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« Reply #3780 on: August 29, 2023, 11:46:21 AM »
Time to share something personal. I think I mentioned it elsewhere already but my wife and I decided to make a big move from the states to Europe to be closer to our kid that moved here. Unfortunately the stress and cultural adjustments needed ended up being a breaking point for our marriage, leading to a divorce.

Adjusting to life in a new country without the person I had spent years with has been challenging to say the least. It's been a while now and we're both still here, though my ex-wife has moved on and found someone new. As for me, I haven't really thought about dating since the divorce. It's been quite a journey of self-discovery.

I'm sharing this because, well, sometimes it's just nice to put your thoughts into words and send them out into the world, even if it's to a bunch of strangers on the internet. Thanks for reading!

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« Reply #3781 on: August 29, 2023, 11:48:21 AM »
damn, that sounds really difficult.  Any thoughts on moving back to the states?  And thanks for sharing, it can help to not just write it out but to get some feedback.  (I certainly used the shit out of this thread in my hard times)

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« Reply #3782 on: August 29, 2023, 11:53:17 AM »
The thought of moving back has crossed my mind but I'm mostly happy here. Believe it or not a lot of things are better! Most of the time I am happy being alone but sometimes it itches you know. I don't think I wil need this thread a lot but thanks cram!

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« Reply #3783 on: August 29, 2023, 12:13:56 PM »
What size city/town are you in? You speak the language? I'm not the right person to be giving advice on this as I'm a longtime, happy loaner, but it kind of seems like Europe might be a better place for your situation. Kind of seems like being single over there is far more tolerated. Nobody will give you shit about "when are you going to find somebody new," which happens an awful lot over here, and people will be just as easygoing if you actually are looking for somebody new. 
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« Reply #3784 on: August 29, 2023, 12:18:18 PM »
I think you are both right and wrong Barto, you would be right were it not that I'm in Scandinavia where social contact is hard even for locals  :lol. I'm in a fairly big city so that's not an issue, language wise I'm still struggling but almost everyone speaks English very well luckily.

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« Reply #3785 on: August 29, 2023, 12:25:13 PM »
I think you are both right and wrong Barto, you would be right were it not that I'm in Scandinavia where social contact is hard even for locals  :lol. I'm in a fairly big city so that's not an issue, language wise I'm still struggling but almost everyone speaks English very well luckily.

How long since your divorce, if I may ask?

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« Reply #3786 on: August 29, 2023, 12:27:20 PM »
I think you are both right and wrong Barto, you would be right were it not that I'm in Scandinavia where social contact is hard even for locals  :lol. I'm in a fairly big city so that's not an issue, language wise I'm still struggling but almost everyone speaks English very well luckily.

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« Reply #3787 on: August 29, 2023, 12:48:21 PM »
I think you are both right and wrong Barto, you would be right were it not that I'm in Scandinavia where social contact is hard even for locals  :lol. I'm in a fairly big city so that's not an issue, language wise I'm still struggling but almost everyone speaks English very well luckily.

At least you can enjoy the metal scene?  I'm sure it's pretty popular in Scandinavia

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« Reply #3788 on: August 30, 2023, 07:43:26 AM »
Time to share something personal. I think I mentioned it elsewhere already but my wife and I decided to make a big move from the states to Europe to be closer to our kid that moved here. Unfortunately the stress and cultural adjustments needed ended up being a breaking point for our marriage, leading to a divorce.

Adjusting to life in a new country without the person I had spent years with has been challenging to say the least. It's been a while now and we're both still here, though my ex-wife has moved on and found someone new. As for me, I haven't really thought about dating since the divorce. It's been quite a journey of self-discovery.

I'm sharing this because, well, sometimes it's just nice to put your thoughts into words and send them out into the world, even if it's to a bunch of strangers on the internet. Thanks for reading!

hey, thanks for opening up like this. it sounds like you've been through a lot with the move and the divorce. adjusting to a new country can be really tough, and it's even harder when it takes a toll on a relationship. i can imagine how challenging it must be to see your ex-wife move on while you're still finding your way. taking time for self-discovery sounds like a good move. don't rush into anything if you're not ready. sharing your thoughts here is a brave step, and even though we're strangers, we're here to listen. keep taking it one day at a time.
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Re: Lonely Hearts Club Thread v. The Strong Grip
« Reply #3789 on: August 30, 2023, 08:23:52 AM »
Time to share something personal. I think I mentioned it elsewhere already but my wife and I decided to make a big move from the states to Europe to be closer to our kid that moved here. Unfortunately the stress and cultural adjustments needed ended up being a breaking point for our marriage, leading to a divorce.

Adjusting to life in a new country without the person I had spent years with has been challenging to say the least. It's been a while now and we're both still here, though my ex-wife has moved on and found someone new. As for me, I haven't really thought about dating since the divorce. It's been quite a journey of self-discovery.

I'm sharing this because, well, sometimes it's just nice to put your thoughts into words and send them out into the world, even if it's to a bunch of strangers on the internet. Thanks for reading!

hey, thanks for opening up like this. it sounds like you've been through a lot with the move and the divorce. adjusting to a new country can be really tough, and it's even harder when it takes a toll on a relationship. i can imagine how challenging it must be to see your ex-wife move on while you're still finding your way. taking time for self-discovery sounds like a good move. don't rush into anything if you're not ready. sharing your thoughts here is a brave step, and even though we're strangers, we're here to listen. keep taking it one day at a time.

I second all that; I think there's very little that at least some of us haven't been through in some form or fashion.   Divorce was both the hardest and greatest thing I ever did, since it got me to where I am now, and as ugly as it was at some points, I don't know that there's much I would change (MAYBE done it sooner?).  I can't IMAGINE having gone through it in a strange (to me) country.

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« Reply #3790 on: August 30, 2023, 09:15:07 AM »
No divorce here because I ended the engagement before that could happen, but at 10 years in that relationship, it might as well been a divorce as I can relate to exactly what Stadler just said.  Both the greatest and most difficult thing I have done in my life and it was 100% for the best, no regrets ending that.

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« Reply #3791 on: August 30, 2023, 09:18:22 AM »
No divorce here because I ended the engagement before that could happen, but at 10 years in that relationship, it might as well been a divorce as I can relate to exactly what Stadler just said.  Both the greatest and most difficult thing I have done in my life and it was 100% for the best, no regrets ending that.

Yeah–I walked away from an 8-year relationship 2 weeks before we were due to hit the alter.

When I look back on my life, I realize that it was the first 'really hard' decision I made. Of course, many more would follow, but I look back at that point as a pivotal fork in the road.

No regrets, but definitely wonder why I waited so long, especially considering how everything worked out.

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« Reply #3792 on: August 30, 2023, 09:36:02 AM »
Time to share something personal. I think I mentioned it elsewhere already but my wife and I decided to make a big move from the states to Europe to be closer to our kid that moved here. Unfortunately the stress and cultural adjustments needed ended up being a breaking point for our marriage, leading to a divorce.

Adjusting to life in a new country without the person I had spent years with has been challenging to say the least. It's been a while now and we're both still here, though my ex-wife has moved on and found someone new. As for me, I haven't really thought about dating since the divorce. It's been quite a journey of self-discovery.

I'm sharing this because, well, sometimes it's just nice to put your thoughts into words and send them out into the world, even if it's to a bunch of strangers on the internet. Thanks for reading!

Crikey. What country are you in?

Had an 11 year relationship finish last year. We weren't married but she was my best friend. It was all amicable but we're sadly no longer really friends and see my avatar? Lost my best buddy in the split, too. Heart breaking, to be honest. I moved in here four months after we agreed to split and then two weeks later was told I was being made redundant, totally out of the blue, after 15 years.

But here I am a year and a lot of dating site rejection later, and I still know the split was the best thing for both of us. The last year has been tough with all the changes but I'm doing fine! And bloody hell, it's amazing to have a proper film room now, and also to not get wound up about the state of my partner's toothbrush (she never used to rinse it properly. It's obviously totally unimportant but we all know how silly stuff gets magnified!). Still miss her sometimes, though. Only natural. I hope she's well. But damn, losing my dog. That hurt and still hurts.

Went years without sex. Happy to be open about it. Was never obsessed by it so it was... sort of okay going without? Anyway, that's turned around recently although I don't know that I'd call her my partner. It's very early days. But we've had fun when we've met and I'm seeing her again on Friday.

Wish I'd noticed this thread months ago, to be honest. As you said above, PMSummer, it's good to just get thoughts out.
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« Reply #3793 on: August 30, 2023, 09:40:25 AM »
No regrets, but definitely wonder why I waited so long, especially considering how everything worked out.

This is more of my regret in the end, waiting so long. But it taught me a valuable lesson about my time.

Lost my best buddy in the split, too. Heart breaking, to be honest. I moved in here four months after we agreed to split and then two weeks later was told I was being made redundant, totally out of the blue, after 15 years.

I hear ya, I lost my three cats.  I really didn't want to part with 1 of them specifically, that I had a good bond with.  It really sucked, but sadly this was part of our very messy break up. Something had to give and that was it on my end.

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Re: Lonely Hearts Club Thread v. The Strong Grip
« Reply #3794 on: August 30, 2023, 02:51:30 PM »
Anyone else painfully lonely? And if so may we virtually cry on each others shoulders?

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« Reply #3795 on: August 31, 2023, 10:39:40 AM »
Aww. I feel you.

The problem I had with loneliness is I'd tell people I knew and they'd say, "well, come over!", which was lovely but... it was not that kind of loneliness. It was the loneliness I felt sitting on the sofa and not having someone to talk to or touch, and no favourable probability of it happening any time soon. It's really hard to explain that to people who've been married for 20 or 30 years.
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« Reply #3796 on: August 31, 2023, 11:12:20 AM »
Aww. I feel you.

The problem I had with loneliness is I'd tell people I knew and they'd say, "well, come over!", which was lovely but... it was not that kind of loneliness. It was the loneliness I felt sitting on the sofa and not having someone to talk to or touch, and no favourable probability of it happening any time soon. It's really hard to explain that to people who've been married for 20 or 30 years.

...who are sitting on the couch thinking "I hope she doesn't ask me a question!" or "I hope he doesn't try to grope my hand again!".   I KID! I KID!  (Do I?)
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« Reply #3797 on: August 31, 2023, 11:36:04 PM »
The problem I had with loneliness is I'd tell people I knew and they'd say, "well, come over!", which was lovely but... it was not that kind of loneliness. It was the loneliness I felt sitting on the sofa and not having someone to talk to or touch, and no favourable probability of it happening any time soon. It's really hard to explain that to people who've been married for 20 or 30 years.

Been married 14 years, and I know it's not the same, but I get it, as much as I can. Sometimes I feel lonely, and I got a wife and two crazy kids at home. It's not about the number of bodies you got surrounding you. It's about how you connect with them. And if that connection is lacking, sometimes that can feel as lonely as actually being alone.
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« Reply #3798 on: May 24, 2024, 12:13:42 AM »
So here's my story (it's a long one). Her name changed for anonymity.

Just over a year ago, I met this girl at our renaissance festival. I guess I'll paint a picture of her before I go any further. She's very unique. She's an alt girl (pastel goth), and she's fucking incredible, smartest person I've ever met, scientist, etc.

She's notoriously inaccessible because of her local popularity, largely due her festival and online presence, as well as her... *ahem* content creation, but I still managed to land myself inside her circle. After meeting her at our festival last year, I joined her discord server, and she hopped into voice chat while I was playing Sea of Thieves. We ended up talking for hours, and we clicked, like I've never clicked with anyone before.

After texting for a week or so and getting to know each other better, she said she wanted to introduce me to Ted Lasso, as the show was very personal to her. So she invited me over, and we watched it every Thursday, as it was my only free day of the week. Once we hit the season finale, I jokingly (but not really) asked what was next. We started picking out movies and shows I hadn't seen, and that's... well, that's been the last year. With the exception of the times she's gone out of town, we've hung out every week for the past year, watching movies, shows, just hanging out, etc....

That's the quantifiable/documentable aspect of our friendship. Now I'll go more into the intangibles to paint a better picture. I often refer to her as my therapist because of the manner in which she supports me; she and I communicate at a very high level - we're very transparent, vulnerable, and open with each other. We've established a level of trust that I haven't experienced with *anyone.* We often communicate to each other, in one way or another, just how important we are to each other.

There are pages and pages of stuff I could go into, moments I could describe, things that could be articulated, etc. The long and short of it is that I have expressed to her that she is my best friend, and she has expressed the same to me.
 
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As is the case with all adults, relationships have come and gone in my life for a multitude of reasons. However, my most recent relationship involves my best friend (who I mentioned in a previous assignment) and has had the greatest impact on my life of any relationship thus far. While we’re not in a romantic relationship, I feel that describing her as my best friend doesn’t quite do our relationship justice to the outside observer. I’ve known her for less than a year, and she has contributed to my growth, health, confidence, self-acceptance, and happiness more than I thought anyone would ever be capable of doing. She challenges me and inspires me, has sparked in me a paradigm shift, and continuously helps me to find a better version of myself.
I let her read this, she cried, and then we spent three hours talking in my car about each other, how we inspire/admire/respect each other, etc.

So here's my struggle. I am deeply in love with her. The problem is, I have every reason to believe she wants a platonic relationship. I think? I don't know. But I'm scared to have "the talk." I don't know when, where, or how, and I don't know that I'm prepared for the "let's be friends" conversation that I believe is likely to follow. I *do* believe that we're close enough that it won't negatively impact the dynamic of our relationship when I tell her. There is also a cruel irony in that she is not only responsible for these feelings, but is the only one capable of helping me navigate through them. Anyway -  there's a weight on my chest and there has been for some time.

I have no idea what to do.

tl;dr - I'm in love with my best friend and terrified to tell her as much.
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Re: Lonely Hearts Club Thread v. The Strong Grip
« Reply #3799 on: May 24, 2024, 04:17:44 AM »
I've seen the pictures of her my friend. I'd say, if you feel it's a platonic relationship,  let her make the move. If you see something different in the looks she gives, make a gentlemanly move.
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« Reply #3800 on: May 24, 2024, 05:08:09 AM »
I'm not sure I'm qualified to give advice since a similar situation ended unsuccessfully for me many years ago. But I can tell you what I wish I would have done.

I wish I had been honest with myself that I couldn't let go of my romantic feelings while staying friends with her. A best friend can't hold a massive secret like this. It's not fair to her.

That being said,  don't go in blazing and declare your undying love. I also wouldn't sit back and wait for her. There us a 100% chance that she has considered something romantic with you. She has either decided that she's not interested in you that way or she's feeling similarly to you.

All you can do is ask. And I think you should, again without a grand declaration of love.


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« Reply #3801 on: May 24, 2024, 07:46:52 AM »
I'm probably better off staying clear, I suppose.... but we're friends here, and I don't think you post something like that with the hopes that someone blows smoke up your skirt. 

I think Lordxizor is right: if you really do have the relationship you think you have - and I don't doubt you - she has to fully know or at least anticipate that non-platonic feelings could be or even are present.  I'm not there, I'm not in your conversations, I'm not part of your inner circle, but in my experience, you too would have something to draw on in order to understand where she's at in this endeavor IF she was being as honest with you as you have been with her.

And I think Lordxizor is also right that you need to be honest with yourself.  Brutally honest.  What can your mental constitution handle?  Bells can't be unrung, and this is harsh, but I believe it to be true: there is only a slim chance that you can raise as big an issue as this and have the relationship remain completely unchanged.   Not saying it will be a BAD change, but I'm saying that it's unrealistic to think  you can change a key variable and not have the equation outcome be different at the end.  So ask yourself: what can you live with?  Can you live with putting yourself out there and having it not be what you had hoped? 

Maybe it's my age, maybe it's my experience, but I quote Michael Scott here:  you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. People don't tend to regret things they DID, they tend to regret things they DIDN'T do.   I don't at all regret "putting it out there" with Kelly back in college; sure, she went off and married someone else and had a couple kids and I haven't spoken to her in decades, but my life is complete and I rarely think of her. I have my wife, and I have my kids, and I am grateful and fulfilled, and I chalk that up to one of the experiences that got me where I am today.   Do I sometimes wonder what it would have been like if I DID put it out there with Susan?  Maybe.  I can neither confirm nor deny.  But again, you have to be honest with yourself before you can be honest with her.

Important enough that I'll say it again: you have to be honest with yourself before you can really be honest with her.

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« Reply #3802 on: May 24, 2024, 10:08:03 AM »
And I think Lordxizor is also right that you need to be honest with yourself.  Brutally honest. 
Yes! I admitted to myself that I was miserable being just friends. I thought she made me happy, but I wasn't happy at all. When I was happy it was because I was living in a fantasy of what could be, not what was.

MetalJunkie, you deserve something real. Not just the potential of something awesome. Asking her if she's interested in more will either start your journey toward the relationship you want with her, or it will be the start of you moving on (whether you stay just friends or you stop seeing her altogether). Either way, you will be in a much better place afterward.

I will also add that in my experience, the longer you wait, the higher the chance that any romantic interest she had in you will dwindle and die.
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« Reply #3803 on: May 25, 2024, 02:37:33 AM »
I'm not sure what to say. I'll pitch a comment in favor of telling her and seeing where the chips fall. I've had this sort of deep, transcending in its psychological effect, best friendship too, and none of us ever made any moves, and the friendship faded anyway. Now I often wonder what could have been if we had the good sense to really keep the near-daily deep talks going and miss the presence of this man in my life.

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