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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Volk9 on May 09, 2009, 03:22:40 PM
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Like em or not, their one of the biggest mainstream bands out there today. Personally, their older stuff Pre-MTM = :metal Looking forward to their upcoming album, which is supposedly a concept album of sorts. My favorite album by them is Meteora, followed by Reanimation.
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move along people, nothing to see here :D
Nah, their old stuff was cool. I predicted the shift to rock after nu metal was no longer popular though, which made me really not respect LP at all :-\
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I listened to them years ago before I started listening to good music. But to be fair, I can probably credit them for serving as my introduction to metal in some respects.
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Same. Them, Disturbed and Limp Bizkit seem to be the trifecta of pre-real metal music. I listened the crap out of Hybrid Theory as a 12-13 year old.
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I used to be a fan of them like five or six years ago and then stopped listening to them. Now I just got back into them and they are pretty good.
And maybe I will hurt people's eyes and conscious with that but, they are the mainstream version of Pain of Salvation. Really really similar style.
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I used to be a fan of them like five or six years ago and then stopped listening to them. Now I just got back into them and they are pretty good.
And maybe I will hurt people's eyes and conscious with that but, they are the mainstream version of Pain of Salvation. Really really similar style.
I sure hope not if they're touring with Dream Theater this year. I was just about to pick up a couple of their albums, too...
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Same. Them, Disturbed and Limp Bizkit seem to be the trifecta of pre-real metal music. I listened the crap out of Hybrid Theory as a 12-13 year old.
I'd say swap out Limp Bizkit for Slipknot.
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I've never liked them, and have hated them since hearing a vocal jazz acapella high school group do "crawling on my knees" or whatever that song is in a performance. It was a terrible arrangement. I was mad because I wanted to hear vocal jazz and got Linkin Park.
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I used to be a fan of them like five or six years ago and then stopped listening to them. Now I just got back into them and they are pretty good.
And maybe I will hurt people's eyes and conscious with that but, they are the mainstream version of Pain of Salvation. Really really similar style.
I sure hope not if they're touring with Dream Theater this year. I was just about to pick up a couple of their albums, too...
Of course not... Don't be afraid Pain Of Salvation are million times more diverse, deep and interesting then Linkin Park (though I like Linkin Park but they are just not enough interesting for more listens)... Definitely try some their albums, Remedy Lane is obviously the best starting album I think, that was the way I got introduced to them... And then The Perfect Element part.1
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Same. Them, Disturbed and Limp Bizkit seem to be the trifecta of pre-real metal music. I listened the crap out of Hybrid Theory as a 12-13 year old.
This
I've never liked them, and have hated them since hearing a vocal jazz acapella high school group do "crawling on my knees" or whatever that song is in a performance. It was a terrible arrangement. I was mad because I wanted to hear vocal jazz and got Linkin Park.
That sounds pretty freakin horrible
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I used to be a fan of them like five or six years ago and then stopped listening to them. Now I just got back into them and they are pretty good.
And maybe I will hurt people's eyes and conscious with that but, they are the mainstream version of Pain of Salvation. Really really similar style.
I sure hope not if they're touring with Dream Theater this year. I was just about to pick up a couple of their albums, too...
Of course not... Don't be afraid Pain Of Salvation are million times more diverse, deep and interesting then Linkin Park (though I like Linkin Park but they are just not enough interesting for more listens)... Definitely try some their albums, Remedy Lane is obviously the best starting album I think, that was the way I got introduced to them... And then The Perfect Element part.1
Well said
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Oh, man! This reminds me of Super Dude's best post ever:
"That n00b raped my thread! :angry:"
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I'm looking forward to hearing something from their new album.
It can't be worse than MtM, right? RIGHT?!?!
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Linkin park were my introduction to 'heavy' music :P I remember hybrid theory as being the first solid album I actually grew to love (instead of random chart songs). For that I will probably always have fond memories of them even though my tastes have changed.
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Oh, man! This reminds me of Super Dude's best post ever:
"That n00b rapped my thread! :angry:"
Actually it was more along the lines of:
"That noob just raped my thread. :|"
As for samples from the new album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp5hyPzeLsM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEpqcoQrm8w&feature=related
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I'm looking forward to hearing something from their new album.
It can't be worse than MtM, right? RIGHT?!?!
Holy christ, MTM wasn't THAT bad! Surely it was disappointing but songs like Given Up, No More Sorrow, and Bleed It Out are amazing. Well, those three are really the only great ones but the other ones aren't THAT bad.
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I don't know about you, but Leave Out All The Rest made me wanna curl up in a ball and die.
Oh yeah, and apparently Linkin Park's next single was secretly debuted in the new Transformers trailer.
Edit: Not only that, but they're helping compose the score for the movie.
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I'm looking forward to hearing something from their new album.
It can't be worse than MtM, right? RIGHT?!?!
Holy christ, MTM wasn't THAT bad! Surely it was disappointing but songs like Given Up, No More Sorrow, and Bleed It Out are amazing. Well, those three are really the only great ones but the other ones aren't THAT bad.
Yes they are that bad!!
You just mentioned the only songs worth a damn in that album.
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the recent one is worse then the other two
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the recent one is worse then the other two
Talk about the shocker of the century.
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:lol
I think we've found a new Arcaeus.
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I used to be a fan of them like five or six years ago and then stopped listening to them. Now I just got back into them and they are pretty good.
And maybe I will hurt people's eyes and conscious with that but, they are the mainstream version of Pain of Salvation. Really really similar style.
I sure hope not if they're touring with Dream Theater this year. I was just about to pick up a couple of their albums, too...
Of course not... Don't be afraid Pain Of Salvation are million times more diverse, deep and interesting then Linkin Park (though I like Linkin Park but they are just not enough interesting for more listens)... Definitely try some their albums, Remedy Lane is obviously the best starting album I think, that was the way I got introduced to them... And then The Perfect Element part.1
That's reassuring then. I listened to the song Perfect Element and I loved it, so hopefully their other material will continue to impress me.
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New single coming out in five days!!! :metal
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Really? Is it me or it feels like they just have released their last album?
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I dunno what you mean, but the next one comes out either late this year or early next year, IIRC.
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New single coming out in five days!!! :metal
Really? Cool. I hope they go back to their older roots.
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I used to like Linkin Park alot. I was disappointed when I thought Reanimation was an actual sophmore album and almost wrote them off, but Meteora was an excellent follow up. I played Numb to death long before it was a single. I traded the two albums in a long time ago, and I'm not into Chester's ridiculous screaming anymore and Minutes to Midnight WAS terrible, and lastly, I don't care about the new album.
AND.
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One Step Closer is fun to play on Rock Band.
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I used to like Linkin Park alot. I was disappointed when I thought Reanimation was an actual sophmore album and almost wrote them off, but Meteora was an excellent follow up. I played Numb to death long before it was a single. I traded the two albums in a long time ago, and I'm not into Chester's ridiculous screaming anymore and Minutes to Midnight WAS terrible, and lastly, I don't care about the new album.
AND.
...and what? AND WHAT?!
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:lol I was tempted ask as well.
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So why don't we get our answer?
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I haven't really listened to Linkin Park in while, but if you wanted to listen to nu metal, just go with Slipknot, or just don't listen to nu metal. There's a lot of other, better, bands to listen to.
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When I was 13 and Hybrid Theory came out I liked them a lot. I can still stand to listen to the odd tune off that album, but it's only really for nostalgia and I really can't stand anything else they've ever done
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I like to listen to them when I'm exercising, good running music.
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I rediscovered Meteora recently. I think that's really the stronger album of the two because this "rediscovery" thing still happens to me every once in a while; I still find things in songs that I never noticed before that pique my interest or I remember why I liked a certain song to begin with.
To some extent it's true with Hybrid Theory as well, but Meteora has more interesting songs in my opinion. That said, Hybrid Theory was an incredibly strong debut; I often come back to it and wonder how it was possible start off so strongly.
Countdown to the new single: 1 day, 3 hours, and 23 minutes. :metal
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Is this gonna be like a go to iTunes and buy it single, or A Rite of Passage here it is free for 24 hours single?
I guess it'll be on YouTube within about a half hour either way.
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No idea, but I'm hoping I can buy it on iTunes.
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hybrid theory was the shit when i was like 13. The other albums were just there to me tho
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About 16 hours till the release of the new single. :metal
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It looks like the new single will be for the Transformers movie, not necisarily their next album (which will be a concept album, very cool).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Divide
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It's the first single for the new album, that's confirmed on Mike Shinoda's blog. However, they're helping to compose the Transformers score by creating various deviations of the song.
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Hybrid Theory was one of my first heavy albums and I absolutely love it. It was responsible of making me into heavier music.
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Hybrid Theory was one of my first heavy albums and I absolutely love it. It was responsible of making me into heavier music.
This. If not for Hybrid Theory and Evanescence's Fallen, I might still be listening to chart topping hip hop. :laugh:
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Hybrid Theory was one of my first heavy albums and I absolutely love it. It was responsible of making me into heavier music.
This.
Still one of my favorite albums, I know the lyrics to every song even the spoken words for Cure for the Itch.
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Hybrid Theory was one of my first heavy albums and I absolutely love it. It was responsible of making me into heavier music.
First Rock song I liked: "Higher" by Creed
First Rock album I liked/had: "The Lonely Position of Neutral" by Trust Company
First "Heavy" album I got that led me into metal, etc: "Meteora" by Linkin Park
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Two and a half hours to go!
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Chester was one hell of a singer back then. Damn, he had balls.
BALLS I SAY
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Keywords being "back in the day" though....he's past his prime, and it sure ain't age that's killing his range. :\
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Reactions to New Divide (linkinpark.com):
Well it's not Linkin Park of HT or Meteora, but it's definitely not MTM either, though it does lean slightly more towards MTM. It's pretty clear that nu metal Linkin Park is gone for good. This is much better than What I've Done though imo.
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Reactions to New Divide (linkinpark.com):
Well it's not Linkin Park of HT or Meteora, but it's definitely not MTM either, though it does lean slightly more towards MTM. It's pretty clear that nu metal Linkin Park is gone for good. This is much better than What I've Done though imo.
Ok, I just listened to the song. Im kinda having mixed reactions, because in one sense, its a nice song that although leaning more away from MTM , though maintaining the same style. On the other hand, its just such a generic Linkin Park song...seriously...I hope theres something better than this...I still have a sliver of faith...a very small sliver..
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A generic present-day Linkin Park song, yes. This doesn't even approach the old days.
I tell ya, they turned into a post-punk band. They sound a lot like the Killers if you ask me.
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Idk, sometimes I feel that they still have a big amount of potential, but then again, I think that they've gotten so caught up in the mainstream and business of music that they cant really write...idk, better songs, lol.
Sigh, I guess I'll just go listen to Meteora and enjoy that.
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I hear ya. It's hard to believe they'd give into that temptation though, considering what Shinoda said in his song Get Me Gone about doing the tracks the way they wanted them.
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Guess I'll just have to wait for the rest of the album, lol.
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I really wish it'd resemble metal a little more, not even nu metal but just plain metal would be nice. But I'm not getting my hopes up.
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I really wish it'd resemble metal a little more, not even nu metal but just plain metal would be nice. But I'm not getting my hopes up.
Haha yeah, you definitely shouldn't hope for anything that monumental.
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That's really sad, isn't it? That for Linkin Park to do anything remotely resembling metal would be nothing short of a miracle. A band who started as the greatest thing to ever happen to nu metal now will never be caught dead writing another song like those.
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That's really sad, isn't it? That for Linkin Park to do anything remotely resembling metal would be nothing short of a miracle. A band who started as the greatest thing to ever happen to nu metal now will never be caught dead writing another song like those.
Yeah but even nu metal and metal are worlds apart.
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Not really; nu metal is metal with elements of hip hop and punk thrown in.
I like to think of it like this. At the close of the 80s, there were two major divergent schools of rock music: metal and punk. Grunge was the recombination of the two genres, and post-grunge, nu metal and other grunge derivatives are the continuation of these fusion experiments. Nu metal combined both schools and brought hip hop into the mix.
Actually it's funny to think that Ice Kube essentially started nu metal when he said that rock and hip hop should converge.
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(Do you mean Ice-T?) Because he started a rap metal band in 1990, Body Count.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_Count
Oh, and I love this quote from him: "as far as I'm concerned, music is music. I don't look at it as rock, R&B, or all that kind of stuff. I just look at it as music...I do what I like and I happen to like rock 'n' roll, and I feel sorry for anybody who only listens to one form of music."
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Yes I did mean Ice-T, I dunno how I confused those. :p
And yes, that's an excellent quote, just the one I had in mind when I made that post.
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Album updates:
https://lptimes.com/news2009/july/news07072009.html
https://lptimes.com/news2009/june/news06222009.html
Chester Bennington comments in the first link that the new album is gonna emphasize electronic sounds, i.e. on the keyboards. Mike Shinoda has said that he hopes to bring rapping back on the album, and that songs will have a 'thread of consistency,' meaning it won't sound like a bunch of random songs that all sound different from each other like on MTM (as in they'll each be tied by a general 'sound' like HT and Meteora). As far as I can remember neither interview says so, but Wikipedia says the album will be released in March or April 2010.
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ohhh wow, that's pretty far. I thought it was for sooner.
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Hybrid Theory is my favorite LP album. I hope they don't make another crap fest like Minutes To Midnight.
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MTM isn't a crapfest. There's a lot of great songs
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MTM isn't a crapfest. There's a lot of great songs
I'll agree there are some good songs. I like Given Up, What I've Done, Bleed It Out, Shadow Of The Day, and No More Sorrow. MTM just doesn't have balls like Hybrid Theory or Meteora did.
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So Dream Theater has too much balls, and Linkin Park doesn't have enough. :lol
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MTM isn't a crapfest. There's a lot of great songs
I'll agree there are some good songs. I like Given Up, What I've Done, Bleed It Out, Shadow Of The Day, and No More Sorrow. MTM just doesn't have balls like Hybrid Theory or Meteora did.
Sure, it doesn't sound so fresh. It's more of a commercial product but that's pretty much what I'm expecting from that band. I don't think they will ever come up with a HT or Meteora again. Their music is still good though.
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That transformers 2 song has the same chords as What I've done. What a bunch of shit.
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Honestly I was expecting to not like MTM at all, but everything before Valentine's Day is pretty damn good.
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That transformers 2 song has the same chords as What I've done. What a bunch of shit.
O RLY? I didn't know there was any kind of connection between that movie and the band.
Honestly I was expecting to not like MTM at all, but everything before Valentine's Day is pretty damn good.
Valentine's Day lyrics are really bad but the music is great.
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You must be joking. They did the main theme for that movie.
And it sucks.
MTM was horrible except for 2-3 songs.
Meteora was pretty good. 3/5 maybe
Hybrid theory is 5/5
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I don't really care for these guys. They're not that good at all and all their songs sound the same.
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Yeah, I really dont like New Divide at all; just sounds liek MTM 2.
But Meteora is my fave LP album, with Hybrid Theory right behind it (I also like Reanimation)
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Okay, new discussion topic: Rank the albums. I'm gonna include the Hybrid Theory EP, if only because I feel it encompasses a unique sound that allows it to be a separate entity in the LP discography.
1. Meteora - I thought this album was the most "interesting," and very experimental compared to HT's moshfest.
2. Hybrid Theory EP - Same as Meteora, this album strikes me as the most "different" of the early era.
3. Hybrid Theory - Let's face it; most of us wouldn't be fans of LP if it weren't for this album. The songs are very solid, well-constructed, and in many cases quite catchy.
4. Reanimation - This is definitely the less desirable half. The remixes are cool, but honestly, they could never have stood alone without the release of HT.
5. Minutes to Midnight - It's pretty bad, but there are a couple of nice songs, like What I've Done and No More Sorrow.
6. Collision Course - The worst thing LP could ever have done was mash-ups with Jay-Z, simple as that. That's not a comment about either artist; they just don't jive well.
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My ranking:
1. Meteora
2. Hybrid Theory
3. Hybrid Theory EP
4. Reanimation
5. Minutes To Midnight
6. Collision Course
Well, the reason Meteora is over Hybrid Theory is that Meteora is a BIT more varied imo.
They're both really awesome, but Meteora has 2 of my favorite LP tracks. (Breaking the habit and figure 09)
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I was really into these guys when I was in the 6th grade, but then I started to listen to metal.
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They're the only band that I started listening to in middle school whose music I still seek out and buy.
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Just listened to Meteora for the first time in several months while driving :metal Still as energetic and awesome as I remember
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THE CATALYST.
https://linkinpark.com/message
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I was obsessed with LP when I was in sixth and seventh grade. I still like them.
ANDIMABOUTTOBREAK
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Used to love these guys. I don't really listen to them anymore, but Hybrid Theory's still fun
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Back when I was in 7th-9th grade I remember being a hardcore LP fan and listened to Meteora/Hybrid Theory almost every day. Then Minutes to Midnight hit the stores and I rocked out with "No More Sorrow" and "Given Up", but then I heard Valentine's Day and In Pieces and I was dissappointed. First time a band I liked dissappointed me. I started to like it less and less as time went by and I got into real metal (I still dig one song of them, however... "Easier to Run"), and I started to dislike them when "New Divide" came out. I was like "Really? Two years and the only thing that they could pull off was "What I've Done, Part II"? Last thing I heard from them was "Not Alone" which was a really good ballad and I actually liked it. I know that now they just won't come back to their HT-era, but I don't care much from them anymore :lol
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Mine is a similar story. From the beginning of 7th till halfway through 9th grade LP was the band, until I discovered Sevendust, which was a band I was obsessed with like no band before it or since (seriously that shit was unhealthy). I eventually stopped listening to Sevendust and in 11th grade was getting totally stoked about Minutes to Midnight until I heard it and it was downright awful. I literally hated every single track, and my hatred of the album increased with every new song. Just like you, Linkin Park was the first band that I ever felt let me down. And as with you, my favorite song has been and always will be Easier to Run. I've got some hope that the new album will at least be better than Minutes to Midnight, but honestly I wish they'd at least get back to that pseudo-experimental metal thing they were trying with Meteora; it was halfway between Hybrid Theory and Minutes to Midnight: the perfect balance of old and new sounds.
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THE CATALYST.
https://linkinpark.com/message
Um... :\
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Look for the missing letters in the poem. The spell out "The Catalyst," which is either the name of the new album or the new single.
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Well yeah, my post was more in a bummed out way as I was expecting a song.
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Mine is a similar story. From the beginning of 7th till halfway through 9th grade LP was the band, until I discovered Sevendust, which was a band I was obsessed with like no band before it or since (seriously that shit was unhealthy). I eventually stopped listening to Sevendust and in 11th grade was getting totally stoked about Minutes to Midnight until I heard it and it was downright awful. I literally hated every single track, and my hatred of the album increased with every new song. Just like you, Linkin Park was the first band that I ever felt let me down. And as with you, my favorite song has been and always will be Easier to Run. I've got some hope that the new album will at least be better than Minutes to Midnight, but honestly I wish they'd at least get back to that pseudo-experimental metal thing they were trying with Meteora; it was halfway between Hybrid Theory and Minutes to Midnight: the perfect balance of old and new sounds.
This exactly.
Meteora is my favorite LP album, and Hybrid Theory is also pretty awesome. But MTM...ugh. Ever since I heard New Divide, I lost a little hope, since it sounds like MTM2, which I definately do not want. I maintain a sliver of hope for the other songs though.
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A new message was just put up on the website. Whatever The Catalyst is, be it the new album or the new single, we should expect it Aug. 2.
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A Thousand Suns Cover art:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9e/LinkinParkATSCover.jpg)
Wow. Sure it took a lot of effort to make that cover.
It looks like the profile of a guy doing some SHOOP DA WHOOP :lol
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Jesus Tapdancing Christ, another Linkin Park album?
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I'm 12 and wtf is that?!
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Linkin Park's new song = :facepalm:
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I've not given them a really fair listen, but to me they just seem like cookie cutter "teen angst" alternative shit.
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wow, I wonder if they're aware how much they suck these days. I like Hybrid Theory, and not just for nostalgia, but jesus christ.
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Yeah, I have to be honest, not including Lady Gaga, this may be some of the worst music I've ever heard, period. Meteora was amazing. I don't know how they went from that...to this.
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link???
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTtOVa1DZJ8
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Oh wow...if you think the single is bad, wait till you hear the remix they chose to feature on the album...
https://www.myspace.com/linkinpark
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WtfamIwatching/
I'm also lol'ing how Medal Of Honor is being all modern now just to blatantly try to follow Call of Duty.
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Do you also lol at all the generic brands of cereal out there?
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Yeah, I have to be honest, not including Lady Gaga, this may be some of the worst music I've ever heard, period. Meteora was amazing. I don't know how they went from that...to this.
That seems a bit harsh...I mean the music is pretty bad in a bland sense but it's far from the worst music I've ever heard.
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Alright, it's better than Minutes to Midnights. But by a very close margin.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTtOVa1DZJ8
Listening to this makes me want to kill babies.
Wtf happened to them? Hybrid Theory was pure awesome.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTtOVa1DZJ8
Listening to this makes me want to kill babies.
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Hybrid Theory is a masterpiece, Meteora is good stuff, then it all failed with Midnight.
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Which is ironic because according to them, they did those first two albums so that they could get to the point where they could write this shit.
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Well we'll see in the next album.
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MtM was about half good and half bad. I'm really hoping this single is part of the next album's bad.
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I think it could be a decent song if it wasn't for THOSE FUCKING DISCO ELECTRONIC SOUNDS AND CHILDISH BEATS. Really, :facepalm:.
I hope this is one of the worst songs of the album, does anyone know if they already released the tracklist?
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I hope this is one of the worst songs of the album, does anyone know if they already released the tracklist?
Yes they have.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTtOVa1DZJ8
Listening to this makes me want to kill babies.
Wtf happened to them? Hybrid Theory was pure awesome.
They sold out? *shrugs*
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I hope this is one of the worst songs of the album
I hope it's one of the best track so I can lol.
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I hope this is one of the worst songs of the album
I hope it's one of the best track so I can lol.
Wait, that sounds like a better idea. Let this one be the best track. For teh lulz.
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Ew, no thanks
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Some of us actually want LP to write a good album. Although indications so far are disappointing.
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Some of us actually want LP to write a good album. Although indications so far are disappointing.
Yeah, I wouldn't count on it.
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I don't know why almost everybody hates Minutes To Midnight here I think it may be my favorite album from them because at least there is some variety and I can recall some nice specific moments for every song from that album when I just look through the tracklist and No More Sorrow is amazing... I listen to it maybe two times a year but it's always enjoyable, first two albums are also good but the songs on those albums sound simillar and there are very few where I can recall something speciffic for them when I see their title... LP is far from being amazing band in my list but they are good for casual listen...
So I can't think of any other good reason why to hate MTM that much as everybody here does than it's such a cool thing to hate
And BTW "The Catalyst"... I don't know I don't have anything against it but I also haven't found one single second that would be at least a bit interesting or enjoyable it's completely empty
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And BTW "The Catalyst"... I don't know I don't have anything against it but I also haven't found one single second that would be at least a bit interesting or enjoyable it's completely empty
Those are my feelings as well. I'm pretty open minded about music, but I have one rule: Music shouldn't be boring. This song brings 'boring' to a whole new level.
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1) A THOUSAND SUNS
Whenever we finish an album, it's usually coupled with a block of text meant to describe it. The record company pays a “reputable” writer to craft their most exciting description of the music, in the hopes that it will help convince you to like it. But it seems to us that words usually don't do a great job of defining the sound of an album, so we thought we’d try something different and just tell you, directly from us, what was on our minds as we set out to make our new album, A Thousand Suns. We’ll leave the rest up to you.
Before you hear the music, we wanted you to know that this album was put together to be enjoyed as that: an album. We’re aware that many people are accustomed to small, single-song servings. In spite of that (or maybe because of it), we mean for this album to take you on a journey. If you decide to listen to the album in pieces, that’s fine; we just wanted to let you know there’s a part of the experience that only works when you listen to A Thousand Suns from beginning to end.
Listening to some of our favorite albums, it’s easy to forget that there was a moment in time, before their release, when they were just a crazy idea to an artist. We tried to keep that moment in mind as we were making this record. It provided us with the inspiration to take chances and not worry if at first something we tried was different or weird.
If you are already familiar with our band, you may notice a difference in the sound of this one. Part of it is because we love to try new things, and part of it is because there has been a sound that we've been waiting for in modern alternative music. We worked with Rick Rubin again on this record (he co-produced our last record) because he understood our vision of trying to capture this new sound.
We hope you enjoy the music and will come talk to us at www.linkinpark.com.
Brad, Chester, Dave, Joe, Mike, and Rob
PS: The people who work hard to promote our band wanted us to add a bunch of stats right here that are meant to impress you. We didn’t like that idea but, as a compromise, we agreed that we’d provide this link in case you want any of this information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linkin_Park. We said that we’re pretty sure you’ve heard of Wikipedia but they didn’t believe us.
2) A THOUSAND SUNS
We were not making an album.
For months, we'd been destroying and rebuilding our band. The experiments that resulted filled the studio hard drive with diverse, abstract sounds. Amorphous echoes, cacophonous samples, and handmade staccato merged into wandering, elusive melody. Each track felt like a hallucination.
We didn't know if any of those unorthodox ideas could be incorporated into a traditional album, but we knew we didn't want our next album to be predictable. Sitting together in the same studio where we made our first album, all six of us voiced a commitment to going out on a limb, to making something truly daring. We asked ourselves: were we all earnestly willing, more than ever before, to abandon the precepts of commercial ambition in pursuit of what we believe to be honest art?
The inclination to begin writing conventional songs for a conventional album came and went. The temptation to adjust our creative vision to fulfill expectations beyond our studio walls yielded to the audacious ambition of what he hoped to achieve as a band. The two years of making A Thousand Suns marked our exhilarating, surrealistic, and often challenging journey into the creative unknown. (SD note: This paragraph made me lol because I distinctly remember watching a YouTube video in which LP was tweaking a song, and the phrases that were coming up repeatedly were, "Rubin wants this," or "Rubin wants that.")
On the eve of its completion, this body of work, assembled through unconscious inspiration and unmitigated exertion, has revealed to us notions both stirring and surprising. The album's personified imagery is neither dogma nor political premeditation. The emergent themes and metaphors illuminate a uniquely human story.
A Thousand Suns grapples with the personal cycle of pride, destruction, and regret. In life, like in dreams, this sequence is not always linear. And, sometimes, true remorse penetrates the devastating cycle. The hope, of course, springs from the notion that the possibility of change is born in our most harrowing moments.
Enjoy the music.
Linkin Park
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Blah blah blah.
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Yeah, sounds like a lot of talk for what will probably be pretty similar to their last album.
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I would like to believe they're not bullshitting, but they get Rick fucking Rubin and then release the shitfest that is The Catalyst. :facepalm: I don't know, the first song released from an album usually suck. I'll give the new album an open minded listen just in case they actually do want to try something new.
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Linkin Park...srs business?
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I recently found out that their first two albums sold 24 and 16 million copies worldwide. That seems weird to me. I liked those albums quite a bit when I was younger, but I really didn't think they had done that well.
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So, Linkin Park's getting all Incident-y on our asses :rollin.
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Minutes to Midnight is just junk. I can't believe they even tried exploring other musical styles. It just doesn't work for them.
Hybrid Theory is a masterpiece, though. I only count one song that really doesn't stand out on the album, and that is With You. Points of Authority reaches best song.
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I think this song is pretty good. I only have Meteora by them, but I really liked that album.
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Meteora was an amazing album. But this new single is a farcry to their previous work.
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Small Bump.
So, listening to "A Thousand Suns" for the first time now, and my reaction was pretty much: :omg:
If someone had showed me this 7 years ago when i was heavily into Meteora+Hybrid Theory, i wouldn't have thought at all that it was LP.
I don't really like the new style, but i do appreciate them for moving on and doing what they want. :P
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But the style isn't really your thing.. OK. How about songs? Are there any actual good tunes on it?
From your description it sounds like commercial suicide for LP.
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Listened to the album one time, and the only song that stood out for me was "Blackout".
Not exceptional by PT-standards, but a cool song.
Apart from it, the album overall isn't really heavy, it actually makes Minutes to Midnight come off as a heavy-album in comparison. :biggrin:
But it will probably grow a bit if i listen some more times, but my first reaction was that there isn't really a lot of guitars on it.
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I'll say this much: I hated Minutes to Midnight when it came out and for a couple years following, but now it's begun to grow on me. I've heard a couple of songs from the new album plus the Catalyst, and the latter song aside, it has promise.
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Wretches & Kings sounds pretty cool, just listened to it.
I'm not the biggest LP fan, but I really liked the rap-metal style on the first two albums when I was, practically, a little kid. Nowadays I regained some appreciation for it, some of their old stuff just rocks.
Didn't like MTM that much, but this new album sounds a hell of a lot more interesting than MTM.
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Wretches and Kings sounds so Reanimation-ish it's ridiculous. Will listen to the album just for the sake of pleasing (Or displeasing) the inner 13-year old me.
EDIT: Listening to the album IRT
[SPOILER ALERT]:
First two tracks were somewhat WTF, but they were cool.
2EDIT:
Burning in the Skies: Oh look, it's What I've Done Part III.
3EDIT:
When they come for me: Linkin Park does Rattamahatta w/Rap and without Growls or distorted guitars.
4EDIT:
Robot Boy: Linkin Park does Backstreet Boys.
Jornada Del Muerto: Linkin Park hace voces entrecortadas por más o menos un minuto y medio con un fondo electrónico que casi parece de disco. Meh.
Waiting for (In) the End: Linkin Park delivers a little late their submission for the South Africa 2010 World Cup Anthem Contest.
But seriously, it's a good song. Poppy, but good. Probably an upcoming single.
5EDIT:
Blackout: This is the time that I realize it took Linkin Park 9 tracks to get Chester screaming. This song is weird. Mike sings and Chester raps in some parts of the song. There are too much keyboards for me and it sucks a lot in the beginning. Another probable single.
Wretches and Kings: Reanimation. That is all.
6EDIT:
Wisdom, Justice and Love: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US. Also seems that they liked the Transformers voices.
Iridescent: Oh look, it's Leave out all the Rest Part II.
Fallout: OK CAN YOU STOP THE ELECTRIC VOICES YOU DAFT PUNK WANNABES THEY ARE GETTING FUCKING ANNOYING
The Catalyst: This seems to be the main song of the whole concept album, the song that the whole album directs to, the main theme. And it sucks. I still think it would be good if it wasn't for all that electronic fodder and if it had more rockish tunes and SOME REAL DRUMS. By the way I think this album is about some guys starting a revolution, the leader has a depression, he gets better, and starts a mutiny. He gets killed in it or something but they win.
The Messenger: Linkin Park does a ballad that sounds like Theory of a Deadman or something. I know this would eventually happen. To be honest it doesn't sound bad, but please. I mean, please. You made a whole album with innovative stuff and end it with... This?
Well that's pretty much it. It was almost exactly what I expected it to be. Don't hate it, don't like it that much. It exists, and by the end of the Messenger I realize I just don't give a fuck. Innovative, sure, but... Well... Meh. Meh it's the exact expression of how I feel about this album.
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I recently found out that their first two albums sold 24 and 16 million copies worldwide. That seems weird to me. I liked those albums quite a bit when I was younger, but I really didn't think they had done that well.
Hybrid Theory is the second best selling album of the past decade, it's also a masterpiece.
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I actually like this album, i do dig the electronic vibe, definitely a better album than MtM was.
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Definately appreciate the production work. It's not as addictive as early LP, but this album definately doesn't suck. Minutes to Midnight, that sucked.
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Wow, it really is meh. Granted I've only listened to it once of course, and I'm not saying it's bad. It's just meh, as LCA said.
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I still havent gotten a chance to listen to it...
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It's definitely an interesting album, and certainly creative. The Catalyst is definitely one of the weaker tracks.
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Just wanted to say that Dont Stay is an awesome song :metal
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=145915
Myspace full album stream: https://www.myspace.com/linkinpark/music/albums/a-thousand-suns-16586225
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I think Linkin Park may be a little too obsessed with revolutions and fight the power and shit. From The Inside video is about a riot, Shadow of the Day video is about a riot, their live DVD is called Road to Revolution and they even made AN ENTIRE ABLUM OUT OF THAT (This last one), not to mention the Catalyst video is also about a riot.
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I think Linkin Park may be a little too obsessed with revolutions and fight the power and shit. From The Inside video is about a riot, Shadow of the Day video is about a riot, their live DVD is called Road to Revolution and they even made AN ENTIRE ABLUM OUT OF THAT (This last one), not to mention the Catalyst video is also about people revolting.
bro u dont get it cuz da goverment lies to u.
u gotta fite da systsem bro
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The new album is about their animosity towards their record company.
No, really.
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They should reserve that for bands bands that can't actually afford to make a house out of solid gold.
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Grabbed a copy of A Thousand Suns last week. Though it's not the old alternative/nu metal sound from their Hybrid Theory/Meteora days (yeah, I want their sound back), but it is good as an industrial rock album. I'm impressed so far with tracks like Blackout and Wretches and Kings.
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As I've been posting in the thread specifically about the new album, I absolutely love it. Easily the most creative, experimental and mature thing they've done. I'm not going to repeat myself but check out that thread for my more detailed comments.
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Forget what I said earlier. While as a whole I still enjoy some HT and Meteora songs much more than certain songs on ATS, this album is much more of a pleasure to listen to as a whole than any of its predecessors.
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Been listening to Reanimation a bit recently. The remix of With You is definately one of the highlights of the album imo.
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After a crapload of listens, I came to the conclusion that I love the new album. I loved it at first, but it's grown on me even more. I love the way they changed, the rap metal style would've gotten old by now. The end of Waiting For The End is one of the best things they've ever done imo. And I don't get the hate for The Catalyst here, that song is awesome.
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The Catalyst is a very good song, though it's not one of my favourites on the album.
Waiting for the End, on the other hand, is friggin' amazing.
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It's hard for me to *hate* any songs on the new album. The only one I tend to not like is Iridescent. However the album is so brilliant, because it's not a singles album; it's a single, cohesive piece, much like DSotM.
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Yeah, I gotta say I like the album a lot! Very creative, very diverse, and it HAS to be listened front to back which makes it even better.
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I actually liked the direction of Minutes to Midnight and hoped they would move in that direction, however I also like the sound they had on Hybrid Theory. I like LP but can only listen to an album here and there.
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The only one I tend to not like is Iridescent.
Funny, that's one of my favourites. Lovely piano chords and nice melodies.
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Personally my ranking is as follows:
1. When They Come For Me
2. Waiting for the End
3. Blackout
4. Burning in the Skies
5. Wretches and Kings
6. Robot Boy
7. The Catalyst
8. The Messenger
9. Iridescent
Also as a corollary, the first two interludes and Fallout are awesome. Fallout especially does a lot to make this album flow.
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Waiting for (In) the End: Linkin Park delivers a little late their submission for the South Africa 2010 World Cup Anthem Contest.
But seriously, it's a good song. Poppy, but good. Probably an upcoming single.
I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qF_qbaWt3Q)
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Well...yeah. Linkin Park announced it would be the next single before the album came out, like end of August/early September.
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Linkin Park is stepping into the studio once more, hopefully for a release next year:
https://www.lpassociation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33464
(I've made two posts in the thread :biggrin:)
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New LP next year would be pretty awesome. Let's see if it happens.
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Cool :tup
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True, true. I hunger for more LP. :caffeine:
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So Linkin Park has unofficially announced their fifth album in Kerrang!, which they've been working on for about two months. They say it'll be released soon, but I'd expect a late 2012/early 2013 release.
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Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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If they keep in the direction that they went with A Thousands Suns, it should be good!!
JUST STAY AWAY FROM MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT LP!!! STAY THE FUCK AWAY!!!
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Sweet, I'm excited to see where they go next!
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I think it might be different from A Thousand Suns cause of all the Meteora/Hybrid Theory fanbois bitching about how they should return to their old sound...
:sadpanda: I liked A Thousand Suns
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Actually not:
https://www.nme.com/news/linkin-park/57334
And even so I don't think they would. The whole point to Linkin Park is defying a label, and a little-known piece of history about the band is that at one time Meteora sounded not at all unlike how MtM would turn out. Unfortunately Warner Bros. told them they couldn't do that and they had to start over from scratch (which is part of why they had their lawsuit with the label a couple of years later).
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That's reassuring then
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Well hello necro.
Anyway, just thought you'd all like to know they're releasing their first single off the new album on the 16th. It's called Burn it Down.
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Ooooooh, I wonder what direction they're going to take on the new album. I still love A Thousand Suns.
Although I won't be judging too much on the single, as I think the first single from ATS is one of the weaker songs on the album.
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New album will be called Living Things. https://burnitdown.linkinpark.com/ (https://burnitdown.linkinpark.com/)
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Sounds interesting.
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Goddamn......seems like A Thousand Suns was just released a few months ago and already they're forking out a new one!
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Weird...I feel the same way. I love ATS, and I'm not sure I'm ready for something new.
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I'm definitely ready for it. I'm really interested in the direction they're taking with this album, based on Shinoda's thoughts:
In the early part of our career, we were inexperienced. We made decisions on all fronts that some of us regret (some times a little, some times a lot). And some decisions (like my fire-engine red hair back in the day) were things that I don’t really regret, but I simply wouldn’t do today. All those things spun together to create a complicated uneasiness about the past that the band wasn’t able to come to terms with for a while.
Luckily, I wasn’t the only one who felt that way. Over the course of the last year, the subject kept popping up, and we talked about how to tastefully bridge the gap between all the musical places we’ve been, to marry together all the ideas we’ve accumulated about how to make a song. And as LIVING THINGS began taking shape, the most powerful shift I saw take place was the acceptance and eagerness to use all the tools in the toolbox, not just some. Everything at once, together.
Some people have already compared our new album to the early ones. I suppose it depends on how you want to make that comparison (by the way, it’s certainly not about guitars). For me, it’s all about getting back to the real “hybrid theory” — not the album with that name, but the idea that the six guys in our band have drastically different tastes in music, and the blending of all those sounds into one is exactly what we built our band upon.
In other Linkin Park news, their official website is now streaming the full single for those who are interested, the release date for the album June 26th, and the cover art is here:
(https://www.lpassociation.com/upload/images/041512-130026_LIVINGTHINGS.jpg)
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Sounds like it's going to be more diverse... Might just check this one out.
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And now, a tracklisting:
01 LOST IN THE ECHO
02 IN MY REMAINS
03 BURN IT DOWN
04 LIES GREED MISERY
05 I'LL BE GONE
06 CASTLE OF GLASS
07 VICTIMIZED
08 ROADS UNTRAVELED
09 SKIN TO BONE
10 UNTIL IT BREAKS
11 TINFOIL
12 POWERLESS
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I really like Burning it down and now I'm really looking forward to Living Things. (didn't really care for ATS)
Also I am so very happy that Incubus is touring with them. Those are two bands I really wanted to see, but didn't have the money to see them separately, so having them tour together is fantastic.
and I really like that album art too.
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Sounds really exciting, I'm definitely pumped!! The album cover is BADASS.
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OK the single is not bad.
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OK the single is not bad.
It's unfortunately not amazing either.
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Well it's Linkin Park.
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I kinda like it. Although I don't tend to like their singles that much anyway, so I will optimistically predict that this will be the worst song on the album.
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I kinda like it. Although I don't tend to like their singles that much anyway, so I will optimistically predict that this will be the worst song on the album.
Yeah that's my thought too. Well maybe not worst but that there will be other ones that will be the better ones.
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Wow, I liked that a lot more than I thought I would. I don't listen to LP anymore speaking in newer terms; I absolutely can't stand anything past Meteora, but before that I think they were very, very good. I love almost every song they've released till Meteora and still listen to them on occasion. That said, I didn't expect anything from this new song (especially since their blow-your-brains-out-boring singles are one of the reasons why I can't stand them now), let alone the album; but now that I've heard this and while I didn't love it, I definitely had a slight attraction to it, I'm actually anticipating Living Things to not be complete shit. Here's hoping its a return to their roots; while I know that hope is already dead in the water, just a bit of those roots finding their way into the music would be nice. I really can't stand the poppy, constantly-soaring vocals and entirely new direction they've taken since Meteora, so maybe this will be a 'best of both worlds' kind of thing for me.
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I don't understand the love for the "old sound." Sure, it was cool, but I think they've grown and that's what we should want from any band, for them to grow and develop a sound that makes them unique.
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Except to my ears, they haven't grown at all; they've regressed into a monotonous, shallower sound than what they produced on Meteora or even Hybrid Theory. They were unique in their sound on those albums; the newer albums is what made me forget them and blend them in with the rest of the radio-heavy, pop-infused hip-hop/rock shit. I thought they had a very specific, original sound to them pre-Midnight; after that they became flat out bland, nothing stood out to me as inspired.
Different yolks for different blokes, though. I simply don't have any connection with the new music at all, whereas I felt emotion and found hooks and grooves in the older music. There's a few tracks here and there that I think are alright from anything post-Meteora, but it's few and far between. I suppose there's just something that clicked with them at one point after Meteora and that shift just didn't click with me. 'Hate' or 'dislike' are the wrong terms I suppose (though a few singles definitely deserve them), it's probably more accurate to say I merely can't relate; as I said, I just don't connect with the music they're making now, it isn't necessarily that I think the music itself is bad, but it's definitely not what I want from LP.
That said, this new song and hopefully the new album is closer to what I'd expect from a band like them to 'grow' and 'evolve' while still keeping what made them 'them' in the first place. It's great to move on and progress, but it's just as important to remember where you came from and find a balance between the two; at least that's what I think is best. But if you didn't like the old stuff to begin with, I suppose I may as well be talking to a wall.
A sexy wall. :police:
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Sure, I felt the same way as you when MtM came out, it was actually A Thousand Suns that changed my mind. They may sound similar to other acts on sort of a superficial level, but I feel like it's the same as with the Beatles. The Beatles never played an original style of music in their entire career together; what they did was take genres that were in style and improved upon them. They didn't "invent" folk or pyschedelia, but they did pump all sorts of new life into both. That's what I feel Linkin Park has been doing with electronic, Western-style bhangra, etc.
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Sure, I felt the same way as you when MtM came out, it was actually A Thousand Suns that changed my mind.
This. Very much actully.
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The old sound is so lame. :lol Don't get me wrong, I've grown up with Meteora and Hybrid Theory and I love them for nostalgic reasons. But if LP had still made albums like that, being in their 30's and Chester having red, spiky hair.. that would be so hilarious.
Personally I like Minutes to Midnight. I get the complaints people had, and I'm not the biggest fan of the slower songs like "Shadow of the Day" or "Leave Out All the Rest", but the rest of the album is really good IMO. "The Little Things You Give Away" is quite possibly one of my favorite LP-songs, it's easily a top3 song by them, and maybe even my favorite. "Given Up", "Bleed it Out" and "No More Sorrow" are all great songs that have a bit of a touch from the first two albums. "Valentine's Day" is another great song, and the rest is mixed between good/great.
A Thousand Suns is pretty interesting. I think it was a cohesive album, and I enjoyed it quite a lot. With that said, I don't really remember any of the songs except for "Burning in the Skies" and "Blackout", but I should probably listen to the album again soon. All in all I enjoyed it.
I think it's easy to praise Hybrid Theory and Meteora because of how good they were at the time. Many of us (not only on this forum) grew up with them, and I have fond memories of going through school, being 13-15 and listening to Linkin Park pretty much every day. The style they had back then was just not something they could move forward. If they had made another or two more albums in the same style, it would have gotten so repetitive. I think Hybrid Theory and Meteora has their charm because they were special, and more albums in the same style would have ruined that. And I'm really happy that LP could move forward as a band. :)
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Except to my ears, they haven't grown at all; they've regressed into a monotonous, shallower sound than what they produced on Meteora or even Hybrid Theory. They were unique in their sound on those albums; the newer albums is what made me forget them and blend them in with the rest of the radio-heavy, pop-infused hip-hop/rock shit. I thought they had a very specific, original sound to them pre-Midnight; after that they became flat out bland, nothing stood out to me as inspired.
Different yolks for different blokes, though. I simply don't have any connection with the new music at all, whereas I felt emotion and found hooks and grooves in the older music. There's a few tracks here and there that I think are alright from anything post-Meteora, but it's few and far between. I suppose there's just something that clicked with them at one point after Meteora and that shift just didn't click with me. 'Hate' or 'dislike' are the wrong terms I suppose (though a few singles definitely deserve them), it's probably more accurate to say I merely can't relate; as I said, I just don't connect with the music they're making now, it isn't necessarily that I think the music itself is bad, but it's definitely not what I want from LP.
That said, this new song and hopefully the new album is closer to what I'd expect from a band like them to 'grow' and 'evolve' while still keeping what made them 'them' in the first place. It's great to move on and progress, but it's just as important to remember where you came from and find a balance between the two; at least that's what I think is best. But if you didn't like the old stuff to begin with, I suppose I may as well be talking to a wall.
A sexy wall. :police:
Are you basing your comments off Minutes to Midnight, or have you given A Thousand Suns a proper listen as well? Because whether you would like it or not, ATS is easily the most intricate and intellectual album they've done.
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And also a very good album, which MtM isn't.
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Personally I like Minutes to Midnight. I get the complaints people had, and I'm not the biggest fan of the slower songs like "Shadow of the Day" or "Leave Out All the Rest", but the rest of the album is really good IMO. "The Little Things You Give Away" is quite possibly one of my favorite LP-songs, it's easily a top3 song by them, and maybe even my favorite. "Given Up", "Bleed it Out" and "No More Sorrow" are all great songs that have a bit of a touch from the first two albums. "Valentine's Day" is another great song, and the rest is mixed between good/great.
I think it's easy to praise Hybrid Theory and Meteora because of how good they were at the time. Many of us (not only on this forum) grew up with them, and I have fond memories of going through school, being 13-15 and listening to Linkin Park pretty much every day. The style they had back then was just not something they could move forward. If they had made another or two more albums in the same style, it would have gotten so repetitive. I think Hybrid Theory and Meteora has their charm because they were special, and more albums in the same style would have ruined that. And I'm really happy that LP could move forward as a band. :)
Agreed. I don't like those two songs off Minutes To Midnight but No More Sorrow, Bleed It Out, Given Up are not far off of the songs from the first two albums and the rest of the songs are all pretty good.
Hybrid Theory and Meteora were two of my earliest favourite albums (I think Meteora might be the first album I bought myself) and I still think they are both great albums with hardly a weak song between them, but even if Linkin Park was making music of exactly the same style now I doubt I'd still be listening to it as much since my tastes in music are a bit different. I definitely don't think their old style was lame, but I do think it is better for them that they changed. I don't really like the style they moved into with A Thousand Suns but I'm kind of glad they did something else. Whether the new song is a bit closer to their older sound than ATS or not, it still doesn't really sound like it's for me. If the rest of the album sounds drastically different I might get it but if not I'm content to leave my Linkin Park collection as just the great, nostalgia-inducing first two albums and the pretty good Minutes To Midnight.
I was inspired to Hybrid Theory and Meteora (which I'm on right now) after seeing all the Linkin Park here and on other forums, something I haven't done in ages.
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I gave A Thousand Suns a listen, and while a few songs were ok-good, most of it was not that good to me at all.
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I wonder how much is nostalgia with LP. If I heard Hybrid Theory or Meteora for the first time today (not knowing the band before) I'm not sure if I would love them. But now I have such warm feelings towards the albums that I will always like them, even if my taste changes.
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I wonder how much is nostalgia with LP. If I heard Hybrid Theory or Meteora for the first time today (not knowing the band before) I'm not sure if I would love them. But now I have such warm feelings towards the albums that I will always like them, even if my taste changes.
I'm wondering the same thing listening to them. I have a hard time believing that I wouldn't at least quite like them if I heard them for the first time today, although I definitely can't see me rating them as one of my favourites. But the same thing is probably true for a lot of music people like that they liked a long time ago - it's much easier to just recapture appreciation you already had for something when you were more receptive to it than to really appreciate something brand new.
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The old sound is so lame. :lol Don't get me wrong, I've grown up with Meteora and Hybrid Theory and I love them for nostalgic reasons. But if LP had still made albums like that, being in their 30's and Chester having red, spiky hair.. that would be so hilarious.
Personally I like Minutes to Midnight. I get the complaints people had, and I'm not the biggest fan of the slower songs like "Shadow of the Day" or "Leave Out All the Rest", but the rest of the album is really good IMO. "The Little Things You Give Away" is quite possibly one of my favorite LP-songs, it's easily a top3 song by them, and maybe even my favorite. "Given Up", "Bleed it Out" and "No More Sorrow" are all great songs that have a bit of a touch from the first two albums. "Valentine's Day" is another great song, and the rest is mixed between good/great.
A Thousand Suns is pretty interesting. I think it was a cohesive album, and I enjoyed it quite a lot. With that said, I don't really remember any of the songs except for "Burning in the Skies" and "Blackout", but I should probably listen to the album again soon. All in all I enjoyed it.
I think it's easy to praise Hybrid Theory and Meteora because of how good they were at the time. Many of us (not only on this forum) grew up with them, and I have fond memories of going through school, being 13-15 and listening to Linkin Park pretty much every day. The style they had back then was just not something they could move forward. If they had made another or two more albums in the same style, it would have gotten so repetitive. I think Hybrid Theory and Meteora has their charm because they were special, and more albums in the same style would have ruined that. And I'm really happy that LP could move forward as a band. :)
Interesting... Nostalgia has very little to do with my liking the older material, but I can only speak for myself (unless it is with video games, I'm not very nostalgic with anything in my life, least of all music). In fact, there's some pretty shitty memories that I have to dig out whilst listening to them, but I like the music so much that I block them out. I don't say this to debate or spark anything but I think the exact same of their recent albums (lame, embarrassing). Songs like Bleed It Out, Hands Held High and What I've Done, I find repetitive, cheesy, and downright cringe-worthy at times; same goes for some ATS songs; Blackout wasn't terrible, but once again I cringed when I heard it just because it sounds so damn mediocre and corny (along with Robot Boy; Burning In The Skies; and Waiting For The End). I find it interesting how people relate those emotions to music, and it's funny that we're on opposite sides. I mean, I can rock out to their old stuff; really get into it and enjoy what I'm listening to, whereas you probably do the same as I do with the new stuff, except with the old. (P.S. 'Red spikey hair' has nothing to do with the music they make... It is in fact possible to be 'grown-up and mature' and still make music akin to what once was with their first two albums; but once again it's interesting you relate that to that type of music)
I just can't get past a certain wall that has me cringing with embarassment every time I try to listen to almost anything from ATS and literally every track from MTM. It just sounds like some kiddy-pop joke to me; like they're trying so fucking hard to be accepted as this 'new, evolved' band when I thought they were doing amazing until that big change. But the same seems to be true for many others here in relation to their first couple albums. Very interesting. I don't know what makes us think that way when listening to a song but it's intriguing. Either way, clearly their new style isn't for me; so I'm hoping the new album leans towards their older style.
@Ariich: Urgh...I'm going to try my hardest to not let that last comment rub me the wrong way but please, for the love of all integrity, do not pull that 'factual opinion' cop-out and borderline insult my own opinion with that stab of 'whether you like it or not'. It doesn't make your opinion any more of a fact than me saying "MTM is an embarrassing pile of filth and anyone who thinks otherwise is a wrong doody-poo and has a brain the third the size of me, it's science kthanks" and only serves to irk anyone that happens to disagree, which I clearly do, along with projecting an image that you think your opinion is fact.
To answer your question, yes I've given both MTM and ATS full listens (ATS multiple listens because yes, it is intricate) and my uncompromising attention and I really did not enjoy either of them, as you can probably surmise from the above paragraphs. The music behind the lyrics doesn't do anything at all for me, I find it to be very bland and samey; then the lyrics themselves serve only to either make me cringe or stare blankly and forget altogether what I'm listening to. It's just a complete miss for me; I don't get the new style or its appeal nor can I fathom how it is their most intricate album. To date I still think that Meteora is a wonderful work of art and is their most intricately woven album along with being the most intellectually based output by the band...whether you like it or not.
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I wonder how much is nostalgia with LP. If I heard Hybrid Theory or Meteora for the first time today (not knowing the band before) I'm not sure if I would love them. But now I have such warm feelings towards the albums that I will always like them, even if my taste changes.
I went my entire teenage years only owning Meteora and finally got Hybrid Theory about a year ago, at age 23 and loved every minute of it.
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I wonder how much is nostalgia with LP. If I heard Hybrid Theory or Meteora for the first time today (not knowing the band before) I'm not sure if I would love them. But now I have such warm feelings towards the albums that I will always like them, even if my taste changes.
I went my entire teenage years only owning Meteora and finally got Hybrid Theory about a year ago, at age 23 and loved every minute of it.
Cool. :) I can only speak for myself, but I guess LP were easy to embrace back in the days, when I was younger I didn't quite pay attention to much, so their simple "formula" and sound was pretty easy to get hooked on. I'm not gonna say that I don't enjoy "simple" music today, but for those reasons I think it's interesting, if I had enjoyed those albums today. (if I hadn't heard anything else)
The only album in their discography that I don't like is Collision Course. There are a few songs on it that I can enjoy casually, but apart from that the newer versions did very little for me, and I enjoy the originals more. And it's not a Jay-Z thing either, I enjoy some of his work as well, but the result wasn't that great to me.
I also think Reanimation is underrated, it's a really interesting listen, with some great versions of the songs. (One Step Closer, By Myself, Forgotten and Pushing Me Away are better here then on Hybrid Theory IMO)
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I think I'm going to give ATS another chance tonight.
I was having a lot a trouble wrapping my head around it during the first few listens, but I do really want to get into it. (especially with this concert coming up)
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@Ariich: Urgh...I'm going to try my hardest to not let that last comment rub me the wrong way but please, for the love of all integrity, do not pull that 'factual opinion' cop-out and borderline insult my own opinion with that stab of 'whether you like it or not'. It doesn't make your opinion any more of a fact than me saying "MTM is an embarrassing pile of filth and anyone who thinks otherwise is a wrong doody-poo and has a brain the third the size of me, it's science kthanks" and only serves to irk anyone that happens to disagree, which I clearly do, along with projecting an image that you think your opinion is fact.
:lol Dude, I think you completely didn't get what I was saying, and can't have seen my posts in these sorts of discussions before, because I can assure you I was not suggesting that any opinion is in any way a fact. I'm always the one arguing for exactly what you are saying now!
The only reason I asked that question was out of interest, because your comments about the music being more "monotonous and shallow" didn't seem to tie in with the characteristics of ATS vs the first two albums. I don't mean the quality or whether they are good/bad, I just meant the features of those albums in themselves. That was why I wondered how much you'd listened to ATS, or if you were basing those comments mainly on MtM, particularly because I agree with you regarding that album. That was all.
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Oh... I'm sorry! I read it as a sarcastic jab at my opinion of the album rather than an actual question/comment. Oop. :blush But yeah, I didn't really get much more upon another listen; but I'm clearly biased against their new direction. I was misspoken when describing ATS with monotonous/shallow (must've been thinking of MTM), because it definitely isn't, it's more that style of music that doesn't mesh well with my tastes. So...perhaps once this new album comes out it will open my mind a bit to the new style, because I really liked this new song; and I can't remember the last time I liked a single. Till then though, I think I'll be the old fogy fan and be stuck in the past with the first two albums; I can't get enough of them. There's just some kind of specific sound or...quirk, just something that the first two albums had that's missing from recent endeavors. It may well be that it just isn't in my tastes, as their older material seems to be darker and more electronically based, which I love; but something that has taken a background stance in the newer albums.
Hell, it'd be great if the new album changed my perspective because I'd love to have another band to pine after and keep up with; it seems that I have but few bands these days that are active and continuously making music like these guys. As long as they don't go back to MTM's routine then I might be open to this new direction after all; I'll have to pick this one up and then go back to ATS to see if anything clicked. MTM is definitely done for in my mind though, that was just a bust...
Ed: I also missed the 'whether you would like it or not'. That changes the demeanor of the sentences considerably... :lol My bad. I need food. Yes, blaming it on hunger is the answer...
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To me it feels a bit like Minutes to Midnight gets disregarded a lot because when it came out, fans were expecting it to be: "Chug Chug > Rap a little here > Chester comes in for chorus > Mr.Hahn scratches a little here" which it totally wasn't. :biggrin:
I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular though, that's the general idea I've gotten from the album, people were expecting it to be a follow-up on HT and Meteora soundwise, when it wasn't people got mad. By the time ATS came out I think people had adjusted to the "LP not playing metal" more, and the album was better received. (how good the albums are compared to each other is another discussion)
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Right, exactlys. I mean honestly, I had all but forgotten about LP at that time because right after Meteora (and for a while after its release) was my deep dive into the world of Prog so I was in up to my neck in all kinds of new bands. But when I did eventually get around to rediscovering them, I was floored to know that they had made such a drastic change. I can't say 'mad' was the word, but I was definitely sad and disappointed that the sound I had related so closely with the band was pretty much nonexistent. I'm (more) open to it now, it's just that once I did listen to it and accept the change I found I didn't like it at all (which is sadly as unbiased as I'll be when it comes to LP for now).
But now comes this new song and GOLLY GEE MR. MCGOO, I actually like the style and the overall vibe of the song! So perhaps once the new album arrives and if I take a liking to it, I can hopefully truly be unbiased when listening to ATS (maaaaaaybe MTM after a few eons) and give it a true chance. That said, I doubt anything will give me the feeling that the first two have (and do, still). It is pretty amazing though the transition they made while still retaining what seems to be a good amount of their old fanbase while opening, quite literally, an entirely new one of a different genre; impressive to say the least, they're certainly talented.
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Oh... I'm sorry! I read it as a sarcastic jab at my opinion of the album rather than an actual question/comment. Oop. :blush But yeah, I didn't really get much more upon another listen; but I'm clearly biased against their new direction. I was misspoken when describing ATS with monotonous/shallow (must've been thinking of MTM), because it definitely isn't, it's more that style of music that doesn't mesh well with my tastes.
No worries man, yeah that's all I was asking really. :tup You seemed to be lumping the two albums together when I think they're at two opposite ends of LP's approach/style, but I can completely appreciate why you might dig the style less. It's definitely not as energetic as their first two albums I suppose, but for me there's something very exciting and dynamic about it.
And lack of food is ALWAYS a good excuse, I use it all the time! :lol
I had a listen to the new song and I really like it. Short and simple, but it's nice. Does actually kinda remind me of the ATS style mostly, but a bit more upbeat.
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So I just re-listened to ATS and also listened to MTM for the very first time.
Surprisingly, after years of thinking I would hate MTM, I actually liked it. Maybe not on the level of HT or Meteora, but I definitely enjoyed it.
ATS on the the other hand is gonna take some time. The first time I listened to it, I didn't like it at all, but this time I could feel myself starting to get into it. I'm gonna have to give some more listens.
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I hated MtM when I first heard it, but ATS definitely redeemed LP for me. And yeah, I popped in MtM recently and it definitely redeemed itself.
Here's what I think it is: as a bunch of songs, I think MtM is great. But something about the ordering of the album or something there makes it not really work as an album. And maybe ATS feels like it worked a lot better because as a concept album, it was all about cohesion and flow. I dunno, this is just my lacking sleep opinion talking here.
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"The Little Things You Give Away" needs more love. :heart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_Et0L_4vJU
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Still can't get over how absurd these two reviews of ATS are.
https://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1646930/linkin-parks-thousand-suns-kid-all-grown-up.jhtml (https://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1646930/linkin-parks-thousand-suns-kid-all-grown-up.jhtml)
https://www.villagevoice.com/2010-10-13/music/linkin-park-made-their-ok-computer/ (https://www.villagevoice.com/2010-10-13/music/linkin-park-made-their-ok-computer/)
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What's so absurd about them? The second is a little irritatingly worded, but the first is a pretty good review.
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^Comparing that mediocre album to the legendary Kid A or Ok Computer just destroys those authors' credibility. I think someone else even compared ATS to Dark Side of the Moon.
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that is just your opinion dude :lol
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that is just your opinion dude :lol
That and he's not the only reviewer to make that comparison. And I think what they all meant when they made it is that ATS as an album is like LP's Kid A or OK Computer, like what it means for them as a band, not that it was as groundbreaking in the general music scene as those albums necessarily.
Hey, every great band has their Dark Side of the Moon, their Sgt. Pepper. And maybe ATS won't be as famous or remembered as either of those (although we can't know that either, and even Kid A and OK Computer probably needed a little bit of distance-by-time to achieve their legendary status), maybe looking back we'll mark ATS as the beginning of a new chapter in their music.
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If you're going to compare any of LP's albums to Radiohead, then HT and Meteora would fit the bill more. Even though ATS is more 'experimental' the first two albums are their best works just like Ok Computer and Kid A are Radiohead's best works. But again, I think it's silly to compare two bands/albums who sound completely dissimilar.
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If you're going to compare any of LP's albums to Radiohead, then HT and Meteora would fit the bill more. Even though ATS is more 'experimental' the first two albums are their best works just like Ok Computer and Kid A are Radiohead's best works. But again, I think it's silly to compare two bands/albums who sound completely dissimilar.
They're not saying it sounds like Radiohead. They're taking an album by a well known band (Radiohead) that had a certain significance in that band's career, and they're saying this album for LP has a similar significance relative to their career.
You've never heard something referred to as a band's "Sgt. Pepper" before?
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Which is pretty much what I said before, but apparently that doesn't cut it either.
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If you're going to compare any of LP's albums to Radiohead, then HT and Meteora would fit the bill more. Even though ATS is more 'experimental' the first two albums are their best works just like Ok Computer and Kid A are Radiohead's best works. But again, I think it's silly to compare two bands/albums who sound completely dissimilar.
They're not saying it sounds like Radiohead. They're taking an album by a well known band (Radiohead) that had a certain significance in that band's career, and they're saying this album for LP has a similar significance relative to their career.
You've never heard something referred to as a band's "Sgt. Pepper" before?
I didn't say they were claiming it sounds like Radiohead. I have heard of the notion of a band's "Sgt. Pepper" before and it makes no more sense than a band's "Ok Computer" or "Kid A." It just makes it confusing to say that a certain album by a certain band is like a certain album by another band in terms of quality, if not sound. Saying it's their "Ok Computer" or "Kid A" could mean to someone who likes In Rainbows the best that ATS is LP's second-best album. The reviewers could have just said that ATS is LP's experimental breakthrough or masterpiece or something like that. Even if ATS marked a change in sound as did Kid A for Radiohead, it still didn't receive nearly the same level of fan and critical acclaim. I think the only logical comparison between the two albums is that LP tried but failed to make ATS as good an album as Kid A :laugh:
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it still didn't receive nearly the same level of fan and critical acclaim.
That doesn't mean anything in terms of quality.
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it still didn't receive nearly the same level of fan and critical acclaim.
That doesn't mean anything in terms of quality.
Look, the fact is that these reviewers are comparing an album with mixed reviews to two of the best acclaimed albums of all time. And it's pretty presumptuous to say that ATS would not only overtake HT and Meteora as the band's best albums, but also be in any way comparable to Ok Computer or Kid A. Compared to those two albums, there is almost no innovation on ATS.
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Maybe I'm talking out of my ass here because I sincerely don't know, but those albums didn't become huge, smash hits overnight, did they? They probably gained traction over a considerable period of time, building their reputation as more and more people recognized their genius. Again, not saying that ATS is such a brilliant musical masterpiece in the grand scheme of things, but the point still stands.
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I still don't get what is so great about Radiohead.
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Maybe I'm talking out of my ass here because I sincerely don't know, but those albums didn't become huge, smash hits overnight, did they? They probably gained traction over a considerable period of time, building their reputation as more and more people recognized their genius. Again, not saying that ATS is such a brilliant musical masterpiece in the grand scheme of things, but the point still stands.
The general consensus when OK Computer in particular came out wasn't "this is an awesome album" but more a confused, puzzled "what the fuck was THAT?" Kid A, even moreso. They're definitely after the fact legendary status albums.
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If you're going to compare any of LP's albums to Radiohead, then HT and Meteora would fit the bill more. Even though ATS is more 'experimental' the first two albums are their best works just like Ok Computer and Kid A are Radiohead's best works. But again, I think it's silly to compare two bands/albums who sound completely dissimilar.
They're not saying it sounds like Radiohead. They're taking an album by a well known band (Radiohead) that had a certain significance in that band's career, and they're saying this album for LP has a similar significance relative to their career.
You've never heard something referred to as a band's "Sgt. Pepper" before?
I didn't say they were claiming it sounds like Radiohead. I have heard of the notion of a band's "Sgt. Pepper" before and it makes no more sense than a band's "Ok Computer" or "Kid A." It just makes it confusing to say that a certain album by a certain band is like a certain album by another band in terms of quality, if not sound. Saying it's their "Ok Computer" or "Kid A" could mean to someone who likes In Rainbows the best that ATS is LP's second-best album. The reviewers could have just said that ATS is LP's experimental breakthrough or masterpiece or something like that. Even if ATS marked a change in sound as did Kid A for Radiohead, it still didn't receive nearly the same level of fan and critical acclaim. I think the only logical comparison between the two albums is that LP tried but failed to make ATS as good an album as Kid A :laugh:
ATS is a lot more interesting than Kid A. Even edges out OK Computer for me.
And anyway in terms of the point that those reviews are making, that it was a big step for the band, a change in their sound, and a maturing of their approach to music, I think the analogy is a pretty good one.
EDIT: Also this:
The general consensus when OK Computer in particular came out wasn't "this is an awesome album" but more a confused, puzzled "what the fuck was THAT?" Kid A, even moreso. They're definitely after the fact legendary status albums.
People HATED Kid A when it first came out.
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People HATED Kid A when it first came out.
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That's true but it doesn't necessarily mean that ATS will be seen as a classic in 10 years time. And I still think that ATS is far less innovative that Kid A. With Kid A, you have actual experimentation and not just a shift from one pre-defined genre to another. With ATS, LP may have completely changed their sound but the songs are basically just electronic pop/rock that's more or less radio-friendly. I'm not saying ATS is a bad album. It actually has some pretty good songs on it. I'm just saying that a comparison to Radiohead only makes sense at a superficial level.
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Personally I think the big difference between Kid A and A Thousand Suns is that the former has several really amazing songs. ATS to me is a pretty consistent album (and I think it's great), but Kid A is a masterpiece, and comparing the two.. there's only one winner for me.
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That's all a matter of opionion though. I like Kid A but I do find it slightly dull when compared with albums like OK Computer or In Rainbows.
But the comparison wasn't saying "this is as experimental as Radiohead", because clearly that's not true. The comparison was about what it means for the band, and how much of a departure it was FOR THEM, rather than in absolute terms about how experimental it is. And the OK Computer comparison was similar - it was a comparison of the way the band have created an album that is more mature which has established them as a grown-up band, in the same way OK Computer did that for Radiohead.
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People HATED Kid A when it first came out.
That's true but it doesn't necessarily mean that ATS will be seen as a classic in 10 years time. And I still think that ATS is far less innovative that Kid A. With Kid A, you have actual experimentation and not just a shift from one pre-defined genre to another. With ATS, LP may have completely changed their sound but the songs are basically just electronic pop/rock that's more or less radio-friendly. I'm not saying ATS is a bad album. It actually has some pretty good songs on it. I'm just saying that a comparison to Radiohead only makes sense at a superficial level.
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Maybe not, but how do we know? All we're saying is one shouldn't automatically dismiss the possibility, because none of us can tell the future.
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Well, if the new LP is going to be a bit "back to basic", or combining old elements with newer stuff, then ATS won't be much of a Kid A at all, because when Radiohead released Kid A, they continued with Amnesiac and had a bit of an era with that kind of music, but in LP's case it's more like it will be ATS, then back to an older sound again. :P
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Look, the fact is that these reviewers are comparing an album with mixed reviews to two of the best acclaimed albums of all time.
No they're not.
They're saying ATS is as much a turning point in LP's career as OK Computer was in Radiohead's. It's an analogy.
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Well, if the new LP is going to be a bit "back to basic", or combining old elements with newer stuff, then ATS won't be much of a Kid A at all, because when Radiohead released Kid A, they continued with Amnesiac and had a bit of an era with that kind of music, but in LP's case it's more like it will be ATS, then back to an older sound again. :P
Funny you should mention it...
https://www.lpassociation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35985
Regarding the claims that LIVING THINGS will incorporate more heavy guitars than their recent albums:
"That's actually been misinterpreted. What we've actually said is that the record gets back to our roots and it's captured a feeling that we haven't gone after in many years. I think that's gone misconstrued as a return to heavy guitars. There are guitars on the record of course though."
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Well to be honest I didn't think it would be nu-metal ish, I just meant that the band themselves said that it would be combining older with newer stuff.
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Well to be honest I didn't think it would be nu-metal ish, I just meant that the band themselves said that it would be combining older with newer stuff.
Not really, they said that the feel and mentality with it was more like the early days. If you listen to the new single, the sound is much more like ATS in my opinion.
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Right, the "new" old mentality is just their philosophy of looking at all the different genres and styles they're all interested in and inspired by, and writing music that reflects that diverse mix of influences. Considering they're infusing strings with tribal beats with electronics, I'd say they're definitely living up to that.
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Quoth the LPA Raven:
So... Did anyone notice that track number 5 on A Thousand Suns is called "When They Come For Me" and track 5 on Living Things is "I'll Be Gone"...
Mind = blown
(For those who don't understand, one of the lines in the former song is "Oh, when they come for me/I'll be gone")
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^ Well that's pretty cool.
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Picked up Hybrid Theory again. Got rid of it several years ago, but I really don't know why I did. It's a great album.
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A recently pulled review of the new album from MySpace:
WARNING: SPOILERS
Recently Myspace was invited to stop by NRG Studios in North Hollywood to get an exclusive sneak peek at Linkin Park’s upcoming fifth album Living Things, which will be out on June 26 via WBR. Guitarist Brad Delson played host, noting that this disc is an “amalgam of our first releases, which is the sound people know us best for, and that experimental stuff.”
Delson, who also mentioned that the band listened to a lot of folk music and early Americana during the recording process, added that the shift in sound on this release is due to the fact that the musicians used “a lot of tools we had put aside that we felt comfortable using again.” He added, “It’s a random process where we’re deconstructing things and putting them back together… We just use whatever sounds we think will be best for the record and then figure out how to play them later.”
While we can’t actually let you hear any of the new tracks we can offer a glimpse into what’s to come (and what the heck Delson is talking about).
Track: “Lost In The Echo”
Sample Lyric: “We got lost in the echo.”
Word We Wrote Down To Describe It: Epic
What You Can Expect: A grandiose, swelling number that harkens back to early single “In the End.”
Track: “In My Remains”
Sample Lyric: “Like an army falling one by one”
Word We Wrote Down To Describe It: Slick
What You Can Expect: A heavy rocker that slowly builds from a sparse, electronic backbone.
Track: “Burn It Down”
Sample Lyric: “We’re building it up to break it down”
Word We Wrote Down To Describe It: Single
What You Can Expect: Listen for yourself [here]
Track: “Lies Greed Misery”
Sample Lyric: “Now let me show you exactly how the breaking point sounds”
Word We Wrote Down To Describe It: Aggressive
What You Can Expect: A thrashing, in-your-face number garnished with a hint of dub-step.
Track: “I’ll Be Gone”
Sample Lyric: “It’s time you let me go”
Word We Wrote Down To Describe It: Ballad
What You Can Expect: An anthemic radio number that features heavy drums and urgent vocals.
Track: “Castle of Glass”
Sample Lyric: “I’m only a crack in this castle of glass”
Word We Wrote Down To Describe It: Ambient
What You Can Expect: A combination of synth and acoustic guitar that creates an atmospheric rocker.
Track: “Victimized”
Sample Lyric: We didn’t write one down because we were so shaken by the track’s aggression.
Word We Wrote Down To Describe It: Metallic
What You Can Expect: Linkin Park’s heaviest song yet, a screaming, heavy rock song that may surprise you.
Track: “Roads Untraveled”
Sample Lyric: “The love that you lost wasn’t worth what it cost and in time you’ll be glad it’s gone”
Word We Wrote Down To Describe It: Heartbreak
What You Can Expect: A piano-driven ballad that even features some chimes.
Track: “Skin To Bone”
Sample Lyric: “Ashes to ashes, dust to dust”
Word We Wrote Down To Describe It: Hypnotic
What You Can Expect: An electro-driven rhythmic number that goes hard on the experimentation.
Track: “Until It Breaks”
Sample Lyric: “You woke the devil that I thought you’d left behind”
Word We Wrote Down To Describe It: Introspective
What You Can Expect: One of the softer tracks on the album, centered on synth melodies.
Track: “Tinfoil”
Sample Lyric: This track is instrumental, so…
Word We Wrote Down To Describe It: Ambient
What You Can Expect: An intro between tracks that also delves into experimental noises.
Track: “Powerless”
What You Can Expect: Unfortunately the CD didn’t work so we didn’t get to hear this one.
The original got pulled, probably because of the latter description, but I'm more excited than ever for this. Every single summary sounds like Linkin Park is really at the top of their game.
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Love the new single so much I dusted off their first album and put it on iTunes. First cd I ever owned. Figure I'm mature enough these days to just enjoy it without the old "hate it because Linkin Park lol" mentality. It still is a good debut, but it just makes me remember what a whiny, angsty little brat I was back in the day. :lol
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I am 100% ready to love Living Things. I just hope it delivers.
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I am fucking loving Lies, Greed, Misery (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/online_downloads/new_linkin_park_single_lies_greed_misery.html?no_takeover). It sounds like they are embracing the whole of their sound while still throwing something new in and making it sound fresh and inspired. This is what I wanted. Something that didn't exactly sound like it came from the era of their first albums but I didn't want them to throw away their past, either. So this is right up my ally in terms of what I'd like LP to be as a band. Awesome, merciless, groovy tune. I might actually be excited for Living Things.
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I loved the first single, but I honestly don't care for Lies ,Greed, Misery.
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I am fucking loving Lies, Greed, Misery (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/online_downloads/new_linkin_park_single_lies_greed_misery.html?no_takeover). It sounds like they are embracing the whole of their sound while still throwing something new in and making it sound fresh and inspired. This is what I wanted. Something that didn't exactly sound like it came from the era of their first albums but I didn't want them to throw away their past, either. So this is right up my ally in terms of what I'd like LP to be as a band. Awesome, merciless, groovy tune. I might actually be excited for Living Things.
Sounds more like "Reanimation" to me, which I'm not really fond of :-\
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I liked it, a nice up-tempo song for a change. I don't have enough of those, my iPod is a treasure trove of negativity. :lol
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I'm going to pretend that wasn't Linkin Park.
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I had a feeling this would be mostly disliked and/or hated. I don't think the reactions will get much better for the majority over time either. That said, I'm finally taking a break from listening to it on repeat for the last hour. I dunno, despite the dub-step undertones, which I've become accepting to, I really love this track a lot.
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Lies Greed and Misery sounded exactly what LP described their album would be like: mix of old components and new components. I've grown apart from LP these years, but it wasn't that of a bad song. I like it better than most of the stuff on A Thousand Suns already.
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A Thousand Suns is an amazing album. It's my favorite album by Linkin Park, followed closely by Hybrid Theory (obviously)
I don't know...it's just so fresh, and it really bleeds effort.
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LEAKIN PARK
*cough*
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it's Linkin Park*
you're welcome! :tup
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???
:yarr
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Yes, it's pretty widespread news by now. With this as with any Dream Theater or other release, no links to leaked material please, no hints as to where it might be obtained, etc. etc. etc.
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the band put the album up on iTunes for streaming, so that wouldn't be illegal. idk if it's still up though
anyways this is way better than I expected...
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It's not, iTunes took it down only a couple hours later; I assume it was a mistake on their part to put it up in the first place.
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yeah that's what I'm guessing... the feedback has been pretty dang good though, I bet they're not too unhappy
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The new album is really good actually. Powerless is my favorite, and I think LP has always been great at doing good closers. The Little Things You Give Away, Powerless and Pushing Me Away are among my favorites. :)
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To be quite honest, The Little Things is one of my least favorite songs ever.
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That's weird considering that it's a top3 LP-song for me. Maybe even my favorite. :lol
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Pleasantly surprised with the new album. It's leagues better than ATS. Only heard it once, but Powerless is one of the best songs they've ever made.
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I'm picking it tomorrow. IF I love ATS, is this gunna be good?
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I'm picking it tomorrow. IF I love ATS, is this gunna be good?
Yes. And if you love their first 2 albums, you'll love it too
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Yeah the album really surprised me. And as Adace said, Powerless is one of the best songs they've written in a long time. (and by that I don't mean to bash on what they've put out, but that song is so good)
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Lost in the Echo is really epic, but I don't understand why reviewers are comparing it to In the End; it sounds nothing like it. Or, for that matter, why reviewers and Linkin Park claim that Castle of Glass or Road Untraveled were inspired by folk.
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I just listened to the album for the first time, and I am two minds about it. On one hand it is a massive improvement over ATS, but there are still a few songs that I don't like at all (Skin to Bone, Lies, Greed and Misery). However, some songs are truly awesome (Castle of Glass, Lost in the Echo, Powerless). I'll have to see whether I'll get this.
Castle of Glass is probably among my Top 5 LP songs, it's really good.
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Lost in the Echo is really epic, but I don't understand why reviewers are comparing it to In the End; it sounds nothing like it. Or, for that matter, why reviewers and Linkin Park claim that Castle of Glass or Road Untraveled were inspired by folk.
The folk-inspired thing is something I can't hear at all. To me it sounds like a trick to make more people interested in listening to it, but I can't say that I hear it in the music. :lol
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Ranking Time:
1. Roads Untraveled
2. Burn it Down
3. Castle of Glass
4. Lies, Greed, Misery
5. Powerless
6. Lost in the Echo
7. Victimized
8. Tinfoil
9. Until it Breaks
10. In My Remains
11. I'll Be Gone
12. Skin to Bone
Lost in the Echo is really epic, but I don't understand why reviewers are comparing it to In the End; it sounds nothing like it. Or, for that matter, why reviewers and Linkin Park claim that Castle of Glass or Road Untraveled were inspired by folk.
The folk-inspired thing is something I can't hear at all. To me it sounds like a trick to make more people interested in listening to it, but I can't say that I hear it in the music. :lol
Yeah I dunno, the fans on my LP forum claim they hear it too. :p
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I've only heard it in full twice so far, gonna spin it again in 30 mins or so when I've had something to eat.
Powerless would be first, after that it gets tougher.
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Album stream on iTunes:
https://www.linkinpark.com/
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I'm halfway through the album and it could easily be my favorite release by these guys. I'm loving every single track thus far, and aside from being sick of the single just because I've heard it a million times, I have little complaints thus far. It's pretty much what they said it'd be (their past albums fused with their new direction) along with a step in yet another new direction. I really love the sound, it's definitely original and I think it's kept the best of their original vision whilst doing their best to not regress, which they didn't; on the contrary, I didn't expect such a change. The whole experience feels very complete so far and the sound is almost industrial. I realllllly like like.
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I'm kinda sorta the opposite; I still love the single but I think the album's gonna have to grow on me. Not that I hate it, but I don't *love* it yet.
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Jesus tap-dancing Christ, Lost In The Echo is going to be on replay for a lonnnng time.
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Hearing this album gives me the same feeling as back when I heard Hybrid Theory and Meteora for the first time several years ago
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The new album is really special. It just hit me, "Living Things" feels exactly like it fits into my life and where I am now musically, in the same way Hybrid Theory and Meteora fitted into my life back when they were released. Like pieces in a puzzle they just fitted right into my life back then, and I had the same feeling with Living Things now.
It's really quite something. It's a great feeling, and it's cool that the band has evolved so much over the years. I enjoyed both MtM and ATS, but Living Things is much more "spot on" as for what I'm listening to right now. It's fresh, it's unique and it's really good.
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I think I am really in love with Living Things, and this is coming from someone who really didn't like A thousand Suns.
I am totally back on board with LP and can't wait to see them in August. :metal
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Well, not much longer now. I've been doing the "listen to all my Linkin Park CDs" deal like I usually do with DT. I'm going to save listening to ATS for when I go pick up my copy, so I can transition directly from that to the new album. :metal
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Album came out today here but I haven't had a chance to get it yet.
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hopefully it will be in the mail when I get home :)
Already heard it on iTunes stream twice a few days ago and sounded great :tup
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Bought it for $5 on Amazon. Listened to it once. Some amazing songs some ok. Just like how I felt with A Thousand Suns at first. I do fear though that this album is brickwalled to death and clips all over. Hopefully it won't distract me too much.
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Been listening on Spotify, it's a very solid album! I don't find it quite as exciting as ATS, but the album has a great vibe.
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If I were to rank LP's albums I'd probably rank them: Meteora > Hybrid Theory/Living Things > Minutes to Midnight > A Thousand Suns.
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I'm gonna be bold: I'm gonna call this my favorite Linkin Park album thus far. And from what little I've picked up this year, solid contender for album of the year.
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Holy shit, THIS ALBUM IS AMAZING
I didn't know how the follow up to ATS would be, but it surpassed my expectations. I've heard it non-stop for 3 days.
Powerless is one of the best LP songs ever.
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Apparently the CD is candy for audiophiles.
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Listening to the new album now
So far I like it more than A Thousand Suns...
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Listening to the new album now
So far I like it more than A Thousand Suns...
That's not that hard, I think. There were a few gems on there, but most of the tracks were lackluster and filler.
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A Thousand Suns just never stuck...and I am a huge sucker for Concept Albums
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Yeah, I like concept albums as well, but they have be done well, otherwise they suck, no matter how good the concept.
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VICTIMIZED VICTIMIZED
haha I like this album, LP did a good job, but is it just me or are they using a lot more electronic elements then usual??
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It's not just you, I thought that was actually fairly obvious. :lol
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It's not just you, I thought that was actually fairly obvious. :lol
Yeah same. I'd say the new album is more Electronica than anything else.
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And thanks to my fucking LSAT classes, I have to miss another Linkin Park album tour. That's now eight years running.
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It's not just you, I thought that was actually fairly obvious. :lol
well yeah it is quite obvious, I was kinda trying to be cute. How does everyone feel about this though? I mean everyone seems to like the album, (well most everyone from what I can see) and the and the first time I heard it I was kind of iffy but the album has grown on my quite a lot.
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Depends: are you listening to the CD version or a stream?
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It's not just you, I thought that was actually fairly obvious. :lol
well yeah it is quite obvious, I was kinda trying to be cute. How does everyone feel about this though? I mean everyone seems to like the album, (well most everyone from what I can see) and the and the first time I heard it I was kind of iffy but the album has grown on my quite a lot.
They've always used electronic elements and that feature has been increasing in their music over the last couple of albums, so I didn't even think that was particularly noteworthy.
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I never would've thought so, but listening to the CD vs. the stream does make all of the difference. Strings on Tinfoil, extra guitars and piano on In My Remains, bass that's more up-front on Until It Breaks, the little intricacies make for a really incredible album.
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Blog post I wrote about LIVING THINGS and Linkin Park in general, if anyone cares: https://thegreenthbeatle.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/linkin-park-living-things-and-all-sorts-of-other-things/
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Blog post I wrote about LIVING THINGS and Linkin Park in general, if anyone cares: https://thegreenthbeatle.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/linkin-park-living-things-and-all-sorts-of-other-things/
That was actually pretty interesting. It's not a perfect comparison, but you did point out a good number of cool similarities. :tup
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Yo, thanks for commenting man, it actually took me a second to realize the name "Phanty" with you. Don't ask me how I didn't realize that right away. :lol
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Living Things arrived today!!! :victorydance:
Sounding really cool up to now, though I don't like Lies, Greed and Misery at all. Definitely an improvement over ATS.
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It's interesting because Lies Greed Misery is one of my favorites on the album, top3 at least. :lol
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Really? It's just screaming and a bit of noise for me.
My top songs are Powerless, Castle of Glass and Lost in the Echo.
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It's great, because there isn't so much division on whether this album is awesome so much as why. Personally I think Powerless and Lost in the Echo are overrated, and I think Until it Breaks, Castle of Glass, and Skin to Bone are some of the best tracks.
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Yeah, they're really great. Just listening to Skin to Bone. Great song. :metal
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Holy hell, I never noticed that Linkin Park wrote songs in 3/4. I just listened to The Little Things Give You Away and it really hit.
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I think Easier to Run is in 6/8 as well.
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Upon first listen, I didn't care for the album too much. The opening/closing tracks are awesome, but I felt there was a lot of filler in there. Most of it, I felt, was generic LP. But I will definitely give it a few more listens.
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Holy hell, I never noticed that Linkin Park wrote songs in 3/4. I just listened to The Little Things Give You Away and it really hit.
Literally the only song on Minutes that I like, but I like it so much that it makes up for all the other songs. :D Really awesome song.
On a more recent note, I'm still loving the hell out of Living Things. Echo is still by far my favorite and I've still been playing it to death and the using Full Life and then killing it again. With my ears.
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Holy hell, I never noticed that Linkin Park wrote songs in 3/4. I just listened to The Little Things Give You Away and it really hit.
Literally the only song on Minutes that I like, but I like it so much that it makes up for all the other songs. :D Really awesome song.
I like In Pieces as well, but I agree that it's sort of meh. Easily my least favourite LP album, I even prefer A Thousand Suns to it.
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I like most of the songs individually (I think the only one I legitimately hate is Little Things), but that tracklisting was such an epic fail. The way they ordered it wears down the listener so that by the time you get to the end all the songs feel like they'd blurred into one another. It made the album sound so fucking boring.
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I think Minutes to Midnight is pretty good actually. I don't think it has a song I dislike, it also has some really good ones like Little Things, Given Up, No More Sorrow, Valentine's Day etc.
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Upon first listen, I didn't care for the album too much. The opening/closing tracks are awesome, but I felt there was a lot of filler in there. Most of it, I felt, was generic LP. But I will definitely give it a few more listens.
Definitely more listens bro! All killer no filler.
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When I first listened to Living Things I liked it a lot, but after repeated listens, not so much anymore.
I still really like lost in the echo and Burn it down though.
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I'm quite the opposite. I tend to listen to it once a day. I haven't done that in a long, long time. I don't know what it is about this album, but I feel like I'm listening to Hybrid Theory again (not saying Hybrid Theory = Living Things). I can't get enough of it. It has that vibe of, "oh man, I love this song! and the next's one's good too. and the next one. Shit I forgot about that song! Goddamn this album is good!".
Long, long time.
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Only really know Burn it Down and Lies Greed Misery right now, and I can say the latter is awful.
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False. Castle of Glass is awesome. In fact the only tracks I don't *love* are Roads Untraveled and Powerless.
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I'd say the best three are Powerless, Lies Greed Misery and Lost in the Echo. The rest is good, but I don't enjoy it as much.
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The ones that stand out the most for me are Tinfoil/Powerless, Castle of Glass, Victimized/Roads Untraveled, and Skin to Bone. More times than not I start with Victimized and just let it roll over for the album. Not sure why, but it just flows well for me.
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I love the whole album, to be honest. I can listen to it from beginning to end four times in a day and not get tired of it.
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Just saw LP last night for the first time and it was pretty damn good. I really had to admire Chester's stage presence and energy and the setlist was a pretty good mix of old and new. Had a great time.
* and on a side note, Incubus was incredible too.
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Do you remember the set at all?
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Do you remember the set at all?
A Place for My Head
Given Up
New Divide
Victimized / QWERTY
With You
Somewhere I Belong
Empty Spaces
When They Come for Me
Lies Greed Misery
Points of Authority
Waiting for the End
Breaking the Habit
Leave Out All the Rest / Shadow of the Day / Iridescent
The Catalyst
Lost in the Echo
Numb
Burn It Down
What I've Done
In the End
Bleed It Out
(w/ Sabotage bridge)
Encore:
Tinfoil
Faint
Lying From You / Papercut
One Step Closer
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So it turns out that Linkin Park is pretty cool.
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Do you remember the set at all?
A Place for My Head
Given Up
New Divide
Victimized / QWERTY
With You
Somewhere I Belong
Empty Spaces
When They Come for Me
Lies Greed Misery
Points of Authority
Waiting for the End
Breaking the Habit
Leave Out All the Rest / Shadow of the Day / Iridescent
The Catalyst
Lost in the Echo
Numb
Burn It Down
What I've Done
In the End
Bleed It Out
(w/ Sabotage bridge)
Encore:
Tinfoil
Faint
Lying From You / Papercut
One Step Closer
That is a fucking awesome setlist. :metal
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nice!
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Linkin Park's video for Lost In the Echoes (best song from the new album in my opinion) was nominated for something so I thought I should check the video out..
Turns out it's awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co4YpHTqmfQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co4YpHTqmfQ)
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By far and away my favorite song off the album. In fact, when I do listen to the album, it's always the first three or four songs, usually just three. But the intro to the album is the best.
Fucking awesome music video.
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I like the second half a lot, actually, except Roads Untraveled and Tinfoil (very pointless filler instrumental).
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Powerless is the best one on the album imo.
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I like Roads Untravelled, even though it is a little cheesy.
Powerless is one of the better ones too. The time signature in the verses are really cool to see a band like Linkin Park use.
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Castle of Glass is my favorite from the album.
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Castle of Glass is my favorite from the album.
o/
Castle of Glass, Powerless, Lost in the Echo and Burn It Down are probably my favourites. The rest is sorta meh. Probably my least favourite LP album.
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I think their worst album by far is A Thousand Suns. I can sort of appreciate the theme they went for, but the most is really mediocre for the most part. I don't think there's any song from it that I really like. Blackout maybe.
On the other hand, I really like Minutes to Midnight. I think it has in general stronger songs than the two latest albums, even if Living Things was pretty cool. "The Little Things You Give Away" is probably my favorite LP-tune.
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I think their worst album by far is A Thousand Suns. I can sort of appreciate the theme they went for, but the most is really mediocre for the most part. I don't think there's any song from it that I really like. Blackout maybe.
Burning In the Skies is awesome and When They Come For Me is really cool too. Iredescent is okay but not fantastic.
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I think I'm the only person that considers A Thousand Suns to be by far their best album.
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Here we go:
1. Hybrid
2. Meteora
3. Tie between Living Things, Thousand Suns
4. MtM
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I haven't heard most of MtM so...
A Thousand Suns
Living Things
Hybrid Theory/Meteora
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I think I'm the only person that considers A Thousand Suns to be by far their best album.
I think so too.
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Hybrid Theory
A Thousand Suns
Meteora
Minutes To Midnight
Living Things
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I am extremely unfamiliar with Meteora, only heard Numb and Breaking the Habit.
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Meteora
Minutes to Midnight
Hybrid Theory
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Living Things
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A Thousand Suns
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Hybrid Theory
A Thousand Suns
Meteora
Minutes To Midnight
Living Things
I wouldn't rate LT that harshly, but yeah, it was disappointing after ATS. Honestly I don't think there's a bad song on MtM either, but something about the way the album is arranged I just can't ever get through it in one sitting. My rankings:
A Thousand Suns
Reanimation (yes, I do count it)
Hybrid Theory
Meteora
Living Things
Minutes to Midnight
Plus I love all the b-side material, like the original My December and High Voltage. Oh, and Hybrid Theory EP is pretty great. I swear, a lot of great ideas end up getting cut with them every time for some reason, many times better than what actually ends up on the album.
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Hybrid
Meteora
Minutes
Living Things
Thousand Suns :yeahright
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Living Things, IMO, is entirely filler with the exception of the opening/closing tracks.
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I think I'm the only person that considers A Thousand Suns to be by far their best album.
I think so too.
GROUP HUG GUYS
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So
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I think their worst album by far is A Thousand Suns. I can sort of appreciate the theme they went for, but the most is really mediocre for the most part. I don't think there's any song from it that I really like. Blackout maybe.
On the other hand, I really like Minutes to Midnight. I think it has in general stronger songs than the two latest albums, even if Living Things was pretty cool. "The Little Things You Give Away" is probably my favorite LP-tune.
I'm the exact opposite. For me, A Thousand Suns is easily their best album - it has some amazing standout songs, it has a coherence and flow that nothing else they've done comes near, and they experiment and try out some very cool new ideas.
Whereas I find MTM to be an incoherent collection of songs, some of which are good but some of which are just really quite dull.
1. A Thousand Suns
2. Living Things
3. Meteroa
4. Hybrid Theory
5. Minutes to Midnight
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So, I guess I'm not the only one after all.
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Chester Bennington (Linkin Park) new singer for STP? Hard to feel bad for Scott Weiland (get your shit together already). Surprised they put this together so quickly and have released a song already. I have been a distant LP fan but the new STP song sounds like Bennington could fit and make some quality new music while not being too different than their past. Not sure how all of this will go forward but pretty interesting news regardless.
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News about the upcoming Linkin Park album
"As many of you have already noticed, I've been away from my blog / Twitter / Instagram for a while, since we're pretty deep into the writing and recording process. I wanted to take a moment to tell you about what's going on.
"As most Linkin Park fans know, the sound of each album is usually quite different from the last. The new album is no exception. But as usual, the album's sound twists and turns as it is created, so any attempt at estimating what it sounds like today would be silly. The moment I tell you it sounds like "X", the songs will automatically take a drastic turn and evolve into something different within a week.
"But what I can tell you is I'm inspired. We're inspired.
"The band is trying all kinds of things we haven't before. First of all, we're not in the same studio. All our previous albums (except MTM) were recorded at the same studio; this album is not being done there. All our previous albums were done with a producer at the helm; this album has largely been self-produced. We normally write in a organized and regimented style, recorded into the computer; this album has been the product of a mix of focused experimentation and free form jamming. We're even tracking parts to tape instead of going exclusively digital.
"I've been spending 10-12 hours a day in the studio-jamming, experimenting, writing, recording, re-writing, re-recording...searching for the sound that truly captures where we're at as a band right now. Something bold and energetic. Something with a balance between the chaos and order.
"As ever, we're digging deep to craft the best songs that will set the tone for the next step, that will draw a line between what we're doing and everything else.
We can't wait for you to hear it this summer."
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Awesome! I love most of their albums with great exception to MTM and ATS. But I really adored LT and hope they continue to innovate. He pretty much said it...no telling what it'll be like. I might abhor it like I do MTM/ATS or might love it as much as Meteora, which is still my favorite album of theirs.
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Bro
I love A Thousand Suns :sad:
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Granted, I haven't heard them in a long while, so I may revisit them again soon; but I doubt my opinion has changed. It'll be interesting though, I've opened up a little more to that kind of sound. I really liked When They Come For Me, but that's about it... I'll have to check them out again.
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Bro
I love A Thousand Suns :sad:
Yep, easily their best album, but the rest (apart from MTM) are also great.
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Just previewed it on iTunes...I was definitely remembering it wrong. I still abhor MTM, but I thought they had another really poppy-sounding album like MTM. Either way, I'm definitely gonna check out ATS later tonight when I get off work. Still previewed MTM and it's exactly as I remember and I'm not even gonna waste the money, it's just way too shallow-sounding for me. I dunno, I can't put my finger on it but it's not for me. I still doubt ATS will be up there with my favorites of LP but it's definitely better than I remember. Either that or I was straight up remembering MTM and fusing it with parts of ATS. :lol
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Just previewed it on iTunes...I was definitely remembering it wrong. I still abhor MTM, but I thought they had another really poppy-sounding album like MTM.
Er, no, definitely not poppy. :lol Some people find it a bit too drawn out in terms of flow, with interludes and all sorts, but it's the most deep and well-structured album they've done in my opinion.
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:iagree:
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I listened to ATS in full this morning, first time I've done that in a while. I kinda lost focus after a while, but the songs are still solid. Linkin Park will probably always be my favorite band.
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A Thousand Suns is a fantastic album. I don't know if it's the best Linkin Park album, but it's the most unique. I've never heard anything like it from another band.
Blackout is a sick song. So many different musical feels that work together coherently. Iridescent has a lot of emotional feels. Really well composed song. When They Come for Me is really dark and groovy.
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A Thousand Suns is a fantastic album. I don't know if it's the best Linkin Park album, but it's the most unique. I've never heard anything like it from another band.
Blackout is a sick song. So many different musical feels that work together coherently. Iridescent has a lot of emotional feels. Really well composed song. When They Come for Me is really dark and groovy.
Nice choices. :tup I absolutely love the feel and vibe in Irridescent.
As you say, it's such a unique album. The way guitars are used throughout is really unusual, and some of the songs have a great tribal feel. I just love the album.
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Cast me in with the "A Thousand Suns is the best" lot
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A Thousand Suns is also my favorite album as well. I saw them on that tour as well (the show I went to was actually filmed for a TV broadcast) and it was awesome. I gotta say I'm in the minority and say that I thought Minutes to Midnight was a great album as well (even though it's probably their weakest album IMO).
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A Thousand Suns is by far their worst imo, not counting Collision Course. I like the idea they were going for, but apart from Blackout, few of the songs were really memorable. If there's any LP album I would defend, it would be Minutes to Midnight which would probably be my second favorite LP album. People often talk shit about it, but to me it's really not a bad album. Has some really good stuff on it, and I don't even care about the 2-3 ballads, they are catchy.
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I'll tell you what it is for me, because I *sorta* get what you're saying (despite MtM being my least favorite album overall). With respect to ATS, there's just one big block of nonstop awesome from When They Come For Me till Blackout (or arguably Wretches & Kings, depending on my mood), and everything outside of that epicenter is from mild to mediocre, again depending on my mood.
MtM is sorta weird for me. Hands Held High may be my favorite "new" era LP song of all time, and the album really does exhibit some of their strongest writing ever. But something about the way it's arranged...I swear I have not listened to the whole album from beginning to end since it came out. I really feel like reordering the album might've made a difference.
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So since album-rankings seem to be the most common topic, what are your favorite LP-songs?
My personal favorite is The Little Things You Give Away. I love the way it slowly builds up, and I love the chorus. Some really nice melodies and I just love it. I think the live version on Road to Revolution is quite awesome as well.
Apart from that one, some other favorites would be: Figure 09, Papercut, Nobody's Listening, Given Up, No More Sorrow, Powerless, Blackout, Reading My Eyes (technically a Xero song before they became LP).
Also, does anyone listen to Fort Minor? (Shinoda's sideproject) I really like the album they put out. It's not flawless, but it has some really good songs imo.
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Fort Minor is awesome. Shinoda's not the greatest rapper, but I really enjoy his lyrics.
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So since album-rankings seem to be the most common topic, what are your favorite LP-songs?
My personal favorite is The Little Things You Give Away. I love the way it slowly builds up, and I love the chorus. Some really nice melodies and I just love it. I think the live version on Road to Revolution is quite awesome as well.
Apart from that one, some other favorites would be: Figure 09, Papercut, Nobody's Listening, Given Up, No More Sorrow, Powerless, Blackout, Reading My Eyes (technically a Xero song before they became LP).
Also, does anyone listen to Fort Minor? (Shinoda's sideproject) I really like the album they put out. It's not flawless, but it has some really good songs imo.
Yeah, I like Fort Minor. Some of my favorite LP songs:
Hands Held High
When They Come For Me
High Voltage/H! Vltg3
Blackout
Reading My Eyes
Waiting for the End
Stick 'N' Move
Easier to Run
Forgotten
Somewhere I Belong
Don't Stay
Papercut
You might notice a trend. :P
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MtM is sorta weird for me. Hands Held High may be my favorite "new" era LP song of all time, and the album really does exhibit some of their strongest writing ever. But something about the way it's arranged...I swear I have not listened to the whole album from beginning to end since it came out. I really feel like reordering the album might've made a difference.
MtM is too self-conscious. Listen to What I've Done. It's a less-metaphorical-than-you-think expression of how LP felt at the time about their old music and their new music. They were trying to escape the trappings of what made them who they were, and ended up not creating anything interesting to fill in the gaps.
It shouldn't be surprising that, on ATS, LP re-embraced their electronic and hip-hop elements.
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Are you saying that ATS was a return-to-form for LP? Because I think that couldn't be further from the truth.
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Are you saying that ATS was a return-to-form for LP? Because I think that couldn't be further from the truth.
Are you saying that ATS was a bad album? Because I think that couldn't be further from the truth.
However, if you're saying that what made it an improvement over MtM was that instead of going backwards they continued to experiment, then I agree.
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Oh no, not at all! ATS is by far my favorite LP album. I'm just saying that it is very different from any of their other work (well, Living Things bears some similarities, I suppose).
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Actually LT to me sounds like them trying to mash the way old sound with the more recent stuff, and it coming out as not enough of both and half-baked.
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I'd mostly agree with that, except I really like LT for the most part.
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I like Linkin Park quite a bit. I like Minutes To Midnight, definitely doesn't have as much of a metal sounds as the ones before, but very impressive. But Thousand Suns, I'v gotta say that's the best work they have done. I have not heard their latest, so i don't know how it compares, but i'd hope it's like Thousand Suns or just as unique.
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Actually LT to me sounds like them trying to mash the way old sound with the more recent stuff, and it coming out as not enough of both and half-baked.
Indeed, except for Lost In the Echo, which is just 100% awesome.
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I liked LT, but I thought the first half was stronger than the second half. The second half of that album was a hit or miss for me.
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I thought LT was pretty enjoyable overall. If I were to rank the albums, I would probably place it at nr4. Powerless is the big stand out for me, I really loved that song. First half has some great songs as well. To expand on my opinions on ATS, I feel like the album has a whole has a nice flow and you can tell they put effort into it, so that it would feel like a cohesive and consistent album, unlike a collection of 10-11 songs, but for me there weren't enough standout songs. It's like a big chunk of okayness with one or two nice songs in it.
The albums I revisit the most are Meteora and Minutes to Midnight, their two best imo. Hybrid Theory is a solid number three, and I revisit that one almost more for nostalgic reasons, being the first album I ever owned and listened to in full. It's still a really good debut album.
I'll also add that despite some hate, I actually really enjoy Reanimation. Some of the versions on it are actually better than the normal versions IMO, but it also has a few I don't care for as much. But compared to something like Collision Course, I really like Reanimation.
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I liked LIES GREED MISERY and CASTLE OF GLASS, but that's pretty much it.
And there's hate for Reanimation? That's probably my favorite album of the nu-metal era.
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I hated Reanimation when it came out. Hated it. I knew it was a remix album before going in and, having heard a few remixes of their songs prior to the album's release, I thought 'Hey, this could be cool.'
I got the album and apparently none of the actual songs on the album proper could compete with those few amateur remixes I got off of the internet beforehand. I remember there being one or two songs that were kinda cool, but most were unmemorable or outright terrible. It certainly didn't help that the album was an hour's worth of, at best, utter mediocrity.
One of the great things about Hybrid Theory was that it was nice and short with enough great songs and variety to keep the momentum moving and it was just long enough to keep you wanting more and Reanimation had none of that.
Reanimation was the first album I ever consciously got rid of because I didn't like it that much.
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What amateur remixes? I'd love to hear about them. Because since then, honestly, it's been the opposite. And what sucked about the recent Living Things remix album was that it was basically a collection of inoffensive amateur-style remixes.
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I get the impression the their most recent albums is more like their first 2 records, with elements of MTM, from what i'v heard. I'd rather they stick to what they did on Thousand Suns. What is the general opinion on that album by Linkin Park fans? I think it's their most impressive and original work.
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I believe you can just scroll a few posts up to see most of our thought on ATS.
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heh, yes i could, but sometimes 11 pages of posts are just too much..
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My thoughts?
Here's my ranking (minus the remixes)
Meteora
Hybrid
Living Things / Minutes
ATS
I just didn't like ATS. It did nothing for me but annoy the shit out of me because my ex, who loved it, did nothing but talk about the album like it was the greatest thing on earth since sliced bread.
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heh, yes i could, but sometimes 11 pages of posts are just too much..
I wasn't suggesting you read the entire thread, I'm saying we were just discussing ATS a few posts up.
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No.
Read the ENTIRE THING.
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I appreciate ATS the most because, for the most part, the songs don't follow the same formula LP is known for. And everyone knows the LP formula. With ATS though, i did not see that formula in use. I'm assuming the newer one goes back to it, but i may be wrong.
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I love the old Linkin Park formula. I listen to LP to take me back to being 14 and in highschool. It's a nostalgia thing for me :lol
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What amateur remixes? I'd love to hear about them. Because since then, honestly, it's been the opposite. And what sucked about the recent Living Things remix album was that it was basically a collection of inoffensive amateur-style remixes.
I honestly don't know anymore. I pulled some off of Kazaa back in the day and I no longer have them. There were tons on Kazaa back then and I only downloaded a few. I remember getting one of "In The End" that was pretty cool, but then again it was much closer to the original than what appeared on Reanimation.
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I'll be honest, I have no interest in remixs whatsoever, especially not an entire album of them.
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I listen to LP to take me back to being 14 and in highschool. It's a nostalgia thing for me :lol
I think anyone who first got into Linkin Park during the Hybrid Theory/Meteora era feel nostalgic when listening to those albums, myself included. Except when I listen to old school LP, it takes me back to 4th grade :lol
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That was 7th and 8th grade for me. I hated middle school, but I loved that shit.
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Scratch that.... it was Jr High when my brother burnt me a copy of Meteora. (I discovered CKY in High School.... Linkin Park, CKY and Green Day were my main non parental influenced musical loves when I was like 12-15)
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I got into them when Hybrid Theory was released with In The End music video. I bought Meteora when that got released and instantly fell in love with Breaking The Habit. I was in 5th/6th grade at the time.
I Still enjoy those songs, but haven't really listened to their newer albums.
Fort Minor has excellent laid back jams. Red to Black, and Kenji.
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So i heard something about Chester, but i didn't read the full article. I heard he's now the lead singer of Stone Temple Pilots? Someone explain this to me, rather then googling it ;p Is he their full-time singer, or just a replacement for live shows and stuff? How will this effect LP?
I'v also always wondered how LP's music was written. Like, who comes up with the most idea's? Does Chester write just melodies/lyrics or actual riffs etc. on demo beforehand. LP has always struck me as being quite different then, say, Maiden, in the way they produce/write their stuff.
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I think it's a pretty full band effort with LP, but I believe Mike Shinoda has quite a lot of the ideas. Might be wrong about that though.
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1. Chester is their guest singer for touring, but their shows together have since ended due to Linkin Park being in the studio.
2. The music is a band effort, but as far as lyrics Chester and Mike are a sort of Lennon-McCartney duo.
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But I'd stone temple pilots want to continue, is there a good chance he might become an official member?
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But I'd stone temple pilots want to continue, is there a good chance he might become an official member?
Considering they've released at least one song with him already, it wouldn't surprise me.
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Linkin Park has been one of my favorite bands since I was about 5 or 6. A Thousand Suns is a fantastic album but personally I prefer Minutes to Midnight. I'm very excited about the new album though!
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I'll just leave this here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OeWLFPx2kM
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I'll just leave this here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OeWLFPx2kM
Damn that was pretty sick, hopefully good signs for album 6!
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WOAH that song was actually pretty good. Reminds me of Sum 41, sort of. And the tuning and instrumentation sounds reminiscent of City of Evil A7X. Odd for LP, but... actually kind of awesome.
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Linkin Park: The Hunting Party
June 17th
(https://www.lpassociation.com/upload/images/040914-101730_1397053470LP_Cover.jpg)
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Lets hope for a good album. :)
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How often are these guys releasing albums? Right now it feels like they're pumping them out on maximum speed.
Which of course isn't necessarily bad thing.
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Living Things was 2 years ago, so I guess not THAT long ago. I remember when I was at the peak of my LP fanboyness, around Meteora when it felt like ages between Meteora and Minutes to Midnight. So it's quite nice to see them releasing the albums a bit more regularly now.
I guess it was only like 4 years between Meteora and Minutes to Midnight, but around that time my whole life almost revolved around the band and their music, so I guess it felt longer. :lol
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Living Things was 2 years ago, so I guess not THAT long ago. I remember when I was at the peak of my LP fanboyness, around Meteora when it felt like ages between Meteora and Minutes to Midnight. So it's quite nice to see them releasing the albums a bit more regularly now.
I guess it was only like 4 years between Meteora and Minutes to Midnight, but around that time my whole life almost revolved around the band and their music, so I guess it felt longer. :lol
That's true, but for a band that had just barely begun to solidify itself, it was kind of a long wait. Like yeah, they were mega-popular by the time of Hybrid Theory even, but until MtM came out, it seemed they were going the way of Alien Ant Farm and Adema, where they popped onto the scene, did their thing, and would disappear without a trace.
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Yeah I agree 100%. I remember being pretty frustrated at the time, because Hybrid Theory and Meteora was such a strong start for the band, but then it just kinda felt like they stopped. I remember Collision Course being very frustrating, I enjoyed it back then, but I don't really like it now. However, I will say that the Underground-series the band has been releasing frequently is a great idea. I remember always enjoying those releases (some more than others), and we did get some nice B-sides and cool live versions.
I'm still slightly bummed over the general opinions on Minutes to Midnight though. I really like that album.
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Wowee, awesome cover (and title)! I didn't get all that into the new song, but I have no expectations or hopes for this one, I'll just see if I like it when it comes out.
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Yeah I agree 100%. I remember being pretty frustrated at the time, because Hybrid Theory and Meteora was such a strong start for the band, but then it just kinda felt like they stopped. I remember Collision Course being very frustrating, I enjoyed it back then, but I don't really like it now. However, I will say that the Underground-series the band has been releasing frequently is a great idea. I remember always enjoying those releases (some more than others), and we did get some nice B-sides and cool live versions.
I'm still slightly bummed over the general opinions on Minutes to Midnight though. I really like that album.
Yeah, I remember actually when Chester was starting up Dead By Sunrise (then Snow White Tan) and Mike came out with Fort Minor, and they were having all these legal problems with WB, how everybody was talking about how the band was probably going to break up. And fast forward almost a decade, and both of those projects are dead and they're almost out of their WB contract. :lol
Anyway, it's funny you mention Collision Course 'cause I hated it for years; I've only just started coming around to it in the last year or so. Same with Fort Minor actually (I don't love it, but it's not actually as bad as most people make it out to be). As for the Underground series, that's actually annual. I had a free month of membership with my copy of Living Things, but sadly it expired without my using it. I didn't want to have to spend money on all the Underground CDs I was missing, but needless to say I'm regretting it now.
I hear ya on MtM. I'm sure I must've voiced this opinion here before, having been one of the people who didn't like it, but I think actually the songs individually are great. I don't know what it is, whether the ordering or the similarity in tone or what, but as much as I actually love most of the tracks, even now I can't actually get through the album. Something about it doesn't work for me when it's all together.
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I wish Mike had done more with Fort Minor, I really enjoyed the album.
Though, obviously I'm glad LP continues to exist.
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Living Things was 2 years ago
Seriously? Wow. I didn't check before I made that previous post, but it definetely doesn't feel like it was that long ago. It almost felt like the dust had barely settled after A Thousand Suns when Living Things was announced, and same between LT and this one. Does Linkin Park alter my perception of time or something?
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I really like Fort Minor as well. I feel like Mike has a great talent for writing good hip hop, and he made some really catchy songs.
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Living Things was 2 years ago
Seriously? Wow. I didn't check before I made that previous post, but it definetely doesn't feel like it was that long ago. It almost felt like the dust had barely settled after A Thousand Suns when Living Things was announced, and same between LT and this one. Does Linkin Park alter my perception of time or something?
Albums that came out five years ago still feel new to me, but I usually chalk it up to time feeling faster once you're older.
Loving that cover art.
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Time does freaking fly. It feels like they just released Living Things and I remember when Living Things was released, it felt like they had just released ATS...
Album every 2 years is very standard though. DT does the same :)
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That first song definitely sounds promising. I'll definitely check out the album when it comes out.
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I heard somewhere that the new album is going to have more of a "90's" rock sound. I don't really know what to expect. Do they mean it will have a Grunge sound to it? Maybe the Stone Temple Pilots situation has had an impact on LP ;p
I'd like to hear more heavy metal guitar on the new one. I like to electronic sound of the last couple, but they need to bring in more metal like the old stuff. I'll be really disappointed if they don't.
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Supposedly it's going to sound more punkish, like the stuff that inspired them when they started the band.
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I've seen a few videos of the band talking about the new album and it seems cool. The band seems very excited about what they have done, and hopefully it will be cool. While I don't see a new album being among my favorites of the year, LP is the band I hold closest to my heart in terms of oldschool nostalgia. As long as a new album is good, I'm happy. It doesn't have to be AOTY-material, I'm just happy to hear them evolve and hear new things. :)
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These days, it seems to be the exception, rather than the rule when established bands such as LP take only two years between albums. Of course, much of that time is put into touring, but not always. As DT fans, we're pretty fortunate that the band has such a great work ethic that we're always seeing something new from them, whether on tour or from the studio.
The video I caught earlier in the thread looks promising for the band. Let's hope they got this electronica shit out of their system, as it was REALLY dragging them down and making them very hard to listen to.
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These days, it seems to be the exception, rather than the rule when established bands such as LP take only two years between albums. Of course, much of that time is put into touring, but not always. As DT fans, we're pretty fortunate that the band has such a great work ethic that we're always seeing something new from them, whether on tour or from the studio.
The video I caught earlier in the thread looks promising for the band. Let's hope they got this electronica shit out of their system, as it was REALLY dragging them down and making them very hard to listen to.
You must be new.
1. Linkin Park has been picking up pace, with ATS being followed by LT just two years later, and now THP two years after that.
2. Linkin Park has all but said the electronic phase is behind them - they're doing something a bit closer to punk now.
3. If anything, that "electronica shit" was what rekindled my interest in them after being disappointed by MtM.
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ATS and even LT are far greater records than their predecessors.
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ATS and even LT are far greater records than their predecessors.
This guy! :tup
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And I say that as someone who really likes LP's other albums. The first time I heard ATS, I didn't like it at all since it was so different from the stuff I was used to. One of the biggest "grower" albums I've heard.
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ATS was hands down the album that renewed my faith in Linkin Park. I didn't like it the first listen, but fell in love with it the second time. MtM just hasn't grown on me in that way. Anyway, we finally have some news:
1 - Keys To The Kingdom
2 - All For Nothing (feat. Page Hamilton)
3 - Guilty All The Same (feat. Rakim)
4 - The Summoning
5 - War
6 - Wastelands
7 - Until It's Gone
8 - Rebellion (feat. Daron Malakian)
9 - Mark The Graves
10 - Drawbar (feat. Tom Morello)
11 - Final Masquerade
12 - A Line In The Sand
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Oh yeah, I saw that earlier today. Definitely looking for to seeing Malakian's and Morello's contributions.
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I'm just ready for this album to drop already. Oh, and in other news, apparently Until It's Gone will be the next single.
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LP is supposed to have done the soundtrack for a movie called "Mall", that was directed by one of the bandmembers. When i heard this I assumed it would be only insturmental, and that i imaged it not REALLY being doing by LP because Chester probably wouldn't have a big part of it. But apparently there will be some vocals on the soundtrack.
As a side note, the movie is based on the novel 'Mall' by Eric Bogosian, and i read the book about 5 years ago or so, and it has always been one of my all time favorite novels. It's an amazing book and highly recommended :)
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Yes, The Mall is something that's been in progress for a while now. If you're interested in soundtracks, Mike Shinoda did the one for The Raid: Redemption, which is all-instrumental, with the exception of Razors Out.
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I'm sure the new LP will be good, but I get kind of tired of bands featuring too many other artists. When I buy a Linkin Park CD, I want to listen to Linkin Park. Featuring an artist on one song here and there can be cool, but four songs? I feel like that breaks the flow too much. It could turn out to be awesome and I'll kick myself for saying this later, but I really dislike this trend.
Unless you're Ayreon and massive amounts of featured artists are already part of your sound.
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Although I have to say that the Rakim part of Guilty All the Same is quite good. And the whole point behind the guests on this one is these are all musicians Linkin Park members were listening to as kids, and they're trying to evoke that sound on this album.
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I was actually thinking the same thing regarding having many featured artists. I feel like most of the times, the artist featured doesn't always blend into the song that well, and many of those sections come off as pretty jarring. Basically anytime Jay-Z appears as a featured artist in any song and completely butchers the song with a few verses. :lol But regarding this album, I would have preferred less featured artists, but I'll still go in open minded, and I have a feeling LP won't disappoint me anyways.
I'm actually pretty pumped for this album, which surprises me. Maybe it's just the fact that summer is coming, I'm getting a bit nostalgic (over LP) and they have a new album coming out. There's 3 or 4 other major albums coming out in May and June that I think will be higher up on 2014 charts for me, but I still have a lot of excitement for the new LP. :)
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ATS is amazing and all the haters should shut their faces.
Also, looking forward to the new album. Yeah, I get what you're saying about guest appearances, but both Daron and Tom Morello are people that I really really look forward to hearing their contributions to the Linkin Park sound.
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ATS is amazing and all the haters should shut their faces.
Also, looking forward to the new album. Yeah, I get what you're saying about guest appearances, but both Daron and Tom Morello are people that I really really look forward to hearing their contributions to the Linkin Park sound.
:tup :tup :metal Love dat Morello geetar. Love dat Daron voice.
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WHYDOTHEYALWAYSSENDTHEPOOR
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CHIIIINEEEEESE TRICKS IN ROOMS WITH GHOSTS OF HOOKER GIRLY DOODS
MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
ANNND HEROINE
:heart
/deviation
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Fuck me, I wanna hear Daron and LP together.
LT was a beastly album, so glad they can still write music like that this late in their career. And that album cover is awesome.
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If you want to hear the song Wasteland, Mike Shinoda just leaked it yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7DmjpE-S00
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Nice
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I love it, but I'm really hyped by the latest descriptions of album opener Keys to the Kingdom.
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It's okay, but it has all been heard before. I'd love for them to do something different instead of repeating the same formula for basically every song.
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Wastelands was a good song. Better than anything on their latest album. I tried to listen to it and turned if off because I couldn't make myself care.
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It's okay, but it has all been heard before. I'd love for them to do something different instead of repeating the same formula for basically every song.
It has been heard before and not years ago but very recently. The chorus is basically the same as "Guilty all the same" :facepalm:
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Yeah, my first thought too. Not very creative of them.
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Bumping. Well, the album is leaked on iTunes. I took a listen to it. I'm not really a casual fan, but I gave this a listen after their performance at Rock AM Ring (which was pretty good, despite some shorten versions of their songs in the set). Overall, some parts of this album is surprisingly aggressive-sounding especially when parts of that aggression came from Chester's vocals. It's decent enough for me to listen to aside from the choruses in some of the songs sounding similar. Mark The Graves, Final Masquerade, Guilty All The Same, Wastelands (yes, I like that song), and A Line In The Sand are the early favorites for me.
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I have only heard the album once (so take this comment with a grain of salt), but this album is a return to form. I don't wanna get into a talk about the quality, because I like their three more recent albums (MTM, ATS and LT), but this new album has a certain energy and aggressiveness that has been lacking in their music since the oldschool days. Right off the first song, this feels like oldschool LP. But not oldschool as in "the same kind of music", this feels like a natural progression of the previous albums, but with a heavier edge. Just from the first listen alone, this gave a much bigger impact than ATS or LT did.
It just sounds so organic. Again, not bashing on previous albums, but the band had started to soften up, and ATS and LT are kinda albums you expect from a band who are starting to "fade away" in their career. Hunting Party brings back the metal. Within the first few seconds of the opening track you have Chester screaming and you have ELECTRIC GUITARS. And boy oh boy is it glorious. :hefdaddy
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I've listened to it. It's very good. I put it on equal ground with ATS as my favorite Linkin Park album (so far). Favorite tracks so far are Keys to the Kingdom, Mark the Graves, and Wastelands.
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Yeah, this album is a huge step forward for the band. It's sort of a return to roots, but also it still feels different and unique from their oldest works. I'm really loving the aggressive approach and the way they brought the rock and metal back into their sound, it's been missing for a good while.
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Some people on the LP forum I haunt have noted that in some ways, THP is actually heavier than a lot of their earlier stuff. Someone mentioned that tracks on this album are faster than Given Up, which was pretty scream-y and crunch-y for its time.
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I'm digging the album. I wasn't too sure at first, some of the songs fell a bit flat for me but they've been growing, especially the opener.
I don't think it's nearly as good as ATS, and probably not as good as Living Things either, but it's a solid album probably roughly on a par with their first two, and miles ahead of MTM.
In a way, the album reminds me slightly of MTM, with a slightly punky attitude in some of the songs, but here the band are much grittier and engaging, and some of the melodies are great. Feels like this is what MTM should have been in the first place!
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I've only heard the song on the radio and I'm pleased. I haven't really closely followed LP for several years, but I'm now interested in this album!
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Rebellion with Daron Malakian = holy shit i am nu-metal fanboying like an idiot
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Haha yeah, as soon as that song started I thought "hang on, this sounds like SOAD"!
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The intro riff sounds like something straight off from Toxicity or Steal This Album-era SOAD. It's pretty cool.
I would say my favorites on the album are: A Line in the Sand, Keys to the Kingdom, Mark the Graves, All For Nothing and Guilty All the Same. Overall the album is really good, nice to see them back with some energy. I don't really dislike any of the songs, though I have minor issues with a few. The chorus for Wastelands doesn't do it for me, but the song overall is not bad, and has some really great riffs. Final Masquerade seems to be a favorite for some, personally it kinda just flies by. Rebellion and War are great as well.
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Was expecting prominent Daron vocals on that song but his force was felt already on the song.
Just listened to the whole thing, very different from LT in that it feels like a fun album, whereas LT was very serious. Love both sides of LP though.
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In one word I would probably describe this album as 'uninspired'.
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What's up with the crappy sounding drums/guitars? I appreciate a lot the Hybrid Theory sound approach, but that albums sounds so much better it's ridiculous. I loved both A Thousand Suns and Living Things for many reasons and as far as sound goes in their electronic domain, they sounded blissful.
That being said, I would rank this album above Minutes to Midnight but not higher than Hybrid Theory, Meteora, A Thousand Suns and Living Things. Maybe it will grow on me, and I hope it does because I normally love this band's output.
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I'm digging the album. I wasn't too sure at first, some of the songs fell a bit flat for me but they've been growing, especially the opener.
I don't think it's nearly as good as ATS, and probably not as good as Living Things either, but it's a solid album probably roughly on a par with their first two, and miles ahead of MTM.
In a way, the album reminds me slightly of MTM, with a slightly punky attitude in some of the songs, but here the band are much grittier and engaging, and some of the melodies are great. Feels like this is what MTM should have been in the first place!
Get back to me once you've heard Keys to the Kingdom and Rebellion cranked up in your stereo. I can't wait to hear those live.
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Yeah, don't like this one as much. I kind of had the feeling this one would be hit or miss with me since I really don't like MTM or this kind of style they do very much. It's not bad, it's just not my thing; nothing has caught on for me and to be honest I didn't even finish the album. Ink says it best, it feels uninspired at times. S'all good though, this guarantees I'll like their next one. :lol
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I'd probably rank the albums something like this atm:
Minutes to Midnight
Meteora
Hybrid Theory/The Hunting Party
Living Things
A Thousand Suns
If Collision Course counts it would be dead last
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Wow... yours is like literally the exact opposite of mine Jimmy. :lol
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My ranking:
1. A Thousand Suns
the others
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A Thousand Suns has started to click a bit more for me, but it's still not quite there yet. It kinda bothers me that 6 or 7 songs on the album are filler/interlude songs around or shorter than 2 minutes. I don't get the deal with having two of those tracks in a row in the beginning either. It has worked great on MtM or Meteora with a short intro, and I like the first song on ATS, but then it segues into another filler instead of straight into the first main song.
If we're just talking about the proper songs, ATS actually has some good stuff on it. I really like Burning in the Skies, Robot Boy, Blackout, Iridescent and The Catalyst. But apart from those there's some pretty meh stuff as well. The Messenger is probably their most underwhelming closing track, and songs like When They Come For Me and Waiting For the End are just kinda there.
And regarding MtM, it always baffles me when people rank that album last. I don't think there's a single weak song on it, and it also has some of their best. At least 50% of the album isn't filler/interludes.
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I hate Meteora.
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Wow really? :o Why? I mean, not in a condescending way or anything, but really just curious. I could see someone disliking it because they don't like the nu-metal rap/metal mix, but then Hybrid Theory should also be mentioned. So I'm generally curious why someone would like one of them and "hate" the other.
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I love Hybrid Theory, don't get me wrong. But Meteora was such a bland rehash of the same. I love Easier to Run and Sessions, both unpopular songs to love off that album, but that's because they both reflect the album Meteora was supposed to be. Linkin Park actually wrote an entirely different album prior to the one that we got - the record label made them scrap the whole thing. Small traces of it are available on more recent LPU releases.
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Okay. :) It's hard to argue with Meteora being the same album as Hybrid Theory, though for me personally it was released during my hight of fandom for the band, and I feel like it was better overall.
What do you guys think of the band's comments about The Hunting Party being a "twin" to Hybrid Theory? They talked about it and how they have structured the album, and I think they have similar feels to them. Both albums start out with some strong songs that will hit you in the face, Until It's Gone, for good or bad is basically this album's In the End - the radio hit you will hear being played a lot. (Again, not based on quality but they both appear in the middle of the album and both have that radio appeal) A Line in the Sand has a similar grandiose feeling that Pushing Me Away has, even though it's closer to the live/extended version of Pushing Me Away which is more of an anthem song compared to the 3 minute album version. There's some other similarities I've noticed as well but these were just some thoughts.
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This hasn't clicked yet. I thought Hybrid Theory and Meteora featured some very good songs with interesting harmonies in them. This, from a 'chords' perspective sounds very simple and 'punk' like. I can see why some would dig the hell out of it though.
At least it's not as bland as Living Things. Mind you, I was pretty impressed with A Thousand Suns so it's not the style that is a problem for me.
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I don't think THP is anything like HT or Meteora. Meteora will always be my favorite for a few different reasons, one being that slight edge nostalgia usually gives something, and the other being the atmosphere and aura of Meteora. I don't think that, with the exception of ATS, the guys have created anything as cohesive and structured as Meteora. It's got an entire vibe that permeates throughout and I haven't felt that ever since that album. But as I said, ATS gave me a bit of that feeling that all the songs fit nicely together and flowed very well. With THP especially, it feels like they just threw together the best songs of their jams, to me. It doesn't feel intentionally constructed to me nor, as Ink put it, all that inspired.
This is all just what I feel from the albums, I know a lot of people love this new one and say it harkens back to the old LP. I didn't get that at all. But it's one of the reasons why I still enjoy LP, they're constantly trying out something new and trying to mold their sound differently than the last album. So even if I don't enjoy an album as much as I did the last, I can still look forward to the next (for a while, anyway) and know it'll probably be a different beast. I do however really like Rebellion, and kinda figured it'd be my favorite off the album since I've got a sudowoodo for Daron. But even so, that's just because it sounds like I'm listening to a SOAD song feat. LP. :lol I just prefer the more electronic side of LP, by far.
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Okay. :) It's hard to argue with Meteora being the same album as Hybrid Theory, though for me personally it was released during my hight of fandom for the band, and I feel like it was better overall.
What do you guys think of the band's comments about The Hunting Party being a "twin" to Hybrid Theory? They talked about it and how they have structured the album, and I think they have similar feels to them. Both albums start out with some strong songs that will hit you in the face, Until It's Gone, for good or bad is basically this album's In the End - the radio hit you will hear being played a lot. (Again, not based on quality but they both appear in the middle of the album and both have that radio appeal) A Line in the Sand has a similar grandiose feeling that Pushing Me Away has, even though it's closer to the live/extended version of Pushing Me Away which is more of an anthem song compared to the 3 minute album version. There's some other similarities I've noticed as well but these were just some thoughts.
I used to love Meteora; over the years it lost its luster, and then ATS came out.
Also, I would personally liken Final Masquerade more to In the End. Until It's Gone is this album's Crawling.
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I think the fact alone that they opened up their broom closets and brought out the guitars for the first time in a decade (small exaggeration) is reason enough for people to compare the new stuff to the old stuff.
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I bought the new album today. Which is kind of a personal landmark for me, as Hybrid Theory was the first album I ever bought, and the only LP album I owned. First purchase of a Linkin Park album in 14 years!
Will try to fill in the gap soon enough.
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I'm not a big fan of Linkin Park, but i'm digging this album a lot. Probably this will end up as one of my albums of the year.
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Fuck me
Apparently Linkin Park is headlining the main stage at my local Warped Tour stop today. As in right now. As in... Fuck.
Too bad I have no interest in Warped Tour.
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Seeing them August 30th on the Carnivores Tour. I'm so pumped.
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I'm almost surprised by how much I have been spinning this, but it is a really great album. I would say some of the best songs they've done in probably 7-8 years at least. Not the whole album, but even the worst songs are still pretty good. Keys to the Kingdom, Mark the Graves and A Line in the Sand would be my top3. All those songs are just amazing. I would add that All For Nothing, Guilty All the Same and Rebellion are not that far behind.
Curious, how would you guys rank the guest appearances? I would have to go with this:
Page Hamilton > Daron Malakian > Rakim > Tom Morello
I kinda like all of them though, but Tom Morello is pretty underwhelming. I like Drawbar as a song/idea, but the guest appearance feels slightly wasted. The other 3 are really great tho.
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I can't pick out Hamilton's singing, but then I've never really listened to his material. Rakim is my favorite though, closely followed by Daron Malakian.
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Hamilton sings the chorus. :angel:
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I'm almost surprised by how much I have been spinning this, but it is a really great album. I would say some of the best songs they've done in probably 7-8 years at least. Not the whole album, but even the worst songs are still pretty good. Keys to the Kingdom, Mark the Graves and A Line in the Sand would be my top3. All those songs are just amazing. I would add that All For Nothing, Guilty All the Same and Rebellion are not that far behind.
Curious, how would you guys rank the guest appearances? I would have to go with this:
Page Hamilton > Daron Malakian > Rakim > Tom Morello
I kinda like all of them though, but Tom Morello is pretty underwhelming. I like Drawbar as a song/idea, but the guest appearance feels slightly wasted. The other 3 are really great tho.
I fell off from these guys a bit but reading your post makes want to spin this now.
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Hamilton sings the chorus. :angel:
That's just him alone? See I thought it was Mike and Chester for some reason. :P
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I remember either reading or seeing an interview with Mike and Chester where they talked about the song, said they wrote it with Mike or Chester doing the chorus, but that it had a Helmet-vibe and they got Hamilton in to sing it. So the end result as far as I know is Hamilton singing the chorus, and Chester doing the backing vocal-part of the chorus. :hat
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Rakim > Daron > Morello > Hamilton.
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I like the album. The only think I'm really having a problem with is that some of the song transitions where a completely different tune plays, or there's band banter of some little kid's talking. Kind of kills the flow for me.
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That's not new for LP though. They've done that on most of their albums, so I'm kinda used to it by now, even though in many cases it is pretty unnecessary.
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I actually kinda liked 'em, the transitions. I wish they would do more of that instead of interludes, so the interludes could be actual instrumentals instead.
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I skipped frmo page 2 since to the last page. How things change over 4 years.
Okay, new discussion topic: Rank the albums. I'm gonna include the Hybrid Theory EP, if only because I feel it encompasses a unique sound that allows it to be a separate entity in the LP discography.
1. Meteora - I thought this album was the most "interesting," and very experimental compared to HT's moshfest.
2. Hybrid Theory EP - Same as Meteora, this album strikes me as the most "different" of the early era.
3. Hybrid Theory - Let's face it; most of us wouldn't be fans of LP if it weren't for this album. The songs are very solid, well-constructed, and in many cases quite catchy.
4. Reanimation - This is definitely the less desirable half. The remixes are cool, but honestly, they could never have stood alone without the release of HT.
5. Minutes to Midnight - It's pretty bad, but there are a couple of nice songs, like What I've Done and No More Sorrow.
6. Collision Course - The worst thing LP could ever have done was mash-ups with Jay-Z, simple as that. That's not a comment about either artist; they just don't jive well.
I hate Meteora.
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Daron > Hamilton > Rakim > Morello
Morello may as well not be on the album, which sucks because I was expecting a lot more seeing his name on there.
Just spun this album again, so fucking good.
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I skipped frmo page 2 since to the last page. How things change over 4 years.
Okay, new discussion topic: Rank the albums. I'm gonna include the Hybrid Theory EP, if only because I feel it encompasses a unique sound that allows it to be a separate entity in the LP discography.
1. Meteora - I thought this album was the most "interesting," and very experimental compared to HT's moshfest.
2. Hybrid Theory EP - Same as Meteora, this album strikes me as the most "different" of the early era.
3. Hybrid Theory - Let's face it; most of us wouldn't be fans of LP if it weren't for this album. The songs are very solid, well-constructed, and in many cases quite catchy.
4. Reanimation - This is definitely the less desirable half. The remixes are cool, but honestly, they could never have stood alone without the release of HT.
5. Minutes to Midnight - It's pretty bad, but there are a couple of nice songs, like What I've Done and No More Sorrow.
6. Collision Course - The worst thing LP could ever have done was mash-ups with Jay-Z, simple as that. That's not a comment about either artist; they just don't jive well.
I hate Meteora.
Yes, it really is amazing. Not only that Meteora is one of my least favorites now, but that Reanimation has a permanent place at #2. While I still think Hybrid Theory is a solid album, I now consider the Reanimation versions of those songs by far superior (except in the cases of Points of Authority, Papercut, and One Step Closer).
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LP used to be one of my favorite bands growing up. After Minutes to Midnight they went downhill, though, so I rarely listen to them anymore. I'll rank the albums.
1. Hybrid Theory- Easily one of the best Nu metal albums of all time. That might not be saying much, but I enjoy this album as much as my other favorite albums by other bands.
2. Minutes to Midnight- Some say their decline started here, and yes, while there's about 3 songs on here I can't stand, most of it is among the best stuff they've done.
3. Collision Course- I know it's not really an album, but this Jay Z mash up was really good, even though I despise rap.
4. Meteora- Overrated. The songs all sound the same to me, however "Lying From You" might be one of the best LP songs ever. Some are really good here, but some of it screams filler material.
5. Living Things- Sort of a return to form, sort of not. Things are started to look good from here. Hopefully they can get back on track.
6. A Thousand Suns- Mostly garbage, with the exception of Wretches and Kings, which is amazing.
Haven't heard their new one yet, but I'm not really going out of my way to get a copy of it.
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I understand why someone could hate A Thousand Suns, but I find it easily as one of their top 3. Daring, exciting and totally amazing. I love singing along to Waiting for the End, Iridescent and Catalyst.
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ATS is the best them.
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I think it needs no explanation. it's just my opinion.
Albums that i like, in this order:
A Thousand Suns
The Hunting Party
Minutes to Midnight
Hibrid Theory
Albums that don't do anything for me (but have a couple of cool songs)
Meteora
Living Things
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Whoa. :lol It's awesome to see the massive difference in opinions over the albums. I think that's a shining point to LP. As I stated earlier, I'm a bit disappointed that I don't like THP all that much, but the next album might end up being my favorite for all I know. It's a double-edged sword to have that kind of diversity, but I really like that aspect of LP even if it's an actual downfall to me personally. It's at the very least more exciting to discuss and to ponder the future projects than to have a stagnant rehash every time.
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ATS is the best them.
Seriously. It was such a huge step forward for them, and I hope that they'll do the same sort of pushing the envelope with their "new" punk sound.
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ATS might click for me eventually, but like half the album are interlude tracks. And out of the other half, maybe half of those tracks are actually any good. I kinda like the idea of them doing a concept album, but the result could have been better. For me it's probably one of their most cohesive/consistent albums in terms of flow, but if you ask me for standout tracks, I would be drawing a blank real soon. Even from Living Things I could easily name 3-4 standout tracks.
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The reason it doesn't have "standout tracks" is that they're pretty much all bloody brilliant.
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The reason it doesn't have "standout tracks" is that they're pretty much all bloody brilliant.
Nah.
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The reason it doesn't have "standout tracks" is that they're pretty much all bloody brilliant.
Nah.
Yeah. :coolio
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I always listen to ATS all the way through, so the concept of standout tracks is mostly irrelevant to me.
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I always listen to ATS all the way through, so the concept of standout tracks is mostly irrelevant to me.
So do I, but I think songs like Iridescent and Waiting For The End are high tier tracks on their own.
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Yeah, ATS is really an album that needs to be listening to in one setting. Though that doesn't mean that it doesn't have standout songs, like The Requiem / The Radiance / Burning in the Skies, Waiting for the End, When They Come For Me or The Catalyst.
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I actually think ATS is a pretty great album overall, I just don't see why people put it on such a pedestal. But it's also quite a weird album. I believe it's the lowest rated LP album on many rating-sites (like Sputnik/RYM) but while it has many haters, the people who like it.. REALLY like it. It's interesting.
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Definitely their most controversial album. I actually didn't like it when I first heard it, but it grew on me.
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I remembered when The Catalyst came out as a single, at first I wasn't quite sure what to think. Then a few months later, the Waiting For The End video came out and I remembered loving the video so much that it convinced me to give the album a chance. Once I was able to get a copy of the album, I gave it a listen straight through, and after about three listens, I fell in love with it. I also remembered seeing them for the first and so far only time as a non-festival headliner on that tour, and it was a memorable show IMO with the stage set and live visuals that accompanied the songs on the album, etc.
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Waiting for the end is their best achievment to date. I highly doubt they can do a better song in the future. I hope they prove me wrong.
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Apparently Chester has commited suicide...
https://www.tmz.com/2017/07/20/linkin-park-singer-chester-bennington-dead-commits-suicide/ (https://www.tmz.com/2017/07/20/linkin-park-singer-chester-bennington-dead-commits-suicide/)
R.I.P.
Haven't seen any other reports, but I assume that TMZ (unfortunately) is correct, as much as I don't want to believe this.
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RIP :(
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I hope this isn't true and if it is I hope it's not because so many people were being vicious about their dislike of One More Light. I didn't like the album much either, but people were being absolutely cruel to the band over it.
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Saw a link on Facebook on a friend's post - it might be a fake.
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Saw a link on Facebook on a friend's post - it might be a fake.
I sure hope so... Unfortunately tmz has a very good trackrecord in breaking the news on these type of things I have heard (Prince, MJ, Paul Walker etc.).
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What the fuck
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Dude had a wife and 6 kids... feel terrible for them.
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Can rock stars please stop fucking offing themselves?
Mmmkay?
Christ. Condolences to the Bennington family. Just awful
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If its fake, that's messed up on TMZ's end.
It says he struggled with addiction and was close friends with Cornell (today is his birthday). He must've had a lot in his mind, plus people bashing their new stuff doesn't help at all.
I doubt anyone expected this.
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Wow...
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It's reported on the BBC's website, too.
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Yeah, other sources have come up. An LA coroner verified it to the ascociated press it seems... https://twitter.com/AP/status/888106873659969536 (https://twitter.com/AP/status/888106873659969536)
:(
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Can rock stars please stop fucking offing themselves?
Mmmkay?
Christ. Condolences to the Bennington family. Just awful
Ditto.
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Jesus fucking Christ.
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Just... I have no words... literally... and I don't believe that happened yet...
:'(
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Can rock stars please stop fucking offing themselves?
Mmmkay?
Christ. Condolences to the Bennington family. Just awful
Part of me is angry at these situations for the reason that they leave so many people behind, but I don't think people who commit suicide can still think clearly. Chester was abused as a child, had drug problems, has had several friends in his youth that commited suicide/died, and recently his good friend Chris Cornell also commited suicide (who's birthday was today). I think it is tragic his life went this route, but especially for child abuse victims suicide is not uncommon, so who am I to judge them.
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Not a LP fan, but that is horrible. :(
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Another left field suicide. I would have never guessed.
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Looks like they were about to start a tour next week. I don't understand how fucked in the head you have to be to kill yourself but I understand the anger. 6 kids, his band-mates, his fan, etc. have all been fucked by his decision to kill himself.
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Every 2000's kid knows at least a couple of Linkin Park songs by heart. They were huge back in the day. I was never a big fan, but I always respected them. From what little I know of Chester, he seemed like a decent dude. Really sad to hear this.
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Looks like they were about to start a tour next week. I don't understand how fucked in the head you have to be to kill yourself but I understand the anger. 6 kids, his band-mates, his fan, etc. have all been fucked by his decision to kill himself.
That's how fragile ones mind can get. Especially if you're by yourself at home alone with your thoughts. A simple thing can be the force to shatter it completely. Its quite sad how ones mind can get to that breaking point.
The anger at the person whom decided to do it is what I don't understand.
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Oh wow, this came out of nowhere, although so do a lot of celeb deaths anyway. Still, the fact that he was so young, a father of 6 kids and had just released an album makes this tragic, and the connection with Cornell is a little eerie... Never was a LP fan, but they had some good and catchy songs, and Chester was a good singer: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/watch-linkin-parks-chester-bennington-sing-alice-in-chains-guns-n-roses-black-sabbath-classics/
RIP
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RIP Chester. We have no idea what's really going on inside other people's heads.
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WTF?? :omg: :'(
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This is hitting me pretty hard. My friends and I listened to their first two albums constantly back in the day.
Always very sad to see someone go this way.
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I was a big LP fan when they first came out, but haven't listen to them in years. This is shocking and sad news. Why are rock stars seemingly so much more likely to commit suicide than other celebrities?
The anger at the person whom decided to do it is what I don't understand.
Not to turn this into a discussion on the merits of suicide, but most people who get angry at those who commit suicide believe it to be the ultimate act of selfishness. I get people with mental illness can suffer greatly and aren't always seeing reality, but to take yourself away from everyone who loves you in such a shocking and permanent way is terrible. Especially when you have a spouse and children who depend on you.
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not much of a Linkin Park fan, but I've always liked both the song and video for Breaking the Habit.
RIP.
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Rest in peace Chester Bennington.
Hybrid Theory and to a slightly lesser extent Meteora were my go to albums throughout puberty. Hybrid Theory came out when I was 14 and to my ears, it was the most amazing thing I'd ever heard. I had a very comfortable puberty but nonetheless LP's music was the soundtrack of that era for me. After Linkin Park I'd went on to discover Dream Theater. I still enjoy the first two LP albums a lot, but from this moment on it'll always feel different. What the hell man.
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This is absolutely tragic. Shit, I literally saw them live two weeks ago in a (relatively for them) intimate gig at the Brixton Academy. It was a brilliant gig that I only decided to go to reasonably late on, and I now feel incredibly privileged that I did.
I hope this isn't true and if it is I hope it's not because so many people were being vicious about their dislike of One More Light. I didn't like the album much either, but people were being absolutely cruel to the band over it.
plus people bashing their new stuff doesn't help at all.
Guys, people have been bashing their stuff since Minutes to Midnight. Their new album was Billboard #1, their gigs have continued to sell out and they get a consistently brilliant reception from the fans. At the Brixton gig, it was great seeing how fans who had clearly been with them since the start who got excited when they played the old classics were equally getting into, and singing along with, the new songs. I honestly this is very unlikely to have anything to do with it.
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Chester was godfather to one of Chris Cornell's kids. They were very close. For it to happen on Chris's birthday... hard to believe that's a coincidence. So sad. :(
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Guys, people have been bashing their stuff since Minutes to Midnight. Their new album was Billboard #1, their gigs have continued to sell out and they get a consistently brilliant reception from the fans. At the Brixton gig, it was great seeing how fans who had clearly been with them since the start who got excited when they played the old classics were equally getting into, and singing along with, the new songs. I honestly this is very unlikely to have anything to do with it.
Could have fooled me. I've seen so many FB and Twitter posts to Chester the past few months bitching about them releasing a "strictly pop" album, articles focused on his anger over the response (including one where it was a Corey Taylor response trying to talk some sense into him), that video where someone threw a jug at Chester when they tried playing the new single. Articles like this one couldn't have helped. https://consequenceofsound.net/2017/06/someone-threw-a-jug-at-linkin-park-because-they-played-their-shitty-new-song/
And I could be completely wrong. You're the one who went to a great show, and saw positive reception. From my perspective, the dude has just been defending himself from a wealth of shitty so-called fans leading up to and after the album's release, more so than the usual "lol LP sux" stuff we see all the time.
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Sorry, for some reason I didn't even see this thread here and made a separate thread.
Tragic stuff, RIP mate.
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Was never a huge LP fan, but depression is no laughing matter. Please - talk to someone you trust at the very least.
RIP Chester.
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Honestly, I don't know what to say. Never really was a Linkin Park fan, but I guaran-damn-tee that anyone around my age bracket at least knows a Linkin Park song by heart, even if they are not fans.
Anyway, on the drive home, I was listening to KROQ radio station, which was always a huge supporter of Linkin Park and play their stuff frequently, but the radio host of the hour decided to spend the hour playing all kinds of Linkin Park songs in tribute and share stories that he had with Chester Bennington (from what I heard the radio host and Bennington did charity work together, and he heard the Meteora album with the band and a couple of listeners at the basement of the Wiltern theater, before the album was out). The radio station were playing Burn it Down, Papercut, Breaking the Habit, Given Up, New Divide, Numb, etc. and listening to those songs on the way home and hearing the lyrics deeply and in hindsight. Oh yeah, there were more than just tapping into teenage angst to be marketable to that demographic. Chester was living that frustration he was going through in life.
It also reminded me when that same radio host dedicated the hour to Chris Cornell and was playing all things Chris Cornell-related (Burden in My Hand, Like a Stone, Nearly Forgot My Broken Heart, and two live acoustic versions at a KROQ sponsored concert of Fell on Black Days and a cover of Nothing Compares 2 U) and like Chester's scenario, hearing those lyrics in hindsight and what happens really makes those songs much more powerful in light of their passing. Yeah.
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Here I go again, I tried to not go on. ;D :coolio It is my profession though *proceeds to soapbox*
Another left field suicide. I would have never guessed.
I get what you are saying, and any suicide to me is shocking. But movies, and some prevention opinions, perpetuate suicide as a stoppable and 100% curable thing. The numbers are vague when I have looked this up for instructing folks, but about 40% leave a note. 20-25% display no "warning signs," and more often than not, the final decision followed by the act happen very quickly.
I was a big LP fan when they first came out, but haven't listen to them in years. This is shocking and sad news. Why are rock stars seemingly so much more likely to commit suicide than other celebrities?
My guess is a scatter-shot here.
A) they're artists, and generally art draws more dark emotions IMO with rock music.
B) they are constantly "on stage," literally and figuratively, more than a movie actor or athlete in my view.
B-2) Related to B., rock life is a hard, hard, HARD life from my perspective. I've never toured, but it doesn't sound like a fun process. The higher the overhead, the more touring needed in this day and age I believe. And so many more pros and cons.
B-3) They frequently speak of the dark emotions, both in lyrics and on stage. For some, maybe they are re-living those emotions too frequently.
C) A more recent idea related to B-2, to make it and keep as a rock star is so much harder today. Even more so to make a "stable" career. And that said, even those that made it are at risk to lose a good amount. How many stories are there of 80's star playing at a local fair? The business itself has been in shambles since 2001ish, and isn't looking any better ever again. Gone are the days of retiring on royalties for newer musicians. Cornell and Bennington included.
D) related to B, being away from his family, as people have already bought up his family. For someone who is depressed, hearing about their family might just make them feel worse. 30-60 days at a time of non-stop touring doesn't seem like a big deal objectively, but subjectively can feel like a year. Especially to someone struggling.
E) Addictions and vices. No more needed to be said here. These things often intensify "traditional" mental health (depression/mood, anxiety, psychosis).
The anger at the person whom decided to do it is what I don't understand.
Not to turn this into a discussion on the merits of suicide, but most people who get angry at those who commit suicide believe it to be the ultimate act of selfishness. I get people with mental illness can suffer greatly and aren't always seeing reality, but to take yourself away from everyone who loves you in such a shocking and permanent way is terrible. Especially when you have a spouse and children who depend on you.
I'll keep using this until I find something else, and/or someone more famous saying something along these lines.
https://youtu.be/1qAY1My00fk?t=3m30s
The other opinion of the collateral impact of suicide; (20:08-20:50 timestamp)
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-social-work-podcast/e/45487599?autoplay=true
Mental health for many of us is a nagging, sometimes decades or longer thing. Depression is a disease like diabetes, in that it is chronic and requires consistent management. Throw addiction into that as well; there really is no such thing as a "recovered" addict., just in remission. See Dave Mustaine , Philip Seymour Hoffman, and Steven Tyler. MH also needs maybe more management than someone with diabetes. It also attacks the most complex organ we have, and therefore complicates things even further.
Thanks to the retired Kirksnosehair for this link, I use this with clients.
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2013/mar/09/russell-brand-life-without-drugs
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That all said, love reading these tweets. All so well spoken of Bennington, and the overall approach of everyone.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/chester_bennington_committed_suicide.html
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Pretty sad. I haven't listened to them in a while but I still really love their first few albums, especially Meteora.
The more money I save and the older I get, along with things like this happening, the more I believe the old saying that all the money and fame in the world cannot fix someone who is inherently depressed/unhappy/angry. Really shitty. There's always people killing (sometimes literally) for this shit called money and yet there's countless examples of people who quite literally had it all and just decided to off themselves...that isn't a coincidence.
Anyway...I feel for his larger than average family, band mates and friends.
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:(
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I wasn't sad about it when I heard it initially, but looking back at all those music videos and watching the Live In Texas DVD (which was my first ever live DVD) makes me pretty uncomfortable right now, like I can't accept this actually happened because it's so shocking. Thoughts go out to all the family and friends of Chester.
The song "One More Light" already was the saving grace to a pretty disappointing album to me before, but it just got so much more powerful.
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Media aren't lying when they say Linkin Park were the voice of a generation. If you were born in the late eighties or early nineties, there is no way you haven't heard of or enjoyed Linkin Park's music. I remember 'discovering' their hit song In the End when it was released. I remember buying their collaboration album with Jay-Z and liking it a lot. I own their first two studio albums, the remix album 'Reanimation', the Jay-Z collab and the Live in Texas DVD. To say this band has been an influence to the development of my musical preference would be an understatement. They were the doorway into heavy music. Although I haven't followed them after Meteora, this feels very sad to me. Looking back on Chester's work in both Linkin Park and other acts... that guy was very talented and a unique personality. Another great rock singer gone. They often say that in order to make good art you'll have to come from a broken home. With him, that was surely the case. It's so sad that his demons got the better of him. Rest in peace.
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I feel for his family and friends and for his bandmates.
Never was a fan but liked them when I heard them which was quite often due to my son liking them.
We were considering going to see them at the Bråvalla festival a couple of weeks ago but decided to try and catch them at tour this autumn instead.... bad descision in hindsight.
Hope he gets the rest he needs now :-(
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If you were born in the late eighties or early nineties, there is no way you haven't heard of or enjoyed Linkin Park's music.
Very true. I was born in 1991, so Linkin Park played an enormous role for me getting into rock and metal.
Such a tragic way to go, terrible news.
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Bennington had 6 kids... Wow, what a tragedy. :(
R.I.P
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Such a tragic way to go, terrible news.
Time to sound like a total asshole. I liked his music. It's a shame that he's dead. One more tortured soul unable to live with his pain. Is it a shame there'll be no more music from him? Yes. But, this isn't a "tragic" way to go. He took his own life, using the same method as a friend/hero did about 2 months prior and was found on that friend/hero's birthday. Seems pretty thought-out. Tragic is leaving behind a wife and six kids who will now grow up without a father. I'm truly sympathetic to the fact that he had demons. But, if everyone who had problems gave up, who would be left on this earth?!?
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Media aren't lying when they say Linkin Park were the voice of a generation. If you were born in the late eighties or early nineties, there is no way you haven't heard of or enjoyed Linkin Park's music. I remember 'discovering' their hit song In the End when it was released. I remember buying their collaboration album with Jay-Z and liking it a lot. I own their first two studio albums, the remix album 'Reanimation', the Jay-Z collab and the Live in Texas DVD. To say this band has been an influence to the development of my musical preference would be an understatement. They were the doorway into heavy music. Although I haven't followed them after Meteora, this feels very sad to me. Looking back on Chester's work in both Linkin Park and other acts... that guy was very talented and a unique personality. Another great rock singer gone. They often say that in order to make good art you'll have to come from a broken home. With him, that was surely the case. It's so sad that his demons got the better of him. Rest in peace.
At first I thought this was a bunch of hyperbolic crap, but then I found out Hybrid Theory went DIAMOND, and even my wife - who doesn't like that kind of music, but was married to a guy that did - knew exactly who he was, what band and what he sang. It missed me (or rather, I missed it) but you can't deny they made an imprint.
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Such a tragic way to go, terrible news.
Time to sound like a total asshole. I liked his music. It's a shame that he's dead. One more tortured soul unable to live with his pain. Is it a shame there'll be no more music from him? Yes. But, this isn't a "tragic" way to go. He took his own life, using the same method as a friend/hero did about 2 months prior and was found on that friend/hero's birthday. Seems pretty thought-out. Tragic is leaving behind a wife and six kids who will now grow up without a father. I'm truly sympathetic to the fact that he had demons. But, if everyone who had problems gave up, who would be left on this earth?!?
I think it's the final chapter of a tragedy, guy was sexually abused for a long time starting when he was 7, that got the ball rolling and it only compounded from there.
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At first I thought this was a bunch of hyperbolic crap, but then I found out Hybrid Theory went DIAMOND, and even my wife - who doesn't like that kind of music, but was married to a guy that did - knew exactly who he was, what band and what he sang. It missed me (or rather, I missed it) but you can't deny they made an imprint.
I had to look up other Diamond selling artists. Including but limited to: Hootie and the Blowfish, Nickelback, Kenny G, Matchbox 20, Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears
I wouldn't necessarily say you have to make an impact to sell diamond looking at the list.
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Media aren't lying when they say Linkin Park were the voice of a generation. If you were born in the late eighties or early nineties, there is no way you haven't heard of or enjoyed Linkin Park's music. I remember 'discovering' their hit song In the End when it was released. I remember buying their collaboration album with Jay-Z and liking it a lot. I own their first two studio albums, the remix album 'Reanimation', the Jay-Z collab and the Live in Texas DVD. To say this band has been an influence to the development of my musical preference would be an understatement. They were the doorway into heavy music. Although I haven't followed them after Meteora, this feels very sad to me. Looking back on Chester's work in both Linkin Park and other acts... that guy was very talented and a unique personality. Another great rock singer gone. They often say that in order to make good art you'll have to come from a broken home. With him, that was surely the case. It's so sad that his demons got the better of him. Rest in peace.
At first I thought this was a bunch of hyperbolic crap, but then I found out Hybrid Theory went DIAMOND, and even my wife - who doesn't like that kind of music, but was married to a guy that did - knew exactly who he was, what band and what he sang. It missed me (or rather, I missed it) but you can't deny they made an imprint.
The above description was almost exactly like my experience with them. Hybrid Theory came out when I was a sophomore in high school and it was hot shit. They lost me with Minutes to Midnight but I know they stayed very popular. Of the all the guys in the band that is near impossible to replace it's Chester.
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Such a tragic way to go, terrible news.
Time to sound like a total asshole. I liked his music. It's a shame that he's dead. One more tortured soul unable to live with his pain. Is it a shame there'll be no more music from him? Yes. But, this isn't a "tragic" way to go. He took his own life, using the same method as a friend/hero did about 2 months prior and was found on that friend/hero's birthday. Seems pretty thought-out. Tragic is leaving behind a wife and six kids who will now grow up without a father. I'm truly sympathetic to the fact that he had demons. But, if everyone who had problems gave up, who would be left on this earth?!?
Some good points there. I have to admit, I used to not feel a lot of sympathy towards the people that take their own life - however, as time goes by, I start to see the issue with depression more and more. It's devastating to me to think a sickness can be so powerful that it makes you completely oblivous to what your death will bring upon the people you leave behind. Depression needs to be treated.
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Media aren't lying when they say Linkin Park were the voice of a generation. If you were born in the late eighties or early nineties, there is no way you haven't heard of or enjoyed Linkin Park's music. I remember 'discovering' their hit song In the End when it was released. I remember buying their collaboration album with Jay-Z and liking it a lot. I own their first two studio albums, the remix album 'Reanimation', the Jay-Z collab and the Live in Texas DVD. To say this band has been an influence to the development of my musical preference would be an understatement. They were the doorway into heavy music. Although I haven't followed them after Meteora, this feels very sad to me. Looking back on Chester's work in both Linkin Park and other acts... that guy was very talented and a unique personality. Another great rock singer gone. They often say that in order to make good art you'll have to come from a broken home. With him, that was surely the case. It's so sad that his demons got the better of him. Rest in peace.
At first I thought this was a bunch of hyperbolic crap, but then I found out Hybrid Theory went DIAMOND, and even my wife - who doesn't like that kind of music, but was married to a guy that did - knew exactly who he was, what band and what he sang. It missed me (or rather, I missed it) but you can't deny they made an imprint.
Yea man, I'm squarely in this demographic and literally everyone I knew (or at least every other boy), including myself, had the Hybrid Theory CD. They were a true phenomenon.
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Even I, as serious of a metalhead as I am, have a ton of respect for Chester and Linkin Park. I liked One Step Closer when it came out (a local cover band that I followed at the time started playing it in their shows and would always get a big response from it), but lumped them in with the nu metal bands that I hated at the time.
As I got older and heard more of their albums that followed, there's no denying that he could sing and scream with the best of them - his vocals are killer and I find myself enjoying and singing along with songs songs like Crawling, In the End, and Breaking the Habit (a personal favorite). I'd prefer to spend my money on other bands, but he deserves a lot of credit for being a great musician.
It's awful that it came down to this decision that he made, but apparently it must have been brewing for a long, long time based on what I've seen.
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Definitely sad news. One of my first favorite bands, as I was about 13 when Hybrid Theory came out. I moved on from them fairly quickly, I still only have HT on my ipod, but I did enjoy playing it a couple times a year.
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So I am listening Minutes To Midnight.
Kinda eerie to hear Chester screaming "Put me out of my fucking misery" on Given Up.
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I was about 17 when Hybrid Theory came out. At the time I only listened to hip hop and I vividly remember asking my friend (who was playing it in his car) to turn it off as it was just noise to my ears and "why are they just screaming?" :lol funny to think how my tastes changed. Within a year or so I actually ended up trading some rap album for Hybrid Theory (with the same friend) and loving it. I may have actually started listening to that before Metallica's Black Album so HT may actually have been my first metal album. I do remember being pretty obsessed with it.
When Meteora came out I loved some of the songs but didn't think the album was as strong, on the whole. All my friends had it though and it got spun at all the house parties (I still consider Faint my favourite song). Reanimation was also a favourite of mine as it remixed all the HT songs and had lots of hip hop influences.
After that I got into heavier and heavier music and kinda lost interest. I remember liking "What I've Done" when I heard it on the Transformers soundtrack but I never listened to the album (or any LP album after the three I mentioned).
This certainly is a tragedy and Chester was probably the first vocalist with 'extreme vocals' that liked, so to say he had no impact on my musical taste would be a lie. RIP dude
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I never did give out my LP story.
I was 12 when Meteora came out. Heard Numb on the radio. Loved it. My older brother burned me a copy of Meteora and then later Hybrid Theory. They were my Favorite Band even back before I got into Green Day (a year later).
Remained a fan through Minutes To Midnight. Didn't like Ten Thousand Suns (my gf at the time loved it.)
I still listened to every album a few a times after I find out they've been released, and still listen to the first 3 albums a lot.
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At first I thought this was a bunch of hyperbolic crap, but then I found out Hybrid Theory went DIAMOND, and even my wife - who doesn't like that kind of music, but was married to a guy that did - knew exactly who he was, what band and what he sang. It missed me (or rather, I missed it) but you can't deny they made an imprint.
I had to look up other Diamond selling artists. Including but limited to: Hootie and the Blowfish, Nickelback, Kenny G, Matchbox 20, Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears
I wouldn't necessarily say you have to make an impact to sell diamond looking at the list.
I was going let this go, but I just can't. This is such a ridiculous statement. You clearly pin-pointed those artists because YOU don't like them. But even still, you know exactly who they are. Just because an artist does not have an impact ON YOU, does not mean they don't have a serious impact on others (read: the masses). Looking at that list, every single one of those artist have made a HUGE impact on their genres, and while I don't necessarily like or listen to all those artists, I still respect the work they've done and the people who listen to them. If you don't like something, you don't need to comment on it.
On topic, I listened to Hybrid Theory this morning on my way to work. I forgot HOW great that album was. Songs like "Forgotten" and "A Place for My Head" and "Pushing Me Away" never got any radio play, but were as great as any of the singles. The B-Sides too (My December and High Voltage) were also killer tunes that I just place on my HT playlist. I also listened to "Given Up" and "Leave Out all the Rest" last night as I fell asleep... what crushingly haunting lyrics given the outcome of Chester's decision yesterday... RIP
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At first I thought this was a bunch of hyperbolic crap, but then I found out Hybrid Theory went DIAMOND, and even my wife - who doesn't like that kind of music, but was married to a guy that did - knew exactly who he was, what band and what he sang. It missed me (or rather, I missed it) but you can't deny they made an imprint.
I had to look up other Diamond selling artists. Including but limited to: Hootie and the Blowfish, Nickelback, Kenny G, Matchbox 20, Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears
I wouldn't necessarily say you have to make an impact to sell diamond looking at the list.
I was going let this go, but I just can't. This is such a ridiculous statement. You clearly pin-pointed those artists because YOU don't like them. But even still, you know exactly who they are. Just because an artist does not have an impact ON YOU, does not mean they don't have a serious impact on others (read: the masses). Looking at that list, every single one of those artist have made a HUGE impact on their genres, and while I don't necessarily like or listen to all those artists, I still respect the work they've done and the people who listen to them. If you don't like something, you don't need to comment on it.
On topic, I listened to Hybrid Theory this morning on my way to work. I forgot HOW great that album was. Songs like "Forgotten" and "A Place for My Head" and "Pushing Me Away" never got any radio play, but were as great as any of the singles. The B-Sides too (My December and High Voltage) were also killer tunes that I just place on my HT playlist. I also listened to "Given Up" and "Leave Out all the Rest" last night as I fell asleep... what crushingly haunting lyrics given the outcome of Chester's decision yesterday... RIP
Couldn't agree with this post more - every one of the artists that is on the Diamond selling list has made a huge impact on their genres and more importantly, their audience. They've created soundtracks to people's lives, a lot of people. Whether you personally like them or not makes little difference.
I used to listen to LP a lot more when I was younger, but my gf is a massive fan. We had tickets to see them 8/5 at Mohegan Sun - she's pretty crushed. I also spun Hybrid Theory today during my workout - Papercut and Points of Authority are still my favorites by a longshot, but the album is still incredibly strong start to finish to me. This dude was part of something special and he'll be missed. Unfortunate reminder that no amount of success and money brings true happiness. My thoughts are with his kids who have to now navigate through life without their dad and they'll never really know 'why'.
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I'm with OpenYourEyes311 and Awaken 100%. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Linkin Park were one of my favourite bands when I was around 12. I liked them until Minutes To Midnight and then I stopped listening to the following albums apart from few songs of A Thousand Suns. I loved Papercut, One Step Closer and A Place For My Head from Hybrid Theory, which I prefer to Meteora. Minutes To Midnight is my second favourite (I didn't like Leave Out All The Rest and I forgot In Pieces, the rest was great, even the bonus track No Roads Left).
Really incredible and sad news, I totally didn't believed to it until Mike Shinoda confirmed it..
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Man, the day after this is actually hitting harder than expected :sadpanda: So this is what it feels when an artist that has been an integral part to your life at one point dies like this.
This is his last performance of One More Light, with him singing in the midst of his fans for the full duration of the song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXs_UB4rbxM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXs_UB4rbxM)
This is something I always appreciated of him, his very intimate and heartfelt interactions with his fans during concerts. A fantastic frontman like no other.
And just to showcase his immense talent, some grunge, rock, and metal carried by his voice :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glbhUc7GuHc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glbhUc7GuHc) Stone Temple Pilots - Out of time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XhMr6bfbO4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XhMr6bfbO4) Grey Daze - Sometimes (his first band, grunge)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb81tWJ72Pc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb81tWJ72Pc) Linkin Park - QWERTY Live. I listened to this performance so much back in the day, with Chester tearing it up with his vocals.
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Although I have not really listened to their newer material, LP will always have a place in my heart as I grew up listening to HT and Meteora...
When I got the news he was dead it was late at night and it seemed to not affect me that much. But this morning it hit me really hard.
I saw this video on LP's subreddit and I fucking bawled my eyes out watching it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AXaRQWnJMM
Never got the chance to see them live...
Rest in peace, Chester.
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Yeah, Hybrid Theory is one of those albums where even 17 years after it came out, you'll still find it on a shelf at Target and Walmart next to all the new and random stuff that will be changed out in a month. Hybrid Theory is always there. It's almost a staple of a big chain's music section, it was so popular.
I don't go back to that album much, though. It came out during a very angsty transition into my teenage years, and listening to any of it brings back some bad memories, even though those songs helped me get through it. But before Pink Floyd and Gorillaz took me for a musical ride I'm still on to this day, there was Linkin Park. It definitely had an impact on me.
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Revisiting Hybrid Theory, well.. for most people it seems that it helped them through a difficult time growing up. Not for me. My puberty years and afterwards were amazing. I was extremely happy at that time, while listening to this album. Everything seemed possible. Now I'm a thirty year old dude and I've never been as insecure as I am now. :rollin
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Similar vibes and praise here for HT.
What is amazing about the band, and that album is they were late to the scene. Almost too late. I recall going to a Soulfly concert with my friend in fall of 2000, and this time period was probably the peak and/or falling action for nu-metal. Boy was this bill nu-metal. Primer 55 was there, as well as Soufly playing the same open B string growling riff song for half the show basically. Joking aside, my friend was swearing up and down about Linkin Park. I basically wrote them off for awhile as just another band of the scene. And not that I didn't really enjoy the nu-metal scene. But time has really treated them well, and they have always had a tighter integration with the hip-hop elements.
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You know...I never got around to listening to much after Meteora. Don't know why, I would just space it out. Think I should change that.
I never bought Hybrid Theory. But did buy Meteora, for Breaking The Habit alone. That is just a great song.
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The only album they've put out which I really didn't care for was Ten Thousand Suns... Everything else is good. Mind you, They never really went back to the Hybrid Theory / Meteora sound though.
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The only album they've put out which I really didn't care for was Ten Thousand Suns... Everything else is good. Mind you, They never really went back to the Hybrid Theory / Meteora sound though.
I just don't understand that view. For me, A Thousand Suns is comfortably their best album. More varied, experimental and dynamic than anything else they've put out.
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A Thousand Suns was the last album I liked, and it's a close second to HT for me. Everything after that album was mediocre IMO and I cut them off at that point. But I'll always have the first 4 albums.
RIP Chester
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The only album they've put out which I really didn't care for was Ten Thousand Suns... Everything else is good. Mind you, They never really went back to the Hybrid Theory / Meteora sound though.
I just don't understand that view. For me, A Thousand Suns is comfortably their best album. More varied, experimental and dynamic than anything else they've put out.
It just never clicked for me. I tried. My ex and I listened to it a lot. She couldn't understand why I didn't like it.
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I stopped being a fan after Meteora, and I actually just started listening to their first two albums again after a very long time.
It sucks that some people can't get the help they need when dealing with emotional scars. Although he was clearly losing his power, (which was probably one of the main factors of them changing their style) he was a beast on the mic.
RIP
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I wouldn't say he was losing his power, considering that before this new album they put out The Hunting Party which features some of his best screams and vocals.
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I wouldn't say he was losing his power, considering that before this new album they put out The Hunting Party which features some of his best screams and vocals.
I watched their recent 2017 performance at Rock Werchter (pro shot is fully on yt) and Chester sounds on point there, especially during the second half with plenty of old school LP. And he sings the beautiful rendition of Crawling in tune, unlike the video above in this thread (which is still a powerful video due to the footage).
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Here to agree that A Thousand Suns is their best album by far. I'd probably have Living Things second.
Also this whole situation is really sad.
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So I went back and listened to Hybrid Theory and Meteora. What incredible albums they are. Chester was an extremely underrated vocalist who portrayed pure emotion in every note that he sang. While I don't like any of their albums after Minutes to Midnight, those first two albums really helped me through my early teenage years. It's been a couple of days and I still can't believe he's gone. This death hit me harder than any other celebrity deaths in the past two years because of how close I was to their earlier music. He will be missed.
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I stopped being a fan after Meteora, and I actually just started listening to their first two albums again after a very long time.
It sucks that some people can't get the help they need when dealing with emotional scars. Although he was clearly losing his power, (which was probably one of the main factors of them changing their style) he was a beast on the mic.
RIP
I also lost interest after Meteora. I listened to my buddy's copy of Minutes at its release and didn't pick it up myself. But regardless, Hybrid theory is a perfect album imo and Meteora is excellent as well. To this day, those two albums are still on heavy rotation.
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Hybrid Theory and Meteora are definitely their strongest, but Minutes to Midnight still had a lot of strong tracks. After that was when they really lost me. But based on some of the live footage I've watched, Chester was still a very strong singer until the end.
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I don't know, maybe he was having an off night, but the way he was singing the old stuff gave the impression that he threw his voice out due to years of screaming.
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Always thought Linkin Park were a kind off joke band. But I was surprised how good Chester was live when he joined the Stone Temple Pilots - didn't like the EP they made though.
So yeah RIP Chester.
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Well this came as quite a shock. I just kept hoping the articles reporting it were fake....
This was the first time I actually felt something when a person I don't personally know died, damn his music has helped me a lot. Altough I'm not currently into Linkin Park that much anymore, I listened to them almost daily in my first years in high school. They were the first "heavy" band I ever listened to and I'm sure I can say, like more people here, they were crucial in the development of my musical tastes.
Rest in peace Chester, and thanks for the great music :heart
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I was really hoping it was a hoax too. I never got into LP outside of Hybrid Theory, but Chester was my favorite member of the band. I just re-visited HT after not listening to it for probably 10+ years and it's bringing back a lot of good memories.
Rest in peace, Chester :'(
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I just re-visited HT after not listening to it for probably 10+ years and it's bringing back a lot of good memories.
Rest in peace, Chester :'(
I'm listening to it now too. According to Last.fm I listened to it once in 2013, but that was the only time since 2009. I still remember it all so well though, it really is a great album. Meteora was very good as well, but I fell out of love with the band after that. Like others have said, LP were very important in helping shape my musical tastes and they were one of my favourite bands during my grumpy teenage years.
Very sad news, he was a really talented singer.
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Minutes to Midnight was the last album I listened through completely at release, and it was hit or miss for me back in the day. If it had been an album with more songs like Bleed it Out or Given Up (and the LP Underground song QWERTY), which I consider to be a good evolution from their preceding two albums, I would've probably obsessed over that album as well. But I still respect their decision to go into a different direction. It kept them relevant by reaching millions of newer fans and inspiring them like the two first albums did for my generation.
That said, I've been checking out their newer stuff and I am surprised how heavy the Hunting Party is. Chester going all out and lot's of guitar riffs to be heard. I heard that SOAD-esque song with Daron Malakian back in the day and liked it, but never really explored the album. I dig it.
I heard A Thousand Suns back in the day. Not really my thing, but I think it is their most ambitious, original sounding album. I love the song Blackout. One More Light is straight up pop music. Not that bad, but in my opinion it is the only LP album that doesn't have a unique LP hook to it, it sounds like solid focus tested pop, nothing more. I don't really like Living Things, not much to say about it.
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RIP.
I know it sounds awful but I could never understand or sympathize with rich people depression, I just lack that processor since for my entire existence I've had one constant dilemma which is money. It's like going to a starving country in Africa and telling them it really bugs you when you get your steak overcooked. Just an absolute inability to relate.
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RIP.
I know it sounds awful but I could never understand or sympathize with rich people depression, I just lack that processor since for my entire existence I've had one constant dilemma which is money. It's like going to a starving country in Africa and telling them it really bugs you when you get your steak overcooked. Just an absolute inability to relate.
Money doesn't buy Happiness.
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RIP.
I know it sounds awful but I could never understand or sympathize with rich people depression, I just lack that processor since for my entire existence I've had one constant dilemma which is money. It's like going to a starving country in Africa and telling them it really bugs you when you get your steak overcooked. Just an absolute inability to relate.
For some, the pressure of being in the spotlight can be overbearing. Plus there's any existing mental health issues or emotional scars that won't heal. You could be a billionaire, but if something from your past is troubling you and you can't let it go, all the money in the world won't make you happy.
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RIP.
I know it sounds awful but I could never understand or sympathize with rich people depression, I just lack that processor since for my entire existence I've had one constant dilemma which is money. It's like going to a starving country in Africa and telling them it really bugs you when you get your steak overcooked. Just an absolute inability to relate.
I find this incredibly naive. Sure, having money can get you easy access to help, but does it fix the chemistry in your brain? It will not. At best treatments for mental illness will increase your chances of getting better or stabilise it's symptoms. If you, for example, are an individual that has been traumatised in his youth by child abuse, which was the case for Chester, no amount of dollars and doctors to talk to in the world can erase that. And I think people also woefully underestimate the influence of fame on a persons mind, just look at how many celebs go off the deep end due to drugs and alcohol abuse, which likely stems from a lack of happiness in the first place.
Poverty is terrible and I wish you the best if you are struggling with money, because that is indeed heavy. But being rich does not exclude rich people from having the same or similar problems as any person. In fact, I think for some people the realisation that even with professional help and money they are still not happy, can be quite something to deal with.
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Yeah I got all that guys. I'm sympathetic to Chester's suffering but I'm finding difficulty to be empathetic, which I always strive to be. Empathy implies my ability to put myself in someone else's shoes to comprehend their suffering, I put myself in his shoes and my thoughts are:
- WHOA! I get to make music for living!!
- WHOA! thousands of people like my music!!!
- WHOA! I get to play live for thousands, of fans, of MINE!!!
- WHOA! I don't have to move literally every two years because the apartment rent went up by 100$!
- WHOA! There is no conceivable fuckin way in existence that I can be super sad unless I REALLY want to.
It's difficult, for me, to be sad given all that. Positive effort and planning needs to be put into achieving sadness if I have all that.
I understand how it's easy to judge all that as naive, I see it. Perhaps I'm unable to explain my thoughts on this clearly, so please don't think I'm being insensitive.
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Yeah I got all that guys. I'm sympathetic to Chester's suffering but I'm finding difficulty to be empathetic, which I always strive to be. Empathy implies my ability to put myself in someone else's shoes to comprehend their suffering, I put myself in his shoes and my thoughts are:
- WHOA! I get to make music for living!!
- WHOA! thousands of people like my music!!!
- WHOA! I get to play live for thousands, of fans, of MINE!!!
- WHOA! I don't have to move literally every two years because the apartment rent went up by 100$!
- WHOA! There is no conceivable fuckin way in existence that I can be super sad unless I REALLY want to.
It's difficult, for me, to be sad given all that. Positive effort and planning needs to be put into achieving sadness if I have all that.
I understand how it's easy to judge all that as naive, I see it. Perhaps I'm unable to explain my thoughts on this clearly, so please don't think I'm being insensitive.
Dude...the guy was serially sexually abused from the time he was seven. That seems to have irrevocably fucked him up. As I said up-thread, the suicide was the end of a tragedy that had been going on for about 34 years. Also, him being that fucked up is probably part of what made him such an artist.
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I can definitely be a cold-hearted bastard, but a couple things I've learned: money CANNOT buy you happiness. I've already written (here) about this, but I think it can actually be the OPPOSITE. I don't think you become a rock star by accident or with no effort, but like anything, you don't always know how hot that stove is until you touch it. And it has to be exceedingly frustrating to want people to hear your music but not want the fandom that goes along with it (and let's face it; that kind of music brings out the worst kind of fan, that feels like they have some deeper emotional connection other than having had the same feelings at some point in life).
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Yeah, money can make you insanely comfortable, buy you the nicest things and give you some fleeting entertainment. But if your mind and emotions want you to feel like you're in the deepest, darkest shit hole on the planet, you will fucking feel it; there isn't any inconceivable amount of money that is going to help that. It's just not. That is internal and it is yours and yours alone.
But to an extent, you're right. There are people out there, without a single doubt, that have suffered immensely more than Bennington, went through the same experiences, and still have to kill and beg for food and pennies that will live longer than him and never once think of suicide. And y'know what? The two are completely disconnected. Every person has their own way of dealing, and their own choices to make regardless of their life circumstance.
It's meant to be a joke but there's a brilliant line by Louis C.K. that resonated with me and I randomly thought of it while being accosted by the insane amount of social media surrounding this...I'm paraphrasing here but it's pretty close to something like "Everyone alive are just people who decided not to kill themselves today". It's said in jest and in fun but when you really think about how much shit some people go through...it's true. He decided not to keep going...even with kids, a wife, and seeming riches. Money is just gravy, at the end of the day. I've lived poor and in the wilderness and I've lived in complete comfort (nothing like Bennington but at some point it becomes irrelevant), and if I was depressed when I was poor, it felt the same as when I was living without a worry. Depression does not discriminate.
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Yeah I got all that guys. I'm sympathetic to Chester's suffering but I'm finding difficulty to be empathetic, which I always strive to be. Empathy implies my ability to put myself in someone else's shoes to comprehend their suffering, I put myself in his shoes and my thoughts are:
- WHOA! I get to make music for living!!
- WHOA! thousands of people like my music!!!
- WHOA! I get to play live for thousands, of fans, of MINE!!!
- WHOA! I don't have to move literally every two years because the apartment rent went up by 100$!
- WHOA! There is no conceivable fuckin way in existence that I can be super sad unless I REALLY want to.
It's difficult, for me, to be sad given all that. Positive effort and planning needs to be put into achieving sadness if I have all that.
I understand how it's easy to judge all that as naive, I see it. Perhaps I'm unable to explain my thoughts on this clearly, so please don't think I'm being insensitive.
Dude...the guy was serially sexually abused from the time he was seven. That seems to have irrevocably fucked him up. As I said up-thread, the suicide was the end of a tragedy that had been going on for about 34 years. Also, him being that fucked up is probably part of what made him such an artist.
Yup Millahh!
Progmetty, I understand it. As someone who wants more, but doesn't need much more, what Chester had would make me content too. As you said, you have difficult having empathy here. As Stadler & TioJorge noted, no amount of money would make some people feel better. Just look at the amount of money people spend on therapy & treatment that can sink it- I still hear $100-200 p/hour (cash or check for some) floated about. And even people that go through that can still end their lives. I like to believe my therapy trinity is infallable, and one was basically created for people just like Chester. But it still fails lots of people, and is costlier than "standard" therapy when run full-on.
So at the end, no matter the things that can be around people, it can *still* all be meaningless and worthless. That is why this monster is considered a disease; it has no discriminating practices as TioJorge stated. But no one can make you emphasize with someone, and it's even harder to do from our armchairs and not knowing him in person. ;) :coolio
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That's exactly why depression is a horrible sickness. The inability for a person to realize how tremendously lucky they should feel just boggles my mid.
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That's exactly why depression is a horrible sickness. The inability for a person to realize how tremendously lucky they should feel just boggles my mid.
And this completely misses the point of depression.
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What do you mean exactly?
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There's really no other way to put it than it's not the point... Telling that to someone that is already depressed as hell is tantamount to kicking them when they're down. Because I'm pretty sure that barring teens reaching out for attention, no one wants to feel that way; no one actively thinks "I'm going to feel so horrible that I ponder ending my life". I have zero doubt that "feeling lucky" has no factor in feeling depressed or not. Again, it's totally disconnected from the concept of depression. I'm sure they'd love to feel lucky/blessed/grateful for whatever they have but the whole thing with depression is that it clouds everything and gives you tunnel vision so that all you see and feel is wretchedness.
To use a totally exaggerated example, try telling someone who just lost their arm "Be grateful you still have the other one!". Yeah, true in theory. In practice, fuck you. :lol (hopefully obvious I'm not actually saying this to anyone)
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Without having been rich myself I can imagine it alienates you in ways. Do people hang around you cause they generally like you, or because of the spotlight/money? He obviously had his demons but similar to Chris Cornell, where it also came as a surprise and the closest people were surprised, it's frightening that even if you look fine on the outside, it can be that bad on the inside.
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Yeah I got all that guys. I'm sympathetic to Chester's suffering but I'm finding difficulty to be empathetic, which I always strive to be. Empathy implies my ability to put myself in someone else's shoes to comprehend their suffering, I put myself in his shoes and my thoughts are:
- WHOA! I get to make music for living!!
- WHOA! thousands of people like my music!!!
- WHOA! I get to play live for thousands, of fans, of MINE!!!
- WHOA! I don't have to move literally every two years because the apartment rent went up by 100$!
- WHOA! There is no conceivable fuckin way in existence that I can be super sad unless I REALLY want to.
It's difficult, for me, to be sad given all that. Positive effort and planning needs to be put into achieving sadness if I have all that.
I understand how it's easy to judge all that as naive, I see it. Perhaps I'm unable to explain my thoughts on this clearly, so please don't think I'm being insensitive.
I respectfully call it naïve because I understand what you are saying from your point of view. What you are doing is putting your own mind in someone else's position, but that is not how it works. Every person is different and can have different causes for their mental problems (genetics, traumatic events, personal relationships, drug abuse, head trauma, poverty, etc.). In your situation, money can be the root of your problems. But for others, that may very well not be the issue. It can be the case that with money and fame your problems would be over and that you become happy/happier. But for many people, this simply does not apply. Chester at one point wasn't rich and famous as well, and yet he came trough that period, but getting famous and lot's of money did nothing to save him ultimately.
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There's really no other way to put it than it's not the point... Telling that to someone that is already depressed as hell is tantamount to kicking them when they're down. Because I'm pretty sure that barring teens reaching out for attention, no one wants to feel that way; no one actively thinks "I'm going to feel so horrible that I ponder ending my life". I have zero doubt that "feeling lucky" has no factor in feeling depressed or not. Again, it's totally disconnected from the concept of depression. I'm sure they'd love to feel lucky/blessed/grateful for whatever they have but the whole thing with depression is that it clouds everything and gives you tunnel vision so that all you see and feel is wretchedness.
To use a totally exaggerated example, try telling someone who just lost their arm "Be grateful you still have the other one!". Yeah, true in theory. In practice, fuck you. :lol (hopefully obvious I'm not actually saying this to anyone)
This was precisely the point I was trying to make, but I probably didn't put it in the right words. I figure that, objectively, some people really have a lot to be grateful for, but if they suffer from depression, it disables them from realizing that.
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A lot of people here really don't understand fundamentally what depression is. I don't mean that as an insult or to imply that anyone is stupid, because most people don't come across this (I've only developed a proper understanding of it in the last few years). But it's important to be clear that depression is NOT:
- feeling sad;
- not realising how lucky you are to have good things.
Depression varies a ton from person to person, but an extremely common underlying issue is a fundamental lack of self-worth or self-belief. It's a voice that tells you "you're a bad person, you have no value, nobody really cares about you" and so on. Someone can seem like they're incredibly lucky, whether with material things like money and success or emotional things like family, but underneath if that's what their subconscious is telling them, then none of that stuff matters. I have an unbelievable amount of respect for those who have to deal with that shit from day to day, and who manage it and even beat it.
It's also one of the fundamental misunderstandings about suicide, the idea that it's selfish and that someone who kills themselves does so with no regard to people who care about them. Very often it is in fact the opposite. That lack of self-worth can mean they either don't believe that anyone does love or care about them, or that even if they do, those people's lives would be improved by ending his/her own.
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Yeah that last part is the part that always gets me the most. It's pretty damn horrible.
After having more than a few friends commit suicide along with seeing the many well known ones by famous people alike, it should be pretty clear now that it's nothing to do with anything external. It is entirely internal. But I suppose if you either haven't dealt with your own depression before or haven't been around anyone who has been afflicted by it, there's really no way to understand it.
Either way it sucks ass.
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After watching a couple recent interviews, it sure sounds like Chester had been struggling with drugs and alcohol again in recent years. It's a really sad situation.
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That's exactly why depression is a horrible sickness. The inability for a person to realize how tremendously lucky they should feel just boggles my mid.
And this completely misses the point of depression.
Not new news, but to support the disease model and challenges of depression; here it is produced in rats to study anti-depressants. Older study at this point, but free to access and it does the job.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Irwin_Lucki/publication/11363338_Cryan_JF_Markou_A_Lucki_I_Assessing_antidepressant_activity_in_rodents_recent_developments_and_future_needs_Trends_Pharmacol_Sci_23_238-245/links/09e41509a757dd0d22000000/Cryan-JF-Markou-A-Lucki-I-Assessing-antidepressant-activity-in-rodents-recent-developments-and-future-needs-Trends-Pharmacol-Sci-23-238-245.pdf
Now I don't spend sessions with rats having chat it up ;), but I would say it's safe to assume they don't have fame and money.
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It's also one of the fundamental misunderstandings about suicide, the idea that it's selfish and that someone who kills themselves does so with no regard to people who care about them. Very often it is in fact the opposite. That lack of self-worth can mean they either don't believe that anyone does love or care about them, or that even if they do, those people's lives would be improved by ending his/her own.
This is a good point. However, I've always wondered about the line between committing suicide as a result of depression and as simply a decision made with wrong reasoning. I don't think every suicide is related to depression, which might put the selfishness question into perspective. But that would be more of a general topic and a different discussion.
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Got A Thousand Suns and The Hunting Party from the library yesterday. Listened to ATS on the way to work today. It was... interesting. Certainly not as bad as I always assumed, but obviously completely different than I'm used to (was a fan up until MTM). Some of the songs were really good, and I was surprised by how many "interlude" or instrumental tracks there were. I'd give it another couple spins at least. I'll listen to THP on my way back home today, so I'm looking forward to that.
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ATS is definitely meant to be listened to as a whole. No doubt about that.
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ATS and THP never clicked for me, but I like a couple of tracks from ATS: Waiting for the End, When They Come for Me, Blackout and of course Wretches and Kings. That song is just badass.