Official food thread v. Jingle.star

[lonestar]

Gnocchi will have potato for texture and flavor, but it traditionally is a pasta type dough(egg, flour, water) with potato added. As Adami said, there are tons of varietals to it, as there is to pasta. Gnocchi is in no way a dumpling for the record.

[El Barto]

Gnocchi will have potato for texture and flavor, but it traditionally is a pasta type dough(egg, flour, water) with potato added. As Adami said, there are tons of varietals to it, as there is to pasta. Gnocchi is in no way a dumpling for the record.

How so? It's boiled dough? By definition it's a dumpling.

[cramx3]

I've seen it mostly described as a dumpling but never understood why. They usually feel more like balls of a potato dough than a pasta with filling.

[El Barto]

I've seen it mostly described as a dumpling but never understood why. They usually feel more like balls of a potato dough than a pasta with filling.

I think it's a misconception that dumplings must have a filling. See again, chicken and dumplings.

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

I think it's a misconception that dumplings must have a filling. See again, chicken and dumplings.

For me, dumpling only brings to mind Asian ones. Never really heard anything called a dumpling outside of Asian ones

[XJDenton]

Historically, pasta had to be made with durum wheat, so gnocchi is definitely not pasta, though you can use it in the same culinary niche. I'd call it a type of dumpling, but since dumpling doesn't have a universal definition its not really a question which has a "correct" answer.

[Adami]

Historically, pasta had to be made with durum wheat, so gnocchi is definitely not pasta, though you can use it in the same culinary niche. I'd call it a type of dumpling, but since dumpling doesn't have a universal definition its not really a question which has a "correct" answer.

So that would cause any pasta that was made exclusively with all purpose flour to not be pasta?

[XJDenton]

In the UK, dumplings are basically just flavoured dough balls, and you shove a bunch of them on top of your stew to steam at the end of the cooking.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/beef_stew_with_dumplings_15297

So that would cause any pasta that was made exclusively with all purpose flour to not be pasta?

If you ask an Italian, probably. They are quite particular on the details when it comes to their cuisine.

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

Would an Italian know how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?

[XJDenton]

No, they have actual food in Italy.

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

No, they have actual food in Italy.

So, mac and cheese is not pasta? I thought cramx4 was Italian!

[lonestar]

How so? It's boiled dough? By definition it's a dumpling.

Isn't all pasta boiled dough?

[El Barto]

Isn't all pasta boiled dough?

Sure. That's why I said I had no clue where the line between pasta and dumplings was. What I do know is that gnocci has a very different texture from regular pasta, which is why I put it more in the dumpling category. Not to mention that they have the exact same texture as the dumplings in chicken and dumplings, which are simply flour, butter, and milk.

What confuses me is that the stuffed dumplings people are talking about here, poststickers, prierogi, gyoza, mandu, etc., actually are pretty normal pasta. Somebody asked earlier if these were simply ravioli, and at this point I'm not sure. 

[Jamesman42]

Sounds like the "a poptart is a ravioli" idea.

[lonestar]

Yeah, the lines are hella blurry to begin with here. That being said I've never referred to gnocchi as a dumpling, nor have I seen it referred to as such.

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

Sounds like the "a poptart is a ravioli" idea.

i had a donut today that was inspired by a strawberry pop tart

it was delicious 🤤

[Adami]

i had a donut today that was inspired by a strawberry pop tart

it was delicious 🤤

I'm glad you have some food you enjoy and don't JUST shovel in to survive.

[Jamesman42]

He did shovel it in but it barely scraped his tongue, and he liked it.

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

He did shovel it in but it barely scraped his tongue, and he liked it.

Exactly.

[Adami]

Kinky.

[bosk1]

Two rules are relevant to the discussion on the last page or so:
1.  When having a dispute over things culinary, defer to the chef.  Therefore, lonestar is right.
2.  When having a dispute over things culinary, never, ever, under any circumstances listen to a Brit.  Or a Swede.  Or a Brit living in Sweden.  Therefore, XJ will be serving out the rest of his temp ban in silence.

[lonestar]

[XJDenton]

Two rules are relevant to the discussion on the last page or so:
1.  When having a dispute over things culinary, defer to the chef.  Therefore, lonestar is right.
2.  When having a dispute over things culinary, never, ever, under any circumstances listen to a Brit.  Or a Swede.  Or a Brit living in Sweden.  Therefore, XJ will be serving out the rest of his temp ban in silence.

I'll take my punches regarding food from any European, but I'll be damned if I take flak from a country that thinks Marshmallow is an acceptable ingredient in a casserole.

[El Barto]

I'll take my punches regarding food from any European, but I'll be damned if I take flak from a country that thinks Marshmallow is an acceptable ingredient in a casserole.

Or in salads! Hear, hear.


edit: And it still doesn't change the fact that gnocci is a dumpling.

[cramx3]

Marshmallow is just generally bad in all instances 

[King Postwhore]

Wait!  Marshmallow in a salad?!  Never heard of that!

[bosk1]

Yeah, fair point on the marshmallow thing.  We can just agree to agree on that.

[lonestar]

I will say the higher end of the US culinary world is trying to distance themselves as much as possible from that travesty known as American 1950's cuisine.

[bosk1]

I think that's largely true of the middle and a good portion of the lower end as well. 

[Stadler]

But... but...  S'mores!!!!!!

[bosk1]

Nobody is putting down marshmallows in dessert.  They have their place in that context.  (and I'll fight anyone who tries to say Phish Food isn't the best Ben and Jerry's flavor)

[emtee]

Oh..my family makes a wonderful mandarin fruit salad with coconut, pineapple and those little marshmallows. Other than that, marshmallows suck.

[faizoff]

I'll take my punches regarding food from any European, but I'll be damned if I take flak from a country that thinks Marshmallow is an acceptable ingredient in a casserole.

I was going to post this gif to this reply




but I see the consensus is agreed on the use of marshmallows.

[jingle.boy]

Hey hey... you remember your emote!

I will say the higher end of the US culinary world is trying to distance themselves as much as possible from that travesty known as American 1950's cuisine.

But ... but... jello casserole!!!

But... but...  S'mores!!!!!!

[XJDenton]

I was going to post this gif to this reply

I mean, you did.