Behind the Veil

[lovethedrake]

This is completely random but I always revisit DT albums during album cycles.

I am the only that finds Behind the veil insanely underrated?  It's heavy but also melodic, Labrie sounds great, it's one of their more locked in modern instrumental sections and the Petrucci solo is incredible.

I'm not a huge fan of the first verse but after that I think it's a great modern DT tune.

[gzarruk]

Wish we had gotten the Wacken live version with that release.

[Shadowmangini]

Could never much get that song personally but hey enjoy!

[TAC]

Wish we had gotten the Wacken live version with that release.

Yes

[Pebsie]

Man the whole of DT12 is underrated. The Bigger Picture is one of their best songs and Illumination Theory is up there with Octavarium for me. Wish it got more representation live before MM left... but it feels like the trend towards the end of this era was releasing an album, touring it, then forgetting about it.

It's been 7 years since anything from ADTOE, DT12 or TA has been played, and 4 years since anything from DOT has been played. I get that it's tough putting a setlist together that incorporates the classic era stuff and the new stuff and the NEWER stuff, but I wish the MM era represented the MM era more ya know? And now I wonder if we'll ever hear a track from some of these albums again. I guess we'll find out tomorrow!

[Dani Helios]

It's been 7 years since anything from ADTOE, DT12 or TA has been played

Not to be a nitpick, but we did get Bridges in the Sky from ADTOE on the View tour.

I do agree, the DT12 tracks have definitely been underrepresented, broadly. Hope we get at least one track from that record on the tour!

[Pebsie]

Not to be a nitpick, but we did get Bridges in the Sky from ADTOE on the View tour.

I do agree, the DT12 tracks have definitely been underrepresented, broadly. Hope we get at least one track from that record on the tour!

Ah! Right you are, my bad.

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

Yes it's underrated and the entire self titled is VERY underrated. There is not a bad or mediocre song on the record.

As for BTV: I've always thought this song was one chorus away from being a top 20 DT song. I love the introduction, the Metallica influenced introduction and that guitar solo is one of JP's best. The song is concise and packs a punch....its just the hook is a little meh.

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

Just wanted to add one follow up point on DT12 which is that people always say they want the band to try new things and they did on DT12, without sacrificing their core sound. I think a lot of those things went either unnoticed or got drowned out by the relentless focus on the mix which continues to haunt the album. But even the mix was something different for them!

IT dropped a long orchestral part smack in the middle of an epic, you had a focus on very short and concise songs for everything else, and the biggest thing was that they had a new drummer who was given more of a spotlight than he was on ADTOE. Whether you loved it or wanted MP back, the drumming alone separates it from anything we had prior. Lastly songs like TBP aren't groundbreaking but I dunno, it sounded pretty unique in DTs catalog.

[Dedalus]

Just wanted to add one follow up point on DT12 which is that people always say they want the band to try new things and they did on DT12, without sacrificing their core sound. I think a lot of those things went either unnoticed or got drowned out by the relentless focus on the mix which continues to haunt the album. But even the mix was something different for them!

I totally agree. They're not huge changes, they're not huge innovations, nothing too radical, but the album brought a certain freshness that I found very welcome.

[mrpmrpmrpmrp]

Just wanted to add one follow up point on DT12 which is that people always say they want the band to try new things and they did on DT12, without sacrificing their core sound. I think a lot of those things went either unnoticed or got drowned out by the relentless focus on the mix which continues to haunt the album. But even the mix was something different for them!

IT dropped a long orchestral part smack in the middle of an epic, you had a focus on very short and concise songs for everything else, and the biggest thing was that they had a new drummer who was given more of a spotlight than he was on ADTOE. Whether you loved it or wanted MP back, the drumming alone separates it from anything we had prior. Lastly songs like TBP aren't groundbreaking but I dunno, it sounded pretty unique in DTs catalog.

I like this album in no small part because it was the first time I got excited about Mike Mangini's contribution to the band. When the enemy inside was dropped, and I heard that drum intro, I was so excited to hear the rest of the album.

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

I like this album in no small part because it was the first time I got excited about Mike Mangini's contribution to the band. When the enemy inside was dropped, and I heard that drum intro, I was so excited to hear the rest of the album.

Same. Now that you mention it I am actually struggling to think of another DT song prior to Enemy Inside where there is an introduction to a song that is substantially driven by the drums. You have songs like Honor Thy Father that have a quick drum intro. TEI intro sounds pretty unique though. The drums are given a very prominent role until you get the the verse.

[axeman90210]

Behind the Veil is a favorite from the self titled album and maybe at the top of my list of DT songs that I haven't seen live but would like to.

[WilliamMunny]

I like/love most of the songs off of DT12.

That said, I cannot stand the production. It's a 'me' thing, for sure, but I find the album so unpleasant to listen to I have no desire to revisit it except on very rare occasions.

I suspect most Rush fans feel the same way about Vapor Trails (which is odd, bc I actually don't mind the production on that album).

[Max Kuehnau]

yeah the CD mastering is horrible (as with Dramatic Turn, both of them compressed to hell and back). The 24 bit version is brilliant though. (as with Dramatic Turn again) Well worth buying. You'll love DT12 even more once you started listening to it. I did too.

[hunnus2000]

yeah the CD mastering is horrible (as with Dramatic Turn, both of them compressed to hell and back). The 24 bit version is brilliant though. (as with Dramatic Turn again) Well worth buying. You'll love DT12 even more once you started listening to it. I did too.

Really? Where can I get this?

As far as BTV, I love this song for reasons that others have noted but I am on record in saying that this is one of the songs I would play for people new to DT.

Also, regarding the intro to Enemy, I always interpreted this as a fire fight.

[Max Kuehnau]

I presume you live in America or Canada. Check www.prostudiomasters.com or www.hdtracks.com Both should have them.
And yes, it's true, I have both of them in 24 bit. Made me love what are two of my three favourite DT albums even more. I will never go back to their CD counterparts again. Ever. (The same applies to The 2nd Law by Muse as another example btw, and I wouldn't lie to anyone, since I can't and people would notice anyway at some point)

[hunnus2000]

I presume you live in America or Canada. Check www.prostudiomasters.com or www.hdtracks.com Both should have them.
And yes, it's true, I have both of them in 24 bit. Made me love what are two of my three favourite DT albums even more. I will never go back to their CD counterparts again. Ever. (The same applies to The 2nd Law by Muse as another example btw, and I wouldn't lie to anyone, since I can't and people would notice anyway at some point)

Awesome, thank you very much!

[Max Kuehnau]

anytime (if you love Systematic Chaos and Black Clouds, you'll love these too in 24 bit btw)

[lightbug]

I really like the "Can you see the stranger" section (3:35). I think this is a 10/4 plus a 7/4 

[Max Kuehnau]

yes it is

[Kyo]

The material on the self-titled album is indeed very underrated, but with the the CD version basically being broken sound-wise due to the awful mastering, it's easy to hear why people didn't give these songs much of a chance. I could hardly listen to it at the time and only the much better HDtracks mastering made it possible for me to actually appreciate the songs.

[wolfking]

This is completely random but I always revisit DT albums during album cycles.

I am the only that finds Behind the veil insanely underrated?  It's heavy but also melodic, Labrie sounds great, it's one of their more locked in modern instrumental sections and the Petrucci solo is incredible.

I'm not a huge fan of the first verse but after that I think it's a great modern DT tune.

Agree.  I love it and one of my top 5 from the MM era.  Came in at number 12 on my DT top 50.  Love the modern metal feel and amazing chorus.  Underrated JP solo too.

[Max Kuehnau]

Really? Where can I get this?

As far as BTV, I love this song for reasons that others have noted but I am on record in saying that this is one of the songs I would play for people new to DT.

Also, regarding the intro to Enemy, I always interpreted this as a fire fight.

yeah I'm sure it does a good job of introducing people to both DT in general and MM era DT, without being as massive as say Outcry or View (these two might be too much in the beginning for most people  )

[Uncle Rico]

The chorus is totally cringe, but the rest of it is not bad. Most of the choruses on that album are very sappy, though. The writing process for that album was directly influenced by the Grammy nomination they got for On The Backs of Angels. You could tell they went into the studio with a mindset of trying to put out a more accessible album, in hopes of getting a Grammy. Oddly enough, they eventually did, for a song that isn't very accessible at all.

[TAC]

The chorus is totally cringe, but the rest of it is not bad. Most of the choruses on that album are very sappy, though. The writing process for that album was directly influenced by the Grammy nomination they got for On The Backs of Angels. You could tell they went into the studio with a mindset of trying to put out a more accessible album, in hopes of getting a Grammy. Oddly enough, they eventually did, for a song that isn't very accessible at all.

I can get on board with this.

[Max Kuehnau]

The chorus is totally cringe, but the rest of it is not bad. Most of the choruses on that album are very sappy, though. The writing process for that album was directly influenced by the Grammy nomination they got for On The Backs of Angels. You could tell they went into the studio with a mindset of trying to put out a more accessible album, in hopes of getting a Grammy. Oddly enough, they eventually did, for a song that isn't very accessible at all.

it's written and executed well, that's all that matters to me. I can see why you'd think they are sappy. (never to Journey's level though, thankfully)

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

The chorus is totally cringe, but the rest of it is not bad. Most of the choruses on that album are very sappy, though. The writing process for that album was directly influenced by the Grammy nomination they got for On The Backs of Angels. You could tell they went into the studio with a mindset of trying to put out a more accessible album, in hopes of getting a Grammy. Oddly enough, they eventually did, for a song that isn't very accessible at all.

Yeah that's pretty much how I feel about the chorus. The same thing happened for me with At Wit's End. I feel similarly about those two songs. They're top 20 if they had an above average chorus.

[TAC]

I skipped over the cringey chorus remark. I actually don't mind it.

[hunnus2000]

The chorus is totally cringe, but the rest of it is not bad. Most of the choruses on that album are very sappy, though. The writing process for that album was directly influenced by the Grammy nomination they got for On The Backs of Angels. You could tell they went into the studio with a mindset of trying to put out a more accessible album, in hopes of getting a Grammy. Oddly enough, they eventually did, for a song that isn't very accessible at all.

Well I don't agree with you but I do know that if coach put you in that game, you all would have won State! BTW, can you still throw a football over that mountain?

[Uncle Rico]

Well I don't agree with you but I do know that if coach put you in that game, you all would have won State! BTW, can you still throw a football over that mountain?

Never cared for sports. I have too many chronic health problems; can't even run. I know your comment was intended as some sort of jab, but that's okay. I was just expressing my opinion, like everyone else. Sorry it upset you.

[Adami]

Never cared for sports. I have too many chronic health problems; can't even run. I know your comment was intended as some sort of jab, but that's okay. I was just expressing my opinion, like everyone else. Sorry it upset you.

Had to jog my memory, but I think it was a Napoleon Dynamite joke.

[Uncle Rico]

Had to jog my memory, but I think it was a Napoleon Dynamite joke.

Ahhh, I see. My username is not a reference to that character. It's a reference to "Tio Rico"; my favorite ice cream company back home in Venezuela. Sorry, hunnus2000, I thought it was a jab and now I see it was a joke/reference that went over my head.

[hunnus2000]

Had to jog my memory, but I think it was a Napoleon Dynamite joke.

Yes! I was referring to the movie Napoleon Dynamite where Uncle Rico was one of the central characters. It's an awesome movie!

My bad Uncle Rico, I shouldn't have assumed you saw the movie but you should watch it, it's a funny movie.

[Max Kuehnau]

I'm all for funny films, will check it out, thanks very much