Your Controversial Opinions on DT

[TheGreatPretender]

DT made a mistake not letting MP back in the band. Anyone said that?

False.

[KevShmev]

Why would anyone say that?  The band has been much better since than they were the last few years when he was in the band.  Like has been stated many times, a change was needed.

[adastra]

DT made a mistake not letting MP back in the band. Anyone said that?

False.

My True was "Truer" than your False! ^_^ !

[TheGreatPretender]

My True was "Truer" than your False! ^_^ !

My true was so true that I didn't need to try too hard to overstate it. 

[adastra]

My True was "Truer" than your False! ^_^ !

My true was so true that I didn't need to try too hard to overstate it. 

So, is my opinion wrong ? :<

[TheGreatPretender]

So, is my opinion wrong ? :<

You're asking me? If you want me to actually answer that, then yes... Yes, it's wrong. Fact.

[adastra]

So, is my opinion wrong ? :<

You're asking me? If you want me to actually answer that, then yes... Yes, it's wrong. Fact.

Haha xD 

[Sycsa]

DT made a mistake not letting MP back in the band.

About that, it seemed hypocritical from the band saying stuff like "we've literally been a family", "it's heartbreaking", "we never wanted this to happen" and then still closing the door on MP.

[TheGreatPretender]

About that, it seemed hypocritical from the band saying stuff like "we've literally been a family", "it's heartbreaking", "we never wanted this to happen" and then still closing the door on MP.

But at the same time, it would be a real dick move if they made Mangini quit his job and rearrange his life, and then told him, "Sorry, nevermind." I'm sure that MP would have known better than to ask to come back if he had known that they'd already chosen a drummer at that point. Since they were keeping it hush hush, he didn't know what was going on.

[rumborak]

DT made a mistake not letting MP back in the band.

About that, it seemed hypocritical from the band saying stuff like "we've literally been a family", "it's heartbreaking", "we never wanted this to happen" and then still closing the door on MP.

I don't see how that is hypocritical, at all. When you have a violent fallout with someone, you regret that it has happened, but even when that person later comes back with the tail between their legs, you don't just get back together with them.

[son_ov_hades]

DT made a mistake not letting MP back in the band. Anyone said that?

If they let Portnoy back in the band and did Black Clouds part 2 I would probably not be a fan anymore. The two Mangini albums are much better than the later Portnoy albums, so not a mistake at all and I'm glad it happened. 

[Mindflux]

DT made a mistake not letting MP back in the band. Anyone said that?

If they let Portnoy back in the band and did Black Clouds part 2 I would probably not be a fan anymore. The two Mangini albums are much better than the later Portnoy albums, so not a mistake at all and I'm glad it happened.

Event though I own everything DT has released, I haven't been into any of the albums since Systematic Chaos.  Not a fan of BC&SL, ADTOE or "DT" nearly as much as their work with MP. 

[TheGreatPretender]

Event though I own everything DT has released, I haven't been into any of the albums since Systematic Chaos.  Not a fan of BC&SL, ADTOE or "DT" nearly as much as their work with MP.

As unfortunate as that may be, the fact that you included BC&SL into it means that your disinterest probably doesn't stem from Portnoy's absence.

[Mindflux]

Event though I own everything DT has released, I haven't been into any of the albums since Systematic Chaos.  Not a fan of BC&SL, ADTOE or "DT" nearly as much as their work with MP.

As unfortunate as that may be, the fact that you included BC&SL into it means that your disinterest probably doesn't stem from Portnoy's absence.

I imagine it does, Mangini is a beast but I miss Mike P there.  BC&SL never connected for me and then from there I  just feel it's gone downhill. 

[son_ov_hades]

Event though I own everything DT has released, I haven't been into any of the albums since Systematic Chaos.  Not a fan of BC&SL, ADTOE or "DT" nearly as much as their work with MP.

As unfortunate as that may be, the fact that you included BC&SL into it means that your disinterest probably doesn't stem from Portnoy's absence.

+1
Systematic Chaos and Black Clouds were basically by the Mike Portnoy Band haha.

[Mindflux]

Event though I own everything DT has released, I haven't been into any of the albums since Systematic Chaos.  Not a fan of BC&SL, ADTOE or "DT" nearly as much as their work with MP.

As unfortunate as that may be, the fact that you included BC&SL into it means that your disinterest probably doesn't stem from Portnoy's absence.

+1
Systematic Chaos and Black Clouds were basically by the Mike Portnoy Band haha.

SC is probably my 3rd favorite DT Album.  BC&SL feels like a huge departure in terms of quality (to me).

SFAM
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SC

[TheGreatPretender]

SC is probably my 3rd favorite DT Album. 

That in itself is a very controversial opinion, but I totally agree. I love SC.

[Edan the Man]

Sounds like you're in the right thread!

[Sycsa]

SC is probably my 3rd favorite DT Album. 

That in itself is a very controversial opinion, but I totally agree. I love SC.

Well, ITPOE and TDEN are excellent, TMOLS has its moments, CM has got a good chorus, the rest are eh.

[TheGreatPretender]

The only thing that drags SC down for me are the spoken word passages in Repentance. Aside from that, every moment on the album is amazing from the beginning until the very end.

[fllnsprrw]

There may be only be a few of us in this camp, at least on these forums, but I belong with those who do not believe Dream Theater is a better band without Mike Portnoy. My obsession with DT has indeed waned a little with his departure. Some of the magic is gone. I still haven't finished watching the new DT bluray...

[RodrigoAltaf]

There may be only be a few of us in this camp, at least on these forums, but I belong with those who do not believe Dream Theater is a better band without Mike Portnoy. My obsession with DT has indeed waned a little with his departure. Some of the magic is gone. I still haven't finished watching the new DT bluray...

 Fully agree, and I haven´t finished the new Blu-Ray either. I was watching a few tracks today and thought "Mangini is a monster, but Portnoy´s drumming has SO much more punch and character".

[XB0BX]

I love SC and PoW.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Me too.

[King Postwhore]

There may be only be a few of us in this camp, at least on these forums, but I belong with those who do not believe Dream Theater is a better band without Mike Portnoy. My obsession with DT has indeed waned a little with his departure. Some of the magic is gone. I still haven't finished watching the new DT bluray...

Well you and MP only have MP to blame.

[moof]

There may be only be a few of us in this camp, at least on these forums, but I belong with those who do not believe Dream Theater is a better band without Mike Portnoy. My obsession with DT has indeed waned a little with his departure. Some of the magic is gone. I still haven't finished watching the new DT bluray...

Agreed.

Mangini is absolutely amazing... But he'll never be Mike Portnoy

[Grizz]

I'm with this resurgence of MP support. I have to ask, though— is it fair to blame the early RR albums on MP?
Also BC&SL kicks ass, quite possibly the best RR album.

[TheGreatPretender]

Mangini is absolutely amazing... But he'll never be Mike Portnoy

You're right. He'll never add crappy backup vocals that ruin the songs.

[Anguyen92]

Mangini is absolutely amazing... But he'll never be Mike Portnoy

You're right. He'll never add crappy backup vocals that ruin the songs.

We may not know about that until they get back into the studio, for their next album, and, all of a sudden, decide to have Mangini to add backup vocals, then we can see what happens then.

[TheGreatPretender]

We may not know about that until they get back into the studio, for their next album, and, all of a sudden, decide to have Mangini to add backup vocals, then we can see what happens then.

Has Mangini ever done vocals, screaming ones for that matter? I mean, if he can sing harmonies, then that shouldn't be a problem, but I really doubt we'll be hearing anything like, "My brotha!" from him.

[Polarbear]

SC is probably my 3rd favorite DT Album. 

I would not rate SC that high, but it is the best post- SDOIT album.

There may be only be a few of us in this camp, at least on these forums, but I belong with those who do not believe Dream Theater is a better band without Mike Portnoy. My obsession with DT has indeed waned a little with his departure. Some of the magic is gone. I still haven't finished watching the new DT bluray...

I agree 100 %

Here is my controversial opinion. I would be surprised if Jordan Rudess stays with DT after the 2015 album tour.

[RodrigoAltaf]

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Here is my controversial opinion. I would be surprised if Jordan Rudess stays with DT after the 2015 album tour.
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 It´s the second time I read this on the forum this week - not sure if it was you who posted it the first time. Is he this tired of DT to the point of leaving?

[Sycsa]

Mangini is absolutely amazing... But he'll never be Mike Portnoy

You're right. He'll never add crappy backup vocals that ruin the songs.

I know what you mean, I severely miss his normal backing vocals (Fatal Tragedy, Home, WIMH, TGP, Blind Faith...). The fact that they decided to remedy this by backing tracks in James' voice adds insult to injury.

[TheGreatPretender]

Is he this tired of DT to the point of leaving?

I really, really doubt it. I mean, considering that he was just as against taking a hiatus as everyone else, when MP suggested it, and seeing how happy and excited he was during the ADTOE tour, constantly posting youtube videos, going out to say hi to the fans and everything, I really don't see where this perceived lack of enthusiasm is coming from. It's sad when a fan loses their enthusiasm for the band, but I feel like that lack of enthusiasm is being projected onto the band, when in reality, they're just fine. Sort of like, "Well, I'm not as into the band's music anymore, so I feel like they're not into their music anymore," when it's not really true. At least that's how it seems to me.

I know what you mean, I severely miss his normal backing vocals (Fatal Tragedy, Home, WIMH, TGP, Blind Faith...). The fact that they decided to remedy this by backing tracks in James' voice adds insult to injury.

Yeah, I didn't mind him doing backup vocals. Unfortunately, I think he ended up doing it so much that it made him want to push further and further towards being a front man, when he's really not. And sure, people like Phil Collins can be a drummer and a front man at the same time, but no offense to MP, he's FAR from Phil Collins when it omes to vocal ability. And maybe he was doing it unconsciously, maybe he didn't realize that he was trying to hog the vocal spotlight more and more, but he really was, even if certain aspecs of it were enjoyable to me. Even though I liked his vocal contributions to Constant Motion and Prophets of War, and even the "Day After Day" section, I always felt like they undermined JLB's position in the band. So I can understand why he'd be happy with MP's departure.

[King Postwhore]

His back up vocals were not the problem.  Him wanting to take time off was the problem and to say that MM should try to sing back u vocals to see if he equals MP is just nonsense. 

Seriously folks there is no turning back.  The band is real happy with MM.