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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #2135 on: November 14, 2013, 08:03:28 PM »
Through My Words is awesome. One of the best on the album, although a little too short.
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« Reply #2136 on: November 14, 2013, 08:08:06 PM »
These days, i rather listen to one great DT song than an entire new album by them  :corn
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #2137 on: November 14, 2013, 08:08:27 PM »
Quote from: BlobVanDam on November 13, 2013, 10:02:04 PM
It's #2 for me, but for that reason, I always understand when people don't regard it as highly as I do. It is definitely greater than the sum of its parts, with every song written to serve its role in the album as a whole piece, rather than meant to knock your socks off as a standalone track.
And for that reason, I never listen to tracks individually. I rarely have, and can't even remember the last time I did. It's an album that needs to be listened to and appreciated as a whole. That is the double edged sword that is the concept album, I suppose.

I agree with every word of this post.  The only quibble I might have is that I think TSCO and Home work as standalone songs if played outside the album, but I don't suspect you'd have much disagreement with that. 
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #2138 on: November 14, 2013, 08:13:25 PM »
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Quote from: BlobVanDam on November 13, 2013, 10:02:04 PM
It's #2 for me, but for that reason, I always understand when people don't regard it as highly as I do. It is definitely greater than the sum of its parts, with every song written to serve its role in the album as a whole piece, rather than meant to knock your socks off as a standalone track.
And for that reason, I never listen to tracks individually. I rarely have, and can't even remember the last time I did. It's an album that needs to be listened to and appreciated as a whole. That is the double edged sword that is the concept album, I suppose.

I agree with every word of this post.  The only quibble I might have is that I think TSCO and Home work as standalone songs if played outside the album, but I don't suspect you'd have much disagreement with that. 

None at all, if you check my post a few minutes ago on the last page. Plenty of the album works great standalone, but there's also enough of the album that doesn't that I could understand detracts from the songs for some people.
Personally, I think that whole section of the album that runs together is downright incredible.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #2139 on: November 14, 2013, 08:17:25 PM »
Me too.  And to underscore the position that, like you, I view it as a "sum is greater than the parts" scenario, to this day, I have a difficult time recalling the different song names, especially in that section.
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« Reply #2140 on: November 14, 2013, 08:31:08 PM »
I find that happens when I don't skip tracks on an album, because you're just listening to it whole, and not looking at song names to skip anything, or listen to a song on its own etc.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #2141 on: November 14, 2013, 08:55:33 PM »
Quote from: BlobVanDam on November 14, 2013, 08:00:23 PM
A lot of people don't count Regression because it's just an intro to the album, and can't separate Overture 1928 from Strange Deja Vu because of the segue between them, and then TMW is basically a short bridge between that and Fatal Tragedy. I can't recall seeing anybody rank Regression or TMW highly, because they're so short and really designed to be part of the album.
While I kind of agree with that logic, at the same time, whenever I do give high praise to songs like Fatal Tragedy, I pretty much include through My Words as a part of that whole listening experience.
Same would go for Vacant and Stream of Consciousness. While SOC is good enough on its own, I rarely listen to Vacant unless it's a part of the latter.

Quote from: BlobVanDam on November 14, 2013, 08:00:23 PM
But there are enough of the shorter tracks to kick off the album that I can understand why some people don't like the album as much.

Well, quite frankly, if people hate on the album because there are no stand alone songs, and can't appreciate it for the amazing listening experience that it is, I have nothing to say to them.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #2142 on: November 14, 2013, 11:06:27 PM »
I don't even consider Through My Words a song.
It is part of Fatal Tragedy. They are the same song. I refuse to listen to them separately, since Fatal Tragedy literally never starts if it doesn't start with Through My Words.
But yeah etc. SFAM is brilliant and it's very strongly a concept album that loses something if not taken as a whole, woo.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #2143 on: November 15, 2013, 04:54:22 AM »
Quote from: Madman Shepherd on November 13, 2013, 09:24:50 PM
I also think the Dance of Eternity is pretty bad.  I mean, crazy times signatures and wailing and blah blah.  I'll take Enigma Machine over that any day.

I don't say TDOE is bad, but after three minutes it becomes kinda bland. I'm just like "guys, we all know you are masters of your craft, I'm already convinced. Can't you play something more melodic for a change?"

Enigma Machine is one of the best songs on DT12.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #2144 on: November 15, 2013, 09:47:33 AM »
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My  controversial opinion of the day: I think James' singing held back DT from becoming big.
I understand where your coming from, but in the same token how much bigger can a prog metal become in this day and age? Since they are the biggest name in the genre you could make the case that this is as good as it can possibly get.

I see what you're saying, but look at a band like Radiohead that still got huge despite make some weird, weird-ass music. I think with a non-operatic, strong frontman (no offense to JLB, but he's not that strong a frontman), I think they could have tapped a lot more people. Not that I particularly approved of MP's bashing of James, but I totally understood where he was coming from.

I have to agree with you there. JLB has never been my cup of tea. He is good in some tracks but I moreorless just tune him out.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #2145 on: November 15, 2013, 12:16:58 PM »
Quote from: Ruba on November 15, 2013, 04:54:22 AM
I don't say TDOE is bad, but after three minutes it becomes kinda bland. I'm just like "guys, we all know you are masters of your craft, I'm already convinced. Can't you play something more melodic for a change?"
But we get something beautiful and melodic right afterwards. That's what I love about the arrangmenet of having TDOE right before One Last Time.

Quote from: Ruba on November 15, 2013, 04:54:22 AM
Enigma Machine is one of the best songs on DT12.

This should not be a controversial statement. Enigma Machine is DT's best instrumental since TDOE.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #2146 on: November 15, 2013, 12:29:19 PM »
Not sure how controversial this is, but was just listening to TSCO the other day and realized that the solo in that song might be JP's best solo. I think it masterfully merges JP's shredding skills with his Gilmore-esque approach to the solo, to a level that no other solo of his does. When I was still in that DT tribute band, I was always looking forward to playing it.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #2147 on: November 15, 2013, 12:33:59 PM »
Quote from: rumborak on November 15, 2013, 12:29:19 PM
Not sure how controversial this is, but was just listening to TSCO the other day and realized that the solo in that song might be JP's best solo. I think it masterfully merges JP's shredding skills with his Gilmore-esque approach to the solo, to a level that no other solo of his does. When I was still in that DT tribute band, I was always looking forward to playing it.

Easily one of his best solos.  Like you said, it amalgamates some of the many things that make Petrucci a brilliant guitar player. 
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #2148 on: November 15, 2013, 12:35:08 PM »
It is one of his best but I just love the Razor's Edge Solo and TCOT end solo.  Emotional solos, like you pointed out, David Gilmour like, with the shredding is what I always love about his soloing.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #2149 on: November 15, 2013, 12:39:09 PM »
Quote from: rumborak on November 15, 2013, 12:29:19 PM
Not sure how controversial this is, but was just listening to TSCO the other day and realized that the solo in that song might be JP's best solo. I think it masterfully merges JP's shredding skills with his Gilmore-esque approach to the solo, to a level that no other solo of his does. When I was still in that DT tribute band, I was always looking forward to playing it.

I'd say it's one of his best solos of that type. But I personally think that in spite of having a lot of elements to it, it's still a completely different type of solo from, say, UAGM or As I Am. And I honestly can't even compare them to TSCO just because of the different styles.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #2150 on: November 15, 2013, 01:03:11 PM »
Quote from: rumborak on November 15, 2013, 12:29:19 PM
Not sure how controversial this is, but was just listening to TSCO the other day and realized that the solo in that song might be JP's best solo. I think it masterfully merges JP's shredding skills with his Gilmore-esque approach to the solo, to a level that no other solo of his does. When I was still in that DT tribute band, I was always looking forward to playing it.

It's certainly in my top 5 JP solos, so yeah, its pretty darn good!  :tup
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #2151 on: November 15, 2013, 02:10:13 PM »
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on November 15, 2013, 12:16:58 PM
This should not be a controversial statement. Enigma Machine is DT's best instrumental since TDOE.
That's kind of just saying "I like EM better than SOC" y'know :P
Which I'd contest, but.
Also I lied, EM isn't the best song on DT12, The Bigger Picture is, though still would say it's the worst "best" song on any DT album so.
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« Reply #2152 on: November 15, 2013, 02:17:10 PM »
Quote from: Parama on November 15, 2013, 02:10:13 PM
That's kind of just saying "I like EM better than SOC" y'know :P
It is better. But SOC is still awesome.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #2153 on: November 15, 2013, 02:37:33 PM »
SFAM is a terrible album, full of filler and rip-off riffs with a daft concept.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #2154 on: November 15, 2013, 03:02:25 PM »
CONTROVERSY
the story itself isn't anything special but beyond that it's a pretty damn fine album, not much filler at all I'd say
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #2155 on: November 15, 2013, 03:09:23 PM »
Quote from: sneakyblueberry on November 15, 2013, 02:37:33 PM
SFAM is a terrible album, full of filler and rip-off riffs with a daft concept.

That is just all kinds of wrong.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #2156 on: November 15, 2013, 03:46:14 PM »
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Quote from: sneakyblueberry on November 15, 2013, 02:37:33 PM
SFAM is a terrible album, full of filler and rip-off riffs with a daft concept.

That is just all kinds of wrong.

And incendiary
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #2157 on: November 15, 2013, 03:49:30 PM »
Sorry dudes. Not even trolling. It's just incredibly cheesey to me, highly derivative and bleh. Give me Awake, SDOIT, BCSL, heck even FII, anyday.
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« Reply #2158 on: November 15, 2013, 03:56:05 PM »
Quote from: sneakyblueberry on November 15, 2013, 03:49:30 PM
Sorry dudes. Not even trolling. It's just incredibly cheesey to me, highly derivative and bleh. Give me Awake, SDOIT, BCSL, heck even FII, anyday.

Time travel/past lives is cheesy but Spider-man isn't?
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #2159 on: November 15, 2013, 04:04:22 PM »
Quote from: sneakyblueberry on November 15, 2013, 03:49:30 PM
Give me Awake, SDOIT, BCSL, heck even FII, anyday.
FII is not "even FII" since it's superior to at least BCSL out of the ones you've listed
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« Reply #2160 on: November 15, 2013, 04:05:07 PM »
Quote from: Zook on November 15, 2013, 03:56:05 PM
Quote from: sneakyblueberry on November 15, 2013, 03:49:30 PM
Sorry dudes. Not even trolling. It's just incredibly cheesey to me, highly derivative and bleh. Give me Awake, SDOIT, BCSL, heck even FII, anyday.

Time travel/past lives is cheesy but Spider-man isn't?

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« Reply #2161 on: November 15, 2013, 04:07:12 PM »
Spider-Man in the window?
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« Reply #2162 on: November 15, 2013, 04:09:18 PM »
Quote from: Parama on November 15, 2013, 04:04:22 PM
Quote from: sneakyblueberry on November 15, 2013, 03:49:30 PM
Give me Awake, SDOIT, BCSL, heck even FII, anyday.
FII is not "even FII" since it's superior to at least BCSL out of the ones you've listed

Well, nah. It's easily the weakest out of the bunch there. Opinions, assholes etc.
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« Reply #2163 on: November 15, 2013, 05:02:33 PM »
Quote from: sneakyblueberry on November 15, 2013, 02:37:33 PM
SFAM is a terrible album, full of filler and rip-off riffs with a daft concept.

Alright, our love fest is over. :lol
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« Reply #2164 on: November 15, 2013, 05:10:03 PM »
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on November 15, 2013, 04:07:12 PM
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« Reply #2166 on: November 15, 2013, 05:16:28 PM »
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Quote from: TheGreatPretender on November 15, 2013, 04:07:12 PM
Spider-Man in the window?

Criss Angel in the pool?

The old man's in the music video...
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« Reply #2167 on: November 15, 2013, 06:28:14 PM »
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Quote from: sneakyblueberry on November 15, 2013, 02:37:33 PM
SFAM is a terrible album, full of filler and rip-off riffs with a daft concept.

Alright, our love fest is over. :lol

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« Reply #2168 on: November 15, 2013, 06:43:59 PM »
Quote from: rumborak on November 15, 2013, 12:29:19 PM
Not sure how controversial this is, but was just listening to TSCO the other day and realized that the solo in that song might be JP's best solo. I think it masterfully merges JP's shredding skills with his Gilmore-esque approach to the solo, to a level that no other solo of his does. When I was still in that DT tribute band, I was always looking forward to playing it.

Gotta agree with you, it's the only reason I listen to TSCO, other than the solo the song is pretty lame IMO.
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