Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album

[Peter Mc]

I did put Avantasia into the search and nothing much came up but found that thread now, thanks. Just thought it might have spilled over into the Queensrÿche thread as well given Tate’s involvement. Anyway it’s a decent album and, like I said, very impressed with Tate’s performance. Based on this alone, I would happily listen to another QR album with him singing, if the songs were any good of course!

[Lowdz]

This isn’t strictly Queensrÿche but can’t see any mention of the last Avantasia album here which I recently was bought for Christmas. Geoff Tate gets bashed a lot (by me also) here, probably more for his actions than his talent but I have to admit he sounds great on this record, way better than I was expecting him to.

Agree. Seen him live twice in the last couple of years in a pub locally and his voice was in good shape. He didn’t seem to be too much of an arse either.

The question about a new QR album and Tate would have to be who writes it. The last few Tate QR albums were written by him and his mates, not QR. And the Mindcrime albums he’s done continue with that and they are shit. It would have to have the full participation of QR in the writing for me to even bother listening.

[EPICVIEW]

This isn’t strictly Queensrÿche but can’t see any mention of the last Avantasia album here which I recently was bought for Christmas. Geoff Tate gets bashed a lot (by me also) here, probably more for his actions than his talent but I have to admit he sounds great on this record, way better than I was expecting him to.

Agree. Seen him live twice in the last couple of years in a pub locally and his voice was in good shape. He didn’t seem to be too much of an arse either.

The question about a new QR album and Tate would have to be who writes it. The last few Tate QR albums were written by him and his mates, not QR. And the Mindcrime albums he’s done continue with that and they are shit. It would have to have the full participation of QR in the writing for me to even bother listening.

But,,,, the "members" of  what is called QR is only Wilton and Jackson and they are both very weak writers and they gave Latorre ful control on the writing, so I dont see how this could really work?  nor would a CD of "whole band writing" is always an illusion w QR, back in the golden era it was really mostly Chris writing with Geoff , around Geoffs gift of a voice.

[Peter Mc]

Oh yeah, I’m not offering up any solutions here. Just saying that, if he could sing at that level for a whole album, I’d be ok with his vocals on a QR album.  How they’d get over their differences, who could be relied upon to write some decent songs etc. is a completely different question to which I have no answer. I just kind of thought he was past it as a vocalist on this type of material and have been surprised to hear that, at least on record, he isn’t.

[Lowdz]

They could keep Todd as drummer and back up for those notes Tate Cant reach but I don’t see it happening and don’t really want it to happen either. I’m happy with QR as they are today. A little variety in the writing wouldn’t go amiss, and an epic would be a plus.

[bosk1]

Neither band is putting out anything very good lately.  But Queensryche's output overall since the split has been miles above anything with Tate's name on it since at least Q2K.

[Max Kuehnau]

Neither band is putting out anything very good lately.  But Queensryche's output overall since the split has been miles above anything with Tate's name on it since at least Q2K.

How or why do think could this happen? (for context, I don't consider myself to be a massive QR fan, but I enjoyed everything up until say Promised Land. (and parts of OM2)

[EPICVIEW]

I believe both Tate and whats called QR are "done"  Tate Im glad is out having fun and singing, but both camps are done and just paying the bills,,,The DRAMA is better than the music !!!

[The Walrus]

I enjoyed Condition Human and The Verdict... not mindblowing records but not bad. Just good Queensryche reminiscent of their glory days

[TAC]

I enjoyed Condition Human and The Verdict... not mindblowing records but not bad. Just good Queensryche reminiscent of their glory days

I like both of them. I'll tell you that if I went into a coma in 1995, I would've never known there was any singer change.

[bosk1]

Hmm...I didn't really care for Verdict.  I'll have to revisit it. 

The DRAMA is better than the music !!!

There hasn't been drama in years.

Just for fun, my Queensryche top 10:
1.  Empire
2.  Promised Land
3.  Mindcrime
4.  Condition Human
5.  Queensryche (2013)
6.  Hear in the Now Frontier
7.  Rage for Order
8.  American Soldier
9.  Warning
10.  Mindcrime II

[The Walrus]

I enjoyed Condition Human and The Verdict... not mindblowing records but not bad. Just good Queensryche reminiscent of their glory days

I like both of them. I'll tell you that if I went into a coma in 1995, I would've never known there was any singer change.

Same. There are a lot of moments on both of those (I haven't heard the self-titled yet somehow) that made me go "wow, that's SPOT ON Tate" - not easy to do.

[EPICVIEW]

Hmm...I didn't really care for Verdict.  I'll have to revisit it. 

The DRAMA is better than the music !!!

There hasn't been drama in years.

Just for fun, my Queensryche top 10:
1.  Empire
2.  Promised Land
3.  Mindcrime
4.  Condition Human
5.  Queensryche (2013)
6.  Hear in the Now Frontier
7.  Rage for Order
8.  American Soldier
9.  Warning
10.  Mindcrime II

I disagree   the band has still not announced that SRock is long gone and not coming back ( hes not ) and I smell more drama coming  and after that drama ( when it happens) the music will still be luke warm forgettable stuff that will loosly sound like old QR ( because the fans seem to want samey stuff from them tho Tate and Chris hated to do the same stuff)  and to me the NU QR is awful and meaningless and Tate tho talented and driven to me and I know this will not go voer well has not made a catchy good song since FU,,,,I liked FU, I liked the anger and the emotion on it and it had some great songs and to me will go down as the Final QR CD for better or worse,  Latorre is so bad to me ears, I hate everything he touches   and live QR is vapid and juvenile BS now,  Id go see Tate just because hes a legend

[The Walrus]

I don't get it... Todd sounds very similar to Tate on the new stuff. I don't get how someone could so strongly dislike him but enjoy Tate, but hey, different strokes.

[NoseofNicko]

Oh look it’s that Geoff Tate fanboy who’s completely biased against new Queensryche.

[wolfking]

Hmm...I didn't really care for Verdict.  I'll have to revisit it. 

The DRAMA is better than the music !!!

There hasn't been drama in years.

Just for fun, my Queensryche top 10:
1.  Empire
2.  Promised Land
3.  Mindcrime
4.  Condition Human
5.  Queensryche (2013)
6.  Hear in the Now Frontier
7.  Rage for Order
8.  American Soldier
9.  Warning
10.  Mindcrime II

I disagree   the band has still not announced that SRock is long gone and not coming back ( hes not ) and I smell more drama coming  and after that drama ( when it happens) the music will still be luke warm forgettable stuff that will loosly sound like old QR ( because the fans seem to want samey stuff from them tho Tate and Chris hated to do the same stuff)  and to me the NU QR is awful and meaningless and Tate tho talented and driven to me and I know this will not go voer well has not made a catchy good song since FU,,,,I liked FU, I liked the anger and the emotion on it and it had some great songs and to me will go down as the Final QR CD for better or worse,  Latorre is so bad to me ears, I hate everything he touches   and live QR is vapid and juvenile BS now,  Id go see Tate just because hes a legend

It's nice to have you post on this forum with us Geoff. 

[bosk1]

Give our love to Susan.

[Peter Mc]

My top 10 (if I can get up to 10, we’ll see) is as follows:

Operation:Mindcrime
Empire
Rage For Order
The Warning
Promised Land
Self Titled (the album not the EP)
Condition Human
The Verdict
Q2K
Hear In The Now Frontier

[IDontNotDoThings]

Sure why not

#1. Promised Land
#2. Operation Mindcrime II
#3. Operation Mindcrime
#4. Empire
#5. Condition Human
#6. Rage For Order
#7. Q2K
#8. Tribe
#9. American Soldier
10. Queensryche 2013

11. The Warning / Queensryche 1983
12. The Verdict
13. Hear In The Now Frontier
14. the other one that doesn't exist

[Phoenix87x]

1. Promised land
2. Mindcrime I
3. Warning
4. Rage for order
5. Debut Self titled
6. Empire
7. Tribe
8. Mindcrime II
9. Condition Human

I rest I have heard in passing but haven't listened to them enough to rank

[TAC]

1. Warning
2. Operation Mindcrime
3. EP
4. Rage For Order
5. Empire
6. The Verdict
7. Condition Human
8. S/T
9. Hear In The Now Frontier


….everything else...

[wolfking]

1. Mindcrime
2. Warning
3. Empire
4. EP
5. Rage For Order
6. Promised Land
7. Tribe
8. Self titled
9. Hear in the Now Frontier
10. Condition Human
11. American Soldier
12. Mindcrime 2
13. The Verdict
14. Q2K
15. Dedicated to Chaos

[Lupton]

Is it possible (in this dimension of reality) to actually think that FU is a better record than any of the 3 records with LaTorre? Isn't that like anti-matter? Just goes to show, different strokes and all...I guess some people just like different things.   

[Lupton]

Give our love to Susan.

 

[wolfking]

Is it possible (in this dimension of reality) to actually think that FU is a better record than any of the 3 records with LaTorre? Isn't that like anti-matter? Just goes to show, different strokes and all...I guess some people just like different things. 

Yeah, I guess each to their own, but I gave FU a really good go and tried went in with an open mind.  It's a horrible record.  I don't mind the opening track at all, but the rest is just woeful.

[gzarruk]

Is it possible (in this dimension of reality) to actually think that FU is a better record than any of the 3 records with LaTorre? Isn't that like anti-matter? Just goes to show, different strokes and all...I guess some people just like different things. 

Yeah, I guess each to their own, but I gave FU a really good go and tried went in with an open mind.  It's a horrible record.  I don't mind the opening track at all, but the rest is just woeful.

Yep, same opinion here.

[Kwyjibo]

Ranking all the ones I know:

1a. Operation Mindcrime
1b. Empire
1c. Rage For Order
2. The Verdict
3. Condition Human
4. Promised Land
5. Q2K
6. The Warning
7. Queensryche 2013
8. Hear In The Now Frontier
9. EP
10. American Soldier
11. Abomination Mindcrime II
12. Tribe

[Mladen]

The easy part:

1. Operation: mindcrime
2. Promised land
3. Rage for order
4. The Warning
5. Empire

The albums that are good, I guess:

6. Condition human
7. Hear in the now frontier

And then the rest gets difficult. The remaining two LaTorre albums are certainly not bad. There are some fine songs on Tribe and Q2K. American soldier is not to be completely thrown away. Dedicated to chaos, Mindcrime 2 and Frequency unknown might as well not exist.

[Freeze]

1.Operation: Mindcrime
2.Rage For Order
3.Promised Land
4.Empire
5.Condition Human
6.Operation: Mindcrime II
7.Tribe
8.Selftitled
9.The Verdict
10.Hear In The Now Frontier
11.Warning
12.American Soldier
13.Ep
14.Q2K
15.Dedicated To Chaos

[Samsara]

1. Operation: Mindcrime
2. The Warning
3. Promised Land
4. Rage for Order
5. Empire
6. Tribe (original lineup tracks only) - Open, Desert Dance, Falling Behind, Art of Life, Doin Fine, Justified
7. EP
8. Hear in the Now Frontier

The rest:

1. American Soldier
2. Queensryche 2013
3. Q2k
4. Condition Human

The below, to me, just have echoes of the Queensryche sound:

5. The Verdict (not a bad record at all, just in the annals of Queensryche, it doesn't sound a lot like them)
6. Operation: Mindcrime II
7. Dedicated to Chaos

>>>>I don't consider F.U. to be a Queensryche record, despite what it is labeled as. Some promising tunes on it though.

[EPICVIEW]

Oh look it’s that Geoff Tate fanboy who’s completely biased against new Queensryche.

Or just an objective real fan of the band since 1982 , whart did I say that was wrong or overly Tate loving, and yea I think  most people only know Tate as QR and QR as w Tate, like Bruce w Maiden or Judas w Rob

[EPICVIEW]

Hmm...I didn't really care for Verdict.  I'll have to revisit it. 

The DRAMA is better than the music !!!

There hasn't been drama in years.

Just for fun, my Queensryche top 10:
1.  Empire
2.  Promised Land
3.  Mindcrime
4.  Condition Human
5.  Queensryche (2013)
6.  Hear in the Now Frontier
7.  Rage for Order
8.  American Soldier
9.  Warning
10.  Mindcrime II

I disagree   the band has still not announced that SRock is long gone and not coming back ( hes not ) and I smell more drama coming  and after that drama ( when it happens) the music will still be luke warm forgettable stuff that will loosly sound like old QR ( because the fans seem to want samey stuff from them tho Tate and Chris hated to do the same stuff)  and to me the NU QR is awful and meaningless and Tate tho talented and driven to me and I know this will not go voer well has not made a catchy good song since FU,,,,I liked FU, I liked the anger and the emotion on it and it had some great songs and to me will go down as the Final QR CD for better or worse,  Latorre is so bad to me ears, I hate everything he touches   and live QR is vapid and juvenile BS now,  Id go see Tate just because hes a legend

It's nice to have you post on this forum with us Geoff.

My pleasure    shall we continue?

[EPICVIEW]

Is it possible (in this dimension of reality) to actually think that FU is a better record than any of the 3 records with LaTorre? Isn't that like anti-matter? Just goes to show, different strokes and all...I guess some people just like different things. 

To me its not even close  FU has real emotion and feel,,I actually love 5 song on it,,, I was impressed in many ways,, why would I like a solo Latorre CD under the QR moniker?  none of his songs move me at all, they sound like bad Stryper for kids and the band is so limited in talent.  I dont get why anyone would like NU QR, its total tripe

[bosk1]

Oh look it’s that Geoff Tate fanboy who’s completely biased against new Queensryche.

Or just an objective real fan of the band since 1982

Nothing about your posts demonstrates any objectivity whatsoever.  I don't think you understand what that words means.

[EPICVIEW]

Oh look it’s that Geoff Tate fanboy who’s completely biased against new Queensryche.

Or just an objective real fan of the band since 1982

Nothing about your posts demonstrates any objectivity whatsoever.  I don't think you understand what that words means.

why  because I think Latorre sucks? has a rancid BS voice? and Tate is QR?  watching Nu QR live is so bad they should not have the QR name ,,, growls and blood, water drinking,,,shrieking off key and head bangin is not QR and Scotts not even on the last NU QR album and the drums are not up to par, if Tate had the QR name it would be lights out for Wilton and Jackson as nobody has ever gone to show to see those two, and nobody knew of Latorre until he was 40 years old and replacing Tate, its not like they got a great singer to replace Tate,  3/5 of the band is gone .  Tate alone to me is HALF of QR solo ( Chris being the other half ) and after that Scott is the most missed and his skill was part of the what made QRs sound unique  , Wilton has no style nor Jackson, those 2 objectively would be the easiest to replace as we see Tate do with ease .  Chris and Tate are QR period ( especially with Scott gone ) IMO