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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3640 on: June 29, 2019, 08:57:49 AM »
I don't mean to offend anyone, but are Haken really that good, or is it the hype? (I'm not too familiar with them, so that's why I ask)
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3641 on: June 29, 2019, 08:59:50 AM »
Probably somewhere in the middle
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3642 on: June 29, 2019, 09:00:34 AM »
Quote from: Max Kuehnau on June 29, 2019, 08:57:49 AM
I don't mean to offend anyone, but are Haken really that good, or is it the hype? (I'm not too familiar with them, so that's why I ask)

Hmmm, I wonder what fans in this thread will say...:P

I didn't buy the hype at first outside of a few songs, but they slowly won me over, and now I would definitely say they are that good.  The singer was a tough hill for me to climb, but I got there eventually. 
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3643 on: June 29, 2019, 09:04:47 AM »
I'd say it's an acquired taste. Either you like them, or you don't. A lot of people here like them, and a lot of people, well, don't. My best friend doesn't like them at all, and I throw at him all kinds of music I like and that's basically how I introduced him to Steven Wilson, Agalloch, Wolverine, Leprous, Ayreon; he loves all those bands but he doesn't like Haken. I, on the other hand, love them. They're a breath of fresh air in a prog metal scene.

I travelled to Hamburg to see their show and do a meet and greet with them, and it was worth every penny and then some. I had a blast chatting with them, and the show was fantastic.

Another thing I wanted to kinda mention, I love how diverse their T-shirts are. For Vector tour, I have a beige one, a red one, a black one with green/orange print, the black with insects and then I also bought the green Heineken/Haken one because that one is pretty good. I think among all the bands Haken is the one I own most T-shirts from. :lol
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3644 on: June 29, 2019, 09:08:27 AM »
To anyone still wanting to check them out for the first time, I would strongly recommend to not start with Initiate and The Good Doctor, the lead "singles" from their last two albums. Those have got to be their most bland songs ever; it's almost like they tried to write something short and catchy to attract new fans, but those kinds of songs are not their forte. 
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3645 on: June 29, 2019, 01:56:15 PM »
Quote from: Max Kuehnau on June 29, 2019, 08:57:49 AM
I don't mean to offend anyone, but are Haken really that good, or is it the hype? (I'm not too familiar with them, so that's why I ask)
I don't understand the question. Surely the hype is precisely because a reasonably large number of people think they really are that good.
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3646 on: June 29, 2019, 03:10:04 PM »
Quote from: KevShmev on June 29, 2019, 09:08:27 AM
To anyone still wanting to check them out for the first time, I would strongly recommend to not start with Initiate and The Good Doctor, the lead "singles" from their last two albums. Those have got to be their most bland songs ever; it's almost like they tried to write something short and catchy to attract new fans, but those kinds of songs are not their forte.

I guess that my unpopular take is that the short, catchy songs might be my favorite songs on Affinity (Initiate, Lapse and Earthrise).
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3647 on: June 29, 2019, 05:55:16 PM »
Is "hype" even an applicable word for a band that has been around for a decade and has released 5 albums?
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3648 on: June 30, 2019, 06:09:50 AM »
Quote from: Max Kuehnau on June 29, 2019, 08:57:49 AM
I don't mean to offend anyone, but are Haken really that good, or is it the hype? (I'm not too familiar with them, so that's why I ask)
Every single one of their albums rates very good to excellent for me.
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3649 on: June 30, 2019, 06:31:55 AM »
Quote from: KevShmev on June 29, 2019, 09:08:27 AM
To anyone still wanting to check them out for the first time, I would strongly recommend to not start with Initiate and The Good Doctor, the lead "singles" from their last two albums. Those have got to be their most bland songs ever; it's almost like they tried to write something short and catchy to attract new fans, but those kinds of songs are not their forte.

Darkest Light falls into this category too. Just bland and very typical. I don't think their strength is in that type of song, but Good Doctor is the best of the bunch imo.
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3650 on: June 30, 2019, 07:18:08 AM »
Quote from: DTA on June 30, 2019, 06:31:55 AM
Darkest Light falls into this category too. Just bland and very typical. I don't think their strength is in that type of song, but Good Doctor is the best of the bunch imo.

I agree about Darkest Light.  I am not a fan of that one either.

Quote from: 425 on June 29, 2019, 03:10:04 PM

I guess that my unpopular take is that the short, catchy songs might be my favorite songs on Affinity (Initiate, Lapse and Earthrise).

Earthrise is excellent, and I like Lapse quite a bit as well. Initiate is just bland.
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3651 on: June 30, 2019, 07:48:15 AM »
I think Initiate is a best song on Affinity.
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3652 on: June 30, 2019, 08:39:18 AM »
Initiate and Good Doctor both work well as album openers for me. They are both leave me a bit unsatisfied and craving for more. Especially Initiate, which cuts off abruptly to be continued in Architect and Bound by Gravity.
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3653 on: June 30, 2019, 08:14:45 PM »
Ya, I didn't think Initiate was all that great.   Fortunately, the album just keeps getting better, and ends with possibly their greatest album closer of all time.   

Vector, unfortunately, is just the opposite for me.  Pretty good opener, but then just "above average" for most of the rest of the album.
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3654 on: June 30, 2019, 08:19:29 PM »
Gotta be honest, for me the last two albums are a significant drop-off from the first three.

The first three, especially Aquarius and The Mountain were excellent, so a significant drop-off is still good, but it's still there and noticeable for me.
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3655 on: June 30, 2019, 08:33:41 PM »
Affinity, for me, was a drastic "left turn"....but I felt pretty strongly that that is what made it so great.   They were in danger of repeating themselves if they didn't do something very different with their 4th album, so that's exactly what they did.   

I have to give The Mountain the edge, because the theme and lyrics are extremely personal to me.   I heard that album for the first time at a very dark time in my life when I was wondering if it was worth it to go on.   But the albums theme of overcoming adversity.....and really doing it in such a positive uplifting way....was just the right music at the right moment.  Totally pulled me out of my funk.   

That having been said, Affinity is possibly a musically superior album.   The musical themes (as opposed to the lyrical themes) are truly breathtaking.   Not that The Mountain's aren't, but the musical congruency of Affinity is just....wow.   
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3656 on: June 30, 2019, 09:17:00 PM »
I definitely share your high opinion of The Mountain.

Affinity just ain't that for me. I can really for the most part take or leave everything after Earthrise. Red Giant and Bound By Gravity are enjoyable but not memorable, and The Endless Knot is not really my style, though not by any means bad. And I never got the massive hype around 1985. It's a solid song, but it's 5th on the album by a wide margin. For me, Affinity is three very good to great short songs, a very good epic (that nonetheless does not match any of their previous epics in quality), and some stuff that's solid but not exciting.
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3657 on: June 30, 2019, 09:40:55 PM »
the mountain is their best, aquarius is right behind it. affinity and vector are solid, visions is meh.

also, darkest light is maybe the worst haken song because not only is it bland and repetitive but it takes the best song off their demo and makes it significantly less interesting. i don't know why they did that to the song.

anyways the good doctor is great actually
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3658 on: July 02, 2019, 02:18:02 AM »
Going to see the boys tonight in Nürnberg! And next week again in Dresden - can't wait for this cheerful insanity!
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3659 on: July 02, 2019, 05:53:40 AM »
I saw them headline in my hometown in March. I'm going to see them next week in a city two hours away. And I'm going to see them in December, when they open for Devin Townsend.

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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3660 on: July 17, 2019, 05:34:17 PM »
I'm going to interview Richard about his solo album next week. Questions for him?
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3661 on: July 17, 2019, 10:42:28 PM »
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I'm going to interview Richard about his solo album next week. Questions for him?
What he can tell us about the next Haken album? :corn
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3662 on: July 18, 2019, 07:41:32 AM »
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I'm going to interview Richard about his solo album next week. Questions for him?
What he can tell us about the next Haken album? :corn

I think it will be a continuation of the last one which many called a conceptual album
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3663 on: July 18, 2019, 10:16:17 AM »
I was just thinking... I'd love to hear Haken do an album of Covers. I'd donate to a crowdfund for that. Include Africa and a DT song :lol
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3664 on: July 18, 2019, 10:21:53 AM »
Quote from: JayOctavarium on July 18, 2019, 10:16:17 AM
I was just thinking... I'd love to hear Haken do an album of Covers. I'd donate to a crowdfund for that. Include Africa and a DT song :lol

MP's TSF was pretty close to a show of Haken doing DT and it was really awesome.  I'm not sure I'd want them to focus on an album of covers, but if they did a bonus disc of covers for their next album similar to what DT did for BC&SL, I'd be down with that.
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3665 on: July 18, 2019, 10:22:48 AM »
Quote from: JayOctavarium on July 18, 2019, 10:16:17 AM
I was just thinking... I'd love to hear Haken do an album of Covers. I'd donate to a crowdfund for that. Include Africa and a DT song :lol

If they ever did a DT song, I really hope they don’t do anything really classic like PMU or Home. Instead it might be cool if they took something older and obscure and did it really different. Make it Haken-ized.
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3666 on: July 18, 2019, 10:39:14 AM »
Quote from: RodrigoAltaf on July 17, 2019, 05:34:17 PM
I'm going to interview Richard about his solo album next week. Questions for him?

Is Nova Collective still working on new material?

What's the song (by any artist) that you played the most when practicing guitar?
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3667 on: July 18, 2019, 10:47:32 AM »
Quote from: jammindude on July 18, 2019, 10:22:48 AM
Quote from: JayOctavarium on July 18, 2019, 10:16:17 AM
I was just thinking... I'd love to hear Haken do an album of Covers. I'd donate to a crowdfund for that. Include Africa and a DT song :lol

If they ever did a DT song, I really hope they don’t do anything really classic like PMU or Home. Instead it might be cool if they took something older and obscure and did it really different. Make it Haken-ized.

Yeah, I'd pay for that, but I don't want it to be a note-for-note cover. Do something like Nightwish did with High Hopes (well, not the best example because you can't improve High Hopes), do something different or at least make it sound like your song.
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3668 on: August 02, 2019, 08:25:21 AM »
HaKEN ft. Aqua - Barbie Box

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YOU CAN TOUCH YOU CAN PLAY BUT YOU CANNOT SOLVE THIS PUZZLE BOX

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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3669 on: August 02, 2019, 08:50:39 AM »
Quote from: MinistroRaven on August 02, 2019, 08:25:21 AM
HaKEN ft. Aqua - Barbie Box

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NyXTnZQh1c

YOU CAN TOUCH YOU CAN PLAY BUT YOU CANNOT SOLVE THIS PUZZLE BOX

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This is awful... but I can't stop listening :lol
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3670 on: August 02, 2019, 09:39:09 AM »
omg  :lol this is ridiculous but it kind of works, I mean I don't actually enjoy it but it's hilarious
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3671 on: August 05, 2019, 06:22:00 AM »
I finally spoke with Richard Henshall last saturday, and the interview was published today. Check it out!!!

https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-richard-henshall/?fbclid=IwAR3pnOiRsusZomn-HOZ-3BYDVJ_j3M70rvhJWgDWP7NkKszfzMFZuDfTH48
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3672 on: August 05, 2019, 09:57:40 AM »
Quote from: MinistroRaven on August 02, 2019, 08:25:21 AM
HaKEN ft. Aqua - Barbie Box

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NyXTnZQh1c

YOU CAN TOUCH YOU CAN PLAY BUT YOU CANNOT SOLVE THIS PUZZLE BOX

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Oh My....
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I just don't understand what they were trying to achieve with any part of the song, either individually or as a whole. You know what? It's the Platypus of Dream Theater songs. That bill doesn't go with that tail, or that strange little furry body, or those webbed feet, and oh god why does it have venomous spurs!? And then you find out it lays eggs too. The difference is that the Platypus is somehow functional despite being a crazy mishmash or leftover animal pieces

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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3673 on: August 05, 2019, 10:45:41 AM »
Burnished just shipped Richard's solo album. I hope I get by end of this week. Very excited about this one!
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Re: Haken v. Vector (Oct. 26)
« Reply #3674 on: August 05, 2019, 11:06:22 AM »
Quote from: goo-goo on August 05, 2019, 10:45:41 AM
Burnished just shipped Richard's solo album. I hope I get by end of this week. Very excited about this one!

It's Haken meets Zappa.
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