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Dream Theater => Concerts and Set Lists => Topic started by: The Paddies on November 08, 2015, 01:26:11 AM
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What songs would you like to hear besides the whole new (double) album?
I guess if The Astonishing (TA) is a double album there will only be time for like 30-40 minutes of older material.
Considering the hints of a dystopian/fantasy/futuristic kind of theme for TA I'd say songs like In The Presence Of Enemies, Prophets Of War, The Great Debate, Lines In The Sand, Metropolis Pt. 1, In The Name Of God and perhaps Pull Me Under and New Millenium would fit best lyrically.
Whatever songs DT will pick I guess it will be great and there are some cool tunes among the ones mentioned above. But I'd really like to hear other types of songs though, since the band is playing theaters. So my wishes are that DT chooses among these (softer) ones: These Walls, A Change Of Seasons, Disappear (I think this is the perfect tour to highlight this song for once), Surrender To Reason, The Bigger Picture, Through Her Eyes (w/extended solo), Through My Words/Fatal Tragedy and Eve (one can hope, right).
What do you think DT will do and what are your wishes?
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But I'd really like to hear other types of songs though, since the band is playing theaters.
Good point, for example I think we're all dying to hear The Glass Prison again, but it will kinda be a buzzkill to hear such a trashy intense song and being forced to sit down :D
It all comes down to the length of the album, if it's a double or not. If it's a double the two sets will be the entire album (Don't see them playing the whole thing and then playing some other songs before the encore... Imagine if on the last tour Awake was performed in its entirety, and imagine if it was a double album so long that it would have filled up the set: Set 1 from 6:00 to The Silent Man, set 2 what we actually got, and then after Space Dye Vest having another song, in this case Illumination Theory? I see it anticlimatic...), and the encore will be the older songs. They either go the extreme way, pulling out A Change of Seasons or Octavarium, or do a medley but that was more Portnoy's thing, or a couple of hits: The Spirit Carries On, The Enemy Inside (grammy nominated song) and Metropolis.
If it will be a single disc album, they could have a more properly balanced second set, something like this:
Bridges in the Sky
These Walls
Through My Words
Fatal Tragedy
The Bigger Picture
Peruvian Skies
Disappear
Stream of Consciousness
Forsaken
The Enemy Inside
The Count of Tuscany
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Metropolis pt. 1
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I can't see them NOT breaking out The Bigger Picture or Surrender To Reason surely??
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First of all, I would be surprised if this album is not two full(ish) discs.
That said,I saw two concept albums played in their entirety in my life thus far (barring Human Equation, which was a bit more like an actual play). One was Quadrophenia by the Who and the other was Thick as a Brick (1&2) by Jethro Tull/Ian Anderson. Both Played the two concept discs live and returned on stage for an encore with their hits/fan favorites.
My expectation is that DT will do something similar. Examples would be pmu, tsco, m:p1, and possibly grammy award tracks tei and otboa. However, this is DT and I also think they like to change up things, with setlists between tours being quite different (and last tour not even playing IAW tracks, for example). So I can see them doing something special at the end as well. If so, my wish would be a full on performance of ACOS. That or some songs they have never played or rarely played.
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A Change of Seasons.
Apart from that, TSCO is probably a safe bet, and I'd put money on Bridges in the Sky and Behind the Veil showing up. And of course I'd die happy if they played The Killing Hand...
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If they are filming a DVD of this then I need NEED The Count to make it on there. Surely the last of the epics to get a live recording??
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If they are filming a DVD of this then I need NEED The Count to make it on there. Surely the last of the epics to get a live recording??
No DVD, but there is the Happy Holidays version, which was great.
I think this is allowed to speak of here as it is a videobootleg with the free Happy Holidays material: On YT some fan attached it to live footage, it syncs really well as far as I can remember (captured from screens at the concert, giving somewhat DVD-like angles and close-ups of the band).
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New Date: Denmark, Copenhagen 8th march
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Considering the hints of a dystopian/fantasy/futuristic kind of theme for TA I'd say songs like The Great Debate would fit best lyrically.
Did I miss subliminal fantasy songmeanings in TGD?
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Considering the hints of a dystopian/fantasy/futuristic kind of theme for TA I'd say songs like The Great Debate would fit best lyrically.
Did I miss subliminal fantasy songmeanings in TGD?
Subliminal? The whole part of anti-scientific rubbish based on defendingthe rights of frozen embryos like they were new born babies is 100% based on fantasy - to be kind...
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It's impossible to surprise.
I wouldn't be surprised if they played the whole album in it's entirety.
I wouldn't be surprised if they did that and then encored with a popular song like Metropolis.
I would be surprised if I could go.
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Yep, I think some will be disappointed, but if the new album takes up most of the show, they almost have to play some popular favorites as encores (Metropolis, The Spirit Carries On, etc.).
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I imagine it will just be the new album.
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I was going to start a new thread for the U.S. but will start here. Assuming that the new material is outstanding,
do folks in the US want to hear the whole new cd and very little if any old material or mix it up. Of course this may depend on how much of the new material can be played independently.
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According to this interview, the only songs played will be from the new album....my bi-annual plug...I hope they play South Florida and the rest of the South this time around, but I am not expecting it...https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/inside-dream-theaters-wildly-ambitious-new-concept-lp-20151203 ...oh, and first song is released...listen here.
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I was going to start a new thread for the U.S. but will start here. Assuming that the new material is outstanding,
do folks in the US want to hear the whole new cd and very little if any old material or mix it up. Of course this may depend on how much of the new material can be played independently.
If they don't bring the whole "Astonishing Live" Tour over to the US I will be extremely disappointed. I imagine this album being as good as anything prior to 2006 and would like to see it the way it was meant to be seen. That said, I would be surprised if they did anything else, so my hopes are high.
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Guys we're still missing The Bigger Picture and Surrender to Reason...
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I imagine it will just be the new album.
This would be brave but also very special. I think even the people that didn't necccessarrily go crazy about the album would show up to see such a one of a kind show.
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I imagine it will just be the new album.
This would be brave but also very special. I think even the people that didn't necccessarrily go crazy about the album would show up to see such a one of a kind show.
It's advertised as 2 hours 40 minutes including intermission with the astonishing in full. With the new album beeing more than 2 hours long there is not much room for anyting extra.
Besides I think it could actually be strange to do a totally unrelated encore after this.
I'm thinking it will be Astonishing but no more than that 😉
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Yes, it most likely will be "only" The Astonishing. I would like to wait until I've heard the album in full before purchasing tickets, as they aren't exactly low priced.;) But with just a limited amount of tickets available, the shows will surely be sold out within a few days...
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Calling it now: Octavarium or A Change of seasons as the encore.
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Calling it now: Octavarium or A Change of seasons as the encore.
That would be great! Though I'm getting more and more worried that it might just be The Astonishing and nothing else, which would be a bit of a bummer from my point of view.
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Calling it now: Octavarium or A Change of seasons as the encore.
I hope for Octavarium as I always have since I first discovered DT in 2011, but I dont have high hopes to hear it on this tour :sad:
Maybe next tour or the one after that or perhaps it will be there on their 40th Anniversary tour :biggrin:
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They are presenting.............The Astonishing! I'd be SHOCKED if they did any other songs aside from maybe a 1 or 2 song encore.
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Guys, there is no way they are going to come out, play the entire new album over 2 sets, walk off stage and NOT play an encore. Get real.
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There won't be an encore. They play The Astonishing. And that's it. Believe me. I'ts billed as such, it's a theatrical show, with multi-media elements. I'm happy with just that.
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There won't be an encore. They play The Astonishing. And that's it. Believe me. I'ts billed as such, it's a theatrical show, with multi-media elements. I'm happy with just that.
Agreed....
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There won't be an encore. They play The Astonishing. And that's it. Believe me. I'ts billed as such, it's a theatrical show, with multi-media elements. I'm happy with just that.
Yeah, there will definitely BE an encore. :facepalm:
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Well, Petrucci in that Rolling Stone interview said that it was important to bill it that way so that the casual fan wouldn't come out and then say "Hey, where's Pull Me Under?"... however the way he worded it gave no conclusive indication if the whole album was the entire show or not.
The show will be an Evening With, 3 hours included the intermission, so 2h40' of actual music and in the same interview Petrucci said the album is around 2h and 10', so that leaves space for a 2-3 songs encore. Or a single epic as encore, as someone above suggested / hoped.
Anyway, this will be the first time in the history of DT shows that we'll know beforehand the order of the first 34 songs played ;D
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You have to think of this differently than a normal concert. You are going to a show with songs, plot, story, AV, etc. Not a concert of album songs. So expect a show, not a concert, and no encores.
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I do not expect them to, but I wouldn't count out an encore either. It can definitely happen.
And while it is indeed a theatershow, it is still the band playing a concert, rather than something like Ayreon's Human Equation rendition recently. Furthermore, I have seen theatershows with an encore (Jethro Tull/Ian Anderson's thick as a Brick parts I and II for example, followed by some hits at the end).
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I do not expect them to, but I wouldn't count out an encore either. It can definitely happen.
And while it is indeed a theatershow, it is still the band playing a concert, rather than something like Ayreon's Human Equation rendition recently. Furthermore, I have seen theatershows with an encore (Jethro Tull/Ian Anderson's thick as a Brick parts I and II for example, followed by some hits at the end).
Oh... they should definitely have time to play their hit
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The obvious choice is ACOS as the encore. That would be epic. They haven't played that in it's entirety since 2003 or 2004
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JP said that they'll play the entire new album every night. So that leaves the question of an encore or not. Personally, I got the indication from JP's interview on Rolling Stone when The Gift of Music was released that the band wasn't planning on playing any other music besides the music off the new album.
However, if they did decide to play an encore, I'd like to see something like Octavarium as the encore. I remember JR said a year or two back that he went back and realized how great of a song that was.
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If they do not perform an encore I would rather they not have long breaks in the music and play videos or have someone read a story to the audience.
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Album is 2h and 10 minutes, give or take. Show is 3 hours with intermission, 2h 40' of actual music. Something must account for those 30 or even 20 minutes missing, and they said they wouldn't bring additional performers, not sure if someone reading qualifies as a "performer" but my idea is that the show will still be a DT show, the 5 guys playing, with the atmosphere being enhanced by the videos - JP already confirmed there would be a strong visual element to the shows.
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How has the show gone from 2h40 with intermission to 3h? Is there any new information i've not seen?
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How has the show gone from 2h40 with intermission to 3h? Is there any new information i've not seen?
Exactly what I thought.... I don't think there will be an encore as 2.40 minus intermission leaves very little for anything extra.
Edit: went back again to:
https://www.ticnet.se/event/dream-theater-biljetter/406549
Where it says:
Arrangör: Triffid And Danger Concerts
Längd: ca 2 tim 40 min inkl paus
Åldersgräns: 13 år (oavsett målsmans sällskap)
2 hours 40 minutes incuding intermission
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*Including* intermission? I always thought that the info was that 2h40' was the actual playing time, since if you add 15 minutes of intermission you get, give or take, the usual 3 hours show.
I thought it was reported that way when the info came out from the promoters...
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Intermissions usually last 15 minutes, so take that away from the 2h40 and it leaves 2h25 for the show, meaning if you take away the 2h10 legnth of The Astonishing they have 15 minutes for an encore, if they do one.
My guess if they do one is Metropolis.
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We don't know if the show will be exactly as long as the album.... might be extended and the intermission might be 20 minutes
Don't hope for an encore.... it might very well not happen
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I don't understand why people keep saying that the show lasts only 2 hours 40 minutes with the intermission.
Please just take a look at BTFW, which has the exact same setlist as EVERYWHERE ELSE.
It does NOT HAVE the intermission time and still clocks more than 2 hours 40 minutes, in fact, I think it's even shorter than other shows considering they didn't jam before Trial of Tears.
So no, stop that, shows last up to 3 hours.
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We say that because it is promoted as 2 hours 40 minutes including intermission so stop hoping for more...
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We say that because it is promoted as 2 hours 40 minutes including intermission so stop hoping for more...
Still having my doubts.
Considering that's just a too precise number for a show, which happens to be the duration of the DVD's.
Second act would be very short in that case.
Whathever, saving my doubts until the setlist is known to us.
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Guys, no encore. Just get it out of your heads. It wouldn't even be appropriate, this is a cohesive thematic show, not a rock concert.
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Guys, no encore. Just get it out of your heads. It wouldn't even be appropriate, this is a cohesive thematic show, not a rock concert.
Without hearing any of the album at this point, I would tend to agree with this. When I was gearing up for Roger Waters' Wall show, I was thinking about what would be a cool encore, knowing full well that there wasn't going to be one. I know DT's TA show won't have the visual and production scope of The Wall concert, nor does TA album have the legacy of The Wall. But at the end of The Wall show, which was much shorter, I couldn't imagine any other way to end the concert.
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Just hoping for some extended solos and not just playing exactly like the cd.
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Just hoping for some extended solos and not just playing exactly like the cd.
I don't think this will happen given what the album is built up to be. I would guess that the main draw of seeing it live would be the visuals.
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I don't want an encore. And I guess there will be some extended parts, maybe a little bit of soloing/semi-jamming. No songs from other albums. I think it would be inapropriate actually.
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My encore prediction: Behind the Veil, The Spirit Carries On, Pull Me Under
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I don't see why an encore would be such out of place. They said they will have visuals to help the story, not that they're gonna build a stage set like Iron Maiden do (and then again... is it really out of place to hear exactly one song about Egypt in a full show played in an egyptian set? ok, no Iron Maiden album has ever been a rock opera, but still, nobody felt all the other songs were out of place in each specific stage set based around a song).
They're gonna come out, play the first CD and then walk out.
15 minutes later they're gonna come out again, play the second CD and walk out again.
It is really so out of place and weird and anticlimatic to have them come out yet again and play a couple of older fan favorites?
Anyway, I fully accept that I'm going to see "The Astonishing Live", they clearly announced it as such. Not gonna complain about the lack of an eventual encore, it would just be the icing on the cake.
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Posted this in official The Astonishing thread as well: Petrucci confirmed today by phone that there won't be an encore.
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Yep, saw it not longer than an hour after my post :D oh well, at least now we know.
Btw, to honor the original purpouse of this topic, here's my setlist wishlist:
SET 1:
Descent of the NOMACS
Dystopian Overture
The Gift of Music
The Answer
A Better Life
Lord Nafaryus
A Savior in the Square
When Your Time Has Come
Act of Faythe
Three Days
The Hovering Sojourn
Brother, Can You Hear Me?
A Life Left Behind
Ravenskill
Chosen
A Tempting Offer
Digital Discord
The X Aspect
A New Beginning
The Road to Revolution
SET 2 :
2285 Entr'acte
Moment of Betrayal
Heaven's Cove
Begin Again
The Path That Divides
Machine Chatter
The Walking Shadow
My Last Farewell
Losing Faythe
Whispers on the Wind
Hymn of a Thousand Voices
Our New World
Power Down
Astonishing
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Maybe they'll just fill up the "extra" time with videos to help tell (enhance) the story? Those wouldn't necessarily have to have music attached to them, so you can have a 2h10m+ music setlist, plus a 15 min intermission, plus time for videos between songs to get you closer to 3h. Just a thought... :metal
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The shows will be 2 hours 40 minutes including intermission... not 3 hours
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The encores would be no more out of place than those done on SFAM (with the exception of Metropolis part I). I think there is a good chance of a one song encore, so to answer the thread, my wish is: The Bigger Picture, which I think would be an amazing closer.
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It won't happen, but I want them to come out in an encore and do a cover of 2112. That'd be cool.
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With a 15 min. intermission, the main show will be 145 min. long. Add in guitar changes, spaces between songs, etc., and that will probably end up being around 165 min., leaving a 15 min. encore. My original thought was they would try to cram ACoS as an incredible 1 song encore. However, if that's too long, I would really love the encore to be Surrender to Reason-The Bigger Picture-Behind the Veil, to give the 3 neglected DT12 songs their time (not counting the festivals last summer).
I mean, my personal wish is for The Glass Prison, but I know that's a pipe dream, maybe forever at this point. :(
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The Glass Prison gets my vote. Great encore choice if you ask me.
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The Glass Prison gets my vote. Great encore choice if you ask me.
It'd be KILLER. But I doubt it's a high priority song for them, seeing as it hasn't been played at 11 years at this point :angry: :angry:
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The Glass Prison gets my vote. Great encore choice if you ask me.
It'd be KILLER. But I doubt it's a high priority song for them, seeing as it hasn't been played at 11 years at this point :angry: :angry:
All the more reason to play it if you ask me.
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Since it will be a theatrical presentation, I wonder if we'll even hear James talking, except for the very end.
After all when you bill a show as "The Astonishing LIVE" you don't really need to tell "We're going to play the whole album live", so I assume it will be a full head-on performance without any usual show talk between the songs.
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I don't recall James talking to the audience during SFAM, so its possible he will follow that same format. However, where SFAM was like one continuous long track, my understanding is that TA has more space between the tracks, which would allow more opportunity to engage the audience. I hope he does talk between some tracks to pump up the crowd.
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If this is still up for debate, take a listen to the interview posted with JP on Huffington Post a couple days ago. The link is on the DT page.
John describes the show as if you were going to a broadway musical, or another act that doesn't change venue to venue.
He specifically says "no encore." He contends that it would be weird to go see a show then get a random greatest hits encore.
I believe he is being sincere and consistent here, not setting us up for a surprise encore set. Get used to it. Not because of speculation here, but John P's own words.
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I read yesterday that there will be costumes and stuff to go along with the story.
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I get and understand what JP means. Itd be like going to see The Lion King then they start doing a song like Let It Go from Frozen.
We are going to The Astonishing live show, not a Dream Theater show, if you catch my drift.
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I get and understand what JP means. Itd be like going to see The Lion King then they start doing a song like Let It Go from Frozen.
We are going to The Astonishing live show, not a Dream Theater show, if you catch my drift.
I've got it, if you're talking about your...
Snow drift.
:neverusethis:
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I just wish they'd do a show within a 5 hour drive... and pay a little attention to the South East USA.
This tour looks like a good one.
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From JP during his AMA on reddit:
Re-creating the live orchestra and choir we used on The Astonishing would mean adding about 60-80 more people to the tour and unfortunately that is unrealistic. However, all of the orchestra and choir recorded by David Campbell will be playing back as part of the live video show that accompanies the stage performance.
So atleast we now know there's no plan for a live orchestra on the upcoming tour, I don't think anyone expected it but atleast we have it confirmed.
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A New Beginning with extended outro solo.. damn!
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From JP during his AMA on reddit:
Re-creating the live orchestra and choir we used on The Astonishing would mean adding about 60-80 more people to the tour and unfortunately that is unrealistic. However, all of the orchestra and choir recorded by David Campbell will be playing back as part of the live video show that accompanies the stage performance.
So atleast we now know there's no plan for a live orchestra on the upcoming tour, I don't think anyone expected it but atleast we have it confirmed.
Thanks for the information. Question - With this being played back live in the background, does that mean that the band has to play the music exactly as the cd. I was hoping for some variation in the music when I see them live. A ten minute version of a new beginning would be cool.
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I think we all know that they are going to play all of the new album live this year, but what if they weren't? What would be a cool set list featuring the best of the new songs and a bunch of older songs (from the first 12 albums)?
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Evening with DT 2017
Descent of the NOMACS
Dystopian Overture
The Gift of Music
The Enemy Inside
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Constant Motion
Light Fuse and Get Away
Three Days
The Hovering Sojourn
Brother Can You Hear Me
A Life Left Behind
Outcry
Octavarium
*Clock goes back 20 years*
New Millenium
Just Let me Breathe
Hell's Kitchen
Lines in the Sand
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Surrender to Reason
Take the Time
The Great Debate
Moment of Betrayal
Road to Revolution
Glass Prison