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Re: Mt. Rushmore of Hard Rock/Metal Guitarists
« Reply #105 on: February 23, 2023, 12:12:00 PM »
bosk:

The criteria are strict on purpose - Mt. Rushmore is supposed to be the absolute pinnacle, right? Immortalized for their importance. The criteria are absolutely necessary in order to make sure the "right" people are on it, ya know?

When we're talking influence though, Jeffrey Dunn and Kevin Heybourne are not really even household names among metal fans.  They've heard of the bands, but no one cites their style like they do Hetfield's.  Innovation in music is never really about being literally the first person to do something, you have to generate a following. 

And I don't think being a complete player is really necessary, you can have a specialist, particularly when even in metal rhythm guitar is still 80%+ of the song. 

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« Reply #106 on: February 23, 2023, 12:12:54 PM »
Bit of an out there choice but how about Sister Rosetta Tharpe?
Out there choice for hard rock/metal guitarists?  That's one way to put it.

Well, all I'll say is that I don't think it's a coincidence that I searched for her on YouTube, and after two videos of hers played in a row, the next one that came up on autoplay was a Metallica performance of Hardwired To Self-Destruct.  I think it's pretty clear that there are forces we cannot see or comprehend that are trying to tell us that Tharpe and Hetfield and pretty much two sides of the same coin here. 
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« Reply #107 on: February 23, 2023, 12:37:21 PM »
Bit of an out there choice but how about Sister Rosetta Tharpe?
Out there choice for hard rock/metal guitarists?  That's one way to put it.

Well, all I'll say is that I don't think it's a coincidence that I searched for her on YouTube, and after two videos of hers played in a row, the next one that came up on autoplay was a Metallica performance of Hardwired To Self-Destruct.  I think it's pretty clear that there are forced we cannot see or comprehend that are trying to tell us that Tharpe and Hetfield and pretty much two sides of the same coin here.
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Re: Mt. Rushmore of Hard Rock/Metal Guitarists
« Reply #108 on: February 23, 2023, 03:05:41 PM »
Bit of an out there choice but how about Sister Rosetta Tharpe?

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« Reply #109 on: February 23, 2023, 03:32:07 PM »
Can we start the bass and drum Mt. Rushmore threads now?
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« Reply #110 on: February 23, 2023, 03:33:45 PM »
I'm looking forward to the cowbell one. 

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« Reply #111 on: February 23, 2023, 03:34:25 PM »
Bit of an out there choice but how about Sister Rosetta Tharpe?

Stadler in here to support this in 3....2...

Why not?  She helped me learn Spanish.

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« Reply #112 on: February 23, 2023, 06:08:04 PM »
Can we start the bass and drum Mt. Rushmore threads now?

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« Reply #113 on: February 23, 2023, 09:53:33 PM »
How was Cobain innovative with the instrument?

I'd say Litho and Munny have explained it better than I can already.  Not being a guitarist myself, just a lifelong drummer and music fan, so I can't really speak about technique, theory etc.  Innovative I suppose in how he delivered a movement to the masses while adding his own style.  Like it or not, it exploded in popularity that lives on to this day.
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« Reply #114 on: February 24, 2023, 03:59:43 AM »
How was Cobain innovative with the instrument?

I'd say Litho and Munny have explained it better than I can already.  Not being a guitarist myself, just a lifelong drummer and music fan, so I can't really speak about technique, theory etc.  Innovative I suppose in how he delivered a movement to the masses while adding his own style.  Like it or not, it exploded in popularity that lives on to this day.

I am an adequate guitarist but I simply can't see what he did on the instrument worthy of being named here.

A movement to the masses he did, I agree but it had nothing to do with the way he played or what he did on the guitar.
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« Reply #115 on: February 24, 2023, 04:48:34 AM »
Bit of an out there choice but how about Sister Rosetta Tharpe?
Out there choice for hard rock/metal guitarists?  That's one way to put it.

Well she was pre those genres, but she clearly influenced those who went on to create blues and rock n roll.
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« Reply #116 on: February 24, 2023, 06:46:43 AM »
Can we start the bass and drum Mt. Rushmore threads now?

DRUMS:
My personal ones:
Bonham
Peart
Collins
Portnoy

More objective:
Bonham
Peart
Collins
Starr


BASS:
My personal:
Chris Squire
Paul McCartney
Geezer Butler (the REAL juice behind Sabbath, IMO)
Les Claypool



More objective:
Chris Squire
Paul McCartney
Geezer Butler
Geddy Lee


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« Reply #117 on: February 24, 2023, 06:48:46 AM »
If that catches on I certainly have my own lists, including saxophone, violin, and mandolin.  :)

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« Reply #118 on: February 24, 2023, 07:09:27 AM »
Baker. Bonham, Moon and Peart.

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« Reply #119 on: February 24, 2023, 09:19:18 AM »
Peart, Moon, Bonham, and Portnoy... With a spot saved for Kawaguchi when she finishes becoming the best drummer ever

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« Reply #120 on: February 24, 2023, 09:32:00 AM »
Drummers:

D'Virgilio, Peart, Collins, Portnoy

Bassists:

Trewavas, Sheehan, Levin, Lee

Assuming we're not just talking hard rock/metal.

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« Reply #121 on: February 24, 2023, 09:38:27 AM »
This is a lot harder than the keyboard list, but I think I have my four.

Dimebag Darrell
Synyster Gates
James Hetfield
John Petrucci (my personal favorite)

These are the guitarists of my four favorite metal bands (sorry Kirk and Zacky) and their riffs/solos have had more of an influence on me than any other musicians save for some of my favorite bassists and drummers.
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« Reply #122 on: February 24, 2023, 09:50:47 AM »
Bass
Squire
Lee
Entwistle
Myung

HM:  McCartney and Butler


Drums
Bonham
Peart
Collins
Portnoy

HM:  Moon, Rockenfield, Zonder


Keyboards
Emerson
Wakeman
Banks
Rudess
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« Reply #123 on: February 24, 2023, 10:00:25 AM »
Bass
Squire
Lee
Entwistle
Myung



Drums
Bonham
Peart
Collins
Portnoy




Keyboards
Emerson
Wakeman
Banks
Rudess

Were totally in sync on the bass and keys, and 3/4 on drummers. If this was a rating profile I'd be swiping right so fucking hard...

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« Reply #124 on: February 24, 2023, 12:11:51 PM »
Bass
Squire
Lee
Entwistle
Myung



Drums
Bonham
Peart
Collins
Portnoy




Keyboards
Emerson
Wakeman
Banks
Rudess

Were totally in sync on the bass and keys, and 3/4 on drummers. If this was a rating profile I'd be swiping right so fucking hard...

We might have to fistfight; if you count Honorable Mentions, it looks like I'm a straight 12 out of 12!

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« Reply #125 on: February 24, 2023, 03:13:25 PM »
Fair point, but again, hard rock and metal was not as clearly defined back in the 70s and 80s as they are now (overly so, IMO, but that's a thread for a different day).

The tension though (aka "difficult choice") is the whole point. Metal/Hard Rock really is interchangeable to my ears...up until thrash metal. Then I think it really separates. But all of that, and this entire Rushmore thing is so incredibly subjective.

Yeah, in the 70s KISS, Alice Cooper, AC/DC, Ted Nugent, Aerosmith, all kinds of stuff was being called "metal", and occasionally will still get called that way by some people.  I think you start to get some separation on Black Sabbath's Master of Reality and Priest's Sin After Sin, but things don't really start taking off until the 80s.  But even then it's tricky because if you bring in thrash, then it's blending into a different direction, into hardcore punk rather than hard rock.

In the end these things are bound to evolution and of limits being stretched. See it like sunset, when the sun goes down you can call it "dark". But then the night approaches and is even "darker", so what was arguabily "not-day", is certainly not as dark as the pitch black night.

Also, what's a "tall" building? the Great Pyramid was the tallest building for millennia. Then some gothic churches were. Then some skyscrapers were. Are gothic churches no longer tall? no, they are, but we have skyscrapers now that are taller than anything else.

Same with hard rock / metal. It was an evolution, it's hard to determine the exact moment something became "metal" just like it's hard to determine the precise moment when the day is no longer day, but night (that's what twilight is for, the passage between the two times of the day).

The 'tall building' analogy really hit the hammer on the nail. 

Chuck Berry truly started it all.  In the 60s, 'ERIC CLAPTON IS GOD' was spray painted on many a brick wall.  George Harrison was innovative and would have made everyone's 'Mount' at the time.  Beck, .....Page...and, of course, Hendrix. 

70's:  I'm prejudiced, but Brian May made sounds that no one had done before, and many emulated and semi copied in the years since.  A shame that he wasn't allowed to shine more in the 80s.  Who else can do BoRhap, the thirty seconds of 'You Take My Breath Away', 'Tie Your Mother Down', and then various rockers and the lovely 'a Winter's Tale' as the maestro of the fireplace.  And who 'tapped' before EVH.

(we still bring out the photo with Brian on day one of our honeymoon in '02, and people may not know the name, but they recognize the face and the band :tup)

Iommi:  love him to death, and the friendship between him and May is undeniable. 

And, then there's JP, who's sometimes Queenish stylings attracted me to DT in the first place.

So...my five headed Rushmore would be Hendrix, Page, May, EVH, and Petrucci. 
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« Reply #126 on: February 24, 2023, 03:44:57 PM »
Bass
Squire
Lee
Entwistle
Myung



Drums
Bonham
Peart
Collins
Portnoy




Keyboards
Emerson
Wakeman
Banks
Rudess

Were totally in sync on the bass and keys, and 3/4 on drummers. If this was a rating profile I'd be swiping right so fucking hard...

We might have to fistfight; if you count Honorable Mentions, it looks like I'm a straight 12 out of 12!

"Straight" being the operative word!

But really, there's plenty of me to go around.   :biggrin:
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Re: Mt. Rushmore of Hard Rock/Metal Guitarists
« Reply #127 on: February 24, 2023, 04:29:08 PM »
My personal guitar Mt. Rushmore:

Jeff Loomis
John Petrucci
Mikael Akerfeldt
Per Nilsson

We should probably have separate threads for the others, but just in case:

Bass:

Sean Malone
Stanley Clarke
Steve DiGiorgio
Tony Levin

Drums:

Daniel Liljekvist
Danny Carey
Dave Weckl
Neil Peart
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« Reply #128 on: February 24, 2023, 04:54:56 PM »
Guitar:
Petrucci
Slash
Page
May

Bass:
Entwistle
Harris
Sheehan
Myung

Drums:
Portnoy
Palmer
Bonham
Peart

Vocals:
Mercury
Mercury
Mercury
Mercury ;)

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« Reply #129 on: February 24, 2023, 05:19:04 PM »
Bass

Cliff Burton (my personal favorite)
Geddy Lee
John Myung
Victor Wooten


Drums

Mike Mangini
Neil Peart
Mike Portnoy (my personal favorite)
Jimmy “The Rev” Sullivan


Vocals

Brad Delp
Billie Eilish
Lzzy Hale (my personal favorite)
James Hetfield
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« Reply #130 on: February 24, 2023, 05:38:02 PM »
Of course, as in the favorite vocalists countdown, the correct answer is Elvis.  :laugh:
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« Reply #131 on: February 25, 2023, 10:20:19 AM »
Guitar:
Guthrie Govan
John Petrucci
Alex Lifeson
Prince

Bass:
Geddy Lee
Jaco Pastorius
Pete Trewavas
John Entwisle

Drums:
Neil Peart
Mike Portnoy
Gavin Harrison
Nick D'Virgilio

Keyboards:
Rick Wakeman
Jordan Rudess
Kieth Emerson
Tony Banks

Nobody's mentioned Prince on the guitar.  Not as technical as some of the others but played with about as much feel as anyone.  Always loved his playing and still one of my favorite guitarists of all time!

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« Reply #132 on: February 25, 2023, 10:25:34 AM »
His Superbowl performance was probably the best halftime show I've seen. 

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« Reply #133 on: February 25, 2023, 10:41:23 AM »
I think it has to be Samsara's list, with maybe a bit of Stadler in there.   I wish I could add to it, but--and I'm not criticizing the OP at all--the criteria are so narrow that they necessarily restrict discussion to only a small number of players.  In light of that, not really sure what can be added, both in terms of names and discussion.

But to add to the case for Hetfield:  There isn't a single thing he was doing that might be described as "innovative."  But what he did in totality still fits the description of "innovative" in my mind.  He played heavy, he played fast, he used a lot of muting and percussive playing, he incorporated a lot of classical influenced and combined them with punk influences, and he played with very clean, precise technique.  In combining those elements, he was doing something innovative, in my mind, especially as it developed into a signature style that helped launch an entire new subgenre of metal (and, yes, I know Metallica didn't "invent" thrash by any stretch--but they brought it to popularity and created a recognizable brand).  That, to me, qualifies him, or at least puts him in the discussion.  He wouldn't be on my personal Mt. Rushmore, mind you.  But I think he arguably fits the criteria laid out in this thread.

Wow that's an awesome write-up on Het. I believe he is more responsible than anyone else in hard rock/metal for the millions of guys and girls getting into playing guitar since 1991 or, arguably, 1980-whatever. It's not just the playing, it's the coolness factor of him up there owning the stage and playing those great songs while singing at the same time. Just an iconic figure, extremely influential.

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« Reply #134 on: February 25, 2023, 12:59:51 PM »
I didn't do vocals, yet:

1. Freddie Mercury
2. Robert Plant
3. Steve Perry
4. Elvis

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« Reply #135 on: February 25, 2023, 04:35:47 PM »
I didn't do vocals, yet:

1. Freddie Mercury
2. Robert Plant
3. Steve Perry
4. Elvis

The King isn't #1?   :eek

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« Reply #136 on: February 26, 2023, 08:00:53 AM »
I didn't do vocals, yet:

1. Freddie Mercury
2. Robert Plant
3. Steve Perry
4. Elvis

The King isn't #1?   :eek

HAHA, I'm not sure they are in order.  :)