Author Topic: TCOT vs ITPOE (Read 12895 times)

SlitherX · « **on:** May 11, 2011, 01:21:29 PM »

Which epic do you enjoy more?

Ive always considered ITPOE to be a full song, rather than 2 songs. So for the sake of this poll, lets consider it to be one.

Jamesman42 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 11, 2011, 01:22:04 PM »

Good, because the band considers it one song as well.

Anyway, TCOT by far.

DarkLord_Lalinc · « **Reply #2 on:** May 11, 2011, 01:23:10 PM »

The Count of Tuscany. No match.

FretMuppet · « **Reply #3 on:** May 11, 2011, 01:24:27 PM »

TCoT, the musical textures are just magical

TAC · « **Reply #4 on:** May 11, 2011, 01:25:42 PM »

I have actually listened to both today!

I picked TCOT, but I love both songs. ITPOE gets a bad wrap, especially Pt2, but it's chock full of goodness.

DarkLord_Lalinc · « **Reply #5 on:** May 11, 2011, 01:27:16 PM »

I agree with TAC. ITPOE is great, and full of amazing moments and melodies. It just doesn't feel as cohesive as their other epics.

And TCOT is one of the best songs they've done since Octavarium, so there you have it.

RuRoRul · « **Reply #6 on:** May 11, 2011, 01:27:56 PM »

Close but I am going to go with The Count Of Tuscany. The intro and the last section are among the best bits of Dream Theater ever. I really love In The Presence Of Enemies though, I think it's one of their best songs.

TAC · « **Reply #7 on:** May 11, 2011, 01:33:32 PM »

I actually think The Heretic section is one of the coolest things they've done in a long time. One of the few recent spots where James gets to stretch a little. I love how he sings that section.

Mladen · « **Reply #8 on:** May 11, 2011, 01:34:30 PM »

Both incredible in their own way, it's a very close choice. I'll go with In the presence of enemies, because it has better lyrics. Yep...

Hal Incandenza · « **Reply #9 on:** May 11, 2011, 01:37:21 PM »

TCoT by a mile.

ITPoE is probably my least favorite DT epic song. It's not horrible or anything, just a matter of my preference.

bosk1 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 11, 2011, 01:41:32 PM »

ITPoE.

I still like TCOT, but it hasn't aged all that well. These two songs share an interesting common feature: They both have this odd moment in the middle of the song where they are going full-steam and then come grinding to a halt with a slow, atmospheric section that takes the song into slow-buildup mode. The main difference is this: In TCOT, the interlude, while cool, is so long and drawn out that I lose interest and feel it kills the momentum of the song (not to mention that I've heard better volume swell effects from other guitarists). In ITPoE, the interlude is relatively short and immediately starts building into one of the best sections of the whole song (see TAC's post). So I think I have to give it to ITPoE.

Ben_Jamin · « **Reply #11 on:** May 11, 2011, 01:43:29 PM »

TCoT, The harmonics in the intro, The volume Swells, the acoustic bit, and the outro makes it the winner. The outro is among the best thing they've ever done, makes you feel accomplished and triumphant.

jsem · « **Reply #12 on:** May 11, 2011, 01:49:28 PM »

Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 11, 2011, 01:23:10 PM

The Count of Tuscany. No match.

JimmyJava · « **Reply #13 on:** May 11, 2011, 02:00:23 PM »

Quote from: Ben_Jamin on May 11, 2011, 01:43:29 PM

TCoT, The harmonics in the intro, The volume Swells, the acoustic bit, and the outro makes it the winner. The outro is among the best thing they've ever done, makes you feel accomplished and triumphant.

My god, this. ITPOE is not a bad song at all but I don't know, it just feels like more of an experiment while Tuscany feels like a complete song. I wish Presence had more vocal parts instead of instrumental passages.

ReaPsTA · « **Reply #14 on:** May 11, 2011, 02:08:20 PM »

TCOT. It's a better overall song. Every section builds into the next and is relevant to the overall fabric of the song.

ITPOE has The Reckoning. And like an alcoholic doesn't go into bars, I'm not going to think about this anymore. It hurts too much.

One thing I'd say in ITPOE's favor though, the lyrics are way better than TCOT.

toro · « **Reply #15 on:** May 11, 2011, 02:21:00 PM »

lol ITPOE Part 2

The Count all day every day.

tri.ad · « **Reply #16 on:** May 11, 2011, 02:30:39 PM »

TCOT, no contest at all.

MarkFitDT · « **Reply #17 on:** May 11, 2011, 03:44:27 PM »

TCOT - ive been with DT since 1989 and i dont think ive listened to one of their songs as much since the "glory days" of I&W.

Absolute Classic

Mr. Beale · « **Reply #18 on:** May 11, 2011, 04:19:27 PM »

TCOT. Although I love ITPOE too (minus the reckoning).

manticore999 · « **Reply #19 on:** May 11, 2011, 04:23:05 PM »

Part one of ITPOE is good, part two - I can't even listen to. At least there was one good song on that album. TCOT isn't something I can get through. Lyrically, it's just awful, and musically it sounds like they phoned it in.

darkshade · « **Reply #20 on:** May 11, 2011, 04:34:20 PM »

TCOT, but that was hard, I love ItPoE a lot!

BanksD · « **Reply #21 on:** May 11, 2011, 05:18:16 PM »

TCOT

more like, i couldn't imagine a better last song for MP to play on a studio album.

Global Laziness · « **Reply #22 on:** May 11, 2011, 05:19:11 PM »

Quote from: FretMuppet on May 11, 2011, 01:24:27 PM

TCoT, the musical textures are just magical

LieLowTheWantedMan · « **Reply #23 on:** May 11, 2011, 06:20:42 PM »

ItPoE

wolfking · « **Reply #24 on:** May 11, 2011, 06:22:13 PM »

TCOT. There is no competition at all here. TCOT is absolutely amazing, ITPOE is not.

Ħ · « **Reply #25 on:** May 11, 2011, 07:48:17 PM »

What TAC and bosk said.....except I still rank TCOT higher.

TCOT has a better intro and a better outro, and a slightly better chorus.

INPOE has better verses, as well as Heretic and Slaughter of the Damned, probably the strongest thing they have from the last two albums.

TCOT has gone down for me, and INPOE has gone up.....but I still prefer TCOT. Maybe it's the magical feel of TCOT's intro and especially outro that seal the deal.

MetropolisxPt1 · « **Reply #26 on:** May 11, 2011, 07:49:36 PM »

TCOT because it just feels like a much more polished song and live versions with the lullaby solo is incredible.

N4Player · « **Reply #27 on:** May 11, 2011, 08:10:58 PM »

Have to go with TCOT as it is a favourite for me, but ITPOE is awesome too. Killer unisons but I like Pt1 more than Pt2.

The King in Crimson · « **Reply #28 on:** May 11, 2011, 08:28:41 PM »

ItPoE easily

Why? Because it's just absolutely balls out fun to blast this song and sing along to while driving. tCoT fails in this regard.

energythief · « **Reply #29 on:** May 11, 2011, 11:24:33 PM »

Quote from: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 11, 2011, 06:20:42 PM

ItPoE

Because the TCOT lyrics are LOLtastic.

Dr. DTVT · « **Reply #30 on:** May 11, 2011, 11:30:22 PM »

Musically, TCoT by far

lyrically, ItPoE by a little.

Live performance , TCoT by far

atmyne · « **Reply #31 on:** May 12, 2011, 12:45:47 AM »

TCOT is greater than both parts of ITPOE. However, as one song, I voted ITPOE, but not by much.

j · « **Reply #32 on:** May 12, 2011, 01:23:34 AM »

TCOT.

Both have flaws, but ITPOE (lookin' at you, part 2) has more.

-J

jcmoorehead · « **Reply #33 on:** May 12, 2011, 04:11:39 AM »

I think both are great but TCOT edges it just because I think it has a much more epic ending. For ITPOE you have the heretic section, then it goes into Slaughter Of The Damned which again is good and it just sort of fizzles out for me. That to me is the only thing that lets ITPOE down, wheras TCOT has this beautiful ending to it.

Jirpo · « **Reply #34 on:** May 12, 2011, 04:29:41 AM »

Well when it came out, TCOT by far (the ending is just amazing) but atm, probably ITPOE.

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Which do you enjoy more, and why?

Author Topic: TCOT vs ITPOE (Read 12895 times)