Your Controversial Opinions on DT

[hefdaddy42]

Cut I&W songs > Uncut

I don't know what this means.

[fibreoptix]

Cut I&W songs > Uncut

I don't know what this means.

It means the songs that were cut from Images are better than the ones that made it onto the album.

[Grizz]

yup

[hefdaddy42]

There were no songs cut from I&W.  By the time the recording sessions started, they knew what songs would be on it.  The producer felt that ACOS would be too much, and the band decided to go with the more newly-written Surrounded and Another Day in favor of older songs To Live Forever and Don't Look Past Me.  But the decision was made before going into the studio.

I think it was definitely the right decision.  But your opinion is definitely controversial, so kudos.

[Jaffa]

I would trade Another Day for To Live Forever in a heartbeat, but I wouldn't trade Surrounded for Don't Look Past Me. 

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

I would trade Another Day for To Live Forever in a heartbeat, but I wouldn't trade Surrounded for Don't Look Past Me.

heart=broken

[TheGreatPretender]

I would trade Another Day for To Live Forever in a heartbeat, but I wouldn't trade Surrounded for Don't Look Past Me.

I'd sacrifice Take The Time for To Live Forever. But yeah, I wouldn't sacrifice Surrounded for anything.

[Jaffa]

I would trade Another Day for To Live Forever in a heartbeat, but I wouldn't trade Surrounded for Don't Look Past Me.

heart=broken

Nothing against Another Day.  I just really, really love To Live Forever.  It's a top 15 DT song for me, maybe even top 10. 

I'd sacrifice Take The Time for To Live Forever. But yeah, I wouldn't sacrifice Surrounded for anything.

Take the Time is quite possibly my favorite song ever, so.     But we agree on Surrounded, anyway!

[fllnsprrw]

those "cut" IAW songs were cut for a reason....i don't get what you guys see in those songs. I can't get into them at all.

[TheGreatPretender]

those "cut" IAW songs were cut for a reason....i don't get what you guys see in those songs. I can't get into them at all.

Especially A Change Of Seasons, right?

[Dark Castle]

those "cut" IAW songs were cut for a reason....i don't get what you guys see in those songs. I can't get into them at all.

Especially A Change Of Seasons, right?

A Change of Seasons go it's own official release 

Images & Words is perfection. IMO IMHO

[TheGreatPretender]

A Change of Seasons go it's own official release 

So did To Live Forever, on the Greatest Hit compilation.

[Dark Castle]

A Change of Seasons go it's own official release 

So did To Live Forever, on the Greatest Hit compilation.

If your point is that it's on a Greatest Hits cd therefore saying it's one of their best, that doesn't really mean anything.
If your point is that it's only on the Greatest Hits cd, well at least it's still there.

[TheGreatPretender]

If your point is that it's on a Greatest Hits cd therefore saying it's one of their best, that doesn't really mean anything.
If your point is that it's only on the Greatest Hits cd, well at least it's still there.

My point is that those songs were cut from I&W not because they're bad songs or don't live up to the rest, but because they could only have a certain amount of songs, and a certain album length.

[Dark Castle]

If your point is that it's on a Greatest Hits cd therefore saying it's one of their best, that doesn't really mean anything.
If your point is that it's only on the Greatest Hits cd, well at least it's still there.

My point is that those songs were cut from I&W not because they're bad songs or don't live up to the rest, but because they could only have a certain amount of songs, and a certain album length.

It's definitely not that, seeing as I&W is 57 minutes, I think it's more they wanted to cut the fat off, and make a lean as fuck steak.

[TheGreatPretender]

It's definitely not that, seeing as I&W is 57 minutes, I think it's more they wanted to cut the fat off, and make a lean as fuck steak.

Well, it's a matter of decisions. They had to cut a lot of songs out of Falling Into Infinity too, and personally, I thought they cut two songs that were better than the vast majority of what ended up on the album. So just because they had to make a decision and cut certain songs out, doesn't say anything about the quality of those songs.

[aprilethereal]

I don't think ACOS is their best "epic", but I&W would be incredible if it was something like this:

1. A Change Of Seasons
2. Metropolis
3. Under A Glass Moon
4. Wait For Sleep
5. Learning To Live

Gotta do that playlist now

[TheGreatPretender]

Yeah, but then they would've never had their greatest hit.

[Enlil36]

3. Under A Glass Moon

I think UAGM is the worst song on I&W so I don't agree completely.

[serrano]

I think I&W is perfect the way it is, on the other side (and here is the controversial opinion) i would like to have ACOS with a better drum sound, i prefer the triggered drum sound on I&W to the extreme rough sound of ACOS, specially the snare. As MP stated, this was Prater overcompensating for I&W.

[Estiui]

I&W is just perfect. I love ACOS, but I wouldn't have included it into I&W. And if I had to include ACOS, I'd cut PMU, AD and WFS if necessary (I love them though), but never Surrounded or TTT.

[TheGreatPretender]

I'm wondering how the final version of ACOS would have ended up with Kevin in the band. I mean, the instrumental breakdown and the keyboard solo. I wonder if he would have done something a bit more interesting and melodic with it than DS did.

[425]

Keep in mind that if you had ACOS on Images and Words, it would have been the 1990 version of that song, which is quite different from the version that was on the ACOS EP. Those of you who haven't heard it may want to listen to that version before you start writing IAW/ACOS fanfiction. You might wind up being glad they took the time on that song and wound up vastly improving it (IMO).

[TheGreatPretender]

Yeah, but there's nothing to say that  they couldn't have improved it during the I&W studio sessions.

[BlobVanDam]

I don't think ACOS is their best "epic", but I&W would be incredible if it was something like this:

1. A Change Of Seasons
2. Metropolis
3. Under A Glass Moon
4. Wait For Sleep
5. Learning To Live

Gotta do that playlist now

That would actually be significantly worse to me. It's missing my favourite song from the album (TTT), and I don't like LTL or ACOS that much, and I especially don't like the earlier version of ACOS as it would likely have appeared on IaW.

[hefdaddy42]

Yeah, but there's nothing to say that  they couldn't have improved it during the I&W studio sessions.

They wouldn't have.  It was already "ready to go."  The only reason it was ever redone is because it was finally getting a release on EP and they wanted to rework it with Derek.

[TheGreatPretender]

Seriously? The performance I heard of it, really made it sound like a 'work in progress' type of deal. It had some interesting ideas, but the vocal melodies seemed mostly improvised, as well as some of the other aspects of it as well.

[Dark Castle]

I could personally not remove anything from I&W, every song feels exactly right in place and songs like UAGM have some of my favorite playing from Petrucci, and of course James sounds like an angel of RAAAWWWWK.

And then there's the opening of TTT, which my friend and I would try to emulate while driving around town at like 2 am.


"COME ON WAIT A MINUTE, JUST LET ME CATCH MY BREATH"

Yeah, the album just has a lot of personal connection to it, I couldn't imagine taking anything out or adding anything in.


Now if you want something Controversial that you haven't heard from me before, while I acknowledge SDoIT as being one of their best, I just can't get myself to listen to it very often, even more so than Scenes, it's just a very tough album for me to get through, I just start thinking of other DT albums when listening to it.

[Whatsername]

Now if you want something Controversial that you haven't heard from me before, while I acknowledge SDoIT as being one of their best, I just can't get myself to listen to it very often, even more so than Scenes, it's just a very tough album for me to get through, I just start thinking of other DT albums when listening to it.

Flip those two around and that's me. I can't get myself to listen to Scenes much.

[TheGreatPretender]

Flip those two around and that's me. I can't get myself to listen to Scenes much.

 

[Dark Castle]

Flip those two around and that's me. I can't get myself to listen to Scenes much.

 

She's not saying it's a bad album...she's just saying she has a hard time getting through it. 

[Whatsername]

Flip those two around and that's me. I can't get myself to listen to Scenes much.

 

She's not saying it's a bad album...she's just saying she has a hard time getting through it. 

This. It's a fantastic album but not the easiest to listen to.

[TheGreatPretender]

Well, that's still sad.

[wasteland]

Well, I definitely agree. It's always been hard to me to get through Beyond This Life and Home. I recently listened to the whole deal while studying, but it was the first time in more than a year.

[TheGreatPretender]

Well, I guess I sort of understand. But for me, that's the case with SDOIT. It's kind of a chore for me to get through it, especially the title song. But that's the furthest from the case for SFAM.