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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: KevShmev on July 06, 2010, 10:43:23 PM
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Using the search forum, I noticed that there isn't an official Priest thread, and there damn well should be, so here it is. It was inspired by reading this post in the most played thread:
Judas Priest - Dreamer Deceiver (Fuck Painkiller, this is JP's best song.)
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While I wouldn't say "Dreamer Deceiver" is my single favorite Priest song, it would be top 5, easily. In fact, I consider that and "Deceiver" to be like two songs that go together. I'll start the ball rolling by listing a top 10 off the top of my head:
1. "Beyond the Realms of Death"
2. "Victim of Changes" (live from UITE)
3. "Sinner"
4. "Dreamer Deceiver"/"Deceiver"
5. "Desert Plains"
6. "Bloodstone"
7. "Exciter"
8. "Tyrant"
9. "The Rage"
10. "A Touch of Evil"
Oh, and "Painkiller" wouldn't even make my top 3 from that CD. :biggrin:
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Its nearly impossible for me to make a top 10 JP song list, but I'll rank their albums.
And :metal at being the inspiration for a thread :biggrin:
1. Sad Wings of Destiny
2. Sin After Sin
3. Stained Class
4. Defenders of the Faith
5. Screaming For Vengeance
6. Painkiller
7. Angel of Retribution
8. Ram it Down (This is not a bad album, I don't get the hate this album gets)
9. British Steele
10. Point of Entry
11. Hell Bent For Leather
12. Nostradamus
13. Rocka Rolla
14. Demolition
15. Jugulator
16. Turbo
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Kinda a Judas Priest noob. As soon as I get money, I'll be getting a lot of JP's stuff. All I have now is British Steel, Nostradamus, Screaming For Vengeance, and Hell Bent For Leather, which I haven't listened to yet. My favorite is SFV, with BS behind it. As a matter of fact, "Living After Midnight" was the first song I learned on the drums. Love that song.
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My thoughts on Judas Priest: "Meh."
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I definitely agree with Sad Wings behind their best, and I would put Stained Class at number 2.
I must admit that Ram It Down would be near the bottom for me, but the title track (featuring an unbelievably awesome dual guitar solo) and "Blood Red Skies" are both killer tunes.
Actually, I think Rocka Rolla is one that gets overlooked way too much. I think it is great, and it would definitely be in the top half if I had to rank my favorite Priest albums.
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My thoughts on Judas Priest: "Meh."
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I definitely agree with Sad Wings behind their best, and I would put Stained Class at number 2.
I must admit that Ram It Down would be near the bottom for me, but the title track (featuring an unbelievably awesome dual guitar solo) and "Blood Red Skies" are both killer tunes.
Actually, I think Rocka Rolla is one that gets overlooked way too much. I think it is great, and it would definitely be in the top half if I had to rank my favorite Priest albums.
Sin after Sin is just so.... experimental for a Judas Priest album, I can't help but love it for that. And yes, I actually like Diamonds and Rust.
Rocka Rolla is okay..... but it just doesn't have that "Judas Priest" feel.
My thoughts on Judas Priest: "Meh."
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Rocka Rolla is definitely less metal than most of Priest's other stuff, but it is still very good. "Run of the Mill" would be in my top 20, and every thing else ranges from good to very good.
Sin After Sin would be top 5 for me, too, along with SFV and British Steel, the latter of which I seem to like more than a lot of diehard Priest fans do. Oh well.
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Hey man, I never said I hated them. I just never said they were a regular pleasure of mine. I'd say I like them about as much as Iron Maiden. They have a few awesome albums and a ton of decent albums. Painkiller and Screaming For Vengeance being my personal favorites.
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Rocka Rolla is definitely less metal than most of Priest's other stuff, but it is still very good. "Run of the Mill" would be in my top 20, and every thing else ranges from good to very good.
Sin After Sin would be top 5 for me, too, along with SFV and British Steel, the latter of which I seem to like more than a lot of diehard Priest fans do. Oh well.
I completely forgot about Run of the Mill! Its a great song, just not always in the mood for it. Hell, I think I've only listened to Rocka Rolla like 2-3 times in its entirety though.
As for British Steele, its good.... but there's a lot of filler on it.
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Hey man, I never said I hated them. I just never said they were a regular pleasure of mine. I'd say I like them about as much as Iron Maiden. They have a few awesome albums and a ton of decent albums. Painkiller and Screaming For Vengeance being my personal favorites.
I suppose this is a valid opinion.
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My thoughts on Judas Priest: "Meh."
Painkiller is the only song of theirs that has ever excited me. I'll have to agree with UMH here.
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I completely forgot about Run of the Mill! Its a great song, just not always in the mood for it. Hell, I think I've only listened to Rocka Rolla like 2-3 times in its entirety though.
Every time I listen to it, I am like, "Damn, this is so good...I need to listen to this more!" :lol
As for British Steele, its good.... but there's a lot of filler on it.
I don't see that at all. Every song is good, and it has three positively outstanding Priest songs:
"Metal Gods"
"The Rage"
"Steeler"
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My thoughts on Judas Priest: "Meh."
Painkiller is the only song of theirs that has ever excited me. I'll have to agree with UMH here.
Painkiller is incredibly overrated. Good song, but it would be just outside top 30 for me.
I completely forgot about Run of the Mill! Its a great song, just not always in the mood for it. Hell, I think I've only listened to Rocka Rolla like 2-3 times in its entirety though.
Every time I listen to it, I am like, "Damn, this is so good...I need to listen to this more!" :lol
As for British Steele, its good.... but there's a lot of filler on it.
I don't see that at all. Every song is good, and it has three positively outstanding Priest songs:
"Metal Gods"
"The Rage"
"Steeler"
Metal Gods is great, The Rage and Steeler are meh songs though. Never cared for those.
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Not really coming from a metal background, an almost speed metal song like "Painkiller" doesn't appeal to me that much. I do dig "Freewheel Burning," which is pretty fast, too, quite a bit, however.
Also, "Before the Dawn" is awesome.
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Not really coming from a metal background, an almost speed metal song like "Painkiller" doesn't appeal to me that much. I do dig "Freewheel Burning," which is pretty fast, too, quite a bit, however.
Also, "Before the Dawn" is awesome.
I'm a fan of Death Metal, so obviously I don't mind fast/brutal songs. Its just that Painkiller isn't as great as its hype is. Very good song, yes. Still, not quite what its hyped up to be.
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Big fan here :metal
I had a big Priest phase a couple of years ago when I got all their albums (and they've released quite a few). Favourite albums include Killing Machine, Screaming For Vengeance, Sin After Sin, and Sad Wings Of Destiny. Rob Halford is one of the best singers ever, no matter what genre. His solo stuff is awesome too.
He even did a great duet with Bruce Dickinson on the song The One You Love To Hate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-KZtvs0Al4
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Priest is one of my favorite bands.
Rob Halford is a god :metal
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I've never been a fan of Sad wings of destiny. I enjoy Victim of changes, Tyrant and Genocide. There's nothing about the rest of the album that at least makes me tap my foot, it's so bland. Even Rocka rolla sounds cooler to me.
My favorite albums: Screaming for vengeance, Defenders of the faith, Hell bend for leather, Painkiller, British steel, Sin after sin. Some of the good songs: Tyrant, Sinner, Exciter, Hell bent for leather, Before the dawn, Living after midnight, Heading out the highway, Electric eye, Take these chains, The Sentinel, Some heads are gonna roll, Ram it down, Painkiller, Worth fighting for, Future of mankind... I haven't heard the albums with Ripper, although I've seen the live DVD, and enjoyed every second of it.
I'll never forget July the 1st 2008. That was the day I was supposed to see Judas Priest live. I bought the ticket in the late december and waited for six months to see my first big heavy metal concert. However, only a couple of hours before the planned time for show to start, we found out that Glen Tipton got sick and was taken to England to have an operation done. I felt sorry for Glen, but I was so desperate - the show I've waited to see for so long got canceled on the date of the gig. I though I'll remember July the 1st as one of the worst dates of my life, but thankfully on that date one year later, I got to see Dream Theater live. :biggrin:
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I've never been a fan of Sad wings of destiny. I enjoy Victim of changes, Tyrant and Genocide. There's nothing about the rest of the album that at least makes me tap my foot, it's so bland. Even Rocka rolla sounds cooler to me.
My favorite albums: Screaming for vengeance, Defenders of the faith, Hell bend for leather, Painkiller, British steel, Sin after sin. Some of the good songs: Tyrant, Sinner, Exciter, Hell bent for leather, Before the dawn, Living after midnight, Heading out the highway, Electric eye, Take these chains, The Sentinel, Some heads are gonna roll, Ram it down, Painkiller, Worth fighting for, Future of mankind... I haven't heard the albums with Ripper, although I've seen the live DVD, and enjoyed every second of it.
I'll never forget July the 1st 2008. That was the day I was supposed to see Judas Priest live. I bought the ticket in the late december and waited for six months to see my first big heavy metal concert. However, only a couple of hours before the planned time for show to start, we found out that Glen Tipton got sick and was taken to England to have an operation done. I felt sorry for Glen, but I was so desperate - the show I've waited to see for so long got canceled on the date of the gig. I though I'll remember July the 1st as one of the worst dates of my life, but thankfully on that date one year later, I got to see Dream Theater live. :biggrin:
How on earth is Dreamer Deceiver bland?
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My thoughts on Judas Priest: "Meh."
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Top 5 bands for me definitely. Discovering all their album in my late teens was pure bliss. An amazing, amazing band. Fav albums....let's see;
1. Jugulator
2. Painkiller
3. Defenders of the Faith
4. Ram it Down
5. Sin After Sin
6. Turbo (you read that right)
7. Stained Class
IMO, British Steel, Screaming for Vengeance and Sad Wings of Destiny are the overrated albums by Priest. All good records, but don't do so much for me like the ones on my list. I know these are peculiar opinions, but hey.
Although, Dreamer Deceiver is one of their best songs by far.
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WEEEEE AAAARRRREEEE LOOOOOOOOSSSSSSTTTTT AAAAABOOOOOOOVEEEEEE
BUUUUUUUUT IIIIIIIIF YOOOOOOOUUUUUUU THHHHIIIIIIIINK
YOOOOOOOUUUUUU CAAAAAAAAN FIIIIIIIIIND A WAAAAAAAAAAAAY
YOOOOOOOUUUUUUU CAAAAAAAN SUUUUUUUREEEELLLYYYYY TRRRRRRRYYYYYYY
*Epic as fuck guitar solo*
>My face: (https://www.tomys.com.ar/web_images/awesome_face_bigger.png)
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That really is an epic song, Glen's solo is orgasmic. Rob....well he is just Rob!
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Big fan here, very hard to pick a fave album but probably same general album ranking as Seventh Son. Tipton has played some all-time-great solos and Halford's screams in the '70s . . . :omg:
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How on earth is Dreamer Deceiver bland?
Because I find it bland. Nothing about it attracts me.
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Big fan here, very hard to pick a fave album but probably same general album ranking as Seventh Son. Tipton has played some all-time-great solos and Halford's screams in the '70s . . . :omg:
Glenn is criminally underrated as a guitar player. He does not just play a solo, he writes a song within the song. One of the best guitar soloists of all time. His work is so damn memorable. Check out;
Dreamer Deceiver
Touch of Evil
Beyond the Realms of Death
Here Come the Tears
Close to You
Heavy Metal
All Guns Blazing
Prisoner of Your Eyes
Tasty, tasty player.
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wolfking, you have Turbo above Stained Class, British Steel, Screaming for Vengeance and Sad Wings of Destiny? I am literally at a loss for words. :eek :eek
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I don't have any priest albums, but I do have a small collection of songs (Painkiller, Hellion/Electric Eye, and Breaking the Law). I'm checking out the specific songs people have mentioned in this thread. Priest is pretty good from what I've heard, so I'll figure out which album I want to start with from those songs. I definitely understand how they influenced Maiden.
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Les Binks was the fucking Man.
Unleashed in the East
Sad Wings of Destiny
Stained Class
Sin After Sin
Screaming For Vengeance
Defenders of the Faith
Rocka Rolla
Point of Entry
British Steele
Hell Bent For Leather
Everything else
(https://Everything else)
Rocka Rolla was a much better album than people give credit. Aside from Run of the Mill, a masterpiece in my opinion, Winter/Deep Freeze/Winter Retreat is fantastic, as is Dying to Meet you/Hero Hero. Plus, the flow of all the short songs gives the album great continuity.
And howabout some pretty rare video:
Exciter 1978 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqFkUPv0WCY)
White Heat, Red Hot 1978 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOEwSuDGj_4)
Beyond the Realms of Death 1978 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06GuK1aFxQo)
Diamonds and Rust 1978 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhRpEXOtKbI)
Starbreaker 1978 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mqAIqQ8FEk)
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Oh yeah. Stained Class is a wicked album as well.
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I do like Judas Priest, but I've never been crazy about them. I actually never got any of the Ripper albums, or both of the latest Halford/Priest ones..
They were really stuck with a sub par drummer, Dave Holland, for so long. I feel it really held them back. The impact of Scott Travis on Painkiller proves it. (I've often wondered what Travis could do with Iron Maiden..)
I took these:
Providence Civic Center
June 4, 1986
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They were really stuck with a sub par drummer, Dave Holland, for so long. I feel it really held them back. The impact of Scott Travis on Painkiller proves it. (I've often wondered what Travis could do with Iron Maiden..)
Firing Les Binks to replace him with Dave Holland was quite possibly the worst personnel move in rock history.
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Which one was the pedophile? Anyway, I owned all of Priest's albums for many years and just got rid of them last year because I never actually listened to more than a couple. (Painkiller and Sceaming for Vengeance) I saw the 'Remasters Box Set' and scooped it up. I liked to collect things and I really liked that box but I just didn't need it anymore. Judas Priest has many great songs but they also have alot of crap songs. Something I was proud of about the box is I had Killing Machine :metal I didn't really like it though :lol And one more thing: Iron Maiden > Judas Priest :P
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I really like Judas Priest but sadly have not listened to them very much. British Steel is probably my favorite album.
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How on earth is Dreamer Deceiver bland?
Because I find it bland. Nothing about it attracts me.
This is like calling Octavarium (The song) bland, it boggles the mind :|
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Which one was the pedophile?
None of them. Dave Holland is an alleged rapist.
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Which one was the pedophile?
None of them. Dave Holland is an alleged rapist.
...umm..of children..no?
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Which one was the pedophile?
None of them. Dave Holland is an alleged rapist.
...umm..of children..no?
Only in California. Dude was 17.
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Which one was the pedophile?
None of them. Dave Holland is an alleged rapist.
...umm..of children..no?
I've heard that before too. Listened to Point of Entry last week.
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I agree with whoever said that Iron Maiden is better than Judas Priest, but I think that Rob is a better singer. I don't really need to explain that in this thread, I'd think, as one can listen to any old album and hear why (not taking anything away from Bruce though).
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Yeah, I think Rob is clearly a better singer. But, I still prefer Bruce though, and Iron Maiden has been more consistent throughout their career, imo.
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Yeah, I think Rob is clearly a better singer. But, I still prefer Bruce though, and Iron Maiden has been more consistent throughout their career, imo.
I agree with this. I should've said more in my post, because I also like Bruce better.
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Maiden is my all time favorite band, so I'm definitely not offended by that.
And Maiden does have a much stronger discography. I mean, I legitimately enjoy 11 of their 14 albums, that says quite a bit, don't you think?
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I've always though Point Of Entry was very weak. After Heading Out To the Highway and Desert Plains, I really don't remember anything else off of it.
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Maiden is my all time favorite band, so I'm definitely not offended by that.
And Maiden does have a much stronger discography. I mean, I legitimately enjoy 11 of their 14 albums, that says quite a bit, don't you think?
Yes. I've never heard a Maiden album I don't like. It's hard for me to not like an album by a band that I love, hence my love for St. Anger by Metallica.
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I've always though Point Of Entry was very weak. After Heading Out To the Highway and Desert Plains, I really don't remember anything else off of it.
Solar Angels is a great song.
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There's no hiding the fact that Priest is my favorite band ever. From the bald head to the head-voice screams, I've got the Halford thing down to a T. In fact, I've been meaning to start a Priest tribute for some time, but it always falls through.
I'm a huge fan of Ripper of course, and am proud to be buddies with him.
As far as albums go, Sad Wings, Stained Class, Defenders and Painkiller take the cake.
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Yep, I was gonna mention "Solar Angels," too. Good call there, El Barto. :tup :tup But I do agree that most of the rest of POE is pretty weak. "Hot Rockin'?" No thanks.
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Sin After Sin needs more love imo
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Point Of Entry was a weak follow-up to British Steel. But they remedied that with Screaming For Vengeance :2metal:
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Sin After Sin needs more love imo
That record lags a bit in the middle, but the first few and last two songs are all terrific.
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Priest is awesome...fan since seeing them on the Hell Bent tour..
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Point Of Entry was a weak follow-up to British Steel. But they remedied that with Screaming For Vengeance :2metal:
British Steel doesn't do a whole lot for me, either. A couple of great songs and a lot of crap.
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I've always though Point Of Entry was very weak. After Heading Out To the Highway and Desert Plains, I really don't remember anything else off of it.
It is but it's one of thise cd's that I haven't listened to in ages so it was fun to hear.
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I really like Judas Priest but sadly have not listened to them very much. British Steel is probably my favorite album.
I'm revising my opinion from earlier.... Screaming For Vengeance is the best them.
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And Maiden does have a much stronger discography. I mean, I legitimately enjoy 11 of their 14 albums, that says quite a bit, don't you think?
I enjoy 12. Best band ever.
I've always though Point Of Entry was very weak. After Heading Out To the Highway and Desert Plains, I really don't remember anything else off of it.
Point Of Entry is an awkward album. It's listenable, entertaining all the way through, and it contains some really catchy bits. However, only a couple of songs work on their own, which is strange. My favorites: the first three, All the way, and maybe Solar angels.
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wolfking, you have Turbo above Stained Class, British Steel, Screaming for Vengeance and Sad Wings of Destiny? I am literally at a loss for words. :eek :eek
Okay, maybe I'd swap Turbo beneath Stained Class. I just really enjoyed Turbo, definite sellout but a fun album with some great grooves, leads and melodies. Reckless and Hot For Love are killer.
All Priest album though are stellar. Point of Entry is a great one also.
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Point Of Entry was a weak follow-up to British Steel. But they remedied that with Screaming For Vengeance :2metal:
British Steel doesn't do a whole lot for me, either. A couple of great songs and a lot of crap.
I agree with this. I like the heavier tunes like Rapid Fire, Grinder, and Steeler but the rest is pretty meh.
IMO, British Steel is the most overrated JP album and Killing Machine & Ram it Down are the most underrated. Oh, and Demolition is an abomination.
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BLOOD SUCKERS. HOW CAN THEY SLEEP AT NIGHT?! BLOOD SUCKERS. NOTHING BUT PARASITES!
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So, is it a universal consensus that Unleashed In The East is the greatest live album ever?
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So, is it a universal consensus that Unleashed In The East is the greatest live album ever?
Yup
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I raise you Anesthetize.
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I raise you Anesthetize.
But its not Unleashed In the East :|
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I re-raise you Rock in Rio.
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I re-raise you Rock in Rio.
I love Maiden more than Priest, but its still not Unleashed In the East.
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Damn. I guess I have to check this one out then.
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So, is it a universal consensus that Unleashed In The East is the greatest live album ever?
Yup
I'd probably have to rate it as such. If there's one I could consider ranking higher it'd be Live at Leeds, but I honestly think Unleashed is better.
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Halford's performance on Victim of Changes is just.... orgasmic.
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So, is it a universal consensus that Unleashed In The East is the greatest live album ever?
Probably not universal, but a lot of people probably think that. It is definitely a hard one to beat.
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It is one of the tops...I also love Halford's Live Insurrection just for the sheer mass of tracks covered!
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So, is it a universal consensus that Unleashed In The East is the greatest live album ever?
It's my second favourite live album of all time, right after UFO's Strangers In The Night.
I'm quite fond of Point of Entry too. I think I have a soft spot for it as it was my first Priest album way back in 1981.
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Unleashed is great, but a shame it was so touched up in the studio. Priest Live was quite good if your into the eighties stuff. 98 Meltdown is superb also. The best version of Diamonds and Rust is on that, Ripper slays.
Too bad Priest never released an album of the Painkiller tour.
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I dunno, I can't get into the Ripper stuff. I mean, like Blaze-era Iron Maiden and he and Ripper are in a similar boat (Both taking over shoes that are nearly impossible to fill). I just can't do it with Ripper :/
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Jugulator kicks ass. And Live Meltdown proved RIP could do the classics justice.
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Jugulator kicks ass. And Live Meltdown proved RIP could do the classics justice.
Best Priest album IMO. Such a brutal album, who would of though KK and Glen had that in them.
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There's a survivor going on that could use some more voters; particularly now that there's a tie. Still in the early stages of the Rocka Rolla round.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=15151.0
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Les Binks was the fucking Man.
Unleashed in the East
Sad Wings of Destiny
Stained Class
Sin After Sin
Screaming For Vengeance
Defenders of the Faith
Rocka Rolla
Point of Entry
British Steele
Hell Bent For Leather
Everything else
(https://Everything else)
Rocka Rolla was a much better album than people give credit. Aside from Run of the Mill, a masterpiece in my opinion, Winter/Deep Freeze/Winter Retreat is fantastic, as is Dying to Meet you/Hero Hero. Plus, the flow of all the short songs gives the album great continuity.
And howabout some pretty rare video:
Exciter 1978 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqFkUPv0WCY)
White Heat, Red Hot 1978 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOEwSuDGj_4)
Beyond the Realms of Death 1978 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06GuK1aFxQo)
Diamonds and Rust 1978 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhRpEXOtKbI)
Starbreaker 1978 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mqAIqQ8FEk)
Pretty Much sums my views up.. long time fan
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The Sinner.. 1982..I remember taping this show off the radio..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s-cBPn31ys&feature=related
I saw them every tour between Hellbent to Defenders..Maiden was the opener.. saw Priest take Maiden ou on the Killers tour with Paul D..
That was the FN :metal
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There's a survivor going on that could use some more voters; particularly now that there's a tie. Still in the early stages of the Rocka Rolla round.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=15151.0
Thanks for the advertisement!
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Anyone pick up the legacy edition of British Steel??
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saw Priest take Maiden ou on the Killers tour with Paul D..
That was the FN :metal
Yes I bet it was. I remember the Vengeance/Beast tour, but was still about 9 months away from going to my first concert.
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I realized this week that, despite Turbo being not that good of an overall record, "Reckless" is a really good song. Somehow, that song had always escaped me, but it is really good. Killer guitar solo, too. :coolio
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I realized this week that, despite Turbo being not that good of an overall record, "Reckless" is a really good song. Somehow, that song had always escaped me, but it is really good. Killer guitar solo, too. :coolio
Turbo is a great record, I like it, especially Reckless.
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Bumping this thread for two reasons.
1. Its JUDAS FUCKING PRIEST
2. The JP survivor is still going and now on Stained Class. Get your asses out there and voting! :tup
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This thread reminded me that I'm seeing Halford open for Ozzy Osbourne for the second time in December. :metal
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2011 TOUR! YEAH!!! :2metal:
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=149337
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KK is the definitive metal god!
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inb4"RobHalfordwouldlikeawordwithyou"
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inb4"RobHalfordwouldlikeawordwithyou"
The whole band are metal gods, not just Halford.
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Is it gonna be a proper Nostradamus tour?
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2011 TOUR! YEAH!!! :2metal:
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=149337
:metal
Also, I've been hearing Jugulator all week expecting something bad at first, but it's a really good, kick-ass, in-your-face Heavy Metal album. Tim Owens does a really good job; I don't understand the hate!
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Is it gonna be a proper Nostradamus tour?
I hope so! They didn't say whether or not it would be though.
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I've read this whole thread and not once have I seen any mention of their best song. Dissident Aggressor!!!
Also, something I don't understand from some people that claim to be into metal that I've talked to over the years that don't appreciate JP. I've never understood it. These guys established a lot of stuff that some people consider cliche' in metal but, it had to be done first by someone/somewhere. The only reason people think that it's cliche' is that JP was copied by so many other bands over the years. These guys deserve any acolades that they can get.
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Slayer's version of "Dissident Aggressor" :heart
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Is it gonna be a proper Nostradamus tour?
If they want poor attendance, they should by all means do it. Let's face it, Priest is gonna draw the crowds in by playing the classics, so they ought to go the rout of playing another whole album again. Screaming for Vengeance would seem to be the logical choice.
I've read this whole thread and not once have I seen any mention of their best song. Dissident Aggressor!!!
That song is definitely very high on my list; it is awesome! :metal
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Is it gonna be a proper Nostradamus tour?
If they want poor attendance, they should by all means do it. Let's face it, Priest is gonna draw the crowds in by playing the classics, so they ought to go the rout of playing another whole album again. Screaming for Vengeance would seem to be the logical choice.
I would love to see them play that whole album. Definitely my favorite album of theirs.
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2011 TOUR! YEAH!!! :2metal:
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=149337
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Also, I've been hearing Jugulator all week expecting something bad at first, but it's a really good, kick-ass, in-your-face Heavy Metal album. Tim Owens does a really good job; I don't understand the hate!
Jugulator is my favourite Priest album. Amazing, amazing, brutal metal. Glenn and Ken really made something special here, simply a perfect album. Who would have thought these two could come with this so late in their career.
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Is it gonna be a proper Nostradamus tour?
If they want poor attendance, they should by all means do it. Let's face it, Priest is gonna draw the crowds in by playing the classics, so they ought to go the rout of playing another whole album again. Screaming for Vengeance would seem to be the logical choice.
I would love to see them play that whole album. Definitely my favorite album of theirs.
RIIIIDING ON THE WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIND :2metal:
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Hey PLM
get off your ass in get involved in my Priest survivor :biggrin:
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I've been voting behind the scenes :P
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I've been voting behind the scenes :P
Oh okay, you're excused then :P
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I think its time I start a priest top 50.
I love Rob, but I doubt he's in shape enough to belt his way through the Screaming for Vengeance album anymore.
The title cut alone would likely put him in a coma. But I would certainly like to be proven wrong.
Dissident Aggressor won a Grammy 34 years after it was recorded. It's cool based on that merit alone.
And yes Jugulator slays babies, fuck all the haters :biggrin:
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I think its time I start a priest top 50.
Definitely! I would follow it.
But I have a hard time with Jugulator, it doesn't sound like Priest at all and the songs aren't good IMHO.
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While I'd love to see Screaming For Vengeance live, 2011 would be the thirtieth anniversary of Point Of Entry, with SFV's thirtirth anniversary being 2012. They did say they'd be touring the world for both years, so I guess it's a possibility that they'd play each album for it's respective thirtieth anniversary year, but I think that's going a little overboard, especially with Rob Halford's voice and just them having to remember that much material. I'd be perfectly happy with them playing a greatest hits set list, because I've never seen them before.
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got my hands on a Stained Class first edition record two days ago!!
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They did the British Steel tour the year before its 30th anniversary, then put out the special edition version of the the record with the live CD/DVD on the actual 30th anniversary, so them doing the same thing with SFV isn't all that unlikely.
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RESPECT THE CLASSICS
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Saw Priest back at MSG on the original SFV tour with this little band called Iron Maiden in the guest opening spot. This concert is still burned in my brain and considering how many brain cells I have depleted since then its amazing I still remember it
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They did the British Steel tour the year before its 30th anniversary, then put out the special edition version of the the record with the live CD/DVD on the actual 30th anniversary, so them doing the same thing with SFV isn't all that unlikely.
Oh, I was unaware of the early tour.
FUCK YEAH 2011 SCREAMING FOR VENGEANCE TOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :2metal:
Saw Priest back at MSG on the original SFV tour with this little band called Iron Maiden in the guest opening spot. This concert is still burned in my brain and considering how many brain cells I have depleted since then its amazing I still remember it
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Well, they can do a Nostradamus tour and play 3-5k seat venues. They can play all of an album and play those same venues. Or, they could take out some other good bands and do a greatest hits show in front of 15k. They always managed to throw in some chestnuts, so a greatest hits show wouldn't bother me. If they're going to do an album, they should probably do Screaming while Rob still stands a chance of pulling it off--the clocks ticking on that one.
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I think Rob still sounds great for his age, considering. He's got a fantastic voice
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Withdrawn he'd sit there
Stare blank into space
No sign of life
Would flicker on his face...
Until one day he smiled
It seemed, as though, with pride
The wind kissed him... Goodbye...
AND THEN HE DIED
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Well, they can do a Nostradamus tour and play 3-5k seat venues. They can play all of an album and play those same venues. Or, they could take out some other good bands and do a greatest hits show in front of 15k. They always managed to throw in some chestnuts, so a greatest hits show wouldn't bother me. If they're going to do an album, they should probably do Screaming while Rob still stands a chance of pulling it off--the clocks ticking on that one.
If somehow they did their U.S. tour to coincide with Iron Maiden's off-months early next year... and they toured together... oh God. :hefdaddy
But realistically speaking, the only two other bands that came to mind are Def Leppard and Van Halen. Not sure what DF's bren up to, and I know VH is supposed to tour next year... so...
I'M ELECTED, ELECTRIC SPYYYYYY
I'M PROTECTED, ELECTRIC EYEEEEEE
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EDIT: Motörhead announced a 2011 U.S. tour a couple weeks ago... what if Priest and Motörhead toured together!!!???
EDIT2: Didn't that already happen with Heaven & Hell and Testament?
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Well, they can do a Nostradamus tour and play 3-5k seat venues. They can play all of an album and play those same venues. Or, they could take out some other good bands and do a greatest hits show in front of 15k. They always managed to throw in some chestnuts, so a greatest hits show wouldn't bother me. If they're going to do an album, they should probably do Screaming while Rob still stands a chance of pulling it off--the clocks ticking on that one.
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EDIT: Motörhead announced a 2011 U.S. tour a couple weeks ago... what if Priest and Motörhead toured together!!!???
EDIT2: Didn't that already happen with Heaven & Hell and Testament?
Twice, actually. 2008 with Sabbath and 1991 with Alice Cooper. Motorhead's also opened for Maiden on these sorts of tours.
I think Rob still sounds great for his age, considering. He's got a fantastic voice
Great is relative. He still sounds great compared to others. Compared to himself, meh. During the British Steel tour, he was definitely showing signs of wear and tear. He doesn't have that top end power anymore, so he was using that scream to replace the high notes he used to sing. Sounds cool, but you could tell that the scream was kind of a fallback plan for what he can't do anymore.
To be perfectly clear, I'll pay my $40 to hear Rob scream whateverthefuck he wants to, anytime. It's still Priest and it's still badass. Still, SFV (the song) might be a bit of a reach for him.
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and 1991 with Alice Cooper.
Operation Rock n Roll :metal :metal
Unfortunately Priest got their ass kicked by Alice. Saw this twice in NJ and MA. Priest was much better on the proper Painkiller tour (Megadeth opened up here.)
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Goddamn you fogeys and you seeing future-classic bands open up for classic bands.
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Goddamn you fogeys and you seeing future-classic bands open up for classic bands.
Whenever I'm feeling old, I just try and find a post from wkiml. Works everytime! :lol
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k...so aside from the classics and newer ones (I own British Steel Hellbent for Leather, Painkiller, Nostradamus, Angel of Retribution, Screaming for Vengeance), where should I go next?
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k...so aside from the classics and newer ones (I own British Steel Hellbent for Leather, Painkiller, Nostradamus, Angel of Retribution, Screaming for Vengeance), where should I go next?
1) DEFENDERS OF THE FAITH
Then:
-Stained Class
-Sad Wings of Destiny
-Ram it Down
-Jugulator
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and 1991 with Alice Cooper.
Operation Rock n Roll :metal :metal
Unfortunately Priest got their ass kicked by Alice. Saw this twice in NJ and MA. Priest was much better on the proper Painkiller tour (Megadeth opened up here.)
I'll have to take your word for it. Memories from that era are spotty, at best. I only found out I was there when working on my concert spreadsheet a couple of weeks ago. I remembered Alice Cooper and Motorhead, and was quite surprised when I learned that it was Priest that headlined. I have no recollection of them whatsoever. Looking over the setlist that's not altogether unsurprising.
That was one of several concerts where I was shocked to learn that I was in attendance. I'm probably going to unearth that I was actually trampled to death at Riverfront back in 79.
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k...so aside from the classics and newer ones (I own British Steel Hellbent for Leather, Painkiller, Nostradamus, Angel of Retribution, Screaming for Vengeance), where should I go next?
1) DEFENDERS OF THE FAITH
Then:
-Stained Class
-Sad Wings of Destiny
-Ram it Down
-Jugulator
Pretty much just avoid Demolition, Point of Entry, and Turbo. The rest are mandatory.
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k...so aside from the classics and newer ones (I own British Steel Hellbent for Leather, Painkiller, Nostradamus, Angel of Retribution, Screaming for Vengeance), where should I go next?
1) DEFENDERS OF THE FAITH
Then:
-Stained Class
-Sad Wings of Destiny
-Ram it Down
-Jugulator
Pretty much just avoid Demolition, Point of Entry, and Turbo. The rest are mandatory.
I wouldn't say avoid them, but maybe get these last. IMO all three of those are good albums with something to offer.
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and 1991 with Alice Cooper.
Operation Rock n Roll :metal :metal
Unfortunately Priest got their ass kicked by Alice. Saw this twice in NJ and MA. Priest was much better on the proper Painkiller tour (Megadeth opened up here.)
I'll have to take your word for it. Memories from that era are spotty, at best. I only found out I was there when working on my concert spreadsheet a couple of weeks ago. I remembered Alice Cooper and Motorhead, and was quite surprised when I learned that it was Priest that headlined. I have no recollection of them whatsoever. Looking over the setlist that's not altogether unsurprising.
Yeah, Priest toured Painkiller proper the winter of 90/91. In Worcester, Megadeth & Testament opened. That summer they put together Op RnR and although Priest headlined, they played a shorter set. Alice was touring Hey Stoopid, and unfortunately that was the extent for him for that vastly underrated album. Alice had a great band for that tour.....Vinnie Moore, Stef Burns, Greg Smith, Eric Singer, & Derek Sherinian.
Don't forget Metal Church and Dangerous Touys also played..
I loved Mike Howe era Metal Church.
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and 1991 with Alice Cooper.
Operation Rock n Roll :metal :metal
Unfortunately Priest got their ass kicked by Alice. Saw this twice in NJ and MA. Priest was much better on the proper Painkiller tour (Megadeth opened up here.)
I'll have to take your word for it. Memories from that era are spotty, at best. I only found out I was there when working on my concert spreadsheet a couple of weeks ago. I remembered Alice Cooper and Motorhead, and was quite surprised when I learned that it was Priest that headlined. I have no recollection of them whatsoever. Looking over the setlist that's not altogether unsurprising.
Yeah, Priest toured Painkiller proper the winter of 90/91. In Worcester, Megadeth & Testament opened. That summer they put together Op RnR and although Priest headlined, they played a shorter set. Alice was touring Hey Stoopid, and unfortunately that was the extent for him for that vastly underrated album. Alice had a great band for that tour.....Vinnie Moore, Stef Burns, Greg Smith, Eric Singer, & Derek Sherinian.
Don't forget Metal Church and Dangerous Touys also played..
I loved Mike Howe era Metal Church.
That's an amazing lineup with Alice. WOuld have loved to see Vinnie play some Alice tunes.
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Vinnie's done some great work with UFO. More Rolling Stones than shredding. It's amazing how mature his playing is and he really fits in nicely with the UFO fogeys.
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Vinnie's done some great work with UFO. More Rolling Stones than shredding. It's amazing how mature his playing is and he really fits in nicely with the UFO fogeys.
I really enjoy You Are Here and The Visitor. Monkey Puzzle is pretty good too but I prefer the other two. Great rock songs with amazing guitar playing!!
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Goddamn you fogeys and you seeing future-classic bands open up for classic bands.
Whenever I'm feeling old, I just try and find a post from wkiml. Works everytime! :lol
Thanks TAC.. :loser:
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Goddamn you fogeys and you seeing future-classic bands open up for classic bands.
Whenever I'm feeling old, I just try and find a post from wkiml. Works everytime! :lol
Thanks TAC.. :loser:
:lol
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Good news: Judas Priest is confirmed as co-headliners of the High Voltage Festival (along with Dream Theater)
Bad news: This will be Judas Priest's last world tour, and is fittingly called the Epitaph Tour
https://www.thrashhits.com/2010/12/high-voltage-announce-dream-theater-and-judas-priest-as-headliners-and-judas-priest-decide-to-call-it-a-day/
https://www.metalstorm.net/events/news_comments.php?news_id=12429
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We started discussing this in the top 50 thread, but obviously it belongs here more.
Yes I'm sad. but life will go on.
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The news will make my first time seeing Judas Priest that much more noteworthy. I missed them on the their 2009 tour, and I will most definitely be seeing them on this tour. Maybe even twice depending on ticket prices.
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The news will make my first time seeing Judas Priest that much more noteworthy. I missed them on the their 2009 tour, and I will most definitely be seeing them on this tour. Maybe even twice depending on ticket prices.
Exactly this.
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THE METAL GODS!
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Watched Rising in the East again last night. Halford is god. Sad to hear that they are wrapping it all up but I'll make sure not to miss them on their farewell tour and go fuckin nuts.
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Watched Rising in the East again last night. Halford is god. Sad to hear that they are wrapping it all up but I'll make sure not to miss them on their farewell tour and go fuckin nuts.
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Edit: Nevermind
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Edit: Nevermind
This isn't the Nirvana thread.
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Edit: Nevermind
This isn't the Nirvana thread.
Is there even a Nirvana thread?
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Edit: Nevermind
This isn't the Nirvana thread.
Is there even a Nirvana thread?
not that I know of. ;)
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:P
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They just announced that they'll play here in Belgrade on July the 1st, and I'm excited as hell. :metal
And yeah, they'll be playing with Whitesnake, but screw them. ;D
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and 1991 with Alice Cooper.
Operation Rock n Roll :metal :metal
Unfortunately Priest got their ass kicked by Alice. Saw this twice in NJ and MA. Priest was much better on the proper Painkiller tour (Megadeth opened up here.)
I'll have to take your word for it. Memories from that era are spotty, at best. I only found out I was there when working on my concert spreadsheet a couple of weeks ago. I remembered Alice Cooper and Motorhead, and was quite surprised when I learned that it was Priest that headlined. I have no recollection of them whatsoever. Looking over the setlist that's not altogether unsurprising.
Yeah, Priest toured Painkiller proper the winter of 90/91. In Worcester, Megadeth & Testament opened. That summer they put together Op RnR and although Priest headlined, they played a shorter set. Alice was touring Hey Stoopid, and unfortunately that was the extent for him for that vastly underrated album. Alice had a great band for that tour.....Vinnie Moore, Stef Burns, Greg Smith, Eric Singer, & Derek Sherinian.
Don't forget Metal Church and Dangerous Touys also played..
I loved Mike Howe era Metal Church.
That's an amazing lineup with Alice. WOuld have loved to see Vinnie play some Alice tunes.
I got tickets to the Alice Hey Stoopid tour in the UK expecting to see one of my guitar heroes, the awesome Vinnie Moore. He didn't do the UK leg and I spent the whole show pissed off and couldn't enjoy it. Thank god for the internet, even if we still don't know who the drummer is.
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Who was the guitarist in place of Vinnie?
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Who was the guitarist in place of Vinnie?
It was Stef Burns and Pete Friesen. Not in the same class at all. Stef is a fine guitarist and performs very well on HS. Vinnie is something else though.
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They just announced that they'll play here in Belgrade on July the 1st, and I'm excited as hell. :metal
And yeah, they'll be playing with Whitesnake, but screw them. ;D
Sweet! I can't wait for the inevitable United States tour. I'm guessing they'll come here in August. Depending on time, location, and ticket price, I may see them twice to make up for not seeing them on their latest tour. Plus I've never seen them before and never will again, with this being their farewell tour and all.
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Painkiller is my second fave album of all time!! Almost every track is just insane. The first 120 seconds of the album is one of my favourite two minutes of music ever :D
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They just announced that they'll play here in Belgrade on July the 1st, and I'm excited as hell. :metal
And yeah, they'll be playing with Whitesnake, but screw them. ;D
Dude, what? Whitesnake rules :metal
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Nah, I'm not a huge fan of Whitesnake. But Judas Priest, on the other side... :hefdaddy
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Oh by the way, forgot to add that my Priest tribute band SAINTS IN HELL is finally coming to fruition. Got a gang of guys to jam with, so hopefully in the upcoming months, I'll have pics and vids to show everyone. This is just something I'm doing on the side in the down-time from my originals band Dorian Gray (our EP is being mixed this week...I'll be sharing tunes with everyone, just click my sig link and add our page on FB and keep in touch).
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Who was the guitarist in place of Vinnie?
It was Stef Burns and Pete Friesen. Not in the same class at all. Stef is a fine guitarist and performs very well on HS. Vinnie is something else though.
Definitely.
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Oh by the way, forgot to add that my Priest tribute band SAINTS IN HELL is finally coming to fruition. Got a gang of guys to jam with, so hopefully in the upcoming months, I'll have pics and vids to show everyone. This is just something I'm doing on the side in the down-time from my originals band Dorian Gray (our EP is being mixed this week...I'll be sharing tunes with everyone, just click my sig link and add our page on FB and keep in touch).
Sounds great mate, look forward to it!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quPliK3eAy4&feature=related Love this cover of Painkiller
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quPliK3eAy4&feature=related Love this cover of Painkiller
Knew what it was gonna be before I clicked it. Amazing version (that whole album is amazing as well).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quPliK3eAy4&feature=related Love this cover of Painkiller
Knew what it was gonna be before I clicked it. Amazing version (that whole album is amazing as well).
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Judas Priest aren't splitting up; just not touring the world again.
https://www.kerrang.com/blog/2011/01/judas_priest_were_not_splittin.html
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Writing new material :metal
Great, I didn't want their last album to be Nostradamus...
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Agreed. They need to do one final record with Tom Allom so as to pretty much come full circle. Since he helped on the last live record, this is a no-brainer. Just a traditional record would be nice. Angel of Retribution was good but I know they've got even better in'em.
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Great, I didn't want their last album to be Nostradamus...
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Maybe they'll be like the Beatles and still release albums just stop touring :D
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=152891
Theres some more info, and also what Rob thinks of Nostradamus.
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Given Rob Halford's sexual orientation, does anyone think it is a coincidence that on their Sin After Sin CD, the song "Raw Deal" is immediately followed by "Here Come the Tears"? :eek :eek
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Pretty far-fetched? :lol
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No more then assuming there's a homo-erotic element to plenty of titles/songs -
Point of Entry, Ram it Down, Jawbreaker...Eat Me Alive?
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Don't forget Turbo Lover.
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Got British Steel on vinyl the other day. SO good. Old-ass pressing without a scratch.
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BUMP
First photo of new lineup:
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aUO8E1rRMGE/TcjNT0AbjvI/AAAAAAAAAlM/QgY6JJhCS8I/s1600/Judas%2BPriest.2011.jpg)
"While some fans may still be in shock at the recent retirement of Judas Priest guitarist K.K. Downing - just six weeks before the start of the band's final world tour – the group itself is getting on with business.
The first photo of the new Priest lineup – including Downing's replacement, 31-year old British guitarist Richie Faulkner – has been released."
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Hmmmmm.....
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Hmmmmm.....
Hmmmmm..... Indeed... what is going on here? was it KK that was needing a break? he said he didnt..
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I would still like to know the full story here; we will probably never know. If KK is truly unable to play (ie health reasons,personal problems), then there is no problem whatsoever with him bowing out. If it's problems within the band, then I'm surprised he wouldn't just persevere for the next year or so for the fans sake.
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If he made this decision last year, as he claims, then there probably wasn't any perseverance required from his POV. The announcement that they were calling it a career was 12/7, so it's possible that he quit before then. Actually it sounds like it could be one of those situations where a key member says they want to not do anything for a while and the rest of the band chooses to carry on without him. Sound familiar?
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Judas Priest Announce Epic Box-Set And Tour
Judas Priest will be releasing a special edition "Classic Albums Collection" and a box-set of CD singles called "Single Cuts" later this year, alongside what could be their last major tour.
According to Blabbermouth, the album box-set will include 17 fully re-mastered albums from their classic lineup years, including the first two Gull records. The singles box-set will include every CBS/Columbia single from between 1977 and 2008, including every b-side, though this one will only be available to order online. Pre-orders will be made available from June.
The band plan to tour North America with Thin Lizzy and Black Label Society in the fall. Fans should get their buying shoes on, because guitarist Glenn Tipton recently told Rolling Stone this could be the last opportunity to see the group live.
"We won't really be doing any more world tours. It takes a big chunk out of your life," said Glenn. "If somebody came along and said, 'Would you do a small string of dates,' we wouldn’t automatically say no to that. But in general, this is probably the last chance you'll get to see Priest live."
Singer Rob Halford added "We're pulling out all the stops. We've built a brand new stage set, we've got all the effects that people love us for — the lasers, the fire, the bombs, the smoke, new costumes, and the bike. It's just a full-on metal extravaganza."
Look out for a local tour date below.
10/12 - AT&T Center - San Antonio, TX
10/14 - Concrete Street Ampitheater - Corpus Christi, TX
10/15 - Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion - Houston, TX
10/16 - Allen Event Center - Allen, TX
10/18 - Ava Ampitheater - Tucson, AZ
10/19 - Cricket Wireless Ampitheater - San Diego, CA
10/21 - AZ State Fair - Phoenix, AZ
10/22 - San Manuel Ampitheater - San Bernardino, CA
10/23 - Hard Rock - Las Vegas, NV
10/25 - Gibson Ampitheater - Los Angeles, CA
10/26 - Oracle Arena - Oakland, CA
10/29 - WaMu Theater - Seattle, WA
10/30 - Rogers Arena - Vancouver, BC
11/01 - Shaw Conference Center - Edmonton, AB
11/02 - Scotiabank Saddledome - Calgary, AB
11/04 - Maverik Center - Salt Lake City, UT
11/05 - 1st Bank Center - Denver, CO
11/12 - The Venue At Horeshoe Casino - Chicago, IL
11/13 - Joe Louis Arena - Detroit, MI
11/18 - Izod Center - East Rutherford, NJ
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_tours/judas_priest_announce_epic_box-set_and_tour.html
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I just saw on blabbermouth that priest played on American Idol tonight, saw the clip.....still in shock lol
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I'll be at the New Jersey show. Black Label Society and Thin Lizzy are awesome and perfect openers.
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I just saw on blabbermouth that priest played on American Idol tonight, saw the clip.....still in shock lol
wut? :eek
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I just saw on blabbermouth that priest played on American Idol tonight, saw the clip.....still in shock lol
wut? :eek
Just a short medley of LAM/BTL with James Durbin - great they were on there though. Unfortunately that disgusting skank Gaga also performed and we had to turn the channel. :|
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Just watched the clip on youtube. Not too bad, not a big fan of that dude, his voice is kinda weak. Great to see him bring some metal exposure into the limelight though.
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I was a bit shocked too when I played the show this morning on my DVR but it made my happy.
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Just watched the clip on youtube. Not too bad, not a big fan of that dude, his voice is kinda weak. Great to see him bring some metal exposure into the limelight though.
Yeah, it always bugs me when guys like Durbin and Lambert get accolades for singing in a high register when guys like Halford, Dickinson, and LaBrie have been doing it longer and better.
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Just watched the clip on youtube. Not too bad, not a big fan of that dude, his voice is kinda weak. Great to see him bring some metal exposure into the limelight though.
Yeah, it always bugs me when guys like Durbin and Lambert get accolades for singing in a high register when guys like Halford, Dickinson, and LaBrie have been doing it longer and better.
Halford, Dickinson, and LaBrie have got accolades for years on being great rock vocalist. Your wrong.
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I watched The American Idol clip today morning on Youtube. I don't know I have strange feelings about this. It's cool from one side that Judas Priest perform it that kinda show, but from the second side...it kinda not cool... Anyway, Halford voice is so different these days, I must say that I think I don't like how he sings on that performance. And, Their new guitarist trying to look like KK, don't you think so?
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Yeah, the similar outfit and the sunglasses makes him appear to be a KK copy. I guess he's there to fill the gap, he performed his solo okay, but different to what KK does, we'll see.
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To be honest I refused to go to Judas Priest show in Poland when i knewed about KK's leaving, not same band no more... I had to pick between Ozzy and Judas cause of financial limits and I choose Ozzy...
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SPOLIERS ABOUT TOUR SETLIST
Setlist:
Opener: Rapid Fire
Metal gods
Heading out
Judas Rising
STARBREAKER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Victim of Changes
NEVER SATISFIED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Diamonds and Rust - acustic
Prophecy
Night Crawler
Turbo Lover
Beyond the realms of Death
The Sentinel
Blood red mother fucking skies
Green Manalishi
Breaking the Law
Painkiller
1st Encore: Hellion / Electric Eye
Hell bent ...
YGATC
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Blood red skies OMG! My fave priest song
this is amazing!
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That is a fucking amazing setlist. Blood Red Skies!!!! Starbreaker!!! My God. Actually makes it more sad that KK isn't there for these songs.
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I love it. :metal
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Wow, nice to see Starbreaker!
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Great setlist!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal
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It's a decent setlist, but the absence of a single Ripper era song is a slap in the face. Rob has said for years that they would eventually do some and when this tour was announced, they said they would do songs from every album. Last I checked, Jugulator and Demolition were Priest albums.
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It's a decent setlist, but the absence of a single Ripper era song is a slap in the face. Rob has said for years that they would eventually do some and when this tour was announced, they said they would do songs from every album. Last I checked, Jugulator and Demolition were Priest albums.
Though the same thing myself. I mean, to just wipe those albums like they never existed is just rude. I believe the press release for the tour also said that they would represent each and every Priest album. I guess Rob just can't cut those songs.
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I can see Rob easily singing "Lost & Found"; still trying to figure out which song would suit him best of Jugulator
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I can see Rob easily singing "Lost & Found"; still trying to figure out which song would suit him best of Jugulator
Well, none really. Maybe Abductors or even Bullet Train. Lost and Found would have been good in that set. They should replace Diamonds with it.
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yeah it would be tough pickings from Jugulator; unless, however, they completely revamp a song. But I don't see that happening
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It'll be cool to hear BRS with a human drummer, and any return of Sentinel is always welcome. The rest of it's pretty meh. Not as good as I had hoped, but not as bad as I had feared. That's a pretty strange tour, though. Corpus Christie? Allen, Tx? I suspect that Allen is to make it easier for the Okies to see the show, but Corpus is just baffling.
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I am hoping for and assuming there will be a live disc released at some point. I always wanted a live version of BRS.
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They played at Sweden Rock Festival last night, and got a 2 out of 5 in the papers. The review said it was uninspired and that it was fitting that they are saying farewell with this tour.
Setlist:
1. Rapid fire
2. Metal gods
3. Heading out to the highway
4. Judas rising
5. Starbreaker
6. Victim of changes
7. Never satisfied
8. Diamonds & rust
9. Prophecy
10. Night crawler
11. Turbo lover
12. Beyond the realms of death
13. The sentinel
14. Blood red skies
15. The green Manalishi
16. Breaking the law
17. Painkiller
18. The hellion/Electric eye
19. Hell bent for leather
20. You’ve got another thing comin
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I haven't seen any vids from the tour yet, but that seems pretty harsh. Probably not even fans of the band.
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Never seen Priest, so I'm happy to see them once.
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KK Downing Chose Golf Over Priest
At last it can be revealed – the real reason guitarist KK Downing retired from Judas Priest. It came down to a choice between heavy metal and golf – and golf won! In an interview with the Wolverhampton Express And Star, Priest bassist Ian Hill says Downing decided to hang up his guitar so he can concentrate on his golf course business in Bridgnorth, Shropshire. Downing's decision to quit the Priest ranks "came as bombshell to all of us", Hill admits.
He continues: "I think Ken had just had enough. He'd got a lot on his plate with his golf course and I think he couldn't spend the time away. This tour's going to be, by the time it's wrapped up, the best part of two years."
"It's a long, long time to be away from things and I just think Ken couldn't handle the time away."
"I'll always be a friend of Ken's and I'm sure he'll always be a friend of mine. Still waters run deep and we've been together as colleagues and friends since we were about five years old. We went through school and everything together."
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/kk_downing_chose_golf_over_priest.html
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I don't know what to say to that really. I guess what's done is now done. KK has worked hard over the years and can do as he wishes I guess.
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"Youve got another putt coming"...
I hate 3 putting.. so frustrating.. LOL
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Saw them live last night...
I'm so grateful for having the opportunity to see them live for the first and only time in my life. Incredible show, two hours long, they truly gave 100%. Highlights: The Sentinel, You've got another thing coming, Never satisfied, Heading out to the highway, Painkiller...
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Using the search forum, I noticed that there isn't an official Priest thread, and there damn well should be, so here it is. It was inspired by reading this post in the most played thread:
Judas Priest - Dreamer Deceiver (Fuck Painkiller, this is JP's best song.)
:metal :metal
While I wouldn't say "Dreamer Deceiver" is my single favorite Priest song, it would be top 5, easily. In fact, I consider that and "Deceiver" to be like two songs that go together. I'll start the ball rolling by listing a top 10 off the top of my head:
1. "Beyond the Realms of Death"
2. "Victim of Changes" (live from UITE)
3. "Sinner"
4. "Dreamer Deceiver"/"Deceiver"
5. "Desert Plains"
6. "Bloodstone"
7. "Exciter"
8. "Tyrant"
9. "The Rage"
10. "A Touch of Evil"
Oh, and "Painkiller" wouldn't even make my top 3 from that CD. :biggrin:
I frikken LOVE Dreamer Deceiver, it's one of those tunes I sing in my head quite a bit. I've always loved Priest, bought British Steel when it first came out... :metal :metal :metal
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Happy 60th birthday Rob Halford, the true Metal God :metal
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Happy 60th birthday Rob Halford, the true Metal God :metal
Lol, I haven't noticed that!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY THEN!!! :metal :metal
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Happy Birthday to my favourite vocalist ever! :)
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Hell bent, hell bent fo' leather!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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I'd be hell-bent for leather, too, if I wasn't sulking under stained class with my sad wings of destiny. I'm busy contemplating the sin after sin committed by the tyrant who waged genocide against my people and conquered the island of domination. Some say I got the raw deal; I think I'm just a victim of change, always at the mercy of a dream deceiver. I've heard the savage invader, known for attacking with white heat from a red hot blade, goes by "The Ripper" and hails from beyond the realms of death. I am in need of an exciter, if I'm to defeat this dissident aggressor and his saints in hell, and claim my rightful procession of diamonds and rust as the one and only starbreaker, or else, I'm to face my epitaph at heroes' end.
Let us prey!
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Awesome setlist (Judas Rising! :metal). Definitely gonna try to grab some seats, even though I can only afford the cheapest ones :|. I'm effing broke
Also, I'm kind of surprised they're not opening with Hellion.
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Judas Rising has the best Metal intro ever :metal
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Picked up the single cd collection of Single Cuts on the weekend for $10. Not a bad little compliation of the hits. The edits of Touch of Evil and Nightcrawler are horrid, but the edit of Turbo Lover is excellent.
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I was thinking about buying the single cd, but decided to wait and buy the entire single cuts box set that comes out in October. Now that looks super cool. Don't think it contains any post Painkiller material though.
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I was thinking about buying the single cd, but decided to wait and buy the entire single cuts box set that comes out in October. Now that looks super cool. Don't think it contains any post Painkiller material though.
No, it doesn't. I was looking into that box last night, and I just don't know if it's worth it. There isn't anything new that's really worth it IMO.
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Judas Rising has the best Metal intro ever :metal
One of my favourite headbanging moments is "Judas is risssiinnggg!!!" :metal
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To paraphrase out own Hef Daddy, whoever wrote the review calling them tired and uninspired is a stupid fucking bitch. Those guys were absolutely on fire tonight. Almost certainly the best show I've seen from them going back 26 years. The new guy is far more entertaining than KK Downing was, and he seems to have inspired the other guys quite a bit. Rob sang everything quite well, with one unfortunate exception.* I definitely encourage people to go see this show. Even if it weren't the last opportunity, it's an onslaught to behold.
*There wasn't one proper Condemned to Hell during The Sentinel. That seemed to be the trade-off for being able to sing everything in the second half, and a reasonable trade-off IMO. I've seen him belt out The Sentinel countless times, but I've never heard him scream Blood Red Skies before.
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Awesome! I can't wait till they come to Aus :D
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Awesome! I can't wait till they come to Aus :D
Yeah, I might go and see them if they come out again. I missed them last time but I saw them in 2001 with Ripper and it was fucking amazing!!
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I've seen these guys in concert quite a few times and it was always pretty entertaining, but admittedly I haven't seen them live in well over a decade.
I've been listening to them a bit lately, mostly their classic stuff
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I've seen these guys in concert quite a few times and it was always pretty entertaining, but admittedly I haven't seen them live in well over a decade.
I've been listening to them a bit lately, mostly their classic stuff
Well, since this will be the very last opportunity, I'd suggest you catch this tour.
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I've seen these guys in concert quite a few times and it was always pretty entertaining, but admittedly I haven't seen them live in well over a decade.
I've been listening to them a bit lately, mostly their classic stuff
Well, since this will be the very last opportunity, I'd suggest you catch this tour.
I'm not sure that's true. I just read last month in Rolling Stone that Rob Halford said this is the "last BIG tour" they're going to do, and that they haven't ruled out continuing on and doing more albums and smaller tours in the future.
In any case, I've seen them quite a few times, so it's not like I'd be missing out on something I've never seen before.
NP: "Victim of Changes" from _Unleashed In The East_
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=168392
What a joke, the complete albums collection without Jugulator and Demolition. :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn
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Hmm interesting, but I can see why they would do that. Halford wasn't on those albums, and they want to release all the stuff with the classic lineup.
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Yes, but it's called "The Complete Albums Collection" which is totally false.
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Yeah, they could have chosen another title.
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I ordered it. I agree that it is horseshit to ignore Ripper, and besides the four tracks on Metalogy, his era has been completely forgotten/ignored. Halford has said that he was willing to sing songs from that era before, but it's never happended and seemingly never will. But back to the set, I got it because it still looks cool and was a very reasonable price. RR and SWOD are supposedly remastered and POE has the European cover- so that is what interested me. Not sure if it's the original's or 2001 remasters though. Regardless, I'm a sucker for these things lol.
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Goddamnit, I just got done buying half of those albums.
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Picked up the Live Vengeance DVD from a used CD/DVD store the other day for extremely cheap. I wasn't even aware it was around until a while back, and I had been meaning to get it, so when I saw it for almost nothing, it was a no-brainer purchase. Looks pretty great so far (I watched about half of it Tuesday night). I love now having a live video of them from their prime, when Halford's voice was top notch. :tup :tup
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What annoyed me about that DVD is that when the Metalogy box came out, that DVD was included and wasn't prevously available. They said the DVD would never be reprinted and you could only find it in the box set. Nevertheless, after everyone brought the box, they released it and now you can buy it super cheap. :\
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I think Live Vengeance is the ultimate live Halford era Priest show. I always wanted this show to be released on cd. All members, especially Halford, is right on the money.
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=168392
What a joke, the complete albums collection without Jugulator and Demolition. :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn
I don't understand the Jugulator hate. I think it's amazing, aggressive, kick-ass, and Ripper does a great vocal work in that album. Come on! Give those albums a chance! :tdwn
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=168392
What a joke, the complete albums collection without Jugulator and Demolition. :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn
I don't understand the Jugulator hate. I think it's amazing, aggressive, kick-ass, and Ripper does a great vocal work in that album. Come on! Give those albums a chance! :tdwn
Jugulator is my fav Priest album, I don't understand why the band completely disregard it.
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Anyone get the Epitath DVD?
It's pretty good, but I really can't stand Richie. He is cocky, arragont and constantly tries to steal the show. He can never just play the song, he adds an uneccesary fill every 2 bars. Granted his solos are pretty good, but he it over the top and the fills just drive me crazy. I miss KK.
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=168392
What a joke, the complete albums collection without Jugulator and Demolition. :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn
I don't understand the Jugulator hate. I think it's amazing, aggressive, kick-ass, and Ripper does a great vocal work in that album. Come on! Give those albums a chance! :tdwn
Jugulator is my fav Priest album, I don't understand why the band completely disregard it.
Halford fanboys are upset that it features a guy who still has a voice and can sing his parts. Jugulator and Painkiller are my favourite Priest albums by far.
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Anyone get the Epitath DVD?
It's pretty good, but I really can't stand Richie. He is cocky, arragont and constantly tries to steal the show. He can never just play the song, he adds an uneccesary fill every 2 bars. Granted his solos are pretty good, but he it over the top and the fills just drive me crazy. I miss KK.
I actually haven't watched any footage of Ritchie yet. Probably wont get this release, just want some new material from the band. Maybe KK will join them for their final farewell final show
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I got the DVD, it's good but the band is obviously tired. It's worth it just for the awesome setlist though (Blood Red Skies!). I don't have a problem with Ritchie, he's obviously having a good time playing with Priest and I didn't feel like he was stealing the show at all.
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What is it about the current generation of metal heads embracing the worst albums a band ever did as their best?
Jugulator is awful. Moronic lyrics that sound like they were written by a first grader, music that's in some weird halfway home between trad metal and thrash metal and doing neither well, some of the worst solos either Tipton or Downing ever put to record-the only highlight is Ripper, and the only song worth mentioning is Cathedral Spires. And since the Halford/Tipton/Downing writing triad wasn't in full time place until the early 80s albums, I know that Tipton and Downing didn't need Halford to write better songs than the utter dreck on Jugulator, so I can only conclude that they wanted to make an album of pseudo-tough guy wanna be thrash metal. The only virtue Jugulator has is that it ISN'T Demolition.
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I don't know, I got more enjoyment from Demolition, but neither are very good. In fact, Jugulator is completely forgettable.
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I got the DVD, it's good but the band is obviously tired. It's worth it just for the awesome setlist though (Blood Red Skies!). I don't have a problem with Ritchie, he's obviously having a good time playing with Priest and I didn't feel like he was stealing the show at all.
^ this, he was pretty awesome when I saw Priest on the Epitaph tour.
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I like about half of Jugulator, all those songs sound much better on the '98 Live Meltdown disc though. Demolition is absolutely fucking horrible.
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I don't know, I got more enjoyment from Demolition, but neither are very good. In fact, Jugulator is completely forgettable.
I've never heard Jugulator but do have Demolition. I can't remember a single thing about it. I'm no Ripper fan, so don't feel a burning need to check 'em out either.
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I don't know, I got more enjoyment from Demolition, but neither are very good. In fact, Jugulator is completely forgettable.
I've never heard Jugulator but do have Demolition. I can't remember a single thing about it. I'm no Ripper fan, so don't feel a burning need to check 'em out either.
I mostly only remember the goofy lyrics.
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I like about half of Jugulator, all those songs sound much better on the '98 Live Meltdown disc though. Demolition is absolutely fucking horrible.
You took the words right out of my mouth. I really thought JP had a chance with Ripper after Jugalator...which IMO is a very under-rated album. (you're going to accuse Jugulator of immature lyrics?? I could go down a *LONG* list of Halford tunes (good ones) with lyrics every bit as laughable). And the feedback Ripper was getting in a live setting was nothing but thumbs up across the board. (I didn't read a single bad review...and most people were writing "Rob Who?") And the '98 Metal Meltdown live album is a fantastic capture of Ripper at the top of his game fronting Priest. I had VERY high hopes moving forward.
But, just like Iron Maiden, it seemed that the rest of the band was almost out to sabotage the new guy. Demolition is VXI's equal. A terrible and completely forgettable album. I guess it would make an easy way to just say, "Sorry it didn't work out...thank you, drive through..."
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What is it about the current generation of metal heads embracing the worst albums a band ever did as their best?
Jugulator is awful. Moronic lyrics that sound like they were written by a first grader, music that's in some weird halfway home between trad metal and thrash metal and doing neither well, some of the worst solos either Tipton or Downing ever put to record-the only highlight is Ripper, and the only song worth mentioning is Cathedral Spires. And since the Halford/Tipton/Downing writing triad wasn't in full time place until the early 80s albums, I know that Tipton and Downing didn't need Halford to write better songs than the utter dreck on Jugulator, so I can only conclude that they wanted to make an album of pseudo-tough guy wanna be thrash metal. The only virtue Jugulator has is that it ISN'T Demolition.
I've been a Priest fan for about 16 years now, so even if that still makes me the newer generation, Jugulator is still my fav cd from them. They did something really different and IMO it worked perfectly. They came back more aggresive and heavier than ever. Just seeing a band like Priest come back and use tunings in C or even B from a whole career of standard tuning, just itches me right. I still think people need to not box bands in and be open minded to new things they come out with.
And you want moronic lyrics;
Thousands of cars and a million guitars
Screaming with power in the air
We¹ve found the place where the decibels race
This army of rock will be there
To ram it down, ram it down
or
Move a little nearer, you know you got to follow your leaders,
'Cause we need you, like you need us for sure.
We're gonna drive ya, we're gonna ride ya, we're gonna get right inside ya,
And if you wanna keep going, just shout out for more!
Put yourself in our hands, so our voices can be heard,
And together we will take on all the world.
or
I'm feeling good tonight
I'm gonna cruise around
Makin' every head turn
Wind up the radio
I'm in the mood for some lovin'
Cause the night time's comin'
Can you feel the beat
Everybody's rockin' in the summer heat
As the sun goes down
Well deep down inside
You feel your tempature rise
or
Lochness confess your terror of the deep
Lochness distress
Malingers what you keep
Lochness protects monstrosity
Lochness confess to me
You could go on and on.
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I would say being a fan of Priest half as long as I have would qualify as new generation to me, yes, but then I'm an old fucker. :lol I just can't see how a band with Screaming For Vengeance and British Steel and Painkiller in their discography-let alone their 70s albums, which are to me just as good to better, and are about as far from the standard Priest set in the 80s stylistically as you can get, so I'm not just someone who thinks Priest began and ended with Screaming For Vengeance-could listen to Jugulator and say "this is their best album."
And yes, Jugulator has their worst lyrics. By far. One reading of the lyrics for Decapitate lowers your IQ by 10 points.
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I have to say, Priest was one of the best bands at evolving and adapting to what was hip in Metal at the time, and for the most part it worked for them. The only time I would say it was a mistake is when they were trying to be all glam with Turbo (and to a lesser extent, Ram It Down). That sort of thing doesn't work for everyone but I think Priest did it gracefully enough that they still sounded like Priest. Plus it produced one of my favorite albums of all time, Painkiller.
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Sometimes that worked for them and sometimes it was a disaster. Occasionally they'd up and change styles when they were really kicking ass before. The trick is to know when it's time to change, and when it's time to keep doing what works. British Steel was a pretty crappy album, but they knew enough to move forward and followed it up with one of their very best. Conversely, Defenders -> Turbo is probably the single worst one album drop-off of all time.
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British Steel was a pretty crappy album, but they knew enough to move forward and followed it up with one of their very best.
I think British Steel was amazing...perhaps a quintessential metal album of its time.....and Point of Entry surely cant be considered "one of their very best".
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Nah, I agree with Barto. British Steel has all the hits, that's true, but it's never held my interest like Desert Plains or Solar Angels did. Though I wouldn't call it one of their best either.
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I still can't get my head around how uneven Point of Entry is. It has Desert Plains, one of my favourites, but it also has ~20 minutes of pure filler.
I enjoy all of their style changes (even Nostradamus and Turbo) except of their Nu-Metal period. I generally like Nu-Metal, but I think that Jugulator and Demolition are to Nu-Metal what St. Anger is to 80's Metallica: a failed attempt to do something that the band just can't (anymore). It's like a parody, but without any humour.
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I have to say, Priest was one of the best bands at evolving and adapting to what was hip in Metal at the time, and for the most part it worked for them. The only time I would say it was a mistake is when they were trying to be all glam with Turbo (and to a lesser extent, Ram It Down). That sort of thing doesn't work for everyone but I think Priest did it gracefully enough that they still sounded like Priest. Plus it produced one of my favorite albums of all time, Painkiller.
Ram it Down is by far their most under-rated album. The title track, Heavy Metal, Hard as Iron, Blood Red Skies, and Come And Get It are all killer tracks.
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I got into Priest through the Metal Works double CD, which was awesome, and I loved all three songs from Point of Entry, so you can imagine my disappointment when I got around to getting all of the studio albums on CD and heard the rest of it. There isn't any other song on it I care about. Don't Go is painfully bland, Hot Rockin' sounds like it was written for 13-year olds who just got into metal, etc. Shall I go on? But those three main songs are all awesome, Desert Plains possibly still being my favorite driving song ever. :metal :metal
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I got into Priest through the Metal Works double CD, which was awesome, and I loved all three songs from Point of Entry, so you can imagine my disappointment when I got around to getting all of the studio albums on CD and heard the rest of it. There isn't any other song on it I care about. Don't Go is painfully bland, Hot Rockin' sounds like it was written for 13-year olds who just got into metal, etc. Shall I go on? But those three main songs are all awesome, Desert Plains possibly still being my favorite driving song ever. :metal :metal
Point of Entry is the British Steel hangover album. Half of it is uninspired filler, written and recorded in a drunken stupor on Ibiza on a high from the commercial success of British Steel. Still, it is still a Priest album and did have some highlights. But so far from "one of their best" it isnt even funny.
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I'll never get the non-love some have for British Steel. Rapid Fire, Metal Gods, The Rage and Steeler are all awesome, and everything in between is good. Even if you are sick of Breaking the Law and Living After Midnight, you still have seven songs, the majority of which kick ass. What's not to love? ???
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I'll never get the non-love some have for British Steel. Rapid Fire, Metal Gods, The Rage and Steeler are all awesome, and everything in between is good. Even if you are sick of Breaking the Law and Living After Midnight, you still have seven songs, the majority of which kick ass. What's not to love? ???
Preaching to the choir here brother! AMEN!
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Rapid Fire and Steeler are the only songs on that album that I stil enjoy, I'd say. The others are pleasant enough to listen to, but ultimately nothing that I would put on on my own.
Incidentally, that's pretty similar for me with Point of Entry. The reason that I rate PoE higher than BS is because the two tracks on there that I really, really like (Solar Angels and Desert Plains) are a little better than Rapid Fire and Steeler. Still, it's not even close to Priest's best - neither album is.
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Are those really Priest lyrics, wolk? I've heard a few Priest albums and like them, but I've never paid that much attention to their lyrics.
But, those are bad. Like, Geoff Tate solo project levels of bad.
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Are those really Priest lyrics, wolk? I've heard a few Priest albums and like them, but I've never paid that much attention to their lyrics.
The best way to enjoy Priest, IMO.
Yes, their lyrics are generally very, very awful.
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Yeah, the only exception that comes to mind immediately is Beyond the Realms of Death - which is, incidentally, also my favourite Priest song. :hat
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Yeah, the only exception that comes to mind immediately is Beyond the Realms of Death - which is, incidentally, also my favourite Priest song. :hat
Les Blinks, best Priest drummer ever.
Are those really Priest lyrics, wolk? I've heard a few Priest albums and like them, but I've never paid that much attention to their lyrics.
But, those are bad. Like, Geoff Tate solo project levels of bad.
Yep, those are real, and they are just randomly picked songs.
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I have to say, Priest was one of the best bands at evolving and adapting to what was hip in Metal at the time, and for the most part it worked for them. The only time I would say it was a mistake is when they were trying to be all glam with Turbo (and to a lesser extent, Ram It Down). That sort of thing doesn't work for everyone but I think Priest did it gracefully enough that they still sounded like Priest. Plus it produced one of my favorite albums of all time, Painkiller.
Ram it Down is by far their most under-rated album. The title track, Heavy Metal, Hard as Iron, Blood Red Skies, and Come And Get It are all killer tracks.
Yea it's got some really good stuff. Some filler too though. It was a step in the right direction after Turbo.
British Steel is good, not one of their best but it's not bad. Certainly a quintessential metal album. Point Of Entry is pretty bland, one of my least favorites.
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Yeah, the only exception that comes to mind immediately is Beyond the Realms of Death - which is, incidentally, also my favourite Priest song. :hat
Probably with you on that one. It's definitely one of their best songs. Kinda hard to pick between it, Dissident Aggressor, Dreamer Deceiver/Deceiver, The Sentinel and Painkiller though for me.
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I would probably rank Ram it Down as top 5, awesome album, very underrated. Don't forget Monsters of Rock and I'm A Rocker.
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Well, now that I got everybody debating the merits of Point of Entry, I'll fess up. I was thinking Screaming and completely forgot about PoE. :lol
Personally, I think Solar Angels is as good as Desert Plains, and they're both great songs. On the Run is also pretty good. Beyond that, it's a slightly better album than BS,but still not great.
And Les Binks was the man. Along with the worst single album drop off, I also credit Priest with the single worst boneheaded personnel move. Can't think of any worse decisions.
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Yeah, going from Blinks to Holland was just a horrid move.
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Yeah, going from Blinks to Holland was just a horrid move.
I think this is probably one of the reasons why I mostly prefer Priest's stuff from the 70's and Painkiller. The drumming was just so much better. However, I will admit that Defenders of the Faith is a kickass album. :metal
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Yeah, going from Blinks to Holland was just a horrid move.
I think this is probably one of the reasons why I mostly prefer Priest's stuff from the 70's and Painkiller. The drumming was just so much better. However, I will admit that Defenders of the Faith is a kickass album. :metal
My introduction to JP; still rank it highly.
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Defenders is still my all time favorite Priest album. That was my first JP album (I had heard their hits on the radio previously...but Freewheel Burning was what made me go out and actually buy an album). Still don't get the love for SFV. No doubt it has some amazing songs. H/EE is still one of the single greatest opening tracks in the history of metal, Bloodstone is awesome, and even though I've heard it a million times I still love YGATC. But I give a gigantic "meh" to tracks like Fever, Devil's Child, and Pain and Pleasure. Take These Chains is pretty good for a single...but gets very old, very fast.
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Btw...I can't believe no one has mentioned Stained Class yet. Probably my favorite 70's album...but Hell Bent is right up there too.
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Btw...I can't believe no one has mentioned Stained Class yet. Probably my favorite 70's album...but Hell Bent is right up there too.
Stained Class is probably my favorite Priest album, though Sad Wings and Painkiller give it a good run for its money.
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Yeah, Stained Class is probably my favorite album. I might occasionally rank SWoD higher, depending on the weather. After those two is a huge drop-off to the next best albums, Screaming and Defenders. The title track and Saints in Hell were two of the songs that turned me from casual listener to die-hard fan. First time I saw them play Realms, circa 89 or so, it really knocked me on my ass.
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Yeah, Stained Class is probably my favorite album. I might occasionally rank SWoD higher, depending on the weather. After those two is a huge drop-off to the next best albums, Screaming and Defenders. The title track and Saints in Hell were two of the songs that turned me from casual listener to die-hard fan. First time I saw them play Realms, circa 89 or so, it really knocked me on my ass.
Switch out Screaming with Painkiller and you've got my Top Four Judas Priest Albums! :metal And yeah, the title track of SC and Saints in Hell are absolutely killer. :tup
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Defenders is top 3 for me too. Stained Class for me was awesome but some songs were hit and miss.
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Stained Class for me was awesome but some songs were hit and miss.
This. I used to love it, but some of the tracks got old rather quickly.
Pretty much all of their eras had some great songs, but if I had to choose a side of Priest I prefer, I'd probably go with the simpler hard rock / heavy metal style from Killing machine up to and including Defenders of the faith. Those albums have some incredible songs indeed. :metal
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Hell bent for bumping :metal
I've been in a Priest mode for a week now, relistening through most of their albums. I watched the Epitaph concert DVD this weekend and I have to say Richie Faulkner is a great fit for the band. He's a great guitarist, seems to have really locked in with the band's playing, and gets the crowd all pumped up. They couldn't have found a better replacement for KK.
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I honestly can't stand Richie. I can't watch that DVD. I find him pretentious and annoying. Glenn needs to knock him back into line.
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Really? Huh, interesting.
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Truly. Can't stand him. And I'm not just saying that as a fan boy.
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I haven't seen it live, but I heard complaints about Faulkner ruining songs with unnecessary fills. When I watched the BluRay, I noticed that you can see Faulkner play a lot of undesired fills, but you barely hear them.
Apparently he is already being knocked back in line.
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I haven't seen it live, but I heard complaints about Faulkner ruining songs with unnecessary fills. When I watched the BluRay, I noticed that you can see Faulkner play a lot of undesired fills, but you barely hear them.
Apparently he is already being knocked back in line.
Really? What do you mean, can you elaborate.
And yes, the fills he put in every single fucking bar of every fucking song drives me crazy. I don't know where he gets off coming in and doing shit like that to legendary songs. I hate him to be honest. I really don't want an album with him, IMO that would just taint the Priest legacy. If anything, Glenn should be the only guitarist on the album.
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I mean that during the production of the BluRay, his annoying fills were mixed at low volume. I conclude that the band is aware that it went out of hand and doesn't want it anymore.
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I heard that the writing is complete for the new album. Hopefully this means they will be entering the studio fairly soon.
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Defenders is still my all time favorite Priest album. That was my first JP album (I had heard their hits on the radio previously...but Freewheel Burning was what made me go out and actually buy an album). Still don't get the love for SFV. No doubt it has some amazing songs. H/EE is still one of the single greatest opening tracks in the history of metal, Bloodstone is awesome, and even though I've heard it a million times I still love YGATC. But I give a gigantic "meh" to tracks like Fever, Devil's Child, and Pain and Pleasure. Take These Chains is pretty good for a single...but gets very old, very fast.
i pretty much agree with everything you wrote here, but what is this "Hell Bent" that you speak of in the next post? It's Killing Machine goddamn it!!! :biggrin:
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I mean that during the production of the BluRay, his annoying fills were mixed at low volume. I conclude that the band is aware that it went out of hand and doesn't want it anymore.
Oh, I thought you read an interview or something. On the DVD, his fills are loud and clear, very annoying.
Defenders is still my all time favorite Priest album. That was my first JP album (I had heard their hits on the radio previously...but Freewheel Burning was what made me go out and actually buy an album). Still don't get the love for SFV. No doubt it has some amazing songs. H/EE is still one of the single greatest opening tracks in the history of metal, Bloodstone is awesome, and even though I've heard it a million times I still love YGATC. But I give a gigantic "meh" to tracks like Fever, Devil's Child, and Pain and Pleasure. Take These Chains is pretty good for a single...but gets very old, very fast.
i pretty much agree with everything you wrote here, but what is this "Hell Bent" that you speak of in the next post? It's Killing Machine goddamn it!!! :biggrin:
It's always Hell Bent to me. :tup
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Been rocking out to Painkiller a lot recently. The only subpar track is Metal Meltdown, and even that one has some cool stuff.
I should get ahold of some of their other albums.
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I don't consider there to be any weak songs on Painkiller. Even the bonus track Living Bad Dreams is good enough to have been on the album.
Nothing really comes close to Painkiller in that style for Priest. If you want to check more, you're next best bet would be Defenders.
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I'll check out soon! And yeah, Living Bad Dreams is :metal
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From there, it's pretty much a mixed bag. Jugulator has more of a modern heavy metal thing going on, which you may like. Other than that, Screaming For Vengeace would be another highlight. Stained Class is classic too.
Oh, and Angel of Retribution is a worthy addition to their catalog too, I really enjoyed that one. Actually, here's a rough order that I would give to a new fan to check out;
Painkiller
Defenders of the Faith
Screaming for Vengeance
Stained Class
Jugulator
Angel of Retribution
Sin After Sin
Sad Wings of Destiny
British Steel
Hell Bent For Leather/Killing Machine
Ram it Down
Turbo
Point of Entry
Rocka Rolla
Demolition
Nostradamus
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Whoa, thanks bro! :metal
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Others will disagree with a lot of my list, but you can't miss with the first few.
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It's been pretty quiet in the Priest camp about the new album. I'm hoping for this year.
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Can Rob even sing anymore? I saw a few recent videos that were pretty brutal, to be honest. (brutal as in bad, not like :metal brutal)
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It's been pretty quiet in the Priest camp about the new album. I'm hoping for this year.
To be honest, with Richie in the band, I don't want a new album. Unless Glenn does all the guitars. I know that's narrow minded of me, but I can't help it.
Can Rob even sing anymore? I saw a few recent videos that were pretty brutal, to be honest. (brutal as in bad, not like :metal brutal)
The last DVD wasn't too bad, he does what he can. His last studio recording (IV) he sounded pretty good, but that was a few years ago now.
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Others will disagree with a lot of my list, but you can't miss with the first few.
It's about right. I'd move Sad Wings up a few notches, and the Top 3 are the same as mine, albeit in a different order.
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heh, I never really gave Painkiller much attention after a couple of spins. Weird how it ranks so high with a lot of people.
I'm a pretty serious JP fan, but I don't own all of their albums, but the ones I do own, I'd rank this way:
Sad Wings of Destiny
Stained Class
Screaming for Vengeance
Hell Bent For Leather/Killing Machine
Sin After Sin
British Steel
Rocka Rolla
Point of Entry
Painkiller
Angel of Retribution
Albums I don't have:
Defenders of the Faith
Jugulator
Ram it Down
Turbo
Demolition
Nostradamus
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I don't quite get the love for Painkiller (the song). I mean, it's good if you are into that kind of crazy speed metal, but otherwise, pass. A Touch of Evil and Night Crawler are the clear standouts on that record, IMO, with One Shot at Glory, Metal Meltdown, and Hell Patrol being the best of the rest.
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Painkiller is one of my favorite songs, but it's not because I'm enamoured with speed metal, it's just a really great song.
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I'd rank the albums I own as follows...
Unleashed In The East
Defenders of the Faith
Screaming for Vengeance
Turbo
Killing Machine
British Steel
Point of Entry
Painkiller
Ram it Down
Sin After Sin
Stained Class
Sad Wings of Destiny
Angel of Retribution
Demolition (I don't remember a thing about this album other than Ripper is on it and I think I have a version with an extra disk or dvd?)
Some of those older albums would be higher up the list with better production. They lacked power but some great songs struggling to get out.
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You should definitely get Jugulator. Sucks that they didn't continue in that direction, that album is fucking badass.
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Can Rob even sing anymore? I saw a few recent videos that were pretty brutal, to be honest. (brutal as in bad, not like :metal brutal)
When I saw them he was great, Painkiller was the highlight of the night. I will agree that he sounded rough near the end of the tour, and why they chose to record the last show of the tour i have no idea. The show I attended he sounded a lot better than the one recorded for the dvd.
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heh, I never really gave Painkiller much attention after a couple of spins. Weird how it ranks so high with a lot of people.
I'm a pretty serious JP fan, but I don't own all of their albums, but the ones I do own, I'd rank this way:
Sad Wings of Destiny
Stained Class
Screaming for Vengeance
Hell Bent For Leather/Killing Machine
Sin After Sin
British Steel
Rocka Rolla
Point of Entry
Painkiller
Angel of Retribution
I might swap Stained and Sad Wings back and forth in the top two, depending on my mood or the day of the week, but otherwise this is real close to my ranking, as well. Studio-wise, that is. Unleashed is the best of them all. I'd also drop BS down a few notches. Great opener and closer, lot of shit in between.
And Defenders is a very good album. When it comes to Priest doing the speed metal thing, I'd take Freewheel Burning over anything from Painkiller (although One Shot at Glory is a very good song).
As for Rob live, he's always used a ton of effects on his vocals, and still does. This and judicious use of screams make him sound just fine, usually. It's definitely a far cry from 1981, but it's rarely bothersome for me. The main exception to that was on the "farewell" tour, where he didn't belt out "condemned to hell!" like he usually did. Really a letdown, since that was always a highlight of an Priest show (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YmNFEb3WWk).
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I haven't listened to too much Priest. I'v listened to Painkiller, Jugulator, and i think that it other then the radio hits. I loved Jugulator, and when i went back and heard Painkiller i realized that Jugulator wasn't as big a change as people seem to say.
I'm wondering, how do AoR and Nostradomus compare to Painkiller? Do they have any of the hard, speed metal-ish elements of Painkiller, and Jugulator?
I also want to add that I think Ripper waa a fantastic replacement. He sounds a lot like Halford and has a very similar range. People seem to blame him for Jugulator and Demolition, but the thing is he didn't write them. Jugulator was written entirely by the 2 guitarists, even the lyrics. Jugulator seems like a kinda natural progression from Painkiller, and Demolition could be considered a step back to earlier stuff.
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You should definitely get Jugulator. Sucks that they didn't continue in that direction, that album is fucking badass.
My fav Priest album. How they came back with something heavier than Painkiller was just wicked.
I don't quite get the love for Painkiller (the song). I mean, it's good if you are into that kind of crazy speed metal, but otherwise, pass. A Touch of Evil and Night Crawler are the clear standouts on that record, IMO, with One Shot at Glory, Metal Meltdown, and Hell Patrol being the best of the rest.
Painkiller is pretty special. One Shot At Glory I'd say could possibly be the best track though, that is one underrated metal song. Rob's and Glenn's little climax at the end is one of the best moments in metal.
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One Shot At Glory I'd say could possibly be the best track though, that is one underrated metal song. Rob's and Glenn's little climax at the end is one of the best moments in metal.
Indeed, the instrumental section of "One Shot at Glory" is awesome, my favourite part of the album.
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I really like Painkiller (and Jugulator). How do the albums before Painkiller compare? I'v heard the commercial hits and I don't find them attractive, they lack the balls of Painkiller. Do the pre-Painkiller albums have any of the heavy, dark, brutal elements of Painkiller? Or are they more like You'v Got Another Thing Comin?
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I really like Painkiller (and Jugulator). How do the albums before Painkiller compare? I'v heard the commercial hits and I don't find them attractive, they lack the balls of Painkiller. Do the pre-Painkiller albums have any of the heavy, dark, brutal elements of Painkiller? Or are they more like You'v Got Another Thing Comin?
No.
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I really like Painkiller (and Jugulator). How do the albums before Painkiller compare? I'v heard the commercial hits and I don't find them attractive, they lack the balls of Painkiller. Do the pre-Painkiller albums have any of the heavy, dark, brutal elements of Painkiller? Or are they more like You'v Got Another Thing Comin?
The majority of them are better, especially most of the 70s albums. Stained Class is probably the one that would be most to your liking. If nothing else, Exciter will kick your ass. :metal
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Exciter would kick God's ass.
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From a prog fan perspective, Sad Wings of Destiny is the best starting point. If you want a more straightforward metal record, I'd recommend British Steel.
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The bit of pre-Painkiller JP i'v heard sounds more like a hard rock band, instead of a metal band. But i should listen to more...
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From a prog fan perspective, Sad Wings of Destiny is the best starting point. If you want a more straightforward metal record, I'd recommend British Steel.
British Steel is so overrated.
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British Steel is so overrated.
It is, but it's a good starting point nonetheless. Just like "Pull me under" is actually a pretty mediocre song by DT standards but a good way to get into the band.
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Like I said earlier, great opener, great closer, nothing but shit in between.
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heh, I never really gave Painkiller much attention after a couple of spins. Weird how it ranks so high with a lot of people.
I'm a pretty serious JP fan, but I don't own all of their albums, but the ones I do own, I'd rank this way:
Sad Wings of Destiny
Stained Class
Screaming for Vengeance
Hell Bent For Leather/Killing Machine
Sin After Sin
British Steel
Rocka Rolla
Point of Entry
Painkiller
Angel of Retribution
I might swap Stained and Sad Wings back and forth in the top two, depending on my mood or the day of the week, but otherwise this is real close to my ranking, as well. Studio-wise, that is. Unleashed is the best of them all. I'd also drop BS down a few notches. Great opener and closer, lot of shit in between.
And Defenders is a very good album. When it comes to Priest doing the speed metal thing, I'd take Freewheel Burning over anything from Painkiller (although One Shot at Glory is a very good song).
As for Rob live, he's always used a ton of effects on his vocals, and still does. This and judicious use of screams make him sound just fine, usually. It's definitely a far cry from 1981, but it's rarely bothersome for me. The main exception to that was on the "farewell" tour, where he didn't belt out "condemned to hell!" like he usually did. Really a letdown, since that was always a highlight of an Priest show (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YmNFEb3WWk).
Halford always impressed me as a vocalist. In his prime he was untouchable. 4 octave natural-voice range, damn near perfect pitch in his live performances. When I saw them with Iron Maiden opening in the front row of the balcony at Orpheum Theater in Boston (around '81 or '82) they were amazingly tight. Glenn and K.K. really had some terrific chemistry.
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Exciter would kick God's ass.
:metal
British Steel is so overrated.
The Rage, Steeler, Rapid Fire, Metal Gods, and Grinder are all great. The two hits are kind of just okay, but United and You Don't Have to Be Old to Be Wise are both solid. I'll never get why some fans think this album isn't very good.
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I've always hated songs that became what a band were most known for when they don't actually reflect what the band does. BS is popular because of LAM and BtL, and they're both pretty cheesy songs. You ask any real Priest fan what the best song on the album is and they'll say Steeler, RF or Grinder. You ask any casual fan and they'll say LAM, and because of that we have to hear the thing every single time they play, without fail. That's why it just bugs me when people (including Priest who toured for it's anniversary (great show, though)), treat it like their masterpiece.
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I agree that Halford is a very impressive vocalist. I have yet to listen to Priests last 2 records, but I'm curious how he is on them. Does he still go as high pitched and scream like he did in the past? And can he pull it off live?
Singers like Halford are very impressive. I'm a fan of Nevermore, and when I went back to listen to a Sanctuary album i couldn't even recognize Warrel Dane. And then I watched an interview with him and was surprised by how deep his voice was. It's crazy for someone with such a deep voice could sing so high. Of course he was younger, and in Nevermore he never screams like that. But he claims he still can.
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"The wait is almost over!
Only a few more hours until we reveal a track from our new album!"
:metal :metal :metal
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I agree that Halford is a very impressive vocalist. I have yet to listen to Priests last 2 records, but I'm curious how he is on them. Does he still go as high pitched and scream like he did in the past? And can he pull it off live?
Singers like Halford are very impressive. I'm a fan of Nevermore, and when I went back to listen to a Sanctuary album i couldn't even recognize Warrel Dane. And then I watched an interview with him and was surprised by how deep his voice was. It's crazy for someone with such a deep voice could sing so high. Of course he was younger, and in Nevermore he never screams like that. But he claims he still can.
Yeah, Warrel Dane seems to only claim that. I remember him tweeting or mentioning in interviews that the Oblivion Conspiracy will have some Sanctuary type vocals and I don't remember anything like that, and the album was quite mediocre too.
As for Halford, don't expect him to do anything spectacular, I guess he's doing OK for his age but man, it's just sad when I hear them live. Should have stuck with Owens.
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Tim Owens was a fuckin amazing singer, and perfect for JP. People are dumb, he sang the old material in such a way that was just amazing, and the two albums of his are really impressive. But not because of people bitching we're gonna end up with another mediocre-shitty album full of music written in an effort to only satisfy these bitching fans, not written for artistic expression.
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Nothing beats those opening lines, 'Whiskey woman don't you know you are driving me insaaaaaaaaaane?' :metal :hefdaddy
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"The wait is almost over!
Only a few more hours until we reveal a track from our new album!"
:metal :metal :metal
Wow, I didn't expect a new song already. I'm intrigued to see what the Priest can deliver.
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Judas Priest - Redeemer of Souls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhkoNQ-7uRw
Worldwide Release.
Due out on:
14th July in the UK
15th July in the US
Friday 11th July:
Australia
Austria
Benelux
Finland
Germany
Ireland
New Zealand
Norway
Sweden
Switzerland
Turkey
Monday 14th July:
Asia (excluding Japan)
Czech Republic
Denmark
France
Greece
Hungary
Poland
Portugal
South Africa
UK
Tuesday 15th July:
Canada
Italy
Latin America
Russia
Spain
USA
Wednesday 16th July:
Japan
(https://judaspriest.com/photo/Redeemer-of-souls/Redeemer-full-1200x692.jpg)
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That was quite good. :tup
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Man, this is soft. Sounds like it belongs on Halford IV.
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Thought they would put out something heavier but this is pretty good. Sounds like classic Priest.
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Just listened to it a second time, it's decent enough I guess. It sounds like a track that would sit in the number 6 or 7 position on an album. Perhaps I'm expecting too much but since this will obviously be their last studio album, I'd thought they would try and make a bold statement. This just seems very safe.
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I agree Kade - stuff they could write in their sleep. Not terrible but hasn't got me optimistic that they're using this to promote a new album.
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The song is good (not a masterpiece, but definitely good!)...the vocals are a bit too "soft"...i'm not talking about screams o high nother or that stuff, i' talking about a bit more "aggressive" tone, maybe some more vocal harmony on the chorus...the production is a bit lame and weak, but still a better work than that nostradamus stuff which i really dislike..
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Sounds like they've been listening to a lot of Mystic Prophecy.
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solid track. But I agree, it does come across as kind of soft and unspectacular. Was hoping for something heavier; but again, this is just the first single.
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That. Was. Shit.
Devoid of anything that says classic Priest. And I like Point of Entry which didn't exactly rock hard.
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The song is good (not a masterpiece, but definitely good!)...the vocals are a bit too "soft"...i'm not talking about screams o high nother or that stuff, i' talking about a bit more "aggressive" tone, maybe some more vocal harmony on the chorus...the production is a bit lame and weak, but still a better work than that nostradamus stuff which i really dislike..
I think that may be my main problem with it too, Rob's vocals. They are just flat. As I said, it sounds like it belongs of Halford IV IMO. I think if Rob delivery was a little more alive and sharp, it would improve it, but the guy is over 60, I spose we should be grateful we have another album.
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Apparentely, there are 18 songs on the album. Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing.
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Apparentely, there are 18 songs on the album. Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing.
I'm on the fence too. Generally speaking though, 18 tracks isn't a good sign.
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Apparentely, there are 18 songs on the album. Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing.
I'm on the fence too. Generally speaking though, 18 tracks isn't a good sign.
That's what I was thinking.
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Start with Rocka Rolla and finish with Fulla Filla.
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18 tracks? not a good sign
I'm confident that this will be their last album. Honestly I was just hoping for a 10 track album with old school heavy metal tracks.
I wasn't overly impressed with Nostradamus or Halford 4; this song sounds like a combination of the two. Hopefully there are better tracks, and with 18, there better be.
Halford just sounds flat on this track, but still sounds good for a guy his age. Looking forward to the samples to get a better idea of this one though.
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Actually it sounds VERY MUCH like classic Priest. And isn't that what people have wanted all along, with all that bitching about Nostradamus and the Ripper stuff? Looks like these 'fans' are finally gonna get what they've been asking for, but the majority of them will still complain. Makes me sick.
The song itself is mediocre. I'v never been a huge fan of classic Priest myself, i like the Ripper stuff. Painkiller was great though. This new songs sounds like it could be off of Painkiller actually, but not as good and with bad production. But I have a feeling the album will be very much like Painkiller overall, which I don't mind because I have been hoping for that. There are a lot of bands who have tried to copy the Painkiller sound (No World Order....GR), it's nice to see the originators coming back and showing them how it's done. I just hope the WHOLE album doesn't sound like Painkiller Pt. 2, but more like Painkiller: Version 10 (a step further and more modern..)
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Actually it sounds VERY MUCH like classic Priest. And isn't that what people have wanted all along, with all that bitching about Nostradamus and the Ripper stuff? Looks like these 'fans' are finally gonna get what they've been asking for, but the majority of them will still complain. Makes me sick.
The song itself is mediocre. I'v never been a huge fan of classic Priest myself, i like the Ripper stuff. Painkiller was great though. This new songs sounds like it could be off of Painkiller actually, but not as good and with bad production. But I have a feeling the album will be very much like Painkiller overall, which I don't mind because I have been hoping for that. There are a lot of bands who have tried to copy the Painkiller sound (No World Order....GR), it's nice to see the originators coming back and showing them how it's done. I just hope the WHOLE album doesn't sound like Painkiller Pt. 2, but more like Painkiller: Version 10 (a step further and more modern..)
I don't care what it sounds like as long as it's good. And people won't complain what it sounds like, they will complain that the song is pretty shit, and you even said it yourself.
I don't hear how this sounds like classic Priest either. I'm totally with Jason on this one.
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Actually it sounds VERY MUCH like classic Priest. And isn't that what people have wanted all along, with all that bitching about Nostradamus and the Ripper stuff? Looks like these 'fans' are finally gonna get what they've been asking for, but the majority of them will still complain. Makes me sick.
The song itself is mediocre. I'v never been a huge fan of classic Priest myself, i like the Ripper stuff. Painkiller was great though. This new songs sounds like it could be off of Painkiller actually, but not as good and with bad production. But I have a feeling the album will be very much like Painkiller overall, which I don't mind because I have been hoping for that. There are a lot of bands who have tried to copy the Painkiller sound (No World Order....GR), it's nice to see the originators coming back and showing them how it's done. I just hope the WHOLE album doesn't sound like Painkiller Pt. 2, but more like Painkiller: Version 10 (a step further and more modern..)
I don't care what it sounds like as long as it's good. And people won't complain what it sounds like, they will complain that the song is pretty shit, and you even said it yourself.
I don't hear how this sounds like classic Priest either. I'm totally with Jason on this one.
No, classic Priest had good songs even when Rob's vocal delivery was more laid back. This is just a not very good song.
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Start with Rocka Rolla and finish with Fulla Filla.
This made me LOL quite hard :rollin
Sadly, this track does very little for me. I guess my tastes have kind of moved on from this kind of thing.
I agree that it sounds a bit too "safe" - I'd even call it "metal by numbers"
I'll probably pick it up at some point in a few months when it's in the $5.00 CD bin at WalMart, next to the Linda Rondstadt's Greatest Hits and Best of The Doobie Brothers
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I like it, although it's a bit too hell patrol-ly. Also on a side note Nostradamus(especially the title track) is starting to grow on me.
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Nostradamus has a lot of good material, it's just held back by too much filler.
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Tracklist from their official website:
DRAGONAUT
REDEEMER OF SOULS
HALLS OF VALHALLA
SWORD OF DAMOCLES
MARCH OF THE DAMNED
DOWN IN FLAMES
HELL & BACK
COLD BLOODED
METALIZER
CROSSFIRE
SECRETS OF THE DEAD
BATTLE CRY
BEGINNING OF THE END
Bonus tracks:
SNAKEBITE
TEARS OF BLOOD
CREATURES
BRING IT ON
NEVER FORGET
Release date July 15th in the US.
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Big long time fan of Priest. Nothing about that song would make me want to come back to it. I passed on Nostradamus but
did buy Angel Of Retribution and think that it stands with some of JP's best albums. Super heavy and enjoyable except for
1 dud song. I'll give the new album a try despite this lackluster song.
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I will say that the song titles sound very cool
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Very cool. I liked Angel of retribution and Nostradamus quite a bit, so there's no reason for me to be skeptical about the new album. I'm looking forward to it.
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The first single usually isn't one of the best songs on the album. This is a definite pre-order for me
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Sameness of Song Titles
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5 bonus tracks?! Bloody hell.
The song titles do sound cool, even if they are a bit generic. Looks like with that number of songs most of the tracks will be short. (Providing all tracks are on one disc)
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It's surprising hearing everyone is disappointed by it. To my ears it sounds a lot like classic Priest. Sounds like something of off Painkiller maybe, just not as great. And Painkiller and the 2 Ripper albums are the only JP I really enjoy. I do wish they took a page out of Maiden's book and evolve their sound a few steps further. Then agains, maybe thats what they tried to do on their last album?..
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The first single usually isn't one of the best songs on the album.
No, it isn't. But the biggest problem here is the way the song sounds, and the reasons why it's below par - lifeless production and cliche songwriting: two things that are likely to be present throughout the whole album.
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Sounds like something of off Painkiller maybe
I must be listening a different song to you.
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It does sound a bit like a watered-down and lifelessly mixed/mastered "Hell Patrol".
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I can hear how the riff is similar to Hell Patrol, but that's as far as it goes.
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I've listened to it again. I think it's a good song, but will never be top tier for the band, or something I would go out of my way to listen to.
But with 18 tracks, I'm fully confident there will be some major ass kickers on this disc
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It might sound similar, stylistically, to classic Priest, but there wasn't much memorable about it. It sounds like it should have been one of those throwaway songs that litter albums like Point of Entry or Ram It Down.
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It's pretty much generic Judas Priest. I've listened to it twice now and both times I drifted away halfway through it. I know you can't judge an album by one song, but if this is representative of the rest of the album, I am wondering if this trip was really necessary.
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I'm predicting this album will sound very much like classic priest. Meaning the new song is a good indicator of what to expect. That's actually kinda cool, because I was hoping for another Painkiller. But I also want to see them doing something new. You can't please everyone. In fact, it seems you can't please ANYone.
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It's pretty much generic Judas Priest. I've listened to it twice now and both times I drifted away halfway through it. I know you can't judge an album by one song, but if this is representative of the rest of the album, I am wondering if this trip was really necessary.
That's what I'm afraid of. If the album is poor, I'd rather them have finished on a note like Nostradamus. Even though it wasn't the best, years later it's would have been a decent finish for the band.
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I'd rather they end their career with this new album that sounds like classic Priest than ending on that very sour note that was the Nostradamus travesty. IMHO of course.
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I liked Nostradamus a lot.
*hides*
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I pulled that cd out the other day and had it in the car and I was surprised that I actually didn't mind it. There's a bit of filler and the ballads are pretty weak, but songs like the title track, Future of Mankind, Alone, Exiled, Persecution, Conquest, Prophecy, PAP, Revelations are pretty fucking killer.
An edited 1 cd version of this album would be quite something.
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I agree it could use some trimming down. The part that falls flat for me the most is everything after Alone until the title track. I like the small acoustic tracks on disc 1, but on the second disc it's just too much.
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You're right, disc 2 drags a lot more than the first.
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Now when I think about it, back when Nostradamus came out, I was absolutely convinced it would be the last Judas Priest album. There was something about Future of mankind that made me think how perfect that song would be as the very last song of theirs.
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I'm predicting this album will sound very much like classic priest. Meaning the new song is a good indicator of what to expect. That's actually kinda cool, because I was hoping for another Painkiller. But I also want to see them doing something new. You can't please everyone. In fact, it seems you can't please ANYone.
Why are you acting like everyone wants to NOT like the new song or album? It's not like we are all sitting around thinking, "Man, I can't wait to listen to the new Priest song so I can not like it!" :lol :lol
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I've decided the song is just flat and disappointing.
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I agree with Wolf, if Nostradamus was edited to one disc, it would have been night and day more enjoyable. Still decent, but I just feel obligated to listen to it once in a while. And when I do, it always seems to drag just a little too long.
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I agree with Wolf, if Nostradamus was edited to one disc, it would have been night and day more enjoyable. Still decent, but I just feel obligated to listen to it once in a while. And when I do, it always seems to drag just a little too long.
As much as I liked the album, I think I have to agree. It probably could have done with the removal and bonus-track-ification of 5 songs.
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And I'm glad they didn't finish their career with Nostradamus.
I'm not expecting to be blown away by this new one, but I'm hoping for something as good as A of R. Im confident it will be very good.
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https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rob-halford-says-new-judas-priest-album-redeemer-of-souls-is-relentless/
On the amount of time it took to put together JUDAS PRIEST's new studio album, "Redeemer Of Souls":
Halford: "Six years has whizzed by, but in that time, of course, we did not only the 'Nostradamus' tour, but the 'Epitaph' tour as well. Then we got into writing mode and made 'Redeemer Of Souls'. So we ain't been hanging out doing nothing."
Tipton: "It's 18 or 19 tracks — I can never remember — so there's a big chunk of work there. But we enjoyed it. It's returning back to the roots of PRIEST. It's classic PRIEST."
Halford: "When we finished 'Epitaph', we just got so buzzed from the fans and the reaction wherever we went. Just to put the 'Epitaph' tour together, which was we tried to put a song from every record into the show, and we were living in the life of JUDAS PRIEST, all those decades, in one show, night after night on the world trek, and I think that really did something to us eternally; as musicians, it should do when you tour. So we realized that this next record really had to be really strong, full of energy, because it's relentless, the tracks are relentless. The energy that you feel off 'Redeemer Of Souls' is replicated in that direction time and time and time again."
On whether they still feel good about "Nostradamus" six years after the album's release:
Tipton: "Yeah. [We're] absolutely proud of the album. Yeah, it was a little bit off the wall, and it wasn't quite a small element of people expected from PRIEST, and maybe they would prefer a more PRIEST classic album. But we've done it now, with 'Redeemer Of Souls', a completely classic PRIEST album, and probably the same element will turn around and say, 'I wish they'd tried something a bit different.' So you can't please all of the people all of the time, or some of the people some of the time, whatever that saying is. But we enjoyed writing ['Nostradamus']… A lot of it was done on keyboards, wasn't it?! We wanted to do a concept album. We've always wanted to do something that was a bit different, and we've never been afraid to experiment and try. You never know how it's gonna turn out, but you've gotta try these things and we're very proud of that album. And the small element, again, that said, 'We want more classic PRIEST,' we listened — you've gotta listen to your fans — and that's what we've done now. And you couldn't have a more classic album than 'Redeemer Of Souls'."
Halford: "If you look at bands of longevity, like PRIEST, you see the trail of music that we've left, I don't think we could have probably made as great a record as we have with 'Redeemer Of Souls' if we didn't have 'Nostradamus' as a reference point. It's a stepping stone to the next place. Every record that we've made, we've tried to give it some distinction, some separate identity. 'British Steel' doesn't sound like 'Stained Class', 'Stained Class' doesn't sound like 'Painkiller', 'Painkiller' doesn't sound like 'Defenders Of The Faith'… So I think everything has its place and has its moments, and we've always fed off these different areas that we've gone into with our metal. So thanks to 'Nostradamus', we've got 'Redeemer Of Souls'."
On why there are five "bonus" tracks that are included on the deluxe version of the album and do not appear on the CD's regular version:
Tipton: "They are all great songs. The reason they are not on the album is because the 13 that we chose are very consistent with what we wanted to do, which was release an undisputable heavy metal album. The others, they are not lightweight by any chance, but they've got a different feel, a different texture. So it's not a case of trying to rip the kids off and trying to get more money for an extra album, it's just a case of, these five tracks seem to deserve to go on their own CD, and that's what we did."
Halford: "We didn't want to drop the energy. From the opening thunder-and-lightning on 'Dragonaut' right up 'till the end of 'Battle Cry', it's just full-on, it's relentless. It's great."
I hope they don't count the title track as 'relentless', or else they are showing their age. Also, says right there that the bonus tracks will be on a seperate cd, so hopefully we will get a couple of longer numbers.
Also, the term 'classic Priest' is being thrown around a lot, but that term to me really doesn't mean anything because Priest has always changed their sound up from album to album. They have always broken new ground and done new things, so 'classic Priest' doesn't say much to me to be honest.
Classic Priest could mean, Sad Wings, Class, Hell Bent, Steel, Vengeance, Defenders, Painkiller, even Angel to a lesser extent,
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Well I guess I will be getting both versions :)
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Nostradamus is dead to me! :censored
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Nostradamus is dead to me! :censored
:lol wut?
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That first track doesn't sound relentless to me.
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That first track doesn't sound relentless to me.
Yeah, I said that above when I read the article. It's anything but relentless.
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New song snippet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNwgt1-w5bM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNwgt1-w5bM) March of the Damned
I like this snippet a lot more than redeemer of souls.
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too short, but sounds good
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https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rob-halford-says-new-judas-priest-album-redeemer-of-souls-is-relentless/
SNIP
I hope they don't count the title track as 'relentless', or else they are showing their age. Also, says right there that the bonus tracks will be on a seperate cd, so hopefully we will get a couple of longer numbers.
Also, the term 'classic Priest' is being thrown around a lot, but that term to me really doesn't mean anything because Priest has always changed their sound up from album to album. They have always broken new ground and done new things, so 'classic Priest' doesn't say much to me to be honest.
Classic Priest could mean, Sad Wings, Class, Hell Bent, Steel, Vengeance, Defenders, Painkiller, even Angel to a lesser extent,
Man, they're terrible at camouflaging their bullshit. That was textbook non-speak. Classic is a meaningless descriptor. The bonus tracks are filler. The Epitaph tour was largely just the same greatest hits tour they've been doing since Rob returned. Nobody ever bags on their own albums. As much a I love the old Priest, they're gone and this interview just further drives that point home.
Think I'll be listening to Stained Class this afternoon.
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Think I'll be listening to Stained Class this afternoon.
..or Saxon. :metal
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New song snippet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNwgt1-w5bM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNwgt1-w5bM) March of the Damned
I like this snippet a lot more than redeemer of souls.
Man, this sounds as flat and uninspired as ROS.
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Album cover:
(https://judaspriest.com/photo/Redeemer-of-souls/Redeemer-of-souls-album-cover-art.jpg)
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Judas Prophecy
Mystic Priest
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Love that cover. :tup
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I find it pretty damn laughable.
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I actually like the first version more where it was a close-up of that dude's face.
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I actually like the first version more where it was a close-up of that dude's face.
Was gonna post this. I thought that might have actually been the final cover. With this cover, I'm not sure if it's fucking stupid or fucking awesome.
Either way, what we have heard so far from the album doesn't really match what they have gone for with the cover IMO.
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I'm gonna go with fucking awesome
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I'm gonna go with fucking awesome
Cause it's Priest, I guess it qualifies.
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This album is going to sound very very much like Painkiller. Mark my words. I guarantee it. And that's not exactly a bad thing :) cuz I was hoping for this. But at the same time I was hoping they would take the Painkiller style and go farther with it, and have longer songs that are somewhat progressive. But a Painkiller Pt 2 ain't that bad and idea.
I know this because everyone wants a new Painkiller. And they have made it clear that with this album they are giving in to the fans' desires and wont be experimenting....
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That would be a great thing, if the title track didn't sound like Painkiller, with 110% of its balls surgically removed.
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This album is going to sound very very much like Painkiller. Mark my words. I guarantee it.
I honestly have no idea how you could come to this conclusion based on what we have heard.
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The Painkiller album itself is pretty much the definition of piercing heavy metal.
From what I've heard so far from the new one, not even close. But like I said, with 18 tracks, I'm hoping to be surprised. I'm confident I will enjoy it overall though.
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The Painkiller album itself is pretty much the definition of piercing heavy metal.
From what I've heard so far from the new one, not even close. But like I said, with 18 tracks, I'm hoping to be surprised. I'm confident I will enjoy it overall though.
Pretty much all of this.
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This album is going to sound very very much like Painkiller. Mark my words. I guarantee it. And that's not exactly a bad thing :) cuz I was hoping for this. But at the same time I was hoping they would take the Painkiller style and go farther with it, and have longer songs that are somewhat progressive. But a Painkiller Pt 2 ain't that bad and idea.
I know this because everyone wants a new Painkiller. And they have made it clear that with this album they are giving in to the fans' desires and wont be experimenting....
(https://cdn.clotureclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/post-15337-Christian-Bale-confused-gif-Hje6.gif)
That would be a great thing, if the title track didn't sound like Painkiller, with 110% of its balls surgically removed.
This. The more I listened to that new song and from what little I've heard off the other new song, the more I realized that this album will almost definitely sound like it'll be a Judas Priest that's been neutered.
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I listened to Redeemer of Souls again last night, and I personally think it's crap. I know that's harsh but I keep coming back to it, and it just leaves me bored and uninterested. Scorpion is right, no balls here whatsoever. Unfortunately, this song sounds like it's made by men exactly their age, and this was one thing I was hoping they would at least be able to avoid.
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"March of the Damned" is streaming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJhm2vZFj2k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJhm2vZFj2k)
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Yikes...please take Bob's thorazine away! Stat!
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March of the Damned reminds me of Ghostbusters.
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All I can think is: auto-pilot. This is Judas Priest on auto-pilot.
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Definitely a snoozefest. Breaking The Law has more balls than this. Living After Midnight has more balls than this.
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All I can think is: auto-pilot. This is Judas Priest on auto-pilot.
Yeah. The song is just ok. Meh
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"March of the Damned" is streaming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJhm2vZFj2k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJhm2vZFj2k)
This is so disappointing. And Richie does a solo and Glen is nowhere to be heard? Get the fuck out of here. Shows how important KK was to this band.
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Been a big fan for many years but that was lifeless IMO. Especially the vocal delivery. I guess all good things eventually come
to an end.
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That's... well, an alright song, but not for Judas Priest. That's not what I was expecting from them. Any song over 3 minutes long from Nostradamus is miles better than this one.
I will still buy the album, but I don't hold much hope for it now.
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That's... well, an alright song, but not for Judas Priest. That's not what I was expecting from them. Any song over 3 minutes long from Nostradamus is miles better than this one.
I will still buy the album, but I don't hold much hope for it now.
Me too. I was hoping to be blown away by the release, but now I'm just hoping that its decent/good.
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I'm actually thinking that Nostradamus might blow this album away.
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Off topic a little bit. Am I the only one who wishes Halford never came back and they had gone further down into a heavier sound like Jugulator? The follow up wasn't nearly as good, true, but the things they've put out since the reunion has been worse than Turbo Lover (the song). And they can't perform any Jugulator song, which are all a blast.
Was there any bad blood between them and Ripper? I haven't dug into that for more info other than the press releases.
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Demolition was horrible, but it wasn't Ripper's fault. I have a hard time believing anyone could listen to Live Meltdown (?) and think that Ripper wasn't up to the task.
So yes, I personally believe that getting back with Rob was a mistake.
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Funny, I couldn't get into Jugulator, but Demolition was some cheesy fun..... Until I got bored of it after like two listens.
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Off topic a little bit. Am I the only one who wishes Halford never came back and they had gone further down into a heavier sound like Jugulator?
Raises hand.
From a business point of view, the reunion needed to happen, but Jugulator was the freshest and one of the most exciting things the band have done. Demolition was good, but falls very short compared to Jugulator.
It seems since Rob returned, the KK and Glen almost seemed forced into writing more in the vein of older Priest. If you listen to Tipton's solo albums, you can hear what they did on Jugulator and Demolition was the directions they actually wanted to go.
I think the reunion affected the music and the creativity of the band. Nostradamus seemed like the band were still doing things differently, but it sounds forced. Jugulator and Demolition sound much more natural and free flowing.
I also wonder if this had anything to do with KK's departure.
Was there any bad blood between them and Ripper? I haven't dug into that for more info other than the press releases.
No. Ripper totally understood and accepted the situation. I'm sure going into it he knew that was going to happen one day. He said they were great friends and Ken and Glen handled the situation like real gentlemen and Priest looked after him on his departing.
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Jugulator is amazing. And Cathedral Spires is an all time top 10 JP song.
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Jugulator is amazing. And Cathedral Spires is an all time top 10 JP song.
Yeah, it's spectacular. The title track isn't far behind for me, brutal!!
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Off topic a little bit. Am I the only one who wishes Halford never came back and they had gone further down into a heavier sound like Jugulator?
Raises hand.
From a business point of view
I get that but I think it's a rather short-lived view on things, I feel. This way you really cut the longevity of the band (and sounding good live) by a lot. When I heard about it I thought they wouldn't make more than 1, maybe 2 albums and a dvd and retire. With Ripper they could have gone until their fingers fell off and still put on shows that sound amazing.
But I guess I underrate the value of Halford's name.
Oh yeah and Hell is Home is a fucking killer song. Them riffs.
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I would have liked to seen Ripper stay, but I knew it wasn't going to happen. Would've been interesting to hear what further material would have come from that incarnation.
I always thought Nostradamus would have been cooler if they hired Ripper to sing along with Halford on the album; kind of like a Allen/Lande thing
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Off topic a little bit. Am I the only one who wishes Halford never came back and they had gone further down into a heavier sound like Jugulator?
Raises hand.
From a business point of view
I get that but I think it's a rather short-lived view on things, I feel. This way you really cut the longevity of the band (and sounding good live) by a lot. When I heard about it I thought they wouldn't make more than 1, maybe 2 albums and a dvd and retire. With Ripper they could have gone until their fingers fell off and still put on shows that sound amazing.
But I guess I underrate the value of Halford's name.
Oh yeah and Hell is Home is a fucking killer song. Them riffs.
That's a very good point, and I think you're spot on.
I always thought Nostradamus would have been cooler if they hired Ripper to sing along with Halford on the album; kind of like a Allen/Lande thing
That's a pretty cool idea.
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In a 2012 interview with Loud magazine, Owens stated about his departure from JUDAS PRIEST: "Well, you know, we all knew that Rob would come back eventually. That was a given. I love the guys in PRIEST, and if there's anything where I look back and wish, 'Oh man I wish it could have worked out,' that would probably be it. I was glad to see Rob come back, [but] I do wish they would play some of my material when they're out there [on the road]."
Read more at https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tim-ripper-owens-rob-halfords-return-to-judas-priest-was-good-for-me/#0gaOt7Pz6CL97dTh.99
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What Ripper song/s do you think Halford could have pulled off or made his own?
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What Ripper song/s do you think Halford could have pulled off or made his own?
None. Probably a reason why they never performed any and pretended the era never existed.
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Listening to Jugulator now. Did Ripper write these lyrics? Sorry, I'm not even through the first song yet and want to turn it off. Ripper has only ever been used well in Iced Earth and cover songs. everything else is embarrassing.
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Charred Walls of the Damn would like to have a word with you.
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Listening to Jugulator now. Did Ripper write these lyrics? Sorry, I'm not even through the first song yet and want to turn it off. Ripper has only ever been used well in Iced Earth and cover songs. everything else is embarrassing.
No. Glen and Ken wrote the whole album themselves. I think Glen wrote the lyrics.
And, that's one of my fav albums your talking about punk. >:( :hat
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Charred Walls of the Damn would like to have a word with you.
We spoke, and although it is better than Jugulator for sure, it's still not that great.
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First Charred Walls album was spectacular, I just listened to it a week or so ago. The second album was just decent.
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Eh, we both get our metal enjoyment in different ways.
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Eh, we both get our metal enjoyment in different ways.
I know it's probably been discussed but what did you think of Heart of a Killer?
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The title track was kinda decent, as was that instrumental of which I forgot the name, but it was about natural disasters, but the album as a whole was really cheesy, and the only memorable thing from it was Ripper constantly saying COHAGAN which got annoying very fast, so memorable in a bad way.
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It was cheesy, but I didn't mind it.
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What Ripper song/s do you think Halford could have pulled off or made his own?
None. Probably a reason why they never performed any and pretended the era never existed.
Maybe Lost & Found, I think that would be a safe one to do.
I think Heart of a Killer is a fantastic disc; I have the two disc special edition with the bonus disc being Winters Bane live. Ripper is awesome on it. I thought both CWOTD were good; but not one song stood out to me as being different from the other. The first was better then the second for sure
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The first CWOTD is so damn good. I should get the second one out, I remember it didn't stick right away so perhaps I didn't give it enough of a chance.
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Yeah, this is gonna suck, is it? :\
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Yeah, this is gonna suck, is it? :\
I can't see how it can recover from these two tracks, but never say never.
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new song snippet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJKpJ5_Cjso (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJKpJ5_Cjso)
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I like it, sounds better than anything I've heard from this album before.
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Nice :tup
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I like it, sounds better than anything I've heard from this album before.
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new song snippet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJKpJ5_Cjso (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJKpJ5_Cjso)
Now we are starting to get somewhere. It's looking like Richie is going to dominate the solos on the album for some reason, which I don't like at all.
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best of the bunch so far for sure
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After the big scream I was expecting a more lively vocal but it seems RH is going to be on autopilot throughout. I'm not asking for Painkiller-esque screaming but a bit of life in the performance would be something.
Still, this sounds more promising than the previous samples.
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After the big scream I was expecting a more lively vocal but it seems RH is going to be on autopilot throughout. I'm not asking for Painkiller-esque screaming but a bit of life in the performance would be something.
Still, this sounds more promising than the previous samples.
I think it may be the production more than halford, it needs a lot more kick to it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=x4qpIy_-VbE
....and we take another step back. Sounds like they were listening to I from Dehumanizer, but only ripped the intro and forgot about the heavy parts.
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rocka rolllaish
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This is shaping up to be really disappointing album so far.
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This is shaping up to be really disappointing album so far.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure its going to be one of those discs for that I will play once in awhile just for the sake of playing it.
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I do quite like the sound of this track. Very old school Priest and sounds a bit livelier in the vocal finally, without being at all heavy.
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halls of Valhalla and crossfire sound promising. March of the dammed has grown on me, I still think Redeemer is meh though.
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This is shaping up to be really disappointing album so far.
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Looks like the release date's been pushed up to July 8th in N. America. Can't wait!
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preview for Dragonaut: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVRrE4VTKvc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVRrE4VTKvc)
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preview for Dragonaut: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVRrE4VTKvc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVRrE4VTKvc)
A bit more promise, but not doing much for me. Weird chorus.
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I really like the sound of this one.
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Picked up the current Rolling Stone issue while waiting in the checkout line while grocery shopping today.
That "Redeemer" song got a 4/5 stars :lol
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That "Redeemer" song got a 4/5 stars :lol
:facepalm:
I can't help but think that some of these tunes that we have heard already would be much better with Owens.
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Picked up the current Rolling Stone issue while waiting in the checkout line while grocery shopping today.
That "Redeemer" song got a 4/5 stars :lol
Did they also say Halford sounds the best he's done since Painkiller too?
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That "Redeemer" song got a 4/5 stars :lol
:facepalm:
I can't help but think that some of these tunes that we have heard already would be much better with Owens.
Or anyone with actual power in their voice.
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That "Redeemer" song got a 4/5 stars :lol
:facepalm:
I can't help but think that some of these tunes that we have heard already would be much better with Owens.
"WHAT'S...MY...NAME?" :metal
Seriously...as blasphemous as it may sound...I think Live Meltdown may be the ultimate JP live album.
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Abductors \m/
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That "Redeemer" song got a 4/5 stars :lol
:facepalm:
I can't help but think that some of these tunes that we have heard already would be much better with Owens.
"WHAT'S...MY...NAME?" :metal
Seriously...as blasphemous as it may sound...I think Live Meltdown may be the ultimate JP live album.
It's my favorite live album by any band
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That "Redeemer" song got a 4/5 stars :lol
:facepalm:
I can't help but think that some of these tunes that we have heard already would be much better with Owens.
Or anyone with actual power in their voice.
Touche.
That "Redeemer" song got a 4/5 stars :lol
:facepalm:
I can't help but think that some of these tunes that we have heard already would be much better with Owens.
"WHAT'S...MY...NAME?" :metal
Seriously...as blasphemous as it may sound...I think Live Meltdown may be the ultimate JP live album.
I'd probably agree. Live in London is prety solid as well, my fav Priest DVD.
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So, played Jugulator today. Wow, its pretty crap. Vocal melodies are non-existent - is that what they were going for? I will just never be a Ripper guy. Even Cathedral Spires wasn't great and I was expecting more after the build up by other people.
So I'll take Rob on autopilot over Ripper's banal melodies.
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So, played Jugulator today. Wow, its pretty crap. Vocal melodies are non-existent - is that what they were going for? I will just never be a Ripper guy. Even Cathedral Spires wasn't great and I was expecting more after the build up by other people.
So I'll take Rob on autopilot over Ripper's banal melodies.
He's great in Iced Earth.
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So, played Jugulator today. Wow, its pretty crap. Vocal melodies are non-existent - is that what they were going for? I will just never be a Ripper guy. Even Cathedral Spires wasn't great and I was expecting more after the build up by other people.
So I'll take Rob on autopilot over Ripper's banal melodies.
Tim had nothing to do with the writing of both the albums he sang on. As Zook he, he's fabulous in IE.
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I think Jugulator was just too much of a change for Priest. This might sound strange, but it may just be too heavy/brutal for a Priest release. It took me by surprise the first time I heard it, and took awhile to warm up to it.
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Even though I love the album, I gotta say while I was blown away when I heard it, I was also a bit shocked, especially by the lyrical content. I think my love for the album was stemmed from me being a 13 year old kid who just got into metal and was learning the guitar. I loved what I had heard of their older material but hearing Priest do Jugulator was just getting the immature 13 year old metal head excited.
I can fully understand how you older Priest fans would't really have appreciated the album.
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The only thing wrong with that album, was not sticking to the original cover. That blown up, pixelated to crap, zoomed in face just looks terrible. The original artwork is one of the best JP album covers ever. I guess I heard that someone at the record company felt that the cover was "too graphic" and they didn't have time to fix it. So they just zoomed in on the face and called it good. :facepalm:
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I never quite understood that either.
(https://www.jugulator.net/jugulator-desktop4.jpg)
BADASS!!
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Anyone knows if the deluxe version of Redeemer of Souls is a digipack/digibook of some sorts? Can't find in on their official site and on Amazon as well, and it's nice to know such things beforehand.
Also, I agree with you guys about the cover, the change was ridiculous, really.
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No info has been released. Glenn did say the bonus tracks will be on a seperate cd, so that's all we know at this stage.
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They couldn't blow that up without pixelating it? How small was the picture to begin with?
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They couldn't blow that up without pixelating it? How small was the picture to begin with?
I always just imagined that it was the smaller record label (they were on CMC and no longer with Columbia/Sony), and the timing. It was 1997...Hi Def was not "the norm" (though among professionals, you would think it would have been) and art had long since stopped being done for large LP covers.
I actually have no idea, I'm just guessing. But I do remember distinctly that the change was *very* last minute. As in...hours before pressing. Still, a really terrible move.
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I wonder why. It's not a violent or offensive cover or anything.
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I wonder why. It's not a violent or offensive cover or anything.
New label. It only takes one sensitive person to say "it's too scary"...and if that person has enough authority...it happens. No matter how dumb it is.
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Big scary metal man.
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I was working in a CD shop at the time, and what I was told by the local rep (which remember, is 3rd hand at this point I think? Combined with being over 15 years ago) was that the fact that he was ascending from a fiery abyss gave the wrong person at the record company the idea that it was supposed to be the devil...
In any event...I'm thinking they thought they could get more stores to carry it (i.e. Walmart) if they didn't have *THE DEVIL* on the cover, and instead just had the face of a metal monster.
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Man some people are just downright stupid.
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I think that full version would have been the coolest album cover of all time. Terrible decision to zoom in.
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Man some people are just downright stupid.
Well...to be fair...Walmart is stupid. If you were in the business of keeping stupid and very powerful people happy...you might be surprised at the decisions you would be forced to make.
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I think that full version would have been the coolest album cover of all time. Terrible decision to zoom in.
The full cover is awesome. Doesn't improve the album any :biggrin:
Hate it when bands cave in to outside pressure. They are supposed to be metal and to give the finger to The Man. They all just talk the talk when it comes to the money.
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I was working in a CD shop at the time, and what I was told by the local rep (which remember, is 3rd hand at this point I think? Combined with being over 15 years ago) was that the fact that he was ascending from a fiery abyss gave the wrong person at the record company the idea that it was supposed to be the devil...
In any event...I'm thinking they thought they could get more stores to carry it (i.e. Walmart) if they didn't have *THE DEVIL* on the cover, and instead just had the face of a metal monster.
Like Wal-Mart would have carried it anyway. Back in the 90s they were removing metal magazines and refusing to stock some albums because they were offensive. Maybe if Priest was still on Columbia, but CMC? No way.
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Back in 2007 Walmart actually carried Iced Earth. And before I officially became a Dream Theater fan in 2006, they had a bunch of their albums. Now they don't have shit. They did finally get rid of all those damn AC/DC CDs, but they still have all the Eagles CDs for some reason still taking up a huge chunk of space. Walmart's CD selection is actually worse than Target's, but Target sells unedited still.
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Really digging Dragonaut!! Easily the best of the songs they've released so far
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Wasn't the Eagles' 2007 album exclusively available at Walmart for an extended period of time? I think that's why their shelves were stock full of Eagles albums for the longest time.
Kind of like when Best Buy had entire shelves of GnR's Chinese Democracy littering the CD racks for almost two and a half years. :lol
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Wasn't the Eagles' 2007 album exclusively available at Walmart for an extended period of time? I think that's why their shelves were stock full of Eagles albums for the longest time.
Kind of like when Best Buy had entire shelves of GnR's Chinese Democracy littering the CD racks for almost two and a half years. :lol
Maybe, but it's been 7 years. No one is going to buy that shit.
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For the record, I kinda picked Walmart out of a hat myself. My real point (and my understanding of the situation) was that the label feared that some stores would not stock the full cover, and felt that they could get more stores to carry the album if they changed it.
I'm not saying it still wasn't really stupid...but I wanted to clarify because I felt like what I said had been misconstrued.
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I think Walmart would be the only store to have that kind of thinking anyway.
Walmart: praise Jesus and Mexico
Target: only the main main mainstream
Kmart: We have some CDs, please shop here
Zia Records: :hat
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Dragonaut in full:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shwOv_J7QGo
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Classic Priest. I'm diggin' it. Sonic quality may be a little suspect though but I'll reserve judgment until I have the physical copy.
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Well that was boring. And what's up with the guitar sound? Ugh.
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Well that was boring. And what's up with the guitar sound? Ugh.
Yeah, the production sounds horrid. And what the fuck is with Richie pretty much being the more dominant guitarist? That pisses me off.
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Glenn is looking old and frail these days. Maybe he's lost it.
And he was such a cool bastard in the 80s.
Getting old is a bitch :biggrin:
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I'm no expert on Priest, so I might be missing something obvious, but how can you tell who plays which solo?
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I'm no expert on Priest, so I might be missing something obvious, but how can you tell who plays which solo?
Completely different styles. KK usually has a more bluesier tone in which he heavily relies on blues pentatonic licks and a lot of whammy bar work. Glenn is technically a much better player with a more sharper tone and a more rigid approach in his playing style. He is a master of diminished and scales which contain flattened 5th or 7th notes, and is excellent when it comes to modes. His licks with flattened or off notes are really unique and as a player, Glenn is one of the most underrated.
Richie sounds quite generic in his soloing approach in what we have heard so far from the new album. Here's a few examples off the top of my head when it comes to popular Priest songs and solos;
A Touch of Evil - Glenn
Painkiller - Main = Glenn, Outro = KK
Jawbreaker - KK
Victim of Changes - Main = KK, Outro = Glenn
Judas Rising - Glenn, KK
Blood Red Skies - KK
The Rage - KK
Beyond the Realms of Death - Main = Glenn, Outro = KK
Dreamer Deceiver - Glenn
Electric Eye - Glenn
Sinner - Main = KK, Back end = Glenn
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Looking at that list, I'd say all of my favourite solos are Glenn's, but I don't find the solos particularly bad on what we've heard of the new album. Yeah, most of it isn't up to Priest's (admittedly) high standards, but I always find the solos to be the best part of the songs, tbh, like on Dragonaut - that solo is pretty cool. Or the one on Redeemer of Souls.
Just to make my list complete, do you know who plays the main solo in Lochness? That's probably one of my favourite Judas Priest solos ever.
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Glenn plays the Lochness main solo, while KK does the outro ad lib. You're right, that is an underrated one.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jq8kwk8288A
Fuck I can't stand Richie. These guitars sound pathetic.
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I'm no expert on Priest, so I might be missing something obvious, but how can you tell who plays which solo?
Completely different styles. KK usually has a more bluesier tone in which he heavily relies on blues pentatonic licks and a lot of whammy bar work. Glenn is technically a much better player with a more sharper tone and a more rigid approach in his playing style. He is a master of diminished and scales which contain flattened 5th or 7th notes, and is excellent when it comes to modes. His licks with flattened or off notes are really unique and as a player, Glenn is one of the most underrated.
Richie sounds quite generic in his soloing approach in what we have heard so far from the new album. Here's a few examples off the top of my head when it comes to popular Priest songs and solos;
A Touch of Evil - Glenn
Painkiller - Main = Glenn, Outro = KK
Jawbreaker - KK
Victim of Changes - Main = KK, Outro = Glenn
Judas Rising - Glenn, KK
Blood Red Skies - KK
The Rage - KK
Beyond the Realms of Death - Main = Glenn, Outro = KK
Dreamer Deceiver - Glenn
Electric Eye - Glenn
Sinner - Main = KK, Back end = Glenn
And on the 80s albums they tended to have the solos listed in the liner notes!
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It's weird, if I remember rightly, some albums did but others didn't. I never understood why that was.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uOvNLA-FuR8
Sounds like a leftover from Nostradamus.
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These can't be the final versions of the song can they? They sound so muddy... Bleh.
I've liked about half the songs/teasers they've released so far. Will probably pick the album up regardless though.
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I kinda liked this one. Probably the second best preview after something-Valhalla for me.
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Judas Priest just announced a fall U.S. tour with Steel Panther. Interesting pairing, but it should be a good show. Here are the dates!
Oct. 01 - Rochester, NY - Main Street Armory
Oct. 03 - Hammond, IN - The Venue at Horseshoe Casino
Oct. 04 - Louisville, KY - Louder Than Life Fest at Champions
Oct. 09 - Brooklyn, NY - Barclays
Oct. 10 - Atlantic City, NJ - Harrah's
Oct. 11 - Mashantucket, CT - MGM Grand Theater at Foxwood's
Oct. 14 - Lowell, MA - Tsongas Center at UMass
Oct. 15 - Allentown, PA - PPL Center
Oct. 17 - East Rutherford, NJ - Izod Center
Oct. 19 - Detroit, MI - Fox Theatre
Oct. 24 - Baltimore, MD - Pier Six Pavilion
Oct. 28 - Duluth, GA - The Arena at Gwinnett Center
Oct. 30 - Hollywood, FL - Hard Rock Live Arena
Nov. 06 - Allen, TX - Allen Event Center
Nov. 07 - Austin, TX - FunFunFun Fest
Nov. 10 - Los Angeles, CA - Club Nokia
Nov. 12 - Phoenix, AZ - Jobing Arena
Nov. 13 - Highland, CA - San Manuel Casino
Nov. 14 - Las Vegas, NV - The Pearl
Nov. 16 - San Jose, CA - City National Civic
Nov. 18 - Salt Lake City, UT - Maverik Center
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That would be a very cool show to see
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The whole album is streaming on iTunes Radio. (https://itunes.apple.com/us/station/first-play-judas-priest-redeemer/idra.887546522)
It sounds much better than the youtube clips they've been releasing! :metal :metal :metal
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Odd bookings. NY to Ind to ken and then back to NY?
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Just listened to the album on itunes. The first half of the album I thought was alright. The second half however I thought was much better. Overall I would give it a 3 and a half out of 5.
Like Nostradamus I think Redeemer would have benefited from being shortened. Well now to wait for the deluxe edition to arrive to hear the rest.
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Overall it's a pretty good album. Favorites so far are March of the Damned, Sword of Damocles, Crossfire, and Beginning of the End.
Agree with ozzy554 that it could have been shortened. Some of the songs just feel like filler and aren't that interesting. Otherwise this could have been their best since Painkiller.
3.5/5
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It seems odd, but I'm not sure I'll even bother. The'll play 4 new songs and a pretty formulaic greatest hits set. They customarily throw in one or two obscure ones, which is what might draw me up there. In a situation such as this I'll often shell out for a ticket for one or two songs that I want to see live, but the fact that Rob can't sing them anymore would make the pretty unappealing. What are they gonna do, finally break out Dreamer Deceiver for the live show?
Heh, maybe whichever Ramone that is that plays drums for them could sing the high parts. :lol
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It's not odd, if for some reason they come to Australia, I don't think I'll bother either, and I have never seen Halford live. I saw Priest in 98, they can't compare to that now, plus with no KK, it makes the decision even easier.
Hang on, didn't they just finish their farewell tour?
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I was at the KISS Farewell tour in '01 :lol
(https://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BODAxMDM4NjkwN15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwOTczNzA2NA@@._V1_SX214_AL_.jpg)
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Yeah, shouldn't be surprised hey? A bit like John Farnham, he had his farewell too like in 2000. :rollin
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Didn't Ozzy have his No More Tours tour in 92?
What edition of the new Priest is everyone getting? Regular or deluxe? I'm gonna get both
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Im getting the deluxe.
Also I hopefully will be seeing them in october, I saw them on the epitaph tour and they were fantastic.
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What edition of the new Priest is everyone getting? Regular or deluxe? I'm gonna get both
If I'm gonna spend my money on this, definitely the deluxe with the bonus tracks. I don't see how anyone would get the standard over the deluxe.
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Yep. Deluxe. I'm the completionist type who always tries to get the most tracks I can from an album in physical format, so I usually got for the deluxe editions of albums and the store-exclusive ones. (ex. Target version of random album has 5 bonus tracks! dur hur hur!)
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Really enjoying Redeemer of Souls
I already like it 5X better then Nostradamus
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Excellent album! Not a weak song on it IMO. Really good guitar work from song to song. It has some variety but still has
all the trademark Priest quality.
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I'm really digging the album, easily their best since Painkiller IMHO.
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Excellent album! Not a weak song on it IMO. Really good guitar work from song to song. It has some variety but still has
all the trademark Priest quality.
This and I must say that this quote is valid for all the songs in the deluxe edition and that is really impressive achievement for 18 songs, 1,5 hour of music! IMO it is really one of the best Judas albums.
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These comments are surprising. I still haven't got mine cause when I went to the shops last weekend they only had teh normal edition. I'll hold out for the deluxe.
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These comments are surprising. I still haven't got mine cause when I went to the shops last weekend they only had teh normal edition. I'll hold out for the deluxe.
Just get both like I did
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These comments are surprising. I still haven't got mine cause when I went to the shops last weekend they only had teh normal edition. I'll hold out for the deluxe.
Just get both like I did
The previews were rubbish and I feared for this but its really good. Not great, but a decent album.
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This is far better than I expected from the previews, and doesn't sound as lifeless as the Youtube clips. It's not a world beating classic, but it's pretty damn solid.
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These comments are surprising. I still haven't got mine cause when I went to the shops last weekend they only had teh normal edition. I'll hold out for the deluxe.
Just get both like I did
Man, I don't see why I should get the regular when I can get the deluxe. I use to do things like this, but these days I find it pretty pointless.
Bands should start putting different bonus tracks on regular editions, then I would buy it. Good way to pull the money.
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I'm 5 songs into this album and all I hear is fucking Richie. There's 2 short Tipton solos and the rest is dominated by the rookie, what the fuck?
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Dude, what do you have against the guy? I mean, yeah, he's no KK, and I've always preferred Glenn as well, and from what I've heard of this album, it's nowhere near the top in terms of solos, but it's not atrocious.
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Glenn has always been the main lead sound of Judas Priest. He handled a lot of the solos than KK, it was never an even split. When KK did solo, there was a lot of purpose and was a great supporter of Glenn.
The amount of mindless soloing from Richie on this record is uncalled for. It's like the band gave the rookie room to flex his muscles and self indulge himself with mindless and average guitar playing that really doesn't deviate between the songs and really add nothing to the songs.
Priest's leads always added to the songs and were there for a reason, it's the opposite here. I just don't understand how Glenn can be the main handler of guitar solos for 16 albums and now some new kid handles solos on every song. There was never an album where KK plays lead on every song.
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First off, I have no problem with any of the solos on this album. Secondly, You're making it sound like Ritchie ran up to Glenn and beaned him upside of the head and said "I'LL TAKE ALL THE SOLOS DON'T MIND IF I DO!" Glenn clearly had no problem with stepping back-I mean, c'mon, he's in his 60s now-and the band had no problem with it either. You frankly seem to hate the guy because he's not K.K.
You really think if Glenn fucking Tipton didn't want to, he'd not take back over being the main lead guitarist? Come on, man.
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I'm not saying it's Richie's fault or his doing in anyway, but I'm just saying the amount of solos he gets is annoying to me, espeically when IMO they are not up to the standard of what we know from Priest. I know Glenn obviously would have told him to take the solos he does, but for me I don't understand this mentallity when Glenn has been the main sound behind most of their material. I know it's probably an age thing for Glenn because some of his solos here are a bit rough, but for me, Richie doesn't sound like Priest.
I don't hate the guy because he's not KK, if you look at some of my fav albums, there's quite a few done without key members of the group, so replacements are an issue for me. Richie made me dislike him for his live work and annoying fills in every single song after every single of every song. He needed to play the songs how they have been played for 30 odd years, adding crap pentatonic fills don't add anything to the old material.
I will come back to this album at a later date when perhaps I'm a bit more open to it.
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So basically this Richie guy is the Janick Gers of Priest?
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So basically this Richie guy is the Janick Gers of Priest?
I guess to an extent, yes. Although I wasn't a fan when Janick came into the band, so I don't know how I would have reacted at the time. Janick has earned his place though although, it's taken a long time and a lot of fans still wish he were kicked out. Richie unfortunately doesn't really have any time to prove anything though.
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I think the biggest issue with Janick is he seems like he's literally there to jump around on stage. Maiden almost never goes "three-deep" with the guitar harmonies live, even though they probably should. I have yet to see them in a situation that requires three guitar players live, so it's kind of like he's just taking up space.
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I think the biggest issue with Janick is he seems like he's literally there to jump around on stage. Maiden almost never goes "three-deep" with the guitar harmonies live, even though they probably should. I have yet to see them in a situation that requires three guitar players live, so it's kind of like he's just taking up space.
Janick still being in the band is just loyalty. They certainly don't need 3 guitarists and I think they know that. They are just in a good steady situation that they can keep Janick around.
Saying that, studio is a different story, Maiden has valued greatly from his songwriting since the reunion, and it's that fact alone I think he is a value to the band.
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So basically this Richie guy is the Janick Gers of Priest?
I guess to an extent, yes. Although I wasn't a fan when Janick came into the band, so I don't know how I would have reacted at the time. Janick has earned his place though although, it's taken a long time and a lot of fans still wish he were kicked out. Richie unfortunately doesn't really have any time to prove anything though.
I remember seeing Janick as guitarist for Gillan. I was disappointed as I really liked Bernie Torme's wild playing. I have to say I've never been a Janick fan. I rather hoped when Adrian left they would get a shredder in but I guess that would have been too obvious, like getting a decent singer in when Bruce left :biggrin:
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I think the biggest issue with Janick is he seems like he's literally there to jump around on stage. Maiden almost never goes "three-deep" with the guitar harmonies live, even though they probably should. I have yet to see them in a situation that requires three guitar players live, so it's kind of like he's just taking up space.
Janick still being in the band is just loyalty. They certainly don't need 3 guitarists and I think they know that. They are just in a good steady situation that they can keep Janick around.
Saying that, studio is a different story, Maiden has valued greatly from his songwriting since the reunion, and it's that fact alone I think he is a value to the band.
Absolutely. And Maiden is a lot about chemistry. I think the kind of guy Jannick is means a lot to Steve and the guys. It's obvious how much Dave really loves playing with him.
I wanted to ask this though..Who is Richie Faulkner, what did he do previously? How did he come to become Priest's new guitarist? He seems a lot younger, no?
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Not much info on Wikipedia though:
"Richard Ian Faulkner (born 1 January 1980), is an English guitarist. In the early stages of his career, he played in bands such as Dirty Deeds, Voodoo Six, Ace Mafia and Lauren Harris' band. On 20 April 2011, he was appointed as the successor of K.K. Downing in heavy metal band Judas Priest."
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Not much info on Wikipedia though:
"Richard Ian Faulkner (born 1 January 1980), is an English guitarist. In the early stages of his career, he played in bands such as Dirty Deeds, Voodoo Six, Ace Mafia and Lauren Harris' band. On 20 April 2011, he was appointed as the successor of K.K. Downing in heavy metal band Judas Priest."
Wasn't he involved in the Christopher Lee ahem "metal" albums?
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1980?? So the guy is 34?
I haven't been into Priest in the last few years, but things like this don't compute to me. I'd be more interested if they had a more Old School guy with them. I feel like there'd be some type of gap in integrity or something. Yeah, it's probably my personal hang up.
But reading Wolf's posts about the soloing, I have no interest in listening to some young guy ripping leads over Priest's music.
Maybe it's a great new album, but I will not buy it until I hear the entire thing on Youtube or something, and frankly, I have no idea when that will happen.
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Not much info on Wikipedia though:
"Richard Ian Faulkner (born 1 January 1980), is an English guitarist. In the early stages of his career, he played in bands such as Dirty Deeds, Voodoo Six, Ace Mafia and Lauren Harris' band. On 20 April 2011, he was appointed as the successor of K.K. Downing in heavy metal band Judas Priest."
Wasn't he involved in the Christopher Lee ahem "metal" albums?
"He has also arranged music for actor Christopher Lee's heavy metal album Charlemagne: The Omens of Death, which was released on 27 May 2013, Lee's 91st birthday."
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1980?? So the guy is 34?
I haven't been into Priest in the last few years, but things like this don't compute to me. I'd be more interested if they had a more Old School guy with them. I feel like there'd be some type of gap in integrity or something. Yeah, it's probably my personal hang up.
But reading Wolf's posts about the soloing, I have no interest in listening to some young guy ripping leads over Priest's music.
Maybe it's a great new album, but I will not buy it until I hear the entire thing on Youtube or something, and frankly, I have no idea when that will happen.
Yeah, pretty much. I guess I have a problem with someone who is a nobody and 30 years younger coming in and pretty much taking over. To me, Priest are shitting on their legacy with him, and IMO this new album sucks big time. I'd like to know what you think if you ever listen.
Also, Richie having no credible background or being involved with anyone worthwhile, how could the band make such decisions on his status within the band? At least Janick played with Ian fuckin' Gillan and Bruce Dickinson beforehand. Priest should have went with Metal Mike or someone of that caliber, now that would have been something.
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I don't think Priest cared about getting anybody bad ass. They got somebody who was adequate for the role and who looked like KK live. That's all they wanted or needed. Chemistry probably factored in, as well. Honestly, aside from that chemistry between the guitarists they've never really cared much about musicianship. And let's be honest here, Priest has never been known for making sound personnel decisions.
And the issue with Janick is that while he might contribute in the studio, his presence live is a detriment to their sound quality. And just as an aside, they were playing Revelations for a while which does require three guitars (might be others, I dunno).
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I don't think Priest cared about getting anybody bad ass. They got somebody who was adequate for the role and who looked like KK live. That's all they wanted or needed. Chemistry probably factored in, as well. Honestly, aside from that chemistry between the guitarists they've never really cared much about musicianship. And let's be honest here, Priest has never been known for making sound personnel decisions.
And the issue with Janick is that while he might contribute in the studio, his presence live is a detriment to their sound quality. And just as an aside, they were playing Revelations for a while which does require three guitars (might be others, I dunno).
I always thought having someone who looks exactly like KK was a little strange.
There are quite a few instances where 3 guitars have been handy; Powerslave, Brave New World, Revelations as you mentioned, and the extra harmonies they added to The Trooper was a nice touch too. Seventh Son probably works well too with the 3 guitars.
I must say though, I think Janick's live playing has improved. i was quite impressed with him on En Vivo.
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And the issue with Janick is that while he might contribute in the studio, his presence live is a detriment to their sound quality. And just as an aside, they were playing Revelations for a while which does require three guitars (might be others, I dunno).
Disagree, I think it really beefs up the guitar sound. They do a good job at spreading out the rhythm playing too, with Adrian taking the low end and Janick and Dave splitting the higher sounding chords. I think it works and makes a heavier sound.
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Personally, I think they should have gotten Mike Orlando.
:neverusethis:
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Priest or Maiden?
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Both. Cut him in half. That way each half will be 50% slower and might actually play something decent.
Oh wait...
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Yeah, not much chance of him playing something different, no matter what you do. If he would in Maiden, Bruce and Steve would kick his fucking ass daily. :lol
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I could see Bruce having a blast teasing him.
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I could see Bruce having a blast teasing him.
yeah, on stage too probably.
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I'd just like to bump this topic purely out of appreciation of Rob Halford and his ridiculously amazing voice :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qENfe5iOJE4
At 63 years old and souning better than he ever has...what a guy :metal :metal :metal
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RH is certainly impressive in that vid but so are the rest of the band members. They are bringin' it at quite a ripe ol' age.
Warms my heart and proves that metal is a state of mind.
Redeemer Of Souls is my #2 album of the year so far. Right up there with the best they have ever done!
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Redeemer of Souls is by far my biggest disappointment of the year.
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Redeemer of Souls is by far my biggest disappointment of the year.
I agree. I gave it like 10 spins and Nostradamus is far superior in my opinion. There were a lot of awesome material on it and I'm even willing to overlook New Beginnings, because really, Redeemer of Souls sounds really uninspired in comparison. The only good thing is the solid digibook, but again, Nostradamus topped it with its hardbook edition.
Also, I must say, Nostradamus really grew on me lately, I mean even more than in previous six years. I've always liked the first disc, but I was kinda meh on Visions - Calm Before the Storm run, but now I only dislike New Beginnings, and that's it. I think it ranks very high in my Priest albums ranking now, and it really surprises me.
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Redeemer of Souls is by far my biggest disappointment of the year.
I agree. I gave it like 10 spins and Nostradamus is far superior in my opinion. There were a lot of awesome material on it and I'm even willing to overlook New Beginnings, because really, Redeemer of Souls sounds really uninspired in comparison. The only good thing is the solid digibook, but again, Nostradamus topped it with its hardbook edition.
Also, I must say, Nostradamus really grew on me lately, I mean even more than in previous six years. I've always liked the first disc, but I was kinda meh on Visions - Calm Before the Storm run, but now I only dislike New Beginnings, and that's it. I think it ranks very high in my Priest albums ranking now, and it really surprises me.
Totally agree.
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I'm the opposite on this one. I've never really been able to totally get into Nostradamus, but Redeemer of Souls impressed me right from the beginning. Much better then I expected, and would also be my number #2 album of the year.
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I'm the opposite on this one. I've never really been able to totally get into Nostradamus, but Redeemer of Souls impressed me right from the beginning. Much better then I expected
All of this. Didn't have high hopes for this one but I ended up liking it a lot. Probably their best since Jugulator, maybe even better. It's a grower too, getting over the substandard singing and the production is a hurdle, but the songs are still very strong.
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I'm the opposite on this one. I've never really been able to totally get into Nostradamus, but Redeemer of Souls impressed me right from the beginning. Much better then I expected
All of this. Didn't have high hopes for this one but I ended up liking it a lot. Probably their best since Jugulator, maybe even better. It's a grower too, getting over the substandard singing and the production is a hurdle, but the songs are still very strong.
The bonus tracks on the deluxe edition are excellent too!
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I've heard a lot of comments about how great Rob's sounded this tour. Youtube doesn't bear it out at all. He's relied on screaming for quite some time now, which doesn't bother me at all. Very few things in the universe make me happier than hearing Rob belt one of those out at 110dB. Yet he doesn't even have strength in the screams anymore. Listening to him try and get through Devil's Child and Jawbreaker makes me more sad than anything else.
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I'm the opposite on this one. I've never really been able to totally get into Nostradamus, but Redeemer of Souls impressed me right from the beginning. Much better then I expected
All of this. Didn't have high hopes for this one but I ended up liking it a lot. Probably their best since Jugulator, maybe even better. It's a grower too, getting over the substandard singing and the production is a hurdle, but the songs are still very strong.
The bonus tracks on the deluxe edition are excellent too!
Oh god yea. The bonus disc could stand as its own EP really. I hate calling them "bonus tracks" because they hold up to the album easily. It's like a mini album.
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I liked it too but the rhythm guitar sound really took the edge off - could've been much better with a decent guitar sound.
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I'm the opposite on this one. I've never really been able to totally get into Nostradamus, but Redeemer of Souls impressed me right from the beginning. Much better then I expected, and would also be my number #2 album of the year.
Yes, their best since Painkiller for me.
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I just always found Nostradamus a chore to get through in its entirety. Albums should never be like that.
If RoS is the final album from the band, I would say that they went out on a high note for sure.
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I liked it too but the rhythm guitar sound really took the edge off - could've been much better with a decent guitar sound.
All the guitars just sound terrible.
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The new edition of DOTF is a five star release. The band, especially Rob, is on fire with the live album. My favorite Priest album made ever better. Highly recommended.
The next live album, Priest Live, pales in comparison to this one.
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I just always found Nostradamus a chore to get through in its entirety. Albums should never be like that.
If RoS is the final album from the band, I would say that they went out on a high note for sure.
I quite liked RoS when it came out. Played it recently and thought it was complete shite.
Agree about the new DotF though. Excellent live album and so much better than Priest Live. Shame there's no video.
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The new edition of DOTF is a five star release. The band, especially Rob, is on fire with the live album. My favorite Priest album made ever better. Highly recommended.
The next live album, Priest Live, pales in comparison to this one.
Good to hear. Just got it today and can't wait to give it a spin.
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Just having a listen to it now. Great live cd indeed. I'm pretty sure quite a few of these tracks have been used as bonus tracks on the remasters though, which is a bit disappointing. I'll go through and see which ones later.
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Just having a listen to it now. Great live cd indeed. I'm pretty sure quite a few of these tracks have been used as bonus tracks on the remasters though, which is a bit disappointing. I'll go through and see which ones later.
I am sure the three bonus tracks off Priest Live are from this show.
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Isn't there something to be said for having the complete show in one package as opposed to having to splice it all together from various sources?
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Isn't there something to be said for having the complete show in one package as opposed to having to splice it all together from various sources?
Absolutely. The fact that there's a complete show makes this a must buy, as opposed to simply having bonus live tracks, which are basically useless to me.
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I've gone through to see how many of these live tracks have already been released as far as I know;
Sin After Sin remaster - Jawbreaker
British Steel remaster - Grinder
Defenders of the Faith original remaster - Heavy Duty/Defenders of the Faith
Priest Live remaster - Rock Hard Ride Free
Ram it Down - Night Comes Down
That's alright, not as many as I thought.
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I always hoped they would release Live Vengeance 82 on cd
Now that is a kick ass show and a great dvd
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I always hoped they would release Live Vengeance 82 on cd
Now that is a kick ass show and a great dvd
Yeah, amazing dvd.
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I always hoped they would release Live Vengeance 82 on cd
Now that is a kick ass show and a great dvd
Yeah, amazing dvd.
I would actually say that is the ultimate Judas Priest performance
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You would not get an argument from me, but the Painkiller tour was awesome!
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I always hoped they would release Live Vengeance 82 on cd
Now that is a kick ass show and a great dvd
I'd have to see the setlist, but I have always that that SFV was just a WAAAY over-rated album. Hellion/EE and YGATC are obvious standouts. I also like Bloodstone and Riding on the Wind. But most of the others are just meh to me. Whereas I *LOVE* every track from DotF. Even the oft maligned HD/DotF.
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A perfect setlist for me would need to include The Sentinel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fl7yNIPlGM
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I always hoped they would release Live Vengeance 82 on cd
Now that is a kick ass show and a great dvd
I'd have to see the setlist, but I have always that that SFV was just a WAAAY over-rated album. Hellion/EE and YGATC are obvious standouts. I also like Bloodstone and Riding on the Wind. But most of the others are just meh to me. Whereas I *LOVE* every track from DotF. Even the oft maligned HD/DotF.
You're in luck
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Vengeance_%2782
You would not get an argument from me, but the Painkiller tour was awesome!
I always wanted something official from this tour, the boots I've seen are fucking good.
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For me, '98 Live Meltdown might as well be from the Painkiller tour, considering how many songs it features from that album, and while I'm not the biggest fan of their studio output with Ripper, his live performance is MILES ahead of Halford anyway. The only song that's missing is All Guns Blazing, and then you have the best from Painkiller there.
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I always hoped they would release Live Vengeance 82 on cd
Now that is a kick ass show and a great dvd
I'd have to see the setlist, but I have always that that SFV was just a WAAAY over-rated album. Hellion/EE and YGATC are obvious standouts. I also like Bloodstone and Riding on the Wind. But most of the others are just meh to me. Whereas I *LOVE* every track from DotF. Even the oft maligned HD/DotF.
You don't like the title track??
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For me, '98 Live Meltdown might as well be from the Painkiller tour, considering how many songs it features from that album, and while I'm not the biggest fan of their studio output with Ripper, his live performance is MILES ahead of Halford anyway. The only song that's missing is All Guns Blazing, and then you have the best from Painkiller there.
THIS!!!
And the title track from SFV is good too. I had forgotten that one. (you can tell how often I listen to it)
I just remember when they released it for Rock Band and how disappointed I was that it wasn't DotF. Pain and Pleasure and Fever are both just plain dumb...and I guess Devil's Child has a pretty good chorus. But it's basically 2 or 3 classics, 5 or 6 ok songs and 2 stupid ones.
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For me, '98 Live Meltdown might as well be from the Painkiller tour, considering how many songs it features from that album, and while I'm not the biggest fan of their studio output with Ripper, his live performance is MILES ahead of Halford anyway. The only song that's missing is All Guns Blazing, and then you have the best from Painkiller there.
I saw Priest live on the Demolition tour, and Tim was by far still the greatest vocal performance I've seen live, he was just amazing.
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Saw that tour too - the only time that the live screams of a metal singer have really hurt my ears.
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I just wish Jugulator would have been better represented. Sorely under-rated album. What I wouldn't give for a live performance of Cathedral Spires.
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Saw that tour too - the only time that the live screams of a metal singer have really hurt my ears.
I know we've had this exact discussion before, but yes, I thought my ear drums were going to explode at times. People around me had to cover their ears each time he screamed. :lol
I just wish Jugulator would have been better represented. Sorely under-rated album. What I wouldn't give for a live performance of Cathedral Spires.
I can only agree with this. Good selection of songs on that tour though, although Spires and the title track would be the two I'd most like to hear live. Dead Meat and Decapitate would have been cool as too.
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Kind of interesting hearing all the love for Defenders of the Faith, given that the reaction to it at the time it came out was "great first side, Love Bites is cool, the rest of the album is filler" in my circle of friends. It was generally considered a step down from SFV and back then, the holy grail, best Priest album there was honor went to either Stained Class or British Steel. DOTF has, in my opinion, aged better than SFV, but to this day I still think "first five songs are great, the rest less so." :lol
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Some heads are gonna roll is a personal favorite of mine on that album, along with The Sentinel. Still a great record overall. :tup
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Some Heads Are Gonna Roll is the weak point for me :P
Overall a better album than Screaming For Vengeance.
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Kind of interesting hearing all the love for Defenders of the Faith, given that the reaction to it at the time it came out was "great first side, Love Bites is cool, the rest of the album is filler" in my circle of friends. It was generally considered a step down from SFV and back then, the holy grail, best Priest album there was honor went to either Stained Class or British Steel. DOTF has, in my opinion, aged better than SFV, but to this day I still think "first five songs are great, the rest less so." :lol
See, this is something that I can kind of understand. But to call Defenders "filled with filler" (if I'm allowed to paraphrase here) and then call British Steel the holy grail of Judas Priest is mindboggling to me.
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I'm just telling you how people reacted to it when it came out, and that's what they were saying :lol
Personally I find the modern reaction to British Steel baffling, given how many people seem to either low rate it or think it one of the lesser albums. Back in 1984 people really did consider it the best album Priest made, and I think it holds up actually better than SFV or DOTF. You also have to consider the time period; we were still in vinyl back then, and it was very common to think that the best songs were on Side 1 and the first song on side two was usually a single, and beyond that were the leftovers. People never stopped singing the praises of side one of DOTF, but most people, well, you could get some to admit they liked Eat Me Alive, but Some Heads Are Gonna Roll was blatant in its commercial side and Heavy Duty/Defenders Of The Faith isn't precisely the best rock anthem Priest ever did. I think that's one reason why British Steel was highly regarded back then, it was just endless anthemic, sing in the car at top volume songs. Plus 30 years of Breaking The Law and Living After Midnight being everywhere have sapped those songs power somewhat. Living After Midnight was made to be heard out of the shitty speakers of the guy in your group who had a car, buzzed on beer at midnight on a Saturday.
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True, and that's something where I can't really talk, because that was years before I was born, let alone listened to Judas Priest. But nowadays, British Steel is Rapid Fire and maybe Steeler if I'm feeling particularly generous - and that was my very first reaction to it, even before I heard Breaking the Law and Living After Midnight tons of times.
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I just wish Jugulator would have been better represented. Sorely under-rated album. What I wouldn't give for a live performance of Cathedral Spires.
Cathedral Spires may be Priests most underrated song
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DOTF is top 3 Priest. Amazing album.
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DOTF is top 3 Priest. Amazing album.
If you take Unleashed out of the equation its top 1 for me.
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DOTF is top 3 Priest. Amazing album.
If you take Unleashed out of the equation its top 1 for me.
I normally don't include live albums in my rankings, but that is solid as hell too.
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I don't include live albums either.
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98 Live Meltdown would be my all time favorite live album. Unleashed would be close behind.
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I have never delved into Ripper era Priest.
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I never felt that Defenders could touch Painkiller for consistency (strong start and tails away) and my ratings reflect that , but The Sentinel could well be my favourite tune of theirs. Love it.
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I have never delved into Ripper era Priest.
It follows the Iron Maiden pattern....release one grossly under-rated album that was mostly rejected because "if it's not Halford(Dickenson), it's not Priest(Maiden)" :\ And then follow it up with a truly piss-poor album that makes you wonder 1) what in the hell could they possibly have been thinking and 2) were they intentionally sabotaging their singer in order to get the original guy to come back?
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Jugulator is the second or third best JP album, imo. And the live album they did with Owens was awesome. You don't see the whiners in the crowds for some reason.
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I have never delved into Ripper era Priest.
It follows the Iron Maiden pattern....release one grossly under-rated album that was mostly rejected because "if it's not Halford(Dickenson), it's not Priest(Maiden)" :\ And then follow it up with a truly piss-poor album that makes you wonder 1) what in the hell could they possibly have been thinking and 2) were they intentionally sabotaging their singer in order to get the original guy to come back?
Yes, thats what i have heard
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Demolition has some ok tunes. Was disappointed when I first heard it and it has redeemed itself slightly over the years to me. "Cyberface" is a grind to listen to
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For me, '98 Live Meltdown might as well be from the Painkiller tour, considering how many songs it features from that album, and while I'm not the biggest fan of their studio output with Ripper, his live performance is MILES ahead of Halford anyway. The only song that's missing is All Guns Blazing, and then you have the best from Painkiller there.
I saw Priest live on the Demolition tour, and Tim was by far still the greatest vocal performance I've seen live, he was just amazing.
Chris Jericho has also said in an interview years ago that Ripper was the greatest vocalist he has ever seen live
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Demolition has some ok tunes. Was disappointed when I first heard it and it has redeemed itself slightly over the years to me. "Cyberface" is a grind to listen to
Probably the worst song Priest ever did. Keep Scott awaiting from the song writing. :lol
For me, '98 Live Meltdown might as well be from the Painkiller tour, considering how many songs it features from that album, and while I'm not the biggest fan of their studio output with Ripper, his live performance is MILES ahead of Halford anyway. The only song that's missing is All Guns Blazing, and then you have the best from Painkiller there.
I saw Priest live on the Demolition tour, and Tim was by far still the greatest vocal performance I've seen live, he was just amazing.
Chris Jericho has also said in an interview years ago that Ripper was the greatest vocalist he has ever seen live
:hat
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I have the Live in London DVD and Ripper is tremendous on it. He's a damn good singer.
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I didn't know that Scott wrote Cyberface. Yikes
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Cyberface is pretty icky, but Demolition has some awesome songs too, like Close to You and Metal Messiah.
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Cyberface is pretty icky, but Demolition has some awesome songs too, like Close to You and Metal Messiah.
Feed on Me and Blood Suckers are pretty good too
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I have the Live in London DVD and Ripper is tremendous on it. He's a damn good singer.
Wonderful DVD.
I didn't know that Scott wrote Cyberface. Yikes
Him and Tipton.
Cyberface is pretty icky, but Demolition has some awesome songs too, like Close to You and Metal Messiah.
Feed on Me and Blood Suckers are pretty good too
I also really like Subterfuge and One on One.
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I like Hell is Home the most. In Between, Jeckyl and Hyde are good as well.
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I like Hell is Home the most. In Between, Jeckyl and Hyde are good as well.
Yeah, all solid, forgot Hell is Home.
I think we've covered all songs now? :lol
EDIT: Wait, Machine Man, that's not bad either, great energy but shit lyrics.
Also, Lost and Found and Devil Digger. Devil Digger wasn't great, but I wouldn't skip it. Lost and Found is actually quite good.
The bonus track if I remember correctly is shit.
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One thing that is bringing the album back for me, aside from the hit and miss songs, is the production. I loved the sound of Jugulator. I guess they were going for a more dirty sound but to me it always sounded muffled, but in Jugulator it the riffs felt like a punch to the face.
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One thing that is bringing the album back for me, aside from the hit and miss songs, is the production. I loved the sound of Jugulator. I guess they were going for a more dirty sound but to me it always sounded muffled, but in Jugulator it the riffs felt like a punch to the face.
The rhythm guitar tones are just monstrous.
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A cool show just went up on Dime:
https://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=522925
Judas Priest
Reading Rock Festival
Reading, England
8/22/75
Setlist:
1. Victim Of Changes
2. Dreamer, Deceiver
3. Deceiver
4. The Ripper
5. Mother Sun
6. Island Of Domination
7. K.K. Downing Guitar Solo
8. Genocide intro
9. Rocka Rolla
Sample sounds just OK, but definitely listenable for any big Priest fan.
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Redeemer of Souls is one of the best Priest albums. It's amazing. The riffs, the solos, the harmonies. Maybe Rob can't go high like he used to, you can't blame him for that, and he makes up for it in other ways. And like I heard in a review, Walls of Valhalla is a Maiden song. one of my favorites. The lyrical themes and images are very heavy metal. I feel like they finally made their Brave New World. It may have taken a few albums, but it happened.
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Its a great release, I know Wolf and Lowdz arent big fans of it though.
I'm still enjoying it and I find it to be much much better then Nostradamus
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I enjoyed Redeemer of souls although I wouldn't say its one of their best. I had some issues with the production and I thought there was a bit of a mid album slump. I liked most of the bonus tracks though. I think some of them should have been swapped with a few that made it on the album
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I hated it when it came out. I gave it a spin a few weeks back and it was okay. Some good songs on there, but some filler. Richie taking over the majority of the leads disturbs me though. Still Priest's worst album.
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I really, truly think its one of the best Priest albums. They sound rejuvenated. My favorite is Sword of Domocles, amazing song.
There seem to be a lot of fantasy themes on this album. Like Blind Guardian type fantasy.
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I hated it when it came out. I gave it a spin a few weeks back and it was okay. Some good songs on there, but some filler. Richie taking over the majority of the leads disturbs me though. Still Priest's worst album.
I hated the previews but enjoyed the album on first listen but on both listens since its pretty poor.
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Great album, and a big step in the right direction after the previous one.
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Nostradamus is where it's at, Redeemer of Souls was a significant drop in quality after that.
*hides*
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Guess I'm the odd ball because I really enjoy all 3 of their last albums. Still spinning RoS often and whenever I go back to either
Angel Of Retribution of Nostradamus I'm glad I did. 3 solid albums late in their career.
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Nostradamus is where it's at, Redeemer of Souls was a significant drop in quality after that.
*hides*
Yeah, this.
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Nostradamus is where it's at, Redeemer of Souls was a significant drop in quality after that.
*hides*
Yeah, this.
Totally agree with this.
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Great album, and a big step in the right direction after the previous one.
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I liked Redeemer. A bit middle of the road for Priest but still very consistent. I enjoy nearly every song on there. Nostradamus is a chore for me to get through.
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New CD and DVD
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/judas-priest-unleash-new-live-cd-dvd-blu-ray-battle-cry-in-march/
Meh.
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Never in my life have I seen the more anticlimactic teaser. :lol
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It's Priest, I'll still get it
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Still no Jugulator songs :D
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You'll see a song from Rocka Rolla in the set before you'll see something from Jugulator or Demolition.
Which has actually happened, btw.
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If the Painkiller vid from Wacken is anything to go by, Rob sounded great for this show. Colour me excited :D
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I remember buying the last live album, Touch of Evil, and being a bit disappointed with the vocals. But I saw Priest live a couple months back and the band, especially Rob, sounded awesome. I would still be buying this regardless lol
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Really nice set list there, especially the inclusion of one of my favorites in Desert Plains, but odds are, I'd buy this, watch it once, and then never again, so I won't get it. Halford's live voice is hard to take these days anyway.
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Really nice set list there, especially the inclusion of one of my favorites in Desert Plains, but odds are, I'd buy this, watch it once, and then never again, so I won't get it. Halford's live voice is hard to take these days anyway.
This. But I'll probably still buy it. His vocals are the make or break of the live releases lately for me too.
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I'll buy that for Devil's Child and Desert Plains, alone.
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Really nice set list there, especially the inclusion of one of my favorites in Desert Plains, but odds are, I'd buy this, watch it once, and then never again, so I won't get it. Halford's live voice is hard to take these days anyway.
This. But I'll probably still buy it. His vocals are the make or break of the live releases lately for me too.
Yeah. Once Rob wasn't doing the Condemned to Hell screams in Sentinel anymore I pretty much dismissed Priest as a live act. That was the tell-tale sign that it just wasn't happening anymore (and one of the things I was always stoked to see).
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At my show last year he was great. Not beginning 'to the end great, but good enough; he was right in front of me when he gave the "AND THEN HE DIEEEEEED" scream in Beyond the Realms of Death and it was an awesome and badass moment.
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Really nice set list there, especially the inclusion of one of my favorites in Desert Plains, but odds are, I'd buy this, watch it once, and then never again, so I won't get it. Halford's live voice is hard to take these days anyway.
This. But I'll probably still buy it. His vocals are the make or break of the live releases lately for me too.
Yeah. Once Rob wasn't doing the Condemned to Hell screams in Sentinel anymore I pretty much dismissed Priest as a live act. That was the tell-tale sign that it just wasn't happening anymore (and one of the things I was always stoked to see).
It's harsh, but true.
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i saw them in 2011 and Rob sounded fantastic, he can't go as high as he could obviously, but his melodic voice is still in great shape. He struggled a bit with 'Painkiller' overall but still delivered some great screams, and the way he sang the end of VICTIIIIM OF CHAAAAAAAAANGEEEEEES was insane!
I'd say they'd still be well worth actually seeing live, but maybe not necessarily picking up a DVD to watch at home.
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I'd say they'd still be well worth actually seeing live, but maybe not necessarily picking up a DVD to watch at home.
I think that's probably the difference, the live experience is so different and IMO makes singers sound more impressive than they really are if you watched the same performance back on tape, sometimes that is.
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It just might be the last ever live release from Priest, so it's still worth getting
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It just might be the last ever live release from Priest, so it's still worth getting
That's a solid point.
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The only time I've seen Priest was in '09, on the tour where they played all of British Steel, and while it was pretty great, there were a few times where his screams made my ears hurt a bit. The volume being ear-splitting loud didn't help either. :lol :lol
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The only time I've seen Priest was in '09, on the tour where they played all of British Steel, and while it was pretty great, there were a few times where his screams made my ears hurt a bit. The volume being ear-splitting loud didn't help either. :lol :lol
Damn, dude, be very thankful you didn't see them back in the '80s, when concerts were loud and Rob was still Rob (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAr1irxW078). :lol
Something that I'd actually kind of forgotten about was that Rob used to be halfway spry. He was never Bruce Dickinson or anything, but he'd still get around the stage. Last show I saw he was using a cane. Don't get me wrong, the fact that the man was probably in a good deal of discomfort only adds to my respect. I'd just kind of forgotten him moving about.
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A friend who is a few years older than me saw them in the 80s and said it was beyond awesome every time. He still talks about how the trilogy of awesome shows to see in the early to mid 80s was Priest, Rush and Triumph. :metal
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A friend who is a few years older than me saw them in the 80s and said it was beyond awesome every time. He still talks about how the trilogy of awesome shows to see in the early to mid 80s was Priest, Rush and Triumph. :metal
My first concert ever was Maiden opening for Priest in '82 (the Number/Screaming tour). I've said this about 100 times on the forum, 99 times in reference to how awesome Bruce is (they opened) but I rarely ever say how good Priest was: they DELIVERED. I knew Screaming and British Steel but that was it, and they ended the concert proper with Devil's Child, Screaming, Another Thing Comin', and Victim of Changes. Just amazing. That may be my first choice if I could ever go back and see just one concert that I previously saw one more time. If that makes any sense...
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It definitely does. Mine would be either Floyd in '94 or Rush in '02, but I can't say I am surprised you or anyone else would pick Priest from the early 80s, given what I've heard about those shows. :metal
Random thought: A Touch of Evil is easily a top 10 Priest song.
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I'd say they'd still be well worth actually seeing live, but maybe not necessarily picking up a DVD to watch at home.
I think that's probably the difference, the live experience is so different and IMO makes singers sound more impressive than they really are if you watched the same performance back on tape, sometimes that is.
Indeed the live experience is different... you're there, you're excited, the adrenaline flows, if a band makes a good show and entertains you you don't really notice the little flaws and errors here and there.
See my example above, whatever Rob's performance was during Beyond the Realms of Death, I have impressed in my mind the "And then he dieeeeed" scream that he happened to do in front of me, so that's what I remember of the song... and that's how a concert should be!
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Just listening to the Battle Cry live release. The band is killing it, Rob sounds great!
I really need to see Judas Priest live before they hang it up..
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Just listening to the Battle Cry live release. The band is killing it, Rob sounds great!
I really need to see Judas Priest live before they hang it up..
Your username makes me hungry.
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It is an honour to have altered your state of mind.
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Eating chicken mcnuggets while listening to Judas Priest. Great combo!!
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There's nothing worse than seeing Halford singing Painkiller these days.
I have a question, who do you think had more range in their prime, Bruce or Rob? I'm not sure Bruce ever hit the high notes like Rob.
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Rob totally.
Also I think painkiller has been sounding great lately.
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I have a question, who do you think had more range in their prime, Bruce or Rob? I'm not sure Bruce ever hit the high notes like Rob.
Ummm......if this is a serious question, then the answer is Rob. There is no comparison between the ranges of the two.
It is an honour to have altered your state of mind.
You certainly did.
Eating chicken mcnuggets while listening to Judas Priest. Great combo!!
YES.
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There's no comparing those two singers, really. Although Rob in his prime was a sight to behold, as was Bruce, even with all the running around. I think Halford has a little more personality in his voice in the lower regions. Something Bruce tends to neglect a bit. He seems to focus on the mid- to high range. But listen to 'The Black Hole' by Ayreon if you want some great lower range singing by Bruce.
I'm listening to Rob's solo album at the moment and have to say there's some really great stuff on that.
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Look, I'm an unabashed Bruce fanboy, and I consider him to be the greatest heavy metal frontman of all time, slightly ahead of Dio and Halford, but Halford as a better voice in terms of range and tone. I compare Epitaph and the b-side live version of Remember Tomorrow for the low end and there really isn't anything like Freewheel Burning in the Maiden catalogue, is there? I just think live Bruce has Rob beat, and I think Bruce writes better material. Plus, Bruce would kick Rob's ass at fencing.
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Yeah, well, let's not even start about all the extra-curricular activities Bruce excells at! My God! The man has more brass balls than Captain Flahheart! Whoof!
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I'm a big Bruce fan, he has an awesome voice, BUT compared to others like Rage or Halford, his range doesn't quite match up to theirs.
Does anyone else agree that Sad Wings of Destiny is really one of Priests best albums? I've been listening to Priest a lot lately, and there's something in that album that their other stuff is lacking. It has more depth than, say, Screaming For Vengeance. The most popular Priest albums are my least favorites, not all but a lot.
They're best albums are: Sad Wings, Jugulator, Angel of Retribution, and Redeemer of Souls.
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I'm a big Bruce fan, he has an awesome voice, BUT compared to others like Rage or Halford, his range doesn't quite match up to theirs.
Does anyone else agree that Sad Wings of Destiny is really one of Priests best albums? I've been listening to Priest a lot lately, and there's something in that album that their other stuff is lacking. It has more depth than, say, Screaming For Vengeance. The most popular Priest albums are my least favorites, not all but a lot.
They're best albums are: Sad Wings, Jugulator, Angel of Retribution, and Redeemer of Souls.
Sad Wings of Destiny is my favourite Priest album, hands down. It made my Top 50 Albums List, I had it at #26. Fantastic album. Victim of Changes and Dreamer Deceiver are as good as it gets.
I also agree that Angel of Retribution is a brilliant album, very good indeed. I think I'm going to spin it right now. Sadly can't agree about Redeemer of Souls, not a fan of that one.
You all probably know my opinion on Nostradamus so I'll just be silent on that matter.
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I don't know that it is their best, but it's a top album, and really, there aren't any really "bad" Priest albums. Turbo is very different, of course, but for me, it's more about the songs. There are bad songs on certain albums (I don't care for "Epitaph"; "Evil Fantasies"; there are a couple others). I know for me, the sound improved a lot with British Steel, and personally, I know he is a pariah among fans, but I think Dave Holland was the best drummer for Priest (or at least my favorite, his "proclivities" notwithstanding).
Sorry, I don't mean to offend, but I don't count the Ripper albums.
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I'm a big Bruce fan, he has an awesome voice, BUT compared to others like Rage or Halford, his range doesn't quite match up to theirs.
Does anyone else agree that Sad Wings of Destiny is really one of Priests best albums? I've been listening to Priest a lot lately, and there's something in that album that their other stuff is lacking. It has more depth than, say, Screaming For Vengeance. The most popular Priest albums are my least favorites, not all but a lot.
They're best albums are: Sad Wings, Jugulator, Angel of Retribution, and Redeemer of Souls.
Sad Wings of Destiny is my favourite Priest album, hands down. It made my Top 50 Albums List, I had it at #26. Fantastic album. Victim of Changes and Dreamer Deceiver are as good as it gets.
I also agree that Angel of Retribution is a brilliant album, very good indeed. I think I'm going to spin it right now. Sadly can't agree about Redeemer of Souls, not a fan of that one.
You all probably know my opinion on Nostradamus so I'll just be silent on that matter.
Good call on Dreamer Deceiver. As awesome as Priest is, they never seem to get enough credit when it comes to their power ballads. Dreamer Deceiver is definitely right near the top. Beyond the Realms of Death, Before the Dawn, Here Comes the Tears, Take These Chains, Out in the Cold, Blood Red Skies, Touch of Evil and Night Comes Down are also spectacular
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I mostly love all the songs you mentioned, but I'd like to single out Beyond the Realms of Death out of these. The solo on this one is just magnificent.
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I mostly love all the songs you mentioned, but I'd like to single out Beyond the Realms of Death out of these. The solo on this one is just magnificent.
one of the best ever
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Good call on Dreamer Deceiver. As awesome as Priest is, they never seem to get enough credit when it comes to their power ballads. Dreamer Deceiver is definitely right near the top. Beyond the Realms of Death, Before the Dawn, Here Comes the Tears, Take These Chains, Out in the Cold, Blood Red Skies, Touch of Evil and Night Comes Down are also spectacular
Last Rose of Summer for me. LOVE that song. Top ten Priest song for me.
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I mostly love all the songs you mentioned, but I'd like to single out Beyond the Realms of Death out of these. The solo on this one is just magnificent.
Glenn's is possibly the best ever. One of anyway.
Speaking of Priest ballads and top 10. A top 10 massively underrated Priest song for me that Jason did mention up there is Here Come the Tears, I fucking love that song.
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I mostly love all the songs you mentioned, but I'd like to single out Beyond the Realms of Death out of these. The solo on this one is just magnificent.
Glenn's is possibly the best ever. One of anyway.
Speaking of Priest ballads and top 10. A top 10 massively underrated Priest song for me that Jason did mention up there is Here Come the Tears, I fucking love that song.
The best part of Here Comes the Tears is that its not only a fantastic song, but it leads into one of the most kick ass songs of all time. Priest or any other band- Dissident Aggressor!!!
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Yeah man, absolutely, works so well together, absolute perfection. Sin After Sin on a whole is so underrated.
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Yeah man, absolutely, works so well together, absolute perfection. Sin After Sin on a whole is so underrated.
Big time. Also going back to power ballads from Priest, Last Rose of Summer from Sin after Sin is a beautiful tune.
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Yeah man, absolutely, works so well together, absolute perfection. Sin After Sin on a whole is so underrated.
Big time. Also going back to power ballads from Priest, Last Rose of Summer from Sin after Sin is a beautiful tune.
Something different for sure, but yeah a real nice piece.
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Does anyone else agree that Sad Wings of Destiny is really one of Priests best albums? I've been listening to Priest a lot lately, and there's something in that album that their other stuff is lacking. It has more depth than, say, Screaming For Vengeance. The most popular Priest albums are my least favorites, not all but a lot.
They're best albums are: Sad Wings, Jugulator, Angel of Retribution, and Redeemer of Souls.
I agree that Sad Wings is one of their best, but those others you mentioned are certainly not (although I do like 3-4 songs on Angel of Retribution a lot). :biggrin:
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I'm a big Bruce fan, he has an awesome voice, BUT compared to others like Rage or Halford, his range doesn't quite match up to theirs.
Does anyone else agree that Sad Wings of Destiny is really one of Priests best albums? I've been listening to Priest a lot lately, and there's something in that album that their other stuff is lacking. It has more depth than, say, Screaming For Vengeance. The most popular Priest albums are my least favorites, not all but a lot.
They're best albums are: Sad Wings, Jugulator, Angel of Retribution, and Redeemer of Souls.
Yeah, that's hardly a controversial opinion re: SWoD. Between all critics and fans it probably averages out to #1.
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I love the Sad Wings art (and have a tee ) but my love of Priest really begins at British Steel.
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Sorry, I don't mean to offend, but I don't count the Ripper albums.
Neither do Priest. :p
Sad Wings is awesome, but I listened to it back to back with Sin After Sin and the latter was without a doubt the better album. Sad Wings is a WDADU -> I&W level jump in quality for Priest, but they're still refining their sound a bit. Sin After Sin is the pinnacle of 70s Priest.
For me, the holy trinity (taking one from each decade) is Sin After Sin, Screaming For Vengeance, and Painkiller.
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Sorry, I don't mean to offend, but I don't count the Ripper albums.
Neither do Priest. :p
Totally a shame. Demolition is a mess, but Jugulator is just AMAZING. Cathedral Spires is possibly the greatest JP album closer of all time. And Live Meltdown by itself is reason enough to legitimize the Ripper-era. I'm an old school JP fan....but Live Meltdown is my favorite Priest Live album.
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I'm with you there, 98 Live Meltdown is awesome and Jugulator has great tunes. I remember when they announced the Eptitaph tour they said they would play a song from every album, they ended up playing a song from every album except the two with Ripper. It's a shame they were willing to give Rocka Rolla some play time but not Jugulator, which is a far superior album and I'd love to hear Rob's take on some of those songs.
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98 Live Meltdown is my favorite live album ever, by any band
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Sorry, I don't mean to offend, but I don't count the Ripper albums.
Neither do Priest. :p
Totally a shame. Demolition is a mess, but Jugulator is just AMAZING. Cathedral Spires is possibly the greatest JP album closer of all time. And Live Meltdown by itself is reason enough to legitimize the Ripper-era. I'm an old school JP fan....but Live Meltdown is my favorite Priest Live album.
But therein is the Priest problem. Now, I'm a huge Maiden fan (first concert ever was Maiden opening for Priest in '82) and compared to them, Priest just comes off a little cartoony. The "Metal God". "Jugulator". What the fuck is a "Jugulator"? Booby fondler? I like Priest - have all their albums except the Ripper ones - but it's a little over the top for me, and despite some great tunes, drops them a notch for me.
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Sorry, I don't mean to offend, but I don't count the Ripper albums.
Neither do Priest. :p
Totally a shame. Demolition is a mess, but Jugulator is just AMAZING. Cathedral Spires is possibly the greatest JP album closer of all time. And Live Meltdown by itself is reason enough to legitimize the Ripper-era. I'm an old school JP fan....but Live Meltdown is my favorite Priest Live album.
But therein is the Priest problem. Now, I'm a huge Maiden fan (first concert ever was Maiden opening for Priest in '82) and compared to them, Priest just comes off a little cartoony. The "Metal God". "Jugulator". What the fuck is a "Jugulator"? Booby fondler? I like Priest - have all their albums except the Ripper ones - but it's a little over the top for me, and despite some great tunes, drops them a notch for me.
Oh come on! How is the Jugulator any different than the Hellion from SFV? Or the character on the front of DOTF? Or the Painkiller? All classic Halford albums...all NO DIFFERENT than the Jugulator.
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Sorry, I don't mean to offend, but I don't count the Ripper albums.
Neither do Priest. :p
Totally a shame. Demolition is a mess, but Jugulator is just AMAZING. Cathedral Spires is possibly the greatest JP album closer of all time. And Live Meltdown by itself is reason enough to legitimize the Ripper-era. I'm an old school JP fan....but Live Meltdown is my favorite Priest Live album.
But therein is the Priest problem. Now, I'm a huge Maiden fan (first concert ever was Maiden opening for Priest in '82) and compared to them, Priest just comes off a little cartoony. The "Metal God". "Jugulator". What the fuck is a "Jugulator"? Booby fondler? I like Priest - have all their albums except the Ripper ones - but it's a little over the top for me, and despite some great tunes, drops them a notch for me.
Totally with you there. Priest are awesome, but Maiden just resonates deeper for me.
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I get where Stadler is coming from. On the surface, those various names Priest come up - Demonizer, Pain Killer, Night Crawler, etc. - are pretty silly, and let's face it, their lyrics are generally somewhat...pedestrian.
I look Priest as like the equivalent of an action movie: I am not expecting anything deep, but it's still good, mindless fun. :metal
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I know that. I was just objecting to singling out Jugulator as if it was somehow cartoony when the others aren't. :\
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A lot of song and album titles are based around demons and other characters they come up with. I felt that Glenn and KK did a good job of taking over this with the lyrics for Jugulator and Demolition. I'm assuming Rob writes the lyrics.
And Demolition was far from a mess. Although I don't see it as sounding like classic Priest like some say. It had to many 'modem' metal elements for that.
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I know that. I was just objecting to singling out Jugulator as if it was somehow cartoony when the others aren't. :\
I got the impression that he thinks the others are all cartoony, just using Jug as an example.
It's their shtick and I don't mind it. They used to have really thoughtful lyrics though, Beyond the Realms of Death immediately comes to mind.
Demolition is one of the worst albums I've ever heard. It's up there with the likes of St. Anger.
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Speaking of over the top Priest "monsters" and questionable lyrics, try to never find out what Jawbreaker is REALLY about.
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Isn't Eat Me Alive about oral sex?
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Well, that also, but in that case they didn't try to hide it :biggrin:
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Isn't Eat Me Alive about oral sex?
Pretty much.
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I'm currently relistening Nostradamus - still a great album, btw - and it made me think: are there any other Priest albums that features songs completely without drumming? I can't think of any off-hand, but I'd be curious to know if I'm missing any. Nostradamus definitely has Lost Love, and I think some of the interludes don't feature any drumming either, but I'm not sure on those, tbh.
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Sorry, I don't mean to offend, but I don't count the Ripper albums.
Neither do Priest. :p
Totally a shame. Demolition is a mess, but Jugulator is just AMAZING. Cathedral Spires is possibly the greatest JP album closer of all time. And Live Meltdown by itself is reason enough to legitimize the Ripper-era. I'm an old school JP fan....but Live Meltdown is my favorite Priest Live album.
But therein is the Priest problem. Now, I'm a huge Maiden fan (first concert ever was Maiden opening for Priest in '82) and compared to them, Priest just comes off a little cartoony. The "Metal God". "Jugulator". What the fuck is a "Jugulator"? Booby fondler? I like Priest - have all their albums except the Ripper ones - but it's a little over the top for me, and despite some great tunes, drops them a notch for me.
Oh come on! How is the Jugulator any different than the Hellion from SFV? Or the character on the front of DOTF? Or the Painkiller? All classic Halford albums...all NO DIFFERENT than the Jugulator.
And all cartoony. I'm not arguing with you but you are in a way making my point.
I outgrew the "METAL ROOLS, EVERYONE ELSE IS FOOLS! DIE FOR METAL MUTHAFUCKAS!" mentality in '84.... wait, I never really HAD that mentality. I get it, love your lifestyle and live it to the fullest, but I kind of got into the touchpoints of Maiden (and Sabbath for that matter) more than I did those of Priest. Their best albums - and the parts of their albums I love the best - were always the parts where they brought it back down to less of a caricature. We DON'T Rock, I DON'T Wanna Rock, and I'm not Defending The Faith. Though I've dated a couple women that could be the subject of "Devil's Child". ;)
It's my one knock on later Sabbath; once someone told Iommi that he was the "RIFFMASTER GENERAL", and all he had to do was pile a couple of monster pieces of riffage together, instead of crafting SONGS like Spiral Architect, their work went down a notch (that's why I like the first two Dio records only, and while I have since gone back and found much to appreciate about Dehumanizer, I dismissed it for years as just a one-note sludge-fest).
No one talks about it much, but it's why I liked Point of Entry so much. Some have called it Rob's "gay" album, and while I'm not gay at all, I thought it was a great exploration - to the extent you can explore the inner feelings of a gay man on a metal record, let's keep SOME perspective - of something REAL, as opposed to "Killing Machines" and what not.
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I think it's clear, now, what with the novelette I just wrote (haha) but Mosh had it exactly right.
And my wife knows what "Jawbreaker" is about! Ba-dum PAH!
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It's my one knock on later Sabbath; once someone told Iommi that he was the "RIFFMASTER GENERAL", and all he had to do was pile a couple of monster pieces of riffage together, instead of crafting SONGS like Spiral Architect, their work went down a notch (that's why I like the first two Dio records only, and while I have since gone back and found much to appreciate about Dehumanizer, I dismissed it for years as just a one-note sludge-fest).
The Devil You Know is a masterpiece. I know that it's not officially a BS album (thanks to Ozzy), but from what I can tell it seems that most fans consider it canon.
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I feel like "masterpiece" is a bit strong for TDYK.
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The Devil You Know is indeed great. Not mindblowingly awesome, but at least hafl the album has very great songs. I've seen only Heaven and Hell live, I never saw them with Ozzy, but if you ask me if I saw Black Sabbath live, I will answer you "yes, with Dio, the Heaven and Hell incarnation". I count myself has having seen the second most famous lineup of Black Sabbath because that's what it was. The name change was welcomed from Tony Iommi as well however, I don't think it's "evil Sharon" who forced them, they probably 1) wanted to avoid all the headaches and 2) not be forced to play Iron Man and Paranoid since the band was billed in a different way.
Imagine an alternate reality when the Ripper album with Priest are immensely popular - wouldn't Ripper, Tipton, Downing, Hill and Travis have an easier time billing themselves as Jugulators and play songs only from Jugulator and Demolition? and wouldn't the difference with "Judas Priest" be only semantics?
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The Jugulators! :metal
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Sounds awesome!!
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Love the Jugs!!!
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Sorry, I don't mean to offend, but I don't count the Ripper albums.
Neither do Priest. :p
Totally a shame. Demolition is a mess, but Jugulator is just AMAZING. Cathedral Spires is possibly the greatest JP album closer of all time. And Live Meltdown by itself is reason enough to legitimize the Ripper-era. I'm an old school JP fan....but Live Meltdown is my favorite Priest Live album.
But therein is the Priest problem. Now, I'm a huge Maiden fan (first concert ever was Maiden opening for Priest in '82) and compared to them, Priest just comes off a little cartoony. The "Metal God". "Jugulator". What the fuck is a "Jugulator"? Booby fondler? I like Priest - have all their albums except the Ripper ones - but it's a little over the top for me, and despite some great tunes, drops them a notch for me.
Oh come on! How is the Jugulator any different than the Hellion from SFV? Or the character on the front of DOTF? Or the Painkiller? All classic Halford albums...all NO DIFFERENT than the Jugulator.
And all cartoony. I'm not arguing with you but you are in a way making my point.
I outgrew the "METAL ROOLS, EVERYONE ELSE IS FOOLS! DIE FOR METAL MUTHAFUCKAS!" mentality in '84.... wait, I never really HAD that mentality. I get it, love your lifestyle and live it to the fullest, but I kind of got into the touchpoints of Maiden (and Sabbath for that matter) more than I did those of Priest. Their best albums - and the parts of their albums I love the best - were always the parts where they brought it back down to less of a caricature. We DON'T Rock, I DON'T Wanna Rock, and I'm not Defending The Faith. Though I've dated a couple women that could be the subject of "Devil's Child". ;)
It's my one knock on later Sabbath; once someone told Iommi that he was the "RIFFMASTER GENERAL", and all he had to do was pile a couple of monster pieces of riffage together, instead of crafting SONGS like Spiral Architect, their work went down a notch (that's why I like the first two Dio records only, and while I have since gone back and found much to appreciate about Dehumanizer, I dismissed it for years as just a one-note sludge-fest).
No one talks about it much, but it's why I liked Point of Entry so much. Some have called it Rob's "gay" album, and while I'm not gay at all, I thought it was a great exploration - to the extent you can explore the inner feelings of a gay man on a metal record, let's keep SOME perspective - of something REAL, as opposed to "Killing Machines" and what not.
I don't dispute anything you said. I only dispute that as being a sole reason to dismiss the Ripper albums.
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Jugulator is awesome. Live Meltdown is a beast of a live album.
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I don't dispute anything you said. I only dispute that as being a sole reason to dismiss the Ripper albums.
Those aren't the reasons I dismiss the Ripper albums. Those I dismiss just because it seemed a caricature to me, and a caricature of a cartoon at that. I'm not at all claiming to be fair or reasoned in this, just describing my feelings. I don't have time for every song ever put out by every band ever, and I loved the mid-period Priest so much that I have my fix when I need it.
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In Boogie Nights, when Dirk is pimping himself out, the gay-basher that pulls up in the truck is listening to Jawbreaker. Thought that was a clever touch.
Going back a ways to the Rob v. Bruce thing, there's no question that Rob had the better range. Bruce couldn't have sang Dreamer Deceiver or Epitaph on his best day. At the same time, Rob's been in a steady state of decline since the late 80s. Saddens me enough that I don't even bother going to see them anymore. Bruce, on the other hand, seems to get better each year. If the question is who was better in their prime, Rob gets it, but that prime lasted about 2 years or so.
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Is the reason People don't like Jugulator because of Ripper Owens? Because it's a great album, I I believe simply suffers from replacement singer syndrome. After Painkiller i think a lot of people would want something even more brutal, and Jugulator is that album.
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Is the reason People don't like Jugulator because of Ripper Owens? Because it's a great album, I I believe simply suffers from replacement singer syndrome. After Painkiller i think a lot of people would want something even more brutal, and Jugulator is that album.
Maybe that's why I got lost. I don't want more "brutal" with Priest. This will be sacrilege to some, but I think Scott Travis was a drop off, because he was more a quintessential "METAL" drummer, with the double bass drums and all. I even thought Painkiller was too much a reaction to the (too) soft Turbo.
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Turbo is mostly disliked and the title track only survives in the setlist, but next time around I would love for them to dust off the hidden gem of this album: Reckless. I love that song.
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My favourite track on Turbo is Rock You All Around The World.
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There are a ton of them and I think it's mainly because I am able to listen to music from bands that have been around a long time
without feeling the need to compare their early works with later day albums.
For instance Priest's last 3 albums are awesome. I remember reading so many bad reviews of Nostradamus but I really love that
album. All Journey's post Steve Perry albums are great too.
Then you have some more unknown albums like UPO's first album and a slew of early 90's hair metal albums that never reached
the height of popularity that they would have if not for grunge...Cry Wolf, Cold Sweat, Tyketto, Sayara.
I could go on and on...:)
ughhh...this was meant for the albums you like but feel nobody else appreciates.
Fail...at least my post talked about Priest :laugh:
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Is the reason People don't like Jugulator because of Ripper Owens? Because it's a great album, I I believe simply suffers from replacement singer syndrome. After Painkiller i think a lot of people would want something even more brutal, and Jugulator is that album.
Maybe that's why I got lost. I don't want more "brutal" with Priest. This will be sacrilege to some, but I think Scott Travis was a drop off, because he was more a quintessential "METAL" drummer, with the double bass drums and all. I even thought Painkiller was too much a reaction to the (too) soft Turbo.
All Priest albums are reactionary. I don't think it's so much a reaction to their own work, but the popular music of the time. They haven't been interested in doing their own thing since '78 or so. Everything since then has been chasing a sound. That applies to their drummers, as well. Remember that Dave Holland was hired on because Les Binks was far too fucking awesome to play the more radio friendly stuff they were interested in. That lasted until the music changed beyond Holland's abilities.
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I think it's reactionary to themselves too. Take Redeemer for example, definitely a reaction to the lukewarm reception for Nostradamus.
Turbo isn't bad, Out In the Cold is one of their best songs.
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Turbo on a whole IMO is fabulous.
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I think it's reactionary to themselves too. Take Redeemer for example, definitely a reaction to the lukewarm reception for Nostradamus.
Turbo isn't bad, Out In the Cold is one of their best songs.
I saw Nostradamus as them actually trying to do their own thing. When it didn't work out they went back to what was expected. That's still a reaction to the audience, though. However the albums since Rob's return have been less reactionary to the popular music of the time. Seems now they just want to recreate what made them famous, which is understandable.
And OitC is a great song. It's a damn shame they didn't latch onto that as a live staple instead of Turbo Lover.
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Out in the Cold is the clear standout on Turbo, IMO.
Reckless and Turbo Lover are both good. Hot for Love is pretty good.
The rest is mostly blah.
In Boogie Nights, when Dirk is pimping himself out, the gay-basher that pulls up in the truck is listening to Jawbreaker. Thought that was a clever touch.
Damn, I never noticed that.
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Turbo on a whole IMO is fabulous.
I agree
Out in the Cold and Reckless are the standouts for me
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I think it's reactionary to themselves too. Take Redeemer for example, definitely a reaction to the lukewarm reception for Nostradamus.
Turbo isn't bad, Out In the Cold is one of their best songs.
I saw Nostradamus as them actually trying to do their own thing. When it didn't work out they went back to what was expected. That's still a reaction to the audience, though. However the albums since Rob's return have been less reactionary to the popular music of the time. Seems now they just want to recreate what made them famous, which is understandable.
And OitC is a great song. It's a damn shame they didn't latch onto that as a live staple instead of Turbo Lover.
Exactly what I'm saying.
That said, I think it's also possible that they saw Iron Maiden's success with taking more progressive directions while still keeping the fans mostly on board and wanted to try the same thing, but with less successful results.
I saw two shows on the Epitaph tour and there were literally only two songs where most of the audience sat down (even from the back): the Rocka Rolla song and Turbo Lover. I was actually surprised since that song was a minor hit for them in the USA.
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That's weird, whenever I see Judas Priest and they play Turbo Lover, the crowd is very well into it.
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It's a great song IMO.
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I think it's reactionary to themselves too. Take Redeemer for example, definitely a reaction to the lukewarm reception for Nostradamus.
Turbo isn't bad, Out In the Cold is one of their best songs.
I saw Nostradamus as them actually trying to do their own thing. When it didn't work out they went back to what was expected. That's still a reaction to the audience, though. However the albums since Rob's return have been less reactionary to the popular music of the time. Seems now they just want to recreate what made them famous, which is understandable.
And OitC is a great song. It's a damn shame they didn't latch onto that as a live staple instead of Turbo Lover.
Exactly what I'm saying.
That said, I think it's also possible that they saw Iron Maiden's success with taking more progressive directions while still keeping the fans mostly on board and wanted to try the same thing, but with less successful results.
I saw two shows on the Epitaph tour and there were literally only two songs where most of the audience sat down (even from the back): the Rocka Rolla song and Turbo Lover. I was actually surprised since that song was a minor hit for them in the USA.
Just an outside observation, though, but the post-reunion Maiden is just Maiden keying on one specific aspect of what they've done before. "Nostradamus" was a whole new ball of wax. They'd never done a concept album, never done a "suite" of songs (unless you count that whole "Winter" thing, the low-point of what is otherwise an excellent debut), never done anything even remotely prog. Nostradamus was very different. I can't say that "A Matter of Life And Death" is radically different than the rest of the catalogue.
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True, they were also on that trajectory since the mid 90s, so that sound didn't come out of nowhere. Maybe Priest didn't think about that though.
Though I think a lot of pre-Killing Machine Priest had proggy tendencies and they played around with more conceptual ideas. That was early for Priest however and for them to do something like that this late in their career would be like Maiden getting Paul Di'Anno back and making an aggressive. punk influenced album.
I think the biggest misstep with Nostradamus was the lack of confidence the band had in it. Sure they seemed pretty enthusiastic about it when it was brand new but they hardly played it any songs from it live when it really should've been presented in its entirety at some point. Even just as a one off. Sorry to bring up Maiden again, but compare that to Maiden's confidence in their new material. They defy anyone who thinks their prime ended in 1988 and that their best work is still coming. Not only do they say that, but they show it too by playing so much of the new material live. Priest don't generate that excitement with their new material anymore. Even with Redeemer of Souls, Priest only did 3 songs when just about any of them would work in the setlist. Maiden did 6 new songs on their last tour, three of them being at least 8 minutes long.
Re Turbo: It's a good song but I don't think it has the right energy live.
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Yeah, Priest's setlists are very predictable and set in stone. And I suspect confidence does have something to do with it. Certainly in whether the crowd will like it, but also whether or not they can pull it off. I saw them a few years ago when Whitesnake was opening. Coverdale canceled a few dates, including ours, and the expectation was that they'd bust out a couple of more songs to kill some time. Nope. Same 90 minute set and we're in the car before 2200. It's not like they were having to learn Learning to Live during the soundcheck or anything. Stepping out of their comfort zone just doesn't appear to be within their abilities.
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I think the biggest misstep with Nostradamus was the lack of confidence the band had in it. Sure they seemed pretty enthusiastic about it when it was brand new but they hardly played it any songs from it live when it really should've been presented in its entirety at some point.
They only played two songs: Prophecy and Death. Out of all the possible choices, they went with a relatively lackluster midtempo? why oh why they didn't even try the title track for example??? We'll never know.
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Yeah, Priest's setlists are very predictable and set in stone. And I suspect confidence does have something to do with it. Certainly in whether the crowd will like it, but also whether or not they can pull it off. I saw them a few years ago when Whitesnake was opening. Coverdale canceled a few dates, including ours, and the expectation was that they'd bust out a couple of more songs to kill some time. Nope. Same 90 minute set and we're in the car before 2200. It's not like they were having to learn Learning to Live during the soundcheck or anything. Stepping out of their comfort zone just doesn't appear to be within their abilities.
This is going to seem like I'm slagging them, and I don't mean it that way, since I'm a fan. I really am. But...
I have a couple of songbooks from back in the '80's, and in one of them is a short interview, and Glenn said something like "we play well beneath our abilities, because we're interested in playing what is right for the song." He meant it to say that the band was about songs and music, not technique and flash, but when you couple it with the static setlists, and the - in my opinion only - sort of cartoonish "We're METTLE (because that's how Rob pronounces it in his Midlands accent) to the core, eat my leather!" - image, and it's hard to not get the faint whiff of "calculation" to the whole thing. Like it's all an act. Again, not a bash, because their "act" is still better than 90% of the people that so-called "live it", but still.
For what it's worth, I sometimes feel the same way about AC/DC. I would love to have Angus, Malcolm, KK, Glenn, Rob and Brian sitting around a campfire with a couple cases and see what happens. I bet it would be mindblowing, and there wouldn't be one song with "Rock" in the title.
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Well, that's why I am so conflicted about Judas Priest. It's obvious they have played well below their abilities over the years, and I think that's why I have never rated them as a top band of mine, legends that they are.
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Yea, I'm not surprised to read that. It works for them, but it prevents them from having that extra special thing that makes me love bands like Maiden so much.
I think part of it has to do with them getting mixed receptions whenever they strayed from the straight forward Metal sound. If you look at their trajectory in the 70s: the less progressive and more straightforward Metal they got, the better commercial success they had. They really created their niche in the early 80s and whenever they drastically changed their sound (Turbo, Jugulator, Nostradamus) there was backlash from the fans. At this point, they probably think the only thing that will please fans is that British Steel/Screaming For Vengeance styled straightforward Metal sound.
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But isn't that where Steve Harris and Rod Smallwood come in? I think they are textbook examples of how to run a band: one vision, and if you're not with the program, so be it. There's no "right" to be in Maiden, and you are free to pursue your muse elsewhere (to me, it's not a coincidence that even Adrian, and to a lesser extent Bruce) didn't light up the sky with their extra-Maiden work, even if I happen to enjoy the shit out of both). Here's our setlsit: we're playing the whole new album top to bottom, be there or be square. Oh, wait, this tour? We're reimagining the World Slavery Tour, be there or be square.
I think the Rob/Glenn/KK/Julie Andrews or whatever her name is overthink the "commercial" aspect of things a little too much, in my opinion. The remasters were all about "THE FANS" - the fans this, the fans that - but when the push came to the shove, there were a handful of unreleased songs (I think there were four or so sprinkled across the entire catalogue, one per remaster) I think two or three shows broken up into individual songs on each. Usually listed - sloppily - as "recorded somewhere across the world between '82 and '88". They didn't even restore the "full" Unleashed in the East (there is still "Starbreaker" I think that is unreleased; don't quote me on the title, but there is one song that was on a 12" that didn't make the re-released CD). Really?
Maiden remasters? The first wave was every single, every b-side, and then later a box with (most) every b-side and four complete shows including the LEGENDARY live at Hammersmith on the Beast tour.
I know it's probably not a fair compare, but I just think Maiden delivers 115% and Priest gets to the high 90's, and maybe they'd be more accepted when they stepped out if it rang a little truer and purer. Again, observation, not criticism.
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I wonder what the division of power is in JP.
What Iron Maiden has been able to do over the last 17 years is nothing short of amazing.
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@Stadler https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx-4ae6ZKBQ
Never much cared for the song, but Julie Andrews sings very well, and of course none of us are worthy to even breath the same air as Les Binks.
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@Stadler https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx-4ae6ZKBQ
Never much cared for the song, but Julie Andrews sings very well, and of course none of us are worthy to even breath the same air as Les Binks.
The first 45 seconds of that is about as metal as metal gets. :)
I love that song and that era. That might have kicked off a Priest binge, right there.
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Starbreaker is a brilliant song.
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Starbreaker is a brilliant song.
All this talk of the Sin After Sin album; I think I'm going to spin it soon
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Starbreaker is a brilliant song.
All this talk of the Sin After Sin album; I think I'm going to spin it soon
:metal
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It's never a bad time to listen to Sin After Sin
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Ok, I'm going through Sin After Sin tonight. I've always liked Call For The Priest. It actually reminds me of Desolation Boulevard era Sweet.
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I don't think it's a bad album. I just think it's a good album sandwiched between their two masterpieces. None of it really works for me on the level that Sad Wings or Stained Class does.
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I don't think it's a bad album. I just think it's a good album sandwiched between their two masterpieces. None of it really works for me on the level that Sad Wings or Stained Class does.
I basically agree with this, though Sinner is the song that comes closest. I really love that song, it has one of KK's best solos ever imo, and the energy is just amazing.
That said, nothing Sin After Sin comes close to Victim of Changes, Dreamer Deceiver, Exciter or Beyond the Realms of Death.
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Love "Invader". Actually, all of side one is killer.
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I don't think it's a bad album. I just think it's a good album sandwiched between their two masterpieces. None of it really works for me on the level that Sad Wings or Stained Class does.
I basically agree with this, though Sinner is the song that comes closest. I really love that song, it has one of KK's best solos ever imo, and the energy is just amazing.
That said, nothing Sin After Sin comes close to Victim of Changes, Dreamer Deceiver, Exciter or Beyond the Realms of Death.
Dissident Aggressor stands with any song they've ever wrote, in my opinion.
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Here's a controversial opinion - I'd rather play Sin after sin than Sad wings or Stained class. Sinner, Call for the priest, Diamonds and rust, Last rose of the summer, Dissident aggressor - five fantastic songs. And Starbreaker is pretty good as well.
What drags the other two albums for me is a completely subjective thing. I never went crazy about songs like Victim of changes, Beyond the realms of death, Saints in hell and especially Dream deceiver, I consider them slightly overrated. If we're talking about longer, more epic early Judas Priest stuff, I'd take Run of the mill over those any day.
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Well, given that Diamonds and Rust is a cover - a great cover, but still - I don't count it.
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Sin After Sin is really good, but it dips in the middle. Sinner and Dissident Aggressor are definitely two of their best tunes, however. :metal
Mladen, while not in my top tier of Priest songs, Run of the Mill is definitely pretty great. :tup :tup
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I disagree about the dip in quality in the middle of Sin After Sin. I'll admit Last Rose of Summer, while not a horrible song, is still not one of their best, but Call for the Priest and Raw Deal are two of my favorite tracks on the album. I too would definitely take this album over the two surrounding it, or any other Priest album for that matter.
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Raw Deal is the only low moment on Sin After Sin. The rest of the album is really strong and greater than the previous or following albums. Call For the Priest has some really great moments. I especially love the twin guitar bridge.
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Here's a controversial opinion - I'd rather play Sin after sin than Sad wings or Stained class.
I'd probably agree with this. Definitely Stained Class at least. It's a great album, but to be honest, I never understood the love it got.
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Bumping this for a bit of info - their upcoming album is titled 'Firepower' and will be released in early 2018.
Oh yeah, and some NA tour dates.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/judas-priest-to-release-firepower-album-north-american-tour-announced/
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Freaky, just posted the new album name in the hard rock thread.
Anyway, I'll say it again, I really like the album title and is a classic, old school Priest title.
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I think they could have done better than Firepower. :lol
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Rumour is that KK is going to make a comeback with KK Downing's Power of Fire.
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Cool! I hope we'll get a tracklist and cover artwork soon.
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Redeemer was a solid album but some songs sounded a bit flat production wise. Songs like march of the damned while I still like it could've had a bit more of a punch to it.
I hope firepower is better from a production standpoint but im sure the material will be solid regardless.
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The spring american tour keeps alive the rumor about a tour with Iron Maiden (and Anthrax) in the summer :metal
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The spring american tour keeps alive the rumor about a tour with Iron Maiden (and Anthrax) in the summer :metal
WOW!! Haven't heard that rumor!
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Saw it discussed at other forums more than once. Someone who is acknowledged as an insider of the promoter world and that strongly hinted that indeed there will be an european Maiden summer tour last summer, didn't deny the package, or if he did, I missed if that happened. Crossing fingers!
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Redeemer was a solid album but some songs sounded a bit flat production wise. Songs like march of the damned while I still like it could've had a bit more of a punch to it.
I hope firepower is better from a production standpoint but im sure the material will be solid regardless.
The production killed it for me. Some of the worst production I've ever heard. Andy Sneap doing this one so I'm sure it will sound amazing.
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The spring american tour keeps alive the rumor about a tour with Iron Maiden (and Anthrax) in the summer :metal
WOW!! Haven't heard that rumor!
What does that look like? Maiden sold out arenas without an issue, as a headliner. I don't see them opening for Priest at this point. Priest opening for Maiden? I'd go see that in a heartbeat (Cram! Keep your membership active!!!), but is that really happening?
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Iron Maiden most likely will tour Europe next summer... so if Judas Priest are on the bill, they'll come over after doing the US in the spring. Sorry folks on the other side of the pond!
(And yeah, if that should ever happen, Iron Maiden will be headliners, or at the very least, close the night after Priest did their full set)
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I was under the impression that they did something similar to a farewell tour few years ago?
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I was under the impression that they did something similar to a farewell tour few years ago?
Yep. That's the tour I saw them on.
It started out as a retirement tour. Then it turned into a retirement from big world tours tour. Then after that they made another album and went on a big world tour lol.
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Actually they didn't even went back on their words.
"This is the farewell tour!"
[A couple of years pass]
"Hey guys, we're doing another album and tour"
;D
BTW - That "Epitaph" tour was glorious. Probably their best show I've seen :metal
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Actually they didn't even went back on their words.
"This is the farewell tour!"
[A couple of years pass]
"Hey guys, we're doing another album and tour"
;D
BTW - That "Epitaph" tour was glorious. Probably their best show I've seen :metal
It was the first concert I ever went to. Awesome 2 and a half hour set with most of my favorite songs.
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That was a fantastic concert. I never thought I'd see Priest again, but then they delivered another fine show two years ago. And now there's a chance to catch them live again, which is fantastic. :metal
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That Farewell Tour in 2014 was the end for me. They've been through a couple of times since then, and I find the whole thing too depressing to support. Watching Rob struggle (really struggle) and the rest of the band go through the motions isn't how I want to remember them. Kenny was right to quit when he did.
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That Farewell Tour in 2014 was the end for me. They've been through a couple of times since then, and I find the whole thing too depressing to support. Watching Rob struggle (really struggle) and the rest of the band go through the motions isn't how I want to remember them. Kenny was right to quit when he did.
For all the shows I've seen I've only seen them once, and then it was back in the day (Screaming... tour). I don't know that I want to see them now, I really don't. Look, I have nothing bad to say about any of them - and I REALLY liked both Nostradamus and the newest one - but they're a band that are really of a time for me. I think I'd rather have my memories of that time when I was listening to Screaming... after just having gotten British Steel, Stained Class and Point of Entry (I love that album, by the way). I never really embraced the whole "metal god" thing, it was a little cartoony for me, and if they can't really do it justice, it's not really the same.
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Some years ago, just after Halford rejoined or short after, they came here and Queensryche was the opening act. I walked out of the stadium after QR as I didn't want to hear Halford not in his prime. Getting him back was financially wise but in terms of longevity of the band and their live performance not so much. At the time I thought they did it for the cash grab before they retire. I wish I was right - nothing I've heard since Halford's return sounds good nor fresh to me. And most of the live stuff is just sad.
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Trivial question: since Rob Halford changes clothes on stage (and I want to wear basically all of them) the same frequency of Lady Gaga or Madonna, do you think in the crew there's a "wardrobe guy" for him? I can totally imagine someone being backstage with the setlist and the order of the clothes, ready to help him to take away the previous one and put the next one ;D
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Trivial question: since Rob Halford changes clothes on stage (and I want to wear basically all of them) the same frequency of Lady Gaga or Madonna, do you think in the crew there's a "wardrobe guy" for him? I can totally imagine someone being backstage with the setlist and the order of the clothes, ready to help him to take away the previous one and put the next one ;D
He changes clothes now? Never noticed. However, I think all touring acts have somebody in charge of that. Somebody has to make sure laundry gets done and their stage clothes are in the right place. Particularly since so many bands tend to wear the same thing each night now.
Some years ago, just after Halford rejoined or short after, they came here and Queensryche was the opening act. I walked out of the stadium after QR as I didn't want to hear Halford not in his prime. Getting him back was financially wise but in terms of longevity of the band and their live performance not so much. At the time I thought they did it for the cash grab before they retire. I wish I was right - nothing I've heard since Halford's return sounds good nor fresh to me. And most of the live stuff is just sad.
That was actually an excellent show. Rob wasn't the same as he was in 84, of course, but he was still perfectly good. Belted out Painkiller like he was trying to summon the antichrist. It started going downhill pretty fast, though.
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He wears like 10 different trench coats for 16 songs of setlist. That's why I was picturing a wardrobe guy with all the clothes in setlist order just to help him out, justl ike there's a guitar tech with the guitars lined up according to the songs.
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I was under the impression that they did something similar to a farewell tour few years ago?
Yep. That's the tour I saw them on.
It started out as a retirement tour. Then it turned into a retirement from big world tours tour. Then after that they made another album and went on a big world tour lol.
A friend of mine saw The Who on their farewell tour...in 1982. :eek :eek :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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I think halford sounds pretty damn good for his age. He pretty much knocked it out of the park when i saw them. And i really enjoyed the live CD they put out last year.
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I thought Rob did an excellent job when I saw them two years ago. And Redeemer of Souls was a fantastic album. I figured that might have been the last album from the band, so this is just a big bonus that we are getting another one.
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so this is just a big bonus that we are getting another one.
Right. Like UFO for me, I don't waste time critiquing their...um.. mediocre albums. It's all gravy at this point. The fact like a band like Saxon keeps putting out great release after great release is amazing.
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Exactly. I'll take anything they release and be pleased.
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I thought Rob did an excellent job when I saw them two years ago.
Me too. I didn't like his performance in 2011 that much, but he blew us away the last time. :metal
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I think halford sounds pretty damn good for his age. He pretty much knocked it out of the park when i saw them. And i really enjoyed the live CD they put out last year.
Last time I saw him he was quite good, from Okay-ish to brilliant at times. I was quite near the stage, he was walking towards my side during Beyond the Realms of Death, and he was basically in front of me when he pulled out the scream in "The wind kissed him goodbye... AND THEN HE DIEEEEEEED" :metal
Badass moment.
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Just got a text that Priest and Saxon have a pretty big tour scheduled for the Spring. Certainly wouldn't preclude a European tour with Maiden, though. However, it'll probably just be both bands playing the festival circuit.
Confirmed dates:
Mar. 13 - Wilkes Barre, PA - Mohegan Sun Arena at Casey Plaza
Mar. 15 - Youngstown, OH - Covelli Centre
Mar. 17 - Uniondale, NY - Nassau Coliseum
Mar. 18 - Washington, DC - The Anthem
Mar. 20 - Newark, NJ - Prudential Center
Mar. 22 - Uncasville, CT - Mohegan Sun Arena
Mar. 25 - Ottawa, ON - The Arena at TD Place
Mar. 27 - London, ON - Budweiser Gardens
Mar. 28 - Oshawa, ON - Tribute Communities Centre
Mar. 30 - Orillia, ON - Casino Rama
Mar. 31 - Detroit, MI - Detroit Masonic Temple
Apr. 03 - Milwaukee, WI - Riverside Theater
Apr. 05 - Green Bay, WI - Resch Center
Apr. 08 - Bloomington, IL - Grossinger Motors Arena
Apr. 10 - Casper, WY - Casper Events Center
Apr. 11 - Loveland, CO - Budweiser Events Center
Apr. 15 - Kent, WA - ShoWare Center
Apr. 17 - Portland, OR - Veterans Memorial Coliseum
Apr. 19 - San Francisco - The Warfield
Apr. 22 - Los Angeles, CA - Microsoft Theater
Apr. 24 - Phoenix, AZ - Comerica Theatre
Apr. 26 - Tulsa, OK - BOK Center
Apr. 28 - Dallas, TX - The Bomb Factory
Apr. 29 - Sugarland, TX - Smart Financial Centre
May 01 - San Antonio, TX - Freeman Coliseum
Read more at https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/saxon-and-black-star-riders-to-support-judas-priest-on-firepower-north-american-tour.html#c1woDfbK4qMGiGxb.99
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Hah..speaking of Saxon! ;D
Yeah, their new album comes out right before that too. That's a great lineup.
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New song/video:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CUzcxJNZKC4 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CUzcxJNZKC4)
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Just like Accept and Saxon, its what you would expect from Priest. Basic cool heavy metal song. Nothing new but still kicks ass.
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Pretty cool song.
Not sure about the album cover though.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP4DWjaUEAAJ59j.jpg)
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The song sounds similar to the ones on the previous album. It's heavy, features a pretty much signature Priest style, but isn't too memorable.
Wikipedia lists Bruce Dickinson as a guest singer on one song on the new album, but I can't find the source for that. Does anyone know where that story comes from?
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It’s ok. Something I would expect from Hammerfall tbh.
Sounds better than Redeemer. And I’d rather listen to Rob than watch him these days...
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Tracklist:
1. Firepower
2. Lightning Strike
3. Evil Never Dies
4. Never The Heroes
5. Necromancer
6. Children of the Sun
7. Guardians
8. Rising From Ruins
9. Flame Thrower
10. Spectre
11. Traitors Gate
12. No Surrender
13. Lone Wolf
14. Sea of Red
From titles alone, I'm interested in Evil Never Dies, Never the Heroes, Necromancer and Traitors Gate.
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Pretty cool song.
Not sure about the album cover though.
I fixed it for you Zydar.
(https://i.imgur.com/YL1kjiZ.jpg)
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Ah thanks.
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It’s ok. Something I would expect from Hammerfall tbh.
:lol
I have a confession. I have paid ZERO attention to JP since Rob came back.
But I like the new song.
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I have paid ZERO attention to JP since Rob came back.
I bought Angel of Retribution and still like about half of the songs from it, but I only gave a few songs from Nostradamus one courtesy listen each (blah to all of them), and I have never heard anything from that album they did 3-4 years ago. The departure of Downing and the decline of Halford's voice sucked all of the fun away from being a fan.
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I have paid ZERO attention to JP since Rob came back.
I bought Angel of Retribution and still like about half of the songs from it, but I only gave a few songs from Nostradamus one courtesy listen each (blah to all of them),
Though I never bought them, I actually have the files to both albums on my iPod, though I don't think I've ever listened to them...
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I'm not a huge Judas Priest fanboy (I like a few of their songs, but I haven't really listened to a lot of their albums, mainly just Painkiller), but I'm digging this song. It's not breaking new ground or revolutionizing the genre or anything, but it's a decent song with a pretty cool (if straight-forward) riff. I might check out the album when it drops, if I remember. The album artwork looks really goofy tho, as expected.
Also, honestly, the video for this song made me realize just how goofy metal bands are. I always thought they were a little silly, but the constant tough-guy/hardcore imaging is something I cannot even take remotely seriously.
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I think the new song is really good and already sounding better than most of ROS. Although, the main riff and verse is Priest, but every other part of the song sounds like it's from Halford's solo band, Halford IV specifically.
Looks like most of the leads will be handled by Richie just like ROS, going by this track.
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Also, honestly, the video for this song made me realize just how goofy metal bands are. I always thought they were a little silly, but the constant tough-guy/hardcore imaging is something I cannot even take remotely seriously.
There's no point to this video or any metal videos these days, so I take no notice. Saying that, this has been Priest's image for decades now so it's who they are. Sure it's silly on these old fellas these days, but I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Also, honestly, the video for this song made me realize just how goofy metal bands are. I always thought they were a little silly, but the constant tough-guy/hardcore imaging is something I cannot even take remotely seriously.
There's no point to this video or any metal videos these days, so I take no notice. Saying that, this has been Priest's image for decades now so it's who they are. Sure it's silly on these old fellas these days, but I wouldn't have it any other way.
Indeed. THEY created this image (Rob Halford specifically), and if there's a band allowed to take it still to the extreme, it's them.
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Also, honestly, the video for this song made me realize just how goofy metal bands are. I always thought they were a little silly, but the constant tough-guy/hardcore imaging is something I cannot even take remotely seriously.
There's no point to this video or any metal videos these days, so I take no notice. Saying that, this has been Priest's image for decades now so it's who they are. Sure it's silly on these old fellas these days, but I wouldn't have it any other way.
Indeed. THEY created this image (Rob Halford specifically), and if there's a band allowed to take it still to the extreme, it's them.
Actually, to be honest, I don't really see anything that silly with what they wear and their stage show these days. i don't find it over the top, as we said, just staying true with who they are.
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I actually would love to have Rob's wardrobe :lol
I think that among the roadies there must be one dedicated to that only. No way he changes all by himself, there must be someone backstage with the wardrobe ready and the setlist with indications of which outfit goes with which song, and being there ready to help Rob change at a moment's notice!
"What do you do?"
"I tour with a metal band"
"Oh, cool! and what do you specifically do?"
"I help the singer to change" :lol
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Also, honestly, the video for this song made me realize just how goofy metal bands are. I always thought they were a little silly, but the constant tough-guy/hardcore imaging is something I cannot even take remotely seriously.
There's no point to this video or any metal videos these days, so I take no notice. Saying that, this has been Priest's image for decades now so it's who they are. Sure it's silly on these old fellas these days, but I wouldn't have it any other way.
Indeed. THEY created this image (Rob Halford specifically), and if there's a band allowed to take it still to the extreme, it's them.
Actually, to be honest, I don't really see anything that silly with what they wear and their stage show these days. i don't find it over the top, as we said, just staying true with who they are.
Look, huge Priest fan, and have been since the early 80's. I prefer the Holland years, and that period right before (the Binks years) and have seen them live. While I understand the whole "they who did it first ought to reap the rewards" with respect to things like the RnRHoF, I always thought Priest were a little cartoon-y with the whole "metal god" thing. I know, I know, coming from a Kiss fan; but the Kiss thing is SOOOOOO over the top that it defies comparison. Back then, before Family Jewels, MTV, The Elder, and Kiss Koffins, Gene was scary. He was terrifying. He didn't speak (or rarely). He comes on Mike Douglas and sits there with his legs open grunting... it was something else, man. Priest, though... I don't know. I love their music (the run from Point of Entry through Defenders is as good as any band in metal, bar none) but there was always a fake-ness to them that the real metal guys did a better job of hiding (Ozzy's another one; before The Osbournes, when he was the REAL Prince of Darkness, he was legendary). I remember reading a guitar interview and Glenn offhandedly said "Oh, we play well below our abilities in Priest". Wha? You're metal guys. Intense. Balls to the wall. Hell bent for leather. British fucking steel, and you're half-assing it?
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Maybe not half assing it, but more keeping it straightforward and easier, in tone with the style they're playing. I'm sure they skilled musicians enough to write an intricate prog metal song if they ever wanted to.
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Dunno, a lot of times Glenn will play more intricate stuff stuff on the album and then not be able to replicate it live. I figured they were already pushing themselves to their musical limits.
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Also, honestly, the video for this song made me realize just how goofy metal bands are. I always thought they were a little silly, but the constant tough-guy/hardcore imaging is something I cannot even take remotely seriously.
There's no point to this video or any metal videos these days, so I take no notice. Saying that, this has been Priest's image for decades now so it's who they are. Sure it's silly on these old fellas these days, but I wouldn't have it any other way.
A lot of younger bands are just as bad about this imo. Metalcore bands especially tend to be full of young'ns that try to be "tough" and "edgy" in videos. When I'm watching any type of metal music video, instead of thinking "wow these guys are so tough and hardcore" I end up thinking "wow these guys are dorks". You could almost play bingo with all the tough guy tropes that get overused. Leather? Check. Spikes? Check. Bad CGI fire? Check. Shaky camerawork and jumpy edits? Check. Red and black just everywhere? Check. Singer does "the orb"? Check. Making faces that look like they just ate a bunch of sour candy? Check.
You could give these guys in particular a little slack, I guess, since they're basically the Seinfeld of the metal band image. But 95% of the other metal bands should learn how to make decent videos.
I actually would love to have Rob's wardrobe :lol
I think that among the roadies there must be one dedicated to that only. No way he changes all by himself, there must be someone backstage with the wardrobe ready and the setlist with indications of which outfit goes with which song, and being there ready to help Rob change at a moment's notice!
"What do you do?"
"I tour with a metal band"
"Oh, cool! and what do you specifically do?"
"I help the singer to change" :lol
Actually, that probably is the case. I know it's fairly common in pop to have people to help the singer do a quick change in between numbers.
Peter Gabriel probably had like 112[citation needed].
I remember reading a guitar interview and Glenn offhandedly said "Oh, we play well below our abilities in Priest". Wha? You're metal guys. Intense. Balls to the wall. Hell bent for leather. British fucking steel, and you're half-assing it?
I can see the reasoning behind that. I remember reading that people tore apart Yngwie Malmsteen for shoe-horning technique into every song and ending up sounding like a one-trick pony who only focused on playing fast scales/arpeggios. Keeping things more conservative makes it easier to recreate songs live, can make the more technical moments stand-out more and feel more "special", and makes your music somewhat more accessible. A simple riff can sometimes be just as intense as a technical riff, if not more-so.
Besides, and this is a side-point, I don't know if there's that much new ground to be broken in metal technical playing. You already have bands like Animals As Leaders, Meshuggah, Dream Theater, Symphony X, and Dragonforce pushing it near its limit. I'm usually wary about making comparisons between metal and classical music, but it's fairly mirror with what has already happened with classical piano. You have composers like Rachmaninoff, Bach, Mozart, Chopin, and Liszt and pieces like Bartok and Prokofiev's Piano Concertos pushing the musician's ability to its limit. The only things that have been able to move past these technical behemoths are things like Sorabji's Opus Clavicembalisticum which emphasize technique to the point of sacrificing any musicality. Basically at this point, how technical can you be without being a gimmick?
Also, it should be noted that Judas Priest's music (and metal in general) is already fairly difficult to play well. I don't see any reason to make it more technical than it is.
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Dunno, a lot of times Glenn will play more intricate stuff stuff on the album and then not be able to replicate it live. I figured they were already pushing themselves to their musical limits.
Perhaps he means other aspects of their music, but yeah, with his leads, he does some really tricky shit a lot of the time. From a technical point of view he's a really underrated guitarist and some of his solos are mind blowing.
I also think that Priest play quite close to their limits. Maybe from a guitar rhythm point perhaps not, but not by much.
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Dunno, a lot of times Glenn will play more intricate stuff stuff on the album and then not be able to replicate it live. I figured they were already pushing themselves to their musical limits.
Perhaps he means other aspects of their music, but yeah, with his leads, he does some really tricky shit a lot of the time. From a technical point of view he's a really underrated guitarist and some of his solos are mind blowing.
I also think that Priest play quite close to their limits. Maybe from a guitar rhythm point perhaps not, but not by much.
Well, I don't know. My first band, first show, we played six songs and two were Living After Midnight and United. Look, I'm not bagging on the music - KISS FAN FOR GOD'S SAKE - I'm just saying that there was always something... I don't know... calculated about Priest that I never got from Maiden or Sabbath or even early Kiss.
Like when they did their remasters, and each album had two bonus tracks and the live ones were credited to being recorded "somewhere across the world on one of our many world tours" or some nonsense like that, when most of the live songs were from two or three well known and later released-in-full shows.
I don't know; I don't have a lot invested in this argument, as I love them and still listen to albums like Point of Entry and Defenders of the Faith to this day (actually more than some other bands that I probably "like" better).
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I think Priest often played to the strengths of their drummer. Les Binks and Simon Phillips had Jazz backgrounds and allowed the band to flex their musical muscles. When they brought in Dave Holland, it was a conscious effort to have a simpler less groovy/technical sound. When Scott Travis came in, they were able to do more complicated stuff again and, because he's so talented and versatile, they can pretty much do whatever at this point.
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Speaking of drummers: Dave Holland passed away last week. Found out randomly after seeing a post on FB. Sad ending to an horrible fall from grace given his stint in prison.
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Wow I didn't know he passed away.
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Speaking of drummers: Dave Holland passed away last week. Found out randomly after seeing a post on FB. Sad ending to an horrible fall from grace given his stint in prison.
WOW, I didn't hear that either. Was he still in prison? Was it natural or as a consequence of his troubles (child molesters don't always have a smooth time in the joint).
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I think he'd been out of the can for a while. He only did a few years, as I recall. I'm surprised his death didn't get any more coverage, though. Priest has un-personed him, so he'd get no recognition there, but he did some other stuff, as well. Certainly Trapeze with Glenn Hughes got him some attention.
In any case, he's looked pretty terrible for a while. He never struck me as a particularly healthy guy.
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Wow, I didn't know that either.
In any case, he's looked pretty terrible for a while. He never struck me as a particularly healthy guy.
Yeah the last pics I saw he looked pretty shit. What a terrible fall from grace indeed.
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Damn, after reading up a bit more on the whole thing it's pretty sad. I bag on Dave Holland a lot because I'm a huge Les Binks fan, but he's gotten a really raw deal over the years. At this point he's known as a child molester and ex-Priest drummer, and that's not really fair, and only half accurate. Because of the genre of music he made his bones in, and the assumptions people made about the alleged crime, he becomes highly despised when it's honestly not warranted.
About the only good thing from all of this is that he seemed to have the resources to run out the clock in Northern Spain, out of the limelight, which is presumably what he wanted.
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Statement from Judas Priest:
"It is with regret that we hear of the passing of Dave Holland. Despite his actions since working with the band, his time with us was amongst the most productive and successful in the band's career and for that alone he shall be missed."
And from K.K. Downing:
"It is with deep regret that I have to accept the sudden and unexpected news that Dave Holland has passed away. Dave was a solid friend in life and solid musician both on the stage and in the studio; I will cherish the many gigs we played together and the albums that we made and I will always be grateful to the indelible contribution that Dave gave to Judas Priest. My sincere condolences to all of Dave's loved ones family and friends and to all of the fans that so much appreciated Dave's musical ability and his life's work. R.I.P. Dave."
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Well, nice to see that they simply didn't pretend he was never there and acknowledged the good memories and music he left behind.
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Yeah, I statement from the band was pretty nice considering they pretended he didn't exist anymore.
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Onward to more positive things.
This year marks one of the probably most unnoticed and minor anniversaries for the band: it's ten years since their epic double concept album, Nostradamus!
Now that it's in the past, what's the general opinion of this album? I loved it back then and I love it now. Sure, I can concede that the second disc is far weaker than the first, but just like DT with The Astonishing, they showed huge courage in their desire to break off the beaten path (and Priest were even more daring, 'cause they never ever attempted something even remotely close to this, while DT are prog and they already made Scenes, and they were just into their second album after the reunion), and the result was ranging from good to excellent, with the occasional little cheese here and there.
The title track is among their best anthemic and fast paced songs, and Prophecy is an addictive opener as any. Revelations, Pestilence and Plague, Conquest are solid pieces that would have elevated the other recent albums, and Lost Love is such an atmospheric and poetic songs in the vein of early soft pieces such as Before the Dawn.
At least DT actually went out to play the album in full. To go from "Priest will record a douple concept album about Nostradamus to be performed in its entirety" to play only two songs live - the opener and, head scratchingly, a slow and half boring middle tempo song, Death, while the wonderful title track, even more WTFingly, was played only as outro tape, was a bit sad.
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That was around the time I started to await for my favorite bands to release new albums. I just became a Priest fan in early 2007, so Nostradamus was the big thing. I remember buying it the day it was released during my vacation in Greece and spending the entire holiday listening to almost nothing but Nostradamus. Songs like Prophecy, Lost love, Future of manking, Alone and the title track stuck immediately. I also like Conquest, Visions, New beginnings and Pestilence and plague quite a bit.
The rest is mostly underwhelming and I have to say that the shorter songs somewhat kill the mood for me. It's still a solid album overall, one that I haven't returned to in a long time but might as well give it a spin in anticipation of the forthcoming release. Anyway, happy anniversary to a brave and forgotten album. :tup
Also, I find the second disc GREATLY supperior to the first one.
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Nostradamus is actually my favourite Priest album, with Sad Wings of Destiny being close second. I don't think any of discs drag, there's just a lot of great material, ballads and rockers alike. I'm baffled by all the hate this record gets.
I'm also baffled by their choice of songs to play live. I would've picked something along the lines of title track, Persecution, Exiled, Pestilence and Plague/Revelations and perhaps Alone for a somewhat-ballady song.
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It's aged okay over time, but I disliked it when it came out. The shortened version I made which cuts all the bloat and filler makes it much better and quite enjoyable.
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It's aged okay over time, but I disliked it when it came out. The shortened version I made which cuts all the bloat and filler makes it much better and quite enjoyable.
I too did an abridged version, I kept all the songs but made some long cuts to the lesser ones, to get over them quickly so to speak. It runs for 74 minutes if I remember correctly, one day I should bring it out again.
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It's aged okay over time, but I disliked it when it came out. The shortened version I made which cuts all the bloat and filler makes it much better and quite enjoyable.
I too did an abridged version, I kept all the songs but made some long cuts to the lesser ones, to get over them quickly so to speak. It runs for 74 minutes if I remember correctly, one day I should bring it out again.
Mine was;
Dawn of Creation
Prophecy
Awakening
Revelations
Pestilence and Plague
Conquest
Persecution
Exiled
Alone
Shadows in the Flame
Visions
Nostradamus
Future of Manking
Goes for approx 68 minutes.
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Prophecy is a kick ass tune. It was a great opener to the show when they were touring Nostradamus.
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I always consider it a heresy to cut down double conceptual albums, but I'll give this one a go just for the sake of making a playlist, NOT a short version of the album:
Dawn of creation
Prophecy
Pestilance and plague
Conquest
Lost love
Alone
Visions
Hope
A New beginning
Nostradamus
Future of manking
That's one fine playlist. ;)
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I haven't really come to grips fully with this album yet, but I'm revisiting it right now. There's some fine songs here, if you trim away some stuff. I'm using Wolfking's tracklist.
I'd forgotten how great Pestilence And Plague is :metal
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Dunno, a lot of times Glenn will play more intricate stuff stuff on the album and then not be able to replicate it live. I figured they were already pushing themselves to their musical limits.
Perhaps he means other aspects of their music, but yeah, with his leads, he does some really tricky shit a lot of the time. From a technical point of view he's a really underrated guitarist and some of his solos are mind blowing.
I also think that Priest play quite close to their limits. Maybe from a guitar rhythm point perhaps not, but not by much.
Well, I don't know. My first band, first show, we played six songs and two were Living After Midnight and United. Look, I'm not bagging on the music - KISS FAN FOR GOD'S SAKE - I'm just saying that there was always something... I don't know... calculated about Priest that I never got from Maiden or Sabbath or even early Kiss.
Like when they did their remasters, and each album had two bonus tracks and the live ones were credited to being recorded "somewhere across the world on one of our many world tours" or some nonsense like that, when most of the live songs were from two or three well known and later released-in-full shows.
I don't know; I don't have a lot invested in this argument, as I love them and still listen to albums like Point of Entry and Defenders of the Faith to this day (actually more than some other bands that I probably "like" better).
So have you ever heard Sad Wings or Stained Class? That’s the real Priest, dead serious and not cartoonish at all. They deliberately dumbed down their sound with Holland for commercial appeal.
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I did a Kiss thing not long ago, where I talked about all the albums and rated them, and I threatened to do that for Priest. I'm actually a big fan of all Priest, from Rocka Rolla (I LOVE that record; the only part that doesn't work for me is the quasi-Hendrixian noise of "Deep Freeze"). Side two of that album is as good as any album side in the catalogue.
I'll agree with you that it's a phenomenon that came about later, but there's just a whiff of "pandering" that, say, Maiden never had.
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I don’t know much about the details of Priest’s history in terms of how they settled on their early sound, but it definitely seemed like there was a certain level of a calculated image to sell their music. They went from hippie wannabes to leather clad rockers in the span of a few years, total change in direction.
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Well, when they started there wasn't much else of an image to adopt, I believe they were the first anyway to introduce that image in metal... Didn't the very early version of Black Sabbath adopt a more "hippie" look before donning the crosses and the black dresses?
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yes. Geezer has long said that Sabbath was really a bunch of hippies that sort of looked at the world a little darker than most other hippies.
The pictures on the back of the early Priest albums have Rob in a flowing white shirt - if you're a Seinfeld fan, you'd call it a "puffy shirt".
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Around Killing Machine they started chasing after the popular sound and didn't really stop until the reunited with Rob, at which point they focused on going back to their own roots. I certainly preferred them when they were original and just being Priest, with Stained Class pretty much being the high water mark. It just seemed like they traded in their originality for some added popularity. The sequence of Screaming-Defenders-Turbo-Ram-Painkiller is a textbook example of rolling with the popular style at the time. Occasionally they did great with it, Defenders, and occasionally they sucked with it, Turbo.
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K.K Downing is releasing a memoir about his years in Judas Priest, September 18.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/former-judas-priest-guitarist-k-k-downing-to-release-heavy-duty-days-and-nights-in-judas-priest-memoir/
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New song;
https://youtu.be/6QtjdDiMLVg
I don't know, not bad, but sounds pretty generic and a lot like ROS.
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You're right Wolf.
But generic Judas Priest is still kick ass metal.
At this point I'll take any Priest that I can get and be happy with it lol
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I like it! Some Painkiller vibes... :metal
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You're right Wolf.
But generic Judas Priest is still kick ass metal.
At this point I'll take any Priest that I can get and be happy with it lol
True bro.
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Firepower might be better than any of the songs released on the previous album. The verses are as great as the chorus, there are some fantastic guitar harmonies, and the drums are pretty menacing. :metal
We'll see how the rest of the album will come out.
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Just seen from Priests Facebook that Glenn Tipton won’t be playing much on the tour. He has Parkinson’s and can’t play most of the material. Andy Sneap will deputise.
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialJudasPriest/posts/10156029516983965
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Wow! I just read it :-\
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Just seen from Priests Facebook that Glenn Tipton won’t be playing much on the tour. He has Parkinson’s and can’t play most of the material. Andy Sneap will deputise.
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialJudasPriest/posts/10156029516983965
Holy cow, Glenn's been dealing with Parkinson's for the past decade?! Did he ever come out and talk about that before now? The man is a total champ considering how many tours he's done with the band over the past decade in the meantime.
Andy Sneap will definitely play Glenn's parts right, I'm sure of it. :metal
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Damn, that hurt.
No Downing and no Tipton? maybe it's time to hang it up, as much as Rob is THE image of Priest and of the entire scene, the whole thing was about the dual guitar attack as well.
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Yeah I don't see them continuing on past the new album and the following tour for it, if Glenn can't do it anymore.
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My heart is breaking. I always thought it was weird that Richie handled most of the solos on ROS and I always had some suspicion and thought it was just Glenn slowing down a little but never thought this. One of my top 5 guitar players, so sad and hopefully he can keep fighting as long as he can. Andy Sneap has some big shoes to fill.
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I knew something was wrong with him. He looked fine on the Epitaph tour ( which now that I think about it his diagnoses may have been one of the reasons for the tour) but I noticed when they were touring for ROS he looked far more frail on stage than he did just a couple years prior. For a while I was thinking he might've had a mild stroke that he was keeping secret. I never thought it would be something like this though.
If glenn wants the band to continue I will continue to support priest in whatever they do. Whether it be one last hurrah or continue as a band with Glenn helping out on the sideline and occasionally making an appearance if he feels up to it.
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Firepower will be extra special now, I'm assuming this will be the last Priest album for sure. For Glenn to be dealing with this for a decade and still touring and playing as much as Priest did, that's an amazing feat.
Total respect for Glenn :metal
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Wow, what a shock. Hmm. I wonder if KK's decision was in any way related to this?
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I remember him looking really frail when I saw the band on Redeemer of souls tour, but I just though he was old, simple as that.
It's coming to me that some friends of mine mentioned he might have Parkinsons judging from what we saw of him in that concert. Needless to say, I didn't even stop to think what that might mean. That's some bad news right there.
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What gave your friends that idea, if you don't mind me asking (I did not see that tour).
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Something about his stiffness and lack of movement, it really did look like was cramped in both his walking on stage and playing. A friend of mine just went "he looks like a Parkinsonian" or whatever you'd call a person with Parkinsons. I also remember that coming off as a joke. So I'm almost as shocked as the rest of you.
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Yeah, you could tell something was up with him but as you guys said, just thought it might have been ageing.
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I guess I'll be the bad guy here, but I'm really glad I haven't purchased tickets yet. I wasn't really keen to see Priest this time around before now as it was just too depressing. Now it's far more so.
I'm very sorry to hear about Glenn and I hope he does well (Parkinsons sucks ass). Hopefully he's a golfer so he can hang out with KKD and enjoy life outside of music.
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I was considering seeing them next month. It's a Friday night so that works out great. But I just saw Saxon a few months ago, and without Tipton (and Downing), there's really not much point.
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Down here tickets are an even bill. I was already having a hard time justifying that essentially just to see Saxon. Now it's money to see Saxon and then have my childhood memories torn asunder.
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I guess I'll be the bad guy here, but I'm really glad I haven't purchased tickets yet. I wasn't really keen to see Priest this time around before now as it was just too depressing. Now it's far more so.
I'm very sorry to hear about Glenn and I hope he does well (Parkinsons sucks ass). Hopefully he's a golfer so he can hang out with KKD and enjoy life outside of music.
I wouldn't see them either without Glen to be honest.
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:sad:
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He's not ruling out doing a couple songs with them. Probably some of the simpler songs like Desert Plains or Breaking the Law.
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He's not ruling out doing a couple songs with them. Probably some of the simpler songs like Desert Plains or Breaking the Law.
Halford's comments;
There's been a lot of emotion today with the announcement, but we're very happy for Glenn, that he's been able to make a decision that's good for him and where he's at right now," Halford said. "Glenn's thing was that this was all about the band. It was the band, the band the band. And we said, 'No, it's about what's best for you,' and he said, 'No, I want what's best for the band.' Which just goes to show you where his heart is at."
"The most important thing is that Glenn is still in JUDAS PRIEST," Rob told Kerrang! "It's just that his role is going to be different. He can't tour, but it's going to be great for fans when he comes out every now and then to do 'Breaking The Law' or 'Living After Midnight'. The love that we've had already has been amazing, and I know when he walks onstage whenever we do that, it's going to be something special."
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I understand the guy not wanting to be personally and solely responsible for Judas Priest to call its quits. Still, no Tipton and no Downing... it's gonna turn Priest into another AC/DC, you go for the brand name and there's one important guy and some other dudes. Not the same at all.
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Let them go on I say, but yeah it's really not going to feel like Priest without Tipton and I've even felt that way since KK left. Priest has always been KK, Glenn and Rob as the main spectacle, Hill and Travis have always been more like the backup band. Yes Hill has been there since the start too, but let's face it, he's no Steve Harris.
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I always got the vibe that Ian Hill enjoys just being in the background and has no problem at all having Rob, Glenn and KK be in the spotlight.
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I always got the vibe that Ian Hill enjoys just being in the background and has no problem at all having Rob, Glenn and KK be in the spotlight.
I do believe this too.
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I'll never get to see the classic lineup. I've seen Priest once and that was on the Demolition tour. The classic band with Ripper fronting. Don't get me wrong, it was an amazing show. I really like the Demolition album, which I only got a few years ago. I was actually at that show more for Anthrax who were opening. I was a distant casual fan of Priest at the time and wasn't sure I was even going to stick around. I did, and it was great.
I've only seen Halford once and that was when he opened for Maiden on the Brave New World tour. Again, a stellar show. The band was fantastic and they played some Priest and Fight tracks.
I always meant to rectify the situation and get out to see Halford fronting them but it just never worked out.
I am also conflicted about no KK and Glenn. I think about would I really want to see Maiden if Adrian and Dave weren't there. It's an easy answer, no.
I've also learned to never say never. Boy, I rambled on here. Anyway, hopefully Glenn doesn't suffer too badly. That's not a fun thing to be fighting.
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The classic band with Ripper fronting.
I don't believe Ripper ever played in a version of Priest with Dave Holland (or if el Barto is reading this, "Les Binks").
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I'll never get to see the classic lineup. I've seen Priest once and that was on the Demolition tour.
This is the only time I saw Priest too. It was my first concert at 17, it was incredible. At the end of the show Glenn locked devil horns with me as I was up on a balcony in the under age section and we were looking at each other eye to eye and he stared at me for at least 10 seconds, I'll never forget it, one of the coolest moments ever and loved the man ever since greatly.
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I'll never get to see the classic lineup. I've seen Priest once and that was on the Demolition tour. The classic band with Ripper fronting. Don't get me wrong, it was an amazing show. I really like the Demolition album, which I only got a few years ago. I was actually at that show more for Anthrax who were opening. I was a distant casual fan of Priest at the time and wasn't sure I was even going to stick around. I did, and it was great.
I've only seen Halford once and that was when he opened for Maiden on the Brave New World tour. Again, a stellar show. The band was fantastic and they played some Priest and Fight tracks.
I always meant to rectify the situation and get out to see Halford fronting them but it just never worked out.
I am also conflicted about no KK and Glenn. I think about would I really want to see Maiden if Adrian and Dave weren't there. It's an easy answer, no.
I've also learned to never say never. Boy, I rambled on here. Anyway, hopefully Glenn doesn't suffer too badly. That's not a fun thing to be fighting.
Pretty sure he played Tyrant on that tour. That right there would make it worth the price of admission. And I think there was a third band (or a second with Rob being third) when they played here. Possibly QR.
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I've seen many incarnations of the band.
Once the Ripper lineup (2001)
Twice the "classic" / Painkiller lineup (Angel of Retribution and Nostradamus tours)
Twice the no-KK lineup (Epitaph and Redeemer of Souls tours)
Damn, did I see Priest "only" five times? it seemed more.
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I saw the Turbo tour, and three times on the Painkiller tour.
I did see Fight in 1993.
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I'll never get to see the classic lineup. I've seen Priest once and that was on the Demolition tour. The classic band with Ripper fronting. Don't get me wrong, it was an amazing show. I really like the Demolition album, which I only got a few years ago. I was actually at that show more for Anthrax who were opening. I was a distant casual fan of Priest at the time and wasn't sure I was even going to stick around. I did, and it was great.
I've only seen Halford once and that was when he opened for Maiden on the Brave New World tour. Again, a stellar show. The band was fantastic and they played some Priest and Fight tracks.
I always meant to rectify the situation and get out to see Halford fronting them but it just never worked out.
I am also conflicted about no KK and Glenn. I think about would I really want to see Maiden if Adrian and Dave weren't there. It's an easy answer, no.
I've also learned to never say never. Boy, I rambled on here. Anyway, hopefully Glenn doesn't suffer too badly. That's not a fun thing to be fighting.
Pretty sure he played Tyrant on that tour. That right there would make it worth the price of admission. And I think there was a third band (or a second with Rob being third) when they played here. Possibly QR.
You are correct. That tour was Halford / QR / Maiden. That's some fairly decent opening acts there.
As for Stadler, I had a feeling somebody might take a drummer shot at me. I kind of left that out of my thought process. I was more focused on KK, Glenn and Ian.
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Just busting balls. I kinda knew what you meant (and don't really disagree; it's not like Scott sucks or anything). I do think I'm one of the few that actually LIKES Dave Holland's drumming; I love that one fill he uses in everything (the one right before the chorus in "Heading Out To The Highway"; I think it's right after the solo. It's just a basic tom roll, but I love that sound.
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Just busting balls. I kinda knew what you meant (and don't really disagree; it's not like Scott sucks or anything). I do think I'm one of the few that actually LIKES Dave Holland's drumming; I love that one fill he uses in everything (the one right before the chorus in "Heading Out To The Highway"; I think it's right after the solo. It's just a basic tom roll, but I love that sound.
I figured. I was actually going to say that they were a little like Spinal Tap in that regard.
I fall into the Les Binks camp in terms of the old era. Simon Phillips is no slouch either in terms of talent. I also love Scott. Big fan of his drum sound on the first Fight album and his work with Racer X. Oh yeah, and his work with Priest.
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This is really sad news about Glenn. But, I have no desire to see them without KK and now Glenn too. I understand why Glenn and the band want to keep things going, but it's obviously not the same. Not that i'm bragging here, but i'm happy I seen them 3 times during the 80's and once on the Angel of Retribution tour.
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For the last weeks I have been in a Priest fever. Hearing their entire discography and discovering amazing stuff. When I started out, Defenders Of Faith was the recent release and outside of the MTV hits I didn't care enough to check their older material. I always thought Priest is the definition of pure Heavy Metal, much more than Iron Maiden, but I wasn't really a big fan. There were bands I was more into at that time like Dio, Queensryche, Ratt, Mötley, Dokken, Def Leppard, Europe, Bon Jovi (try to explain it to a young fellow, that Bon Jovi were cool in their time) and the likes.
I have to concede, I missed out big time. Albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny and Screaming For Vengeance feature amazing gems.
Last week I gave in and played the title track from the upcoming album...Yes !!! :metal
What already can be said, is that we'll finally getting a good sounding Priest album again.
Everything after Painkiller was muddy, over or even, in the case of Reedemer, under produced. That album was a nightmare come true.
As far as i'm concerned, they have only released a bad souding demo. Never the real thing.
The tragedy is, there is a good album hidden behind the horror that dares to call itself a studio guitar sound of a heavy metal legend.
Give the album a Vapour Trails like treatment, replace the worst songs with some
of the deluxe edition ones and maybe the album shows it's real face.
Yeah, ok, Angel Of Retribution doesn't sound bad, but it's far from a memorable album anyway. Especially the guitar sound from Jugulator, Demolition and Nostradamus are bad, but Reedemer has the worst.
Can't wait for the new album. I see a good chance of Firepower becoming the best Priest album since Painkiller. I will be crucified for it, but I think Painkiller is overrated. Sure, it's heavyness was what Priest needed after Turbo and Ram It Down (both underrated), but aside from the title track and maybe Touch Of Evil the album isn't that glorious. Undeniable a strong album, but not the manifestation of metal, at least not in my ears. My body is ready.
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Welcome mate!
Agree what you say about ROS, the production on that is just inexcusable. A lot of the songs are good but I can't listen to it.
Can't agree about your thoughts on Painkiller though! ;D
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Welcome mate!
Thanks.
About ROS: reducing the bass big time and turning up the volume instead, helped me a little to be able to sit it through and hear its potential.
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For the last weeks I have been in a Priest fever. Hearing their entire discography and discovering amazing stuff. When I started out, Defenders Of Faith was the recent release and outside of the MTV hits I didn't care enough to check their older material. I always thought Priest is the definition of pure Heavy Metal, much more than Iron Maiden, but I wasn't really a big fan. There were bands I was more into at that time like Dio, Queensryche, Ratt, Mötley, Dokken, Def Leppard, Europe, Bon Jovi (try to explain it to a young fellow, that Bon Jovi were cool in their time) and the likes.
I have to concede, I missed out big time. Albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny and Screaming For Vengeance feature amazing gems.
Last week I gave in and played the title track from the upcoming album...Yes !!! :metal
What already can be said, is that we'll finally getting a good sounding Priest album again.
Everything after Painkiller was muddy, over or even, in the case of Reedemer, under produced. That album was a nightmare come true.
As far as i'm concerned, they have only released a bad souding demo. Never the real thing.
The tragedy is, there is a good album hidden behind the horror that dares to call itself a studio guitar sound of a heavy metal legend.
Give the album a Vapour Trails like treatment, replace the worst songs with some
of the deluxe edition ones and maybe the album shows it's real face.
Yeah, ok, Angel Of Retribution doesn't sound bad, but it's far from a memorable album anyway. Especially the guitar sound from Jugulator, Demolition and Nostradamus are bad, but Reedemer has the worst.
Can't wait for the new album. I see a good chance of Firepower becoming the best Priest album since Painkiller. I will be crucified for it, but I think Painkiller is overrated. Sure, it's heavyness was what Priest needed after Turbo and Ram It Down (both underrated), but aside from the title track and maybe Touch Of Evil the album isn't that glorious. Undeniable a strong album, but not the manifestation of metal, at least not in my ears. My body is ready.
I'm actually with you on the Painkiller review. I don't quite get why that album is so highly regarded. It's the "Lick It Up" of the Priest catalogue (i.e. better because of what came before, than because of what it is).
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Exactly. It's actually an art form to create a classic with only 2 or 3 great songs. Ask Reign In Blood.
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I think Painkiller is the best Priest album and when I was discovering the band I was baffled about how the album was the exception rather than the rule. Counter fight me :biggrin:
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I don't know, but I think every song on Painkiller is a masterpiece.
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This prompted me to try to rank the Priest albums.
FAVORITE ALBUMS:
Sad Wings of Destiny
Sin After Sin
British Steel
Screaming for Vengeance
Defenders of the Faith
Painkiller
Angel of Retribution
Nostradamus
[Albums I don't really love, but they have just enough great songs to say "this ain't too bad"]
Stained Class
Killing Machine
Ram It Down
Jugulator
Redeemer of Souls
[Albums I don't really dig]
Rocka Rolla
Point of Entry
Turbo
Demolition
....yeah, I'm not really that big on Stained Class. It's Priest's Somewhere in Time for me (Iron Maiden album) - every one seems crazy about it, but I personally don't like it that much, even though I recognize it's good stuff and I would never be surprised or amazed at someone loving it.
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I think Painkiller is the best Priest album and when I was discovering the band I was baffled about how the album was the exception rather than the rule. Counter fight me :biggrin:
I can try.
The more dynamic, simple and groovy a Priest song is, the more I like it. That's were the band is playing it to their strenght the most. That's why You Got Another Thing Coming is one of my favorite Priest songs. Painkiller isn't exactly a benchmark for dynamic playing.
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This prompted me to try to rank the Priest albums.
FAVORITE ALBUMS:
Sad Wings of Destiny
Sin After Sin
British Steel
Screaming for Vengeance
Defenders of the Faith
Painkiller
Angel of Retribution
Nostradamus
[Albums I don't really love, but they have just enough great songs to say "this ain't too bad"]
Stained Class
Killing Machine
Ram It Down
Jugulator
Redeemer of Souls
[Albums I don't really dig]
Rocka Rolla
Point of Entry
Turbo
Demolition
No argument, just contrast (and bearing in mind, I've been contemplating a Priest Discography and reserve the right to revisit these):
BLEW UP THE DEATH STAR
Screaming for Vengeance
Defenders of the Faith
Stained Class
Rocka Rolla
Point of Entry
ALMOST THERE... ALMOST THERE
Sad Wings of Destiny
Sin After Sin
Killing Machine
British Steel
IMPACTED ON THE SURFACE
Turbo
Angel of Retribution
Nostradamus
Redeemer of Souls
SENT SPIRALING OUT TO SPACE
Ram It Down
Painkiller
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I think Painkiller is the best Priest album and when I was discovering the band I was baffled about how the album was the exception rather than the rule. Counter fight me :biggrin:
I can try.
The more dynamic, simple and groovy a Priest song is, the more I like it. That's were the band is playing it to their strenght the most. That's why You Got Another Thing Coming is one of my favorite Priest songs. Painkiller isn't exactly a benchmark for dynamic playing.
Painkiller however is a benchmark for a certain kind of metal music and it's one of the most copied songs ever :D but I see your point, Priest has some memorable "easier" tunes as well and for example I'll be forever happy of having heard Rock Hard, Ride Free live.
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Tier 1:
Sad Wings Of Destiny
Painkiller
Screaming For Vengeance
Defenders Of The Faith
Sin After Sin
Killing Machine
Tier 2:
Stained Class
British Steel
Point Of Entry
Angel Of Retribution
Redeemer Of Souls
Tier 3:
Ram It Down
Nostradamus
Jugulator
Turbo
Rocka Rolla
Demolition
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I haven't updated my list in years, so here's what it looks like now:
Screaming for vengeance
Point of entry
Painkiller
Angel of retribution
Defenders of the faith
Sin after sin
Killing machine
Nostradamus
Brittish steel
Rocka rolla
Sad wings of destiny
Stained class
Redeemer of souls
Turbo
Ram it down
Jugulator
Demolition
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Painkiller was Priest's latest attempt to roll with the times. Like the others I think it's pretty unremarkable. When you change your tune to meet the style of the time you never really excel at anything. Once they started putting out a completely different album every year they lost their consistency. For my money, One Shot at Glory is a great song and the rest I can do without.
Sad Wings
Stained Class
Screaming
Defenders
Rocka Rolla
Sin After Sin
Point of Entry
Painkiller
Killing Machine
British Steel
Turbo
Ram it Down
Nostradamus
Angel of Retribution
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I like One Shot at Glory a lot, but A Touch of Evil and Night Crawler are the ones from that record that really slay me. The song Painkiller is a skipper for me.
The album itself would not make my Priest top 5.
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I like One Shot at Glory a lot, but A Touch of Evil and Night Crawler are the ones from that record that really slay me. The song Painkiller is a skipper for me.
The album itself would not make my Priest top 5.
One Shot At Glory , Night Crawler and A Touch of Evil were also my "go-to" tunes from Painkiller. One Shot......was one of those songs that created a lot of imagery in the mind for me while listening.
Painkiller was my first JP album and remains a favourite , although I did skip a track or two generally.
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Night Crawler is one of their best songs ever IMHO. Painkiller, All Guns Blazing, Metal Meltdown, Leather Rebel, A Touch Of Evil - lots of great ones there.
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One Shot at Glory is indeed one of their best songs and a worthy closer of such a stellar album.
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The end of One Shot is easily one of Rob's greatest moments.
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Painkiller was Priest's latest attempt to roll with the times. Like the others I think it's pretty unremarkable. When you change your tune to meet the style of the time you never really excel at anything. Once they started putting out a completely different album every year they lost their consistency. For my money, One Shot at Glory is a great song and the rest I can do without.
Sad Wings
Stained Class
Screaming
Defenders
Rocka Rolla
Sin After Sin
Point of Entry
Painkiller
Killing Machine
British Steel
Turbo
Ram it Down
Nostradamus
Angel of Retribution
Knowing how much you revere Stained Class (rightfully so; it's a killer album) I'm surprised how low Killing Machine and British Steel are. I sort of get British Steel - it's patchy, and even though it was a hit, "Living..." isn't, in my view, a strong song - but Killing machine is pretty solid. Maybe. Sort of. :)
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I'm pretty excited for another (final, perhaps?) chapter of Priest. I noted on the Wiki page for Firepower, that Andy Sneap was also credited with "additional guitars" on the album, perhaps signaling there were songs Tipton couldn't perform on? I'm not sure, asking for those that are more plugged in and are bigger fans than me.
I thought Redeemer of Souls was a really good record for Priest. I've very much enjoyed their output over the last several releases.
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My review of the album is here:
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/album-reviews/judas-priest-firepower/
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Great review :tup Looking forward to the album. Sounds like they improved on the production of RoS.
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Painkiller was Priest's latest attempt to roll with the times. Like the others I think it's pretty unremarkable. When you change your tune to meet the style of the time you never really excel at anything. Once they started putting out a completely different album every year they lost their consistency. For my money, One Shot at Glory is a great song and the rest I can do without.
Sad Wings
Stained Class
Screaming
Defenders
Rocka Rolla
Sin After Sin
Point of Entry
Painkiller
Killing Machine
British Steel
Turbo
Ram it Down
Nostradamus
Angel of Retribution
Knowing how much you revere Stained Class (rightfully so; it's a killer album) I'm surprised how low Killing Machine and British Steel are. I sort of get British Steel - it's patchy, and even though it was a hit, "Living..." isn't, in my view, a strong song - but Killing machine is pretty solid. Maybe. Sort of. :)
All the albums in that tier have their moments, and I could see moving KM up one. I think it's a function of A: much of the good stuff being overshadowed by things that are truly dreadful, and B: being a big step down from Stained Class. A is a problem with a lot of their albums. Rapid Fire is one serious motherfucker of a song, one of their very best in my book, but man, British Steel as a whole is just terrible.
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Great review :tup Looking forward to the album. Sounds like they improved on the production of RoS.
With Andy Sneap at the helm, this was always a given.
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Great review :tup Looking forward to the album. Sounds like they improved on the production of RoS.
They did. Immensely.
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So Ken wasn't asked to come and it seems he would have;
The news that Glenn has finally been forced to come to terms with his unfortunate condition long term came with deep regret and sadness for me. Equally, this ending of our guitar duo era is also something that I have to come to terms with. The insatiable appetite that myself and Glenn had for creating inspired and unique music for the world to enjoy for many decades, is something that can never be erased. However, everyone who has witnessed the evolution of our beloved music must come to terms with the fact that things will inevitably change, or just simply end.
I have to state with great sadness also that I am shocked and stunned that I wasn’t approached to step into my original role as guitarist for Judas Priest. Whether I could have stepped back into the band or not, the potential for this situation arising never entered my head when I departed – although I too am officially and legally still a member of Judas Priest.
However, I know now more clearly than ever that I did the right thing by leaving the band when I did – as it seems that my time spent in the band, and my value in terms of crafting its huge legacy, was and is unappreciated by more than one member. I sincerely hope, for the fans’ sake, that the decision not to approach me was not a financial one.
I know Andy Sneap – and he is one of the greatest contributors to rock and metal that you will ever have the privilege to meet. To that end I have no doubt that his contribution to the new Judas Priest album was much more than just as a producer. All that’s left is for you the fans to go out and enjoy the band as it is, in order to complete a part of music history in which every one of you has played such an important role.
K.K.
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A poor excuse that I can come up with is that the replacement of KK himself is still in the band - it's like when Dave Murray and Janick Gers were the two guitarists of Iron Maiden, say Dave Murray goes away and they don't ask Adrian Smith back because the one who took over Smith's part and solos is still there.
But still, it should have been a no brainer, just have Richie learn Glenn's solos and tour with still an original guitarist.
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Just read his statement. Wow, I don't know what to think. There's obviously more to leaving than we know. I don't know if his statement here is necessary to be honest given Glen's state, but he obviously needed to say it so I repect that.
Saying that, he left the band, I don't really think the band are at fault for not approaching him, but the decision on a replacement was made while the whole thing was still behind closed doors so I can see where he is coming from.
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Maybe they thought he just wouldn't be interested in returning.
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I feel like this is one of those things that gets printed, then a week later they all talk and it's water under the bridge. I know for me, if I was in a band and someone left, and was seemingly happy, and another guy left, I'm not sure my first move is to call the first guy and say "hey!", even if it's something I want. We're all adults; if you want to play with us, just say so, don't make me guess.
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The thought had certainly occurred to me, and financially it would have been a no-brainer. Honestly, it might have sold a few more tickets than the original plan just due its oddball nature. As it is now tickets are already selling for below face, and it's still very early. It's conceivable that I pick up a ticket for $15, see Saxon whip some ass, and then leave so I don't have to be bummed out by Priest.
Most likely explanation is that there's some bad blood there, but it's certainly possible they just didn't figure he'd be interested. His explanation for leaving was that they just weren't as good as he expected them to be, and unless Glenn was the problem, which seems doubtful to me, that situation hasn't changed.
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If KK Downing is as he said, a legal member of the biz and band, then reading through all the red tape, he's probably one of four principal members of the band. Halford, Tipton, Downing, and Ian Hill. That means that Downing gets a piece of the band's profits after expenses (including paying what I assume are the salaries of Richie Faulkner and Scott Travis, who I assume are not principals, but hired hands.
So financially, it probably would have made more sense to bring Downing back on if he really wants to play. And if he does, I am thinking Andy Sneap would very much be OK with stepping aside. Here's hoping it was just a communication hiccup between the guys in Priest. Because when Tipton announced he couldn't tour, I naturally assumed Downing would do them a solid and step back in. The fact he didn't, and Sneap was on board, made little sense to me.
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I wonder what his issues with the level of the band's performances actually was. From what I understand of drums (nothing), Scott Travis seems the usual war machine to me. And Ian Hill, love and respect the man, but c'mon, being cynical, who even notices he's there? that leaves Glenn, and Rob himself. Could it be that he took issues with the performances of Rob, and when he knew that Glenn had been diagnosed, said "Ok, one guitarist is gonna lose it and the singer can't belt out the notes, I'm out?"
Also there must have been other reasons for stepping down BEFORE the tour, which, for the record, was awesome - a long set with Rob doing quite decently. I really wish KK was there, and that he stepped down after.
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I wonder what his issues with the level of the band's performances actually was. From what I understand of drums (nothing), Scott Travis seems the usual war machine to me. And Ian Hill, love and respect the man, but c'mon, being cynical, who even notices he's there? that leaves Glenn, and Rob himself. Could it be that he took issues with the performances of Rob, and when he knew that Glenn had been diagnosed, said "Ok, one guitarist is gonna lose it and the singer can't belt out the notes, I'm out?"
Also there must have been other reasons for stepping down BEFORE the tour, which, for the record, was awesome - a long set with Rob doing quite decently. I really wish KK was there, and that he stepped down after.
It needn't be a loss or lack of talent. Maybe he just felt some of them were taking the piss. If it was a talent problem then I'm pointing squarely at Rob on that one.
And to be honest, I wouldn't give Rob "fair" on that tour. He sang well on some songs but largely by half-assing others. Moreove,r it was clear that he could only scream his way trough the high parts. That was the where I decided that the whole thing had just become too depressing to continue.
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I wonder what his issues with the level of the band's performances actually was. From what I understand of drums (nothing), Scott Travis seems the usual war machine to me. And Ian Hill, love and respect the man, but c'mon, being cynical, who even notices he's there? that leaves Glenn, and Rob himself. Could it be that he took issues with the performances of Rob, and when he knew that Glenn had been diagnosed, said "Ok, one guitarist is gonna lose it and the singer can't belt out the notes, I'm out?"
Also there must have been other reasons for stepping down BEFORE the tour, which, for the record, was awesome - a long set with Rob doing quite decently. I really wish KK was there, and that he stepped down after.
Not pointing fingers at you, but where are you getting the notion of "the band's performance"? I didn't see anything like that in K.K.'s statement. The only thing I took was a reference to the idea that perhaps KK knew of Glenn's issues and wasn't on board with him not addressing it sooner.
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I had lots and lots of reasons for not continuing, as I wasn't content with things as they were. I wasn't happy with the band's live performance. I thought it could have been better; not that the fans would notice. To me, [Judas Priest] was always a stealth machine and that's what I liked about it. Even though you get older, you still need to be able to deliver the goods. People came a long way and paid a lot of money to see us, so you've got to make sure you still give 110 percent. I thought that should be inherent and what it should always be.
edit: there actually is a second part to his remarks up there:
There had been an on-going breakdown in working relationships between myself, elements of the band and management for some time.
Sheer speculation, but I wonder if Glenn was the element. That's why he might wonder why they didn't ring him when Glenn bowed out.
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I had lots and lots of reasons for not continuing, as I wasn't content with things as they were. I wasn't happy with the band's live performance. I thought it could have been better; not that the fans would notice. To me, [Judas Priest] was always a stealth machine and that's what I liked about it. Even though you get older, you still need to be able to deliver the goods. People came a long way and paid a lot of money to see us, so you've got to make sure you still give 110 percent. I thought that should be inherent and what it should always be.
When did he say that? Above when he talked about rejoining, or back when he first left?
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Reading between the lines, I think it's clear that Glen has a big part in all of this, IMO.
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Reading between the lines, I think it's clear that Glen has a big part in all of this, IMO.
agreed.
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Glen is by far the better guitarist, but I always saw him as a very dominating factor in the band and somewhat over KK also, but he has that dominating aura which is appealing, he is Priest. But I guess the solo credits is the only thing I have to back this up, Glen heavily outweighs KK there. I'd be really interested to see how much of the music and lyrics were written between the three of them.
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This is all pretty plausible. Since Rob has always been the voice of the band, doing interviews and whatnot, it's hard to say who the dominating personalities are. I suppose it's possible the Ian Hill is a soul crushing tyrant who keeps them in check through force and intimidation, but my money probably would be on Glenn.
It also seems that the British Steel anniversary tour was KK's last, so I wonder if that factored into the whole thing. It kind of sucked and did seem like a bit of a cash grab.
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I'm sure this is all a misunderstanding that will be easily resolved.
I actually never even thought of KK coming back to the back when they needed a replacement for Glenn. As far as I was concerned, he retired and was content playing golf. I assumed he would be more than willing to play a show here and there on a farewell tour, but definitely didn't think he would want to come back for a full tour.
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I'm sure this is all a misunderstanding that will be easily resolved.
I actually never even thought of KK coming back to the back when they needed a replacement for Glenn. As far as I was concerned, he retired and was content playing golf. I assumed he would be more than willing to play a show here and there on a farewell tour, but definitely didn't think he would want to come back for a full tour.
Agree with all this.
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Rob's response;
Let me just say that the great joy of JUDAS PRIEST is that we've never gone into this kind of arena of a public dispute. And it's so easy to fall into that trap in social media today. How many people have you seen in sports, for example, that have made a rash comment on Twitter, just on the heat of the moment, emotionally. You know, we're all human, we've all got feelings, and we have a tendency to blurt out the first thing that is on our minds, and rightly or wrongly, things can kind of come back and chase you afterwards in a negative way.
"So, with regards to everything that was made in [K.K.'s] statement today, a lot of it, to me, is completely superfluous," he continued. "But the one point that I would like to clarify and have on record is this insinuation that Andy Sneap was covering Glenn's guitar parts on 'Firepower', and I can categorically state that that is a thousand percent false. Because I was with Glenn for all of his guitar work, and he worked really, really hard. Imagine this guy in the tenth year of Parkinson's. I've never seen anybody so brave in the fact that every song was a challenge for him to make it work, but he did — consistently, day after day. It was just a very powerful thing to experience firsthand. And this just goes to show you about the amazing stories that surround invididuals around the world that are dealing with Parkinson's in their life.
"So, thank you for that opportunity, Kenny," Halford told "The Freaks" co-host Kenny Sargent. "I just wanted to touch on that one issue, because out of everything that was laid out in that statement, that one hit me personally. And so now I've been able to clarify that and make sure that everybody out in the world listening to the show, on the Internet and elsewhere, understands that everything that you hear from Glenn on 'Firepower' is the amazing Glenn Tipton. Oh yeah!"
KK didn't specifically say that Andy will be playing solos and try and pass them off as Glen, but I guess he was insinuating something like that. No one would beleive it anyway and Priest would never do that, plus Glen's playing is so distinctive you couldn't fool anyone.
I hope this doesn't turn into a slugfest between KK and the band. We don't want this.
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Learnt recently about Glen's Parkinson, what a sad situation for him to deal with. All the power to him in his struggle!
Now regarding KK. You just know that, this feud between him and his former bandmates will quickly spiral out of control. He should have just kept his mouth shut. I thought that he would be smarter..
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KK didn't specifically say that Andy will be playing solos and try and pass them off as Glen, but I guess he was insinuating something like that.
Well, "To that end I have no doubt that his contribution to the new Judas Priest album was much more than just as a producer." certainly qualifies as insinuation of a ghost guitarist.
I hope too it's not gonna be a back and forth; at least Rob acknowledged that, "We all say and post stuff in the heat of the moment, but I wanted to make it clear that Glenn is indeed playing on the album".
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On the wiki page for the record, it says that Andy both produced and played guitar.
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Painkiller was Priest's latest attempt to roll with the times. Like the others I think it's pretty unremarkable. When you change your tune to meet the style of the time you never really excel at anything. Once they started putting out a completely different album every year they lost their consistency. For my money, One Shot at Glory is a great song and the rest I can do without.
Sad Wings
Stained Class
Screaming
Defenders
Rocka Rolla
Sin After Sin
Point of Entry
Painkiller
Killing Machine
British Steel
Turbo
Ram it Down
Nostradamus
Angel of Retribution
Knowing how much you revere Stained Class (rightfully so; it's a killer album) I'm surprised how low Killing Machine and British Steel are. I sort of get British Steel - it's patchy, and even though it was a hit, "Living..." isn't, in my view, a strong song - but Killing machine is pretty solid. Maybe. Sort of. :)
I had the same reaction, Stads. Until I really thought about it. What on Killing Machine is essential for a JP collection? Delivering the Goods, Hell Bent for Leather, Killing Machine and maybe Green Manalishi? I like the rest of the album, but that was the first album that came out after I became a fan, so my perspective is skewed--a lot.
Oh, and like Barto, I revere Stained Class too. It makes me rage quit this thread every time I see someone dump on it.
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Apparently you've forgotten this all time classic: www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK3NhVr0PV8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK3NhVr0PV8)
Some great facial hair in that clip as well.
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On the wiki page for the record, it says that Andy both produced and played guitar.
To be fair "additional guitars" could mean a lot of things.
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KK didn't specifically say that Andy will be playing solos and try and pass them off as Glen, but I guess he was insinuating something like that.
Well, "To that end I have no doubt that his contribution to the new Judas Priest album was much more than just as a producer." certainly qualifies as insinuation of a ghost guitarist.
I hope too it's not gonna be a back and forth; at least Rob acknowledged that, "We all say and post stuff in the heat of the moment, but I wanted to make it clear that Glenn is indeed playing on the album".
I did follow it up with this though;
KK didn't specifically say that Andy will be playing solos and try and pass them off as Glen, but I guess he was insinuating something like that.
Rob was just kind of saying that KK said that Andy did everything and Glen just put his name to it, Milli Vanilli like. That's the impression I got anyway.
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On a more positive note, listening to the released tracks from the new album and a couple of snippets, I think this is going to be a really great metal record, which pleases me since I didn't like ROS.
Saying that, the main reason I didn't like ROS was the production but the second reason that fucked me off was the amount of solos Richie had and the lack that Glen had, this really turned me off, but now I know why. Every Priest record Glen outweighed KK in the solo department heavily so it confused me why this new young gun was suddenly the star. I hated Richie but now I think my mind will change, he's obviously been good for the band and Glen and really carried a lot of the sound moving forward. I always thought he was a show pony just trying to get in the spotlight not knowing his place but now I understand. I'm going to spin ROS again and will obviously have a different perspective. I think I'll be able to appreciate it a lot more.
Thinking about KK's comments and the performance part of what he said, Glen's disease and his strong minded resistance to keep the Priest machine going is obviously another reason behind that thinking IMO.
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On a more positive note, listening to the released tracks from the new album and a couple of snippets, I think this is going to be a really great metal record, which pleases me since I didn't like ROS.
Saying that, the main reason I didn't like ROS was the production but the second reason that fucked me off was the amount of solos Richie had and the lack that Glen had, this really turned me off, but now I know why. Every Priest record Glen outweighed KK in the solo department heavily so it confused me why this new young gun was suddenly the star. I hated Richie but now I think my mind will change, he's obviously been good for the band and Glen and really carried a lot of the sound moving forward. I always thought he was a show pony just trying to get in the spotlight not knowing his place but now I understand. I'm going to spin ROS again and will obviously have a different perspective. I think I'll be able to appreciate it a lot more.
Thinking about KK's comments and the performance part of what he said, Glen's disease and his strong minded resistance to keep the Priest machine going is obviously another reason behind that thinking IMO.
Nice, Kade. Enjoyed this post.
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On a more positive note, listening to the released tracks from the new album and a couple of snippets, I think this is going to be a really great metal record, which pleases me since I didn't like ROS.
Saying that, the main reason I didn't like ROS was the production but the second reason that fucked me off was the amount of solos Richie had and the lack that Glen had, this really turned me off, but now I know why. Every Priest record Glen outweighed KK in the solo department heavily so it confused me why this new young gun was suddenly the star. I hated Richie but now I think my mind will change, he's obviously been good for the band and Glen and really carried a lot of the sound moving forward. I always thought he was a show pony just trying to get in the spotlight not knowing his place but now I understand. I'm going to spin ROS again and will obviously have a different perspective. I think I'll be able to appreciate it a lot more.
Thinking about KK's comments and the performance part of what he said, Glen's disease and his strong minded resistance to keep the Priest machine going is obviously another reason behind that thinking IMO.
Nice, Kade. Enjoyed this post.
Thanks Tim. With all this news and such I think it's just made me realise that Glen is undoubtedly in my top 5 probably top 3 guitar players. His influence on me has been immense. If I were to make a top 50 list of solos, even top 20, Glen's would bulk out the rest by some margin. Some of the solos he's crafted over the years is unmatched.
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Yeah, and you actually got me thinking.
I'm really a casual fan of Judas Priest. I couldn't tell a Tipton solo from a Downing solo to save my life, but if you really look at their longevity, influence, and overall body of work, Tipton (and Downing for that matter) are largely underrated. There was just a poll here on classic rock guitarists, and not to take anything away from the guys on the list, as they are the icons, but perhaps Tipton/Downing get overlooked, similarly to Murray/Smith.
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Yeah, and you actually got me thinking.
I'm really a casual fan of Judas Priest. I couldn't tell a Tipton solo from a Downing solo to save my life, but if you really look at their longevity, influence, and overall body of work, Tipton (and Downing for that matter) are largely underrated. There was just a poll here on classic rock guitarists, and not to take anything away from the guys on the list, as they are the icons, but perhaps Tipton/Downing get overlooked, similarly to Murray/Smith.
Tipton is as good as any of those guys that were on that list IMO.
I wouldn't say Murray and Smith are that underrated, maybe Smith sometimes.
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Give me a couple of great Tipton solos,
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Give me a couple of great Tipton solos,
1. Touch of Evil
2. Beyond the Realms of Death
3. Turbo Lover (this album gets shit on a lot but I love it. I feel like this solo should get respect even from people that don't like the album).
4. Honorable mention goes to Rapid Fire which has a great series of trade offs but I think Glenn's parts really stand out.
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Priest should be right up my alley and I have yet to really connect with them. I have the 3CD "Essential" greatest hits album, and enjoy it whenever I listen to it. But I always feel like I should enjoy them more than I do.
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Give me a couple of great Tipton solos,
Beyond the Realms of Death
A Touch of Evil
All Guns Blazing
Heavy Metal
Painkiller
Here Come the Tears
Dreamer Deceiver
Exciter
Ram it Down (first few are duels with KK)
Demonizer
I'm A Rocker
Electric Eye
Prisoner of Your Eyes
Freewheel Burning
Reckless
Grinder
I can keep going.
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KK's response to Rob;
"Just to clarify that my complimenting Andy Sneap as I did was no more than I would have said about any other guitar-playing producers that have also contributed much more than expected to our past albums. Great talent such as Chris Tsangarides (R.I.P) and Roy Z both not only produced, but also contributed song ideas, riffs and licks, lyric ideas etc. Consequently, albums like 'Painkiller' and 'Angel Of Retribution' would not have been the same without them. Even George Martin, I believe, provided much more for THE BEATLES than just the role of a normal producer. An extra musician in the studio, like the aforementioned talented producers, really does bring a great benefit."
I did think Rob was a bit defensive but KK's comment was suspect and it seems like he's trying to downplay his original statement and maybe try and put it to bed.
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Social media causes lots of unnecessary drama. But a little bit of drama isn't going to bring down the mighty Judas Priest :metal
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KK's response to Rob;
"Just to clarify that my complimenting Andy Sneap as I did was no more than I would have said about any other guitar-playing producers that have also contributed much more than expected to our past albums. Great talent such as Chris Tsangarides (R.I.P) and Roy Z both not only produced, but also contributed song ideas, riffs and licks, lyric ideas etc. Consequently, albums like 'Painkiller' and 'Angel Of Retribution' would not have been the same without them. Even George Martin, I believe, provided much more for THE BEATLES than just the role of a normal producer. An extra musician in the studio, like the aforementioned talented producers, really does bring a great benefit."
I did think Rob was a bit defensive but KK's comment was suspect and it seems like he's trying to downplay his original statement and maybe try and put it to bed.
I'm not trying to foment discord here, but that's not the best "downplay" I've ever read. It sounds very passive-aggressive to me. "I didn't mean anything bad at all when I said that Andy Sneap played a shit ton of guitar on this record and looks to have carried a lot of the water." "Honey, I meant you were very sexual and very good in bed when I called you a dirty, f-ing whore."
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On the wiki page for the record, it says that Andy both produced and played guitar.
To be fair "additional guitars" could mean a lot of things.
True. I wish we had more clarity. My guess is that Tipton did as much as he can, and probably had Sneap play stuff that Tipton himself wrote, but couldn't nail because of his condition.
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First off, why wouldn't the new kid cover what Glenn couldn't? Second, if they still list solos in their liner notes people like Wolfking will notice pretty quickly if it's somebody other than Glenn playing.
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First off, why wouldn't the new kid cover what Glenn couldn't? Second, if they still list solos in their liner notes people like Wolfking will notice pretty quickly if it's somebody other than Glenn playing.
That's true.
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First off, why wouldn't the new kid cover what Glenn couldn't? Second, if they still list solos in their liner notes people like Wolfking will notice pretty quickly if it's somebody other than Glenn playing.
I don't think they'll list the solo credits as they haven't done that since Painkiller iirc, but I'd have to check. But yeah, I'm really intrigued and excited for this record and will be analyzing the solos and such closely and obviously will post what I think.
One of the two full tracks released, the title track I think which has a really nice Tipton solo which is definitely him.
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Another new track;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL0KfOi4BmU
This is definitely gonna trump ROS. Nice 80's feel in this one.
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That one is awesome!!
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I like all the songs they've shared from the new album thus far. Painkiller 2.0 :metal
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I kinda hope they do what Nevermore did and just have Sneap completely re-mix ROS. I do like a lot of songs from that album but man comparing the production to what we've heard from Firepower made me realize how flat ROS actually sounds.
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I like it! maybe the chorus has to grow on me or simply isn't the absolute highlight of the song, but it's groovy and enticing and it sounds very good. I'm starting to have a good feeling about this album :tup
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Official lyric video here for the same song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0J3u3_800c
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Official lyric video here for the same song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0J3u3_800c
Thanks, I couldn't find the official link for some reason.
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It's not bad, but it didn't rock my shorts.
I listened to "Run Of The Mill" and "Dying To Meet You" in the shower and man, that ending to Run of the Mill... I'd love to ask KK or Glenn: "When this guy walked in and sang, did you think "We've made it."?" Or ask Rob, "Listening to that, how did you feel?"
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Official lyric video here for the same song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0J3u3_800c
Thanks. Good tune. First one I have listened to from the new record. Looking forward to buying the album next week!
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Song is just ok. Too generic for me. Still looking forward to the album though.
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It's not bad, but it didn't rock my shorts.
I listened to "Run Of The Mill" and "Dying To Meet You" in the shower and man, that ending to Run of the Mill... I'd love to ask KK or Glenn: "When this guy walked in and sang, did you think "We've made it."?" Or ask Rob, "Listening to that, how did you feel?"
Man, that section gives me chills every time. It's stunning how amazing Halford was right from the start. The entire song is actually one of their best, as far as I'm concerned.
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Ian Hill's view;
"Well, I don't know where Ken is coming from, to be honest," Ian replied (hear audio below). "He retired seven years ago and he made it clear at the time that he didn't wanna come back. So I'm surprised that he's saying that he was surprised that he wasn't asked. I think we all thought he probably would have been surprised if we had asked him. So I don't know. It's a bit like your quarterback retiring, you replace the guy, and then two or three years down the line, [when the new guy] gets injured, you're not gonna come back to the guy that just retired. You'll find somebody else. And it's pretty much the same thing."
This is kind of what I thought too. I never really expected them to ask KK back.
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Review from AllMusic (4/5).
https://www.allmusic.com/album/firepower-mw0003139314 (https://www.allmusic.com/album/firepower-mw0003139314)
The album is out tomorrow :metal
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Ordered yesterday from Amazon. Check my mailbox at 11am today and find this album.
Now I need to listen.
Oh, no mention of solos in the liner notes and no mention of any other musicians beside the core 5. I know there has been talk of Sneap playing some stuff. I also realize that not having it mentioned in the notes doesn't necessarily mean that there wasn't help either.
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Ordered yesterday from Amazon. Check my mailbox at 11am today and find this album.
Now I need to listen.
Oh, no mention of solos in the liner notes and no mention of any other musicians beside the core 5. I know there has been talk of Sneap playing some stuff. I also realize that not having it mentioned in the notes doesn't necessarily mean that there wasn't help either.
I wouldn't have any reason to think that Sneap played anything.
Interested to hear the leads and how many Glen handles. If ROS is anything to go by, I wouldn't think there would be too many.
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Official video for the song 'Spectre'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVVrfqwA5lQ
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I've been very busy over the week, but I can't wait to listen to this album on Sunday. :metal
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Official video for the song 'Spectre'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVVrfqwA5lQ
This is nice. :metal
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Just heard the album for the first time, and i'm very happy. Easily their best since Painkiller, a lot of killer songs! :metal
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What a pleasant surprise! I really like Firepower!
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What a great album :metal
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Just saw this one star review on Amazon:
“Glenn Tipton is just plain sloppy on this CD. Milkshake!”
What a huge dick.
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Heard it twice. Solid album that sounds way better than Redeemer of Souls. Some average songs here and there, maybe 2-3 songs shorter it would have been even better. Earlier favorites: the first four songs, Children of the Sun, No Surrender ( :metal ) and Sea of Red. There's also a very badass instrumental part in Rising from the Ruins.
Sea of Red is a nice swan song if that will be the case, but they wrote Never Forget too early, damn them :lol
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Just saw this one star review on Amazon:
“Glenn Tipton is just plain sloppy on this CD. Milkshake!”
What a huge dick.
This person needs repeated kicks to the head.
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This album kicks ass!! :metal :metal
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Just saw this one star review on Amazon:
“Glenn Tipton is just plain sloppy on this CD. Milkshake!”
What a huge dick.
This person needs repeated kicks to the head.
He's probably deaf. I respect disagreeing opinions, but it would be hard to convince me that this album is not incredible.
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Three songs in, it sounds pretty good so far, better than I thought it would, but I am still waiting for the epic guitar solos. I have never thought of myself as someone who is solo-centric when it comes to a band, but the appeal for me with Priest has always been a) their solos, and b) Rob's voice.
I see Rob is being smart and singing in his deeper voice instead of going for the high stuff a lot (like the voice he uses in the chorus to Hellrider).
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I liked a lot redeemer and this one is even better no doubt! The production is perfect, a lot better than on redeemer, of course... but there’s one thing that I like more on redeemer: the longer instrumental sections and solos.
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"Chasing a dream as I go higher
Playing it mean, my heart's on fire
Living my life, ain't no pretender
Ready to fight with NO SURRENDER"
:metal
Man I love this song. It could be called cheesy or chasing after the '80s style but I don't care, it bloody rocks :hat
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"Chasing a dream as I go higher
Playing it mean, my heart's on fire
Living my life, ain't no pretender
Ready to fight with NO SURRENDER"
:metal
Man I love this song. It could be called cheesy or chasing after the '80s style but I don't care, it bloody rocks :hat
Yeah, instant classic! :metal
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Gave it a listen last night. Solid album. It's basically ROS with much better production and less filler. While not all the songs on Firepower are a homerun it doesn't suffer from the mid album slump that I felt that Redeemer had.
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Get your own Judas Priest-styled name! :metal
https://judaspriest-namegenerator.com/
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(https://i.imgur.com/ENNKD1g.jpg)
:metal
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I've listened to about 6 or 7 songs so far and this is quite impressive. The production is quality Andy Sneap and wouldn't have expected anything less.
There is nothing here so far that would give me the impression that Andy played any guitar on this. Glenn actually plays like you wouldn't know he had this disease, and after 6 songs he plays more than I expected. Not sure about the rhythm and if he plays any, but given the production and mixing, I would say he does. The guitar and lead tones are really strong and in regards to who played what, it sounds like the lead guitars are split old school Priest style for the most part. Richie in the left and Glenn in the right.
Rob sounds great and the songs so far are top notch. I can see 14 songs though being a little too much, but really, the more Priest the better.
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Just had a listen and I think this is way better than Redeemer of Songs. Could've been a few songs shorter though I guess, but still a good album. Good way to go out if that'll be the last Priest album we get.
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My thoughts after a full listen of Firepower is really positive. It's funny how Priest can make an album full of rehashed generic metal riffs sound so strong and fresh and exciting. In terms or the riffs and rhythm this is such basic stuff it's unbelievable. Nothing on here is complex or breaking any new ground at all. The E-C-D chord progressions are strong here. But, that makes no difference because Priest make it work within the songwriting. How the simplicity of a riff like Rising from Ruins be so cool is commendable.
There's not too much going on in the leads here either. As Brent said it does miss some of the trademark Tipton sound which I thought was the case on ROS also, but Glenn actually does a lot of work here and plays leads on most songs, which I'm surprised and happy about. I'll break it down when I get a chance for some fun. I never understood what they saw in Richie. I still think it was the KK like image but as a lead player, he's really generic. BUT, given the generic nature of the songs and the nice production, I think what he offers is pretty good. He has some nice passages and note selections and his leads flow really well. There is no one else playing here but Glenn and Richie also btw.
Rob sounds awesome, really awesome, and Sneap has done a great job on the production. I've always liked his modern style of production, so I'm happy with it. As for the songs, hard to pinpoint favourites as it needs more listens but Never the Heroes surprisingly is one of my favs, has that 80's feel with Glenn's presence on this one strong. Rising From Ruins is probably my fav, that's a cracker. No Surrender to me is like something the band has never really done, it took me by surprise but can see that being a fav too. Evil, Spectre and Traitors are strong too as is the one two punch that starts the album.
I don't think it's got that much filler, the only one's I'd probably cut are Children of the Sun, that sounds like a ROS leftover, and Flamethrower, that's a piece of shit. Don't know what the fuck they were thinking with that one and brings the mood down after Rising From Ruins.
All in all, very, very impressive and it's inspiring to hear Tipton play here despite what he's going through, proud to be a Priest fan.
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So I've heard this once, and Traitor's Gate is EASILY my favorite song.
This is a solid album. Probably the first Priest album I've bought upon its release since Painkiller.
Similar to the last few Accept releases, this is just "confort metal".
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Rising From Ruins is probably my fav, that's a cracker.
That’s my favorite too. I wish Guardians was in it rather than as a separate track though.
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Rising from the Ruins is not my favorite song on the album, but I love the instrumental middle passage, the melody is just great. Instrumental peak of he album for me!
I agree that Flame thrower is the weaker track. One could figure it out already by the title, how cliched and cheesy you must be to make a song about a flame thrower? :lol
For the hell of it I randomly put on some Reedemer of Souls on YouTube... damn, the difference in production is overwhelming. Firepower in a sense ruined Reedemer of Souls for me. I also realized I have a hard time to remember any of the songs off the previous record, even the ones I liked the most. This is gonna be a nice and solid album, and a more than worthy way to go out if that will be the case!
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So I've heard this once, and Traitor's Gate is EASILY my favorite song.
This is a solid album. Probably the first Priest album I've bought upon its release since Painkiller.
Similar to the last few Accept releases, this is just "confort metal".
Andy Sneap has a big part in that.
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I haven't listened to JP for many years and this album has renewed my appreciation of the metal gods.
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I haven't listened to JP for many years and this album has renewed my appreciation of the metal gods.
I don't think any Priest fan of any kind or era could not be satisfied with this album.
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"I couldn't dream
To be without her kind
They wouldn't let her be
Or heal what she defiled
You are the hate that beats mankind
Torturous lies that lead the blind
Squandered the truth from all we said
You are the reason I feel dead"
This passage of Children of the Sun is awesome and so intense.
I'd say cut Flamethrower and Lone Wolf (also for pacing reasons - after the injection of adrenaline of No Surrender, go straight into the final epic) and you have a damn fine 12 songs (ok, 11 + 1) album :metal
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I don't mind Lone Wolf, it's a bit different. To me it sounds like a mix of a RoyZ/Dickinson song and Metallica. I think it's placed as the second last song for a reason though.
Flamethrower needs to fuck off. That could be the most cringe worthy song the band has ever done IMO.
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I haven't listened to JP for many years and this album has renewed my appreciation of the metal gods.
I don't think any Priest fan of any kind or era could not be satisfied with this album.
Eh, I wouldn't go that far. It was a solid listen (on YT), but it didn't make me want to buy it, and I doubt I'd go out of my way to listen to it very much if I did buy it.
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I haven't listened to JP for many years and this album has renewed my appreciation of the metal gods.
I don't think any Priest fan of any kind or era could not be satisfied with this album.
Eh, I wouldn't go that far. It was a solid listen (on YT), but it didn't make me want to buy it, and I doubt I'd go out of my way to listen to it very much if I did buy it.
So you're the 1 out of 10 dentists that doesn't recommend Colgate? :neverusethis:
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I am no better. I have been guilty of this before.
A new album comes out by an aging band, one that really surprises you and your immediate reaction is of such surprise that you think, "Damn, this is so good, it is good as their best material from way back in the day." Then a bit of time passes, you go back and listen to those classics, and then the realization hits you: "okay, not even close."
That is what this feels like.
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I think whatever Judas Priest does is gravy at this point. The fact that this not only doesn't suck, but is actually pretty good, is all bonus.
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I am no better. I have been guilty of this before.
A new album comes out by an aging band, one that really surprises you and your immediate reaction is of such surprise that you think, "Damn, this is so good, it is good as their best material from way back in the day." Then a bit of time passes, you go back and listen to those classics, and then the realization hits you: "okay, not even close."
That is what this feels like.
I'd agree, but I would never expect this anyway.
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Saw some clips of the first show of the tour. Band sounds great and there's some surprises in the set including a song from stained class that had never been done live before.
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Just by number and not mentioning the songs themselves - how many new ones played? I'd wager 3, maximum 4.
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19 songs in total, 3 songs from Firepower (I checked the setlist).
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Thanks. Well, both numbers (new songs and total songs) are what I'd expect. I think 19 is even more optimistic than one could hope for, even though it depends on the songs selection - playing, say, Victim of Changes AND Beyond the Realms of Death AND Blood Red Skies takes up a huge part of the set, that could be occupied by 6 shorter songs such as Running Wild for example.
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Statement from Glenn changes some things. Has only known about his disease for 4 years now.
https://judaspriest.com/news/fullstory.asp?id=65E8195C-82C2-4F10-BFFD-23CFA45B56D2
PERSONAL MESSAGE FROM GLENN:
By now many of you will know I won't be doing the forthcoming Judas Priest tour because of health issues---I’m so sorry but four years ago I was diagnosed with Parkinson's and was told by my specialist that I had already had it for over ten years - I knew something was wrong with my co-ordination and fluency regarding my playing but I worked around it and battled on - I have good days and bad days but the disease is degenerative and I would never want to compromise the greatest metal band in the world---it was therefore during the last rehearsals I decided to step down and have Andy Sneap fill in---he's a great guy and I'm sure he'll do a great job - I'm sure the band will be as strong than ever
I have been overwhelmed by the massive support and love I’ve had from other artists and from fans all over the world and from many friends and metal maniacs out there - it's not the end for me - I’ll still be able to write and record and on good days even join the band on stage for a few songs - with new medication and advances being made who knows what the future holds - but one thing's for sure - it will certainly involve Priest!
Finally the biggest thanks goes to Rob, Richie, Ian and Scott who have stood by me and supported me through everything - GLENN
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"Personal"? I'm sure Glenn read it, approved it and expressed what wanted to be said, but that weirdass style of writing sentences separated by a line belongs to Jayne Andrews, Priest's manager. Look around the Priest site news section - you can always find sentences structured this way - I don't know why she insists in writing like this - it's annoying and distracting!
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"Personal"? I'm sure Glenn read it, approved it and expressed what wanted to be said, but that weirdass style of writing sentences separated by a line belongs to Jayne Andrews, Priest's manager. Look around the Priest site news section - you can always find sentences structured this way - I don't know why she insists in writing like this - it's annoying and distracting!
Yeah, that's a fucking strange and wrong way of writing, weird.
Sad he only was diagnosed 4 years ago, but had the disease 6 years prior! Positive message though and hope he continues to deal with everything the best he can.
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Anyone else thinks Nostradamus is very good? Listened to it for the first time in many years last night and I really liked it. I think Prophecy, Revelations, Pestilence and Plague, Death, Conquest, Persecution, Alone, Nostradamus and Future of Mankind are all great songs. I even like Lost Love.
If it wasn’t a concept album and it didn’t have those interludes, I think it would be an excellent album. As it is it’s still a very good album imo.
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Anyone else thinks Nostradamus is very good? Listened to it for the first time in many years last night and I really liked it. I think Prophecy, Revelations, Pestilence and Plague, Death, Conquest, Persecution, Alone, Nostradamus and Future of Mankind are all great songs. I even like Lost Love.
If it wasn’t a concept album and it didn’t have those interludes, I think it would be an excellent album. As it is it’s still a very good album imo.
There was a bit of a conversation some pages back. I hated it when it came out but posted a version with a lot of the filler taken out and it came out to be quite a strong album.
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I've never heard it. I have the files on CD, but have never listened to it.
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I've never heard it. I have the files on CD, but have never listened to it.
I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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Jeez, No Surrender is a fucking cracker. One of the coolest songs I've heard in a while from anyone.
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Jeez, No Surrender is a fucking cracker. One of the coolest songs I've heard in a while from anyone.
Looks like we share our two faves - Rising From Ruin and No Surrender . :2metal:
I agree with most of what's been said - not quite up there with the classics but relative to what you might expect (and efforts from other very "mature" bands) it is a very good effort with 3 or 4 standouts and a bit of filler. I really wish bands would stop releasing 14 track albums as it almost inevitably means an album broken up by filler.
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Jeez, No Surrender is a fucking cracker. One of the coolest songs I've heard in a while from anyone.
Looks like we share our two faves - Rising From Ruin and No Surrender . :2metal:
I agree with most of what's been said - not quite up there with the classics but relative to what you might expect (and efforts from other very "mature" bands) it is a very good effort with 3 or 4 standouts and a bit of filler. I really wish bands would stop releasing 14 track albums as it almost inevitably means an album broken up by filler.
A 10 track album would be almost classic I think. And yeah, those two are easily my favs. Another one that hasn't really gotten a mention that has become one of my favs also is Spectre, that's killer.
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Yeah I think Guardians/Rising From Ruins, No Surrender and Spectre are my 3 favorites.
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No love for Traitor's Gate, people? To me, it's the standout track.
I like No Surrender as well.
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No love for Traitor's Gate, people? To me, it's the standout track.
I like No Surrender as well.
Yeah, that's a good one too, probably top 5.
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Just watching a couple of clips from the current Priest tour and I'm all for the band continuing on and playing but it just looks weird. Sneap looks totally out of his depth and it seems that Richie is playing Glenn's main parts with Sneap playing KK's but only watched a couple of quick clips Good luck to them but it's just strange and they should have gotten someone with more stage presence and guitar skill than Sneap. Rob's pretty average too.
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My 5 favourites on the new album are Spectre, Never The Heroes, Firepower, No Surrender, and Lightning Strike.
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Jeez, No Surrender is a fucking cracker. One of the coolest songs I've heard in a while from anyone.
Damn right!!! :metal
Short, addictive and to the point, it's just awesome.
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Jeez, No Surrender is a fucking cracker. One of the coolest songs I've heard in a while from anyone.
Damn right!!! :metal
Short, addictive and to the point, it's just awesome.
Great lyrics too.
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My 5 favourites on the new album are Spectre, Never The Heroes, Firepower, No Surrender, and Lightning Strike.
These might actually be my favorites as well.
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My 5 favourites on the new album are Spectre, Never The Heroes, Firepower, No Surrender, and Lightning Strike.
For me too, and I'd add to the list Evil Never Dies.
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Not sure which songs to be cut though. Perhaps Flame Thrower and Lone Wolf. Sea Of Red hasn't clicked for me yet, so I'm undecided about it right now.
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I have full confidence that No Surrender will end up being one of my all time Priest favorites. Just awesome.
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Not sure which songs to be cut though. Perhaps Flame Thrower and Lone Wolf. Sea Of Red hasn't clicked for me yet, so I'm undecided about it right now.
Flame Thrower and Lone Wolf would definitely be the 2 to get cut. FT is crap but Lone Wolf is pretty good, just different to the rest. Children of the Sun doesn't do much for me either. Sea of Red I quite like as a closer.
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Man, that's really a good setlist. Quite a few chestnuts I'd like to see dusted off. Rob sounded alright (Saints was tuned way down, but no surprise there). Downside is that seemed kind of lifeless up there. It's weird seeing Faulkner trying to be the second frontman after so many years f it being KK/Glenn.
(obviously a spoiler) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_IpC1ewIgg
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Something that has bothered me for 13 years, where the fuck have I heard the chorus of Lochness before? Sounds so goddamn familiar!
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I'm not sure what's so wrong with Flamethrower. It's pretty top notch musically.
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I'm not sure what's so wrong with Flamethrower. It's pretty top notch musically.
You're on the run from the stun of the flame thrower
Sealing your fate, incinerate by the flame thrower
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Something that has bothered me for 13 years, where the fuck have I heard the chorus of Lochness before? Sounds so goddamn familiar!
Reminds me of Delilah.
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I don't think those lyrics are more offensive than anything Priest has been writing about since the beginning of time. How about Metal meltdown and stuff?
I'm quite happy with this album overall and I'm pleasantly surprised. The production and songwriting are much better than on Redeemer. In fact, this album makes Redeemer sound like a transitional album - now it has a purpose, it had to happen. They tried stuff and had the opportunity to improve on them on this album. There were some great songs on it, but Firepower is much better.
My favorites would now be Spectre, title track, Never the heroes, Flamethrower and Lightning strike. The only songs I didn't care about are Lone wolf and Traitors gate. The others are all very solid and entertaining enough.
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Wait, Flame Thrower one of your favs and Gate not? Wow!
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Went to the record store today and bought the record, I like it a lot. :metal Don't get the overwhelming love for No Surrender yet, but Traitor's Gate is indeed awesome, probably my favourite so far.
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Went to the record store today and bought the record, I like it a lot. :metal Don't get the overwhelming love for No Surrender yet, but Traitor's Gate is indeed awesome, probably my favourite so far.
I didn't understand the hype on No Surrender on the first couple of listens too, then it clicked.
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Traitor's Gate is indeed awesome, probably my favourite so far.
I'm with you Ruslan. Glad someone else has noticed it.
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Wait, Flame Thrower one of your favs and Gate not? Wow!
Yeah. The vocal melodies on the verses in Gate sound pretty generic, not to mention that the chorus isn't too melodically interesting either. It goes on for five and a half minutes, which is too long for ideas that are just okay. Not to mention the solo section isn't one of the better ones on an album that just shines bright with guitar harmonies. Flamethrower, on the other hand, has a great menacing riff and interesting chord progressions throughout the verse, pre-chorus and chorus. Halford also kills it with his high notes. :metal
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I don't have an issue with Flame Thrower. the chorus reminds me of the British Steel Era.
The first song I would cut is Necromancer.
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Has JP ever toured Australia?
I don't remember them to have, but I am old and had a gap of 7 years in the UK in the 2000's.
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Setlist.fm is your friend:
https://www.setlist.fm/search?query=Judas+Priest+Australia
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Has JP ever toured Australia?
I don't remember them to have, but I am old and had a gap of 7 years in the UK in the 2000's.
Pretty sure they came here on the Angel of Retribution tour maybe?
I saw them on the Demolition tour, they were amazing. Not sure about Painkiller and before though.
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Setlist.fm is your friend:
https://www.setlist.fm/search?query=Judas+Priest+Australia
Ah, well there you go!
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Apparently Glenn joined them for the encore last night :metal
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgkpsQfgcxu/?taken-by=robhalfordlegacy (https://www.instagram.com/p/BgkpsQfgcxu/?taken-by=robhalfordlegacy)
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https://youtu.be/YzfUvlk8_aA
Glenn looks pretty good and sounds like he's playing fine. Just seems a bit timid and quiet. It's good to see him out there with the band already.
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That's a pretty goddamn good setlist. If it wasn't for weather I might've snuck down to the casino to see that, but alas I am not. I think for me, without Glenn or KK, I'm going to pass.
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I've only heard three songs off the album so far and it rocks! The production and sound of the istruments is top notch. Lone Wolfe is an amazing song..
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I've only heard three songs off the album so far and it rocks! The production and sound of the istruments is top notch. Lone Wolfe is an amazing song..
If you liked Lone Wolf, your jaw will drop with the rest of the album. It's one of the weakest songs from Firepower.
.and it still rocks!
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I've only heard three songs off the album so far and it rocks! The production and sound of the istruments is top notch. Lone Wolfe is an amazing song..
If you liked Lone Wolf, your jaw will drop with the rest of the album. It's one of the weakest songs from Firepower.
.and it still rocks!
Well that's good to know, I guess I need to purchase this album.. :tup :metal
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This album is spectacular, don't hesitate to buy it.
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I've only heard three songs off the album so far and it rocks! The production and sound of the istruments is top notch. Lone Wolfe is an amazing song..
If you liked Lone Wolf, your jaw will drop with the rest of the album. It's one of the weakest songs from Firepower.
.and it still rocks!
Well that's good to know, I guess I need to purchase this album.. :tup :metal
Go and get it.
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Thanks you guys! That will be my next purchase..
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Well this is a thing that's happening https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rights-to-130-judas-priest-songs-up-for-sale-after-k-k-downings-golf-dream-comes-to-an-end (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rights-to-130-judas-priest-songs-up-for-sale-after-k-k-downings-golf-dream-comes-to-an-end)
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Well this is a thing that's happening https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rights-to-130-judas-priest-songs-up-for-sale-after-k-k-downings-golf-dream-comes-to-an-end (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rights-to-130-judas-priest-songs-up-for-sale-after-k-k-downings-golf-dream-comes-to-an-end)
That's an absolute travesty he is in such a position that he needs to sell off his rights. That's just not right. That is the man's life's work.
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Well this is a thing that's happening https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rights-to-130-judas-priest-songs-up-for-sale-after-k-k-downings-golf-dream-comes-to-an-end (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rights-to-130-judas-priest-songs-up-for-sale-after-k-k-downings-golf-dream-comes-to-an-end)
That's an absolute travesty he is in such a position that he needs to sell off his rights. That's just not right. That is the man's life's work.
Also glenn, ian and rob's lifes work. I hope the rest of the band was at least notified before this hit the news.
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"Breaking the Law" - (Halford / Tipton / Random rich dude who bought it)
Geez. So sad.
(Yeah, I know that songwriting credits don't change, I was just making the point)
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Well this is a thing that's happening https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rights-to-130-judas-priest-songs-up-for-sale-after-k-k-downings-golf-dream-comes-to-an-end (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rights-to-130-judas-priest-songs-up-for-sale-after-k-k-downings-golf-dream-comes-to-an-end)
That's an absolute travesty he is in such a position that he needs to sell off his rights. That's just not right. That is the man's life's work.
Also glenn, ian and rob's lifes work. I hope the rest of the band was at least notified before this hit the news.
Good point. And given what appears to be bad blood, I am guessing they were not.
But the casual fan won't notice. The songs will always show that they were written by the guys who wrote them. It's just on the backside, that publishing will go to the new buyer of the rights. That buyer's name won't be on the song credits as a writer. This is all about straight cash and ownership, not about what the credits will read. If they package up a greatest hits disc again or something, the new owner of the rights won't have his or her name next to the song. It'll still have Downing.
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No wonder he was expecting a call up to tour. Surprised he didn't get on the phone himself right away after reading this.
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He ought to look into that thing that Bowie did, selling "shares" in his publishing, like stock in a company. The return from 1/3 of Priest's catalogue is not exactly Bowie-level, but it might give him an option that he can buy back at a later date if the shit gets cleaned out of the fan.
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If I'm reading this right, he doesn't have a choice. He is being forced to sell as part of the bankruptcy process.
https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8456567/kk-downing-judas-priest-royalty-rights-golf-course
The next part of the bankruptcy process involves the sale of Downing's share of the royalty rights to 136 Judas Priest songs, which administrators FRP Advisory LLP say generates between $340,000 and $400,000 per year.
I get from this that he might not have had a choice in the matter.
Either way, it's sad to see.
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Yeah, it looks like he had to pay up somehow, and so they went looking into what valuable things he had. Had he owned a fancy house, they would have sold that. He has credits for successful songs, they go after that.
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Why was his own balance sheet at risk on this? NO POLITICS, but people scream at Donald Trump for his "bankruptcy", but it wasn't HIS bankruptcy, it was his COMPANY. I get it, we hate Trump and fuck him and let him burn, but here, when it's a guy's life's work, I know I wouldn't be too sad if a corporation took the loss, and K.K. got to keep his art.
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Yeah, leaving the band was a bad choice...
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Well, here ya go. Looks like he put all his eggs in one basket. I'm guessing that instead of forming different companies to house his separate interests, he rolled everything into one company. Note that the company was originally named Ken Downing Music Ltd. He probably changed the name when he rolled his golf resort into it. Sounds like he got some bad business advice.
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/01630018
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If I'm reading this right, he doesn't have a choice. He is being forced to sell as part of the bankruptcy process.
https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8456567/kk-downing-judas-priest-royalty-rights-golf-course
The next part of the bankruptcy process involves the sale of Downing's share of the royalty rights to 136 Judas Priest songs, which administrators FRP Advisory LLP say generates between $340,000 and $400,000 per year.
I get from this that he might not have had a choice in the matter.
Either way, it's sad to see.
It's baffling to me that he wouldn't have had a separate company for this golf course venture than the company that holds his rights to the songs. I've worked with the band's lawyers and accountants, and they're better than that. I wonder if he used someone else after he left the band.
Anyway, if the songs were to be sold off individually, I wonder what it would take to buy 1/3 of the rights to something like "United" or "Hot Rockin'" (it's 1/3 because, as far as I can tell, Ian Hill has writing credits on only two Priest songs).
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I used to play "United" in my band. That'd be cool to have 1/3 of a song.
Ooooh.... Run Of The Mill...
Having said that, though, I would bet that share that they are sold as an entity, a package; you get all or nothing.
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Anyone seen Priest on the current tour supporting Firepower? I'm thinking of grabbing a last minute ticket to the show tonight with Deep Purple in Irvine....
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Anyone seen Priest on the current tour supporting Firepower? I'm thinking of grabbing a last minute ticket to the show tonight with Deep Purple in Irvine....
I've heard they're putting on a good show. I passed on it because I thought it would be depressing. My friend who scored a last minute ticket agreed with both of these points. It was a good show, but pretty sad to those who saw them in their prime.
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I'll be there this weekend. I'll chime in on Monday.
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Anyone seen Priest on the current tour supporting Firepower? I'm thinking of grabbing a last minute ticket to the show tonight with Deep Purple in Irvine....
I've heard they're putting on a good show. I passed on it because I thought it would be depressing. My friend who scored a last minute ticket agreed with both of these points. It was a good show, but pretty sad to those who saw them in their prime.
This -- along with no Glenn and no KK -- is a pretty big deterrent. The Defenders tour was my second concert ever when I was 16. On the other hand, secondary market ticket prices are dropping pretty fast, so maybe....
ALSO...is Purple opening for Priest, or is it the other way around???
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Anyone seen Priest on the current tour supporting Firepower? I'm thinking of grabbing a last minute ticket to the show tonight with Deep Purple in Irvine....
I've heard they're putting on a good show. I passed on it because I thought it would be depressing. My friend who scored a last minute ticket agreed with both of these points. It was a good show, but pretty sad to those who saw them in their prime.
This -- along with no Glenn and no KK -- is a pretty big deterrent. The Defenders tour was my second concert ever when I was 16. On the other hand, secondary market ticket prices are dropping pretty fast, so maybe....
ALSO...is Purple opening for Priest, or is it the other way around???
Priest THEN Purple. I saw Priest twice with the classic lineup (KK and Glenn, in...2005, and then again when they did the anniversary of British Steel tour), and wasn't going to go to this. But a $25 dollar ticket in the lower bowl of the amphitheater changed my mind.
Saw Purple about 10 years ago, and Gillian was horrendous. Subsequent tours that friends attended have confirmed he's worse than ever. So my plan is just to pop in, check out Priest's set, and head home.
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Nah, give it a run; Morse is worth it by himself, but the Paice-Glover-Morse-Airey core can still bring it. To this day, "Woman From Tokyo" was a wonderful moment; when the bridge ended, there was a slight pause, and the entire band kicked into the main riff like a jet airplane. Blew me away from the second row.
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Anyone seen Priest on the current tour supporting Firepower? I'm thinking of grabbing a last minute ticket to the show tonight with Deep Purple in Irvine....
I've heard they're putting on a good show. I passed on it because I thought it would be depressing. My friend who scored a last minute ticket agreed with both of these points. It was a good show, but pretty sad to those who saw them in their prime.
This -- along with no Glenn and no KK -- is a pretty big deterrent. The Defenders tour was my second concert ever when I was 16. On the other hand, secondary market ticket prices are dropping pretty fast, so maybe....
ALSO...is Purple opening for Priest, or is it the other way around???
Priest THEN Purple. I saw Priest twice with the classic lineup (KK and Glenn, in...2005, and then again when they did the anniversary of British Steel tour), and wasn't going to go to this. But a $25 dollar ticket in the lower bowl of the amphitheater changed my mind.
Saw Purple about 10 years ago, and Gillian was horrendous. Subsequent tours that friends attended have confirmed he's worse than ever. So my plan is just to pop in, check out Priest's set, and head home.
I'm thinking the same thing. Priest's set list looks awesome. Purple's not so much ("Woman from Tokyo" isn't on the list), and I'm not a huge Purple fan anyway.
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Anyone seen Priest on the current tour supporting Firepower? I'm thinking of grabbing a last minute ticket to the show tonight with Deep Purple in Irvine....
I've heard they're putting on a good show. I passed on it because I thought it would be depressing. My friend who scored a last minute ticket agreed with both of these points. It was a good show, but pretty sad to those who saw them in their prime.
This -- along with no Glenn and no KK -- is a pretty big deterrent. The Defenders tour was my second concert ever when I was 16. On the other hand, secondary market ticket prices are dropping pretty fast, so maybe....
ALSO...is Purple opening for Priest, or is it the other way around???
Priest THEN Purple. I saw Priest twice with the classic lineup (KK and Glenn, in...2005, and then again when they did the anniversary of British Steel tour), and wasn't going to go to this. But a $25 dollar ticket in the lower bowl of the amphitheater changed my mind.
Saw Purple about 10 years ago, and Gillian was horrendous. Subsequent tours that friends attended have confirmed he's worse than ever. So my plan is just to pop in, check out Priest's set, and head home.
Well, you already paid. You're there. It's Deep Purple. Unless you're so attached to the original songs to the point that a mediocre rendition of them causes you physical pain, why not just enjoy the show, or try to?
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I've never seen a Purple show I didn'd find very entertaining.
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So...I bought a ticket for $35 on Stubhub (less than face value).
I missed the opening band (The Temperance Movement) because (a) getting to the venue where they were playing (FivePoint Amphitheatre in Irvine, CA) was a gigantic clusterfuck, and (b) I didn't care about the opnener.
I really enjoyed the Priest set. The set list is fantastic. They included four songs off the new album. I only bought the album about ten days ago, so I'm not real familiar with it, but they played my early favorite, "Rising from Ruins." The rest of the set was "classic" material (2 songs each from British Steel, HBfL and Vengeance and 1 song each from Defenders, Painkiller, Point of Entry, Sin after Sin and Turbo).
No Glenn and no K.K. was a little odd -- especially since Richie seemed to be doing an intentional imitation of K.K. (although he did a good job at it). Richie handled probably 90% of the lead guitar work, and Andy Sneap was very much a sideman (kinda like Ian Hill :biggrin:).
Rob is still Rob, but.... I really think he seriously needs to think about wrapping things up (at least as far as touring goes). Not only does he have difficulty with a lot of the iconic screaming, he moves around like a 67 year old man. With a lot of other bands, rewriting vocal melodies is fine, but the operatic style is the essence of who Rob Halford is. He also plays a bit of a character on stage. He could pull it off in the 80s and 90s, but I'm not so sure about it now.
I wouldn't go as far as to say it was "sad," but I do feel like it could become sad if they continue much longer, and I'm doubtful that I would go see them again.
It being a "school night," I did not stick around for Deep Purple. I was, however, able to hear the opening song ("Highway Star") pretty clearly on my way out to the car, and it sounded pretty good. The vocals were the part I could hear least well, but it sounded like Gillan was singing pretty well. After seeing the rest of the set list, I'm glad I didn't stick around.
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Wow. After reading that I looked at DP's setlist and now I'm really sorry they didn't come here. That's about as good as I could hope for nowadays. Uncommon Man seems to be the replacement for Contact Lost and Well Dressed Guitar, and those are always great. Don't think I've seen Bloodsucker played live. I generally prefer Knocking to Strangers. No song I haven't heard of (save for the instrumental). All around damn fine set.
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Wow. After reading that I looked at DP's setlist and now I'm really sorry they didn't come here. That's about as good as I could hope for nowadays. Uncommon Man seems to be the replacement for Contact Lost and Well Dressed Guitar, and those are always great. Don't think I've seen Bloodsucker played live. I generally prefer Knocking to Strangers. No song I haven't heard of (save for the instrumental). All around damn fine set.
That IS a good set. Big fan of Knockin, and Sometimes I Feel Like Screaming is a great one.
Also like Desert Plains from Point of Entry, as opposed to the two singles.
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I've never seen a Purple show I didn'd find very entertaining.
I caught them last year with Alice Cooper and really enjoyed the show. Didn't love DP, but they were definitely a fun time. I actually got two tickets for the JP/DP show locally here because it wasn't selling well and they did a super cheap flash sale so I scooped up two thinking I could get my GF to come (she came to the DP and Alice Cooper show) but was blinded by the flash sale and realized I would be in Atlanta for ProgPower instead. I sold my tickets and made 20 bucks actually while still selling them well under face value (that's how good that sale was). I've never been too into Judas Priest so I was going really for the experience of two classic bands. But I got to imagine this is a good show per dollar for anyone debating about going.
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Those who are going to see Purple and Priest, DO NOT miss the opening act, The Temperance Movement. I love them!
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Just checked them on Spotify. remind me of The Black Crows.
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I couldn't make it, and was bummed. I have the latest from The Temperance Movement, and dug it.
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Yeah, they're similar to The Black Crowes, especially the dude's voice. They played here in Toronto last month without Priest or Purple, at the legendary Horseshoe Tavern, a venue that fits only 500 people. It was an AMAZING night, and I took a photo with the singer after the show.
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Can I just say? I put on Screaming For Vengeance last night in the car and The Hellion/Electric Eye just blew me away. WOW was it good. Some of the songs on Side one have not aged well (especially that drum sound) but boy, that's a solid record.
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Can I just say? I put on Screaming For Vengeance last night in the car and The Hellion/Electric Eye just blew me away. WOW was it good. Some of the songs on Side one have not aged well (especially that drum sound) but boy, that's a solid record.
I see it as one piece anyway. One of my favourite Priest pieces and records (although I like all of the Halford era albums, Ripper is hit and miss IMHO) They like to open their concerts with that one too (or at least they did on more than one tour)
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Can I just say? I put on Screaming For Vengeance last night in the car and The Hellion/Electric Eye just blew me away. WOW was it good. Some of the songs on Side one have not aged well (especially that drum sound) but boy, that's a solid record.
I've said before (and I think maybe you've agreed) that the period from roughly 1980-84 (or 85) was the golden age of metal, and Priest's output during that time is a big part of that. The Hellion/Electric Eye is one of the most perfect album/concert openers ever written. The only arguably weak song on Vengeance is "Pain and Pleasure," although I like it pretty well.
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Can I just say? I put on Screaming For Vengeance last night in the car and The Hellion/Electric Eye just blew me away. WOW was it good. Some of the songs on Side one have not aged well (especially that drum sound) but boy, that's a solid record.
I've said before (and I think maybe you've agreed) that the period from roughly 1980-84 (or 85) was the golden age of metal, and Priest's output during that time is a big part of that. The Hellion/Electric Eye is one of the most perfect album/concert openers ever written. The only arguably weak song on Vengeance is "Pain and Pleasure," although I like it pretty well.
Agreed; I'm a big fan of Point of Entry, and I actually prefer Defenders of the Faith to both of them. That's a good solid run right there.
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Can I just say? I put on Screaming For Vengeance last night in the car and The Hellion/Electric Eye just blew me away. WOW was it good. Some of the songs on Side one have not aged well (especially that drum sound) but boy, that's a solid record.
I've said before (and I think maybe you've agreed) that the period from roughly 1980-84 (or 85) was the golden age of metal, and Priest's output during that time is a big part of that. The Hellion/Electric Eye is one of the most perfect album/concert openers ever written. The only arguably weak song on Vengeance is "Pain and Pleasure," although I like it pretty well.
The title track is the only real skipper for me, although it's not a bad song.
The Hellion and Electric Eye are obviously totally bad ass.
Fever is one of their more underrated deep cuts.
Bloodstone remains one of my favorite Priest tunes ever. :metal
Start to finish, I can't think of a Priest album better than Screaming.
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The title track is the only real skipper for me,
On what planet does this even make sense?
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Devil's Child. For my money - guitars, vocals, lyrics, tempo - it's the quintessential Priest song.
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Devil's Child. For my money - guitars, vocals, lyrics, tempo - it's the quintessential Priest song.
It's a good one, for sure.
The title track is the only real skipper for me,
On what planet does this even make sense?
The planet where a totally rocking song gets dragged down by overly clunky and messy vocal melodies.
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Fever is one of their more underrated deep cuts.
I've never been a huge Priest fan, but I always have enjoyed Screaming for Vengeance quite a bit. After your comment in another thread recently saying that Iron Maiden is like a poor man's Judas Priest, I went back to it and was reminded how fantastic it is. (I'm now going through the whole discography, which I've never done, hoping I'll find more to love.)
I'm mainly posting in this thread to say that Fever is a song that I absolutely love. I never figured it was seen as a big deal to other people, but it's my favorite of their songs and one that I come back to a lot. The main riff sets the mood so well, and Halford's vocals on the verses are just fantastic.
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Start to finish, I can't think of a Priest album better than Screaming.
Defenders of the Faith and Painkiller.
And yeah, the song Fever is awesome.
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Start to finish, I can't think of a Priest album better than Screaming.
Defenders of the Faith and Painkiller.
And yeah, the song Fever is awesome.
I mean, I'd have to go through album by album to make sure, but not only do I not like Painkiller better than Screaming, right now it's barely in the top half of Priest albums for me.
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Can I just say? I put on Screaming For Vengeance last night in the car and The Hellion/Electric Eye just blew me away. WOW was it good. Some of the songs on Side one have not aged well (especially that drum sound) but boy, that's a solid record.
I've said before (and I think maybe you've agreed) that the period from roughly 1980-84 (or 85) was the golden age of metal, and Priest's output during that time is a big part of that. The Hellion/Electric Eye is one of the most perfect album/concert openers ever written. The only arguably weak song on Vengeance is "Pain and Pleasure," although I like it pretty well.
The title track is the only real skipper for me, although it's not a bad song.
The Hellion and Electric Eye are obviously totally bad ass.
Fever is one of their more underrated deep cuts.
Bloodstone remains one of my favorite Priest tunes ever. :metal
Start to finish, I can't think of a Priest album better than Screaming.
Vengeance was about a year old when I first got into Priest, and the title track absolutely blew me away. Otherwise, I agree with all of this (although there are days when I like Defenders better).
Devil's Child. For my money - guitars, vocals, lyrics, tempo - it's the quintessential Priest song.
Don't forget the bass!
Seriously, does Ian Hill even have a signature song or moment?
The title track is the only real skipper for me,
On what planet does this even make sense?
The planet where a totally rocking song gets dragged down by overly clunky and messy vocal melodies.
LOL! It's literally as if Rob said, "there are just too many darn words to fit into these spaces," and the rest of the guys said, "just sing really fast and make them fit!"
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It’s as if Kevin Moore wrote it.
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As far as favorite deep cuts on that album go, I always single out Take these chains. It's one of those rare Priest songs that pack a punch in only three minutes and feature some great melodic bits as well. It's such a well crafted song.
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Start to finish, I can't think of a Priest album better than Screaming.
Defenders of the Faith and Painkiller.
Both of those are really good and would be in my 2nd tier.
I'm mainly posting in this thread to say that Fever is a song that I absolutely love. I never figured it was seen as a big deal to other people, but it's my favorite of their songs and one that I come back to a lot. The main riff sets the mood so well, and Halford's vocals on the verses are just fantastic.
The swirling guitar lead is most awesome as well.
The planet where a totally rocking song gets dragged down by overly clunky and messy vocal melodies.
LOL! It's literally as if Rob said, "there are just too many darn words to fit into these spaces," and the rest of the guys said, "just sing really fast and make them fit!"
Except that they don't fit and ultimately just sound like a mess.
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Don't forget the bass!
Seriously, does Ian Hill even have a signature song or moment?
Isn't there a song on British Steel that begins with a bass line? Is it "You Don't Have To Be Old To Be Wise"?
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Hill is kick ass in Love Bites
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Don't forget the bass!
Seriously, does Ian Hill even have a signature song or moment?
Isn't there a song on British Steel that begins with a bass line? Is it "You Don't Have To Be Old To Be Wise"?
The Rage.
Best song on the record!
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Don't forget the bass!
Seriously, does Ian Hill even have a signature song or moment?
Isn't there a song on British Steel that begins with a bass line? Is it "You Don't Have To Be Old To Be Wise"?
The Rage.
Best song on the record!
The Rage is the best song on an album that includes Rapid Fire, Metal Gods and Grinder?!
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I think if I had to point to a "signature moment" for Ian Hill, it would be "Tyrant" on Unleashed in the East (and, more generally, the entire album). He really stands out on the harmony solo before the last verse.
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The Rage is the best song on an album that includes Rapid Fire, Metal Gods and Grinder?!
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If we're bringing up underrated deep cuts, Here Comes the Tears. Could be a top 10 Priest song for me.
Also, Traitor's Gate fast becoming one of my fav Priest songs. Could sneak into a top 20 at the moment, perhaps higher.
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Also, Traitor's Gate fast becoming one of my fav Priest songs. Could sneak into a top 20 at the moment, perhaps higher.
:metal :metal
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My personal favorite Priest album is Stained Class. With Defenders of the Faith being a close second.
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If we're bringing up underrated deep cuts, Here Comes the Tears. Could be a top 10 Priest song for me.
Also, Traitor's Gate fast becoming one of my fav Priest songs. Could sneak into a top 20 at the moment, perhaps higher.
I LOVE "Here Come The Tears". Sin After Sin is a great album. I think Dissident Agressor is the only song that doesn't really move the needle for me.
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If we're bringing up underrated deep cuts, Here Comes the Tears. Could be a top 10 Priest song for me.
Also, Traitor's Gate fast becoming one of my fav Priest songs. Could sneak into a top 20 at the moment, perhaps higher.
I LOVE "Here Come The Tears". Sin After Sin is a great album. I think Dissident Agressor is the only song that doesn't really move the needle for me.
The album has great variety and a few different things for the band which worked well. Not your standard Priest album.
Also, Traitor's Gate fast becoming one of my fav Priest songs. Could sneak into a top 20 at the moment, perhaps higher.
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I dont know how it slipped by me when the album first came out. The riff, the lyrics, Rob sounds brutal and in great character, that melody after the solo, everything about this song is close to perfect.
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My personal favorite Priest album is Stained Class. With Defenders of the Faith being a close second.
Even though I have never loved The Sentinel as much as most seem to, I do love me some Defenders of the Faith. Those chords at the beginning of Night Comes Down are heavenly.
I LOVE "Here Come The Tears". Sin After Sin is a great album. I think Dissident Agressor is the only song that doesn't really move the needle for me.
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Dissident Aggressor is awesome! :metal :metal
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Dissident Aggressor has to be one of the coolest and heaviest songs of the 70's. That might be my favorite song on the SAS album.
Priest has always been underrated when it comes to their ballads. I think they excelled in that category, and I would personally put Night Comes Down at or near the top.
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Yep, Night Comes Down and Before the Dawn are both amazing tunes. Dreamer Deceiver is incredible as well (although that is more of a slow burner than a ballad).
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I love Dreamer Deceiver too. I think I posted a link to a version from the Old Grey Whistle Test here a while ago; if you can't find it it's worth seeking out that clip. Rob sings like an angel.
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I can't get into it. I really don't see what is special about it.
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Yes, Dreamer Deceiver really stands out to me whenever I come back to SWoD.
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I love Dreamer Deceiver too. I think I posted a link to a version from the Old Grey Whistle Test here a while ago; if you can't find it it's worth seeking out that clip. Rob sings like an angel.
I think thats on the Electric Eye DVD? Its amazing.
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Priest has some tremendous ballads. Before the dawn has always been a huge favorite of mine, but I also love Last rose of the summer.
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A Touch of Evil is where it's at for me. It's got just the right amount of bite to it to sit comfortably as a sole ballad among such hard-hitting metal tracks.
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A Touch of Evil is where it's at for me. It's got just the right amount of bite to it to sit comfortably as a sole ballad among such hard-hitting metal tracks.
Good call mate.
Welcome also!
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Im on the fence; I listened to Screaming... again yesterday and it was just so good, I'm on the cusp of a big Priest kick. I don't know whether to go to SaS and keep it going, or risk it all and hit Painkiller to see if it's any better than I remember...
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Im on the fence; I listened to Screaming... again yesterday and it was just so good, I'm on the cusp of a big Priest kick. I don't know whether to go to SaS and keep it going, or risk it all and hit Painkiller to see if it's any better than I remember...
This is tempting me also.
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I've been listening to a lot of Priest this week. :metal :metal
I think I am still the only Priest fan who doesn't genuflect to the song Painkiller. It's good, but I can name dozens and dozens of better songs.
A Touch of Evil is where it's at for me. It's got just the right amount of bite to it to sit comfortably as a sole ballad among such hard-hitting metal tracks.
I don't really think of A Touch of Evil as a ballad, but semantics aside, it is a killer song and one of the best Priest ever did. :metal
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The ballad of the album should have been "Living Bad Dreams", which was shelved for pacing reasons and then released as bonus tracks.
If you never heard it I guess it's easy to track, check it out 'cause it's quite good!
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The ballad of the album should have been "Living Bad Dreams", which was shelved for pacing reasons and then released as bonus tracks.
If you never heard it I guess it's easy to track, check it out 'cause it's quite good!
It's okay. Not sure I like how Halford's voice sounds when singing the chorus. Had it been included on Painkiller, it definitely would have been the weak link.
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The ballad of the album should have been "Living Bad Dreams", which was shelved for pacing reasons and then released as bonus tracks.
If you never heard it I guess it's easy to track, check it out 'cause it's quite good!
One of the best bonus tracks ever for sure. I love Halford on this one and the solo is classic Tipton. It's quality but I guess I can see why it was left off, would be hard to place.
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Living Bad Dreams and Thunder Road were my favorites of the Priest reissue bonus tracks.
Prisoner of Your Eyes is a good track too, but I actually liked the Halford version on Live Insurrection better.
Heart of a Lion is another great tune that the band should have finished. I think the version on Metalogy is still a demo.
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Prisoner of Your Eyes is a good track too, but I actually liked the Halford version on Live Insurrection better.
100% agreed!
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I do like Prisoner of Your Eyes quite a bit.
Does anyone else not consider Painkiller a top 5 track from its own album?
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Im on the fence; I listened to Screaming... again yesterday and it was just so good, I'm on the cusp of a big Priest kick. I don't know whether to go to SaS and keep it going, or risk it all and hit Painkiller to see if it's any better than I remember...
This is tempting me also.
I’ve got a “best albums from 1980-84l usb in the car. Priest will be heavily featured. It was point of entry today. British Steel a few days ago.
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I do like Prisoner of Your Eyes quite a bit.
Does anyone else not consider Painkiller a top 5 track from its own album?
I think the whole album is weak. One Shot at Glory is a great song, but the rest I can do without. Painkiller is one of the better songs of the remainders, but that's not saying a lot.
What PK does have going for it is that since the chorus can be screamed it's still a song Rob can belt out live and still sound like a boss.
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The whole album is weak? ??? ???
I am guessing you are going to get some push back on that one. :P :lol
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I think Painkiller is one of the defining heavy metal albums in the entire genre, so obviously I disagree with that :lol
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I think Painkiller is one of the defining heavy metal albums in the entire genre, so obviously I disagree with that :lol
Right, especially after they went through the motions from the mid to late 80's. They came back an ass kicking classic.
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I think Painkiller is one of the defining heavy metal albums in the entire genre, so obviously I disagree with that :lol
Exactly.
Does anyone else not consider Painkiller a top 5 track from its own album?
I consider Painkiller a top 5 track from the entire history of heavy metal.
(Well, maybe not so literally, but it is a genre defining song)
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Painkiller is the definition of heavy metal for me. If I were abducted by aliens and they asked me to take them to my leader, I'd just play them Painkiller.
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I think I'm going to play Painkiller today :metal
Pretty good chance it will be played loud too.
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The whole album is weak? ??? ???
I am guessing you are going to get some push back on that one. :P :lol
Yeah, I was definitely expecting it. An overrated album in my book, but then my interest in the guys pretty much dried up when Turbo came out. You're hard pressed to find a more stark dropoff than the one from Defenders to Turbo.
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The whole album is weak? ??? ???
I am guessing you are going to get some push back on that one. :P :lol
Yeah, I was definitely expecting it. An overrated album in my book, but then my interest in the guys pretty much dried up when Turbo came out. You're hard pressed to find a more stark dropoff than the one from Defenders to Turbo.
You’d be hard pressed to find a more stark step up ftomTurbo/RiD to Painkiller.
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The whole album is weak? ??? ???
I am guessing you are going to get some push back on that one. :P :lol
Yeah, I was definitely expecting it. An overrated album in my book, but then my interest in the guys pretty much dried up when Turbo came out. You're hard pressed to find a more stark dropoff than the one from Defenders to Turbo.
I'm with Bart on this. Painkiller just doesn't connect with me. I get it's place in the sequence, and I'm not a huge fan of Turbo by any stretch, but that run is sort of what convinced me that Priest was a notch below Maiden. I thought Priest fell into the same trap as Iommi when Dio was on board: the music was written more to expectation than any real inspiration. Harsh, I know, but you listen to Screaming... now, or Killing Machine, or Stained Class and it wasn't "metal, metal, metal, obligatory ballad, metal...." and that's what seemed like Painkiller was. They DID try something different with Turbo, it got shit on, and so back to formula.
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Priest was always trying to follow the popular sound. From PoE all the way to the Ripper albums they seemed to follow the trends. SfV and DotF are excellent albums, but they're also exemplary of the era they were made. Turbo tried to follow the popular trends and it's just not what people wanted from them. RiD was a buildup to PK where they were chasing the thrash bands. Admittedly they did better at that, but it's not really what I want from Priest, or what I think Priest does well.
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There was a definite drop off in quality from DofF to Turbo, but as a fan of the genre they were chasing with a Turbo I still enjoy it. RiD was poor by comparison, though it has grown on me and would be better with Scott Travis on drums rather than a machine.
Painkiller isn’t a go to Priest album for me but there are several great tracks on it. The title track was a statement of intent and I enjoy it, but prefer probably half the album.
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Ram It Down is pretty spotty, but damn it if that title track isn't one helluva bad ass song. That dual guitar solo is madness! :metal :metal And of course I will always express my undying love for Blood Red Skies. :biggrin:
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Ram It Down is pretty spotty, but damn it if that title track isn't one helluva bad ass song. That dual guitar solo is madness! :metal :metal And of course I will always express my undying love for Blood Red Skies. :biggrin:
:tup :tup :tup
I'll put in a plug for "I'm a Rocker" as well.
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That one is okay. The only other song I like that from that record is probably Monsters of Cock.
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I would say that Ram it Down is one of Priest’s most underrated albums.
The title track and Hard as Iron are two scorchers!
Blood Red Skies is one of their best songs in their entire discography. Everything about that song rules.
And I’m a Rocker is one of my personal favorite songs! :metal
I could probably do without Johnny b Goode, but it’s still a decent tune
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Ram It Down is pretty spotty, but damn it if that title track isn't one helluva bad ass song. That dual guitar solo is madness! :metal :metal And of course I will always express my undying love for Blood Red Skies. :biggrin:
What Glen is doing in that second half of the solo in RID is unbelievable.
I really like RIT. I'll back the songs J mentioned but Heavy Metal is fun and cheesy with another one of Tipton's finest moments and even Monsters of Rock is enjoyable.
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That one is okay. The only other song I like that from that record is probably Monsters of Cock.
Is that Rob's working title for the song?
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That one is okay. The only other song I like that from that record is probably Monsters of Cock.
Is that Rob's working title for the song?
The song has quite a climax.
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Ram It Down is pretty spotty, but damn it if that title track isn't one helluva bad ass song. That dual guitar solo is madness! :metal :metal And of course I will always express my undying love for Blood Red Skies. :biggrin:
What Glen is doing in that second half of the solo in RID is unbelievable.
I really like RIT. I'll back the songs J mentioned but Heavy Metal is fun and cheesy with another one of Tipton's finest moments and even Monsters of Rock is enjoyable.
I’m another RID fan. Side 1 is aces for me. Add to that BRS and the guitar intro to JBG and overall a very fun record. It’s dropped a little in my rankings but still upper mid-tier.
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That album is quite underwhelming as a whole, I even prefer Turbo. The only song I truly adore is the title track, which might be top 5 material for me.
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That album is quite underwhelming as a whole, I even prefer Turbo. The only song I truly adore is the title track, which might be top 5 material for me.
I think what taints RID is the fillers are some of Priest's lowest points so it makes it seem worse than what it actually might be, if that makes sense.
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That one is okay. The only other song I like that from that record is probably Monsters of Cock.
Is that Rob's working title for the song?
The song has quite a climax.
It's a grower.
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I would say that Ram it Down is one of Priest’s most underrated albums.
The title track and Hard as Iron are two scorchers!
Blood Red Skies is one of their best songs in their entire discography. Everything about that song rules.
And I’m a Rocker is one of my personal favorite songs! :metal
I could probably do without Johnny b Goode, but it’s still a decent tune
I forgot "Hard as Iron." That song is great. One of Dave Holland's best songs.
I agree that RiD is underrated. About half of it is great (title track, Iron, Blood, Rocker, Monsters), and the other half is not so much. Johnny B. Goode is particularly cringeworthy (and unfortunately so since it got a lot of airplay being a cover of a classic rock track). All in all, a massive improvement over Turbo, which is the only Priest album I had on vinyl and didn't replace on CD when I trashed my vinyl.
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Turbo is not great, but Out in the Cold is a killer tune, and I like Reckless and Hot for Love both quite a bit as well. On the flip side, Private Property and Parental Guidance... :facepalm:
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I forgot "Hard as Iron." That song is great. One of Dave Holland's best songs.
Are you being cheeky here?
Turbo is not great, but Out in the Cold is a killer tune, and I like Reckless and Hot for Love both quite a bit as well. On the flip side, Private Property and Parental Guidance... :facepalm:
Out in the Cold was an good song and a killer opener.
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I forgot "Hard as Iron." That song is great. One of Dave Holland's best songs.
Are you being cheeky here?
No. There aren't a lot of songs where Holland's drumming stood out. HAI is one of the few.
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I would say that Ram it Down is one of Priest’s most underrated albums.
The title track and Hard as Iron are two scorchers!
Blood Red Skies is one of their best songs in their entire discography. Everything about that song rules.
And I’m a Rocker is one of my personal favorite songs! :metal
I could probably do without Johnny b Goode, but it’s still a decent tune
I forgot "Hard as Iron." That song is great. One of Dave Holland's best songs.
I agree that RiD is underrated. About half of it is great (title track, Iron, Blood, Rocker, Monsters), and the other half is not so much. Johnny B. Goode is particularly cringeworthy (and unfortunately so since it got a lot of airplay being a cover of a classic rock track). All in all, a massive improvement over Turbo, which is the only Priest album I had on vinyl and didn't replace on CD when I trashed my vinyl.
I always wondered what the original track listing was supposed to be. Like if the "Twin Turbos" album would have actually happened, would it have been the same setup with one disc of synth heavy cuts, and another heavier disc like exactly what we got? Or would have have mixed the tracks to create a more balanced album.
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I forgot "Hard as Iron." That song is great. One of Dave Holland's best songs.
Are you being cheeky here?
No. There aren't a lot of songs where Holland's drumming stood out. HAI is one of the few.
The drums on RID are a drum machine. So a drum machine playing better than Holland makes sense then really.
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I forgot "Hard as Iron." That song is great. One of Dave Holland's best songs.
Are you being cheeky here?
No. There aren't a lot of songs where Holland's drumming stood out. HAI is one of the few.
The drums on RID are a drum machine. So a drum machine playing better than Holland makes sense then really.
I believe he played on a few songs, but there was no way he was playing HaI. That was way, way outside of his capabilities. Enter Scott Travis.
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Hard As Iron is very obvious drum machine.
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Firepower is sounding better now than it did at first. Still not sure I am buying the "return to form" hype, but it's better than I thought at first. No Priest classics, but a number of good songs.
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Hard As Iron is very obvious drum machine.
And now I've learned something new today! Not surprising now that I listen to it more carefully.
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Firepower is sounding better now than it did at first. Still not sure I am buying the "return to form" hype, but it's better than I thought at first. No Priest classics, but a number of good songs.
Traitor's Gate, bro.
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Traitor's Gate, bro.
That is a solid tune.
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Firepower got random plays from me all summer and I never once got tired of hearing it. That's the strongest record they've put out in a very long time, maybe since the reunion with Rob, if not going back farther.
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My favorite so far on Firepower is "Rising from Ruin," but it's a consistently good album.
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My favorite so far on Firepower is "Rising from Ruin," but it's a consistently good album.
Ditto
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Traitor's Gate, bro.
That is a solid tune.
At first it was just good when the album come out, but now IMO it's a Priest classic, easily.
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I think Firepower is easily the best Priest album since Painkiller. I didn't think they'd reach such heights this late in the game. Children of the Sun was the highlight on the last spin, but I do like all the songs, well, except for Flamethrower due to its silliness. Priest has always had those embarrassingly silly songs sprinkled here and there. It's endearing.
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I think Firepower is easily the best Priest album since Painkiller. I didn't think they'd reach such heights this late in the game. Children of the Sun was the highlight on the last spin, but I do like all the songs, well, except for Flamethrower due to its silliness. Priest has always had those embarrassingly silly songs sprinkled here and there. It's endearing.
I agree. Definitely for me the best Priest album since Painkiller.
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With all due respect, being the best Priest album since Painkiller is not a very high bar to clear.
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Neither is Clockwork Angels being the best album since Moving Pictures. :P
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Neither is Clockwork Angels being the best album since Moving Pictures. :P
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:P
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:lol
I loved that show. I had a best friend in the 9th grade and I swear, Red Foreman was based on his father. Looks, tone, sarcasm. Everything.
We used to go in the basement and drink his beers. :lol
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There is no way I believe you had a best friend in 9th grade...;)
But yeah, that show was awesome. :coolio
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That show is legend.
I bought a set of Bun E's Bootlegs (official bootlegs put out by Cheap Trick) and there's a hidden video on one of them that is Cheap Trick playing the theme song in the Foreman's living room.
By the way, Tanya Roberts is (or I guess, was) a hot little number.
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Neither is Clockwork Angels being the best album since Moving Pictures. :P
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You spelled "Signals" wrong.
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I am really excited about Priest's new tour, and will be interviewing Ian Hill this Thursday!!!! Unfortunately I only have a 15 minute slot, but it will be amazing anyway.
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K.K reached out to the band regarding their 50th and it sounds like the band told him to stuff it. Seems with Glenn unable to really perform that having K.K step back in would be nice. Guess not.
https://www.facebook.com/kkdowningsteelmill/posts/10162736648945061
K.K.Downing press release:
”First of all, I want to once again express my huge appreciation to all fans worldwide for the overwhelmingly positive response to my Bloodstock appearance in August and the Wolverhampton gig in early November. I am truly humbled and grateful.
I am also taken aback with the compelling fan outcry for me to participate in the Judas Priest 50th anniversary celebrations next year. Consequently, I felt the right thing to do was to reach out to my former band-mates to gather their thoughts on this, and their response is they are not receptive to my participation in the band and they do not intend to include me in the 50th anniversary celebrations.
However, the great news for the fans is that I will be continuing to forge ahead, I am looking very much forward to seeing you all on the road in 2020. Together we will take on the world”
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Kenny needs to put Priest behind him and salvage some dignity. I suspect he was right to leave when he did, and now that circumstances have changed it'd be great for everybody for him to join them again, but they're clearly not interested and made that pretty clear a long time ago. Time to move on. In the meantime, Richie Falkner just becomes classier every day. Dude's got a real talent for sticking to the highroad.
That said, I haven't bothered to see Priest the last 4 or 5 times they came through. Rob can't sing and it's just not the same without Downing and Tipton. If KK Downing were to tour with Les Binks and Ripper Owens I'd be all over that, though.
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Kenny needs to put Priest behind him and salvage some dignity. I suspect he was right to leave when he did, and now that circumstances have changed it'd be great for everybody for him to join them again, but they're clearly not interested and made that pretty clear a long time ago. Time to move on. In the meantime, Richie Falkner just becomes classier every day. Dude's got a real talent for sticking to the highroad.
That said, I haven't bothered to see Priest the last 4 or 5 times they came through. Rob can't sing and it's just not the same without Downing and Tipton. If KK Downing were to tour with Les Binks and Ripper Owens I'd be all over that, though.
I kind of agree but now without Tipton there, it would make sense for the band to welcome KK back IMO. It would be weird seeing both Richie and KK on stage together but Richie can easily handle Glen's parts. Sneap is not a fit. Saying that it doesn't matter now but a 50th celebration without either KK or Glen just doesn't seem right.
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The problem is that Richie is KK's replacement, not Glenn's. I'm sure it would not be terribly difficult for him to learn Glenn's solos, but still he's filling KK's position, it would be like having two of them.
I guess the band didn't really like KK bailing on them, kinda like when Adrian Smith left Iron Maiden and with it lost his "seniority" in the band and joined back in 1999 as "the new guy" and would have been the first to go if the three guitars line-up didn't work.
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The problem is that Richie is KK's replacement, not Glenn's. I'm sure it would not be terribly difficult for him to learn Glenn's solos, but still he's filling KK's position, it would be like having two of them.
I guess the band didn't really like KK bailing on them, kinda like when Adrian Smith left Iron Maiden and with it lost his "seniority" in the band and joined back in 1999 as "the new guy" and would have been the first to go if the three guitars line-up didn't work.
But Andy isn't even playing Glen's parts is he? From what I saw Richie was playing most of the leads anyway. I know he played Painkiller and did a great job. I get he is KK's replacement, but IMO that could easily be overlooked. Seems like the band don't want to though.
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I'm just asking a question here, but was there REALLY a "compelling fan outcry"? I'm skeptical.
In any event, I think El Barto has it right.
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The problem is that Richie is KK's replacement, not Glenn's. I'm sure it would not be terribly difficult for him to learn Glenn's solos, but still he's filling KK's position, it would be like having two of them.
I guess the band didn't really like KK bailing on them, kinda like when Adrian Smith left Iron Maiden and with it lost his "seniority" in the band and joined back in 1999 as "the new guy" and would have been the first to go if the three guitars line-up didn't work.
Invite him back but with the stipulation that he dyes his hair brown and stays on the right side of the stage.
And I think there is an "unspoken" outcry. Everybody but Priest, or perhaps Priest's management, would like to see him return. But like I said, I'd rather see KK with Binks and Owens than Priest, even with KK back.
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Bumpetee bump.
I know there are discography threads out there, but I don't feel up for such a mammoth task, so I felt like doing something different: a shotout to lesser famous and "unkown" songs from Priest's catalogue, album by album. Got the idea browsing quickly through their entire lyrics when I had some time to kill some days ago...
What qualifies as an "obscure song" may vary from fan to fan, maybe the songs I will list are all well known to everyone who's a dedicated Priest fan, but I wanted to find in each album something worthwhile without relying on the usual hits and famous songs.
So, let's start, album from album, a shotout to "forgotten" Priest songs:
ROCKA ROLLA - Run of the Mill
The first epic by the guys, moody and melanchonic with a nice (obviously) vintage sound. A sign of things to come for sure.
SAD WINGS OF DESTINY - Dreamer Deceiver
The album famous for the first two tracks (Victim of Changes and The Ripper) has this absolute masterpiece of a song, once again an epic-ish slow piece with insanely high vocals from Rob. Again, I'm not pretending nobody but me knows these songs I'll list, I think and hope Priest fans know this, but it's not the first song people think of when reminiscing about Sad Wings.
SIN AFTER SIN - Starbreaker
One of my favorite albums, even though it's not an undisputed classic. Starbreaker talks of the title character who "comes but once a lifetime" and ironically enough, they play the song live once in a lifetime, it finally came back only for the "farewell" tour. Again, I don't think it's an unknown song, but surely not among the most famous while it should well damn be.
STAINED CLASS - Stained Class
This is the album that is loved by many, but that I don't really appreciate fully. Of course Beyond the Realms of Death is the undisputed masterpiece but Rob Halford, when solo, resurrected the title track and it was a damn fine rocking tune.
HELL BENT FOR LEATHER - Before the Dawn
A lovely, haunting and delicate ballad. Priest had a handful of these back in the days and this song is an absolute highlight of the album.
BRITISH STEEL - The Rage
In an album full of easy listening classics, this song might be overlooked but it's a fine groovy song with a great buildup. The spotlight is on the other songs, but this is one of the strongest yet.
POINT OF ENTRY - Desert Plains
Eh, here I'll cheat a bit. Not the biggest fan of the album, so I nominate what I guess is one of the most known songs of the album - but not as the opening Heading Out to the Highway - , that has been rarely played live (I guess?) while it should have been the first go-to song when wanting to homage this album.
SCREAMING FOR VENGEANCE - Fever
Once again a great ballad from Priest, captivating and with a great chorus. We all know which songs got historical with this one, but the ballad here once again is on point.
DEFENDERS OF THE FAITH - Night Comes Down
With an album chock full of classic songs, I feel that also on here it's the ballad that gets overlooked. Even better than Fever and a great breather in a kickass and magnificent album before the final celebration of Heavy Duty (that flows into the title track).
TURBO - Reckless
The highlight of the album. Great rocking and catchy song that on another album would have become a minor classic. Fun fact: it was intended for Top Gun, but Priest refused because the album would have been too short and they thought the movie would suck anyway. When Top Gun became a smash hit they regretted, learnt their lesson, and so on their following album they agreed to have a song starring in a movie, Johnny B. Good.... which was the crappy movie that got them nowhere :D
RAM IT DOWN - Ram it Down
While the album is mediocre at best, the title track was an absolute great way to start it, and should have been more famous and celebrated. It's not the best song of the album, Blood Red Skies is by a mile, but it comes in second. Too bad the album isn't nearly as strong as this one.
PAINKILLER - One Shot at Glory
It's difficult to pick an "obscure" song from this fan favorite where every song is famous, but I don't think the closing song is revered and celebrated as it should be. What a way to close an amazing album. Totally deserving to be played live more often.
JUGULATOR - Cathedral Spires
Once again a pretty safe bet, I assume most agree this is one of the highlights of the album, but still it was worth a shout out (looking at songs never played live from this record). They were able of brilliant stuff even without Rob.
DEMOLITION - Feed on Me
This album is kinda a mess and they didn't really know what they were doing but this song is catchy and is one of the things to be salvaged from this album.
ANGEL OF RETRIBUTION - Hellrider
Could have named Worth Fighting For or Eulogy, but I went for a fine heavy song, a mini-epic basically. It didn't survive its original tour, but it's top notch stuff from the reunion album.
NOSTRADAMUS - Pestilence and Plague
The whole album is basically a forgotten one, and I could name any other song, but I go with this one 'cause it's one of the best ones in the end, with a nice groove and chorus. Could have named also the title track (Why in the blue hell they didn't play it live?) or Lost Love, such a beautiful tender ballad.
REEDEMER OF SOULS - Battle Cry
I don't think it was played live, but just as Hellrider, is a great modern song, catchy and punching. Deserving of being played live.
FIREPOWER - No Surrender
Such a short and easy song, but so catchy and effective! I consider it an higlight of a great album, probably the best one of the reunion.
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Desert Plains and Dreamer Deceiver are both borderline top 5 Priest tunes for me, and I am a huge fan of Run of the Mill, Fever (most underrated Priest song ever), Night Comes Down, Before the Dawn, Ram It Down and The Rage, so I like this idea. :metal :metal
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Cool idea.
Dreamer Deceiver is probably my favourite Priest song actually, it's just amazing.
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SIN AFTER SIN - Starbreaker
One of my favorite albums, even though it's not an undisputed classic. Starbreaker talks of the title character who "comes but once a lifetime" and ironically enough, they play the song live once in a lifetime, it finally came back only for the "farewell" tour. Again, I don't think it's an unknown song, but surely not among the most famous while it should well damn be.
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POINT OF ENTRY - Desert Plains
Eh, here I'll cheat a bit. Not the biggest fan of the album, so I nominate what I guess is one of the most known songs of the album - but not as the opening Heading Out to the Highway - , that has been rarely played live (I guess?) while it should have been the first go-to song when wanting to homage this album.
SCREAMING FOR VENGEANCE - Fever
Once again a great ballad from Priest, captivating and with a great chorus. We all know which songs got historical with this one, but the ballad here once again is on point.
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RAM IT DOWN - Ram it Down
While the album is mediocre at best, the title track was an absolute great way to start it, and should have been more famous and celebrated. It's not the best song of the album, Blood Red Skies is by a mile, but it comes in second. Too bad the album isn't nearly as strong as this one.
PAINKILLER - One Shot at Glory
It's difficult to pick an "obscure" song from this fan favorite where every song is famous, but I don't think the closing song is revered and celebrated as it should be. What a way to close an amazing album. Totally deserving to be played live more often.
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FIREPOWER - No Surrender
Such a short and easy song, but so catchy and effective! I consider it an higlight of a great album, probably the best one of the reunion.
Starbreaker is a really good song with a great guitar solo.
Desert Plains is one of my favorite Priest songs. My band used to play it back when we had a singer who idolized Rob Halford (which meant that he actually sung the song like it was supposed to be sung, as opposed to our pre-existing originals....).
Fever definitely gets overlooked on Screaming for Vengeance, but it's not alone in that regard. Bloodstone, Take These Chains and Devil's Child are all underrated Priest songs.
Ram It Down and One Shot at Glory are probably my favorite songs on their respective albums.
Firepower was the first Priest album I bought since Painkiller (other than a digital download of Nostradamus) (something I need to remedy). Rising from Ruins is by far my favorite song on the album, but the whole album is really good, and No Surrender is one of the better songs.
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I'll single out Last Rose of Summer from Sin After Sin. It's an uncharacteristic song for Priest, but I was pleasantly surprised by how nicely they pull off such a lovely, chilled-out tune.
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Great post and idea MirrorMask. RID is a top Priest song for me, and I really think Night Comes Down is one of their best ballads and very underrated.
For Sin After Sin, I'd pick Here Comes the Tears. That's a top 10 Priest song for me.
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Great post and idea MM.
Bands like Judas Priest, Iron Maiden and Rush have such a great discography, I would respect and understand anybody having a favorite song from the entire catalogue. Well maybe if someone said that their favourite Priest song was Cyberface, I might have a couple of questions lol.
Priest has such a vast and awesome catalogue and are known for their heavier tunes, but I feel that they don’t get enough credit for the amazing ballads they have produced. A lot of guys in this thread seem to appreciate the ballads, but I don’t think the band gets the credit or acknowledgement they deserve for these gems. I would even go as far as to say that on many of Priests albums, the ballad or ballads are the stand out track.
And with Priest, many of their obscure or forgotten songs are just as good or even better than their more well known songs.
Rocka Rolla- I don’t listen to this album a lot, but I agree that Run of the Mill is a great song. But for me the title track is the stand out song. I think this would be a great song to bring out for the 50th anniversary as it’s a cool nod to where it started for the band.
Sad Wings of Destiny- Dreamer Deceiver is just spectacular and deserves any acknowledgement it gets as being a gem or someone’s favorite
Sin After Sin- This album is a good example of the heavy metal diversity of the band. Dissident Aggressor, while being a more forgotten song, is one of my personal favorites from the band. I really think it’s one of the heaviest and coolest songs of the 70’s. But the diversity comes into play on this album as they balance it out with a couple more outstanding ballads- Last Rose of Summer and Here Comes the Tears.
Killing Machine- Feel like cranking out a three minute kick ass metal song, just press play on Running Wild. Lots of hidden gems on this one including Rock Forever and Burnin Up. The ballads continue and it doesn’t get much better than Before the Dawn!
Stained Class- Title track is awesome but two other tracks that deserve major kudos are Invaders and Saints in Hell. Fates Warning did a great cover of Saints.
British Steel- This one, Screaming, Defenders and Painkiller are heavy metal royalty. Can’t go wrong with anything from this one but I agree with The Rage; and what a cool opening that song has. Also need to mention Steeler!
Point of Entry- Also agree with Desert Plains :metal. One of my favorites and I think easily one of the best songs ever from the band.
Screaming for Vengeance- I’m sure lots will agree that Hellion/Electric Eye is one of the greatest openers in metal history. Everything is gold on this one but a standout track for me has always been Bloodstone.
Defenders of the Faith- Night Comes Down=perfect ballad. And Love Bites and Eat Me Alive are such cool metal tunes!
Turbo- Priest does hair metal outstanding on this one but I agree about Reckless. Another of my favorites is the power ballad Out in the Cold!
Ram it Down- Blood Red Skies is the easy stand out on here but my personal favorite would be I’m a Rocker. Cheesy lyrics, yes of course, but it still kicks ass.
Painkiller- Touch of Evil might be one of the bands crowning achievements. Everything again on this album is gold but I need to acknowledge Hell Patrol and Between the Hammer and the Anvil.
When it comes to the Ripper albums I’m sure most would agree about Cathedral Spires. I read in a interview with Rob last week that he is open to singing some Ripper songs next year. I can’t imagine they would try and tackle this one, but that would be very cool. In discussing albums, I should also note that 98 Live Meltdown has one of the best vocal performances I’ve ever heard. It would be cool if they brought in Ripper for a show or two next year. It seems like they are all still friends and it’s clear that Rob respects the job Ripper did filling in.
In regards to the reunion albums, the two standout tracks for me are Hellrider and No Surrender. Wow those are awesome tunes. As for Nostradamus, the song Prophecy is awesome but overall that album was just too tedious for me.
I agree Priest has lots of amazing obscure and forgotten tracks so hopefully some are played next year.
But of course Judas Priest is :metal :metal :metal :metal
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For Sin After Sin, I'd pick Here Comes the Tears. That's a top 10 Priest song for me.
Well, I wanted to nominate that song, but I knew I would pick many more ballads from following albums and I wanted a bit of diversity. But yeah, awesome song!
Rocka Rolla- I don’t listen to this album a lot, but I agree that Run of the Mill is a great song. But for me the title track is the stand out song. I think this would be a great song to bring out for the 50th anniversary as it’s a cool nod to where it started for the band.
Killing Machine- Feel like cranking out a three minute kick ass metal song, just press play on Running Wild. Lots of hidden gems on this one including Rock Forever and Burnin Up. The ballads continue and it doesn’t get much better than Before the Dawn!
Turbo- Priest does hair metal outstanding on this one but I agree about Reckless. Another of my favorites is the power ballad Out in the Cold!
Ram it Down- Blood Red Skies is the easy stand out on here but my personal favorite would be I’m a Rocker. Cheesy lyrics, yes of course, but it still kicks ass.
Painkiller- Touch of Evil might be one of the bands crowning achievements. Everything again on this album is gold but I need to acknowledge Hell Patrol and Between the Hammer and the Anvil.
I left the one I agree with (well, not that I disagree strongly with anything but these choices are the closest to my tastes as well), I agree that Rocka Rolla is a fine little tune that could use a modern interpretation and I'm glad to see someone else mention Reckless, such a great song. I'm a Rocker is a song I heard live, and went down very well, classic short and easy live song just like No Surrender.
And yeah, Painkiller is gold from start to finish but Hell Patrol is bombastic and kicks all kind of asses :metal
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Well maybe if someone said that their favourite Priest song was Cyberface, I might have a couple of questions lol.
You just made Scott Travis cry Jason. :rollin
Agree with I'm a Rocker. At least a top 20 Priest track for me, it's amazing and Glen's work on this is just brilliant. Heavy Metal I always had a soft spot for too.
And while you're mentioning ballads, Prisoner of Your Eyes, holy shit!! :hefdaddy
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I think Rob Halford's solo and reworked version is even better!
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I think Rob Halford's solo and reworked version is even better!
I've heard that a lot of times but I just can't agree. The solo is just magic. I'm not a fan of that being taken out.
His version of Heart of A Lion though is awesome.
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Well, fair enough.
But if we're discussing extra tracks not released on original albums, let me mention also Living Bad Dreams from the Painkiller sessions :metal I see why they wanted to leave out a mellow song from such a balls to the walls album and there was already A Touch of Evil on the album, but it's a great song with both atmospheric and soaring vocals :hat
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In regards to the extra tracks, Thunder Road was a super catchy tune
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Well, fair enough.
But if we're discussing extra tracks not released on original albums, let me mention also Living Bad Dreams from the Painkiller sessions :metal I see why they wanted to leave out a mellow song from such a balls to the walls album and there was already A Touch of Evil on the album, but it's a great song with both atmospheric and soaring vocals :hat
Should have been on the album. Wonderful tune.
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I have a few gaps in my JP collection, is Nostradamus worth checking out?
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I have a few gaps in my JP collection, is Nostradamus worth checking out?
It's basically their Astonishing. I consider it a great album, full of nice songs and a few standouts one, the Priest sound is there, it's just covered in synths here and there and with a theatrical approach. Personally I consider Turbo more distant from Priest's sound than Nostradamus, but I know many fans didn't really appreciate the album.
Try to imagine what it would be like if Judas Priest made their own version of The Astonishing.... if you think it suits you, go for it! or, if you want to warm your palate to it, try to check the opening track (Prophecy) and the title track (Nostradamus) which are fairly standard Priest songs, just to get an idea that yes, it's still them in the end.
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It's The Astonishing, except good. :)
Nah, I mean that to be funny, but I don't think it's as polarizing as The Astonishing. Yeah, it's a two CD story, but it's based in something more... tangible and is, I think, closer to the core of what Priest is than TA is to Dream Theater.
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I'm a huge Turbo album fan, so I think I might just like Nostradamus :yarr
That said I can't stand TA, in fact it's the first DT album that I passed on buying.
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I made a single cd version of the album with a lot of the fluff taken out and it's excellent and much more enjoyable. Wasn't a big fan of the double cd thing on a whole.
Yes, it's lightyears better than The Astonishing though.
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If this is a stupid idea, just ignore me.
But just for fun...if you are calling the shots, and Judas Priest comes to you with the Twin Turbos idea, how would you take all the material from Turbo and Ram it Down and resequence it into a cohesive double album called “Twin Turbos”? Would you leave record 1 synthy and the 2nd record heavy like it is? Or would you mix up the songs a bit to try to give it a complete “flow” of sorts?
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If this is a stupid idea, just ignore me.
But just for fun...if you are calling the shots, and Judas Priest comes to you with the Twin Turbos idea, how would you take all the material from Turbo and Ram it Down and resequence it into a cohesive double album called “Twin Turbos”? Would you leave record 1 synthy and the 2nd record heavy like it is? Or would you mix up the songs a bit to try to give it a complete “flow” of sorts?
The band was going to do the former, as I understand it. One album synthy and one more heavy.
They also have several songs cut with pop producers Stock-Aitken-Waterman ("You Spin Me Round (Like A Record)", "Never Gonna Give You Up", "Venus") that have never been released. I'd personally like to hear those. Some of my more favorite Priest songs were the ones where they went beyond the cartoon-y "mettle" caricature.
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If this is a stupid idea, just ignore me.
But just for fun...if you are calling the shots, and Judas Priest comes to you with the Twin Turbos idea, how would you take all the material from Turbo and Ram it Down and resequence it into a cohesive double album called “Twin Turbos”? Would you leave record 1 synthy and the 2nd record heavy like it is? Or would you mix up the songs a bit to try to give it a complete “flow” of sorts?
I would probably leave them as is since they sound so different, but my real advice would be to take the best of each and make it into a single, as I only like about half of each album (at most) and a double album with that many skippers would be a mess.
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If this is a stupid idea, just ignore me.
But just for fun...if you are calling the shots, and Judas Priest comes to you with the Twin Turbos idea, how would you take all the material from Turbo and Ram it Down and resequence it into a cohesive double album called “Twin Turbos”? Would you leave record 1 synthy and the 2nd record heavy like it is? Or would you mix up the songs a bit to try to give it a complete “flow” of sorts?
I would probably leave them as is since they sound so different, but my real advice would be to take the best of each and make it into a single, as I only like about half of each album (at most) and a double album with that many skippers would be a mess.
I agree (mostly).
Releasing them together as one synth album and one metal album isn't much different than what we got: one crappy album and one half-good album that seemed better in comparison.
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If this is a stupid idea, just ignore me.
But just for fun...if you are calling the shots, and Judas Priest comes to you with the Twin Turbos idea, how would you take all the material from Turbo and Ram it Down and resequence it into a cohesive double album called “Twin Turbos”? Would you leave record 1 synthy and the 2nd record heavy like it is? Or would you mix up the songs a bit to try to give it a complete “flow” of sorts?
I would probably leave them as is since they sound so different, but my real advice would be to take the best of each and make it into a single, as I only like about half of each album (at most) and a double album with that many skippers would be a mess.
I agree (mostly).
Releasing them together as one synth album and one metal album isn't much different than what we got: one crappy album and one half-good album that seemed better in comparison.
Not sure, but maybe it's because Turbo and Metal Works were two of the early cd's I ever bought, but to me 70's and 80's Judas Priest can basically do no wrong. I've listened to their albums many times and Turbo and Ram it Down are signs of the times, but still kick ass and have many awesome songs. I might be biased but listening to Turbo Lover, Locked In, Out in the Cold, Hot For Love, Reckless, Ram it Down, Come and Get it, Hard as Iron, Blood Red Skies, and especially I'm a Rocker, confirms that these two albums are major kick ass. Every other song on Turbo and Ram it Down that I didn't mention range between good-very good, so I would say these two albums are outstanding.
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The only songs I'd cut from the two albums if I were forced are Wild Nights, Love Zone and Love You To Death. Come and Get it could probably go too.
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The only songs I'd cut from the two albums if I were forced are Wild Nights, Love Zone and Love You To Death. Come and Get it could probably go too.
But you still gotta admit admit those above mentioned songs are still pretty darn good.
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The only songs I'd cut from the two albums if I were forced are Wild Nights, Love Zone and Love You To Death. Come and Get it could probably go too.
But you still gotta admit admit those above mentioned songs are still pretty darn good.
Ohh..........they are okay I guess. Wild Nights is okay, but the Ram it Down three aren't Priests best songs. I've learned to accept them more over time.
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The skippers on those two albums are not good, but Ram It Down, Blood Red Skies and Out in the Cold are all god-tier Priest tunes in my book, and Turbo Lover, Reckless and Monsters of Rock are all keepers as well.
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I could make a fairly solid EP of those two albums. :lol
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About mixing those two albums... from Ram It Down I'd pick Ram It Down, I'm a Rocker, Hard as Iron, the absolutely magnificent and wonderful Blood Red Skies and Monster of Rock. From Turbo definitively Turbo Lover, Reckless and Out in the Cold, about the remaining two songs to make it even and make it a 5+5 album.... dunno, off the top of my head the rest was pretty bland, pick any two other Turbo songs, I'll agree with you ;D
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I need to go back and relisten to Ram It Down. I like not love Turbo, but I always had the impression that the answer wasn't "the best songs from both", it was a new album somewhere in between. A little heavier than Turbo, but a little more melodic than RID. But I haven't listened to either in years.
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How about this for an EP?
1. Ram it down
2. Turbo lover
3. Private property
4. Blood red skies
5. Out in the cold
6. Monsters of rock
That was the best I could do. :lol
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I think you some of you guys need to revisit Turbo and Ram it Down. Some awesome and underappreciated songs on those two albums.
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Maybe I'll run through them tonight..
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I think you some of you guys need to revisit Turbo and Ram it Down. Some awesome and underappreciated songs on those two albums.
Yeah, I'm leaning with Jason here. Both are very enjoyable albums in my book, with some rippers on there.
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Probably been 30 years since I listened to Turbo. Seriously.
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I think you some of you guys need to revisit Turbo and Ram it Down. Some awesome and underappreciated songs on those two albums.
Yeah, I'm leaning with Jason here. Both are very enjoyable albums in my book, with some rippers on there.
You misremember, Ripper was on Jugulator and Demolition only.
;D
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I think you some of you guys need to revisit Turbo and Ram it Down. Some awesome and underappreciated songs on those two albums.
Yeah, I'm leaning with Jason here. Both are very enjoyable albums in my book, with some rippers on there.
You misremember, Ripper was on Jugulator and Demolition only.
;D
Wow, I wondered if anyone would take this opportunity and it didn't take long at all. :lol
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Probably been 30 years since I listened to Turbo. Seriously.
Wow!! It's a nice album. Turbo Lover, Locked In, Out in the Cold, Hot For Love, Reckless, all very good songs.
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Probably been 30 years since I listened to Turbo. Seriously.
Wow!! It's a nice album. Turbo Lover, Locked In, Out in the Cold, Hot For Love, Reckless, all very good songs.
You have to remember and respect that these are the types of albums that I only listen to 😂.....trust me they are extremely good
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I just listened to Turbo in the shower and while prepping dinner and it was better than I remember. A little too much gloss on the chorus vocals, but the songs are pretty good (I could care less about the keyboards; that was never an issue for me).
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I just listened to Turbo in the shower and while prepping dinner and it was better than I remember. A little too much gloss on the chorus vocals, but the songs are pretty good (I could care less about the keyboards; that was never an issue for me).
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Um..my review is in The Cool Thread. ;D
Let's just say that Stadler and I do not see eye to eye on this. :lol
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I just listened to Turbo in the shower and while prepping dinner and it was better than I remember. A little too much gloss on the chorus vocals, but the songs are pretty good (I could care less about the keyboards; that was never an issue for me).
Did you keep your hands off private property? :P
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I just listened to Turbo in the shower and while prepping dinner and it was better than I remember. A little too much gloss on the chorus vocals, but the songs are pretty good (I could care less about the keyboards; that was never an issue for me).
Did you keep your hands off private property? :P
nah, I heard he was reckless.
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nah, I heard he was reckless.
We'll need a review soon of Ram It Down as well, and what you guys think of the Monsters of COCK.
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Let's just say I was locked in, and leave it at that. :)
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Let's just say I was locked in, and leave it at that. :)
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Been listening to a lot of Priest lately. Still can’t get into Nostradamus. Anyway, some awesome tunes cited by the “OP”. I agree with most of the choices. As for the other topic, Ram it Down is actually is my pick for most underrated album. I know the production choices and triggered drums don’t do it any favors but Halford Tipton and Downing where on fire on that album.
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The great thing about Priest from 1974-1990 is that every single album in that stretch has at least a few killer songs that I wouldn't want to do without. Even the lesser albums still have very high highs.
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Been listening to a lot of Priest lately. Still can’t get into Nostradamus. Anyway, some awesome tunes cited by the “OP”. I agree with most of the choices. As for the other topic, Ram it Down is actually is my pick for most underrated album. I know the production choices and triggered drums don’t do it any favors but Halford Tipton and Downing where on fire on that album.
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I just listened to Turbo in the shower and while prepping dinner and it was better than I remember. A little too much gloss on the chorus vocals, but the songs are pretty good (I could care less about the keyboards; that was never an issue for me).
Did you keep your hands off private property? :P
He was Hard As Iron so I doubt it.
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Finally read KK Downing's book, which was a lot of fun to read. He wrote this perfectly - there wasn't much of a focus on his childhood except to inform the reader as to how events in his youth would shape him as an adult, which helps to explain how or why he handled certain situations in the band in a particular manner. I loved that he touched on the songwriting sessions for each record.
He may have the Blabbermouth potential with some things he says, but I felt that the book itself was incredibly classy with how things were stated. He was honest and direct without simply just trash talking the other members.
Now that Glenn isn't touring with the band anymore, I really would like for Priest to open the door to KK either playing live or rejoining the band in full.
At the least, the book has had me listening to nearly every record over the last two weeks, which has been a fun deep-dive into the catalog (I only own Painkiller, Metal Works, and then the subsequent studio albums since then, along with '98 Live Meltdown).
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How about this for an EP?
1. Ram it down
2. Turbo lover
3. Private property
4. Blood red skies
5. Out in the cold
6. Monsters of rock
That was the best I could do. :lol
I think you some of you guys need to revisit Turbo and Ram it Down. Some awesome and underappreciated songs on those two albums.
Probably been 30 years since I listened to Turbo. Seriously.
I'm with TAC. Between 1987/88 and 1997, I started replacing my vinyl records with CDs, and I would generally trash the vinyl as I did so. In 1997 (maybe 98), I trashed the remaining vinyl because I knew I wasn't going to spend money to replace those albums (stuff like Dokken and Twisted Sister). Turbo was among those albums and was the only Priest album I didn't replace with a CD. I did, however, replace Priest...Live! with a CD, so that's been my only source of the Turbo material the past 22+ years. Most of side 1 of Turbo is laughable. Rock You All Around the World is ok. It's an overpolished version of songs like United and Metal Gods. Locked In is ok. Out in the Code is ok, but it was a baffling choice to the 18 year old me as a concert opener. The rest of side 2 is pretty much forgettable.
Ram It Down is hit or miss, but where it hits, it hits hard. The title track, Hard as Iron, Blood Red Skies and I'm a Rocker are all excellent. On the other hand, you get Heavy Metal, Love Zone and Johnny B. Goode, which are all pretty bad.
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I LOVED Firepower so Id welcome a new JP CD
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Yeah, pg, I have Priest Live on CD too. I also bought the Turbo Remaster so I could get the Kemper Arena show.
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Yeah, pg, I have Priest Live on CD too. I also bought the Turbo Remaster so I could get the Kemper Arena show.
I couldn't justify spending 30 bucks on that remaster with the live cd when we have Priest Live.
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The KC show is much more live than the overdubbed Priest Live. For comparisons, just listen to the chorus of Heading Out To The Highway from each album.
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The KC show is much more live than the overdubbed Priest Live. For comparisons, just listen to the chorus of Heading Out To The Highway from each album.
Might be worth a look. Could also give me an excuse to listen to Turbo again. ;D
I might try and sample it. I would want to make sure the mixing has Glen and KK split over the speakers. That's what does it for me for live albums with bands like Priest, Maiden etc. The Tribulation for example is wonderful because of that style of mixing.
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You can clearly tell them apart. One is in each ear. Not sure who is who.
What I found was that I really didn't care for Priest Live. It never really felt "right" to me for some reason. The Kansas City show is so much better.
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You can clearly tell them apart. One is in each ear. Not sure who is who.
What I found was that I really didn't care for Priest Live. It never really felt "right" to me for some reason. The Kansas City show is so much better.
Alright, I'll add it to the list.
Usually, KK is left and Glenn is on the right.
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You can clearly tell them apart. One is in each ear. Not sure who is who.
What I found was that I really didn't care for Priest Live. It never really felt "right" to me for some reason. The Kansas City show is so much better.
To this day I can't exactly tell you why, but I feel exactly the same way about Priest Live (and I just gave it a re-listen a couple nights ago). It was everything that "Live After Death" wasn't, and I'm not sure I could articulate what I mean by that.
By the way Wolf, I guess it depends where you are, but if you go on Discogs or something like that, you can get that Turbo remaster for as little as $15 (and I'm not talking Chinese knockoff).
I too like the panned guitars, but having said that, I always thought it was really cheesy that the liner notes there for a while had the solo breaks spelled out ("Locked In: first solo first half, KK, first solo second half, Glenn/Second solo first quarter, KK, Second solo second quarter Glenn, second solo third quarter, KK and Glenn, second solo fourth quarter neither KK nor Glenn") I don't know; it sort of rubbed me the wrong way. I don't think you'd ever see that on a Maiden record. Dave Murray would tell you to go f*** yourself. :)
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You can clearly tell them apart. One is in each ear. Not sure who is who.
What I found was that I really didn't care for Priest Live. It never really felt "right" to me for some reason. The Kansas City show is so much better.
To this day I can't exactly tell you why, but I feel exactly the same way about Priest Live (and I just gave it a re-listen a couple nights ago). It was everything that "Live After Death" wasn't, and I'm not sure I could articulate what I mean by that.
By the way Wolf, I guess it depends where you are, but if you go on Discogs or something like that, you can get that Turbo remaster for as little as $15 (and I'm not talking Chinese knockoff).
I too like the panned guitars, but having said that, I always thought it was really cheesy that the liner notes there for a while had the solo breaks spelled out ("Locked In: first solo first half, KK, first solo second half, Glenn/Second solo first quarter, KK, Second solo second quarter Glenn, second solo third quarter, KK and Glenn, second solo fourth quarter neither KK nor Glenn") I don't know; it sort of rubbed me the wrong way. I don't think you'd ever see that on a Maiden record. Dave Murray would tell you to go f*** yourself. :)
Thanks mate, I might have a hunt around. Might even just buy it instore on the weekend for a treat. If you rate the show as high as Tim does then I definitely need to track it down.
You know, as a guitarist, I fucking loved seeing solo credits. It's like the band actually give a fuck about them and class them as important as lyrics to the songs. I'm the opposite, seeing a detailed breakdown warms by guitar heart. I guess it helped me when learning their songs who's solo I'm playing but the live albums helped with that too.
Painkillers always was my fav when it come to the credits and made me pump my fist. Looking at the booklet right now;
Lether Rebel - Glenn & KK - Together
Runs at the end of lead break - KK
haha fuck yeah.
Metal Meltdown - Intro first half - KK
Intro second half - Glenn
1st section of lead break - KK
2nd section of lead break - Glenn
1st section of lead break - KK
2nd section of lead break - Glenn
One Shot At Glory - Entry lick - Glenn
2nd verse entry lick - KK
1st section of lead break - KK
2nd section of lead break - Glenn
3rd section of lead break - Both
Outro - Glenn
Entry lick, runs at the end of lead break, fucking love it! :lol :metal
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I definitely appreciated guitar solo credits. How are you supposed to know who's playing what?
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I suppose. But, yeah, the Painkiller credits were what I was lampooning.
So, since you both seemed to welcome them, do you have a favorite guitarist between the two?
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I suppose. But, yeah, the Painkiller credits were what I was lampooning.
So, since you both seemed to welcome them, do you have a favorite guitarist between the two?
Glenn is so far ahead of KK in terms of guitar playing, it's not even a competition. KK is great and I love his style and a lot of his solos but Glenn is another level. He probably would be a top 5 all time guitarist for me, some of his work and understanding of the instrument and how to articulate solos over chord progressions is unbelievable. Finding out about his illness literlly made me feel sick. Absolute crime that this guy is getting his gift slowly taken away.
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I definitely appreciated guitar solo credits. How are you supposed to know who's playing what?
I like them as a guitarist who can tell who's playing just by listening but would imagine the non player would enjoy them even more. I can totally see why Bill thinks they're cheesy. Look at those Painkiller ones haha.
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So, since you both seemed to welcome them, do you have a favorite guitarist between the two?
Believe it or not, I'm an extremely casual JP fan. I like them a lot, but they've never been a Top 10 band for me. Ever. So I really don't have an opinion on a KK vs GT thing. Never really cared either.
But for a band that has two guitarists, I do like solo credits. Helps me follow along.
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But for a band that has two guitarists, I do like solo credits. Helps me follow along.
Ditto.
And I've always liked KK's soloing better.
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I definitely appreciated guitar solo credits. How are you supposed to know who's playing what?
I like them as a guitarist who can tell who's playing just by listening but would imagine the non player would enjoy them even more. I can totally see why Bill thinks they're cheesy. Look at those Painkiller ones haha.
Remember, I compare everything to Maiden, and it just seems like Dave Murray is far more chill about that stuff (plus I can always tell Dave's solos; they pan their guitars as well). You guys are giving me a different perspective on things; I always assumed it was a "look at us, look how METTLE we are" - which is the one thing I don't care too much for with Priest - but I see your point of view.
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I definitely appreciated guitar solo credits. How are you supposed to know who's playing what?
I like them as a guitarist who can tell who's playing just by listening but would imagine the non player would enjoy them even more. I can totally see why Bill thinks they're cheesy. Look at those Painkiller ones haha.
Remember, I compare everything to Maiden, and it just seems like Dave Murray is far more chill about that stuff (plus I can always tell Dave's solos; they pan their guitars as well). You guys are giving me a different perspective on things; I always assumed it was a "look at us, look how METTLE we are" - which is the one thing I don't care too much for with Priest - but I see your point of view.
They do? All the years listening I didn't think they really had Dave mixed more on the left and Adrian on the right with studio recordings, but I'll go back and check it out.
Glenn is also MILES ahead of both Dave and Adrian also while I'm here.
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I always assumed it was a "look at us, look how METTLE we are" - which is the one thing I don't care too much for with Priest
Bill, I'm as big of a Maiden fan as anyone, but they are just as guilty of having that kind of bravado.
But what you say about Priest is true.
I think the main reason I'm not a huge Priest guy is that their albums in my music formative years were really inconsistent.
Starting with British Steel, it never stood out to me. There's a ton better 1980 albums than that IMO. Point Of Entry kind of blows.
Screaming and Defenders are both great. But the rest of their 80's output, Turbo and Ram It Down are both not good.
There was just so much better music going on at the time. Plus their look was kind of cartoonish.
Even going back to their 70's stuff, it's good. But it just never captured my soul like UFO, Thin Lizzy, & Alice Cooper did.
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There was just so much better music going on at the time. Plus their look was kind of cartoonish.
Even going back to their 70's stuff, it's good. But it just never captured my soul like UFO, Thin Lizzy, & Alice Cooper did.
Alanis Morrisette would like a word with you.
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I always assumed it was a "look at us, look how METTLE we are" - which is the one thing I don't care too much for with Priest
Bill, I'm as big of a Maiden fan as anyone, but they are just as guilty of having that kind of bravado.
But what you say about Priest is true.
I think the main reason I'm not a huge Priest guy is that their albums in my music formative years were really inconsistent.
Starting with British Steel, it never stood out to me. There's a ton better 1980 albums than that IMO. Point Of Entry kind of blows.
Screaming and Defenders are both great. But the rest of their 80's output, Turbo and Ram It Down are both not good.
There was just so much better music going on at the time. Plus their look was kind of cartoonish.
Even going back to their 70's stuff, it's good. But it just never captured my soul like UFO, Thin Lizzy, & Alice Cooper did.
I think if I grew up at the time, I'd share a similar opinion. British Steel never stood out to me either and dare I say, I don't think SFV really deserves the praise it gets. To me Defenders is simply where it's at. That album is legendary for me, as is Painkiller.
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There was just so much better music going on at the time. Plus their look was kind of cartoonish.
Even going back to their 70's stuff, it's good. But it just never captured my soul like UFO, Thin Lizzy, & Alice Cooper did.
Alanis Morrisette would like a word with you.
Not sure I understand the Alanis reference, but the original Alice Cooper band is the most underrated classic rock band going. They wrote music way ahead of its time. If all you (not you personally pg) know is School's Out and 18, that doesn't even scratch the surface of their greatness.
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There was just so much better music going on at the time. Plus their look was kind of cartoonish.
Even going back to their 70's stuff, it's good. But it just never captured my soul like UFO, Thin Lizzy, & Alice Cooper did.
Alanis Morrisette would like a word with you.
I have no clue what this means either.
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There was just so much better music going on at the time. Plus their look was kind of cartoonish.
Even going back to their 70's stuff, it's good. But it just never captured my soul like UFO, Thin Lizzy, & Alice Cooper did.
Alanis Morrisette would like a word with you.
I have no clue what this means either.
I cannot stand Alanis but she had a song called Ironic
I think the idea is that calling Priest catoonish and loving Alice Cooper is ironic.
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I don't understand a word you just said. :lol
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There was just so much better music going on at the time. Plus their look was kind of cartoonish.
Even going back to their 70's stuff, it's good. But it just never captured my soul like UFO, Thin Lizzy, & Alice Cooper did.
Alanis Morrisette would like a word with you.
I have no clue what this means either.
I cannot stand Alanis but she had a song called Ironic
I think the idea is that calling Priest catoonish and loving Alice Cooper is ironic.
Huh, never would have gotten that. :lol
I don't think Priest and Cooper could be both called cartoonish. I think that term for Judas Priest is valid with their imagery in the 80's. Cooper though at the time was innovative and it was something new for the time and shocked people. Wouldn’t think of him as cartoonish. Priest's image at the time was just comical and seemed a bit of a piss take IMO.
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There was just so much better music going on at the time. Plus their look was kind of cartoonish.
Even going back to their 70's stuff, it's good. But it just never captured my soul like UFO, Thin Lizzy, & Alice Cooper did.
Alanis Morrisette would like a word with you.
I have no clue what this means either.
I cannot stand Alanis but she had a song called Ironic
I think the idea is that calling Priest catoonish and loving Alice Cooper is ironic.
Yup.
And, ironically, the lyrics to Ironic had relatively little irony in them.
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I think Alice Cooper never took himself very seriously, and that the character was always meant to have a bit of dark humour attached to it. I remember reading an interview for the last album where he (he as in Vincent Furnier, he always talks of the onstage character Alice Cooper in third person) said something along the lines of "He'll threaten to slit open your throat, and then he'll slip on a banana peel".
The shock and horror were always there, but I don't think Alice Cooper was ever meant to be the ultimate super serious scary guy. You were meant to see the dark humour behind it.
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I've written about this many times here. I frequently call Priest cartoonish, and I stand by that. I think there is a HUGE difference between Alice Cooper and Judas Priest. I'm new to the ACB bandwagon (thanks TAC!) but the Ezrin years material has an edge to it, a darkness, a DANGER, that I never got from Priest.
That's not to say I don't like Priest, because I do, but like TAC (I think) said, there was a lot that blew as well. I think the only albums I like top to bottom are Screaming and Defenders. I like Point of Entry, but recognize it for what it is (and mainly like it because Solar Angels and Desert Plains are killer).
There was also a... I often got a whiff of "calculatedness" to Priest that I didn't get from the other bands I liked. 'arry used to always say "we want to give something to the fans", and they did: wicked b-sides, DVDs packed with documentaries, live shows, etc. Priest says "we want to give something to the fans" and we get a live track from "one of our many world tours", and a couple of live b-sides in the late '70's that never showed up ever again. Really? (And yes, I know I love Kiss, but Kiss never made any bones about being "mettle maniacs" or any of that. Kiss was about banging chicks, period and everything else was a bonus).
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Wanted to buy something on the weekend so I picked up the Turbo 30. It's a nice little package. I've listened to the first cd and it's quite good. Rob sounds good on some, a bit rough on others but all in all the band sound pretty good. The rendition of The Sentinel is fantastic. Locked In also sounded great. I like the mix and sounded nice in the car. Not sure how it compares to Priest Live, I never really listened to that one much at all.
I don't know if the solo credits are listed in the original album off the top of my head but they are listed here and when I'm at home I'll have to list the ones for Locked In, Stadler will lose his shit haha. So detailed they are.
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HAHA.
The Sentinel... if it's not my favorite Priest tune it's way up there.
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The Sentinel is such a kick ass tune :metal
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The Sentinel is my 11yo son's favourite tune - from anyone :lol (serious)
Killer song and possibly my favourite Priest tune also.
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Those opening notes...goosebumps.
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The Sentinel is my 11yo son's favourite tune - from anyone :lol (serious)
Killer song and possibly my favourite Priest tune also.
How cool is the Benster :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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The Sentinel is like my 4th or 5th favorite song off of Defenders of the Faith, but still a good tune. :metal
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The Sentinel is like my 4th or 5th favorite song off of Defenders of the Faith, but still a good tune. :metal
The adults are talking! :P :P Go back to the kids table.
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The Sentinel is like my 4th or 5th favorite song off of Defenders of the Faith, but still a good tune. :metal
The adults are talking! :P :P Go back to the kids table.
LOL, way to be original! :P
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Defenders of the Faith is pretty much one of the defining moments in heavy metal. Required listening for anyone into 80's metal or heavy metal in general.
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It's a top 3 Priest album for me. I wish there was official live albums and dvd's from that tour. I know there's something out there that's semi pro if I recall??
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It's a top 3 Priest album for me. I wish there was official live albums and dvd's from that tour. I know there's something out there that's semi pro if I recall??
The Long Beach '84 show is on the Defenders remaster. There's nothing semi pro about it. It's awesome.
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It's a top 3 Priest album for me. I wish there was official live albums and dvd's from that tour. I know there's something out there that's semi pro if I recall??
The Long Beach '84 show is on the Defenders remaster. There's nothing semi pro about it. It's awesome.
That was my second ever metal concert. The anniversary set is sitting in my Amazon wish list. One of these days I'll pull the trigger.
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It's a top 3 Priest album for me. I wish there was official live albums and dvd's from that tour. I know there's something out there that's semi pro if I recall??
The Long Beach '84 show is on the Defenders remaster. There's nothing semi pro about it. It's awesome.
Fuck of course, I own this one. :facepalm:
It must have been a live video concert that I was thinking of that I always wanted.
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It's a top 3 Priest album for me. I wish there was official live albums and dvd's from that tour. I know there's something out there that's semi pro if I recall??
The Long Beach '84 show is on the Defenders remaster. There's nothing semi pro about it. It's awesome.
That was my second ever metal concert. The anniversary set is sitting in my Amazon wish list. One of these days I'll pull the trigger.
Just do it, it’s great
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Interesting that the band didn't do a 30th edition of RID. I hope they have something special in the works for Painkiller. Live album and DVD of that tour would be sweet.
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That first leg of the Painkiller was freaking awesome.
Priest
Megadeth (RiP tour)
Testament
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That first leg of the Painkiller was freaking awesome.
Priest
Megadeth (RiP tour)
Testament
I remember buying a bootleg from the show from the Winnipeg Arena of this show. Great show, but an official 30th anniversary super deluxe collectors edition of Painkiller would be pretty cool
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That first leg of the Painkiller was freaking awesome.
Priest
Megadeth (RiP tour)
Testament
Holy shit! :metal
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That first leg of the Painkiller was freaking awesome.
Priest
Megadeth (RiP tour)
Testament
I don't think my friends and I arrived in time for Testament, but I distinctly recall sitting down for the Megadeth set (while all around me stood - some on their seats) and balanced my checkbook. And no, I have no idea why I brought my checkbook into a concert. If I'd had my way, I would have missed Megadeth altogether, but my friends liked them.
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That first leg of the Painkiller was freaking awesome.
Priest
Megadeth (RiP tour)
Testament
I don't think my friends and I arrived in time for Testament, but I distinctly recall sitting down for the Megadeth set (while all around me stood - some on their seats) and balanced my checkbook. And no, I have no idea why I brought my checkbook into a concert. If I'd had my way, I would have missed Megadeth altogether, but my friends liked them.
I can say with full confidence that balancing a cheque book isn’t very metal
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That first leg of the Painkiller was freaking awesome.
Priest
Megadeth (RiP tour)
Testament
but I distinctly recall sitting down for the Megadeth set (while all around me stood - some on their seats) and balanced my checkbook.
What the fucking fuck!?
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That first leg of the Painkiller was freaking awesome.
Priest
Megadeth (RiP tour)
Testament
but I distinctly recall sitting down for the Megadeth set (while all around me stood - some on their seats) and balanced my checkbook.
What the fucking fuck!?
My response was more polite. But I agree, what in the fucking fuck fuck?
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I don't understand the reaction. Is that to Megadeth? Because I would have sat down too. Candy Crush, balancing check book, searching Tinder, whatever it takes.
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I can say with full confidence that balancing a cheque book isn’t very metal
What the fucking fuck!?
:lol :lol
I knew what I was going to get when I posted that. But yeah, Megadeth sucks hard.
I don't understand the reaction. Is that to Megadeth? Because I would have sat down too. Candy Crush, balancing check book, searching Tinder, whatever it takes.
I only we'd had smart phones in 1990....
When Vinnie Vincent Invasion opened for Maiden in 1987, my friend and I had really good seats. VVI sucked, and I flipped off the singer (Mark Slaughter?). He returned the flip, and I felt like we made a real connection.
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I can say with full confidence that balancing a cheque book isn’t very metal
What the fucking fuck!?
:lol :lol
I knew what I was going to get when I posted that. But yeah, Megadeth sucks hard.
I don't understand the reaction. Is that to Megadeth? Because I would have sat down too. Candy Crush, balancing check book, searching Tinder, whatever it takes.
I only we'd had smart phones in 1990....
When Vinnie Vincent Invasion opened for Maiden in 1987, my friend and I had really good seats. VVI sucked, and I flipped off the singer (Mark Slaughter?). He returned the flip, and I felt like we made a real connection.
Brother, that got a full-on, no holds barred, laugh out loud. :)
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According to Richie's Twitter page, they're officially writing for a new album. And Glenn Tipton is included in the process.
https://twitter.com/RichieFaulkner
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According to Richie's Twitter page, they're officially writing for a new album. And Glenn Tipton is included in the process.
https://twitter.com/RichieFaulkner
Rob posted this on Facebook on Monday.
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:metal :metal :metal
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:metal :metal :metal
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Hopefully Glenn still can play some killer solos on this new one.
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Why does Ritchie look like that kid at Grandma's birthday party, waiting for the cake to be cut so he can go cruise with his buds?
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Yeah hopefully within the comfort of the studio environment he can still work his magic.
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Why does Ritchie look like that kid at Grandma's birthday party, waiting for the cake to be cut so he can go cruise with his buds?
Haha, couldn't even give the camera some metal horns.
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Why does Ritchie look like that kid at Grandma's birthday party, waiting for the cake to be cut so he can go cruise with his buds?
Haha, couldn't even give the camera some metal horns.
Too cool for the horns
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Rob looks fucking bad ass.
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JUDAS FOREVER,,,,
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Faulkner's wearing a shirt from one of the worst venues in Dallas. I guess it worked well for Priest. Simply pissed me off.
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KK, Tim and Les officially making a band together and writing new material. It's called KK's Priest. The name won't go down well but I'm super excited to hear some material.
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KK, Tim and Les officially making a band together and writing new material. It's called KK's Priest. The name won't go down well but I'm super excited to hear some material.
Just read that, could be interesting.
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KK, Tim and Les officially making a band together and writing new material. It's called KK's Priest. The name won't go down well but I'm super excited to hear some material.
Just read that, could be interesting.
I hope they put some effort into the songs and really make something of it, instead of just relying on the Priest name. It's their chance to really put something strong out there. They kind of need to, especially with the band name. It needs to be somewhat original too, or at least different to the standard Priest vibe.
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What has Les Binks been doing all of these years?
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What has Les Binks been doing all of these years?
I wondered the same thing. I thought he just retired or something and was surprised at the gig he did with KK. Even more surprised he's in a band now with him full time.
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Right, hasn't Al Atkins also crawled out from under a rock in the last year or so?
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Right, hasn't Al Atkins also crawled out from under a rock in the last year or so?
I believe so, but couldn't tell you in what capacity because I don't give a fucking shit.
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Right, hasn't Al Atkins also crawled out from under a rock in the last year or so?
I believe so, but couldn't tell you in what capacity because I don't give a fucking shit.
Pretty sure it was on a search for money, which in all honesty, I'm not sure this isn't. I'll go into it with an open mind though.
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Right, hasn't Al Atkins also crawled out from under a rock in the last year or so?
I believe so, but couldn't tell you in what capacity because I don't give a fucking shit.
Pretty sure it was on a search for money, which in all honesty, I'm not sure this isn't. I'll go into it with an open mind though.
Yeah, despite the band name, I'm all for this and quite looking forward to it. Love KK and love Ripper.
Anyway, speaking of not giving a fucking shit, I'm off to work, late as fuck ahahahaha.
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Go get 'em! :tup :lol
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Firepower was sooooo good... I gotta say it will be tough to top it, it has it all.
such a talented band and Robs voice is pure magic always and forever
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I'm one of the most forgiving people when it comes to former unappreciated members of bands that are relying on what name recognition they have to keep some semblance of a career, but I'm just not feeling this at all.
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Go get 'em! :tup :lol
I'm here and tearning shit up!
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nah, I'm doing fuck all at the moment.
Firepower was sooooo good... I gotta say it will be tough to top it, it has it all.
such a talented band and Robs voice is pure magic always and forever
That's the one thing that makes this whole thing a little tough for them. If this happened after ROS, then I reckon that could come up with something to kick the shit out of it, but I don't see them doing anything near Firepower quality. That's why I said, it needs to be a new seperate beast. If they do a generic Priest rehash, next to Firepower, it will look worse than what it is.
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I'm one of the most forgiving people when it comes to former unappreciated members of bands that are relying on what name recognition they have to keep some semblance of a career, but I'm just not feeling this at all.
Yeah I can see people being bitter about the name, but I couldn't really give a fuck, it's just a name really. If the music is good, whatever.
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I'm one of the most forgiving people when it comes to former unappreciated members of bands that are relying on what name recognition they have to keep some semblance of a career, but I'm just not feeling this at all.
Same here. Ripper Owens can sing, but sounds like a poor man's Rob Halford. It is sad to see that Judas Priest is another aging, classic band that will now basically have two touring factions.
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I'm one of the most forgiving people when it comes to former unappreciated members of bands that are relying on what name recognition they have to keep some semblance of a career, but I'm just not feeling this at all.
Same here. Ripper Owens can sing, but sounds like a poor man's Rob Halford. It is sad to see that Judas Priest is another aging, classic band that will now basically have two touring factions.
agreed
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I'm one of the most forgiving people when it comes to former unappreciated members of bands that are relying on what name recognition they have to keep some semblance of a career, but I'm just not feeling this at all.
Same here. Ripper Owens can sing, but sounds like a poor man's Rob Halford. It is sad to see that Judas Priest is another aging, classic band that will now basically have two touring factions.
I agree totally with this too.
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I don't see Ripper as a "poor man's Halford" at all. Live Meltdown '98 is the best Judas Priest Live album ever recorded.
Ya...I said it. Fight me. :P :hat :coolio
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KK, Tim and Les officially making a band together and writing new material. It's called KK's Priest. The name won't go down well but I'm super excited to hear some material.
DUMB!
I never bought the two Ripper albums, but what I did hear I didn't like.
According to his Wikipedia article, Binks has done a few random thing over the last 40 years, most recently: "During 2017 and 2018, he performed classic Judas Priest songs live with a new band called Les Binks' Priesthood." Are you fucking kidding me???
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Yeah because Dave Holland's.. um.. Priesthood worked out so well.
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Seems to me they've got as much Priest DNA as Rob's version now. And quite honestly, some better members. And if Ripper is a poor man's Rob Halford, what does that make Rob Halford? As fond as I am of the man he hasn't been able to cut it for years. I've skipped the last four or five tours because I find it too depressing. I'd probably go to see this, though.
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Yeah because Dave Holland's.. um.. Priesthood worked out so well.
Don't get me started on that bullshit. I couldn't stand Dave Holland, but God damn that man got screwed over.
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I am not the biggest JP fan but dig some of their stuff. I have only heard 1-2 Ripper songs from the band, but he sounded fine.
However, I am a big fan of Ripper from IE and there's no way Halford would be able to sing some of those songs as well as Ripper. The dude sounds a lot like Halford but he has an amazing voice.
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Yeah because Dave Holland's.. um.. Priesthood worked out so well.
Don't get me started on that bullshit. I couldn't stand Dave Holland, but God damn that man got screwed over.
Oh, is that right?
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Yeah because Dave Holland's.. um.. Priesthood worked out so well.
Don't get me started on that bullshit. I couldn't stand Dave Holland, but God damn that man got screwed over.
Oh, is that right?
Because the details of the allegations were so sordid, and kind of jibed with his and Priest's image, people immediately locked in on him as a child molester. He wasn't, the details were terribly misrepresented, and the crime he was convicted of wasn't even really a crime. Yeah, he got screwed over.
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Oh OK. I'll have to investigate.
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Well, at least he didn't name his band "Judas Priest of Fire".
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The Nightcrawling Priest Jugulators
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I am certainly interested , although from what I have seen of Ripper lately he seems to have lost a lot with his vocals.
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I am certainly interested , although from what I have seen of Ripper lately he seems to have lost a lot with his vocals.
Crazy to think my first concert was seeing this guy with Priest was over 20 years ago now. He was incredible. Definitely lost a lot over the years but I also think it could be an effort thing. Maybe if he really loved and was doing something more solid and permanent and a bit more successful, who knows it may reflect in his vocals. Probably not even close but must be hard doing hslf assed projects after being ditched from Priest then IE.
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He's been screaming like a godly muthafucka throughout his 20s and 30s, to be honest I'm even surprised he didn't ran out of vocal stamina even before Priest parted ways with him. The guy is a monster.
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He's been screaming like a godly muthafucka throughout his 20s and 30s, to be honest I'm even surprised he didn't ran out of vocal stamina even before Priest parted ways with him. The guy is a monster.
Yeah, what he was able to do live with Priest was astonishing.
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His performance on 98 Live Meltdown is spectacular. As far as current performances, I’m going to lean more towards effort. Most of the shows he has played in the last ten years have been small bars. I watched a performance of him singing Cathedral Spires and it looked like it was in a cafe. So he might not be putting in the full effort. He sounded really good on the clips with that last KK show, so maybe this band will rejuvenate both Ripper and KK
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His performance on 98 Live Meltdown is spectacular. As far as current performances, I’m going to lean more towards effort. Most of the shows he has played in the last ten years have been small bars. I watched a performance of him singing Cathedral Spires and it looked like it was in a cafe. So he might not be putting in the full effort. He sounded really good on the clips with that last KK show, so maybe this band will rejuvenate both Ripper and KK
I only watched Riding on the Wind from the recent gigs, but he sounded great, and that's entirely in a high register. Halford actually sounds alright singing it now, but compared to Ripper it's noticeably very thin. Ripper seemed to have some power when he was singing it.
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I liked the version of "Between the Hammer and the Anvil", but all clips sounded great. Hopefully this band can have a bit of staying power, I think Ripper was in three bands last year that were pretty much over as soon as they started- 3 Tremors, Spirits of Fire and New Revenge.
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I liked the version of "Between the Hammer and the Anvil", but all clips sounded great. Hopefully this band can have a bit of staying power, I think Ripper was in three bands last year that were pretty much over as soon as they started- 3 Tremors, Spirits of Fire and New Revenge.
New Revenge? I haven't even heard of that one.
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I liked the version of "Between the Hammer and the Anvil", but all clips sounded great. Hopefully this band can have a bit of staying power, I think Ripper was in three bands last year that were pretty much over as soon as they started- 3 Tremors, Spirits of Fire and New Revenge.
New Revenge? I haven't even heard of that one.
Tell me what you think but I didn't care for it at all
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His performance on 98 Live Meltdown is spectacular. As far as current performances, I’m going to lean more towards effort. Most of the shows he has played in the last ten years have been small bars. I watched a performance of him singing Cathedral Spires and it looked like it was in a cafe. So he might not be putting in the full effort. He sounded really good on the clips with that last KK show, so maybe this band will rejuvenate both Ripper and KK
Speaking of Cathedral Spires, a big draw for this band could be playing that song and more generally stuff that Priest never does. Sure, they've rotated quite a bit the catalogue, they had their fair share of deep cuts since Halford rejoined, but if they play live they should go even further and play forgotten stuff like Spires, rather than just go all down the way of Painkiller / Breaking the Law / You've Got Another Thing Coming / Living After Midnight.
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His performance on 98 Live Meltdown is spectacular. As far as current performances, I’m going to lean more towards effort. Most of the shows he has played in the last ten years have been small bars. I watched a performance of him singing Cathedral Spires and it looked like it was in a cafe. So he might not be putting in the full effort. He sounded really good on the clips with that last KK show, so maybe this band will rejuvenate both Ripper and KK
Speaking of Cathedral Spires, a big draw for this band could be playing that song and more generally stuff that Priest never does. Sure, they've rotated quite a bit the catalogue, they had their fair share of deep cuts since Halford rejoined, but if they play live they should go even further and play forgotten stuff like Spires, rather than just go all down the way of Painkiller / Breaking the Law / You've Got Another Thing Coming / Living After Midnight.
That's a good idea, could be a cool drawing card bringing out the super deep cuts.
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Presumably they'd be sticking with the songs they had writing credits for, so that limits them a fair amount. Downing wasn't a prolific writer. Binks only had one contribution (though it was Realms). Complicating things further, Downing sold his rights away a few years ago to pay the bills. While they can probably play anything they damn well please, there could well be some royalties issues.
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Presumably they'd be sticking with the songs they had writing credits for, so that limits them a fair amount. Downing wasn't a prolific writer. Binks only had one contribution (though it was Realms). Complicating things further, Downing sold his rights away a few years ago to pay the bills. While they can probably play anything they damn well please, there could well be some royalties issues.
Whether or not he was prolific, Dowing is a credited writer on every Priest song from British Steel through Jugulator (except for Take These Chains and Johnny B. Goode) and Angel and Nostradamus, as well as a decent handful of material from the other albums, so it's not like that leaves the cupboard bare. As far as Downing's sale of his publishing rights, that just means he won't receive royalties for any of the performances, which isn't a hindrance.
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Presumably they'd be sticking with the songs they had writing credits for, so that limits them a fair amount. Downing wasn't a prolific writer. Binks only had one contribution (though it was Realms). Complicating things further, Downing sold his rights away a few years ago to pay the bills. While they can probably play anything they damn well please, there could well be some royalties issues.
Whether or not he was prolific, Dowing is a credited writer on every Priest song from British Steel through Jugulator (except for Take These Chains and Johnny B. Goode) and Angel and Nostradamus, as well as a decent handful of material from the other albums, so it's not like that leaves the cupboard bare. As far as Downing's sale of his publishing rights, that just means he won't receive royalties for any of the performances, which isn't a hindrance.
:lol Since we were talking about old songs we'd like to see them go back and play, I only looked at Sad Wings - Stained Class, and assumed those were indicative. I stopped before British Steel as there's only one song I'd want to hear from it.
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A friend who saw Priest a bunch in the 80's saw them last year and swore Halford sounded close to as good as he did back in the day. I am skeptical, to say the least.
Downing should have called his band KK's Lawbreakers. Or he could have given Halford the middle finger and called it KK's Metal Gods.
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Just listened to the studio version of Cathedral Spires for the first time in a long long time. Seriously does that song kick ass or what?
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A friend who saw Priest a bunch in the 80's saw them last year and swore Halford sounded close to as good as he did back in the day. I am skeptical, to say the least.
Downing should have called his band KK's Lawbreakers. Or he could have given Halford the middle finger and called it KK's Metal Gods.
Saw them on Hellbent tour and all tours till defenders and many tours after ,Robs not lost that much , and to me Unleashed in the East in peak but Robs not lost much and thats amazing
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A friend who saw Priest a bunch in the 80's saw them last year and swore Halford sounded close to as good as he did back in the day. I am skeptical, to say the least.
I haven't seen Priest for a few years but Halford miraculously had a bit of a renaissance with his singing. Seriously sounded better than he had in a while. Not late 70s good but for a guy nearing 70, pretty damn good!
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A friend who saw Priest a bunch in the 80's saw them last year and swore Halford sounded close to as good as he did back in the day. I am skeptical, to say the least.
I haven't seen Priest for a few years but Halford miraculously had a bit of a renaissance with his singing. Seriously sounded better than he had in a while. Not late 70s good but for a guy nearing 70, pretty damn good!
They've been taking full advantage of that fact playing things like Saints in Hell which sounds far better that it had any right to at this point
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A friend who saw Priest a bunch in the 80's saw them last year and swore Halford sounded close to as good as he did back in the day. I am skeptical, to say the least.
I haven't seen Priest for a few years but Halford miraculously had a bit of a renaissance with his singing. Seriously sounded better than he had in a while. Not late 70s good but for a guy nearing 70, pretty damn good!
They've been taking full advantage of that fact playing things like Saints in Hell which sounds far better that it had any right to at this point
I watched the [ur=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAYboPgqbfsl]first version that popped up[/url]. He sounds passable, but it's tuned down and he's not trying to sing in the same register for a lot of it. The screams sound good, but the rest of it falls flat. I'm not knocking the guy, he's doing well for is age, but it's just not the same. As for his performances in general, he paces himself. He scales some songs way back vocal wise, and goes all out for others. He always makes sure he's still got gas in the tank for Painkiller. He takes it easy on Diamonds.
On the bright side, he looks great. Glad to see he's able to move around more. Ten years ago he was using a cane here and there. Now he looks fairly spry.
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Right, hasn't Al Atkins also crawled out from under a rock in the last year or so?
I believe so, but couldn't tell you in what capacity because I don't give a fucking shit.
Pretty sure it was on a search for money, which in all honesty, I'm not sure this isn't. I'll go into it with an open mind though.
Yeah, despite the band name, I'm all for this and quite looking forward to it. Love KK and love Ripper.
Anyway, speaking of not giving a fucking shit, I'm off to work, late as fuck ahahahaha.
Screw that. If there's no Ian Hill, then there's no Judas Priest, if you're asking me. :)
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A friend who saw Priest a bunch in the 80's saw them last year and swore Halford sounded close to as good as he did back in the day. I am skeptical, to say the least.
I haven't seen Priest for a few years but Halford miraculously had a bit of a renaissance with his singing. Seriously sounded better than he had in a while. Not late 70s good but for a guy nearing 70, pretty damn good!
They've been taking full advantage of that fact playing things like Saints in Hell which sounds far better that it had any right to at this point
I watched the [ur=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAYboPgqbfsl]first version that popped up[/url]. He sounds passable, but it's tuned down and he's not trying to sing in the same register for a lot of it. The screams sound good, but the rest of it falls flat. I'm not knocking the guy, he's doing well for is age, but it's just not the same. As for his performances in general, he paces himself. He scales some songs way back vocal wise, and goes all out for others. He always makes sure he's still got gas in the tank for Painkiller. He takes it easy on Diamonds.
On the bright side, he looks great. Glad to see he's able to move around more. Ten years ago he was using a cane here and there. Now he looks fairly spry.
He never really was a Bruce or Paul Stanley, running back and forth. I watched the '83 US Festival show not long ago and other than a strut back and forth, he didn't move much.
I'm a fan of Halford, and I give him the benefit of the doubt, but I think you've got it spot on: he's just managing his performance better at this point. Which is fine. I'm not sure I'm going to see them at this point, unless the venue/event is something special. I'm not a huge Ripper fan, but I'd go to see Les Binks.
I do know I saw a recent version of "Diamonds" and LOVED it. I think Rob doesn't have to scream like a banshee to sing well (even if a lot of the songs call for that). I love his normal voice too.
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Rob Halford oozes so much charisma that he can just stand there and look badass. Not everyone can get away with standing perfectly still (see Electric Eye whenever he used to be perched above the drums) or walking around like a robot (Metal Gods) and making it look completely cool instead of ridiculous.
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A friend who saw Priest a bunch in the 80's saw them last year and swore Halford sounded close to as good as he did back in the day. I am skeptical, to say the least.
I haven't seen Priest for a few years but Halford miraculously had a bit of a renaissance with his singing. Seriously sounded better than he had in a while. Not late 70s good but for a guy nearing 70, pretty damn good!
They've been taking full advantage of that fact playing things like Saints in Hell which sounds far better that it had any right to at this point
I watched the [ur=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAYboPgqbfsl]first version that popped up[/url]. He sounds passable, but it's tuned down and he's not trying to sing in the same register for a lot of it. The screams sound good, but the rest of it falls flat. I'm not knocking the guy, he's doing well for is age, but it's just not the same. As for his performances in general, he paces himself. He scales some songs way back vocal wise, and goes all out for others. He always makes sure he's still got gas in the tank for Painkiller. He takes it easy on Diamonds.
On the bright side, he looks great. Glad to see he's able to move around more. Ten years ago he was using a cane here and there. Now he looks fairly spry.
He never really was a Bruce or Paul Stanley, running back and forth. I watched the '83 US Festival show not long ago and other than a strut back and forth, he didn't move much.
You're correct, of course, but I've seen him when he couldn't do much other than lean on a cane. He looked healthier and happier in the vids I've seen from the last tour.
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A friend who saw Priest a bunch in the 80's saw them last year and swore Halford sounded close to as good as he did back in the day. I am skeptical, to say the least.
I saw Priest on every tour from Defenders to Painkiller and also saw them in September 2018. It was a REALLY enjoyable show (Firepower is an excellent album), and Rob was good (esp. for someone who was 67 years old at the time), but he did NOT, by any means, sound close to his heyday.
Downing should have called his band KK's Lawbreakers. Or he could have given Halford the middle finger and called it KK's Metal Gods.
:lol :lol
Screw that. If there's no Ian Hill, then there's no Judas Priest, if you're asking me. :)
Well...he has been the only constant....
It's funny, my best friend and I always had a thing where we'd go all out to cheer for Ian whenever he'd show up on the screen or anything. When I went to the show a couple years ago, I went with a guy who isn't a huge Priest fan, but he was doing the same thing with Ian. It was kinda funny. I always wonder about the guy. He's a completely ordinary bassist with not a single standout moment in the catalog and only a single writing credit. I assume he's John Myung's idol as far as stage performance.
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From what I understand, Ian is actually an integral part of the behind the scenes machinery. I don't know what that means.
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From what I understand, Ian is actually an integral part of the behind the scenes machinery. I don't know what that means.
Maybe so. What I wonder about is the fact that he gets zero songwriting royalties (other than a couple pennies for being one of the three co-writers of one of the nine songs on Stained Class), so all of his income is from album sales, touring and merch (as opposed to Rob and Glenn who have songwriting royalties and Rob who has his "Metal God" brand). I wonder how that compares to Scott Travis, who is a paid employee/independent contractor as opposed to a "full member" of the band.
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From what I understand, Ian is actually an integral part of the behind the scenes machinery. I don't know what that means.
Maybe so. What I wonder about is the fact that he gets zero songwriting royalties (other than a couple pennies for being one of the three co-writers of one of the nine songs on Stained Class), so all of his income is from album sales, touring and merch (as opposed to Rob and Glenn who have songwriting royalties and Rob who has his "Metal God" brand). I wonder how that compares to Scott Travis, who is a paid employee/independent contractor as opposed to a "full member" of the band.
Really? After all this time you'd think they'd have given him a cut. I wonder if that applied to the previous drummers, as well.
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From what I understand, Ian is actually an integral part of the behind the scenes machinery. I don't know what that means.
Maybe so. What I wonder about is the fact that he gets zero songwriting royalties (other than a couple pennies for being one of the three co-writers of one of the nine songs on Stained Class), so all of his income is from album sales, touring and merch (as opposed to Rob and Glenn who have songwriting royalties and Rob who has his "Metal God" brand). I wonder how that compares to Scott Travis, who is a paid employee/independent contractor as opposed to a "full member" of the band.
Really? After all this time you'd think they'd have given him a cut. I wonder if that applied to the previous drummers, as well.
By way of background regarding the highlighted comment: In late 2011, Rob Halford was sued by a guy who was his former manager in connection with non-Judas Priest related activities. In addition to suing Halford and three of his companies, the plaintiffs also sued several JP-related individuals and entities, including Ian Hill, Glenn Tipton, Jayne Andrews and Judas Priest Music Limited. I/my former firm represented all of the defendants in that case, and one of things we did was file motions to get most of the JP-related individuals and entities dismissed for lack of personal jurisdiction. In declarations filed with the court in the spring and summer of 2012, Scott Travis (who was not named as a defendant) was described as an "independent contractor" who had no ownership in either Judas Priest Music Limited or JP Touring, LLP. It's certainly possible that things have changed in the past 7 1/2 years, and I wouldn't know if they had.
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Wasn't questioning the veracity of your post. I was just surprised by it. After 30 years you'd think they would have dealt him in. He seems as much a member as any of the rest of them at this point. Though I suppose it's possible he prefers it this way. I've heard of hired guns coming out ahead in these sorts of deals, and I suspect Travis has some pretty solid leverage at this point for negotiating purposes.
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Wasn't questioning the veracity of your post. I was just surprised by it. After 30 years you'd think they would have dealt him in. He seems as much a member as any of the rest of them at this point. Though I suppose it's possible he prefers it this way. I've heard of hired guns coming out ahead in these sorts of deals, and I suspect Travis has some pretty solid leverage at this point for negotiating purposes.
Understood. I just wanted to be clear that my info is eight years old, so it's possible things have changed. However, my experience is that, when someone comes into a band as a "hired gun," that status doesn't typically change for purposes of the business side.
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From what I understand, Ian is actually an integral part of the behind the scenes machinery. I don't know what that means.
Maybe so. What I wonder about is the fact that he gets zero songwriting royalties (other than a couple pennies for being one of the three co-writers of one of the nine songs on Stained Class), so all of his income is from album sales, touring and merch (as opposed to Rob and Glenn who have songwriting royalties and Rob who has his "Metal God" brand). I wonder how that compares to Scott Travis, who is a paid employee/independent contractor as opposed to a "full member" of the band.
Really? After all this time you'd think they'd have given him a cut. I wonder if that applied to the previous drummers, as well.
By way of background regarding the highlighted comment: In late 2011, Rob Halford was sued by a guy who was his former manager in connection with non-Judas Priest related activities. In addition to suing Halford and three of his companies, the plaintiffs also sued several JP-related individuals and entities, including Ian Hill, Glenn Tipton, Jayne Andrews and Judas Priest Music Limited. I/my former firm represented all of the defendants in that case, and one of things we did was file motions to get most of the JP-related individuals and entities dismissed for lack of personal jurisdiction. In declarations filed with the court in the spring and summer of 2012, Scott Travis (who was not named as a defendant) was described as an "independent contractor" who had no ownership in either Judas Priest Music Limited or JP Touring, LLP. It's certainly possible that things have changed in the past 7 1/2 years, and I wouldn't know if they had.
How metal!
(I say that to be funny and playful; I've got no beef whatsoever with these guys protecting their interest and being business smart. Just the opposite, it's nice to see.)
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From what I understand, Ian is actually an integral part of the behind the scenes machinery. I don't know what that means.
Maybe so. What I wonder about is the fact that he gets zero songwriting royalties (other than a couple pennies for being one of the three co-writers of one of the nine songs on Stained Class), so all of his income is from album sales, touring and merch (as opposed to Rob and Glenn who have songwriting royalties and Rob who has his "Metal God" brand). I wonder how that compares to Scott Travis, who is a paid employee/independent contractor as opposed to a "full member" of the band.
Really? After all this time you'd think they'd have given him a cut. I wonder if that applied to the previous drummers, as well.
By way of background regarding the highlighted comment: In late 2011, Rob Halford was sued by a guy who was his former manager in connection with non-Judas Priest related activities. In addition to suing Halford and three of his companies, the plaintiffs also sued several JP-related individuals and entities, including Ian Hill, Glenn Tipton, Jayne Andrews and Judas Priest Music Limited. I/my former firm represented all of the defendants in that case, and one of things we did was file motions to get most of the JP-related individuals and entities dismissed for lack of personal jurisdiction. In declarations filed with the court in the spring and summer of 2012, Scott Travis (who was not named as a defendant) was described as an "independent contractor" who had no ownership in either Judas Priest Music Limited or JP Touring, LLP. It's certainly possible that things have changed in the past 7 1/2 years, and I wouldn't know if they had.
How metal!
(I say that to be funny and playful; I've got no beef whatsoever with these guys protecting their interest and being business smart. Just the opposite, it's nice to see.)
One of the things that I found fascinating from that time in my life was how these musicians had structured their business affairs. One of the companies was called Betaglow Limited, and I don't remember the specific purpose of each of the three entity defendants in the case I handled, but I did see that the defendants in the James Vance/Raymond Belknap lawsuit were, in addition to the members of Priest, entities called Betaglen Limited, Betaglow Limited, Betagrange Limited, and Betagreen Limited, so I assume those are the entities to which Tipton, Halford, Hill and Downing had assigned their publishing rights for royalty administration purposes.
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I am bumping. Bumping for vengeance :metal
Apparently Rob Halford has an autobiography out on September 29, called 'Confess'. You can pre-order it on Amazon.
https://smarturl.it/RobHalfordConfess (https://smarturl.it/RobHalfordConfess)
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The excerpt that has been used on social media - at least some italian webzines I've seen - is that he tried to hit on Paul Di'Anno once.
All of a sudden "Won't you come into my room, I wanna show you all my wares" takes a different meaning ;D
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Oh God, imagine the stories that guy has. He must have gone through hell. I should give it a read, but then again, I haven't even kept up with Bruce's autobiography neither. :facepalm: :lol
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Bruce's autobiography was very hit and miss for me. There's only so much you can read about the technical specifics on aviation and plane engines before I start skipping some pages.
I think this one can be a bit more interesting. I don't know much about his years away from Priest and such.
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It would be interesting to hear his side of the story on how and why he left the band in the early 90s. I think I heard one story where they played a show in Toronto and he hit his head coming out on a motorcycle during Hell Bent for Leather. After the show he just parted ways with everyone and sent them a fax months later quitting. Not sure how much of that is true but would be cool to find out.
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That incident did happen, but it's not that he quit because of that.... if I remember correctly from interviews, laying there semi conscious gave him a moment of reflection and lucidity where he realized he wasn't into it anymore, or something like that.
He did announce his departure via fax however, it's just that it happened some time after the end of the tour.
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Bruce's autobiography was very hit and miss for me. There's only so much you can read about the technical specifics on aviation and plane engines before I start skipping some pages.
I couldn’t finish it. It’s not the planes. Bruce just comes off as so proud of himself, it was quite a bit much.
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That would be a great read.
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I'll read it; it will be interesting. I just hope it's not all "mettle" this and "mettle" that. I hope he can let the persona down for a minute and share. THAT would be interesting.
I thought Bruce's was okay... I know he consciously said he wasn't going to do that, but I would have LIKED some insight into the relationships. There was very little in that book on the various RELATIONSHIPS in his life, and for a guy we can clearly see is a force of nature, that's the fascinating part for me.
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Sarajevo and the cancer were by far the best chapters of the book. Also the childhood years were pretty interesting.
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Bruce's autobiography was very hit and miss for me. There's only so much you can read about the technical specifics on aviation and plane engines before I start skipping some pages.
Okay apparently I need to read this. :lol
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It's always fascinating to read books like these. The rock world - particularly the metal world - is so predicated on attitude and cool and swagger, and to see movies like "The Dirt", they popped out of the womb with a bottle of Jack, a boner, and some boss riffs. But when you get past the personas, very few of the really big name guys really "lucked " into anything. I remember reading about Bruce ("Bruce Bruce") back in the day, and to hear him tell it, he was nothing but a hellion pissing in the headmaster's soup and being expelled from school. But he didn't drop onto a stage in full air-raid siren mode; he has training as a singer, and worked hard at his craft before ever hitting the big time with Maiden. Very uncool from a "Kerrang!" standpoint, but it's interesting to read now that I'm not a teenager, and now that I've worked at a craft of my own for decades.
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The excerpt that has been used on social media - at least some italian webzines I've seen - is that he tried to hit on Paul Di'Anno once.
All of a sudden "Won't you come into my room, I wanna show you all my wares" takes a different meaning ;D
And apparently it was "hit on" in a "grudge fuck" sort of way. There was some animosity there that took quite a while to shake loose, and I gathered that was part of his motivation.
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I'll read it; it will be interesting. I just hope it's not all "mettle" this and "mettle" that. I hope he can let the persona down for a minute and share. THAT would be interesting.
I think I've mentioned on here that I once represented Rob and, as a result, I got to spend a bit of time with him. As a "regular person," he is NOTHING like the METAL GOD persona he adopts on stage. He's also pretty thoughtful and very intelligent. I still have the email he sent at the end of the case, and it always makes me smile. I'm not big into bios and don't do a ton of reading, but I may check this one out.
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Rob Halford oozes so much charisma that he can just stand there and look badass. Not everyone can get away with standing perfectly still (see Electric Eye whenever he used to be perched above the drums) or walking around like a robot (Metal Gods) and making it look completely cool instead of ridiculous.
Until he speaks and that Birmingham accent comes out. Metal may been invented there but the accent isn’t very metal. His stage voice on the other hand, is 🤘🤘🤘
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The excerpt that has been used on social media - at least some italian webzines I've seen - is that he tried to hit on Paul Di'Anno once.
All of a sudden "Won't you come into my room, I wanna show you all my wares" takes a different meaning ;D
And apparently it was "hit on" in a "grudge fuck" sort of way. There was some animosity there that took quite a while to shake loose, and I gathered that was part of his motivation.
I just saw this article on Ultimate-Guitar:
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/wtf/judas_priests_rob_halford_that_night_i_tried_to_drunkenly_seduce_iron_maidens_paul_dianno.html
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I'll read it; it will be interesting. I just hope it's not all "mettle" this and "mettle" that. I hope he can let the persona down for a minute and share. THAT would be interesting.
I think I've mentioned on here that I once represented Rob and, as a result, I got to spend a bit of time with him. As a "regular person," he is NOTHING like the METAL GOD persona he adopts on stage. He's also pretty thoughtful and very intelligent.
This doesn't really surprise me... It was always a gut feeling I had, I can't really explain it - surely some interviews here and there, him talking in serious situations like Lemmy's funeral - but it's surely not a surprise to have confirmation that he's a smart and intelligent guy. I mean, I would be way more surprised about reading "I talked with Halford at lenght personally, boy he's a douche" than this. I bet that deep inside he's a softie and maybe even shy, someone like Freddy Mercury, a sensitive and shy guy that completely became another person as soon as he walked out on stage.
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I bet that deep inside he's a softie and maybe even shy, . . ., a sensitive and shy guy that completely became another person as soon as he walked out on stage.
That's exactly consistent with what I observed.
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Im sure it will be a great read
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Bruce's autobiography was very hit and miss for me. There's only so much you can read about the technical specifics on aviation and plane engines before I start skipping some pages.
I couldn’t finish it. It’s not the planes. Bruce just comes off as so proud of himself, it was quite a bit much.
I had the same reaction to it. I'd heard things about his alleged massive ego, but the book really put it into perspective. Dude has a very, very high opinion of himself. I usually keep books even books I don't necessarily like that much, because I like to collect stuff, but I actually used this book to start fires in our wood stove one winter. It was great for lighting fires. ;D
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I'll read it; it will be interesting. I just hope it's not all "mettle" this and "mettle" that. I hope he can let the persona down for a minute and share. THAT would be interesting.
I think I've mentioned on here that I once represented Rob and, as a result, I got to spend a bit of time with him. As a "regular person," he is NOTHING like the METAL GOD persona he adopts on stage. He's also pretty thoughtful and very intelligent. I still have the email he sent at the end of the case, and it always makes me smile. I'm not big into bios and don't do a ton of reading, but I may check this one out.
Woah! You mean you were his lawyer or something?
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I'll read it; it will be interesting. I just hope it's not all "mettle" this and "mettle" that. I hope he can let the persona down for a minute and share. THAT would be interesting.
I think I've mentioned on here that I once represented Rob and, as a result, I got to spend a bit of time with him. As a "regular person," he is NOTHING like the METAL GOD persona he adopts on stage. He's also pretty thoughtful and very intelligent. I still have the email he sent at the end of the case, and it always makes me smile. I'm not big into bios and don't do a ton of reading, but I may check this one out.
Woah! You mean you were his lawyer. . . ?
Exactly.
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Bruce's autobiography was very hit and miss for me. There's only so much you can read about the technical specifics on aviation and plane engines before I start skipping some pages.
I couldn’t finish it. It’s not the planes. Bruce just comes off as so proud of himself, it was quite a bit much.
I had the same reaction to it. I'd heard things about his alleged massive ego, but the book really put it into perspective. Dude has a very, very high opinion of himself. I usually keep books even books I don't necessarily like that much, because I like to collect stuff, but I actually used this book to start fires in our wood stove one winter. It was great for lighting fires. ;D
I heard there's a second edition coming out with a missing final chapter where he takes credit for lighting fires.
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I'll read it; it will be interesting. I just hope it's not all "mettle" this and "mettle" that. I hope he can let the persona down for a minute and share. THAT would be interesting.
I think I've mentioned on here that I once represented Rob and, as a result, I got to spend a bit of time with him. As a "regular person," he is NOTHING like the METAL GOD persona he adopts on stage. He's also pretty thoughtful and very intelligent. I still have the email he sent at the end of the case, and it always makes me smile. I'm not big into bios and don't do a ton of reading, but I may check this one out.
Woah! You mean you were his lawyer. . . ?
Exactly.
:hefdaddy
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I'll read it; it will be interesting. I just hope it's not all "mettle" this and "mettle" that. I hope he can let the persona down for a minute and share. THAT would be interesting.
I think I've mentioned on here that I once represented Rob and, as a result, I got to spend a bit of time with him. As a "regular person," he is NOTHING like the METAL GOD persona he adopts on stage. He's also pretty thoughtful and very intelligent. I still have the email he sent at the end of the case, and it always makes me smile. I'm not big into bios and don't do a ton of reading, but I may check this one out.
Woah! You mean you were his lawyer. . . ?
Exactly.
:hefdaddy
Found it!
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Wow, that's awesome!
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Wow, that's awesome!
Absolutely. That's celebrity status here mate. :metal
What you said makes sense though. He does come across as a really nice, gentle guy in interviews.
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awesome PG Ive met Rob a few times along my path .. hes a great person
Ive started to see parts of the book discussed in the NY Post yesterday... very candid for sure
ah ,,, found it NSFW ADULT CONTENT
https://nypost.com/2020/09/28/judas-priests-rob-halford-on-public-sex-arrest-ive-f-ked-up/
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Did anybody else catch this blurb yesterday? Sebastian Bach gets offended by a gay joke about Rob Halford that an interviewer/comedian made and shuts down the interview. The interviewer retells the story to Rob Halford and his response to the situation was absolutely perfect and hilarious.
Kudos to Sebastian for taking that kind of a stand when he disliked the question, and even more kudos to Rob to laughing about it all and dropping the mic with that line.
http://bravewords.com/news/rob-halford-reacts-to-comedian-s-joke-that-offended-sebastian-bach-i-don-t-gargle-i-swallow-video
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awesome PG Ive met Rob a few times along my path .. hes a great person
Ive started to see parts of the book discussed in the NY Post yesterday... very candid for sure
ah ,,, found it NSFW ADULT CONTENT
https://nypost.com/2020/09/28/judas-priests-rob-halford-on-public-sex-arrest-ive-f-ked-up/
That's a good way to describe a large portion of the book. I loved it and recommend to any fans of the band but man he does not hold back on the details.
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Got the book yesterday and already 100 pages in, it's a pretty good read so far.
Some things might be considered a little too in depth, but it's a warts and all story of the great man.
Also picked up Ram It Down, haven't heard this in many years, it's one of those albums that I remembered to be a lot better.
Firepower has stepped up another level, been playing it quite a lot recently.
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Not sure if this was common knowledge or what. It was new to me to read this.
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/don-airey-judas-priest-painkiller/
After 30 years, Don Airey has confirmed that he, and not Ian Hill, contributed the majority of the bass lines on Judas Priest's 1990 album Painkiller via Moog bass synthesizer.
The veteran keyboardist, who's been in Deep Purple since 2002, admitted his role in an interview with Antihero. "[Judas Priest drummer] Scott Travis has spilled the beans about it that all the bass parts are me playing on the mini," he said. "It’s Moog bass on the whole album, that was Ian Hill’s bass mixed in as well on parts. But at the time Ian wasn’t very well. So, he wasn’t at the sessions. So, I got made to do all the bass and they kept it."
"I mean, it was a funny old job," Airey continued. "I only got to play proper keyboards on one track, I can’t remember what the track is. I just read about it yesterday that they’d actually said, I’ve never said a word about it before. I mean, it was an exciting album to do. They’re wonderful people to be around."
Painkiller followed a period where Judas Priest looked to modernize their sound with guitar synthesizers on Turbo and Ram It Down. Both records were polarizing, and the thrash-influenced Painkiller was welcomed as a return to form.
Airey was credited for playing keyboards on the song "A Touch of Evil," but not acknowledged in the liner notes for his bass contributions. "They were so worried about it, they didn’t even give me a credit I don’t think, on the album. They paid me, which is always the point. ... It’s a wonderful album, Painkiller."
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Huh, I did not know that.
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Me neither. I wonder what was up with Ian at the time.
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Nothing in Halford's book about this.
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Nothing in Halford's book about this.
It does sound a bit strange, doesn't it?
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Either it's been so long that he simply forgot (and anyway he's the singer, he does his parts last, he didn't need to be there for every single bass session... not that he was unaware of it, but maybe he wasn't there every day and night like the producer instead), or he didn't want to tell it unless someone would come out about it.
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Nothing in Halford's book about this.
Well he doesn't really go into the personal lives of others that much in the book. Depending on why Ian couldn't participate he may have cut it out of respect.
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Maybe not, but he does mention the drum machine used for the Ram It Down album.
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Just finished Rob's book, and it was definitely the most fun and entertaining heavy metal/music biography that I've read. I loved that he didn't hold back at all, which made it feel so authentic. The story of him in a restroom and the other guy wearing head to toe Priest merch was hilarious. :lol
A great side note is that it inspired me to listen to a TON of Priest, Halford and Fight music, which I really hadn't played for a while. So I'm falling in love with all of those songs and albums again.
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Just finished Rob's book, and it was definitely the most fun and entertaining heavy metal/music biography that I've read. I loved that he didn't hold back at all, which made it feel so authentic. The story of him in a restroom and the other guy wearing head to toe Priest merch was hilarious. :lol
A great side note is that it inspired me to listen to a TON of Priest, Halford and Fight music, which I really hadn't played for a while. So I'm falling in love with all of those songs and albums again.
Agreed 100% I was literally hanging off every word in the book.
Yes made me appreciate Rob, JP and the music a whole lot, more and it's costing me a bit too.
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JUDAS FOREVER
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I’ve recently had an epiphany that took me 37 years to arrive at. After decades of having either Maiden or Metallica ranked as the greatest metal band, I’ve concluded that after listening to their discography pretty much daily for the past 6 months - Judas Priest is the greatest metal band of all time, ahead of Metallica, Maiden, and Sabbath.
That trio of Halford, Tipton, and Downing is easily the greatest trio in metal history. Maiden checks all the boxes except the heaviness; their riffs are seldom very crunchy. Metallica doesn’t have the quantity or vocals to compete, though their peak is equal to Priest’s. Sabbath is a different animal, a lot of quantity but as with Hetfield, Ozzy’s vocals can’t compete. First 6 Sabbath albums plus the Dio ones make it a competition but I much prefer the more modern sound that Priest perfected in the late 70s and onward.
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Whoa :metal
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Compelling argument indeed.
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I’ve recently had an epiphany that took me 37 years to arrive at. After decades of having either Maiden or Metallica ranked as the greatest metal band, I’ve concluded that after listening to their discography pretty much daily for the past 6 months - Judas Priest is the greatest metal band of all time, ahead of Metallica, Maiden, and Sabbath.
That trio of Halford, Tipton, and Downing is easily the greatest trio in metal history. Maiden checks all the boxes except the heaviness; their riffs are seldom very crunchy. Metallica doesn’t have the quantity or vocals to compete, though their peak is equal to Priest’s. Sabbath is a different animal, a lot of quantity but as with Hetfield, Ozzy’s vocals can’t compete. First 6 Sabbath albums plus the Dio ones make it a competition but I much prefer the more modern sound that Priest perfected in the late 70s and onward.
I think you could argue that Maiden is the more consistent band of the lot, but yeah, if we're talking specifically in the context of which band is the best metal band of all time, you probably nailed it on the head with that argument for Judas Priest.
Hell, it's not the least bit a stretch to argue that albums like Sad Wings of Destiny, Stained Class, Defenders of the Faith and Painkiller are 'perfect' embodiments of what is "heavy metal." There's a reason for why people keep listing the title track of Painkiller as the definitive metal song of all time. :metal
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I'm just not on board with that. It IS a compellign argument, but I'm not there. I know Eddie Trunk likes to give the "who came first?" aspect, but that's Sabbath (and Priest and Sabbath are from the same roots).
For me:
1. Maiden
2. Sabbath
3. Priest
4. Metallica
Maiden's consistency and evolution are head and shoulders above the rest. They've all undergone personnel changes and stylisitic changes, but I think Maiden have proven to be the cream of the crop. Maiden sells out multiple arena nights in the US, and full futbol stadia internationally. Priest's last tour (maybe the one before) played the same venue as the kings of prog metal, Sons Of Apollo. ;) I think the Priest catalogue is slightly more... calculated than Maiden. Maiden seems to follow their (well, Harris's) muse more than any of the other bands. Look at The Final Frontier; 10 songs, only one under 5:00 and a full SIX over 7:30. Sabbath has too many ups-and-downs after the first Dio era, so there's a gap there. Metallica is the only one that really competes live with Maiden, and they are - to my mind - a shade too one-dimensional to claim "greatest metal band".
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Stadler spoke for me.
I love Judas Priest, I love them really a lot so I'm not just a casual listener but a very big fan, but - tastes and historical merits aside - Iron Maiden is as a whole way better than them, especially for the consistency. Even in the "year of the synths", 1986, Iron Maiden did Somewhere in Time and Priest made Turbo. And Maiden follow it up with Seventh Son, while Priest with Ram it Down.
It's only in 1990 that Priest blew Maiden and 95% of the rest away with Painkiller, but in the '80s Priest had been more inconsistent while Maiden's run from 1980-1988 is basically textbook "how to be the perfect heavy metal band".
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Stadler spoke for me.
I love Judas Priest, I love them really a lot so I'm not just a casual listener but a very big fan, but - tastes and historical merits aside - Iron Maiden is as a whole way better than them, especially for the consistency. Even in the "year of the synths", 1986, Iron Maiden did Somewhere in Time and Priest made Turbo. And Maiden follow it up with Seventh Son, while Priest with Ram it Down.
It's only in 1990 that Priest blew Maiden and 95% of the rest away with Painkiller, but in the '80s Priest had been more inconsistent while Maiden's run from 1980-1988 is basically textbook "how to be the perfect heavy metal band".
Not responding to you directly, but just as a reminder, I'm not on the Painkiller train. If I had to choose I'd take No Prayer, even though that's a deeply flawed album and not a high point in the Maiden catalogue. Honestly, Tattooed Millionaire is probably better than both of them. It might be just me, but 1990 was a low point in metal. Other than Ritual de lo Habitual by Jane's Addiction (which isn't really metal) and Queensryche's Empire (which isn't really metal) that's not the year I'd point to for metal greatness.
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I’m a huge Maiden fan, and there’s no doubt they’re more popular. Priest never fully recovered from Halford leaving the way Maiden did with Bruce. But I feel Priest over the years has been much more diverse - they go both heavier AND lighter than Maiden. Their diversity was more apparent in the 70s but they recently tried stuff like Nostradamus. No they don’t stuff their albums with 8 minute songs padded out with noodling, but that’s ok with me.
Bruce’s voice has held up better but he’s also younger. His longevity compensates for Halford’s insane 70s peak. Priest usually has better production on their albums. It’s an extremely close call, like I said I’ve had Maiden #1 for years.
Vocals: Priest/Maiden-Sabbath-Metallica
Riffs: Metallica-Priest-Sabbath-Maiden
Leads: Priest-Maiden-Sabbath-Metallica
Drums: Priest-Maiden-Metallica-Sabbath
Live: Maiden-Metallica-Priest-Sabbath
Bass: Maiden-Sabbath-Priest-Metallica
Quantity: Sabbath-Priest-Maiden-Metallica
Songwriting: Priest-Maiden-Metallica-Sabbath
Popularity: Metallica-Maiden-Sabbath-Priest
As far as the bands compare AT THEIR PEAK, that’s too close to call. I’ll slightly take SWoD-SaS-SC over RtL-MoP-AJfA or any 3-album runs by Maiden or Sabbath.
Just my opinion, I can see arguments against.
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I’ve recently had an epiphany that took me 37 years to arrive at. After decades of having either Maiden or Metallica ranked as the greatest metal band, I’ve concluded that after listening to their discography pretty much daily for the past 6 months - Judas Priest is the greatest metal band of all time, ahead of Metallica, Maiden, and Sabbath.
That trio of Halford, Tipton, and Downing is easily the greatest trio in metal history. Maiden checks all the boxes except the heaviness; their riffs are seldom very crunchy. Metallica doesn’t have the quantity or vocals to compete, though their peak is equal to Priest’s. Sabbath is a different animal, a lot of quantity but as with Hetfield, Ozzy’s vocals can’t compete. First 6 Sabbath albums plus the Dio ones make it a competition but I much prefer the more modern sound that Priest perfected in the late 70s and onward.
I put Maiden at the top because the point that "Maiden's riffs are seldom very crunchy" is far less important to me than it seems to be to you. Also, while Halford/Tipton/Dowing = Dickinson/Murray/Smith (and MIGHT BE slightly >), when you throw bassists into the mix, it's no contest: Dickinson/Harris/Murray/Smith >>> Halford/Hill/Tipton/Downing.
For me, it's a razor thin margin between Maiden and Priest, followed by Metallica. Sabbath is classic, but they don't come close to the other three.
Vocals: Priest/Maiden-Sabbath-Metallica
Riffs: Metallica-Priest-Sabbath-Maiden
Leads: Priest-Maiden-Sabbath-Metallica
Drums: Priest-Maiden-Metallica-Sabbath
Live: Maiden-Metallica-Priest-Sabbath
Bass: Maiden-Sabbath-Priest-Metallica
Quantity: Sabbath-Priest-Maiden-Metallica
Songwriting: Priest-Maiden-Metallica-Sabbath
Popularity: Metallica-Maiden-Sabbath-Priest
These are rankings, right? Are you seriously placing Ian Hill above any of Metallica's bassists (or the three of them combined)? I don't have much of an opinion about Trujillo, but as much as I love Ian (just for being Ian), he can't touch Newsted, much less Burton.
Stadler spoke for me.
I love Judas Priest, I love them really a lot so I'm not just a casual listener but a very big fan, but - tastes and historical merits aside - Iron Maiden is as a whole way better than them, especially for the consistency. Even in the "year of the synths", 1986, Iron Maiden did Somewhere in Time and Priest made Turbo. And Maiden follow it up with Seventh Son, while Priest with Ram it Down.
It's only in 1990 that Priest blew Maiden and 95% of the rest away with Painkiller, but in the '80s Priest had been more inconsistent while Maiden's run from 1980-1988 is basically textbook "how to be the perfect heavy metal band".
Not responding to you directly, but just as a reminder, I'm not on the Painkiller train. If I had to choose I'd take No Prayer, even though that's a deeply flawed album and not a high point in the Maiden catalogue. Honestly, Tattooed Millionaire is probably better than both of them. It might be just me, but 1990 was a low point in metal. Other than Ritual de lo Habitual by Jane's Addiction (which isn't really metal) and Queensryche's Empire (which isn't really metal) that's not the year I'd point to for metal greatness.
I just looked at the 1990 list and, for me, there's nothing that comes even close to Painkiller. It was, indeed, a very bleak year. Anthrax's Persistence of Time was disappointing, Dio's Lock up the Wolves and No Prayer for the Dying were bad. I imagine some folks would point to Pantera's Cowboys from Hell, but I've never liked anything I've heard from that band. Half of Empire was really good, and half was blah (and, like you said, they were veering away from "metal"). On the other hand, Warrant put out Cherry Pie and, while I'm being facetious, I Saw Red is an EXCELLENT song.
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Dream Team, I stole your idea:
Vocals: Priest/Maiden-Sabbath-Metallica
Riffs: Sabbath-Metallica-Priest-Maiden (I put Sabbath first; the first 8 albums were a riff-o-rama!)
Leads: Maiden-Priest/Sabbath-Metallica (Dave Murray is my fav guitar player of this group and I honestly think there are too many "widdly-widdly" leads in the Priest catalogue)
Drums: Maiden-Sabbath-Priest-Metallica (C'MON. Nicko. Best drummer in the group; I'm giving Ward number two simply because he was a beast up until 1976, and Sabbath had Cozy Powell for a good stretch)
Live: Maiden-Metallica-Priest-Sabbath
Bass: Maiden/Sabbath-Priest-Metallica (I'm all in on Harris, but I gave a tie with Butler, because I saw Sabbath exactly a year apart, once with Butler and once without, and it was like night and friggin' day).
Quantity: Sabbath-Priest-Maiden-Metallica
Songwriting: Maiden-Priest-Metallica-Sabbath (I have to give Maiden the songwriting edge; they are more diverse with the multiple writing configurations. Alone, though Harris is a better songwriter than anyone else in the group).
Popularity: Metallica-Maiden-Sabbath-Priest
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Dream Team, I stole your idea:
Vocals: Priest/Maiden-Sabbath-Metallica
Riffs: Sabbath-Metallica-Priest-Maiden (I put Sabbath first; the first 8 albums were a riff-o-rama!)
Leads: Maiden-Priest/Sabbath-Metallica (Dave Murray is my fav guitar player of this group and I honestly think there are too many "widdly-widdly" leads in the Priest catalogue)
Drums: Maiden-Sabbath-Priest-Metallica (C'MON. Nicko. Best drummer in the group; I'm giving Ward number two simply because he was a beast up until 1976, and Sabbath had Cozy Powell for a good stretch)
Live: Maiden-Metallica-Priest-Sabbath
Bass: Maiden/Sabbath-Priest-Metallica (I'm all in on Harris, but I gave a tie with Butler, because I saw Sabbath exactly a year apart, once with Butler and once without, and it was like night and friggin' day).
Quantity: Sabbath-Priest-Maiden-Metallica
Songwriting: Maiden-Priest-Metallica-Sabbath (I have to give Maiden the songwriting edge; they are more diverse with the multiple writing configurations. Alone, though Harris is a better songwriter than anyone else in the group).
Popularity: Metallica-Maiden-Sabbath-Priest
And now you're doing it?! Ian Hill is by far the worst bass player any of these bands has/had (although I can't really comment intelligently on guys like Jo Burt and Laurence Cottie).
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Well, I've been a fan of Judas Priest since the first album. I saw them live with Iron Maiden when Paul Di'Anno was still Iron Maiden's front man. I think Judas Priest were either touring the Hell Bent for Leather album or Stained Class...about a year after that show Iron Maiden parted ways with Di'Anno over his constant cocaine habit and I saw Priest and Maiden again at the Orpheum Theater in Boston. Iron Maiden opened that show and Bruce Dickinson was really incredible but I have to admit I've always thought Halford was a better, more talented pure vocalist. In his prime he could reach 4 fucking octaves. That's freakishly talented.
What really kind of cracks me up about Judas Priest is all that leather stuff and those poses by Halfold and no one ever questioned his sexuality when I was a kid. We've come a long way as a society because for a few years he was kind of a pariah when it first came out that he was gay and I was always really bothered by the fact that he was taking all this shit just being who he was.
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It is quite astounding no one questioned or even thought about Rob and his sexuality back in the day.
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Honestly people just weren't paying much attention. The man was actually horrible at hiding the secret. He thought he blew his cover several times but nobody ever picked up on it........or willfully ignored it
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Honestly people just weren't paying much attention. The man was actually horrible at hiding the secret. He thought he blew his cover several times but nobody ever picked up on it........or willfully ignored it
Pretty much. I was also too young and/or naive and/or sheltered in the 80s to know the association between that look and the "gay scene." To me, that look was associated with Judas Priest and bikers.
for a few years he was kind of a pariah when it first came out that he was gay and I was always really bothered by the fact that he was taking all this shit just being who he was.
I don't remember that at all. My reaction and that of pretty much everyone I knew was sort of a shrug and a "whatever." I don't know if it would have been different had he still be in Priest when he came out publicly, but I doubt it.
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I just looked at the 1990 list and, for me, there's nothing that comes even close to Painkiller. It was, indeed, a very bleak year. Anthrax's Persistence of Time was disappointing, Dio's Lock up the Wolves and No Prayer for the Dying were bad.
Persistence Of Time is amazing, man. That's a great album. Especially after the very weal State Of Euphoria.
And Lock Up The Wolves is excellent too. I remember being really thrown off by it, but it has aged really well. It sounds great, and Rowan Robertson was the last guitarist Dio had that had any personality in his playing. I mean Tracy G had it, but it blew.
Slayer's Seasons In the Abyss was a great 1990 album.
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My memory was that a lot of fans just said "oh, Rob's gay, that's cool....when is he going to rejoin Priest?" That's how I felt at least, though I also wanted the Halford band to continue, since those albums just smoke. I do think it was fun to go back and look through the lyrics and laugh at some of the things that Rob was able to sneak in there. :lol
I'm listening to Firepower right now and it's such a great record. I also had a thought about Painkiller and realized that it was the band's 12th or 13th record, and for them to be that ferocious, that deep in their career is amazing.
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Firepower such a strong record for sure and yes I think we all just wanted Rob back in Priest.
Finally after 39 years I bough 'Point Of Entry' and I think it's a pretty decent album.
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for a few years he was kind of a pariah when it first came out that he was gay and I was always really bothered by the fact that he was taking all this shit just being who he was.
I don't remember that at all. My reaction and that of pretty much everyone I knew was sort of a shrug and a "whatever." I don't know if it would have been different had he still be in Priest when he came out publicly, but I doubt it.
Same here. I mean, I became a fan when the deed was said and done and Halford was long gone from the band, but for all the crapfest that is the internet, I have never met a fellow metalhead in person or read anything on the web of the likes of "Yeah, Priest is good, too bad that the singer is gay" or something.
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for a few years he was kind of a pariah when it first came out that he was gay and I was always really bothered by the fact that he was taking all this shit just being who he was.
I don't remember that at all. My reaction and that of pretty much everyone I knew was sort of a shrug and a "whatever." I don't know if it would have been different had he still be in Priest when he came out publicly, but I doubt it.
Same here. I mean, I became a fan when the deed was said and done and Halford was long gone from the band, but for all the crapfest that is the internet, I have never met a fellow metalhead in person or read anything on the web of the likes of "Yeah, Priest is good, too bad that the singer is gay" or something.
Same.
Does this show that metal heads are actually some of the most sensible, open minded and intelligent type of people you'll meet? I'm thinking so.
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Dream Team, I stole your idea:
Vocals: Priest/Maiden-Sabbath-Metallica
Riffs: Sabbath-Metallica-Priest-Maiden (I put Sabbath first; the first 8 albums were a riff-o-rama!)
Leads: Maiden-Priest/Sabbath-Metallica (Dave Murray is my fav guitar player of this group and I honestly think there are too many "widdly-widdly" leads in the Priest catalogue)
Drums: Maiden-Sabbath-Priest-Metallica (C'MON. Nicko. Best drummer in the group; I'm giving Ward number two simply because he was a beast up until 1976, and Sabbath had Cozy Powell for a good stretch)
Live: Maiden-Metallica-Priest-Sabbath
Bass: Maiden/Sabbath-Priest-Metallica (I'm all in on Harris, but I gave a tie with Butler, because I saw Sabbath exactly a year apart, once with Butler and once without, and it was like night and friggin' day).
Quantity: Sabbath-Priest-Maiden-Metallica
Songwriting: Maiden-Priest-Metallica-Sabbath (I have to give Maiden the songwriting edge; they are more diverse with the multiple writing configurations. Alone, though Harris is a better songwriter than anyone else in the group).
Popularity: Metallica-Maiden-Sabbath-Priest
And now you're doing it?! Ian Hill is by far the worst bass player any of these bands has/had (although I can't really comment intelligently on guys like Jo Burt and Laurence Cottie).
Nah, no argument. I'd change that without a peep. I know I'm not all-in on the Cliff hero-worship - he was very good not great, IMO - but that ranking is more a reflection that both Priest and Metallica do not have beasts (no pun intended) like Harris and Butler.
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I just looked at the 1990 list and, for me, there's nothing that comes even close to Painkiller. It was, indeed, a very bleak year. Anthrax's Persistence of Time was disappointing, Dio's Lock up the Wolves and No Prayer for the Dying were bad.
Persistence Of Time is amazing, man. That's a great album. Especially after the very weal State Of Euphoria.
And Lock Up The Wolves is excellent too. I remember being really thrown off by it, but it has aged really well. It sounds great, and Rowan Robertson was the last guitarist Dio had that had any personality in his playing. I mean Tracy G had it, but it blew.
Slayer's Seasons In the Abyss was a great 1990 album.
I'll give you Persistence of Time, although I was growing uninterested when they really started incorporating elements of rap into their music. And I've never been into Slayer. After my friends and I got our licenses, we would regularly stop at a record store after school and just browse. We would sometimes agree to buy something unknown just based on the cover (or whatever). I had seen Show No Mercy a few times and thought the cover was funny, so my best friend bought it, which meant we had to listen to it on the drive to and from school.
But Lock up the Wolves is a huge "no." My Eyes is about the only song I can get through. Everything else is plodding sludge. I remember even the concert on that tour was a big stinker. The crowd wasn't into it, and it seemed like RJD was just going through the motions.
Nah, no argument. I'd change that without a peep. I know I'm not all-in on the Cliff hero-worship - he was very good not great, IMO - but that ranking is more a reflection that both Priest and Metallica do not have beasts (no pun intended) like Harris and Butler.
Cliff was great, but, like Randy Rhoads, his body of work was too small to justify the lofty praise he has received and continues to receive. And Jason is better than Lars allowed him to be
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Well, I've been a fan of Judas Priest since the first album. I saw them live with Iron Maiden when Paul Di'Anno was still Iron Maiden's front man. I think Judas Priest were either touring the Hell Bent for Leather album or Stained Class...about a year after that show Iron Maiden parted ways with Di'Anno over his constant cocaine habit and I saw Priest and Maiden again at the Orpheum Theater in Boston. Iron Maiden opened that show and Bruce Dickinson was really incredible but I have to admit I've always thought Halford was a better, more talented pure vocalist. In his prime he could reach 4 fucking octaves. That's freakishly talented.
What really kind of cracks me up about Judas Priest is all that leather stuff and those poses by Halfold and no one ever questioned his sexuality when I was a kid. We've come a long way as a society because for a few years he was kind of a pariah when it first came out that he was gay and I was always really bothered by the fact that he was taking all this shit just being who he was.
yup I saw Maiden w Paul open for JP on the Hell Bent tour...and many many times years after great times
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https://www.kkspriest.com/
From what's announced before, unfortunately Les Binks isn't in the band anymore.
Cool single! :metal
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That song smokes. The guitars have a very Megadeth-esque tone. :metal
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According to iTunes, the release date is 20 august. The album has around 50 minutes and two songs on 8 and 9 minutes mark. The first song is just an intro, around 1 minute.
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Meh, that song did nothing for me. I'll still check this out when it drops but if it's an album full of cliched stuff like that I'm not really interested. If I want to hear that kind of music I'll put on Firepower.
Not crazy about Ripper's vocals either. Too screechy
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Meh, that song did nothing for me. I'll still check this out when it drops but if it's an album full of cliched stuff like that I'm not really interested. If I want to hear that kind of music I'll put on Firepower.
Not crazy about Ripper's vocals either. Too screechy
agreed did nothing for me meh..
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As cheesy as the song is, I actually liked it. Ripper sounds great. He always sounds better in other bands where he has no involvement in the writing process. His solo stuff and Beyond Fear are pure cringe. Charred Walls of the Damned was pretty lame too.
Scream Machine from Beyond Fear was the only decent song on that album.
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I stopped the song after a little over a minute. Painfully generic and boring riffs. The riffs on Firepower were pretty generic but much more memorable than that.
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I stopped the song after a little over a minute. Painfully generic and boring riffs. The riffs on Firepower were pretty generic but much more memorable than that.
Firepower can melt magma..... it was awesome love that album shockingly great to me
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Well, I've been a fan of Judas Priest since the first album. I saw them live with Iron Maiden when Paul Di'Anno was still Iron Maiden's front man. I think Judas Priest were either touring the Hell Bent for Leather album or Stained Class...about a year after that show Iron Maiden parted ways with Di'Anno over his constant cocaine habit and I saw Priest and Maiden again at the Orpheum Theater in Boston. Iron Maiden opened that show and Bruce Dickinson was really incredible but I have to admit I've always thought Halford was a better, more talented pure vocalist. In his prime he could reach 4 fucking octaves. That's freakishly talented.
What really kind of cracks me up about Judas Priest is all that leather stuff and those poses by Halfold and no one ever questioned his sexuality when I was a kid. We've come a long way as a society because for a few years he was kind of a pariah when it first came out that he was gay and I was always really bothered by the fact that he was taking all this shit just being who he was.
Good times I was there also those were amazing shows. I thought Paul was better than Bruce and of course Rob was way above everyone until Geoff and the ep hit. I remember rob brought the bike out and is was so fkn loud I was sure the place was going to cave in...
Sin after Sin was monumental I liked it more than Stained Class but both are unreal...
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I stopped the song after a little over a minute. Painfully generic and boring riffs. The riffs on Firepower were pretty generic but much more memorable than that.
Firepower can melt magma..... it was awesome love that album shockingly great to me
Definitely pretty great for a heavy metal band that’s been active since the early 70s.
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I stopped the song after a little over a minute. Painfully generic and boring riffs. The riffs on Firepower were pretty generic but much more memorable than that.
Firepower can melt magma..... it was awesome love that album shockingly great to me
Definitely pretty great for a heavy metal band that’s been active since the early 70s.
its perfect and not one bad song on it ,,,,IMO
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Seems like Ripper is having trouble holding out the notes. Is he going for vibrato and not hitting it or is he searching for the note and can't find it? Not a bad song....I guess. Not at all excited for this but will still buy it.
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Why did KK leave Judas Priest, just to come back with a poor mans version of Judas Priest?
It starts ok but it just sounds embarrassingly dated with the silly high pitched vocals. No idea why people keep going to Ripper Owens.
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Why did KK leave Judas Priest, just to come back with a poor mans version of Judas Priest?
It starts ok but it just sounds embarrassingly dated with the silly high pitched vocals. No idea why people keep going to Ripper Owens.
This ^^
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People in the comments mentioned Nostradamus and holy shit the riff is pretty much identical to that song.
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Why did KK leave Judas Priest, just to come back with a poor mans version of Judas Priest?
It starts ok but it just sounds embarrassingly dated with the silly high pitched vocals. No idea why people keep going to Ripper Owens.
How are high pitched vocals outdated?
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Why did KK leave Judas Priest, just to come back with a poor mans version of Judas Priest?
Probably not his original intentions. IIRC, he left primarily because they were doing a farewell tour that ended up later becoming not a farewell tour. And he also felt that some of the guys in the band weren't giving 100% effort, unlike him and he was tired of lackluster/phoned in performances. So he went into purchasing and running a golf course, but then that venture failed. And he probably started to get the itch to play again afterward (and maybe he wanted more of a cash flow). So when he got rebuffed by his former bandmates when Glenn stopped touring, he figured he'd put together his own band, and who better than with a pair of former bandmates? I think that's basically how it came about. Perfectly understandable, IMO. The only things I take issue with are the silly band name and this initial track really doesn't offer anything impressive to make me sit up and take notice - very generic. Hopefully the rest of the album will be of far better quality (though the song titles don't suggest that).
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Why did KK leave Judas Priest, just to come back with a poor mans version of Judas Priest?
It starts ok but it just sounds embarrassingly dated with the silly high pitched vocals. No idea why people keep going to Ripper Owens.
How are high pitched vocals outdated?
You don’t think this vocal style sounds dated? I’m not talking about operatic type singers going for a high note, just this type of thing where it’s high pitched shrieking all the way through. It sounds almost comedic to me.
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Like I said earlier, I've never been a big fan of Ripper. Too shreeky for me. And I agree that style does sound kind of retro these days but we're talking about a 69 year old dude's band here so :lol
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Like I said earlier, I've never been a big fan of Ripper. Too shreeky for me. And I agree that style does sound kind of retro these days but we're talking about a 69 year old dude's band here so :lol
HAHA. :)
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Why did KK leave Judas Priest, just to come back with a poor mans version of Judas Priest?
It starts ok but it just sounds embarrassingly dated with the silly high pitched vocals. No idea why people keep going to Ripper Owens.
How are high pitched vocals outdated?
You don’t think this vocal style sounds dated? I’m not talking about operatic type singers going for a high note, just this type of thing where it’s high pitched shrieking all the way through. It sounds almost comedic to me.
What would be better? Growls? That's not dated at all. Shit, if Ripper's vocals are dated, all vocals are dated.
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I am someone who has little to no interest in new stuff by the band. Albums like Angel of Retribution and Firepower both had a handful of songs each that I enjoyed and will occasionally give a listen, but 99% of the time, if I am listening to Priest, it is something from 1974-1990.
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Why did KK leave Judas Priest, just to come back with a poor mans version of Judas Priest?
It starts ok but it just sounds embarrassingly dated with the silly high pitched vocals. No idea why people keep going to Ripper Owens.
How are high pitched vocals outdated?
You don’t think this vocal style sounds dated? I’m not talking about operatic type singers going for a high note, just this type of thing where it’s high pitched shrieking all the way through. It sounds almost comedic to me.
What would be better? Growls? That's not dated at all. Shit, if Ripper's vocals are dated, all vocals are dated.
Not growls, not at all! Just not the squeaky high pitched shrieking. Just my preference obviously, it’s great that you’re into it, I wish I was too.
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I'll pass on this one.
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Unfortunately KK needs money.
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Been a fan since British Steel came out. Stopped buying new CD's after Ram It Down I think. I just never got into that new direction. The guitars sound was so overdriven that they lost real definition and tone. The new direction of songwriting didn't resonate with me.
So Saturday, I finally decide to listen to Firepower after watching a youtube Rig Rundown of their new guitar player. Wow those Engl amps killer tone had me intrigued, so I pulled up Firepower in the car. I was very impressed. The album just felt more traditional metal, wit real defined guitar tones that allowed me to truly hear what they were playing. It felt like they spent more time writing good metal songs instead of trying to be "faster, heavier, etc".
I actually caught myself humming songs from the album today. I have to say, this is the first Priest album since Defenders that I really like.
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Firepower was indeed a pleasant surprise. Especially after the horrible ROS.
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Firepower was indeed a pleasant surprise. Especially after the horrible ROS.
Definitely wasn’t horrible, but Firepower was way better
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ROS was a step up from Nostradamus, but yeah - Firepower could be their best since Painkiller.
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Nostradamus wins over ROS everyday of the week for me. No competition.
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Nostradamus wins over ROS everyday of the week for me. No competition.
Agreed 1000%. Nostradamus may have been far too long and bloated for its own good, but at least there was passion behind it.
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Nostradamus wins over ROS everyday of the week for me. No competition.
I agree, I've liked Nostradamus from the day one. Redeemer felt like an unnecessary album until Firepower came out - then I realized Redeemer needed to happen in order to prepare the band for the awesomeness that is the follow-up.
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With due comparisons, I consider Redeemer and Firepower their Death Magnetic / Hardwired, looking at Metallica.
Redeemer is the "ah guess we have to do a classic metal album" one.
Firepower is stars aligning and the creative spark fueling great songs, with the help of a great production and sound also.
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Nostradamus wins over ROS everyday of the week for me. No competition.
I agree, I've liked Nostradamus from the day one. Redeemer felt like an unnecessary album until Firepower came out - then I realized Redeemer needed to happen in order to prepare the band for the awesomeness that is the follow-up.
With due comparisons, I consider Redeemer and Firepower their Death Magnetic / Hardwired, looking at Metallica.
Redeemer is the "ah guess we have to do a classic metal album" one.
Firepower is stars aligning and the creative spark fueling great songs, with the help of a great production and sound also.
Yeah, I can get on board with all of this actually.
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I liked ROS (Tears of blood totally should've been on the main album) but the production was really lacking. I would be in favor of Sneap remixing the entire album kinda like what he did with enemies of reality from Nevermore.
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Been a fan since British Steel came out. Stopped buying new CD's after Ram It Down I think. I just never got into that new direction. The guitars sound was so overdriven that they lost real definition and tone. The new direction of songwriting didn't resonate with me.
So Saturday, I finally decide to listen to Firepower after watching a youtube Rig Rundown of their new guitar player. Wow those Engl amps killer tone had me intrigued, so I pulled up Firepower in the car. I was very impressed. The album just felt more traditional metal, wit real defined guitar tones that allowed me to truly hear what they were playing. It felt like they spent more time writing good metal songs instead of trying to be "faster, heavier, etc".
I actually caught myself humming songs from the album today. I have to say, this is the first Priest album since Defenders that I really like.
Substitute "Screaming..." in for British Steel and that could be me. I've heard the rest of the reunion stuff, but it hasn't blown me away, and I still haven't heard Firepower. Maybe I ought to give it a go.
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Been a fan since British Steel came out. Stopped buying new CD's after Ram It Down I think. I just never got into that new direction. The guitars sound was so overdriven that they lost real definition and tone. The new direction of songwriting didn't resonate with me.
So Saturday, I finally decide to listen to Firepower after watching a youtube Rig Rundown of their new guitar player. Wow those Engl amps killer tone had me intrigued, so I pulled up Firepower in the car. I was very impressed. The album just felt more traditional metal, wit real defined guitar tones that allowed me to truly hear what they were playing. It felt like they spent more time writing good metal songs instead of trying to be "faster, heavier, etc".
I actually caught myself humming songs from the album today. I have to say, this is the first Priest album since Defenders that I really like.
Substitute "Screaming..." in for British Steel and that could be me. I've heard the rest of the reunion stuff, but it hasn't blown me away, and I still haven't heard Firepower. Maybe I ought to give it a go.
Youve not heard Firepower? Im envious as Ive worn it out ...
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Oh, yeah, you should drop whatever you are doing and go listen to Firepower right now. As far as I'm concerned it's Judas Priest's best record since Stained Class and I've been a fan since Sad Wings of Destiny
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I liked ROS (Tears of blood totally should've been on the main album) but the production was really lacking. I would be in favor of Sneap remixing the entire album kinda like what he did with enemies of reality from Nevermore.
One of the worst sounding albums I think I've ever heard.
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Oh, yeah, you should drop whatever you are doing and go listen to Firepower right now. As far as I'm concerned it's Judas Priest's best record since Stained Class and I've been a fan since Sad Wings of Destiny
The Hair Nose All
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Robs voice is THE VOICE OF METAL ,,, Tate had his amazing run.. but Rob is KING
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Just grabbed out my copy of Firepower for the car today. :tup
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I started listening to Firepower on YouTube. Ehh. The new song with Ripper isn't far off, but I'd rather listen to that.
I used to own every Priest album up to Nostrodamus until I realized I didnt like them enough to warrant having all their albums. I had a pretty cool box set though. It came with 3 or 4 of the remastered CDs, and I was determined to get the rest, even getting Killing Machine instead of Hell Bent for Leather. Now I only have a best of, Screaming for Vengeance and Painkiller.
I don't plan on listening to any more of Firepower.
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The production on Firepower is bloody wonderful. Sounds incredible.
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I spun it at work today as evidenced in the album thread!
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I really like Never the Heroes. The simplicity of that riff in relation to how amazing and powerful it is is mind blowing, yet there's nothing generic about it.
Same goes with the simple, effective riffing on Rising From Ruins.
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Traitors Gate is by far the greatest song on the album. It's amazing.
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Traitors Gate is by far the greatest song on the album. It's amazing.
:metal
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If memory serves correct it was similar for me ..............Rising From Ruin, Traitors Gate and add in No Surrender and they were my go to songs.
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It's been a while since I gave it a listen now, but I remember Spectre being a big favourite of mine.
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Spectre and Never the heroes are easily my favorites. I also love the title track, Flamethrower, Lightning strikes and No surrender.
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I just looooove that guitar tone. Makes me want to go buy an Engl.
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Traitors Gate is by far the greatest song on the album. It's amazing.
a fav for sure I love every song on it
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Still can't believe Judas Priest had an album this good left in them. When I heard they were doing another one my initial reaction to the news was somewhere between :\ and :|
But when I first heard it my reaction was more along the lines of :metal :eek :metal :eek :metal :eek
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Also shoutout for that little fun kickass song that is No Surrender. So catchy and punchy and memorable. Had it been released in the '80s, it would have been a minor Breaking the Law.
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Still can't believe Judas Priest had an album this good left in them. When I heard they were doing another one my initial reaction to the news was somewhere between :\ and :|
But when I first heard it my reaction was more along the lines of :metal :eek :metal :eek :metal :eek
Totally agree I honestly thought they were finished after Defenders!!!!! I remember thinking this is the end... 35 years later they keep rolling along
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Also shoutout for that little fun kickass song that is No Surrender. So catchy and punchy and memorable. Had it been released in the '80s, it would have been a minor Breaking the Law.
Love it
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If memory serves correct it was similar for me ..............Rising From Ruin, Traitors Gate and add in No Surrender and they were my go to songs.
Rising is a close second place.
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By the way, I listened to Defenders (and Point of Entry, which I like too) last week and man is that a solid metal record, top to bottom.
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By the way, I listened to Defenders (and Point of Entry, which I like too) last week and man is that a solid metal record, top to bottom.
Coincidentally, I listened to them both not too long ago. Defenders is fantastic. Might even make top 3 in my book. PoE is far too hit/miss. Some very good songs and some really awful songs. Just like the woeful British Steel before it. The two of those contain one fantastic album's worth of material. Unfortunately, my hunch is that had they waited and combined them they would have released it's opposite, instead. :lol
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Yup, spun Defenders last week at work, and Firepower yesterday. Might spin the Point Of Entry EP tomorrow.
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Defenders top 3 for me, no question. It's a strong record top to bottom. Wonderful heavy metal.
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By the way, I listened to Defenders (and Point of Entry, which I like too) last week and man is that a solid metal record, top to bottom.
Coincidentally, I listened to them both not too long ago. Defenders is fantastic. Might even make top 3 in my book. PoE is far too hit/miss. Some very good songs and some really awful songs. Just like the woeful British Steel before it. The two of those contain one fantastic album's worth of material. Unfortunately, my hunch is that had they waited and combined them they would have released it's opposite, instead. :lol
I agree about Point of Entry, but what songs are you removing from British Steel? The only songs I wouldn't mind losing would be You Don't Have to Be Old to Be Wise and The Rage (and MAYBE having both Metal Gods and United is a bit much). Point of Entry, on the other hand, is all about Heading out to the Highway and Desert Plains. Side 2, in particular, is really forgettable.
And count me among those who LOVED Firepower. Rising from Ruins is probably my favorite track, but it's solid from top to bottom.
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I've always like You Don't Have To Be Old To Be Wise.
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I've always like You Don't Have To Be Old To Be Wise.
It's ok, but it doesn't do much for me.
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The Rage is actually my favorite song on British Steel.
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too many amazing songs to list.... they may have 20 clunkers total...
Feel blessed to have seen them so many times since Hell Bent..Firepower was a GIFT...
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I gotta do a good solid Priest run through of their 70's output. They are real peripheral albums for me. I have them, but it's extremely rare I bust them out.
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I gotta do a good solid Priest run through of their 70's output. They are real peripheral albums for me. I have them, but it's extremely rare I bust them out.
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Sin after Sin is a monumental album for me Sinner and Starbreaker I had no words
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The Rage is actually my favorite song on British Steel.
You and me both. The back to back of that and Steeler is so money. :metal :metal
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Sin After Sin is criminally underrated. Might be my fav until Defenders came along truthfully.
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Defenders side A is one of the greatest sides in metal.
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I gotta do a good solid Priest run through of their 70's output. They are real peripheral albums for me. I have them, but it's extremely rare I bust them out.
At least crank SC as loud as you can stand. Easily my favorite, not a weak note anywhere and has their best song.
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SC is one I should revisit more.
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SC is one I should revisit more.
Yeah, it seems every couple of years I run through them, but it almost feels like an obligation. I don't completely connect with them, but I am going to give them some serious attention this week.
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I slightly prefer Screaming for Vengeance over Stained Class when it comes to their best studio album, but both are fantastic and very consistent. I agree that Defenders of the Faith is damn good as well. Throw that one in there with British Steel and Sin After Sin and there's your Judas Priest top 5.
We can't sleep on the debut either. Rocka Rolla is a damn fine record.
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I take Screaming over Defenders.
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I've said it countless times, but I never understood the hype and accolades SFV gets.
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I've said it countless times, but I never understood the hype and accolades SFV gets.
Side 1 of Defenders might be the best album side in their discography, but Side 2 is relatively useless to me.
Screaming has just a bit more rawness in the production and I think it's a deeper album. Not by much, but if I only had one to listen to....
If I ranked the albums..
Electric Eye
Screaming For Vengeance
The Sentinal
Riding On The Wind
Freewheel Burning
Rock Hard Ride Free
You've Got Another Thing Coming
Bloodstone
Jawbreaker
Devil's Child
Night Comes Down
Love Bites
Fever
(Take These) Chains
Eat Me Alive
Heavy Duty/Defenders Of The Faith
Pain And Pleasure
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I would agree that Side 1 of Defenders is better than Side 2, but I love Night Comes Down so much that that alone makes it kinda close.
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Comparing the two albums is close. They are the 1-2 punch in their discography. There's really no wrong answer in making a preference.
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Looking at the 70's albums, my favorite is Stained Class. But like I said, I'm going to do a deep dive this week on them.
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SC is one I should revisit more.
I don't connect with this album at all, aside from Beyond The Realms Of Death. I don't rank this one as high as many others seems to do.
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SC is one I should revisit more.
I don't connect with this album at all, aside from Beyond The Realms Of Death. I don't rank this one as high as many others seems to do.
Yeah, kind of the same for me mate.
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Screaming is fantastic throughout, which only Fever being a good song among great songs. Defenders has some highlights as well as some average tracks, but it's still great overall.
Anyone else think Some heads are gonna roll is extremely underrated? :metal
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That's actually my least favourite on that album :P
But The Sentinel is a great one, and Freewheel Burning is among their best album openers ever.
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Freewheel Burning - Jawbreaker - Rock Hard, Ride Free - The Sentinel is an insane and godly four songs run. There are entire bands who don't write in their whole carrer four songs as good as those ones. Priest put four of them in a row on a single album.
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Screaming is fantastic throughout, which only Fever being a good song among great songs. Defenders has some highlights as well as some average tracks, but it's still great overall.
Anyone else think Some heads are gonna roll is extremely underrated? :metal
Top 3 song on the album and probably would crack my top 10. I find it fucking amazing with such an amazing groove and swagger. Wonderful song will cool but silly lyrics. Love it.
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Screaming and Defenders were the height of my Priest fanboy days.
As I mentioned previously, Firepower reignited my passion for Priest, and I started going through their catalogue from the beginning.
It will be my first listen to a bunch of their later stuff. Hit Unleashed In The East this morning....damn what an album. Reminded me how much I loved that album as a kid...so heavy and raw.
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Screaming is fantastic throughout, which only Fever being a good song among great songs. Defenders has some highlights as well as some average tracks, but it's still great overall.
Anyone else think Some heads are gonna roll is extremely underrated? :metal
You think P & P is better than Fever? Ok.
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Devil's Child
The Sentinel
Hellion/Electric Eye
Fever
Rock Hard, Ride Free
Some Heads Are Gonna Roll
Pain And Pleasure
Night Comes Down
You've Got Another Thing Coming
Bloodstone
Riding On The Wind
Screaming For Vengeance
Love Bites
Eat Me Alive
Heavy Duty/Defenders Of The Faith
Freewheel Burning
Jawbreaker
(Take These) Chains
Weird, when I rate the songs, this is where I sort of come out, but as a whole, I usually go for Defenders over Screaming. Maybe it's a mood thing, but song by song it looks like I prefer Screaming, but I'm not sure that's true.
I'm a big fan of Point Of Entry over British Steel; I'm going to do the same thing, but I have to listen to British Steel first.
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Screaming is fantastic throughout, which only Fever being a good song among great songs. Defenders has some highlights as well as some average tracks, but it's still great overall.
Anyone else think Some heads are gonna roll is extremely underrated? :metal
You think P & P is better than Fever? Ok.
You bet it is. ;D
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Solar Angels
Desert Plains
Turning Circles
Heading Out To The Highway
Metal Gods
On The Run
Steeler (Both this and Don't Go are so high because of the solo and outro; the harmony guitar on Don't Go is just sublime)
Don't Go
Living After Midnight
Grinder
United
You Say Yes
Breaking The Law
Troubleshooter
You Don't Have To Be Old To Be Wise
All The Way
The Rage
Rapid Fire
Hot Rockin'
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I'm a big fan of Point Of Entry over British Steel; I'm going to do the same thing, but I have to listen to British Steel first.
I'd have to listen to both of them. I'll report back tonight..
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SIN AFTER SIN
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@Kev...this thread needs to have its title updated...
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SFV and DOF...now THAT is in my wheelhouse.
I can't choose between the two sides of SFV. You've got two heavyweights on each side (Hellion/Electirc Eye, Riding on the Wind, title track and Another Thing). I remember having some difficulty with the supporting cast at first. I'd probably rank Fever and P&P as the bottom two songs on the album, but I still really like them.
On DOF, side 1 is the clear winner. The Sentinel is probably my all-time favorite Priest song, and Freewheel is such an ass kicker. The first three songs on side 2 are solid but not great (Eat Me Alive is probably my favorite), but the last three tracks really kind of weigh it down.
Ranking all the songs on the two albums together:
The Sentinel
Riding on the Wind
The Hellion/Electric Eye
Frewheel Burning
You've Got Another Thing Comin'
Screaming for Vengeance
Eat Me Alive
(Take These) Chains
Jawbreaker
Some Heads are Gonna Roll
Love Bites
Bloodstone
Rock Hard Ride Free
Fever
Pain and Pleasure
Night Comes Down
Heavy Duty/Defenders of the Faith
Weird, when I rate the songs, this is where I sort of come out, but as a whole, I usually go for Defenders over Screaming. Maybe it's a mood thing, but song by song it looks like I prefer Screaming, but I'm not sure that's true.
Same. I think for me, it comes down to Defenders being my first new Priest album and the second concert I ever attended. I had seen Ozzy (with Ratt) the month before, but Priest blew me away. Rob was/is so far above Ozzy as a frontman.
And I'll take another opportunity to post this:
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SFV and DOF...now THAT is in my wheelhouse.
I can't choose between the two sides of SFV. You've got two heavyweights on each side (Hellion/Electirc Eye, Riding on the Wind, title track and Another Thing). I remember having some difficulty with the supporting cast at first. I'd probably rank Fever and P&P as the bottom two songs on the album, but I still really like them.
On DOF, side 1 is the clear winner. The Sentinel is probably my all-time favorite Priest song, and Freewheel is such an ass kicker. The first three songs on side 2 are solid but not great (Eat Me Alive is probably my favorite), but the last three tracks really kind of weigh it down.
Ranking all the songs on the two albums together:
The Sentinel
Riding on the Wind
The Hellion/Electric Eye
Frewheel Burning
You've Got Another Thing Comin'
Screaming for Vengeance
Eat Me Alive
(Take These) Chains
Jawbreaker
Some Heads are Gonna Roll
Love Bites
Bloodstone
Rock Hard Ride Free
Fever
Pain and Pleasure
Night Comes Down
Heavy Duty/Defenders of the Faith
Weird, when I rate the songs, this is where I sort of come out, but as a whole, I usually go for Defenders over Screaming. Maybe it's a mood thing, but song by song it looks like I prefer Screaming, but I'm not sure that's true.
Same. I think for me, it comes down to Defenders being my first new Priest album and the second concert I ever attended. I had seen Ozzy (with Ratt) the month before, but Priest blew me away. Rob was/is so far above Ozzy as a frontman.
And I'll take another opportunity to post this:
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Great pic PG!! The Metal God himself Mr Rob Halford
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I've seen that before, but I love that picture.
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PG, which one is you? ;D
Here's the best I have..
June 4, 1986
Providence Civic Center
(https://i.imgur.com/0DLiy08.jpg)
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I'm a big fan of Point Of Entry over British Steel
I'm usually afraid to admit this, but same here. ;D
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PG, which one is you? ;D
Here's the best I have..
Nice seats!
And he was the nicest guy. We had dinner with him the night before this picture was taken at a little hole-in-the-wall Mexican restaurant in San Diego (his choice, and the manager knew him). At one point, the manager came up to our table and said another customer had asked about getting an autograph and was that OK with Rob. He said absolutely and signed something, took a selfie and shook the guy's hand. It was nice to see a fan handle himself that way and a guy of Rob's stature acknowledge the courtesy.
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Point of Entry better than British Steel? Is this the bizarro world?? :P
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OK, here's my ranking..
Heading Out To The Highway
Desert Plains
All of British Steel
The rest of Point Of Entry
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Point of Entry better than British Steel? Is this the bizarro world?? :P
I don't think that's that controversial.
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I think it's pretty controversial. British Steel is often heralded as a metal classic, filled with staple songs of the genre. Point Of Entry? Not so much...
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I think it's pretty controversial. British Steel is often heralded as a metal classic, filled with staple songs of the genre. Point Of Entry? Not so much...
Like SFV, I never understood its classic status. That's just my personal opinion though. So I guess it would be classed as controversial but not for me.
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So I was thinking about this British Steel / Point of Entry thing. I was as perplexed as any that one would like the latter over the former.
As I am doing a full catalogue listen from the beginning, due to Firepower reigniting my Priest passion.
I just happened to be at BS & POE yesterday and this morning, so I would like to share my findings so to speak.
First, I like British Steel far better, as I feel it is the better METAL album, and better PRIEST album. Part of my assessment is likely partially due to the fact that I was introduced to BS as my first Priest experience, so there is some romanticism there. I also fully respect that someone can absolutely like POE more than BS, but there are a few points I would like to make.
British Steel is far more in line with what Judas Priest was all about. Heavier riffs and heavier lyrics. Point of Entry was a response to heavy pressure from the label to write more radio friendly music. Its still Priest, but exhibits less of the Priest feel than BS. The band has said so themselves.
Now its 100% cool to like POE better than BS, but what shocks me is someone saying POE is a Better Priest album. That I have a tough time accepting. POE is a better Cars, Foreigner, or Billy Squire album than a Priest album....what with all the tamer guitars and pop sensibilities.
Again...like it better? Absolutely cool. But is it a better Priest Album? I guess one would look to the bands own words....but also their actions as well. After Hell Bent and BS, they make POE......then immediately course correct with Screaming and Defenders.
I did enjoy my listen this morning, and found I liked POE better than I did in the 80's. But it also felt like exactly what it was.....their Falling into Infinity. A great album that was affected by pressure to have a metal band make more commercially radio friendly tunes, right after a killer game-changing release (Awake)....then a course correction to an even more game-changing release with Scenes.
tldr:
**POE is FII 'cause BS is A, and SFV is SFAM, so BS > POE.
**all in good fun and JMO. :)
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I think it's pretty controversial. British Steel is often heralded as a metal classic, filled with staple songs of the genre. Point Of Entry? Not so much...
BTL and LAM are lame and far from deserving of their "classic" status. Only songs I like are RF, Steeler, and MG.
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I too consider Point of Entry a bland album. Heading Out to the Highway and Desert Plains are great, the rest I can live without. Congrats to those who like it, they have one more Priest album to overall enjoy than me!
Also it doesn't help that PoE is squeezed in the discography between Hell Bent for Leather and British Steel, those two album crush Point of Entry.
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I too consider Point of Entry a bland album. Heading Out to the Highway and Desert Plains are great, the rest I can live without. Congrats to those who like it, they have one more Priest album to overall enjoy than me!
Also it doesn't help that PoE is squeezed in the discography between Hell Bent for Leather and British Steel, those two album crush Point of Entry.
Between BS and SFV....which may crush it even more if you like the more modern Priest era. Either way it is a lose/lose for PoE IMO.
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Yup, total mistake on my part. Yes, the divide for me is even greater, it's like BRITISH STEEL > Point of Entry - SCREAMING FOR VENGEANCE.
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I think it's pretty controversial. British Steel is often heralded as a metal classic, filled with staple songs of the genre. Point Of Entry? Not so much...
Like SFV, I never understood its classic status. That's just my personal opinion though. So I guess it would be classed as controversial but not for me.
I mean, I said it, and I can admit it's controversial. They played all of British Steel in it's entirety not long ago, it was their first platinum album, and their first top ten album (#4 on the British charts) and first to break the top 50 in the US (#34). I'm pretty sure half of PoE has never even been played live, not even on that tour.
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Some random checks here and there on Setlist.FM seem to indicate that they always played a maximum of 4 songs every night off that album. Most likely the same 4 ones.
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Screaming for vengeance > > > Point of entry > > Defenders of the faith > > > Brittish steel
I do like Brittish steel, it is a classic, but the following albums work better for me. Point is more melodic and concise, Screaming is powerful and then Defenders is just as heavy with almost as many great songs.
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So I was thinking about this British Steel / Point of Entry thing. I was as perplexed as any that one would like the latter over the former.
As I am doing a full catalogue listen from the beginning, due to Firepower reigniting my Priest passion.
I just happened to be at BS & POE yesterday and this morning, so I would like to share my findings so to speak.
First, I like British Steel far better, as I feel it is the better METAL album, and better PRIEST album. Part of my assessment is likely partially due to the fact that I was introduced to BS as my first Priest experience, so there is some romanticism there. I also fully respect that someone can absolutely like POE more than BS, but there are a few points I would like to make.
British Steel is far more in line with what Judas Priest was all about. Heavier riffs and heavier lyrics. Point of Entry was a response to heavy pressure from the label to write more radio friendly music. Its still Priest, but exhibits less of the Priest feel than BS. The band has said so themselves.
Now its 100% cool to like POE better than BS, but what shocks me is someone saying POE is a Better Priest album. That I have a tough time accepting. POE is a better Cars, Foreigner, or Billy Squire album than a Priest album....what with all the tamer guitars and pop sensibilities.
Again...like it better? Absolutely cool. But is it a better Priest Album? I guess one would look to the bands own words....but also their actions as well. After Hell Bent and BS, they make POE......then immediately course correct with Screaming and Defenders.
I did enjoy my listen this morning, and found I liked POE better than I did in the 80's. But it also felt like exactly what it was.....their Falling into Infinity. A great album that was affected by pressure to have a metal band make more commercially radio friendly tunes, right after a killer game-changing release (Awake)....then a course correction to an even more game-changing release with Scenes.
tldr:
**POE is FII 'cause BS is A, and SFV is SFAM, so BS > POE.
**all in good fun and JMO. :)
All this is fair; I never said it was a better PRIEST album, I just said I liked it better. I don't say that to argue with you but to tee up this: I got into Priest and Maiden at the same time. SFV and TNOTB were the gateways. Then British Steel and Killers. Then Hell Bent For Leather and the Maiden debut. I liked then and like now SFV, but Number was a shade more to my liking. I thought Killer CRUSHED British Steel, and while it was closer, I preferred the Maiden debut over HBFL.
I've often said, I like Priest better when they're not trying so hard to be "fucking METAL!" That's why Freewheel Burning is so low on my list. I get it; we're not going to get deep love songs, and I don't want that, but even when I was 17 and getting into this I was never one that worried about my "metal bona fides", and some of the more quintessential Priest is a little cartoon-y to me. That's kind of why I like PoE better; there's some neat shit in there that isn't on some of the more "metal" records. That harmony guitar in the background of "Don't Go" during the outro. Makes the song for me. The "ah ah, ah ah" part of Turning Circles, as it goes into the solo. LOVE that. I also love Rob Halford as a SINGER, so those soaring lines on "Solar Angels", I'll take that all day long over that sort of stuttering vocal on... I'm blanking on the song right now, but where he sings the lines so fast you can barely make out what he's saying. Maybe it's my prog leanings, but I like when there's more than just 2:40 of pure aggression (it's also why I like Metallica from TBA on more than I like Metallica from TBA earlier).
I get that that's not what the general fanbase likes, but I'm good with that.
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Yeah, if I wasn't crystal clear in my post, regardless of my opinion, I have no problem whatsoever with how much anyone likes Point of Entry. Music is subjective.
or.....
FWIW, just my POV on PoE and BS, TBH its all IMO as YMMV.
TTYL.
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Thinking about Defenders again, I think it's the last album where Rob's voice was still in cheat code mode. He does some good stuff on the next 3 albums (Blood Red Skies obviously) but nothing to the level of Defenders quite again. IMO
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I listened to the first seven songs on my commute home last night and into the office this morning.
It has a weird vibe to it. That's not good or bad. There's virtually no complexity to any of the songs. Not that Priest is known for writing dances of eternity, but it's full of attempted repeats of Living After Midnight and Breaking the Law. HOTH succeeds in this regard. Songs like Don't Go and You Say Yes do not. Hot Rockin' is better than I remember, as is Turning Circles (although I don't really care for the intro to the latter). I love Desert Plains, but the guitars are muted or muzzled, and the bass sounds a by synthy.
Per KK Downing: "People don’t understand how pressurized we were by the label, either to do covers or make hits. With that album, we gave them what they wanted."
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I'll take that all day long over that sort of stuttering vocal on... I'm blanking on the song right now, but where he sings the lines so fast you can barely make out what he's saying.
I don't know, but Freewheel Burning is quite a good contender for this :lol
Lookbeforeyouleaphasneverbeenthewaywekeepourroadis FREE!!!!
Chargingtothetopandnevergiveinneverstopsthewayto BE!!!!
Holdontotheleadwithallyourwillandconcedeyou'llfindthere'slife
WITH VICTORY, WITH VICTORYYY ON HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH
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I'll take that all day long over that sort of stuttering vocal on... I'm blanking on the song right now, but where he sings the lines so fast you can barely make out what he's saying.
I don't know, but Freewheel Burning is quite a good contender for this :lol
Lookbeforeyouleaphasneverbeenthewaywekeepourroadis FREE!!!!
Chargingtothetopandnevergiveinneverstopsthewayto BE!!!!
Holdontotheleadwithallyourwillandconcedeyou'llfindthere'slife
WITH VICTORY, WITH VICTORYYY ON HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH
That song blew the mind of 16-year old me, and my opinion has not changed since then. Along with the video of the kid playing the video game Turbo Pole Position (re-branded as Freewheel Burning), that song encapsulates my high school metalhead days.
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FWIW, just my POV on PoE and BS, TBH its all IMO as YMMV.
TTYL.
LOL. :) :tup
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I'll take that all day long over that sort of stuttering vocal on... I'm blanking on the song right now, but where he sings the lines so fast you can barely make out what he's saying.
I don't know, but Freewheel Burning is quite a good contender for this :lol
Lookbeforeyouleaphasneverbeenthewaywekeepourroadis FREE!!!!
Chargingtothetopandnevergiveinneverstopsthewayto BE!!!!
Holdontotheleadwithallyourwillandconcedeyou'llfindthere'slife
WITH VICTORY, WITH VICTORYYY ON HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH
That's the passage I was thinking of. The "With victory..." part is an AMAZING vocal performance, I just don't like that style. I just think on PoE he does some neat, subtle vocal things. Like in Turning Circles, when he sings, "I'm turning circles, so stay away, we've all got somethin' wrong to say!" and he takes the "say" up an octave... I dig that shit.
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I've often said, I like Priest better when they're not trying so hard to be "fucking METAL!"
I totally get this. I liked the vibe on Point of Entry, as it feels like more of a rock album than a metal one, but the consistency from song to song just wasn't there. Don't get me wrong, Solar Angels is killer, and Desert Plains is a top Priest tune of any era in my book (and one of my top 5 driving songs ever!!), but there is just too much mediocrity littered on the rest of that album.
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Not sure why I passed on Firepower. I really enjoyed Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus and Redeemer of Souls. Guess I better order it.
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Not sure why I passed on Firepower. I really enjoyed Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus and Redeemer of Souls. Guess I better order it.
If you liked ROS, there's no way you'd be disappointed.
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I'd have to listen to both POE and BS back to back, but I can see both sides. BS always felt overrated and subpar to me personally, and POE was definitely a different side of Priest, which I never really loved, but it has its charm. Maybe more charm than BS, if that makes sense. I always leaned towards Turbo and Ram it Down as outlier Priest albums I liked.
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Rocka Rolla-
Disclaimer..this is NOT a first time reaction! I have heard it before, but it's just not really in my realm..at all. Been ages since I listened to it.
I think for 1974, it's really cool. The best track IMO is Run Of The Mill...I'd live to hear a modern day powerful version of this. The second half of Dying To Meet You is really cool. Not sure I totally get the first half.
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Big fan of both Run of the Mill and Dying to Meet You. One for the Road is a bad ass opener as well. I like that album a lot. Not as great as a lot of the other albums they did in the 70's or early 80's, but definitely better than anything they've done in the last 30 years.
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Rocka Rolla-
Disclaimer..this is NOT a first time reaction! I have heard it before, but it's just not really in my realm..at all. Been ages since I listened to it.
I think for 1974, it's really cool. The best track IMO is Run Of The Mill...I'd live to hear a modern day powerful version of this. The second half of Dying To Meet You is really cool. Not sure I totally get the first half.
I dig that album for sure
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That's one I didn't give many listens to. Might dig it out.
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Thoughts:
Rocka Rolla - I nailed down a CD with the original Coca-Cola cover...one of my collectors items. Not a bad album.
Favorite albums: #1 is Defenders, #2 is Stained Class. I’m not a HUGE JP fan but I’m very familiar with the classic material (cousin was a mega fan and we would go back and forth about who was better because I was a bit more into Maiden....I’ve never heard any reunion material). So I couldn’t really rate the rest.
Screaming is way over rated. Very high highs, but there are tracks I consider to be filler. (Fever, Pain and Pleasure, Take These Chains) whereas I love every song from Defenders.
Point of Entry is underrated and Solar Angels SLAYS.
Grew to love Turbo after hating it at first.
The opposite happened with Ram it Down. Loved it at first, now it seems like a bottom feeder. I guess the title track (which is still awesome) kicked my ass after not initially caring for the synth sounds of Turbo.
More to come if I think of it. But this has whet my appetite to revisit some JP.
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What makes Rocka rolla work for me is the B side, which is awesome throughout. Side A, however, is so and so.
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My favourite track on Rocka Rolla is Never Satisfied. I was watching a show on Youtube from the Epitaph tour a few months ago and was pleasantly surprised that they played that one.
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I was in the crowd observing how many fans were just staring at the stage waiting for the next song as the band was nailing it with Never satisfied. It was a great moment for me, yet not a lot of people appreciated it.
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I'm a BIG fan of Rocka-Rolla. I have one of those "bottle cap" versions as well; I remember getting it as an import from Karl Graf's, my local record store.
Other than the Winter Suite - which isn't BAD, it's just the "Deep Freeze" part is boring - there's not a duff song on that album, and that Side 2 is KILLER. I think "Run Of The Mill" is a top five, maybe top three Priest tune. The conventional wisdom is that Victim Of Changes is the "great" epic in the band's catalogue, and for me, "Run Of The Mill" crushes that. That ending vocal is just breath-taking.
I like Sad Wings, but I like Rocka Rolla way better as it's more consistent.
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I listened to the first seven songs on my commute home last night and into the office this morning.
I listened to the rest of POE on the way home last night. The last three songs are not very good. I think I'd rank the album thusly:
Desert Plains
Heading out to the Highway
Hot Rockin'
Turning Circles
Solar Angels
You Say Yes
All the Way
Don't Go
Troubleshooter
On the Run
As far as British Steel, it's MILES more consistent than POE. Ranking the songs:
Steeler
Rapid Fire
Grinder
Metal Gods
United
Living After Midnight
Breaking the Law
The Rage
YDHTBOTBW
Combining the two:
Desert Plains
Steeler
Rapid Fire
Heading out to the Highway
Grinder
Metal Gods
United
Living After Midnight
Hot Rockin'
Turning Circles
Breaking the Law
Solar Angels
The Rage
YDHTBOTBW
You Say Yes
All the Way
Don't Go
Troubleshooter
On the Run
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I'm a BIG fan of Rocka-Rolla. I have one of those "bottle cap" versions as well; I remember getting it as an import from Karl Graf's, my local record store.
Other than the Winter Suite - which isn't BAD, it's just the "Deep Freeze" part is boring - there's not a duff song on that album, and that Side 2 is KILLER. I think "Run Of The Mill" is a top five, maybe top three Priest tune. The conventional wisdom is that Victim Of Changes is the "great" epic in the band's catalogue, and for me, "Run Of The Mill" crushes that. That ending vocal is just breath-taking.
I like Sad Wings, but I like Rocka Rolla way better as it's more consistent.
Sad Wings is a tough one, as I can look at the track listing and think, "Oh yeah, that is one of their best, if not their best," but then I listen to it and am reminded that those original versions of Genocide and Victim of Changes are nothing special; the later live versions of both wipe the mat with those originals.
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When I want a fix of early Judas Priest I usually listen to Unleashed In The East. Rocka-Rolla is OK, I can take it or leave it. I almost never listen to it. Sad Wings of Destiny was my first Judas Priest album so it's always going to be special to me. I love the open/airy production. Stained Class has that same kind of sound and though it sounds a bit dated now, I still like that clean, kind of stripped down vibe.
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Because, why not?
Run Of The Mill
Dreamer Deceiver
Dying To Meet You/Hero Hero
Victim Of Changes
Caviar And Meths
Rocka Rolla
Deceiver
Never Satisfied
Cheater
Winter
One For The Road
The Ripper
Prelude
Island Of Domination
Winter Retreat
Tyrant
Genocide
Deep Freeze
Epitaph
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Beyond The Realms of Death > all other Judas Priest songs
Come at me :P :corn
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Beyond The Realms of Death > all other Judas Priest songs
Come at me :P :corn
I agree. That song alone is why stained class is in my top 3 JP albums. The fact that I like the rest of the album is just a bonus.
Side note I hope when they finally get touring again they put saints in hell back in the set. Sounded surprisingly good when they busted it out on the firepower tour.
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The Sentinel >>> Beyond the Realms of Death.
:P
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I like The Sentinel quite a bit, but nearly everyone I know in real life (what's that??) who is a Priest fan thinks it is a top 5-10 Priest tune, and that is too big of a leap for me. It's not even a top 3 tune from Defenders for me.
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It's top one for me. That's a great song right there.
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Beyond The Realms of Death > all other Judas Priest songs
Come at me :P :corn
Honestly? I'm inclined to agree. I do love Painkiller and The Sentinel, but lyrically Beyond the Realms of Death is miles ahead of both.
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Beyond The Realms of Death > all other Judas Priest songs
Come at me :P :corn
I might be on board with this.
The only blight it has is the chorus riff copying Feel Like Making Love. Otherwise, a perfect song.
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Beyond The Realms of Death > all other Judas Priest songs
Come at me :P :corn
Not controversial at all. One of the greatest metal songs and solos.
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Because, why not?
Run Of The Mill
Dreamer Deceiver
Dying To Meet You/Hero Hero
Victim Of Changes
Caviar And Meths
Rocka Rolla
Deceiver
Never Satisfied
Cheater
Winter
One For The Road
The Ripper
Prelude
Island Of Domination
Winter Retreat
Tyrant
Genocide
Deep Freeze
Epitaph
Got to give you props for being your own man. You are literally the first person I’ve seen in 54 years that thinks Rocka Rolla is better than Sad Wings.
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Love it when a thread prompts me to dig back into a discography. Last one was Dokken and Lynch Mob. Now JP. Fun ride!
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When I was younger, I got into Judas Priest with Point Of Entry, and their videos on MTV. From there I heard British Steel, both of which I had on 8 track. I got Unleashed In The East in a Columbia House hall.
I remember liking it. Screaming came out around this time as well. I was probably 13 at the time..
The first old Priest tape I got was Hell Bent For Leather. I remember being fairly disappointed with it. At some point in my teenage years, I got Stained Class. I thought it was better, but 70's Priest just never appealed to me the way 70's UFO or Thin Lizzy did. Heck, even Scorpions. They just never "hooked me in".
I have their 70's CDs that I've gotten over the years. I have no good reason why I don't listen to them more, other than I just..don't. I give them a cursory run through every couple of years, but this time around, I really wanted to take my time with them..
I mentioned Rocka Rolla the other night..
Sad Wings Of Destiny
This album starts out with the double shot of Victim Of Changes and The Ripper. These both make my 70's JP Top 10.
Dreamer Deceiver is nice enough. Seems to get a lot of love around here. The second half is pretty epic. But why name the next song Deceiver?? Sounds a bit Black Sabbathy.
Tyrant has a great solo starting around 2:49, feels a little Blackmore-ish to start.
Genocide is ok, and Epitaph...that's interesting and quite a change of pace. In a vacuum, it's actually really nice, but man, it's on an island here.
And speaking of islands, Island Of Domination is really cool.
If I'm comparing it to Rocka Rolla, I just think it's a step up in what they do. That said, for 1974, Rocka Rolla is pretty damned strong.
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Because, why not?
Run Of The Mill
Dreamer Deceiver
Dying To Meet You/Hero Hero
Victim Of Changes
Caviar And Meths
Rocka Rolla
Deceiver
Never Satisfied
Cheater
Winter
One For The Road
The Ripper
Prelude
Island Of Domination
Winter Retreat
Tyrant
Genocide
Deep Freeze
Epitaph
Got to give you props for being your own man. You are literally the first person I’ve seen in 54 years that thinks Rocka Rolla is better than Sad Wings.
I like what I like. Haha. It's not really a choice, and it helps/hurts that growing up I didn't have a ton of friends that liked the music I do.
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Not much has changed. :lol
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Sin After Sin
Sinner is a great opener. That whole section at 2:50 is amazing. Love the solo that seems to be going against the beat. That breakdown is fantastic. Great songwriting and arrangement.
Diamonds And Rust..No idea how they decided to cover a Joan Baez song, but they knocked it out.
Believe it or not, I have never sat through the Joan Baez original...until now. Holy shit that is powerful. WOW. I think I like her version better. Wow. Seems Priest skipped the second verse.
I love the guitar line from Starbreaker. That's a great tune. Could probably do without the hand clapping, but great tune nonetheless.
Last Rose Of Summer...it isn't bad, but it totally kills the killer vibe of Side 1.
Call For The Priest is amazing. You can hear its influence on bands like Saxon, Accept, and Riot. That part at 3:09 leading into a great vocal part is fantastic. It's a vocal line that Rob seemed to build upon over the next half dozen albums. So powerful. That twin solo at 4:48 is the basis for power metal twin guitar solos. Huge impact for a band like Helloween.
Raw Deal..Not a huge fan of the first 4 minutes, but goddamn, the last two minutes are great. What a groove.
Here Come The Tears is cool Yes.
Dissident Aggressor is heavy AF. No wonder Slayer covered it.
The bonus track, Race With The Devil is really interesting. It's a cover by a band called The Gun. Anyone check out the original? I did, from 1968, and it's really good.
Also seems to have influenced Sabbath's Sabra Cadabra.
Around 2:15, this seems to be the solo Mark Reale was channeling on his epic outro solo to Here We Come Again.
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Beyond The Realms of Death > all other Judas Priest songs
Come at me :P :corn
I might be on board with this.
The only blight it has is the chorus riff copying Feel Like Making Love. Otherwise, a perfect song.
To say nothing of the intro guitar figure being nearly identical to that of Styx's Suite Madame Blue.
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Beyond The Realms of Death > all other Judas Priest songs
Come at me :P :corn
I might be on board with this.
The only blight it has is the chorus riff copying Feel Like Making Love. Otherwise, a perfect song.
To say nothing of the intro guitar figure being nearly identical to that of Styx's Suite Madame Blue.
I'll have to listen, don't know the song.
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Here Come The Tears is cool Yes.
Could be a top 10 Priest song for me.
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Nice write-ups, Tim. :tup :tup
Sin after Sin is an odd album for me in the sense that it's killer at the start and the end, but the middle tracks are kinda average. Sinner is a top 5 Priest song for me, though, along with Beyond the Realms of Death, the live Victim of Changes, Desert Plains and either Bloodstone or A Touch of Evil.
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I bought last year the Judas Priest box set with all albums minus Owens era and the last 2. But I really need to hear properly the 70's Priest. The older album that I listened was Sin After Sin, since it has Simon Philips on drums (again me, Tim :D) and I was curious to hear how he sounded with the band. And it's very similar the way he sounded in the first MSG album, where I love his drumming! My first impression of the album was closer to KevShmev's, but it was positive, it has potential to be better.
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This is for El Barto if he's reading: Did you see Priest on the Fuel For Life tour in '86? I'm watching the "Priest... Live" DVD (the "Electric Eye" version, which has one or two more songs, but still skips "Victim Of Changes") which was filmed in Dallas (the album is I think taken from four different shows). Halford sounds REALLY good, and I'm wondering how much post-production work was done, if you get my drift.
Sorry if this is mean, but KK Downing looks ridiculous in that video. He looks like a cross between Tawny Kitaen (RIP) and a parody of every metal guitar player ever. It's interesting; I haven't seen Priest in person lately, but in the video, it seems as if Tipton is doing a LOT of the heavy lifting.
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I haven't listened to Priest Live in decades. It never really sounded legit to me. Just pulled it up on Spotify. The crowd noise sounds so fake.
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Last Rose Of Summer...it isn't bad, but it totally kills the killer vibe of Side 1.
I just ran through Sin After Sin again this morning, and I wanted to amend this to say that while musically, it still kills the vibe of Side 1, lyrically, this song is amazing. Great words.
Also, I just sat through the Joan Baez version of D&R again. That shit is strong. What a performance. So haunting.
I love the final verse:
"Now you're telling me
You're not nostalgic
Then give me another word for it
You who are so good with words
And at keeping things vague
Because I need some of that vagueness now
It's all come back too clearly
Yes I loved you dearly
And if you're offering me diamonds and rust
I've already paid"
WOW!
Of course, I'm probably the last guy to really check it out, but here's the link to the lyric video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ST9TZBb9v8
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This is for El Barto if he's reading: Did you see Priest on the Fuel For Life tour in '86? I'm watching the "Priest... Live" DVD (the "Electric Eye" version, which has one or two more songs, but still skips "Victim Of Changes") which was filmed in Dallas (the album is I think taken from four different shows). Halford sounds REALLY good, and I'm wondering how much post-production work was done, if you get my drift.
Sorry if this is mean, but KK Downing looks ridiculous in that video. He looks like a cross between Tawny Kitaen (RIP) and a parody of every metal guitar player ever. It's interesting; I haven't seen Priest in person lately, but in the video, it seems as if Tipton is doing a LOT of the heavy lifting.
Hasn't that always been the case?
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Stained Class
Exciter is a great opener. Double bass intro, heavy metal. I love the "You'll never see him But you will taste the fire upon your tongue" part as Halford totally brings it. He's great in the entire song.
The solo section at 3:25 is great and takes the song to the next level with the harmonies at 3:35.
White Heat Red Hot- kind of a meh song but the solo section is excellent.
Better By You Better Than Me- Great tune. I've always liked it. What is it about though? Is it about suicide? I'm thrown by the whole "my blood on your window sill" line.
I love the chorus on this. Really powerful.
Really cool intro to Stained Class. The song has lots of twists and turns. At 3:15 the song goes next level. What a bad ass riff. What a great solo that follows.
Invader is kind of a fun quirky song. A bit of filler if you ask me.
Saints In Hell is heavy AF. Lyrically as well. Goddamn. Would love to hear this song with a modern Firepower styled production. Oh, there's a live version from 2018, says it's the first time played live..Wow! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_IpC1ewIgg
Savage is a nice enough song. More filler.
Beyond The Realms Of Death is amazing. I've always loved this song. One of the best songs the band has ever recorded. Plain and simple.
Heroes End is a bit anticlimactic after Beyond The Realms Of Death. They should've switched the last two tracks.
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Nice writeup Tim. Interesting the thought of switching the last two songs. Death would be interesting as the closer.
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Stained Class
Exciter is a great opener. Double bass intro, heavy metal. I love the "You'll never see him But you will taste the fire upon your tongue" part as Halford totally brings it. He's great in the entire song.
The solo section at 3:25 is great and takes the song to the nest level with the harmonies at 3:35.
White Heat Red Hot- kind of a meh song but the solo section is excellent.
Better By You Better Than Me- Great tune. I've always liked it. What is it about though? Is it about suicide? I'm thrown by the whole "my blood on your window sill" line.
I love the chorus on this. Really powerful.
Really cool intro to Stained Class. he song has lots of twists and turns. At 3:15 the song goes next level. What a bad ass riff. What a great solo that follows.
Invader is kind of a fun quirky song. A bit of filler if you ask me.
Saints In Hell is heavy AF. Lyrically as well. Goddamn. Would love to hear this song with a modern Firepower styled production. Oh, there's a live version from 2018, says it's the first time played live..Wow! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_IpC1ewIgg
Savage is a nice enough song. More filler.
Beyond The Realms Of Death is amazing. I've always loved this song. One of the best songs the band has ever recorded. Plain and simple.
Heroes End is a bit anticlimactic after Beyond The Realms Of Death. They should've switched the last two tracks.
Yeah they pulled out a lot of surprises for the firepower tour. They also dusted off Tyrant, Out in the Cold, When Night Comes Down, Take these chains, and All Guns Blazing. Wonder what they'll play when the finally get to do the anniversary tour.
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My Top 10 70's Priest songs:
1. Beyond The Realms Of Death
2. Victim Of Changes
3. The Ripper
4. Sinner
5. Call For The Priest
6. Diamonds And Rust
7. Exciter
8. Better By You Better Than Me
9. Hell Bent For Leather
10. Race With The Devil
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My Top 10 70's Priest songs:
1. Beyond The Realms Of Death
2. Victim Of Changes
3. The Ripper
4. Sinner
5. Call For The Priest
6. Diamonds And Rust
7. Exciter
8. Better By You Better Than Me
9. Hell Bent For Leather
10. Race With The Devil
You're missing Dreamer Deceiver, but that's a damn good list. You've got my top 3 at 1, 2 and 4, so there ya go.
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Like I said, I have these albums. I just never really listen to them very much, if at all. I really enjoyed my deep dive this week on them.
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My Top 10 70's Priest songs:
1. Beyond The Realms Of Death
2. Victim Of Changes
3. The Ripper
4. Sinner
5. Call For The Priest
6. Diamonds And Rust
7. Exciter
8. Better By You Better Than Me
9. Hell Bent For Leather
10. Race With The Devil
That's a safe and strong list with a couple of surprises.
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You like the 70s Priest, I understand?
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You like the 70s Priest, I understand?
Me?
Yeah, while I've known to be more of a fan of 80's and later, the 70's stuff is excellent. Big fan of Sin and Sad Wings and even Hell Bent had a lot of cool shit. Stained Class I need to revisit but I might go through all of them again too.
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Sorry, that was directed to TAC. ;D
I love 70s Priest, too, though three of my top five releases are from the 80s. There's not an average album in their first decade, even the debut is damn good overall.
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I was never is huge fan of 70’s Priest. I have the albums and all but hardly listen to them. I just did a deep dive and listed my Top 10 songs of that era.
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I haven't listened to Priest Live in decades. It never really sounded legit to me. Just pulled it up on Spotify. The crowd noise sounds so fake.
That video/time period was really the tipping point for me; they SOUND so good still, but everything else just got so... comical from that point forward.
I listened to Sin After Sin and Killing Machine (Hell Bent For Leather, here in the States) this weekend. Sin After Sin is SOLID. I don't remember it being that good, to be honest. There really isn't a duff song on that whole record. Personally, I LOVE "Last Rose Of Summer"; it has a Little Wing/Catch The Rainbow vibe, and that's a great vocal from Halford.
Tim, not that it matters, since they aren't that different, but there are two versions of Diamonds and Rust; one was recorded during Sad Wings, and they redid it during the Sin After Sin sessions. Both have been released, though. The song was so obviously about Bob Dylan, Priest cut the middle two verses because they were very specific to him. My personal favorite is the bridge; the image of the "breath" hanging in the air is strong.
Here's an amazing performance by Rob (thought Travis looks ridiculous twirling the sticks like it's "Hell Bent For Leather"): https://youtu.be/mIC7KQPDuDc
Here's another: https://youtu.be/6wGlbYpBQdQ Rob Halford is so good on this as well.
Here's a third (which is good, but doesn't really hold next to Priest's and the original): https://youtu.be/ERs0sudtF3g
Sorry for the overkill, but if you're interested in Joan Baez, early on, Page and Plant bonded over her version of "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You", and Zeppelin used her version as the template for their own (you can hear it in the musical accompaniment), even though she didn't write it originally. https://youtu.be/2luQaNDo--Q
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Better By You Better Than Me- Great tune. I've always liked it. What is it about though? Is it about suicide? I'm thrown by the whole "my blood on your window sill" line.
I love the chorus on this. Really powerful.
Great tune; written by the guy that wrote "Dream Weaver" and "Love Alive", Gary Wright. From what I gather, it's not about suicide, even though that's a common idea, since the whole "Judas Priest suicide" lawsuit ("Do it!") was over this song. From what I am able to piece together, it's about a guy in love with a woman and about to go off to war (Vietnam? It was written in '69) and he can't bring himself to tell the girl how he feels, so he wants his friend to do it for him (my thoughts are better expressed by you, better than if expressed by me). The blood on the windowsill is saying "don't wait for me to come back, because I probably won't". I'm not saying this is right, but it's the concensus from the "Song Facts" entry that you can google.
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Thank you. That’s interesting.
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I'll take some heat for this, I'm sure, but:
1. Run Of The Mill
2. Dreamer Deceiver
3. The Green Manalishi
4. Beyond The Realms Of Death
5. Dying To Meet You
6. Sinner
7. Invader (Could be Savage, as well; I love Stained Class)
8. White Heat, Red Hot
9. Diamonds And Rust
10. Last Rose Of Summer
Victim Of Changes should be on there, too, but I wanted to include some songs that don't get a lot of love except from me. :)
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My Top 10 70's Priest songs:
1. Beyond The Realms Of Death
2. Victim Of Changes
3. The Ripper
4. Sinner
5. Call For The Priest
6. Diamonds And Rust
7. Exciter
8. Better By You Better Than Me
9. Hell Bent For Leather
10. Race With The Devil
By the way, I find it fascinating that "Beyond The Realms Of Death", which many consider one of the standout songs in the catalogue was written by Rob Halford and Les Binks, his only writing credit in the band, and didn't feature either K.K. Downing or Glenn Tipton (the only song in the entire catalogue written by the band that did not).
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That's interesting, though I haven't looked at the writing credits. Such a great acoustic intro.
Sorry for the overkill, but if you're interested in Joan Baez, early on, Page and Plant bonded over her version of "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You", and Zeppelin used her version as the template for their own (you can hear it in the musical accompaniment), even though she didn't write it originally. https://youtu.be/2luQaNDo--Q
So...
1. I'm not now going on a Joan Baez binge :lol but..
2. Babe I'm Gonna Leave You is easily by far the best track on LZ1, so... :facepalm: guess I'm going to have to check it out. :lol
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Goddamn, that was awful! :lol :lol
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By the way, I find it fascinating that "Beyond The Realms Of Death", which many consider one of the standout songs in the catalogue was written by Rob Halford and Les Binks, his only writing credit in the band, and didn't feature either K.K. Downing or Glenn Tipton (the only song in the entire catalogue written by the band that did not).
That's why Binksy was a party to that idiotic lawsuit and Dave Holland wasn't.
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so much goodness in this outstanding thread...
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Rocka Rolla-
Disclaimer..this is NOT a first time reaction! I have heard it before, but it's just not really in my realm..at all. Been ages since I listened to it.
I think for 1974, it's really cool. The best track IMO is Run Of The Mill...I'd live to hear a modern day powerful version of this. The second half of Dying To Meet You is really cool. Not sure I totally get the first half.
I pulled the cd out and had a run though this morning. It's pretty much how I remembered, but maybe a little darker than I remembered too. It has that bluesy rock feel but I do get a bit of self titled Sabbath feels here and there. The guitar tone is pretty decent for the time. Funny, I knew this was KK's album but pretty much all the leads are his. Glenn's style definitely added to Priests sound as they developed.
I echo your statement about a modern day version of Run of the Mill. KK actually keeps interest during the long solo, but would love to have heard Glenn on this too, and some heavier tones on this would be epic. It's a great song a clearly the highlight. I always liked the title track though, that's a cool tune. Solid debut.
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Yeah, I think for 1974, it definitely holds its own. I don't think it's as good as the next three albums, but it's still solid (in a good way..).
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Yeah, I think for 1974, it definitely holds its own. I don't think it's as good as the next three albums, but it's still solid (in a good way..).
Yeah, I meant solid in the highest regard haha. Looking forward to Sad Wings on the way home.
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By the way, I find it fascinating that "Beyond The Realms Of Death", which many consider one of the standout songs in the catalogue was written by Rob Halford and Les Binks, his only writing credit in the band, and didn't feature either K.K. Downing or Glenn Tipton (the only song in the entire catalogue written by the band that did not).
There are not many bands where my favorite song has never changed. Judas Priest is one. I thought Beyond the Realms of Death was their most awesome song right away when I got into the band in the 90's and that opinion has never changed.
That gives me an idea for a new thread, actually...
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I kind of forgot how absolutely incredible Dreamer Deceiver is. Holy hell, just magic.
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Goddamn, that was awful! :lol :lol
HAHAHAHA. I don't disagree, by the way.
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Rocka Rolla-
Disclaimer..this is NOT a first time reaction! I have heard it before, but it's just not really in my realm..at all. Been ages since I listened to it.
I think for 1974, it's really cool. The best track IMO is Run Of The Mill...I'd live to hear a modern day powerful version of this. The second half of Dying To Meet You is really cool. Not sure I totally get the first half.
I pulled the cd out and had a run though this morning. It's pretty much how I remembered, but maybe a little darker than I remembered too. It has that bluesy rock feel but I do get a bit of self titled Sabbath feels here and there. The guitar tone is pretty decent for the time. Funny, I knew this was KK's album but pretty much all the leads are his. Glenn's style definitely added to Priests sound as they developed.
I echo your statement about a modern day version of Run of the Mill. KK actually keeps interest during the long solo, but would love to have heard Glenn on this too, and some heavier tones on this would be epic. It's a great song a clearly the highlight. I always liked the title track though, that's a cool tune. Solid debut.
It was produced by Rodger Bain, who produced the first three Sabbath records (and Tom Allom, who later produced Priest, engineered that first Sabbath record). Both bands are from the Birmingham area, as well, for what that's worth (Robert Plant is from there as well).
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I kind of forgot how absolutely incredible Dreamer Deceiver is. Holy hell, just magic.
https://youtu.be/Wvlq1F-X6Ko
Not as good as the studio version for me, but still a notable performance.
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Listened to Firepower twice now. What a killer album! Gotta be among their best, both from a musical and sonic standpoint. And man, what great guitar tones.
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Listened to Firepower twice now. What a killer album! Gotta be among their best, both from a musical and sonic standpoint. And man, what great guitar tones.
;) :tup :metal
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This is for El Barto if he's reading: Did you see Priest on the Fuel For Life tour in '86? I'm watching the "Priest... Live" DVD (the "Electric Eye" version, which has one or two more songs, but still skips "Victim Of Changes") which was filmed in Dallas (the album is I think taken from four different shows). Halford sounds REALLY good, and I'm wondering how much post-production work was done, if you get my drift.
Sorry if this is mean, but KK Downing looks ridiculous in that video. He looks like a cross between Tawny Kitaen (RIP) and a parody of every metal guitar player ever. It's interesting; I haven't seen Priest in person lately, but in the video, it seems as if Tipton is doing a LOT of the heavy lifting.
Nothing against KK Downing but I've always seen him as the rhythm guitar player and Tipton as the lead guitar player. I know Downing plays solos too but for my money it's the Tipton solos that carry most of the best songs.
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Listened to Firepower twice now. What a killer album! Gotta be among their best, both from a musical and sonic standpoint. And man, what great guitar tones.
I definitely put it in their top 5 albums of all time, maybe even top 3. There are only 3 or 4 Judas Priest albums I listen to all the way through and this is one of them. Every track is great. And you're right about that guitar tone!
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This is for El Barto if he's reading: Did you see Priest on the Fuel For Life tour in '86? I'm watching the "Priest... Live" DVD (the "Electric Eye" version, which has one or two more songs, but still skips "Victim Of Changes") which was filmed in Dallas (the album is I think taken from four different shows). Halford sounds REALLY good, and I'm wondering how much post-production work was done, if you get my drift.
Sorry if this is mean, but KK Downing looks ridiculous in that video. He looks like a cross between Tawny Kitaen (RIP) and a parody of every metal guitar player ever. It's interesting; I haven't seen Priest in person lately, but in the video, it seems as if Tipton is doing a LOT of the heavy lifting.
Nothing against KK Downing but I've always seen him as the rhythm guitar player and Tipton as the lead guitar player. I know Downing plays solos too but for my money it's the Tipton solos that carry most of the best songs.
For a time there - I'm saying, Defenders through maybe Turbo or so - they put all the lead breaks into the liner notes, and without paying too much attention to it (I thought it was kind of stupid) it seemed to suggest that the breakdown was fairly even, but I think you're right, the Tipton solos are the ones that I find I'm paying attention to.
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Rocka Rolla-
Disclaimer..this is NOT a first time reaction! I have heard it before, but it's just not really in my realm..at all. Been ages since I listened to it.
I think for 1974, it's really cool. The best track IMO is Run Of The Mill...I'd live to hear a modern day powerful version of this. The second half of Dying To Meet You is really cool. Not sure I totally get the first half.
I pulled the cd out and had a run though this morning. It's pretty much how I remembered, but maybe a little darker than I remembered too. It has that bluesy rock feel but I do get a bit of self titled Sabbath feels here and there. The guitar tone is pretty decent for the time. Funny, I knew this was KK's album but pretty much all the leads are his. Glenn's style definitely added to Priests sound as they developed.
I echo your statement about a modern day version of Run of the Mill. KK actually keeps interest during the long solo, but would love to have heard Glenn on this too, and some heavier tones on this would be epic. It's a great song a clearly the highlight. I always liked the title track though, that's a cool tune. Solid debut.
It was produced by Rodger Bain, who produced the first three Sabbath records (and Tom Allom, who later produced Priest, engineered that first Sabbath record). Both bands are from the Birmingham area, as well, for what that's worth (Robert Plant is from there as well).
Didn't take notice of the producer. Makes sense.
And yes, that live performance of DD you posted is classic.
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It was produced by Rodger Bain,
Lemme guess..engineered by Jimmy Glover? ;D
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This is for El Barto if he's reading: Did you see Priest on the Fuel For Life tour in '86? I'm watching the "Priest... Live" DVD (the "Electric Eye" version, which has one or two more songs, but still skips "Victim Of Changes") which was filmed in Dallas (the album is I think taken from four different shows). Halford sounds REALLY good, and I'm wondering how much post-production work was done, if you get my drift.
Sorry if this is mean, but KK Downing looks ridiculous in that video. He looks like a cross between Tawny Kitaen (RIP) and a parody of every metal guitar player ever. It's interesting; I haven't seen Priest in person lately, but in the video, it seems as if Tipton is doing a LOT of the heavy lifting.
Nothing against KK Downing but I've always seen him as the rhythm guitar player and Tipton as the lead guitar player. I know Downing plays solos too but for my money it's the Tipton solos that carry most of the best songs.
For a time there - I'm saying, Defenders through maybe Turbo or so - they put all the lead breaks into the liner notes, and without paying too much attention to it (I thought it was kind of stupid) it seemed to suggest that the breakdown was fairly even, but I think you're right, the Tipton solos are the ones that I find I'm paying attention to.
When it comes to the solos that matter, it's Tipton. If anyone wants to know who plays what on anything just ask me. KK does some cool shit but Glenn is light years ahead of KK in that department.
I'd have to go through but the only solos I can think of where KK might beat Glenn in a duel are Rock Hard Ride Free and One Shot At Glory.
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I can never keep track of which guy plays which solo, but their dual solo on Ram It Down is one of the most bad ass moments in the band's history. :metal :metal
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This is for El Barto if he's reading: Did you see Priest on the Fuel For Life tour in '86? I'm watching the "Priest... Live" DVD (the "Electric Eye" version, which has one or two more songs, but still skips "Victim Of Changes") which was filmed in Dallas (the album is I think taken from four different shows). Halford sounds REALLY good, and I'm wondering how much post-production work was done, if you get my drift.
Sorry if this is mean, but KK Downing looks ridiculous in that video. He looks like a cross between Tawny Kitaen (RIP) and a parody of every metal guitar player ever. It's interesting; I haven't seen Priest in person lately, but in the video, it seems as if Tipton is doing a LOT of the heavy lifting.
Wasn't reading, but saw somebody quote it on the last page. I was there, 7th row. I honestly couldn't tell you how much of it's real, I wasn't hugely into their older stuff by that point and I thought Turbo sucked balls, but my guess would be very little. Priest is no stranger to doctoring up their live recordings, and Live! was absurdly polished. The only thing I really remember was that Sentinel was fantastic, which is certainly what the video shows.
Interesting trivia: All of it was filmed here at the late Reunion Arena, except for a handful shots. Dallas prohibited indoor pyrotechnics, so any scenes with explosions or flames were fills taken at the Houston show (in what is now a megachurch).
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I wasn't hugely into their older stuff by that point and I thought Turbo sucked balls,
I saw the Turbo tour and this would also describe me.
I was too young to see the Screaming show and I didn't see the Defenders show because we got tickets to the Van Halen show a month earlier. VH was my 3rd concert and I couldn't pull off the Priest show with my parents.
Turbo was my first time seeing them. I thought Out In The Cold was a strange opener.
I skipped the Ram It Down show.
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Last week, I said I'd have to relisten to both British Steel, which I am pretty familiar with, and Point Of Entry, which I haven't heard in its entirety in literally 35 years.
First..
British Steel
I have to say that I really like British Steel.
Breaking The Law is a GREAT song. Such great verses. I love the second half of each verse "Feel as though nobody cares..." as it really raises the bar. The chorus is a bit simple, but it doesn't wear out its welcome.
The musical bridge, even without a guitar solo, is powerful.
Classic heavy metal hit.
I'm not really sure how I feel about Rapid Fire. I feel like I should like it more, but it almost feels like a distraction. It's just not really fulfilling, if you catch my drift.
I find the part at 1:38 ..where have I heard that before... oh yeah.. 1:46 of Prowler.
Metal Gods has a great verse. I love the groove of it. The chorus is what it is. I mean..it's Metal Gods. But that's a great solo, Yes!
Grinder is fucking awesome. My eyes were opened to it when I saw them on the Painkiller tour. It unleashed the track for me. Has a great Phil Rudd/AC-DC feel to it. Not sure the chorus lives up to the verse but it never hinders the track. Songs like this are why I love Saxon so much.
United...skip
Actually, I really like the rhythm of the verse.
Living After Midnight-a classic metal anthem. It's stood the test of time and remains a signature track. And I don't even mind.
There's something about You Don't Have To Be Old To Be Wise that I've always liked. Both solos are nice and controlled. I just think it's a cool song.
For a song called The Rage, it starts off curiously quietly. That's a great opening though. I also like this song a lot. The verse is really cool. And Halford ends each verse incredibly.
Steeler is pretty decent, but like Rapid Fire, it feels a bit unfulfilling. It's strength is that middle part that starts at 1:37. The part at 2:45 to the end is almost Aerosmith-y.
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It was produced by Rodger Bain,
Lemme guess..engineered by Jimmy Glover? ;D
:tup :tup
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This is for El Barto if he's reading: Did you see Priest on the Fuel For Life tour in '86? I'm watching the "Priest... Live" DVD (the "Electric Eye" version, which has one or two more songs, but still skips "Victim Of Changes") which was filmed in Dallas (the album is I think taken from four different shows). Halford sounds REALLY good, and I'm wondering how much post-production work was done, if you get my drift.
Sorry if this is mean, but KK Downing looks ridiculous in that video. He looks like a cross between Tawny Kitaen (RIP) and a parody of every metal guitar player ever. It's interesting; I haven't seen Priest in person lately, but in the video, it seems as if Tipton is doing a LOT of the heavy lifting.
Wasn't reading, but saw somebody quote it on the last page. I was there, 7th row. I honestly couldn't tell you how much of it's real, I wasn't hugely into their older stuff by that point and I thought Turbo sucked balls, but my guess would be very little. Priest is no stranger to doctoring up their live recordings, and Live! was absurdly polished. The only thing I really remember was that Sentinel was fantastic, which is certainly what the video shows.
Interesting trivia: All of it was filmed here at the late Reunion Arena, except for a handful shots. Dallas prohibited indoor pyrotechnics, so any scenes with explosions or flames were fills taken at the Houston show (in what is now a megachurch).
Are you in there anywhere? Some cute girls are shown, though if I'm being honest, it's kind of tame by those standards (compare to any Kiss video where the front three rows are apparently populated by the Vivid Girls).
I saw the "Screaming..." tour, and while I really only remember Maiden (I can't even put into words how blown away I was), I do remember - vaguely - thinking "WOW can Rob Halford sing". So he must have done at least some of it live. I do remember "wow, ECHO", so maybe he had more help than I noticed. Everything else I remember is from the Live Vengeance video, since that was pretty much the same show I saw.
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First..
British Steel
Steeler is one of the few Holland-era songs that has a really standout drum track. The main riff is SO good, and it's a great song despite not having a chorus.
Never noticed the similarity between Rapid Fire and Prowler, and now I'll probably never not notice it. Interestingly, Wikipedia lists the same release dates for British Steel and the Maiden debut. I frickin' LOVE Halford's vocals on this song (in particular).
And I agree with your assessments of Breaking the Law and Living After Midnight.
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I'm not really sure how I feel about Rapid Fire. I feel like I should like it more, but it almost feels like a distraction. It's just not really fulfilling, if you catch my drift.
I find the part at 1:38 ..where have I heard that before... oh yeah.. 1:46 of Prowler.
I've heard each of those songs like 100 times each and never noticed that. Like PG, I'm probably never going to NOT think of that again!
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:lol
I'm pretty familiar with British Steel, and obviously the Maiden debut, and I've never heard it before either. But sitting here listening this afternoon, I recognized it from somewhere else. I literally tuned down the volume of my TV and shut off my headphones to concentrate. I had to concentrate and every time I replayed it in my head I got a few seconds more, until I finally realized it's followed by a Dave Murray lead.
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:lol
I'm pretty familiar with British Steel, and obviously the Maiden debut, and I've never heard it before either. But sitting here listening this afternoon, I recognized it from somewhere else. I literally tuned down the volume of my TV and shut off my headphones to concentrate. I had to concentrate and every time I replayed it in my head I got a few seconds more, until I finally realized it's followed by a Dave Murray lead.
HA! I hate when that happens! You can't let it go! That's EXACTLY what I did with Freewheel Burning above when I was trying to isolate the part where Rob sings really fast.
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Point Of Entry
Point Of Entry was my..um..point of entry with Judas Priest. I saw the videos on MTV, and looking to branch out into other hard rock bands, I liked the songs they showed..Heading Out To The Highway, Hot Rockin', and Don't Go (which I thought was a really interesting song).
I think the winding down of the metal influence in Point Of Entry is one of the reasons why Screaming For Vengeance is so holy shit amazing. By comparison it jumps out of the speakers.
Anyway, I listened intently to every Point Of Entry track today, some I haven't heard in decades..literally.
Heading Out To The Highway is my favorite Judas Priest song. It's likely the first song I heard from them and it has everything I like. Great opening riff, strong vocals, and a great harmonized guitar solo. It's really a perfect song.
I love this line:
"If you get it wrong, at least you can know
There's miles and miles to put it back together"
It's a great metaphor for making mistakes in your life, and the hope it gives to recover.
I still like Don't Go. It's hard to remove wonderful first impressions from a 13 y/o's music soul. Is it one of their best tunes? No, but it's personal to me and my memories of going to my grandmother's house to watch MTV.
Hot Rockin' is obviously a classic track. It definitely gets the blood flowing. Rob is great in the verse.
Turning Circles is a bit different. It starts out with an early KISS feel. The opening reminds me a little..a little of Love Her All I Can.
The breakdown at 2:00 is outstanding. Some great tasty guitar in this part. Honestly it would've been so much better without the vocals over it. @Kade, who's playing this part?
Desert Plains.. A Top 10 JP track for me. This is one song where I can actually say that Dave Holland is awesome in.
I'm not going to say that Solar Angels sucks. But I'm not going to say it's good either. The solo is real nice on it though. Real nice.
You Say Yes sounds like a Rocka Rolla holdover. The breakdown and guitar underneath is pretty cool, but again, clouded by the vocals on top of it.
The beginning of All The Way reminds me of the beginning of Mr. Speed. Even the "Alright baby, you know how to have a good time" screams Paul Stanley. Total KISS feel on this.
Pretty sure my 4th grade self could play the into to Troubleshooter. WTF were they thinking with this song? This song blows chunks.
On The Run has a total Saxon feel. Sounds like a rehash of the Grinder riff though.
All in all, an absolutely horrid Side 2.
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I think Rapid Fire works better as a concert opener than it does on the actual album. Also I prefer the live version on Metal Gods due to the high note Rob throws into the last verse.
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What tour did they open with Rapid Fire?
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What tour did they open with Rapid Fire?
The Epitaph tour. Fantastic setlist overall with at least one song from every album since it was supposed to be their last tour. Wonder if they'll ever do Blood Red Skies again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LJLyU6H0jI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LJLyU6H0jI)
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OK cool. I'll look into that tour tomorrow.
Actually I clicked it. Has Faulkner been with them that long already??
The last time I saw Judas Priest was in 1991, although I did see Halford (and Scott Travis) in Fight in 1994. They opened for Anthrax, and I remember standing next to Scott Travis during Anthrax's set.
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Love these writeups Tim. I never noticed the Prowler/Rapid Fire thing but I can hear it in my head now, don't even have to listen.
That's my favourite line in Heading Out to the Highway also Tim, and I think the same thing about it being a great metaphor in life.
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I'm still working through and am halfway through Sin. But Damn Sad Wings is an incredible album. Island of Domination I find a bit of a forgotten gem too.
Sin is great. Love the middle of Let Us Pray/Call for the Priest. Never realised but a strong Helloween vibe here.
Edit: Just went back to your writeup Tim and noticed you picked up on that too.
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OK cool. I'll look into that tour tomorrow.
Actually I clicked it. Has Faulkner been with them that long already??
The last time I saw Judas Priest was in 1991, although I did see Halford (and Scott Travis) in Fight in 1994. They opened for Anthrax, and I remember standing next to Scott Travis during Anthrax's set.
I saw the epitaph tour when it came around, it was my first concert. Thin Lizzy & Black Label society were the openers.
Also looking at clips from the Firepower tour It's really noticeable how they had slowed things down to help out Glenn his last few tours. Pretty much everything is being played at their original faster tempo now which Rob seems to sound better with.
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How good is Raw Deal! What an ending!
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I remember first getting online 20+ years ago and being quite shocked that a lot of fans do not like British Steel all that much. This was, of course, before I realized that a portion of the internet will always find a way to hate anything :lol, so there is that. And I get that many are sick of hearing Breaking the Law and Living After Midnight. I don't quite genuflect to Metal Gods like many fans do (I like it a lot, but I can't say I love it), but The Rage and Steeler both rate pretty high on my list of favorite Priest songs.
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How good is Raw Deal! What an ending!
Nightmare, just a bunch of goddamn, rotten, steaming... raw deal!!!! :metal
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Sin is great. Love the middle of Let Us Pray/Call for the Priest. Never realised but a strong Helloween vibe here.
Edit: Just went back to your writeup Tim and noticed you picked up on that too.
There are no two bigger Judas Priest fans than Kai and Weiki.
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When you listen through the discography, it feels like they keep getting heavier. At least to me it does.
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When you listen through the discography, it feels like they keep getting heavier. At least to me it does.
It feels that way, and I think there's 2 main reasons for this..
1. Their 70's stuff has a latent heaviness that the production just doesn't capture. The riffs and badassness are both there. Les Binks' drumming was metal for sure. If those albums were recorded in 1984, or 1991, or 2004, those albums would jump out of the speakers.
2. Going from Dave Holland to Scott Travis opens up an entire musical landscape. In the 80's, they chased the trends a bit. With Painkiller, they basically said we're going back to who we are, and a Binks/Hill to Travis/Hill backline has way more fluidity. It helps you realize just how heavy they actually were in the 70's.
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In the 80's, they chased the trends a bit. With Painkiller, they basically said we're going back to who we are
While I absolutely love to death Painkiller and it's my favorite Priest album, wasn't that as well a trend chasing, in this case Pantera?
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In the 80's, they chased the trends a bit. With Painkiller, they basically said we're going back to who we are
While I absolutely love to death Painkiller and it's my favorite Priest album, wasn't that as well a trend chasing, in this case Pantera?
The trend they were chasing wasn't Pantera. Cowboys came out the same year as Painkiller.
I think what they were chasing was twofold...I think they became kind of cartoony with Turbo and Ram It Down, and they wanted to get back to Defenders style metal, and if there was a trend they were chasing, I think it had more to do with the thrash scene that had exploded in the late 80's. Suddenly Priest found themselves ...um..not so heavy. I mean, they took out Megadeth and Testament for that tour. What fan base were they going for?
I think Fight may have been Pantera influenced though.
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Yeah, you're probably right. Priest "chased" thrash metal and eventually Rob Halford got inspired by Pantera when going solo.
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When you listen through the discography, it feels like they keep getting heavier. At least to me it does.
It feels that way, and I think there's 2 main reasons for this..
1. Their 70's stuff has a latent heaviness that the production just doesn't capture. The riffs and badassness are both there. Les Binks' drumming was metal for sure. If those albums were recorded in 1984, or 1991, or 2004, those albums would jump out of the speakers.
2. Going from Dave Holland to Scott Travis opens up an entire musical landscape. In the 80's, they chased the trends a bit. With Painkiller, they basically said we're going back to who we are, and a Binks/Hill to Travis/Hill backline has way more fluidity. It helps you realize just how heavy they actually were in the 70's.
See, no surprise, but even though I'm aware that KK and Rob have indicated Point Of Entry was a stab at radio, I think they did more chasing from Turbo on than up to Turbo. I think Screaming, for example, is probably as pure a Priest album as there is. Full on metal - Devil's Child, Screaming... - mid-tempo rock and roll - Riding On The Wind, Pain and Pleasure - radio-friendly stuff - You've Got Another Thing Coming - and ballads - Fever, Chains. I felt the 70's albums were the band searching for their place, and as such there's not as much of the "mettle (because that's how Rob pronounces it) maniacs!" nonsense that I know I got a little tired of later on. I absolutely LOVE the Priest ballads (Last Rose, Evening Star, When The Night Comes Down); I think they are such good songwriters, and as they narrowed their focus to be "METTLE!" all the time, that took away some of that.
There's also a sort of subset of Priest songs that I don't like; Heroes End, Evil Fantasies; I don't know how to put into words what I don't like about them, but I know it when I hear it. I think it's mainly Rob's vocals; in these songs (and there are others) his delivery becomes a shade show-tune-y for me. Even though I don't like these types of songs, they started to move away from them post-Screaming, and that make the records a little more one-dimensional for me (up to the most recent ones; there was at least one good ballad on Redeemer.
If I had to pick an "era", based on drummer, I would absolutely take the Dave Holland era. Not even close; even though the Les Binks era is good, it also has Killing Machine, which is an okay record.
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Another big factor in Priest getting heavier over the years was the guitar sound. More specifically the utilization of continuing developments in amplifiers, pedals, and pickup technology. Sometimes you can coordinate the changes in guitar tone to the release of new Marshall amps. I felt they went too far in the 90s when the guitar tone got over saturated with gain and lost some clarity. It just got muddy and over saturated. Ritchie Faulkner’s tone on Firepower is fucking killer. Right amount of gain and heaviness, but it has clarity, definition and punch. And great production sure helps.
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Due to this topic, I decided to take an honest look at Poin of Entry. Much better than I expected. It's a little strange that Judas was channeling AC / DC and ZZ Top, but there's a lot of good songs here and Heading Out..., Hot Rocking and Desert Plains (yes, the drumming on it is really cool) are great. And I think that side 2 is not bad at all.
The remaster has also Thunder Road, which I think it's a nice addition.
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I still like Don't Go. It's hard to remove wonderful first impressions from a 13 y/o's music soul. Is it one of their best tunes? No, but it's personal to me and my memories of going to my grandmother's house to watch MTV.
I sorta have the same feelings about Heading out to the Highway. We didn't get cable and MTV until after SFV was released, so I had the YGATC video in addition to the three from Point of Entry as my gateway into Priest. The HOTTH video was just cool. I always loved Dave's fills right before the versed. Are they anything technically great? No, but they fit perfectly. And the scenes in the middle of nowhere with Glenn and KK drag racing clearly establish that "these three guys are the important ones, and those two are not." It's also one of those things where you look back now and laugh and say, "how did we not know this guy was gay?"
When you listen through the discography, it feels like they keep getting heavier. At least to me it does.
It feels that way, and I think there's 2 main reasons for this..
1. Their 70's stuff has a latent heaviness that the production just doesn't capture. The riffs and badassness are both there. Les Binks' drumming was metal for sure. If those albums were recorded in 1984, or 1991, or 2004, those albums would jump out of the speakers.
For sure. This is why so many people talk about the songs on Unleashed and say things like: Tyrant is just kind of a middling song on Sad Wings, but the live version on unleashed rips the place apart! You can even hear a pretty cool Ian Hil bass line under the final tandem guitar solo.
In the 80's, they chased the trends a bit. With Painkiller, they basically said we're going back to who we are
While I absolutely love to death Painkiller and it's my favorite Priest album, wasn't that as well a trend chasing, in this case Pantera?
The trend they were chasing wasn't Pantera. Cowboys came out the same year as Painkiller.
I think what they were chasing was twofold...I think they became kind of cartoony with Turbo and Ram It Down, and they wanted to get back to Defenders style metal, and if there was a trend they were chasing, I think it had more to do with the thrash scene that had exploded in the late 80's. Suddenly Priest found themselves ...um..not so heavy. I mean, they took out Megadeth and Testament for that tour. What fan base were they going for?
I couldn't agree more. I had never heard of Pantera when Painkiller came out. I know a lot of folks are down on Ram It Down, but for me, THAT was the return to form after Turbo. I can distinctly recall my friends and I being super excited with that opening scream on the title track followed by that opening riff. But Painkiller took everything to the next level. I had no idea who Scott Travis was, but for the first time, the drums were a stand out instrument in Priest music.
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This is for El Barto if he's reading: Did you see Priest on the Fuel For Life tour in '86? I'm watching the "Priest... Live" DVD (the "Electric Eye" version, which has one or two more songs, but still skips "Victim Of Changes") which was filmed in Dallas (the album is I think taken from four different shows). Halford sounds REALLY good, and I'm wondering how much post-production work was done, if you get my drift.
Sorry if this is mean, but KK Downing looks ridiculous in that video. He looks like a cross between Tawny Kitaen (RIP) and a parody of every metal guitar player ever. It's interesting; I haven't seen Priest in person lately, but in the video, it seems as if Tipton is doing a LOT of the heavy lifting.
Wasn't reading, but saw somebody quote it on the last page. I was there, 7th row. I honestly couldn't tell you how much of it's real, I wasn't hugely into their older stuff by that point and I thought Turbo sucked balls, but my guess would be very little. Priest is no stranger to doctoring up their live recordings, and Live! was absurdly polished. The only thing I really remember was that Sentinel was fantastic, which is certainly what the video shows.
Interesting trivia: All of it was filmed here at the late Reunion Arena, except for a handful shots. Dallas prohibited indoor pyrotechnics, so any scenes with explosions or flames were fills taken at the Houston show (in what is now a megachurch).
Are you in there anywhere? Some cute girls are shown, though if I'm being honest, it's kind of tame by those standards (compare to any Kiss video where the front three rows are apparently populated by the Vivid Girls).
I saw the "Screaming..." tour, and while I really only remember Maiden (I can't even put into words how blown away I was), I do remember - vaguely - thinking "WOW can Rob Halford sing". So he must have done at least some of it live. I do remember "wow, ECHO", so maybe he had more help than I noticed. Everything else I remember is from the Live Vengeance video, since that was pretty much the same show I saw.
Nah, I was nowhere to be found. I probably went frame by frame back when the thing first came out (on VHS, or course), but mostly the crowd behind the first couple of rows is a blur. And I certainly left the show with the distinct impression that Rob was a badass, but there's a pretty big difference between sounding killer live and sounding flawless on a live album. I wouldn't even hazard a guess as to where the line was.
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I'm a bit behind but moving onto Stained Class today. :metal
Always said Sin was my fav 70's Priest album but Sad Wings can match it. Incredible, never really realized that before, strange.
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If nobody has any objections, I'll continue my Judas Priest deep dive.
I'm going to skip Screaming and Defenders as I am well versed in those.
I have literally not heard Turbo in its entirety in 35 years. I borrowed the tape from a friend and thought it blew.
I'll start with that one, as I listened this morning.
I might have heard Ram It Down when it came out. I used to play the title track on my college radio show. I think I dropped the needle on the rest of it. Not impressed.
Other than Painkiller and Firepower, I have not heard any of the latter day Priest albums, other than a song here or there, and I think even those are rare.
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Turbo and Ram it down are the only halford era albums I haven't really dived into. Love Blood Red Skies though
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Hard As Iron is an excellent song imo. Ram It Down has a few killer songs.
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Also an honorable mention for Thunder Road that was replaced by Johnny B. Goode on the album. Also Heart of a Lion which Im sad never made it past the demo phase as a priest song.
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Turbo and Ram It Down are the younger siblings of Point of Entry: really choppy and inconsistent, but with a few amazing highs.
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The HOTTH video was just cool. I always loved Dave's fills right before the versed. Are they anything technically great? No, but they fit perfectly. And the scenes in the middle of nowhere with Glenn and KK drag racing clearly establish that "these three guys are the important ones, and those two are not." It's also one of those things where you look back now and laugh and say, "how did we not know this guy was gay?"
:lol
I watched the video last night for the first time in years. I agree.
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The HOTTH video was just cool. I always loved Dave's fills right before the versed. Are they anything technically great? No, but they fit perfectly. And the scenes in the middle of nowhere with Glenn and KK drag racing clearly establish that "these three guys are the important ones, and those two are not." It's also one of those things where you look back now and laugh and say, "how did we not know this guy was gay?"
:lol
I watched the video last night for the first time in years. I agree.
Same as the Locked In video. Rob is the main character who needs saving, and Glenn and Ken are his rescuers. Ian and Dave are the plebs that wait in the carpark to pick them up! :lol
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I'm a bit behind but moving onto Stained Class today. :metal
Always said Sin was my fav 70's Priest album but Sad Wings can match it. Incredible, never really realized that before, strange.
Sad Wings is a game changer for 1976.
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The HOTTH video was just cool. I always loved Dave's fills right before the versed. Are they anything technically great? No, but they fit perfectly. And the scenes in the middle of nowhere with Glenn and KK drag racing clearly establish that "these three guys are the important ones, and those two are not." It's also one of those things where you look back now and laugh and say, "how did we not know this guy was gay?"
:lol
I watched the video last night for the first time in years. I agree.
Same as the Locked In video. Rob is the main character who needs saving, and Glenn and Ken are his rescuers. Ian and Dave are the plebs that wait in the carpark to pick them up! :lol
How "Hot Rockin'" wasn't Priest's version of "Rock Me Tonite", I'll never know.
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I know the discussion has been all over the place recently and I'd hate to add to the "confusion", but for some reason, I felt like spinning Jugulator today. Catherdral spires and the title track are still brilliant. I also like Burn in hell quite a bit.
The rest is so and so, but I am aware why the album does have its fans. It truly is heavy and menacing. :metal
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Burn in Hell has an amazing buildup and it's indeed one of the best songs there.
Like Load and Reload, this is probably a situation where an album with the best songs off Jugulator and Demolition would have been better received.
Something like:
1. Jugulator
2. One on One
3. Blood Stained
4. Close to You
5. Burn in Hell
6. Feed on Me
7. Death Row
8. Hell Is Home
9. Abductors
10. Lost and Found
11. Metal Messiah
12. Cathedral Spires
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I have literally not heard Turbo in its entirety in 35 years. I borrowed the tape from a friend and thought it blew.
It's probably the only album by a favorite band that I didn't replace on CD when I tossed my remaining vinyl in the trash in 97/98, and I probably hadn't dropped the needle on it in 10 years before that. Looking at the track list, side 1 is at least memorable (which doesn't mean good, but I can at least remember how the choruses sound). Can't remember a damn thing about any of the side 2 songs. I did re-buy Priest...Live on CD, and that has 4/5 side 1 songs plus Out in the Cold. Probably haven't listened to that in 30 years or so.
Hard As Iron is an excellent song imo. Ram It Down has a few killer songs.
Ram It Down is such a Jeckyll and Hyde album. The title track, Hard as Iron, Blood Red Skies and I'm a Rocker are as good as anything they've ever done. Heavy Metal, Love Zone, Johnny B. Goode and Love you to death are on par with songs on Turbo. I honestly can't remember Love Zone, but the title makes me cringe. Monsters of Rock is in the same vein as Heavy Duty from Defenders. It's ok.
The HOTTH video was just cool. I always loved Dave's fills right before the versed. Are they anything technically great? No, but they fit perfectly. And the scenes in the middle of nowhere with Glenn and KK drag racing clearly establish that "these three guys are the important ones, and those two are not." It's also one of those things where you look back now and laugh and say, "how did we not know this guy was gay?"
:lol
I watched the video last night for the first time in years. I agree.
Same as the Locked In video. Rob is the main character who needs saving, and Glenn and Ken are his rescuers. Ian and Dave are the plebs that wait in the carpark to pick them up! :lol
That whole dynamic is just hilarious.
How "Hot Rockin'" wasn't Priest's version of "Rock Me Tonite", I'll never know.
What's "Rock Me Tonite"?
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How "Hot Rockin'" wasn't Priest's version of "Rock Me Tonite", I'll never know.
What's "Rock Me Tonite"?
The infamous video by Billy Squier in 1984 (https://youtu.be/fR0j7sModCI), directed by Kenny "High School Musical" Ortega that allegedly - at least he thinks so (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Me_Tonite) - killed his career. It's hard to argue with him; that album - Signs Of Life - is excellent, but even though he continued to put out good records, he couldn't steal a hit.
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What's "Rock Me Tonite"?
You're playing my side of the street.
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Oh, man, that video :rollin
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What's "Rock Me Tonite"?
You're playing my side of the street.
Dude...we all know I've lived there a while.
How "Hot Rockin'" wasn't Priest's version of "Rock Me Tonite", I'll never know.
What's "Rock Me Tonite"?
The infamous video by Billy Squier in 1984 (https://youtu.be/fR0j7sModCI), directed by Kenny "High School Musical" Ortega that allegedly - at least he thinks so (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Me_Tonite) - killed his career. It's hard to argue with him; that album - Signs Of Life - is excellent, but even though he continued to put out good records, he couldn't steal a hit.
Ahh...I know it well, but the song title didn't click with me. I guess the biggest difference is that Priest wasn't as huge as Billy when Hot Rockin' was released, and Hot Rockin' didn't get nearly the level of airplay as RMT. I suspect that, if they'd done Hot Rockin' after SFV and the You've Got Another Thing Coming video, the result might have been similar.
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Turbo
OK..in 1986, I liked Judas Priest. I had Hell Bent through Defenders, and I liked them well enough. They weren't a favorite band, but whatever. When Turbo came out, I borrowed a copy of it from a friend of mine. It was a significant step down from anything else they did. My memory was that the songs were way too simple, and they tried to be a hair metal band. There was simply no metal.
Oddly, my ears almost fell off of my head when I heard the first few notes of Caught Somewhere In Time, but thankfully Maiden still made a good album., but let's face it..both bands introduced synthesizers in the same year.
I saw Judas Priest, with Dokken opening, on June 4, 1986 at the Providence Civic Center. It was a few days after my high school graduation.
I remember really liking the show. I wasn't keen on the new tracks, but we had good seats by the side of the stage on KK's side, and I got down to the floor towards the end of the show.
Anyway, yesterday, I listened to Turbo in its entirety for the first time in literally almost 35 years.
I actually think Turbo Lover is a great tune...but this studio version simply does not do it justice. The Priest Live version is so much better, but the 2012 live version is amazing. But back to the studio version..the song has a great build and rhythm to it. But the breakdown at 3:24, which is so incredible on the 2012 show, sounds like Duran Duran on the studio version. But that's a nice solo that brings us out of it. Even though the album blows, I've always respected the title track.
I must say, I do find the lyrics to Locked In a bit icky. I remember this as the single. I barely remember the video. I don't love the song at all, but the solos are nice. I like the rising rhythm under the solo at the 2:50 mark.
For some reason, I think I kind of liked Private Property. I remember having a band with my friends and I thought that would be a great name. Listening again..the song is extremely meh by any measurement, but for Priest, it's pretty low. When that solo begins at 2:54, I immediately think of Tommy McClendon on UFO's Misdemeanor which was released a few months earlier.
Parental Guidance..the song blows, the lyrics are fucking childish. Give me a break. You're Judas fucking Priest. You don't need songs with lyrics this shitty.
Rock You All Around The World is pretty cheesy and cliché ridden. not a good track.
I think Out In The Cold is a pretty decent tune on its own. The Turbo production really kills it though, and the Priest Live version doesn't really do the song, the actual song, justice. And it was obviously a terrible opener. I found a 2019 live video of it, and it's really freaking cool. Sometimes when judging an album like Turbo, sometimes you have to look through all sorts of distractions (Productions, etc.._) to get to the root of the song. And this is a good one.
I have zero memory of these last three songs...
Wild Nights, Hot & Crazy Days seems to be Judas Priest's answer to Summertime Girls. Except Y&T's song seemed a little more sincere, if that's possible. This song is embarrassing for a band like Judas Priest.
And speaking of embarrassing, Hot For Love? Are you fucking kidding me??
OK, but then comes Reckless. How did this awesome tune make the album. It doesn't even sound like the same sessions. Now THIS is Judas Priest. The bridge is a little cheesy, but that's OK. The melodic solo that follows it makes me forget all about it. Nice solid track.
Apparently there's a bonus track All Fired Up. I have no idea how it didn't make the album. There's 5 or 6 songs that totally suck on this album, and this would've been better than all of them. And honestly, it's not even that great. That solo certainly needed some more work.
Oh, and we cannot talk about the Turbo Era without mentioning Heavy Metal Parking Lot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBryTebK2Og)
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Reckless :metal
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Reckless :metal
I felt like it was the first time hearing it. It's solid, but after the shitshow it follows, it feels like a damn classic.
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And it could have became a true classic, had they offered the song for a movie, something about pilots flying, a guy named Tom was involved or whatever, it's not that the movie was THAT famous anyway....
;D
Yeah, true story, Top Gun wanted to use Reckless in the movie, but they didn't want to take it off the album.
When the movie became a hit, they learned their lesson, and for the next album they covered Johnny B. Goode which ended up in a movie that......... everyone quickly forgot about. Priest and movies wasn't meant to be evidently :D
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Turbo is a great album and the lyrics Parental Guidance are about the PMRC who at the time where trying to censor Metal.
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Parental Guidance..the song blows, the lyrics are fucking childish. Give me a break. You're Judas fucking Priest. You don't need songs with lyrics this shitty.
I literally LOL'd at this. And the funny thing is they'd have been right at home on Twisted Sister's Stay Hungry (or whatever the abomination was that they released as a follow up).
Oh, and we cannot talk about the Turbo Era without mentioning Heavy Metal Parking Lot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBryTebK2Og)
19 days after I saw them on the same tour. In fact, I'd have sworn that this video was shot at the LA Sports Arena rather than the Cap Centre in Maryland. Dokken opened and, four months later, was headlining. The opener was Great White, who had opened for Priest on the Defenders tour.
I'll have to give Reckless a listen. It's been at least 30 years, I'm sure.
Yeah, true story, Top Gun wanted to use Reckless in the movie, but they didn't want to take it off the album.
When the movie became a hit, they learned their lesson, and for the next album they covered Johnny B. Goode which ended up in a movie that......... everyone quickly forgot about. Priest and movies wasn't meant to be evidently :D
Johnny B. Good (no "e" at the end) was an Anthony Michael Hall movie that, according to Wikipedia, "was a box office bomb. It also received negative reviews. At review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes, as of April 2020, Johnny Be Good had a 0% rating, based on 15 reviews, with an average score of 2.33/10. On Metacritic the film has a weighted average score of 10 out of 100, based on 8 critics, indicating 'Overwhelming dislike.'" :lol
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Im ripping Firepower onto my Brennan 2 as I type this
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And it could have became a true classic, had they offered the song for a movie, something about pilots flying, a guy named Tom was involved or whatever, it's not that the movie was THAT famous anyway....
;D
Yeah, true story, Top Gun wanted to use Reckless in the movie, but they didn't want to take it off the album.
When the movie became a hit, they learned their lesson, and for the next album they covered Johnny B. Good which ended up in a movie that......... everyone quickly forgot about. Priest and movies wasn't meant to be evidently :D
Is that true? I didn't know that. I'm getting to Ram It Down, their cover of Jonny B. Goode blows chunks. And they were so clever in what songs they covered in the 70's.
Turbo is a great album and the lyrics Parental Guidance are about the PMRC who at the time where trying to censor Metal.
Turbo is a great album?? I hate to go all WildRanger on you but....that's not true! :lol
Seriously, where would you rank it? I'm interested in what you put below it.
That makes sense about the PMRC and the lyrics. Still, that's no excuse. Megadeth gave us Hook In Mouth, and Judas Priest gave us...Parental Guidance? :facepalm: :lol
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I've never heard the Top Gun thing either. I really enjoy Turbo but as I've said before, I didn't grow up as these albums came out so I could discover each album on its own merit. Being partial to classic 80's stuff, while some of Turbo is pretty cringeworthy, I enjoy most of it.
Reckless is amazing and Lord did a great cover on the cover album they just released;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm3m6AYEvd0
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I know we're going all over the place but I've been through Stained Class again and my feelings are the same as they have always been. I find the album pretty hit and miss and not up to the standard as the two before it. the only songs I really enjoy are Exciter, the title track, BTROD and to a lesser extent WH, RH. Everything else is fine, but I feel there's something missing from a lot of these tracks, it's hard to pinpoint.
Hell Bent today.
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Reckless is amazing and Lord did a great cover on the cover album they just released;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm3m6AYEvd0
Ooh..that's nice! :metal
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Reckless is amazing and Lord did a great cover on the cover album they just released;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm3m6AYEvd0
Ooh..that's nice! :metal
They do some of the best covers out there.
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I remember buying Turbo on cassette when it came out and played it to death.
Most of the songs have stood the test of time for me, some dodgy lyrics yes, but was at Halford at rock bottom with drugs/booze.
The Top Gun thing was in Halford's book where he makes mention of it.
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I'm interested in Halford's autobiography. Would you recommend it?
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If your into JP and don't mind some of lurid tales of Halford's sexual experiences, it's a great book that I read almost in one go, it was that compelling.
Has some hilarious stories and also what lengths he went to hide his sexuality back in the day.
Highly recommended.
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Sounds like a good read. I'm interested to hear his tale. As opposed to the the blowhard Bruce Dickinson's book.
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I know we're going all over the place but I've been through Stained Class again and my feelings are the same as they have always been. I find the album pretty hit and miss and not up to the standard as the two before it. the only songs I really enjoy are Exciter, the title track, BTROD and to a lesser extent WH, RH. Everything else is fine, but I feel there's something missing from a lot of these tracks, it's hard to pinpoint.
I totally get what you're saying. But Saints In Hell is heavy as shit, musically and lyrically.
Underrated track.
Fates Warning did a real nice cover of it. Ray Alder :hefdaddy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqMEJzhzK0M
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I know we're going all over the place but I've been through Stained Class again and my feelings are the same as they have always been. I find the album pretty hit and miss and not up to the standard as the two before it. the only songs I really enjoy are Exciter, the title track, BTROD and to a lesser extent WH, RH. Everything else is fine, but I feel there's something missing from a lot of these tracks, it's hard to pinpoint.
I totally get what you're saying. But Saints In Hell is heavy as shit, musically and lyrically.
Underrated track.
Fates Warning did a real nice cover of it. Ray Alder :hefdaddy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqMEJzhzK0M
Yeah, that one was almost up there, I'll need to relisten I think.
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This is cool shit diving back into all these old albums too. Fuck I love this band. :metal
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This is cool shit diving back into all these old albums too.
An unofficial Judas Priest Listening Party! :metal :metal
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Sounds like a good read. I'm interested to hear his tale. As opposed to the the blowhard Bruce Dickinson's book.
Oh Bruce's book was so boring, Halford's book is so superior I can't even put it into words just how much better it is.
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This is cool shit diving back into all these old albums too.
An unofficial Judas Priest Listening Party! :metal :metal
Pretty much. :metal
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First thing that pops out at me on Hell Bent is the wonderful guitar tones. The rhythm guitars sound so strong and crunchy, really good shit.
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The production does seem to take a step forward.
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And it could have became a true classic, had they offered the song for a movie, something about pilots flying, a guy named Tom was involved or whatever, it's not that the movie was THAT famous anyway....
;D
Yeah, true story, Top Gun wanted to use Reckless in the movie, but they didn't want to take it off the album.
When the movie became a hit, they learned their lesson, and for the next album they covered Johnny B. Good which ended up in a movie that......... everyone quickly forgot about. Priest and movies wasn't meant to be evidently :D
Is that true? I didn't know that. I'm getting to Ram It Down, their cover of Jonny B. Goode blows chunks. And they were so clever in what songs they covered in the 70's.
Turbo is a great album and the lyrics Parental Guidance are about the PMRC who at the time where trying to censor Metal.
Turbo is a great album?? I hate to go all WildRanger on you but....that's not true! :lol
Seriously, where would you rank it? I'm interested in what you put below it.
That makes sense about the PMRC and the lyrics. Still, that's no excuse. Megadeth gave us Hook In Mouth, and Judas Priest gave us...Parental Guidance? :facepalm: :lol
yea johnny b good does suck .. so bad
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The PMRC were particularly irate with Eat Me Alive. Particularly the line “I’m gonna force you at gunpoint....to eat me alive.”
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Is that an actual line in the song? Yikes!
(https://tyrannyoftradition.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/tipper-gore-pointing-finger.jpg?w=620)
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The production does seem to take a step forward.
It's a bit of a mixed bag, but in a good way. Seems like Priest have always moved with the times. Seems this one fits right in the late 70's vibe going around.
The title track (HBFL) is an absolute banger. Burnin' Up is nice and something different and Running Wild is classic. I'm partial to Rock Forever also. Evening Star was better than I remembered too. Cool listen and yeah, it sounds wonderful.
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The PMRC were particularly irate with Eat Me Alive. Particularly the line “I’m gonna force you at gunpoint....to eat me alive.”
The 'spread eagle to the wall' line always got me too. :lol
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The PMRC were particularly irate with Eat Me Alive. Particularly the line “I’m gonna force you at gunpoint....to eat me alive.”
The 'spread eagle to the wall' line always got me too. :lol
Apparently it should've been Al Gore and NOT Tipper to take offence. ;D
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The production does seem to take a step forward.
It's a bit of a mixed bag, but in a good way. Seems like Priest have always moved with the times. Seems this one fits right in the late 70's vibe going around.
The title track (HBFL) is an absolute banger. Burnin' Up is nice and something different and Running Wild is classic. I'm partial to Rock Forever also. Evening Star was better than I remembered too. Cool listen and yeah, it sounds wonderful.
Unleashed is so great, and Hell Bent was the only 70's Priest album I got when I was a kid. My impression THEN was that it was pretty underwhelming. Up until the other day, I honestly couldn't tell you the last time I listened to it, but it was likely sometime in the 80's. I really did enjoy it, although I do rank it after Sad Wings, Sin After Sin, and Stained Class.
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Not sure if I'd rate it higher than Stained Class, mainly just because of BTROD, but if I were to pick one out to listen to, it's probably HBFL.
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It sounds a lot cleaner than Stained Class, and British Steel seems to build on it.
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The PMRC were particularly irate with Eat Me Alive. Particularly the line “I’m gonna force you at gunpoint....to eat me alive.”
The 'spread eagle to the wall' line always got me too. :lol
Eat Me Alive was one of the only songs that Halford wrote while under the influence which is why it was much more ummm direct than usual lol
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It sounds a lot cleaner than Stained Class, and British Steel seems to build on it.
British Steel is up next. We'll see if my opinion has changed on this one.
It's funny, for a band I love so much, I do find a number of their albums somewhat underwhelming. Never thought about that before.
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I'm up to Turbo and Ram it Down. Listened to both.
Back in the day.....
I remember listening to Turbo several times over.
I don't think I ever made it all the way through Ram It Down.
That is when my love affair with Priest ended. Now it has been rekindled with Firepower.
Today.....
I found with my 30 yrs later listens this week:
I liked Turbo less than I remembered. I liked Ram It Down more than I remembered.
Neither have aged particularly well. They seem very dated.
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I'm up to Turbo and Ram it Down. Listened to both.
Back in the day.....
I remember listening to Turbo several times over.
I don't think I ever made it all the way through Ram It Down.
That is when my love affair with Priest ended. Now it has been rekindled with Firepower.
Today.....
I found with my 30 yrs later listens this week:
I liked Turbo less than I remembered. I liked Ram It Down more than I remembered.
Neither have aged particularly well. They seem very dated.
Both are indeed very dated.
Painkiller?
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I'm up to Turbo and Ram it Down. Listened to both.
Back in the day.....
I remember listening to Turbo several times over.
I don't think I ever made it all the way through Ram It Down.
That is when my love affair with Priest ended. Now it has been rekindled with Firepower.
Today.....
I found with my 30 yrs later listens this week:
I liked Turbo less than I remembered. I liked Ram It Down more than I remembered.
Neither have aged particularly well. They seem very dated.
Both are indeed very dated.
Painkiller?
No thank you...trying to quit.
But seriously......Painkiller is next.
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If your into JP and don't mind some of lurid tales of Halford's sexual experiences, it's a great book that I read almost in one go, it was that compelling.
Has some hilarious stories and also what lengths he went to hide his sexuality back in the day..
(https://www.nydailynews.com/resizer/l4wiBcq_buyVUTw9sJ_X77GTvik=/1200x0/top/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/ULKLH7W6ZCS5M3GWCY2QWR57HU.jpg)
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If your into JP and don't mind some of lurid tales of Halford's sexual experiences, it's a great book that I read almost in one go, it was that compelling.
Has some hilarious stories and also what lengths he went to hide his sexuality back in the day..
(https://www.nydailynews.com/resizer/l4wiBcq_buyVUTw9sJ_X77GTvik=/1200x0/top/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/ULKLH7W6ZCS5M3GWCY2QWR57HU.jpg)
(https://www.morrisonhotelgallery.com/images/big/warhol239.jpg)
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And all the pressure that's been building up
For all the years it bore the load
The cracks appear, the frame starts to distort
It's ready to explode
Jawbreaker
:zydar:
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Ah yeah, the blowjob song disguised as a monster one :D
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It sounds a lot cleaner than Stained Class, and British Steel seems to build on it.
British Steel is up next. We'll see if my opinion has changed on this one.
It's funny, for a band I love so much, I do find a number of their albums somewhat underwhelming. Never thought about that before.
That's kind of me, too. There was a time I LOVED Priest, and I fell out with the comic books that were the albums from Turbo on. But even going back... there's a lot of stuff I would skip. I'd be surprised if I liked even half of HBFL.
Of the 70's albums:
Stained Class
Sin After Sin/Rocka Rolla
Sad Wings Of Destiny
British Steel
Hell Bent For Lather
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That makes sense about the PMRC and the lyrics. Still, that's no excuse. Megadeth gave us Hook In Mouth, and Judas Priest gave us...Parental Guidance? :facepalm: :lol
Yeah...that it was an attack on the PMRC is no excuse. Rob has never been Neil Peart, but there are 1000s of more clever ways to do that.
This is cool shit diving back into all these old albums too.
An unofficial Judas Priest Listening Party! :metal :metal
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The PMRC were particularly irate with Eat Me Alive. Particularly the line “I’m gonna force you at gunpoint....to eat me alive.”
Is that an actual line in the song? Yikes!
Oh yes. I remember one of my sisters expressing concern to me about Judas Priest and, in particular, a song about a guy forcing a woman to perform oral sex. I think I responded with a "huh?" and was naive enough at the time for it to have been genuine. You read stories about record companies having kept certain songs off albums, and one like Eat Me Alive gets through.
I need to go back and revisit Stained Glass and Killing Machine/Hell Bent for Leather. Looking at the track lists, there's not a lot I recognize beyond Exciter, White Heat and BTROD. Hell Bent, on the other hand, has a bunch of really good to great songs. Delivering the Goods, Hell Bent, Take on the Word (i.e., United before United was written), Burnin' Up, Green Manalishi and Running Wild.
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The biggest mis-step/mistake that Priest made in their career?
One that far outweighs any other, both musically and non-music?
KK's perm.
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The biggest mis-step/mistake that Priest made in their career?
One that far outweighs any other, both musically and non-music?
KK's perm.
:lol :lol
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The biggest mis-step/mistake that Priest made in their career?
One that far outweighs any other, both musically and non-music?
KK's perm.
I'll second that. And he made it worse with the sunglasses (at least in the Priest...Live video).
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The biggest mis-step/mistake that Priest made in their career?
One that far outweighs any other, both musically and non-music?
KK's perm.
I'll second that. And he made it worse with the sunglasses (at least in the Priest...Live video).
Lol, yeah those sunnies were absolutely ridiculous!
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The biggest mis-step/mistake that Priest made in their career?
One that far outweighs any other, both musically and non-music?
KK's perm.
I'll second that. And he made it worse with the sunglasses (at least in the Priest...Live video).
Lol, yeah those sunnies were absolutely ridiculous!
Abandoning the Flying V for the Hamer didn't help either.
(https://2fast2die.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/KK-Downing.jpg)
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June 4, 1986
Providence Civic Center
(https://i.imgur.com/7mL0aOb.jpg)
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June 4, 1986
Providence Civic Center
(https://i.imgur.com/7mL0aOb.jpg)
Those boots....
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...are not made for walking.
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Kade, this one's for you!!
(https://i.imgur.com/in2Y9qt.jpg)
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Still reeling from the shock of learning there are JP fans that didn’t know the lyrics to Eat Me Alive.
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Still reeling from the shock of learning there are JP fans that didn’t know the lyrics to Eat Me Alive.
Let's be honest, it's the worst song on an amazing album. I saw it played live and they played it only because it was a rarity and it was never played live, but lyrics aside, that's actually the last song I need to hear from Defenders.
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Still reeling from the shock of learning there are JP fans that didn’t know the lyrics to Eat Me Alive.
Let's be honest, it's the worst song on an amazing album. I saw it played live and they played it only because it was a rarity and it was never played live, but lyrics aside, that's actually the last song I need to hear from Defenders.
The title track is by far the worst song on the album.
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Heavy Duty / Defenders of the Faith is a cool combo, cheesy and simple but it's also anthemic, I guess when you hear it live it's cool to sing along we areeeee defenders of the faiiiiith.....
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Eat Me Alive isn't a standout, but I like it. Fun song if you just wanna rock out a little.
Regarding the chatter about Hell Bent..., I like it, but would certainly agree that all of the other 70's studio albums are better. The whole record is good, but while I like a few songs quite a bit (Burnin' Up and Before the Dawn), there isn't anything on there I would consider a top tier, or even second tier, Priest tune.
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I guess I’m just surprised because of how notorious it came to be in the 80s. It was all over the news for being a part of the “filthy 15“. (for those of you too young to remember, the filthy 15 was a list of songs put together by the PMRC that they wanted to show as prime examples of how debased modern music had become... and, of course, nearly every single artist on the list experienced a popularity boost from being featured on the list. LOL)
As for the song itself, I think it’s an extremely strong track. Not the best song on DOTF, but much better than several songs from SFV.
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I WAS around at that time, and honestly I thought all of that was a fucking joke even then. I didn't pay any attention to any of it. I didn't think "YAY! METAL!" when Dee Snider testified, I thought "why pander to this nonsense?" When they called out "Darling Nikki" for the masturbation reference - something I had been doing at an Olympic level for a couple years at that point ;) - and when "Jazz From Hell" (AN INSTRUMENTAL RECORD) was included by others as a problem, I tuned the fuck out. The "Dirty 15" meant nothing to me.
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I WAS around at that time, and honestly I thought all of that was a fucking joke even then. I didn't pay any attention to any of it. I didn't think "YAY! METAL!" when Dee Snider testified, I thought "why pander to this nonsense?" When they called out "Darling Nikki" for the masturbation reference - something I had been doing at an Olympic level for a couple years at that point ;) - and when "Jazz From Hell" (AN INSTRUMENTAL RECORD) was included by others as a problem, I tuned the fuck out. The "Dirty 15" meant nothing to me.
Weird, because *at that time* I felt very passionate about defending music from what they were attempting to do. And I think most people were a bit surprised when Dee turned out to be more intelligent and articulate than they anticipated. Frank Zappa especially shined at those hearings.
But of course, back then I didn’t understand the circus, and legitimately felt threatened by what the PMRC was trying to do. Which all seems rather stupid now. :lol
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OK, here's my thought at the time. I had to check the date of the hearings...September 19, 1985..Three days before I turned 17.
I honestly never understood the horror of putting warnings on albums. We rated movies already.
My impressions of Zappa and Snider were that Zappa came off as a self important blowhard, and Snider looked like a fucking clown.
I have zero recollection of The Filthy 15 or whatever.
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OK, here's my thought at the time. I had to check the date of the hearings...September 19, 1985..Three days before I turned 17.
I honestly never understood the horror of putting warnings on albums. We rated movies already.
My impressions of Zappa and Snider were that Zappa came off as a self important blowhard, and Snider looked like a fucking clown.
I have zero recollection of The Filthy 15 or whatever.
I think that was the point. He came in looking like...well, he came in looking like a lead singer of Twisted Sister. Because of that, they were expecting a moronic “PMRC BAD!!!” monosyllabic tirade. The contrast of what they were expecting vs. how articulate he actually was not only caught them off-guard, but also made the point of not judging someone’s intelligence level by how they look, what kind of music they like, and what they do for a living.
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I thought he looked foolish. But I really don't remember the content. It's probably on youtube.
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And the fact that John Denver joined in (everyone had been expecting the poster boy for “America and apple pie” to defend the PMRC, and instead he sided with Dee, Frank, and others) turned the whole thing into quite the 1st amendment drama.
Of course, I was not quite 16, and extremely dramatic. I’m more cynical now, but I’m just recalling what I felt at the time.
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Of course, I was not quite 16, and extremely dramatic. I’m more cynical now, but I’m just recalling what I felt at the time.
Yeah, I was a year older, but the same..just recalling what my thoughts were THEN. I honestly haven't really thought about it as an adult.
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I don't begrudge others, Ben, but for me, from Day One, I was never really a "flag" guy. Maybe because it's because I liked other music - prog, the early alternative - as much as I did rock and metal. I loved Dio in Sabbath, because the lyrics were interesting. Some of his solo stuff, the "We Rock!" stuff, lost me. I'm a huge Twisted Sister fan, but I like the first two records best. The "I Wanna Rock!" stuff was joke-y to me. I preferred Maiden over Priest, because I dug "Rime Of The Ancient Mariner" and would rather hear that than "We are! Defenders of the faith!". I thought the "Mettle Maniacs!" stuff was silly. It was later, I know, but the best part of grunge was that they were playing Sabbath, essentially, without the stupid 80's metal get-ups (it didn't take hindsight for me to feel that Kiss looked ridiculous in '84).
There are exceptions; Michael Schenker had some lyrics like that. Kiss was borderline, but there's had a slightly different flavor (except when Paul did his "stand up for what you believe in!" schtick in concert.
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The whole PMRC thing is still famous among the young metalheads that weren't even born at the time. I found out about the controversy through web articles, some songs (Parental guidance, Hook in mouth) and the movie "Warning: Parental Advisory." It was cool to learn how musicians had to stand up to the goverment in order to be able to express themselves artistically, and to this day, I sometimes watch clips based on the era. I bumped into Zappa's speech a while ago and thought it was hilarious. :lol
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British Steel - My thoughts on this one were pretty much the same. Never understood the hype with this one, but it's a very good metal album across the board. It's pretty simple as a whole, but is still a decent listen. The singles are fine enough, and catchy enough that they don't warrant skipping, but you can see what the band is going for here, which is fine. United I can take or leave and Metal Gods has always been a decent stomper. Rapid Fire and Grinder are awesome and Steeler was one I forgot about to that I enjoyed. The Rage wasn't as good as I remembered and Old to Be Wise was just solid.
Point of Entry - I really enjoy this one. I guess I'm a bit of a sucker of when Priest do something a little different. HOTTH is a brilliant track. I like the extra solos they put in live, and would have worked well in the studio. Don't Go I find quite brilliant. It's flamboyant, moody and just a really good well written track. Hot Rockin' is nice and Turning Circle is an interesting song too. Desert Plains is classic and from there it does dip in quality a little. I do like You Say Yes, that's an interesting song. All the Way is catchy too. One thing I find is the bonus tracks not representing the eras at all. Thunder Road is a bit of a banger and would have fit in well on either Turbo or RID.
SFV - Now this one was a bit better than I always had rated it. Again, I never understood the love for this one, but I kind of see why listening now. EE is of course a stormer but I really enjoyed Riding and Bloodstone more than I ever have, they were both pleasant listens. Take These Chains is again something different but was always a favourite. Love the 80's flair here and strong melodies. P&P I could do without and Another Thing Coming is fine, but I never really enjoyed that one as much as their other singles. The title track fucking rips though, holy shit!! Fever again is one I never paid much attention to but really liked it here. Devil's Child was again one I never really got blown away by. A top 3 song though is Prisoner of Your Eyes, what a song, and what a fucking brilliant Tipton solo (Even though KK makes an appearance in the second section) Criminal that this was a bonus track.
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Defenders - Top 3 Priest album, perfect metal. Not a fan of the title track, but I can forgive it. The bonus track Turn on Your Light is wonderful. Rock Hard and Heads are two tracks that would make it high on my top Priest list. Two very underrated songs. Don't forget Night Comes Down, that's a cracker.
I can see why Tim would hate Turbo and why any Priest fan til that point would hate it. If I had followed the band and got Defenders, Turbo would have my puking too. As I said, I discovered the band differently so I can appreciate it. The opening two tracks are stellar. Locked In has always been one I enjoyed, love that solo section. Glenn shows his technical music skills here too. PP and PG are okay. Not great, but I can take them. RYAATW though, is shit, that chorus is so awkward. Out in the Cold again a classic and I actually really liked it as an opener on that tour. Great brooding song with a thick lovely atmosphere. Wild Nights again, I can take, whatever. Hot For Love I always liked even though it made Tim vomit haha. Some of KK's best work here and those harmonies are brilliant. Reckless I mentioned is a forgotten gem, classic stuff.
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I sort of stopped being interested in Judas Priest around the time of Turbo. I had been a fan since the release of Sad Wings of Destiny. IIRC the first Judas Priest album I ever got was Unleashed In The East on vinyl. I then immediately went and got the first two albums. I was hooked! Loved everything they released after that up to Turbo, which I despised. I still have never made it all the way through that record. I'm positive there are songs on it I've never heard. Everything they've released after that did very little to nothing for me. I don't care for Painkiller at all. And it just went downhill from there. Yesterday at the gym I decided to give Redeemer of Souls another try and found myself liking quite a bit of it. I may go back and revisit some of those albums I missed. But I have to say that Firepower is the best record they've released in probably 25 years.
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Defenders - Top 3 Priest album, perfect metal. Not a fan of the title track, but I can forgive it. The bonus track Turn on Your Light is wonderful. Rock Hard and Heads are two tracks that would make it high on my top Priest list. Two very underrated songs. Don't forget Night Comes Down, that's a cracker.
I can see why Tim would hate Turbo and why any Priest fan til that point would hate it. If I had followed the band and got Defenders, Turbo would have my puking too. As I said, I discovered the band differently so I can appreciate it. The opening two tracks are stellar. Locked In has always been one I enjoyed, love that solo section. Glenn shows his technical music skills here too. PP and PG are okay. Not great, but I can take them. RYAATW though, is shit, that chorus is so awkward. Out in the Cold again a classic and I actually really liked it as an opener on that tour. Great brooding song with a thick lovely atmosphere. Wild Nights again, I can take, whatever. Hot For Love I always liked even though it made Tim vomit haha. Some of KK's best work here and those harmonies are brilliant. Reckless I mentioned is a forgotten gem, classic stuff.
That intro is just :hefdaddy :hefdaddy. The combination of the guitar tone and the mix could not be any more perfect.
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British Steel - My thoughts on this one were pretty much the same. Never understood the hype with this one, but it's a very good metal album across the board. It's pretty simple as a whole, but is still a decent listen. The singles are fine enough, and catchy enough that they don't warrant skipping, but you can see what the band is going for here, which is fine. United I can take or leave and Metal Gods has always been a decent stomper. Rapid Fire and Grinder are awesome and Steeler was one I forgot about to that I enjoyed. The Rage wasn't as good as I remembered and Old to Be Wise was just solid.
Point of Entry - I really enjoy this one. I guess I'm a bit of a sucker of when Priest do something a little different. HOTTH is a brilliant track. I like the extra solos they put in live, and would have worked well in the studio. Don't Go I find quite brilliant. It's flamboyant, moody and just a really good well written track. Hot Rockin' is nice and Turning Circle is an interesting song too. Desert Plains is classic and from there it does dip in quality a little. I do like You Say Yes, that's an interesting song. All the Way is catchy too. One thing I find is the bonus tracks not representing the eras at all. Thunder Road is a bit of a banger and would have fit in well on either Turbo or RID.
SFV - Now this one was a bit better than I always had rated it. Again, I never understood the love for this one, but I kind of see why listening now. EE is of course a stormer but I really enjoyed Riding and Bloodstone more than I ever have, they were both pleasant listens. Take These Chains is again something different but was always a favourite. Love the 80's flair here and strong melodies. P&P I could do without and Another Thing Coming is fine, but I never really enjoyed that one as much as their other singles. The title track fucking rips though, holy shit!! Fever again is one I never paid much attention to but really liked it here. Devil's Child was again one I never really got blown away by. A top 3 song though is Prisoner of Your Eyes, what a song, and what a fucking brilliant Tipton solo (Even though KK makes an appearance in the second section) Criminal that this was a bonus track.
Why was Prisoner Of Your Eyes, recorded during the Turbo sessions, on a Screaming reissue??
Why was Thunder Road, recorded during the Ram It Down Sessions, released on a Point Of Entry reissue?
Both songs should've easily made their respective albums. I had never heard either. I listened at first thinking Prisoner was in the Screaming batch, and I was wondering why the guitars were covered by synthesizers, but now seeing it was a Turbo era track, that makes sense. There's a really good song in there.
I personally skipped SFV and DotF for this exercise but I really love Riding On The Wind. Just wanted to say that!
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I sort of stopped being interested in Judas Priest around the time of Turbo. I had been a fan since the release of Sad Wings of Destiny. IIRC the first Judas Priest album I ever got was Unleashed In The East on vinyl. I then immediately went and got the first two albums. I was hooked! Loved everything they released after that up to Turbo, which I despised. I still have never made it all the way through that record. I'm positive there are songs on it I've never heard. Everything they've released after that did very little to nothing for me. I don't care for Painkiller at all. And it just went downhill from there. Yesterday at the gym I decided to give Redeemer of Souls another try and found myself liking quite a bit of it. I may go back and revisit some of those albums I missed. But I have to say that Firepower is the best record they've released in probably 25 years.
That's what we're doing here! Join in!
Wait wut, you didn't like Painkiller? I'm genuinely surprised to hear that.
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Ram It Down
From the opening scream of the title track, it seems like Judas Priest is here to make amends for their previous album. I think it's pretty standard fare though. The bridge is kind of lightweight. The guitar solos start off by trading fast licks. Are these licks any good? They just seem like fast noise. They do eventually play in unison which helps reign it in a but. I like at 3:20 where the solo seems to hesitate for a second, and then goes off again. The second half of the solo is definitely nice. Are Priest back?? We'll see but they're off to a good start here.
Heavy Metal starts off with cranking solo intro. While the song is a solid rocker, I don't know. Feels a bit chiche'd lyrically. But the solo is good. Love the Wolf Hoffman styled tone at 3:40 and 3:48. Love the chunky rhythm guitars returning after the solo.
Is this song actually called Love Zone? The first thing I noticed during the verse is Dave Holland has some nice drum parts here. The second thing I noticed is how screechy Halford sounds here. I thought the same thing in the previous song too. What's the deal here? But these lyrics and chorus..fucking gag me.
Come And Get It (another gag worthy title) is such sub standard Judas Priest. Leave this shit for the fucking Bulletboys.
Hard As Iron (Do I sense a theme with these titles?) starts out a surprisingly (at this point) pounding metal rhythm. The verse is fine enough, but the chorus is a hot mess. I like the solo at 2:18. The end of the solo is great as is the coming out of it. This song is almost there. Almost.
I noticed that most people consider Blood Red Skies as the classic from this album.
The intro is awesome. But then come the Turbo beats. To me, this song really never gets there. I thought it might be the production of the studio version so I found the Live Epitaph version on youtube. It's definitely heavier and comes across much stronger. Is it me or is Halford's use of the teleprompter distracting...but I digress. I feel it comes close to an epic feel towards the end, but it's just not there. Sorry.
The verse on I'm A Rocker is kind of weird. It's like the vocal line isn't in tune with the guitars. This song blows. It has a nice solo section for sure. If they fit that into Blood Red Skies, it would've been better. Which brings me back to Blood Red Skies...it just needed some more seasoning.
Jonnie B. Good? Jonnie B. Bad. Real Bad. I do like the guitar rhythm under the first two lines of each verse.
Love You To Death-These lyrics suck. Musically it's pretty decent actually. Nice solo section.
Monsters Of Rock...I love the sinister guitar line at 3:20, but the song was a total bore to get there.
What a waste of a good riff.
Honestly, Ram It Down was way heavier than I expected/remembered. Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that Ram It Down was their attempt to a return to form as opposed to Painkiller. At first I dismissed it, but after listening to Ram It Down, I guess I can understand it.
This album has great guitars in places, and Halford is singing his lungs off. But at the end of the day, this album simply does not have the songwriting to support either. This album feels rushed. It's like they finished a basic song, and simply went to the next. I can't believe there was no one there to say that this wasn't good enough. But I'm sure they were on a tight schedule. It sure sounds that way.
I blew this tour off. They brought Cinderella with them, and that definitely wasn't going to entice me to go.
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I like Blood Red Skies as it is. At least the programmed drums are in line with the lyrics of the song and the cyberpunk theme.
And I'm a Rocker is a little stupid fun song that is actually amongst the best of an album that is "half so-called killer if the production was different and the sound was heavier and Scott Travis was the drummer, half filler".
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I don't know who was choosing what made it on those 2 albums but they were asleep at the wheel. I just don't get how Thunder Road, Prisoner of your eyes, heart of a lion or Fire Burns Below didn't make the cut but somehow songs like Love Zone and Wild Nights, Hot & Crazy Days did
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I wonder if part of it was that the album was already half done and then maybe they didn’t take the time to properly finish it?
Remember that most of these songs were recorded during the abandoned Twin Turbos project.
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Can I ask a question for the Judas Priest experts? Who was the band "leader"? Whose vision were they following? Or were they even following one?
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I’m not a huge Judas Priest fan, but I have followed them from the sidelines ever since 1983. And if I had to take an educated guess I would say Tipton.
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I’m not a huge Judas Priest fan, but I have followed them from the sidelines ever since 1983.
Yeah, that's basically me as well. There's just something about them that I could never go "all in" for. I am, however, starting to form an opinion on as to why though.
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I’m not a huge Judas Priest fan, but I have followed them from the sidelines ever since 1983. And if I had to take an educated guess I would say Tipton.
Yeah I think Tipton somehow even though he is not an original member. Best songwriter so . . .
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Not just that, but the fact that I think probably (on the whole) contributed more to the vision of the project and brand than KK did. And Rob is mostly just a figurehead and an average lyric writer at best. EDIT - I mean...one of the most gifted voices in the history of metal, but he only has to show up for that.
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I’m not a huge Judas Priest fan, but I have followed them from the sidelines ever since 1983.
Yeah, that's basically me as well. There's just something about them that I could never go "all in" for. I am, however, starting to form an opinion on as to why though.
I want to hear that, because I'm in the same boat. I too think it's Tipton, but they always spoke in interviews about the "Downing/Halford/Tipton" songwriting team. But there's something very "fake" about that band that I don't like. Like it's all an act and there's a lot behind the scenes. Someone mentioned about the bonus songs, and you're right: they just tacked on songs to albums; the bonus track on Sin After Sin was from Stained Class sessions, and the Stained Class bonus was from the RAM IT DOWN sessions, 10 years later. And most of the live tracks are listed basically as "recording on one of our many world tours across the years" or something like that, even though most of them are from three well-known (and otherwise released) shows from Long Beach, St. Louis, and Tennessee. it just seems so cheap and lazy, like lip service.
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Someone mentioned about the bonus songs, and you're right: they just tacked on songs to albums; the bonus track on Sin After Sin was from Stained Class sessions, and the Stained Class bonus was from the RAM IT DOWN sessions, 10 years later.
Yeah, that was me. ;D
(I hate that I'm about to do this..) Do you think MP would allow a SFAM bonus track on a I&W reissue, or would Steve Harris allow a 7th Son bonus track on a Number Of The Beast reissue?
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British Steel - My thoughts on this one were pretty much the same. Never understood the hype with this one, but it's a very good metal album across the board. It's pretty simple as a whole, but is still a decent listen. The singles are fine enough, and catchy enough that they don't warrant skipping, but you can see what the band is going for here, which is fine. United I can take or leave and Metal Gods has always been a decent stomper. Rapid Fire and Grinder are awesome and Steeler was one I forgot about to that I enjoyed. The Rage wasn't as good as I remembered and Old to Be Wise was just solid.
Point of Entry - I really enjoy this one. I guess I'm a bit of a sucker of when Priest do something a little different. HOTTH is a brilliant track. I like the extra solos they put in live, and would have worked well in the studio. Don't Go I find quite brilliant. It's flamboyant, moody and just a really good well written track. Hot Rockin' is nice and Turning Circle is an interesting song too. Desert Plains is classic and from there it does dip in quality a little. I do like You Say Yes, that's an interesting song. All the Way is catchy too. One thing I find is the bonus tracks not representing the eras at all. Thunder Road is a bit of a banger and would have fit in well on either Turbo or RID.
SFV - Now this one was a bit better than I always had rated it. Again, I never understood the love for this one, but I kind of see why listening now. EE is of course a stormer but I really enjoyed Riding and Bloodstone more than I ever have, they were both pleasant listens. Take These Chains is again something different but was always a favourite. Love the 80's flair here and strong melodies. P&P I could do without and Another Thing Coming is fine, but I never really enjoyed that one as much as their other singles. The title track fucking rips though, holy shit!! Fever again is one I never paid much attention to but really liked it here. Devil's Child was again one I never really got blown away by. A top 3 song though is Prisoner of Your Eyes, what a song, and what a fucking brilliant Tipton solo (Even though KK makes an appearance in the second section) Criminal that this was a bonus track.
Why was Prisoner Of Your Eyes, recorded during the Turbo sessions, on a Screaming reissue??
Why was Thunder Road, recorded during the Ram It Down Sessions, released on a Point Of Entry reissue?
Both songs should've easily made their respective albums. I had never heard either. I listened at first thinking Prisoner was in the Screaming batch, and I was wondering why the guitars were covered by synthesizers, but now seeing it was a Turbo era track, that makes sense. There's a really good song in there.
I personally skipped SFV and DotF for this exercise but I really love Riding On The Wind. Just wanted to say that!
Those reissues had all bonus tracks not representing the current album or era. I missed that Prisoner was recorded for Turboo, but whatever album it would have been on, it would be up there for me. It's like Fire Burns Below that was recorded for RID being on Stained Class. Stupid. I guess they didn't have bonus tracks for some albums so they spread what they have over all of them.
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Can I ask a question for the Judas Priest experts? Who was the band "leader"? Whose vision were they following? Or were they even following one?
Tipton, but I have a feeling the three of them were on the same page for most of the time. If we break down solos, unlike Maiden where they are even, Glenn is the dominant one. Better player of course but you can feel his influence on whatever Priest were doing.
Tim talking solos on RID, this album has some of Glenn's finest work. Heavy Metal, I'm a Rocker and that second half of the title track solo section is technically fucking mindblowing to me. Guy is a genius.
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Tim talking solos on RID, this album has some of Glenn's finest work. Heavy Metal, I'm a Rocker and that second half of the title track solo section is technically fucking mindblowing to me. Guy is a genius.
I called each of those out. I do like the second half of Ram It Down solo.
It feels like on some of the solos on the album, they're just trading off super fast bits.
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Tim talking solos on RID, this album has some of Glenn's finest work. Heavy Metal, I'm a Rocker and that second half of the title track solo section is technically fucking mindblowing to me. Guy is a genius.
I called each of those out. I do like the second half of Ram It Down solo.
It feels like on some of the solos on the album, they're just trading off super fast bits.
Probably. Probably more reactionary after Turbo and trying to get back to a more metal sound.
I don't know, Tipton might be my all time fav guitar player. I've always thought about coming up with a top 50 guitar solo list or something. Thinking about it, there would be more Tipton solos in there than any other guitarist I would think. That's saying something.
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Kade, this one's for you!!
(https://i.imgur.com/in2Y9qt.jpg)
Going back to this. My first concert when I was 17 was the Demolition tour. It blew me away and probably is still the best concert I've been to. Small arena, loud and heavy as fuck. Such an experience as a first concert.
Now, I went with my guitar teacher but cause I was underage, we were split and under 18's were up on the balcony away from everyone else. Great view truthfully and more comfortable. There were maybe 25 of us young ones. Anyway, point of the story, at the end Glenn was giving the crowd the metal horns while panning across. I was giving it back to the band and as he panned to my side he looked up and honed directly at me and we were both locked in on each other with the devil horns. It was funny he was panning but stopped on me for like a good 10 seconds. Still gives me chills thinking about it, made a young kid a lifelong fan. I wish I could tell him what that meant to me, like he knew I was a real Priest fan even at that young age, it was my coolest concert moment.
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Still reeling from the shock of learning there are JP fans that didn’t know the lyrics to Eat Me Alive.
Let's be honest, it's the worst song on an amazing album. I saw it played live and they played it only because it was a rarity and it was never played live, but lyrics aside, that's actually the last song I need to hear from Defenders.
Let's be honest: it's better than at least four other songs on the album.
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Kade, this one's for you!!
(https://i.imgur.com/in2Y9qt.jpg)
Going back to this. My first concert when I was 17 was the Demolition tour. It blew me away and probably is still the best concert I've been to. Small arena, loud and heavy as fuck. Such an experience as a first concert.
Now, I went with my guitar teacher but cause I was underage, we were split and under 18's were up on the balcony away from everyone else. Great view truthfully and more comfortable. There were maybe 25 of us young ones. Anyway, point of the story, at the end Glenn was giving the crowd the metal horns while panning across. I was giving it back to the band and as he panned to my side he looked up and honed directly at me and we were both locked in on each other with the devil horns. It was funny he was panning but stopped on me for like a good 10 seconds. Still gives me chills thinking about it, made a young kid a lifelong fan. I wish I could tell him what that meant to me, like he knew I was a real Priest fan even at that young age, it was my coolest concert moment.
That's awesome. And it looks like he's smiling right at me knowing that I'd be showing you the photo. He's actually smiling at you Back To The Future style! :)
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When I saw priest it was before I actually had a phone with a decent camera so I have no pictures from it but Glenn was still in good form. They slowed down some songs that I originally thought was for Rob's benefit but we all know now what he was playing through. I can see why they originally wanted to call it quits because Glenn seemed to have noticeably gone down hill after that tour. When I would watch youtube clips of the Redeemer tour it was clear something was wrong, before he went public with his illness I had actually thought he had suffered a mini stroke as he was not the same performer I had seen less than 3 years before.
That being said I hope he is well enough to contribute to the next album. If not Firepower would be a good note to retire on.
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I WAS around at that time, and honestly I thought all of that was a fucking joke even then. I didn't pay any attention to any of it. I didn't think "YAY! METAL!" when Dee Snider testified, I thought "why pander to this nonsense?" When they called out "Darling Nikki" for the masturbation reference - something I had been doing at an Olympic level for a couple years at that point ;) - and when "Jazz From Hell" (AN INSTRUMENTAL RECORD) was included by others as a problem, I tuned the fuck out. The "Dirty 15" meant nothing to me.
Same. I knew what Tipper and her cronies were up to, but I actually didn't heard the term "filthy 15" or see the list until sometime in the last 15 years or so.
I honestly never understood the horror of putting warnings on albums. We rated movies already.
My impressions of Zappa and Snider were that Zappa came off as a self important blowhard, and Snider looked like a fucking clown.
Yeah...pretty much (but I was past thinking Twisted Sister was cool anyway, and I didn't really know anything about Zappa at that point in my life). I think my friends and I had some mild concerns about age restrictions (as with R-rated movies), but we were all old enough that it wouldn't have mattered to us. The warning stickers only made the material more desirable, so didn't at all have the desired effect. As I mentioned previously, I took some heat from one of my sisters about Eat Me Alive, and my mother felt the need to remind me that Judas betrayed Jesus, but that was about it. As a high school sophomore and junior, I was very concerned about defending metal against classmates who liked pop and new wave, but it had turned into good natured ribbing by the time I was a senior.
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Kade, this one's for you!!
(https://i.imgur.com/in2Y9qt.jpg)
Going back to this. My first concert when I was 17 was the Demolition tour. It blew me away and probably is still the best concert I've been to. Small arena, loud and heavy as fuck. Such an experience as a first concert.
Now, I went with my guitar teacher but cause I was underage, we were split and under 18's were up on the balcony away from everyone else. Great view truthfully and more comfortable. There were maybe 25 of us young ones. Anyway, point of the story, at the end Glenn was giving the crowd the metal horns while panning across. I was giving it back to the band and as he panned to my side he looked up and honed directly at me and we were both locked in on each other with the devil horns. It was funny he was panning but stopped on me for like a good 10 seconds. Still gives me chills thinking about it, made a young kid a lifelong fan. I wish I could tell him what that meant to me, like he knew I was a real Priest fan even at that young age, it was my coolest concert moment.
That's awesome. And it looks like he's smiling right at me knowing that I'd be showing you the photo. He's actually smiling at you Back To The Future style! :)
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When I saw priest it was before I actually had a phone with a decent camera so I have no pictures from it but Glenn was still in good form. They slowed down some songs that I originally thought was for Rob's benefit but we all know now what he was playing through. I can see why they originally wanted to call it quits because Glenn seemed to have noticeably gone down hill after that tour. When I would watch youtube clips of the Redeemer tour it was clear something was wrong, before he went public with his illness I had actually thought he had suffered a mini stroke as he was not the same performer I had seen less than 3 years before.
That being said I hope he is well enough to contribute to the next album. If not Firepower would be a good note to retire on.
I was impressed with his solo on Firepower. It's so sad to see a genius slowly get robbed of his talent. Hopefully we do get one more album with his playing.
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Kade, anytime you want to list a Top 10 Tipton solo list, I'd definitely follow up on it.
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Kade, anytime you want to list a Top 10 Tipton solo list, I'd definitely follow up on it.
Not a bad idea. Leave it with me. Wouldn't be hard to do but there would be a lot that would miss out.
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Guys, Blood Red Skies or Cathedral Spires?
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Cathedral Spires. All day. Every day.
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Guys, Blood Red Skies or Cathedral Spires?
Cathedral Fucking Spires.
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Running through Priest Live in the car today. I know Tim hates it, but I like it. Polished up or not, I think it's a nice set. Some great energy here.
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Running through Priest Live in the car today. I know Tim hates it, but I like it. Polished up or not, I think it's a nice set. Some great energy here.
Here's a cool video from that tour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=savS655VeF0&t=3s
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Unpopular opinion, but you guys just reminded me how much I LOVE JUGULATOR!!!!!
I think it's interesting how (and I realize this is subjective) to my ears, Iron Maiden and Judas Priest pulled the same stunt. Replaced an iconic lead singer, put out a first album with a new lead singer that is totally amazing and gets shafted by the fanbase at large because "No Rob/Bruce = No JP/IM" respectively. Then release a 2nd album with new lead singer that completely blows chunks, thus facilitating the return of the original iconic lead singer.
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I have a Jugulator writeup coming tomorrow afternoon.
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Unpopular opinion, but you guys just reminded me how much I LOVE JUGULATOR!!!!!
I think it's interesting how (and I realize this is subjective) to my ears, Iron Maiden and Judas Priest pulled the same stunt. Replaced an iconic lead singer, put out a first album with a new lead singer that is totally amazing and gets shafted by the fanbase at large because "No Rob/Bruce = No JP/IM" respectively. Then release a 2nd album with new lead singer that completely blows chunks, thus facilitating the return of the original iconic lead singer.
Yep. Probably the reason I class both as my fav albums from both bands. Jugulator is incredible. I know it cops a lot of shit, but it's a fucking ripper. (Pun intended)
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I think it's interesting how (and I realize this is subjective) to my ears, Iron Maiden and Judas Priest pulled the same stunt. Replaced an iconic lead singer, put out a first album with a new lead singer that is totally amazing and gets shafted by the fanbase at large because "No Rob/Bruce = No JP/IM" respectively. Then release a 2nd album with new lead singer that completely blows chunks, thus facilitating the return of the original iconic lead singer.
True, but the bands made two completely different choices. Steve went with the anti Bruce whereas Glenn picked a copycat.
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I think it's interesting how (and I realize this is subjective) to my ears, Iron Maiden and Judas Priest pulled the same stunt. Replaced an iconic lead singer, put out a first album with a new lead singer that is totally amazing and gets shafted by the fanbase at large because "No Rob/Bruce = No JP/IM" respectively. Then release a 2nd album with new lead singer that completely blows chunks, thus facilitating the return of the original iconic lead singer.
True, but the bands made two completely different choices. Steve went with the anti Bruce whereas Glenn picked a copycat.
Agreed. But other than style of singer, there are many similarities in the pattern.
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I would also add that Tipton choosing to go with a copycat made for a much better success story. As much as I love Blaze, it became very apparent very quickly that he couldn’t handle doing the older material. Whereas Ripper hit the live shows out of the park. Live 98 meltdown might be Judas Priest’s best live album period.
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Well, I wasn't disputing the pattern, I was merely pointing out the completely opposite approaches each band took to picking a new singer.
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I would also add that Tipton choosing to go with a copycat made for a much better success story. As much as I love Blaze, it became very apparent very quickly that he couldn’t handle doing the older material. Whereas Ripper hit the live shows out of the park. Live 98 meltdown might be Judas Priest’s best live album period.
Seeing Tim live on the Demolition tour was incredible. His vocals were out of this world back then.
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Seeing Tim was incredible.
Back atcha, brother! :tup
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Seeing Tim was incredible.
Back atcha, brother! :tup
Ha! Yeah, I'll support that.
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I would also add that Tipton choosing to go with a copycat made for a much better success story. As much as I love Blaze, it became very apparent very quickly that he couldn’t handle doing the older material. Whereas Ripper hit the live shows out of the park. Live 98 meltdown might be Judas Priest’s best live album period.
I put the blaze thing all on the shoulders of Harris. There were a lot of songs that blaze I think would've nailed if they had toned down a bit. Getting someone with a much more limited range without helping him out just set him up for failure live.
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I would also add that Tipton choosing to go with a copycat made for a much better success story. As much as I love Blaze, it became very apparent very quickly that he couldn’t handle doing the older material. Whereas Ripper hit the live shows out of the park. Live 98 meltdown might be Judas Priest’s best live album period.
I put the blaze thing all on the shoulders of Harris. There were a lot of songs that blaze I think would've nailed if they had toned down a bit. Getting someone with a much more limited range without helping him out just set him up for failure live.
Steve's stubbornness not to detune is to blame. He was setting Blaze up for failure. Wasn't wise.
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And yes...I would rather listen to Live Meltdown than Unleashed.
Flame suit on...
EDIT- in fact, what say you guys?
Unleashed vs Live Meltdown
The only catch is, you have to check your nostalgia at the door before voting. Honest question: Do you really think you can do that? ;)
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I'd probably be partial to Live Meltdown. Always thought Live in London was good too.
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Believe or not, I've never sat and listened to Jugulator or Demolition. I may have checked out a song here and there, but I'm not even sure at that. I've just never been a huge Priest fan, and hearing they had a copycat vocalist, I never had any interest in checking them out.
Anyway, I checked out Jugulator this weekend. Wow, this thing crushes. This is a fantastic metal album.
But damn, they need a lyric writer. The lyrics really started going downhill in the mid 80's, and it continues here. There are a couple of songs where they're fine, most notably Cathedral Spires, which is the standout track on the album.
Jugulator
The title track starts off with a really interesting intro. Ripper starts off slowly and then the scream to signal his presence. And then the song begins to rip my face off. There's a lot going on in the verses. Interesting gang styled vocal accents. I love the guitar line at 3:04. That is wicked. This song kicks ass. It takes a couple of listens to sink in, but it fucking smokes.
Blood Stained starts off with an Anthrax style stomp. The part after the solo at 2:38 (and again at 3:26) reminds me of Alice In Chains a bit. This song rips.
Dead Meat is solid enough. Nice rhythms throughout. Not sure I love this song though. I do like the bridge though.
Death Row reminds me of a King Diamond track with Megadeth style dialog drops. 2nd rate track for me here, as is Decapitate. Decapitate's solo is unlistenable, though the rhythms are nice and chunky during it.
Burn In Hell is an cool tune, except for the pre chorus. The lyrics seem dumb as shit though. But musically this is really nice. The chorus reminds me of King Diamond. Love the bit at 4:21 right before the solo. Nice chunky guitars at 4:44 right after the solo.
Brain Dead starts off with a heavy Sabbath vibe. I hear Alice In Chains again with the verse. It's a bit plodding to me. I love the part from 2:35 to 2:58. Turns into Slayer at that point for the solos. And then with an awesome guitar line at 3:27 they basically turn into Megadeth until 4:01.
Interesting track with lots of styles.
Abductors is another Sabbath styled tune with a King Diamond chorus. 2:27 is not the Into The Void riff but it made me think of it. Fucking cool. I love when they come out of the solo. That's real nice.
Bullet Train starts off with a wicked intro, but is relatively uninteresting until the 2:45 mark. Feels kind of Slayerish at 3:30. That whole 2:45-4:10 part might be my favorite minute and a half on the album.
Cathedral Spires lives up to its billing. It is an epic song that feels more complete than Blood Red Skies. Does the riff at 2:04 remind anyone else of the beginning of Bruce Dickinson's 1,000 Points Of Light? I might sound crazy on this, but I feel like they tap some of the songwriting from their 70's epics on this. I'm thinking songs like Beyond The Realms, Island Of Domination, Run Of The Mill, where they seemed to look as to how each piece was joined together to make a full song. It feels like a complete song, and the lyrics are more than respectable.
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Loved reading that writeup Tim. Interesting in regards to Jugulator is that they obviously played with different tunings for the first time in their career. From memory, Burn in Hell and Bullet Train are tuned just half a step down to E flat. The title track, Blood Stained, Death Row (could be E flat though), Decapitate and Abductors are tuned one and a half steps down to C sharp and Dead Meat, Brain Dead and Cathedral Spires are tuned all the way down 2 whole steps to C. This is low and unexpected for Priest adding to the surprises of this album.
Jugulator was actually one of the first metal albums I got into. There used to be a second hand cd store around the corner from the music shop I worked at. I got my first few Maiden releases from there and began exploring, hearing Priest not long after. I can't remember which Priest I heard first truthfully but I remember seeing the cover and picking it up. That was one afternoon after school and I had to go back for an after hours study group. I remember the whole time just wanting to go home and crank this album. Got home about 9pm and played it late at night. It scared the shit out of me. The nostalgia factor is big on this one. Hearing the title track for the first time cemented my love for this genre. Great riffs and Ripper crushes this song.
Blood Stained is cool. Not a big Anthrax or AIC but I do hear a Layne Stanley feel in that 2:38 part. This was a song that featured live heavily.
Dead Meat is heavy as fuck, that intro riff blisters, but the lyrics here suck. "we are all dead meat, cut us watch us bleed." :lol Err.....that's okay, I'm good. The heaviness makes up for it though.
I like that KD and Megadeth references in Death Row. I can totally hear that now. Not my fav on the album but a cool story. Nice bit of trivia that the voice at 2:33 of the victim before the solo is Glenn!
Decapitate is fucking brutal. Those lyrics are bad, but pretty frightenting if you ask me. The guillotine the cuts through the riff a couple of times makes me a bit squeamish truthfully, nice touch. The main riff here I hear a lot of Tony Iommi, even his later solo stuff with Hughes, just reminds me of that. Speaking of the solos, the lead tones are really interesting. Not conventional in any way, very unique.
Burn in Hell is a slap the forehead moment with the lyrics. The "have you got a gun" line makes me cringe. That riff though is fucking groovy! Again, I hear the King Diamond too Tim, especially in that main riff in the quiet section at the start. Glenn has a couple of nice short, subtle leads in this too. And yeah, that 4:21 almost Machine Head like riff is cool as fuck.
The riffing in Brain Dead is some of the best on the whole album, fucking monstrous. Again, don't know much AIC but I can hear Layne singing that. The riffs do keep coming here too. I like that Slayer reference in the solos too. Glenn was a bit looser on this album and more in line with KK's style, it's interesting. Can hear the Megadeth part too.
I love the almost doom feel of Abductors, definite Sabbath vibe. Ha, the "will bleed your mind" is pure King Diamond hey!? Never noticed that! Again like Brain Dead, this one is filled with great riffs.
Bullet Train is probably the most traditional Priest song here, but that riffing right at the start is quick, almost thrash. I don't think I've ever heard Priest do this kind of quick, Iced Earth type riffing I love the tough guy metal gang vocals in the pre chorus. Some growls here would have worked well.
Cathedral Spires is incredible. Tim's vocals at the start are just too fucking good. I love KK's guitar fills in there too, really adds to the atmosphere. Yeah, can hear that heavier 1000 Points of Light riff in there too for sure. Never noticed before it's near identical just tuned lower. Good pick up. In relation to the 70's songwriting, it definitely feels different to the rest of the album even though all the elements are the same as the other songs. Love the melody of the chorus. i love Glenn's solo here too, very tasty (the second one). That little arpeggio thing at 5:24 is so good. The outro is epic as fuck too. Classic Priest song here.
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I know you were listening to Armored Saint a bit ago, but I found myself thinking about John Bush Era Anthrax a lot on this album, especially on the early tracks. It's really riffy and heavy, and those gang style vocal accents call them up big time.
The thing what kind of caught me by surprise as that Ripper sang in his lower and mid registers way more than I expected, and it really helps add to the heaviness.
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I know you were listening to Armored Saint a bit ago, but I found myself thinking about John Bush Era Anthrax a lot on this album, especially on the early tracks. It's really riffy and heavy, and those gang style vocal accents call them up big time.
The thing what kind of caught me by surprise as that Ripper sang in his lower and mid registers way more than I expected, and it really helps add to the heaviness.
I own Greater of Two Evils/We've Come For You All and while I have to dig more into AS, I loved Punching the Sky, I got a copy on cd and spin it quite a bit, that album is brilliant. might be the best gateway to check these Anthrax albums out again.
But yes, he does use his lower range a lot here, seems Glenn and Ken wrote the songs to Ripper's full range, which I like.
Might chuck Live Meltdown into the car today.
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I'll hit Demolition on Wednesday.
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I'll hit Demolition on Wednesday.
This one ain't no Jugulator mate........
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My ears are wide open!
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My ears are wide open!
Go into it with no expectations and maybe try and even forgot you are listening to Priest if you can. :lol I didn't mind it truthfully, there's some cool tunes on there but it's definitely nowhere near their best.
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Halfway through Live Meltdown and it's pretty damn good. I know all the Jugulator material is detuned as I mentioned but it feels strange listening to all the classics live tuned down a whole step I think it is. I mean, Ripper could sing, why sing the classics in lower tuning also. I find that strange. Listening though, I think Unleashed beats it, but we'll see how the 2nd cd goes.
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Interesting. I'm listening to Electric Eye, and yeah, it's tuned lower. In fact it destroys the energy.
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Interesting. I'm listening to Electric Eye, and yeah, it's tuned lower. In fact it destroys the energy.
From the get go, they played all their stuff live in D, one whole step down from the normal E. I never had an issue with it before but it's only now I'm questioning why. I even think they play Blood Stained and Burn in Hell in the key of D when the originals were in C# and Eb. I'd have to check at home though. Surely it just wasn't a laziness thing to play everything in the one key. Not sure why I've never given this any thinking before. Especially Live in London as I played the shit out of that DVD. Listening now, it does kill the energy of a lot of the songs. Some songs work well but others don't.
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One song that really works well here in a lower tuning is BTROD.
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I sort of stopped being interested in Judas Priest around the time of Turbo. I had been a fan since the release of Sad Wings of Destiny. IIRC the first Judas Priest album I ever got was Unleashed In The East on vinyl. I then immediately went and got the first two albums. I was hooked! Loved everything they released after that up to Turbo, which I despised. I still have never made it all the way through that record. I'm positive there are songs on it I've never heard. Everything they've released after that did very little to nothing for me. I don't care for Painkiller at all. And it just went downhill from there. Yesterday at the gym I decided to give Redeemer of Souls another try and found myself liking quite a bit of it. I may go back and revisit some of those albums I missed. But I have to say that Firepower is the best record they've released in probably 25 years.
sometimes I think KirksNoseHair is the hair inside my nose its so spot on and so me...
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And yes...I would rather listen to Live Meltdown than Unleashed.
Flame suit on...
EDIT- in fact, what say you guys?
Unleashed vs Live Meltdown
The only catch is, you have to check your nostalgia at the door before voting. Honest question: Do you really think you can do that? ;)
Sorry, I tried yesterday, but no my friend. I don’t like Jugulator, and the guitars sound much better on UITE. And there’s no following Halford in his prime. No contest for me.
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I sort of stopped being interested in Judas Priest around the time of Turbo. I had been a fan since the release of Sad Wings of Destiny. IIRC the first Judas Priest album I ever got was Unleashed In The East on vinyl. I then immediately went and got the first two albums. I was hooked! Loved everything they released after that up to Turbo, which I despised. I still have never made it all the way through that record. I'm positive there are songs on it I've never heard. Everything they've released after that did very little to nothing for me. I don't care for Painkiller at all. And it just went downhill from there. Yesterday at the gym I decided to give Redeemer of Souls another try and found myself liking quite a bit of it. I may go back and revisit some of those albums I missed. But I have to say that Firepower is the best record they've released in probably 25 years.
sometimes I think KirksNoseHair is the hair inside my nose its so spot on and so me...
So I guess that makes him an Epicnosehair.
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Jugulator.
I can't read that without at least giggling, and usually laughing out loud. "Jugulator". It's like Spinal Tap without the humor. No thanks.
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Jugulator.
I can't read that without at least giggling, and usually laughing out loud. "Jugulator". It's like Spinal Tap without the humor. No thanks.
It's actually a good album. Metal as hell. Not sure it's you're kind of album. It's closer to Megadeth than actual Judas Priest, but it will melt your ears off. It biggest problem it has is the dumb AF lyrics.
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Halfway through Live Meltdown and it's pretty damn good. I know all the Jugulator material is detuned as I mentioned but it feels strange listening to all the classics live tuned down a whole step I think it is. I mean, Ripper could sing, why sing the classics in lower tuning also. I find that strange. Listening though, I think Unleashed beats it, but we'll see how the 2nd cd goes.
Maybe to avoid having to switch instruments during the show?
I have never heard a single note of Jugulator or Demolition heh. I just heard Painkiller for the first time a few days ago.
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Painkiller is amazing.
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I liked it. I need to give it a few more spins but it will definitely stay in rotation for a bit.
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Halfway through Live Meltdown and it's pretty damn good. I know all the Jugulator material is detuned as I mentioned but it feels strange listening to all the classics live tuned down a whole step I think it is. I mean, Ripper could sing, why sing the classics in lower tuning also. I find that strange. Listening though, I think Unleashed beats it, but we'll see how the 2nd cd goes.
Maybe to avoid having to switch instruments during the show?
I have never heard a single note of Jugulator or Demolition heh. I just heard Painkiller for the first time a few days ago.
That was my thinking but that seems super lazy.
And yes, Painkiller is legendary.
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But think about how many key changes you’re talking about just in the songs that you mentioned. Handing off a guitar once or twice a show is not that big of a deal, but as a performer it starts to get really old if you’re trading off guitars five and six times a show. Just to keep the flow going you’re probably going to do SOMETHING to minimize that. And if you, as the performer, think that the songs sound just fine in a different key then you’re probably not going to think twice about. Your energy is going into the performance and making sure that the execution is tight. A key change to keep from running side stage all the time is way down the list of importance.
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But think about how many key changes you’re talking about just in the songs that you mentioned. Handing off a guitar once or twice a show is not that big of a deal, but as a performer it starts to get really old if you’re trading off guitars five and six times a show. Just to keep the flow going you’re probably going to do SOMETHING to minimize that. And if you, as the performer, think that the songs sound just fine in a different key then you’re probably not going to think twice about. Your energy is going into the performance and making sure that the execution is tight. A key change to keep from running side stage all the time is way down the list of importance.
Just an observation I've never really thought about before, that's all. But talking about switching guitars, besides the new songs from Jugulator, everything else here was recorded in standard tuning. So they would only need to switch instruments for 4 songs on the Meltdown set.
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I spun Killing Machine/Hell Bent for Leather yesterday. It's a damn good album, and I might actually prefer it to British Steel.
I'm not going to go track-by-track, but the only weak links are Rock Forever and Evil Fantasies. I'm not a huge fan of Killing Machine, but the other title track kicks all sorts of ass (and I wish it were longer). I can still remember hearing HBFL for the first time and being blown away (that whole May 1984 Priest show blew me away, and I really need to buy the anniversary edition of Defenders since it includes that show). Before the Dawn is a real wild card here. Really nice song, and I don't think they've done anything like it since then.
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I spun Killing Machine/Hell Bent for Leather yesterday. It's a damn good album, and I might actually prefer it to British Steel.
I'm not going to go track-by-track, but the only weak links are Rock Forever and Evil Fantasies. I'm not a huge fan of Killing Machine, but the other title track kicks all sorts of ass (and I wish it were longer). I can still remember hearing HBFL for the first time and being blown away (that whole May 1984 Priest show blew me away, and I really need to buy the anniversary edition of Defenders since it includes that show). Before the Dawn is a real wild card here. Really nice song, and I don't think they've done anything like it since then.
its a very good album for sure it was my first tour seeing JP so I have a real soft spot for it
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I spun Killing Machine/Hell Bent for Leather yesterday. It's a damn good album, and I might actually prefer it to British Steel.
I'm not going to go track-by-track, but the only weak links are Rock Forever and Evil Fantasies. I'm not a huge fan of Killing Machine, but the other title track kicks all sorts of ass (and I wish it were longer). I can still remember hearing HBFL for the first time and being blown away (that whole May 1984 Priest show blew me away, and I really need to buy the anniversary edition of Defenders since it includes that show). Before the Dawn is a real wild card here. Really nice song, and I don't think they've done anything like it since then.
Yeah, I'd take it over BS too.
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Received the Firepower CD today. I purchased from Amazon and got the digital download days ago. Also signed up for Prime and have been enjoying the music aspect of it. Specifically running through the discography.
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By the way, am I the only one who finds it REALLY odd that the change of the album's title in the U.S. was motivated by a school shooting that took place in San Diego nearly four months after the initial release of the album? I don't know anything more about that incident than what's in the Wiki article, but that seems so attenuated. Rob didn't have a connection with San Diego at that time, and it's not like the shooter called herself "the killing machine" or said she was motivated by the album or anything like that. Hell...the Boomtown Rats even wrote and released a song called "I Don't Like Mondays" based on something the shooter said to a negotiator. So is this really why the album name was changed?
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By the way, am I the only one who finds it REALLY odd that the change of the album's title in the U.S. was motivated by a school shooting that took place in San Diego nearly four months after the initial release of the album? I don't know anything more about that incident than what's in the Wiki article, but that seems so attenuated. Rob didn't have a connection with San Diego at that time, and it's not like the shooter called herself "the killing machine" or said she was motivated by the album or anything like that. Hell...the Boomtown Rats even wrote and released a song called "I Don't Like Mondays" based on something the shooter said to a negotiator. So is this really why the album name was changed?
I heard they were gonna call it Smell the Glove but Tap had already used it : )
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By the way, am I the only one who finds it REALLY odd that the change of the album's title in the U.S. was motivated by a school shooting that took place in San Diego nearly four months after the initial release of the album? I don't know anything more about that incident than what's in the Wiki article, but that seems so attenuated. Rob didn't have a connection with San Diego at that time, and it's not like the shooter called herself "the killing machine" or said she was motivated by the album or anything like that. Hell...the Boomtown Rats even wrote and released a song called "I Don't Like Mondays" based on something the shooter said to a negotiator. So is this really why the album name was changed?
I never bothered to find out, but I always was curious.
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I'm running through Demolition today in the car. it's not that bad for what it is. If you can get pas the horrible lyrics in Machine Men there's some cool stuff on here;
MM - Pretty ripping but the lyrics are horseshit.
One on One - Groovy. A bit long and probably overstays its welcome but it's catchy.
Hell is Home - Good one. Slow and doomy with some nice melodies IMO.
Jekyll and Hyde - Not bad, was never a fav on release but didn't mind it here
Close to You - Great ballad and amazing Tipton solo. The best solo on both this album and Jugulator IMO, classic stuff.
Devil Digger - The plodding nature starts to get a bit old but this is okay.
Bloodsuckers - A bit better with a generic but very likeable riff. Crap lyrics but some old school feels here.
In Between - Probably a low point. Too ploddy after what we've heard but quite dark and somewhat interesting.
Feed On Me - This is better. A live staple for the tour and you can see why. Decent metal
Subterfuge - One of my favs. Simple riffing but I love the chorus, great underrated cut.
Lost and Found - Nah, the other ballad destroys it.
Cyberface - Thank fuck this is the only song Scott Travis tried to write, holy hell!
Metal Messiah - Another highlight. Pretty unconventional and different but great chorus, love this one.
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Metal Messiah has the best chorus of the entire Ripper era, too bad they "wasted" it on a "rap" song but the chorus alone saves the song.
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I'm way behind . . .
ROCKA ROLLA - fun little debut. Heavy blues. Run of the Mill by far the standout track, kind of a precursor to Dreamer Deceiver. Halford giving a few hints of what was to come, but holding back. As with some of these other 70s albums, probably would have benefitted from heavier production.
SAD WINGS - wow what a step forward. Tyrant in 1976? That sucker is heavy, a completely modern metal song before its time. Victim and D/D big highlights but I enjoy all of the songs. Genocide benefits from the live versions for sure. Halford is now unrestrained, with legendary screams and high notes (and first death growl on record towards end of VoC) - he sets the bar here. None of my other favorite singers can match this. Songwriting magic on this album.
SIN AFTER SIN - the least of the S trilogy for me, but some great stuff. Let Us Prey another Priest song that is pushing the speed metal game forward. After I made a playlist awhile back, my wife really love 70s Priest and Last Rose of Summer and Here Come the Tears are some of her faves along with Victim, DD, etc. Sinner and DA awesome metal songs.
STAINED CLASS - my favorite. Doesn't have many catchy, poppy choruses which may be a drawback for some. BTROD in the running for greatest metal song. Exciter picks up where Let Us Prey left off, even faster. The only 2 lesser songs for me are Invader and Savage but I still like them quite a bit. Hero's End is not a letdown for me. This album is very heavy, lyrically and musically, which many people miss due to the production. Oh yeah and Les Binks is awesome.
KILLING MACHINE - here they have one foot on each side of the fence as they attempt to gain popularity. It's a mixed bag and I don't need 40% of the songs but the ones I do like are quite good. This may be the 2nd Priest album I owned after getting Defenders in 1984.
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I'm spinning Tipton's Baptizm of Fire CD in the car right now. This is an interesting album. Of course, I really like it but that's me. His vocals are very unique and definitely an aquired taste but I think there is a lot of great stuff on here. If anyone checks it, make you check the one bonus track Himalaya, one of my favs if not my fav besides the amazing title track where Tipton goes almost Macalpine like but heavier.
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I have a chat with KK booked for next Tuesday, and heard 5 songs off his new album. Questions for him?
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If I were interviewing KK, I would be afraid that every question could open a whole can of worms. How could a person have a chat with KK at this moment in time and avoid any sort of controversy? :-\
Sorry for not being helpful, Rodrigo, I'm just musing loudly...
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If I were interviewing KK, I would be afraid that every question could open a whole can of worms. How could a person have a chat with KK at this moment in time and avoid any sort of controversy? :-\
Sorry for not being helpful, Rodrigo, I'm just musing loudly...
I feel the same way. Next week I have this one and an interview with Malmsteen, so it's officially "Walking on eggshells with a guitar player" week!
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Same as Mladen, the things I'd like to know would get you banned from the interview if asked :D
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I have a chat with KK booked for next Tuesday, and heard 5 songs off his new album. Questions for him?
Id ask KK how his golf game is,,,, : )
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I’ve had to come up for air on my deep dive. Demolition is next. Gonna try and hit that over the weekend.
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I have a chat with KK booked for next Tuesday, and heard 5 songs off his new album. Questions for him?
What happened with Les Binks? He's out of KK's Priest?
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I have a chat with KK booked for next Tuesday, and heard 5 songs off his new album. Questions for him?
What happened with Les Binks? He's out of KK's Priest?
Supposedly an injury. Wrist I think.
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Does anyone know why they switched from Binks to Holland back in the day?
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Does anyone know why they switched from Binks to Holland back in the day?
According to an interview he did back in 2017, he was sort of a hired gun for the time he was in the band. He was paid session fees for doing the recordings, and he was surprised that the show in Tokyo was being recorded for Unleashed in the East. This eventually caused a rift between Binks and the bands then-manager Mike Dolan. Eventually, Dolan asked Binks to waive his fee in connection with Unleashed and things spiraled, and that's why he left.
The discussion of Unleashed and Binks leaving the band is about halfway down the page: https://web.archive.org/web/20171201051931/http://kkdowning.net/steelmill/Interviews/beyond-realms-les-binks/
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Cool, just read it. Thank you for that!
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Cool, just read it. Thank you for that!
It was new info for me also. Of course, it's only coming from Binks, so I wonder if the rest of the band would agree.
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The band always maintained that they wanted somebody more straight-ahead and not as complex as Binks. An idiotic thing, if you ask me, but they certainly got what they were looking for in Holland. Dude's about as unflashy as they come. Personally, I'm a bigtime Binks fan.
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I have a chat with KK booked for next Tuesday, and heard 5 songs off his new album. Questions for him?
What happened with Les Binks? He's out of KK's Priest?
Supposedly an injury. Wrist I think.
I've read that somewhere, but apparently KK count on him for a future tour. I think it's still a valid question for KK to clarify the situation. Anyway, thanks for the info. :tup
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The band always maintained that they wanted somebody more straight-ahead and not as complex as Binks. An idiotic thing, if you ask me, but they certainly got what they were looking for in Holland. Dude's about as unflashy as they come. Personally, I'm a bigtime Binks fan.
I really like his drumming on Judas too. The Sad Wings... songs on Unleashed... are much better because of him IMO.
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The band always maintained that they wanted somebody more straight-ahead and not as complex as Binks. An idiotic thing, if you ask me, but they certainly got what they were looking for in Holland. Dude's about as unflashy as they come. Personally, I'm a bigtime Binks fan.
100% accurate.
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I'm running through Demolition today in the car. it's not that bad for what it is. If you can get pas the horrible lyrics in Machine Men there's some cool stuff on here;
MM - Pretty ripping but the lyrics are horseshit.
One on One - Groovy. A bit long and probably overstays its welcome but it's catchy.
Hell is Home - Good one. Slow and doomy with some nice melodies IMO.
Jekyll and Hyde - Not bad, was never a fav on release but didn't mind it here
Close to You - Great ballad and amazing Tipton solo. The best solo on both this album and Jugulator IMO, classic stuff.
Devil Digger - The plodding nature starts to get a bit old but this is okay.
Bloodsuckers - A bit better with a generic but very likeable riff. Crap lyrics but some old school feels here.
In Between - Probably a low point. Too ploddy after what we've heard but quite dark and somewhat interesting.
Feed On Me - This is better. A live staple for the tour and you can see why. Decent metal
Subterfuge - One of my favs. Simple riffing but I love the chorus, great underrated cut.
Lost and Found - Nah, the other ballad destroys it.
Cyberface - Thank fuck this is the only song Scott Travis tried to write, holy hell!
Metal Messiah - Another highlight. Pretty unconventional and different but great chorus, love this one.
Quoting you above me as I have not read your notes. I didn't want to read them before I listened. We usually hear things pretty similarly so I want to compare after I post.
Suffice to say, I really liked this. I have some thoughts regarding something J-Dude said comparing these to the two Blaze albums.
Anyway.
Demolition
To me, the only drawback from this album are some of the effects, which I found quite distracting. A number of times, the solo started and I don't know what they were running it through, but it sure as hell wasn't a Marshall. The songs, as written, were generally excellent, with really only the production fucking with it. Ripper is amazing on this album.
Machine Man-I can totally hear John Bush singing this. Reminds me a bit of WCFYA Era Anthrax, which is easily by far my least favorite Anthrax album. Heavy tune. Is that a bebot solo?
One On One-I like the beginning driving rhythm. Not crazy about the tuning or the effects though. This song has some potential though. Ripper turns into Alice Cooper at 3:33. I like the solo section right after that especially the second one.
Hell Is Home-This song isn't bad at all. I'm not usually a mid tempo guy, but this keeps a good pace. Kind of a Black Sabbath/Alice In Chains mashup.
The best thing about Jeckyl And Hyde is that it's short. That part at 1:19-1:41 is awesome. I would've loved to have them extend that than go to another bebot solo.
There's something just off with Close To You. I don't love it, but I don't hate it either. That solo at 2:04 is great! Best 35 seconds of the album.
Devil Digger? Is that the actual name of the song? It sounds like a gardening tool. That's a heavy as shit riff throughout, but I'll pass.
I don't think the intro to Bloodsuckers is necessary. I would've been fine with that riff simply beginning the songs. This song kicks ass. The "BLOOD SUCKERS" in the chorus is a bit goofy. I like the bridge at 3:20, and the guitar underneath it. Yeah, this song rips.
I think In Between is also a cool underrated track. I love the "I am my alter ego" part in the middle of the song.
Wow, Feed On Me has a total Dio/Dehumanizer feel. Very cool. This song is a headbanger. What a wicked groove. A bit of Accept here too. The outro solo section in the last minute is nice.
They could've left Subterfuge off. WTF is this? The effects starting at 2:43 remind me of either Boobah or the Teletubbies.
Lost And Found is awesome. This is a nice change of pace. Classy tune. Ripper is great on the I "I stumbled through a barren land" line. So on point. 3:15...what a gorgeous solo. Great tune!
Cyberface- Wait..Cyberface?? WTF?? Another track with a useless intro. Sounds like latter day Dio, which really isn't a compliment. The prechorus is fucking badass though, but the chorus fucking blows.
Metal Mesiah has a Bush Era Anthrax verse, but that chorus..my word, is amazing and classic Priest.
The solo section is awesome. Sick rhythm underneath. Not sure that outro was needed, but ok..
I liked this track a lot.
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I think the only ones we disagree on are Lost And Found and Subterfuge..
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I think the only ones we disagree on are Lost And Found and Subterfuge..
Thought the same thing. I didn't really put much thought into my comments but reading yours I do feel what you are saying with most. I relistened to Lost and Found and I was harsh on it. I like the little solo there too, great touch. Yeah, I always liked Subterfuge but can see why others wouldn't. LOL @ the Teletubbies reference.
Surprised you really like this also, good shit Tim. Bebot solo? That made me laugh but I always thought too there were too many effects running through this album. I can see what they were going for but it is a bit overkill and makes things sound more processed than they need to be.
:lol @ Devil Digger being a gardening tool.
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I think it's interesting how (and I realize this is subjective) to my ears, Iron Maiden and Judas Priest pulled the same stunt. Replaced an iconic lead singer, put out a first album with a new lead singer that is totally amazing and gets shafted by the fanbase at large because "No Rob/Bruce = No JP/IM" respectively. Then release a 2nd album with new lead singer that completely blows chunks, thus facilitating the return of the original iconic lead singer.
True, but the bands made two completely different choices. Steve went with the anti Bruce whereas Glenn picked a copycat.
Agreed. But other than style of singer, there are many similarities in the pattern.
I'm going to call a timeout here J Dude! ;D
Here's what I would say after finally hearing Jugulator and Demolition.
I think if one wants to put Demolition or Virtual IX at the bottom of the Priest and Maiden rankings.. fine, but I strongly disagree that each album blows chunks.
Here's what I found interesting, and shows the exact opposite in the two bands' patterns.
With Blaze, TXF was far more experimental whereas VIX took a more safer approach.
With Ripper, I found Jugulator more safer, as it's really a reasonable extension of Painkiller, whereas Demolition was far more experimental.
I know Halford and Dickinson are iconic, and are really irreplaceable. These two bands are in an almost no win situation. But regardless of the replacement singers, both bands' instrumentalists remained constant, and all four albums have worth and interest and deserve respect.
While Jugulator is an extension of Painkiller, I actually found many tracks on Demolition to have more in common with the British Steel-Defenders Era. A number of the tracks had a straightforwardness to them. Sure they were blurred by some production effects, but boiling the songs down to their basics, I find a real classic Judas Priest album in Demolition.
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I think it's interesting how (and I realize this is subjective) to my ears, Iron Maiden and Judas Priest pulled the same stunt. Replaced an iconic lead singer, put out a first album with a new lead singer that is totally amazing and gets shafted by the fanbase at large because "No Rob/Bruce = No JP/IM" respectively. Then release a 2nd album with new lead singer that completely blows chunks, thus facilitating the return of the original iconic lead singer.
True, but the bands made two completely different choices. Steve went with the anti Bruce whereas Glenn picked a copycat.
Agreed. But other than style of singer, there are many similarities in the pattern.
I'm going to call a timeout here J Dude! ;D
Here's what I would say after finally hearing Jugulator and Demolition.
I think if one wants to put Demolition or Virtual IX at the bottom of the Priest and Maiden rankings.. fine, but I strongly disagree that each album blows chunks.
Here's what I found interesting, and shows the exact opposite in the two bands' patterns.
With Blaze, TXF was far more experimental whereas VIX took a more safer approach.
With Ripper, I found Jugulator more safer, as it's really a reasonable extension of Painkiller, whereas Demolition was far more experimental.
I know Halford and Dickinson are iconic, and are really irreplaceable. These two bands are in an almost no win situation. But regardless of the replacement singers, both bands' instrumentalists remained constant, and all four albums have worth and interest and deserve respect.
While Jugulator is an extension of Painkiller, I actually found many tracks on Demolition to have more in common with the British Steel-Defenders Era. A number of the tracks had a straightforwardness to them. Sure they were blurred by some production effects, but boiling the songs down to their basics, I find a real classic Judas Priest album in Demolition.
On a whole, I'd agree with most of this. I really loved Demolition when it came out. Seeing them live on that tour and the Live in London DVD was on high rotation. That's a great DVD Tim if you can check it. Not sure if it's on Youtube but a fun show.
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I'll look for it!
What I find really interesting is that both Judas Priest (with Jugulator) and Rob Halford (with Fight) went totally heavy AF after their split.
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I'll look for it!
What I find really interesting is that both Judas Priest (with Jugulator) and Rob Halford (with Fight) went totally heavy AF after their split.
Painkiller must have really struck a sweet spot with both of them. That's a good thing.
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To be fair, I haven’t heard Demolition since the day it came out. But when I played it, the effects just seemed like such a radical departure at the time that I just thought they had gone off the rails. But I don’t remember enough to say anything more, so I’d have to hear it again.
Didn’t it have an almost industrial vibe in spots? I remember that sound had been big in the 90s and Rob kinda went that route for his solo project TWO which had come out just a few years earlier
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To be fair, I haven’t heard Demolition since the day it came out. But when I played it, the effects just seemed like such a radical departure at the time that I just thought they had gone off the rails. But I don’t remember enough to say anything more, so I’d have to hear it again.
Didn’t it have an almost industrial vibe in spots?
I've literally never heard a single track off of it before today. I think there's some production issues with it, like the effects and stuff. But at it's core, I found the tracks pretty straightforward.
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Thread title updated to reflect the current state. :tup :tup
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Thread title updated to reflect the current state. :tup :tup
Good! Why don't you join the thread you started? I think it's time for you to catch up and post!
What are YOUR thoughts on the Ripper Era?
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I haven't been in a mood for Priest lately, so I don't really have any new thoughts to contribute, unfortunately.
Never cared for the Ripper era. Painkiller is generally my cutoff point for interest in this band, although I did like a few songs from Angel of Retribution. Seemed like there were a few good ones on Firepower, but they had zero staying power with me.
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OK, so we are at the Ripper Era right now. If you never made it past the Painkiller era , like me, then it's time for you to join the listening party. That's the whole point of this.
"I didn't care for the Ripper Era" is not a discussion point.
You have a few days, and then we'll be on to Angel Of Retribution by the middle of the week.
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No, no, let me clarify. I have heard all of their material. I just don't find much past Painkiller interesting or good enough to revisit with any regularity. I listened to the Ripper stuff years ago and it was all okay, but was material I never need or want to hear again. Sorry, not doing it, especially since Ayreon is my focus now for the next two weeks. :biggrin:
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Apparently the Taylor Swift thread is too important.
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Damn right. :P
Sorry, I will not be bullied* into listening to the Priest material featuring a poor man's Rob Halford. ;)
*this is meant in jest
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That's OK. Nothing to be ashamed of. Tough to compete with a mousekateer.
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Let's go this route: gimme three songs from the Ripper era worth listening to again and I will give them a fresh try here in the next few days (assuming they are on YT). Anyone who wants to make recs, throw them out there and I will listen to the ones that get mentioned the most. Three songs only.
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Apparently the Taylor Swift thread is too important.
:lol
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Let's go this route: gimme three songs from the Ripper era worth listening to again and I will give them a fresh try here in the next few days (assuming they are on YT). Anyone who wants to make recs, throw them out there and I will listen to the ones that get mentioned the most. Three songs only.
I think we could all agree on Cathedral Spires as one.
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Let's go this route: gimme three songs from the Ripper era worth listening to again and I will give them a fresh try here in the next few days (assuming they are on YT). Anyone who wants to make recs, throw them out there and I will listen to the ones that get mentioned the most. Three songs only.
Cathedral Spires, definitively
Feed on Me
Burn in Hell
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I can get on board with Feed on Me.
I'd go Jugulator too personally but might not be the best pick.
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Burn in hell and Cathedral spires are good choices. The title track to Jugulator is also damn fine.
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Let's go this route: gimme three songs from the Ripper era worth listening to again and I will give them a fresh try here in the next few days (assuming they are on YT). Anyone who wants to make recs, throw them out there and I will listen to the ones that get mentioned the most. Three songs only.
That’s the spirit!!
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Cool, I will check those out again and report back this week. :coolio
Let's go this route: gimme three songs from the Ripper era worth listening to again and I will give them a fresh try here in the next few days (assuming they are on YT). Anyone who wants to make recs, throw them out there and I will listen to the ones that get mentioned the most. Three songs only.
That’s the spirit!!
It's the only way to shut you up. ;)
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The band always maintained that they wanted somebody more straight-ahead and not as complex as Binks. An idiotic thing, if you ask me, but they certainly got what they were looking for in Holland. Dude's about as unflashy as they come. Personally, I'm a bigtime Binks fan.
I really like his drumming on Judas too. The Sad Wings... songs on Unleashed... are much better because of him IMO.
I agree with that, 100%, but having said that, Dave Holland is my favorite Priest drummer. I love that fill he did a lot that sounded like a machine gun (it's at about 3:00 of Heading Out To The Highway; there's one similar at 1:40).
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Cool, I will check those out again and report back this week. :coolio
Let's go this route: gimme three songs from the Ripper era worth listening to again and I will give them a fresh try here in the next few days (assuming they are on YT). Anyone who wants to make recs, throw them out there and I will listen to the ones that get mentioned the most. Three songs only.
That’s the spirit!!
It's the only way to shut you up. ;)
Unfortunately there’s nothing like what we love from the 70s with both great melody and songwriting in addition to the heaviness.
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KK had a death in the family, so tomorrow's interview will have to be postponed... :(
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In 2011 I ran a JP survivor here on DTF. This is how the final round ended up.
1. Painkiller
2. The Hellion / Electric Eye
3. Exciter
4. Victim Of Changes
5. Jawbreaker
6. The Sentinel
7. Beyond The Realms Of Death
8. Freewheel Burning
9. Hell Bent For Leather
10. Ram It Down
11. Blood Red Skies
12. Sinner
13. Heading Out To The Highway
14. Cathedral Spires
15. One Shot At Glory
16. Dissident Aggressor
17. Rapid Fire
18. Metal Gods
19. Judas Rising
20. Prophecy
21. Jugulator
22. Subterfuge
23. Out In The Cold
24. Run Of The Mill
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Looks like the US tour with Sabaton is back on. Not surprisingly since both bands had been announced for different shows already. Now there isn't a schedule conflict for me, so I hope to see JP for the first time this fall although I am way more excited to see Sabaton.
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In 2011 I ran a JP survivor here on DTF. This is how the final round ended up.
1. Painkiller
2. The Hellion / Electric Eye
3. Exciter
4. Victim Of Changes
5. Jawbreaker
6. The Sentinel
7. Beyond The Realms Of Death
8. Freewheel Burning
9. Hell Bent For Leather
10. Ram It Down
11. Blood Red Skies
12. Sinner
13. Heading Out To The Highway
14. Cathedral Spires
15. One Shot At Glory
16. Dissident Aggressor
17. Rapid Fire
18. Metal Gods
19. Judas Rising
20. Prophecy
21. Jugulator
22. Subterfuge
23. Out In The Cold
24. Run Of The Mill
Those are some crazy results. Exciter and Jawbreaker over the Sentinel and BTROD??! Might be time for a new one.
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Jawbreaker at number 5?! :eek
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I'm more baffled at Subterfuge being at number 22.
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One song from their most popular album? It's the best song, but still... no Devil's Child? No Screaming...?
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I'm more baffled at Subterfuge being at number 22.
Ha! Missed that one. :metal
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I've saved the results for each album if anyone's interested in a particular album or such.
Interesting to note is that Screaming For Vengeance got the last place on that album :P
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I think I took place in that survivor, but man, that was ten years ago. It would be awesome to have another Judas Priest survivor. :metal
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One song from their most popular album? It's the best song, but still... no Devil's Child? No Screaming...?
Probably each album had only 2 songs in the finals regardless of popularity...
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Looks like the winner of each album went to the finals. If there was a tie, then both songs went to the finals (for instance Freewheel Burning/Jawbreaker, and Ram It Down/Blood Red Skies).
The runner-ups battled it out in a separate heat. Out of those 14 songs, 5 went to the finals (Sinner, Exciter, Rapid Fire, The Sentinel, and One Shot At Glory).
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Yeah, because every album pretty much has to get representation in the final 25 or whatever, those survivors are never a true indication of what songs are the most liked and whatnot. Sure, the most popular albums get an extra song or two (or however that works), and it's a fun exercise, but I'd take the results with a tinny tiny grain of salt.
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Seriously loving Firepower. No weak tracks and stellar production put this album way up to the top of their discography. It's that good IMO.
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Yeah, because every album pretty much has to get representation in the final 25 or whatever, those survivors are never a true indication of what songs are the most liked and whatnot. Sure, the most popular albums get an extra song or two (or however that works), and it's a fun exercise, but I'd take the results with a tinny tiny grain of salt.
Yeah, the survivor system is pretty flawed that way. I wonder if the "league" system is better, the way that Destiny of Chaos is doing the DT League.
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Yeah, because every album pretty much has to get representation in the final 25 or whatever, those survivors are never a true indication of what songs are the most liked and whatnot. Sure, the most popular albums get an extra song or two (or however that works), and it's a fun exercise, but I'd take the results with a tinny tiny grain of salt.
Yeah, the survivor system is pretty flawed that way. I wonder if the "league" system is better, the way that Destiny of Chaos is doing the DT League.
The League is definitively better, but even a survivor classic style can work; however the best albums should have more songs, there should be an albums survivor first where the most voted albums get most songs in the final.
Let's take Maiden for example, Seventh Son has 8 songs and so does Virtual XI; that both albums send the same number of songs to the finals is unbalanced.
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The point of a survivor was never to be an accurate representation of what the band's best songs are, it's just a game. However, I do feel that the top ten songs on a list can be fairly accurate, especially with bands that have a more consistent discography. The songs from number 20 downwards are usually the best tracks from weaker albums. ;D
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Looks like the winner of each album went to the finals. If there was a tie, then both songs went to the finals (for instance Freewheel Burning/Jawbreaker, and Ram It Down/Blood Red Skies).
The runner-ups battled it out in a separate heat. Out of those 14 songs, 5 went to the finals (Sinner, Exciter, Rapid Fire, The Sentinel, and One Shot At Glory).
Well...that helps explain why there's a song from Nostradamus in the top 25. :lol
I'd be totally down for a survivor or a league.
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Looks like the winner of each album went to the finals. If there was a tie, then both songs went to the finals (for instance Freewheel Burning/Jawbreaker, and Ram It Down/Blood Red Skies).
The runner-ups battled it out in a separate heat. Out of those 14 songs, 5 went to the finals (Sinner, Exciter, Rapid Fire, The Sentinel, and One Shot At Glory).
Well...that helps explain why there's a song from Nostradamus in the top 25. :lol
I'd be totally down for a survivor or a league.
I would too, but I would not want to "guarantee" any album at least one spot.
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So I've been thinking about this and I saw this story so I'm now motivated to post..
https://bravewords.com/news/tim-ripper-owens-on-upcoming-debut-album-from-kk-s-priest-it-has-the-aggression-right-out-of-the-gate-but-it-also-has-the-classic-k-k-feel-as-well-audio
I know people have to make a living and all that. Heck there's like 3 Ratts and and 2 Great Whites (um..ONE was ONE too many)..And now we have Scottryche..
Anyway, Ripper says we have a "classic KK feel"? WTF is the classic KK feel. And calling it KK's Priest makes me lose all interest in this, honestly. That's fucking cheesy.
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There is no fucking thing as classic KK feel. Priest since Sad Wings has been Glenn and Rob mainly I firmly believe.
I got offended when KK said he left as live performances weren't up to scratch in Priest. Glenn had early onset Parkinson's and still ripped out more technical solos than you could comprehend mate. Put your whammy bar down and tackle the Painkiller solo live. KK was never note for live anyway so not sure where he got off saying that.
And yes, the KK's Priest band name is horrid, absolutely pathetic.
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So I've been thinking about this and I saw this story so I'm now motivated to post..
https://bravewords.com/news/tim-ripper-owens-on-upcoming-debut-album-from-kk-s-priest-it-has-the-aggression-right-out-of-the-gate-but-it-also-has-the-classic-k-k-feel-as-well-audio
I know people have to make a living and all that. Heck there's like 3 Ratts and and 2 Great Whites (um..ONE was ONE too many)..And now we have Scottryche..
Anyway, Ripper says we have a "classic KK feel"? WTF is the classic KK feel. And calling it KK's Priest makes me lose all interest in this, honestly. That's fucking cheesy.
I agree and I loved KK but cmon KK this is just lame... He retired and should ahve just stayed retired no way is Richie leaving JP nor should he maybe Richie could be Glen live and KK could take over for Richie but even thats a real stretch
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So I've been thinking about this and I saw this story so I'm now motivated to post..
https://bravewords.com/news/tim-ripper-owens-on-upcoming-debut-album-from-kk-s-priest-it-has-the-aggression-right-out-of-the-gate-but-it-also-has-the-classic-k-k-feel-as-well-audio
I know people have to make a living and all that. Heck there's like 3 Ratts and and 2 Great Whites (um..ONE was ONE too many)..And now we have Scottryche..
Anyway, Ripper says we have a "classic KK feel"? WTF is the classic KK feel. And calling it KK's Priest makes me lose all interest in this, honestly. That's fucking cheesy.
I agree and I loved KK but cmon KK this is just lame... He retired and should ahve just stayed retired no way is Richie leaving JP nor should he maybe Richie could be Glen live and KK could take over for Richie but even thats a real stretch
There were some rumblings to that effect when Glenn made his announcement. Not from the band, but from fans hoping... (I wasn't one of them).
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Anyway, Priest probably is the best example of how those "this is the last lineup" things are just said when all is good and well, and when faced with the reality of a change, for musicians is hard to accept it's over.
Also I'm sure Glenn didn't want to go down in history as the guy who broke Priest up - hardly anyone would fault him for getting the disease, but still, I'm sure he's the first that doesn't want history books to read "Judas Priest retired after Glenn Tipton couldn't play any longer because of Parkinsons' disease". The life of a musician is all they know, and I'm sure there's many bands out there who will go on until they drop and will replace band members when needed.
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So I've been thinking about this and I saw this story so I'm now motivated to post..
https://bravewords.com/news/tim-ripper-owens-on-upcoming-debut-album-from-kk-s-priest-it-has-the-aggression-right-out-of-the-gate-but-it-also-has-the-classic-k-k-feel-as-well-audio
I know people have to make a living and all that. Heck there's like 3 Ratts and and 2 Great Whites (um..ONE was ONE too many)..And now we have Scottryche..
Anyway, Ripper says we have a "classic KK feel"? WTF is the classic KK feel. And calling it KK's Priest makes me lose all interest in this, honestly. That's fucking cheesy.
I agree and I loved KK but cmon KK this is just lame... He retired and should ahve just stayed retired no way is Richie leaving JP nor should he maybe Richie could be Glen live and KK could take over for Richie but even thats a real stretch
There were some rumblings to that effect when Glenn made his announcement. Not from the band, but from fans hoping... (I wasn't one of them).
yep I remember that bro... It sorta made some sense
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Been trying to come up with a top 10 or 15 Tipton solos. It's pretty clear cut I guess, but how to rank them is impossible.
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So I've been thinking about this and I saw this story so I'm now motivated to post..
https://bravewords.com/news/tim-ripper-owens-on-upcoming-debut-album-from-kk-s-priest-it-has-the-aggression-right-out-of-the-gate-but-it-also-has-the-classic-k-k-feel-as-well-audio
I know people have to make a living and all that. Heck there's like 3 Ratts and and 2 Great Whites (um..ONE was ONE too many)..And now we have Scottryche..
Anyway, Ripper says we have a "classic KK feel"? WTF is the classic KK feel. And calling it KK's Priest makes me lose all interest in this, honestly. That's fucking cheesy.
Whenever I see stuff like that this immediately comes to mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNWnX4a_fwc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNWnX4a_fwc)
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Update: I tried all three of these below.
Cathedral Spires
Feed on Me
Burn in Hell
Meh on all three. Sounded like generic metal tunes, with nothing special that made Priest great from the early days through Painkiller. Call it a mental block, but I can't get past Ripper Owens, as he comes off like too much of a Rob Halford wannabe. I never seem to like these singers who sound too similar to the guys they replaced (Priest, Styx, Queensryche, etc.). I get why bands hire new guys who sound like the prior singers, but they come off too much like a poor man's version most of the time. And a staple of classic Priest was always tasty metal solos that managed to wonderfully melodic and memorable as well, and I didn't hear any of that in these songs. Feed on Me almost felt like it was going that way for a few seconds there in the middle, but then they slowed it down and had some weird transition back to the vocals. Bummer.
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Update: I tried all three of these below.
Cathedral Spires
Feed on Me
Burn in Hell
Meh on all three. Sounded like generic metal tunes, with nothing special that made Priest great from the early days through Painkiller. Call it a mental block, but I can't get past Ripper Owens, as he comes off like too much of a Rob Halford wannabe. I never seem to like these singers who sound too similar to the guys they replaced (Priest, Styx, Queensryche, etc.). I get why bands hire new guys who sound like the prior singers, but they come off too much like a poor man's version most of the time. And a staple of classic Priest was always tasty metal solos that managed to wonderfully melodic and memorable as well, and I didn't hear any of that in these songs. Feed on Me almost felt like it was going that way for a few seconds there in the middle, but then they slowed it down and had some weird transition back to the vocals. Bummer.
Yeah I knew you’d be unimpressed. Generic as all hell. Could have been released by countless nameless metal bands.
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Update: I tried all three of these below.
Cathedral Spires
Feed on Me
Burn in Hell
Meh on all three. Sounded like generic metal tunes, with nothing special that made Priest great from the early days through Painkiller. Call it a mental block, but I can't get past Ripper Owens, as he comes off like too much of a Rob Halford wannabe. I never seem to like these singers who sound too similar to the guys they replaced (Priest, Styx, Queensryche, etc.). I get why bands hire new guys who sound like the prior singers, but they come off too much like a poor man's version most of the time. And a staple of classic Priest was always tasty metal solos that managed to wonderfully melodic and memorable as well, and I didn't hear any of that in these songs. Feed on Me almost felt like it was going that way for a few seconds there in the middle, but then they slowed it down and had some weird transition back to the vocals. Bummer.
I understand that. That's how I feel. I seem to spend more time picking apart where they do and don't sound alike that it overwhelms the music. "Hey, that little scream doesn't sound like Rob!" or "that legato part sounds just like Rob!" It's distracting to me. At least with Blaze, while I sometimes thought "It would be cool to hear Bruce sing that!" it was never really distracting.
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I think if it was really good, I wouldn't care nearly as much, but since it's not, it makes it a little easier to pick nits, ya know?
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I think if it was really good, I wouldn't care nearly as much, but since it's not, it makes it a little easier to pick nits, ya know?
Well, that's just it. For me, replacing these legends is more often than not lacking, so there's nothing left but to pick nits.
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I think if it was really good, I wouldn't care nearly as much, but since it's not, it makes it a little easier to pick nits, ya know?
Well, that's just it. For me, replacing these legends is more often than not lacking, so there's nothing left but to pick nits.
agreed I always want the original even if if they have lost a step, and its always the singer under the microscope , Id always want to see Zep with Plant, or Aero with Steven or Judas with Rob and QR with Geoff etc no matter if they cant do it like they once did thats why we have recordings or vids of the old stuff if we want that again.
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All done with KK, and the interview came out great! I mentioned to him that his new album is a call back to the 'Heavy Metal Parking Lot" days, and he loved to hear that.
one thing he told me about the Ripper years, which you guys are discussing right now: "the issue wasn't that Ripper was there, but the fact that Rob WASN'T".
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All done with KK, and the interview came out great! I mentioned to him that his new album is a call back to the 'Heavy Metal Parking Lot" days, and he loved to hear that.
one thing he told me about the Ripper years, which you guys are discussing right now: "the issue wasn't that Ripper was there, but the fact that Rob WASN'T".
Thats great Rod Ill look forward to the whole interview bro
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one thing he told me about the Ripper years, which you guys are discussing right now: "the issue wasn't that Ripper was there, but the fact that Rob WASN'T".
That's a great way to put it!
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Just picked up Rob's book from the town library! :metal
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All done with KK, and the interview came out great! I mentioned to him that his new album is a call back to the 'Heavy Metal Parking Lot" days, and he loved to hear that.
one thing he told me about the Ripper years, which you guys are discussing right now: "the issue wasn't that Ripper was there, but the fact that Rob WASN'T".
Did you already listened to the entire album? Are you allowed to share with us your general overview?
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All done with KK, and the interview came out great! I mentioned to him that his new album is a call back to the 'Heavy Metal Parking Lot" days, and he loved to hear that.
one thing he told me about the Ripper years, which you guys are discussing right now: "the issue wasn't that Ripper was there, but the fact that Rob WASN'T".
Did you already listened to the entire album? Are you allowed to share with us your general overview?
I had access to 5 songs, and they're a perfect bridge between early 80's Priest and the Ripper days.
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I had access to 5 songs, and they're a perfect bridge between early 80's Priest and the Ripper days.
So, this?
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/nintchdbpict000358953192.jpg)
;D
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I had access to 5 songs, and they're a perfect bridge between early 80's Priest and the Ripper days.
So, this?
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/nintchdbpict000358953192.jpg)
;D
Nailed it!
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:D :D Thanks, Rodrigo!
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All done with KK, and the interview came out great! I mentioned to him that his new album is a call back to the 'Heavy Metal Parking Lot" days, and he loved to hear that.
one thing he told me about the Ripper years, which you guys are discussing right now: "the issue wasn't that Ripper was there, but the fact that Rob WASN'T".
Did you already listened to the entire album? Are you allowed to share with us your general overview?
I had access to 5 songs, and they're a perfect bridge between early 80's Priest and the Ripper days.
Please tell me that the single is the worst of the bunch?
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Just picked up Rob's book from the town library! :metal
His book is one of the only musician's autobiographies that I couldn't put down. A lot of times, they're really boring as they talk about their childhood and growing up, but Rob's book didn't feel like that at all. He has some absolutely hilarious and lewd stories and some very sad and tragic ones too.
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Just picked up Rob's book from the town library! :metal
His book is one of the only musician's autobiographies that I couldn't put down. A lot of times, they're really boring as they talk about their childhood and growing up, but Rob's book didn't feel like that at all. He has some absolutely hilarious and lewd stories and some very sad and tragic ones too.
The best one I've read was Duff McKagen's first book. It was amazing. And also Alice Cooper's Golf Monster. I was literally laughing out loud with that one.
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My favourite is Paul Stanley's book, Face The Music. I recently re-read it, and I don't often do that.
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New KK tune!
https://bravewords.com/news/kk-s-priest-debut-sermons-of-the-sinner-music-video
Look, Ripper seems like a great guy and all, but I wish KK had someone else on this. And by someone else, I do NOT mean Ronnie Romero! :lol
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New KK tune!
https://bravewords.com/news/kk-s-priest-debut-sermons-of-the-sinner-music-video
Look, Ripper seems like a great guy and all, but I wish KK had someone else on this. And by someone else, I do NOT mean Ronnie Romero! :lol
HAHAHA, he does seem to be the "it" boy these days.
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New KK tune!
https://bravewords.com/news/kk-s-priest-debut-sermons-of-the-sinner-music-video
Look, Ripper seems like a great guy and all, but I wish KK had someone else on this. And by someone else, I do NOT mean Ronnie Romero! :lol
Fucking hell, this blows!! Ripper sounds shit and it's just generic as fuck. Not sure why the drummer is shirtless too. Plus the lead playing is terrible. KK isn't that great on these two songs but the other guitarist is fucking awful. I could even do a better job than this pleb I reckon, jeez!
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I think Ripper sounds ok but he clearly is at the very edge of his range and it sounds really forced.
Overall like Hellfire Thunderbolt I don't think it's a bad song but I expected something better from KK's big return to music. Musically it sounds like it could be any other band. Now I didn't expect it to sound like an old school priest record but if you're going to make your bandname reference your former band there should be at least some hints of JP in there.
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I don't know, I liked it. Seems exactly what I was expecting. Has that Ripper-era Priest vibe to me. Sounds like it could have fit in during his time with the band.
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I don't know, I liked it. Seems exactly what I was expecting. Has that Ripper-era Priest vibe to me. Sounds like it could have fit in during his time with the band.
I don't hear that at all.
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I liked the two song thus far, my only real complaint is that Ripper is too much over the top on both songs. He isn't reminding me Ripper from Jugulator neither Demolition neither Spirits of Fire honestly.
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It definitely reminds of Priest. But my opinion only, Ripper sounds whiny in this; Rob (the inevitable comparison) is such a powerful singer that this sounds thin, especially in the breakdown. I liked the solo after the breakdown. I gotta say, the video was cheese, and the verse vocal is the part of Rob's style I like least, but I found myself WANTING to hate it more than I actually did. The breakdown part was actually pretty cool and very Priest-like. I still don't think I'm ever going to listen to this again - why listen to a Priest knock off when I can dive right into the real thing - but it's not as bad as I had feared.
Having said that, this bugged me (from the article): Downing says “The song and title track 'Sermons Of The Sinner' epitomizes the whole album in one just song. It is all-encompassing with its tribute to the history of our beloved genre of music, while updating the details for today’s audience. In the song and video we not only extend our humble gratitude to loyal fans of classic rock and metal but also present a subtle warning about the future of the genre. We are very hopeful that the song and album Sermons of the Sinner will inspire young and older musicians alike to pick up their instruments and keep alive the rock music that so many of us have become a part of, and that has become such a part of us."
I get aspiring to high goals, but the whole "carrying the flag" thing is getting really tired and lame, IMO. Between this shit and Eddie Trunk, you'd think hard rock and heavy metal was a dying, extinct artform, and I'm just not seeing that. GnR is touring stadiums on their name alone, as is Metallica, Maiden and Priest are both active and putting out (high quality) new music, Kiss is touring with a vengeance, Michael Schenker is on a fucking whirlwind career tail at this point, putting out some of the best music of his career, even Blackmore hung up the lute and the harp and put on a couple decent electric shows... just who are you "saving" us from?!?
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There's nothing special about it. The Intro was interesting but that gets abandoned for a typical metal riff and those annoying screechy vocals that only a dog can hear. I've never been a Ripper fan - it's all so one dimensional.
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It definitely reminds of Priest. But my opinion only, Ripper sounds whiny in this; Rob (the inevitable comparison) is such a powerful singer that this sounds thin, especially in the breakdown. I liked the solo after the breakdown. I gotta say, the video was cheese, and the verse vocal is the part of Rob's style I like least, but I found myself WANTING to hate it more than I actually did. The breakdown part was actually pretty cool and very Priest-like. I still don't think I'm ever going to listen to this again - why listen to a Priest knock off when I can dive right into the real thing - but it's not as bad as I had feared.
Having said that, this bugged me (from the article): Downing says “The song and title track 'Sermons Of The Sinner' epitomizes the whole album in one just song. It is all-encompassing with its tribute to the history of our beloved genre of music, while updating the details for today’s audience. In the song and video we not only extend our humble gratitude to loyal fans of classic rock and metal but also present a subtle warning about the future of the genre. We are very hopeful that the song and album Sermons of the Sinner will inspire young and older musicians alike to pick up their instruments and keep alive the rock music that so many of us have become a part of, and that has become such a part of us."
I get aspiring to high goals, but the whole "carrying the flag" thing is getting really tired and lame, IMO. Between this shit and Eddie Trunk, you'd think hard rock and heavy metal was a dying, extinct artform, and I'm just not seeing that. GnR is touring stadiums on their name alone, as is Metallica, Maiden and Priest are both active and putting out (high quality) new music, Kiss is touring with a vengeance, Michael Schenker is on a fucking whirlwind career tail at this point, putting out some of the best music of his career, even Blackmore hung up the lute and the harp and put on a couple decent electric shows... just who are you "saving" us from?!?
I very much agree with all you say here...100%...(independently of how good/bad KK's Priest is)
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Here's my chat with KK - enjoy!!!!
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-kk-downing/
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Here's my chat with KK - enjoy!!!!
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-kk-downing/
Rodrigo, did you get a chat with any of the Helloween guys? Seems everyone and their brother interviewed one of them.
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Here's my chat with KK - enjoy!!!!
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-kk-downing/
Rodrigo, did you get a chat with any of the Helloween guys? Seems everyone and their brother interviewed one of them.
I wanted to, but didn't get any replies from my editor. When that happens, typically someone else in the team has taken the interview.
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I agree the song is pretty generic, but I think Ripper sounds amazing.
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Ya know, not that jazzed by the Turbo LP, but I bought the 30th Ann. deluxe version with the full show from Kansas City (NOT the same show as the Fuel For Life show on the Electric Eye DVD, and one of the shows that the previous remasters quoted). Holy crap. I don't care if it's doctored or not, it sounds PHENOMENAL. Especially the Defenders songs; Love Bites is amazing on this set, as is The Sentinel (which I love) and Freewheel Burning (which normally doesn't really do it for me). Rob is just so fucking good.
In the other thread about Viper King, we're talking about the generic nature of some singers, and for me Rob is the perfect blend. He's got that smooth silky voice when he needs it, he's got the deep raspy voice when he needs that, and he's got the upper register when he needs THAT.
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Ya know, not that jazzed by the Turbo LP, but I bought the 30th Ann. deluxe version with the full show from Kansas City (NOT the same show as the Fuel For Life show on the Electric Eye DVD, and one of the shows that the previous remasters quoted). Holy crap. I don't care if it's doctored or not, it sounds PHENOMENAL. Especially the Defenders songs; Love Bites is amazing on this set, as is The Sentinel (which I love) and Freewheel Burning (which normally doesn't really do it for me). Rob is just so fucking good.
In the other thread about Viper King, we're talking about the generic nature of some singers, and for me Rob is the perfect blend. He's got that smooth silky voice when he needs it, he's got the deep raspy voice when he needs that, and he's got the upper register when he needs THAT.
Tim I think inspired me to purchase that deluxe version a year or so ago. That was indeed a great show included.
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https://www.loudersound.com/news/judas-priest-celebrate-50-heavy-metal-years-with-epic-42-disc-box-set
Judas Priest Reflections: 50 Heavy Metal Years Of Music
CD1: Rocka Rolla
CD2: Sad Wings of Destiny
CD3: Sin After Sin
CD4: Stained Glass
CD5: Killing Machine
CD6: Unleashed In the East (Live in Japan 1979)
CD7: British Steel
CD8: Point Of Entry
CD9: Screaming for Vengeance
CD10: Defenders of the Faith
CD11: Turbo
CD12 & CD13: Priest… Live!
CD14: Ram It Down
CD15: Painkiller
CD16: Jugulator
CD17 & CD18: ’98 Live Meltdown
CD19: Demolition
CD20 & CD21: Live in London
CD22: Angel of Retribution
CD23: Nostradamus (Act 1)
CD24: Nostradamus (Act 2)
CD25: A Touch Of Evil Live
CD26 & CD27: Redeemer of Souls
CD29: Firepower
CD30 & CD31: Live In Atlanta ’82 (Previously Unreleased)
CD32: Live At The Mudd Club ’79
CD33 & CD34: Live In Houston ’86
CD35 & CD36: Live In New Haven ’88
CD37: Los Angeles '90 (Previously Unreleased)
CD38: London '81(Previously Unreleased)
CD39: Denver '80 (Previously Unreleased)
CD40: Irvine '91 (Previously Unreleased)
CD41 & CD42: Beyond Live & Rare: Previously unreleased stereo recordings from the archives
I have every single CD up to Firepower including all the live stuff, but depending on price, I'm tempted to get this regardless. Concerts from the Ram it Down and Painkiller tours really interest me.
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IIRC, this is the first time that Rocka Rolla and Sad Wings have been included in an official set from the band. So that’s pretty cool.
I’m on the fence on this one. I’ve always been much bigger into Iron Maiden than Judas priest. Their catalog can be very spotty for me. But there’s much of this that I do not own and if the price was a reasonable “big bang for your buck“ I might be tempted to pull the trigger.
I’ve got a friend who thinks that the price tag is going to be $1000. But I’m hoping it’s gonna be more around 500.
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Don't see many takers at 1000 bucks. Won't be that high.
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Don't see many takers at 1000 bucks. Won't be that high.
Even though I’m only really into about 60% of Judas Priest’s material, I think I would pull the trigger if it was 300-400. If it were 500 I’d be tempted but not as sure.
42 discs is A LOT of material. But there’s also no DVDs and just a few cool trinkets. I think I’m going to be wishy-washy about this one. You might see me change my mind three or four times. LOL
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Don't see many takers at 1000 bucks. Won't be that high.
Even though I’m only really into about 60% of Judas Priest’s material, I think I would pull the trigger if it was 300-400. If it were 500 I’d be tempted but not as sure.
42 discs is A LOT of material. But there’s also no DVDs and just a few cool trinkets. I think I’m going to be wishy-washy about this one. You might see me change my mind three or four times. LOL
A couple of DVD's would have been nice for sure. I'll see the price before making a decision.
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I’d mostly be interested in that unreleased live stuff up til ‘88 or so.
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I'm mostly interested in discs 41 and 42 (along with 28, which apparently is a complete mystery), but the chances that I'd buy this are incredibly slim.
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I'm mostly interested in discs 41 and 42 (along with 28, which apparently is a complete mystery), but the chances that I'd buy this are incredibly slim.
Huh, good pickup.
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If they release a cheaper version with just the CDs but without all the autographs and stuff I may be interested but I can't justify spending that much.
Also I wonder if the songs from the SAW sessions will be on there. After reading about them in Halford's book I'd be really interested in hearing them.
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If they release a cheaper version with just the CDs but without all the autographs and stuff I may be interested but I can't justify spending that much.
Also I wonder if the songs from the SAW sessions will be on there. After reading about them in Halford's book I'd be really interested in hearing them.
All speculation, but I'll wait for the actual cost and decide from there.
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I don't know if the price is set in stone but you can pre-order the set on Priest's official store for 480$
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I don't know if the price is set in stone but you can pre-order the set on Priest's official store for 480$
Yowsers!! That's a bit steep IMO. Not sure how that would translate in Aussie dollars. I dare not check.
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I have this set, which does have Rocka Rolla and Sad Wings. It did omit the Ripper albums, but I already had those. It's from 2012.
https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Albums-Collection-Judas-Priest/dp/B006TZBGBW
I see no need to drop the cash on the new super set.
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I have this set, which does have Rocka Rolla and Sad Wings. It did omit the Ripper albums, but I already had those. It's from 2012.
https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Albums-Collection-Judas-Priest/dp/B006TZBGBW
I see no need to drop the cash on the new super set.
I stand corrected.
Did the band finally acquire the rights from Gull?
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I have this set, which does have Rocka Rolla and Sad Wings. It did omit the Ripper albums, but I already had those. It's from 2012.
https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Albums-Collection-Judas-Priest/dp/B006TZBGBW
I see no need to drop the cash on the new super set.
I stand corrected.
Did the band finally acquire the rights from Gull?
I have both on cd. Not sure off the top of my head the label but both are in digipak format with some notes.
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I have both as well, but they are older Gull pressings. I just remember when the big remaster releases rolled out, the first two weren’t included because the band didn’t have the rights to them.
I seem to remember a LOOONG time ago, the albums weren’t even included in the discography on their website for the same reason. But I know that changed.
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If they release a cheaper version with just the CDs but without all the autographs and stuff I may be interested but I can't justify spending that much.
Also I wonder if the songs from the SAW sessions will be on there. After reading about them in Halford's book I'd be really interested in hearing them.
I'm with you; I have zero use for the trinkets and shit at this point.
By the way, could CD28 be Battle Cry, the live album from the Redeemer tour?
I'm hoping that the last two CDs has the live single b-sides from the Unleashed period, and the SAW stuff. If it's just the bonus tracks on the remasters from... 2000 or so, then no thanks. I do want the live stuff, though...
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By the way, could CD28 be Battle Cry, the live album from the Redeemer tour?
Most likely.
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BTW, unless I missed it this was not disclosed yet:
CD41 & CD42 – Beyond Live & Rare
Previously unreleased stereo recordings from the archives
CD41
Epitaph (Studio Demo) Demo from 1976’s Sad Wings Of Destiny
Solar Angels (Live) July 22, 1981 – New York, NY – The Palladium
Sinner (Live) July 22, 1981 – New York, NY – The Palladium
Desert Plains (Live) July 22, 1981 – New York, NY – The Palladium
You Don’t Have To Be Old To Be Wise (Live) July 22, 1981 – New York, NY – The Palladium
Genocide (Live) May 09, 1978 – Cleveland, OH – Agora Theatre
Victim Of Changes (Live) May 09, 1978 – Cleveland, OH – Agora Theatre
Ripper (Live) May 09, 1978 – Cleveland, OH – Agora Theatre
Screaming For Vengeance (Live) November 24, 1982 – Tucson, AZ – Tucson Convention Center
The Green Manalishi (With The Two Pronged Crown) (Live) June 07, 1981 – Odessa, TX – Ector County Coliseum
Victim of Changes (Live) June 07, 1981 – Odessa, TX – Ector County Coliseum
CD42
Tyrant (Live) June 07, 1981 – Odessa, TX – Ector County Coliseum
Diamonds and Rust (Live) February 14, 1981 – Amsterdam, Netherlands – Jaap Edenhal
White Heat Red Hot (Live) July 29, 1978 – Tokyo, Japan – Yuubin Chokin Hall
Better By You Better Than Me (Live) July 29, 1978 – Tokyo, Japan – Yuubin Chokin Hall
Starbreaker (Live) July 29, 1978 – Tokyo, Japan – Yuubin Chokin Hall
Rock Forever (Live) Killing Machine Tour – February 09, 1979 – Tokyo, Japan – KÅÂÂÂÂÂ sei Nenkin Kaikan
Evil Fantasies (Live) Killing Machine Tour – February 09, 1979 – Tokyo, Japan – KÅÂÂÂÂÂ sei Nenkin Kaikan
Troubleshooter (Live) World Wide Blitz Tour – February 29, 1981 – Wiesbaden, Germany – Rhein-Main-Halle
Grinder (Live) World Wide Blitz Tour – February 29, 1981 – Wiesbaden, Germany – Rhein-Main-Halle
The Sentinel (Live) May 02, 1984 – Albuquerque, NM – Tingley Coliseum
Freewheel Burning (Live) May 02, 1984 – Albuquerque, NM – Tingley Coliseum
All Guns Blazing (Live) August 17, 1991 – Montreal, QC, Canada – Forum de Montreal
Painkiller (Live) March 26, 1991 – Sheffield, England – Sheffield City Hall
Mother Sun (Live) October 11, 1975 – Slough, England – Slough College
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I'm sure someone will give me shit for complaining about a 42-CD set, but this is what's maddening about Priest. They raise more questions than they solve. They include songs from Cleveland in '78, but we KNOW - because they've been released, albeit in limited form - that there are other songs - Beyond the Realms of Death and Starbreaker - from that show. NOT HERE. Evil Fantasies and BTROD from the the Japan shows (the album was from the evening show on the 10th of February, not the 9th) were released as b-sides, but NOT HERE.
I don't know; I'm a completist, so this bothers me a shade.
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I don't know if the price is set in stone but you can pre-order the set on Priest's official store for 480$
Yowsers!! That's a bit steep IMO. Not sure how that would translate in Aussie dollars. I dare not check.
A hair under 650 AUD (just based on the present conversion rate).
At the official Priest store, there is a $12 single CD set that has the following:
1. Let Us Prey / Call for the Priest
2. You Don't Have to Be Old to Be Wise
3. Fever
4. Eat Me Alive
5. All Guns Blazing
6. Never The Heroes
7. Dissident Aggressor (Live)
8. Out in the Cold (Live)
9. Judas Priest - Running Wild (Live)
10. Victim Of Changes (Live) (May 09, 1978 - Cleveland, OH - Agora Theatre)
11. The Green Manalishi (With the Two Pronged Crown) (Live) (Point of Entry ‘Worldwide Blitz’ Tour - Live in Hammersmith, London - November 21, 1981 - Foundations Forum - Hammersmith Odeon)
12. Bloodstone (Live) (Screaming For Vengeance World Vengeance Tour - Live in Atlanta, GA - December 11, 1982 - The Omni)
13. The Ripper (Live) (Irvine, CA - July 12, 1991 - Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre)
14. Beyond the Realms of Death (Live) (Killing Machine/Hell Bent For Leather Tour - Live In New York, NY - March 11, 1979 - The Mudd Club)
15. The Hellion / Electric Eye (Live) (Turbo ‘Fuel For Life’ Tour - Live In Houston, TX - June 21, 1986 - The Summit)
16. Sinner (Live) (Ram It Down ‘Mercenaries Of Metal’ Tour - Live In New Haven, CT - August 7, 1988 - New Haven Veterans Memorial Coliseum)
The first six tracks are remastered.
BTW, unless I missed it this was not disclosed yet:
CD41 & CD42 – Beyond Live & Rare
Previously unreleased stereo recordings from the archives
So...basically, random, mostly live stuff. Meh....
Doesn't really matter because there's no chance I'm paying nearly $500 for something where I already have a substantial chunk of it.
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By the way, could CD28 be Battle Cry, the live album from the Redeemer tour?
Most likely.
Ah yes, of course.
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BTW, unless I missed it this was not disclosed yet:
CD41 & CD42 – Beyond Live & Rare
Previously unreleased stereo recordings from the archives
CD41
Epitaph (Studio Demo) Demo from 1976’s Sad Wings Of Destiny
Solar Angels (Live) July 22, 1981 – New York, NY – The Palladium
Sinner (Live) July 22, 1981 – New York, NY – The Palladium
Desert Plains (Live) July 22, 1981 – New York, NY – The Palladium
You Don’t Have To Be Old To Be Wise (Live) July 22, 1981 – New York, NY – The Palladium
Genocide (Live) May 09, 1978 – Cleveland, OH – Agora Theatre
Victim Of Changes (Live) May 09, 1978 – Cleveland, OH – Agora Theatre
Ripper (Live) May 09, 1978 – Cleveland, OH – Agora Theatre
Screaming For Vengeance (Live) November 24, 1982 – Tucson, AZ – Tucson Convention Center
The Green Manalishi (With The Two Pronged Crown) (Live) June 07, 1981 – Odessa, TX – Ector County Coliseum
Victim of Changes (Live) June 07, 1981 – Odessa, TX – Ector County Coliseum
CD42
Tyrant (Live) June 07, 1981 – Odessa, TX – Ector County Coliseum
Diamonds and Rust (Live) February 14, 1981 – Amsterdam, Netherlands – Jaap Edenhal
White Heat Red Hot (Live) July 29, 1978 – Tokyo, Japan – Yuubin Chokin Hall
Better By You Better Than Me (Live) July 29, 1978 – Tokyo, Japan – Yuubin Chokin Hall
Starbreaker (Live) July 29, 1978 – Tokyo, Japan – Yuubin Chokin Hall
Rock Forever (Live) Killing Machine Tour – February 09, 1979 – Tokyo, Japan – KÅÂÂÂÂÂ sei Nenkin Kaikan
Evil Fantasies (Live) Killing Machine Tour – February 09, 1979 – Tokyo, Japan – KÅÂÂÂÂÂ sei Nenkin Kaikan
Troubleshooter (Live) World Wide Blitz Tour – February 29, 1981 – Wiesbaden, Germany – Rhein-Main-Halle
Grinder (Live) World Wide Blitz Tour – February 29, 1981 – Wiesbaden, Germany – Rhein-Main-Halle
The Sentinel (Live) May 02, 1984 – Albuquerque, NM – Tingley Coliseum
Freewheel Burning (Live) May 02, 1984 – Albuquerque, NM – Tingley Coliseum
All Guns Blazing (Live) August 17, 1991 – Montreal, QC, Canada – Forum de Montreal
Painkiller (Live) March 26, 1991 – Sheffield, England – Sheffield City Hall
Mother Sun (Live) October 11, 1975 – Slough, England – Slough College
Lol, one studio cut? :lol
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I don't know if the price is set in stone but you can pre-order the set on Priest's official store for 480$
Yowsers!! That's a bit steep IMO. Not sure how that would translate in Aussie dollars. I dare not check.
A hair under 650 AUD (just based on the present conversion rate).
At the official Priest store, there is a $12 single CD set that has the following:
1. Let Us Prey / Call for the Priest
2. You Don't Have to Be Old to Be Wise
3. Fever
4. Eat Me Alive
5. All Guns Blazing
6. Never The Heroes
7. Dissident Aggressor (Live)
8. Out in the Cold (Live)
9. Judas Priest - Running Wild (Live)
10. Victim Of Changes (Live) (May 09, 1978 - Cleveland, OH - Agora Theatre)
11. The Green Manalishi (With the Two Pronged Crown) (Live) (Point of Entry ‘Worldwide Blitz’ Tour - Live in Hammersmith, London - November 21, 1981 - Foundations Forum - Hammersmith Odeon)
12. Bloodstone (Live) (Screaming For Vengeance World Vengeance Tour - Live in Atlanta, GA - December 11, 1982 - The Omni)
13. The Ripper (Live) (Irvine, CA - July 12, 1991 - Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre)
14. Beyond the Realms of Death (Live) (Killing Machine/Hell Bent For Leather Tour - Live In New York, NY - March 11, 1979 - The Mudd Club)
15. The Hellion / Electric Eye (Live) (Turbo ‘Fuel For Life’ Tour - Live In Houston, TX - June 21, 1986 - The Summit)
16. Sinner (Live) (Ram It Down ‘Mercenaries Of Metal’ Tour - Live In New Haven, CT - August 7, 1988 - New Haven Veterans Memorial Coliseum)
The first six tracks are remastered.
BTW, unless I missed it this was not disclosed yet:
CD41 & CD42 – Beyond Live & Rare
Previously unreleased stereo recordings from the archives
So...basically, random, mostly live stuff. Meh....
Doesn't really matter because there's no chance I'm paying nearly $500 for something where I already have a substantial chunk of it.
Yeah no way I'm paying that.
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"lol, one studio cut?"
Yeah, precisely, it all feels so.... random. "So, we have to reach 50 discs somehow, we had these live songs here and there, listen to them I guess. Oh, we also found a demo, we might put it at the beginning since we're at it".
They're not even in chronological order, it's just a random collection of live leftovers, kinda meh.
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I wonder if the studio albums are the same as the remaster with the bonus studio songs or if it's just the original albums. Maybe there's no unreleased studio stuff left but that's hard to believe.
Off the top of my head I have a 2CD version of Demolition with a non album track and two re-records. Stuff li k e that you would have thought would be included here. The cd's are no doubt cardboard sleeves too I'd imagine.
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But guys! You get a dull razor blade!!!! :loser:
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But guys! You get a dull razor blade!!!! :loser:
Haha. Can't help but to feel this box is a real missed opportunity.
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But guys! You get a dull razor blade!!!! :loser:
Haha. Can't help but to feel this box is a real missed opportunity.
Yeah, 75 CD Box Set!
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But guys! You get a dull razor blade!!!! :loser:
Haha. Can't help but to feel this box is a real missed opportunity.
Yeah, 75 CD Box Set!
I mean, newer fans that are just getting into them it's wonderful. For us die hard that have everything, not so much.
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Were Brothers of the road and we rock!
https://youtu.be/9QYLAQ1q4RU
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Were Brothers of the road and we rock!
https://youtu.be/9QYLAQ1q4RU
Man! This new Manowar song ain’t half bad! At least with Manowar, you always know what you’re gett……
……oh.
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Were Brothers of the road and we rock!
https://youtu.be/9QYLAQ1q4RU
So good you had to post it in two threads? :lol
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Do you need to quote every time you reply to a post?
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Do you need to quote every time you reply to a post?
Yes. Problem?
I was having a joke mate, wasn't having a go at you. Apologies if it seems that way. I'll watch the quoting. Didn't realise that was an issue.
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That song feels like a parody of Judas Priest to be honest. Ripper really doesn't have the kind of charisma or subtlety to pull off one of these more understated tracks. He's in that edgy snarl mode all the time and I think that's what many people find grating about him.
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Bland. Not horrible, by why listen to that if you can listen to "Heading Out To The Highway"?
I am stunned at how much KK looks like Joe Namath, though. :)
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I am stunned at how much KK looks like Joe Namath, though. :)
Good call. :lol
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I was away on vacation and didn't really get a chance to hear the new KK until now and just like the other two I didn't think it was bad but it's on the bland side. I could've sworn Ripper used to have more variety in his voice. Maybe its like Brian Johnson who has been with AC/DC so long that it seems he can only sing that style now compared to his Geordie days.
Also while Halford's lyrics can be cheesy at times his stuff is usually is at least more creative than this. I know I should try and let the material stand on it's own instead of comparing it to priest but it's hard not to do so when its in the name.
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I was away on vacation and didn't really get a chance to hear the new KK until now and just like the other two I didn't think it was bad but it's on the bland side. I could've sworn Ripper used to have more variety in his voice. Maybe its like Brian Johnson who has been with AC/DC so long that it seems he can only sing that style now compared to his Geordie days.
Also while Halford's lyrics can be cheesy at times his stuff is usually is at least more creative than this. I know I should try and let the material stand on it's own instead of comparing it to priest but it's hard not to do so when its in the name.
I'm usually the guy that says take it on it's face, but every effort is being made to make this the counter-point to Priest, so I can't see any reason not to take them up on that.
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They just played their first show in 2 years and my god they aren't afraid to pull out these deep cuts lately. I bolded all the songs not played in at least 10 years
One Shot at Glory
Lightning Strike
You've Got Another Thing Comin'
Exciter
Turbo Lover
Hell Patrol
Halls of Valhalla
The Sentinel
Rocka Rolla
Victim of Changes
Desert Plains
A Touch of Evil
Dissident Aggressor
Blood Red Skies
Invader
Painkiller
The Hellion
Electric Eye
Hell Bent for Leather
Metal Gods
(with Glenn Tipton)
Breaking the Law
(with Glenn Tipton)
Living After Midnight
(with Glenn Tipton)
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Rocka rolla is an absolutely insane choice. :lol
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No lie, I might consider going just to see Rocka Rolla and Invader.
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One Shot at Glory! :o
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I hope at some point during the tour they add some Nostradamus. Halford even said in his book that they did the album a bit of a disservice by only doing 2 tracks from it during the tour. I feel like something from it deserves to be recognized for their 50th anniversary tour.
Also for a man who turns 70 in like a week he sure likes to punish himself by putting a bunch of difficult songs back to back.
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Some really good ones there. Unfortunately, they're playing in downtown LA on a Wednesday night, so that's not gonna happen.
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That is a bad ass set list. Always loved One Shot at Glory, and it's good to see it finally get played. They are coming here on the 25th next month, and I have been lukewarm on seeing them given the absence of Tipton and Downing, but I might have to rethink this one.
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I hope we get some footage of OSAG. To be fair, I don't see how they could do that justice, the ending is one of Robs finest moments and the solos are easily some of the most insane both KK and Glenn have done.
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I hope we get some footage of OSAG. To be fair, I don't see how they could do that justice, the ending is one of Robs finest moments and the solos are easily some of the most insane both KK and Glenn have done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7qzYC1bTM8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7qzYC1bTM8)
Rob does a fine job IMO but I hate that mic effect he's been using for at least a decade at this point.
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I hope we get some footage of OSAG. To be fair, I don't see how they could do that justice, the ending is one of Robs finest moments and the solos are easily some of the most insane both KK and Glenn have done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7qzYC1bTM8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7qzYC1bTM8)
Rob does a fine job IMO but I hate that mic effect he's been using for at least a decade at this point.
Sweet. Will check this out tonight.
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One Shot at Glory! :o
:metal That was my "go to" song on Painkiller back in the day
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One Shot at Glory! :o
:metal That was my "go to" song on Painkiller back in the day
Absolute banger. So damn underrated too.
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I hope we get some footage of OSAG. To be fair, I don't see how they could do that justice, the ending is one of Robs finest moments and the solos are easily some of the most insane both KK and Glenn have done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7qzYC1bTM8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7qzYC1bTM8)
Rob does a fine job IMO but I hate that mic effect he's been using for at least a decade at this point.
Well I'll be fucked, that was really good. Rob does sound great, even the outro he pulled off pretty well.
Credit to Richie on those solos too. Still stupid they've become a one lead player only band now, doesn't feel right but whatever.
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I hope we get some footage of OSAG. To be fair, I don't see how they could do that justice, the ending is one of Robs finest moments and the solos are easily some of the most insane both KK and Glenn have done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7qzYC1bTM8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7qzYC1bTM8)
Rob does a fine job IMO but I hate that mic effect he's been using for at least a decade at this point.
Well I'll be fucked, that was really good. Rob does sound great, even the outro he pulled off pretty well.
Credit to Richie on those solos too. Still stupid they've become a one lead player only band now, doesn't feel right but whatever.
I was enjoying the video so much it took me almost a whole minute to notice WTF Rob is wearing ...........that and the beard just looks off chops :lol Richie did a nice job.
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That beard makes JP jealous. ;D
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His beard is horrendous. :lol
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I've been spinning Firepower since early May. Still on an almost daily basis and I have to say, it may be my favorite Priest album. Crazy to even consider but I think it's that strong.
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That outfit is pretty tame by halford standards. Well at least compared to his necromancer outfit. (https://northeastrockreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Judas-Priest-5.16.19-3.jpg)
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Which song was this one?
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Word from The Walrus to the forum is that he really liked seeing Judas Priest live.
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Word from The Walrus to the forum is that he really liked seeing Judas Priest live.
I got the same impression; I understand he's going to a couple more shows, too. Better late than never!
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Word from The Walrus to the forum is that he really liked seeing Judas Priest live.
I got the same impression; I understand he's going to a couple more shows, too. Better late than never!
I'll be seeing the show when it comes to NJ, my first JP experience so hearing some good words is encouraging. I never got into JP and may not even be going if it wasn't for Sabaton opening. Now maybe they will win me over.
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Word from The Walrus to the forum is that he really liked seeing Judas Priest live.
I got the same impression; I understand he's going to a couple more shows, too. Better late than never!
I'll be seeing the show when it comes to NJ, my first JP experience so hearing some good words is encouraging. I never got into JP and may not even be going if it wasn't for Sabaton opening. Now maybe they will win me over.
It's kind of the opposite for me; I've seen Priest a lot, but I might go because I've heard good things about Sabaton.
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Word from The Walrus to the forum is that he really liked seeing Judas Priest live.
I got the same impression; I understand he's going to a couple more shows, too. Better late than never!
I'll be seeing the show when it comes to NJ, my first JP experience so hearing some good words is encouraging. I never got into JP and may not even be going if it wasn't for Sabaton opening. Now maybe they will win me over.
It's kind of the opposite for me; I've seen Priest a lot, but I might go because I've heard good things about Sabaton.
Sucks it looks like they didn't bring their arena stage set up with them. Was really hoping they'd go all out on this tour as it's really good exposure for them and they had just done a massive arena tour of Europe before covid hit. I know they are opener and all, but they finally got a big stage in the US to play on and no tank?! Having said that, their last US tour was almost 100% sold out from coast to coast of mostly GA venues, so this is not a bad opportunity to get a seat and just enjoy the show without dealing with the massive GA pits (if that's your thing and while I love the pits, I am very likely getting a seat for this show).
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Damn good show tonight.
Ended up deciding to go at the last minute, so I flew solo to this one. Didn't bother me as I got a ticket for $20 from a guy on the way in (I was waiting till I got there to buy a ticket to make sure my vaccination card worked since the expiration date on it is 7/2021 for some reason even though I got vaccinated in April of this year), and I ended up talking tunes with some peeps next to me before the set, so a good time was had. :metal :metal
I totally geeked out for Desert Plains and A Touch of Evil, and of course Victim of Changes is always killer. The instrumental section of Freewheel Burning still rocks my balls off as well.
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Man now I regret seeing them- that is a legit great setlist
Some great old cuts like Rocka Rolla and Invader are worth the price of admission- and Desert Plains is one of my favorites.
Wish they’d play more of Point of Entry though- Don’t Go, Hot Rockin, Headin out to the Highway; pleeease
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Man now I regret seeing them- that is a legit great setlist
Some great old cuts like Rocka Rolla and Invader are worth the price of admission- and Desert Plains is one of my favorites.
Wish they’d play more of Point of Entry though- Don’t Go, Hot Rockin, Headin out to the Highway; pleeease
Yeah, seeing them play Rocka Rolla was surreal. That first album seems so different from the rest of the classic era (1974-1990), but I am glad they played it.
I would have loved to have seen Solar Angels as well, but I don't need much more Point of Entry than that. :lol :P
The back to back of Blood Red Skies and Invader was really nice.
As much as many bag on Turbo, the crowd went crazy for it when Turbo Lover began.
And not sure if the crowd either didn't know or didn't care, but no Tipton and no Downing didn't really matter that much, I guess that shows the power of the brand name. It was called Judas Priest, you had Judas Priest songs, and you had the voice of Judas Priest, so everyone was happy.
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Damn Richie is having a serious heart issue and the entire tour is being postponed. Hope he is OK.
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Dang, that is awful. Hope he is okay!
I didn't mention in him my review the other day, but he did a damn good job on the classic Priest solos. He is a worthy replacement to the classic duo.
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Damn Richie is having a serious heart issue and the entire tour is being postponed. Hope he is OK.
Jesus, that doesn't sound good.
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Richie is in stable condition and resting after undergoing emergency heart surgery.
Hope recovery goes well the man has really put in a lot of work since joining the band.
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Richie is in stable condition and resting after undergoing emergency heart surgery.
Hope recovery goes well the man has really put in a lot of work since joining the band.
Do we know what the problem is/was?
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Richie is in stable condition and resting after undergoing emergency heart surgery.
Hope recovery goes well the man has really put in a lot of work since joining the band.
Do we know what the problem is/was?
I don't think we know anything more than this (from Priest's Facbook page and presumably also posted on its other social media): "It is with deep regret that we have to postpone the rest of our US Tour – Richie has major medical heart condition issues which have landed him in hospital where he is being treated – in the meantime we are all sending love to our Falcon to wish him a speedy recovery."
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Richie is in stable condition and resting after undergoing emergency heart surgery.
Hope recovery goes well the man has really put in a lot of work since joining the band.
Do we know what the problem is/was?
Latest update
JUDAS PRIEST guitarist Richie Faulkner reportedly underwent a "10-hour open-heart surgery" after suffering a "heart attack" following the band's performance at the Louder Than Life festival in Louisville, Kentucky on Sunday
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/judas-priests-richie-faulkner-reportedly-underwent-10-hour-open-heart-surgery-after-heart-attack/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/judas-priests-richie-faulkner-reportedly-underwent-10-hour-open-heart-surgery-after-heart-attack/)
He is stable and resting now.
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That's awful. I can't help to think what Richie gets up to though off stage. I mean, he's got some guitar videos on YouTube where he clearly looks totally off his face.
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Holy fuck.
Let's hope all goes well.
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Yeah, that's some scary shit.
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So... I imagine most of you won't care or will think it's generic as hell :D, but the KK's Priest album is already out.
After just two listens and I'm very pleased with the album. It has the classic Judas Priest feel and to me and doesn't have much to do with Jugulator neither Demoliton. Nothing in fact. I'm digging a lot the more elaborate songs like Sermons of the Sinner, Metal Through and Through and Return of the Sentinel, but I'm already liking the whole album, less that pointless album intro. By the way, the song Sermons of the Sinner clearly should have been the opener.
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Sermons of the Sinner
Return of the Sentinel
Real original titles there. :lol :lol
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So... I imagine most of you won't care or will think it's generic as hell :D, but the KK's Priest album is already out.
After just two listens and I'm very pleased with the album. It has the classic Judas Priest feel and to me and doesn't have much to do with Jugulator neither Demoliton. Nothing in fact. I'm digging a lot the more elaborate songs like Sermons of the Sinner, Metal Through and Through and Return of the Sentinel, but I'm already liking the whole album, less that pointless album intro. By the way, the song Sermons of the Sinner clearly should have been the opener.
I've listened to it and it's cool for what it is. Ripper sounds really good and it's just straight up classic metal.
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So... I imagine most of you won't care or will think it's generic as hell :D, but the KK's Priest album is already out.
After just two listens and I'm very pleased with the album. It has the classic Judas Priest feel and to me and doesn't have much to do with Jugulator neither Demoliton. Nothing in fact. I'm digging a lot the more elaborate songs like Sermons of the Sinner, Metal Through and Through and Return of the Sentinel, but I'm already liking the whole album, less that pointless album intro. By the way, the song Sermons of the Sinner clearly should have been the opener.
I tried the tracks they released and my big problem with it was Ripper. I’ve never liked anything he’s done. I might give the album a go this week as I’m laid following a medical procedure and have plenty of time.
I thought the tracks I’ve heard were well mixed.
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Sermons of the Sinner
Return of the Sentinel
Real original titles there. :lol :lol
What's next...Victim of the Ripper? Metal Gods United? Harder Than Iron?
:rollin
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:D :D :metal
Lowdz, to my ears this album sounds great indeed! And Ripper has some moments a bit... annoying? But I think they are not enough to take away my enjoyment of the album.
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Sermons of the Sinner
Return of the Sentinel
Real original titles there. :lol :lol
What's next...Victim of the Ripper? Metal Gods United? Harder Than Iron?
:rollin
:lol :lol
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Victim of the Ripper lol.
I honestly don't know how scared I'd be truthfully haha.
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So... I imagine most of you won't care or will think it's generic as hell :D, but the KK's Priest album is already out.
After just two listens and I'm very pleased with the album. It has the classic Judas Priest feel and to me and doesn't have much to do with Jugulator neither Demoliton. Nothing in fact. I'm digging a lot the more elaborate songs like Sermons of the Sinner, Metal Through and Through and Return of the Sentinel, but I'm already liking the whole album, less that pointless album intro. By the way, the song Sermons of the Sinner clearly should have been the opener.
I've listened to it and it's cool for what it is. Ripper sounds really good and it's just straight up classic metal.
+1
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Speaking of Ripper, pretty good interview with him here;
https://youtu.be/sWP2ameRmyc
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Sermons of the Sinner
Return of the Sentinel
Real original titles there. :lol :lol
What's next...Victim of the Ripper? Metal Gods United? Harder Than Iron?
:rollin
:lol :lol :lol :lol
We also need:
Redelivering the Goods
You've Got Yet Another Thing Coming
A Second Shot at Glory
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Still breaking that law would be a hit.
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Speaking of Ripper, pretty good interview with him here;
https://youtu.be/sWP2ameRmyc
That was a great interview.
I get what he means when he said, "You're not hearing Judas Priest, you're hearing K.K. Downing." Which does make sense as this is the first time K.K has done anything outside of Priest. It's only natural.
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Sermons of the Sinner
Return of the Sentinel
Real original titles there. :lol :lol
What's next...Victim of the Ripper? Metal Gods United? Harder Than Iron?
:rollin
:lol :lol :lol :lol
We also need:
Redelivering the Goods
You've Got Yet Another Thing Coming
A Second Shot at Glory
That got a legit laugh out loud.
I was going to go with "Devil's Grandchildren" myself, but still.
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Sermons of the Sinner
Return of the Sentinel
Real original titles there. :lol :lol
What's next...Victim of the Ripper? Metal Gods United? Harder Than Iron?
:rollin
:lol :lol :lol :lol
We also need:
Redelivering the Goods
You've Got Yet Another Thing Coming
A Second Shot at Glory
That got a legit laugh out loud.
I was going to go with "Devil's Grandchildren" myself, but still.
Haha, that's a good one. And if they need a slow tune, feels like it is time for:
After the Dawn
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Sermons of the Sinner
Return of the Sentinel
Real original titles there. :lol :lol
What's next...Victim of the Ripper? Metal Gods United? Harder Than Iron?
:rollin
:lol :lol :lol :lol
We also need:
Redelivering the Goods
You've Got Yet Another Thing Coming
A Second Shot at Glory
That got a legit laugh out loud.
I was going to go with "Devil's Grandchildren" myself, but still.
Devils Grandchildren. :lol
Brought to you by the band that brought you other hits hits like Some Wheelchairs Are Gonna Roll, Living After 4pm and Hipbreaker!
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You Do Have To Be Old To Be Wise
Better By You, Better Than...Wait Who Are You?
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Related:
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tim-ripper-owens-defends-kks-priests-cheesy-lyrics-cheese-got-me-nominated-me-for-a-grammy/
Well… to me, at least musically, from all the JP’s albums that KK has recorded after Painkiller, maybe this is the one that I liked most.
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I hated all of the singles, but I'll listen to the full thing at some point with fresh ears.
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Sermons of the Sinner
Return of the Sentinel
Real original titles there. :lol :lol
What's next...Victim of the Ripper? Metal Gods United? Harder Than Iron?
:rollin
:lol :lol :lol :lol
We also need:
Redelivering the Goods
You've Got Yet Another Thing Coming
A Second Shot at Glory
That got a legit laugh out loud.
I was going to go with "Devil's Grandchildren" myself, but still.
Devils Grandchildren. :lol
Brought to you by the band that brought you other hits hits like Some Wheelchairs Are Gonna Roll, Living After 4pm and Hipbreaker!
Or Delivering the Meds, Walking Wild, and Turning Circles (Because I Can't Remember Where I Was Going).
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I tried listening to KK's Priest once again last 2 mins then had to turn it off, must be me...?
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Taking the Goods Back (Because They Were the Wrong Size)
Light Duty (But Better Mileage)
Electric Monocle
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I tried listening to KK's Priest once again last 2 mins then had to turn it off, must be me...?
I wasn't much of a fan of Ripper Owens on the Priest albums he did, so I doubt I would like much of this either. I tend to very much a 1974-1990 guy when it comes to Priest anyway. I liked some songs from both 2005's Angel of Retribution and 2018's Firepower, but I rarely revisit any of them.
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I tried listening to KK's Priest once again last 2 mins then had to turn it off, must be me...?
I wasn't much of a fan of Ripper Owens on the Priest albums he did, so I doubt I would like much of this either. I tend to very much a 1974-1990 guy when it comes to Priest anyway. I liked some songs from both 2005's Angel of Retribution and 2018's Firepower, but I rarely revisit any of them.
I'm with you on that brother. Exactly me.
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Taking the Goods Back (Because They Were the Wrong Size)
Light Duty (But Better Mileage)
Electric Monocle
:rollin
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Holy crap. Really, just holy crap.
https://bravewords.com/news/judas-priests-richie-faulkner-posts-medical-update-im-literally-made-of-metal-now
“Maniacs…
“I’ve always been grateful for the opportunities I’ve been presented with. I’ve always considered myself THE most fortunate man ever - to be able to play my favourite music - with my favourite band - to my favourite people around the world…
“Today just being able to type this to you all is the biggest gift of all…
“As I watch footage from the Louder Than Life Festival in Kentucky, I can see in my face the confusion and anguish I was feeling whilst playing ‘Painkiller’ as my aorta ruptured and started to spill blood into my chest cavity….
“I was having what my doctor called an aortic aneurysm and complete aortic dissection.
“From what I’ve been told by my surgeon, people with this don’t usually make it to the hospital alive…..
“I was taken to nearby Rudd Heart & Lung Center and quickly went into what turned out to be a 10 ½ hour emergency open heart surgery.
“Five parts of my chest were replaced with mechanical components…..I’m literally made of metal now….
“It could have all ended so differently – we only had an hours set that night due to Metallica’s performance after us – and it does cross my mind if it was a full set, would I have played until total collapse…? If it hadn’t happened in such a high adrenaline situation would my body have been able to keep going long enough to reach the hospital…?
“The amazing Heart & Lung Center was 4 miles away from the gig site – if it had been further away……..
“We can always drive ourselves crazy with these things but I’m still alive thankfully. Whatever the circumstances, when watching that footage, the truth is, knowing what I know now, I see a dying man…..
“I’ve been moved to tears and humbled by friends, family, my fantastic band, crew and management and also you guys sending me videos and messages of love and support during the last week – I thank you all so much and although I have a recovery road ahead of me, as soon as I’m able to get up and running again, you’ll be the first to know and we’ll get back out there delivering the goods for you all….!
“One last thing maniacs, this came totally out of the blue for me – no history of a bad heart, no clogged arteries etc…my point is I don’t even have high cholesterol and this could’ve been the end for me. If you can get yourselves checked – do it for me please……
“Lots of love and see you down the front again soon….
“Richie…
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Wow! And he was fucking playing Painkiller of all songs.
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That's truly insane! :o
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Jesus Christ he's really lucky. Aortic dissections are deadly like 95% of the time. It's what killed John Ritter and most recently Berserk author Kentaro Miura. A lot of people don't even make it to the hospital.
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Wow, he is one lucky man. That is just crazy.
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Wow! And he was fucking playing Painkiller of all songs.
Sounds like he was lucky in so many ways. It just happened to be the last song of the set too? Perfect hospital close by. If he'd tried to play one more song that almost certainly was it for him.
Just glad he made it.
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He's basically the Christian Eriksen of metal.
For those of you who don't know, Eriksen is a footbal player that, during an Euro 2020 match, collapsed in the middle of the field, and was promptly cared for and basically brought back from death right then and there. If he had the heart failure at night or when he was alone at home, he would have died.
Basically Richie is alive because, in the sheer bad luck he had, he was lucky that the events allowed for him to be taken swiftly care of. Geez, to go from Priest to Bruce Springsteen, it's really true that "one minute you're here, next minute you're gone", mh? scary....
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Wow!!
Glad that he's alive, and man he is the luckiest guy on planet earth! He is alive thanks to a combination of highly improbable circumstances. High adrenaline from the show, Medical center nearby, medical staff nearby...
So glad he made it!
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So glad that Richie is ok! :hefdaddy
About KK's Priest, i tried, but it does nothing for me. I usually like Ripper's vocals, but he's sounding really "tired" or "restrained" to me here. Hard pass on the album.
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“As I watch footage from the Louder Than Life Festival in Kentucky, I can see in my face the confusion and anguish I was feeling whilst playing ‘Painkiller’ as my aorta ruptured and started to spill blood into my chest cavity….
I can't even IMAGINE what that feeling must have been like to look back on that happening to you.
That's what took John Ritter from us, as well.
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Crazy story and a miracle he's alive
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So... I imagine most of you won't care or will think it's generic as hell :D, but the KK's Priest album is already out.
After just two listens and I'm very pleased with the album. It has the classic Judas Priest feel and to me and doesn't have much to do with Jugulator neither Demoliton. Nothing in fact. I'm digging a lot the more elaborate songs like Sermons of the Sinner, Metal Through and Through and Return of the Sentinel, but I'm already liking the whole album, less that pointless album intro. By the way, the song Sermons of the Sinner clearly should have been the opener.
I've listened to it and it's cool for what it is. Ripper sounds really good and it's just straight up classic metal.
Listening to this now and I really am enjoying it. Ripper sounds excellent and this is well mixed. The bass is nice and audible and the dude is pretty good. Just classic metal with a heavier tinge and the cheesy lyrics that Ripper was talking about. For what it is, this hits the spot. I'd like to hear Ripper on material more like this.
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Watching the vid of the incident, Richie absolutely nails the solos. Quite incredible.
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I am praying hard for Richie!!! Once again this is VERY personal to me. Last year when covid was at its peak my 20 year old son had open heart surgery to replace an aortic valve. I couldn’t even be in the hospital because of covid, it was awful. The surgery was 9 hours, he was on bypass the entire time with his heart being fixed while it was on the table next to him. I sat home getting updates on the phone not knowing if my son was going to wake up from this, I could barely breathe until he woke up. Here we are over a year later and he is still recovering but doing well. My love and positive energy are with Richie and his loved ones. ❤️❤️💪🙏✊🤟
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I am praying hard for Richie!!! Once again this is VERY personal to me. Last year when covid was at its peak my 20 year old son had open heart surgery to replace an aortic valve. I couldn’t even be in the hospital because of covid, it was awful. The surgery was 9 hours, he was on bypass the entire time with his heart being fixed while it was on the table next to him. I sat home getting updates on the phone not knowing if my son was going to wake up this, I could barely breathe until he woke up. Here we are over a year later and he is still recovering but doing well. My love and positive energy are with Richie and his loved ones. ❤️❤️💪🙏✊🤟
Goddamn, man! That was excruciating just to read. That is fucked that you couldn't be there. Fucked.
How's he doing now?
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I am praying hard for Richie!!! Once again this is VERY personal to me. Last year when covid was at its peak my 20 year old son had open heart surgery to replace an aortic valve. I couldn’t even be in the hospital because of covid, it was awful. The surgery was 9 hours, he was on bypass the entire time with his heart being fixed while it was on the table next to him. I sat home getting updates on the phone not knowing if my son was going to wake up this, I could barely breathe until he woke up. Here we are over a year later and he is still recovering but doing well. My love and positive energy are with Richie and his loved ones. ❤️❤️💪🙏✊🤟
Goddamn, man! That was excruciating just to read. That is fucked that you couldn't be there. Fucked.
How's he doing now?
He physically healed well but I didn’t realize open heart surgery causes hormonal changes and he is struggling emotionally. On top of that my father who he was very close with passed away from brain cancer only weeks before this. Thank you for showing the love! Seeing your child suffer is completely shattering.
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Damn, that was hard to read. Well wishes from me as well, Glasser.
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Damn, that was hard to read. Well wishes from me as well, Glasser.
Thank you! Much Love to you as well! I did not mean to make this thread about my son as I am such a fan of Richie, I just feel the pain he and his family are going through. He is so lucky to be alive. I’m sure he looks at life in a different light as my son and my family does. ❤️🩹❤️
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No worries! These are tough times for many, and I doubt anyone has an issue with occasional tangents about life. :tup :tup
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Damn, that was hard to read. Well wishes from me as well, Glasser.
Thank you! Much Love to you as well! I did not mean to make this thread about my son as I am such a fan of Richie, I just feel the pain he and his family are going through. He is so lucky to be alive. I’m sure he looks at life in a different light as my son and my family does. ❤️🩹❤️
God damn mate. I don't have children and that was tough to read. I hope he keeps fighting on and recovering well and lots of thoughts from all of your friends here!
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Damn, that was hard to read. Well wishes from me as well, Glasser.
Thank you! Much Love to you as well! I did not mean to make this thread about my son as I am such a fan of Richie, I just feel the pain he and his family are going through. He is so lucky to be alive. I’m sure he looks at life in a different light as my son and my family does. ❤️🩹❤️
God damn mate. I don't have children and that was tough to read. I hope he keeps fighting on and recovering well and lots of thoughts from all of your friends here!
Thank you Wolfking! THIS is the kindness and caring the world needs and I found it here with all of you. I’m so glad and lucky to have new friends here. ❤️🤟
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https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/judas-priests-rob-halford-quietly-battled-prostate-cancer-during-pandemic/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/judas-priests-rob-halford-quietly-battled-prostate-cancer-during-pandemic/)
Halford also apparently diagnosed with cancer during the pandemic. Thankfully he's in the clear now but add that to the list of bad luck the band has had the past few years.
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Good God, that was terrifying.
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I guess this means Richie's recovery is going well:
(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/261706988_10159456965673965_9104988752714845015_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=X3OMgoGpQRwAX9Mk-EG&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=b25538da841fbb1c81a8c714674bdac1&oe=61A940CC)
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'Push Comes To Shove' (Bad Penny feat. ROB HALFORD & MILITIA VOX)
https://youtu.be/a6R2wFIiOQI
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Yeah, if you've only got one guitarist you're simply not Judas Priest anymore.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/judas-priest-to-tour-as-quartet-while-former-touring-guitarist-andy-sneap-focuses-on-his-production-work/
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So, founding member Glenn Tipton has heath issues after 258 years with the band = they get a touring guitarist
Touring guitarist who was just an help goes back to being a producer = he doesn't get replaced
Like, seriously?
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Wow...I'd have to give it some thought, but I'd be hard pressed to come up with a Priest set list that would legitimately work with only one guitar. Even if Ian Hill started playing with more distortion or used an 8-string bass, there'd still be no way to recreate the harmony guitar parts that are a HUGE part of Priest's arsenal. Really, the only way to do it would be to have a backing track live, which would be LAME.
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Absolutely ridiculous. Time to suck it up, get off your high horses and let KK back in the band.
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Absolutely ridiculous. Time to suck it up, get off your high horses and let KK back in the band.
I think Kenny done set fire to that bridge. Maybe it might have happened had he not spent the last 4 years shooting his mouth off about them, but not now. To be fair, I like the guy a lot, and I'd probably be more interested in seeing his band than the authentic-pseudo-Priest, but he hasn't exactly been diplomatic. :lol
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Why couldn't they just get someone else and someone who can play? This doesn't make a lot of sense. It was a missed opportunity getting Sneap anyway.
Hey lads, I'll do it, sign me up!
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This One guitarist bullshit will not last. Guaranteed.
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Absolutely ridiculous. Time to suck it up, get off your high horses and let KK back in the band.
I think Kenny done set fire to that bridge. Maybe it might have happened had he not spent the last 4 years shooting his mouth off about them, but not now. To be fair, I like the guy a lot, and I'd probably be more interested in seeing his band than the authentic-pseudo-Priest, but he hasn't exactly been diplomatic. :lol
It's a weird dynamic for sure; I read an article about KK in a recent Guitar World, and it's bizarre. It's like Priest WANT to be AC/DC, Maiden and Tool with the secrecy and dealing with things "in house", but they can't pull it off credibly. And it's hard to know where to place the blame/credit. If there WAS one leader, by all accounts it was Glenn. So with him removed from the situation, it's hard to say what's the real story behind. Rob is by all accounts a decent guy with an eye to the big picture; I know Ian handles all the business stuff, so maybe it's him. I don't know.
I know Richie is a good guitar player, but I have no interest in this. I'm with you, El Barto; get Les Binks back in KK's Priest and I'd go see that in a small club for sure.
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Andy Sneap just released a statement saying that he wasn't part of the decision and is disappointed, despite knowing that he was always just a temporary replacement.
This all reads like the band wants to save money by cutting a position out of their lineup because touring revenue is down from the last two years. Assuming they don't hire a second touring guitarist, then they'll just play along to a backing track.
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Andy Sneap just released a statement saying that he wasn't part of the decision and is disappointed, despite knowing that he was always just a temporary replacement.
This all reads like the band wants to save money by cutting a position out of their lineup because touring revenue is down from the last two years. Assuming they don't hire a second touring guitarist, then they'll just play along to a backing track.
Yeah, I just saw that. The earlier report made it look like Sneap was backing out. And honestly, that's about the only real explanation for this.
And it's hard to know where to place the blame/credit. If there WAS one leader, by all accounts it was Glenn. So with him removed from the situation, it's hard to say what's the real story behind. Rob is by all accounts a decent guy with an eye to the big picture; I know Ian handles all the business stuff, so maybe it's him. I don't know.
Tipton is Judas Priest, even now. He's cowriting the albums. He's in all the promotional art. He's still showing up on tour with them. And as far as I know Jayne Andrews still manages them, so the power dynamic hasn't changed. That's also why Kenny will not be part of the picture.
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A lot of people often talk about Maiden and Priest and just why the Irons are on another level to JP.
Can you imagine IM going on tour with only one guitarist?
Maiden's management has mostly (Blaze?) made spot on decisions throughout their career.
This decision makes no sense at all, and given that Richie might not be in the best of health either.
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A lot of people often talk about Maiden and Priest and just why the Irons are on another level to JP.
Can you imagine IM going on tour with only one guitarist?
Maiden's management has mostly (Blaze?) made spot on decisions throughout their career.
This decision makes no sense at all, and given that Richie might not be in the best of health either.
Been thinking about this.
Comparing the bands, Judas Priest is also older. Who knows what will happen health wise to Iron Maiden, and what predicament that may put Steve, Bruce, and Rod in.
Rob and Ian cannot need the money, I wouldn't think. Perhaps they're performing because they want to. It's what they do.
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Rob and Ian cannot need the money, I wouldn't think. Perhaps they're performing because they want to. It's what they do.
I'm certain Rob doesn't. Ian, on the other hand, receives no publishing income, so he only gets paid from album and merch sales and touring (although at this point, the number of people getting a piece of that pie is down to 3).
The public Rob Halford is a bit of a character/caricature, but the man is humble and genuinely loves what he does and the fans.
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But they could get a decent fill in at bargain price. Its Judas Priest ffs! I'll do it for free food backstage after the shows.
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But they could get a decent fill in at bargain price. Its Judas Priest ffs! I'll do it for free food backstage after the shows.
I was actually going to suggest this earlier. Not only could you do it, but you'd probably learn what you don't already know in two weeks. They're going to spend two months figuring out how to play Electric Eye with only one guitar. It would be dirt cheap and a helluva lot easier to find a fill in.
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But they could get a decent fill in at bargain price. Its Judas Priest ffs! I'll do it for free food backstage after the shows.
I was actually going to suggest this earlier. Not only could you do it, but you'd probably learn what you don't already know in two weeks. They're going to spend two months figuring out how to play Electric Eye with only one guitar. It would be dirt cheap and a helluva lot easier to find a fill in.
I'd quit my job right now and literally do it for free. Fuck, I may even pay them! :lol
What about Halfords pals, Pat Lachlan, Roy Z, Metal Mike. All 3 would be a perfect fill in.
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But they could get a decent fill in at bargain price. Its Judas Priest ffs! I'll do it for free food backstage after the shows.
I was actually going to suggest this earlier. Not only could you do it, but you'd probably learn what you don't already know in two weeks. They're going to spend two months figuring out how to play Electric Eye with only one guitar. It would be dirt cheap and a helluva lot easier to find a fill in.
I'd quit my job right now and literally do it for free. Fuck, I may even pay them! :lol
We should start a petition to get Wolfking in as Judas Priest's touring guitarist. :metal
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But they could get a decent fill in at bargain price. Its Judas Priest ffs! I'll do it for free food backstage after the shows.
I was actually going to suggest this earlier. Not only could you do it, but you'd probably learn what you don't already know in two weeks. They're going to spend two months figuring out how to play Electric Eye with only one guitar. It would be dirt cheap and a helluva lot easier to find a fill in.
I'd quit my job right now and literally do it for free. Fuck, I may even pay them! :lol
We should start a petition to get Wolfking in as Judas Priest's touring guitarist. :metal
I never heard him play a lick, but screw it, I'm in, that would rule. After that happens we can petition to get Jingle Boy as the new Haken keyboardist.
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But they could get a decent fill in at bargain price. Its Judas Priest ffs! I'll do it for free food backstage after the shows.
I was actually going to suggest this earlier. Not only could you do it, but you'd probably learn what you don't already know in two weeks. They're going to spend two months figuring out how to play Electric Eye with only one guitar. It would be dirt cheap and a helluva lot easier to find a fill in.
I'd quit my job right now and literally do it for free. Fuck, I may even pay them! :lol
We should start a petition to get Wolfking in as Judas Priest's touring guitarist. :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpnaRZZ992Q
:metal :metal :metal
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But they could get a decent fill in at bargain price. Its Judas Priest ffs! I'll do it for free food backstage after the shows.
I was actually going to suggest this earlier. Not only could you do it, but you'd probably learn what you don't already know in two weeks. They're going to spend two months figuring out how to play Electric Eye with only one guitar. It would be dirt cheap and a helluva lot easier to find a fill in.
I'd quit my job right now and literally do it for free. Fuck, I may even pay them! :lol
What about Halfords pals, Pat Lachlan, Roy Z, Metal Mike. All 3 would be a perfect fill in.
Damn dude! You are solid, tight man!! During the solo in Electric Eye its so perfect to audio behind you it sounds like a harmonizer at times. You got chops man!
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But they could get a decent fill in at bargain price. Its Judas Priest ffs! I'll do it for free food backstage after the shows.
I was actually going to suggest this earlier. Not only could you do it, but you'd probably learn what you don't already know in two weeks. They're going to spend two months figuring out how to play Electric Eye with only one guitar. It would be dirt cheap and a helluva lot easier to find a fill in.
I'd quit my job right now and literally do it for free. Fuck, I may even pay them! :lol
We should start a petition to get Wolfking in as Judas Priest's touring guitarist. :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpnaRZZ992Q
:metal :metal :metal
Very impressed! So smooth! Chris Brooks watch ya back dude!
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Thanks man. I think All Guns Blazing is my best one.
https://youtu.be/EUTGzqeFrrY
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But they could get a decent fill in at bargain price. Its Judas Priest ffs! I'll do it for free food backstage after the shows.
I was actually going to suggest this earlier. Not only could you do it, but you'd probably learn what you don't already know in two weeks. They're going to spend two months figuring out how to play Electric Eye with only one guitar. It would be dirt cheap and a helluva lot easier to find a fill in.
I'd quit my job right now and literally do it for free. Fuck, I may even pay them! :lol
We should start a petition to get Wolfking in as Judas Priest's touring guitarist. :metal
I never heard him play a lick, but screw it, I'm in, that would rule. After that happens we can petition to get Jingle Boy as the new Haken keyboardist.
Where do I sign?
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So you got the chops (that Electric Eye gave me chills; that's one of my favorite Priest tunes), but we need to know if you can hang with the band on stage. Send us some photos of you dressed like KK on the Fuel For Life tour. :)
(https://i.imgur.com/FX72BMf.jpg)
(And even if you don't get the gig, we can hold those over your head for years to come!)
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Thanks man. I think All Guns Blazing is my best one.
https://youtu.be/EUTGzqeFrrY
Props man. That shit ain't easy.
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Rob and Ian cannot need the money, I wouldn't think. Perhaps they're performing because they want to. It's what they do.
I'm certain Rob doesn't. Ian, on the other hand, receives no publishing income, so he only gets paid from album and merch sales and touring (although at this point, the number of people getting a piece of that pie is down to 3).
The public Rob Halford is a bit of a character/caricature, but the man is humble and genuinely loves what he does and the fans.
I was going to say that we should all blame Ian Hill for this. :lol KK wrote about that in his book, that Ian truly needs touring income in order to earn a living.
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So you got the chops (that Electric Eye gave me chills; that's one of my favorite Priest tunes), but we need to know if you can hang with the band on stage. Send us some photos of you dressed like KK on the Fuel For Life tour. :)
(https://i.imgur.com/FX72BMf.jpg)
(And even if you don't get the gig, we can hold those over your head for years to come!)
Am I the only one who watched this with disappointment that WK doesn't look like one of the guys in Winger?
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So you got the chops (that Electric Eye gave me chills; that's one of my favorite Priest tunes), but we need to know if you can hang with the band on stage. Send us some photos of you dressed like KK on the Fuel For Life tour. :)
(https://i.imgur.com/FX72BMf.jpg)
(And even if you don't get the gig, we can hold those over your head for years to come!)
Am I the only one who watched this with disappointment that WK doesn't look like one of the guys in Winger?
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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So you got the chops (that Electric Eye gave me chills; that's one of my favorite Priest tunes), but we need to know if you can hang with the band on stage. Send us some photos of you dressed like KK on the Fuel For Life tour. :)
(https://i.imgur.com/FX72BMf.jpg)
(And even if you don't get the gig, we can hold those over your head for years to come!)
Thanks Bill.
Where do I get me some of those sunnies? :lol
So you got the chops (that Electric Eye gave me chills; that's one of my favorite Priest tunes), but we need to know if you can hang with the band on stage. Send us some photos of you dressed like KK on the Fuel For Life tour. :)
(https://i.imgur.com/FX72BMf.jpg)
(And even if you don't get the gig, we can hold those over your head for years to come!)
Am I the only one who watched this with disappointment that WK doesn't look like one of the guys in Winger?
Yes. I'm very disappointed actually. :lol
Thanks man. I think All Guns Blazing is my best one.
https://youtu.be/EUTGzqeFrrY
Props man. That shit ain't easy.
Cheers mate. Yeah, an underrated and technically outstanding solo.
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So you got the chops (that Electric Eye gave me chills; that's one of my favorite Priest tunes), but we need to know if you can hang with the band on stage. Send us some photos of you dressed like KK on the Fuel For Life tour. :)
(https://i.imgur.com/FX72BMf.jpg)
(And even if you don't get the gig, we can hold those over your head for years to come!)
Thanks Bill.
Where do I get me some of those sunnies? :lol
So you got the chops (that Electric Eye gave me chills; that's one of my favorite Priest tunes), but we need to know if you can hang with the band on stage. Send us some photos of you dressed like KK on the Fuel For Life tour. :)
(https://i.imgur.com/FX72BMf.jpg)
(And even if you don't get the gig, we can hold those over your head for years to come!)
Am I the only one who watched this with disappointment that WK doesn't look like one of the guys in Winger?
Yes. I'm very disappointed actually. :lol
Thanks man. I think All Guns Blazing is my best one.
https://youtu.be/EUTGzqeFrrY
Props man. That shit ain't easy.
Cheers mate. Yeah, an underrated and technically outstanding solo.
Darn! I thought wolfking was Reb Beach! :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Reb has a lot more hair than me these days so definitely not. :lol
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Damn, look at you shred :metal
Also, this single guitarist thing seems so weird to me for such a band. ??? I'm not a big enough fan to know or possibly understand the decision, but considering the guitarists who would jump at the opportunity including former member/s, it just feels cheap in a way. Like I can't imagine IM ever going to 1 guitarist at any point.
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What's making me the saddest about the 4-member lineup is the possibility that they'll have canned rhythm and harmony guitar parts (either just during the solos or throughout). If this is what they're planning to pull, it's using a whole tour as a middle finger to KK's undiplomatic ways. Just speculation, but it's hard to understand how else they're thinking of pulling this off.
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As I see it they have three options:
1. One guitar, drop all the harmonies, have less rhythm fills, in other words some songs are going to sound different.
2. Play to a backing track, which I am sure will go down like a lead balloon.
3. Have a roadie play some parts offstage.
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As I see it they have four options:
1. One guitar, drop all the harmonies, have less rhythm fills, in other words some songs are going to sound different.
2. Play to a backing track, which I am sure will go down like a lead balloon.
3. Have a roadie play some parts offstage.
4. Give Wolfking a ring.
Fixed that for you :biggrin:
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:metal
Cheers cram also!
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As I see it they have three options:
1. One guitar, drop all the harmonies, have less rhythm fills, in other words some songs are going to sound different.
2. Play to a backing track, which I am sure will go down like a lead balloon.
3. Have a roadie play some parts offstage.
2 and 3 would essentially be the same thing, though you've pretty much laid out the options.
My thinking also is if they do strictly go as a 4 piece, they might look at songs with less harmonies, extended lead parts etc? Might box them into of what they can play. Might see more simple straightforward numbers that won't sound too different with 1 guitar over 2.
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I can see them playing with a backing track of the second guitar. They were just on tour with Sabaton, who pipes in ALL of the keyboards and the crowd still goes berzerk for them.
It would be weird for Priest to only have one guitarist, while still having the sound of the second guitar coming through, but that seems to be the easiest solution for them if they want to save money. I just think it's dumb for a band that is known for having a twin guitar attack to only have one guitar.
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I just read somewhere that Glenn and Jayne Andrews are married? Is that true? I'm not a fan of the Priest way of doing business (I've written about that before). Even though Priest is a bit older, I always sort of equate them with Maiden, and for my money, Maiden is the way to do it, and Priest is the way NOT to do it. Whatever it is. :)
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Iron Maiden has basically always done everything right (save the occasional brain fart throughouth the '90s).
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I just read somewhere that Glenn and Jayne Andrews are married? Is that true? I'm not a fan of the Priest way of doing business (I've written about that before). Even though Priest is a bit older, I always sort of equate them with Maiden, and for my money, Maiden is the way to do it, and Priest is the way NOT to do it. Whatever it is. :)
I thought it was pretty common knowledge that they were a couple.
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I can see them playing with a backing track of the second guitar. They were just on tour with Sabaton, who pipes in ALL of the keyboards and the crowd still goes berzerk for them.
I think that all those bands that using keyboard/symphonic backing tracks live can get away with it and it's kind of accepted that they are needed.
Huge difference for a well established band of 50 years whose sound is built around twin guitars to have only one guitarist on stage, with another guitar being pumped through the PA.
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I can see them playing with a backing track of the second guitar. They were just on tour with Sabaton, who pipes in ALL of the keyboards and the crowd still goes berzerk for them.
I think that all those bands that using keyboard/symphonic backing tracks live can get away with it and it's kind of accepted that they are needed.
Huge difference for a well established band of 50 years whose sound is built around twin guitars to have only one guitarist on stage, with another guitar being pumped through the PA.
Agree. Totally different ballgame.
I even think way its worse than your Whitesnakes and your WASPs piping in backing vocals. A whole guitar line for an entire show is a joke.
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I can see them playing with a backing track of the second guitar. They were just on tour with Sabaton, who pipes in ALL of the keyboards and the crowd still goes berzerk for them.
I think that all those bands that using keyboard/symphonic backing tracks live can get away with it and it's kind of accepted that they are needed.
Huge difference for a well established band of 50 years whose sound is built around twin guitars to have only one guitarist on stage, with another guitar being pumped through the PA.
Agree. Totally different ballgame.
I even think way its worse than your Whitesnakes and your WASPs piping in backing vocals. A whole guitar line for an entire show is a joke.
...and Dream Theater :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn
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Yeah that's fair. What Whitesnake and WASP do is another level than DT though.
If you throw DT in youd have to throw Rush in too wouldn't you? Neither of what both those bands do have ever really bothered me though.
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I even think way its worse than your Whitesnakes and your WASPs piping in backing vocals. A whole guitar line for an entire show is a joke.
You sure you didn't mean to say lead vocals for WASP?
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I even think way its worse than your Whitesnakes and your WASPs piping in backing vocals. A whole guitar line for an entire show is a joke.
You sure you didn't mean to say lead vocals for WASP?
Yeah, I did kinda mean that for both bands actually thinking about it now. Whitesnake were almost as bad, but Reb did cover a lot.
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I can see them playing with a backing track of the second guitar. They were just on tour with Sabaton, who pipes in ALL of the keyboards and the crowd still goes berzerk for them.
I think that all those bands that using keyboard/symphonic backing tracks live can get away with it and it's kind of accepted that they are needed.
Huge difference for a well established band of 50 years whose sound is built around twin guitars to have only one guitarist on stage, with another guitar being pumped through the PA.
Agree. Totally different ballgame.
I even think way its worse than your Whitesnakes and your WASPs piping in backing vocals. A whole guitar line for an entire show is a joke.
Hey, I even said a sentence or two later that I think it's a dumb idea for Priest. But it is what I think will happen.
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Wait, one guitarist? Quartet? Wat?!
Even before Maiden, Judas Priest practically wrote the book on the dual guitar metal band format- it’s their trademark. Along with Rob Halford’s pipes, the guitar 1-2 punch was Priest- what made them special.
Time to get KK back, pay the man what he wants- and do one more world tour. Maybe even get Tipton to come out and play a solo or two during the encore. Or call up Michael Schenker or something, what the hell is he doing these day?
Either way, time to bury the hatchets (while there still IS time) and go out with some class, then call it a day. They had a damn good run.
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I think Ken has burned all his bridges with Priest, we really don't know what else went down that hasn't been publicised.
Halford has strangely been silent on social media since the news about Andy Sneap broke.
Plus he is pimping his comedy metal album that sounds like he wrote the music and lyrics as a teenager...
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New Halford album or you talking about KKs disappointing outing?
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I go both ways on the piping in, to be honest. I think it depends on the band and it depends on the show. Seeing a band like U2 or Pink Floyd in a baseball stadium, I can understand it. 60,000 people, it's probably a hits-laden show, the people need to hear what they expect to hear. Putting a layer of keyboards through the PA isn't going to kill anyone, especially since Bono is still going to Bono, and Gilmour is still going to Gilmour.
If I'm seeing a band like.... Rival Sons, or Slash with Myles, or any of the Portnoy/Morse collaborations, I'm not there for the same thing. I want to see those men, at that moment, playing their instruments as best they can. If they make a mistake, or flub a vocal, or miss a cue, that's part of the magic, and for a musician of that calibre, it's less about making mistakes than how you respond. I LOVE band trainwrecks, for precisely that reason. The bands I've been in universally suck, and if someone flubbed a note bad, or lost time, the only option was to stop, regroup and start over. These guys are masters; they figure out a way. Backing tracks, clicks, whatever, IMO limit those possibilities.
I'm not as big a Rush fan as some here, but I 100% tolerate whatever they feel they have to pipe in, because at the end of the day, it was still Neil being Neil, it was still Geddy playing everything except the roasting chickens in the backline, and Alex playing guitar. I'm cool with Kiss using keyboards and some vocals in the back, because of the spectacle, and that's still Gene croaking out Deuce for the 1000th time, and I don't think I've seen a Kiss show where he doesn't fuck something up (the best was at Madison Square Garden on the first reunion tour; I was right in front of him, he was standing up on a riser on the right and completely lost the track of the lyrics to Let Me Go, Rock And Roll; oddly, it was an amazing moment). I'm starting to turn on Marillion a little bit, because it seems that Mark Kelly's sole job now is triggering sounds, not playing keyboards, and it's getting a little TOO perfect.
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I go both ways on the piping in, to be honest.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Rob did too for a while.
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New Halford album or you talking about KKs disappointing outing?
AFAIK there is no new Halford, so definitely KK atrocious album.
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I go both ways on the piping in, to be honest.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Rob did too for a while.
You kill me. :)
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I think it depends on the band and it depends on the show.
For me, it's not so much the spectacle aspect of what's being piped in as it is the content.
Recorded backing vocals on a couple Rush songs? Sure. Iron Maiden with some recorded keyboard patches? That's fine because NO ONE is attending a Rush show for the epic three part harmony vocals or a Maiden show for Rudessian keyboarding. On the other hand, Yes using canned backing vocals would be unacceptable because that's a huge part of Yes's sound. Same goes for Priest. It's not some incidental rhythm guitar to fill out the sound for a band that only has one guitarists. As Volante noted, Priest wrote the book on the two-guitar attack in a metal band. Having Richie Faulkner stand at the edge of the stage playing half of a soaring harmony guitar part while the other part is being piped in is LAME.
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Or call up Michael Schenker or something, what the hell is he doing these day?
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/b01855c049e8d2164688a8907e4f2472/tumblr_pn3edpcJFB1vunbi2_1280.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/f0/97/76/f097762226dd944777c89fa619c1d2ec.jpg)
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Michael Schenker may be the most coveted guitar player on the planet. Ozzy wanted him, and I was listening to an interview yesterday with David Coverdale, and he wanted Michael to join Whitesnake around the time of Slide It In. I get that Coverdale is much maligned but I LOVE his voice. I would have REALLY liked to see what that would have sounded like. DC singing on Assault Attack? GTFO.
('course, all the titles would have to be different, adding a bunch of apostrophes and 12-year-old innuendo).
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I love that picture of Schenker and Tipton. As good as Schenker is, it seems like he's really listening to Glenn, taking it in. They're probably not even talking guitars but that's just what it looks like to me.
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I love that picture of Schenker and Tipton. As good as Schenker is, it seems like he's really listening to Glenn, taking it in.
Not understanding a word Glenn is saying.. :lol
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Or call up Michael Schenker or something, what the hell is he doing these day?
Opening for WASP and Armored Saint on the Texas leg of the upcoming tour. For that reason I'm feeling inclined to go and check it out now.
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Or call up Michael Schenker or something, what the hell is he doing these day?
Opening for WASP and Armored Saint on the Texas leg of the upcoming tour. For that reason I'm feeling inclined to go and check it out now.
Have you seen him live? He's been on fire lately. I am a disciple of those early MSG records (the first four), but really lost touch with him when he lost his way. The last couple studio records with Doogie White are solid as a rock, and live, he's as good as he ever was. You're in for a treat; the only downside is, as an opening act on a three-bill set, you're going to get 35, 40 minutes and that's not enough.
(Not for nothing, but I'm a bit surprised by that billing. Who's his band/singer? Is he doing that with Ronnie "I'm going to be the vocal Mike Portnoy" Romero?)
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Yes, it's Romero.
I downloaded their Wolverhampton show from October. It was actually really good. Some cool setlist choices.
Looking For Love, Red Sky, Rock You To The Ground..
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Who else wants to see TAC and Barto meet up in Texas and go to this show? :lol
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Who else wants to see TAC and Barto meet up in Texas and go to this show? :lol
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-16-2015/08m-sX.gif)
Our Texas trip just got blown up for this week. We are looking at May, and this time might be swinging through Dallas.
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I love that picture of Schenker and Tipton. As good as Schenker is, it seems like he's really listening to Glenn, taking it in.
Not understanding a word Glenn is saying.. :lol
:lol maybe that's it then.
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Who else wants to see TAC and Barto meet up in Texas and go to this show? :lol
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-16-2015/08m-sX.gif)
Our Texas trip just got blown up for this week. We are looking at May, and this time might be swinging through Dallas.
Ah...that sucks big time mate.
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Yeah, I posted about it in the I'm Going Somewhere Thread.
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Yeah, I posted about it in the I'm Going Somewhere Thread.
I guess I'm going somewhere myself then.
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Seems the situation has changed.
(https://scontent-hou1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/p235x350/271773967_488113386004221_4177338979270118885_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=4NIqF_VdvjoAX93Ybqp&_nc_ht=scontent-hou1-1.xx&oh=00_AT-wicHO1aK1_y5CZFQpByTLvBkBQMQ_N16jR9uu4DBnXg&oe=61E4A3B8)
That said, gods know what'll happen between now and November, so whether or not it even happens is anybody's guess.
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I did think it was weird that two of the biggest egos in hard rock were both opening for AS.
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Fuck I can't stand that hat!
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Fuck I can't stand that hat!
He's a strange cat. :lol
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I love that picture of Schenker and Tipton. As good as Schenker is, it seems like he's really listening to Glenn, taking it in. They're probably not even talking guitars but that's just what it looks like to me.
Don't forget Joe Elliott. He's probably just thinking he wishes he was as cool as those 2. That or he wants them to pour some sugar on him.
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I love that picture of Schenker and Tipton. As good as Schenker is, it seems like he's really listening to Glenn, taking it in. They're probably not even talking guitars but that's just what it looks like to me.
Don't forget Joe Elliott. He's probably just thinking he wishes was as cool as those 2. That or he wants them to pour some sugar on him.
Joe Elliott looks like he's having as much trouble understanding WTF Glenn is talking about as Michael does. :lol
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Fuck I can't stand that hat!
He's a strange cat. :lol
Just go back to the baseball cap Michael!
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Here's a pic I took. Why does he have sunglasses attached to the hat??
(https://i.imgur.com/9fBDh4Z.jpg)
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I love that picture of Schenker and Tipton. As good as Schenker is, it seems like he's really listening to Glenn, taking it in. They're probably not even talking guitars but that's just what it looks like to me.
Don't forget Joe Elliott. He's probably just thinking he wishes was as cool as those 2. That or he wants them to pour some sugar on him.
Glenn and Michael clearly both pretending he's not even there. :lol
I love that picture of Schenker and Tipton. As good as Schenker is, it seems like he's really listening to Glenn, taking it in. They're probably not even talking guitars but that's just what it looks like to me.
Don't forget Joe Elliott. He's probably just thinking he wishes was as cool as those 2. That or he wants them to pour some sugar on him.
Joe Elliott looks like he's having as much trouble understanding WTF Glenn is talking about as Michael does. :lol
That's cause he's talking lead playing and Elliot can't understand cause he's never worked with a half decent lead guitarist. He's wondering why they haven't mentioned that not wearing a shirt is the most important thing in being a good lead player.
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Here's a pic I took. Why does he have sunglasses attached to the hat??
(https://i.imgur.com/9fBDh4Z.jpg)
He always does, WTF?!
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Or call up Michael Schenker or something, what the hell is he doing these day?
Well...in November 2022, he'll be the opening act for a handful of W.A.S.P. 40th anniversary tour shows: https://blabbermouth.net/news/w-a-s-p-announces-first-u-s-tour-in-decade-armored-saint-to-support/
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Or call up Michael Schenker or something, what the hell is he doing these day?
Opening for WASP and Armored Saint on the Texas leg of the upcoming tour. For that reason I'm feeling inclined to go and check it out now.
Have you seen him live? He's been on fire lately. I am a disciple of those early MSG records (the first four), but really lost touch with him when he lost his way. The last couple studio records with Doogie White are solid as a rock, and live, he's as good as he ever was. You're in for a treat; the only downside is, as an opening act on a three-bill set, you're going to get 35, 40 minutes and that's not enough.
(Not for nothing, but I'm a bit surprised by that billing. Who's his band/singer? Is he doing that with Ronnie "I'm going to be the vocal Mike Portnoy" Romero?)
This rehearsal video is gold for all us Schenker heads. He is in top form.
Edit- the link would be helpful
https://youtu.be/Sqa2tqmZJJI
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Volante...link?
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Volante...link?
Whoops, sorry
https://youtu.be/Sqa2tqmZJJI
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Fuck I can't stand that hat!
He's a strange cat. :lol
Word on that.
But he's coming into his own, and weird or not, he's clearly more comfortable with himself than ever before. Did you ever watch that video I sent you? At least I THINK I sent you? He seems to be doing more talking on stage recently, and at least for some shows, he starts off by himself playing some older stuff with introductions. It's kind of odd, but really cool. I'd like to see him again sometime, though I really wish it was with Gary Barden or Robin McCauley (who I've REALLY changed my tune on).
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Or call up Michael Schenker or something, what the hell is he doing these day?
Opening for WASP and Armored Saint on the Texas leg of the upcoming tour. For that reason I'm feeling inclined to go and check it out now.
Have you seen him live? He's been on fire lately. I am a disciple of those early MSG records (the first four), but really lost touch with him when he lost his way. The last couple studio records with Doogie White are solid as a rock, and live, he's as good as he ever was. You're in for a treat; the only downside is, as an opening act on a three-bill set, you're going to get 35, 40 minutes and that's not enough.
(Not for nothing, but I'm a bit surprised by that billing. Who's his band/singer? Is he doing that with Ronnie "I'm going to be the vocal Mike Portnoy" Romero?)
This rehearsal video is gold for all us Schenker heads. He is in top form.
Edit- the link would be helpful
https://youtu.be/Sqa2tqmZJJI
I think I've seen that before; I love that. Herman Rarebell on drums, Francis on bass.
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https://bravewords.com/news/judas-priest-confirm-andy-sneap-s-return-we-have-decided-unanimously-to-continue-our-live-shows-unchanged-with-rob-ian-richie-scott-andy-and-glenn
Judas Priest...get yer shit together!!!
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That's a weird itinerary; looks like those are 4,000 to 6,000 seat buildings, but the Pru in Newark, isn't that like 19,000? Are they really filling arenas on this tour? Or is that one of those "smaller layout" deals?
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That's a weird itinerary; looks like those are 4,000 to 6,000 seat buildings, but the Pru in Newark, isn't that like 19,000? Are they really filling arenas on this tour? Or is that one of those "smaller layout" deals?
Yes, PRU only selling floor and lower level tickets.....AND still tons of tix available :facepalm:
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https://bravewords.com/news/judas-priest-confirm-andy-sneap-s-return-we-have-decided-unanimously-to-continue-our-live-shows-unchanged-with-rob-ian-richie-scott-andy-and-glenn
Judas Priest...get yer shit together!!!
Lol. To be fair, the four piece talk, since Andy took over from Glenn, they've lost that twin guitar status and feel anyway. Andy is merely a rhythm backup guitarist anyway.
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This is one of those things where it's sad from the outside, but I'd pay meet and greet prices to have heard the internal conversations. :)
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It's like they were surprised by the backlash. What's wrong with these people?
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It's like they were surprised by the backlash. What's wrong with these people?
I don't know how they didn't see it coming.
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Seemed the fans were screaming for vengeance.
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Yep, with two guitarists at the ready again, they are primed to take on the world.
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Some heads certainly rolled when they announced the four piece news. Fans ate the band alive!
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Yep, just when it looked like Andy Sneap was going to be the victim of changes and left out in the cold, the band made a rapid fire decision and brought him back.
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A raw deal for sure.
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This is Reckless for the killing machine but I'm all fired up for them to ram it down our throats on tour. (Wait.. Ummmm?!, that came out wrong). :blush :)
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This is Reckless for the killing machine but I'm all fired up for them to ram it down our throats on tour. (Wait.. Ummmm?!, that came out wrong). :blush :)
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/f9e234e0dd2693931dec4e086a9ff2fa/tenor.gif)
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The band will surely need a painkiller to get over the headache this caused.
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Painkillers can also be helpful if you're burnin' up with a fever.
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All bands are a victim of changes from time to time.
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You didn't have to be Nostradamus to predict the backlash happening.
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I guess they felt the Rage from the fans, who said Don't Go when Andy got the boot.
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Walrus speaking - gotta say, I was never a fan of Priest. Couldn't stand them in fact. But yeah, saw several shows on the tour (girlfriend was merch manager for Sabaton so I had some good seats and got to hang with those dudes too). JP blew me away. On the way back from a couple shows I listened to some of their biggest albums from the 80s. Generally pretty good stuff but I never went back to them. Sometimes Rob's voice on the record really grated on me. Somehow he sounded way, way better live in his 70s than on those albums. That's wild :lol the man is an absolute monster live and I regret writing them off for so many years based on studio tracks.
I lost my shit the first time I watched them play Painkiller. Fuck yes. Still preferred Sabaton's last show in Denver, which was absolutely bonkers, but I can admit when I'm wrong - JP is very good :tup
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Andy is back in it seems...
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Andy is back in it seems...
Er... usually Australia is a day ahead of the rest of us... :lol
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Andy is back in it seems...
Er... usually Australia is a day ahead of the rest of us... :lol
:lol
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Andy is back in it seems...
Er... usually Australia is a day ahead of the rest of us... :lol
:rollin
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In case you guys were interested in knowing KK's reaction to this :lol
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/kk_downing_reacts_to_judas_priests_initial_decision_to_tour_as_4-piece_calls_it_insulting.html
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In case you guys were interested in knowing KK's reaction to this :lol
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/kk_downing_reacts_to_judas_priests_initial_decision_to_tour_as_4-piece_calls_it_insulting.html
I'm like everybody else. I'm totally bemused. It was just so extreme and insulting in a way, I guess, and insulting to Glenn [Tipton] as well. It was kind of a slap in the face, saying, 'Okay, you two guys did it, but we think just one guy could do what…' It kind of made us and everything that we've done and created, saying it was all superfluous, really, and didn't really have the value that… I'm sure Glenn will agree with me that it does have a value.
It's kind of awkward for me, guys, because with myself and Glenn, that's Judas Priest to me," he added. "I think I've got a license to say that, after spending a lifetime in the band. And the image and everything and all the shows and all the work and all the albums and everything, everything revolves around that. I mean, if you don't see Glenn's red pants on stage, it's not Judas Priest, right?
Okay, I created an image with the flying V [guitar], long blond hair, leather and studs — I created that. It's easy to use the wheel, but inventing it is a different story.
Well, Glenn would have known and agreed to running as a four piece in the first instance you would think so he must have been okay with it.
KK created an image? Is that true? I'm new to Schenker but I reckon he probably took that flying v, blonde hair type of image thing and made it just a tad more than KK? No? Priest was Glenn and KK was just kinda there filling the gaps.
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Priest was Glenn and KK was just kinda there filling the gaps.
I agree from a musical point of view but , as you know, from a band history point of view Glenn was recruited as a second guitarist (around the same time as Halford came in) to KK who had already been in the band 3-4 years. So , forgetting how bitter and twisted KK may get , it's understandable that he feels that authority to speak as a "founding member" along with Ian Hill if you forget the short-termers in the very early days.
I wasn't there in the early 70's (not that old ;D ) but I think Schenker and KK were doing similar things with their image around the same time. If memory serves correct Schenker asked KK to join Scorps at one stage.
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Didn’t KK write just as much as Tipton? He got equal credit for pretty much 40 years.
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Didn’t KK write just as much as Tipton? He got equal credit for pretty much 40 years.
Almost everything from British Steel through Painkiller (along with Angel and Nostradamus) is credited to Halford, Tipton and Downing. Prior to that, there were many songs credited only to Tipton or to Tipton and Halford. On Jugulator, all music was credited to Tipton and Downing, but on Demolition, Downing is credited on only 5/13 tracks.
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Priest was Glenn and KK was just kinda there filling the gaps.
I agree from a musical point of view but , as you know, from a band history point of view Glenn was recruited as a second guitarist (around the same time as Halford came in) to KK who had already been in the band 3-4 years. So , forgetting how bitter and twisted KK may get , it's understandable that he feels that authority to speak as a "founding member" along with Ian Hill if you forget the short-termers in the very early days.
I wasn't there in the early 70's (not that old ;D ) but I think Schenker and KK were doing similar things with their image around the same time. If memory serves correct Schenker asked KK to join Scorps at one stage.
Yeah, I know all that. Maybe I was a little harsh and pg said, the writing credits are evenly split.
I just think Priest wouldn't have gotten to the heights they did without Tipton. Maybe I'm just being a fanboy too, which is entirely possible.
It would have been interesting to know the exact split of music writing over the years between the two. Can't help but to feel Glenn was the more driving force being his leads are much more frequent than KK.
I do think if KK was keen to rejoin, the band should put the rivalry between them do it. It makes sense. Richie handles all of Glenn's parts fine anyway.
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I just think Priest wouldn't have gotten to the heights they did without Tipton.
I do think if KK was keen to rejoin, the band should put the rivalry between them do it. It makes sense. Richie handles all of Glenn's parts fine anyway.
Yep. If KK's solo work is any indication it's yet another example in classic bands of the "sum of the parts" being much greater.
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What a disappointment that KK album was.
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What a disappointment that KK album was.
What were your expectations? I had none so I actually enjoy it. Not ground breaking but its not terrible.
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What a disappointment that KK album was.
What were your expectations? I had none so I actually enjoy it. Not ground breaking but its not terrible.
Some half decent music with at least some creative forethought and some better soloing than the pathetic nonsensical sloppy noodling we got here. Some lyrics that sound like a 5 year old wrote them is not ideal either.
I was trying to enjoy it and tried convincing myself but by the end I was like, 'nah, this sucks!'
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What a disappointment that KK album was.
What were your expectations? I had none so I actually enjoy it. Not ground breaking but its not terrible.
Some half decent music with at least some creative forethought and some better soloing than the pathetic nonsensical sloppy noodling we got here. Some lyrics that sound like a 5 year old wrote them is not ideal either.
I was trying to enjoy it and tried convincing myself but by the end I was like, 'nah, this sucks!'
Yup my exact thoughts, absolute rubbish and if didn't have KK's name on it, I doubt if anyone would have been talking about it at all.
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What a disappointment that KK album was.
What were your expectations? I had none so I actually enjoy it. Not ground breaking but its not terrible.
Some half decent music with at least some creative forethought and some better soloing than the pathetic nonsensical sloppy noodling we got here. Some lyrics that sound like a 5 year old wrote them is not ideal either.
I was trying to enjoy it and tried convincing myself but by the end I was like, 'nah, this sucks!'
Yup my exact thoughts, absolute rubbish and if didn't have KK's name on it, I doubt if anyone would have been talking about it at all.
Most wouldn't even know it existed if it wasn't for that.
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In case you guys were interested in knowing KK's reaction to this :lol
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/kk_downing_reacts_to_judas_priests_initial_decision_to_tour_as_4-piece_calls_it_insulting.html
I'm like everybody else. I'm totally bemused. It was just so extreme and insulting in a way, I guess, and insulting to Glenn [Tipton] as well. It was kind of a slap in the face, saying, 'Okay, you two guys did it, but we think just one guy could do what…' It kind of made us and everything that we've done and created, saying it was all superfluous, really, and didn't really have the value that… I'm sure Glenn will agree with me that it does have a value.
It's kind of awkward for me, guys, because with myself and Glenn, that's Judas Priest to me," he added. "I think I've got a license to say that, after spending a lifetime in the band. And the image and everything and all the shows and all the work and all the albums and everything, everything revolves around that. I mean, if you don't see Glenn's red pants on stage, it's not Judas Priest, right?
Okay, I created an image with the flying V [guitar], long blond hair, leather and studs — I created that. It's easy to use the wheel, but inventing it is a different story.
Well, Glenn would have known and agreed to running as a four piece in the first instance you would think so he must have been okay with it.
KK created an image? Is that true? I'm new to Schenker but I reckon he probably took that flying v, blonde hair type of image thing and made it just a tad more than KK? No? Priest was Glenn and KK was just kinda there filling the gaps.
I got into Priest in '82 with Screaming... and went from there. FOR ME, and I only speak for me, the image was always Rob and the leather and the bike. It wasn't like Kiss where each member had a distinctive costume that changed specifically for each tour. Yeah, maybe Glenn's red pants, but beyond that... Maybe it's the cover of the MSG album, but if you said to me "Flying V", my first thought is Michael Schenker, my second thought is Rudy Schenker, and then, maybe, KK Downing.
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Apparently the new JP album will have some progressive elements, according to Halford.
"Yeah, the metal is there. But here's the thing: we've tried our best not to replicate anything that we've done. From 'Rocka Rolla' all the way through to 'Firepower', each record has had a distinctive character. And it's tough because fans go, 'We want another 'Painkiller',' 'We want another 'British Steel'.' And [it's, like], 'Dude, we've already done that.'
"Fans know that we're a band that is always full of adventure and trying new stuff," he continued. "And so, yeah, this has got probably some more progressive elements that we've never really delved into before. And that's exciting, because, again, it gives us and our fans another opportunity to see a different side of Priest. But it's still metal. There's just more of it. There are more notes than there were before."
Rob Halford Explains What Judas Priest's New Album Is Going to Be Like, Says There'll Be 'Progressive Elements' | Music News @ Ultimate-Guitar.Com (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/rob_halford_explains_what_judas_priests_new_album_is_going_to_be_like_says_therell_be_progressive_elements.html)
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I like the way Richie thinks. He should just mediate a sit down.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/richie-faulkner-says-10-years-of-weirdness-between-k-k-downing-and-judas-priest-has-been-a-bit-unnecessary/
"I don't know what it would take to patch that up, but it's been 10 years of weirdness, really. It's been a bit unnecessary. And I said this the other week, really, and I hate to repeat myself, but they were brothers for 40 years. And I think, music aside, pick up the phone and have a chat, have a pint down the pub and just catch up and be buddies again more than anything else. But as I said before, it's not my relationship to nurture, really; it's up to them to handle.
"Obviously, it goes without saying, if Ken ever came back, I'd be willing to move over or do whatever it takes," Faulkner added. "It's JUDAS PRIEST. I'd be willing to get out or move over or wear a funny hat — or whatever it needs to do. But as I said, it's not my relationship to take care of, really."
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I like the way Richie thinks. He should just mediate a sit down.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/richie-faulkner-says-10-years-of-weirdness-between-k-k-downing-and-judas-priest-has-been-a-bit-unnecessary/
"I don't know what it would take to patch that up, but it's been 10 years of weirdness, really. It's been a bit unnecessary. And I said this the other week, really, and I hate to repeat myself, but they were brothers for 40 years. And I think, music aside, pick up the phone and have a chat, have a pint down the pub and just catch up and be buddies again more than anything else. But as I said before, it's not my relationship to nurture, really; it's up to them to handle.
"Obviously, it goes without saying, if Ken ever came back, I'd be willing to move over or do whatever it takes," Faulkner added. "It's JUDAS PRIEST. I'd be willing to get out or move over or wear a funny hat — or whatever it needs to do. But as I said, it's not my relationship to take care of, really."
I'm with you; I love that attitude. And he's right. Stop litigating this through Blabbermouth, and go find a quiet pub in Wolverhampton where they don't give a rat's ass who you are or what band you're in. Bobby Plant knows of a couple I'm sure.
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Walrus speaking - gotta say, I was never a fan of Priest. Couldn't stand them in fact. But yeah, saw several shows on the tour (girlfriend was merch manager for Sabaton so I had some good seats and got to hang with those dudes too). JP blew me away. On the way back from a couple shows I listened to some of their biggest albums from the 80s. Generally pretty good stuff but I never went back to them. Sometimes Rob's voice on the record really grated on me. Somehow he sounded way, way better live in his 70s than on those albums. That's wild :lol the man is an absolute monster live and I regret writing them off for so many years based on studio tracks.
I lost my shit the first time I watched them play Painkiller. Fuck yes. Still preferred Sabaton's last show in Denver, which was absolutely bonkers, but I can admit when I'm wrong - JP is very good :tup
Better late than never.
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I like the way Richie thinks. He should just mediate a sit down.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/richie-faulkner-says-10-years-of-weirdness-between-k-k-downing-and-judas-priest-has-been-a-bit-unnecessary/
"I don't know what it would take to patch that up, but it's been 10 years of weirdness, really. It's been a bit unnecessary. And I said this the other week, really, and I hate to repeat myself, but they were brothers for 40 years. And I think, music aside, pick up the phone and have a chat, have a pint down the pub and just catch up and be buddies again more than anything else. But as I said before, it's not my relationship to nurture, really; it's up to them to handle.
"Obviously, it goes without saying, if Ken ever came back, I'd be willing to move over or do whatever it takes," Faulkner added. "It's JUDAS PRIEST. I'd be willing to get out or move over or wear a funny hat — or whatever it needs to do. But as I said, it's not my relationship to take care of, really."
I was never a fan of Richie when he joined but I'm liking him more and more. He's earned his place now but this attitude is beyond his years. I think his heart issue he experienced probably helps with this sensible and mature thinking.
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Indeed! Mad respect for Ritchie. It must be the first time in rock n' roll history that someone, for the "greater good" for lack of a better term, looks willing to even lose his place in the band.
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Indeed! Mad respect for Ritchie. It must be the first time in rock n' roll history that someone, for the "greater good" for lack of a better term, looks willing to even lose his place in the band.
Huh? His place in the band will never be in jeopardy.
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Priest announced a fall tour for the US with whatever is left of Queensryche as special guests or whatever.
I doubt I will go, unless someone really twists my arm. The venue they are coming to here in the St Louis area isn't a good one.
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^^ Ehhh, they rescheduled their SoCal show with Queensryche from Microsoft Theater in Downtown LA to Toyota Arena in Ontario. Not really much of a difference for me. May go if there's a ticket on the cheap as a curio.
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Priest announced a fall tour for the US with whatever is left of Queensryche as special guests or whatever.
I doubt I will go, unless someone really twists my arm. The venue they are coming to here in the St Louis area isn't a good one.
That's me; it's all about venue. If it's the casinos, I'm out. If they play a smaller theater, I'm in. I will drink through QR, though. I saw them back in the day as an opening act, and I'd rather remember them for what they were, not what they are.
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I saw them on their earlier leg and both bands were great. The comments about QR are weird but to each their own. I don't have a show on this leg close to me so I probably won't be venturing far unless gas prices drop miraculously. :D
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I REALLY enjoyed Priest on the Firepower tour.
However, getting me to drive out to Ontario on a Monday night would require something much more especially special. If it were a Friday or Saturday, I'd seriously consider it.
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Priest announced a fall tour for the US with whatever is left of Queensryche as special guests or whatever.
I doubt I will go, unless someone really twists my arm. The venue they are coming to here in the St Louis area isn't a good one.
That's me; it's all about venue. If it's the casinos, I'm out. If they play a smaller theater, I'm in. I will drink through QR, though. I saw them back in the day as an opening act, and I'd rather remember them for what they were, not what they are.
Well, its the Oakdale and its the first show of the tour which has me slightly interested in making the trip up to see it.
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Bought a ticket for the show in Illinois - it's 11 miles from my house, compared to the 50 I usually have to travel to Chicago or Milwaukee.
14th row! :metal :metal :metal
Thrilled to see Priest in a small theater and be that close to them.
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Priest announced a fall tour for the US with whatever is left of Queensryche as special guests or whatever.
I doubt I will go, unless someone really twists my arm. The venue they are coming to here in the St Louis area isn't a good one.
That's me; it's all about venue. If it's the casinos, I'm out. If they play a smaller theater, I'm in. I will drink through QR, though. I saw them back in the day as an opening act, and I'd rather remember them for what they were, not what they are.
Well, its the Oakdale and its the first show of the tour which has me slightly interested in making the trip up to see it.
See, now it's on my radar. That would be a good place to see them.
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Priest announced a fall tour for the US with whatever is left of Queensryche as special guests or whatever.
I doubt I will go, unless someone really twists my arm. The venue they are coming to here in the St Louis area isn't a good one.
That's me; it's all about venue. If it's the casinos, I'm out. If they play a smaller theater, I'm in. I will drink through QR, though. I saw them back in the day as an opening act, and I'd rather remember them for what they were, not what they are.
I hear ya on 'Ryche. Them being on the bill actually makes me want to go less, as I saw them only once back in '95 and it was awesome, so I like the idea of thinking that I saw them once and it was great, rather seeing the scraps of what is left and it leaving a bad taste.
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Did a vid cover of A Touch of Evil solo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiksEWU6OGY
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Priest announced a fall tour for the US with whatever is left of Queensryche as special guests or whatever.
I doubt I will go, unless someone really twists my arm. The venue they are coming to here in the St Louis area isn't a good one.
That's me; it's all about venue. If it's the casinos, I'm out. If they play a smaller theater, I'm in. I will drink through QR, though. I saw them back in the day as an opening act, and I'd rather remember them for what they were, not what they are.
I hear ya on 'Ryche. Them being on the bill actually makes me want to go less, as I saw them only once back in '95 and it was awesome, so I like the idea of thinking that I saw them once and it was great, rather seeing the scraps of what is left and it leaving a bad taste.
QR were amazing live this year! They did a headliner gig by me during the Priest tour and slayed.
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Did a vid cover of A Touch of Evil solo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiksEWU6OGY
:metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal Wolfster!
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Did a vid cover of A Touch of Evil solo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiksEWU6OGY
Eh, that was okay. You missed a note in there in bar 26. Also, I have the same chair.
(I'm kidding; that was really, really cool. You make it look so easy. It also gives a good appreciation for how good a soloist Glenn can be. Except the chair; I do have the same chair.)
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I have just heard on the radio (Planet Rock) that the drums bass and guitars are recorded for the 19th JP album.
Vocals to be recorded next year after north/south american tour.
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Nice, bring it on. Firepower was such a strong album.
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Excited because Ritchie hinted at a proggier direction (hopefully reminiscent of the 70s sound and songwriting).
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Excited because Ritchie hinted at a proggier direction (hopefully reminiscent of the 70s sound and songwriting).
So like Nostradamus but not being too much Nostradamus? :lol
Heard a slightly shortened version I made of the album recently. I still think it's a great album, a pity the fanbase didn't like it and they didn't believe in it. At the very least, also the title track deserved to be played live.
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Agreed. Title track is awesome. A heavier/more aggressive version of that album would be fine by me.
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Did a vid cover of A Touch of Evil solo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiksEWU6OGY
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IMMENSE loved it bro
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Excited because Ritchie hinted at a proggier direction (hopefully reminiscent of the 70s sound and songwriting).
So like Nostradamus but not being too much Nostradamus? :lol
Heard a slightly shortened version I made of the album recently. I still think it's a great album, a pity the fanbase didn't like it and they didn't believe in it. At the very least, also the title track deserved to be played live.
I made a 1 cd version of it back in the day, it's really strong.
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Did a vid cover of A Touch of Evil solo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiksEWU6OGY
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IMMENSE loved it bro
Thanks brother! :metal
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Excited because Ritchie hinted at a proggier direction (hopefully reminiscent of the 70s sound and songwriting).
So like Nostradamus but not being too much Nostradamus? :lol
Heard a slightly shortened version I made of the album recently. I still think it's a great album, a pity the fanbase didn't like it and they didn't believe in it. At the very least, also the title track deserved to be played live.
Agreed, I like Nostradamus. Haven't heard it in forever, though. I should revisit it one of these days...
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Did a vid cover of A Touch of Evil solo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiksEWU6OGY
So smooth man! Love your tone. I would love to hear you do a John Sykes solo. Something with a lot of sustain, self titled Whitesnake or Blue Murder!!!!! Kick ass Kade!!!!! :tup :metal
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Did a vid cover of A Touch of Evil solo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiksEWU6OGY
So smooth man! Love your tone. I would love to hear you do a John Sykes solo. Something with a lot of sustain, self titled Whitesnake or Blue Murder!!!!! Kick ass Kade!!!!! :tup :metal
Thanks Tom. Sykes is incredible. My fav solos from him are actually from Looking For Love. That outro is incredible.
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They've played a certain song for the first time since 1982.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/watch_judas_priest_play_sad_wings_of_destiny_deep_cut_live_for_first_time_in_40_years.html
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I'm really looking forward to seeing them on this tour in a few weeks. I saw them once before, at Ozzfest 2004, when Halford re-joined the band. It's surprising to see them drop Painkiller, but that is an awesome setlist.
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Genocide is the one song on Unleashed in the East that never really clicked for me. I'm more excited about Steeler. Really wish they were playing a closer venue or on a weekend.
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They've played a certain song for the first time since 1982.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/watch_judas_priest_play_sad_wings_of_destiny_deep_cut_live_for_first_time_in_40_years.html
That's a nice setlist.
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KK confirms that he and Les Binks will perform with Priest at the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame induction ceremony.
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/kk-downing-judas-priest-rock-hall-reunion/
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KK confirms that he and Les Binks will perform with Priest at the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame induction ceremony.
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/kk-downing-judas-priest-rock-hall-reunion/
Interesting.
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I maintain that the RRHoF is a piss-stain. Johnny Rotten was right. I'd have more respect for Priest if they told them to fuck off, but they want to do this so more power to them. Not much of an accomplishment, really. That said, I'm happy for Les Binks. This is a guy who deserves a moment in the spotlight. And though he's dead, Dave Holland, too. I didn't care much for the guy as a drummer for Priest, but given what went down it'll nice for him to get some recognition that [hopefully] doesn't resort to a bunch of boos and snickering. Kenny, Rob, Glen, and Ian have had their legend status for ages. It'll be nice to see some of that wear off onto Les and Dave. They both earned it.
edit: Oh, and the reason I'm posting in the first place is to chime in that according to Les, there will be 3 guitarists and 2 drummers playing an 8 minute medley.
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edit: Oh, and the reason I'm posting in the first place is to chime in that according to Les, there will be 3 guitarists and 2 drummers playing an 8 minute medley.
Can't wait to see a medley of Breaking the Law, Living after Midnight, Metal Gods and You've Got Another Thing Coming. All songs that showcase none of the bands skills.
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Even though Priest was a little bigger in the 80s, I am surprised to see them get in before Maiden, who is way more popular nowadays. This bodes well for Maiden to get in sooner rather than later.
Not that matters all that much in the grand scheme, but it is good to see some overlooked bands that are worthy get recognized.
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edit: Oh, and the reason I'm posting in the first place is to chime in that according to Les, there will be 3 guitarists and 2 drummers playing an 8 minute medley.
Can't wait to see a medley of Breaking the Law, Living after Midnight, Metal Gods and You've Got Another Thing Coming. All songs that showcase none of the bands skills.
Yeah, pretty much. But at the same time those area also the songs that got them into the thing in the first place. For this thing it honestly does make sense.
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edit: Oh, and the reason I'm posting in the first place is to chime in that according to Les, there will be 3 guitarists and 2 drummers playing an 8 minute medley.
Can't wait to see a medley of Breaking the Law, Living after Midnight, Metal Gods and You've Got Another Thing Coming. All songs that showcase none of the bands skills.
Yeah, pretty much. But at the same time those area also the songs that got them into the thing in the first place. For this thing it honestly does make sense.
Oh definitely. I honestly wouldn't expect any different.
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And not to be a dick, but to make El Barto's point, they might not even include Metal Gods (even with the connection to Rob).
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And not to be a dick, but to make El Barto's point, they might not even include Metal Gods (even with the connection to Rob).
At first I only listed the main three. Metal Gods was an afterthought truthfully.
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I think they should just play Burn in Hell.
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I think they should just play Burn in Hell.
I could get on board with this.
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I think they should just play Burn in Hell.
I agree, covering Twisted Sister would be cool! :lol :metal
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I think they should just play Burn in Hell.
I agree, covering Twisted Sister would be cool! :lol :metal
Hear no evil don't you see no evil don't you lay no evil down on me
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I think they should just play Burn in Hell.
I agree, covering Twisted Sister would be cool! :lol :metal
Hear no evil don't you see no evil don't you lay no evil down on me
:metal :metal :metal :metal
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I think they should just play Burn in Hell.
:rollin
How about Machine Man? at least the public will appreciate the clever and insightful lyrics!
So you motherfuckers want to race
You've all got "loser" tattoed on your face
:metal :lol
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I saw them last night in a small theater, which was amazing. The only other time I have seen Priest was at Ozzfest 2004, when they reunited with Halford, which was outdoors at an amphitheater, so you're far away and stuck watching video screens. To be much closer and in a small venue was perfect. They came right out of the gate with 3 songs from Screaming For Vengeance, and after that, Halford had truly warmed up. At the end of the fourth song (Jawbreaker), he hit some massive high notes that blew the crowd away. After that, he was STUNNING. He sounded so well singing cleanly and then would break into higher notes so easily. I did not expect him to be that good, given that he's 71, and we've all seen him struggle with songs like Painkiller.
The band was completely on fire, bashing through song after song. Ritchie Faulkner is amazing, such a killer guitarist and a wonderful showman. He was interacting with fans up front as often as he could, posing for photos, making devil horns on his head with his fingers, then jumping back into a riff, and shredding like crazy. My sight line wasn't as good to see Andy Sneap's side of the stage, but he seemed to hold things down with ease, and it was easy to forget that Ian Hill was in the back, thumping away. My attention was mainly on Halford and Ritchie.
I missed Turbo Lover, which they haven't been playing on this leg. I love that song and thought it would be played. The same with The Sentinel. Other than that, their set was fantastic and hearing a bunch of rare songs like Genocide, Steeler, Screaming for Vengeance, and Riding on the Wind made up for the 2-3 songs I wanted to hear.
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A lot of the footage from this tour has been fantastic. Tremendous stage design.
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I saw them last night in a small theater, which was amazing. The only other time I have seen Priest was at Ozzfest 2004, when they reunited with Halford, which was outdoors at an amphitheater, so you're far away and stuck watching video screens. To be much closer and in a small venue was perfect. They came right out of the gate with 3 songs from Screaming For Vengeance, and after that, Halford had truly warmed up. At the end of the fourth song (Jawbreaker), he hit some massive high notes that blew the crowd away. After that, he was STUNNING. He sounded so well singing cleanly and then would break into higher notes so easily. I did not expect him to be that good, given that he's 71, and we've all seen him struggle with songs like Painkiller.
The band was completely on fire, bashing through song after song. Ritchie Faulkner is amazing, such a killer guitarist and a wonderful showman. He was interacting with fans up front as often as he could, posing for photos, making devil horns on his head with his fingers, then jumping back into a riff, and shredding like crazy. My sight line wasn't as good to see Andy Sneap's side of the stage, but he seemed to hold things down with ease, and it was easy to forget that Ian Hill was in the back, thumping away. My attention was mainly on Halford and Ritchie.
I missed Turbo Lover, which they haven't been playing on this leg. I love that song and thought it would be played. The same with The Sentinel. Other than that, their set was fantastic and hearing a bunch of rare songs like Genocide, Steeler, Screaming for Vengeance, Riding on the Wind and Steeler made up for the 2-3 songs I wanted to hear.
awesome very happy for you ,,, they are truly metal magic
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I saw them last night in a small theater, which was amazing. The only other time I have seen Priest was at Ozzfest 2004, when they reunited with Halford, which was outdoors at an amphitheater, so you're far away and stuck watching video screens. To be much closer and in a small venue was perfect. They came right out of the gate with 3 songs from Screaming For Vengeance, and after that, Halford had truly warmed up. At the end of the fourth song (Jawbreaker), he hit some massive high notes that blew the crowd away. After that, he was STUNNING. He sounded so well singing cleanly and then would break into higher notes so easily. I did not expect him to be that good, given that he's 71, and we've all seen him struggle with songs like Painkiller.
The band was completely on fire, bashing through song after song. Ritchie Faulkner is amazing, such a killer guitarist and a wonderful showman. He was interacting with fans up front as often as he could, posing for photos, making devil horns on his head with his fingers, then jumping back into a riff, and shredding like crazy. My sight line wasn't as good to see Andy Sneap's side of the stage, but he seemed to hold things down with ease, and it was easy to forget that Ian Hill was in the back, thumping away. My attention was mainly on Halford and Ritchie.
I missed Turbo Lover, which they haven't been playing on this leg. I love that song and thought it would be played. The same with The Sentinel. Other than that, their set was fantastic and hearing a bunch of rare songs like Genocide, Steeler, Screaming for Vengeance, Riding on the Wind and Steeler made up for the 2-3 songs I wanted to hear.
Hell yeah my friend. Glad you had a blast. Happy you got to see two shows you'd been waiting for. Back in the concert saddle. :metal
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Back in the concert saddle. :metal
Thanks, and I go when I can. Driving 70 miles for a show is becoming a pain in the ass with younger kids (re: Mercyful Fate's only show in the area is in Gary, Indiana vs. 20 miles further north in Chicago proper). I have no interest in making that far of a trip on a weeknight. But a handful of miles away to see Priest? That's a no brainer!
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Was fortunate enough to attend the rock & roll hall of fame induction ceremony in LA last night, awesome to see the full current lineup + KK Downing and Les Binks all on stage together, putting aside any tension or ego to accept this long overdue honor. Full concert will be on hbo in a few weeks :tup
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Caught fan filmed version of most of it. It was cool. Sadly KK stuck almost entirely to his little side of the stage and seemed to interact mostly with Ritchie, oddly enough, but it was cool to see a moment or two of him and Halford having fun. KK didn't seem to interact with anyone else at all on stage. And Les Binks......I'm not sure his kit was even mic'd up. He didn't seem to be putting any physical effort into it and it was pretty obvious we were just hearing their current drummer.
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I heard Alice read Dave Holland's name, but I don't think he read Richie's name. Is that right?
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I read that Downing and Tipton stayed as far away from each other as possible, in rehearsals and at the ceremony, so it doesn't like any tension was put aside, but still cool to see them get recognized.
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I heard Alice read Dave Holland's name, but I don't think he read Richie's name. Is that right?
Richie performed but was not one of the members on the "induction" list.
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I read that Downing and Tipton stayed as far away from each other as possible, in rehearsals and at the ceremony, so it doesn't like any tension was put aside, but still cool to see them get recognized.
This squashes any fantasies about KK rejoining after performing with the band here.
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I saw a fan filmed video this morning of that medley (Thing Comin'/Breaking the Law/Midnight). It felt nice to see KK up there with them, and having some interaction with Rob as well.
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Halford posted a pic in Insta of him and Dolly Parton onstage, I almost fell over and then looked on YouTube...
Nothing could have prepared me for Halford performing 'Jolene' with some of the other RNRHOF inductees, I am scarred for life :rollin
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Wow, now I wanna see Dolly do Painkiller :P
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Wow, now I wanna see Dolly do Painkiller :P
She was certainly dressed for it!
(https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/314720185_733202918165774_625621628924748994_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=gTFmC9zBNn4AX9pknag&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=00_AfDIoOjHMAaRhAtJ5xcA1RSHyey5EVabOL4-Eb1zNTZHxA&oe=636DDFE0)
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I know plastic surgery and all that. But for friggin 76 years old, Dolly is still smokin'! :lol
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I enjoyed the clip of Halford's speech, talking about the heavy metal community and inclusivity. He's such a great ambassador for metal music. It's weird to think that they were playing near my home 2 weeks ago, and are now in the Hall of Fame, but I'm happy for them.
I heard Alice read Dave Holland's name, but I don't think he read Richie's name. Is that right?
Richie performed but was not one of the members on the "induction" list.
Inductees were Halford, Tipton, Downing, Ian Hill, Scott Travis & Les Binks.
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I give Richie a lot of credit to stand up there and play with them, despite not getting inducted. He was really humble about it and excited to be on stage with Tipton and Downing.
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So happy for Rob and the band, they were my fav band for so long, saw them on Hell Bent tour onward, them and Thin Lizzy really shaped my musical taste after the Beatles. Rob was always super nice when I had the chance to meet them around Screaming and Turbo era... forever a JP fan....
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I know plastic surgery and all that. But for friggin 76 years old, Dolly is still smokin'! :lol
I'm actually with you; she's such a smart, strong, powerful woman, there's something undeniably sexy about her.
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I enjoyed the clip of Halford's speech, talking about the heavy metal community and inclusivity. He's such a great ambassador for metal music. It's weird to think that they were playing near my home 2 weeks ago, and are now in the Hall of Fame, but I'm happy for them.
I heard Alice read Dave Holland's name, but I don't think he read Richie's name. Is that right?
Richie performed but was not one of the members on the "induction" list.
Inductees were Halford, Tipton, Downing, Ian Hill, Scott Travis & Les Binks.
I thought Dave Holland made it.
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I know plastic surgery and all that. But for friggin 76 years old, Dolly is still smokin'! :lol
I'm actually with you; she's such a smart, strong, powerful woman, there's something undeniably sexy about her.
I agree with both of you too. A fine figure too.
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I enjoyed the clip of Halford's speech, talking about the heavy metal community and inclusivity. He's such a great ambassador for metal music. It's weird to think that they were playing near my home 2 weeks ago, and are now in the Hall of Fame, but I'm happy for them.
I heard Alice read Dave Holland's name, but I don't think he read Richie's name. Is that right?
Richie performed but was not one of the members on the "induction" list.
Inductees were Halford, Tipton, Downing, Ian Hill, Scott Travis & Les Binks.
And Holland.
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Dolly Parton is class personified. Just had to throw that out there.
Also, if you didn't join Priest until after Painkiller, you had no business being inducted, so while the "newer" members have all done their jobs well to varying degrees, none of them had anything to do with Priest getting to the HOF.
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Dolly Parton is class personified. Just had to throw that out there.
Also, if you didn't join Priest until after Painkiller, you had no business being inducted, so while the "newer" members have all done their jobs well to varying degrees, none of them had anything to do with Priest getting to the HOF.
That's a class of two: the guy who replaced Halford for a couple albums that weren't well-received and Richie Faulkner, who joined only a decade ago and has played on only two albums. Both are no-brainers for not being part of the inducted group. And, frankly, the inclusion of Les Binks is a bit puzzling (especially when you think about certain glaring exclusions with other artists).
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Dolly Parton is class personified. Just had to throw that out there.
Also, if you didn't join Priest until after Painkiller, you had no business being inducted, so while the "newer" members have all done their jobs well to varying degrees, none of them had anything to do with Priest getting to the HOF.
That's a class of two: the guy who replaced Halford for a couple albums that weren't well-received and Richie Faulkner, who joined only a decade ago and has played on only two albums. Both are no-brainers for not being part of the inducted group. And, frankly, the inclusion of Les Binks is a bit puzzling (especially when you think about certain glaring exclusions with other artists).
Les Binks is in, and yet:
Eric Carr is out.
Bruce Kulick is out.
Ronnie James Dio is out.
Vinnie Appice is out.
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Wow, now I wanna see Dolly do Painkiller :P
She was certainly dressed for it!
(https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/314720185_733202918165774_625621628924748994_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=gTFmC9zBNn4AX9pknag&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=00_AfDIoOjHMAaRhAtJ5xcA1RSHyey5EVabOL4-Eb1zNTZHxA&oe=636DDFE0)
When I woke up this morning I think I came to in the wrong parallel universe...
Just to check, these are the lineups of the two biggest bands on the planet, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7lA9eapdGI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7lA9eapdGI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7Q1Nn1CYHk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7Q1Nn1CYHk)
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Les Binks is in, and yet:
Eric Carr is out.
Bruce Kulick is out.
Ronnie James Dio is out.
Vinnie Appice is out.
I can't really speak intelligently about the two KISS guys, but Dio not making it is indefensible, and Binks's inclusion renders Appice's exclusion inexplicable (EXCEPT that Priest was inducted under the "musical excellence" (formerly "sidemen") category, where as Sabbath was "officially" inducted).
When I woke up this morning I think I came to in the wrong parallel universe...
Just to check, these are the lineups of the two biggest bands on the planet, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7lA9eapdGI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7lA9eapdGI)
I was at that Metallica show!
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Dolly Parton is class personified. Just had to throw that out there.
Also, if you didn't join Priest until after Painkiller, you had no business being inducted, so while the "newer" members have all done their jobs well to varying degrees, none of them had anything to do with Priest getting to the HOF.
That's a class of two: the guy who replaced Halford for a couple albums that weren't well-received and Richie Faulkner, who joined only a decade ago and has played on only two albums. Both are no-brainers for not being part of the inducted group. And, frankly, the inclusion of Les Binks is a bit puzzling (especially when you think about certain glaring exclusions with other artists).
Les Binks is in, and yet:
Eric Carr is out.
Bruce Kulick is out.
Ronnie James Dio is out.
Vinnie Appice is out.
Carr and Kulick not getting inducted is simply a case of the RARHOF not giving a f*ck about KISS. KISS was voted in, so they had to put them in. But, they weren't gonna do any more than the bare minimum, which is a crying shame. Eric was there for the tail end of the makeup and virtually the entire non-makeup run of the band. And, Bruce was in the band for 12 years, which is longer than Ace's original run in the band. But, KISS wasn't gonna be given any more time than absolutely necessary. Meanwhile, that same year, the E Street Band had 10 people inducted and each one was allowed to speak. The speeches lasted like a half hour. Patty Fucking Scialfa is in the RARHOF. And, Eric Carr and Bruce Kulick are not. What a joke!
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I have an interview with Richie Faulkner scheduled for this Friday. I'd love to get some questions from the DTF members!
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How is his health?
How is Glenn?
How far away is the new album and was Glenn able to contribute any guitar work on it?
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Favorite tea/biscuit combo.
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I have an interview with Richie Faulkner scheduled for this Friday. I'd love to get some questions from the DTF members!
how are you feeling? whats new? how is the new cd coming along , how is Glenn,
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I have an interview with Richie Faulkner scheduled for this Friday. I'd love to get some questions from the DTF members!
"Are there any deep cuts from the debut through Painkiller era that you have wanted to play live that you haven't been able to talk the rest of the band into playing yet??
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I have an interview with Richie Faulkner scheduled for this Friday. I'd love to get some questions from the DTF members!
"Are there any deep cuts from the debut through Painkiller era that you have wanted to play live that you haven't been able to talk the rest of the band into playing yet??
EXCELLENT question!!! I second that!
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What's it like playing Glenn's solos since he's stopped touring? I haven't seen a lot of live stuff but he plays everything pretty true to the record but changes things here and there too. Does he feel a duty to Glenn to play the solos in a certain way and as true to form as possible or has Glenn given his blessing to kind of do what he wants with them?
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I have an interview with Richie Faulkner scheduled for this Friday. I'd love to get some questions from the DTF members!
What are some of his personal favorite Priest songs that he would like to play live that he hasn't gotten to play yet?
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I assume the interview is based around Elegant Weapons.
My question would be..Ronnie Romero..why?
I'm not sure how to tactfully ask, but Romero turns up on so many projects..
I guess I'd ask, how did Romero get involved?
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:lol Ronnie Romeo has become Tim's arch nemesis.
I forgot that was a thing actually to be honest. Yeah, you're right though, the interview would be about that band.
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It is about Elegant Weapons. The album is solid! And I don't dislike Ronnie Romero...what is everyone's issue with him?
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The issue is that he's on every fucking album being released. To me, using the "vocalist du jour" takes away from the specialness of a project.
He's a good vocalist, but not so pleasurable to warrant his participation in all of the albums he's on, at least in my opinions.
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The issue is that he's on every fucking album being released. To me, using the "vocalist du jour" takes away from the specialness of a project.
He's a good vocalist, but not so pleasurable to warrant his participation in all of the albums he's on, at least in my opinions.
This is me. It doesn't help that I wasn't 100% thrilled that he was the guy for the Rainbow shows - though he did a good enough job - but he didn't blow me away. His voice just doesn't quite have the character that Ronnie's or JLT's did, so he was always sort of a "second best" option for me from the get go. Now he's on MSG records and a hundred others and I'm like, ENOUGH.
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The issue is that he's on every fucking album being released. To me, using the "vocalist du jour" takes away from the specialness of a project.
He's a good vocalist, but not so pleasurable to warrant his participation in all of the albums he's on, at least in my opinions.
This is me. It doesn't help that I wasn't 100% thrilled that he was the guy for the Rainbow shows - though he did a good enough job - but he didn't blow me away. His voice just doesn't quite have the character that Ronnie's or JLT's did, so he was always sort of a "second best" option for me from the get go. Now he's on MSG records and a hundred others and I'm like, ENOUGH.
yup I agree ... its getting a tad much
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Who is Ronnie Romeo? I honestly have no idea.
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The issue is that he's on every fucking album being released. To me, using the "vocalist du jour" takes away from the specialness of a project.
He's a good vocalist, but not so pleasurable to warrant his participation in all of the albums he's on, at least in my opinions.
Seems to me there aren't a ton of them to choose from. Singers with good pipes, experience doing this sort of thing, and with just enough notoriety to show up on people's radar. And singers have a relatively short shelf-life. When guys like him come around they get a lot of work. People like Schenker have always looked for these guys (including Romero). It doesn't seem odd that he's finding a lot of work right now.
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The issue is that he's on every fucking album being released. To me, using the "vocalist du jour" takes away from the specialness of a project.
He's a good vocalist, but not so pleasurable to warrant his participation in all of the albums he's on, at least in my opinions.
Seems to me there aren't a ton of them to choose from. Singers with good pipes, experience doing this sort of thing, and with just enough notoriety to show up on people's radar. And singers have a relatively short shelf-life. When guys like him come around they get a lot of work. People like Schenker have always looked for these guys (including Romero). It doesn't seem odd that he's finding a lot of work right now.
And before that it was Doogie White. I get that.
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I checked out an Elegant Weapons song last night, it was pretty fucking good.
Who is Ronnie Romeo? I honestly have no idea.
Bruh.....really?
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Ronnie replaced Joe Lynn Turner in Rainbow AND in the Sunstorm project. He shines here: https://youtu.be/3Dhvjm3dmfI
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Also sings for Schenker, sings with Magnus Karlsson in the Ferrymen, sings in Lords of Black, plus more. Even has his own covers album for some reason.
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Who is Ronnie Romeo? I honestly have no idea.
Bruh.....really?
I just looked up his bio, and your reply makes little to no sense to me. I am supposed to know who he is based on all that? Bruh...really? :P
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Who is Ronnie Romeo? I honestly have no idea.
Bruh.....really?
I just looked up his bio, and your reply makes little to no sense to me. I am supposed to know who he is based on all that? Bruh...really? :P
Surely you've seen his name and Tim getting triggered every single time? :lol
Fair though, he just seems to be fucking everywhere, it's hard to think one hasn't heard his name floating around.
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Also sings for Schenker, sings with Magnus Karlsson in the Ferrymen, sings in Lords of Black, plus more. Even has his own covers album for some reason.
The covers album sucks.
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I'm with Kev on Ronnie Romeo. Even though I have heard the name he is a total non-event to me. I'm really not sure why he would be considered to be everywhere.
I did listen to the Elegant Weapons song Do or Die and thought it was great. Really old school metal done well and I enjoyed the vocals.
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Also sings for Schenker, sings with Magnus Karlsson in the Ferrymen, sings in Lords of Black, plus more. Even has his own covers album for some reason.
The covers album sucks.
I don't need to listen to it to know that. :lol
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With tis being the Priest thread, I thought I'd share Ronnie doing a Priest cover: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yCIB5O1kec
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Isn't that just awful. And the solo, WTF?
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Who is Ronnie Romeo? I honestly have no idea.
Bruh.....really?
I just looked up his bio, and your reply makes little to no sense to me. I am supposed to know who he is based on all that? Bruh...really? :P
Surely you've seen his name and Tim getting triggered every single time? :lol
Fair though, he just seems to be fucking everywhere, it's hard to think one hasn't heard his name floating around.
It's possible his name has been mentioned in threads, but I never took notice of it.
But he is everywhere? Really?
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Who is Ronnie Romeo? I honestly have no idea.
Tim's favorite vocalist.
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Who is Ronnie Romeo? I honestly have no idea.
Bruh.....really?
I just looked up his bio, and your reply makes little to no sense to me. I am supposed to know who he is based on all that? Bruh...really? :P
Surely you've seen his name and Tim getting triggered every single time? :lol
Fair though, he just seems to be fucking everywhere, it's hard to think one hasn't heard his name floating around.
It's possible his name has been mentioned in threads, but I never took notice of it.
But he is everywhere? Really?
Yes, he is everywhere.
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When you get into the Frontiers roster, chances are you'll be in MANY albums in a short period of time, and Ronnie surely suffers from that. Look at what happened with Jeff Scott Soto, Jeff Pilson, Alessandro Del Vecchio, Reb Beach...all of them are in at least five releases per year, if not more.
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The issue is that he's on every fucking album being released. To me, using the "vocalist du jour" takes away from the specialness of a project.
He's a good vocalist, but not so pleasurable to warrant his participation in all of the albums he's on, at least in my opinions.
Seems to me there aren't a ton of them to choose from. Singers with good pipes, experience doing this sort of thing, and with just enough notoriety to show up on people's radar. And singers have a relatively short shelf-life. When guys like him come around they get a lot of work. People like Schenker have always looked for these guys (including Romero). It doesn't seem odd that he's finding a lot of work right now.
And before that it was Doogie White. I get that.
Meant to include Doogie, although he might be included in the Schenker thing. And Blackmore is the same way with the singers de jour (including Romero, who I believe he's responsible for in the first place).
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Yeah, supposedly Candace found him on the inter webs (Ritchie ought to be paying more attention; if Candace is off searching handsome young Spanish (Chile by way of Spain) singers on the internet!!!) for the Rainbow reunion/select shows. From there, he went to MSG, Vandeburg, etc.
Doogie was also "discovered" by Candace; he had sent in a tape to Blackmore and she heard it; he then did the "Strangers In Us All" record with Rainbow in '94 following the end of his second stint with Purple.
It's all Blackmore's fault. :) :) :) :) :). He discovered, more or less, Ian Gillan, Ronnie Dio, Graham Bonnet, Joe Lynn Turner, Doogie White, and Ronnie Romero, all of whom went on to work in some form or another with Iommi, Malmsteen, and/or Schenker.
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Yeah, Malmsteen would certainly be touring with Romero right now if his ego permitted it (and Romero were an idiot).
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Here's the interview with Richie Faulkner!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMhf398-fMc&t=5s
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Here's the interview with Richie Faulkner!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMhf398-fMc&t=5s
Thank you Rod
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(https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/static/article/draft/191066_p0hqGC9GUeHzOLq0_102293.jpg)
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/kk_downings_kks_priest_announce_sophomore_album_the_sinner_rides_again_release_lead_single.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/kk_downings_kks_priest_announce_sophomore_album_the_sinner_rides_again_release_lead_single.html)
And here's the video for 'One More Shot At Glory'.
youtube.com/watch?v=Sypj3SPBKKU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sypj3SPBKKU)
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Ok, "The Sinner Rides Again" is a cool title with a not-so-in-your-face throwback to the song, but "One MORE shot at Glory" is just lame.
What are the other song titles? Breaking all the Laws? Running Wilder? You Can Be Both Old and Wise? Two Touches of Evil?
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listen I keep wanting to give KK a fair chance but he needs to stop with the song titles that make me roll my eyes before hearing a note.......also he should probably stop naming songs after awesome songs in general. It sets expectations a bit high.
EDIT: Yeah just listened to it and it's pretty solid. It's no One Shot at Glory (see complaint above) but it's not bad. I like the production and at least on my tv speakers has some power to it. Ripper looks like he's dropped some weight and I think he sounds better than he did on the last album.
Looking at the tracklist I see another song named after the Sentinel. Once again if you're gonna make a spiritual sequel to a fan favorite you really have to bring it. Otherwise I'll just be thinking of a better song the entire time.
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Ok, "The Sinner Rides Again" is a cool title with a not-so-in-your-face throwback to the song, but "One MORE shot at Glory" is just lame.
What are the other song titles? Breaking all the Laws? Running Wilder? You Can Be Both Old and Wise? Two Touches of Evil?
That would be great. :lol
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I can't even fucking listen to this on principle. This would be like Adrian Smith leaving Iron Maiden and joining forces with Blaze Bayley and calling it H's Maiden. WTF?? The album is called The Ancient Mariner Rides Again. And their songs would be Still Scared Of the Dark, One Minute To Midnite (Gettin' Closer), and The Troopers.
WTF?
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sounds like a solid song to me
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I can't even fucking listen to this on principle. This would be like Adrian Smith leaving Iron Maiden and joining forces with Blaze Bayley and calling it H's Maiden. WTF?? The album is called The Ancient Mariner Rides Again. And their songs would be Still Scared Of the Dark, One Minute To Midnite (Gettin' Closer), and The Troopers.
WTF?
:lol
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Personally, I think he should title songs the opposite of famous Priest songs.
Ram it Up, Day Walker, Obeying the Law, Dying Around Noon, You've Got This Specific Thing Coming, etc.
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... One Minute To Midnite (Gettin' Closer)...
The best of all! :lol
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The best of all! :lol
Some really good ones here, but I gotta go with Obeying the Law. :lol
There I was completely sober, well employed and fine
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Not a bad song. Gotta say, I've intentionally avoided seeing Priest for the last ten or so years. They're a shell of the band they once were. I'd happily drop $20 to see KK's band play somewhere. More if he still had Les Binks in that lineup.
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Gotta say, I've intentionally avoided seeing Priest for the last ten or so years. They're a shell of the band they once were.
Firepower was a really good album though.
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The best of all! :lol
Some really good ones here, but I gotta go with Obeying the Law. :lol
There I was completely sober, well employed and fine
Brilliant :lol
Gotta say, I've intentionally avoided seeing Priest for the last ten or so years. They're a shell of the band they once were.
Firepower was a really good album though.
Indeed. Great stuff.
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The Troopers.
WTF?
Given Adrian's very publicized love of fishing, it would probably be "The Grouper" :D
The lyrics literally write themself
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You'll fish my trout but I'll fish yours too!!!
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You'll fish my trout but I'll fish yours too!!!
:lol
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In all seriousness though I hope they hold back on the cheese this time. Less of the corny songs about rocking that plagued the last album for me please.
Also I was curious and the last album only 4 out of the 10 tracks didn't have the word metal in the lyrics.
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I can't even fucking listen to this on principle. This would be like Adrian Smith leaving Iron Maiden and joining forces with Blaze Bayley and calling it H's Maiden. WTF?? The album is called The Ancient Mariner Rides Again. And their songs would be Still Scared Of the Dark, One Minute To Midnite (Gettin' Closer), and The Troopers.
WTF?
This little subtle addition is the highlight of this post. Outstanding!
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I laughed when I saw the song title pop up in my YouTube feed but I went back and listened to it. It's actually pretty solid.
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See, now I can't stop. I'm way past being funny, but still, can't stop. I was cutting my lawn this afternoon, sitting on the tractor and running through the entire catalogue.
Living After 9:30
Riding on the Light Breeze
Devil's Step Son
Starfracture
Beyond The Realms Of A Deep Coma
Love Nibbles
Out In The Chilly
Here Come The Watery Eyes and Sniffles
Rock Forever and Ever
Green Manalishi: Prong Three
Heading Out To The Interstate
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The Second course (eat me alive II)
Son of Tyrant
Still not satisfied
Take on the World Again
Return of the Night Crawler
Sons of the Sentinel......wait nevermind that one is real
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I'm taking this shit to a new level. Work these out;
Misses took my car keys by accident and now I can't go out.
Accidently ran across some geezers lawn cause a car was coming and got the shits and told me to get the fuck off his lawn.
This bastard of a lolly just broke a fucking tooth!
Boss is pissing me off. Gonna knock the cunt out soon.
Misses yelling profanities at me again leaving skidies in the toilet just after she cleaned it.
Fuck! This is wrong fucking exit. This takes me onto the fucking M1!
Got ripped off. Bought a new TV but then the assholes had a sale the next day.
Gave it to the misses in a fine performance last night!
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This bastard of a lolly just broke a fucking tooth!
Jawbreaker? :lol
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https://roadiecrew.com/judas-priest-anuncia-novo-album-invincible-shield-conheca-a-capa/?fbclid=IwAR1HF14m-_MRNiBMbfXayhiElWTefU-j8ZT5oyXxOzUZDavThNEpVoLnd7o
New album on 8th March 2024 and it seems like Andy Sneap will be credited as a third guitar player.
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https://roadiecrew.com/judas-priest-anuncia-novo-album-invincible-shield-conheca-a-capa/?fbclid=IwAR1HF14m-_MRNiBMbfXayhiElWTefU-j8ZT5oyXxOzUZDavThNEpVoLnd7o
New album on 8th March 2024 and it seems like Andy Sneap will be credited as a third guitar player.
:metal
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Wow, awesome news! :metal
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I know we probably wondered that for Firepower as well, but this might be their last studio album. Let's hope they go out with a bang :metal
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Going to be amazing! :metal
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The little audio snippet that they've released sounds great. I can't remember the last time Priest had such a prominent odd-time riff.
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Well I guess I'll start my countdown over.....
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I hope the music is good. Not a fan of the title, and the artwork seems to have been made by A.I.
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some very funny stuff here made me chuckle
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Here we go, the first single is out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQh2xNa_Bv4
That Tom Sawyer riff is kinda funny. :lol Aside from that, it's a cool tune. Rob sounds menacing. :metal
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Pretty good - the tones/riffs make it seem like they are going for some Painkiller vibes on this album :metal
EDIT: on second listen it's better than pretty good :)
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I love it - can't believe how great Rob still sounds at his age and that's some nice use of his high notes in the background vocals. Priest is always at their best when the riffs are aggressive. :metal
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Killer track!! :metal
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I enjoyed it quite a bit on my first listen, but it's kinda odd to release a single FIVE MONTHS in advance of the album.
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I actually dug that. That's pretty good.
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3 albums in and we are really getting the feel for the Tipton/Faulkner/Halford writing team. Hard for me to describe but there is a difference.
The song will never be among my favorite Priest tracks but at this point in the game I’ll F’ing take this. They have no business sounding this good.
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Pretty good track. I don't think at this point if their career that anyone could not be satisfied with that track.
Richie is coming a long way as a player too. Some nice things going on in that solo.
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Pretty good track. I don't think at this point if their career that anyone could not be satisfied with that track.
Definitely solid.
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Pretty good track. I don't think at this point if their career that anyone could not be satisfied with that track.
Definitely solid.
I was going to use that word to describe it lol.
To be fair, while it is simply solid, I think it gets extra Credit BECAUSE it's so late in their career. Didn't care for the lyrics though.
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Pretty good track. I don't think at this point if their career that anyone could not be satisfied with that track.
Definitely solid.
I was going to use that word to describe it lol.
To be fair, while it is simply solid, I think it gets extra Credit BECAUSE it's so late in their career. Didn't care for the lyrics though.
EXACTLY THIS :tup
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Not the biggest fan of the lyrics either but I admire Rob trying to do something a bit more modern instead of defaulting to songs about metal or medieval/fantasy battles......which I'm sure we will still get plenty of judging by the album title.
Still really solid track.
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Enjoyed it muchly :)
Lots of energy and good riffs. And, yes, a total nod to Tom Sawyer!
Have to agree with pg, though…five months in advance?!
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That was pretty great. Still hoping for some 70s vibes on the album as mentioned by Ritchie.
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Switching over to KK’s Priest for a moment. It just occurred to me yesterday that it feels to me (and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it were true) that all of the ideas are coming from an AI bot. Like KK’s manager just said, “Watch KK. It’s easy. Just tell ChatGPT that you want a song in the style of Judas Priest, and voilà!!”
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Switching over to KK’s Priest for a moment. It just occurred to me yesterday that it feels to me (and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it were true) that all of the ideas are coming from an AI bot. Like KK’s manager just said, “Watch KK. It’s easy. Just tell ChatGPT that you want a song in the style of Judas Priest, and voilà!!”
Haven't checked out the second album yet but I went through the lyrics of the first one and 6 of the 10 tracks had the word metal in the lyrics. Just so lyrically one note that it made the entire album feel more repetitive to me than it already kinda was.
Not that anything from the JP camp has exactly re-invented the wheel or anything but Firepower and this just feel more lively.
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I listened to the second KK one a couple of days ago. It's better than the first. Pure definition of solid.
A lot of the solos are so awkward and distracting though, much like the first.
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New Priest is really good, Rob sounds great.
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Switching over to KK’s Priest for a moment. It just occurred to me yesterday that it feels to me (and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it were true) that all of the ideas are coming from an AI bot. Like KK’s manager just said, “Watch KK. It’s easy. Just tell ChatGPT that you want a song in the style of Judas Priest, and voilà!!”
Lol perfect description. Especially the titles.
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Switching over to KK’s Priest for a moment. It just occurred to me yesterday that it feels to me (and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it were true) that all of the ideas are coming from an AI bot. Like KK’s manager just said, “Watch KK. It’s easy. Just tell ChatGPT that you want a song in the style of Judas Priest, and voilà!!”
Lol perfect description. Especially the titles.
I just did it myself:
Album Title: "Metal Resurgence"
"Rising from the Ashes"
"Steel and Thunder"
"Eternal Fire"
"Reign of the Chosen"
"Electric Warriors"
"Forged in Blood"
"Screaming Steel"
"Metalheart"
"Temple of the Serpent"
"Hellbent for Glory"
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I actually want to hear some of those songs now :rollin
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Yeah I would struggle in a pick the real song vs AI song quiz.
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Doro/Halford - Total Eclipse Of The Heart
https://youtu.be/DguMk2Hze1E?si=JlV6aE1ySN1hoRJa
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Doro/Halford - Total Eclipse Of The Heart
https://youtu.be/DguMk2Hze1E?si=JlV6aE1ySN1hoRJa
I just ask why? :lol
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meh
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I dig the hat/glasses look Halford is sporting. That's about the only thing I dig there.
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I also dig for one view the Rob Halford/ Dolly (boobs) song
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WTF at his laser fingers?! :lol
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Doro/Halford - Total Eclipse Of The Heart
https://youtu.be/DguMk2Hze1E?si=JlV6aE1ySN1hoRJa
I just ask why? :lol
I know right! :lol
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Well...yeah...that's a thing, I guess.
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Doro/Halford - Total Eclipse Of The Heart
https://youtu.be/DguMk2Hze1E?si=JlV6aE1ySN1hoRJa
I just ask why? :lol
I know right! :lol
I'm so confused.
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The more concerning part is that I watched the whole thing.
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The more concerning part is that I watched the whole thing.
Now I need to see it. Its like watching a train wreck sadly. Morbid curiosity. :lol
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Second single coming from Priest this Friday, Trial by Fire!
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That teaser for the second single sounds awesome.
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Can’t wait!
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I'm actually surprised that "Panic Attack" is being played constantly on the rock radio station I listen to. I'm sure it will end up disappearing to the abyss in a few months but it just seems weird that it's being played this much.
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I'm actually surprised that "Panic Attack" is being played constantly on the rock radio station I listen to. I'm sure it will end up disappearing to the abyss in a few months but it just seems weird that it's being played this much.
That's pretty cool indeed.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-6OtPHWwAAD8mz?format=jpg&name=medium)
I may finally see JP, and with Sabaton (that concert in NJ was postponed/cancelled the last couple years, if I recall) :metal
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New single today, Trial By Fire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n5aFASWfDA
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Solid.
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2 in a row. Love both singles.
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I'm amazed at how great Rob sounds at his age. Excited to hear the full album now.
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I can't say I am excited about a new album, but a friend and I took the plunge and got tickets for their show here next May. :metal :metal
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New single today, Trial By Fire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n5aFASWfDA
:metal :metal :metal
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-6OtPHWwAAD8mz?format=jpg&name=medium)
I may finally see JP, and with Sabaton (that concert in NJ was postponed/cancelled the last couple years, if I recall) :metal
Huh; opening night of the tour at the Oakdale; I might be convinced to go see that. I'd like to hear Sabaton, too.
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Slightly above solid.
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Yup, the track is nice!
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digging the new Trial by Fire ,,,, Panic Attack was fantastic
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YqZuo1WKk4&ab_channel=JudasPriestVEVO
And now Trial by Fire gets a video!
Not bad at all, it's quite stylish.
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Pretty good video!
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That made the song so much better for me. So good to see Glenn in there, that warms my heart.
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Tracklist:
01. Panic Attack
02. The Serpent and the King
03. Invincible Shield
04. Devil in Disguise
05. Gates of Hell
06. Crown of Horns
07. As God Is My Witness
08. Trial By Fire
09. Escape From Reality
10. Sons Of Thunder
11. Giants in the Sky
Deluxe edition bonus tracks:
12. Fight of Your Life
13. Vicious Circle
14. The Lodger
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Crown of Horns
The Lodger
:rollin
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When I saw The Lodger, this guy was the first thing I thought of.
(https://idyllopuspress.com/idyllopus/film/images/co/co_h32.jpg)
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I'm having a TAC moment. I have no idea what that is.
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That's from A Clockwork Orange. When the main character, Alex, gets released from treatment, ho goes home to his parents house, but they've rented out his room to...The Lodger, which is what he's called.
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Never seen that movie. Maybe the JP song is indeed about that. :lol
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Never seen that movie. Maybe the JP song is indeed about that. :lol
Picture Willy Wonka but with sex and violence. :lol
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Never seen that movie. Maybe the JP song is indeed about that. :lol
Picture Willy Wonka but with sex and violence. :lol
Sounds like my kind of movie actually. :lol
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Crown of Horns
The Lodger
:rollin
:D ;D :metal :tup :hefdaddy
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I like the fact that the record is consisted of only eleven songs. The previous two albums were a bit on the long side.
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I like the fact that the record is consisted of only eleven songs. The previous two albums were a bit on the long side.
Firepower has no bad songs but if being forced to cut a couple of songs, I would easily decide which ones (one was Flamethrower and the other I guess Lone Wolf if I remember well).
I agree with you, if it's "just" eleven songs, they're probably the strongest ones they came up with, and they're all essentials rather than diluting the album.
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Flamethrower is horrible. Should never have been included.
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Tracklist:
01. Panic Attack
02. The Serpent and the King
03. Invincible Shield
04. Devil in Disguise
05. Gates of Hell
06. Crown of Horns
07. As God Is My Witness
08. Trial By Fire
09. Escape From Reality
10. Sons Of Thunder
11. Giants in the Sky
Deluxe edition bonus tracks:
12. Fight of Your Life
13. Vicious Circle
14. The Lodger
So, is that the same "Fight for Your Life" that was a bonus track on the "Hell Bent For Leather" remaster? And given that, you're telling me that they don't already have a song called "Gates Of Hell" or "Trial By Fire"?!?! :) :) :) :) :)
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Flamethrower is horrible. Should never have been included.
I love it reminds me fun Turbo stuff : )
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Deluxe edition bonus tracks:
12. Fight of Your Life
13. Vicious Circle
14. The Lodger
So...is this "deluxe edition" something that's going to require the purchase of a bunch of vinyl or will there be a CD-only option?
So, is that the same "Fight for Your Life" that was a bonus track on the "Hell Bent For Leather" remaster?
"Fight for Your Life" was the working title for a song that eventually became "Rock Hard Ride Free," which was the third track on Defenders of the Faith (not sure why it was included on the HBfL remaster). The new song is "Fight of Your Life."
Flamethrower is horrible. Should never have been included.
I love it reminds me fun Turbo stuff : )
Like Wolfie said, horrible... :)
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I remember on the Judas Priest remasters from years ago, a lot of the bonus songs didn't match up with the year of the album they were being released on. Didn't seem to make much sense.
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I remember on the Judas Priest remasters from years ago, a lot of the bonus songs didn't match up with the year of the album they were being released on. Didn't seem to make much sense.
Yeah, on one hand it's great that we got to hear all those songs, on the other hand, it was a poor job. Some live songs taken basically from a single show if I remember correctly, and studio tracks distributed randomly all over the remasters. It was something thrown together.
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Thunder Road was a great track, but it's from the late 80's and appeared on Point of Entry.
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I remember on the Judas Priest remasters from years ago, a lot of the bonus songs didn't match up with the year of the album they were being released on. Didn't seem to make much sense.
Yeah, on one hand it's great that we got to hear all those songs, on the other hand, it was a poor job. Some live songs taken basically from a single show if I remember correctly, and studio tracks distributed randomly all over the remasters. It was something thrown together.
Don't get me started; that whole thing pissed me off to no end. And they made it worse: "Recorded somewhere around the globe on one of our many world tours." or some shit like that. Meanwhile, every one and their brother knew it was either from Long Beach in '84, or the Kiel Auditorium in '86. Fucking lazy if you ask me. But Priest always struck me that way (as compared to Iron Maiden, for example).
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Tracklist:
01. Panic Attack
02. The Serpent and the King
03. Invincible Shield
04. Devil in Disguise
05. Gates of Hell
06. Crown of Horns
07. As God Is My Witness
08. Trial By Fire
09. Escape From Reality
10. Sons Of Thunder
11. Giants in the Sky
Deluxe edition bonus tracks:
12. Fight of Your Life
13. Vicious Circle
14. The Lodger
So, is that the same "Fight for Your Life" that was a bonus track on the "Hell Bent For Leather" remaster? And given that, you're telling me that they don't already have a song called "Gates Of Hell" or "Trial By Fire"?!?! :) :) :) :) :)
I initially thought that too but as Paul said, different title
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Thunder Road was a great track, but it's from the late 80's and appeared on Point of Entry.
Fire Burns Below was a good one too. Although from the Turbo/RID era and was stuck on Stained Class.
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Yeah Fire Burns Below was pretty good. But those Priest remasters definitely aren't mandatory buys. All Fired Up was ok too.
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I have them all as they were the only forms of the CDs available when I discovered Priest.
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I remember on the Judas Priest remasters from years ago, a lot of the bonus songs didn't match up with the year of the album they were being released on. Didn't seem to make much sense.
Yeah, on one hand it's great that we got to hear all those songs, on the other hand, it was a poor job. Some live songs taken basically from a single show if I remember correctly, and studio tracks distributed randomly all over the remasters. It was something thrown together.
Don't get me started; that whole thing pissed me off to no end. And they made it worse: "Recorded somewhere around the globe on one of our many world tours." or some shit like that. Meanwhile, every one and their brother knew it was either from Long Beach in '84, or the Kiel Auditorium in '86. Fucking lazy if you ask me. But Priest always struck me that way (as compared to Iron Maiden, for example).
I'm still mad about A Touch of Evil Live they released where half the songs come from Rising in the East.
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I remember on the Judas Priest remasters from years ago, a lot of the bonus songs didn't match up with the year of the album they were being released on. Didn't seem to make much sense.
Yeah, on one hand it's great that we got to hear all those songs, on the other hand, it was a poor job. Some live songs taken basically from a single show if I remember correctly, and studio tracks distributed randomly all over the remasters. It was something thrown together.
Don't get me started; that whole thing pissed me off to no end. And they made it worse: "Recorded somewhere around the globe on one of our many world tours." or some shit like that. Meanwhile, every one and their brother knew it was either from Long Beach in '84, or the Kiel Auditorium in '86. Fucking lazy if you ask me. But Priest always struck me that way (as compared to Iron Maiden, for example).
I'm still mad about A Touch of Evil Live they released where half the songs come from Rising in the East.
Agree. That was pretty poor form.
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I'll just say that I don't believe I've ever bought a remaster, reissue, deluxe edition etc that was better than just having the original. And I've bought many.
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I'll just say that I don't believe I've ever bought a remaster, reissue, deluxe edition etc that was better than just having the original. And I've bought many.
I prefer a number of remasters/remixes to the original.
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I've bought countless remaster/reissue/deluxe cd's with demos. I can't say I've ever been impressed with a demo compared to what was released.
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Speaking of the bonus tracks, two that stands out to me are 'Turn On Your Light' and 'Red, White And Blue'. Both are on the Defenders reissue, don't know if they're from that period though.
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Speaking of the bonus tracks, two that stands out to me are 'Turn On Your Light' and 'Red, White And Blue'. Both are on the Defenders reissue, don't know if they're from that period though.
Yes, Turn on Your Light is another wonderful highlight, lovely ballad.
I think most of the bonus tracks come from the Turbo sessions where they were looking at a double album? I'll have to look that up though.
IMO, the best bonus track by far is Living Bad Dreams. Actually from the Painkiller sessions.
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Living Bad dreams is fantastic :metal
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I've bought countless remaster/reissue/deluxe cd's with demos. I can't say I've ever been impressed with a demo compared to what was released.
Megadeth's New World Order is so much better as a demo (due to Nick Menza's drumming and the heavier production) than the official version on Thirteen.
But yeah, demo versions of songs rarely are better than final versions.
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Defenders Of the Faith has just turned 40, making me feel very old.
I bought it on cassette back in the day and wore it out through so many plays.
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The Defenders show in May 1984 was my second concert ever.
When I did a mediation with Rob Halford back in early 2013, I brought my tour program and had him sign it. It was awesome, and he was the nicest guy.
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Heavy Metal Parking Lot from the summer of 86 with Priest/Dokken is still classic 15 minutes.
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The Defenders show in May 1984 was my second concert ever.
I remember the tour. Great White opened here. I didn't go because I went to see Van Halen in March, which was my 3rd concert.
Heavy Metal Parking Lot from the summer of 86 with Priest/Dokken is still classic 15 minutes.
I saw that tour 5 days after HMPL was filmed. Such a great film.
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HMPL was filmed in Texas right?
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HMPL was filmed in Texas right?
Landover Maryland
May 31, 1986
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I say it all the time but I so wish I was born 10 years earlier. I missed the whole time I should have been experiencing. Tim is the GOAT of concert experiences, so good.
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I believe he saw Dio/Twister Sister at some point........that's a Wolf megashow!
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I believe he saw Dio/Twister Sister at some point........that's a Wolf megashow!
August 20, 1984.
I'm not much of a concert goer these days though, but when I was a kid...hell yes!!!
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I believe he saw Dio/Twister Sister at some point........that's a Wolf megashow!
Twisted Sister were one I never explored. Snider just always kinda irritated me.
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I believe he saw Dio/Twister Sister at some point........that's a Wolf megashow!
August 20, 1984.
I'm not much of a concert goer these days though, but when I was a kid...hell yes!!!
I was almost 3 months old! :metal
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I believe he saw Dio/Twister Sister at some point........that's a Wolf megashow!
August 20, 1984.
I'm not much of a concert goer these days though, but when I was a kid...hell yes!!!
I was almost 3 months old! :metal
I was a month away from turning 16.
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I believe he saw Dio/Twister Sister at some point........that's a Wolf megashow!
August 20, 1984.
I'd have rather had Twisted Sister than Rough Cutt. The LA show was the only show on the Last in Line tour to get Rough Cutt. Dio had Whitesnake at the start of the tour, then Twisted Sister, then Queensryche for the summer dates in Europe, and then Dokken for most of the rest of the tour. I'd have preferred any of them.
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There's this Ruff Cut band again, right I'm checking them out.
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I believe he saw Dio/Twister Sister at some point........that's a Wolf megashow!
August 20, 1984.
I'd have rather had Twisted Sister than Rough Cutt. The LA show was the only show on the Last in Line tour to get Rough Cutt. Dio had Whitesnake at the start of the tour, then Twisted Sister, then Queensryche for the summer dates in Europe, and then Dokken for most of the rest of the tour. I'd have preferred any of them.
Twisted Sister was awesome.
I would've loved to have seen the John Sykes Whitesnake...with Cozy Powell I assume. I never saw Sykes live.
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First two videos on Youtube are apparently covers. Then I clicked on this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1nRgq0lf6g
Shortino on vocals. Eh, it's nothing special at all. And the guitarists are shit, played solos that didn't even go with the song.
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I believe he saw Dio/Twister Sister at some point........that's a Wolf megashow!
August 20, 1984.
I'd have rather had Twisted Sister than Rough Cutt. The LA show was the only show on the Last in Line tour to get Rough Cutt. Dio had Whitesnake at the start of the tour, then Twisted Sister, then Queensryche for the summer dates in Europe, and then Dokken for most of the rest of the tour. I'd have preferred any of them.
Twisted Sister was awesome.
I would've loved to have seen the John Sykes Whitesnake...with Cozy Powell I assume. I never saw Sykes live.
Sykes is such a monster. A shame he wasn't more prolific.
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First two videos on Youtube are apparently covers. Then I clicked on this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1nRgq0lf6g
Shortino on vocals. Eh, it's nothing special at all. And the guitarists are shit, played solos that didn't even go with the song.
They completely sukk.
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Yepp, fukk them.
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I believe he saw Dio/Twister Sister at some point........that's a Wolf megashow!
Twisted Sister were one I never explored. Snider just always kinda irritated me.
When TS did those shows near the end with no costumes or anything I was like "what could have been!". I don't get REALLY embarrassed, I like what I like but when TS was wearing all that day-go shit in the 80s I was like "you don't need this" and always wished they would pull a Kiss "no makeup" move.
I don't know; you can't force anything but if you could listen to "You Can't Stop Rock And Roll" with a clear head and no preconceptions... that's a GREAT metal record. Not "good", "GREAT". Even Stay Hungry is decent if you exclude the two singles. Burn In Hell is a great tune as is "The Price". Plus, Dee NEVER EVER had an off night vocally. EVER. I don't know how he did it, but he never went through those phases that even the best metal singers went through (Dickinson, Stanley) where they had to readjust.
I will say this, though; you're sort of a guitar guy. If you're expected Glenn Tipton or Adrian Smith you'll be disappointed; my opinion only, but Jay Jay French and Eddie Ojeda ("o-JAY-da") are average at best. This is not Thin Lizzy in that sense of the band.
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Sort of a guitar guy? :lol
I'll check them out next week. You could be right though, the lack of impressive guitar playing might have been enough to make me not venture into their territory. The make up probably also another reason. I can dig bands like WASP as they still had a pretty bad ass edge to them. TS just always looked silly.
Didn't Reb Beach play on one of their albums though. I'll do some googling.
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The Wolfster is a Shredmaster.
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The Wolfster is a Shredmaster.
You are always too kind.
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Always...........but Twisted Sister kicks ass.
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Always...........but Twisted Sister kicks ass.
That's it, Sensei J has spoken. I'll go through their stuff next week.
I will say, Dee's For the Love of Metal album is really really good.
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Sort of a guitar guy? :lol
I'll check them out next week. You could be right though, the lack of impressive guitar playing might have been enough to make me not venture into their territory. The make up probably also another reason. I can dig bands like WASP as they still had a pretty bad ass edge to them. TS just always looked silly.
Didn't Reb Beach play on one of their albums though. I'll do some googling.
At least you laughed. It was meant as a gentle joke.
But stay away from the Reb Beach record; it's called "Love Is For Suckers" and it was another of those "it's a solo album but the label wanted the band name on it" deals. It blows. Beau Hill - the guy that produced Winger, Warrant and I think Matt - brought in Reb to play because, well, I think he recognized the limitations of the band.
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A shame it blows, Reb is amazing. I'll do a bit of a dive next week.
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First two videos on Youtube are apparently covers. Then I clicked on this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1nRgq0lf6g
Shortino on vocals. Eh, it's nothing special at all. And the guitarists are shit, played solos that didn't even go with the song.
They completely sukk.
They had a song called Cutt Your Heart Out that was pretty solid (albeit super short), but they were otherwise a waste of time.
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Hear N Aid - "Stars" is an outstanding song. Shortino is on it, among Dio, Halford, Tate, Vince, etc.
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I've just loaded up Under the Blade.
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Great album :metal
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I'll move it to the Hard Rock thread.
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I'll move it to the Hard Rock thread.
Did it!
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I'll move it to the Hard Rock thread.
Did it!
:tup
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Hear N Aid - "Stars" is an outstanding song. Shortino is on it, among Dio, Halford, Tate, Vince, etc.
I absolutely love that song. Fortunately, Vince (Neil, I assume) did not get any of the lead vocals. He (along with Mick Mars from Crue) was in the backing vocal choir. The leads were done by RJD, Halford, Kevin DuBrow, Eric Bloom, Tate, Dave Meniketti, Don Dokken and Paul Shortino. I actually thought Meniketti also did one of the guitar solos, but not so. Those were done by Vivian Campbell, Carlos Cavazo, Buck Dharma, Brad Gillis (my personal favorite), Craig Goldy, George Lynch, Yngwie Malmstee, Eddie Ojeda, and Neal Schon. I love the story about how Dave Murray and Adrian Smith decided (while flying in during the middle of the World Slavery Tour) NOT to do solos and, instead, do the harmony licks under the chorus.
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Music video for panic attack out now
https://lotsofmuzik.com/judas-priest-unveils-official-music-video-for-panic-attack/
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Music video for panic attack out now
https://lotsofmuzik.com/judas-priest-unveils-official-music-video-for-panic-attack/
:metal
:tup :metal
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First two videos on Youtube are apparently covers. Then I clicked on this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1nRgq0lf6g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1nRgq0lf6g)
Shortino on vocals. Eh, it's nothing special at all. And the guitarists are shit, played solos that didn't even go with the song.
They completely sukk.
They had a song called Cutt Your Heart Out that was pretty solid (albeit super short), but they were otherwise a waste of time.
I think that album (the s/t) is pretty good.
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First two videos on Youtube are apparently covers. Then I clicked on this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1nRgq0lf6g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1nRgq0lf6g)
Shortino on vocals. Eh, it's nothing special at all. And the guitarists are shit, played solos that didn't even go with the song.
They completely sukk.
They had a song called Cutt Your Heart Out that was pretty solid (albeit super short), but they were otherwise a waste of time.
I think that album (the s/t) is pretty good.
I spent time with Dios crew during the 80s and RC was signed by Ronnie and Wendy,.. RC happens to be a band of great guys
and Paul S was just super. EV FACTIOD: Paul played Duke Fame in This is Spinal Tap and has a quick cameo. Me and him shared many funny quip over that when we partied. He said he was more famous for that role at the time and how it was such a fluke he was in it. and I loved RCs first 2 albums and Paul has/had a great voice. GOOD TIMES
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SOOOOOOOOOO EFFNNNN GOOOD.. A SONG THAT KNOCKED ME OUT GROWING UP... GAME CHANGER
RUNNING WILD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muEbJcy_-78&list=PLEbOY9laMBRL2KS54q6pNHHA7h11w2gY_&index=2
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:metal What a classic!
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EV FACTIOD: Paul played Duke Fame in This is Spinal Tap and has a quick cameo.
Wasn't he playing the Enormodome or something like that?
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Late to the party but I just wanna give a HUGE +1 to “You Can’t Stop Rock n Roll”. That is a fantastic record! Stay Hungry is also really good. And I actually have a soft spot for Come Out and Play as well.
But Can’t Stop is definitely their masterpiece.
I’ve been saying since 1984 that TS is so much better than their singles would have you believe. In fact, their singles were their worst material.
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:metal What a classic!
:tup :metal
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EV FACTIOD: Paul played Duke Fame in This is Spinal Tap and has a quick cameo.
Wasn't he playing the Enormodome or something like that?
hey my bro.. no Paul was Duke Fame in Spinal Tap.
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EV FACTIOD: Paul played Duke Fame in This is Spinal Tap and has a quick cameo.
Wasn't he playing the Enormodome or something like that?
hey my bro.. no Paul was Duke Fame in Spinal Tap.
Yes I know, and Duke Fame was playing the Enormodome!
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EV FACTIOD: Paul played Duke Fame in This is Spinal Tap and has a quick cameo.
Wasn't he playing the Enormodome or something like that?
hey my bro.. no Paul was Duke Fame in Spinal Tap.
Yes I know, and Duke Fame was playing the Enormodome!
LOL my memory is so bad lol thats right or something like that!! its such a throw away line ... such a funny scene I need to watch it again its been a long time bro... such a fine line between stupid and genius !! he did a twist on it... far worse than smell the glove
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New song released, Crown Of Horns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BExNIGlVJTw&pp=ygUbanVkYXMgcHJpZXN0IGNyb3duIG9mIGhvcm5z
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New song released, Crown Of Horns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BExNIGlVJTw&pp=ygUbanVkYXMgcHJpZXN0IGNyb3duIG9mIGhvcm5z
Love the title! Not sure about the song, though. I can't tell if it didn't connect with me because I was expecting something different based on the title or because it's not that good.
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New song released, Crown Of Horns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BExNIGlVJTw&pp=ygUbanVkYXMgcHJpZXN0IGNyb3duIG9mIGhvcm5z
Love the title! Not sure about the song, though. I can't tell if it didn't connect with me because I was expecting something different based on the title or because it's not that good.
I think because it's not that good. Although, I too expected something different.
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I think you guys will be surprised how much it will grow on you.
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I believe he saw Dio/Twister Sister at some point........that's a Wolf megashow!
August 20, 1984.
I'd have rather had Twisted Sister than Rough Cutt. The LA show was the only show on the Last in Line tour to get Rough Cutt. Dio had Whitesnake at the start of the tour, then Twisted Sister, then Queensryche for the summer dates in Europe, and then Dokken for most of the rest of the tour. I'd have preferred any of them.
Twisted Sister was awesome.
I would've loved to have seen the John Sykes Whitesnake...with Cozy Powell I assume. I never saw Sykes live.
they were fantastic.
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Just heard it. Amazing song. They wanted an easier, catchier song? nailed it. Yeah it's no No Surrender but I enjoyed it a lot.
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I think you guys will be surprised how much it will grow on you.
I'm sure it's fine in the running order on the album.
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It also reminds of Rob Halford's "Thunder and Lightning".
Fun linguistic fact: in italian, "crown" is corona, and "horns" is "corna". So the title translated in italian is "Corona di corna" which sounds very weird given that the two words are the same and only an a is missing :D
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It also reminds of Rob Halford's "Thunder and Lightning".
Fun linguistic fact: in italian, "crown" is corona, and "horns" is "corna". So the title translated in italian is "Corona di corna" which sounds very weird given that the two words are the same and only an a is missing :D
I like that :biggrin: they should do an Italian version of the song with that title, Blind Guardian-style
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It also reminds of Rob Halford's "Thunder and Lightning".
Fun linguistic fact: in italian, "crown" is corona, and "horns" is "corna". So the title translated in italian is "Corona di corna" which sounds very weird given that the two words are the same and only an a is missing :D
Reminded me of that Halford album right away too.
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Resurrection and Crucible were major ass kicking albums. Made of Metal was……meh ok
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Resurrection and Crucible were major ass kicking albums. Made of Metal was……meh ok
I revised it just the other day. Was a lot worse than I remembered.
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I like Made of Metal but man releasing The Mower as the first single should have been declared False Advertising.
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Made of Metal is good but uneven. The best songs are really good.
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Super pumped after hearing all the positive reviews of Invincible Shield. Martin Popoff says it's his favorite Priest record since Killing Machine :omg:.
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I love Martin Popoff, but he says all sorts of weird stuff. :biggrin:
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very much looking forward to this album
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Super pumped after hearing all the positive reviews of Invincible Shield. Martin Popoff says it's his favorite Priest record since Killing Machine :omg:.
While I have all faith in Priest to put out a great album, I never really care for these "best since [Insert classic album]" things. Any band with such a long history and so many milestone albums has by now albums that cannot really be topped in the heart of fans, it's only a matter of perception, of interests changing, of being relatively fed up with stuff you listen since 30 years so you welcome something new for a change.
In the case of Priest, I believe only statements that go as far as Painkiller, "favorite one since Painkiller", for older albums any comparison with today, three or four decades apart, hardly makes sense.
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The Serpent and the King: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dqi19sOyNE
Someone explain to me how Halford can sound this good at 72 years old? This one may be tough for him to sing live, but he's fucking smoking it on the record. :metal
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I mean I'm still floored that they busted out saints in hell a few years ago. of course he's not as consistent as he was 30+ years ago but on a good day he can still blow you away.
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I mean I'm still floored that they busted out saints in hell a few years ago. of course he's not as consistent as he was 30+ years ago but on a good day he can still blow you away.
Oh I know - I saw them live in 2022 and he was incredible. It took 3-4 songs for him to warm up, but after that, I was in complete awe.
I don't think anybody would give him grief for taking it easier on albums, but here he is on their 19th record, at age 72, still pulling off vocals reminiscent of Painkiller.
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The Serpent and the King: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dqi19sOyNE
Someone explain to me how Halford can sound this good at 72 years old? This one may be tough for him to sing live, but he's fucking smoking it on the record. :metal
his voice is great but thats not my fav type of Judas song
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The Serpent and the King: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dqi19sOyNE
Someone explain to me how Halford can sound this good at 72 years old? This one may be tough for him to sing live, but he's fucking smoking it on the record. :metal
Nice tune.
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WOW, I dig that chorus. If I didn't know better, I'd say that was an outtake from Defenders Of The Faith. Pretty impressed with our kid Rob.
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This new album is absolutely all killer, no filler. On par with Firepower, if not better!
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Great song, I like this one the best out of all the songs so far from the new album.
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WOW, I dig that chorus.
Figures. :lol The chorus is the worst part of the song.
Seriously, it's full on Priest. Really looking forward to this album. Pulled out Firepower last week, and this picks up where that left off. Good to see Glenn's name.
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72 years old and screaming like that :metal
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This new album is absolutely all killer, no filler. On par with Firepower, if not better!
thank you Rod.... I dug Firepower ... wore it out
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The Serpent and the King: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dqi19sOyNE
Someone explain to me how Halford can sound this good at 72 years old? This one may be tough for him to sing live, but he's fucking smoking it on the record. :metal
his voice is great but thats not my fav type of Judas song
MIND IS CHANGED. LOVE THIS TUNE.... I first listened on low volume on my laptop and it didnt click and i had to take a call and turn it off etc..., this tune is crushing its all over the place.
I like that its to me is a very unique song and is somehow fresh sounding to their catalog
The opening reminds me a bit of freewiheel burning
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PRIEST...PRIEST...PRIEST!!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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In the past I would prefer them do albums in a way they can replicate them live, especially the vocals. Now I'm all for making a fucking great performance that will stay forever and do the best you can with it live, even if it's not the same. I was so extreme about it that I went to the Judas/Queensryche tour in EU many years ago and left after Queensryche finished their opening performance. I wasn't a smart kid lol.
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WOW, I dig that chorus.
Figures. :lol The chorus is the worst part of the song.
Seriously, it's full on Priest. Really looking forward to this album. Pulled out Firepower last week, and this picks up where that left off. Good to see Glenn's name.
Without a doubt.
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In the past I would prefer them do albums in a way they can replicate them live, especially the vocals. Now I'm all for making a fucking great performance that will stay forever and do the best you can with it live, even if it's not the same. I was so extreme about it that I went to the Judas/Queensryche tour in EU many years ago and left after Queensryche finished their opening performance. I wasn't a smart kid lol.
I can be the same way, depending on the singer. I saw Priest a year and a half ago. Rob had just turned 71. I wasn't sure he'd be up to it, since I've heard a lot of his struggles on youtube videos over the years.
They started with Electric Eye, and he sounded great. Went into Riding on the Wind and he struggled, but I gave him credit because that's a really hard song to sing, and I'm used to his vocals on the live Halford album with that song. I was really happy to hear it live. You've Got Another Thing Coming - an easier song again.
They got to Jawbreaker, the fourth or so song, and he sounded great throughout. At the end, he unleashed those ending high notes: JawBREAAAAAKER! The place went apeshit and cheered loudly. I was floored, and did not expect Rob to sound so good there. From that point on, he was amazing. Screaming for Vengeance was another one where he didn't sound the best, but he is more than willing to give these songs a try and do his best. I'll take that any day over someone like Vince Neil, who is out of shape and has never tried to be the best live singer that he can be.
He just talked about setlists in an interview and said that he has to remind Ritchie to structure a setlist to give him a few songs to warm up. I can see that being truthful based on my experience.
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In the past I would prefer them do albums in a way they can replicate them live, especially the vocals. Now I'm all for making a fucking great performance that will stay forever and do the best you can with it live, even if it's not the same. I was so extreme about it that I went to the Judas/Queensryche tour in EU many years ago and left after Queensryche finished their opening performance. I wasn't a smart kid lol.
I can be the same way, depending on the singer. I saw Priest a year and a half ago. Rob had just turned 71. I wasn't sure he'd be up to it, since I've heard a lot of his struggles on youtube videos over the years.
They started with Electric Eye, and he sounded great. Went into Riding on the Wind and he struggled, but I gave him credit because that's a really hard song to sing, and I'm used to his vocals on the live Halford album with that song. I was really happy to hear it live. You've Got Another Thing Coming - an easier song again.
They got to Jawbreaker, the fourth or so song, and he sounded great throughout. At the end, he unleashed those ending high notes: JawBREAAAAAKER! The place went apeshit and cheered loudly. I was floored, and did not expect Rob to sound so good there. From that point on, he was amazing. Screaming for Vengeance was another one where he didn't sound the best, but he is more than willing to give these songs a try and do his best. I'll take that any day over someone like Vince Neil, who is out of shape and has never tried to be the best live singer that he can be.
He just talked about setlists in an interview and said that he has to remind Ritchie to structure a setlist to give him a few songs to warm up. I can see that being truthful based on my experience.
(https://i.imgur.com/dfxr53i.jpg)
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In the past I would prefer them do albums in a way they can replicate them live, especially the vocals. Now I'm all for making a fucking great performance that will stay forever and do the best you can with it live, even if it's not the same. I was so extreme about it that I went to the Judas/Queensryche tour in EU many years ago and left after Queensryche finished their opening performance. I wasn't a smart kid lol.
I can be the same way, depending on the singer. I saw Priest a year and a half ago. Rob had just turned 71. I wasn't sure he'd be up to it, since I've heard a lot of his struggles on youtube videos over the years.
They started with Electric Eye, and he sounded great. Went into Riding on the Wind and he struggled, but I gave him credit because that's a really hard song to sing, and I'm used to his vocals on the live Halford album with that song. I was really happy to hear it live. You've Got Another Thing Coming - an easier song again.
They got to Jawbreaker, the fourth or so song, and he sounded great throughout. At the end, he unleashed those ending high notes: JawBREAAAAAKER! The place went apeshit and cheered loudly. I was floored, and did not expect Rob to sound so good there. From that point on, he was amazing. Screaming for Vengeance was another one where he didn't sound the best, but he is more than willing to give these songs a try and do his best. I'll take that any day over someone like Vince Neil, who is out of shape and has never tried to be the best live singer that he can be.
He just talked about setlists in an interview and said that he has to remind Ritchie to structure a setlist to give him a few songs to warm up. I can see that being truthful based on my experience.
(https://i.imgur.com/dfxr53i.jpg)
and holy wow ...Robs on drums in that pcicture to boot!!!! amazing!!!!! : )
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What a loser :tdwn.
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In the past I would prefer them do albums in a way they can replicate them live, especially the vocals. Now I'm all for making a fucking great performance that will stay forever and do the best you can with it live, even if it's not the same. I was so extreme about it that I went to the Judas/Queensryche tour in EU many years ago and left after Queensryche finished their opening performance. I wasn't a smart kid lol.
I can be the same way, depending on the singer. I saw Priest a year and a half ago. Rob had just turned 71. I wasn't sure he'd be up to it, since I've heard a lot of his struggles on youtube videos over the years.
They started with Electric Eye, and he sounded great. Went into Riding on the Wind and he struggled, but I gave him credit because that's a really hard song to sing, and I'm used to his vocals on the live Halford album with that song. I was really happy to hear it live. You've Got Another Thing Coming - an easier song again.
They got to Jawbreaker, the fourth or so song, and he sounded great throughout. At the end, he unleashed those ending high notes: JawBREAAAAAKER! The place went apeshit and cheered loudly. I was floored, and did not expect Rob to sound so good there. From that point on, he was amazing. Screaming for Vengeance was another one where he didn't sound the best, but he is more than willing to give these songs a try and do his best. I'll take that any day over someone like Vince Neil, who is out of shape and has never tried to be the best live singer that he can be.
He just talked about setlists in an interview and said that he has to remind Ritchie to structure a setlist to give him a few songs to warm up. I can see that being truthful based on my experience.
Wait, Ritchie comes up with the setlists?
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If he does that would explain all the deep cuts that have made it to the set the past few tours. Saints in Hell, Sinner, Tyrant, Night Comes down, all guns blazing and One shot at glory are all stuff I would pick as a fan lol
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Wait, Ritchie comes up with the setlists?
Rob's comment was that when they write a setlist, everyone in the band needs to be on board with it. They don't want a band member to be grumpy about having to play a certain song.
So he mentioned that Ritchie will send him setlist ideas and he has to respond with "please no Painkiller songs early in the set, I need to warm up!" I'm sure Ritchie puts stuff in there and the band might be really open to bringing some of the older songs back.
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In the past I would prefer them do albums in a way they can replicate them live, especially the vocals. Now I'm all for making a fucking great performance that will stay forever and do the best you can with it live, even if it's not the same. I was so extreme about it that I went to the Judas/Queensryche tour in EU many years ago and left after Queensryche finished their opening performance. I wasn't a smart kid lol.
I can be the same way, depending on the singer. I saw Priest a year and a half ago. Rob had just turned 71. I wasn't sure he'd be up to it, since I've heard a lot of his struggles on youtube videos over the years.
They started with Electric Eye, and he sounded great. Went into Riding on the Wind and he struggled, but I gave him credit because that's a really hard song to sing, and I'm used to his vocals on the live Halford album with that song. I was really happy to hear it live. You've Got Another Thing Coming - an easier song again.
They got to Jawbreaker, the fourth or so song, and he sounded great throughout. At the end, he unleashed those ending high notes: JawBREAAAAAKER! The place went apeshit and cheered loudly. I was floored, and did not expect Rob to sound so good there. From that point on, he was amazing. Screaming for Vengeance was another one where he didn't sound the best, but he is more than willing to give these songs a try and do his best. I'll take that any day over someone like Vince Neil, who is out of shape and has never tried to be the best live singer that he can be.
He just talked about setlists in an interview and said that he has to remind Ritchie to structure a setlist to give him a few songs to warm up. I can see that being truthful based on my experience.
Rob started pulling some punches to land others quite some time ago. They know how to pace a setlist to accommodate him, so was always able to hit the important bits. The Jawbreaker thing would certainly qualify. The problem is that he had to keep holding back more and more, so the important bits became fewer and fewer. Case in point, if it took four songs for him to really make his presence known, that's really a bummer. And Riding was one he'd learned to sing pretty well even for an old guy, so if he's struggling with that now, another bummer.
For my part I tuned out when he couldn't belt out CONDEMNED TO HELL any more. The Sentinel was always a highlight for me, and when he couldn't do it anymore it just became depressing. It sounds like they keep putting together nice setlists which I wouldn't mind seeing, but you don't have the KK/Tipton thing anymore, and it saddens me to hear Rob nowadays, so I just skip the whole thing. That said, it does make me happy that they're still selling midsized venues.
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Glenn Tipton's brother Gary posted the following comments today on a Facebook post:
"Glenn now very frail." "Very worrying. . . . Parkinson's now getting more of a hold, if you saw Glenn now you would be shocked."
Needless to say, it doesn't sound good.
https://www.facebook.com/gary.tipton.357 (this is just the link to his FB page - the above comments are under the fourth post down from the top).
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Wait, Ritchie comes up with the setlists?
Rob's comment was that when they write a setlist, everyone in the band needs to be on board with it. They don't want a band member to be grumpy about having to play a certain song.
So he mentioned that Ritchie will send him setlist ideas and he has to respond with "please no Painkiller songs early in the set, I need to warm up!" I'm sure Ritchie puts stuff in there and the band might be really open to bringing some of the older songs back.
So they opened with One Shot At Glory. :lol
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Glenn Tipton's brother Gary posted the following comments today on a Facebook post:
"Glenn now very frail." "Very worrying. . . . Parkinson's now getting more of a hold, if you saw Glenn now you would be shocked."
Needless to say, it doesn't sound good.
https://www.facebook.com/gary.tipton.357 (this is just the link to his FB page - the above comments are under the fourth post down from the top).
I've kind of been fearing this news for a while. Only a matter of time I guess. Needless to say this makes me very sad. :'(
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Yeah I had a feeling. Last few music videos they did Glenn was barely in them like they filmed like a minute or so to splice in every now and then. Especially noticeable in Crown of Thorns where they would only show him for like a second or two at a time if that.
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Rob started pulling some punches to land others quite some time ago. They know how to pace a setlist to accommodate him, so was always able to hit the important bits. The Jawbreaker thing would certainly qualify. The problem is that he had to keep holding back more and more, so the important bits became fewer and fewer. Case in point, if it took four songs for him to really make his presence known, that's really a bummer. And Riding was one he'd learned to sing pretty well even for an old guy, so if he's struggling with that now, another bummer.
For my part I tuned out when he couldn't belt out CONDEMNED TO HELL any more. The Sentinel was always a highlight for me, and when he couldn't do it anymore it just became depressing. It sounds like they keep putting together nice setlists which I wouldn't mind seeing, but you don't have the KK/Tipton thing anymore, and it saddens me to hear Rob nowadays, so I just skip the whole thing. That said, it does make me happy that they're still selling midsized venues.
I agree about The Sentinel. I hate that he cut out that Condemned to Hell high note years ago.
https://youtu.be/_oJ7NZBD52c?si=heJs_looqce8sApw&t=320
Here is the video from the show I saw. I queued it up to Riding on the Wind. Listening back, I wouldn't say that he truly struggled. It's just that his enunciation seems to fade a little when he's singing in that style live, and his voice is older and grittier than the clean, high notes of his younger days. But the clean "Wiiiiiiiind" in the chorus is great.
Again, my point of comparison is hearing that song for the last 20 years on Live Insurrection, which was recorded in 2000. So in my mind, I'm thinking "fuck, it just doesn't sound as good as I'm used to hearing" but in reality, he's still pretty damn good. I'm just used to my favorite recording of the song from 22 years prior to that show.
The end of Jawbreaker is around 18:30, and that's when he just started wailing away and held the last note out. His clean singing is still fantastic, like on Beyond the Realms of Death.
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Glenn Tipton's brother Gary posted the following comments today on a Facebook post:
"Glenn now very frail." "Very worrying. . . . Parkinson's now getting more of a hold, if you saw Glenn now you would be shocked."
Needless to say, it doesn't sound good.
https://www.facebook.com/gary.tipton.357 (this is just the link to his FB page - the above comments are under the fourth post down from the top).
Oh no : (
I know it's a very dark thought but I hope we're not gonna relive the Magnum situation (guitarist Tony Clarkin passing away days before the release of their latest album).
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Not sure how the Wolfster and the Timster don’t like the chorus to The Serprent and the King. Man that song kicks major ass :metal
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I haven’t spun the singles more than once each, but that was enough to make me quite optimistic about the record. I thought Firepower was a great way to end their studio run, if it was going to be their last, but it looks like this one might be a worthy successor!
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Glenn Tipton's brother Gary posted the following comments today on a Facebook post:
"Glenn now very frail." "Very worrying. . . . Parkinson's now getting more of a hold, if you saw Glenn now you would be shocked."
Needless to say, it doesn't sound good.
https://www.facebook.com/gary.tipton.357 (this is just the link to his FB page - the above comments are under the fourth post down from the top).
: ( this really hurts my heart...
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Not sure how the Wolfster and the Timster don’t like the chorus to The Serprent and the King. Man that song kicks major ass :metal
Didn't say we didn't like it, it's just the weakest part of the song. It's perfectly okay, but it sounds like an afterthought to the rest of the song. Like the chorus had the least amount of time put into it.
That riff before the solo fucking rips though. Such Painkiller vibes.
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Anyone here wants to review the deluxe edition of the upcoming album?
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Just listened to the four singles on Spotify in a row. Not a dud among those. Only an occasional Priest fan but this is sounding great to this Painkiller-loving listener.
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Just listened to the four singles on Spotify in a row. Not a dud among those. Only an occasional Priest fan but this is sounding great to this Painkiller-loving listener.
I will write my review of the album this weekend, and there isn't a single boring point on this album. Might be my first 10/10.
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Just listened to the four singles on Spotify in a row. Not a dud among those. Only an occasional Priest fan but this is sounding great to this Painkiller-loving listener.
I will write my review of the album this weekend, and there isn't a single boring point on this album. Might be my first 10/10.
Nice. :smiley:
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Excellent album review by Stadler:
https://lotsofmuzik.com/judas-priest-invincible-shield-album-review-by-bill-feltovic/
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Nice review, Stads!
I know you're not a huge Priest fan, leaning more toward Maiden, but it sounds like you enjoyed the album. Hopefully mine arrives soon.
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Nice review, Stads!
I know you're not a huge Priest fan, leaning more toward Maiden, but it sounds like you enjoyed the album. Hopefully mine arrives soon.
I really did dig it. I struggled with the review, simply because "this is fucking awesome" gets boring, but in all seriousness I was really surprised by how well they touched on all the things you'd expect from a Priest record without ONCE sounding like a retread.
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I feel the same way about Saxon's new album. They may not be trying to re-invent the wheel at this stage but they sound energized and clearly not phoning anything in.
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I feel the same way about Saxon's new album. They may not be trying to re-invent the wheel at this stage but they sound energized and clearly not phoning anything in.
Saxon haven't disappointed for a long time and the new one certainly continues that trend.
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STAD !!! :metal
and on Saxon Man I saw them back in 83 on the Wheels / Long Arm of The Law tour era time,,,,, I always wanted Biffs bullet belt ..
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Nice review, Stads!
I know you're not a huge Priest fan, leaning more toward Maiden, but it sounds like you enjoyed the album. Hopefully mine arrives soon.
I really did dig it. I struggled with the review, simply because "this is fucking awesome" gets boring, but in all seriousness I was really surprised by how well they touched on all the things you'd expect from a Priest record without ONCE sounding like a retread.
Nice review! Friday can't come soon enough. I'm almost drooling at this point :lol.
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Really dig "The Serpent and the King." I canceled my pre-order on Amazon, and plan to go to Target for the expanded version on Friday. Looking forward to it.
Also picked up this live DVD on Amazon from the Screaming for Vengeance tour this morning, mostly because I am excited for Friday. Long live The Priest! :metal
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Excellent album review by Stadler:
https://lotsofmuzik.com/judas-priest-invincible-shield-album-review-by-bill-feltovic/
:metal
It's on Reddit (i.e., there's a thread about the review): https://www.reddit.com/r/judaspriest/comments/1b6p9vy/judas_priest_invincible_shield_album_review_by/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
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I had clearly skim-read the link and hasn't clocked the table was yours, Stadler. Nice work, man!
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I agree, very nice review and also "believable", as in, not just another "OMG the album roooookkkksss".
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Thanks guys; I appreciate it. I take the review thing seriously, and try really hard for it to NOT be "this is fucking awesome!". That helps no one. There's always going to be SOME opinion, that's the point, but I try to make it something that someone can relate to.
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It helps that you're pretty gifted as a writer:)
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Yeah, nice reading Bill!
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Adding my appreciation for the review. Great read.
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less than 48 hours till the album drops.... not that Im counting the hours LOL : )
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If this album is as good as hyped, it would mean (for me) that a band 50+ years into a career released 3 albums in a row where each one was better than the previous one. That's incredibly rare for a band to be around that long and then pull something like that off. And it's not like Nostradamus was total crap like St Anger, it was just very different and experimental.
Invincible Shield > Firepower > Redeemer of Souls > Nostradamus
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You can't really compare Nostradamus with anything else, but I probably favor it over Redeemer.
Firepower is of course better than Redeemer, let's see what this new one will hold!
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The last several are very good. I spun Anger Of Retribution last night and there are some bangers on it.
Redeemer, despite some odd sonic choices, is also enjoyable. Firepower rocks. I can pretty much pull any of their albums off the shelf and enjoy it from beginning to end. I can't say that about many bands.
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The last several are very good. I spun Anger Of Retribution last night and there are some bangers on it.
Redeemer, despite some odd sonic choices, is also enjoyable. Firepower rocks. I can pretty much pull any of their albums off the shelf and enjoy it from beginning to end. I can't say that about many bands.
thats true IMO .... all their albums are quality and i like them all
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Typo on the title LOL. ANGEL not anger.
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The last several are very good. I spun Anger Of Retribution last night and there are some bangers on it.
Redeemer, despite some odd sonic choices, is also enjoyable. Firepower rocks. I can pretty much pull any of their albums off the shelf and enjoy it from beginning to end. I can't say that about many bands.
It helps that most of their albums have a unique style and aren't all "same old, same old".
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Friday morning in AU and I am listening to IS via YTM, first thing that hit me is how good the production and mix are.
So far I'm impressed, but I know with 14 songs, there may be a dip in quality :biggrin:
Waiting on the Blu-Spec CD2 to come from Japan for the full audio nerd experience.
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Friday morning in AU and I am listening to IS via YTM, first thing that hit me is how good the production and mix are.
So far I'm impressed, but I know with 14 songs, there may be a dip in quality :biggrin:
Waiting on the Blu-Spec CD2 to come from Japan for the full audio nerd experience.
Was going to pick this one up but looks like JB are 'out of stock' on the deluxe edition. :\
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Having a listen now.
The title track fucking slays. Has traces of Hell Bent, Starbreaker and Rob at parts in the chorus sounds like RID era to me. Verse reminds me of some heavier Gamma Ray too. Really well written song.
Devil in Disguise reminds me of mid tempo Megadeth too.
Gates of Hell has an awesome catchy chorus. Sounds like Halford 4 a little, but better.
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This album is a beast. Loses a bit of steam near the end but I think a relisten will fix that. Everything here is well above par, except the Lodger, that's pretty crap. Dunno what the fuck they were thinking here, the chorus is terrible but everything else is fucking quality.
It's such a shame Glenn was in no shape to play anything here (lead wise, who knows about rhythm) but Richie is weapon, great guitar player.
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This album is a beast. Loses a bit of steam near the end but I think a relisten will fix that. Everything here is well above par, except the Lodger, that's pretty crap. Dunno what the fuck they were thinking here, the chorus is terrible but everything else is fucking quality.
It's such a shame Glenn was in no shape to play anything here (lead wise, who knows about rhythm) but Richie is weapon, great guitar player.
I'm totally pumped for this!!!! I wonder how it hold up against Firepower?
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This album is a beast. Loses a bit of steam near the end but I think a relisten will fix that. Everything here is well above par, except the Lodger, that's pretty crap. Dunno what the fuck they were thinking here, the chorus is terrible but everything else is fucking quality.
It's such a shame Glenn was in no shape to play anything here (lead wise, who knows about rhythm) but Richie is weapon, great guitar player.
I'm totally pumped for this!!!! I wonder how it hold up against Firepower?
Couldn't comment on that yet. Will need a lot of listens. It's hard to see it topping Firepower though, but it's very strong.
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Actually, when Firepower has songs like Rising and Traitor, yeah, don't see what's here that could top those, in isolation.
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Actually, when Firepower has songs like Rising and Traitor, yeah, don't see what's here that could top those, in isolation.
I hope the production is like Painkiller and Firepower. Those 2 songs are beasts!
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Yeah, it sounds amazing.
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except the Lodger, that's pretty crap. Dunno what the fuck they were thinking here, the chorus is terrible
Good news is it’s a bonus track so it doesn’t affect the quality of the actual album. ;)
That, Fight of Your Life and Vicious Circle are bonus tracks.
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except the Lodger, that's pretty crap. Dunno what the fuck they were thinking here, the chorus is terrible
Good news is it’s a bonus track so it doesn’t affect the quality of the actual album. ;)
That, Fight of Your Life and Vicious Circle are bonus tracks.
Yeah, I knew that, sorry should have mentioned that. The other two were as enjoyable as a lot of songs on the album though.
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17 minutes till available on Spotify ...again not that im counting the minutes : )
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PRIEST...PRIEST...PRIEST!!!! Loving this! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Just finished listening to it and man that hour just flew by. The production once again is fantastic as usual but I come to expect that with Sneap at the helm. The entire band sound energized and clearly put their all into it. Especially Rob who sounds fantastic here. While I don't hate The Lodger it's definitely the closest thing to a clunker on the album and I can see how it got relegated to the deluxe edition.
One of the stand out tracks for me is As God is my Witness. The instrumentation gives me Hard as Iron vibes and I just love the energy.
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A nice interview with Ian Hill from a few days ago.
https://www.allmusic.com/blog/post/judas-priests-ian-hill-discusses-new-album (https://www.allmusic.com/blog/post/judas-priests-ian-hill-discusses-new-album)
And I can't wait to spend the weekend with the new album. I loved Firepower and this one seems to be just as good.
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On my first listen, and this fucking thing CRUSHES. Really impressed. :metal
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I'm loving the album. It's amazing that they can deliver something like this so late in their career - the last two have been killer and Redeemer of Souls was really cool too.
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TBH, Grapp, I thought Redeemer, Firepower, and now this, are easily some of the standouts from their entire catalog. Just sonically, they sound massive. I'm blown away Rob can sound like this in his 70s.
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One of the stand out tracks for me is As God is my Witness. The instrumentation gives me Hard as Iron vibes and I just love the energy.
This one blew me away on first listen. :metal
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Holy fucking shit this album is incredible!
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Holy fucking shit this album is incredible!
I'm not even a Judas Priest fan, but....
This!
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Just placed my order for the expanded edition at Target. Almost forgot. I will pick it up after work. Glad I remembered to grab it before it sold out.
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Also loving the album! Comparing to Firepower, my first impression is that Firepower has somewhat a bit more personality than this one, but, it's a very tiny complaint, since the quality of the compositions is excellent. Another minor one, I wish they expanded a bit the instrumental part on Giants in the Sky, after that flamenco guitar solo (so short and very Michael Schenker-ish! :heart).
Anyway, very happy with the Faulkner era as I also really like a lot Redeemer - I just think it doesn't have the same sound quality than Firepower and Invicible.
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Great as expected, but I will say that I think it’s missing some of that 70s style light and shade that Faulkner kind of hinted would be there. Rob does indeed sound phenomenal.
I wish Maiden would bring the riffs like this.
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TBH, Grapp, I thought Redeemer, Firepower, and now this, are easily some of the standouts from their entire catalog. Just sonically, they sound massive. I'm blown away Rob can sound like this in his 70s.
After seeing them live in 2022, I tended to listen to Redeemer and Firepower more than the classic albums. Painkiller will always be their high-water mark though.
I love that they just put the pedal to the metal and didn't let up given their ages. Instrumentally, this album has songs that keep up with a lot of the stuff on Painkiller and wouldn't sound out pf place next to them and Halford somehow laid down vocals that are just as strong as 30 years ago.
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I wish Maiden would bring the riffs like this.
That’s never been Maiden’s game.
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Listened to this on a car journey today. Not a Priest super-fan but this is great!
As God Is My Witness was my favourite on first listen. I made jaw drop faces and bit my lip when that chorus dropped. :metal
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My only problem with this album is that I'm going to be pissed off seeing them live if they don't play all these songs....well, NOT The Lodger but you get my drift! This album is fooking METALTASTIC! :hefdaddy :metal :metal :metal
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My only problem with this album is that I'm going to be pissed off seeing them live if they don't play all these songs....well, NOT The Lodger but you get my drift! This album is fooking METALTASTIC! :hefdaddy :metal :metal :metal
Yeah, for me, they need to represent this with at least five songs. I do feel the three bonus tracks are on the weak side. Glad they aren't on the album proper. (Although they are on my CD.) When I rip the CD, I'll shuffle those three into a b-sides compilation for Priest that I have. But yes, they need to play a lot of the record.
Sadly, no tour dates by me except for a festival I'm not going to attend. So have to cross my fingers they come back and play properly.
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I don't know; I kind of like The Lodger for what it is. It's not on the album proper, and it's a little bit of something different. I haven't seen this in any interviews or anything but I am convinced it's based on the novel of the same name which makes it a bit of fun.
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I don't know; I kind of like The Lodger for what it is. It's not on the album proper, and it's a little bit of something different. I haven't seen this in any interviews or anything but I am convinced it's based on the novel of the same name which makes it a bit of fun.
I think I did read that somewhere. I do like the chorus of "vengeance is mine".
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I wish Maiden would bring the riffs like this.
That’s never been Maiden’s game.
Also noteworthy that Priest have new young blood keeping them at a high level, I doubt this would be the case if Glenn and KK were still there. Yeah, KK's stuff is cool but not close to new Priest. Maiden are geezers and still doing some high level stuff too.
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My only problem with this album is that I'm going to be pissed off seeing them live if they don't play all these songs....well, NOT The Lodger but you get my drift! This album is fooking METALTASTIC! :hefdaddy :metal :metal :metal
Yeah, for me, they need to represent this with at least five songs.
Agreed...but what 5? That leaves AT LEAST 6 for me to complain about! :mehlin
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They did it again! So many great riffs. You keep thinking the next song has to drop off but then you get kicked in the nads again. Superior sonic values too. Everything is clear and punchy. It's a metal masterclass.
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I don't know; I kind of like The Lodger for what it is. It's not on the album proper, and it's a little bit of something different. I haven't seen this in any interviews or anything but I am convinced it's based on the novel of the same name which makes it a bit of fun.
This song was composed only by Bob Halligan Jr., who contributed on (Take These) Chains and Some Heads Are Gonna Roll. The rest of album was composed by Halford/Tipton/Faulkner, all according to Spotify.
It makes sense, The Lodger is the most different song on the album.
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Does the CD booklet point to any solos by Glenn?
I don't know; I kind of like The Lodger for what it is.
Me too.
I wish Maiden would bring the riffs like this.
That’s never been Maiden’s game.
Also noteworthy that Priest have new young blood keeping them at a high level, I doubt this would be the case if Glenn and KK were still there. Yeah, KK's stuff is cool but not close to new Priest. Maiden are geezers and still doing some high level stuff too.
I don't know if I'd call Richie Faulkner new blood any more. I think it has to do more with Andy Sneap really pushing the musical direction. He did that when Mark Tornillo joined Accept, and is largely responsible for their direction especially on Blood Of The Nations.
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My favorite spot on the album is the three album run of Crown Of Horns-As God Is My Witness-Trial By Fire.
Also really love the title track. Probably my #1 on the album. The solo is :metal
The handful of tracks after Trial By Fire could easily be cut in half. The album kind of limps towards the end a bit.
It sounds as if Axl Rose is singing the verses of Fight Of Your Life.
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Does the CD booklet point to any solos by Glenn?
I don't have the CD mate but listening to this, no, there's nothing here from Glenn, unfortunately. Maybe there's some rhythm guitars, but leads, there may be a couple of easy fills here and there in verses and things, but I'm reaching, it's all Richie.
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Listening now and nothing in the liner notes about who does what, but I did find this article that states Glenn only played on 4 songs. Doesn't name them.
https://www.revolvermag.com/music/i-dont-give-fk-rob-halford-judas-priests-outspoken-new-album-invincible-shield
Both Tipton and Faulkner were heavily involved in the making of Invincible Shield, though Tipton only physically played on four songs.
"His guitar playing has been limited by Parkinson's, but his input for this album has been indelible," Halford says. "He's been hands-on every step of the way. His overview of the arrangements, the lyrics, the production, the mixing — everything — is there with us."
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Looking forward to seeing Judas Priest live at Graspop this summer.
I’ve been listening to a few of their tracks for years now, primarily Painkiller and the Firepower album. I’ve never been able to get into Iron Maiden, I miss heaviness in their sound and badass riffs. Judas Priest has that in spades.
I’ve been enjoying their new singles a lot and can’t wait to listen to the full album. Still have to dive into their classics but sound-wise their latest two albums sound like something I really enjoy. It’s kind of weird and special that a veteran band can sound this vital.
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Heard it once today while relatively busy but overall the first impression is good. Someone mentioned As God is My Witness as one of the standout tracks and, of the "new" ones, I tend to agree. Gonna have to spend many more listenings with this!
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For now, I'm gonna just say I'm enjoying this VERY much
(actually, random comment - I've read someone say the beginning of Panic Attack sounds like a mix of Tom Sawyer and DT's New Millennium...can't say I disagree ;) I think someone here on DTF noted a Tom Sawyer reference in the instrumental section too)
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I just posted part of this post over in the albums thread, but had to make an appearance here as well.
I'm honestly so bowled over by this album. Judas Priest have always been one of those older metal bands I can enjoy, but never came close to being one of my favourites. If I'm talking about my all time favourite metal bands/albums, then my ground zero is basically Metallica's Kill 'Em All. Thrash is where metal REALLY got good as far as I'm concerned. I appreciate the stuff that came before, and it's importance in Metallica's existence in the first place, but generally it's doesn't get my blood pumping in the same way. That's just a background on where I've been at with Priest, ever since getting into metal.
I wasn't even going to check this album out, but Glasser kinda convinced me (cheers dude). Well, it hit me like a ton of bricks yesterday and I can't even really explain it, but I know it's predominantly about the fucking riffs! A good barometer for me is how much I air guitar to a riff/solo.
Well let me tell you, this thing has had me air guitaring whilst cooking, in the shower and whilst I'm taking a shit. That says it all. Invincible Shield just makes me want to bang my head and shred my air guitar. The production is also of the highest order, and everything just feels beefy.
I'm on my third listen through since yesterday, and those first 3 or 4 songs in particular have just floored me. I can't quite comprehend how a band of guys who, for the most part, are all in their 70s, have it in them. It's like the reverse of my awe for early Enslaved where Ivar was writing groundbreaking black metal at like 13 and 14. It adds a level of respect for the album to be honest.
It's also got me thinking about Metallica and their latest album. Purely my opinion, but Invincible Shield has heart and soul, and a level of energy that I find lacking on 72 Seasons. Also, the riffs (and yes, I will keep harping on about the riffs) felt recycled and stale on 72 Seasons for me, whilst these ones feel fresh. It in no way feels like a band going through the motions. I've had a bit of a feeling of disappointment that Metallica don't seem to still have it in them to record an album this good.
Maybe this year will be the year I become a Priest convert.
Oh, also, count me as one of those who digs The Lodger :metal
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I liked a lot of the new songs I’ve heard.
But for the Metallica comparison, keep in mind that the dudes in Metallica writing the riffs have been doing so for 40 years while the guy writing the bulk of the riffs for the new JP has been doing so for a little over 10 years. Hard to compare energy.
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I liked a lot of the new songs I’ve heard.
But for the Metallica comparison, keep in mind that the dudes in Metallica writing the riffs have been doing so for 40 years while the guy writing the bulk of the riffs for the new JP has been doing so for a little over 10 years. Hard to compare energy.
That's fair, and shows my ignorance around the inner workings of Judas Priest. Carry on.
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I saw an interview with Richie where he said that Glenn wrote a decent amount of riffs. The problem was he could not play what was in his head. Glenn had several sit downs with Richie where he would describe and teach Richie the riff until it was what Glenn had in his head. He said Glenn was very present in directing the band in the studio.
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I just posted part of this post over in the albums thread, but had to make an appearance here as well.
I'm honestly so bowled over by this album. Judas Priest have always been one of those older metal bands I can enjoy, but never came close to being one of my favourites. If I'm talking about my all time favourite metal bands/albums, then my ground zero is basically Metallica's Kill 'Em All. Thrash is where metal REALLY got good as far as I'm concerned. I appreciate the stuff that came before, and it's importance in Metallica's existence in the first place, but generally it's doesn't get my blood pumping in the same way. That's just a background on where I've been at with Priest, ever since getting into metal.
I wasn't even going to check this album out, but Glasser kinda convinced me (cheers dude). Well, it hit me like a ton of bricks yesterday and I can't even really explain it, but I know it's predominantly about the fucking riffs! A good barometer for me is how much I air guitar to a riff/solo.
Well let me tell you, this thing has had me air guitaring whilst cooking, in the shower and whilst I'm taking a shit. That says it all. Invincible Shield just makes me want to bang my head and shred my air guitar. The production is also of the highest order, and everything just feels beefy.
I'm on my third listen through since yesterday, and those first 3 or 4 songs in particular have just floored me. I can't quite comprehend how a band of guys who, for the most part, are all in their 70s, have it in them. It's like the reverse of my awe for early Enslaved where Ivar was writing groundbreaking black metal at like 13 and 14. It adds a level of respect for the album to be honest.
It's also got me thinking about Metallica and their latest album. Purely my opinion, but Invincible Shield has heart and soul, and a level of energy that I find lacking on 72 Seasons. Also, the riffs (and yes, I will keep harping on about the riffs) felt recycled and stale on 72 Seasons for me, whilst these ones feel fresh. It in no way feels like a band going through the motions. I've had a bit of a feeling of disappointment that Metallica don't seem to still have it in them to record an album this good.
Maybe this year will be the year I become a Priest convert.
Oh, also, count me as one of those who digs The Lodger :metal
Cheers! Priest has many eras, all very different. Stained Class, Defenders of the Faith, and Screaming for Vengeance are my personal favorites, but if you are enjoying this I would recommend revisiting or checking out Firepower and Painkiller for sure. I also personally like Redeemer of Souls and Angel of Retribution a lot as well.
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I saw an interview with Richie where he said that Glenn wrote a decent amount of riffs. The problem was he could not play what was in his head. Glenn had several sit downs with Richie where he would describe and teach Richie the riff until it was what Glenn had in his head. He said Glenn was very present in directing the band in the studio.
What a genius.
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Heard it this morning again and it sounds very solid.
If this is their last album, I'm gonna discard the bonus tracks and consider Giants in the Sky as their official final song:
Giants in the sky
You won't ever die
Giants in the sky
You won't ever die
Giants in the sky
You....
Won't ever....
Dieeeeeee!!!!!
:metal
Of course Judas Priest's music will never die!
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Two spins under my belt. Almost unbelievable that guys of their age could make an album this great.
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Two spins under my belt. Almost unbelievable that guys of their age could make an album this great.
It really is UNBELIEVABLE but, the proof is in the METAL! :metal
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Heard it this morning again and it sounds very solid.
If this is their last album, I'm gonna discard the bonus tracks and consider Giants in the Sky as their official final song:
Giants in the sky
You won't ever die
Giants in the sky
You won't ever die
Giants in the sky
You....
Won't ever....
Dieeeeeee!!!!!
:metal
Of course Judas Priest's music will never die!
Yes, quite a fitting end to the standard edition of the album, and of their career as well if that ends up to be their last studio album.
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I like this album a lot... and its growing on me... has the feel at times of Robs solo stuff,, I kinda miss the sweetness and fun of Firepower. but I get that they really wanted to do a Metal CD this time.
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Yeah, it gets better with every listening.
I'm glad I didn't overplay the singles - I just got sucked in by Crown of Horns 'cause it's so damn catchy, but by the time the album came, I basically forgot about Panic Attack and I can enjoy it with relatively fresh ears.
There are no duds on this album, only songs that are better than some other ones.
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It's hard to believe that Halford is 72 years old when listening to the end of Trial By Fire, for instance. I wonder how he's going to pull that off live.
Are they still doing all the songs in the original key live, or have the dropped some of them? Off the back catalogue I mean.
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Invincible Shield
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwMZ20ZVZeE
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5 videos until now. Maybe the 5 new songs on the next tour?
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I've never been much of a JP fan. I just never got into them and mostly wasn't a huge fan of Rob's vocals. It just never connected. I've also never seen them live before. I have wanted to see them live though and since it seems that it may actually happen for me soon, I decided to listen to the new album. It's pretty good, definitely enjoy guitars and production of the album, sounds good. But I still, just can't get into Rob's vocals. They are fine on some songs, and others, it just isn't for me. I'm only on my second listen today, but my first spin was overall still pretty positive. Not sure if this will change my overall feelings though about JP (probably not, maybe the live show will?).
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I've never been much of a JP fan. I just never got into them and mostly wasn't a huge fan of Rob's vocals. It just never connected. I've also never seen them live before. I have wanted to see them live though and since it seems that it may actually happen for me soon, I decided to listen to the new album. It's pretty good, definitely enjoy guitars and production of the album, sounds good. But I still, just can't get into Rob's vocals. They are fine on some songs, and others, it just isn't for me. I'm only on my second listen today, but my first spin was overall still pretty positive. Not sure if this will change my overall feelings though about JP (probably not, maybe the live show will?).
I hear you. Oddly, given my age and my love for metal my entire life, Judas Priest is remarkably not anywhere near a favorite for me.
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I became an IMMEDIATE FAN of PRIEST back in 1978 when they SUPPORTED ANGEL (who I was there to see) at 2 shows I saw at the palladium in NYC! The twin guitar attack and searing vocals of Rob Halford hit me immediately. From that point on, I was ALL IN on THE METAL GODS! To THIS DAY, my favorite metal band, BY FAR of ALL TIME! :metal
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I became an IMMEDIATE FAN of PRIEST back in 1978 when they SUPPORTED ANGEL (who I was there to see) at 2 shows I saw at the palladium in NYC! The twin guitar attack and searing vocals of Rob Halford hit me immediately. From that point on, I was ALL IN on THE METAL GODS! To THIS DAY, my favorite metal band, BY FAR of ALL TIME! :metal
Love this post I was there!!! that was some effin show... I thought when rob brought out the bike and revved it the ceiling was gonna cave in crazy times as it feels like just a few months later Iron Maiden with Paul opened for JP at the Palladium ... I wish I could remember those days better .. was a big blur
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I became an IMMEDIATE FAN of PRIEST back in 1978 when they SUPPORTED ANGEL (who I was there to see) at 2 shows I saw at the palladium in NYC! The twin guitar attack and searing vocals of Rob Halford hit me immediately. From that point on, I was ALL IN on THE METAL GODS! To THIS DAY, my favorite metal band, BY FAR of ALL TIME! :metal
Love this post I was there!!! that was some effin show... I thought when rob brought out the bike and revved it the ceiling was gonna cave in
:tup I was floored! :omg:
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I became an IMMEDIATE FAN of PRIEST back in 1978 when they SUPPORTED ANGEL (who I was there to see) at 2 shows I saw at the palladium in NYC! The twin guitar attack and searing vocals of Rob Halford hit me immediately. From that point on, I was ALL IN on THE METAL GODS! To THIS DAY, my favorite metal band, BY FAR of ALL TIME! :metal
Love this post I was there!!! that was some effin show... I thought when rob brought out the bike and revved it the ceiling was gonna cave in
:tup I was floored! :omg:
and I still love ANGEL WHITE HOT IS SO CLASSIC
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I became an IMMEDIATE FAN of PRIEST back in 1978 when they SUPPORTED ANGEL (who I was there to see) at 2 shows I saw at the palladium in NYC! The twin guitar attack and searing vocals of Rob Halford hit me immediately. From that point on, I was ALL IN on THE METAL GODS! To THIS DAY, my favorite metal band, BY FAR of ALL TIME! :metal
Love this post I was there!!! that was some effin show... I thought when rob brought out the bike and revved it the ceiling was gonna cave in
:tup I was floored! :omg:
DTww did you see Maiden with Paul open for JP after that show ( was it months later a year late? I cant remember) but that was also some show .. Palladium was a great place
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I became an IMMEDIATE FAN of PRIEST back in 1978 when they SUPPORTED ANGEL (who I was there to see) at 2 shows I saw at the palladium in NYC! The twin guitar attack and searing vocals of Rob Halford hit me immediately. From that point on, I was ALL IN on THE METAL GODS! To THIS DAY, my favorite metal band, BY FAR of ALL TIME! :metal
Love this post I was there!!! that was some effin show... I thought when rob brought out the bike and revved it the ceiling was gonna cave in
:tup I was floored! :omg:
and I still love ANGEL WHITE HOT IS SO CLASSIC
DTww did you see Maiden with Paul open for JP after that show ( was it months later a year late? I cant remember) but that was also some show .. Palladium was a great place
Yep. I've attended EVERY JP tour in NY/NJ since becoming aware of them from their support slot for ANGEL (who I still love to this day). Saw Maiden open for Priest MANY TIMES! :metal
Yeah, the Palladium was a great theater! In the '70's & '80's my two rock theaters were the Palladium and the Capitol Theater in Passaic, NJ. Saw so many shows at both places!
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Listened to more Priest in one day today than I ever have before, I think.
Apart from a few songs here and there, previous experience was Sad Wings on vinyl as a kid, Ram It Down, Painkiller and Jugulator - and Painkiller was the only one of those I really dug.
After a terrific play through of Invincible Shield this morning (I like it better without the bonus tracks btw) I played through SFV and DOTF, neither had I heard before and enjoyed them a lot. It's surprising to me how often a "radio" feel cropped up among the shredding.
I canned Turbo halfway through the opening number. I've always enjoyed the Ram It Down title track but not the rest and I didn't make it through the second track. Listened to half of Painkiller which I know and love very well.
Back on the Shield as I type. Keeps getting more fun!
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^^^ I'm a Priest fan from way back (saw the Screaming... tour) and pretty much SFV and DOTF are their two best albums, IMO. I have others that are favorites, but in terms of PRIEST! and their sound, those tare the ones. I always thought Painkiller was overrated, frankly. Turbo and Ram It Down should have been one album, as intended, and it might have been better.
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I became an IMMEDIATE FAN of PRIEST back in 1978 when they SUPPORTED ANGEL (who I was there to see) at 2 shows I saw at the palladium in NYC! The twin guitar attack and searing vocals of Rob Halford hit me immediately. From that point on, I was ALL IN on THE METAL GODS! To THIS DAY, my favorite metal band, BY FAR of ALL TIME! :metal
Love this post I was there!!! that was some effin show... I thought when rob brought out the bike and revved it the ceiling was gonna cave in
:tup I was floored! :omg:
and I still love ANGEL WHITE HOT IS SO CLASSIC
DTww did you see Maiden with Paul open for JP after that show ( was it months later a year late? I cant remember) but that was also some show .. Palladium was a great place
Yep. I've attended EVERY JP tour in NY/NJ since becoming aware of them from their support slot for ANGEL (who I still love to this day). Saw Maiden open for Priest MANY TIMES! :metal
Yeah, the Palladium was a great theater! In the '70's & '80's my two rock theaters were the Palladium and the Capitol Theater in Passaic, NJ. Saw so many shows at both places!
we attended many of the same shows!!! yes I saw Maiden open for Priest every time they opened LOL loved all those venues also best of times
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I played through SFV and DOTF, neither had I heard before and enjoyed them a lot.
WOW!!
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^^^ I'm a Priest fan from way back (saw the Screaming... tour) and pretty much SFV and DOTF are their two best albums, IMO. I have others that are favorites, but in terms of PRIEST! and their sound, those tare the ones. I always thought Painkiller was overrated, frankly. Turbo and Ram It Down should have been one album, as intended, and it might have been better.
as an old skool Judas fan since Hell Bent tour... I was super happy and sorta knocked out when then broke thru with British Steel.. I have to say that was a very exciting time as till then they were not very popular.. in many ways 1979 80 81 82 was to me when METAL formed out of the greats like Thin Lizzy, Sabbath with Priest taking from Lizzy and Maiden taking from Lizzy and Metal was made.. I was also really really into Aerosmith after loving the Beatles
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....1979 80 81 82 was to me when METAL formed out of the greats like Thin Lizzy with Priest taking from Lizzy and Maiden taking for Lizzy and Metal was made.. I was also really really into Aerosmith after loving the Beatles
My favorite 3 album run from Aerosmith is Night In The Ruts-Rock In A Hard Place-Done With Mirrors.
Call me nuts but 1979-1982 Aerosmith was actually my favorite period of the band. Throw in Joe Perry's first two albums in there while we're at it, especially I've Got The Rock n Rolls Again.
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....1979 80 81 82 was to me when METAL formed out of the greats like Thin Lizzy with Priest taking from Lizzy and Maiden taking for Lizzy and Metal was made.. I was also really really into Aerosmith after loving the Beatles
My favorite 3 album run from Aerosmith is Night In The Ruts-Rock In A Hard Place-Done With Mirrors.
Call me nuts but 1979-1982 Aerosmith was actually my favorite period of the band. Throw in Joe Perry's first two albums in there while we're at it, especially I've Got The Rock n Rolls Again.
I love every Aero since the first one.. a sleeper fav of mine is Permanent Vacation I saw JPP open for Ozzy w Randy that show also had Def Leppard on their first US tour
bro has there ever been an Aerosmith thread here?
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Listened to more Priest in one day today than I ever have before, I think.
Apart from a few songs here and there, previous experience was Sad Wings on vinyl as a kid, Ram It Down, Painkiller and Jugulator - and Painkiller was the only one of those I really dug.
After a terrific play through of Invincible Shield this morning (I like it better without the bonus tracks btw) I played through SFV and DOTF, neither had I heard before and enjoyed them a lot. It's surprising to me how often a "radio" feel cropped up among the shredding.
I canned Turbo halfway through the opening number. I've always enjoyed the Ram It Down title track but not the rest and I didn't make it through the second track. Listened to half of Painkiller which I know and love very well.
Back on the Shield as I type. Keeps getting more fun!
RID is one of the spottiest albums ever created. Some absolute tripe but if you search through the songs, Hard as Iron and Blood Red Skies are classics. I'm a Rocker is a classic to me too but I guess that's debatable to some. Monsters of Rock is decent too.
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Listened to more Priest in one day today than I ever have before, I think.
Apart from a few songs here and there, previous experience was Sad Wings on vinyl as a kid, Ram It Down, Painkiller and Jugulator - and Painkiller was the only one of those I really dug.
After a terrific play through of Invincible Shield this morning (I like it better without the bonus tracks btw) I played through SFV and DOTF, neither had I heard before and enjoyed them a lot. It's surprising to me how often a "radio" feel cropped up among the shredding.
I canned Turbo halfway through the opening number. I've always enjoyed the Ram It Down title track but not the rest and I didn't make it through the second track. Listened to half of Painkiller which I know and love very well.
Back on the Shield as I type. Keeps getting more fun!
RID is one of the spottiest albums ever created. Some absolute tripe but if you search through the songs, Hard as Iron and Blood Red Skies are classics. I'm a Rocker is a classic to me too but I guess that's debatable to some. Monsters of Rock is decent too.
agreed and RID is not a fav of mine... would come towards the bottom of my list actually
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^^^ I'm a Priest fan from way back (saw the Screaming... tour) and pretty much SFV and DOTF are their two best albums, IMO. I have others that are favorites, but in terms of PRIEST! and their sound, those tare the ones. I always thought Painkiller was overrated, frankly. Turbo and Ram It Down should have been one album, as intended, and it might have been better.
as an old skool Judas fan since Hell Bent tour... I was super happy and sorta knocked out when then broke thru with British Steel.. I have to say that was a very exciting time as till then they were not very popular.. in many ways 1979 80 81 82 was to me when METAL formed out of the greats like Thin Lizzy, Sabbath with Priest taking from Lizzy and Maiden taking from Lizzy and Metal was made.. I was also really really into Aerosmith after loving the Beatles
:tup
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Listened to more Priest in one day today than I ever have before, I think.
Apart from a few songs here and there, previous experience was Sad Wings on vinyl as a kid, Ram It Down, Painkiller and Jugulator - and Painkiller was the only one of those I really dug.
After a terrific play through of Invincible Shield this morning (I like it better without the bonus tracks btw) I played through SFV and DOTF, neither had I heard before and enjoyed them a lot. It's surprising to me how often a "radio" feel cropped up among the shredding.
I canned Turbo halfway through the opening number. I've always enjoyed the Ram It Down title track but not the rest and I didn't make it through the second track. Listened to half of Painkiller which I know and love very well.
Back on the Shield as I type. Keeps getting more fun!
RID is one of the spottiest albums ever created. Some absolute tripe but if you search through the songs, Hard as Iron and Blood Red Skies are classics. I'm a Rocker is a classic to me too but I guess that's debatable to some. Monsters of Rock is decent too.
agreed and RID is not a fav of mine... would come towards the bottom of my list actually
SAME
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I'll still put BRITISH STEEL up against ANY classic metal album!
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Have to say I'm really disappointed in the JP setlist. ONLY 3 NEW songs :censored :censoredand rest of set, other than Saints In Hell (which was played on last tour), it's same ol' same ol'! :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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I'll still put BRITISH STEEL up against ANY classic metal album!
I find it one of their most overrated albums.
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I'll still put BRITISH STEEL up against ANY classic metal album!
:metal :tup
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I'll still put BRITISH STEEL up against ANY classic metal album!
I find it one of their most overrated albums.
Same. They over-simplified the style of the previous albums.
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I'll still put BRITISH STEEL up against ANY classic metal album!
I find it one of their most overrated albums.
I find that impossible as it has STEELER on it and that song still is smoldering like a volcano as i type this.. its still on fire and smoking, its never gone out .. so it cant be rated still to this day... : )
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Fun fact: The new album rips
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I'll still put BRITISH STEEL up against ANY classic metal album!
I find it one of their most overrated albums.
Isn't that like saying "Number of the Beast" is overrated? Impossible! ;)
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I'll still put BRITISH STEEL up against ANY classic metal album!
I find it one of their most overrated albums.
Isn't that like saying "Number of the Beast" is overrated? Impossible! ;)
There are plenty around here that have done just that.
I like British Steel, but well, I don't know if I'd call it overrated, I mean it's an iconic album for sure, but...
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I always thought Painkiller was overrated, frankly.
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In the last 25-30 years of being on internet forums and email discussion lists, I can recall exactly one person making this statement. And it happened today.
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:lol
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I always thought Painkiller was overrated, frankly.
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In the last 25-30 years of being on internet forums and email discussion lists, I can recall exactly one person making this statement. And it happened today.
that made me laugh
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I always thought Painkiller was overrated, frankly.
???
In the last 25-30 years of being on internet forums and email discussion lists, I can recall exactly one person making this statement. And it happened today.
It's not Stadler's kind of metal/hard rock. Priest went "next level" in terms of metal with Painkiller.
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I'll still put BRITISH STEEL up against ANY classic metal album!
I find it one of their most overrated albums.
Isn't that like saying "Number of the Beast" is overrated? Impossible! ;)
Except I wouldn't call TNOTB overrated.
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Not sue if YT links are OK so I won't post them, but new vids from Glasgow are up with performances of Panic Attack and Invincible Shield.
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Not sue if YT links are OK so I won't post them, but new vids from Glasgow are up with performances of Panic Attack and Invincible Shield.
There's quite a few more there too. Watched Painkiller just before. Considering Rob's age, it's totally fine really. A bit think obviously but really quite cool.
Richie is a monster too.
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Listened to more Priest in one day today than I ever have before, I think.
Apart from a few songs here and there, previous experience was Sad Wings on vinyl as a kid, Ram It Down, Painkiller and Jugulator - and Painkiller was the only one of those I really dug.
After a terrific play through of Invincible Shield this morning (I like it better without the bonus tracks btw) I played through SFV and DOTF, neither had I heard before and enjoyed them a lot. It's surprising to me how often a "radio" feel cropped up among the shredding.
I canned Turbo halfway through the opening number. I've always enjoyed the Ram It Down title track but not the rest and I didn't make it through the second track. Listened to half of Painkiller which I know and love very well.
Back on the Shield as I type. Keeps getting more fun!
You really need to listen to Stained Class. I also echo what Wolfking said about Ram it Down, lots of good stuff on there.
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I always thought Painkiller was overrated, frankly.
???
In the last 25-30 years of being on internet forums and email discussion lists, I can recall exactly one person making this statement. And it happened today.
It's not Stadler's kind of metal/hard rock. Priest went "next level" in terms of metal with Painkiller.
It's not.
By the way, "Night In The Ruts" is probably my favorite Aerosmith album. Then "Get Your Wings" and then "Toys In The Attic".
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Gates of Hell is a sick song. This is very much hitting my power metal love without being full blown power metal. Great song.
A few more listens in from yesterday and I'm digging the album.
I don't know if it's a good comparison, but considering the timing and the similarities between Rob and Bruce, I'm digging Invincible Shield more than the Mandrake Project.
Have to say I'm really disappointed in the JP setlist. ONLY 3 NEW songs :censored :censoredand rest of set, other than Saints In Hell (which was played on last tour), it's same ol' same ol'! :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Even as a "new" fan and my first time seeing them coming up next month, I'd rather see some of these new songs over the same ole same ole. Was hoping to see closer to 5 than 3 of the new songs. Maybe it'll change when they come to the US? I don't follow them closely to gauge how they do things.
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I always thought Painkiller was overrated, frankly.
???
In the last 25-30 years of being on internet forums and email discussion lists, I can recall exactly one person making this statement. And it happened today.
It's not Stadler's kind of metal/hard rock. Priest went "next level" in terms of metal with Painkiller.
It's not.
By the way, "Night In The Ruts" is probably my favorite Aerosmith album. Then "Get Your Wings" and then "Toys In The Attic".
Now there's an overrated album. :)
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I always thought Painkiller was overrated, frankly.
???
In the last 25-30 years of being on internet forums and email discussion lists, I can recall exactly one person making this statement. And it happened today.
It's not Stadler's kind of metal/hard rock. Priest went "next level" in terms of metal with Painkiller.
It's not.
By the way, "Night In The Ruts" is probably my favorite Aerosmith album. Then "Get Your Wings" and then "Toys In The Attic".
all are great I too love Night in the Ruts
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I don't know if it's a good comparison, but considering the timing and the similarities between Rob and Bruce, I'm digging Invincible Shield more than the Mandrake Project.
I'm more of a Maiden/Dickinson guy than a JP guy (although I love them too)...but I couldn't agree more. Invincible Shield sounds so good and it's such a blast.
Maybe it's time for Maiden and/or Bruce to start working with Sneap now! (Not that I'm complaining about Maiden's recent albums, actually...but, jokes aside, as Tim observed, it really seems like Sneap can get the best out of the "older", classic guys. And production is definitely one thing where Maiden could use some sprucing up, I think)
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Thanks for the tips re RID, all. I'll check out some of those tunes. I used to own it on CD so they might come back to me. Will check Stained Class too.
Listened to British Steel and SFV again today. BS (haha!) was also fun but enjoyed SFV more.
Also love the idea of a different approach from Maiden in the production stakes. V much doubt this will happen, though.
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Gates of Hell is a sick song. This is very much hitting my power metal love without being full blown power metal. Great song.
A few more listens in from yesterday and I'm digging the album.
I don't know if it's a good comparison, but considering the timing and the similarities between Rob and Bruce, I'm digging Invincible Shield more than the Mandrake Project.
Have to say I'm really disappointed in the JP setlist. ONLY 3 NEW songs :censored :censoredand rest of set, other than Saints In Hell (which was played on last tour), it's same ol' same ol'! :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Even as a "new" fan and my first time seeing them coming up next month, I'd rather see some of these new songs over the same ole same ole. Was hoping to see closer to 5 than 3 of the new songs. Maybe it'll change when they come to the US? I don't follow them closely to gauge how they do things.
This may actually be my fav on the album. The chorus is tremendous and Richie's solo is world class.
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Invincible Shield is currently the #1 highest rated album of the year on Rate Your Music! Really cool to see!
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Ranking time!
Stained Class
Painkiller
Sad Wings of Destiny
Defenders of the Faith
Screaming for Vengeance
Sin after Sin
Ram it Down
Invincible Shield
Firepower
Killing Machine
Angel of Retribution
Redeemer of Souls
British Steel
Turbo
Nostradamus
Rocka Rolla
Point of Entry
Jugulator
Demolition
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Ranking time!
Stained Class
Painkiller
Sad Wings of Destiny
Defenders of the Faith
Screaming for Vengeance
Sin after Sin
Ram it Down
Invincible Shield
Firepower
Killing Machine
Angel of Retribution
Redeemer of Souls
British Steel
Turbo
Nostradamus
Rocka Rolla
Point of Entry
Jugulator
Demolition
Knock Painkiller down to RiD territory and that's pretty close to my top tier. Point of Entry moves up a bit on the strength of Solar Angels and Desert Plains. It's certainly better than British Steel (which is highly overrated).
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British Steel
Screaming for Vengeance
Hell Bent for Leather
Point of Entry
Invincible Shield
Defenders of the Faith
Stained Class
Redeemer of Souls
Firepower
Painkiller
Angel of Retribution
Sin after Sin
Sad Wings of Destiny
Ram it Down
Turbo
Nostradamus
Rocka Rolla
Jugulator
Demolition
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Just doing the classic albums, as I'm not qualified to judge the latter ones, this is what I came up with. Sad Wings and Stained Class are pretty much interchangeable for me. It's really amazing how much difference the drummer makes with Priest albums.
1 Stained Class
2 Sad Wings of Destiny
3 Sin After Sin
4 Defenders of the Faith
5 Screaming for Vengeance
6 Rocka Rolla
7 Painkiller
8 Point of Entry
9 Ram it Down
10 British Steel
11 Killing Machine
12 Turbo
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For some reason I don't get the love for Stained Class. There's only three songs there that interests me - Exciter, Better By You Better Than Me, and Beyond The Realms Of Death. The rest are just average.
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For some reason I don't get the love for Stained Class. There's only three songs there that interests me - Exciter, Better By You Better Than Me, and Beyond The Realms Of Death. The rest are just average.
I can see that. Some songs might well be turnoffs for people; Invader, Savage, White Heat. For me there's just a sound to it that really works. Priest was always changing with the times, so their albums are often quite different, and that particular iteration of the band was what I wanted to hear. Les Binks was a big part of it, and he also brought a groove I really dug. Looking at Saints in Hell and the title track there.
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With a little help from PubMeeble....
1 Painkiller
2 Defenders of the Faith
3 Sad Wings of Destiny
4 Screaming for Vengeance
5 Sin after Sin
6 Firepower
7 Nostradamus
8 British Steel
9 Invincible Shield
10 Angel of Retribution
11 Killing Machine
12 Redeemer of Souls
13 Stained Class
14 Ram it Down
15 Jugulator
16 Turbo
17 Demolition
18 Point of Entry
19 Rocka Rolla
Yeah, count me in as well among those who never got the love for Stained Class.
As always, just as I've seen with the Dream Theater top 100, the ranker gets my top 3 or 4 right, but it's down in the middle where the lines get blurred.
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For some reason I don't get the love for Stained Class. There's only three songs there that interests me - Exciter, Better By You Better Than Me, and Beyond The Realms Of Death. The rest are just average.
well to me the love for it was how mind blowing it was when it was released
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With a little help from PubMeeble....
1 Painkiller
2 Defenders of the Faith
3 Sad Wings of Destiny
4 Screaming for Vengeance
5 Sin after Sin
6 Firepower
7 Nostradamus
8 British Steel
9 Invincible Shield
10 Angel of Retribution
11 Killing Machine
12 Redeemer of Souls
13 Stained Class
14 Ram it Down
15 Jugulator
16 Turbo
17 Demolition
18 Point of Entry
19 Rocka Rolla
Yeah, count me in as well among those who never got the love for Stained Class.
As always, just as I've seen with the Dream Theater top 100, the ranker gets my top 3 or 4 right, but it's down in the middle where the lines get blurred.
I'll do it tomorrow when I get home, but as much as I respect your list, mine will be quite different in some respects.
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For some reason I don't get the love for Stained Class. There's only three songs there that interests me - Exciter, Better By You Better Than Me, and Beyond The Realms Of Death. The rest are just average.
well to me the love for it was how mind blowing it was when it was released
It was before my time, but a few years later it was the album that got me into Priest. Screaming and Defenders were more my era, but I wasn't really big into them based on those.
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For now, I'm gonna just say I'm enjoying this VERY much
(actually, random comment - I've read someone say the beginning of Panic Attack sounds like a mix of Tom Sawyer and DT's New Millennium...can't say I disagree ;) I think someone here on DTF noted a Tom Sawyer reference in the instrumental section too)
I thought I heard that also and I thought I was tripping... lol
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For some reason I don't get the love for Stained Class. There's only three songs there that interests me - Exciter, Better By You Better Than Me, and Beyond The Realms Of Death. The rest are just average.
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For some reason I don't get the love for Stained Class. There's only three songs there that interests me - Exciter, Better By You Better Than Me, and Beyond The Realms Of Death. The rest are just average.
Z, check out Saints in Hell from Glasgow on youtube ,,,, wow just wow,,,,
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I thought Firepower was a great step in the right direction for Priest and just overall a good album, but this new one is on a whole other level. I don't know how Rob does the things he does at his age, but I'm impressed. The album isn't as good as Painkiller, but it's really close. :metal
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I thought Firepower was a great step in the right direction for Priest and just overall a good album, but this new one is on a whole other level. I don't know how Rob does the things he does at his age, but I'm impressed. The album isn't as good as Painkiller, but it's really close. :metal
Now that is a controversial call.
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As much as I love Firepower, I think Invincible Shield is much better. In fact I think it’s probably one of their best albums.
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For some reason I don't get the love for Stained Class. There's only three songs there that interests me - Exciter, Better By You Better Than Me, and Beyond The Realms Of Death. The rest are just average.
I can see that. Some songs might well be turnoffs for people; Invader, Savage, White Heat. For me there's just a sound to it that really works. Priest was always changing with the times, so their albums are often quite different, and that particular iteration of the band was what I wanted to hear. Les Binks was a big part of it, and he also brought a groove I really dug. Looking at Saints in Hell and the title track there.
It's not poppy or "catchy", it's heavy and dark (especially for its time) but man I love everything about it. You have to love how real all the instruments sounded back then, no modern over-processed guitar tones which I can't stand and that includes JP's tone.
Just listened to Halford's "Live Insurrection" concert and that fights for my #1 live show with Unleashed in the East, Score, and Breaking the Fourth Wall. Just inhuman vocals the entire show. INHUMAN.
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1 Screaming for Vengeance
2 Point of Entry
3 Defenders of the Faith
4 Invincible Shield
5 Rocka Rolla
6 Stained Class
7 Sad Wings of Destiny
8 Sin after Sin
9 British Steel
10 Nostradamus
11 Redeemer of Souls
12 Angel of Retribution
13 Killing Machine
14 Painkiller
15 Turbo
16 Ram it Down
17 Demolition
18 Jugulator
19 Firepower
Firepower is last, because I've never heard it. One two and three are in a dog-fight, and it can change depending on the day. Not positive yet how much Invisible Shield is because I've just spent a week binging on it. YES, Rocka Rolla is top five; I LOVE that record (and think "Run Of The Mill" is a top three Rob performance).
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1 Screaming for Vengeance
2 Point of Entry
3 Defenders of the Faith
4 Invincible Shield
5 Rocka Rolla
6 Stained Class
7 Sad Wings of Destiny
8 Sin after Sin
9 British Steel
10 Nostradamus
11 Redeemer of Souls
12 Angel of Retribution
13 Killing Machine
14 Painkiller
15 Turbo
16 Ram it Down
17 Demolition
18 Jugulator
19 Firepower
Firepower is last, because I've never heard it. One two and three are in a dog-fight, and it can change depending on the day. Not positive yet how much Invisible Shield is because I've just spent a week binging on it. YES, Rocka Rolla is top five; I LOVE that record (and think "Run Of The Mill" is a top three Rob performance).
I think Firepower would be in your top 10 if you listen to it. Killing Machine/Hell Bent For Leather is definitely up there for me as well. I like Nostradamus in your top 10 but I think Firepower will knock it out. Rocka Rolla is excellent, it seems a lot of fans dismiss the older stuff. Nice list! :tup
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1 Screaming for Vengeance
2 Point of Entry
3 Defenders of the Faith
4 Invincible Shield
5 Rocka Rolla
6 Stained Class
7 Sad Wings of Destiny
8 Sin after Sin
9 British Steel
10 Nostradamus
11 Redeemer of Souls
12 Angel of Retribution
13 Killing Machine
14 Painkiller
15 Turbo
16 Ram it Down
17 Demolition
18 Jugulator
19 Firepower
Firepower is last, because I've never heard it. One two and three are in a dog-fight, and it can change depending on the day. Not positive yet how much Invisible Shield is because I've just spent a week binging on it. YES, Rocka Rolla is top five; I LOVE that record (and think "Run Of The Mill" is a top three Rob performance).
I think Firepower would be in your top 10 if you listen to it. Killing Machine/Hell Bent For Leather is definitely up there for me as well. I like Nostradamus in your top 10 but I think Firepower will knock it out. Rocka Rolla is excellent, it seems a lot of fans dismiss the older stuff. Nice list! :tup
I'm going to pick up Firepower; given what's on either side of it, I know it's not going to suck. Killing Machine/HBFL... it's got some highlights, but there are just too many songs that don't land - Delivering The Goods, Rock Forever, Evil Fantasies. I love parts of it - the alternate title track :), Evening Star, Before The Dawn, Green Manalishi, but it's not enough.
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1 Screaming for Vengeance
2 Point of Entry
3 Defenders of the Faith
4 Invincible Shield
5 Rocka Rolla
6 Stained Class
7 Sad Wings of Destiny
8 Sin after Sin
9 British Steel
10 Nostradamus
11 Redeemer of Souls
12 Angel of Retribution
13 Killing Machine
14 Painkiller
15 Turbo
16 Ram it Down
17 Demolition
18 Jugulator
19 Firepower
Firepower is last, because I've never heard it. One two and three are in a dog-fight, and it can change depending on the day. Not positive yet how much Invisible Shield is because I've just spent a week binging on it. YES, Rocka Rolla is top five; I LOVE that record (and think "Run Of The Mill" is a top three Rob performance).
I think Firepower would be in your top 10 if you listen to it. Killing Machine/Hell Bent For Leather is definitely up there for me as well. I like Nostradamus in your top 10 but I think Firepower will knock it out. Rocka Rolla is excellent, it seems a lot of fans dismiss the older stuff. Nice list! :tup
I'm going to pick up Firepower; given what's on either side of it, I know it's not going to suck. Killing Machine/HBFL... it's got some highlights, but there are just too many songs that don't land - Delivering The Goods, Rock Forever, Evil Fantasies. I love parts of it - the alternate title track :), Evening Star, Before The Dawn, Green Manalishi, but it's not enough.
I'm very curious what you think of Firepower.
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1 Screaming for Vengeance
2 Point of Entry
3 Defenders of the Faith
4 Invincible Shield
5 Rocka Rolla
6 Stained Class
7 Sad Wings of Destiny
8 Sin after Sin
9 British Steel
10 Nostradamus
11 Redeemer of Souls
12 Angel of Retribution
13 Killing Machine
14 Painkiller
15 Turbo
16 Ram it Down
17 Demolition
18 Jugulator
19 Firepower
Firepower is last, because I've never heard it. One two and three are in a dog-fight, and it can change depending on the day. Not positive yet how much Invisible Shield is because I've just spent a week binging on it. YES, Rocka Rolla is top five; I LOVE that record (and think "Run Of The Mill" is a top three Rob performance).
I think Firepower would be in your top 10 if you listen to it. Killing Machine/Hell Bent For Leather is definitely up there for me as well. I like Nostradamus in your top 10 but I think Firepower will knock it out. Rocka Rolla is excellent, it seems a lot of fans dismiss the older stuff. Nice list! :tup
I'm going to pick up Firepower; given what's on either side of it, I know it's not going to suck. Killing Machine/HBFL... it's got some highlights, but there are just too many songs that don't land - Delivering The Goods, Rock Forever, Evil Fantasies. I love parts of it - the alternate title track :), Evening Star, Before The Dawn, Green Manalishi, but it's not enough.
I'm very curious what you think of Firepower.
Loved Firepower pretty close to a perfect cd to me, it hits hard and has some fun stuff and some songs with real color to them.. loved it first listen. IS is a bit more traditional metal formula underpinning with amazing playing over it IMO
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Firepower is last, because I've never heard it.
O rly? May I ask why? Did it just pass you by? :) no matter, you are in for a treat, I think. It’s certainly “classic” Priest, but not in a contrived way. Really good record.
Look at your list, PoE is not one you typically see that high. There are a few good ones on it, but it never wowed me…
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Firepower is last, because I've never heard it.
O rly? May I ask why? Did it just pass you by? :) no matter, you are in for a treat, I think. It’s certainly “classic” Priest, but not in a contrived way. Really good record.
Look at your list, PoE is not one you typically see that high. There are a few good ones on it, but it never wowed me…
No real reason, other than I don't stream, and I probably didn't find it at a reasonable price somewhere. I'll get it.
As for PoE, I LOVE that record. The only songs I don't like on it are Hot Rockin' and maybe All The Way. Heading Out To The Highway, Don't Go (LOVE the guitars in that song), Desert Plains and Solar Angels are all top Priest songs for me.
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7) Screaming for Vengeance
4) Point of Entry
6) Defenders of the Faith
5) Invincible Shield
12) Rocka Rolla
8) Stained Class
11) Sad Wings of Destiny
2) Sin after Sin
1) British Steel
17) Nostradamus
15) Redeemer of Souls
16) Angel of Retribution
9) Killing Machine/Hellbent for Leather
14) Painkiller
10)Turbo
13) Ram it Down
19) Demolition
18) Jugulator
3) Firepower
my lazy list using Stads list : )
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Just doing the classic albums, as I'm not qualified to judge the latter ones
1 Stained Class
2 Sad Wings of Destiny
3 Sin After Sin
4 Defenders of the Faith
5 Screaming for Vengeance
6 Rocka Rolla
7 Painkiller
8 Point of Entry
9 Ram it Down
10 British Steel
11 Killing Machine
12 Turbo
Same, except for Firepower (I bought Invincible Shield but haven't had a chance to listen yet), and excluding Rocka Rolla.
1. Defenders of the Faith
2. Screaming for Vengeance
3. Painkiller
4. Firepower
5. Hell Bent for Leather
6. Ram It Down
7. British Steel
8. Point of Entry
9. Stained Class
10. Sad Wings of Destiny (I'd rank it higher if Tyrant sounded like it does on Unleashed in the East)
11. Sin after Sin
12. Turbo
If you gave me the extended version of Unleashed (including Realms), minus the HBFL tracks, in lieu of Wings, Sin and Class, I'd take it in a heartbeat and rank it at #3.
As for PoE, I LOVE that record. The only songs I don't like on it are Hot Rockin' and maybe All The Way. Heading Out To The Highway, Don't Go (LOVE the guitars in that song), Desert Plains and Solar Angels are all top Priest songs for me.
If you ignore the video, Hot Rockin' is pretty awesome ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3xj8NePqdY ). I'll take tracks 1-6 all day (the last 4 don't do much for me).
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The solo in Devil In Disguise is amazing.
Listened to both Firepower and Invincible Shield today. I do think Invincible Shield is a stronger album in total. In this run of Redeemer through Shield, it feels like each successive album is building upon the previous one. I will say that The Richie Faulkner Era is proving quite formidable.
He's fucking smoking on the new album.
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My ranking is something like this...
Screaming for Vengeance
Stained Class
Painkiller
Sad Wings of Destiny
Invincible Shield
Firepower
Defenders of the Faith
Sin after Sin
British Steel
Redeemer of Souls
Nostradamus
Point of Entry
Jugulator
Angel of Retribution
Killing Machine
Rocka Rolla
Turbo
Ram it Down
Demolition
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I'm less of a fan of 70's Priest than the 80's/90's/reunion era. And yes Jugulator deserves to be that high. :metal
Painkiller
Screaming for Vengeance
British Steel
Defenders of the Faith
Invincible Shield
Firepower
Jugulator
Stained Class
Redeemer of Souls
Sad Wings of Destiny
Angel of Retribution
Killing Machine
Turbo
Sin after Sin
Point of Entry
Ram it Down
Rocka Rolla
Demolition
Nostradamus
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The solo in Devil In Disguise is amazing.
Listened to both Firepower and Invincible Shield today. I do think Invincible Shield is a stronger album in total. In this run of Redeemer through Shield, it feels like each successive album is building upon the previous one. I will say that The Richie Faulkner Era is proving quite formidable.
He's fucking smoking on the new album.
Yeah, he really rips on this album. Maybe slightly overplaying sometimes, but I think the songs still call for it and it was what they were going for.
I'm not sure if the new one is stronger than Firepower but it's probably more consistent. I think with Firepower this highs are higher but the lows are lower. I mean, the new album doesn't have a Traitors Gate or Rising From Ruins, but it also doesn't have a Flame Thrower.
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I haven't decided yet which one I like better, but I agree the solos - and more generally the songs' instrumental sections - are fantastic...
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The solo in Devil In Disguise is amazing.
Listened to both Firepower and Invincible Shield today. I do think Invincible Shield is a stronger album in total. In this run of Redeemer through Shield, it feels like each successive album is building upon the previous one. I will say that The Richie Faulkner Era is proving quite formidable.
He's fucking smoking on the new album.
Yeah, he really rips on this album. Maybe slightly overplaying sometimes, but I think the songs still call for it and it was what they were going for.
I'm not sure if the new one is stronger than Firepower but it's probably more consistent. I think with Firepower this highs are higher but the lows are lower. I mean, the new album doesn't have a Traitors Gate or Rising From Ruins, but it also doesn't have a Flame Thrower.
Yeah, I love the run of Spectre/Traitor's/No Surrender, but Invincible Shield feels more consistent.
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The solo in Devil In Disguise is amazing.
Listened to both Firepower and Invincible Shield today. I do think Invincible Shield is a stronger album in total. In this run of Redeemer through Shield, it feels like each successive album is building upon the previous one. I will say that The Richie Faulkner Era is proving quite formidable.
He's fucking smoking on the new album.
Yeah, he really rips on this album. Maybe slightly overplaying sometimes, but I think the songs still call for it and it was what they were going for.
I'm not sure if the new one is stronger than Firepower but it's probably more consistent. I think with Firepower this highs are higher but the lows are lower. I mean, the new album doesn't have a Traitors Gate or Rising From Ruins, but it also doesn't have a Flame Thrower.
Yeah, I love the run of Spectre/Traitor's/No Surrender, but Invincible Shield feels more consistent.
that's cause I think it is, and you take the bonus tracks out, it's not bloated at all. While the last few songs are a dip in quality, there's really no bloat or filler but Firepower seemed like they were trying to fit in as much as they could no matter what. If Firewpower was say a 9-10 song album, it would be up there as good as any classic Priest album.
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The solo in Devil In Disguise is amazing.
Listened to both Firepower and Invincible Shield today. I do think Invincible Shield is a stronger album in total. In this run of Redeemer through Shield, it feels like each successive album is building upon the previous one. I will say that The Richie Faulkner Era is proving quite formidable.
He's fucking smoking on the new album.
Definitely! Everything guitar related on this album is 10/10. Tone, riffs, solos...perfection. I won't attempt to rank yet but there's a great chance this is a top 3 album. Having this and Firepower be so strong back-to-back, at this stage of their career is mind blowing.
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My ranking is something like this...
Screaming for Vengeance
Stained Class
Painkiller
Sad Wings of Destiny
Invincible Shield
Firepower
Defenders of the Faith
Sin after Sin
British Steel
Redeemer of Souls
Nostradamus
Point of Entry
Jugulator
Angel of Retribution
Killing Machine
Rocka Rolla
Turbo
Ram it Down
Demolition
I'm surprised that Rocka Rolla is so low. It's a very late 60's, early 70's British heavy metal record, ala Sabbath and Zeppelin, IMO. I'd even compare it to the first two Kiss records; they're not British, but same influences.
Bought Firepower; waiting for it to be delivered...
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I'm not familiar enough with the whole back catalog yet to give a ranking. I really just started heavily getting into Priest probably in 2000, with Halford's solo record. I sort of went through this period where I told myself I was going to familiarize myself with all the influences of Queensryche and dive in. I got Maiden first, became a total hardcore. Then it was Pink Floyd, and while they took me longer, and I wouldn't consider myself a hardcore, they have albums I absolutely love (DSotM, WYWH, Animals, The Wall). Priest took longer. I've seen them a couple times (2005, and then again in 2010 on the British Steel anniversary trek). I knew the hits. But it was just over the past decade or so that I started buying the back catalog and listening. And for my money, I think after repeated listens, the regular version of Invincible Shield is one of the best albums they ever recorded.
Again, I'm not an expert. I have most, but not all, of their albums (I don't have Turbo, Demolition, or Point of Entry yet). But Invincible Shield is just so damn good. Very impressed. Sadly, the only date they are playing remotely near me is a festival, and I'm not a festival guy, so I'm pretty bummed I may not get to see them on this tour.
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I'm not familiar enough with the whole back catalog yet to give a ranking. I really just started heavily getting into Priest probably in 2000, with Halford's solo record. I sort of went through this period where I told myself I was going to familiarize myself with all the influences of Queensryche and dive in. I got Maiden first, became a total hardcore. Then it was Pink Floyd, and while they took me longer, and I wouldn't consider myself a hardcore, they have albums I absolutely love (DSotM, WYWH, Animals, The Wall). Priest took longer. I've seen them a couple times (2005, and then again in 2010 on the British Steel anniversary trek). I knew the hits. But it was just over the past decade or so that I started buying the back catalog and listening. And for my money, I think after repeated listens, the regular version of Invincible Shield is one of the best albums they ever recorded.
Again, I'm not an expert. I have most, but not all, of their albums (I don't have Turbo, Demolition, or Point of Entry yet). But Invincible Shield is just so damn good. Very impressed. Sadly, the only date they are playing remotely near me is a festival, and I'm not a festival guy, so I'm pretty bummed I may not get to see them on this tour.
I am almost itchy in anticipation of your opinion of Point Of Entry. I suspect I know where you'll land, but I'm a glass half full guy, so I'm holding out hope you'll see the progressiveness and not the pop-ishness. ;)
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Ha! Yeah, the two bands I'm still acquiring albums from are Priest and Thin Lizzy. I have most from both, but still need some acquisitions. I haven't heard a note of Priest's Point of Entry. I'm just finishing Invincible Shield for another time. I'll fire up Spotify and put on Point of Entry next. Again, never heard a note from it, unless one of the big singles is from it.
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Ha! Yeah, the two bands I'm still acquiring albums from are Priest and Thin Lizzy. I have most from both, but still need some acquisitions. I haven't heard a note of Priest's Point of Entry. I'm just finishing Invincible Shield for another time. I'll fire up Spotify and put on Point of Entry next. Again, never heard a note from it, unless one of the big singles is from it.
Heading Out To The Highway
Hot Rockin'
Desert Plains
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I just put it on. The only one I'm familiar with is "Heading Out to the Highway." "Don't Go" just started.
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I only like Head Out to the Highway and Desert Plains ( :metal). I just can't get into any other songs from that album.
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Solar Angels FTW.
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I only like Head Out to the Highway and Desert Plains ( :metal). I just can't get into any other songs from that album.
Those are the only good songs on that album.
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yeah, I gotta say, I wasn't impressed. It's not bad, per se, but it just felt like everything was running in place. No real ebbs and flows. I liked Head Out to the Highway and Desert Plains. Those jumped out on first listen. But everything seemed very...samey. I don't know. I'll listen to it again, but other than those two songs, which are the standouts, but not necessarily "GREAT," just good, nothing else really surfaced on my first listen to the album.
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yeah, I gotta say, I wasn't impressed. It's not bad, per se, but it just felt like everything was running in place. No real ebbs and flows. I liked Head Out to the Highway and Desert Plains. Those jumped out on first listen. But everything seemed very...samey. I don't know. I'll listen to it again, but other than those two songs, which are the standouts, but not necessarily "GREAT," just good, nothing else really surfaced on my first listen to the album.
That's not an unfair take. It's 10 songs that all have relatively the same vibe and which range between 3:17 - 4:36.
I'm not a fan of the verses of Don't Go, but the chorus and break are great. Hot Rockin' kicks ass (I posted something about it in response to a Stadler comment, but it must have been in a different thread). Turning Circles starts off odd, but it's really solid once it gets going. Solar Angels might be the most different song on the album, and it probably could have been greatly improved with a bit more length and build-up. I'm not much of a fan of the last four songs.
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My ranking is something like this...
Screaming for Vengeance
Stained Class
Painkiller
Sad Wings of Destiny
Invincible Shield
Firepower
Defenders of the Faith
Sin after Sin
British Steel
Redeemer of Souls
Nostradamus
Point of Entry
Jugulator
Angel of Retribution
Killing Machine
Rocka Rolla
Turbo
Ram it Down
Demolition
I'm surprised that Rocka Rolla is so low. It's a very late 60's, early 70's British heavy metal record, ala Sabbath and Zeppelin, IMO. I'd even compare it to the first two Kiss records; they're not British, but same influences.
Rocka Rolla is a lot more spacey to me than Sabbath or Zeppelin. It has more in common with Lonesome Crow and the first two UFO albums to me. Sabbath and Zeppelin are more stronger and somewhat direct.
And I can't compare it to the first two Kiss albums in anyway. Those were well written concise songs. Rock Rolla is all over the place.
I never have any inkling to listen to it.
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I only like Head Out to the Highway and Desert Plains ( :metal). I just can't get into any other songs from that album.
Those are the only good songs on that album.
No. I don't know if he'd say "BEST", but I'm with El Barto on "Solar Angels" and for me it IS the best song on the album. I also think "Don't Go" is excellent, as is "Turning Circles".
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My ranking is something like this...
Screaming for Vengeance
Stained Class
Painkiller
Sad Wings of Destiny
Invincible Shield
Firepower
Defenders of the Faith
Sin after Sin
British Steel
Redeemer of Souls
Nostradamus
Point of Entry
Jugulator
Angel of Retribution
Killing Machine
Rocka Rolla
Turbo
Ram it Down
Demolition
I'm surprised that Rocka Rolla is so low. It's a very late 60's, early 70's British heavy metal record, ala Sabbath and Zeppelin, IMO. I'd even compare it to the first two Kiss records; they're not British, but same influences.
Rocka Rolla is a lot more spacey to me than Sabbath or Zeppelin. It has more in common with Lonesome Crow and the first two UFO albums to me. Sabbath and Zeppelin are more stronger and somewhat direct.
HAHAHAHAHA, I had "Sabbath and UFO" at first and changed it!! :) I thought you'd kick back at the UFO reference, since there's nowhere near the Schenker level of guitar playing on Rocka Rolla.
And I can't compare it to the first two Kiss albums in anyway. Those were well written concise songs. Rock Rolla is all over the place.
I never have any inkling to listen to it.
Fair point; I was thinking of the guitar tones more than anything. That gritty Gibson through a Marshall sound. There really isn't anything like Run of the Mill or that Winter sequence on ANY Kiss album let alone the first two.
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I only like Head Out to the Highway and Desert Plains ( :metal). I just can't get into any other songs from that album.
Those are the only good songs on that album.
No. I don't know if he'd say "BEST", but I'm with El Barto on "Solar Angels" and for me it IS the best song on the album. I also think "Don't Go" is excellent, as is "Turning Circles".
I prefer Desert Planes (not gonna abbreviate that one here), but the two are definitely the best on the album.
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I only like Head Out to the Highway and Desert Plains ( :metal). I just can't get into any other songs from that album.
Those are the only good songs on that album.
No. I don't know if he'd say "BEST", but I'm with El Barto on "Solar Angels" and for me it IS the best song on the album. I also think "Don't Go" is excellent, as is "Turning Circles".
I prefer Desert Planes (not gonna abbreviate that one here), but the two are definitely the best on the album.
Why not? That'd make a hell of a sig! :)
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Point of Entry and Ozzy Diary of a Madman were the first CDs I ever bought... I wanna say 1985? when did CDs come to market? I was so excited to hear in full clarity and not with the ole album pops and crackles or low quality cassettes
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HAHAHAHAHA, I had "Sabbath and UFO" at first and changed it!! :) I thought you'd kick back at the UFO reference, since there's nowhere near the Schenker level of guitar playing on Rocka Rolla.
I was thinking the FIRST TWO UFO albums...pre Schenker.
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HAHAHAHAHA, I had "Sabbath and UFO" at first and changed it!! :) I thought you'd kick back at the UFO reference, since there's nowhere near the Schenker level of guitar playing on Rocka Rolla.
I was thinking the FIRST TWO UFO albums...pre Schenker.
Never heard them.
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yeah, I gotta say, I wasn't impressed. It's not bad, per se, but it just felt like everything was running in place. No real ebbs and flows. I liked Head Out to the Highway and Desert Plains. Those jumped out on first listen. But everything seemed very...samey. I don't know. I'll listen to it again, but other than those two songs, which are the standouts, but not necessarily "GREAT," just good, nothing else really surfaced on my first listen to the album.
They were trying for an AC/DC vibe on that record. Short, simple, catchy, not heavy. (Back in Black had come out shortly before).
Rocka Rolla is more blues rock than anything, definitely not metal.
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Solar Angels FTW.
Oh yes! That's always been a favourite of mine from that album.
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There's a passage in Escape from Reality (at least I hope it's that song, heard it yesterday late at night coming home from a concert ;D) where they suddenly go into Sabbath-esque territory, both the music and Rob's delivery which reminds a bit of Ozzy.
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I really like that passage. Rob does a fantastic Ozzy there.
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Dipping around in the back catalogue between Shield listens and other bands. Nowhere near familiar enough to have strong opinions but they're quite an unusual band, it seems to me. The style is quite all over the place. There are plenty of bits that remind me of that era of British punk and pop among the classic rock, and some experimental/out-there tracks where Rob especially is going for something quite different.
V much enjoying it, though. Nice to discover something very, very late, if you know what I mean.
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yeah, I gotta say, I wasn't impressed. It's not bad, per se, but it just felt like everything was running in place. No real ebbs and flows. I liked Head Out to the Highway and Desert Plains. Those jumped out on first listen. But everything seemed very...samey. I don't know. I'll listen to it again, but other than those two songs, which are the standouts, but not necessarily "GREAT," just good, nothing else really surfaced on my first listen to the album.
They were trying for an AC/DC vibe on that record. Short, simple, catchy, not heavy. (Back in Black had come out shortly before).
I've always felt Point of entry sounded the way it did because Breaking the law, United and Living after midnight had come out shortly before.
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V much enjoying it, though. Nice to discover something very, very late, if you know what I mean.
That's me - I had the Metal Works greatest hits cd for YEARS before going through the majority of the older albums a couple of years ago. I knew Rocka Rolla would not be my thing, so there's no point in listening to it. I have followed them from Jugulator onward, but was content with a greatest hits and just the major metal albums of their catalog (Painkiller, British Steel, SFV) for a long time.
I've found some deeper tracks that I like, but for the most part, I know how I want my Priest to sound - heavy as shit with a great production.
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Just read that Invincible Shield has charted higher in the UK than ANY of their previous albums. #2.
Congrats to the band for this incredible feat!
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It charted well also in Italy.
Italy has a strong metalhead underground, but the keyword is underground. It's rare for metal albums to actually chart. Mid to small bands play in smaller venues than they do in other parts of Europe. So for a metal band, no matter how big, to actually chart in Italy it's a very strong feature!
Also, as much as it pains me since Bruce Dickinson is my musical god, I have to say I'm enjoying Invincible Shield more. It's not that I dislike The Mandrake Project, there's not a single song there that I would remove from the album - it's just that the new Priest album conquers me even more!
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I've only listened to Invincible shield twice so far, and my first impressions are pretty good. I don't think it will top Firepower, that album just shocked us by how amazing it was, and the highlights on it were remarkable, but this one is also stunningly consistent for a band that's been doing this for so long.
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I've only listened to Invincible shield twice so far, and my first impressions are pretty good. I don't think it will top Firepower, that album just shocked us by how amazing it was, and the highlights on it were remarkable, but this one is also stunningly consistent for a band that's been doing this for so long.
I feel /felt the same as you as I love Firepower.... but the sonic greatness of I S and spending more spins with I S has me now thinking its as good or maybe better
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There's a passage in Escape from Reality (at least I hope it's that song, heard it yesterday late at night coming home from a concert ;D) where they suddenly go into Sabbath-esque territory, both the music and Rob's delivery which reminds a bit of Ozzy.
I was thinking that yesterday while listening to it in the car. I was thinking of a "coda" to my review!
To that end, I got the deluxe version from Target over the weekend, and can add the following:
One, I didn't realize that Andy Sneap produced the record, but Tom Allom was involved for "Priest Metal Insight", whatever that is. :). Whatever it is, it's GOOD!
Also, the artwork on the deluxe version - by Mark Wilkinson of Marillion/Fish/Iron Maiden fame - is stellar. There are some awesome paintings in there; more or less one for each song. The one for "The Serpent And The King" is amazing, as is the one for "As God Is My Witness".
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I've only listened to Invincible shield twice so far, and my first impressions are pretty good. I don't think it will top Firepower, that album just shocked us by how amazing it was, and the highlights on it were remarkable, but this one is also stunningly consistent for a band that's been doing this for so long.
I feel /felt the same as you as I love Firepower.... but the sonic greatness of I S and spending more spins with I S has me now thinking its as good or maybe better
I spun both of them back-to-back this weekend. The new car smell of IS as well as the heavier mix of songs has me thinking IS is a little better overall.
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Looks like they changed their setlist to include more new music :metal
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Looks like they changed their setlist to include more new music :metal
hopefully they can add and not subtract any of the hits..: )
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I've actually been listening more and more of the album and liking it more and more.
Also, as much as it pains me since Bruce Dickinson is my musical god, I have to say I'm enjoying Invincible Shield more. It's not that I dislike The Mandrake Project, there's not a single song there that I would remove from the album - it's just that the new Priest album conquers me even more!
I mentioned this before as I didn't think it was a fair comparison, but couldn't help myself from thinking about the two given the timing and felt the same way. While I respect Bruce and his album is more diverse, this JP album is more in line with what I like in metal music. The guitars and catchy chorus type of music. This album also sounds way better. The production is nice. I'd say Bruce's vocals blow away Rob's (generally, IMO), but I do actually think the production helps Rob here where it hurts Bruce on his album a bit.
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:metal
I've only listened to Invincible shield twice so far, and my first impressions are pretty good. I don't think it will top Firepower, that album just shocked us by how amazing it was, and the highlights on it were remarkable, but this one is also stunningly consistent for a band that's been doing this for so long.
I feel /felt the same as you as I love Firepower.... but the sonic greatness of I S and spending more spins with I S has me now thinking its as good or maybe better
I spun both of them back-to-back this weekend. The new car smell of IS as well as the heavier mix of songs has me thinking IS is a little better overall.
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There's a passage in Escape from Reality (at least I hope it's that song, heard it yesterday late at night coming home from a concert ;D) where they suddenly go into Sabbath-esque territory, both the music and Rob's delivery which reminds a bit of Ozzy.
I was thinking that yesterday while listening to it in the car. I was thinking of a "coda" to my review!
To that end, I got the deluxe version from Target over the weekend, and can add the following:
One, I didn't realize that Andy Sneap produced the record, but Tom Allom was involved for "Priest Metal Insight", whatever that is. :). Whatever it is, it's GOOD!
Also, the artwork on the deluxe version - by Mark Wilkinson of Marillion/Fish/Iron Maiden fame - is stellar. There are some awesome paintings in there; more or less one for each song. The one for "The Serpent And The King" is amazing, as is the one for "As God Is My Witness".
Yes to all of this! I got the deluxe as well, and the artwork is really good!
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Dang, they cranked out yet another good album this late in the game. The Serpent and the king is probably my favorite, Rob sounds absolutely insane on it. Panic attack, Gates of hell and Escape from reality are also amazing. I do prefer Firepower overall, though, the songs on that one that are great are better than this album's highlights.
Updated ranking:
Screaming for vengeance
Point of entry
Painkiller
Sin after sin
Angel of retribution
Defenders of the faith
Brittish steel
Killing machine
Firepower
Sad wings of destiny
Stained class
Invincible shield
Nostradamus
Rocka rolla
Turbo
Redeemer of souls
Jugulator
Ram it down
Demolition
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I've listened to the album twice and I'm enjoying it more than Firepower and RoS. Very solid effort.
Early favourite is Trial by Fire.
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At times the guitar tones are menacingly heavy!
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Dang, they cranked out yet another good album this late in the game. The Serpent and the king is probably my favorite, Rob sounds absolutely insane on it. Panic attack, Gates of hell and Escape from reality are also amazing. I do prefer Firepower overall, though, the songs on that one that are great are better than this album's highlights.
Updated ranking:
Screaming for vengeance
Point of entry
Painkiller
Sin after sin
Angel of retribution
Defenders of the faith
Brittish steel
Killing machine
Firepower
Sad wings of destiny
Stained class
Invincible shield
Nostradamus
Rocka rolla
Turbo
Redeemer of souls
Jugulator
Ram it down
Demolition
Thank you!!!! :).
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What do you mean? From what I can see, we're not the only ones, people single out that track as a favorite everywhere. :metal
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What do you mean? From what I can see, we're not the only ones, people single out that track as a favorite everywhere. :metal
When they released the song as a single, I was like "that song rules! Love the chorus" and there seemed to be a round of crickets. Hahaha.
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I hardly noticed any the pre-release singles but the album has finally clicked and the singles are definite standouts.
I will jump into a few of the previous comments and say I am also a huge Bruce fan and as much as I enjoy Mandrake I expect end of year results will be more down to Priest Saxon and Blaze at this point.
Early days of course but anyway yes after not getting the fuss am now really enjoying Invincible Shield.
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Priest is at #1 for me so far and Out Of Darkness is #2.
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I found out that Giants in the Sky is about Ronnie James Dio and Lemmy Kilmister.
In retrospect, it makes sense, I didn't mind a self celebratory song but the "you" in the chorus seemed weird. And I thought the "if only you knew how much you mean to me" part was about Priest fans.
It's lovely that Rob thought of Ronnie and Lemmy for what might be the last song ever from Priest (bonus tracks not withstanding). Anyway, my earlier point still stands - the song can alo be retroactively considered about Priest themselves, and if this is the last album, fans listening to the song and thinking about the bands "giants in the sky, you will never die" is a great way to go.
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I found out that Giants in the Sky is about Ronnie James Dio and Lemmy Kilmister.
In retrospect, it makes sense, I didn't mind a self celebratory song but the "you" in the chorus seemed weird. And I thought the "if only you knew how much you mean to me" part was about Priest fans.
It's lovely that Rob thought of Ronnie and Lemmy for what might be the last song ever from Priest (bonus tracks not withstanding). Anyway, my earlier point still stands - the song can alo be retroactively considered about Priest themselves, and if this is the last album, fans listening to the song and thinking about the bands "giants in the sky, you will never die" is a great way to go.
That's lovely. For me, GITS is one of the songs that seems to be getting better each time I hear it.
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I cant imagine that GITS is only about RJD and Lemmy? and I agree I think that one verse is Rob thanking all the fans for the love that he feels from the fans over the years.
the only song that Im not wild about on IS is Devil is Disguise
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About seven songs into Firepower at this point (just started "Rising From Ruins"), and at first listen... this isn't at the level of Invincible Shield. There are times that Rob sounds his age (unlike IS) and I don't like that screechy voice he uses on "Firepower" for example; the first song that really struck me was "Evil Never Dies", and the first song I though "WOW this might actually belong with the classics" is "Never The Heroes". I will say, it seems more adventurous than IS, but it's not all landing (yet).
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Wait 'til you get to No Surrender, in a different reality that would have been a smash commercial hit :metal
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Wait 'til you get to No Surrender, in a different reality that would have been a smash commercial hit :metal
That song could have been in a Rocky training montage or something similar from the 80s.
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The Spectre-Traitors Gate-No Surrender trifecta is where it's at.
About seven songs into Firepower at this point ... and at first listen... this isn't at the level of Invincible Shield.
It may not be.
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Wait 'til you get to No Surrender, in a different reality that would have been a smash commercial hit :metal
I wish that song was about twice as long as it is. It rocks so damn hard and the chorus is so fun to sing along with.
I'm glad I got to see them play Never the Heroes and the title track live in 2022, but I'd have loved for No Surrender to be in the set.
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Firepower took 3 spins to be fully appreciated. Having said that and having just recently listened to both back-to-back, IS is a better album and truly could be among the top 3 all time for me.
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Firepower took 3 spins to be fully appreciated. Having said that and having just recently listened to both back-to-back, IS is a better album and truly could be among the top 3 all time for me.
I agree
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About seven songs into Firepower at this point (just started "Rising From Ruins")
Best song Priest has done since Painkiller (the album, not the song), AFAIC.
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Wait 'til you get to No Surrender, in a different reality that would have been a smash commercial hit :metal
I may be in the minority on this is but i love FLAMETHROWER its that fun Judas song that they do from time to to time
Sons of Thunder sorta has a fun vibe to it and scratches that itch on IS for me
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The Spectre-Traitors Gate-No Surrender trifecta is where it's at.
It may not be.
Bro I love that 3 song run also
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Best song Priest has done since Painkiller (the album, not the song), AFAIC.
Um... that's not saying much (I don't like Painkiller all that much, to be honest). :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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Um... that's not saying much (I don't like Painkiller all that much, to be honest). :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
I agree Stad.... Painkiller is not even close to a fav of mine...its towards the bottom
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Since I'm a real compilation geek, I decided that one compilation for 50 years of Priest wasn't enough, and I decided to create two; the original idea was to have 50 songs for 50 years of carrer, maybe with songs from every Rob album, but I realized I would run out of time with that format (I have 90-95 minutes, it's the stuff I listen going and returning from work).
So I just went for two separate compilations, balancing new songs, old songs and the classics (I would get bored to listen to the same old same old stuff, so having two compilations helps to spread apart the Breaking the Laws and the Hell Bents and not cram them all together), I thought it would be a bit overkill - I mean, over 3 hours of material, you're gonna fill it with deep cuts right? well, turns out 3 hours is not enough. I have problems in picking all the songs I'd like to pick, and to properly represent all the albums, I'll have to make some cuts here and there.
There is so much good stuff in 19 albums and 50 years that even 3 hours are not enough for all the songs I'd like to pick :o
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Um... that's not saying much (I don't like Painkiller all that much, to be honest). :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Fair enough. I don't like Painkiller quite as much as a lot of folks, but it's got some great songs - One Shot at Glory was the particular song I was thinking of. Ram It Down has fewer good songs. How about this? Rising from Ruins is a top-5 post-Defenders Priest song.
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Um... that's not saying much (I don't like Painkiller all that much, to be honest). :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
I feel like if Painkiller were released today, you'd feel a lot different about it. It was likely the last thing you'd be into in 1990, and of course, you've had to listen to people fellate it over the lasty 30+ years. I can see how that'd bug you.
I feel ya. Not about Painkiller, but certainly about other albums that I simply don't "get".
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Tomorrow I might attempt to list my 10 favorite reunion era tracks.
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In chronological order I guess.
Hellrider
Loch Ness
Nostradamus (title track)
Halls of Valhalla
Lightning Strikes
Rising from Ruins
Traitor's Gate
Panic Attack
As God is My Witness
Sons of Thunder
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In chronological order I guess.
Hellrider
Loch Ness
Nostradamus (title track)
Halls of Valhalla
Lightning Strikes
Rising from Ruins
Traitor's Gate
Panic Attack
As God is My Witness
Sons of Thunder
Loch Ness is a unique choice. Maybe I should revisit that one.
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I've always enjoyed Loch Ness, it gets too much hate.
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I've never been much of a fan of this band. I never disliked them, just never listened to them much or bought their albums. I was in Wal-Mart the other day and saw one copy of their new album Invincible Shield and decided what the heck, and bought it.
I will have to say that was a great decision! This album sounds amazing and every song is good. Some of the tastiest guitar work I've heard from this band and Halford sounds great. I read in the credits that it was mixed by Andy Sneap. Awesome production! :metal
I really hope he mixes the next DT album..
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I've always enjoyed Loch Ness, it gets too much hate.
Incredible Tipton solo.
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I love it because it’s different. JP doing a slow doomy sabbathy track? Yes please. Would actually love it if DT mixed it up and tried a track like that.
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I love it because it’s different. JP doing a slow doomy sabbathy track? Yes please. Would actually love it if DT mixed it up and tried a track like that.
Room 137?
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Room 137?
That might be the worst MM-era song.
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Nah...Out Of Reach is pretty bad.
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People, people, people... R137 and OOR are fantastic! That swing feel in 137 is so good. Once I noticed it in the instrumental section, I was sold. Blending that vibe into a meaty prog metal song without it being too far either way was genius, I thought A top MM choice for me.
Back to Priest, Sons Of Thunder is really fun. Even more so when I substitute "Sons" with "Buns". :tup
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People, people, people... R137 and OOR are fantastic! That swing feel in 137 is so good. Once I noticed it in the instrumental section, I was sold. Blending that vibe into a meaty prog metal song without it being too far either way was genius, I thought A top MM choice for me.
Back to Priest, Sons Of Thunder is really fun. Even more so when I substitute "Sons" with "Buns". :tup
They should play Buns of Thunder and Eat Me Alive, back to back.
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:lol
I've been the older Priest albums a while now and am now ready to deliver an opinion:
Killing Machine > British Steel > Stained Class
I like all three, mind.
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Room 137?
Interesting. I was thinking of something slower-paced like some of that heavy stuff on Master of Reality.
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Tonight I'm gonna see Judas Priest with Saxon and Phill Campbell & the Bastard Sons :metal
Luckily I'm going in almost blind, these are the only things I know about the setlist:
Either 3 or four new songs
Panic Attack as opener, Rapid fire second song
Crown of Horns most likely there
Saints in Hell and Killing Machine being in the set, ironically two songs I don't really care for
Not bad in the era where spoilers are almost impossible :D see you tomorrow with impressions from the show!
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Tonight I'm gonna see Judas Priest with Saxon and Phill Campbell & the Bastard Sons :metal
Luckily I'm going in almost blind, these are the only things I know about the setlist:
Either 3 or four new songs
Panic Attack as opener, Rapid fire second song
Crown of Horns most likely there
Saints in Hell and Killing Machine being in the set, ironically two songs I don't really care for
Not bad in the era where spoilers are almost impossible :D see you tomorrow with impressions from the show!
enjoy lets us know how it was
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And enjoy I did!!! what a fantastic awesome metal night!!! :metal
No Uriah Heep as opener, Phil Campbell and the Bastard Sons were there. Got three Motorhead songs: Going to Brazil, Born to Raise Hell which I like a lot and I never got to hear with Motorhead so yay, and the immortal Ace of Spades, with the crowd obviously going wild.
Saxon were next; it's funny, I never cared to properly follow Saxon, I know who they are, I know their most famous songs, but for whatever reason, I never took the time to listen to their albums. But when they appear on a festival or as opener like in this case.... boy if they're NOT to be missed. They're probably my favorite bands out of those I don't actually care for :lol they were impressive, bunch of 70 years old still kicking ass, powerful and precise, and Bill Byford is a beast, excellent powerful performance from him. One hour of solid, devastating NWOBHM great music.
And then JUDAS FREAKING PRIEST. It's been a long time since I saw them, after the Redeemer of Souls tour they only came at festivals I couldn't attend, so this was my first time seeing them in almost a decade or so. And they were brilliant as ever, powerful, loud and destructive :metal
This was the setlist, for those who don't care for spoilers:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/judas-priest/2024/mediolanum-forum-di-assago-assago-italy-6bab9e52.html
I got a tour debut, Devil's Child, and luckily I got Lighting Strikes, yay! Seeing previous dates I guess I would have enjoyed Sinner more than Victim of Changes, which I heard many times, but it's ok. 50 years of muisc, 19 albums, it really has not much sense to play the "I wish they played this song" game. Having said that, it's a pity I didn't get a song from my second favorite album, Defenders of the Faith.
The place was packed. It's the place Dream Theater always play in Italy, and that Iron Maiden sell out in two days. If it wasn't a technical sold out, it was still 99% full. I'm glad, Priest gave me the idea of relatively winding down with audiences, and I'm very glad to see the appreciation for them going still strong. What a powerful performance, awesome stage setup, they really outdid themselves this time and moved away from the usual ramp things they were always doing incorporating more technology and video screens in the stage.
Honestly, I'm going on an hyperbole and say that they're becoming what they're singing about in their songs. Invincible. Made of metal. Undestructible. Between them and Saxon, how is it possible that a bunch of 70 years old are this good and this kickass??? I know, Scott Travis is younger and he has the most physically demanding job, and Richie Faulkner wasn't even born when Sad Wings of Destiny came out, but Biff Byford and Rob Halford are what, 73 and 72 years old and they're still this insanely good? Ok, Rob uses a phuckton of reverb and echo but he's STILL DAMN GOOD. The insane screams were there, including the 15 seconds one at the end of Victim of Changes.
And - I got to see Glenn Tipton for the last two songs!!! he came out to a roar of the big packed arena and everyone rose up from their seats (I only found tickets for the "roof" of the arena basically), it was a damn well deserved standing ovation that almost moved me. He could have stayed home to enjoy his most normal days but he still comes up thin and frail on stage to try and play two songs at least. What a legend and what a cruel destiny for a musician, the world is full of 70 years old people with ailments but it must take a real toll for a musician to get a disease that prevents them from playing.
Show was 1h40' and felt intense and not short at all. Fun fact, while I was thinking in my head about which songs were missing, I totally forgot about Electric Eye and when it came on, I was so energized from it. It was also one of the better received songs, with wild moshpits, and just as Priest commented about it, also Turbo Lover got one of the best reaction.
All in all it was a great and basically perfect evening of british geriatric metal :lol but really, we need to hold on to these old guys as much as we can, they still have a lot to offer and they're basically undestructible. Rob Halford is gonna die on stage I'm sure. He truly IS the Metal God and if this was not the last time I'll be seeing Priest, the next time I will definitively be there. The screen at the end of the show as they were taking their bows said it after all - THE PRIEST WILL BE BACK. Fuck yeah!!! :metal
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Nice!! Saxon is awesome, been releasing one great album after another since reclaiming their sound in 1997.
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What a great write-up!!!
Sounds like it was a great evening of music…
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How did Devil's Child sound? Definitely a top five Priest track for me.
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How did Devil's Child sound? Definitely a top five Priest track for me.
Not the biggest fan of the song but it was cool and rocking and it went down just fine. But honestly, they were on fire, so there was not a single song where I thought "eh, this was better left off the setlist". It was a good pick as any!
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Thank You MM for that great review of the show.
I saw Saxon on the Denim and Leather and Long arm of the Law era tours.
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Can't stop spinning this. I love the intro to Invincible Shield. The drum parts, while not complicated, really elevate the intro.
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Can't stop spinning this. I love the intro to Invincible Shield. The drum parts, while not complicated, really elevate the intro.
agreed its amazing how good it is I especially love track 5 to the end
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So I am there minding my business or doing stuff, and from time to time, several times during the week, out of nowhere it pops in my head:
"AGONY!!!! ...escape from reality!!!"
It's not my favorite song on the album (though I like it quite nicely), but that specific chorus is stuck in my head and just won't go away :lol
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So I started listening to a playlist of the setlist for the tour and now I remember why I was never a fan of JP before. Not a fan of basically all these older songs :lol
I'm mostly looking forward to Sabaton and the new songs
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So I am there minding my business or doing stuff, and from time to time, several times during the week, out of nowhere it pops in my head:
"AGONY!!!! ...escape from reality!!!"
It's not my favorite song on the album (though I like it quite nicely), but that specific chorus is stuck in my head and just won't go away :lol
funny... Devil in Disguise is my least fav on IS ( I still like it tho ) and it was stuck in my head this morning... IS IS GREAT!!!
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Scored a day of sale ticket that includes the buffet, can't wait to feast and rock out tonight :metal
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So I am there minding my business or doing stuff, and from time to time, several times during the week, out of nowhere it pops in my head:
"AGONY!!!! ...escape from reality!!!"
It's not my favorite song on the album (though I like it quite nicely), but that specific chorus is stuck in my head and just won't go away :lol
Love this track. That chorus is so ear-wormy. The whole album is so catchy.
Edit: Just stepped out of the car with Sons Of Thunder playing. Love that one too!
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Thought they were overall pretty good last night. I honestly did not expect Rob to sing consistently like that all night. I'll give him credit for performing at a high level. I think sadly my opinion still stands that I'm just not a huge fan overall of his vocals though. Just not for my tastes for the most part. The band was good, they shredded and sounded tight. Crowd was tame, maybe too tame for a metal show. Sounded like no one was singing, but could also have just been my location. Also thought for an arena show, the stage show could be a lot better. Regardless of my criticism, they were pretty good live metal band. Lots of respect for them and very glad I finally got to see them for the first time. I'd see them again for sure, but probably not going out of my way. Sabaton were a solid opener, crowd was even more dead for them (makes sense) but I don't think Sabaton had a "wow" performance.
Judas Priest - Breaking The Law LIVE @ Prudential Center Newark NJ 4/19/2024 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs5G4M2kTvw)
Judas Priest - Crown of Horns LIVE @ Prudential Center Newark NJ 4/19/2024 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CteqnzMYv_Y)
Judas Priest - Invincible Shield LIVE @ Prudential Center Newark NJ 4/19/2024 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esG_RQ5LFqY)
Judas Priest - Living After Midnight LIVE @ Prudential Center Newark NJ 4/19/2024 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys8SvjsA5fo)
in case anyone is interested...
Sabaton - Soldier of Heaven LIVE @ Prudential Center Newark NJ 4/19/2024 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4MsUWTfQH8)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLoMlDNXQAAtSkY?format=jpg&name=large)
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Nice videos! :tup
Yeah, crowd at my show was way better. I can't judge from the videos 'cause you have to be there to assest it, but at my show it was a riot, the classics were always received with a roar and it was basically a total triumph, I didn't read a single complaint about it online.
And yes, Rob sounds very good and consistent indeed!
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Awesome shots, as usual, Marc!
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Took a few days break from this and spun it again last night. Damned if it didn't become even more appealing! The guitar work on this is next level. All riffs and solos are top notch. They really knocked this one out of the park.
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I still need to check out the new album in full. I checked out the three songs last week that I knew they were playing this tour, that way I knew them when I saw them this past Sunday night. Excellent show. Rob can't hold notes for as long as he used to (although he picked a few spots where he did, like at the end of Victim of Changes), but he still sounds pretty darn good overall. Loved seeing Love Bites, Devil's Child, Saints in Hell and Sinner all on the set list. Painkiller is still a bit of a wtf to me as the set ender before the encore (and the crowd didn't seem to be that into that one either), but I know it's a favorite for many, so I won't quibble with it too much.
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I still need to check out the new album in full. I checked out the three songs last week that I knew they were playing this tour, that way I knew them when I saw them this past Sunday night. Excellent show. Rob can't hold notes for as long as he used to (although he picked a few spots where he did, like at the end of Victim of Changes), but he still sounds pretty darn good overall. Loved seeing Love Bites, Devil's Child, Saints in Hell and Sinner all on the set list. Painkiller is still a bit of a wtf to me as the set ender before the encore (and the crowd didn't seem to be that into that one either), but I know it's a favorite for many, so I won't quibble with it too much.
awesome!!! glad you enjoyed the show
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Painkiller is still a bit of a wtf to me as the set ender before the encore (and the crowd didn't seem to be that into that one either), but I know it's a favorite for many, so I won't quibble with it too much.
The hell? all the times I've seen Priest, Painkiller is a f'kin carnage and everyone goes nuts. As skinny and of average height that I am, I wouldn't want to be in the moshpit during that song 'cause I might as well die. It's heresy to me that people over the pond are relatively bored with that song ;D
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The hell? all the times I've seen Priest, Painkiller is a f'kin carnage and everyone goes nuts. As skinny and of average height that I am, I wouldn't want to be in the moshpit during that song 'cause I might as well die. It's heresy to me that people over the pond are relatively bored with that song ;D
Mosh pit for Judas Priest??? We must have completely different crowds :lol
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Not on every song, but I was high above in the venue, and during Electric Eye I could see the floor with all the mess that was going on there and the openings. They tried even a bit of a wall of death. When we europeans go to a metal concert, we metal :metal :lol
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Not on every song, but I was high above in the venue, and during Electric Eye I could see the floor with all the mess that was going on there and the openings. They tried even a bit of a wall of death. When we europeans go to a metal concert, we metal :metal :lol
Oh wow, yeah, that sounds so much better than the seated floor here, but even if it was a GA floor, not sure a pit would break out here.
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Maybe we would have gone nuts if it were a better song. :P
Joking aside, even though I am not really a fan of the song Painkiller, it's a fun live tune. I just wish a song I loved was last in the regular set, but that is my problem, not theirs.
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Maybe we would have gone nuts if it were a better song. :P
Joking aside, even though I am not really a fan of the song Painkiller, it's a fun live tune. I just wish a song I loved was last in the regular set, but that is my problem, not theirs.
Just want to throw it out there, not a fan of that song either.
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This is what I'm talking about (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJZQ1jHpZbc&ab_channel=lloopdidu) :metal
Also, this is the Painkillah (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k861ENPErXs&ab_channel=lloopdidu)!
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This is what I'm talking about (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJZQ1jHpZbc&ab_channel=lloopdidu) :metal
I think I would have enjoyed the NJ show a lot more if the crowd was like this, that energy even if not in the pit can usually be felt. Now I get why my video had so many comments about the dead crowd :lol I just blamed it on being an older band. Sabaton would have done much better with that GA crowd too.
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Oh wow, yeah, that sounds so much better than the seated floor here, but even if it was a GA floor, not sure a pit would break out here.
There were several when I saw Maiden back in September 2022 at the Pond in Anaheim (where the Anaheim Ducks play). The entire floor was GA. Had it been Priest, I have no doubt, there'd have been a big-ass pit for Painkiller.
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Just want to throw it out there, not a fan of that song either.
Painkiller is towards the bottom of my list of favs.. not my fav use of Robs majestic beautiful voice either..
Id trade it for Last Rose of Summer at this point : )
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There were several when I saw Maiden back in September 2022 at the Pond in Anaheim (where the Anaheim Ducks play). The entire floor was GA. Had it been Priest, I have no doubt, there'd have been a big-ass pit for Painkiller.
A pit for IM is still pretty iffy from my experience. It's happened, but not at all the GA floor IM pits I've been in. Maybe the NYC crowds just suck. I think it's entirely possible. Obviously I've seen plenty of shows where the crowd is wild, but not usually for the 80s and older bands.
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Painkiller is towards the bottom of my list of favs.. not my fav use of Robs majestic beautiful voice either..
Id trade it for Last Rose of Summer at this point : )
:heart :heart
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Before Painkiller the other night, Scott Travis asked the crowd what the one last song we wanted to hear was. Of course, most yelled for Painkiller. I joked to the friend I went with later that no one heard me yell for Night Comes Down. :lol
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:heart :heart
:heart :metal :smiley:
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Before Painkiller the other night, Scott Travis asked the crowd what the one last song we wanted to hear was. Of course, most yelled for Painkiller. I joked to the friend I went with later that no one heard me yell for Night Comes Down. :lol
damn we needed to get you a bullhorn!!! : )
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I think I would have enjoyed the NJ show a lot more if the crowd was like this, that energy even if not in the pit can usually be felt. Now I get why my video had so many comments about the dead crowd :lol I just blamed it on being an older band. Sabaton would have done much better with that GA crowd too.
I dont like that Pru Center Venue at all
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I dont like that Pru Center Venue at all
I HATE it!
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Before Painkiller the other night, Scott Travis asked the crowd what the one last song we wanted to hear was. Of course, most yelled for Painkiller. I joked to the friend I went with later that no one heard me yell for Night Comes Down. :lol
Night Comes Down is a gem of a song
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Night Comes Down is an absolute gem of a ballad. :metal
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Before Painkiller the other night, Scott Travis asked the crowd what the one last song we wanted to hear was. Of course, most yelled for Painkiller. I joked to the friend I went with later that no one heard me yell for Night Comes Down. :lol
You must have felt like you were there all alone, with nowhere to go.
Also...good to see you here again!
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Night Comes Down is an absolute gem of a ballad. :metal
It's such an underrated deep cut.
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Almost at the level of "I'm a Rocker"
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Almost at the level of "I'm a Rocker"
I love that song. One of Tiptons most underrated lead breaks too.
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You must have felt like you were there all alone, with nowhere to go.
Also...good to see you here again!
Thanks!
And exactly (to the first part of your post). :lol :lol
Night Comes Down is a gem of a song
Damn right! I promoted it into my Priest top 5 in the last few years. A Touch of Evil was a little bummed about being bumped down to number 6, but Beyond the Realms of Death, Victim of Changes, Sinner and Desert Plains are pretty locked in to my 1-4 spots. :hat :hat
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I HATE it!
agreed... its just not good...
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Yes, Night Comes Down is an awesome slow piece and I'm a Rocker is very cool (heard it on the reunion tour). But Painkiller is a genre-defining song come on.
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I get that, but a song being "important" or genre-defining isn't going to make me like it. Besides, I am more of a rock guy than a metal one, and Priest's faster songs don't always stick to landing for me, although some do. I am looking at you, Freewheel Burning. :metal :metal
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I get that, but a song being "important" or genre-defining isn't going to make me like it. Besides, I am more of a rock guy than a metal one, and Priest's faster songs don't always stick to landing for me, although some do. I am looking at you, Freewheel Burning. :metal :metal
Me exactly. I LOVE Freewheel Burning, but it's the exception that proves the rule.