"Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread

[Lethean]

Apologies if this has been covered in the earlier pages.  Century Media has this listing which is advertised as 2 cds:

https://centurymedia.store/product/Y4CE549COMBO/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-live-in-new-york-1995-digipack-2xcd-digital-download?cp=102832_103046_104294

But then when you read the description, it mentions "available for the first time on vinyl."

So... Is it just a bad description and I'll in fact get cds?

[The Letter M]

Apologies if this has been covered in the earlier pages.  Century Media has this listing which is advertised as 2 cds:

https://centurymedia.store/product/Y4CE549COMBO/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-live-in-new-york-1995-digipack-2xcd-digital-download?cp=102832_103046_104294

But then when you read the description, it mentions "available for the first time on vinyl."

So... Is it just a bad description and I'll in fact get cds?

The description is just the one used for every version of that release. It just means it's never been released on vinyl before. If the product  page says it's for CDs, you'll get the CDs. Also there's NO way you'd get the vinyl for less than $20. Also also the vinyl is a 3LP set, and here it is - https://centurymedia.store/product/Y4CE547COMBO/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-live-in-new-york-1993-ultra-clear-3xlp-2xcd-digital-download?cp=null

-Marc.

[Lethean]

Thanks! Just wanted to make sure.

[don_waka]

I'm sure we'll get all the other titles he intended to release before the split happened. He talked about a Rush covers compilation, making of SDOIT, one of the last shows with Derek in 98 and BC&SL live stuff.

It would be awesome to have a live release of Where Are You Now? finally.

I'd love to have a compilation of all those b-side tracks done live. Even if that means one of James' struggling performances of Don't Look Past Me from 2017

I had posted Mike's original comment here a while back, but I'm reposting it because it's much more relevant now:

The next batch I was going to work on if things didn't go the way they went was:
--- a compilation of all the Rush Covers (Covers Series)
--- "The Making of SDOIT" (Studio Series)
--- Poughkeepsie, NY '98 (Xmas Unplugged Show - Derek's last show) (Live Series)
and DVD:
--- Several "Pro-shot" BC&SL shows (including Download '09 and the very final show in Tokyo)

That last show with Derek had Speak To Me, Where Are You Now?, Cover My Eyes, and The Way It Used To Be (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/1998/the-chance-poughkeepsie-ny-33d6cc61.html)

Looking forward to that Poughkeepsie show! 

[TAC]

The Poughkeepsie show is indeed awesome!

[Cool Chris]

That last show with Derek had Speak To Me, Where Are You Now?, Cover My Eyes, and The Way It Used To Be (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/1998/the-chance-poughkeepsie-ny-33d6cc61.html)

If I performed a show with a setlist that included those songs I'd fire a band member too. 

[goo-goo]

LaserCD is selling the Corrected Edition of the Images and Words Demos. I guess replacement copies are being shipped.

https://www.lasercd.com/cd/lnf-images-and-words-demos-2cd-corrected-edition

[Bluefish]

Awesome!  Thanks.

[Weymolith]

Just listened to Live From NYC... I see they didn't restore the JLB comments after ACOS on this version either. Never understood why they removed that from the YJR release.

[DTiwbwMP]

Just listened to Live From NYC... I see they didn't restore the JLB comments after ACOS on this version either. Never understood why they removed that from the YJR release.

[EPIC Outro]

Comments? I must know!

[sylentman]

If i remember correctly, he made some comments after finishing ACOS about them (the band) just busting their @ss for 20 minutes. Don't remember if he also gave some background about the song...

[Weymolith]

Comments? I must know!

Something to the effect of "We just busted our ass up here for 20 minutes.. Let me hear you!!!!"

[EPIC Outro]

I love moments like that! Shame it was cut.

[MarceloMalulo]

Distance Over Time demos coming!!!
https://www.levykauppax.fi/artist/dream_theater/lost_not_forgotten_archives_distance_over_time_demos_2018/

That looks VERY interesting!

[gzarruk]

Distance Over Time demos coming!!!
https://www.levykauppax.fi/artist/dream_theater/lost_not_forgotten_archives_distance_over_time_demos_2018/

That looks VERY interesting!

Nice! Three new titles in a row

As for the Wacken show (released today), it sounds quite good! Shame that they didn't include BTV, which was the most important song for me to get a live version of.

It's funny that they didn't fix James' hiccup at the end of CM, but the video is already out there so I guess they couldn't mask it anyway Great release otherwise

[goo-goo]

Any specific reason why BTV was excluded? Was it space? Too bad of a performance?

[AnotherDimension]

Yeah. What gives? Why no Behind the Veil?

[TAC]

Does Wacken TV hold the rights maybe?

This is stupid. Who wants to buy an incomplete performance? There's been no statement?

DT really has their heads in the sand over this stuff, unless of course there's a new guitar, amp, or keyboard product to pimp.

[Stadler]

I thought there was some speculation that it's there but just not in the song list.  That's not the case?

[TAC]

It's not there on Spotify.

[OpenYourEyes311]

My pure speculation is that there was no way to fit it onto the vinyl release without adding another record to the package, so they just left it off.

[AnotherDimension]

Does anyone have a line to the band or management on this one?

[TAC]

My pure speculation is that there was no way to fit it onto the vinyl release without adding another record to the package, so they just left it off.

That makes sense. But back in the day some cassettes get delivered incomplete if they couldn't fit a song? Maybe leave it off of the vinyl, but why not include it on the CD?
Not asking you, Kev, just thinking out loud.

[Stadler]

My pure speculation is that there was no way to fit it onto the vinyl release without adding another record to the package, so they just left it off.

That makes sense. But back in the day some cassettes get delivered incomplete if they couldn't fit a song? Maybe leave it off of the vinyl, but why not include it on the CD?
Not asking you, Kev, just thinking out loud.

This.

[TAC]

Why on earth not cut As I Am if that was the case? Who in the hell needs another live version of that? Why cut the one song with no previous live release?

I find this bullshit and oversight real challenging as a fan.

[goo-goo]

This is the setlist from Setlist.fm. It would have made sense to at least including it in streaming services and if it fit on the CD. I understand the vinyl and CD but no excuse for leaving it off streaming.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2015/hauptstrasse-wacken-germany-6bf66ece.html

Intro Tape: False Awakening Suite
Afterlife
Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper
Burning My Soul
Act II: Scene Eight: The Spirit Carries On
As I Am
Panic Attack
Constant Motion
Bridges in the Sky
Behind the Veil

[Madman Shepherd]

In some ways the DT community is notorious for nitpicking. This is not one of those times. What the hell?

DT: Here's some really cool concerts from the archives for the diehards.

Fans: Hell yeah!

DT: Yeah we're just going to vomit it out and not put a lot of care into it.

Fans: ...fine...

[OpenYourEyes311]

Why on earth not cut As I Am if that was the case? Who in the hell needs another live version of that? Why cut the one song with no previous live release?

I find this bullshit and oversight real challenging as a fan.

I'm with you, Tim. The wrong song got cut here. Spirit or As I Am should have been axed. Or (!!!) maybe release one of the longer concerts from 2015 so another vinyl makes sense and we can get ALL the songs played on that tour.

[Ben_Jamin]

My pure speculation is that there was no way to fit it onto the vinyl release without adding another record to the package, so they just left it off.

I could see this.

Is the main selling product of the Lost Not Forgotten Archives the Vinyls? And the streaming releases are based around what songs are available on the Vinyl?

This is one of the only reasons I could think of for why Behind The Veil is not on the streaming sites either.

[gzarruk]

Hope they include BTV and ACOS from the Budokan show somewhere else at some point. They left out some of the best/most needed songs, but we have a lot of versions for AIA and TSCO

[Deadeye21]

If they were gonna leave something off, I wish it had been Spirit. That one is the song where James really seems the most burned out vocally on this release in my ear. I'll be skipping it pretty much every time.

[lucasembarbosa]

It's been some time since I listened to the Wacken concert, but I think James' voice is quite better in the LNF release as far as I remember...

[Madman Shepherd]

It's been some time since I listened to the Wacken concert, but I think James' voice is quite better in the LNF release as far as I remember...

He sounds pretty awesome to my ears. Not the top of his game but he compensates for it by a few adjustments and more aggression. Some raspy stuff here and there. Almost remiscent of his Awake style. I really dig this release!

[TAC]

I am so conflicted about buying this. On one hand, I hate to leave a new live album on the table, but on the other, the needless chopping of the last song really bothers me. I can't spend money on something that would still be incomplete.