j9niG1Og)
I think this is Corey's best performance of all recent pro shot live footage.
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:metal :metal :metal yesterday was a good day for music IMO, lots of bands pulling out all older concert videos that are really well done
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They had a very good live stream a couple of days ago (which I assume will see some form of official release, but it is all over youtube now)
They also released a new single, Chapeltown Rag :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2v4u7VhoPU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2v4u7VhoPU)
Part of the band is apparently working on a new album that has been around for a while? (since All Hope is Gone session, titled Look Outside Your Window), not sure if this is intended to be part of that or not.
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If there's a new studio album in 2022 it will be their fastest turnaround in a while.
I wouldn't be shocked if Chapeltown Rag isn't on there - like how "All Out Life" wasn't on the album We Are Not Your Kind.
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If there's a new studio album in 2022 it will be their fastest turnaround in a while.
I wouldn't be shocked if Chapeltown Rag isn't on there - like how "All Out Life" wasn't on the album We Are Not Your Kind.
Wouldn't surprise me as Slipknot has made songs that are not any album, yet they played them live. Purity is an example even though it was left off for some controversial reasons.
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Losing Paul was a real blow to the band, having to lose a founding member. Then, Joey (another founding member) leaving, later revealing his disease. It's great to see them flourishing and forging on putting on great shows again.
IMHO Paul and Joey were the heart of the band, like Petrucci and Jordan have become since SFAM.
The musical sensitivities and influences that Paul and Joey riffed off were different from the rest of the band, plus they were more experienced members than the rest of the band (despite Clown being older and interested in visual art and Corey having SS).
Loosing both Paul and Joey have reduced the band to being a band struggling with nostalgia and identity.
At it's height I see Slipknot as being a band that wanted to break out of it's shell as a theatrical avantgarde metal band influenced strongly by Mr Bungle and Fantomas but which never quite got there (despite tracks like Prosthetics, Tattered And Torn, Only One, Scissors, Gently, Skin Ticket, Iowa, Circle, The Nameless, The Virus Of Life, etc).
They've always been afraid of alienating fans, which is something I've seen in DT as well since after SDOIT.
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Losing Paul was a real blow to the band, having to lose a founding member. Then, Joey (another founding member) leaving, later revealing his disease. It's great to see them flourishing and forging on putting on great shows again.
IMHO Paul and Joey were the heart of the band, like Petrucci and Jordan have become since SFAM.
The musical sensitivities and influences that Paul and Joey riffed off were different from the rest of the band, plus they were more experienced members than the rest of the band (despite Clown being older and interested in visual art and Corey having SS).
Loosing both Paul and Joey have reduced the band to being a band struggling with nostalgia and identity.
At it's height I see Slipknot as being a band that wanted to break out of it's shell as a theatrical avantgarde metal band influenced strongly by Mr Bungle and Fantomas but which never quite got there (despite tracks like Prosthetics, Tattered And Torn, Only One, Scissors, Gently, Skin Ticket, Iowa, Circle, The Nameless, The Virus Of Life, etc).
They've always been afraid of alienating fans, which is something I've seen in DT as well since after SDOIT.
Maybe that's why I haven't been into there recent output as much. I really enjoyed All Hope is Gone. I still enjoy some songs from their recent 2 albums but not as much Vol.3 and AHIG.
They were also alienating fans since Vol.3. I remember those reactions to songs like Circle and Vermillion Pt.2. I attributed it to Corey showcasing his abilities more into Slipknot since he couldn't do that in Stone Sour as they weren't together to record as much as now.
I noticed though that after watching the behind the scenes and seeing how much Paul wrote and composed for the band, their tone is what I feel changed.
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Huh, We Are Not Your Kind to me does not even remotely fit that description to my ears. And it is offcourse subjective, but I put that album above their others easily.
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This seems to be the most active/recent thread. Anyone listen to the new single?
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Yup, it's solid. Looking forward to the new album
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I wasn't surprised by it but the clean singing section kind of disrupted the song for me. Otherwise it's not bad! I am looking forward to the album.
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I thought it was fucking terrible. So let down after the last album. Hopefully there's better stuff to come.
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I thought it was fucking terrible. So let down after the last album. Hopefully there's better stuff to come.
Yea I was let down.
The heavy stuff was cool but the melodic stuff felt a bit phoned in. Corey is one of the best melodic guys in metal but this was beneath him.
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I thought it was fucking terrible. So let down after the last album. Hopefully there's better stuff to come.
Yea I was let down.
The heavy stuff was cool but the melodic stuff felt a bit phoned in. Corey is one of the best melodic guys in metal but this was beneath him.
The melodies were so......I dunno......awkward and child like. Like a jingle or something.....I'll listen again but I hated it.
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I think the song is a great blend of their styles. There's parts that remind me of Iowa, Vol.3, All Hope Is Gone, and We Are Not Your Kind. I like it and it is going to be an energetic song live.
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I think the chorus is catchy as hell, it was the heavy stuff that did not stood out for me. But overall solid song. Also, Chapeltown Rag is part of the new album. i like that song a lot.
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I don't mind the new song but it does have many elements that kind of blend it into sounding like the last album. I really liked We Are Not Your Kind upon release but it hasn't aged at all well for me and I rarely if at all put it on these days. Looking forward to the new album though.
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I'm not sure if I like it, certainly don't hate it. It does have a mix of all their previous albums, I hear a lot of the first two albums in that track. Again might be better when listening to it with the whole album. I found the clean parts the most boring parts of the song.
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I don't mind the new song but it does have many elements that kind of blend it into sounding like the last album. I really liked We Are Not Your Kind upon release but it hasn't aged at all well for me and I rarely if at all put it on these days. Looking forward to the new album though.
All of this.
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So the new album is here, but is anyone listening to it?
I'm still trying to make up my mind. All of it sounds good. But is any of it great? We'll see after a couple more spins.
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I like it, but since We Are Not Your Kind is their best album by a very wide margin to me, this one does live in it's shadow a bit. But I have to listen to it more.
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Have not heard it but read an interview with Jim Root over the weekend. Seems he is not very fond of it as he didn't contribute a lot and felt it was rushed. Somewhere in there he mentioned that Clown screamed that it's not a Slipknot album and they are still touring on the old one. Jim kind of pushed back against that.
I get the impression from many of these interviews I read that they all don't seem to get along very well and aren't really friends anymore but a business at this point. None of them ever seem happy expect for Jay.
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Have not heard it but read an interview with Jim Root over the weekend. Seems he is not very fond of it as he didn't contribute a lot and felt it was rushed. Somewhere in there he mentioned that Clown screamed that it's not a Slipknot album and they are still touring on the old one. Jim kind of pushed back against that.
I get the impression from many of these interviews I read that they all don't seem to get along very well and aren't really friends anymore but a business at this point. None of them ever seem happy expect for Jay.
So you could call them, Slipwood Knot?
My brother ran into Corey Taylor at a local collectible toy store yesterday. He and the radio station were promoting the concert.
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Maybe this is the repurposed sideproject from a couple of their members? I recall reading a while back about them planning to release something that started during the All Hope is Gone sessions, which involved like half of the band.
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There is some speculation (amongst fans only so far) that the band rushed this because it's their last album on their contract with Roadrunner. I don't think so personally, it just seems to be what they are at this point. It's a fine album for the most part. My biggest complaint is Corey has become very one-dimensional with his vocal choruses. I really enjoyed some of his output in Stone Sour so you know he can do different things, but the clean choruses for a lot of the slipknot songs are exactly the same.
The fan reaction online has been very negative but people seem to just crave a return to the first few albums which doesn't seem tenable at this point.
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I think the verses are more samey than the choruses.
As to whether the album was rushed or not, I guess they started working on it because they weren't able to tour because of covid. They had to do something, so they cranked out an album. Same as Rammstein this year.
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I've given the new album a few listens. As of right now I do like it but agree that many of the vocal lines on the heavier songs are pretty predictable and one-dimensional (for Slipknot). At first I also felt that Corey chose some weird and jarring melodic choices on some of the clean stuff which didn't work for me but I've gone past that now. At of right now though I am compelled to continue to listen to it which is probably a good thing. I've got a feeling though that this will wear off soon and I will shelve it and when the day comes that I have a Slipknot craving I will reach for one of the first 3 albums...
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I think either Jim is going to regret some interviews he's been giving (or at least the way they have been turned into sensationalist headlines) or he's going to get a lot of shit from his other bandmates for the picture he's managed to paint of the band's inner affairs. I think the Guitar World interview that he did was more detailed and nuanced in explaining that he didn't contribute much to the writing process because:
a) he was fighting his depression over the pandemic and went through a dry spell in terms of writing and guitar playing, and
b) the way the recording schedule/budget panned out, he arrived at the studio in writing mode while the rest of the band already had enough ideas to record.
That, and he handed Clown and Joe Barresi a hard drive with more early-stage ideas so they could use it for other pieces.
Not only that, but there was a point where he wasn't initially pleased with the material Alex brought in (and Alex mentioned in another interview that he spent many months going to Clown's house in Iowa to work on the new album). They played around with the material as a band and Jim mentioned the experience taught him a lot about ego and humility (his words).
What I think (pure conjecture) is that Jim went through a bit of a crisis because this is the first album since All Hope is Gone where he wasn't the head writer. I think he's jumbling that sentiment with the misgivings about how Roadrunner helped (or didn't help) them with the recording process (something other members have commented on) and producing some ill-thought-out soundbites that the press (and a bunch of fans) are having a field day with to put the album down.
I think this is a superb album. I've been listening back to their previous works in the car recently and TESF somehow feels a bit more concise. This isn't about the quality -- I love their first 3 albums to death and there's always something in their albums that I can get back to and enjoy. But TESF has this sort of throughline feel to it that I'm really digging, and it truly shows great facets of the band (there's enough of the heavier part, the melodies, and some "out there" stuff too, but this time without any interludes as in WANYK).
I do think he's sort of doing Clown a disservice by vaguely quoting him like that. The man is known for being cryptic at times, but he's consistently been displaying how proud he is of the new material. In any case, I think the interviewer could've prodded him further to ask at which point did Clown say this was "not a Slipknot record". Something's fishy there.
But that's all insider baseball anyway. What matters to me was that, with the shortest turnaround time they've worked with in a while, they put out a very entertaining record. I really hope they play stuff like Warranty and H377 live.
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Thought this was a cool poster to see while I was in Germany last week
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdxODi9WIAIDWSr?format=jpg&name=large)
I still have to check out the album, I see a bunch of negativity, but that's not going to stop me from listening, I just haven't had time.
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I've been spinning the new one a few times mostly because of 2 factors: 1. I used to like the band somewhat back in my teenage years and enjoyed the first 3 albums but kinda lost interest and was curious to hear a new one, and 2. I have a lot of time to listen at work so I usually plow through 5-6 new albums in a week so 'sacrificing' one of those slots on the new Slipknot felt like an okay thing to do.
Overall though I would say it's fairly underwhelming and maybe even bad. The first song actually made me slightly curious because it was something different and unexpected but by song 2 they kinda go back into their old ways (though not as good) and there's not a lot of memorable riffs or melodies or vocal performances. It's okay, I don't want to say it's the worst thing ever in case some people really like it, but for me it feels like a very average album by a big band that will get defended and get probably more positive buzz than it deserves. When you're invested in a band and you are a big fan, you don't wanna go "this is bad" so it's like you find a way to learn to like it.
When it comes to albums like this I always try to think of a scenario where if this wasn't a band I already liked, and it was just a new band I had never heard before - same album but this is all I can form an opinion about - would I like it? In this case, if this was a new random band's first album, I would most likely never return after the initial 3-4 listens and when the next album comes out I wouldn't carry any "The last one was decent, I'll check this one out" goodwill with me. But yeah I haven't heard any albums past Vol 3 so maybe this is just a one off bad album, maybe there's a decline, I don't really know.
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I am still listening to the new album and have to say I am now really enjoying it. I see Portnoy posted about the album on instagram and in general I would have to say I pretty much agree with what he said. Will just be interesting though to see how it ages as WANYK do not age that well for me.
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I see Portnoy posted about the album on instagram and in general I would have to say I pretty much agree with what he said.
What did he say?
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I see Portnoy posted about the album on instagram and in general I would have to say I pretty much agree with what he said.
What did he say?
He tweeted about it too...
https://twitter.com/MikePortnoy/status/1579010519541108736?s=20&t=5MjL3LjaKMrWO-vNizEJkQ
"I have no idea what @slipknot purists are saying…but for me, this is one of the albums of the year!! Like Slipknot meets Pink Floyd & Radiohead…and I fuxking LUV IT!! 👏🤘A whole new level of Slipknot…creatively firing on all cylinders…and delivering their Sgt Pepper "
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Thanks.
I don’t find the album as good as he does but I like it a lot and don’t get the negativity.
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Well, yeah the comments from Mike are a bit over the top but I am agreeing with the general sentiment that the album is great.
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Finally gave a couple listens (and should get to many more in due time) and it's pretty good. I can see why people aren't happy though. There's some change in style here which I kind of enjoy. Adderral is just something completely different for them so starting with that likely turned a lot of fans off right off the bat. My initial thought is that it's not as good as WANYK, which I rank as my favorite Slipknot album and my favorite release from that year so it's not too surprising I don't find it better, but I think this is a worthy follow up.
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Jeez......I've had a listen and I don't think this album is very good at all. A shame because I thought the last one was by far their best album to date, but this one, is just terrible IMO.
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That is a shame Wolfking. Overall the album has really grown on me but not sure how well it will age. I love Adderall and I also love Finale (the 2 bookends), I think they are both awesome. A couple of the heavier tracks I don't think are anything special but others I really like - Hivemind I think is great.
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I actually like it quite a bit. They kind of push some boundaries on melodies and choruses, it's all very unconventional by Slipknot standards. It's also pretty consistent and not too long - twelve real songs, no intros nor interludes. I think I prefer it to the previous one, which was good, but it didn't age too well. Most of it ended up sounding too samey to me.
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I'll try again going in with a different mindset in a week or two.
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I like it when Slipknot experiment a little, and the album is pretty good in that regard, but for me it's let down by a lack of good hooks.
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Craig Jones is no longer a member of the band:
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=820632186093410&set=a.344732530350047
So, who will be the next one to go? :lol
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Clown also announced he's not touring due to health issues with his wife. Sucks to see the band having some issues.
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Who is Craig Jones?
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Who is Craig Jones?
Keyboardist and Sampler. Been with the band for 27 years.
(https://lambgoat.com/cdn/2023/craig-jones-slipknot-20230607141101.png)
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Craig Jones is no longer a member of the band:
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=820632186093410&set=a.344732530350047
So, who will be the next one to go? :lol
The majority of the band is still from their self titled album from the 90's (5 of them). I feel that is overall pretty stable, considering they are a 9 man band that have been around for over 25 years.
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I'd also imagine there's a fair amount of ego among the original dudes. Can't be easy to maintain.
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It just is a bit weird when the band writes them off so quickly.
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I also dislike how cryptic with it they always are. We'll never know why Jordison really left, and even the thing with Chris still has questions in the air. Not that we're entitled to knowing, but that kind of thing has an inpact on the integrity, perception and legacy of the band, if the band cares about that at all.
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I don't think Joey really knew, but I remember his opinion was that the band thought he was strung out bad on drugs and it was impacting his physical wellbeing when it turned out he had the myelitis thing.
I'm more sad that he never got the Vimic record out. I loved everything they put out. There's a whole unreleased album out there somewhere. Actually, I think he said they had 2 records ready to go.
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I also dislike how cryptic with it they always are. We'll never know why Jordison really left, and even the thing with Chris still has questions in the air. Not that we're entitled to knowing, but that kind of thing has an inpact on the integrity, perception and legacy of the band, if the band cares about that at all.
I am not following them closely (outside of the music). But wasn't Joey having major health issues? It sucks if they booted him for that, but I recall seeing a concert where Joey really wasn't on point and it was around the time he turned out to have some neurological thing. But if a musician can't play properly, even if the person themselves cannot help it, it does pose a problem for the rest of a band. Again, I don't really know the details here, so correct me if wrong.
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I also dislike how cryptic with it they always are. We'll never know why Jordison really left, and even the thing with Chris still has questions in the air. Not that we're entitled to knowing, but that kind of thing has an inpact on the integrity, perception and legacy of the band, if the band cares about that at all.
I am not following them closely (outside of the music). But wasn't Joey having major health issues? It sucks if they booted him for that, but I recall seeing a concert where Joey really wasn't on point and it was around the time he turned out to have some neurological thing. But if a musician can't play properly, even if the person themselves cannot help it, it does pose a problem for the rest of a band. Again, I don't really know the details here, so correct me if wrong.
Yeah, if you noticed in my post, Joey suffered from myelitis and had to go through major rehab to try to get back to full strength. His opinion was the band booted him because they thought drugs were the issue.
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The band also released a surprise EP today. It's... fine? Really just two songs (3 versions of one and one other). More softer and atmospheric, which I don't mind, but I don't know if it really appeals to hardcore fans. Thoughts?
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Slipknot is looking for a drummer, apparently.
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I wonder if there are any recently released drummers who are in need of a new gig... (https://i.imgur.com/9Po5i1a.gif)
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The way that statement was worded, Clown canned Jay. Clown was a huge dick when Jay first entered the band. Looks like he finally decided to just fire him. Clown is getting destroyed out there for this right now. I guess they ended up having to turn off comments on the Instagram post and Reddit is on fire.
This along with a story where Corey said that 9 out of 10 times he was the best guitarist in Stone Sour. He really seems to have issues with Josh and Jim. I mean, he fired Jim for Stone Sour but he keeps talking bad about 'members' in Stone Sour and can only be talking about Josh at this point.
Never respected Clown and am slowly losing respect for Corey as well.
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^^ I really doubt Corey is that egotistical that he thinks he was the best guitarist over Josh Rand and Jim Root in Stone Sour. Could he think he was the best guitarist in the early days of Stone Sour (the period prior to joining Slipknot)? Perhaps.
"I guess that was the first year where I really felt confidence in my skills as a guitar player. When Stone Sour first started, not only was I playing guitar constantly, but I was also the lead guitarist. So I was not only the main writer, I was always the lead guitar player. That's kind of been the throughline for my whole career; I would always fill in the weaknesses for whatever band I was in at the time. Like, when I first started, I was almost always better than the drummer I was in a band width. So, whenever we would do demos, I would play all the drums. But then, I had to make a choice. I wanted to sing, I don't want to do both. I don't want to be Phil Collins, I want to just sing."
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/corey_taylor_opens_up_on_time_in_stone_sour_9_times_out_of_10_i_was_a_better_player_than_the_guitarist_we_had.html
As for Slipknot canning their drummer, why now? Do they think they have someone better?
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I'm late to the Slipknot party but Jay was a huge reason why I got into them. Dude is super talented and a nice guy. No wonder why he didn't fit in with the band.
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The way that statement was worded, Clown canned Jay. Clown was a huge dick when Jay first entered the band. Looks like he finally decided to just fire him. Clown is getting destroyed out there for this right now. I guess they ended up having to turn off comments on the Instagram post and Reddit is on fire.
This along with a story where Corey said that 9 out of 10 times he was the best guitarist in Stone Sour. He really seems to have issues with Josh and Jim. I mean, he fired Jim for Stone Sour but he keeps talking bad about 'members' in Stone Sour and can only be talking about Josh at this point.
Never respected Clown and am slowly losing respect for Corey as well.
Never heard that one. Surely he doesn't really believe that.
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Hows does Mangini feel about masks?
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Hows does Mangini feel about masks?
:lol
I don't know wtf is going on internally with this band. But things must be toxic working with Corey/Clown is the only thing I can think of to explain it all.
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What in the world is going on over there? It's only a matter of time before Sid drops out, followed by Jim and Mick. Would anyone be interested in following the band with only Shawn and Corey still being there? Maybe fans would be more engaged and understanding if the band weren't so cryptic with their announcements whenever a member leaves.
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What in the world is going on over there? It's only a matter of time before Sid drops out, followed by Jim and Mick. Would anyone be interested in following the band with only Shawn and Corey still being there? Maybe fans would be more engaged and understanding if the band weren't so cryptic with their announcements whenever a member leaves.
TBH, if the music was good, yeah I'd still be interested, but it's hard to not notice how poorly the band members are treated and can definitely have an impact on me spending future money on them.
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Hows does Mangini feel about masks?
I remember a couple decades ago regularly seeing people into Slipknot who seemed to think Jordison was the fastest, most technical drummer alive (even more than Travis Barker!). They seemed oblivious to George Kollias, John Longstreth and such. Now there's a whole new generation of those fans to win over. Mangini would blow their minds. It'll never happen, but boy would I love to see a counterfactual of it.
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They'll hire some no name talent and pay them shit. I don't think they'll be getting any more of my money going forward.
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Slipknot is great. Vol 3 is their best album, and they have great songs on other albums as well. Unsainted is a great track.
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Slipknot is great. Vol 3 is their best album, and they have great songs on other albums as well. Unsainted is a great track.
To each his own...
Slipknot : My favorite album, true genres mixing, you can feel the rage and the crazyness.
IOWA : At first I was not sure, I loved the savage ones like everything ends, but disliked left behind and other radio songs.
Vol3 : Even weaker, I enjoyed the angriest songs plus vermillion. I understood it was now a nu metal band and accepted the funny side like duality which sounded as a beach party song to me at first.
All hope : I sticked to sulfur, psychosocial and dead memories and forgot about the remaining.
the gray : I discovered custer live, funny song. The devil in I is lazy but efficient. Killpop is ok. Forgot about the remaining.
we are not your kind : the youtube unpublished song was ok. I enjoyed some savage songs like solway firth, orphan, critical darling...nero forte and unsainted are ok.
the end so far : lazy, I forgot it all.
adderall : lol
So basically, my favorites are
1) Slipknot
2) Iowa
3) we are not your kind
And I listen to 3 songs per other albums. I feel like their creativity died 20 years ago and they got lazyAF :D
Concerning all the drama, the band was already dead to me when they lost grey, jordison and fired feng.
They lost groove and fun in their songs.
Sorry for Jay, but I guess inner relations in the band must smell as a dead body, between egos and money.
Jim root's interview I saw about the end so far was like "I don't like this album we rushed it to end our contract mandatory number of albums it's bad"
Taylor fires shots everywhere at everybody.
Toxic slipknot was best slipknot. RIP
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Slipknot are kind of great. Maybe not to me. I certainly like them a lot, first two albums and We Are Not YOur Kind are killer and the rest of the stuff has lots of good songs. Even though I didn't care for the newest album, there's some good stuff there and it's kind of proggy too. But I still think they are a great band for all the success they've had. Definitely one of the biggest metal bands out there.
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I wonder if there are any recently released drummers who are in need of a new gig... (https://i.imgur.com/9Po5i1a.gif)
From the DT Discord:
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/285108756684079104/1170831029502742618/Screenshot_20231105_210134_Chrome.jpg?ex=655a785e&is=6548035e&hm=d3a19ef26e0208bcc5db47aef14d2437d6af767514dea5f51029b32a62b1f392&=&width=375&height=609)
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And I listen to 3 songs per other albums. I feel like their creativity died 20 years ago and they got lazyAF :D
Never been into the band so I know next to nothing about them aside from the lineup changes I've seen announced on Blabbermouth. With Jay being ousted, I ended up seeing a related article about the songs they haven't played live and - at least to me - it's a pretty shocking number. Here's the article:
https://loudwire.com/songs-slipknot-never-played-live/
The fact that so much of their catalog, aside from the first two albums, has never been played live says a lot, IMO. Granted, the above article is based on setlist.fm, which is the wikipedia of setlist databases, so I'm sure there's room for error, but still it's surprising to me. I know I'm spoiled with bands like DT, Rush and Riverside who have played the majority of their songs live at one point or another, but still I think it says a lot about bands/artists who only play a few songs from their albums and primarily focus on repeated playing the old stuff ad nauseam.
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And I listen to 3 songs per other albums. I feel like their creativity died 20 years ago and they got lazyAF :D
Never been into the band so I know next to nothing about them aside from the lineup changes I've seen announced on Blabbermouth. With Jay being ousted, I ended up seeing a related article about the songs they haven't played live and - at least to me - it's a pretty shocking number. Here's the article:
https://loudwire.com/songs-slipknot-never-played-live/
The fact that so much of their catalog, aside from the first two albums, has never been played live says a lot, IMO. Granted, the above article is based on setlist.fm, which is the wikipedia of setlist databases, so I'm sure there's room for error, but still it's surprising to me. I know I'm spoiled with bands like DT, Rush and Riverside who have played the majority of their songs live at one point or another, but still I think it says a lot about bands/artists who only play a few songs from their albums and primarily focus on repeated playing the old stuff ad nauseam.
I don't think its odd. Quite normal for bands of their size to play mostly the "hits and singles" and not dig deep. Having said that, I guess it is true that they don't really do anything unique or like one off type of shows. I recall some talk about them playing all of WANYK a couple years ago that obviously never happened.
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Not a Slipknot fan. But it seems to me with this recent news that the guys in control of the band, Corey and Clown, want something similar to Ghost. One guy (or a few guys in Slipknot's case) who's the face the band, and a bunch of nameless hired guns for studio and live performances. Just my two cents.
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Not a Slipknot fan. But it seems to me with this recent news that the guys in control of the band, Corey and Clown, want something similar to Ghost. One guy (or a few guys in Slipknot's case) who's the face the band, and a bunch of nameless hired guns for studio and live performances. Just my two cents.
I'm sure money plays a giant part in this like usual. With 9 band members, money gets split more. If they can get some hired guns behind the masks, the income goes up for the primary band members.
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Not a Slipknot fan. But it seems to me with this recent news that the guys in control of the band, Corey and Clown, want something similar to Ghost. One guy (or a few guys in Slipknot's case) who's the face the band, and a bunch of nameless hired guns for studio and live performances. Just my two cents.
I'm sure money plays a giant part in this like usual. With 9 band members, money gets split more. If they can get some hired guns behind the masks, the income goes up for the primary band members.
And not surprisingly, this came out recently:
https://metalinjection.net/news/corey-taylor-on-slipknots-paydays-we-dont-make-a-lot-of-money (https://metalinjection.net/news/corey-taylor-on-slipknots-paydays-we-dont-make-a-lot-of-money)
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Well that sucks. Jay is an incredible drummer. I honestly never got the sense the band got along that well, which is why the long album cycles/breaks worked in the past.
But regardless of drama and douchbaggery, they are still one hell of a live band. Case in point, this is a pro shot 2023 show in full recently uploaded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENJumhoaW2s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENJumhoaW2s)
I genuinely think this is one of their best pro shot shows out there. Also a showcase for the amazing Jay. Damn are they going for it in full. I actually thought it was sped up a bit, but after searching for some crowd footage that does not seem to be the case.
Blister Exists here also kinda makes me wish for a studio version of vol 3 with current Corey screams instead of the higher pitched ones he did for a bit in the late 00's.
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It should be noted that a lot of the douchebaggery [and I'm just piggybacking on your word, ErHaO, it's not related to what you meant in your post] is... let's say "guessed at" by the audience. They keep their affairs really close to their chest.
A lot of the anger at Corey and Clown seems to have stemmed from the dismissal of Chris Fehn, when court documents came up and it was revealed that they were named as CEOs or CFOs (or whatever) in companies associated with the group (I can't remember if it was Slipknot LLC or Knotfest LLC, there were a handful of companies). The Chris situation brought that out in the open (with no details as to how the money is actually split between members and what the situation is for the other tenured members of the band like Jim, Mick and Sid).
That's the best explanation I can come up with, because other than that... When was the last time Clown or Corey actually did a verifiably shitty thing? Corey's always in the spotlight "speaking his mind" or whatever (and has been since... well, since he's been a public figure) and Clown's doing his videos and giving cryptic interviews (and increasingly less of them).
I'm wouldn't vouch for either of them and the band's inner workings, but it surprised me that the narrative has become "we hate those two guys now" (not necessarily here, but in the band's subreddit? Hoo boy). Hell, even Anders Colsefni (their first singer) name-checked Corey as the guy in Slipknot who he's been in touch with over the years and who was only ever supportive of him. And Corey was literally the guy who replaced him.
I can't control who people blame for situations in bands, but the amount of sportive vitriol against some members of Slipknot startles me – and my guess is that this only happens because they don't do their laundry in public. This applies to any lineup change since Joey.
All that being said... the news about Jay truly shocked me. However, apparently Jim spoke out on an instagram comment (nothing revealing, just "nobody outside the band knows what it's like, there's more to it than just being creative and playing live, there's the psychology of it all, and sometimes it's great and sometimes it sucks"). Just a reminder that a) there's more to these situations than we can know from outside; and b) they're a business, a machine. Stuff happens.
I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to drop the 9-member gimmick going forward.
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It should be noted that a lot of the douchebaggery [and I'm just piggybacking on your word, ErHaO, it's not related to what you meant in your post] is... let's say "guessed at" by the audience. They keep their affairs really close to their chest.
A lot of the anger at Corey and Clown seems to have stemmed from the dismissal of Chris Fehn, when court documents came up and it was revealed that they were named as CEOs or CFOs (or whatever) in companies associated with the group (I can't remember if it was Slipknot LLC or Knotfest LLC, there were a handful of companies). The Chris situation brought that out in the open (with no details as to how the money is actually split between members and what the situation is for the other tenured members of the band like Jim, Mick and Sid).
That's the best explanation I can come up with, because other than that... When was the last time Clown or Corey actually did a verifiably shitty thing? Corey's always in the spotlight "speaking his mind" or whatever (and has been since... well, since he's been a public figure) and Clown's doing his videos and giving cryptic interviews (and increasingly less of them).
I'm wouldn't vouch for either of them and the band's inner workings, but it surprised me that the narrative has become "we hate those two guys now" (not necessarily here, but in the band's subreddit? Hoo boy). Hell, even Anders Colsefni (their first singer) name-checked Corey as the guy in Slipknot who he's been in touch with over the years and who was only ever supportive of him. And Corey was literally the guy who replaced him.
I can't control who people blame for situations in bands, but the amount of sportive vitriol against some members of Slipknot startles me – and my guess is that this only happens because they don't do their laundry in public. This applies to any lineup change since Joey.
All that being said... the news about Jay truly shocked me. However, apparently Jim spoke out on an instagram comment (nothing revealing, just "nobody outside the band knows what it's like, there's more to it than just being creative and playing live, there's the psychology of it all, and sometimes it's great and sometimes it sucks"). Just a reminder that a) there's more to these situations than we can know from outside; and b) they're a business, a machine. Stuff happens.
I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to drop the 9-member gimmick going forward.
I agree with you. I am not calling anyone a douchebag directly. Or that at least is not my intention. And even if I do in a certain context, that does not mean I think someone is a bad person.
I think people on social media hold famous people to a very unrealistic standard. Sometimes I wonder how people on Reddit and X function in real life. Almost every team I have been involved with has some people that don't get along, with none of those people really being in the wrong. In the end, we don't know what goes on behind the scenes.
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Yeah, I mostly agree too even if I said Clown/Corey might be toxic. Doesn't mean they are douchebags, but its hard to not notice the poor treatment of some of the members. We just don't have that information. I don't follow Clown much, but Corey has been outspoken a lot of times and often rubs off as kind of a dick to me. Granted, I think some of that is the necessary bravado of being the frontman of a huge metal band, but some of it rubs me off that the guy is a legit dick. I was also at the concert in maybe 2016 when Corey hit the kids phones out of his hand in the front row because he was sending a text message during their set. Shit like that is not forgotten by me.
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I agree with you. I am not calling anyone a douchebag directly. Or that at least is not my intention. And even if I do in a certain context, that does not mean I think someone is a bad person.
I think people on social media hold famous people to a very unrealistic standard. Sometimes I wonder how people on Reddit and X function in real life. Almost every team I have been involved with has some people that don't get along, with none of those people really being in the wrong. In the end, we don't know what goes on behind the scenes.
We are in full agreement. I don't know if I expressed this properly with my disclaimer, but I wanted to make it clear that I wasn't addressing you directly – I think you had (and have) a very reasonable take on the whole thing.
This unrealistic standard is really tiresome. And it's really a bandwagon: I remember when the Slipknot subreddit was a place for decent discussions and opinions, but it's degenerated into a cesspool where if you don't come in saying "I think Clown is a horrible human being" you're read as this sycophant.
Yeah, I mostly agree too even if I said Clown/Corey might be toxic. Doesn't mean they are douchebags, but its hard to not notice the poor treatment of some of the members. We just don't have that information. I don't follow Clown much, but Corey has been outspoken a lot of times and often rubs off as kind of a dick to me. Granted, I think some of that is the necessary bravado of being the frontman of a huge metal band, but some of it rubs me off that the guy is a legit dick. I was also at the concert in maybe 2016 when Corey hit the kids phones out of his hand in the front row because he was sending a text message during their set. Shit like that is not forgotten by me.
I agree that Corey slapping the phone of that kid's hands was unnecessary. It reeked of this old school rockstar-ism that doesn't befit other parts of the persona he likes to project (an everyman who "made it").
In terms of his relations with other bandmembers... I dunno. The last time he lashed out at another member publicly was back around the Iowa days when Clown manifested he was jealous/unhappy at Corey doing Stone Sour and Slipknot at the same time. After than, he's been pretty political and cordial, even when Chris was let go (at most he said something like "Chris knows what he did"). Any further details are firmly behind the scenes.
Hell, Joey was a lot more belligerant (I remember when an interviewer asked about the album after AHIG considering Corey's extra-slipknot activities and Joey responded something like "we'll do it with him or without him"), but that too probably had its context.
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Just watched the episode of Tank the Tech talking about Jay's firing and he made some interesting insights about what could have happened as well as who might replace Jay. Obviously nothing conclusive but still an interesting watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6ckmNF4Rhk
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I've never given Slipknot a good listen over the years, chalking them up to a bunch of nu-metal angst. But all of the talk about Jay's drumming has me checking out their albums and I'm kicking myself for not paying more attention to the band. This is some really heavy shit.
I do have a fun story about these guys though. I went to Ozzfest 1999 with some college/high school friends at Alpine Valley in Wisconsin. We all had seats in the pavilion - as Slayer was coming up next, my friends ran off to the second stage to see Slipknot. They were touring on their first album, which was blowing up that summer. I looked at them and was like "what the hell?" Slayer's coming up on the main stage and you want to see some weird, second stage band over thrash legends? I didn't want to miss my chance to see one of my favorite bands for the first time ever and I wasn't leaving. So they went off and I watched Slayer alone.
Several months later, I was watching MTV while back at college and they debuted the new video for Slipknot's Wait and Bleed. I watched it and rolled my eyes....until I saw my friend's face in a crowd shot. He was up-front on the rail at that Ozzfest show, and they had filmed at that show for the video. Had I gone with them, I could have been in the video too. But I don't regret my decision at all. :)
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Jay finally broke his silence on this. Said he is heartbroken and was blindsided. They were classy enough to do it over the phone, apparently. I also read that Slipknot have since deleted the posts announcing his firing. Nice.
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Jay finally broke his silence on this. Said he is heartbroken and was blindsided. They were classy enough to do it over the phone, apparently. I also read that Slipknot have since deleted the posts announcing his firing. Nice.
So he did or did not understand Slipknot's decision to move forward without him?
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Jay finally broke his silence on this. Said he is heartbroken and was blindsided. They were classy enough to do it over the phone, apparently. I also read that Slipknot have since deleted the posts announcing his firing. Nice.
So he did or did not understand Slipknot's decision to move forward without him?
Maybe Slipknot can't decide to move forward with or without him. ::)
Even if that was made in "error" if I was Jay, I'd begin to have a backup plan in place. :omg:
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I don't follow or even like Slipknot, but I have found this change interesting, especially after watching DT go through the same thing.
I never knew that Jay Weinberg was Max Weinberg's son. That's cool.
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And he even subbed for his father once or twice (with Bruce Springsteen of course), I believe it was 2009!
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And he even subbed for his father once or twice (with Bruce Springsteen of course), I believe it was 2009!
I saw that on a youtube recap of the Slipknot situation. That's cool!
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Another example of Jay being a class act. This move makes no sense for the band unless the rumors of Clown wanting his son to join the band are true.
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Im really surprised by most things I've read in here. I've only ever heard of Jay as an asshole and what he did to Against Me! was pretty fucked up.
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Jay finally broke his silence on this. Said he is heartbroken and was blindsided. They were classy enough to do it over the phone, apparently. I also read that Slipknot have since deleted the posts announcing his firing. Nice.
So he did or did not understand Slipknot's decision to move forward without him?
Maybe Slipknot can't decide to move forward with or without him. ::)
Even if that was made in "error" if I was Jay, I'd begin to have a backup plan in place. :omg:
No, he's gone. I believe their posts were getting hammered with negative responses. At one point they disabled comments and then they just decided to remove them entirely. They suck at handling press.
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I don't understand. Why not just make the statement and be done with it?
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I never knew that Jay Weinberg was Max Weinberg's son. That's cool.
He filled in on drums when I saw Bruce Springsteen in 2009, Max was busy with something else (I think it was Conan O'Brien's show).
Edit: I saw that it was already mentioned.
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Definitely explains how some kid in his early 20s got a job in one of the biggest bands around.
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I don't understand. Why not just make the statement and be done with it?
They did -- it's on their official website. Both on Jay's and Craig's dismissal they made instagram posts and then took them off (likely because the comments are overwhemingly negative, but I can't say for sure).
I've been wondering. When Jay and Alex got in the band, for the first few months the band wanted them to remain anonymous. Same goes for Michael Pfaff (the infamous Tortilla Man, who replaced Chris) and their new keyboard player, who I believe is Zac Baird (who replaced Craig). The latter hasn't even been fully confirmed as being the member seen onstage and in pictures.
Maybe (and this doesn't look good on the band, but whatever) (and its not an original idea either, I've seen someone either here or on Reddit suggesting this) they're angling for a more Ghost-like approach in that the members remain anonymous/exchangable. By that I mean even Corey and Clown might eventually bow out and be replaced by individuals playing their roles. Corey for one seems much more pleased with his solo career than with Slipknot (which is understandable -- he's the captain of that ship) and Clown, for as much as I appreciate his role and dig both his performance and musical decisions, might be seeing a way out of this. Jim, Mick and Sid (the other remaining semi-OGs) definitely have other things to do.
It'd be the ultimate cash-grab. Their setlists have been pretty static for a while now. Maybe after the Roadrunner contract elapsing, instead of looking forward to more albums as an independent act, they just want to spin their wheels as a legacy act (which time-wise is ridiculous, I figured the expression "legacy act" applies to bands that have been active for 40+ years, not 25).
As I say all of this, I must mention that this might not necessarily be Clown or Corey's idea. I think they have a big, big backstage operation (as any major band does) and while they might go along with an idea like this, it doesn't mean they're necessarily the people having the ideas. Not anymore, I think.
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I'd be surprised if Corey and Shawn weren't in control of their own band. Just shut it down already if you've unhappy with it. They had a good run.
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I don't understand. Why not just make the statement and be done with it?
Well they did, but I think this is Slipknot's way of doing things and it also adds to the reason people think they may be dicks. They deleted the posts of previous members exit from the band as well. Likely they make their statement and then move on, fairly quickly and don't want the negativity to remain on their timeline. In some ways I get it, but also, it feels a bit disrespectful to the former band member.
Another example of Jay being a class act. This move makes no sense for the band unless the rumors of Clown wanting his son to join the band are true.
I reallly hope this is not the case. Nothing against Clown's son, I don't know much about him, but the idea of kicking out a member to make room for a family member would piss a lot of people off.
Im really surprised by most things I've read in here. I've only ever heard of Jay as an asshole and what he did to Against Me! was pretty fucked up.
I don't follow Jay closely to know much about him, but it seems people are mostly positive about him. I've never heard this story, could you share more?
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Jay announced he was leaving Against Me! on social media, never telling anyone in the band or management before he announced it. They were just finishing an album and had a bunch of tour dates already lined up.
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There are rumours the band complained jay was playing faster than attended live
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Jay announced he was leaving Against Me! on social media, never telling anyone in the band or management before he announced it. They were just finishing an album and had a bunch of tour dates already lined up.
Not the best way to end things, was this to join Slipknot then? Maybe what comes around goes around then.
There are rumours the band complained jay was playing faster than attended live
I haven't seen that, but I've seen rumors that the guys just didn't like him. I feel like a professional drummer could slow down if that was an issue, so it's got to be more than that. Maybe a culmination of many things.
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Check this https://www.sevenstring.org/threads/slipknot-split-with-jay-weinberg.364984/post-5590161
About tempo issues
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Interesting Tank the Tech video about who might be the new Slipknot drummer...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd3BYmhbx_s
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Interesting Tank the Tech video about who might be the new Slipknot drummer...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd3BYmhbx_s
Watched this yesterday, my thought was "he could be the next drummer, but he also could be the next drum tech" :lol
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Jay Weinberg get sacked/leaves Slipknot
Eloy Casagrande leaves Sepultura
Greyson Nekrutman leaves Suicidal Tendencies
Greyson Nekrutman joins Sepultura
Jay Weinberg joins Suicidal Tendencies
Eloy Casagrande joins Slipknot
Everyones happy..... :lol ::)
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What a circle jerk :lol
Slipknot have brought back the old look for the 25 year anniversary. They just announced a Knotfest in Iowa to celebrate that looks pretty cool.
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Slipknot finally got their metal card stamped with the final boss Babymetal....
There was some great video of the girls on the side of the stage rocking out to Slipknot last weekend...
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/440075596_349508638110188_3961882710908559085_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=20sZzJi2RlEAb4D-C1r&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=00_AfB4V6FaGArow_iem4jf-cx7s-jiAzVE3B6Jd3o4ekD-qQ&oe=66359FCE)
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I was starting to wonder if Babymetal just camped in that spot and took pictures with every band at that festival :lol
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I was starting to wonder if Babymetal just camped in that spot and took pictures with every band at that festival :lol
I think you mean Babymetal held court there so every band could take pictures with them..... ;)
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I think you mean Babymetal held court there so every band could take pictures with them..... ;)
No ego just results
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That’s cool.
For some reason I tended to assume that the Babymetal singers didn’t really care about metal and were just doing it as a gig.
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That’s cool.
For some reason I tended to assume that the Babymetal singers didn’t really care about metal and were just doing it as a gig.
My understanding, the girls didn't know about metal when Babymetal was started, but they've been around for awhile now. I don't know if they are fans now, but it seems like they have found respect for other bands and likewise back.
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Yeah, in the beginning it was just a gig, but they've definitely embraced the genre and culture. Thursday night in SF, you could plainly tell they were having an absolute blast with the insane reaction they got from the SF crowd, and you just take one look at their recent performances with Bring Me the Horizon at their Tokyo shows (they did Kingslayer onstage with them), they are full on metalheads now.
Here's the BMTH performance, even if you aren't a fan of either, you gotta respect this one, it's so energetic and intense...
https://youtu.be/6kYS_DMCuxw?si=d6vUOcJzi__s3IU7 (https://youtu.be/6kYS_DMCuxw?si=d6vUOcJzi__s3IU7)
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Eloy is such a beast and i'm not surprised he eventually got an offer from a bigger band.
Watching some of the clips, the energy he plays with could power a small city....yikes!
SLIPKNOT LIVE - 25th ANNIVERSARY SHOW - PIONEER TOWN, CA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRNYNEWfHoI&ab_channel=TheHouseofMasks)
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Eloy is great, but I'm still wondering what was wrong with Jay in the first place. It's not like they had to kick out a clearly inferior drummer, that guy was just as brilliant.
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Eloy is great, but I'm still wondering what was wrong with Jay in the first place. It's not like they had to kick out a clearly inferior drummer, that guy was just as brilliant.
I've been finding a few points of comparison that might explain why the shift was interesting from a live performance perspective.
Here's the segue into the last chorus for People = Shit played last year with Jay: https://youtu.be/XlbB5p_VgZM?t=172 (https://youtu.be/XlbB5p_VgZM?t=172)
Now here's the same part played last saturday with Eloy: https://youtu.be/RvM43lW82mw?t=281 (https://youtu.be/RvM43lW82mw?t=281)
Another good track to compare is Psychosocial. Jay (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r50aLOIz9Y4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r50aLOIz9Y4)) and Eloy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGtyPLzfHDw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGtyPLzfHDw)).
Or Duality. Jay (https://youtu.be/GGe7IM-GBE8?t=65 (https://youtu.be/GGe7IM-GBE8?t=65)) and Eloy (https://youtu.be/rozAjykeNL8?si=yAlv9vRP7I2Uf5oW (https://youtu.be/rozAjykeNL8?si=yAlv9vRP7I2Uf5oW)).
I think it's pretty clear that Eloy reigning in the tempos is doing WONDERS for the band's performance overall. It's less of a strain on Corey, it helps everyone take their cues together (not a mean feat for a 9-piece group)... it's a pretty fantastic difference in my book.
I dig Jay a bunch as a drummer, really enjoyed the albums that came out while he was in the band. But these examples I offered above are pretty rough.
I'll concede that Jay's rushing live wasn't bad enough to warrant the dismissal for that reason alone -- but if the rumors are right and he was tough to deal with in an interpersonal level (within the band and with the crew), then it becomes really hard to keep the guy in. Especially with him having nearly 10 years to get his act together in both fronts (performance and alleged [lack of] interpersonal skills).
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Interesting points. I did notice that he often pushed the tempo up a few notches in the live performances, but I had no idea that it could have caused a large issue. Something like that could've been addressed in rehearsals. However, it's news to me that he was difficult to get along with. A dismissal would then make sense, though it's a shame.
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Generally pushing the tempo is good in the live setting for my tastes in live music.
I think it was a more personal thing between him and the band. The musical differences which likely exist were probably more minor.
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Huh.
I kind of assumed that for at least the last decade or so that Slipknot would just play to a click or something.
But since they're not, isn't that the kind of music you DON'T want perfectly stable tempos?
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMaxn6eacAAbHI4?format=jpg&name=large)
I'll try to go to the MSG show :metal
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Huh.
I kind of assumed that for at least the last decade or so that Slipknot would just play to a click or something.
But since they're not, isn't that the kind of music you DON'T want perfectly stable tempos?
Absolutely. Eloy isn't playing to a grid or holding the rest of the band to one -- he's avoiding the (at times) clumsy fluctuations that happened in some cases (and specific songs) that were just too fast. The songs themselves still have their natural tempo swells and dips.
Take Psychosocial. It became commonplace over the years for SK to play it twice as fast. Now with Eloy they're doing it at studio tempo and the groove is just there again.