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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: MajorMatt on September 10, 2010, 02:54:14 PM
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https://twitter.com/MikePortnoyDT/status/24136160480
Matt
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This should be quite interesting, to say the least.
Mike has quite an opportunity here. This could easily set the tone on his side regarding the departure.
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It's only a matter of time.
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How can we watch/listen to this show?
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How can we watch/listen to this show?
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https://www.eddietrunk.com/index.cfm/pk/view/cd/NAA/cdid/423445/pid/401816
-Marc.
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oh goodness...here we go :omg:
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Wow, this is gonna be interesting.
rumborak
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Yeah, MP kinda controls the future tone of the discussion with this, very pivotal.
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https://www.eddietrunk.com/index.cfm/pk/view/cd/NAA/cdid/423445/pid/401816
-Marc.
Argh, USA only? Noooooo!
Is there any way for Canadians to listen? If not, I'm counting on you guys to fill me in.
There's even a rock radio station here in Halifax at 104.3fm, mocking me with its lack of Portnoy interview.
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looking forward to this
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inb4 Mike tells everyone to eat his ass and balls
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*prays that this doesn't go down ugly*
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I'll be at a party... :\
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I'm going to miss my 12 year old cousin's party for this. THIS BETTER REPLACE THE INFINITE AMOUNT OF FREE CAKE AND ICE CREAM.
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I'm going to miss my 12 year old cousin's party for this. THIS BETTER REPLACE THE INFINITE AMOUNT OF FREE CAKE AND ICE CREAM.
Dude no... it's cake and ice cream. Come on...
-Marc.
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Interesting decision to schedule this one day after leaving the band.
Maybe he wants to preempt further speculations as to his motives. Or maybe he wants to dish out some!
It stays interesting.
rumborak
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Does someone want to record this so I can listen to it tomorrow morning?
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Dude no... it's cake and ice cream. Come on...
-Marc.
[/quote]It's fine. I'll just go to Mike's kid's party and steal his cake.
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Does someone want to record this so I can listen to it tomorrow morning?
I can't. Damn Windows 7 Stereo Mix thingy.
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If nobody else volunteers, I could probably record it.
rumborak
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When is it on british time? 7 hours later? can we hear it over here?
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Btw, i suggest somebody else also tries to record this. Get some redundancy into the system.
rumborak
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When is it on british time? 7 hours later? can we hear it over here?
I think its on at 5.30AM, and no technically we can't. However, i think there are ways, but I better not mention them here, not sure if it would be against the rules.
Matt
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EST to GMT is +5.
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EST to GMT is +5.
True, but we are in BST at the moment so thats an extra hour making it 5.30am :smiley:
Matt
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EST to GMT is +5.
True, but we are in BST at the moment so thats an extra hour making it 5.30am :smiley:
Matt
It starts at the top of the hour in four hours from now.
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Baylight Savings Time?
rumborak
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Baylight Savings Time?
rumborak
British Summer Time.
Don't Ask.
Matt
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Btw, i suggest somebody else also tries to record this. Get some redundancy into the system.
rumborak
Looks like everyone's relying on you ::)
Noone at the MP/JP forums has offered to record it :-\
Matt
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I'll be at a party... :\
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Well, I'm off to go get drunk with some of my fellow film students. I expect full details when I return.
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go to a party, or this?
im not kidding when i say i cant decide
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Over/Under if he CROSSES THE CROOKED STEP?
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Please record it. I'll be out tonight with my girl. Yet I really want to know what he'll say!
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I'm looking into using Audacity to record the show. I'll let you guys know if I am going to record the show or not.
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Please do. I'd appreciate it.
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In how many hours is it? Asking that is easier for me then trying to find out the time difference :p.
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On behalf of anyone not Americans, I kindly ask one of you to record this.
Thanking you in advance.
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Shit, gonna have to give this a listen. Always a pleasure to hear Trunks show. Lovable guy and isn't afraid to ask some good questions.
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In how many hours is it? Asking that is easier for me then trying to find out the time difference :p.
2.5 hours from the time of this reply.
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In how many hours is it? Asking that is easier for me then trying to find out the time difference :p.
2.5 hours from the time of this reply.
Thanks. That makes it 05:00 over here.
You guys better take notes, it's at the worst time possible for all the people that live across the pond :p.
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Yeah, 5:00am on Saturday morning is evil. One way or the other, your brain is not functioning :D
I just tested my setup, and it's working good. God damn, I hate the Rolling Stones.
rumborak
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Indeed. Too early to wake up for and too late to stay-up. I'll just read whatever is posted here in the morning. Although morning usually doesn't exist on Saturday.
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Well I suppose I'll be recording as well. I have a very...ghetto setup since all other options seem to be either giving me a hard time or just down right refusing to be apart of the process. It should still come out as decent quality, but at least Rumby shall be getting a recording as well.
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Maybe he wants to preempt further speculations as to his motives. Or maybe he wants to dish out some!
Exactly, to me it sounds like it'll definitely be one or the other. I really REALLY hope it's the former.
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please record this someone. please and thank you
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:omg:
i will be.... at a skating rink.... yea dont ask
ok its for my girlfriend...
(i cant get out of this one)
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:omg:
i will be.... at a skating rink.... yea dont ask
ok its for my girlfriend...
(i cant get out of this one)
Why size 13 font? Why?
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:omg:
i will be.... at a skating rink.... yea dont ask
ok its for my girlfriend...
(i cant get out of this one)
Why size 13 font? Why?
That is a good question
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Yay! Octavarium
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14 minutes till showtime. :tup:
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6!
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4 and counting. All systems are go. We have assumed control. etc.
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Huh? The Twitter says 11:30 PST.
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Huh? The Twitter says 11:30 PST.
This.
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Huh? The Twitter says 11:30 PST.
This.
Ah it does, Trunk's show starts at 11 though.
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Huh? The Twitter says 11:30 PST.
This.
https://www.eddietrunk.com/index.cfm/pk/view/cd/NAA/cdid/423445/pid/401816
Eddie's website says EST.
I think I trust his website since... ya know, it's his.
-Marc.
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Huh? The Twitter says 11:30 PST.
I think that's the time MP comes on. But Eddie Trunks website says 11pm.
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Huh? The Twitter says 11:30 PST.
This.
https://www.eddietrunk.com/index.cfm/pk/view/cd/NAA/cdid/423445/pid/401816
Eddie's website says EST.
I think I trust his website since... ya know, it's his.
-Marc.
:facepalm: I meant EST.
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YEAH SIGZ YOU SUCK FOR GETTING IT WRONG YOU FUCK!
:heart
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Oh. That would be pretty important. Well either way, I'm sure Eddie will have somethings to say before Mike comes on.
-Marc.
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Quiet everyone it's on.
I SAID SHUT UP!
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He's already talking about this.
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True.
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He's just as shocked as the rest of it...
-Marc.
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It's started. :omg:
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Okay... 30 or less minute...
-Marc.
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Ah, 30 mins from now. Gnah, I could have gone for a run after all!!!
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Man, it really is weird hearing MP referred to as the 'former drummer' of DT.
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anyone in his chatroom?
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So the show started, but portnoy isn't on for 30 or so min?
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Man, it really is weird hearing MP referred to as the 'former drummer' of DT.
It really is.
THE FRAYED ENDS OF SANITEH!
:metal :metal :metal
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Is it possible to watch if you are not in the U.S? I really want to watch it! Anyone has a link?
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I cant wait 30 more m i n u t e s
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Is it possible to watch if you are not in the U.S? I really want to watch it! Anyone has a link?
It's radio.
https://www.q1043.com/main.html
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So the show started, but portnoy isn't on for 30 or so min?
correct.
@ Rafael -- it's just a radio broadcast, and only US can listen but some people here are going to record it to share it after it's all done.
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Ok, I think I'm listening.
They're playing Metallica.
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:P
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So the show started, but portnoy isn't on for 30 or so min?
correct.
@ Rafael -- it's just a radio broadcast, and only US can listen but some people here are going to record it to share it after it's all done.
I'm one of those people. As long as the recording comes out clear, I'll share.
If you say please
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Wait, Jen. There's a chat room?
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So the show started, but portnoy isn't on for 30 or so min?
correct.
@ Rafael -- it's just a radio broadcast, and only US can listen but some people here are going to record it to share it after it's all done.
Oh Ok...Thanks. Well, can't wait. For those watching, enjoy!
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I got off work at just the right time. Should be interesting . . .
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Man, it really is weird hearing MP referred to as the 'former drummer' of DT.
No shit huh. I hate it!
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Wait, Jen. There's a chat room?
on eddie trunk's site - he said it was going to be a busy night in there tonight. I found the link on his site and clicked it and found that you have to be a member so I didn't go any further. It was under the "community" drop down menu.
edit - https://www.eddietrunk.com/index.cfm/pk/content/pid/400534
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HOLY DIVERR1!!!!!!!!
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Wait, Jen. There's a chat room?
on eddie trunk's site - he said it was going to be a busy night in there tonight. I found the link on his site and clicked it and found that you have to be a member so I didn't go any further. It was under the "community" drop down menu.
edit - https://www.eddietrunk.com/index.cfm/pk/content/pid/400534
Eh, fuck it then.
HOLY DIVERR1!!!!!!!!
:metal :metal :metal :metal
OH SHIT IS THAT COMING HOME?! IT IS!
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Yikes. Iron Spinster.
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Who the hell am I listening to? And why is it so....meh?
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Who the hell am I listening to? And why is it so....meh?
Yikes. Iron Spinster.
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Who the hell am I listening to? And why is it so....meh?
I will crucify you like that one fellar from the old books.
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Dio then Maiden. Not bad :metal
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Good songs so far! Probably time for one more after this before....
-Marc.
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play some DT plz
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Sorry, not digging this song. I guess I'm not a real music fan if I don't worship every maiden song.
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play some DT plz
Yea, I can see that being a bit odd.
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Damnit, get to the interview already.
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Holy cow. How much tackier and mediocre can the song become.
rumborak
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Play the Spirit Carries On. Bring all the listeners to tears. :metal
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Play the Spirit Carries On. Bring all the listeners to tears. :metal
Sorry dude, he's probably (and hopefully) not going to play any DT.
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That Metal Show! will be one hour long and the first episode is a tribute to Dio. Sweeet.
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Play the Spirit Carries On. Bring all the listeners to tears. :metal
Sorry dude, he's probably (and hopefully) not going to play any DT.
I know, I'm not serious. Just excited and awkward.
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BCC! Looking forward to that album and hearing some good hard rock from those guys...
-Marc.
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I'm tuned in.
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AFTER THE BREAK!!!!!
-Marc.
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AFTER THE BREAK!!!!!
-Marc.
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AFTER THE BREAK!!!!!
-Marc.
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MP, please give us some good stuff!
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Listening now. God, I'm kind of tense.
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Gnah, this tune is not tuned at 440Hz!!
(I'm soloing over the radio tunes to kill the time)
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Anyone know what song this is?
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Gnah, this tune is not tuned at 440Hz!!
(I'm soloing over the radio tunes to kill the time)
:rollin NICE...
-Marc.
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waiting.. waiting.. waiting..
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Anyone know what song this is?
Steely Dan..do it again
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Anyone know what song this is?
Shazam says "Do It Again" by Steely Dan.
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Man, I joined the radio broadcast at the perfect time.
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It's 11:30, come on Trunk..
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AFKJSDHFLK ninja'd twice even though they both said the same thing
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Tuned in and hugging my bass.
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Anyone know what song this is?
I think I heard it in an elevator once.
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11:31
Tik Tok...
EDIT - epic nugget - my post time is 113113... cool.
-Marc.
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Anyone know what song this is?
Shazam says "Do It Again" by Steely Dan.
That's a fucking great song.
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OH MY GOD WHAT THE FUCK WHERE IS PORTNOY *leads charge on the studio*
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Anyone know what song this is?
I think I heard it in an elevator once.
:rollin
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This is quite the party. ;D
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Anyone know what song this is?
I think I heard it in an elevator once.
Me, too. Weird...
DAMMIT, NINJA'D TWICE!
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ITS TIME
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Jammin with MorphWiz while I wait. Fuck Yeah.
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How have people not heard Steely Dan?
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interview time!
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HE'S BACK!
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Anyone know what song this is?
Shazam says "Do It Again" by Steely Dan.
you sir are Correct!!... SHAZAM
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The news even shocked MP!
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"i've never been scared to do an interview before but i'm like really nervous about this.. i gotta pick and choose my words extremely carefully because i gotta make sure nothing is misinterpreted.."
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How have people not heard Steely Dan?
I find this bizarre also.
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Prog music fans listening to internet radio and chatting at 830p-1130p on a Friday night :metal
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Mike is right, if he's not careful you can be sure whatever he says is going to be blown way out of proportion.
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enough about steely dan, interview time
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what happened?
"welll um... i was put in a position where i kinda had to quit in order to move forward.. i mean, i dunno.. i love dt, i love the guys, it's been my baby for 25 years but i just needed a break from dt... not from touring and doing projects, but i just felt like *dt* needed a break..."
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Write/Record/Tour pattern needed to be broken
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If you need a break to re-ignite the flame, the flame ain't gonna be re-ignited.
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"i felt like we needed a break from each other in order to reignite the flame"... he wanted "a couple years hiatus" but they didn't agree...
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"couple of years hiatus"?..
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Couple of years hiatus?! Whoa, that's a lot.
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A hiatus for a couple of years? Woah.
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"they didn't wanna budge - they wanted to start the album in Jan. with or without me"
"I felt if i did it in Jan. my heart wouldn't be in it"
"had to either do the album in Jan. against my will, or say goodbye"
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what happened?
"welll um... i was put in a position where i kinda had to quit in order to move forward.. i mean, i dunno.. i love dt, i love the guys, it's been my baby for 25 years but i just needed a break from dt... not from touring and doing projects, but i just felt like *dt* needed a break..."
Didn't he say on his board that they would be in the studio by January '11? Like, happily announce it? Might be misremembering. But I thought that was the plan already, and I'm sure I read it there.
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Couple of years hiatus?! Whoa, that's a lot.
You sir are Correct again!!! SHAZAM!
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Yeah, what the hell. A couple of years? I don't blame anyone for telling him to forget about it :P
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So far, very diplomatic, no flames.
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"i didn't wanna quit and they didn't want me to leave but here we are - it was the only way that i could move on and that they could move on"
"it was the weirdest kind of breakup because we still love each other!"
"we just strongly disagree"
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Can't blame the other four wanting to move forward.
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And now he's citing bands that have had decade long splits as comparison. He's nuts.
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How is he nuts? He seems completely level-headed to me.
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And now he's citing bands that have had decade long splits as comparison. He's nuts.
AIC? that one Im not getting...
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Wither vid acknowledgement
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And now he's citing bands that have had decade long splits as comparison. He's nuts.
The only flaw I can see is that those bands (RATM, Phish) were so successful that the members could afford to take a break financially, if that's how the rest of DT is feeling at this point.
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I definitely don't think it's reasonable to expect a two year hiatus when the other members want to keep going, and especially not at such a pivotal moment in the band's career.
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I saw DT play twice this summer, and Mike couldn't have seemed happier playing those shows. I admire him for putting forth the energy and happiness he did in those shows if he felt as he is saying he felt.
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Well, I'm not saying he's insane, but to say "a couple years" and then cite bands that have had indefinite hiatuses doesn't really sound all that hopeful.
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How is he nuts? He seems completely level-headed to me.
This. He's making complete sense.
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how much do you think the other projects you do - how much do you think that had to do with all this going down, if any?
"well it absolutely had nothing to do with my initial motives - i was already discussing this with the guys last fall, and last fall the Rev was still alive and well.."
.." really the feeling has *nothing* to do with avenged sevenfold..."
"all 3 of those projects, not just avenged - all 3 of them showed me how i was feeling happy and refreshed with these other bands and"... something about dt being "a bit strained" ... "we love each others, we're family, but sometimes you start to grow apart - you need some space"...
"i just *really* don't want people to think i left dt for a7x, i'm *not* a member of a7x"
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Semi-transcription:
Well, uhm, i dunno how to sum it up but i guess i was put into a position where i kinda have to quit in order to move forward. I love dream theater and the guys, been my baby for 25 years. I just needed a break from DT. I didnt need a break from touring/playing/projects, but DT needed a break. Endless cycle for over 12-15 years solid without any real breaks. I was feeling like it was a pattern that needed to be broken. I didn't feel this over night. It dates bak to last year. I was feeling it in Europe last fall, and suggested to the guys why don't we not tour as much in 2010. I felt the need to shake up the cycle and break the pattern. It was becoming a little stale to me. I'd go off to refreshing projects, but come back to DT and felt like I needed a break to reignite the flame. Dating back to last fall I felt it, then with TA this spring I talked about it with ppl. Then with IM it was coming to a head. I suggested to the guys we take a break, a couple years hiatus to recharge our batteries and be reinspired. Those guys didnt agree with me and wanted to keep going and start a new album in January. We just disagreed and after a week we came back to talk about it earlier this week and didn't want to budge and wanted to start with or without me. I felt my heart wouldn't be in it if I went in the studio in January. I felt i should be getting a breather. Either I had to do the album in Jan. against my will or say goodbye. It's weird that it came to this because none of us wanted it.
I didn't wanna quit and they didn't want me to leave. It's a weird kind of break up because we still love each other. They miss me and I'm all broken up, but we just strongly disagree.
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typed VERY hurriedly...
-Marc.
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LURKING
LURKING CAREFULLY AND METICULOUSLY
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I'm a drummer without a band and they're a band without a drummer. So we're gonna ride this thing out...
Yeah. That sounds like a pretty big hint.
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Sounds like a legit reason to me. If he wants to take a creative break from DT, then I think thats a great idea and hope the break allows him to come back at a later point and continue making quality music.
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"i mean i almost felt like i had to sacrifice myself from the situation so i wouldn't be holding them back, and so i wouldn't be doing something against my will"
"they've made it blatantly clear that the door is always open to me.. i *would* go back to them in a heartbeat, but just not right now."
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"The guys made it clear the door is always open..."
I wonder if it will be open in 2+ years...
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I know it's way too early but, I think he'll be back in a few years.
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"i mean i almost felt like i had to sacrifice myself from the situation so i wouldn't be holding them back, and so i wouldn't be doing something against my will"
"they've made it blatantly clear that the door is always open to me.. i *would* go back to them in a heartbeat, but just not right now."
:metal
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He almost makes the other four guys sound like the bad guys. He just wanted a year off and they wouldn't go for it.
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Yeah, him saying they made it abundantly clear he's always welcome back is nice. Hope it's true...though still looking forward to the next record.
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He almost makes the other four guys sound like the bad guys. He just wanted a year off and they wouldn't go for it.
Yeah, he's a bit biased there.
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He is coming back at some point...that mystery is now solved..
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Now he's saying that there are lots of drummers out there that could play his stuff but not cover his other responsibilities. He's acknowledged JP's QnAs.
-Marc.
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DO NOT FORGET THIS POST
Eddie is not asking the BIG question to Portnoy, which is:
"Mike, Dream Theater pays for the other guys' mortgages and lives, so how is it fair to those guys to have this hiatus you want, when they depend on DT for their livelihood? Particularly the guys that don't write the songs and depend on touring for their income?"
THAT IS THE QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ASKED.
Portnoy needs to address that.
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I'm wondering whether the guys were somewhat looking forward to stepping up to the plate.
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LOL @ Aerosmith. How is that a valid comparison?
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He almost makes the other four guys sound like the bad guys. He just wanted a year off and they wouldn't go for it.
In this case, if it truly was his opinion against theirs, that is a fact :) I am listening to the show right now, and not once have I felt that Mike has come across nasty towards the other guys.
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Mike will be back!!!!
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Sure, they can find a better drummer, but they'll never replace me cause I do so much more.
Meh.
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He almost makes the other four guys sound like the bad guys. He just wanted a year off and they wouldn't go for it.
not at all, just a strong difference of opinion.
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Trunk incorrect on Tyler.. Tyler was not looking to do an outside project? WTF? he needed time to heal and get clean.
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He doesn't wish DT to be unsuccessful without him. :tup
-Marc.
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:rollin Trunk totally put him on the spot.
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lol
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Wonder if he'll talk about the Jordan videos.
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Hah! I called the Roger Waters comparison!!!
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This is riveting. He is admitting he wants to come back.
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DO NOT FORGET THIS POST
Eddie is not asking the BIG question to Portnoy, which is:
"Mike, Dream Theater pays for the other guys' mortgages and lives, so how is it fair to those guys to have this hiatus you want, when they depend on DT for their livelihood? Particularly the guys that don't write the songs and depend on touring for their income?"
THAT IS THE QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ASKED.
Portnoy needs to address that.
What's the point in addressing it when he doesn't harbor any grudge against them for going on to begin with?
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lol Internet.
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He's at peace with this, despite being sad and depressed.
-Marc.
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"the thing that scares the crap out of me though is i see a similarity maybe with roger waters and pink floyd... that scares the crap out of me" if he were to never be back on the stage with DT again.
"i've been finding the past few days that when i get on the internet it drives me crazy"...
"i need to love what i'm doing and i've never done a project with them or any other project that i didn't believe in"
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He sounds like he really believes he will be a part of the band again at some point.
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This is riveting. He is admitting he wants to come back.
agreed... its very odd.. its like he is already planning to be back at some point..?
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He sounds like he really believes he will be a part of the band again at some point.
Certainly hope so. :tup
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So if things go as he seems to want it appears there will be another Derek Sherinian type musician in the band meaning play 1 album then get replaced.
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I actually feel bad for Mike.
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Why can't he just give up some of his controlling issues in DT for a record? Why not let the others write the record and he just plays and tours and just "plays" as he's saying he wants?
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"its been tough to talk about and i hope nothing has been misinterpreted because i know this is a very tough subject and a very confusing subject for our fans"
trunk says he would welcome any other dt members to come on in the upcoming weeks if they want to, to tell their part of the story..
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His return will certainly be a great thing, but the members need to make that clear to the new drummer before he joins that at any time he might get the boot. Or they could get a new drummer and keep MP out forever, starting a dramatic fued that will result in epic musical battles with DT and MP's new solo project.
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That was a boring interview.
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to me it sounds like he will be joining AX7... they will do a deal and an album w Mike.. then back to DT, the way he shaped that it sure sounded like they both just "need each other"..
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when trunk says he just feels certain that they'll all get together again at some point, mike says, "i hope so and they hope so, so that's the most bizarre thing about this.. i guess we just needed a break and, uh you know, this will be it."
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He says the rest of the band hopes he'll be back some day as much as he hopes.
Eddie might play some DT. Might.
-Marc.
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I am now convinced this departure will last one album, and one tour.
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to me it sounds like he will be joining AX7... they will do a deal and an album w Mike.. then back to DT
He specifically said he's not joining a7x but that he'll finish out the tour with them and then decide what to do next when the time comes that he has to figure that out.
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After that interview i have a pretty strong feeling that MP will rejoin DT.
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What DT will he play? Guesses?
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His return will certainly be a great thing, but the members need to make that clear to the new drummer before he joins that at any time he might get the boot. Or they could get a new drummer and keep MP out forever, starting a dramatic fued that will result in epic musical battles with DT and MP's new solo project.
I agree with this. I don't think it'd be fair to get a co-collaborator and then kick him out.
Although, John isn't thinking "temporary" or "interim," according to his posts. So I'd say the latter's more likely, although you've phrased it a bit more dramatically.
Chances are, it'll lie somewhere in between.
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Well that certainly gave me some new hopes.
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to me it sounds like he will be joining AX7... they will do a deal and an album w Mike.. then back to DT
He specifically said he's not joining a7x but that he'll finish out the tour with them and then decide what to do next when the time comes that he has to figure that out.
he said "at this time" he is not a member...it sounded like this is being discussed reading between the lines..since he wanted that 2 year window to sign a deal..
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I am now convinced this departure will last one album, and one tour.
I'm not convinced but I think the chances are good that this is what will happen.
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my gut reaction - nobody wanted this but everyone made what felt like the adult decision at the time, and when it all comes together in the future - my guess would be 3 to 5 years from now, tops - they'll be back together, and they'll all be fresher and better and will put out their first number one debuting album upon reuniting. :metal:
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Who knows what attitudes will change in the next year or two. I do hope that who ever takes the "throne" does it with an open mind of Big peddles to fill for a short while.
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About to upload the interview for anyone who couldn't listen.
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I'm looking forward to the new DT album and following world tour without MP. I can't wait to see what is written on that record.
On the other hand, I can't wait for MP to return.
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What he has done for sure is given this forum a ridiculous amount of stuff to speculate on, discuss, and over-analyze in the next few years.
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to me it sounds like he will be joining AX7... they will do a deal and an album w Mike.. then back to DT
He specifically said he's not joining a7x but that he'll finish out the tour with them and then decide what to do next when the time comes that he has to figure that out.
he said "at this time" he is not a member...it sounded like this being discussed reading between the lines..
Could it be that he doesn't even know what he's doing yet? There's no need to jump to conclusions.
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His return will certainly be a great thing, but the members need to make that clear to the new drummer before he joins that at any time he might get the boot. Or they could get a new drummer and keep MP out forever, starting a dramatic fued that will result in epic musical battles with DT and MP's new solo project.
I agree with this. I don't think it'd be fair to get a co-collaborator and then kick him out.
Although, John isn't thinking "temporary" or "interim," according to his posts. So I'd say the latter's more likely, although you've phrased it a bit more dramatically.
Chances are, it'll lie somewhere in between.
The fans will get what they want. If they want Mike and Mike wants in, Mike will be back. Its hard to think otherwise.
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They're playing Sacrificed Sons :omg:
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"Sacrificed Sons"!!!!
-Marc.
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If the next album turns out to be a hit, though, and the new drummer is embraced by the fans, will the fans want him back?
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Wow! Sacrificed Sons! :omg:
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Great choice.
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ALL AT ONCE.... :omg:
:lol
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I have to say, the indefinite hiatus thing, I can totally understand how the guys rejected that. Who knows when MP would feel interested again? There's a thing called momentum, and waiting too long can kill momentum.
rumborak
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This probably isn't fair so I won't start a new thread, but would you rather have had them take a year or two off and keep MP or go the route they've taken?
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First!!!
https://www.yousendit.com/download/UFVyK0dsT01Fd2Z2Wmc9PQ
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Sacrificed Sons, eh? Wish I was able to catch that interview.
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If the next album turns out to be a hit, though, and the new drummer is embraced by the fans, will the fans want him back?
I honestly don't know how I could not be willing to take MP back.
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"And now we have a song request made by a.....JP....for Mike, so here it is....Raise The Knife".
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First!!!
https://www.yousendit.com/download/UFVyK0dsT01Fd2Z2Wmc9PQ
Well you beat me too it, but only by a minute or two.
Just in case though:
https://www.filedropper.com/mikeportnoyinterview
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to me if hes not full time in AX7, he will be back sooner..I cant see Mike just meandering around..
AX7 KNOWS they need him ..and Im sure Mike is now grooving in the band and enjoying it... AX7 asked for that window of time to do an album, tour.. etc..
obviously Mike is not enjoying DT as much as AX7, he hinted the newness was a really exciting to him.
Have a nice night everyone!
NEVER FORGET 9/11..
God Bless AMERICA
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If the next album turns out to be a hit, though, and the new drummer is embraced by the fans, will the fans want him back?
I honestly don't know how I could not be willing to take MP back.
Yeah, I don't really care who the next drummer is or how good the next album may or may not be, if Mike wants back in then I want him back in.
"And now we have a song request made by a.....JP....for Mike, so here it is....Raise The Knife".
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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to me if hes not full time in AX7, he will be back sooner..I cant see Mike just meandering around..
AX7 KNOWS they need him ..and Im sure Mike is now grooving in the band and enjoying it... AX7 asked for that window of time to do an album, tour.. etc..
obviously Mike is not enjoying DT as much as AX7, he hinted the newness was a really exciting to him.
I think it would make people angrier if he joined AX7 full time though. It would be viewed as a waste of his talent. He can do side projects and tour . write with people temporarily for a while, but jumping from one established band to another is different.
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:metal + :'(
Sacrificed Sons drum solo.
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I don't know, while there might not be any resentment now, this whole "well, I will have gotten my break, and then I just return to DT" might not fly too well with the guys after some time.
I also had a bit the impression hat he overestimated his bargaining chip in this whole operation. It seemed he was expecting the guys to say "well, we could NEVER go on without you given all you do for us, so I guess we can't do anything but go on this break". You could hear the stunnedness in his voice explaining that the guys decided "well, then we have to part".
I would not be surprised if the guys didn't feel at least somewhat blackmailed, and at least somewhat out of that feeling said "no, actually we CAN go on without you". That would explain the excitement also one hears in the guys' explanations of DT's future.
rumborak
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He also made some odd connections. Comparing the situation to bands like Maiden, Priest and stuff. Those bands kind of failed when the singers left and were VERY happy to get them back to regain success. If the new DT is still succesful, will they really rush to take him back?
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I would not be surprised if the guys didn't feel at least somewhat blackmailed, and at least somewhat out of that feeling said "no, actually we CAN go on without you". That would explain the excitement also one hears in the guys' explanations of DT's future.
rumborak
Seriously. Now that do have something to prove.
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I don't know, while there might not be any resentment now, this whole "well, I will have gotten my break, and then I just return to DT" might not fly too well with the guys after some time.
I also had a bit the impression hat he overestimated his bargaining chip in this whole operation. It seemed he was expecting the guys to say "well, we could NEVER go on without you given all you do for us, so I guess we can't do anything but go on this break". You could hear the stunnedness in his voice explaining that the guys decided "well, then we have to part".
rumborak
I agree with this, a bit.
25 years does count for a hell of a lot, and they've built up a lot of brand loyalty to MP, of course they have. But at the same time, I don't like the idea that the band would rebuild their infrastructure and hire a new member and ingratiate him (or her!) into the band and get them to learn all their songs, new and old, just to drop him when MP decides he's found that spark again / misses the band / whatever. Like John says, they're not thinking temporary. They can't work under the assumption that MP will be coming back.
I don't find that very fair. Then again, happened with Derek, kinda. Plus I'm maybe looking forward to the change a bit much - clouding my judgment. Love changes, me.
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Am I the only one who sees Mike starting his own whole new band?
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I understand that since it is 9/11 (at least for us east coasters) why he chose this song...but ugh...not exactly the song I want representing DT (SS is my least favorite DT song).
As for the interview...Mike didn't resort to mudslinging, although I think its clear his ego is getting quite large. He constantly feels the need to remind everyone of all the things he did for the band besides playing, but I can't help but think that it was largely his choice, and there was another reference to himself in the third person.
I understand better where Mike is coming from. In my work as a chemist, new ideas tend to excite me and I do several things in chemistry that are different and unrelated to my original project, so I can understand how if I want to take a hiatus from a project I've worked on for 7 years, that after 25 years Mike would want to set DT aside for a while.
I also understand the rest of the band not wanting to be left to the whim of one member, and wanting to continue.
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He also made some odd connections. Comparing the situation to bands like Maiden, Priest and stuff. Those bands kind of failed when the singers left and were VERY happy to get them back to regain success. If the new DT is still succesful, will they really rush to take him back?
Yes, they will.
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Am I the only one who sees Mike starting his own whole new band?
Avenged Theater.
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I feel like he has a bit of an attitude; "they're REALLY gonna have to step up to the plate; they're gonna have to put in 500 percent to cover the ground [I was covering".
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Yeah that 500% comment wasn't necessary. I know what he meant but it was a bit much.
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I'm looking forward more to DT's next album, than to the possibility of Mike returning. I don't think it's going to work out for Mike very well in a few years, unless he finds a new band to work with and feel comfortable in, and settles in there, and forgets about returning to DT fulltime. Because as JP said, they aren't thinking temporarily with their next drummer, and they all seem to be pretty excited about making the next record. And if they do take Mike back, who's to say he doesn't suddenly leave again? Alright, he probably won't, but still, I think there'll be that tension there.
And Mike has always talked about himself like that...well, maybe not quite as much as now, considering the situation
What he has done for sure is given this forum a ridiculous amount of stuff to speculate on, discuss, and over-analyze in the next few years.
NUGGETZ
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Who knows, maybe the guys were also a bit tired of DT becoming more and more a "MP's Dream Theater".
rumborak
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I could be totally wrong, but I think Portnoy wanted to put DT on hiatus because he wanted to have his cake and eat it, too. I think he wanted to be, "Mike Portnoy - drummer of Dream Theater" AND be, "Mike Portnoy, drummer of Avenged Sevenfold/ whatever other band he wanted to be in." However, he's only one person and he knows that. Being in a band that tours all the time, such as DT, would most likely completely prevent him from touring with Avenged Sevenfold full time.
So, my theory is that Portnoy wanted the best of both worlds..... EXCEPT.... the other guys in DT said, "Uh, I don't think so - we don't care about what Avenged Sevenfold is doing." I think they caught on to what he was up to and that's why they didn't wait for him. And, why should they? This post sums it up:
DO NOT FORGET THIS POST
Eddie is not asking the BIG question to Portnoy, which is:
"Mike, Dream Theater pays for the other guys' mortgages and lives, so how is it fair to those guys to have this hiatus you want, when they depend on DT for their livelihood? Particularly the guys that don't write the songs and depend on touring for their income?"
THAT IS THE QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ASKED.
Portnoy needs to address that.
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Yeah that 500% comment wasn't necessary. I know what he meant but it was a bit much.
So much for the fan's not misinterpreting anything ::)
Seriously, we all know Mike didn't mean it like that
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Yeah that 500% comment wasn't necessary. I know what he meant but it was a bit much.
So much for the fan's not misinterpreting anything ::)
Seriously, we all know Mike didn't mean it like that
Mean it like what? That he's bitter that the band decided to go on without him than to wait for however long he wanted to wait for? Cause everything kind of paints that picture.
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The 500% comment was just absurd, and made him sound very arrogant and full of himself. Other than that, I got where he was coming from, as far as wanting a break, but you can't blame the rest of the guys for wanting to go on. The idea that he can just go back whenever he wants is a little disturbing; if you are a drummer they are thinking of hiring as a replacement, will you be happy knowing you are merely keep his chair warm? Plus, how can the band really move forward if there is always the possibility that Portnoy will call them up one day and say he wants back in?
Also, I wonder how much Portnoy exaggerates how much stuff he did with DT. Okay, we know he did a lot, but he makes it sound like he did EVERYTHING, but on his forum yesterday, Petrucci sort of contradicted that by saying that they have a manager who has always taken care of certain aspects. Meanwhile, Portnoy would have us all believe that he did it all. I wouldn't be surprised if Petrucci or some of the others aren't a bit tired of him taking credit for every little thing.
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I'd laugh so hard if Avenged Sevenfold hired another drummer as the permanent replacement.
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I'd laugh so hard if Avenged Sevenfold hired another drummer as the permanent replacement.
I wouldn't. I'd be happy and satisfied for the band that they have moved another step forward since The Rev's death.
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A7X would be quite foolish to make Portnoy thier permanent drummer. They have way more years left in them than Portnoy does.
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As much as i want to be pissed off at Mike over this whole thing and as sad as i am about this, I found him to be very genuine in this interview and I can't help but agree with most of what he's saying regarding the band needing a break. They have fallen into a pretty stale pattern over the last 4 or 5 years and I can't blame him for wanting to mix things up a bit. I also can't blame the rest of the guys for wanting to keep going if that's where their hearts are at.
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The Interview:
Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgD-ns2_Kpg
Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QE2aXjMbnk
Part 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk-Jxyhx7uo
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I'm listening to Instrumedley right now, and it got me that there are very, very few drummers who can replace him(just thinking about the drumming itself). And of course Mike is a pillar that noone really can replace.
Long time since I've posted here, and it saddens me so much that MP had to go. Listened to the Eddie Trunk show and I understand him...
but he'll come back in late 2012 you guys. You know Dec 21st 2012 is doomsday? Well its not, its the date of Mike returning to DT again, its written in the stars I tell you. :smiley:
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Strictly skill wise, there's lots of drummers who can replace him. However, finding someone who not only has the skill, but also has a distinctive attitude and style that fuses with the band without being a portnoy clone...............that might not be so easy.
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Well is there? Drummers as good as MP who are available and are not still 25 years old? I dont think theres plenty of them. Imagine DT going for a tour in nov 2011. Could he pull of the set with songs from all of DTs catalouge?
But of course the other main challenge is; if they find actually one, how will the chemistry be? I expect the next album session to take long.
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Yes, there are plenty of well trained, technically proficient musicians on this planet who are better than Portnoy - again, technically speaking. For them to find a touring musician simply to cover Portnoy's drum parts wouldn't be that difficult to find. What WILL be difficult to find is someone who has the personality to write with and to collaborate with on albums.
Performing music - especially music as pre-arranged as DT's - is A LOT different than creating music. That will be the challenge, to find someone who they can create new music with.
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Good to hear Portnoy discuss everything. I admit, I never had the impression this was intended to be permanent by anyone, and this confirms that it wasn't. It may end up being that way, who knows. But it's clear Portnoy just wanted a break, and to be honest, I don't think that's a bad thing at all. Kinda surprising that they couldn't come up with a compromise of some kind (maybe a shorter hiatus than Portnoy initially hoped for, or something). Maybe I'm ignorant, but I don't buy that the guys would be put under severe financial duress simply by taking a year off.
The 500% comment was just absurd, and made him sound very arrogant and full of himself.
This was the only thing he said that kinda bugged me. Nothing new, of course, just character-revealing. No doubt Portnoy's always busted his ass and probably always will, and he seems like a great guy. But he always has to make sure everybody knows it.
-J
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@J, could you sit around the house and take care of yourself, wife and 2-3 children for a whole year or more? These guys don't have millions rolling in.
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Hell no, I couldn't. And I know they're not bringing in millions, but I also know that DT are a relatively successful band, and they probably make a very comfortable living. Not only that, but the guys are all professional musicians...do they not have sources of income outside of DT (endorsements, side projects, etc)? I honestly don't know anything about this, these may very well be moronic things to say. For example, are solo albums and stuff not really a viable way to make money (in other words, do successful artists make them as a luxury, having made money in a career with their band and knowing that their solo efforts are just going to cost them)?
I just find it a little hard to believe that it could be impossibly debilitating for them to find other work for a year if they had to, and recharge or whatever.
-J
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Considering that even hgue bands say that they don't make much money off of record sales, I'd say no. JP, JR, JLB and JM probably won't make much off of record sales or solo tours.
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Concerning touring.... a couple of months ago, I read an interview where one of them (I think Petrucci) mentioned that touring is actually more difficult because the economy is taking its toll on attendance (in the states). So, for Portnoy to even suggest that they take a break is ridiculous.... they probably need to tour more now.
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thanks for the link to download...listening now!
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Transcript:
https://bit.ly/anB0NP
Matt
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After all the stuff they will have to deal with taking up the slack for all the stuff that MP legitimately does for the band, I find it hard to believe that they will allow MP to just waltz back in whenever he feels like it, especially if the next writing/recording session is a positive experience. And even more so if the resulting album is successful, and the accompanying tour.
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After all the stuff they will have to deal with taking up the slack for all the stuff that MP legitimately does for the band, I find it hard to believe that they will allow MP to just waltz back in whenever he feels like it, especially if the next writing/recording session is a positive experience. And even more so if the resulting album is successful, and the accompanying tour.
I have to agree here. Granted, there's a lot of history between MP and the rest of the band, but there are many other factors that might prevent an easy reunion in the near future. Of course, it will be the easy way out in many ways, but I just can't get it into my mind that a reunion is pretty much the logical thing in three or four years.
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Apart from the 500% comment, I think MP did well in that interview and my respect from him has increased slightly.
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I feel a little better at ease after that interview.
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I really hope DT carry on and when he is ready to come back, they say "Sorry Mike, we are doing fine." IMO Mike has had total control for years and he's slowly bringing the band down. He makes out that he had to do all the press and all the business stuff cause no one else did, yet the other guys are already stepping up, I think they didn't have a chance cause Mike is just to egotistical. If you ask me, Mike seems like a bit of a martyr. I hope the next album is amazing.
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The Interview:
Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgD-ns2_Kpg
Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QE2aXjMbnk
Part 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk-Jxyhx7uo
Thanks a lot :tup.
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The Interview:
Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgD-ns2_Kpg
Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QE2aXjMbnk
Part 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk-Jxyhx7uo
Thanks a lot :tup.
Yeah, thanks v. much for this! :yarr
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Thanks for the link.......
I think Mike came across well. respect to him for doing it. We all know that he is/was the dominant personality in the band so him wanting to a break will have consequences both positive and negative.
Bands having to record and tour all the time is the way that professional musicians have to make a living now. However after 12+ years of doing that a break is perhaps the option needed so that they can become creative again and continue to make a living.
I'm looking forward to whatever DT or MP do next with possibility that they come back stronger.
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I remember towards the end of the CiM tour, MP made a statement that the band was staying out on the road longer than "some members" had agreed to. I asssumed MP was talking about someone else beside him..now I wonder..
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Nice interview, we can feel better now. Anyway, it's strange, he was who always wanted more and more about DT, and now is the only ine who is tired. Well, maybe is not that strange.
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The interview made me feel great. They're still friends, there's no bad blood - it's just a professional disagreement. They'll take some time apart, and if Mike wants to come back a in the future, I'd be glad. If he doesn't... Well, I wish him well - DT would still kick some ass with another drummer.
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First!!!
https://www.yousendit.com/download/UFVyK0dsT01Fd2Z2Wmc9PQ
Well you beat me too it, but only by a minute or two.
Just in case though:
https://www.filedropper.com/mikeportnoyinterview
Thanks for the backup. Rumby's has been used too much, I guess.
Thanks to Rumby too. Without yours the backup link would have been used too much. :biggrin:
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who knows, maybe they have some contractual obligations to their label to release an album/tour within a certain time frame. It would be a shame for them to lose their record deal or something. I mean if 4 of the 5 guys feel that strongly about wanting to keep going they must have good reasons for it.
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As much as i want to be pissed off at Mike over this whole thing and as sad as i am about this, I found him to be very genuine in this interview and I can't help but agree with most of what he's saying regarding the band needing a break. They have fallen into a pretty stale pattern over the last 4 or 5 years and I can't blame him for wanting to mix things up a bit. I also can't blame the rest of the guys for wanting to keep going if that's where their hearts are at.
Maybe, but we fall into the same thing once again. They're no Muse or Lady Gaga, there are no millionaires on DT that can't have any sort of economic impact by not being DT active for 1 whole year.
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I feel a little better at ease after that interview.
I feel a lot better. I actually think now that DT's drummer will be a lame duck who knows his time may be limited going into the project. That's just my gut feeling.
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Which of course makes Mark Zondor the perfect choice.
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=145872
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still thinking about Mike's interview..
My guess is that "Dream Theater is a lot of stress for Mike as far as all the business end of it he handles"
I guess he assumed they would wait for him, so he can do that part of what he has been doing..
then couple that with the FUN, NEWNESS of AX7.. and though he his playing in band, he is NOT that bands leader, and he can take some time off mentally to just focus on playing the drums again, and thats his first love obviously, and to him thats taking a break....but it will be viewed as hes not taking abreak and BSing
then, put the offer of a contract from AX7, as they too have a recored deal to fulfil, and him just now feeling wanted and just finding his way in that band now , ( and their odd but old school style, that part of Mike must be really digging, his uber metal, rock side ) it became a perfect storm...
the bands reaction to this falls in line with this as " they understand " so that tells me there are deals Mike was offered that they understand.
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I feel a little better at ease after that interview.
I feel a lot better. I actually think now that DT's drummer will be a lame duck who knows his time may be limited going into the project. That's just my gut feeling.
agree 100%
its not a job that one should feel too comfortable in..
but in todays economy I wouldnt be shocked by a "big name drummer" giving a call to the band to see what the deal could be
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It's interesting, really. Many people on this forum, I think I can include myself on that boat, that wanted to DT to take a break and come back with that "flame reignited" like Portnoy said. Repeatedly MP and Trunk said on the interview "stay off the Internet", yet somehow it feels like if MP did read our comments regarding that DT needed a break. True, MP felt the need a year ago to maybe take a break:
and this isn't something that I just started feeling and decided overnight; I mean, this dates back to last year. I was already feeling it [back then]. We were in Europe on the Progressive Nation tour last fall and I even suggested to the guys, "Why don't we not tour as much in 2010?" [And then while and after touring with Transatlantic and Iron Maiden] I knew it was coming to a head.
and the Wither video maybe showed us that.
For some, MP did listen to us [the guys who wanted a hiatus] and some of the Internet comments (I'm obviously exaggerating)... the thing is that it didn't come up as well as we all would have wanted.
Mike was really positive with the idea that after a while they will return stronger than ever. He even cited some of those bands he felt came back better than before:
I really think that the band could have used a few years to recharge our batteries and so many bands have done it — whether it be SOUNDGARDEN, ALICE IN CHAINS, JANE'S ADDICTION, PHISH, RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE... A lot of bands, when you're going this long and this strong, they take a break and then come back bigger and better than ever, and that's kind of what I hoped would happen with DREAM THEATER, and I was hoping that would be the path we could take together, but it was not to be.
Yet we all know that those bands never came back "bigger and better". Guns 'N' Roses didn't. Genesis didn't. Bon Jovi is not the same as they were in the 80s. Not even The Police tour a couple years ago was that big. Hell, the odds are against his wishful thinking. It is even against what we thought as a good idea.
It would give us each a chance to recharge our batteries and be re-inspired.
Sadly, that almost never happens. Even if we all agree that it sounds like a good idea.
Having said that, the band will carry on without him. I hope that Dream Theater will write a terrific album and I'm looking forward to all that will be happening these next years. But I know that this will be really hard. Iron Maiden wasn't that big and good after Bruce left. Some of the guys here at DTF are big fans of what came after Brave New World, but to me, that album is just OK, and the rest is just sub-par. If it weren't for their tours and live performance that band would be done. IMHO.
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sorry double post fail by me :tdwn
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Why did you just quote yourself?
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[Iron Maiden part]
Yeah, but this is DT, not Iron Maiden. They're fully capable of making great music without Portnoy. Not that IM wouldn't be able to without Bruce, but that's just how it turned out.
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Why did you just quote yourself?
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I don't think Iron Maiden is a very good example. Bruce wasn't the only one to leave the band, people. Adrian Smith was absent as well.
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I don't think Iron Maiden is a very good example. Bruce wasn't the only one to leave the band, people. Adrian Smith was absent as well.
Iron Maiden, Motley Crue, Judas Priest...all these bands had something Dream Theater never did:
Platinum albums.
Dream Theater's biggest selling album was I & W in 1992/93, it went gold (500K). Awake moved about 250K, and then that was it, they've been around the 100 - 150K mark since.
When those bands came back with the members who left them, the millions of fans who bought those albums came back in droves to the tours. But they didn't buy their new albums in droves.
I disagree with Mike that DT would have come back bigger then ever after a few year break. DT have continuously been building momentum that started in 1999 with SFAM. Every album is charting higher, and its not unreasonable to think that if it was good enough and the buzz was strong enough (and no one big acts were releasing that week) DT could score a #1 on the Billboards in 2011.
If DT were to take a few years off, they would lose that momentum and have no chance at getting to the next level, which Mike seems to be concerned with. In fact, they might sell 50% less albums and lose part of the fan base who was impatient. Probably not in Europe, but we know how fickle people are in the States.
All of those bands he mentioned did not achieve new hieghts after there hiatus, lol. Look a Smashing Pumpkins. Took 7 years off, and came back to poor sales and lackluster concert attendance. And this was a band that went platinum!
I really think they should have continued to work towards a compromise. Instead of recording in January, push it back 6 months. Unfortunately it seems niether side was willing to budge.
We are lucky that all 4 members want to move forward with DT, if just one 'took Mike's side', we might be looking at a break up.
I disagree with Mike's assessment, taking a hiatus would hurt DT much more than it would help. However, they could slow down and do an album every 2.5/3 years instead of every 2 years. Hell most bands these days take 3 years inbetween albums anyway.
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Why did you just quote yourself?
well...I thought it was sorta awesome,, so I quoted it..LOL
In reality it was a double post "typo edit" FAIL by me..
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To be honest, after reading this I can't help but imagine that in the future this will be like one or maybe two Dream Theater albums done with a kind of half replacement for Mike Portnoy, then he comes back and they continue as normal. Maybe, just maybe, if A7X keep going, he might do an album with them. But I don't know if it will really be Portnoy permanently leaving DT, more just like getting his break, except they do a few albums without him in the mean time. A blip in Portnoy's association with them.
Either way, even though I've loved the past 6 DT albums, maybe this will stop some of the criticisms of the albums since they have some new material to write about and a different writing dynamic, and then Mike Portnoy will be "refreshed" in a few years.
Either way, I just hope this causes no problems for the next DT album. It looks like they're determined to get itout there ASAP, so that's good.
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I don't think Iron Maiden is a very good example. Bruce wasn't the only one to leave the band, people. Adrian Smith was absent as well.
Iron Maiden, Motley Crue, Judas Priest...all these bands had something Dream Theater never did:
Platinum albums.
Dream Theater's biggest selling album was I & W in 1992/93, it went gold (500K). Awake moved about 250K, and then that was it, they've been around the 100 - 150K mark since.
When those bands came back with the members who left them, the millions of fans who bought those albums came back in droves to the tours. But they didn't buy their new albums in droves.
I disagree with Mike that DT would have come back bigger then ever after a few year break. DT have continuously been building momentum that started in 1999 with SFAM. Every album is charting higher, and its not unreasonable to think that if it was good enough and the buzz was strong enough (and no one big acts were releasing that week) DT could score a #1 on the Billboards in 2011.
If DT were to take a few years off, they would lose that momentum and have no chance at getting to the next level, which Mike seems to be concerned with. In fact, they might sell 50% less albums and lose part of the fan base who was impatient. Probably not in Europe, but we know how fickle people are in the States.
All of those bands he mentioned did not achieve new hieghts after there hiatus, lol. Look a Smashing Pumpkins. Took 7 years off, and came back to poor sales and lackluster concert attendance. And this was a band that went platinum!
I really think they should have continued to work towards a compromise. Instead of recording in January, push it back 6 months. Unfortunately it seems niether side was willing to budge.
We are lucky that all 4 members want to move forward with DT, if just one 'took Mike's side', we might be looking at a break up.
I disagree with Mike's assessment, taking a hiatus would hurt DT much more than it would help. However, they could slow down and do an album every 2.5/3 years instead of every 2 years. Hell most bands these days take 3 years inbetween albums anyway.
All of that. Seems to be where my head is at. Think about the logistics as far as the dollar goes. More buzz = more album sales and concert attenders. Going dormant at your peak of popularity is not a good business decision.
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Perhaps the buzz about MP's departure will entice even the most casual of fans to pick up DT11, just to hear the band without their former drummer? It could be a HUGE boost in sales that could push DT11 to BC&SL's debut-week spot of No. 6... or higher!
-Marc.
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Well, this could go either way honestly. You get all the sad sacks hung up on Mike leaving to boycott the album and the band till he's back, but it appears that most of us here at least are adamant about the next release...even stimulated at the thought of a record without Mike. How could it work? That's not a hopeless statement. That's one of intrigue. "I have no idea what DT sounds like without Portnoy...I MUST know." - That's my stance.
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No matter the topic, you can always count on the same exact posters to be critical of MP ::) . . .
The funniest thing is that some of those same posters have suggested in the past that DT take a hiatus, but when MP suggests it, it's suddenly a bad idea. Haters gotta hate.
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I'm pretty sure everyone agrees with him on that count, it's his actions as a result of the rest of the band saying no that people are being critical of.
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I was more of the belief that they should write better material. Although not complete busts, the Roadrunner releases thus far have been a step down in quality. I don't think years off is necessary. Sure, it could help, but also cutting out the rule to write in the studio might help. If they properly demoed songs prior to going into the studio and really crafted the songs, that would likely help. More so then a hiatus I imagine.
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You know, after listening to this interview, many things hit home for me, but one stuck out in particular.
MP sounds really sad. I genuinely feel bad for the guy...it's very obvious that he didn't want this to happen (nor did DT), and I think he is very hurt by the whole ordeal. I completely understand both sides of the issue, and I think this probably is the best move for both parties to make at the moment.
But still, I do feel bad for Mike. It must be really hard for him to watch Dream Theater carry on without him. His line about looking forward to watching a Dream Theater concert one day was incredibly sad.
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Well it usually is a shock for someone who thinks they're in control to suddenly not get their way for once. Not to disrespect all that he's done for the band but from the way I'm interpreting all the things I'm hearing I think he honestly expected all the guys to go "You're right, that's a great idea Mike" when asking for a break purely on clout. If DT is really comprised of the five completely different personalities he said it was during the interview then there is no reason to be surprised that they acted the way they did when he confronted them for the final time.
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One thought I had during the interview when he said that he had only ever gone into an album recording when he was 100% into it, I thought :"That's nice, but in a group of five that make their living from this activity, you can't always get 100%. Sometimes you have to stick it out to keep it going for the sake of the others."
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