Parasomnia Timeline Thread

[HOF]

.. are the same type of people who were still begging for Peter Gabriel to return to Genesis 40 years after he left the band

people want this??

Are you kidding? 

When the first Archive sets came out, it was revealed that Gabriel re-recorded some of the vocals for the live stuff. Later when the box sets came out (and in advance of the 2007 tour) they did a bunch of mutual appearances together (Gabriel is still very much friends with all members of the band and is still involved in band decisions, at least as regards the years he was in the band).  I was posting at the Genesis forum at the time and when that all came down, the fanbase was in an uproar over the possibility of the five members of the band going on tour.

And it was fascinating listening to some of these people; Genesis tours stadiums with their standard latter day set (the hits), and some of these people thought that 60,000 people would pay to watch a band recreate a double album concept record from 1974, when most people at the current stadium shows don't even know Peter was ever a member of the band!!    Can you imagine the uproar when people go see "Peter Gabriel and Genesis" at a stadium and don't see "Misunderstanding" and "Sledgehammer"?!?

The point is that sometimes fans suck. 

Even as recently as their 2007 tour there were discussions of a 5 piece reunion with Gabriel and Hackett that fell apart (Wikipedia says Gabriel initially agreed to it and then backed out, which meant Hackett didn't join them either). I think that was probably the last chance for Gabriel to do something with them, but it would still pop up from time to time as a possibility beyond that I seem to recall.

[TAC]

.. are the same type of people who were still begging for Peter Gabriel to return to Genesis 40 years after he left the band

people want this??

*snip*

The point is that sometimes fans suck. 

I know, don't they?

[devieira73]

From MPs Facebook:
MP Upcoming Dates!
I can't wait to reunite with Dream Theater after the New Year to begin work on a new album...but I still do have some previously committed to dates & appearances still on the calendar for the upcoming weeks and months...so here's what's coming up next in MP world:

Eddie Trunk 40th Anniversary:
Dec 11th - Las Vegas, NV

with Umphrey's McGee:
Dec 29th - Chicago, IL

Bubba Bash w YYNOT:
Jan 6th - Glenside, PA

with Neal Morse & NMB:
Jan 12th & 13th - Morsefest UK

with Metal Allegiance:
Jan 25th - Anaheim, CA

with Flying Colors:
March 8th to 13th - Cruise to the Edge

[TAC]

February looks open.

[hefdaddy42]

I forgot about that Umphrey's McGee date.  That should be pretty sweet.

[devieira73]

My bet is that DT will be in studio on 15th January to begin jamming and discussing ideas, just stopping a few days for Metal Allegiance.

[axeman90210]

Man, I wish I had been able to make a quick trip to Chicago work for that Umphrey's gig.

[Madman Shepherd]

.. are the same type of people who were still begging for Peter Gabriel to return to Genesis 40 years after he left the band

people want this??

Are you kidding? 

When the first Archive sets came out, it was revealed that Gabriel re-recorded some of the vocals for the live stuff. Later when the box sets came out (and in advance of the 2007 tour) they did a bunch of mutual appearances together (Gabriel is still very much friends with all members of the band and is still involved in band decisions, at least as regards the years he was in the band).  I was posting at the Genesis forum at the time and when that all came down, the fanbase was in an uproar over the possibility of the five members of the band going on tour.

And it was fascinating listening to some of these people; Genesis tours stadiums with their standard latter day set (the hits), and some of these people thought that 60,000 people would pay to watch a band recreate a double album concept record from 1974, when most people at the current stadium shows don't even know Peter was ever a member of the band!!    Can you imagine the uproar when people go see "Peter Gabriel and Genesis" at a stadium and don't see "Misunderstanding" and "Sledgehammer"?!?

The point is that sometimes fans suck. 

Even as recently as their 2007 tour there were discussions of a 5 piece reunion with Gabriel and Hackett that fell apart (Wikipedia says Gabriel initially agreed to it and then backed out, which meant Hackett didn't join them either). I think that was probably the last chance for Gabriel to do something with them, but it would still pop up from time to time as a possibility beyond that I seem to recall.

Pretty sure they had all agreed to do Lamb in its entirety live and then they started talking about how long they wanted to make the tour and Gabriel was like, "tour? No, we're talking one show here guys." Then Genesis basically said it's pointless and financially stupid to do this if they're not doing a tour so Gabriel didn't budge and that's the end of that.

[jammindude]

If that's the way it went down, then that was IMO a very myopic way of looking at it. (EDIT - what I mean is, if the band shut it down *only* because Peter wanted one night and not a tour, that would be extremely short sighted of them)

Think of what Cream did reuniting for the Royal Albert Hall shows. It's not just the show itself, it's the live album and DVD and deluxe boxed sets that come afterwards.

Genesis could have done 3-4 nights at the Royal Albert and I'm sure it would have made it worth while for all parties.

[Madman Shepherd]

I'm sure they *could* have made money doing it that way, but after the production was fine tuned, the crew was put together, and the show was performed, I'm sure it would have lost money.

In the long run maybe it would make money. By 2007 people already weren't buying CDs as much. Lamb is an odd album and not close to being their most popular. So yeah, I'm sure the money would come in but I have to admit that is a little insulting of Gabriel.

Regardless, it's cool they all remained friends and I'm pretty sure Gabriel was in attendance at their last show.

[Stadler]

I think to both of you, this is part of a point I made earlier on.  It's REALLY hard to assess the value of things like that.  The Lamb wasn't a raging success the first time.  I think there are people that would show up out of a real desire to see this, and there's a few that would show up out of morbid curiosity, but I can't IMAGINE that this is a guaranteed sellout at even a medium size venue, and I can imagine the risk is not insignificant. It would have to be a pure labor of love for all involved, and I can see them being perhaps too close to it for it to be that.

[emtee]

I certainly hope not, but if they don't get fully into the studio by February or March, we may be looking at a 2025 release. I don't want them to hurry though. If they need several months, they should take it.

[lucasembarbosa]

February - May (studio time)
June - August ("escape from the studio" summer touring)
Late August - September (finishing details of new album)
Late November/ Early December release

[DTiwbwMP]

February - May (studio time)
June - August ("escape from the studio" summer touring)
Late August - September (finishing details of new album)
Late November/ Early December release

[Madman Shepherd]

February - May (studio time)
June - August ("escape from the studio" summer touring)
Late August - September (finishing details of new album)
Late November/ Early December release

Is that confirmed or just speculation? Sounds like a good itinerary though.

[jammindude]

Remember that MP is doing cruise to the edge in March

[lucasembarbosa]

February - May (studio time)
June - August ("escape from the studio" summer touring)
Late August - September (finishing details of new album)
Late November/ Early December release

Is that confirmed or just speculation? Sounds like a good itinerary though.

Pure speculation/wishful thinking

Talking about wishes, I think DT could bring back Kevin Shirley to mix the new album, like a comeback to the golden age of this line up

[crystalstars17]

we may be looking at a 2025 release

And this may be realistic. Then they can not only take the time they need to really create something amazing, as well as giving James some room to work through some of the issues we've been discussing in another thread, but it would fall in nicely with the Octavarium anniversary.

[Setlist Scotty]

we may be looking at a 2025 release

And this may be realistic. Then they can not only take the time they need to really create something amazing, as well as giving James some room to work through some of the issues we've been discussing in another thread, but it would fall in nicely with the Octavarium anniversary.

Or better yet, the 40th anniversary of the band's beginning.

[Wim Kruithof]

we may be looking at a 2025 release

That would be the longest period of time between two studio albums since the founding of the band.

How I wish an official EP was still an option to overcome the hollow void in between. One epic, with some covers on the B side.

[DTiwbwMP]

I can wait for a new album. It's a reunion tour I want ASAP!

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

we may be looking at a 2025 release

That would be the longest period of time between two studio albums since the founding of the band.

How I wish an official EP was still an option to overcome the hollow void in between. One epic, with some covers on the B side.

It does seem like a long time. It makes me wonder why this drummer change just had to happen now. They could be recording that new album right now with Mangini but instead they're having a much longer gap between albums to wait for Mike Portnoy to satisfy his other obligations.

The story is that 'the timing just felt right' to change drummers but what does that even mean? The only thing about the timing that is evident to all of us right now is that it's a longer wait until we get new music.

[Wim Kruithof]

Barstool Warrior, same thoughts run through my head. It all made sense in a way that they're back in DTHQ pretty soon, but since that doesn't seem the case, it really is a strange turn of events.

[Kocak]

we may be looking at a 2025 release

That would be the longest period of time between two studio albums since the founding of the band.

How I wish an official EP was still an option to overcome the hollow void in between. One epic, with some covers on the B side.

I would rather have them take their time to be honest. One of the defining defects of the period from SFAM to BCSL has been the tendency to rush everything based on the formula.

[jammindude]

we may be looking at a 2025 release

That would be the longest period of time between two studio albums since the founding of the band.

How I wish an official EP was still an option to overcome the hollow void in between. One epic, with some covers on the B side.

I would rather have them take their time to be honest. One of the defining defects of the period from SFAM to BCSL has been the tendency to rush everything based on the formula.

+1 big time

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

we may be looking at a 2025 release

That would be the longest period of time between two studio albums since the founding of the band.

How I wish an official EP was still an option to overcome the hollow void in between. One epic, with some covers on the B side.

I would rather have them take their time to be honest. One of the defining defects of the period from SFAM to BCSL has been the tendency to rush everything based on the formula.

Who says the extra time is being spent on the album or even generating ideas for it?

[Mosh]

Announcing a reunion now and then no album until 2025 is too anticlimactic to make sense. I don't think they'll have any problem getting the album wrapped up by summer, even considering MP's schedule. Especially since they own their studio they don't have to worry about the studio being available. Plus it's in NYC so shouldn't be hard commute for anyone besides James (who isn't always there anyway).

February - May (studio time)
June - August ("escape from the studio" summer touring)
Late August - September (finishing details of new album)
Late November/ Early December release

Is that confirmed or just speculation? Sounds like a good itinerary though.

Pure speculation/wishful thinking

Talking about wishes, I think DT could bring back Kevin Shirley to mix the new album, like a comeback to the golden age of this line up

The Iron Maiden comparisons will continue!

[Wim Kruithof]

Announcing a reunion now and then no album until 2025 is too anticlimactic to make sense.

My fuel to get through this period as well...

[DoctorAction]

I don't want to speculate, personally. Don't really see the point.

What I would like, however, is some further bloody update from the band!   

[MoraWintersoul]

They're coming into DTHQ soon enough, but it probably makes more sense to cocoon themselves for one continuous session than break it apart due to the holidays and coming down from the holidays and possible other obligations they have.

[Kocak]

we may be looking at a 2025 release

That would be the longest period of time between two studio albums since the founding of the band.

How I wish an official EP was still an option to overcome the hollow void in between. One epic, with some covers on the B side.

I would rather have them take their time to be honest. One of the defining defects of the period from SFAM to BCSL has been the tendency to rush everything based on the formula.

Who says the extra time is being spent on the album or even generating ideas for it?

Eh, their choice. Would you rather listen to something rushed and low quality or thought through and high quality?

[Cool Chris]

Eh, their choice. Would you rather listen to something rushed and low quality or thought through and high quality?

That presumes it's an either-or situation. I'd prefer a band whose members are approaching or having already hit their 60s use their time efficiently.

[jammindude]

Here's the thing. Since they own their own studio, I don't want them to feel like they have a "deadline".

When you're being creative, some songs come together really easily. Others take a while to hammer out. I think they should go in with absolutely no timeline and just decide that when they have enough finished material, they will release an album. Whether that takes them 3 weeks, 6 weeks, or 24 weeks.

I'm a firm believer in letting the material decide when the material is done.

[Cool Chris]

Great points. Fortunately DT has established themselves well enough that they don't have to worry too much about fading in to obscurity if the time between releases stretches too long. Not all bands are so well positioned.

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

we may be looking at a 2025 release

That would be the longest period of time between two studio albums since the founding of the band.

How I wish an official EP was still an option to overcome the hollow void in between. One epic, with some covers on the B side.

I would rather have them take their time to be honest. One of the defining defects of the period from SFAM to BCSL has been the tendency to rush everything based on the formula.

Who says the extra time is being spent on the album or even generating ideas for it?

Eh, their choice. Would you rather listen to something rushed and low quality or thought through and high quality?

My point was that just because there is a longer gap in between albums in no way means that the extra time is going towards the album. They could be using that time to go on vacation, relax and spend time with their families, work on other ventures. Having an extra 2 months doesn't mean they're spending it on the album or even thinking about it. They've committed to no such thing with the extra time.