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Russell Allen (Symphony X, Adrenaline Mob) and Jorn Lande (MasterPlan) have gotten together and recorded another classic metal album under the Allen-Lande moniker! The new album, THE GREAT DIVIDE was recorded under the direction of Timo Tolkki (Timo Tolkki's Avalon, Stratovarius), who also contributed to the songwriting process. The album will be released this October, but in the meantime, here is a sneak peek at the album cover! Looks pretty epic to us! What do you guys think?
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Russell and Jorn are awesome, cover looks awesome, but Tolkki's involvement has me concerned.
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Russell and Jorn are awesome, cover looks awesome, but Tolkki's involvement has me concerned.
I think until it comes out we can all just quote this post as a response :lol
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Russell and Jorn are awesome, cover looks awesome, but Tolkki's involvement has me concerned.
I think until it comes out we can all just quote this post as a response :lol
I guess I don't know anything about Tolkki (I'm not familiar with any of his work).
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It's been less than stellar lately.
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Russell and Jorn are awesome, cover looks awesome, but Tolkki's involvement has me concerned.
I think until it comes out we can all just quote this post as a response :lol
Unfortunately so. Colour me unexcited. Now if Karlsson was still involved...
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Yeah. Basically, dude made some very acclaimed power metal with Stratovarius in the mid-90's (up until the early 2000's) and things kept getting progressively worse. He's also battled with bipolar disorder for a while and god knows what else.
It's not that his stuff is BAD, it's just the blandest you'll ever hear, but there are still a lot of people in the metal world who are willing to work with him, for whatever reason.
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Russell and Jorn are awesome, cover looks awesome, but Tolkki's involvement has me concerned.
I think until it comes out we can all just quote this post as a response :lol
You two nailed it.
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Yeah. Basically, dude made some very acclaimed power metal with Stratovarius in the mid-90's (up until the early 2000's) and things kept getting progressively worse. He's also battled with bipolar disorder for a while and god knows what else.
It's not that his stuff is BAD, it's just the blandest you'll ever hear, but there are still a lot of people in the metal world who are willing to work with him, for whatever reason.
Pretty well summed up :biggrin:
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FUUUUCCKKKK!!!
I was hoping things got handed back to Karlsson. Tollki's last few works have been absolute shit, I fear for this, and to be honest, without Karlsson, I'm not sure I even give a shit. Allen/Lande IMO WAS Karlsson's project.
It sounds like there will be more people involved by the sounds of that spiel. Looking at that cover leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
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Russell and Jorn are awesome, cover looks awesome, but Tolkki's involvement has me concerned.
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I guess I don't know much about Timo beyond enjoying some of his older stuff. But all the negativity in here has me going into this cautiously unoptimistic. That's probably for the best anyways!
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I'm still excited for the release until officially proven disappointed.
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I'll still check it out on release date, but the steaming turds that Tolkki laid with the two Avalon albums means I can't even be cautiously optimistic. I mean, when he can attract vocalists like (for the first one) Rob Rock, Russel Allen, Elize Ryd, Kiske, Sharon Den Adel, and Tony Kakko... then (for the second one) Simone Simons, Floor Jansen, Fabio Lione, David DeFeis, Ryd, Zak Stevens... c'mon!!! With that cast of vocalists!?!?!?! WTH man!?!? I could eat alphabet soup and shit out better lyrics, then rip popcorn fart bubbles underwater that have better melodies than he put out.
I have zero hope for this, which pisses me off immensely, seeing how much I adore the trilogy.
The only way I could be less enthused about would be if Geoff Tate was writing this.
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Popcorn Fart Bubbles :metal
The Battle was the only one I liked.
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Russell and Jorn are awesome, cover looks awesome, but Tolkki's involvement has me concerned.
I think until it comes out we can all just quote this post as a response :lol
Absolutely. :lol
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Russell and Jorn are awesome, cover looks awesome, but Tolkki's involvement has me concerned.
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mean, when he can attract vocalists like (for the first one) Rob Rock, Russel Allen, Elize Ryd, Kiske, Sharon Den Adel, and Tony Kakko... then (for the second one) Simone Simons, Floor Jansen, Fabio Lione, David DeFeis, Ryd, Zak Stevens... c'mon!!! With that cast of vocalists!?!?!?! WTH man!?!? I could eat alphabet soup and shit out better lyrics, then rip popcorn fart bubbles underwater that have better melodies than he put out.
That Design The Century song was the worst under-utilization of Floor's voice I have ever heard.
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I'll still check it out on release date, but the steaming turds that Tolkki laid with the two Avalon albums means I can't even be cautiously optimistic. I mean, when he can attract vocalists like (for the first one) Rob Rock, Russel Allen, Elize Ryd, Kiske, Sharon Den Adel, and Tony Kakko... then (for the second one) Simone Simons, Floor Jansen, Fabio Lione, David DeFeis, Ryd, Zak Stevens... c'mon!!! With that cast of vocalists!?!?!?! WTH man!?!? I could eat alphabet soup and shit out better lyrics, then rip popcorn fart bubbles underwater that have better melodies than he put out.
I have zero hope for this, which pisses me off immensely, seeing how much I adore the trilogy.
The only way I could be less enthused about would be if Geoff Tate was writing this.
This whole statement reads very harsh, but unfortunately, it's pure fact 100% and I couldn't agree more, especially considering how good the first three were.
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Popcorn Fart Bubbles :metal
The Battle was the only one I liked.
The Battle is single handedly one of the greatest melodic rock records ever IMO.
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The Battle is single handedly one of the greatest melodic rock records ever IMO.
Dats da truf :coolio
I had it as a maybe for my top 50 until I changed the criteria to "life impact" which made it very hard for relatively new releases to make it. I regard it very highly and , although the others are good, I rarely really feel the need to go past the debut.
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The Revenge is pretty close IMO, but Battle is just one of those special ones that will never be recreated.
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Russell and Jorn are awesome, cover looks awesome, but Tolkki's involvement has me concerned.
Same here, that newest Avalon disc is....bad.
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Popcorn Fart Bubbles :metal
The Battle was the only one I liked.
The Battle is single handedly one of the greatest melodic rock records ever IMO.
I listened to The Battle last night after what must have been a couple years of not hearing it, and I like it even more now.
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The Battle is the best of the first three, I think. It's the only one I ever reach for.
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The Battle is the best of the first three, I think. It's the only one I ever reach for.
It's the one I reach for 75% of the time. And Barry, as bad as Avalon II was, I actually think it's a little better than the first.
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I don't understand how such a project attracts all of those guest players. Especially after the first turd was dropped.
Then again, Ryo Okumoto's in my band, so maybe I should just STFU :lol
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I don't understand how such a project attracts all of those guest players. Especially after the first turd was dropped.
Then again, Ryo Okumoto's in my band, so maybe I should just STFU :lol
:lol :lol
And PelleK!! Difference is that there is nothing steamy or turdy about Back From Being Gone.
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aww, gee, thanks man :blush
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I'm still excited for the release until officially proven disappointed.
i love your optimism jj but there's not much to get excited about so far.
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Popcorn Fart Bubbles :metal
The Battle was the only one I liked.
The Battle is single handedly one of the greatest melodic rock records ever IMO.
I listened to The Battle last night after what must have been a couple years of not hearing it, and I like it even more now.
That's one of the things that makes it so classic, it doesn't get old or boring.
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Magnus Karlsson confirms he has no part in this project on a facebook response.
https://www.facebook.com/MAGNUSKARLSSONSFREEFALL/posts/765036383518846
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The Battle is the best of the first three, I think. It's the only one I ever reach for.
then reach a little longerrrrrrrrr :neverusethis:
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That trilogy is just amazing music
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The Revenge was A LOT better than I remember it.
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The Revenge was A LOT better than I remember it.
:tup
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album trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gezpefzBqIA&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gezpefzBqIA&feature=youtu.be)
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They sound great. Especially Russ. Despite the lazy background, I like the vocal melodies enough to enjoy this, if the entire album is similar to these snippets.
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So Avalon 3 then.
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Maaaan, I really like Russell Allen. I'm glad he exists.
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Maaaan, I really like Russell Allen. I'm glad he exists.
Me too, but those samples sounded like Avalon and Judas Priest B-sides. He even had that keyboard thing from Enshrined in my Memory.
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Hahahah I just picked it up now :lol eh, what can you do. We expected nothing more than that. I might be inclined to give it several spins after all, since I'm just craving to hear some good singing at the moment.
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Why, Timo, why?!
The songs in that clip are straight from Avalon which are straight from latter-day Tolkki Stratovarius, but not as good, from a decade ago - and even then it was stale anyway.
the fuck
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album trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gezpefzBqIA&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gezpefzBqIA&feature=youtu.be)
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Pathetic. The second song is again Tolkki rewriting Paradise. Did he even listen to the first 3 albums? I guess he's so arrogant and one dimensional these days, this is the best he can come up with.
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He needs to change his meds or something, maybe.
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He needs to change his meds or something, maybe.
Yeah, the repetitive, simplistic crap he's churning out is a disgrace. Frontiers needs to fire his ass, seriously. I'm sure Karlsson's scrapped demo's would be better than what we are hearing so far.
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bummer....this doesn't sound good
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Was an explanation ever given as to why Karlsson is out and Tolkki is writing this album?
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Was an explanation ever given as to why Karlsson is out and Tolkki is writing this album?
I would like to know the same thing. It's got to be money related.
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I would like to know the same thing. It's got to be money related.
Or scheduling conflict?
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yeah, has to be one or the other. It can't see it possibly being creative differences.
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Just listened, and it was so crap, I felt compelled to comment and 'dislike' the video. Horrendous. Tolkki should be publicly shamed for how awful these last three albums have been, despite having amazing vocal talent at his disposal.
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Was an explanation ever given as to why Karlsson is out and Tolkki is writing this album?
No. Karlsson's last project was Primal Fear and I know he's working on the next Kiske/Sommerville album, but other than that, I don't see why they would give it to someone else based on scheduling conflicts.
yeah, has to be one or the other. It can't see it possibly being creative differences.
I don't think so. I've read an interview with Russ a while back saying he loved what Karlsson was doing and enjoy singing his songs on this project with Jorn.
Just listened, and it was so crap, I felt compelled to comment and 'dislike' the video. Horrendous. Tolkki should be publicly shamed for how awful these last three albums have been, despite having amazing vocal talent at his disposal.
I disliked the vid too, and I rarely do that.
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I think it'll take a few spins to really get the feel of it.
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I think it'll take a few spins to really get the feel of it.
If that's the case, I'll never get the feel of it.
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I'm actually still really bitter about all this. :lol
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First full track:
https://soundcloud.com/frontiersrecords/come-dream-with-me/s-k7ZzA
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Not as bad as I feared.....................love Allen's vocals on it. The guitar lacks balls though. If he had the same edge he had back in the early Strato days I'd be pumped for this but I expect it's all going to sound alike. If that's the "single" and the rest has some edge to it , then it may be okay. Fingers crossed.
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Not as bad as I feared.....................love Allen's vocals on it. The guitar lacks balls though. If he had the same edge he had back in the early Strato days I'd be pumped for this but I expect it's all going to sound alike. If that's the "single" and the rest has some edge to it , then it may be okay. Fingers crossed.
Yeah Allen's vocals are rockin on it.
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It's actually not that bad.
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I'll have to hear it for myself, but, "It's actually not that bad" is hardly a ringing endorsement.
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I'll have to hear it for myself, but, "It's actually not that bad" is hardly a ringing endorsement.
Well, I'm not into the whole Allen/Lande thing, nor am I into Tolki/Strats, so to hear people that are into those bands say this on stinks was interesting. I truly expected to shut it off 30 seconds in, but I made it to the end no problem.
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I'll have to hear it for myself, but, "It's actually not that bad" is hardly a ringing endorsement.
Well, considering how AWESOME the first trilogy was, and how shite the recent Timo stuff was (despite amazing vocalists, INCLUDING Russel), expectations were severely dampened across the board.
The song was ok - better than pretty much anything on the Avalon albums, but still in the bottom tier of anything from the first trilogy.
I'm still keeping my expectations low, but I've just upgraded myself to "I'll at least listen to the album once".
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solid track
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It was ok but ok isn't going to cut it these days with the other 1000 new releases waiting to be heard. Sounded exactly like Avalon. Nothing to get excited about even with those two singing but as Chad says, I'll give it a listen.
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Pretty good track, nothing special. It has been said before and I echo it again that Russel has one of the cleanest voices in metal. You don't hear such range and power from a metal singer every day.
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It was ok but ok isn't going to cut it these days with the other 1000 new releases waiting to be heard. Sounded exactly like Avalon. Nothing to get excited about even with those two singing but as Chad says, I'll give it a listen.
I pretty much agree with this. I don't mind the roughness in the sound and it does have a bit of attitude compared to the stale sounding Avalon albums, and both sound good, especially Russ, I think that's what saves this somewhat. But really, we've heard this before, parts of this song just remind you of various Strato and Avalon songs.
Tolkki's lead playing really sucks these days too.
If this is one of the best songs on the album, we shouldn't expect much.
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Sounds like a typical boring Tolkki song to me. Even Russell Allen can't save it.
Pretty much what I expected though.
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I had to turn it off halfway through.
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I had to turn it off halfway through.
Why?
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Completely uninteresting, generic, Avalon, etc.
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I really liked their first album but this is just too simple, uninteresting song. Allen and Lande needs to be much more balls-crushing and metal band than this.
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I would definitely have preferred an Allen/Lande CD with Karlsson on board .. duh! But this is better than I expected tbh... after all those shitty Avalon songs....
let's wait and see....
I'll still check it out on release date, but the steaming turds that Tolkki laid with the two Avalon albums means I can't even be cautiously optimistic. I mean, when he can attract vocalists like (for the first one) Rob Rock, Russel Allen, Elize Ryd, Kiske, Sharon Den Adel, and Tony Kakko... then (for the second one) Simone Simons, Floor Jansen, Fabio Lione, David DeFeis, Ryd, Zak Stevens... c'mon!!! With that cast of vocalists!?!?!?! WTH man!?!? I could eat alphabet soup and shit out better lyrics, then rip popcorn fart bubbles underwater that have better melodies than he put out.
I lol'd hard :lol
100 % truth though!
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You rip popcorn fart bubbles too!?!? Awesome. :lol
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OMG hahahahahaah :rollin :rollin :rollin
yes :blush
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OMG hahahahahaah :rollin :rollin :rollin
yes :blush
But not in front of JLB! :biggrin:
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C'mon, it sounds like Helloween with Kiske on board (not the vox, the song of course). Welcome back to 80s power metal. Frankly, if I want something in that vein, I'm going to listen to the original or the first Masterplan for that matter. Not even the best rock singers there are currently can save the song.
B.Lee
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Completely uninteresting, generic, Avalon, etc.
Yeah. I have no interest in listening to it again, but I will check out the album when it comes out.
C'mon, it sounds like Helloween with Kiske on board (not the vox, the song of course). Welcome back to 80s power metal. Frankly, if I want something in that vein, I'm going to listen to the original or the first Masterplan for that matter. Not even the best rock singers there are currently can save the song.
B.Lee
I don't really hear that myself.
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Well, I was thinking of the chorus mainly in fact. Tbh, I'm not really into that kind of metal anymore (meaning Allen/Lande), so I've surely been a little biased.
B.Lee
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OMG hahahahahaah :rollin :rollin :rollin
yes :blush
But not in front of JLB! :biggrin:
:lol nooooooo
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Well, I was thinking of the chorus mainly in fact. Tbh, I'm not really into that kind of metal anymore (meaning Allen/Lande), so I've surely been a little biased.
B.Lee
I guess I could see that with the ending of the chorus. If it was sped up, it would be a standard Strato song, so I see what you're getting at.
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Well, I was thinking of the chorus mainly in fact. Tbh, I'm not really into that kind of metal anymore (meaning Allen/Lande), so I've surely been a little biased.
B.Lee
I guess I could see that with the ending of the chorus. If it was sped up, it would be a standard Strato song, so I see what you're getting at.
Yep, that's more what I was hinting at.
B.Lee
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This is up on Spotify, if anyone cares. :lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y6e6fSa7oJM
Sounds like Paradise.
This is up on Spotify, if anyone cares. :lol
I'll listen, but I doubt I'll buy this.
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This is up on Spotify, if anyone cares. :lol
I'll listen, but I doubt I'll buy this.
Pretty much what I'm anticipating too. :sadpanda:
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Well, this is a Timo Tolkki album, no doubt about that. :mehlin The same boring song structures, tired drum beats, and underutilised vocalists.
Solid Ground is almost passable because it actually has a riff in it, but other than that I can't even remember what I just listened to. The songs are near-identical and absolutely nothing stands out.
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Well, this is a Timo Tolkki album, no doubt about that. :mehlin The same boring song structures, tired drum beats, and underutilised vocalists.
Solid Ground is almost passable because it actually has a riff in it, but other than that I can't even remember what I just listened to. The songs are near-identical and absolutely nothing stands out.
Sadly.... exactly what I expected.
:wahhh:
Also, not on Spotify US yet.
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Well, this is a Timo Tolkki album, no doubt about that. :mehlin The same boring song structures, tired drum beats, and underutilised vocalists.
Solid Ground is almost passable because it actually has a riff in it, but other than that I can't even remember what I just listened to. The songs are near-identical and absolutely nothing stands out.
Sadly.... exactly what I expected.
:wahhh:
Also, not on Spotify US yet.
Just had a listen. Yup, it's just kinda there. Boring but not awful. Not purchase worthy as a wise man often says... :biggrin:
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Just had a listen. Yup, it's just kinda there. Boring but not awful. Not purchase worthy as a wise man often says... :biggrin:
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Comments as we all expected. What a terrible waste this is. It could have been so much more.
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Comments as we all expected. What a terrible waste this is. It could have been so much more.
It's not awful. Just nothing memorable either. Generic Tolkki. Stratovarius are so lucky not to have him these days. Their last couple blow his stuff out of the water.
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What would you give it out of 10?
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What would you give it out of 10?
6 maybe. Most of that is for the vocals really. The music is generally cliched rubbish.
The new MindMaze album will kick the shit out of it.
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Comments as we all expected. What a terrible waste this is. It could have been so much more.
It's not awful. Just nothing memorable either. Generic Tolkki. Stratovarius are so lucky not to have him these days. Their last couple blow his stuff out of the water.
Absolutely.
What would you give it out of 10?
6 maybe. Most of that is for the vocals really. The music is generally cliched rubbish.
The new MindMaze album will kick the shit out of it.
That score simply isn't good enough.
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I gave The Great Divide a chance...
To me it sounds like prime Stratovarius (that horrible self titled album) leftovers.
The riffs and even some of the vocal melodies are right up Kotipelto's path.
I can even picture him singing this stuff.
Really the self titled Stratovarius album was a low point, this could be even worse.
Not even two the greatest singers from our genre's can save this turd from the garbage bin.
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Funnily enough the folks on the melodic rock sites seem to be lapping it up for the most part.
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Yeah noticed that myself, though they do seem to be 'easily' pleased ???
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Yeah noticed that myself, though they do seem to be 'easily' pleased ???
They certainly are.
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To me the old albums also sounded like simple straightforward rock music with amazing vocals, but I guess I just don't like the genre. It was entertaining though and I loved some of the vocal melodies.
I did not try out this one yet, but reading this I wonder who the hell gives Tollki so much power. Avalon is terrible and has many of my favourite vocalists, I do not even know how he managed to make it suck that bad. And wasn't the guy crazy and difficult to work with? Or was that the other part of Stratovarius?
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Funnily enough the folks on the melodic rock sites seem to be lapping it up for the most part.
Metal Temple gave it 10 out of 10 and claimed it a masterpiece.
https://www.metal-temple.com/site/catalogues/entry/reviews/cd_3/a_2/allen-lande-the.htm
Saying that, the reviewers favourite song is Edge of Thorns. He didn't mention the similarities though, and he called the song Lady of Winter lol.
I gave The Great Divide a chance...
To me it sounds like prime Stratovarius (that horrible self titled album) leftovers.
The riffs and even some of the vocal melodies are right up Kotipelto's path.
I can even picture him singing this stuff.
Really the self titled Stratovarius album was a low point, this could be even worse.
Not even two the greatest singers from our genre's can save this turd from the garbage bin.
Wow, tough. I really liked the self titled though. At least it had some character unlike the shit Tolkki has been serving out.
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That can't be a serious review.
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That can't be a serious review.
Dunno what to say man.
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Funnily enough the folks on the melodic rock sites seem to be lapping it up for the most part.
Metal Temple gave it 10 out of 10 and claimed it a masterpiece.
https://www.metal-temple.com/site/catalogues/entry/reviews/cd_3/a_2/allen-lande-the.htm
Saying that, the reviewers favourite song is Edge of Thorns. He didn't mention the similarities though, and he called the song Lady of Winter lol.
I gave The Great Divide a chance...
To me it sounds like prime Stratovarius (that horrible self titled album) leftovers.
The riffs and even some of the vocal melodies are right up Kotipelto's path.
I can even picture him singing this stuff.
Really the self titled Stratovarius album was a low point, this could be even worse.
Not even two the greatest singers from our genre's can save this turd from the garbage bin.
Wow, tough. I really liked the self titled though. At least it had some character unlike the shit Tolkki has been serving out.
That's exactly it. No character. Cliched, generic. Boring... too generic to be rubbish.
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I'll still buy it tommorow, but it sounds like it will be a listen then shelf it
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I'll still buy it tommorow, but it sounds like it will be a listen then shelf it
I'd listen first jj. Buying it only encourages them to use him again :)
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Most reviewers with bigger connections tend to overrate stuff because they want to continue to get free promos, which is why I tend to be wary of most reviews, and why I tend to be more critical because I want to be seen as a straight shooter and not a shill.
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Most reviewers with bigger connections tend to overrate stuff because they want to continue to get free promos, which is why I tend to be wary of most reviews, and why I tend to be more critical because I want to be seen as a straight shooter and not a shill.
Well, I totally agree with your point, yet overrate stuff a bit is one thing, and that Metal Temple review is frankly ridiculous.
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Wolfking:
I'm a big fan of Tolkki, but by his own high standards, whether it be his illness or medication side effects, his output of the
last few years has been nowhere near that of his previous best.
The Stratovarius album from 2005 was a complete disaster, style wise and all the shit that was flying around with it.
He did redeem himself with the Revolution Renaissance album, even the demo with Kotipleto singing (which are around, or were) sound amazing
and would have made a classic Strato album.
Maybe he's out of ideas, I don't know but his recent output has been poor, I've heard a couple of Avalon songs, and it wasn't good.
Maybe it's Frontiers? Could they be restricting his talents with low budgets?
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Wolfking:
I'm a big fan of Tolkki, but by his own high standards, whether it be his illness or medication side effects, his output of the
last few years has been nowhere near that of his previous best.
The Stratovarius album from 2005 was a complete disaster, style wise and all the shit that was flying around with it.
He did redeem himself with the Revolution Renaissance album, even the demo with Kotipleto singing (which are around, or were) sound amazing
and would have made a classic Strato album.
Maybe he's out of ideas, I don't know but his recent output has been poor, I've heard a couple of Avalon songs, and it wasn't good.
Maybe it's Frontiers? Could they be restricting his talents with low budgets?
Hey man, I do agree with you, what he's done lately is just rubbish, but as I said, I liked the self titled quite a lot. I can see why others hated it, but it has a certain charm IMO and most of the songs are solid.
The first RR was fabulous and an album I always enjoy listening too, but the next two RR albums are shit. It's definitely not Frontiers fault, it's just Tolkki who can't write a decent and original song anymore.
I'll still buy it tommorow, but it sounds like it will be a listen then shelf it
I'd listen first jj. Buying it only encourages them to use him again :)
Exactly why I am not purchasing the album.
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The Allen/Lande Facebook page asked for peoples' opinions on the new album, and while there are a few naysayers, it's otherwise overwhelmingly positive. :\
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I just read the Facebook and i'd say there's at least as many against it. Some pretty funny comments , but mostly just rehasing our DTF material ;D
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Yeah, the opinions seem pretty split down the middle. One guy though says it's best Allen/Lande album? Bloody hell!?
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I'm listening now and am up to Dream About Tomorrow, which the rhythm is pretty much an exact copy of RR's We Are Magic.
I know I'm biased against this, but this is a piece of shit. Every song is unoriginal, exactly the same and so damn simplistic. The music for Down From the Mountain and In the Hands of Time are the damn fucking same. Solid Ground was painful and so damn boring. The best song so far is in fact Edge of Thorns. And funnily enough the only one that doesn't sound like the others. Man, Savatage are a great band lol.
As I type I'm listening to Hymn to the Fallen which is actually a bit better and actually has not a bad vibe and atmosphere to it.
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Not much to report for the last few tracks. So damn disappointing.
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Yeah, the opinions seem pretty split down the middle. One guy though says it's best Allen/Lande album? Bloody hell!?
He must have bought it and he's trying to convince himself he hasn't just wasted some beer money :lol
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Yeah, the opinions seem pretty split down the middle. One guy though says it's best Allen/Lande album? Bloody hell!?
He must have bought it and he's trying to convince himself he hasn't just wasted some beer money :lol
True that.
Seriously, compared to the first three masterpieces, this album is just a joke and does not stand up to any of then in any way. The Showdown was by far the weakest of the three and even that is a work of art compared to this junk. I'd still say the best song on the album by far is Edge of Thorns.
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I can just review this one with one word- "meh".
Its average/ok, but not terrible. Clearly the worst of the four.
Edge of Thorns is a great song though.
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I can just review this one with one word- "meh".
Its average/ok, but not terrible. Clearly the worst of the four.
Edge of Thorns is a great song though.
Probably the only song worth replaying.
I wouldn't say it's terrible either, but compared to the first 3, it's an abomination.
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I can just review this one with one word- "meh".
Its average/ok, but not terrible. Clearly the worst of the four.
Edge of Thorns is a great song though.
Exactly how I felt. Not thought to try it again anyway.
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I can just review this one with one word- "meh".
Its average/ok, but not terrible. Clearly the worst of the four.
Edge of Thorns is a great song though.
Exactly how I felt. Not thought to try it again anyway.
Yeah, I still have no urge to listen to it again at all.
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So, I went through my "Watch Later" list on YouTube that's been accumulating for a couple of months, and one of the new Allen/Lande tracks came on before I realized what was happening. Fuck my ears! It was about as dry as a popcorn fart. I had to do an immediate cleanse by listening to the entire original trilogy.
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Damn, I forgot this existed. Thanks assholes.
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It really is that bad. I decided to have a second listen in the car a few weeks ago and ended up skipping through most of it. Most unoriginal, repetivitve, boring pile of shit I've heard for a while.
I hope Frontiers learn from their mistakes here. The weakest track on any of the first 3 (not that there really is anything weak) is better quality than this entire album.
Also, why the fuck is the title track a Jorn only song? The duets of the Battle, then the Revenge and then the Showdown was such a cool little concept connecting the albums and then Tolkki of course shits all over it.
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Also, why the fuck is the title track a Jorn only song? The duets of the Battle, then the Revenge and then the Showdown was such a cool little concept connecting the albums and then Tolkki of course shits all over it.
Because it's a 'great divide'. I'm starting to see another meaning in here.... the quality between MK's albums, and TT's is also a 'great divide'.
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Also, why the fuck is the title track a Jorn only song? The duets of the Battle, then the Revenge and then the Showdown was such a cool little concept connecting the albums and then Tolkki of course shits all over it.
Because it's a 'great divide'. I'm starting to see another meaning in here.... the quality between MK's albums, and TT's is also a 'great divide'.
This is correct, yet still a massive understatement.
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Also, why the fuck is the title track a Jorn only song? The duets of the Battle, then the Revenge and then the Showdown was such a cool little concept connecting the albums and then Tolkki of course shits all over it.
Because it's a 'great divide'. I'm starting to see another meaning in here.... the quality between MK's albums, and TT's is also a 'great divide'.
This is correct, yet still a massive understatement.
Like the divide between Earth and the end of the universe.
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Also, why the fuck is the title track a Jorn only song? The duets of the Battle, then the Revenge and then the Showdown was such a cool little concept connecting the albums and then Tolkki of course shits all over it.
Because it's a 'great divide'. I'm starting to see another meaning in here.... the quality between MK's albums, and TT's is also a 'great divide'.
This is correct, yet still a massive understatement.
Like the divide between Earth and the end of the universe.
Keep going.
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Not sure if this is the 'official' Allen/Lande thread. It's not listed in the stickied Index of Artists thread. Anyway, gave them a listen based off of seeing them ranked fairly high on jingle.boy's artist listings. Been liking what I am hearing so far. Been listening to lots of great new (to me) stuff lately, based on dtf.org recommendations and my roulette, but Allen/Lande is standing out for some reason. The material seems less same-y, for lack of a better word, compared to the other bands, which, while all great, don't do anything to really set them apart for me.
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Fuck, I saw this thread resurrected and thought maybe there's a new Tolkki-less Allen/Lande in the works.
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Fuck, I saw this thread resurrected and thought maybe there's a new Tolkki-less Allen/Lande in the works.
this makes me (https://i.imgur.com/wHa3dNC.gif) and not because of your post but because of how far the mighty Tolkki has fallen
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Ha! Sorry about that, I hate it when something like that happens to me. I am just late to this party and wanted to chime and say this is great stuff I am hearing.
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@ Ruslan... my exact thoughts too. At first I was :caffeine:, then I was like :|
Ha! Sorry about that, I hate it when something like that happens to me. I am just late to this party and wanted to chime and say this is great stuff I am hearing.
Stick to the first three albums - all written by Magnus Karlsson. If you like Allen/Lande, you'll probably like any/everything written by Magnus, and the lot of us here can make plenty of recommendations.
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I recall someone sent in a Magnus song to my roulette that scored well, so he is on my radar. Then I go to Wiki him, I see his discography lists 17 bands/projects, 3 of which have more than 2 releases, and Mike Portnoy says "Dude, I think you are involved in to many projects."
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I recall someone sent in a Magnus song to my roulette that scored well, so he is on my radar. Then I go to Wiki him, I see his discography lists 17 bands/projects, 3 of which have more than 2 releases, and Mike Portnoy says "Dude, I think you are involved in to many projects."
You're welcome. Not My Saviour is a go-to roulette submission of mine.
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I recall someone sent in a Magnus song to my roulette that scored well, so he is on my radar. Then I go to Wiki him, I see his discography lists 17 bands/projects, 3 of which have more than 2 releases, and Mike Portnoy says "Dude, I think you are involved in to many projects."
:lol :lol
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Fuck, I saw this thread resurrected and thought maybe there's a new Tolkki-less Allen/Lande in the works.
Fucking this. :'(
First two are classic. Third one is very good too. Fourth one is crap and shouldn't have the Allen/Lande name on it.
First two are Magnus at his peak.