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« Reply #1995 on: November 08, 2013, 03:29:13 PM »
Another Won is a top 20 DT song.

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« Reply #1996 on: November 08, 2013, 05:00:43 PM »
The Killing Hand is a top 10 DT song.
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« Reply #1997 on: November 08, 2013, 05:03:12 PM »
Howard Stern's controversial opinion: "Dream Theater blows"

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« Reply #1998 on: November 08, 2013, 06:13:54 PM »
ACOS, 8V and SDOIT are all top 10 DT songs (though this isn't controversial i think)
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« Reply #1999 on: November 08, 2013, 06:30:40 PM »
Howard Stern's controversial opinion: "Dream Theater blows"

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« Reply #2000 on: November 08, 2013, 09:47:36 PM »
After listening to it more and more DT12 has been getting more and more boring. Is it just me? I don't have the desire to listen to any of the songs except for Surrender to Reason and II. Live, Die, Kill anymore.  :-\

For me, DT12 has been a grower. I like it more each time I listen to it.

My semi-controversial statement (to meet the requirements of the thread, of course) will be that Illumination Theory hasn't clicked yet for me. However, it took The Count of Tuscany several months before I loved it, so I think it still has plenty of time.


Oh, another possibly controversial thing: I don't really know what it is since I know nothing about singing or recording or production, but I really don't like the way JLB's vocals sound on a lot of DT12. Sometimes it sounds somewhat like he's drowning in effects, sometimes it sounds like there's about four of him singing at once, and sometimes I just don't know what it is, I just don't like the sound. I think the best description is this:

The Bridges In the Sky chorus was awesome. I loved the vocal style he used on that ("May healing waters bury all my pain") when I first heard it, and I still do love the way that part sounds. But it feels to me like about a third of the lines on DT12 sound like the Bridges In the Sky chorus, and that seems excessive to me and takes away the impact of the use of that style. I don't know exactly how that sound is achieved, whether it's something where JLB chooses to sing like that or if it's an effect or if it's a sound achieved by the use of doubling, but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. Perhaps the most noticeable part on DT12 where something close to that sound is used in a way that I don't think makes sense is "Give more than they take" in the first verse of Surrender to Reason, which is an acoustic part and I don't believe calls at all for the BitS voice.
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« Reply #2001 on: November 09, 2013, 04:59:09 AM »
ToT is the last really good album (as a whole) they released.

I'd say Falling Into Infinity. But they have still released a huge bunch of great songs, the albums just tend to have at least one clunker.

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« Reply #2002 on: November 09, 2013, 02:10:47 PM »
I'd say Falling Into Infinity.

That's how you do the controversial thing  :biggrin:
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« Reply #2003 on: November 09, 2013, 02:15:48 PM »
But they have still released a huge bunch of great songs, the albums just tend to have at least one clunker.

I don't care much for this if there are songs that make up for it.

Example: In the Land Of Grey And Pink by Caravan... I detest Golf Girl and Love To Love You but i still think it's a masterpiece because the 3 other songs make up for it (especially Nine Feet Underground).

My point then is that you don't have to love all songs in an album to think it is great imo.
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« Reply #2004 on: November 09, 2013, 02:47:40 PM »
Awake isn't without clunkers too, so it's not that big of a deal. They're still great songs in the great scheme of things.
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« Reply #2005 on: November 09, 2013, 03:53:12 PM »
Awake isn't without clunkers too, so it's not that big of a deal. They're still great songs in the great scheme of things.
Curious, which songs do you consider clunkers.

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« Reply #2006 on: November 09, 2013, 04:29:06 PM »
Speaking of Awake and "clunkers," Awake is one of the only albums that doesn't have any clunkers for me. For me, everything post-Awake had at least one song I wasn't into (besides SDOIT).
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« Reply #2007 on: November 09, 2013, 04:30:59 PM »
Personally, i don't care much for Silent Man, LSOAD and SDV but don't think they're bad neither, just don't enjoy them like the other songs in the album.
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« Reply #2008 on: November 09, 2013, 04:48:48 PM »
If Lie isn't a clunker I don't know what is. That song is in top 5 worst imo.

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« Reply #2009 on: November 09, 2013, 04:52:58 PM »
If Lie isn't a clunker I don't know what is. That song is in top 5 worst imo.
What makes it sound so bad to you?

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« Reply #2010 on: November 09, 2013, 04:57:39 PM »
It's not that it sounds bad, it's just that it is boring and not catchy in any way for a straight-out metal song. The intro riff doesn't do much for me and the keyboard noises during the verses annoy me. The chorus is a bit of a fail for me too. It's like The Mirror but worse in every way. The Mirror is amazing.

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« Reply #2011 on: November 09, 2013, 05:25:30 PM »
Lie isn't the best on Awake or anything but it's not a bad song. *shrugs*

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« Reply #2012 on: November 09, 2013, 05:32:34 PM »
But they have still released a huge bunch of great songs, the albums just tend to have at least one clunker.

My point then is that you don't have to love all songs in an album to think it is great imo.

Of course not. I do find SDOIT great and SC is kind of on the borderline on that matter. A one weaker song is okay, but I value consistency and I might actually prefer an album with 10 very good songs to one with 5 great, 4 very good and one bad song.

Lie isn't the best on Awake or anything but it's not a bad song. *shrugs*

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« Reply #2013 on: November 09, 2013, 08:59:50 PM »
Awake has a solid half hour of clunkers imo. There is no other DT album with a continuous stretch of music I dislike as much as the run of Lie - SDV, and that even includes WDADU (which manages to space out the better tracks pretty evenly).
It is the number one (but not only) reason I rank that album near the bottom of their discography. If the album ended with The Mirror, I'd actually rank it much higher, although that would be a mighty short album for DT. :lol
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« Reply #2014 on: November 09, 2013, 09:14:01 PM »
Awake has a solid half hour of clunkers imo. There is no other DT album with a continuous stretch of music I dislike as much as the run of Lie - SDV, and that even includes WDADU (which manages to space out the better tracks pretty evenly).
It is the number one (but not only) reason I rank that album near the bottom of their discography. If the album ended with The Mirror, I'd actually rank it much higher, although that would be a mighty short album for DT. :lol

It would be short, but not too much shorter than WDADU was. The Mirror would NOT work as a closing song though. As an opening song, it'd be pretty kickass, but 6:00 already works better in that regard.

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« Reply #2015 on: November 09, 2013, 09:18:58 PM »
Awake has a solid half hour of clunkers imo. There is no other DT album with a continuous stretch of music I dislike as much as the run of Lie - SDV, and that even includes WDADU (which manages to space out the better tracks pretty evenly).
It is the number one (but not only) reason I rank that album near the bottom of their discography. If the album ended with The Mirror, I'd actually rank it much higher, although that would be a mighty short album for DT. :lol

It would be short, but not too much shorter than WDADU was. The Mirror would NOT work as a closing song though. As an opening song, it'd be pretty kickass, but 6:00 already works better in that regard.

44 minutes would be on the short side for a prog/metal album from 1994, although it wasn't really a serious hypothetical!
I agree The Mirror wouldn't make a good closer though. I think the sequencing of the album works great as it is, with the longer prog metal track, followed by the low key finale. The problem is just that I don't like the songs.
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« Reply #2016 on: November 09, 2013, 10:11:42 PM »
Curious, which songs do you consider clunkers.

Well, personally, the only song that I usually don't bother listening to at all, outside of listening to the whole album from the beginning to end, is Erotomania. I think it's DT's least good instrumental.
Space Dye-Vest has some nice moments, but for the most part, it's ruined by those annoying samples.
Again, this is all opinion, Blob thinks that half the album sucks, so I think my opinion is fairly optimistic. But personally, I'd say SFAM, TOT, SC and DT12 are more consistent than Awake, as a whole.
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« Reply #2017 on: November 09, 2013, 10:47:29 PM »
Well we can't be friends Blob if you think Scarred sucks  :tup

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« Reply #2018 on: November 09, 2013, 11:56:27 PM »
I&W and Awake are the only perfect DT albums IMO. ADTOE doesn't have any clunkers, but I don't find it as amazing as those two, and all the other albums include at least one weaker song.

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« Reply #2019 on: November 09, 2013, 11:59:06 PM »
I consider Train of Thought a perfect album.
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« Reply #2020 on: November 10, 2013, 12:32:05 AM »
I consider Train of Thought a perfect album.

Aside from the overabundance of pointless samples in Honor Thy Father, I'd say it's a pretty damn consistently awesome album.
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« Reply #2021 on: November 10, 2013, 12:33:59 AM »
ToT is a bit inconsistent but it's for the most part a lot of great music.
8vm's a bit more consistent but IWBY still exists so not quite.
ADToE has BMUBMD on it so that's also out.
SFAM has Through Her Eyes so nope.
6DOIT has the title track being an absolute mess so, nah.
I don't even need to say why the rest aren't in the running. I&W and Awake are the only two yep.

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« Reply #2022 on: November 10, 2013, 12:36:34 AM »
ToT is a bit inconsistent but it's for the most part a lot of great music.
8vm's a bit more consistent but IWBY still exists so not quite.
ADToE has BMUBMD on it so that's also out.
SFAM has Through Her Eyes so nope.
6DOIT has the title track being an absolute mess so, nah.
I don't even need to say why the rest aren't in the running. I&W and Awake are the only two yep.

Through Her Eyes is a better ballad than Lifting Shadows Off A Dream or The Silent Man, so...  ;)
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« Reply #2023 on: November 10, 2013, 12:38:51 AM »
SFAM and SDOIT are both far more consistent than Awake. Awake has the half hour of hatred dragging it down. SFAM and SDOIT don't have anything I don't like on them. IaW would be near perfect except for LTL dragging it down.
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« Reply #2024 on: November 10, 2013, 12:46:03 AM »
Through Her Eyes is a better ballad than Lifting Shadows Off A Dream or The Silent Man, so...  ;)
I love both songs :(

I used to think Scenes is perfect, but I've started to like BTL, TSCO and TDOE less and less since then. Six Degrees suffers because of the messy title-"track", which is a shame because the first disc includes some awesome songs.

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« Reply #2025 on: November 10, 2013, 12:49:04 AM »
Through Her Eyes is a better ballad than Lifting Shadows Off A Dream or The Silent Man, so...  ;)
I love both songs :(

I used to think Scenes is perfect, but I've started to like BTL, TSCO and TDOE less and less since then. Six Degrees suffers because of the messy title-"track", which is a shame because the first disc includes some awesome songs.

Why is track quoted? It's 8 tracks, 1 song.

And I don't know how an album can suffer from having their best song on it. :dunno:
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« Reply #2026 on: November 10, 2013, 01:00:15 AM »
Through Her Eyes is a better ballad than Lifting Shadows Off A Dream or The Silent Man, so...  ;)
I love both songs :(

I used to think Scenes is perfect, but I've started to like BTL, TSCO and TDOE less and less since then. Six Degrees suffers because of the messy title-"track", which is a shame because the first disc includes some awesome songs.

Why is track quoted? It's 8 tracks, 1 song.

And I don't know how an album can suffer from having their best song on it. :dunno:

Maybe he thinks it's their best song, but disc 1 one has songs better than their best song. :neverusethis:

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« Reply #2027 on: November 10, 2013, 01:02:09 AM »
Lifting Shadows is gorgeous, The Silent Man is very nice too though rather overshadowed by the rest of the album.

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« Reply #2028 on: November 10, 2013, 01:03:08 AM »
Lifting Shadows is gorgeous, The Silent Man is very nice too though rather overshadowed by the rest of the album.

Yep, they're both great. Just not as great as Through Her Eyes.
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« Reply #2029 on: November 10, 2013, 01:15:17 AM »
Through Her Eyes is an embarrassing stain on an otherwise amazing album.