Your Controversial Opinions on DT

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

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[rumborak]

Let's abbreviate it as CS then. (Crap song)

[Jaffa]

... But that's still only two letters.  You must mean TCS.

[BlobVanDam]

Nope, because then we'll get it confused with the Adobe Creative Suite.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Also The Color Spectrum.

[Konrad]

Thank's for the replies, everyone!
Phew.. . It's hard to find bad/controversial things to say about Dream Theater,
Let me try some more:

If they put Eve, Bombay Vindaloo and Gemini together in an album, it would be definitely better than what they just released. They need a break.


Also, what happened to the songs above? Why weren't they recorded yet?
Sorre fo any englishes mistakens

[Implode]

Controversial: My favorite song off of DT12 might be The Enemy Inside.

[Lucidity]

The Enemy Inside is one of the few DT songs that I truly do not enjoy listening to. The opening riff is just so godawful to me, I can barely stand it.

[rickhawk80]

Phew.. . It's hard to find bad/controversial things to say about Dream Theater,

How about this:  Why do DT's songs all need to be so long and complicated?  They need to be short and more repetitive so they're easy to sing along.  And what's with all the long hair??  Time to get some haircuts, shorten the songs and make them more accessible to the general public and radio programmers.  I mean, have they learned nothing from mid-90s era Metallica???

 

[bl5150]

Controversial: My favorite song off of DT12 might be The Enemy Inside.

it's right up there for me too - along with (but below) IT and TBP.   It seems to be the Another Day of DT12 -  I enjoy the heavy , "to the point" nature of the song when I feel like a     I also like the way Mangini announces his presence right at the start.

Aside from some of JR's soloing I think it's a great track to change things up a bit ............although playing it following a well produced album it sounds like it's reaching my speakers through a muffler

[Konrad]

How about this:  Why do DT's songs all need to be so long and complicated?  They need to be short and more repetitive so they're easy to sing along.  And what's with all the long hair??  Time to get some haircuts, shorten the songs and make them more accessible to the general public and radio programmers.  I mean, have they learned nothing from mid-90s era Metallica???

 

You couldn't be more right, sir.
I mean, HELLO-OO, don't they know distorted guitars scare away people?!
And why always wearing black or dark clothes? P-O-S-I-T-I-V-I-T-Y GUYS!

Controversial: My favorite song off of DT12 might be The Enemy Inside.

I can't stand the intro. I can't stand the Chorus... Pretty Meh for me.

[sneakyblueberry]

Don't know if this is controversial or... universal.  But Petrucci needs to get the fuck out of the mixing room and let someone without any bias mix their albums.  I watched Live at Luna Park last night and I was like 'they should just rename this band John Petrucci or some shit'.  His GUITARS ARE ALWAYS TOO LOUD.  You can't hear Jordan or Myung unless they're soloing, and when Petrucci solos, EVERYTHING is gets buried by his guitar.  At least when MP was in the band there were some loud and sweet sounding drums, but Mangini's kit, for all its bells and whistles, sounds like fly swatters on ass cheeks, because its not mixed right, just like on the albums since MP's departure.  Get someone else to produce and mix the shit. 

rant over.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

I don't feel quite as strongly, but I agree for the most part.

[XB0BX]

I feel like Jordan Rudess isn't a Dream Theater fan.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

[Konrad]

Petrucci's high gain tone is awful. His tone was, overall, much better in the old days.

[sneakyblueberry]

I feel like Jordan Rudess isn't a Dream Theater fan.

I can see why you'd think that.  I thought the same when watching LALP.  The guy's sight reading his parts the whole time   

[GasparXR]

I feel like Jordan Rudess isn't a Dream Theater fan.

I can see why you'd think that.  I thought the same when watching LALP.  The guy's sight reading his parts the whole time   

I thought it was obvious he knows the parts already. He has said in the past that his sheet music also contains notes for when to switch sounds, or switch to another instrument etc. He's also classically trained and inclined to read sheet music.

[DoctorAction]

Don't know if this is controversial or... universal.  But Petrucci needs to get the fuck out of the mixing room and let someone without any bias mix their albums.

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At least when MP was in the band there were some loud and sweet sounding drums, but Mangini's kit, for all its bells and whistles, sounds like fly swatters on ass cheeks, because its not mixed right, just like on the albums since MP's departure.  Get someone else to produce and mix the shit. 

Totally.

[puppyonacid]

Interesting. I have to say that I believe that JP and MM would be the only ones in the band that would listen to Dream Theater if they weren't in Dream Theater if yagetwotI'msayin'.

Totally agree about JPs tone as well. Tone is subjective though. Volume isn't. He is way too loud on DT12 and LALP.

[krands85]

Totally agree about JPs tone as well. Tone is subjective though. Volume isn't. He is way too loud on DT12 and LALP.

I love his tone on DT12, not keen on it on LALP though. But yes, I also agree he is far too loud on both.

[MonagFam]

Interesting. I have to say that I believe that JP and MM would be the only ones in the band that would listen to Dream Theater if they weren't in Dream Theater if yagetwotI'msayin'.

Totally agree about JPs tone as well. Tone is subjective though. Volume isn't. He is way too loud on DT12 and LALP.

I think I'll always harp on the tone/volume of JPs guitars (well, until the mix changes a bit). 

Your first point is interesting as well.  Based on what the members do in side projects as well, when JP is involved, it sounds a lot like DT still (different, of course, but closer to DT than any of JRs or JLBs solo work, or JMs involvement with Platypus/Jelly Jam).  It seems like a lot of MMs stuff has not been as "progressive" (in terms of genre labels), but I don't know what his work with Vai, etc. has been like.

Granted, what you do on a side project doesn't mean that's the sound you want or would prefer.  (I seem to recall that with Journey, Neil Schon had said something to the effect that they were all welcome to pursue side projects, but was irked when Steve Perry's solo work sounded like Journey.)  It's still an interesting thought.

[genome]

Petrucci's high gain tone is awful. His tone was, overall, much better in the old days.

I would tend to agree - the last two albums I feel like his tone overall has been OK, it is well textured but lacks the sharpness and grit it used to have. I used to love that about his tone. Live, it still seems to be there though. When I saw them at Wembley in 2012, the palm mutes at the end of Pull Me Under nearly knocked me off my chair.

[aprilethereal]

It seems to be the Another Day of DT12 -  I enjoy the heavy , "to the point" nature of the song when I feel like a 

wat

Don't know if this is controversial or... universal.  But Petrucci needs to get the fuck out of the mixing room and let someone without any bias mix their albums.  I watched Live at Luna Park last night and I was like 'they should just rename this band John Petrucci or some shit'.  His GUITARS ARE ALWAYS TOO LOUD.  You can't hear Jordan or Myung unless they're soloing, and when Petrucci solos, EVERYTHING is gets buried by his guitar.  At least when MP was in the band there were some loud and sweet sounding drums, but Mangini's kit, for all its bells and whistles, sounds like fly swatters on ass cheeks, because its not mixed right, just like on the albums since MP's departure.  Get someone else to produce and mix the shit. 

I think the loud guitars kind of fit DT12, but other than that, I totally agree.

[rumborak]

Petrucci's high gain tone is awful. His tone was, overall, much better in the old days.

I would tend to agree - the last two albums I feel like his tone overall has been OK, it is well textured but lacks the sharpness and grit it used to have. I used to love that about his tone. Live, it still seems to be there though. When I saw them at Wembley in 2012, the palm mutes at the end of Pull Me Under nearly knocked me off my chair.

Interesting. The very same palm mutes in PMU on LALP were the first thing I negatively noticed on the DVD. All you can here are the overtones, no bottom end.

[Perpetual Change]

Petrucci's high gain tone is awful. His tone was, overall, much better in the old days.

I would tend to agree - the last two albums I feel like his tone overall has been OK, it is well textured but lacks the sharpness and grit it used to have. I used to love that about his tone. Live, it still seems to be there though. When I saw them at Wembley in 2012, the palm mutes at the end of Pull Me Under nearly knocked me off my chair.

Interesting. The very same palm mutes in PMU on LALP were the first thing I negatively noticed on the DVD. All you can here are the overtones, no bottom end.

Yeah, what's up with those? They don't even sound like palm mutes. They sound like he's gently striking the top of his strings with the thin edge of his pick.

[Konrad]

He should turn the gain knob counter-clockwise a bit. A generous bit.

[bl5150]

It seems to be the Another Day of DT12 -  I enjoy the heavy , "to the point" nature of the song when I feel like a 

wat

I could've structured that a lot better............"heavy" wasn't referring to Another Day.  I was , in the first instance, referring to it being a shorter and under rated song on the album. 

[genome]

Petrucci's high gain tone is awful. His tone was, overall, much better in the old days.

I would tend to agree - the last two albums I feel like his tone overall has been OK, it is well textured but lacks the sharpness and grit it used to have. I used to love that about his tone. Live, it still seems to be there though. When I saw them at Wembley in 2012, the palm mutes at the end of Pull Me Under nearly knocked me off my chair.

Interesting. The very same palm mutes in PMU on LALP were the first thing I negatively noticed on the DVD. All you can here are the overtones, no bottom end.

I think that's the mix more than anything... they hit you right in the chest when you were there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRTxcTPTZsE

You can kind of get a sense of it here at 3:35. Dat scream by the way.

[Viking of the Sagas]

Ayreon's "The Theory of Everything" is the album of the year, and DT shouldn't even reach the top 50.

[Evermind]

Ayreon's "The Theory of Everything" is the album of the year, and DT shouldn't even reach the top 50.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Pelagial crushes all competition.

[aprilethereal]

Ayreon's "The Theory of Everything" is the album of the year, and DT shouldn't even reach the top 50.

...in your opinion.

For me DT12 is still the aoty (although there are a couple of 2013 releases I still haven't heard but plan to do so, so it might still change).

My top 5 for 2013:
1. Dream Theater - Dream Theater
2. Tesseract - Altered State
3. Haken - The Mountain
4. Steven Wilson - The Raven blahblah
5. Amorphis - Circle

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

I should pick up the new Tesseract, I suppose. I somewhat lost interest after Dan left.

[In The Name Of Rudess]

He should turn the gain knob counter-clockwise a bit. A generous bit.

I actually think the main reason why he uses so much gain and delay/reverb/wah nowadays (especially live) is to cover up sloppiness. His playing has steadily become less accurate over the years and by using gain/effects he can hide this to some extent.