Favorite live version of Scarred?

Started by Sad Wings, October 03, 2014, 04:26:48 PM

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What's your favorite live version of Scarred?

Once in a Live Time
3 (5%)
Chaos In Motion
4 (6.7%)
Breaking the Forth Wall
47 (78.3%)
Bucharest Ytsejam Release
4 (6.7%)
Other
2 (3.3%)

Total Members Voted: 60

Sad Wings

One long-running gripe among DT fans has been the lack of a knock-out live version of Scarred on par with, say, Pull Me Under from Live at the Marquee.  The fact that the band didn't even play it on the Awake tour and didn't play it very often after Rudess joined made me wonder whether they didn't think it came across very well live.  I remember hoping that Chaos In Motion would give us the definitive version of it, but James' singing wasn't up to snuff and the performance as a whole wasn't inspired.  I love the floydesque keyboard backdrop at the beginning of the OIALT version and parts of the guitar solo that led into the song on the 6DOIT tour.  If they'd done something like that on Breaking The Fourth Wall, that version would leave all of the others in the dust.  I'll still give it the edge on the strength of James' performance and MM's tom fills.  I think that version will win by a landslide but are there any other versions you really like?  I personally really like the version from Los Angeles in 2007 even though James botches the "You tell me I'm wrong, I'm risking my life" verse.  Unlike the version on CIM, that performance sounded energetic and inspired and it was the first time they'd played it in over four years.

TAC

I went with The 4th Wall, but how can you say that the CiM version was uninspired? That was a great show. I've said, you never really know which JP you're gonna get, but he was very animated and in a great mood that show. Plus, MP is incredible on that outro.
Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Stadler on February 08, 2025, 12:49:43 PMI wouldn't argue this.

Sad Wings

The improv jam at the beginning of the CiM version kinda goes nowhere.  James sounds painful on some of the high notes, and while I agree about MP's playing on the outro, JP sounds harsh and sludgy, which kinda took me out of the song.

wolfking


Setlist Scotty

I chose the Bucharest version. Honestly, I haven't picked up the 4th Wall yet, but I can't imagine that the version of Scarred on there will be my favorite for one simple reason - it's pretty much the studio version. For me, I love all the extras that the band used to throw in to some of their songs, and it is evident from the other versions listed, each time Scarred was part of the master setlist, they did something extra with it, aside from the current tour.

JP's intro guitar spot always was a great lead-in to Scarred on World Tourbulence, and the inclusion of the instrumental half of IF was cool too, altho I personally preferred when they tacked on Rush's 2112 Grand Finale, as they did at most shows earlier in the tour.

The version on OiaL doesn't get any consideration from me only because it's an abridged version, unlike what was played that night - I'm pretty sure this was done so that they could fit more stuff on the first CD. Had it not been abridged, it would probably be just below the CiM version in my rankings. And I really do like the version on CiM, but the one from the Bucharest DVD edges it out.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on November 13, 2015, 07:37:14 PMAs a basic rule, if you hate it, you must solely blame Portnoy. If it's good, then you must downplay MP's contribution to the band as not being important anyway, or claim he's just lying. It's the DTF way.
Quote from: TAC on July 10, 2024, 08:26:41 AMPOW is awesome! :P

KevShmev

Quote from: Setlist Scotty on October 03, 2014, 05:30:26 PM
I chose the Bucharest version. Honestly, I haven't picked up the 4th Wall yet, but I can't imagine that the version of Scarred on there will be my favorite for one simple reason - it's pretty much the studio version.

What's wrong with that?  What's that old saying...you can't improve on perfection!! :biggrin: :metal

The Bucharest version is definitely most awesome, but I'll have to spin the new live version again to see how it compares.


Sad Wings

Quote from: Setlist Scotty on October 03, 2014, 05:30:26 PM
the inclusion of the instrumental half of IF was cool too

Did they remove the actual outro to Scarred when they did that like they did on OIALT?  A while back I think Shmev said that they chopped Scarred when they played it on the tour with Queensryche and Fates Warning.

efx

I think the best version is the one on the new one but I have to give special mention to the OIALT performance for Derek's way of playing the keyboard lines in the "Do you feel part" which is one of my most favorite of DT moments. Those little embellishments are really something special and fits the mood of the song perfectly.
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TAC

The other thing I like about the CiM version is right before the "Do you feel" part, they played a few extra bars before they went into it.
Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Stadler on February 08, 2025, 12:49:43 PMI wouldn't argue this.

Sad Wings

Quote from: TAC on October 04, 2014, 04:46:26 AM
The other thing I like about the CiM version is right before the "Do you feel" part, they played a few extra bars before they went into it.

They do that on The Fourth Wall as well. Giving James a little break I guess? Yeah, it lets the keys shine a little more.

wasteland

Easily 4th Wall. And I love the extra bars before the soft part as well!  :)

erwinrafael

Quote from: TAC on October 04, 2014, 04:46:26 AM
The other thing I like about the CiM version is right before the "Do you feel" part, they played a few extra bars before they went into it.

They did that in BtFW also, where you would hear MM's play in the snare.

TheGreatPretender

Breaking the Fourth Wall definitely, but only in terms of audio. Dat overlay.  >:(

genome

I love the jam at the beginning of the OIALT version.

son_ov_hades

Once In A Livetime because its short  :laugh:

hefdaddy42

I went with BTFW, but in fairness, I don't have the Bucharest version.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on December 11, 2014, 08:19:46 PMHef is right on all things. Except for when I disagree with him. In which case he's probably still right.

McNugg

Early 2002.  James voice was sounding pretty full and with decent range and brilliant control around then.  Also had the brilliant Grand Finale 2112 ending :)

aprilethereal

BTFW, although they could have extended the outro a bit more for ultimate awesomeness.

Xenon


hefdaddy42

Quote from: BlobVanDam on December 11, 2014, 08:19:46 PMHef is right on all things. Except for when I disagree with him. In which case he's probably still right.

SeRoX

I love the wild voice of James that he used on Bucharest even though he struggled at some point. BFTW version is pretty good but James sounds so clean on this which doesn't fit the nature of the song, imo.

wolfking

Quote from: Xenon on October 06, 2014, 01:56:03 PM
I like budokan version

Fuck, this must be a hidden easter egg no one else has ever found!

Xenon

Quote from: wolfking on October 06, 2014, 04:09:33 PM
Quote from: Xenon on October 06, 2014, 01:56:03 PM
I like budokan version

Fuck, this must be a hidden easter egg no one else has ever found!
Not even me. That's what I like  :biggrin:

BlobVanDam

Quote from: Xenon on October 06, 2014, 01:56:03 PM
I like budokan version

They way they performed it on Budokan is the way that song should always be performed.

Xenon

Quote from: BlobVanDam on October 06, 2014, 06:09:37 PM
Quote from: Xenon on October 06, 2014, 01:56:03 PM
I like budokan version

They way they performed it on Budokan is the way that song should always be performed.
Exactly my point.

JayOctavarium

Quote from: BlobVanDam on October 06, 2014, 06:09:37 PM
Quote from: Xenon on October 06, 2014, 01:56:03 PM
I like budokan version

They way they performed it on Budokan is the way that song should always be performed.

You are the worst kind of person.

hefdaddy42

Quote from: BlobVanDam on December 11, 2014, 08:19:46 PMHef is right on all things. Except for when I disagree with him. In which case he's probably still right.

BlobVanDam

Don't try to school me on science, hef. I was born science.

chaossystem

I don't know why so many people don't like the "Chaos" version. I like the extended parts, especially the "jazzy" thing at the beginning. As much as I like "The Darkest of Winters," the fact that they play the whole song here instead of cutting off the end and going into something else like they do on "LiveTime" score points with me. I think-in spite of James's vocal foibles-it's still a VASTLY under-rated version of this song.

wolfking


TAC

Quote from: chaossystem on October 19, 2014, 04:43:22 PM
I don't know why so many people don't like the "Chaos" version. I like the extended parts, especially the "jazzy" thing at the beginning. As much as I like "The Darkest of Winters," the fact that they play the whole song here instead of cutting off the end and going into something else like they do on "LiveTime" score points with me. I think-in spite of James's vocal foibles-it's still a VASTLY under-rated version of this song.
I agree 100%. MP is killing it in the outro.
Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Stadler on February 08, 2025, 12:49:43 PMI wouldn't argue this.

Skeever

Quote from: chaossystem on October 19, 2014, 04:43:22 PM
I don't know why so many people don't like the "Chaos" version. I like the extended parts, especially the "jazzy" thing at the beginning. As much as I like "The Darkest of Winters," the fact that they play the whole song here instead of cutting off the end and going into something else like they do on "LiveTime" score points with me. I think-in spite of James's vocal foibles-it's still a VASTLY under-rated version of this song.
That's just it though. They're hard to look past. I have the same exact feelings for Surrounded on that release. I wish the vocals had been at least "acceptable". Unlistenable as is.

chaossystem

Quote from: wolfking on October 06, 2014, 04:09:33 PM
Quote from: Xenon on October 06, 2014, 01:56:03 PM
I like budokan version

Fuck, this must be a hidden easter egg no one else has ever found!

It's probably a running joke among people who HATE the song. They didn't play ANYTHING from "Awake" at the Budokan show, other than a little bit of "Erotomania" in the ""Instrumedley."

Basically, I think this "Budokan version" crap is just a bunch of HATERS expressing their HATE!!!

wolfking

Quote from: chaossystem on October 21, 2014, 06:41:07 PM
Quote from: wolfking on October 06, 2014, 04:09:33 PM
Quote from: Xenon on October 06, 2014, 01:56:03 PM
I like budokan version

Fuck, this must be a hidden easter egg no one else has ever found!

It's probably a running joke among people who HATE the song. They didn't play ANYTHING from "Awake" at the Budokan show, other than a little bit of "Erotomania" in the ""Instrumedley."

Basically, I think this "Budokan version" crap is just a bunch of HATERS expressing their HATE!!!

I have never heard that before.

JayOctavarium

My favourite version of IT is the one on Live In Tokyo..