"Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread

[TAC]

Is there any difference to the Happy Holidays download and the A Dramatic Tour Of Events release besides the running order? ARe they the same files? Sound any different?

[Madman Shepherd]

Jesus fuck, these album covers

I know!

Meant to represent the view (pun not intended) from a kaleidoscope I think.

But why? What does a kaleidoscope have anything to do with DT?

They're clearly trolling Mike Portnoy. 

[hefdaddy42]

lol

[The Letter M]

Jokes on DT - Kaleidoscope is often regarded as TA's weakest album.

Also, The Astonishing is usually abbreviated as "TA", the same abbreviation for Transatlantic, who produce very epic and much loved symphonic prog albums. Meanwhile, The Astonishing has probably been the most divisive album DT has put out since Mangini joined. So...

-Marc.

[MarceloMalulo]

Does anyone who has bought it know why "The Majesty Demos" has 3CDs if its length is 1 hour and 17 minutes?

[The Letter M]

Does anyone who has bought it know why "The Majesty Demos" has 3CDs if its length is 1 hour and 17 minutes?

Where does it say it has 3 CDs? Are you sure you aren't mistaking the vinyl release, which would include 3 disks (2 vinyl, 1 CD)?

-Marc.

[MarceloMalulo]

Does anyone who has bought it know why "The Majesty Demos" has 3CDs if its length is 1 hour and 17 minutes?

Where does it say it has 3 CDs? Are you sure you aren't mistaking the vinyl release, which would include 3 disks (2 vinyl, 1 CD)?

-Marc.

Century Media (3CD Digipak): https://centurymedia.store/product/Y4CE487COMBO/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-the-majesty-demos-19851986-3-cd-digipak-digital-download?cp=102832_103046_104294

Amazon (Number of Discs: 3): https://www.amazon.com/-/es/Dream-Theater/dp/B09M8WWZ8C/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_es_US=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=110GPKL3DORS1&keywords=Majesty+Demos&qid=1642778360&sprefix=majesty+demos%2Caps%2C193&sr=8-1

[ZirconBlue]

That's got to be a mistake.  IIRC the original release was 2 discs, one with the Berklee demos and one with the original demo album release.

[nick_z]

Is there any difference to the Happy Holidays download and the A Dramatic Tour Of Events release besides the running order? ARe they the same files? Sound any different?

I never got around to listening to the Happy Holidays set and I'm finally amending that with the LNF release...this is really good! Great performances.

[The Letter M]

Does anyone who has bought it know why "The Majesty Demos" has 3CDs if its length is 1 hour and 17 minutes?

Where does it say it has 3 CDs? Are you sure you aren't mistaking the vinyl release, which would include 3 disks (2 vinyl, 1 CD)?

-Marc.

Century Media (3CD Digipak): https://centurymedia.store/product/Y4CE487COMBO/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-the-majesty-demos-19851986-3-cd-digipak-digital-download?cp=102832_103046_104294

Amazon (Number of Discs: 3): https://www.amazon.com/-/es/Dream-Theater/dp/B09M8WWZ8C/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_es_US=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=110GPKL3DORS1&keywords=Majesty+Demos&qid=1642778360&sprefix=majesty+demos%2Caps%2C193&sr=8-1

That's got to be a mistake.  IIRC the original release was 2 discs, one with the Berklee demos and one with the original demo album release.

Yeah, I'm sure it's just a mistake, and as Zircon said, the original was only 2 CDs. I think someone at Inside Out sent vendors the wrong information about the CD set. So far, nothing seems to indicate that there are any other differences in the track list of this release and the original Ytsejam Records release.

-Marc.

[Setlist Scotty]

That's got to be a mistake.  IIRC the original release was 2 discs, one with the Berklee demos and one with the original demo album release.

Your post is a mistake, too. It was only one CD that had everything on it. 

[hefdaddy42]

Please God don't let there be 3 CDs worth of Majesty demos.

[bosk1]

Mike Thinks He's Dee Dee Ramone Introducing a Song Song - 12" dance mix

[The Letter M]

That's got to be a mistake.  IIRC the original release was 2 discs, one with the Berklee demos and one with the original demo album release.

Your post is a mistake, too. It was only one CD that had everything on it. 

Was it?...hold on...

https://www.discogs.com/release/2906395-Dream-Theater-Official-Bootleg-The-Majesty-Demos-1985-1986

...dang, you're right. See, I thought so, but Zircon's post made me think otherwise. But yeah, it really is only just one CD, since it's under 80 minutes. I guess Mike figured it was easier that way rather than split it up just to keep the original 6-song demo on its own disc. Maybe Zircon just thought it was 2 CDs because a lot of those early demos releases were two CDs?

-Marc.

[hefdaddy42]

Mike Thinks He's Dee Dee Ramone Introducing a Song Song - 12" dance mix

Honestly, I would rather hear that.

[MarceloMalulo]

Just confirmed with the images...
Only 1 CD.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363694924321?hash=item54ade82221:g:AgoAAOSwWRBh6S8z

[ZirconBlue]

Maybe Zircon just thought it was 2 CDs because a lot of those early demos releases were two CDs?

Indeed.  I had a niggling suspicion I was wrong (hence the "IIRC" in my post), but I had to run to an appointment so didn't take time to double-check.  Thanks to Scotty for the correction.

[Ben_Jamin]

I forgot how good A Vision is...

[gzarruk]

I forgot how good A Vision is...

Quite good! I prefer the version with Charlie, though.

[Ben_Jamin]

I forgot how good A Vision is...

Quite good! I prefer the version with Charlie, though.

I haven't heard that one, but I think I would also like it. I could hear Charlies vocals fitting perfect over that music.

[gzarruk]

I forgot how good A Vision is...

Quite good! I prefer the version with Charlie, though.

I haven't heard that one, but I think I would also like it. I could hear Charlies vocals fitting perfect over that music.

It's on the WDADU demos release. That version is about 4 minutes shorter, but it's somehow better. They trimmed all the extra stuff and made it better. Also, Charlie is a better singer overall

Hopefully they re-release that one soon.

[Trav]

I forgot how good A Vision is...

Quite good! I prefer the version with Charlie, though.

I haven't heard that one, but I think I would also like it. I could hear Charlies vocals fitting perfect over that music.

It's on the WDADU demos release. That version is about 4 minutes shorter, but it's somehow better. They trimmed all the extra stuff and made it better. Also, Charlie is a better singer overall

Hopefully they re-release that one soon.

Yes! The '89 Xmas demos are the treasure of the WDADU demos official bootleg!

[Wim Kruithof]

I got in these Archives all in and bought them on vinyl, but since the Octavarium Tour pic from 2005 was mis-used on a cover, I began gaining some doubt over this. The band put so much careness and energy in the artwork, the books and the production when they're releasing a new album. And they did not mention these Archives at all at their own official canals. They doesn't seem to care.

[sfam2112]

Please God don't let there be 3 CDs worth of Majesty demos.

Well, if you want to get technical, depending on when they changed their name in '88 or early '89, there are 3 CDs worth of Majesty demos. 

[sfam2112]

I got in these Archives all in and bought them on vinyl, but since the Octavarium Tour pic from 2005 was mis-used on a cover, I began gaining some doubt over this.

Which release did they use it on?

[Wim Kruithof]

sfam2112 they used it inside the gatefold of When Dream and Day Reunite.

[hefdaddy42]

sfam2112 they used it inside the gatefold of When Dream and Day Reunite.

Is that a misuse?  Wasn't that show performed on the Octavarium tour?

Or was it the Train of Thought tour?

[TAC]

Train Of Thought.

[hefdaddy42]

Train Of Thought.

Still close enough to be on honest mistake.  Not bad enough to say "they don't care".

Trust me, the audience for these releases is small.  If they didn't care, they wouldn't be coming out at all.

[Setlist Scotty]

Trust me, the audience for these releases is small.

But the audience for these releases are going to be the diehards who want everything and are much more meticulous than the average-joe fan. So no, it's not acceptable.

[TAC]

Not sure if the LNF releases come with any, but one thing that made the Ytsejam releases special were MP's liner notes to give some background on the recordings.

[The Letter M]

And since Inside Out is releasing them, not a band-made label like YtseJam Records, I have to wonder if IO approached the band with the idea for the LNFA as a way to have some income during the pandemic? I know they said they were going to re-release the old YJR stuff at some point, but the timing seems convenient. Either way, they are likely getting a decent amount for these monthly bare-bones releases, especially those insanely expensive and limited signed vinyl sets.

I'm not saying the band shouldn't be making money, but it would have been nice to see a little more care and thought put into these products between using wrong tour pics and the unusual album art. Makes me glad I was able to get all of the YJR stuff when it was new, especially since I've not heard or read any reviews stating that the new remasters are any better than the original releases.

-Marc.

[The Letter M]

Not sure if the LNF releases come with any, but one thing that made the Ytsejam releases special were MP's liner notes to give some background on the recordings.

AFAIK, the LFNA albums just have personnel credits and when/where things were recorded. No multi-paragraph essays or even foreword introductions about the album's material. Like I said above, bare-bones.

-Marc.

[Setlist Scotty]

Not sure if the LNF releases come with any, but one thing that made the Ytsejam releases special were MP's liner notes to give some background on the recordings.

Given that MP's production credits have been removed (at least judging by what I saw on the Majesty demos release) and going by what others have already said about some of the other LNFA reissues, I doubt any of his essays that were on the YJR releases are going to be included on any future releases.

[TAC]

Not sure if the LNF releases come with any, but one thing that made the Ytsejam releases special were MP's liner notes to give some background on the recordings.

Given that MP's production credits have been removed (at least judging by what I saw on the Majesty demos release) and going by what others have already said about some of the other LNFA reissues, I doubt any of his essays that were on the YJR releases are going to be included on any future releases.

I don't know what the plans are for future releases once the reissues are completed, but MP's essays really gave you a glimpse into the band. Those releases were special for that.