Your Controversial Opinions on DT

[Zook]

You evil DT hating goat bastard.

[XB0BX]

Dream Theater's a great band, and I've had many great times throughout my life enjoying their compositions.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Controversial? 

[Implode]

Prophets of War might be the best song on SC. ITPOE might beat it out barely, but it's definitely at least the second best.

[aprilethereal]

POW is pretty good, but when it comes to the Muse ripoffs, Never Enough is way better.

[Lucidity]

Here's my controversial thought of the day-- Mike Mangini's drumming on ADToE sounds much much better to me than the drums on DT12. Not because his drumming is worse, but the drums are so bad-sounding on DT12 that it should not have had all that hype from the band about MM being "unleashed." I actually really enjoy his drumming on ADToE, even if it is a bit quiet at times.

[rude boy]

I don't like Awake 

[jakepriest]

Here's my controversial thought of the day-- Mike Mangini's drumming on ADToE sounds much much better to me than the drums on DT12. Not because his drumming is worse, but the drums are so bad-sounding on DT12 that it should not have had all that hype from the band about MM being "unleashed." I actually really enjoy his drumming on ADToE, even if it is a bit quiet at times.

Technically, the drumming on ADTOE was miles ahead too.

I don't like Awake 

I used to hate Awake when I was getting into DT. Only about two months back when I truly started listening to it has it started growing on me. It's one of my top 4 albums now.

[Sycsa]

Here's my controversial thought of the day-- Mike Mangini's drumming on ADToE sounds much much better to me than the drums on DT12. Not because his drumming is worse, but the drums are so bad-sounding on DT12 that it should not have had all that hype from the band about MM being "unleashed." I actually really enjoy his drumming on ADToE, even if it is a bit quiet at times.

Technically, the drumming on ADTOE was miles ahead too.

That's simply not true.

Mike's ADTOE sound was indeed good, especially the snare, although the mix wasn't kind to him. I wish they would mix the drums similarly to SC or BCSL (or anything else before, for that matter), the toms especially need that extra punch. Maybe JP had enough of that. 

[TheGreatPretender]

Here's my controversial thought of the day-- Mike Mangini's drumming on ADToE sounds much much better to me than the drums on DT12. Not because his drumming is worse, but the drums are so bad-sounding on DT12 that it should not have had all that hype from the band about MM being "unleashed." I actually really enjoy his drumming on ADToE, even if it is a bit quiet at times.

I think his drums sound great. But I'm pretty sure you're by far not the only one who feels that way.


I don't know if this is so much of a controversial opinion as it is a controversial action, but I found a copy of the Limited Edition of Systematic Chaos today, and even though I already own a LE copy of it, I decided to buy a second one because I wanted one in mint condition.

[JayOctavarium]

I don't like DT12. As much as I try... I just don't like it. I don't HATE it though... and I do enjoy FAS, BTV and sometimes IT... but overall... it's forgettable.  Also... Wither sounds like it would go great as a track on DT12.

[TheGreatPretender]

I don't like DT12. As much as I try... I just don't like it.

That's what I said about Awake. Maybe you should just give it some time.

[JayOctavarium]

It might work... but I've also been giving disk of SDOIT years and it still doesn't do much.

[bl5150]

It might work... but I've also been giving disk of SDOIT years and it still doesn't do much.

if you mean disc one I totally agree.

[TheGreatPretender]

It might work... but I've also been giving disk of SDOIT years and it still doesn't do much.

Still, never know until you try.

[JayOctavarium]

oops...


I mean Disc 2

[ReaperKK]

While reading through lifting shadows I got to the the systematic chaos and I popped in the album for the first in years. Aside from PoW and repentance (snooze fest) the album is probably in the top 2 dt albums. It's probably the most concise album dt has made.

[Jaffa]

It's probably the most concise album dt has made.

Does not compute.

I don't mean to insult you, because you're totally entitled to your opinion, but it literally doesn't make sense to me that someone could consider an album with TMOLS and The Reckoning to be 'concise'.    

[ReaperKK]

To me every dt album has had it's weak points, SC has had the fewest when I look back along with SDOIT (SDOIT the song is rubbish for most part). I'm fairly drunk but I'll get into this more tomrrow.

[BlobVanDam]

To me every dt album has had it's weak points, SC has had the fewest when I look back along with SDOIT (SDOIT the song is rubbish for most part). I'm fairly drunk but I'll get into this more tomrrow.

In that case I'll wait until you're sober before I beat you up for this failure, buddy.

[ReaperKK]

I knew I was going to get a lot of flak lol

[Cable]

POW is pretty good, but when it comes to the Muse ripoffs, Never Enough is way better.

+1 and +1. 

On the PoW point, *ducks* I think it's better than Forsaken, TDEN and TMOLS.

[Lucien]

Heretic and Slaughter of the Damned alone make ITPOE part 2 better than part 1.

[TheGreatPretender]

To me every dt album has had it's weak points, SC has had the fewest when I look back along with SDOIT (SDOIT the song is rubbish for most part). I'm fairly drunk but I'll get into this more tomrrow.

By concise, you mean consistent, then? If so, then I agree. POW and Repentance included.

And yeah, SDOIT the title track does have quite a few stumbles. It's like pizza with toppings you don't like. There's still a lot of good stuff there, the dough, the sauce, the cheese, but it's hard to enjoy without having to pick out all the unwanted toppings.

[Anguyen92]

To me every dt album has had it's weak points, SC has had the fewest when I look back along with SDOIT (SDOIT the song is rubbish for most part). I'm fairly drunk but I'll get into this more tomrrow.

By concise, you mean consistent, then? If so, then I agree. POW and Repentance included.

And yeah, SDOIT the title track does have quite a few stumbles. It's like pizza with toppings you don't like. There's still a lot of good stuff there, the dough, the sauce, the cheese, but it's hard to enjoy without having to pick out all the unwanted toppings.

That's why you request said pizza to have each slice be filled up with different toppings so that everyone could get their favorites in one slice.  For me, it's Solitary Shell with a little bit of The Test That Stumped Them All.

[TheGreatPretender]

That's why you request said pizza to have each slice be filled up with different toppings so that everyone could get their favorites in one slice.  For me, it's Solitary Shell with a little bit of The Test That Stumped Them All.

You can distribute the toppings onto different parts of the pizza and give everyone just the part they like, but trying to enjoy the entire pizza leaves quite a few parts that leave a bad taste in your mouth.

[BlobVanDam]

SDOIT is one pizza. And it's all delicious. If I only eat one slice, I'm not getting all of the flavour.



Now I want some pizza. And to listen to SDOIT.

[425]

SDOIT is one hell of a marathon as far as songs go, which I think makes it harder to listen to sometimes, but I'm with Blob. It's all excellent.

[TheGreatPretender]

Length isn't the problem, consistency is. I usually listen to SFAM from beginning to end, happily, but SDOIT has weak spots right in the middle, which make it difficult to enjoy all the way through. The orchestra on Score improve those parts, though, thankfully.

[BlobVanDam]

Length isn't the problem, consistency is. I usually listen to SFAM from beginning to end, happily, but SDOIT has weak spots right in the middle, which make it difficult to enjoy all the way through. The orchestra on Score improve those parts, though, thankfully.

I can't listen to the Score version. The orchestra is too out of tune, and the live tempos on the lighter sections ruin them.
The studio version is perfect imo. No weak spots, and those 42 minutes have always flown by super fast for me. I've don't recall ever listening to individual parts of it. It would be like just watching a scene from a movie out of context. It needs to be one piece.

[TheGreatPretender]

I can't listen to the Score version. The orchestra is too out of tune, and the live tempos on the lighter sections ruin them.
The studio version is perfect imo. No weak spots, and those 42 minutes have always flown by super fast for me. I've don't recall ever listening to individual parts of it. It would be like just watching a scene from a movie out of context. It needs to be one piece.

Unless it's one of those movies that consists of different vignettes, like Waking Life or even Clerks. Sure, the bigger picture gives the proper perspective, but the vignettes are still enjoyable on their own.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Length isn't the problem, consistency is. I usually listen to SFAM from beginning to end, happily, but SDOIT has weak spots right in the middle, which make it difficult to enjoy all the way through. The orchestra on Score improve those parts, though, thankfully.

I can't listen to the Score version. The orchestra is too out of tune, and the live tempos on the lighter sections ruin them.
The studio version is perfect imo. No weak spots, and those 42 minutes have always flown by super fast for me. I've don't recall ever listening to individual parts of it. It would be like just watching a scene from a movie out of context. It needs to be one piece.

I always hear people say this, but I've never noticed it. I suppose I'm either tone deaf, or so prog that I enjoy out of tune music.

[Cable]

Length isn't the problem, consistency is. I usually listen to SFAM from beginning to end, happily, but SDOIT has weak spots right in the middle, which make it difficult to enjoy all the way through. The orchestra on Score improve those parts, though, thankfully.

I can't listen to the Score version. The orchestra is too out of tune, and the live tempos on the lighter sections ruin them.
The studio version is perfect imo. No weak spots, and those 42 minutes have always flown by super fast for me. I've don't recall ever listening to individual parts of it. It would be like just watching a scene from a movie out of context. It needs to be one piece.

I always hear people say this, but I've never noticed it. I suppose I'm either tone deaf, or so prog that I enjoy out of tune music.

My ear blows picking out pitches/notes and what not. But it is very obvious, to me, if you listen to the first few bars of the studio Overture, then the Score Overture.

That said, there are pieces here and there I prefer about both versions.

[Sycsa]

Length isn't the problem, consistency is. I usually listen to SFAM from beginning to end, happily, but SDOIT has weak spots right in the middle, which make it difficult to enjoy all the way through. The orchestra on Score improve those parts, though, thankfully.

I can't listen to the Score version. The orchestra is too out of tune, and the live tempos on the lighter sections ruin them.
The studio version is perfect imo. No weak spots, and those 42 minutes have always flown by super fast for me. I've don't recall ever listening to individual parts of it. It would be like just watching a scene from a movie out of context. It needs to be one piece.

I always hear people say this, but I've never noticed it. I suppose I'm either tone deaf, or so prog that I enjoy out of tune music.

My ear blows picking out pitches/notes and what not. But it is very obvious, to me, if you listen to the first few bars of the studio Overture, then the Score Overture.

That said, there are pieces here and there I prefer about both versions.

Besides that, the most obvious example is in WIMH @ 13:30. There, the orchestra is like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOUsbtUrXHk. How can professional musicians get away with something like that?

Listening to that version also makes me realize how much I miss MP's backing vocals, James doing it with himself while JP lipsyncs makes me uncomfortable.

[ReaperKK]

To me every dt album has had it's weak points, SC has had the fewest when I look back along with SDOIT (SDOIT the song is rubbish for most part). I'm fairly drunk but I'll get into this more tomrrow.

By concise, you mean consistent, then? If so, then I agree. POW and Repentance included.

And yeah, SDOIT the title track does have quite a few stumbles. It's like pizza with toppings you don't like. There's still a lot of good stuff there, the dough, the sauce, the cheese, but it's hard to enjoy without having to pick out all the unwanted toppings.

Yes, SC is the most consistent album they have. The first disk of SDOIT is very consistent as well, honestly I think the weakest part of SDOIT is the title track.