Your Controversial Opinions on DT

[RodrigoAltaf]

The Count of Tuscany is the best song ever written not only by DT but by any other band! 

I am very close to agreeing with that. Absolutely amazing song.

I tend to agree. And I could say that about ACOS, Octavarium or Illumination Theory too.

[Grizz]

The Count of Tuscany is the best song ever written not only by DT but by any other band! 

I am very close to agreeing with that. Absolutely amazing song.

I tend to agree. And I could say that about ACOS, or Octavarium or Illumination Theory too.

FTFM

[Crow]

No DT song I would declare my favorite song of all time but that's because of the two or three songs that regularly contest that spot sort of transcending the concept of "song" and becoming something so much more. The best DT song doesn't quite do that. Would have at least one DT song in my top ten songs ever though most definitely.

[wolfking]

I seriously don't think I could ever define my favourite song of all time by any band.

[rumborak]

TCOT is an excellent song, and it's the last song of theirs I completely enjoyed without caveat. Despite all the silly lyrics and the Portnoycore.

Or, to rephrase the above more in line for this thread: DT has not a truly excellent song since BCSL. A lot of "good" and "decent" after that, but nothing that makes you say "holy shit, this song alone makes the album".

[GasparXR]

TCOT is an excellent song, and it's the last song of theirs I completely enjoyed without caveat. Despite all the silly lyrics and the Portnoycore.

Or, to rephrase the above more in line for this thread: DT has not a truly excellent song since BCSL. A lot of "good" and "decent" after that, but nothing that makes you say "holy shit, this song alone makes the album".

That's because on DT12, every song makes the album.

[?]

I seriously don't think I could ever define my favourite song of all time by any band.

This, but if I made a top 10 list, Space-Dye Vest would be there.

[nikatapi]

Here's a controversial opinion:

Despite my love for JP's work, i think he has become a little uninspired on the last albums. Samey riffs, samey solos, dedication to a more heavy metal sound, and dominance on DT songs.

I think he was a more interesting player when he mixed rock with metal and jazz elements on older albums, and his sound helped with this.
He is more of a metal player now, and i think he was more versatile in the past.

[TheGreatPretender]

Maybe he's just inspired more by Metal now. DT was always a Progressive Metal band. I feel like DT's "Metal" sound changed with the times. I mean, back in WDADU days, it was still Progressive Metal, but the Metal elements were derived from what was current at the time, the riff driven nature of bands like Metallica, combined with the virtuosity and melody of bands like Van Halen.
These days, Metal is dominated (sadly) by Metalcore bands like Trivium and stuff that's a bit heavier and colder, and I think DT's style reflects that.

[Tick]

SC is an album that I just don't gravitate too.  I can't tell you why.

IF YOU CAN'T TELL US WHY DON'T SAY IT!!!!


oh...sorry... Lost my mind for a second.

[King Postwhore]

SC is an album that I just don't gravitate too.  I can't tell you why.

IF YOU CAN'T TELL US WHY DON'T SAY IT!!!!


oh...sorry... Lost my mind for a second.

 

It just doesn't grab me like other DT albums.  I still play it but less frequent.

[Prog Snob]

SC is an album that I just don't gravitate too.  I can't tell you why.

IF YOU CAN'T TELL US WHY DON'T SAY IT!!!!


oh...sorry... Lost my mind for a second.

 

It just doesn't grab me like other DT albums.  I still play it but less frequent.

You liked to be touched by Dream Theater.... perv

[moof]

TCOT is an excellent song, and it's the last song of theirs I completely enjoyed without caveat. Despite all the silly lyrics and the Portnoycore.

Or, to rephrase the above more in line for this thread: DT has not a truly excellent song since BCSL. A lot of "good" and "decent" after that, but nothing that makes you say "holy shit, this song alone makes the album".

I dunno, I think BAI, BITS and IT fall in to that category

[DoctorAction]

I wish they'd take a breath and wait until they have something to say before they write any new music. I think they could use a break and think about their message a bit.

With the lyrics being the last piece in their writing, they too often feel that way to me too. Like an afterthought. Which doesn't sit at all well with the extreme, over-the-top, intense nature of their instrumental side.

[Tick]

I wish they'd take a breath and wait until they have something to say before they write any new music. I think they could use a break and think about their message a bit.

With the lyrics being the last piece in their writing, they too often feel that way to me too. Like an afterthought. Which doesn't sit at all well with the extreme, over-the-top, intense nature of their instrumental side.

Love the lyrics. Happy they keep rolling along!
Bring it on...MORE!

[TheGreatPretender]

I wish they'd take a breath and wait until they have something to say before they write any new music. I think they could use a break and think about their message a bit.

With the lyrics being the last piece in their writing, they too often feel that way to me too. Like an afterthought. Which doesn't sit at all well with the extreme, over-the-top, intense nature of their instrumental side.

Well, if you feel that way, it's one thing, but I don't see why you phrase it as "what THEY have to say", when it's JP writing 90% of the lyrics. Maybe if it was divided more evenly between JP, JLB and JM, you wouldn't feel that way.

[The Stray Seed]

I seriously don't think I could ever define my favourite song of all time by any band.

Me either. No wait... I forgot about Metropolis.

[rumborak]

TCOT is an excellent song, and it's the last song of theirs I completely enjoyed without caveat. Despite all the silly lyrics and the Portnoycore.

Or, to rephrase the above more in line for this thread: DT has not a truly excellent song since BCSL. A lot of "good" and "decent" after that, but nothing that makes you say "holy shit, this song alone makes the album".

I dunno, I think BAI, BITS and IT fall in to that category

Definitely not IT, that song doesn't flow well at all.

[Viking of the Sagas]

Kinda have to agree. Without Portnoy there.. I dunno.. something epic was lost 

[Marion Crane]

I find ITPOE to be considerably better than Octavarium as far as the epics go

[BlobVanDam]

I find ITPOE to be considerably better than Octavarium as far as the epics go

I think a lot of ITPOE is amazing, its just the middle section of pt 2 with the instrumental, and that middle vocal section that are weaker points for me that stop me ranking it higher.
But part 1 is great from beginning to end to me, as is part 2 up until after that second chorus, and then the moog reprise of the melody onwards. I think it's definitely an underrated epic, so it's nice to see some appreciation, although I'd still give the nod the Octavarium myself.

[Prog Snob]

I find ITPOE to be considerably better than Octavarium as far as the epics go

I think a lot of ITPOE is amazing, its just the middle section of pt 2 with the instrumental, and that middle vocal section that are weaker points for me that stop me ranking it higher.
But part 1 is great from beginning to end to me, as is part 2 up until after that second chorus, and then the moog reprise of the melody onwards. I think it's definitely an underrated epic, so it's nice to see some appreciation, although I'd still give the nod the Octavarium myself.

After hearing  ITPOE Part 1, I thought we were in for a complete treat with Systematic Chaos.  From thereafter, a couple of the songs ruined that.  That being said, I agree with you regarding 8V beating out ITPOE.  Not by much for me though. 

[Polarbear]

I find ITPOE to be considerably better than Octavarium as far as the epics go

Once again, i agree with you

For me, Octavarium takes off a little too slow, while ITPOE starts out with a bang and is amazing all the way through. With that being said, Octavarium is still awesome most of the time.

[Vipmetal]

I don't really like much about The root of it all (E: The root of all evil) and Constant motion. Also Peruvian skies is overrated for what it is... But I'll try to play them and see if that changes my opinion...

And I really like You not me! 😃

[TheGreatPretender]

I find ITPOE to be considerably better than Octavarium as far as the epics go

Maybe as far as awesomeness goes. But Octavarium does provide many more different moods, colors and styles throughout, not to mention vastly larger variety of musical ideas, and that's a large part of what I value about epics.

[Crow]

I don't really like much about The root of it all and Constant motion. Also Peruvian skies is overrated for what it is... But I'll try to play them and see if that changes my opinion...

And I really like You not me! 😃

CM is the only song of those three I dislike, the other two are pretty damn good songs.
Also it's The Root of All Evil not The Root of It All but whatever.
And YNM is underrated. Yeah. It's not good by any means, no, but it gets more crap than it deserves if you ask me. I still don't like it, just saying.

[Vipmetal]

I also hate the intro of Octavarium... 😔

[ReaperKK]

I love the intro to Octavarium. I do agree with Marion though, ITPOE is a much better epic. It seems much more concise and never feels too long.

[Outcrier]

DT has not a truly excellent song since BCSL.

My take: DT has not a truly excellent song since Octavarium.

[wolfking]

I seriously wish 8VM was longer.  With that long intro, this song had potential to go for like an hour in the vein of Green Carnation's Light of Day Day of Darkness.

[TheGreatPretender]

I seriously wish 8VM was longer.  With that long intro, this song had potential to go for like an hour in the vein of Green Carnation's Light of Day Day of Darkness.

If it kept changing and growing the way it does, for a whole hour, it would probably just feel like listening to an album with some recurring themes, like an Octavarium version of Scenes From A Memory... I'd be totally up for that!

[wolfking]

I seriously wish 8VM was longer.  With that long intro, this song had potential to go for like an hour in the vein of Green Carnation's Light of Day Day of Darkness.

If it kept changing and growing the way it does, for a whole hour, it would probably just feel like listening to an album with some recurring themes, like an Octavarium version of Scenes From A Memory... I'd be totally up for that!

You are probably right.  I always liked the length, but that's one of the few songs I felt that could go for so much longer.

[Prog Snob]

I seriously wish 8VM was longer.  With that long intro, this song had potential to go for like an hour in the vein of Green Carnation's Light of Day Day of Darkness.

[Nel]

I was listening to Luna Park today and I realized there was something from Portnoy that I actually miss: His background vocals on War Inside My Head. His voice complemented it well there.

[BlobVanDam]

And YNM is underrated. Yeah. It's not good by any means, no, but it gets more crap than it deserves if you ask me. I still don't like it, just saying.

I agree entirely. The song is far too average to deserve such strong hate.
When I put on FII, I usually end up getting to the prechorus before I realize "oh wait, I don't really like this song" and skip it. Until then, it's alright. It's not at all unlistenable, it's just not particularly good either.