Author Topic: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged) (Read 453274 times)

ariich · « **Reply #2170 on:** February 09, 2015, 09:17:09 AM »

Quote from: Mebert78 on February 09, 2015, 09:12:14 AM

Quote from: wolfking on February 09, 2015, 04:34:40 AM
I'll believe that album news when I hear it.

Same here. Daniel said in an interview a couple years ago that he doesn't want PoS to be prog metal anymore. I find it curious that he would backtrack on that. Perhaps the Road Salt albums didn't sell well? As I've said before, I'm not a fan of Daniel using the prog metal banner only when it's beneficial for him. For example, he has the band appear at ProgPower USA after saying in an interview he doesn't want the band to be prog metal anymore. I feel like he needs to decide what he wants PoS to be. Too much flip-flopping for me.

I'm fairly sure he never said he didn't want the band to be prog metal. He definitely said that he doesn't like labels (as many MANY artists have also said) and that being labelled as prog metal has certian connotations that he doesn't think apply to POS at all.

And appearing at a festival doesn't suggest any flip-flopping at all, it's just a festival, a good chance to play music to a large audience.

Regarding new material, similarly I'll reserve judgement. But I don't see what him suggesting that it's feeling like early PoS has to do with the whole prog metal, as he's never thought of the band that way in the first place. "Prog metal" is a label that other people attached to the band.

I also get the impression that by "early POS" he's talking Entropia/Concrete Lake, but I could be wrong.

Zantera · « **Reply #2171 on:** February 09, 2015, 09:20:00 AM »

I guess anyone can change their opinions. I make music myself, and while it is nowhere near the same level as Daniel makes music on, I can still relate to the mood and mindset changing after albums. After you finish a certain album you might want to go a different route and explore new ideas, and then you might want to return to something. Daniel is a very impulsive guy who does what he wants to do himself, but at least from my experiences he sticks to his guns. When he sets his mind on something, he follows through. Like when he put the embargo on touring in America because of his hate for Bush, but then when Obama was elected, Daniel didn't mind playing there again. If he says he will make another metal album PoS, I believe he will. If the album will be good or not, that is an entirely different question.

Lynxo · « **Reply #2172 on:** February 10, 2015, 03:17:10 AM »

Quote from: ariich on February 09, 2015, 09:17:09 AM

I'm fairly sure he never said he didn't want the band to be prog metal. He definitely said that he doesn't like labels (as many MANY artists have also said) and that being labelled as prog metal has certian connotations that he doesn't think apply to POS at all.

And appearing at a festival doesn't suggest any flip-flopping at all, it's just a festival, a good chance to play music to a large audience.

Yeah, that's what I remember as well. Who cares what they call themselves? Good music is good music. Or, as the case may be with the Road Salts, average music.

At least in my opinion.

Ultimetalhead · « **Reply #2173 on:** February 14, 2015, 09:20:47 AM »

Perfect Element III. Do it Daniel you beautiful son of a bitch. Seriously, if we get another prog metal POS album I will fucking explode with joy. Those first four albums are incredible, BE and Scarsick being unbelievable letdowns after such a pedigree of excellence. I still love Road Salt, of course, but it's not even in the same galaxy.

I hope the time comes when we can write off 2003-2015 as an identity crisis for Daniel and get back to the good stuff.

Zantera · « **Reply #2174 on:** February 14, 2015, 10:02:00 AM »

I listened to BE the other day, and it is still their best album by far IMO. The first four are also really special. TPE part 3 would be interesting in theory, but I'm skeptical if the actual result would be good. Scarsick is a mixed bag at best, and generally considered their worst album by many. TPE part 3 could be great, but it could also be another Scarsick. I think it's similar to if DT would announce Metropolis Part 3. It would be exciting on paper, but in reality it would be hard to live up to the "original".

ariich · « **Reply #2175 on:** February 14, 2015, 10:53:35 AM »

I personally don't get the whole "godly first four albums" thing, as One Hour is easily my least favourite of theirs, and I rank Entropia fairly low as well.

Crow · « **Reply #2176 on:** February 14, 2015, 11:06:59 AM »

Entropia is great. One Hour is good but probably my least favorite of the original 5, still like it a lot though. TPE1 through BE are bloody untouchable and I will hear no word to the contrary. Scarsick is 70% good 30% the worst they've ever done. Road Salt 1 is mostly forgettable. Road Salt 2 is better but still not great.

abydos · « **Reply #2177 on:** February 14, 2015, 11:14:40 AM »

I hope someday we get a remixed or remastered first two albums. I still can't listen to pretty much anything post-BE, and having those awesome albums in a better quality would be super sweet.

Scorpion · « **Reply #2178 on:** February 14, 2015, 11:21:42 AM »

WTF Rich Entropia is awesome.

Zantera · « **Reply #2179 on:** February 14, 2015, 11:28:21 AM »

Entropia would be my third favorite album of theirs after BE and TPE. One Hour is probably the weakest out of the first five, but it still has several gems like Handful of Nothing, New Years Eve, Home and Inside, and overall it flows pretty nicely.

ariich · « **Reply #2180 on:** February 14, 2015, 03:29:41 PM »

Quote from: Scorpion on February 14, 2015, 11:21:42 AM

WTF Rich Entropia is awesome.

For sure, but so are all the rest. Very consistently excellent band!

Lynxo · « **Reply #2181 on:** February 14, 2015, 04:47:50 PM »

I'd also rank One Hour last. But everything up to Handful of Nothing is just as good as everything else they've done.

It says something about a band when they have an album with four amazing songs and I still rank that album last.

Lynxo · « **Reply #2182 on:** February 14, 2015, 04:49:11 PM »

Oh! I just remembered Shore Serenity! I've never ever heard anyone talk about it but I always found it to be an awesome, unsettling and musically crazy song.

LordCost · « **Reply #2183 on:** February 14, 2015, 05:40:37 PM »

One Hour is the last album of Pos I started to love. It sounded as if it was older than Entropia (which instead I loved at first listen), it was difficult to remember melodies because it's really homogeneous, less song oriented than Entropia, with shorter songs that flows really well into each other, which seemed less memorable alone. So I skipped it and tried TPE..
At the moment is my favourite Pos album. New Years' Eve and Black Hills are my favourites here, but almost everything is awesome. I've never liked too much Pilgrim and Inside Out is my second least favourite song (the central part is spectacular but the whole song doesn't convince me entirely). The rest is really flawless

Crow · « **Reply #2184 on:** February 14, 2015, 07:18:07 PM »

Shore Serenity is one of my favorites on One Hour, it's just a really powerful song.

pain of occupation · « **Reply #2185 on:** February 17, 2015, 10:37:04 PM »

this one time during a day off at band camp, I went and stood by a concrete lake for over an hour, and...

Elite · « **Reply #2186 on:** February 18, 2015, 06:59:59 AM »

You guys are all crazy. One Hour is their second best album.

jammindude · « **Reply #2187 on:** February 18, 2015, 07:21:55 AM »

I love One Hour A LOT, but it's still my least favorite of the "classic 4". It's still amazing, just not quite the level of amazing that the other three are.

Remedy Lane is definitely my #1, but after that it gets tough. The Perfect Element and Entropia are a dead heat...choosing between them would be like choosing between my children. I love BE, but it's almost hard to rank along side the rest. It's just so different that it's hard to compare it to anything.

My list is probably

Remedy Lane
The Perfect Element
Entropia
BE
Scarsick
One Hour by the Concrete Lake
Road Salt 2
Road Salt 1

I still love them all.

Zantera · « **Reply #2188 on:** February 18, 2015, 07:49:09 AM »

I'd go:

BE
The Perfect Element
Entropia
Remedy Lane
One Hour By the Concrete Lake
Road Salt Two
Scarsick
Road Salt One

Lynxo · « **Reply #2189 on:** February 18, 2015, 08:02:56 AM »

Remedy Lane
BE
The Perfect Element
12:5
Entropia
One Hour By The Concrete Lake
Scarsick
Falling Home
Road Salt Two
Road Salt One

Yeah, for me they really have their best years behind them.

Elite · « **Reply #2190 on:** February 18, 2015, 08:22:36 AM »

I don't like doing this:

Remedy Lane
One Hour by the Concrete Lake
The Perfect Element
BE
Entropia
Falling Home
Road Salt 2
Road Salt 1
Scarsick

Prog Snob · « **Reply #2191 on:** February 18, 2015, 08:36:50 AM »

I have a hard time getting into PoS but really I've tried. Someone recommend a good starting point.

jammindude · « **Reply #2192 on:** February 18, 2015, 08:44:01 AM »

Most people tend to agree that Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element are the biggies. BE is awesome, but not a good starter record imo.

Heck, even though I love Remedy Lane best, for me that album took a few spins before I got it. Whereas TPE hit me immediately. Your mileage may vary.

Scorpion · « **Reply #2193 on:** February 18, 2015, 08:51:38 AM »

Prog Snob: I mainly agree with jammin. Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element are the best examples of the POS sound. However, as a single song, I'd say Iter Impius is one of the most accesible songs that still showcases what makes the band so good - it was the song that got me into PoS.

Here's a link to that song.

ariich · « **Reply #2194 on:** February 18, 2015, 08:57:25 AM »

Quote from: Scorpion on February 18, 2015, 08:51:38 AM

Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element are the best examples of the POS sound.

Not sure what this means, other than those being the most popular "classic" albums amongst the fanbase.

Anyway, RANKING TIME WOO

1. Be
2. The Perfect Element
3. Road Salt Two
4. Remedy Lane
=. Road Salt One
6. Entropia
=. Scarsick
8. One Hour by the Concrete Lake

I haven't included 12:5 or Falling Home as they're almost entirely acoustic arrangements of other POS songs. If They're both great as well though.

Prog Snob · « **Reply #2195 on:** February 18, 2015, 09:10:31 AM »

Thanks guys. I'm going to check out Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element, maybe hit up YouTube to listen to them for a bit.

finn the fisherman · « **Reply #2196 on:** February 18, 2015, 09:18:50 AM »

I'll listen to any of their albums,as their all excellent,but with one exception,which is the awful Scarsick! I also think Gildenlow has rather been influenced lately by his adventures touring with prog rock supergroup Transatlantic,and a few years ago recording with fellow Swedes The Flower Kings.I suppose as he is the main man within POS,he does what he pleases!

Kwyjibo · « **Reply #2197 on:** February 18, 2015, 09:27:15 AM »

Ranking Time

1a. The Perfect Element
1b. Remedy Lane
2. Entropia
3a. Road Salt One
3b. Scarsick
4a. BE
4b. Road Salt Two
5. One Hour By The Concrete Lake

Scorpion · « **Reply #2198 on:** February 18, 2015, 12:04:24 PM »

1. Remedy Land
2. Entropia
3. The Perfect Element
4. One Hour By the Concrete Lake
5. Road Salt 1 / Road Salt 2
6. Be
7. Scarsick

abydos · « **Reply #2199 on:** February 18, 2015, 12:10:30 PM »

1. TPE
2. RL
3. OHBTCL
4. BE/Entropia

The others aren't worth mentioning and I feel better pretending they don't exist at all, kind of like post-PL Queensryche.

Prog Snob · « **Reply #2200 on:** February 18, 2015, 12:26:06 PM »

Okay. I gave Remedy Lane a listen to and I generally enjoyed it. Maybe after a couple of more listens it'll be even better.

Scorpion · « **Reply #2201 on:** February 18, 2015, 04:41:26 PM »

Quote from: ariich on February 18, 2015, 08:57:25 AM

Quote from: Scorpion on February 18, 2015, 08:51:38 AM
Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element are the best examples of the POS sound.
Not sure what this means, other than those being the most popular "classic" albums amongst the fanbase.

What that means, in my opinion, is that they exemplify the sound that had come to define PoS. BE is a lot more vocal-oriented and concept-y, Entropia is a lot more funky and avant-garde-ish, Scarsick is more straightforward and the Road Salts are obviously a completely different beast, but TPE and RL (and OHBTCL too, I suppose) really exemplify that sound that made PoS well known and helped them to critical acclaim, even though of course elements of that crop up all over their career.

Crow · « **Reply #2202 on:** February 18, 2015, 05:01:16 PM »

The Perfect Element
Remedy Lane
BE
Entropia
One Hour

Scarsick
Road Salt Two

Road Salt One

SS and RS2 are basically on the same level, SS has higher highs and lower lows (ungodly low lows, dear god)

LordCost · « **Reply #2203 on:** February 18, 2015, 06:15:01 PM »

1. One Hour By The Concrete Lake
2. Entropia
3. Remedy Lane
4. Be - Scarsick
6. The Perfect Element
7. Road Salt 1-2

I don't know why too many songs on TPE leave me indifferent, so I have to place it low.. however I like every album, even Road Salt

Ultimetalhead · « **Reply #2204 on:** February 18, 2015, 10:14:27 PM »

The Perfect Element
Remedy Lane
Entropia
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Road Salt One
Road Salt Two (yep)
One Hour By the Concrete Lake
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BE
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*sigh*

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That "thing" they call Scarsick

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Author Topic: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged) (Read 453274 times)