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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4830 on: July 01, 2014, 02:34:57 PM »
I think Wither is the best song on BC&SL.

I also think that Vacant is the best song on TOT.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4831 on: July 01, 2014, 02:38:38 PM »
Possibly JLB can be DT's best lyricst, if not, second best behind Kevin Moore.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4832 on: July 01, 2014, 02:56:32 PM »
I'd like Wither more if that Queen solo rip off wasn't in it. I've come to like Just Let Me Breathe more, but the Queen melody is glaringly obvious and sort of distracting.

Nothing against Queen, although I'm not a fan, but things like that bother me.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4833 on: July 01, 2014, 03:35:16 PM »
Quote from: SeRoX on July 01, 2014, 02:38:38 PM
Possibly JLB can be DT's best lyricst, if not, second best behind Kevin Moore.
I like his lyrics second best behind Kevin's, too. If we pitted X number of JP's very best lyrics against the total X number of JLB's lyrics, JP would be better, but not by too much. JLB's worst is way better than JP's worst, though, and his highs are a little higher; it's just that anyone who doesn't have a natural knack for lyrics is gonna write some duds when he's a band's main writer, so I imagine JLB would only do marginally better than JP in his situation. And JMX has done pretty well, but we only got to see his very gems.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4834 on: July 01, 2014, 03:48:46 PM »
I love Just Let Me Breathe  :xbones

Then again, not too familiar with Queen
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4835 on: July 01, 2014, 07:01:02 PM »
Quote from: SeRoX on July 01, 2014, 02:38:38 PM
Possibly JLB can be DT's best lyricst, if not, second best behind Kevin Moore.
My opinion is, from what we've seen he is pretty good. But he does not really contibute enough to tell, plus he has a seriously bad lyric under his belt (Profits of War).
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4836 on: July 01, 2014, 09:35:14 PM »
Quote from: Nearmyth on July 01, 2014, 03:48:46 PM
I love Just Let Me Breathe  :xbones

Then again, not too familiar with Queen

JLMB is awesome. That's the song that got me into FII, which is now one of my top DT albums. And the Queen-ish solo in Wither is a high point. It's not a rip off.

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I think Wither is the best song on BC&SL.

I also think that Vacant is the best song on TOT.

I wouldn't quite call either one the best of their respect albums, but they're both great songs. I'd rank Wither around the middle of BCASL, and Vacant maybe about 3rd, but I rank Vacant very highly overall. Hugely underrated song!
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4837 on: July 01, 2014, 09:51:40 PM »
Uh, yeah it is. I made a video, remember?!

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« Reply #4838 on: July 01, 2014, 11:09:56 PM »
Blob's made videos about elephants walking through hospitals and ants on highways. What's your point?


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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4839 on: July 01, 2014, 11:11:59 PM »
I think Wither is one of the more consistent tracks on the album. It's not amazing by any means, but it doesn't really have any sections that bring it down, the way ANTR, AROP, TBOT or TCOT do. TSF is awesome all the way through though, and my favorite on the album!  :tup
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4840 on: July 02, 2014, 03:21:48 AM »
Quote from: Zook on July 01, 2014, 02:56:32 PM
I'd like Wither more if that Queen solo rip off wasn't in it. I've come to like Just Let Me Breathe more, but the Queen melody is glaringly obvious and sort of distracting.

Nothing against Queen, although I'm not a fan, but things like that bother me.

I'm probably one of the biggest Queen fans on this board, and I have no idea what JLMB melody is similar to any Queen song. It never struck me. I'm curious to know what Queen song it sounds familiar to. Not flaming. Genuine curiosity.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4841 on: July 02, 2014, 03:27:20 AM »
Bohemian Rhapsody, the "spit in my eye" part.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4842 on: July 02, 2014, 05:25:34 AM »
I'd never noticed any resemblance between the two before despite being very familiar with both songs. I didn't even realize you meant JLMB as having a Queen similarity too. I thought that was just about the Wither solo, which is instantly noticeable.

After pointing it out, I can tell the part you mean though, because there is that melodic run of the same notes and rhythm there, but imo there's no similarity of vibe or hint of intent to intentionally emulate Queen as I believe to be the case with the Wither solo, so I think that's just coincidence.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4843 on: July 02, 2014, 11:25:32 AM »
I knew that sounded familiar.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4844 on: July 02, 2014, 12:41:57 PM »
After all these years (fan since '92) of thinking that ACOS was my favorite DT song, I've recently realized that Trial of Tears surpasses it on every level (in my opinion of course).

Trial of Tears is my favorite DT song... on my second favorite album.  When I think of DT, I immediately think of this song...
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4845 on: July 02, 2014, 01:16:52 PM »
You, sir, have a mighty fine taste and the same favourite two DT songs as I have. :hifive:
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4846 on: July 02, 2014, 02:18:55 PM »
Quote from: vtgrad on July 02, 2014, 12:41:57 PM
After all these years (fan since '92) of thinking that ACOS was my favorite DT song, I've recently realized that Trial of Tears surpasses it on every level (in my opinion of course).

Trial of Tears is my favorite DT song... on my second favorite album.  When I think of DT, I immediately think of this song...
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4847 on: July 02, 2014, 03:13:15 PM »
Quote from: puppyonacid on July 02, 2014, 03:21:48 AM
I'm probably one of the biggest Queen fans on this board, and I have no idea what JLMB melody is similar to any Queen song. It never struck me. I'm curious to know what Queen song it sounds familiar to. Not flaming. Genuine curiosity.

Stylistically, that solo is very reminiscent of Brian May. But if you ask me, that just makes Wither more awesome.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4848 on: July 02, 2014, 03:24:03 PM »
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Quote from: SeRoX on July 01, 2014, 02:38:38 PM
Possibly JLB can be DT's best lyricst, if not, second best behind Kevin Moore.
My opinion is, from what we've seen he is pretty good. But he does not really contibute enough to tell, plus he has a seriously bad lyric under his belt (Profits of War).

How are PoW's lyrics bad? I'm curious.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4849 on: July 02, 2014, 03:35:14 PM »
They're just ... clunky. The topic the lyrics are about is/was controversial, to say the least. To navigate such a topic in lyrics takes subtlety and finesse. The PoW lyrics do not have that. Same with the The Great Debate lyrics. Tough topic, and the lyrics are just clunky (and in that case actually downright bad).
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4850 on: July 02, 2014, 03:48:31 PM »
The lyrics in TGD don't bother me, and TGD is awesome anyway. Can't say the same for POW.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4851 on: July 02, 2014, 03:52:46 PM »
POW is a better song than TGD.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4852 on: July 02, 2014, 03:54:33 PM »
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POW is a better song than TGD.

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« Reply #4853 on: July 02, 2014, 04:09:26 PM »
Quote from: Zook on July 02, 2014, 03:54:33 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 02, 2014, 03:52:46 PM
POW is a better song than TGD.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4855 on: July 02, 2014, 05:39:01 PM »
Quote from: Zook on July 02, 2014, 03:54:33 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 02, 2014, 03:52:46 PM
POW is a better song than TGD.

Lay off the drugs.

I think he's probably right. TGD has a lot of good sections doesn't go much of anywhere. It's a decent listen, but there are no highlights really that I look forward to. Prophets of War has its flaws, but it's also a fun romp that knows where its going for all 6 minutes. It also brings in a bunch of different influences and experiments and does so quite well.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4856 on: July 02, 2014, 05:41:48 PM »
Quote from: 425 on July 02, 2014, 05:39:01 PM
Quote from: Zook on July 02, 2014, 03:54:33 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 02, 2014, 03:52:46 PM
POW is a better song than TGD.

Lay off the drugs.

I think he's probably right. TGD has a lot of good sections doesn't go much of anywhere. It's a decent listen, but there are no highlights really that I look forward to. Prophets of War has its flaws, but it's also a fun romp that knows where its going for all 6 minutes. It also brings in a bunch of different influences and experiments and does so quite well.

I disagree.
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« Reply #4857 on: July 02, 2014, 05:47:18 PM »
Okay.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4858 on: July 02, 2014, 08:45:29 PM »
Nice discussion guys. :xbones
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« Reply #4860 on: July 03, 2014, 01:18:30 AM »
More opinions:

They should do at least one album where Myung writes most if not all of the lyrics. MP was never the greatest lyricist, but JP is much worse. I like a lot of JPs lyrics, but a lot of them are also very bad. I always like the themes he writes about, but the execution is not so good a lot of the time. On Awake MP wrote some great lyrics.

Awake is DTs least DT-ish album, but also their best.

I'd much rather Kevin Moore be in the band over JR.

DT need not be afraid of writing songs like Misunderstood. I feel that song is very, you know, misunderstood....;p

FIF is like Awake but without the hard edge, and also nowhere near as good
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4861 on: July 03, 2014, 01:46:36 AM »
Quote from: 425 on July 02, 2014, 05:39:01 PM
I think he's probably right. TGD has a lot of good sections doesn't go much of anywhere. It's a decent listen, but there are no highlights really that I look forward to. Prophets of War has its flaws, but it's also a fun romp that knows where its going for all 6 minutes. It also brings in a bunch of different influences and experiments and does so quite well.

Totally this. TGD is alright but has never seemed memorable to me, whereas PoW is just a great rock out tune.
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« Reply #4862 on: July 03, 2014, 02:35:01 AM »
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 02, 2014, 03:52:46 PM
POW is a better song than TGD.

I 100% agree with this statement in no way whatsoever  :P
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4863 on: July 03, 2014, 04:50:31 AM »
Quote from: NotePad on July 03, 2014, 01:18:30 AM
Awake is DTs least DT-ish album.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4864 on: July 03, 2014, 05:35:55 AM »
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on July 03, 2014, 04:50:31 AM
Quote from: NotePad on July 03, 2014, 01:18:30 AM
Awake is DTs least DT-ish album.
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Their least DT-ish is either Falling into Infinity or WDADU.
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