Rate Breaking the Fourth Wall

[the-glass-prison]

My only complaint is the lack of volume coming from J P guitar. Feel that in a good few of the songs the sound from it us too quiet. Apart from that I love it. 9.

[Kotowboy]

Feel like we should have a Poll for best DT live DVD but i don't wanna start yet another Breaking The Fourth Wall thread

[adamack]

Cons:
- James' performance just "OK"

What the hell?

Seriously this, James is amazing.  I know his performance was doctored but I don't care, I like to enjoy the performance without too much distraction from sour notes and the "thin" sound James has had on other live DVD's.   

100% this. Off-key/sour notes totally ruin my listening experience. I wish this weren't true, but I can't help it.  I am SO glad that DT does not put out raw vocals on DVDs anymore. James cannot hit notes like he used to be able to, so if they did not use some autotune here and there, I would cringe at the inevitable flat/sharp notes.

This is no knock on James at all, as it is impossible to hit every note...especially when expected to cover such a range. But rather just a praise on whoever decided to doctor up his performances for DVDs.

I think this began when Score came out? I could be dead wrong...did Budoken use any auto tune or overdub stuff?

[Dublagent66]

I only have the iTunes download.  Great live album.  JLB is fantastic as well as the rest of the band.  But, I have issues with the setlist.  Add Behind The Veil and take away EM, AFTR & IT and replace those with Hell's Kitchen, Voices and LTL.  I would've given it a 9.5.  Instead, it only gets a 6.0.

[Anguyen92]

Hmmm, how come you didn't want IT, the grand pièce de résistance of the new album, and probably the one song that most people wanted them to play on this tour, be in the set?  And wow.  Does them playing those particular new songs really lower your score that much?

[bosk1]

One of the best DT live releases, leaps and bounds better than the mediocre LALP.

I don't understand how anyone could consider LALP "mediocre."  But anyway...

[hefdaddy42]

One of the best DT live releases, leaps and bounds better than the mediocre LALP.

I don't understand how anyone could consider LALP "mediocre."  But anyway...

The only thing I didn't like about it was that at times, JP is SO loud that I can't clearly hear everyone else.  But the film work is great, as are the performances and the setlist.

[bosk1]

Yeah, same here.  I mean, I guess I can understand not liking it if you are either insane or deaf though.

[hefdaddy42]

I guess those would be mitigating factors?

[rumborak]

The bad quality of the vocals doesn't bother you?

[wasteland]

The bad quality of the vocals doesn't bother you?

As in "they were sonically bad" or "James wasn't singing well"?

[bosk1]

I don't see how either of those options apply to that release.

[KevShmev]

One of the best DT live releases, leaps and bounds better than the mediocre LALP.

I don't understand how anyone could consider LALP "mediocre."  But anyway...

The only thing I didn't like about it was that at times, JP is SO loud that I can't clearly hear everyone else.  But the film work is great, as are the performances and the setlist.

I agree with this.  The inaudible keyboards at times is frustrating (especially during the main theme at the beginning of Breaking All Illusions), but, all in all, Luna Park is pretty great. 

[rumborak]

No offense, bosk, but *that* I would call borderline deaf. They processed James' vocals to death, and during the acoustic session it becomes really, really bad.

[Sycsa]

The drums sound weak and thin (some of the tom fills can hardly be made out, the kick and the snare are tiny) and the keys are super buried. For me, these are the two most important elements of the DT sound, so I'll disqualify LALP based just on this and looking at their live output, I have no problem labeling it as mediocre. On top of it there's the issue with the vocals, JP's not-so-good tone (which is a flaw of BTFW as well) and I'm not a huge fan of the looks either, a bit too colorful and saturated with the J.J. Abrams style lens flare excess. The setlist was so-so, I don't think we needed another version of WIMH/TTTSTA (with the eyebrow raising backing vocals) or TSCO. Add to the mix that I had huge expectations, I really wanted this to top Budokan or Score and it just didn't deliver. I thought I'd get superior sounding versions of the ADTOE songs, but I was wrong on that count as well. On the flip side, James' performance was excellent and the drum solo was a big juicy surprise, I probably watched it more than a dozen times (also, the drums sounded amazing by themselves). Fortunately, Breaking the Fourth Wall set everything right. 

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

The drums sound weak and thin (some of the tom fills can hardly be made out, the kick and the snare are tiny) and the keys are super buried.

wat

[erwinrafael]

I jumped into the latest comments in this thread, and I was going "what the hell?" and then realized that you guys are talking about LALP.

[Sycsa]

The drums sound weak and thin (some of the tom fills can hardly be made out, the kick and the snare are tiny) and the keys are super buried.

wat

I jumped into the latest comments in this thread, and I was going "what the hell?" and then realized that you guys are talking about LALP.

Probably dat.

[hefdaddy42]

The bad quality of the vocals doesn't bother you?

They weren't good on the acoustic sections, way too breathy.  But that is such a small part of the show.  I don't have much of a problem anywhere else.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

I jumped into the latest comments in this thread, and I was going "what the hell?" and then realized that you guys are talking about LALP.

Yeah, now it makes sense 

[tiagodon]

Sorry, but could anyone explain what the title means? Breaking the fourth wall?

[rumborak]

Here is a detailed explanation

[tiagodon]

Thanks, but I´m not really interested in the theatrical term, but what the band meant. What is the message behind the term (if there´s any)?

[bosk1]

If you are not interested in the theatrical term, you are missing the point.  There is no "message behind the term."  It refers to the common usage of the term.

[rumborak]

The only "message" here is "We played the concert in an opera house, and we tried to connect with the audience. We broke the Fourth Wall."

[tiagodon]

Ok. I thought it could be related to IT lyrics...

When your backs' against the wall
And the time's uncertain
Consider this question

But I guess I was just drifting away....

[Rodni Demental]

The only "message" here is "We played the concert in an opera house, and we tried to connect with the audience. We broke the Fourth Wall."

Theatre term, opera house, Dream THEATER, interaction with the audience. (Although I'd argue the idea of all music performances is to break the 'fourth wall' but that's probably besides the point).

[tofee35]

This thread should have been titled "Rating the Fourth Wall". Missed opportunity!

The fourth wall has a 2 hr 42 min rating

[hefdaddy42]

Thanks, but I´m not really interested in the theatrical term, but what the band meant. What is the message behind the term (if there´s any)?

[King Postwhore]

I don't think you have a forehead anymore.

[tiagodon]

Thanks, but I´m not really interested in the theatrical term, but what the band meant. What is the message behind the term (if there´s any)?

This is rude and bashing. A moderator breaking the forum rules? I was warned here a long time ago for a similar attitude. If you dont have anything useful to say, choose silence. You intimidate discussion and the free flow of ideas with that kind of post. You think you are very smart, dont ya? Shame on you, moderator!

[hefdaddy42]

Thanks, but I´m not really interested in the theatrical term, but what the band meant. What is the message behind the term (if there´s any)?

This is rude and bashing. A moderator breaking the forum rules? I was warned here a long time ago for a similar attitude. If you dont have anything useful to say, choose silence. You intimidate discussion and the free flow of ideas with that kind of post. You think you are very smart, dont ya? Shame on you, moderator!

WTF I was not being rude or bashing.  I didn't intimidate (?) any discussion or free flow of ideas.  I have a sense of humor and I express it. 

Besides, that was a completely appropriate response to someone asking a question, getting an answer, and then still asking it again. 

If you took offense, sorry, but please don't question my motives or accuse me of breaking forum rules.

[Grizz]

Thanks, but I´m not really interested in the theatrical term, but what the band meant. What is the message behind the term (if there´s any)?

This is rude and bashing. A moderator breaking the forum rules? I was warned here a long time ago for a similar attitude. If you dont have anything useful to say, choose silence. You intimidate discussion and the free flow of ideas with that kind of post. You think you are very smart, dont ya? Shame on you, moderator!

If I asked what Live at Luna Park meant, but then said I'm not interested in the definition of live or the venue of Luna Park, what would you do?

[Dublagent66]

LOL.  LALP doesn't mean anything except LALP.  BTFW is a metaphor.  Clearly not the same thing.