Unleash your ideas for a CONCEPT ALBUM!

Started by Knguro, August 08, 2014, 10:23:53 AM

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Knguro

We all know that past days DT used to write stuff based or oriented on mental disorders, religion, philosophy or even esotericism, and now days is more about philantropy and stuff like that. Since it's a posibility that they might do another Full Length concept album and this is just for us to have fun and fill our minds with propably useless hopes about a concept album (haha). What ideas do you guys have or wish them to use for a concept album? GO GO GO!


hefdaddy42

To be honest, this wouldn't be my preference.

Having said that, I would prefer that they base the story on something historical, rather than some made-up fantasy/supernatural/horror tripe. 
Quote from: BlobVanDam on December 11, 2014, 08:19:46 PMHef is right on all things. Except for when I disagree with him. In which case he's probably still right.

liran95

I really loved the Solitary Shell lyrical concept, so I guess I would love to see an entire album based on the idea of autism (or just deep deep loneliness).
I find this feeling very touching, even heart breaking.

I know Mr. Petrucci can make me cry with this subject :)

Mosh

If they ever did another concept album, I'd like it to be a broader, more universal theme. Lyrically, I'm really not a fan of Six Degrees. The lyrics aren't bad but to me they sound like something written by someone who did a lot of research on various mental illnesses without having experience with those things; which is what it was. Scenes is a decent story but I have a hard time connecting to any of the lyrics on it.

So if they were to do something like this again, I'd like something more based on personal experiences. With  a theme like on Illumination Theory, which can speak to virtually anyone who listens to it.

chaossystem

#4
It seems almost impossible to come up with an idea along these lines without being REALLY redundant. For example: a lot of people are hoping/anticipating/wishing for a "Metropolis part 3," either as another album or a single track.

One idea that I had was an album that has more of a common "theme" or "thread" along the lines of Alan Parsons, Pink Floyd, or "Six Degrees" Maybe a collection of songs about different religions, or wars or how various countries were founded. Or different inventions, such as those of Benjamin Franklin. If anyone could make those often boring subjects interesting, or even exciting...

I know a lot of people don't like the whole Sci-fi/horror/dark fantasy thing, but for those of us who do: A collection of songs based on short stories by writers such as H.P. Lovecraft, Stephen King, Clive Barker or Dean Koontz. Or each song could be based on a different story by a different writer, with something linking them together.

Speaking of Mr. King-and I know this has been done before in songs by bands such as The Alarm and Anthrax, but-I wouldn't mind an entire album based on "The Stand."

Or another original story about the conflict between good and evil, along the lines of "In the Presence of Enemies."

bosk1

Quote from: chaossystem on August 08, 2014, 01:19:37 PMFor example: a lot of people are hoping/anticipating/wishing for a "Metropolis part 3," either as another album or a single track.

No, they really aren't.

hefdaddy42

To me, if they go back to that well again, it's almost an admission of defeat.  I just don't see that being a good idea, and I would be shocked if they did it.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on December 11, 2014, 08:19:46 PMHef is right on all things. Except for when I disagree with him. In which case he's probably still right.

chaossystem

THAT'S all you got from everything I said?

REALLY?

Knguro

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on August 08, 2014, 01:25:45 PM
To me, if they go back to that well again, it's almost an admission of defeat.  I just don't see that being a good idea, and I would be shocked if they did it.

I really don't see it as such a bad thing, I think they do have a good credit to do that again, and for me a safe zone would be something historical as you suggested.

hefdaddy42

Quote from: chaossystem on August 08, 2014, 01:35:15 PM
THAT'S all you got from everything I said?

REALLY?
I wasn't addressing you.  I was addressing bosk1, who posted right above me.  In particular, I was only addressing "Metropolis 3" which is all he was addressing.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on December 11, 2014, 08:19:46 PMHef is right on all things. Except for when I disagree with him. In which case he's probably still right.

The Holy Tune

Would love to see DT getting involved with history and make a concept album about that. And I really don't wish to see more mental disorder/Metropolis-themed/religious conceptual albums. I think they've used those themes fairly much.

Shadow Ninja 2.0

I'd prefer DT stay away from concept albums. I've always viewed the concept as being the weakest part by far of SFAM.

The Holy Tune

Quote from: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 08, 2014, 01:46:28 PM
I'd prefer DT stay away from concept albums. I've always viewed the concept as being the weakest part by far of SFAM.

Petrucci recently said that they'll do another one though. And I'm very excited about it.

Randaran

Quote from: chaossystem on August 08, 2014, 01:19:37 PM
Speaking of Mr. King-and I know this has been done before by bands such as The Alarm and Anthrax, but-I wouldn't mind an entire album based on "The Stand."

If a SK work was to be adapted, "It" or "The Shining" would be the best choices. I never really cared for "The Stand". An album with an original story would be best; something like the Parallax EP/album. The fantasy/horror lyrics on SC are some of my favorites, and I am sure that DT could make such a story work both musically and lyrically.

Shadow Ninja 2.0

Quote from: The Holy Tune on August 08, 2014, 01:48:18 PM
Quote from: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 08, 2014, 01:46:28 PM
I'd prefer DT stay away from concept albums. I've always viewed the concept as being the weakest part by far of SFAM.

Petrucci recently said that they'll do another one though. And I'm very excited about it.
Could you link to that? I don't remember hearing anything about it.

chaossystem

Quote from: Knguro on August 08, 2014, 01:40:21 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on August 08, 2014, 01:25:45 PM
To me, if they go back to that well again, it's almost an admission of defeat.  I just don't see that being a good idea, and I would be shocked if they did it.

I really don't see it as such a bad thing, I think they do have a good credit to do that again, and for me a safe zone would be something historical as you suggested.

I would't hate it if they DID do that, but I would rather see them move on to something else. Still, it might  be interesting to see what they would come up with. I THINK Nicholas gets killed (murdered) at the end of "Scenes," so he/she would probably have to be reincarnated again. Maybe this time the story could have a happy ending, not just the same crap happening over and over again.

Knguro

The idea of wars across human history that someone suggested is really doing its place in my head right now!

chaossystem

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on August 08, 2014, 01:45:21 PM
Quote from: chaossystem on August 08, 2014, 01:35:15 PM
THAT'S all you got from everything I said?

REALLY?
I wasn't addressing you.  I was addressing bosk1, who posted right above me.  In particular, I was only addressing "Metropolis 3" which is all he was addressing.

Sorry, I was talking to HIM as well.

hefdaddy42

Quote from: chaossystem on August 08, 2014, 01:51:16 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on August 08, 2014, 01:45:21 PM
Quote from: chaossystem on August 08, 2014, 01:35:15 PM
THAT'S all you got from everything I said?

REALLY?
I wasn't addressing you.  I was addressing bosk1, who posted right above me.  In particular, I was only addressing "Metropolis 3" which is all he was addressing.

Sorry, I was talking to HIM as well.
OK.  If you are going to address someone who wasn't directly above you, it might be better to address them by name or to quote what they said.

But even so, why the reaction to his post?
Quote from: BlobVanDam on December 11, 2014, 08:19:46 PMHef is right on all things. Except for when I disagree with him. In which case he's probably still right.

Knguro

Quote from: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 08, 2014, 01:49:21 PM
Quote from: The Holy Tune on August 08, 2014, 01:48:18 PM
Quote from: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 08, 2014, 01:46:28 PM
I'd prefer DT stay away from concept albums. I've always viewed the concept as being the weakest part by far of SFAM.

Petrucci recently said that they'll do another one though. And I'm very excited about it.
Could you link to that? I don't remember hearing anything about it.

yeah i recall the same thing, but not remember where, all i remember is that it was not to long ago.

The Holy Tune

Quote from: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 08, 2014, 01:49:21 PM
Quote from: The Holy Tune on August 08, 2014, 01:48:18 PM
Quote from: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 08, 2014, 01:46:28 PM
I'd prefer DT stay away from concept albums. I've always viewed the concept as being the weakest part by far of SFAM.

Petrucci recently said that they'll do another one though. And I'm very excited about it.
Could you link to that? I don't remember hearing anything about it.

From here: https://rockbook.hu/hirek/john-petrucci-interview-label-didnt-have-influence-falling-infinity-album

"Rockbook: - Are you planning any more concept albums, like 'Scenes From A Memory'?

John Petrucci: - I'm sure that's something we'll do at some point. Yeah."

hefdaddy42

To be fair, that doesn't sound like a commitment or a definite plan.  It sounds like a way to gracefully move to the next question.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on December 11, 2014, 08:19:46 PMHef is right on all things. Except for when I disagree with him. In which case he's probably still right.

Kotowboy

Album 13 = 8 + 5.

Octavarium Plus Scenes From A Memory joint sequel / concept mash up bonkers crazy double album. You buy it !


" Triskaidekaphobia " - The Fear of 13.

Will be a 13 track album split up into five pairs of songs with a 3 track Suite at the end.


Knguro

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on August 08, 2014, 01:55:17 PM
To be fair, that doesn't sound like a commitment or a definite plan.  It sounds like a way to gracefully move to the next question.

Probably, but the fact is that he said yes, and that he is certain about it. :)

Knguro

Quote from: Kotowboy on August 08, 2014, 01:55:56 PM
Album 13 = 8 + 5.

Octavarium Plus Scenes From A Memory joint sequel / concept mash up bonkers crazy double album. You buy it !


" Triskaidekaphobia " - The Fear of 13.

Will be a 13 track album split up into five pairs of songs with a 3 track Suite at the end.

Holy shit!

The Holy Tune

Quote from: Kotowboy on August 08, 2014, 01:55:56 PM
Album 13 = 8 + 5.

Octavarium Plus Scenes From A Memory joint sequel / concept mash up bonkers crazy double album. You buy it !


" Triskaidekaphobia " - The Fear of 13.

Will be a 13 track album split up into five pairs of songs with a 3 track Suite at the end.

Oh man the craziest thing I've heard this week :lol

Kotowboy


chaossystem

#27
Quote from: Kotowboy on August 08, 2014, 01:55:56 PM
Album 13 = 8 + 5.

Octavarium Plus Scenes From A Memory joint sequel / concept mash up bonkers crazy double album. You buy it !


" Triskaidekaphobia " - The Fear of 13.

Will be a 13 track album split up into five pairs of songs with a 3 track Suite at the end.

Since it IS number 13, how about THIS for a concept: A collection of songs about superstitions and phobias.

This idea is SO much fun to play with!

Dublagent66

DT's career was on the brink of extinction when they decided to go all out, to write and produce SFAM themselves.  It was a huge risk that ended being worth it.  I don't think they would put themselves through that again when SFAM is just fine by itself and doesn't need a follow up.  The risk would be even greater at this point.

Knguro

Quote from: Dublagent66 on August 08, 2014, 02:10:10 PM
DT's career was on the brink of extinction when they decided to go all out, to write and produce SFAM themselves.  It was a huge risk that ended being worth it.  I don't think they would put themselves through that again when SFAM is just fine by itself and doesn't need a follow up.  The risk would be even greater at this point.

Agree, but what about SDoIT or Octavarium?

or do you mean Metropolis part 3?

Dublagent66

SDOIT and 8VM are not really concept albums.  They are more of a string of ideas within a main theme.  I was more or less eluding to the Metro 3 idea but I think the concept format in which they did SFAM would most likely not happen again.  Then again, who knows?  I could be wrong.

TheGreatPretender

As much as I like fantasy elements, I will admit John Petrucci isn't that great at writing them. I mean, I love The Killing Hand, Forsaken, and every other fantasy lyric he wrote, in terms of having a cool song with good lyrics, but from a storytelling perspective, they leave a lot to be desired. I don't know if I'd want to have a concept album based on history though. But maybe if it was a more straight forward piece of fiction, it'd be better. Like, if they took the murder mystery idea of SFAM and just ran with something like that. (Except that's been done already.) But even something along the lines of Bridges in the Sky, something about one man's spiritual quest, I think would be really cool.

chaossystem

Quote from: chaossystem on August 08, 2014, 02:06:48 PM
Quote from: Kotowboy on August 08, 2014, 01:55:56 PM
Album 13 = 8 + 5.

Octavarium Plus Scenes From A Memory joint sequel / concept mash up bonkers crazy double album. You buy it !


" Triskaidekaphobia " - The Fear of 13.

Will be a 13 track album split up into five pairs of songs with a 3 track Suite at the end.

Since it IS number 13, how about THIS for a concept: A collection of songs about superstitions and phobias.

(This idea is SO much fun to play with!)

Zook

I can't imagine songs about superstitions being all that interesting.




Unless it's Fear of the Dark.

TheGreatPretender

Quote from: Zook on August 08, 2014, 02:38:30 PM
I can't imagine songs about superstitions being all that interesting.




Unless it's Fear of the Dark.

"Don't let the black cat cross the crooked step!"