2017 NFL thread v. Patriots Dynasty

[KevShmev]

Haha, I was thinking that, too.

"If I dig long enough, I can find a stat or two that shows Ben is Rodgers' equal!!!...while ignoring the countless other ones where it ain't close." 

Team success is the only edge Ben has, and the Steelers have quite obviously done a much better job at surrounding Ben with a great team around him for most of his career than the Packers have since 2008 with Rodgers (they are trash without him).

[jingle.boy]

I'll leave this to the statisticians, but I'm on TAC's side here that Big Ben is on the same level as Rodgers.  The general memory test would suggest that Ben had the tougher divisional opponents over the last 12 years (Browns notwithstanding).  Bengals/Ravens have been (by-and-large) better teams than Bears/Vikings/Lions.

[TAC]

The general memory test would suggest that Ben had the tougher divisional opponents over the last 12 years (Browns notwithstanding).  Bengals/Ravens have been (by-and-large) better teams than Bears/Vikings/Lions.

So I was just about to post this very information. I would've thought the same thing, but the aggregate records over the last 10 years is the AFC North(Not counting the Steelers) is 214-260-3 and the NFC North (not counting GB) is 220-256-1.
The AFC North has easily the team with the best record (Ravens 94-65) and the worst (Browns 38-121). The Bengals (82-74-3) and the Vikings (84-74-1) are a wash.

[TAC]

Haha, I was thinking that, too.

"If I dig long enough, I can find a stat or two that shows Ben is Rodgers' equal!!!...while ignoring the countless other ones where it ain't close." 

Team success is the only edge Ben has, and the Steelers have quite obviously done a much better job at surrounding Ben with a great team around him for most of his career than the Packers have since 2008 with Rodgers (they are trash without him).

So Rodgers is a better passer. Big whoops.

[TAC]

But here's is what I am saying. I am not saying Ben is better than Rodgers. What I am saying is that they are not in different classes.

[jingle.boy]

The general memory test would suggest that Ben had the tougher divisional opponents over the last 12 years (Browns notwithstanding).  Bengals/Ravens have been (by-and-large) better teams than Bears/Vikings/Lions.

So I was just about to post this very information. I would've thought the same thing, but the aggregate records over the last 10 years is the AFC North(Not counting the Steelers) is 214-260-3 and the NFC North (not counting GB) is 220-256-1.
The AFC North has easily the team with the best record (Ravens 94-65) and the worst (Browns 38-121). The Bengals (82-74-3) and the Vikings (84-74-1) are a wash.

Well suck me sideways.

[TAC]

Well suck me sideways.

Um...I'd rather just let Kev win the argument. 

[Cool Chris]

C'mon Browns, what the hell? Don't let the dream of achieving the perfect season get away from you now!

[mikeyd23]

But here's is what I am saying. I am not saying Ben is better than Rodgers. What I am saying is that they are not in different classes.

Agreed.

And Kev, back to a question you asked on the last page - what has Ben done? When I have the free time I can sit down and dig up all his accomplishments, but for real? He’s done a lot, the fact that some years he a good supporting cast (but remember some years he didn’t) doesn’t invalidate the guys accomplishments.

That said I’m totally with you on the Tomlin post, the unprepared nature of the team after the James TD was overturned was the perfect snapshot of his continual screw ups as a coach.

[RoeDent]

Does anyone else feel like the Browns are starting to undermine the importance of the first overall draft pick? They keep getting it, and their picks never make them any better.

[DragonAttack]

Glad the 'snide' is somewhat over for my long ago forlorn Lion fans and friends.

I am sure that similar jerseys will be a hot item along Lake Erie in brown and orange

[Cool Chris]

Does anyone else feel like the Browns are starting to undermine the importance of the first overall draft pick draft?

Yes.

[Dublagent66]

What happened?  Did Philly play their practice squad today?    So much for home field advantage.

Does anyone else feel like the Browns are starting to undermine the importance of the first overall draft pick draft?

Yes.

Yeah, the 1st round pick after a shitty season isn’t much of a consolation prize.

[KevShmev]

So Rodgers is a better passer. Big whoops.

Because one QB being a better passer than another means nothing?

But here's is what I am saying. I am not saying Ben is better than Rodgers. What I am saying is that they are not in different classes.

Except that they are.  By just every individual measure imaginable, Rodgers is in a different class.

Does anyone else feel like the Browns are starting to undermine the importance of the first overall draft pick? They keep getting it, and their picks never make them any better.

Because their culture is a joke.  They could've taken Carson Wentz last year and found a way to screw it up.

[Cool Chris]

Seahawks playing with typical post-SB49 Seahawk heart. See you guys next season! Well, the ones who are still on the team anyway.

[TAC]

Aaron Rodgers is coming to Foxboro next year!!!!!!!

www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/new-england-patriots-2018-schedule-set


R-O-D-G-E-R-S!!!!



Commented Rodgers:" My Twitter pal @Kev Shmev (pictured above) told me some dude out there was talkin' smack. F#%K Big Ben".

[Stadler]

But here's is what I am saying. I am not saying Ben is better than Rodgers. What I am saying is that they are not in different classes.

I agree with this.  If I'm starting a football team, and they tell me "look, you're going to get Ben in his prime, or Aaron in his prime, and we'll flip a coin for it", I'm good with that.   I have to build different teams, perhaps, but they are both great ways to start an offense. 

[TAC]

Right, and for all of Rogers' stats, it amounts to a Field Goal difference per game.

It's the Manning vs Brady argument.


And I hate the "If Rogers had Belichick, he'd have a ton of rings too" argument. Puleeze. Ben certainly didn't have Belichick and still has 3 rings.

[KevShmev]

Ben has 2 rings, chief.

A FG a game is significant over the course of a 16-game season.  The Patriots scored 458 points this season; the Lions scored 410.  That is a difference of a FG a game, so I guess that means Brady and Stafford were on the same level this year, right?

Also, let me know when the Packers get Rodgers a RB nearly as good as LeVeon Bell or a WR as good as Antonio Brown.

[KevShmev]

Poor Bills fans. They now have to hope Dalton comes back to beat the Ravens for them to make the playoffs.

Meanwhile, the Titans were basically handed a playoff spot today by getting to play a Jags team that had nothing to play for.

[TAC]

Ben has 2 rings, chief.

Ah..that's right.
#inflategate

[KevShmev]

I will say, the infatuation of Pats fans to suddenly find ways to make Rodgers seems less great are interesting. I have seen it in a lot of places. It's like they got wind of the fact last year that most considered Rodgers and Brady 1a and 1b (currently, not all-time), so now they have to find ways to nit pick Rodgers to make him seem less great, because they can't stand anyone being compared to the Golden Boy.  I guess with Peyton retired, they miss having a great QB to trash, so Rodgers is the easy target.

[KevShmev]

OMG, that play in the Bengals/Ravens game!!!!!!

[TAC]

I will say, the infatuation of Pats fans to suddenly find ways to make Rodgers seems less great are interesting. I have seen it in a lot of places. It's like they got wind of the fact last year that most considered Rodgers and Brady 1a and 1b (currently, not all-time), so now they have to find ways to nit pick Rodgers to make him seem less great, because they can't stand anyone being compared to the Golden Boy. I guess with Peyton retired, they miss having a great QB to trash, so Rodgers is the easy target.

No Kev, that's not it at all. At least for me. Trust me, there is plenty of Brady ball washing around here.

Look, I am in no way trying to discredit anything Rogers has done. My whole entire point is about Ben Roethlislberger.

Look, yes, I think Brady is the best QB in the league right now. Yes, I think Rodgers is the second best.  But you can throw all the stats you want at me, and I just don't feel that Roethlisberger, even though he may not be better than Rodgers, is a whole class of QB's below him.

I'm not trying to discredit Rodgers, I'm trying to credit Roethlisberger. Don't label me as some homer Brady bum. This conversation has nothing to do with Brady.

[King Postwhore]

I will say, the infatuation of Pats fans to suddenly find ways to make Rodgers seems less great are interesting. I have seen it in a lot of places. It's like they got wind of the fact last year that most considered Rodgers and Brady 1a and 1b (currently, not all-time), so now they have to find ways to nit pick Rodgers to make him seem less great, because they can't stand anyone being compared to the Golden Boy.  I guess with Peyton retired, they miss having a great QB to trash, so Rodgers is the easy target.

Hey hey! Settle down.  Rodgers is better.

Also, thank you Cincy!! The Ravens give me nightmares.

[El Barto]

LOL Ravens.

Looks like Black Monday will be anti-climactic. I wonder if they even let Del Rio get back to Oakland before firing him.

Pretty crappy wildcard weekend coming up, by the looks of it. 

[TAC]

NFL Network is already reporting Del Rio has been fired.

[King Postwhore]

LOL Ravens.

Looks like Black Monday will be anti-climactic. I wonder if they even let Del Rio get back to Oakland before firing him.

Pretty crappy wildcard weekend coming up, by the looks of it.

Isn't every wildcard weekend crappy of late?

[El Barto]

James Harrison effectively doubled his season production today. Three tackles plus 2 assists, 2 sacks, and a forced fumble. As far as I know there were no fatalities.

[TAC]

Yeah, he was around the ball.

[Stadler]

I'm watching this Bills-Dolphins game, and while I'm excited for Buffalo, I watch when they cut to Tie Rod Taylor on the sideline, and he's sitting slumped on the bench, staring at the scoreboard with his tongue sticking out of his mouth, in a 13-pt game where momentum is completely moving in Miami's direction. 

Contrast that with Rodgers, Brady, Wilson, Prescott, Ben, Brees...  all working with teammates and studying film/photos/Surface Tablets to get the advantage. The difference between good players and CHAMPIONS.   

[Stadler]

I will say, the infatuation of Pats fans to suddenly find ways to make Rodgers seems less great are interesting. I have seen it in a lot of places. It's like they got wind of the fact last year that most considered Rodgers and Brady 1a and 1b (currently, not all-time), so now they have to find ways to nit pick Rodgers to make him seem less great, because they can't stand anyone being compared to the Golden Boy.  I guess with Peyton retired, they miss having a great QB to trash, so Rodgers is the easy target.

This is nonsense.   This is the same as the nonsense around Portnoy and Sons of Apollo.   If you're not a fan boy, you're bashing.   Personally?   I love Aaron Rodgers.  If I was a GM, I'd be happy as a clam to have him on my team.   Having said that, he's not Brady.  Yeah, he has some spectacular wins, and he's a human highlight reel.    But Brady wins ALL* the games, not just the spectacular endings.   

* Not literally "all" the games but he wins the grinders, the air-it-outs, the must-haves and the garbage games.  No, he's not perfect, but he's as good as they get. 

[Cool Chris]

James Harrison effectively doubled his season production today. Three tackles plus 2 assists, 2 sacks, and a forced fumble. As far as I know there were no fatalities.

Did you think they signed Rae Carruth?

ATL wins their game, knocking the Seahawks out of the playoffs, and then Blair Walsh misses a potential game-winning FG. Priceless.

And FU Bills, now the Mariners have the longest playoff drought in the 4 major sports.

[DragonAttack]

I'm watching this Bills-Dolphins game, and while I'm excited for Buffalo, I watch when they cut to Tie Rod Taylor on the sideline, and he's sitting slumped on the bench, staring at the scoreboard with his tongue sticking out of his mouth, in a 13-pt game where momentum is completely moving in Miami's direction. 

Contrast that with Rodgers, Brady, Wilson, Prescott, Ben, Brees...  all working with teammates and studying film/photos/Surface Tablets to get the advantage. The difference between good players and CHAMPIONS.

And.....ten seconds later all those QBs are just sitting there, and ten seconds later Tyrod is talking to a teammate or on the phones upstairs talking about a play.  I hate close ups of QBs on the field calling signals, I hate close ups of QBs sitting on the sidelines ('they're not playing defense, Mr. Cameraman and Mr. Director).  I've seen way too many pictures of Ben, Brady, Flacco et al 'just sitting there'.  Same goes for stone faced head coaches, assistant coaches, or coaches talking behind their play cards. 

Now, get off my yard!

<mike drop>

[King Postwhore]

 

Mike drop.  Lol

It's his on field play that matters.