Star Trek: The Next Threaderation

[rumborak]

Enterprise is the FII of Star Trek. Initially hated, but the more time passes, the more one appreciates it.

[BlobVanDam]

Enterprise is the FII of Star Trek. Initially hated, but the more time passes, the more one appreciates it.

Nah. The difference is that FII was hated because it was different, but was actually awesome. Enterprise was just beyond stale rehash at that point and doesn't deserve any better than it gets. The only season that I think is worthwhile is S3, which was a really strong season, but then they lost all of that and went for contrived fanwank garbage for S4.

[King Postwhore]

I remember being pissed that the local station it was on at the time, (UPN) killed the last season by moving the time it played all over the week.  It was hard to follow before the DVR days.

[Kotowboy]

Enterprise is the FII of Star Trek. Initially hated, but the more time passes, the more one appreciates it.

Nah. The difference is that FII was hated because it was different, but was actually awesome. Enterprise was just beyond stale rehash at that point and doesn't deserve any better than it gets. The only season that I think is worthwhile is S3, which was a really strong season, but then they lost all of that and went for contrived fanwank garbage for S4.

I quite liked the Augments story arc.

[BlobVanDam]

Enterprise is the FII of Star Trek. Initially hated, but the more time passes, the more one appreciates it.

Nah. The difference is that FII was hated because it was different, but was actually awesome. Enterprise was just beyond stale rehash at that point and doesn't deserve any better than it gets. The only season that I think is worthwhile is S3, which was a really strong season, but then they lost all of that and went for contrived fanwank garbage for S4.

I quite liked the Augments story arc.

That was my least favourite of them all. They just tried cramming in so many backstories that were far better off left alone entirely.
The best story of the season was the mirror universe one, because for the first time the characters had some personality and fun to them.

[rumborak]

As much as I love him as Data, I've kinda come to hate anything else Brent Spiner is/was in.

[abydos]

I'll probably rewatch it at some point (I generally do not rewatch or re-read things unless a significant amount of time has passed). I had recently finished watching TNG and DS9. I never really watched them much in the 90s, just whenever we caught them on TV, in fact I think TNG was the only Star Trek that I had ever seen in the 90s. So once I was done with my TNG/DS9 marathons I needed more of that. Voyager failed to grab me so I started Enterprise.

One of the reasons I loved it so much, instantly in fact, was that it felt different and fresh. Suddenly we weren't on the best ship in the galaxy with the best and smartest crew that never really makes mistakes. It had a real sense of discovery, it wasn't just about the viewer getting to know the characters, it was also them getting to know the universe together, on a meh ship (compared to other civilizations), without infinite resources to back them up. There was also a sense of danger that felt real throughout the show, not just in the beginning.

As for the season 4 fanservice, I take that as an attempt to view back the trekkies that quit because of problems with the canon or that it didn't feel like Star Trek to them. And they probably knew it was going to be the last season so they tried to wrap things up. It did for me what a lot of people got out of BSG, but without the constant dread that made BSG really hard to watch, especially more than a couple of episodes at a time.

[BlobVanDam]

If there's one thing Enterprise is not, it's different and fresh. Most of it was rehash from earlier Trek (a lot of it from Voyager too), and it tried to copy the dynamic of TOS, except without the charm and attitude that made it work in the first place.

I think S4 was an attempt at trying to gain back the ST viewers who had abandoned it by relying on past Trek.  The show was boxed in by canon from the start, and they spent the first two seasons skirting around it on technicality so they could tell stories that weren't really ideal for it, then for S3 they came up with something fresh of its own that worked well, then for S4 they decided to go all in and tell stories that either shouldn't or didn't need to be told, or wouldn't have needed to be told if they wrote the show properly from the start. It was a confused mess. They should have just left it alone.
The producers involved didn't want to make any more Trek after Voyager, but the network pushed them, and that really shows imo with how uninspired the show is.

[abydos]

I don't know about that, I could never stand TOS. It didn't age well at all. So even if they copied from it, they must have improved on it.

[BlobVanDam]

I agree that TOS hasn't aged well for the most part (I always take digs at it when it comes up), but they most definitely did not improve on that aspect with Enterprise. They copied the dynamic, but without the personality. Archer was a cardboard cutout captain, and T'Pol was the worst main cast Vulcan they've ever had.

[Kotowboy]

T'Pol > 7 of 9 for looks.

Come at me

[BlobVanDam]

T'Pol > 7 of 9 for looks.

Come at me

If you mean in character, no way. If you mean Jolene Blalock vs Jeri Ryan, I'd accept that. The gaunt pixie bowl cut look doesn't do it for me though.

[Kotowboy]

If you mean Jolene Blalock vs Jeri Ryan, I'd accept that.

Yes. I prefer 7 as a character definitely.

[JayOctavarium]

T'Pol > 7 of 9 for looks.

Come at me

If you mean Jolene Blalock vs Jeri Ryan, I'd accept that.

Yes. I prefer 7 as a character definitely.

If you mean in character, no way. If you mean Jolene Blalock vs Jeri Ryan, I'd accept that. The gaunt pixie bowl cut look doesn't do it for me though.

All of this

[rumborak]

So, I'm almost through rewatching DS9, and I found out that while I think every character grew magnificently during the show, the one who made the least out of it was Bashir. Particularly the Section 31 episodes annoy me, because Siddig is just this impetulant cynic the whole episode.

[El Barto]

T'Pol > 7 of 9 for looks.

Come at me

If you mean in character, no way. If you mean Jolene Blalock vs Jeri Ryan, I'd accept that. The gaunt pixie bowl cut look doesn't do it for me though.

On this we disagree. As I've often said, 7 never did much for me but Annika Hansen with the longer hair was gorgeous. While I'm not a fan of the chile bowl haircut, T'Pol was still better looking, and better built, than 7. And for that matter, the short hair on JR was even less flattering than on JB.

[El Barto]

If there's one thing Enterprise is not, it's different and fresh. Most of it was rehash from earlier Trek (a lot of it from Voyager too), and it tried to copy the dynamic of TOS, except without the charm and attitude that made it work in the first place.

I think S4 was an attempt at trying to gain back the ST viewers who had abandoned it by relying on past Trek.  The show was boxed in by canon from the start, and they spent the first two seasons skirting around it on technicality so they could tell stories that weren't really ideal for it, then for S3 they came up with something fresh of its own that worked well, then for S4 they decided to go all in and tell stories that either shouldn't or didn't need to be told, or wouldn't have needed to be told if they wrote the show properly from the start. It was a confused mess. They should have just left it alone.
The producers involved didn't want to make any more Trek after Voyager, but the network pushed them, and that really shows imo with how uninspired the show is.

When I went back and rewatched it, season 3 didn't fair as well as I expected. While the Xindi storyline is very good, there's a ton of filler in there. Remember that more than half the episodes are unrelated or only tangentially related to the Xindi. Some were good and some were awful. Season two lacked the recurring story but might have been stronger in terms of quality vs shit episodes.

[BlobVanDam]

T'Pol > 7 of 9 for looks.

Come at me

If you mean in character, no way. If you mean Jolene Blalock vs Jeri Ryan, I'd accept that. The gaunt pixie bowl cut look doesn't do it for me though.

On this we disagree. As I've often said, 7 never did much for me but Annika Hansen with the longer hair was gorgeous. While I'm not a fan of the chile bowl haircut, T'Pol was still better looking, and better built, than 7. And for that matter, the short hair on JR was even less flattering than on JB.

I'm not a fan of having the hair up at all, and JR did look better with her hair out (who doesn't?), but even with hair up I preferred it to the Vulcan bowl, especially the bad wig from the first couple of seasons. It wasn't looking too bad in S3 and 4 when they switched it out though, and sorted out the eyebrows a bit.

I don't see how Blalock was better built. She was a twig with bolt-on tits. She looked a lot better in the later seasons when they had the more fitted coloured outfits, rather than the steel wool potato sack of S1/2, but you can't compete with the wonders of the corseted catsuit. (even out of the suit I thought she had a much better figure).

But hey, I'm not kicking either one out of bed! Each to their own.

[BlobVanDam]

If there's one thing Enterprise is not, it's different and fresh. Most of it was rehash from earlier Trek (a lot of it from Voyager too), and it tried to copy the dynamic of TOS, except without the charm and attitude that made it work in the first place.

I think S4 was an attempt at trying to gain back the ST viewers who had abandoned it by relying on past Trek.  The show was boxed in by canon from the start, and they spent the first two seasons skirting around it on technicality so they could tell stories that weren't really ideal for it, then for S3 they came up with something fresh of its own that worked well, then for S4 they decided to go all in and tell stories that either shouldn't or didn't need to be told, or wouldn't have needed to be told if they wrote the show properly from the start. It was a confused mess. They should have just left it alone.
The producers involved didn't want to make any more Trek after Voyager, but the network pushed them, and that really shows imo with how uninspired the show is.

When I went back and rewatched it, season 3 didn't fair as well as I expected. While the Xindi storyline is very good, there's a ton of filler in there. Remember that more than half the episodes are unrelated or only tangentially related to the Xindi. Some were good and some were awful. Season two lacked the recurring story but might have been stronger in terms of quality vs shit episodes.

I rewatched it semi-recently, and I still thought S3 was very strong. There are some definite duds, like Extinction, which is one of Trek's worst episodes, and North Star with it's random Western theme, but it also had all of my favourites of Enterprise, like E2, Carpenter Street and Similitude.
I don't think I'd want every single episode to be related directly to the Xindi storyline. It makes sense that given the vast nature of their mission, there will be tangents and mistakes, so I actually liked that aspect. I find things get too monotonous if they're too narrowly focused in their overall story arc.

It's not that the first 2 seasons are outright bad, but the vast majority of it is redundant and stale. It's consistently mediocre.

[El Barto]

T'Pol > 7 of 9 for looks.

Come at me

If you mean in character, no way. If you mean Jolene Blalock vs Jeri Ryan, I'd accept that. The gaunt pixie bowl cut look doesn't do it for me though.

On this we disagree. As I've often said, 7 never did much for me but Annika Hansen with the longer hair was gorgeous. While I'm not a fan of the chile bowl haircut, T'Pol was still better looking, and better built, than 7. And for that matter, the short hair on JR was even less flattering than on JB.

I'm not a fan of having the hair up at all, and JR did look better with her hair out (who doesn't?), but even with hair up I preferred it to the Vulcan bowl, especially the bad wig from the first couple of seasons. It wasn't looking too bad in S3 and 4 when they switched it out though, and sorted out the eyebrows a bit.

I don't see how Blalock was better built. She was a twig with bolt-on tits. She looked a lot better in the later seasons when they had the more fitted coloured outfits, rather than the steel wool potato sack of S1/2, but you can't compete with the wonders of the corseted catsuit. (even out of the suit I thought she had a much better figure).

But hey, I'm not kicking either one out of bed! Each to their own.

JR was way too tall for my taste, and while she did have more meat on her, it didn't do anything to make her curvier. The only curves she had were those enormous tits, whereas JB was nicely built from to to bottom. How many times did you ever see JR and think "wow, great ass!"?

[BlobVanDam]

I actually thought that often. Are you getting the two confused, because Blalock was the one with no ass. She was just a straight line with tits. The two are pretty much the same height too, 7 of 9 just had the heels.

[El Barto]

I actually thought that often. Are you getting the two confused, because Blalock was the one with no ass. She was just a straight line with tits. The two are pretty much the same height too, 7 of 9 just had the heels.

I guess it just comes down to preferred body types. Seven just always seemed to have no real defining features other than being a giant with a huge rack. Since I prefer smaller framed girls, which is not to say skinny, BTW, JB always came off better IMO. Also, the heals were part of the problem. I've never been a fan of the way high heals reshape the legs/ass.

[BlobVanDam]

At least we won't have to fight over Trek girls in this unrealistic fantasy battle.

[hefdaddy42]

I prefer Ryan.

[Orbert]

So do I, but Jolene is pretty hot, too.

[King Postwhore]

I often wondered if the actresses read threads like this.


Psshaw, like they'd have a chance with me.

[hefdaddy42]

So do I, but Jolene is pretty hot, too.

Well, yes.

[BlobVanDam]

So do I, but Jolene is pretty hot, too.

Well, yes. (but not as T'Pol imo)

[El Barto]

So do I, but Jolene is pretty hot, too.

Well, yes. (but not as T'Pol imo)

Yeah, I agree, but that wasn't the initial point. JR>JB, IMO. T'Pol>SoN.

In considering this I watched a couple of late night talk show appearances from both of them and it's rather interesting. JR really is gorgeous IRL, and she has one of those outgoing personalities that make her the focal point of the galaxy (just don't take her to a swinger's club). And yes, pretty nicely built. JB came across as flighty and a bit coked up, and not as pretty as JR (though I still prefer her body type), but she has an innate sexuality that JR seems completely devoid of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=febOvmrnVb0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV-3t4whoRA

[BlobVanDam]

I don't think I've ever actually seen JB outside of a TV show, just doing an interview as herself, or even seen her properly smile. That bumps her up a few notches (although I already thought she was hot out of costume anyway). The fact she's a pretty crummy actress usually works against her too, and she seems to be a total airhead from that interview (which could be viewed as a pro or a con depending on how you want to look at it )
Outside of Trek, I'd probably put them about even now, but it's still a no brainer for me in costume that 7 of 9 is way hotter.

[El Barto]

I don't think I've ever actually seen JB outside of a TV show, just doing an interview as herself, or even seen her properly smile. That bumps her up a few notches (although I already thought she was hot out of costume anyway). The fact she's a pretty crummy actress usually works against her too, and she seems to be a total airhead from that interview (which could be viewed as a pro or a con depending on how you want to look at it )
Outside of Trek, I'd probably put them about even now, but it's still a no brainer for me in costume that 7 of 9 is way hotter.

I generally tend to not judge anybody's acting based on their ST character. She played a convincing Vulcan and that's that. It's when they try to play other characters that you see how good or bad they are. That's why all of the DS9 mirror universe episodes sucked so horribly, horribly, badly. So I have no idea if she's a decent actress or not. As for the airhead part, probably, but she just seemed more doped up in that interview than actually dumb. Something else that'd bump her up a notch in my book. JR just doesn't strike me as the adventurous type, but eating some X or doing some blow and doing the late night chat shows works well for me.

[BlobVanDam]

I've seen Blalock in Stargate too, and she's just as bad. Still always appears to be on the verge of tears for some strange reason, and weirdly fidgety. I get the impression she scratches a lot between takes. Maybe that's why they had to invent the Trellium D storyline.

You can still have her. I'll take Jeri Ryan. I like 'em classy.

[hefdaddy42]

Paramount Invites “Star Trek Beyond” Fan Creator to Pitch TV Series

First potentially exciting Star Trek news I've heard in years.  Also, great opportunity for a fan!

[Kotowboy]

Khan ! The Musical starring Gael Garcia Bernal  !

[hefdaddy42]

Khan ! The Musical starring Gael Garcia Bernal  !