2017 NFL thread v. Patriots Dynasty

[jingle.boy]

I think deactivating him for Sunday's game is going to be the extent of his punishment, unless he does something else dumb.

Which is so unlikely!   

[mikeyd23]

I think deactivating him for Sunday's game is going to be the extent of his punishment, unless he does something else dumb.

Which is so unlikely!   

  True story.

[King Postwhore]

Hightower out for the season with a torn pectoral muscle.  Not good at all.

[PowerSlave]

I think deactivating him for Sunday's game is going to be the extent of his punishment, unless he does something else dumb.

Which is so unlikely!   

  True story.

I give him 'til Thanksgiving.

[mikeyd23]

I think deactivating him for Sunday's game is going to be the extent of his punishment, unless he does something else dumb.

Which is so unlikely!   

  True story.

I give him 'til Thanksgiving.

Generous.

[KevShmev]

No doubt, but I'd still put bets on the rule not the exception, and if we use history as our guide, the rule is that in meaningful games, Belichick teams beat Tomlin teams. Obviously, anyone can beat anyone else any given week, etc...etc... but in this instance, I'll believe it when I see it.

Understandable.  The Steelers have basically been the Patriots whipping boy since 2001 (with the exception of two games, I think).  Sometimes, one team just has another team's number.

[King Postwhore]

And that would be the Ravens for the Pats.

[PowerSlave]

I was going to mention how the entire league has the Brown's number, but low hanging fruit isn't that snarky...

[PowerSlave]

In other news, someone just asked Flacco if he knows what his name is, and his answer was "Batman".

That was a nasty shot.

[El Barto]

Yeah, he's in Henrietta right now. I liked how he raised his finger like he had something to say and just sort of stayed there. 

In the end, it's pretty meaningless now. Unlike Romo, I don't see a comeback happening here. 

[DragonAttack]

^
Had that happened to Brady, the officials would have forfeited the game to the Pats on the spot.

Flacco was sliding, not diving.   A  bush league play no matter what QB it happened to.

[El Barto]

It was the right call. It was a penalty and it wasn't flagrant. He was certainly trying to slide, hence the penalty, but he pushed it to the very limit trying to get the first down.

[El Barto]

Now this, on the other hand, constitutes flagrant in my book. 

[Ben_Jamin]

Suh?....

[black_biff_stadler]

How out of character.

[TheCountOfNYC]

Now this, on the other hand, constitutes flagrant in my book. 

How the hell has he not been banned from the league yet? Such a disgusting player.

[mikeyd23]

How out of character.

  For real.

[cramx3]

I didn't watch last night but that happened?  WTF, get this guy out of the league.  As if the NFL didn't have enough going on to turn people off, that to me, that's really high on the list since we, the fans, are watching this happen.  Unlike lots of the off the field stuff we dont see, when you see someone getting choked on the field, that's really fucked up. 

[Stadler]

No doubt, but I'd still put bets on the rule not the exception, and if we use history as our guide, the rule is that in meaningful games, Belichick teams beat Tomlin teams. Obviously, anyone can beat anyone else any given week, etc...etc... but in this instance, I'll believe it when I see it.

Understandable.  The Steelers have basically been the Patriots whipping boy since 2001 (with the exception of two games, I think).  Sometimes, one team just has another team's number.

One thing that sets Belichick apart is that he can play any game.  Pats need to score 50 to win?  They will, 12 times out of 16, score 51.   They need to limit the other team to under 14 point to win?  They will, 11 times out of 16, hold the other team to 13.   They need to be a precise, unemotional machine to win?   You get the point.   

Tomlin is an emotional coach.   He needs that "us versus them", gang mentality to win, and it's a double-edged sword.  You get a couple quarters where your "emotion" doesn't translate into points on the board and it gets harder to maintain.   Belichick is a master at overcoming that. 

As for Suh, he needs to go.  I'm not sure why teams are willing to pay a guy like that.  Same with that guy from Cincinnati.  Bur-whatever.

Is that Flacco "Batman" story true?  If so, and while I feel for him and hope he's not seriously injured, that's a hell of a line. 

[v_clortho]

No doubt, but I'd still put bets on the rule not the exception, and if we use history as our guide, the rule is that in meaningful games, Belichick teams beat Tomlin teams. Obviously, anyone can beat anyone else any given week, etc...etc... but in this instance, I'll believe it when I see it.

Understandable.  The Steelers have basically been the Patriots whipping boy since 2001 (with the exception of two games, I think).  Sometimes, one team just has another team's number.

One thing that sets Belichick apart is that he can play any game.  Pats need to score 50 to win?  They will, 12 times out of 16, score 51.   They need to limit the other team to under 14 point to win?  They will, 11 times out of 16, hold the other team to 13.   They need to be a precise, unemotional machine to win?   You get the point.   

Tomlin is an emotional coach.   He needs that "us versus them", gang mentality to win, and it's a double-edged sword.  You get a couple quarters where your "emotion" doesn't translate into points on the board and it gets harder to maintain.   Belichick is a master at overcoming that. 

As for Suh, he needs to go.  I'm not sure why teams are willing to pay a guy like that.  Same with that guy from Cincinnati.  Bur-whatever.

Is that Flacco "Batman" story true?  If so, and while I feel for him and hope he's not seriously injured, that's a hell of a line. 

The "Batman" line if from a commercial.

[kaos2900]

I have soft spot for Suh since I'm a Nebraska fan and he's donated a ton of money to the program, but yeah he went over the line again. Mallet must have big pair of balls to get in his face like he did.

Also, I really like Tony Romo. His honesty and ability call spade a spade is really entertaining.

[mikeyd23]

Tomlin is an emotional coach.   He needs that "us versus them", gang mentality to win, and it's a double-edged sword.  You get a couple quarters where your "emotion" doesn't translate into points on the board and it gets harder to maintain.   Belichick is a master at overcoming that. 

That is spot-on analysis.

Also, I really like Tony Romo. His honesty and ability call spade a spade is really entertaining.

Speaking of spot-on analysis, Romo has without question become my favorite NFL TV color guy. His insight is interesting, timely, and refreshing. Good for him, seriously.

[Dublagent66]

Yeah, Nance and Romo are pretty good.  Enjoyable commentary and analysis.   

[Stadler]

Maybe it's because I despise Nance, but I haven't warmed to Romo yet.  I actually liked Phil Simms, so for me, so far, it's not a trade up. 

[DanLore]

No doubt, but I'd still put bets on the rule not the exception, and if we use history as our guide, the rule is that in meaningful games, Belichick teams beat Tomlin teams. Obviously, anyone can beat anyone else any given week, etc...etc... but in this instance, I'll believe it when I see it.

Understandable.  The Steelers have basically been the Patriots whipping boy since 2001 (with the exception of two games, I think).  Sometimes, one team just has another team's number.

One thing that sets Belichick apart is that he can play any game.  Pats need to score 50 to win?  They will, 12 times out of 16, score 51.   They need to limit the other team to under 14 point to win?  They will, 11 times out of 16, hold the other team to 13.   They need to be a precise, unemotional machine to win?   You get the point.   

Tomlin is an emotional coach.   He needs that "us versus them", gang mentality to win, and it's a double-edged sword.  You get a couple quarters where your "emotion" doesn't translate into points on the board and it gets harder to maintain.   Belichick is a master at overcoming that. 

As for Suh, he needs to go.  I'm not sure why teams are willing to pay a guy like that.  Same with that guy from Cincinnati.  Bur-whatever.

Is that Flacco "Batman" story true?  If so, and while I feel for him and hope he's not seriously injured, that's a hell of a line. 

Agreed on the emotional aspect Stads, but there is more to it.  The Steelers biggest issue in the past (especially with the Pats) is in-game adjustments on defense.  They have a game plan, and stick to it no matter what.  Brady picks them apart, and they continue to play zone against him with no pressure.  Next game against the Pats, same thing with the same result.  It has been painful to watch over the years.

This year, they are finally making adjustments defensively as shown this past weekend.  The Bengals moved on them in the first half, then the Steelers put the hammer down.  No points, 20 something yards and one first down in the second half.  Yes, it was the Bengals, but its progress.  Stafford and Brady will test their resolve in upcoming games, so the jury is still out with me on if the defense is truly worthy of their current ranking.  I sometimes wonder what the Steelers would look like with Belichick as their coach.  Straight X's & O's, do your job, make adjustments from play to play.  He would have been good for at least two more Super Bowls;-)

DanLore

[mikeyd23]

Agreed on the emotional aspect Stads, but there is more to it.  The Steelers biggest issue in the past (especially with the Pats) is in-game adjustments on defense.  They have a game plan, and stick to it no matter what.  Brady picks them apart, and they continue to play zone against him with no pressure.  Next game against the Pats, same thing with the same result.  It has been painful to watch over the years.

This year, they are finally making adjustments defensively as shown this past weekend.  The Bengals moved on them in the first half, then the Steelers put the hammer down.  No points, 20 something yards and one first down in the second half.  Yes, it was the Bengals, but its progress.  Stafford and Brady will test their resolve in upcoming games, so the jury is still out with me on if the defense is truly worthy of their current ranking.  I sometimes wonder what the Steelers would look like with Belichick as their coach.  Straight X's & O's, do your job, make adjustments from play to play.  He would have been good for at least two more Super Bowls;-)

DanLore

Good post, I agree. It's also worth noting that for the last several years, the Steelers have not had the personnel in the secondary to make a good adjustment to man-to-man when Brady started picking apart the zone. They seem to have that this year, especially with the addition of Haden. I think this will offer them the flexibility to feel comfortable making those adjustments, they just need to have the proper coaching and preparation to be put in a position to succeed.

[Dublagent66]

Maybe it's because I despise Nance, but I haven't warmed to Romo yet.  I actually liked Phil Simms, so for me, so far, it's not a trade up.

Well, I can see how someone might not prefer Nance, but despise?  He seems to be a pretty likable guy.  I thought Simms was pretty good and knowledgeable, but Romo has a lot more energy and really gets into the game.  I think fans can really appreciate his enthusiasm.

[El Barto]

Maybe it's because I despise Nance, but I haven't warmed to Romo yet.  I actually liked Phil Simms, so for me, so far, it's not a trade up.

Well, I can see how someone might not prefer Nance, but despise?  He seems to be a pretty likable guy.  I thought Simms was pretty good and knowledgeable, but Romo has a lot more energy and really gets into the game.  I think fans can really appreciate his enthusiasm.

A bit too much, IMO. He's annoyed me a couple of times, but I am warming to him.

I was wondering if they keep those guys on a delay, because it's only a matter of time before Romo calls something bullshit or exclaims what the fuck! I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet, assuming it hasn't, but it will.

[Stadler]

Maybe it's because I despise Nance, but I haven't warmed to Romo yet.  I actually liked Phil Simms, so for me, so far, it's not a trade up.

Well, I can see how someone might not prefer Nance, but despise?  He seems to be a pretty likable guy.  I thought Simms was pretty good and knowledgeable, but Romo has a lot more energy and really gets into the game.  I think fans can really appreciate his enthusiasm.

My hatred for him goes back to the 1999 NCAA Championship Game between Duke and UConn, and UConn was leading most of the game, and to hear Nance and Billy Packer talk about it was just... deplorable (can I say that?).  It was never "look at this UConn team!" it was always "well, Duke is going to have to play Duke basketball to get this where it should be" and "Duke this" and "Duke that", as if UConn was upsetting the cosmos by fucking with the order of things.   Even at the end - UConn won 77-74 - it wasn't about the UConn team it was about the Duke team.   It's almost like they were homers rooting for their team and were disappointed when it didn't work out in their favor.    It was an upset, to be sure, but it shouldn't have been that big a surprise to someone that knew about the game and was unbiased.   UConn was like ten point underdogs in the game, but they were a good solid team, number one in the country for about half the season, Big East regular season and tournament champions, and number one seed in the tourney.   

[mikeyd23]

Maybe it's because I despise Nance, but I haven't warmed to Romo yet.  I actually liked Phil Simms, so for me, so far, it's not a trade up.

Well, I can see how someone might not prefer Nance, but despise?  He seems to be a pretty likable guy.  I thought Simms was pretty good and knowledgeable, but Romo has a lot more energy and really gets into the game.  I think fans can really appreciate his enthusiasm.

A bit too much, IMO. He's annoyed me a couple of times, but I am warming to him.

I was wondering if they keep those guys on a delay, because it's only a matter of time before Romo calls something bullshit or exclaims what the fuck! I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet, assuming it hasn't, but it will.

I think there is a delay of some sort, sometimes my phone will let me know of a touchdown being scored before it happens on TV.

[Cool Chris]

My hatred for him goes back to the 1999 NCAA Championship Game between Duke and UConn...

To be fair, Packer was the biggest ACC honk, and would have called a biased game if they played against God, Jesus, Joseph, Mary, and Mother Teresa. Not to mention the general media bias toward Duke (it's there Dukies, quit denying it). I can't recall a game from that long ago, but Nantz never seems too biased in any direction for me.

[El Barto]

Maybe it's because I despise Nance, but I haven't warmed to Romo yet.  I actually liked Phil Simms, so for me, so far, it's not a trade up.

Well, I can see how someone might not prefer Nance, but despise?  He seems to be a pretty likable guy.  I thought Simms was pretty good and knowledgeable, but Romo has a lot more energy and really gets into the game.  I think fans can really appreciate his enthusiasm.

A bit too much, IMO. He's annoyed me a couple of times, but I am warming to him.

I was wondering if they keep those guys on a delay, because it's only a matter of time before Romo calls something bullshit or exclaims what the fuck! I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet, assuming it hasn't, but it will.

I think there is a delay of some sort, sometimes my phone will let me know of a touchdown being scored before it happens on TV.

There are certainly delays with regards to how the broadcast gets to you.  I know there are several seconds between CATV and OTA broadcasts. I stream games via P2P and I'm usually a couple of minutes behind. That's not the same as a broadcast delay, where somebody's got 7 seconds to dump the audio after a drunken Al Michaels says "filthy cunt whore" live on the air. However, now that I think about it, after the tragic events of 2/1/04 I'm pretty sure there's a mandated delay.

NEVER FORGET!

[mikeyd23]

There are certainly delays with regards to how the broadcast gets to you.  I know there are several seconds between CATV and OTA broadcasts. I stream games via P2P and I'm usually a couple of minutes behind. That's not the same as a broadcast delay, where somebody's got 7 seconds to dump the audio after a drunken Al Michaels says "filthy cunt whore" live on the air. However, now that I think about it, after the tragic events of 2/1/04 I'm pretty sure there's a mandated delay.

NEVER FORGET!

JT and JJ halftime show?

[El Barto]

There are certainly delays with regards to how the broadcast gets to you.  I know there are several seconds between CATV and OTA broadcasts. I stream games via P2P and I'm usually a couple of minutes behind. That's not the same as a broadcast delay, where somebody's got 7 seconds to dump the audio after a drunken Al Michaels says "filthy cunt whore" live on the air. However, now that I think about it, after the tragic events of 2/1/04 I'm pretty sure there's a mandated delay.

NEVER FORGET!

JT and JJ halftime show?

That should be etched into your brain. Why do you hate America so much?

[mikeyd23]

There are certainly delays with regards to how the broadcast gets to you.  I know there are several seconds between CATV and OTA broadcasts. I stream games via P2P and I'm usually a couple of minutes behind. That's not the same as a broadcast delay, where somebody's got 7 seconds to dump the audio after a drunken Al Michaels says "filthy cunt whore" live on the air. However, now that I think about it, after the tragic events of 2/1/04 I'm pretty sure there's a mandated delay.

NEVER FORGET!

JT and JJ halftime show?

That should be etched into your brain. Why do you hate America so much?