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Nothing would be more disappointing than Metropolis 3 imo

Started by ramiroelliot, October 07, 2024, 07:58:56 PM

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ramiroelliot

Metropolis part two is one of my favorite albums of all time. If the Star Wars sequels have taught me anything, is that sometimes it's just better just to leave a masterpiece alone.

I'd also just prefer to have a new album with new music and new concepts.

wolfking

Welcome mate.  Seems there is a lot of views either way on the possibility of Met3.  Probably doesn't warrant a thread though, just feel free to add to the discussion here;

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php/topic,58482.0.html

nobloodyname

Quote from: ramiroelliot on October 07, 2024, 07:58:56 PMI'd also just prefer to have a new album with new music and new concepts.

Thank you. I'll let the band know.

Pettor

An album where they cover the self titled album would be more disappointing.

An album where they record ant sounds in 3/4 would be more disappointing. Also epic.

An album where they hire Max Martin to create a sequel to Hit Me Baby One More Time called Hit Me Two More Times would be more disappointing ... or would it 🤔

An album where the band can only use Raw Dog samples to compose all the songs would be more disappointing.

So personally I don't agree with the title.

Fritzinger

Quote from: Pettor on October 08, 2024, 12:43:06 AMAn album where they cover the self titled album would be more disappointing.

An album where they record ant sounds in 3/4 would be more disappointing. Also epic.

An album where they hire Max Martin to create a sequel to Hit Me Baby One More Time called Hit Me Two More Times would be more disappointing ... or would it 🤔

An album where the band can only use Raw Dog samples to compose all the songs would be more disappointing.

So personally I don't agree with the title.

But seriously, a collaboration between DT and Max Martin would be kind of awesome. I would love to hear what this weird team would come up with.

Max Kuehnau

I'm sure he'd quantise everyone (especially MP), which I'd welcome, but otherwise, I don't know  :lol
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OpenYourEyes311

Quote from: ramiroelliot on October 07, 2024, 07:58:56 PMIf the Star Wars sequels have taught me anything, is that sometimes it's just better just to leave a masterpiece alone.

Finally someone who agrees with me on The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi being inferior movies to Star Wars

TheOutlawXanadu

I'm long past the days of expecting or wanting anything specific. I'm just happy that Dream Theater are still releasing awesome music.

If they do end up doing Metropolis Pt. 3, it would definitely be a fan service move (and frankly, kind of a business move too). Doesn't mean it would be bad, but maybe a bit predictable.

TheHoveringSojourn808

Quote from: ramiroelliot on October 07, 2024, 07:58:56 PMMetropolis part two is one of my favorite albums of all time. If the Star Wars sequels have taught me anything, is that sometimes it's just better just to leave a masterpiece alone.

I'd also just prefer to have a new album with new music and new concepts.

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MetropolisWatches

If this ends up being true, prepare for tremendous expectations -- being both the Portnoy-return album + a sequel to one of their most beloved albums. Seems too risky, and a bit of a 'shark jumping' moment.

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Thoughtspart3

I think it would be great if they had the same quality and good inspiration for taking the story in a new direction.

Don't forget we had a part one which was awesome and a part two which was fantastic. They could do it right for a part 3.   

hefdaddy42

Quote from: ramiroelliot on October 07, 2024, 07:58:56 PMMetropolis part two is one of my favorite albums of all time. If the Star Wars sequels have taught me anything, is that sometimes it's just better just to leave a masterpiece alone.

I'd also just prefer to have a new album with new music and new concepts.
OK.  Well, we'll see what happens.

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Quote from: Pettor on October 08, 2024, 12:43:06 AMAn album where they cover the self titled album would be more disappointing.

An album where they record ant sounds in 3/4 would be more disappointing. Also epic.

An album where they hire Max Martin to create a sequel to Hit Me Baby One More Time called Hit Me Two More Times would be more disappointing ... or would it 🤔

An album where the band can only use Raw Dog samples to compose all the songs would be more disappointing.

So personally I don't agree with the title.
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TheBarstoolWarrior

How do you know before you have heard the music? There are many ways to make a part 3 without making it M2 part 2.
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bosk1

I could maybe see them doing a sequel some day, but I'm not sure it would be what people might expect.  I think a "direct sequel" would be a mistake and would just suffer in comparison.  But just as the lyrics in SFAM do not serve as a continuation of Metropolis, and instead just have lyrical nods but tell a completely different story, I would be fine if they told a new, mostly unconnected story in a pt. 3.  It could have lyrical and musical nods, just as SFAM does with Metropolis, but be its own standalone story.  I wouldn't mind that at all.

CodyWanKenobi

Quote from: TheBarstoolWarrior on October 08, 2024, 02:34:13 PMHow do you know before you have heard the music? There are many ways to make a part 3 without making it M2 part 2.

Yes, a Metropolis Pt 3 absolutely does not mean it would be Metropolis Pt2 Part 2. lol
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wolfking

Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on October 08, 2024, 07:00:56 AMI'm long past the days of expecting or wanting anything specific. I'm just happy that Dream Theater are still releasing awesome music.

If they do end up doing Metropolis Pt. 3, it would definitely be a fan service move (and frankly, kind of a business move too). Doesn't mean it would be bad, but maybe a bit predictable.

I think this is it.  The most disappointing thing would be no new music at all.

Jamesman42

I also would not want part 3.

I also hope they don't continue the vibes of View. I just cannot get into that one. But luckily, a new lineup likely changes that trajectory some.
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TheBarstoolWarrior

Quote from: Jamesman42 on October 08, 2024, 06:01:18 PMI also would not want part 3.

I also hope they don't continue the vibes of View. I just cannot get into that one. But luckily, a new lineup likely changes that trajectory some.

It changes the trajectory of the drums no doubt. I'm not sure about the overall picture from a song writing perspective. Every DT album is different from the last so either way we'd likely get something new with DT16. It'll be interesting to see how different.
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PetFish

It would be fun if it was one song, same-ish length as the first one, to close out the trilogy.

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Jamesman42

Quote from: TheBarstoolWarrior on October 08, 2024, 06:35:26 PMIt changes the trajectory of the drums no doubt. I'm not sure about the overall picture from a song writing perspective. Every DT album is different from the last so either way we'd likely get something new with DT16. It'll be interesting to see how different.
I disagree but it's not easy to put into words why. The band with MP just feels different. His absence on ADTOE was immediately noticeable. But I get what you mean.
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Puppies_On_Acid

Good music is good music, regardless of what the album is called or what the concept is or lack thereof. We will just have to wait and see. 
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Guitargod

I would not stand up against a closing epic that shares the overall theme of metropolis. I don't see them making a whole concept album keeping in mind what a disaster TA was, and how they acknowledge this by completely abandoning all of its legacy. I may be proven wrong soon, but I do hope they are not that out-of-touch.

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Quote from: twosuitsluke on October 14, 2024, 02:27:06 PMCaleb also has way better taste
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Quote from: twosuitsluke on October 14, 2024, 02:27:06 PMCaleb also has way better taste
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Puppies_On_Acid

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TAC

Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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Pettor

Quote from: Fritzinger on October 08, 2024, 04:13:51 AMBut seriously, a collaboration between DT and Max Martin would be kind of awesome. I would love to hear what this weird team would come up with.

YES! There are so many collaborations that I would like to see with DT. Specially since it would force a bunch of insane virtuosos with great ear for melodies to collaborate and do something out of their ordinary space. DT collaborating with an experimental artsy jazz band has always been on my list of things I would like to see 😁 Maybe a bit like what David Bowie did on Blackstar.

Zantera

Metropolis 3 would get me more excited but I also agree that realistically it wouldn't be close to Scenes From a Memory quality-wise. The band hasn't had an album I've rated higher than maybe 7.5/10 (which is not bad) for about 2 decades now and even if they slap the Metropolis 3 nametag on the new one I doubt it would make much of a difference.

I guess it's one of those "in case of emergency: break this" they have up their sleeves. They already got a lot of hype from MP returning so I don't think they need to double dip and go for a sequel to a beloved album either. In theory if the next album is a miss amongst fans and critics maybe they go for the hail Mary of making a sequel? Who knows.
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ErHaO

It would not come close to the original, likely, but I would be interested.

For films, some late sequels/prequels are very good or even better than the originals (Blade Runner 2049, Doctor Sleep, Top Gun Maverick, Furiosa etc.). But the list of shitty ones is far longer, offcourse. In terms of music, I can't think of too many examples honestly (I think the only real long term sequel I listen to is Thick as a Brick 2, which I really like, moreso than most people).

But at least for DT, the people doing the sequel would be the same band as a whole, which is not often the case for late sequels (outside of novels). If they feel they can add something to the concept, I think they should do it.