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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #350 on: February 22, 2023, 05:22:53 AM »
Excited to see what their new setlist is going to be today. I'm hoping they add at least one of the Restoration tracks, since those were originally written when Pete was with them the first time.

Here's the setlist, for those wondering: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/haken/2023/gruenspan-hamburg-germany-3ba8187.html  :tup
Ouch. If I went to a show and it for the most part featured songs from my least favorite album by the band, I wouldn't be super thrilled. But that's just me.

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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #351 on: February 22, 2023, 06:30:51 AM »
I love the setlist as it's mostly songs I've not seen live before, plus two of my absolute favourites.

They were always likely to focus a fair bit on Virus as they haven't toured it in Europe yet (damn COVID) and Fauna isn't out hey. Won't be the case for the May north America tour, and I hope they'll do a proper Fauna tour in Europe later on top although at least we're getting some of the singles this time.

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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #352 on: February 22, 2023, 06:49:58 AM »
That outro song :lol
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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #353 on: February 22, 2023, 07:24:42 AM »
Ok guess I won't be reading in this thread until after Sunday  :)
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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #354 on: February 22, 2023, 08:00:41 AM »
I don't love the setlist, but that's probably because I saw the US tour last year.  So what ariich said makes sense to me.  I do hope they don't drop Messiah Complex for the US leg though.

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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #355 on: February 22, 2023, 09:50:17 AM »

If this was The Mountain Part 3, I would probably think it was OK, but at this point they would be just another “passing band” and then just faded away because they kept repeating themselves.


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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #356 on: February 22, 2023, 10:44:28 AM »
Seeing them March 5th, just checked out the setlist and yeah, it was always going to be a mix of these songs. Happy tho, cause the new ones are a blast, and the Virus material is gonna be really fun in a live setting. Still dying to see some pre-Mountain material soon.
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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #357 on: February 22, 2023, 10:52:03 AM »
Still dying to see some pre-Mountain material soon.

I don't think they're planning to do this anytime soon, considering they haven't played most of them in a long time and now they have a new album to promote, and they still haven't done the Vector + Virus show(s) they wanted.
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #358 on: February 22, 2023, 11:13:52 AM »
As long as that Affinity song stays for their US leg I will be happy.

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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #359 on: February 22, 2023, 11:50:25 AM »
And a less positive review:

https://progressivemusicplanet.com/2023/02/13/haken-fauna/

This review completely lost me on this point:

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Maybe the rest of the album was more like the Haken I liked in the past.

Maybe I’m an outlier music lover, but the reason I love Haken is *because* nothing they do sounds like their past.

If this was The Mountain Part 3, I would probably think it was OK, but at this point they would be just another “passing band” and then just faded away because they kept repeating themselves.

People who think along the same lines as this reviewer are the same as people who just listen to classic rock radio to listen to the same 100 songs over and over and over and over again.

TLDR - that “negative” review made me want it even more.

I don't think this necessarily holds true to be honest.

Look at Arjen Lucassen, Nightwish, Kamelot and the likes, the discourse here and online is that their recent releases have been very much in line with past material (for most releases I'd agree to a large extent). But doing so they have been more successful in recent times than in the past in varying ways (say, post 2010-2015, which is late in their careers). I actually count Steven Wilson/Porcupine Tree in this category as well. He/they gave us a PT record and it was a big success.

I don't really disagree with you though, but to me it is only a factor and it also heavily depends on the quality of the music and the enthusiasm/passion of the performances (studio and live). I am not against artists changing their sound. There are those where I really dislike it (In Flames) and some where I enjoy it very much (Sonata Arctica, Leprous, Opeth).

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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #360 on: February 22, 2023, 12:42:43 PM »
And a less positive review:

https://progressivemusicplanet.com/2023/02/13/haken-fauna/

This review completely lost me on this point:

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Maybe the rest of the album was more like the Haken I liked in the past.

Maybe I’m an outlier music lover, but the reason I love Haken is *because* nothing they do sounds like their past.

If this was The Mountain Part 3, I would probably think it was OK, but at this point they would be just another “passing band” and then just faded away because they kept repeating themselves.

People who think along the same lines as this reviewer are the same as people who just listen to classic rock radio to listen to the same 100 songs over and over and over and over again.

TLDR - that “negative” review made me want it even more.

I don't think this necessarily holds true to be honest.

Look at Arjen Lucassen, Nightwish, Kamelot and the likes, the discourse here and online is that their recent releases have been very much in line with past material (for most releases I'd agree to a large extent). But doing so they have been more successful in recent times than in the past in varying ways (say, post 2010-2015, which is late in their careers). I actually count Steven Wilson/Porcupine Tree in this category as well. He/they gave us a PT record and it was a big success.

I don't really disagree with you though, but to me it is only a factor and it also heavily depends on the quality of the music and the enthusiasm/passion of the performances (studio and live). I am not against artists changing their sound. There are those where I really dislike it (In Flames) and some where I enjoy it very much (Sonata Arctica, Leprous, Opeth).

To me, it depends entirely on what people get out of the music. People desire certain aspects of their music. I call myself a music fan, rather than a fan of a specific genre, because I enjoy any type of music out there. I would love for any band to make any style of music they please, regardless of whether it's an unpopular genre or style.
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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #361 on: February 22, 2023, 12:52:00 PM »
I caved and looked. The swapping of the cliche Affinity song was long overdue and fantastic.

And although I generally always want to see stuff live I haven't seen a bunch before, the track from The Mountain is my favorite live performance of theirs, so I can never complain about that.
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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #362 on: February 22, 2023, 12:55:08 PM »
That setlist seems really short.

I am seeing them in May. I’m torn about the current setlist. I too, would rather see a bit more Fauna…but I would hate to lose MC.

If they just had the current setlist and added 2 more Fauna songs (especially the mini epic that I’ve heard so many good things about) that would be awesome.
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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #363 on: February 22, 2023, 12:59:33 PM »
That setlist seems really short.

I am seeing them in May. I’m torn about the current setlist. I too, would rather see a bit more Fauna…but I would hate to lose MC.

If they just had the current setlist and added 2 more Fauna songs (especially the mini epic that I’ve heard so many good things about) that would be awesome.

The Euro leg is coheadline tour I think?  The US dates are not as far as I know. 

And a less positive review:

https://progressivemusicplanet.com/2023/02/13/haken-fauna/

This review completely lost me on this point:

Quote
Maybe the rest of the album was more like the Haken I liked in the past.

Maybe I’m an outlier music lover, but the reason I love Haken is *because* nothing they do sounds like their past.

If this was The Mountain Part 3, I would probably think it was OK, but at this point they would be just another “passing band” and then just faded away because they kept repeating themselves.

People who think along the same lines as this reviewer are the same as people who just listen to classic rock radio to listen to the same 100 songs over and over and over and over again.

TLDR - that “negative” review made me want it even more.

I don't think this necessarily holds true to be honest.

Look at Arjen Lucassen, Nightwish, Kamelot and the likes, the discourse here and online is that their recent releases have been very much in line with past material (for most releases I'd agree to a large extent). But doing so they have been more successful in recent times than in the past in varying ways (say, post 2010-2015, which is late in their careers). I actually count Steven Wilson/Porcupine Tree in this category as well. He/they gave us a PT record and it was a big success.

I don't really disagree with you though, but to me it is only a factor and it also heavily depends on the quality of the music and the enthusiasm/passion of the performances (studio and live). I am not against artists changing their sound. There are those where I really dislike it (In Flames) and some where I enjoy it very much (Sonata Arctica, Leprous, Opeth).

To me, it depends entirely on what people get out of the music. People desire certain aspects of their music. I call myself a music fan, rather than a fan of a specific genre, because I enjoy any type of music out there. I would love for any band to make any style of music they please, regardless of whether it's an unpopular genre or style.

I think one thing to consider is the prog genre often requires change because the fans appreciate that.  If you look outside the genre, that's not really normal.  It actually is often times despised to see bands make changes to their sound from the fan base.  So it's actually no surprise that bands that stick to what they do best do find success from doing the "same thing" over and over. 

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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #364 on: February 22, 2023, 12:59:38 PM »
That setlist seems really short.
They co-headline with BTBAM.

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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #365 on: February 22, 2023, 12:59:42 PM »
The studio versions of the current setlist add up to around 75 minutes, which should roughly translate to around a 90 minute set. That's about what I'd expect for the last billing on a co-headline tour.

The north America May tour is solo headline with only one support act, so I would expect sets to be more like 105 minutes, maybe pushing towards 2 hours.

Also for May, it will be very much a Fauna tour. I would expect less Virus (because they already toured it last year when out with Symphony X) and more non-single Fauna.

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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #366 on: February 22, 2023, 01:01:48 PM »
I'm just hoping that on the main Fauna tour, we finally get a new live album recorded with a good mix of Vector/Virus/Fauna material. Although, I wouldn't mind waiting for "Flora" to come out and then they can do a live album with a mix of all four albums' material, and title the live album VFX (The Vector/Virus and Fauna/Flora X-perience  :lol ).

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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #367 on: February 22, 2023, 01:03:55 PM »
I very much doubt that the next album will be called Flora. :lol

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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #368 on: February 22, 2023, 01:34:47 PM »
I'd still love a full Vector/Virus live recording.

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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #369 on: February 22, 2023, 02:11:28 PM »
I'm just hoping that on the main Fauna tour, we finally get a new live album recorded with a good mix of Vector/Virus/Fauna material.

This.

I'd still love a full Vector/Virus live recording.

This works too.
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #370 on: February 22, 2023, 02:50:36 PM »
And a less positive review:

https://progressivemusicplanet.com/2023/02/13/haken-fauna/

This review completely lost me on this point:

Quote
Maybe the rest of the album was more like the Haken I liked in the past.

Maybe I’m an outlier music lover, but the reason I love Haken is *because* nothing they do sounds like their past.

If this was The Mountain Part 3, I would probably think it was OK, but at this point they would be just another “passing band” and then just faded away because they kept repeating themselves.

People who think along the same lines as this reviewer are the same as people who just listen to classic rock radio to listen to the same 100 songs over and over and over and over again.

TLDR - that “negative” review made me want it even more.

I don't think this necessarily holds true to be honest.

Look at Arjen Lucassen, Nightwish, Kamelot and the likes, the discourse here and online is that their recent releases have been very much in line with past material (for most releases I'd agree to a large extent). But doing so they have been more successful in recent times than in the past in varying ways (say, post 2010-2015, which is late in their careers). I actually count Steven Wilson/Porcupine Tree in this category as well. He/they gave us a PT record and it was a big success.

I don't really disagree with you though, but to me it is only a factor and it also heavily depends on the quality of the music and the enthusiasm/passion of the performances (studio and live). I am not against artists changing their sound. There are those where I really dislike it (In Flames) and some where I enjoy it very much (Sonata Arctica, Leprous, Opeth).

To me, it depends entirely on what people get out of the music. People desire certain aspects of their music. I call myself a music fan, rather than a fan of a specific genre, because I enjoy any type of music out there. I would love for any band to make any style of music they please, regardless of whether it's an unpopular genre or style.

I think one thing to consider is the prog genre often requires change because the fans appreciate that.  If you look outside the genre, that's not really normal.  It actually is often times despised to see bands make changes to their sound from the fan base.  So it's actually no surprise that bands that stick to what they do best do find success from doing the "same thing" over and over.

Yup, and you just have to look at those bands setlists, always containing the same exact songs on every tour with a couple of others sprinkled in. Then you get Iron Maiden wanting to play their new songs, only to resort to playing the tried and true classics American Maiden fans desire from the band. But then again, I love when the genres blend in unexpected ways, such as Country Hip-Hop, or Black Metal Reggae (now this is an oxymoronic genre blend). And honestly, that's where music is at now.

I have grown to appreciate how a band wants an album to sound, more so than expecting what I want to hear from the band. This is how I appreciate Haken making Virus/Vector and do not really have a problem with it's sound and style.

From what I have heard of Fauna so far, I can hear a blend of all their previous styles and hints of previous things they have done. Such as The Alphabet Of Me giving me Host and Veil vibes with the use of the electronic drums and supporting ambience.
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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #371 on: February 22, 2023, 03:07:58 PM »
To those of you familiar with my countdown threads, I was considering doing a Haken one here after the Metallica one is over.  Could be a good time to do it, with the new album coming out soon.  I'd likely shoot for a top 25.   Anyone down for that?

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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #372 on: February 22, 2023, 03:36:10 PM »
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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #373 on: February 22, 2023, 03:54:40 PM »
Pretty sure I walked past Ross at the DT show in London yesterday.

Conversely, he's probably saying to his mates right now, "Pretty sure I walked right past Doctor Action at the DT show last night." ...
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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #374 on: February 22, 2023, 04:11:28 PM »
To those of you familiar with my countdown threads, I was considering doing a Haken one here after the Metallica one is over.  Could be a good time to do it, with the new album coming out soon.  I'd likely shoot for a top 25.   Anyone down for that?

I was actually toying with the idea of doing that myself, but I don’t want to intrude. I *really really* want a Haken countdown, but I was hoping to wait until June/July, include the Fauna tracks, and make it a top 50.

Oh…and Messiah Complex has to be 1 track.  ;D
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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #375 on: February 22, 2023, 04:32:20 PM »
Oh…and Messiah Complex has to be 1 track.  ;D

Well yeah. That way, Vector and Virus mirror each other with 7 songs each.  :P
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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #376 on: February 22, 2023, 04:39:18 PM »
Pretty sure I walked past Ross at the DT show in London yesterday.

Conversely, he's probably saying to his mates right now, "Pretty sure I walked right past Doctor Action at the DT show last night." ...

 :lol
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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #377 on: February 22, 2023, 04:46:56 PM »
I won't say what very limited info I was given about the N. American set specifics (which you can likely very easily guess at), but can at least confirm that it WILL be a longer set due to them being solo headliners.
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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #378 on: February 22, 2023, 04:50:35 PM »
I won't say what very limited info I was given about the N. American set specifics (which you can likely very easily guess at), but can at least confirm that it WILL be a longer set due to them being solo headliners.

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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #379 on: February 22, 2023, 04:57:23 PM »
To those of you familiar with my countdown threads, I was considering doing a Haken one here after the Metallica one is over.  Could be a good time to do it, with the new album coming out soon.  I'd likely shoot for a top 25.   Anyone down for that?

I was actually toying with the idea of doing that myself, but I don’t want to intrude. I *really really* want a Haken countdown, but I was hoping to wait until June/July, include the Fauna tracks, and make it a top 50.

Oh…and Messiah Complex has to be 1 track.  ;D

If you want to do it this summer and include the new songs, I will step aside for that one and let you run with the Haken ball.  :tup :tup

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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #380 on: February 22, 2023, 05:15:34 PM »
To those of you familiar with my countdown threads, I was considering doing a Haken one here after the Metallica one is over.  Could be a good time to do it, with the new album coming out soon.  I'd likely shoot for a top 25.   Anyone down for that?

I was actually toying with the idea of doing that myself, but I don’t want to intrude. I *really really* want a Haken countdown, but I was hoping to wait until June/July, include the Fauna tracks, and make it a top 50.

Oh…and Messiah Complex has to be 1 track.  ;D

If you want to do it this summer and include the new songs, I will step aside for that one and let you run with the Haken ball.  :tup :tup

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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #381 on: February 22, 2023, 09:57:00 PM »
I won't say what very limited info I was given about the N. American set specifics (which you can likely very easily guess at), but can at least confirm that it WILL be a longer set due to them being solo headliners.


Good to hear, their current set looks great and anything more is a bonus.

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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #382 on: February 22, 2023, 11:16:32 PM »
Pretty sure I walked past Ross at the DT show in London yesterday.

Conversely, he's probably saying to his mates right now, "Pretty sure I walked right past Doctor Action at the DT show last night." ...
Seems pretty unlikely see as Haken are currently in Germany on tour. :P

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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #383 on: February 23, 2023, 10:06:00 AM »
Pretty sure I walked past Ross at the DT show in London yesterday.

Conversely, he's probably saying to his mates right now, "Pretty sure I walked right past Doctor Action at the DT show last night." ...
Seems pretty unlikely see as Haken are currently in Germany on tour. :P

Oh.  :lol
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Re: Haken thread v. Fauna, 3rd March 2023
« Reply #384 on: February 23, 2023, 12:25:37 PM »
Pretty sure I walked past Ross at the DT show in London yesterday.

Conversely, he's probably saying to his mates right now, "Pretty sure I walked right past Doctor Action at the DT show last night." ...
Seems pretty unlikely see as Haken are currently in Germany on tour. :P

Oh.  :lol

No, it was Ross, he told me.  :lol