Author Topic: Battle of the Bands Volume 8: Led Zeppelin vs Porcupine Tree (Read 10976 times)

pogoowner · « **Reply #35 on:** June 18, 2012, 07:59:42 PM »

Quote from: Scorpion on June 18, 2012, 01:05:39 PM

Also, Zep recorded Kashmir, which is one of the best things that ever happened to this world.

This.

KevShmev · « **Reply #36 on:** June 18, 2012, 09:36:34 PM »

Quote from: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 18, 2012, 03:18:10 PM

How this is even a contest is light years beyond me.

Because people are voting for what band they like more?

Sir GuitarCozmo · « **Reply #37 on:** June 18, 2012, 10:04:43 PM »

My statement stands.

DebraKadabra · « **Reply #38 on:** June 18, 2012, 10:15:46 PM »

So spaketh Sir Coz, Lord of Beer and Boobies.

jingle.boy · « **Reply #39 on:** June 18, 2012, 10:24:37 PM »

Haven't read any posts, but just have this to say with the 4 vote advantage by PT at this point.

ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTING ME!?!?!?

That's all.

DebraKadabra · « **Reply #40 on:** June 18, 2012, 10:27:18 PM »

I wouldn't shit you, you're my favorite turd.

jingle.boy · « **Reply #41 on:** June 18, 2012, 10:31:13 PM »

In case anyone was wondering to what my dismay was directed to, I'll direct you to my left shoulder:

Bosk, Nick, Wolf... you're dead to me now.

*not sure myself if I'm serious or not*

ColdFireYYZ · « **Reply #42 on:** June 18, 2012, 10:44:48 PM »

Even though I love Led Zeppelin, Porcupine Tree is always one of my top 3 favorite bands (the other 2 are Rush and Dream Theater).

DebraKadabra · « **Reply #43 on:** June 18, 2012, 10:59:09 PM »

Quote from: jingle.boy on June 18, 2012, 10:31:13 PM

In case anyone was wondering to what my dismay was directed to, I'll direct you to my left shoulder:

Bosk, Nick, Wolf... you're dead to me now.

*not sure myself if I'm serious or not*

Pretty cool ink, if I do say so myself.

Kwyjibo · « **Reply #44 on:** June 18, 2012, 11:56:38 PM »

I voted for Zeppelin to even out the results, because the only way to do both bands justice would be a tie.

obscure · « **Reply #45 on:** June 19, 2012, 01:36:07 AM »

Zeppelin

crazyaga · « **Reply #46 on:** June 19, 2012, 02:19:04 AM »

Led Zepplin...
Porcupine Tree are great musicians but they lack the passion led zepplin have.

Mladen · « **Reply #47 on:** June 19, 2012, 03:28:35 AM »

Zeppelin is one of my favorite bands of all time. On the other hand, I got into PT very recently and think they are a great band, but time will show if they will top Zeppelin on my list. It's hardly gonna happen, though.

Elite · « **Reply #48 on:** June 19, 2012, 03:34:05 AM »

I guess it all depends on what you grew up with what your vote's gonna be in this one.

Ruba · « **Reply #49 on:** June 19, 2012, 04:07:57 AM »

Not very familiar with these, but because I don't really like Porcupine Tree, I voted Led Zeppelin.

Nekov · « **Reply #50 on:** June 19, 2012, 04:11:07 AM »

Quote from: wkiml on June 18, 2012, 01:09:20 PM

Led Zep easily for me

This

I have to admit that the PT fanboyism in this forum stil surprises me

Jirpo · « **Reply #51 on:** June 19, 2012, 05:18:58 AM »

Led Zeppelin is a great band, but I gotta go with Porkie tree.

TAC · « **Reply #52 on:** June 19, 2012, 06:05:44 AM »

Kev, I have loved your album showdown series so far but the last two matchups have been quite strange. I'm not even sure how you could debate either side. First off, Metallica vs U2 I thought was an interesting choice. Both bands were even labelled as "alternative" back in the 80's. But they are so different, you either like one or the other. What's to debate?

Now Porcupine Tree and Led Zeppelin??
I understand PT is very talented and are a great band, but they are not even worthy of a conversation with Led Zeppelin.
I suppose people will like them more than LZ, and if this is a simple poll, fine. I mean LZ probably isn't in my Top 15 bands, but I still acknowledge their place at the top of the rock music food chain.

skydivingninja · « **Reply #53 on:** June 19, 2012, 06:24:48 AM »

Quote from: crazyaga on June 19, 2012, 02:19:04 AM

Led Zepplin...
Porcupine Tree are great musicians but they lack the passion led zepplin have.

o.O There's definitely passion in PT. Just watch any interview with SW, he's very passionate about what he does, and so's the rest of the band. They just make completely different music than Led Zep.

Quote from: TAC on June 19, 2012, 06:05:44 AM

Now Porcupine Tree and Led Zeppelin??
I understand PT is very talented and are a great band, but they are not even worthy of a conversation with Led Zeppelin.
I suppose people will like them more than LZ, and if this is a simple poll, fine. I mean LZ probably isn't in my Top 15 bands, but I still acknowledge their place at the top of the rock music food chain.

Well the point is to put a band that's popular everywhere (Led Zep) and put them against a band that's popular here (PT) and see what the forum does. Just to see who likes who more. That's all. Everybody just cool your collective jets.

Sir GuitarCozmo · « **Reply #54 on:** June 19, 2012, 06:32:57 AM »

Quote from: TAC on June 19, 2012, 06:05:44 AM

they are not even worthy of a conversation with Led Zeppelin.

I'm sooo stealing this wonderfully articulated thought.

Quote from: skydivingninja on June 19, 2012, 06:24:48 AM

Well the point is to put a band that's popular everywhere (Led Zep) and put them against a band that's popular here (PT) and see what the forum does.

As what has happened is exactly what could've been predicted. This forum is frequented by a mostly younger crowd, the majority of who are into newer, heavier, and more progressive styles of music. It isn't rocket science to figure how this might likely turn out. Take note that I said mostly younger crowd before telling me that fogies voted for PT (not directed at you specifically, but whoever).

Jaffa · « **Reply #55 on:** June 19, 2012, 06:51:52 AM »

I never really 'got' Porcupine Tree. Cool band, but nothing that I'm drawn to. And while Led Zep isn't exactly a favorite band of mine, I'm definitely drawn to them from time to time.

LZ.

ReaperKK · « **Reply #56 on:** June 19, 2012, 07:59:52 AM »

Porcupine Tree, easily.

KevShmev · « **Reply #57 on:** June 19, 2012, 08:53:49 AM »

Quote from: crazyaga on June 19, 2012, 02:19:04 AM

Led Zepplin...
Porcupine Tree are great musicians but they lack the passion led zepplin have.

And how exactly do you know this?

Quote from: skydivingninja on June 19, 2012, 06:24:48 AM

Quote from: TAC on June 19, 2012, 06:05:44 AM
Now Porcupine Tree and Led Zeppelin??
I understand PT is very talented and are a great band, but they are not even worthy of a conversation with Led Zeppelin.
I suppose people will like them more than LZ, and if this is a simple poll, fine. I mean LZ probably isn't in my Top 15 bands, but I still acknowledge their place at the top of the rock music food chain.

Well the point is to put a band that's popular everywhere (Led Zep) and put them against a band that's popular here (PT) and see what the forum does. Just to see who likes who more. That's all. Everybody just cool your collective jets.

Bingo.

Quote from: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 19, 2012, 06:32:57 AM

As what has happened is exactly what could've been predicted. This forum is frequented by a mostly younger crowd, the majority of who are into newer, heavier, and more progressive styles of music. It isn't rocket science to figure how this might likely turn out. Take note that I said mostly younger crowd before telling me that fogies voted for PT (not directed at you specifically, but whoever).

Yeah, people voting for the band they like better, as asked. How dare they!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DarkLord_Lalinc · « **Reply #58 on:** June 19, 2012, 08:57:03 AM »

The generational gap is there, but it's not such a big deal. As kev says, people are just voting for the band whose music they find to be better. Not much of a big deal.

bosk1 · « **Reply #59 on:** June 19, 2012, 09:01:24 AM »

Quote from: jingle.boy on June 18, 2012, 10:31:13 PM

Bosk, Nick, Wolf... you're dead to me now.

Why? I voted for Zep.

Sir GuitarCozmo · « **Reply #60 on:** June 19, 2012, 09:15:24 AM »

Quote from: KevShmev on June 19, 2012, 08:53:49 AM

Quote from: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 19, 2012, 06:32:57 AM
As what has happened is exactly what could've been predicted. This forum is frequented by a mostly younger crowd, the majority of who are into newer, heavier, and more progressive styles of music. It isn't rocket science to figure how this might likely turn out. Take note that I said mostly younger crowd before telling me that fogies voted for PT (not directed at you specifically, but whoever).

Yeah, people voting for the band they like better, as asked. How dare they!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Play innocent about it. You may as well have said "Who do you like better, Kiss or Dream Theater??"

Hmmm, let me guess how that would play out...

Pitting a board favorite against an aging classic rock band and then pretending there's no bias is like the defender who commits pass interference, then puts his hands up all like "WHOA, not me, I didn't do anything wrong" when he gets a flag thrown on him for it.

KevShmev · « **Reply #61 on:** June 19, 2012, 09:21:17 AM »

It's 34-30 right now. That is super close. Kiss/DT would be an utter blowout, but I can do that one next if you really want definitive proof of that.

And it's not bias; it's personal preference. Good God, man.

TAC · « **Reply #62 on:** June 19, 2012, 09:33:42 AM »

I was just saying that the other matchups had bands linked to each other somewhat. I realize each thread is a snapshot popularity contest. But I just didn't see the connection between PT and LZ. To me it's not interesting because there's really nothng to debate. And I don't mean that in the way it's probably coming accross.
I mean, what do they have in common and what edges one out over the other?

Obviously the easy thing in the Metallica matchup would be to put them up against Megadeth, so I applaud Kev for not taking the easy way out, but I just looked at these threads as something more than "gee, duh, I like that one better".
The last two matchups had completely different bands.
I actually thought the Boston/GnR match up was a brilliant cross generational thread.

Sir GuitarCozmo · « **Reply #63 on:** June 19, 2012, 09:51:57 AM »

Quote from: KevShmev on June 19, 2012, 09:21:17 AM

Kiss/DT would be an utter blowout, but I can do that one next if you really want definitive proof of that.

I fully expected the matchup to be made simply to reinforce Kiss hate around here, though if you were to do it, we could all agree it would be a complete waste of bandwidth and, as such, should be locked and met with a warning.

Quote from: KevShmev on June 19, 2012, 09:21:17 AM

And it's not bias; it's personal preference. Good God, man.

Po-TAY-to, Po-TAH-to.

I agree to disagree. I seem to have to do a lot of that in GMD.

TAC · « **Reply #64 on:** June 19, 2012, 10:00:53 AM »

Quote from: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 19, 2012, 09:51:57 AM

Po-TAY-to, Po-TAH-to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBWQCHb95rg

jammindude · « **Reply #65 on:** June 19, 2012, 10:28:52 AM »

You also have to remember one thing when you talk about a prog rock crowd.

Prog rock fans (the aging ones specifically...especially the ones who are OL savvy) are the type that do not get locked in the past. They are always pushing forward.

I was listening to thrash in 84-86, *before* it exploded in the late 80's. I was listening to college rock and grunge in the late 80's, *before* it exploded in the early 90's. In the early 90's I was listening to Dream Theater, *before* they went on to become what they are now. I found out about Porcupine Tree in 2002, now 10 years later, a few of the kids on my block are PT addicts. Now I have moved on to something else.

I voted for PT because I like them better. *NO BAND* is considered to be "godlike legends" until they have been around awhile. And with the diversified way that music is distributed nowadays, I don't see how *any* new and interesting rock bands will ever manage the sales status that Led Zeppelin achieved ever again. So you can't go by sales...even though sales is what has essentially made Led Zeppelin so legendary. What I mean is that, if the true "next Led Zeppelin" came out today, they wouldn't achieve the record sales, reputation or fan base...even though they might be just as talented, innovative and forward thinking.

I grew up with Led Zeppelin, I think they are one of the most amazing and important bands that ever existed. But in the broad scheme of things, they were an innovative blues band who was in the right place at the right time....and they are not going to get "untouchable" status from me just because of that. No one is *totally* untouchable. There will always be another band with a new and interesting and innovative sound.

I voted Porcupine Tree, because I like them better, and I think they deserve it. If we were still living in a time when you could *ONLY* get music from a record store, Porcupine Tree would far bigger than they are...and they would be considered *rock legends* in about a decade from now. But that's another down side of the "two edged sword" that is the new age of music consumption.

TAC · « **Reply #66 on:** June 19, 2012, 10:32:56 AM »

Great post jdude!

bosk1 · « **Reply #67 on:** June 19, 2012, 10:34:23 AM »

Quote from: jammindude on June 19, 2012, 10:28:52 AM

You also have to remember one thing when you talk about a prog rock crowd.

Prog rock fans (the aging ones specifically...especially the ones who are OL savvy) are the type that do not get locked in the past. They are always pushing forward.

I was listening to thrash in 84-86, *before* it exploded in the late 80's. I was listening to college rock and grunge in the late 80's, *before* it exploded in the early 90's. In the early 90's I was listening to Dream Theater, *before* they went on to become what they are now. I found out about Porcupine Tree in 2002, now 10 years later, a few of the kids on my block are PT addicts. Now I have moved on to something else.

I voted for PT because I like them better. *NO BAND* is considered to be "godlike legends" until they have been around awhile. And with the diversified way that music is distributed nowadays, I don't see how *any* new and interesting rock bands will ever manage the sales status that Led Zeppelin achieved ever again. So you can't go by sales...even though sales is what has essentially made Led Zeppelin so legendary. What I mean is that, if the true "next Led Zeppelin" came out today, they wouldn't achieve the record sales, reputation or fan base...even though they might be just as talented, innovative and forward thinking.

I grew up with Led Zeppelin, I think they are one of the most amazing and important bands that ever existed. But in the broad scheme of things, they were an innovative blues band who was in the right place at the right time....and they are not going to get "untouchable" status from me just because of that. No one is *totally* untouchable. There will always be another band with a new and interesting and innovative sound.

I voted Porcupine Tree, because I like them better, and I think they deserve it. If we were still living in a time when you could *ONLY* get music from a record store, Porcupine Tree would far bigger than they are...and they would be considered *rock legends* in about a decade from now. But that's another down side of the "two edged sword" that is the new age of music consumption.

^That post pretty much sums up exactly why some prog fans come across as elitist.

Sir GuitarCozmo · « **Reply #68 on:** June 19, 2012, 10:39:52 AM »

Quote from: jammindude on June 19, 2012, 10:28:52 AM

Prog rock fans (the aging ones specifically...especially the ones who are OL savvy) are the type that do not get locked in the past. They are always pushing forward.

I'm going to hope that you didn't just call a whole bunch of people on this forum "locked in the past". Though it's real easy for people to pigeonhole me as "that hair band Kiss guy lol", calling me "locked in the past" is horribly inaccurate.

Quote from: bosk1 on June 19, 2012, 10:34:23 AM

^That post pretty much sums up exactly why some prog fans come across as elitist.

Oh. Holy. Shit. You took the rest of my post right outta my head. Thank you. It's borderline condescending.

skydivingninja · « **Reply #69 on:** June 19, 2012, 10:42:48 AM »

Quote from: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 19, 2012, 06:32:57 AM

Quote from: skydivingninja on June 19, 2012, 06:24:48 AM
Well the point is to put a band that's popular everywhere (Led Zep) and put them against a band that's popular here (PT) and see what the forum does.

As what has happened is exactly what could've been predicted. This forum is frequented by a mostly younger crowd, the majority of who are into newer, heavier, and more progressive styles of music. It isn't rocket science to figure how this might likely turn out. Take note that I said mostly younger crowd before telling me that fogies voted for PT (not directed at you specifically, but whoever).

Yes. Everyone is voting who they like more. And yet the results have been pretty close since it started. When you posted that, it was 30/30 even. Now its 34/33 PT. It's pretty close. Your tone seems to indicate that PT is winning by a landslide because of all the young kids (and occasional fogies, as you conceded). This isn't the case. Its who likes who more, as Kev said, and this matchup has been much closer than I would have originally anticipated (I too was wary about the "forum favorites" because I assumed it would be an uninteresting blowout in their favor. Kev proved me wrong).

jdude's post was pretty good (I really liked the 3rd and 4th paragraphs) but I'm not sure a majority of old prog rock fans don't get locked in the past. Just reading an issue of Classic Rock Presents Prog makes me think that the only new bands they can write about (other than the established acts) are those trying to emulate Floyd/ELP/Genesis/Yes

Quote from: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 19, 2012, 10:39:52 AM

Though it's real easy for people to pigeonhole me as "that hair band Kiss guy lol", calling me "locked in the past" is horribly inaccurate.

I dunno. It seems to fit

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