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DreamerTV

Quote from: nikatapi on September 21, 2022, 12:07:31 AM

Now onto the album, i can safely say that AVFTTOTW is one of their best of the latter years.
I hope they get back to writing with the same energy. I'm hopeful that they will collaborate with Andy Sneap on the mixing front, since this is one of their best sounding records in a very long time. (I can still hope for Kevin Shirley, but don't think it's possible).


Really? Even after Senjutsu?

TAC

Quote from: DreamerTV on September 21, 2022, 05:37:48 AM
Quote from: nikatapi on September 21, 2022, 12:07:31 AM

Now onto the album, i can safely say that AVFTTOTW is one of their best of the latter years.
I hope they get back to writing with the same energy. I'm hopeful that they will collaborate with Andy Sneap on the mixing front, since this is one of their best sounding records in a very long time. (I can still hope for Kevin Shirley, but don't think it's possible).


Really? Even after Senjutsu?

Senjutsu sounds fine, but Kevin Shirley doesn't determine how Senjutsu sounds, Steve Harris does.
Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Stadler on February 08, 2025, 12:49:43 PMI wouldn't argue this.

nikatapi

Quote from: DreamerTV on September 21, 2022, 05:37:48 AM
Quote from: nikatapi on September 21, 2022, 12:07:31 AM

Now onto the album, i can safely say that AVFTTOTW is one of their best of the latter years.
I hope they get back to writing with the same energy. I'm hopeful that they will collaborate with Andy Sneap on the mixing front, since this is one of their best sounding records in a very long time. (I can still hope for Kevin Shirley, but don't think it's possible).


Really? Even after Senjutsu?

As DreamerTV said, Steve Harris is the one who makes decisions.
I still think the albums done with Kevin Shirley are among the best sounding in DT's catalog.

UndercoverMyung

Lol at people who still can't get over Portnoy leaving the band

Stadler

Quote from: TAC on September 21, 2022, 05:49:53 AM
Quote from: DreamerTV on September 21, 2022, 05:37:48 AM
Quote from: nikatapi on September 21, 2022, 12:07:31 AM

Now onto the album, i can safely say that AVFTTOTW is one of their best of the latter years.
I hope they get back to writing with the same energy. I'm hopeful that they will collaborate with Andy Sneap on the mixing front, since this is one of their best sounding records in a very long time. (I can still hope for Kevin Shirley, but don't think it's possible).


Really? Even after Senjutsu?

Senjutsu sounds fine, but Kevin Shirley doesn't determine how Senjutsu sounds, Steve Harris does.

Yeah, what's the problem with Senjutsu?

DreamerTV

Quote from: nikatapi on September 21, 2022, 06:03:27 AM
Quote from: DreamerTV on September 21, 2022, 05:37:48 AM
Quote from: nikatapi on September 21, 2022, 12:07:31 AM

Now onto the album, i can safely say that AVFTTOTW is one of their best of the latter years.
I hope they get back to writing with the same energy. I'm hopeful that they will collaborate with Andy Sneap on the mixing front, since this is one of their best sounding records in a very long time. (I can still hope for Kevin Shirley, but don't think it's possible).


Really? Even after Senjutsu?

I still think the albums done with Kevin Shirley are among the best sounding in DT's catalog.

While i do agree with that (being FII probably their best sounding album), i've found Senjutsu muddy as hell with a general lack of punchiness. And it's a shame as i reeeeally like the album. I know it's Steve Harris who has the final word, but so has been also for previous albums and the result to me is quite different. 

TAC

It's always Steve's call.

You actually have to give Shirley credit as he has been there for this entire Reunion Era run of incredible albums. They are obviously comfortable with him and for whatever reason they have delivered.
Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Stadler on February 08, 2025, 12:49:43 PMI wouldn't argue this.

dparrott

Someone on reddit brought up the idea of one 75 minute song, no split tracks.  Maybe not THAT long, but I'd be cool with 60-70.  But then the FLAC size...

gzarruk

Quote from: dparrott on September 21, 2022, 10:11:37 AM
Someone on reddit brought up the idea of one 75 minute song, no split tracks.  Maybe not THAT long, but I'd be cool with 60-70.

I'd be down for that :metal

A second, bonus, disc could include a few short songs as well.

hefdaddy42

Quote from: dparrott on September 21, 2022, 10:11:37 AM
Someone on reddit brought up the idea of one 75 minute song, no split tracks.  Maybe not THAT long, but I'd be cool with 60-70.  But then the FLAC size...
If that's what they felt led to do, I would be all for it.

However, having just won a Grammy, I would be surprised if the next album wasn't at least a little more accessible (like FII, 8VM, or even DoT) to try to capitalize on the win.  Or maybe that's me being a little cynical.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on December 11, 2014, 08:19:46 PMHef is right on all things. Except for when I disagree with him. In which case he's probably still right.

emtee

Sound on the last 2 albums has been stellar.


As long as they are passionate about the subject matter the songs will be full of emotion and will resonate. I think this is the key for the next album. Make songs about subjects you care about.

Samsara

I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.
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Jason Slater: For the Sake of Supposing
Roads to Madness: The Touring History of Queensrÿche (1981-1997)

wolfking

Quote from: DreamerTV on September 21, 2022, 07:31:24 AM
Quote from: nikatapi on September 21, 2022, 06:03:27 AM
Quote from: DreamerTV on September 21, 2022, 05:37:48 AM
Quote from: nikatapi on September 21, 2022, 12:07:31 AM

Now onto the album, i can safely say that AVFTTOTW is one of their best of the latter years.
I hope they get back to writing with the same energy. I'm hopeful that they will collaborate with Andy Sneap on the mixing front, since this is one of their best sounding records in a very long time. (I can still hope for Kevin Shirley, but don't think it's possible).


Really? Even after Senjutsu?

I still think the albums done with Kevin Shirley are among the best sounding in DT's catalog.

While i do agree with that (being FII probably their best sounding album), i've found Senjutsu muddy as hell with a general lack of punchiness. And it's a shame as i reeeeally like the album. I know it's Steve Harris who has the final word, but so has been also for previous albums and the result to me is quite different.

Senjutsu is the best sounding album since BNW IMO.

wolfking

Quote from: Samsara on September 21, 2022, 01:35:18 PM
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.

Yeah.....nah.....

WilliamMunny

Quote from: Samsara on September 21, 2022, 01:35:18 PM
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.

Not sure where you landed on the latest James LaBrie album, but as someone who also has long clamored for an acoustic album, it pretty much exceeded any and all expectations (I'm still giving it regular listens)

TAC

Quote from: WilliamMunny on September 21, 2022, 05:24:26 PM
Quote from: Samsara on September 21, 2022, 01:35:18 PM
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.

Not sure where you landed on the latest James LaBrie album, but as someone who also has long clamored for an acoustic album, it pretty much exceeded any and all expectations (I'm still giving it regular listens)

Thank you for the reminder. I didn't buy it right away, and I kind of forgot about it. Yes, I need to give it some attention.
Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Stadler on February 08, 2025, 12:49:43 PMI wouldn't argue this.

Deadeye21

Quote from: Samsara on September 21, 2022, 01:35:18 PM
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.

I wouldn't be uo for this as the main album, but I'd definitely love to see this as a bonus in a deluxe version. Don't get me wrong, the instrumentals are cool, but it seems like everyone's doing that. Would be awesome if they just took some of the new songs, maybe some old songs too, and just rearrange them into a style reminiscent of Beautiful Shade of Grey.

TAC

Or they could release one of the Christmas '98 shows on LNF.
Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Stadler on February 08, 2025, 12:49:43 PMI wouldn't argue this.

MirrorMask

Quote from: Samsara on September 21, 2022, 01:35:18 PM
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.

It would be a nice idea for a bonus disc for the next album.

An EP of six songs - two of the new album rearranged in acoustic, two old songs done in acoustic, and two covers or additional new acoustic tracks not present on the new album, something like that.

hefdaddy42

Quote from: Samsara on September 21, 2022, 01:35:18 PM
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.
I'm down.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on December 11, 2014, 08:19:46 PMHef is right on all things. Except for when I disagree with him. In which case he's probably still right.

Skeever

Quote from: Samsara on September 21, 2022, 01:35:18 PM
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.

John Petrucci mentioned in a recent video that he's gotten into gypsy jazz over the last few years and that it's really opened his mind up to a new style of playing that he never really cared about before. I really hope we see some of that shine through and something he does at one point or another whether it's Dream Theater or something else. I can't see Dream Theater really changing their core sound at this point, but I think there is hope to hear JP really break out of the Rock and metal mode for something completely different one day.

gzarruk

Quote from: Skeever on September 22, 2022, 07:20:38 AM
Quote from: Samsara on September 21, 2022, 01:35:18 PM
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.

John Petrucci mentioned in a recent video that he's gotten into gypsy jazz over the last few years and that it's really opened his mind up to a new style of playing that he never really cared about before. I really hope we see some of that shine through and something he does at one point or another whether it's Dream Theater or something else. I can't see Dream Theater really changing their core sound at this point, but I think there is hope to hear JP really break out of the Rock and metal mode for something completely different one day.

Something that I've been missing from JP's playing is the ocasional complex acoustic guitar solo, something like we see on LTL, Octavarium, Another Dimension, most recently on Gemini... you get the idea. Love it when he does something like that.

Mladen

Last time they tried something different, The Astonishing happened and from what I can gather, many fans just turned their backs for good. The impact can still be felt in my opinion, both in the concert attendance and in the Billboard numbers. I love The Astonishing, by the way. But I have a feeling the band won't be rolling dice again.

hefdaddy42

An element that I have missed in DT is a dash of funk.  They never let it out very much (Take the Time and Lines in the Sand being the examples that come to mind), but it was tasty, and it's been a looooong time.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on December 11, 2014, 08:19:46 PMHef is right on all things. Except for when I disagree with him. In which case he's probably still right.

geeeemo

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on September 22, 2022, 08:43:34 AM
An element that I have missed in DT is a dash of funk.  They never let it out very much (Take the Time and Lines in the Sand being the examples that come to mind), but it was tasty, and it's been a looooong time.

This. I know not many care for FII, but it had such a cool atmospheric...funky sound.  Was it Sherinian that had something to do with that I wonder.

Samsara

Quote from: WilliamMunny on September 21, 2022, 05:24:26 PM
Quote from: Samsara on September 21, 2022, 01:35:18 PM
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.

Not sure where you landed on the latest James LaBrie album, but as someone who also has long clamored for an acoustic album, it pretty much exceeded any and all expectations (I'm still giving it regular listens)

I totally forgot about it. I'll give it a listen in a couple minutes. Just finishing up another record.
My books available for purchase on Amazon:

Jason Slater: For the Sake of Supposing
Roads to Madness: The Touring History of Queensrÿche (1981-1997)

Setlist Scotty

Quote from: Mladen on September 22, 2022, 08:37:41 AM
Last time they tried something different, The Astonishing happened and from what I can gather, many fans just turned their backs for good.
I think it's one thing to try something different on one song or a few. But to do a whole double album that's outside their general wheelhouse is a whole other thing. Nevermind the Disney-esque campiness of it was a turn off for many. While I don't think the idea was completely wrong, the execution of it left a lot of it to be desired. That's why I think it was such a divisive album that turned a lot of fans off.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on November 13, 2015, 07:37:14 PMAs a basic rule, if you hate it, you must solely blame Portnoy. If it's good, then you must downplay MP's contribution to the band as not being important anyway, or claim he's just lying. It's the DTF way.
Quote from: TAC on July 10, 2024, 08:26:41 AMPOW is awesome! :P

Stadler

Quote from: Samsara on September 22, 2022, 09:54:07 AM
Quote from: WilliamMunny on September 21, 2022, 05:24:26 PM
Quote from: Samsara on September 21, 2022, 01:35:18 PM
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.

Not sure where you landed on the latest James LaBrie album, but as someone who also has long clamored for an acoustic album, it pretty much exceeded any and all expectations (I'm still giving it regular listens)

I totally forgot about it. I'll give it a listen in a couple minutes. Just finishing up another record.

Wait. The latest LaBrie album is acoustic?

Samsara

Quote from: Stadler on September 22, 2022, 10:58:04 AM
Quote from: Samsara on September 22, 2022, 09:54:07 AM
Quote from: WilliamMunny on September 21, 2022, 05:24:26 PM
Quote from: Samsara on September 21, 2022, 01:35:18 PM
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.

Not sure where you landed on the latest James LaBrie album, but as someone who also has long clamored for an acoustic album, it pretty much exceeded any and all expectations (I'm still giving it regular listens)

I totally forgot about it. I'll give it a listen in a couple minutes. Just finishing up another record.

Wait. The latest LaBrie album is acoustic?

Yeah, mostly. I listened at low volume, but it sounded that way. really enjoyed it. Going to listen again.
My books available for purchase on Amazon:

Jason Slater: For the Sake of Supposing
Roads to Madness: The Touring History of Queensrÿche (1981-1997)

hefdaddy42

Quote from: Stadler on September 22, 2022, 10:58:04 AM
Quote from: Samsara on September 22, 2022, 09:54:07 AM
Quote from: WilliamMunny on September 21, 2022, 05:24:26 PM
Quote from: Samsara on September 21, 2022, 01:35:18 PM
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.

Not sure where you landed on the latest James LaBrie album, but as someone who also has long clamored for an acoustic album, it pretty much exceeded any and all expectations (I'm still giving it regular listens)

I totally forgot about it. I'll give it a listen in a couple minutes. Just finishing up another record.

Wait. The latest LaBrie album is acoustic?
Not 100%.  But a lot of it.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on December 11, 2014, 08:19:46 PMHef is right on all things. Except for when I disagree with him. In which case he's probably still right.

Stadler


hefdaddy42

Quote from: BlobVanDam on December 11, 2014, 08:19:46 PMHef is right on all things. Except for when I disagree with him. In which case he's probably still right.

WilliamMunny

Quote from: Stadler on September 22, 2022, 11:04:42 AM
Be right back...  :) :) :)

If nothing else, listen to the cover of "Ramble On" and tell me that isn't the best James has sounded on record in years!

Adami

Quote from: Stadler on September 22, 2022, 10:58:04 AM
Quote from: Samsara on September 22, 2022, 09:54:07 AM
Quote from: WilliamMunny on September 21, 2022, 05:24:26 PM
Quote from: Samsara on September 21, 2022, 01:35:18 PM
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.

Not sure where you landed on the latest James LaBrie album, but as someone who also has long clamored for an acoustic album, it pretty much exceeded any and all expectations (I'm still giving it regular listens)

I totally forgot about it. I'll give it a listen in a couple minutes. Just finishing up another record.

Wait. The latest LaBrie album is acoustic?

It's amazing what you miss when you don't leave PR  :P
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dparrott

#139
I've always wanted a live acoustic/unplugged album, especially for Silent Man.

The whole fanbase would squeal like a little girl at a full acoustic performance of ACOS.