The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded

[Adami]

I hope there's an acoustic piece, even if it's just a section. The intro do Fight Fire, the intro to Battery, Unforgiven, the intro to To Live is to Die, Mama Said, James can do some really cool acoustic stuff but it seems Metallica is "MELLOW IS BAD FAST IS GOOD" recently, which I'm hoping they change up. Metaliica are amazing at melody.

[WebRaider]

I hope there's an acoustic piece, even if it's just a section. The intro do Fight Fire, the intro to Battery, Unforgiven, the intro to To Live is to Die, Mama Said, James can do some really cool acoustic stuff but it seems Metallica is "MELLOW IS BAD FAST IS GOOD" recently, which I'm hoping they change up. Metaliica are amazing at melody.

The problem is they USED to be able to meld melody with the fast and thrashy stuff and make it so awesome. The Black Album onward its been either or (or neither) mostly (IMO).

[Bolsters]

Pretty meh song really, I can see myself skipping this every single time if the rest of the album is better.

[Adami]

I hope there's an acoustic piece, even if it's just a section. The intro do Fight Fire, the intro to Battery, Unforgiven, the intro to To Live is to Die, Mama Said, James can do some really cool acoustic stuff but it seems Metallica is "MELLOW IS BAD FAST IS GOOD" recently, which I'm hoping they change up. Metallica are amazing at melody.

The problem is they USED to be able to meld melody with the fast and thrashy stuff and make it so awesome. The Black Album onward its been either or (or neither) mostly (IMO).

They don't even need to blend it with thrash. Have some thrashy stuff like whatever they just released, and also some really melodic stuff, as opposed to trying for a 95% thrash album with a small melodic section thrown in for no reason.

Black Album and Load had some incredible melodic songs.

[Progmetty]

I wonder if there's gonna be an instrumental on this one.

The radio guy asked Lars that on a facebook live chat earlier but Lars didn't wanna talk about details yet. I think if there was one her would have said yes.

I'm excited either way! New Metallica since 2010.

Since 2008 actually, 4 DT albums ago to put it in perspective

[WebRaider]

I hope there's an acoustic piece, even if it's just a section. The intro do Fight Fire, the intro to Battery, Unforgiven, the intro to To Live is to Die, Mama Said, James can do some really cool acoustic stuff but it seems Metallica is "MELLOW IS BAD FAST IS GOOD" recently, which I'm hoping they change up. Metallica are amazing at melody.

The problem is they USED to be able to meld melody with the fast and thrashy stuff and make it so awesome. The Black Album onward its been either or (or neither) mostly (IMO).

They don't even need to blend it with thrash. Have some thrashy stuff like whatever they just released, and also some really melodic stuff, as opposed to trying for a 95% thrash album with a small melodic section thrown in for no reason.

Black Album and Load had some credible melodic songs.

I understand that but personally I loved the earlier stuff where they DID mix the melodic with the thrashy within an individual song. Black Album onward it tended to be either/or/neither it seems. I don't mind the thrashy or the melodic stuff they've done but I love when they blended them both epically.

[WebRaider]

With regards to the new song... I kinda like it and hope for even better on the new album. The chorus is weak and should have been worked on some more, I don't mind the rest of the lyrics so much. The drums aren't quite right but the production is so much better that I can forgive it on this tune. The guitar solo is not much but I suppose on this sort of straight forward type song it doesn't have to be; but could have been better. I sorta like the album cover but I don't tend to get too bent out of shape over that for my music.

[Adami]

Oh I totally get that, and I also agree that they likely just lost the ability to blend the two.

Given that, I'd appreciate a more even mix, and not just 95% thrash with some meh melodic stuff thrown in for no real reason.

[BlobVanDam]

The song sounds like a reject from DM. Very bland and forgettable, generic melodies, terrible lyrics.

As for the good, the performances are sounding solid, Het's vocals are as good as DM, the production is overall very good (although the vocals are too high and dry again), and the drum sound is improved. Kirk's solo isn't good, but it doesn't outstay its welcome.

[TioJorge]

That's gotta be the worst kick drum sound I've heard in the last few years. Sounds like a really shitty trigger.

This so much.

Now, that said...it's still miles better than DM and SA. I only got a headache halfway through the song instead of twenty seconds in. But even so...that was by far the worst part of the song for me, and it was constant throughout its entirety.

I was wondering if it was just me but most people seem to like the drums (or at least don't mind them). I thought, other than the lyrics, that was the worst part.

I'm also apparently in the minority in that I love the album cover. But I suppose that won't help if I don't like the music. 

[BlobVanDam]

I hadn't actually seen the cover yet. That's um....... yeah......

[adace]

I like the cover  better than Death Magnetic's but that's not saying much.

[Progmetty]

I'm also apparently in the minority in that I love the album cover. But I suppose that won't help if I don't like the music. 

I like the album cover, been looking at it a bit now trying to fully understand what's going on there, kinda trippy. Lars is the only face that doesn't intensely overlap with any other face. You can see at least 3 James faces and I'm not 100% sure if Rob is the guy on the left and Kirk on the right or vice-versa.

[Zydar]

Pretty cool song actually, don't mind the album cover too.

[Polarbear]

Pretty meh song really, I can see myself skipping this every single time if the rest of the album is better.

My thoughts exactly.

But this is a double album and something like 12(?) songs, so i'm sure there will be something i like.

But honestly, i think this thing is never going to live up to the hype.

[IDontNotDoThings]

Has the possibility of a double album been denied? If not, I may consider that, especially to make up for the wait & all. How good that would be would be up for debate though.

Another thing too, with all the hype this album has been getting, plus how Metallica is pretty much a household name at this point, would anyone else think it'd be a possible November/December release?

 

[Kotowboy]

It's not really a double album. It's just packaged that way...

The run time is just under 80 minutes.

It's possible it was just a hair over a single CD and they didn't want any issues.

I like the idea of two discs anyway.

[BlobVanDam]

I don't see the point of making it a double album, but luckily it's not a proper double album.

[Kotowboy]

I don't see the point of making it a double album, but thank god it's not a "legit" double album.

Yeah it was probably ever so slightly too long and they didn't want to trim anything.

I know it's been 8 years and god knows if we'll even get another album but I don't want another 160 minute Load/Reload type deal.

[Zydar]

I don't see the point of making it a double album, but thank god it's not a "legit" double album.

Yeah it was probably ever so slightly too long and they didn't want to trim anything.

I know it's been 8 years and god knows if we'll even get another album but I don't want another 160 minute Load/Reload type deal.

Hardwired/ReHardwired

[Kotowboy]

I don't see the point of making it a double album, but thank god it's not a "legit" double album.

Yeah it was probably ever so slightly too long and they didn't want to trim anything.

I know it's been 8 years and god knows if we'll even get another album but I don't want another 160 minute Load/Reload type deal.

Hardwired/ReHardwired

HardwiREd

[Progmetty]

Has the possibility of a double album been denied? If not, I may consider that, especially to make up for the wait & all. How good that would be would be up for debate though.

Another thing too, with all the hype this album has been getting, plus how Metallica is pretty much a household name at this point, would anyone else think it'd be a possible November/December release?

 

[MirrorMask]

I don't see the point of making it a double album, but thank god it's not a "legit" double album.

Yeah it was probably ever so slightly too long and they didn't want to trim anything.

They didn't "compromise" like they did with Load, when they cut one minute or so from The Outlaw Torn. Imagine Load a double album with 7 songs each disc 

[BlobVanDam]

I would have been ok with that. Throw away disc 2, and you'd actually have a solid disc of music left!

[IDontNotDoThings]

What I'm confused about is that if it was going to be a double album anyway, why not just include Lords of Summer?


(or maybe they did under a different name idk)

[Bolsters]

It's on the third disc.

[BlobVanDam]

I just realized that even if the album is only around 80 minutes of music for the 12 songs, that's an average song length of close to 7 minutes, and probably longer songs than that given they've already revealed a 3 minute song.
Now I'm concerned it's going to be full of the same bloat and unnecessary instrumental sections that bogged down DM.

[MirrorMask]

What I'm confused about is that if it was going to be a double album anyway, why not just include Lords of Summer?

Indeed! I guess the rationale was that it was an year old song (or even two years old?) and they wanted all full, unedit material... but yeah, if you're gonna do a double album because of 2-3 minutes too much, just fill the discs since you're at it.

[Prog Snob]

I think the drums sound the best that Lars has had them sound this century, still needs improvement though.

I'm starting to think that my expectations ahve been lowered SO much by Death Magnetic and St. Anger (didn't like either) that I like this song simply for being better than them, but I have no real way of saying what I liked, other than the production improvement and mostly the fact that each member feels on top of their instrument and it doesn't sound like it's all going to fall apart like it did (to me) on DM.

Yea..........hoping the song writing is better on the other songs.


Also, since I didn't see anyone else bring this up, I really hope this short song is not a radio edit of an otherwise 6-8 minute song.

This is the full edit of the song.  It's this long on iTunes plus it's been confirmed by Metallica Staff on their Official Forum.

You post on other forums?  Blasphemer!

[devieira73]

It's on the third disc.

Third disc of deluxe edition:
Lords Of Summer
Riff Charge (Riff Origins)
N.W.O.B.H.M. A.T.M. (Riff Origins)
Tin Shot (Riff Origins)
Plow (Riff Origins)
Sawblade (Riff Origins)
RIP (Riff Origins)
Lima (Riff Origins)
91 (Riff Origins)
MTO (Riff Origins)
RL72 (Riff Origins)
Frankenstein (Riff Origins)
CHI (Riff Origins)
X Dust (Riff Origins)

Anybody here knows if these "riff origins" songs are instrumentals with full band or just demo guitar riffs? Thanks!

[cramx3]

I don't see the point of making it a double album, but luckily it's not a proper double album.

Probably want the sales numbers for selling a double album.  If it's under 80 minutes, there's no reason to make it a double album.

[BlobVanDam]

I don't see the point of making it a double album, but luckily it's not a proper double album.

Probably want the sales numbers for selling a double album.  If it's under 80 minutes, there's no reason to make it a double album.

I believe the cutoff is 100 minutes for it affecting sales numbers.
They're releasing it on their own label, so they can probably do what they want. A regular label likely would have made them trim the extra minute or whatever, or cut a track and made it a digital only bonus track.

[cramx3]

I don't see the point of making it a double album, but luckily it's not a proper double album.

Probably want the sales numbers for selling a double album.  If it's under 80 minutes, there's no reason to make it a double album.

I believe the cutoff is 100 minutes for it affecting sales numbers.
They're releasing it on their own label, so they can probably do what they want. A regular label likely would have made them trim the extra minute or whatever, or cut a track and made it a digital only bonus track.

Oh, didnt know that.  Cool.  Whatever, I download albums these days so disc1/2 doesn't mean much anymore, I just don't understand the wastefulness.

[mikeyd23]

I understand that but personally I loved the earlier stuff where they DID mix the melodic with the thrashy within an individual song. Black Album onward it tended to be either/or/neither it seems. I don't mind the thrashy or the melodic stuff they've done but I love when they blended them both epically.

Yes. Really this is what made RTL and MOP so great, the idea that a band could be brutally heavy and thrashy but still incorporate a great sense of melody, groove, taste, and tack.

[kaos2900]

Somewhere in the last 15-20 years Metallica lost their soul. Probably right around the time Jason left or one could argue when Cliff died. They seem to be making music and all of their decisions for the wrong reasons. I get that every band is a business but most bands put the music first. Metallica turned into a business and are putting the business in front of the music. I've lost a lot of interest in thrash over the years but when you compare Metallica to Testament, Megadeath, Anthrax, Slayer, etc. it's clear those bands are passionate about music. I can't say that for Metallica. Metallica is making new music to support the business. I'm like a lot of others that cut our musical teeth on Metallica and they'll always have a place in musical rotation but the obsession died several years ago and will never come back. I found myself just being irritated by them now. Watching the video I just kept thinking that it seemed like a parody of Metallica. Shame.