Impressed by 6:00? Laugh a little bit.

[Knguro]

Have no idea if it has been posted before, mods, please feel free to move it or block it as you may prefer...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwHnmxtu8BQ&sns=tw

I QUIT!   

[GasparXR]

[wolfking]

Probably didn't need a thread in the DT section, but cool vid.

Good to see Lars respect Mike and embrace his talent.

[Infinite Cactus]

You know, for as much as I have ragged on Portnoy at times, and as much as  I feel like he slacked over the years, I love being reminded of why I fell in love with him as a drummer years ago. He still in my top 3 personal favorites. I also love Lars' reaction.

[SeRoX]

Lars is like: Wow, so he is a real drummer, right? Then what the hell I am?

[Knguro]

One of the comments below says:

Lars: So that's how drums are played uh? Who knew..

 

[TheGreatPretender]

Better recognize!

[Invisible]

That drumming is a part of why 6:00 is one of my very favorites songs, absolutely awesome.

BTW one of the comments: "Portnoy can play like a machine but you need groove and feeling.. he lacks of that. "

It's funny how in every discussion when a(obvious) more skilled musician comes along, the defense is "he lacks feeling/groove/emotion/soul".

[TheGreatPretender]

That drumming is a part of why 6:00 is one of my very favorites songs, absolutely awesome.

BTW one of the comments: "Portnoy can play like a machine but you need groove and feeling.. he lacks of that. "

It's funny how in every discussion when a(obvious) more skilled musician comes along, the defense is "he lacks feeling/groove/emotion/soul".

Well, that's what happens when you confuse 'feeling' with sloppiness.

[Zook]

Portnoy had plenty of groove in DT. His drumming was FUN.

[Invisible]

That drumming is a part of why 6:00 is one of my very favorites songs, absolutely awesome.

BTW one of the comments: "Portnoy can play like a machine but you need groove and feeling.. he lacks of that. "

It's funny how in every discussion when a(obvious) more skilled musician comes along, the defense is "he lacks feeling/groove/emotion/soul".

Well, that's what happens when you confuse 'feeling' with sloppiness.

Yeah, but it's the same thing I've read Portnoy fans saying with Mangini, Sherinian fans with Rudess, etc... Just accept one is better but you just like the other better, don't go into silly arguments.

[TheGreatPretender]

Yeah, but it's the same thing I've read Portnoy fans saying with Mangini, Sherinian fans with Rudess, etc... Just accept one is better but you just like the other better, don't go into silly arguments.

People can't do that. They need validation. 

[Madman Shepherd]

That drumming is a part of why 6:00 is one of my very favorites songs, absolutely awesome.

BTW one of the comments: "Portnoy can play like a machine but you need groove and feeling.. he lacks of that. "

It's funny how in every discussion when a(obvious) more skilled musician comes along, the defense is "he lacks feeling/groove/emotion/soul".

I love it.  How could he possibly put more feel into it?  People come up with these dumb ideas knowing that they don't have to back it up with evidence. 

"I can't define it but I know it when I hear it."

Sounds a lot like the supreme court justice who said, "I can't define pornography but I know it when I see it."

[Mosh]

6:00 is one of the grooviest drumming I've ever heard, by anybody. It's dripping with feel. Just because it's technical doesn't mean it can't groove.

[Sir Walrus Cauliflower]

6:00 is one of the grooviest drumming I've ever heard, by anybody. It's dripping with feel. Just because it's technical doesn't mean it can't groove.

Seriously, this is pretty much the most fun thing I play. It's so groovy and wonderful, it always makes me happy. I don't know how anybody can say Lars has more "feel"... That word's use frequently irritates me.

[Knguro]

Can you guys imagine Lars reaction with a "more complex" piece, example: The Dance of the Eternity, In the Name of God, etc.?

[Tomislav95]

Portnoy definitely have a groove. Especially in posted piece.
Also, I hate when people say Petrucci have no feeling in playing. Of course, he shreds frequently but there are many songs where he shows his feel.

[MoraWintersoul]

That drumming is a part of why 6:00 is one of my very favorites songs, absolutely awesome.

BTW one of the comments: "Portnoy can play like a machine but you need groove and feeling.. he lacks of that. "

It's funny how in every discussion when a(obvious) more skilled musician comes along, the defense is "he lacks feeling/groove/emotion/soul".

Well, that's what happens when you confuse 'feeling' with sloppiness.

Yeah, but it's the same thing I've read Portnoy fans saying with Mangini, Sherinian fans with Rudess, etc... Just accept one is better but you just like the other better, don't go into silly arguments.

This.

[Knguro]

There are no better drummers/musicians, just favorites... except for Lars. 

[Mebert78]

Lars looks like he became an instant MP fanboy at that moment, lol.

[Mebert78]

Here's another one from the same episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kAmCyRIJLI

[Zook]

yes but lars is legend and portnoy just played for band called dream theater..

[Dublagent66]

That's one thing I would never fault MP for is his outstanding abilities as a drummer.  One of the best ever.  Lars on the other hand was just a time keeper for a much more famous and popular band.  I wouldn't call his playing legendary.  MP comes much closer to legendary than Lars.

[rumborak]

This fact might be lost on your guys, but Lars Ulrich is a drummer for a thrash metal band. I'm pretty sure Lars watched this, was impressed by Portnoy's skill, and then went home and didn't spend a further second on it. Because he plays different music.

[MarkFitDT]

This fact might be lost on your guys, but Lars Ulrich is a drummer for a thrash metal band. I'm pretty sure Lars watched this, was impressed by Portnoy's skill, and then went home and didn't spend a further second on it. Because he wouldnt be able to play it.

fixed 

[Knguro]

This fact might be lost on your guys, but Lars Ulrich is a drummer for a thrash metal band. I'm pretty sure Lars watched this, was impressed by Portnoy's skill, and then went home and didn't spend a further second on it. Because he plays different music.

Totally agree with this. There is no harm on feeling respect for someone that is not even close on your "legend status" but highly above your skills.

[kirksnosehair]

This fact might be lost on your guys, but Lars Ulrich is a drummer for a thrash metal band. I'm pretty sure Lars watched this, was impressed by Portnoy's skill, and then went home and didn't spend a further second on it. Because he plays different music.

Totally agree with this. There is no harm on feeling respect for someone that is not even close on your "legend status" but highly above your skills.

I think too many people equate technical ability to quality.

It's just not always going to work out that way.  Technical ability is great and entertaining to watch/listen to but do you think anyone who never heard "The Dance of Eternity" before would be able to recall a melody from it a couple of hours after hearing it?   Being able to fit 64 notes into a single 4/4 bar of music @ 250BPM is impressive, you betcha.  But very few people give a fuck.


On the other hand, if you ever go to a Bon Jovi concert, you can expect to hear 35,000 people singing the chorus of "Living on a Prayer"  A simple rock song with 6 chords in it.


Which is "better" ?



   

[JiM-Xtreme]

MP is one of the grooviest, most "musical" drummers I have ever listened to or had the pleasure to witness live.

[Aythesryche]

This fact might be lost on your guys, but Lars Ulrich is a drummer for a thrash metal band. I'm pretty sure Lars watched this, was impressed by Portnoy's skill, and then went home and didn't spend a further second on it. Because he plays different music.

Totally agree with this. There is no harm on feeling respect for someone that is not even close on your "legend status" but highly above your skills.

I think too many people equate technical ability to quality.

It's just not always going to work out that way.  Technical ability is great and entertaining to watch/listen to but do you think anyone who never heard "The Dance of Eternity" before would be able to recall a melody from it a couple of hours after hearing it?   Being able to fit 64 notes into a single 4/4 bar of music @ 250BPM is impressive, you betcha.  But very few people give a fuck.

On the other hand, if you ever go to a Bon Jovi concert, you can expect to hear 35,000 people singing the chorus of "Living on a Prayer"  A simple rock song with 6 chords in it.

Which is "better" ?

Neither and both. I've noticed most people with the "lack of feeling" argument tend not to consider things from multiple points of potential view. Just because something is procured with or without feeling doesn't mean it will or will not invoke feeling in the observer. The potential is there, regardless. Based on what I know of MP and MM, both are capable of playing technically, and both players play with feeling. Whether you are tuned into that is irrelevant to the facts. Just because you're not tuned into it, doesn't negate the fact that the feeling behind what is played exists from both drummers. There is as much potential feeling in "The Dance of Eternity" as there is in "Living on a Prayer".

So again, neither and both. It's all relative and that's a fact. Just because one song has more or less/no feeling than another for you doesn't make that so for someone else. And ultimately, the music isn't played by robots. I can guarantee you MP, MM, Lars and whoever else you want to throw in the argument has an immeasurable amount of feeling when they played their instruments and music you hear.

Unless these guys were on multitudes of hardcore mood stabilizing drugs, drooling at the mouth while unaware of their surroundings, all the while visualizing nothing but a black hole while they played music, then I think it's pretty safe to say they have "feeling."

[Knguro]

The "feeling vs technicality" topic is a very useless imho, and at the same time pretty simple to explain, there shouldn't be such a thing like "this vs this", because one thing can't exist without the other. Music is an expression and each person has the ability to transmit a feeling through music regardless of the skill/technicality level, which has to be there in order for that feeling been transmitted either you are highly skilled or not, the feeling has to be transmitted with a skill level.

[theseoafs]

On the other hand, if you ever go to a Bon Jovi concert, you can expect to hear 35,000 people singing the chorus of "Living on a Prayer"  A simple rock song with 6 chords in it.

Which is "better" ?

I mean "better" is a pretty meaningless word when it comes to music.  When people say "this song is better than that other song", what they really mean is "I like this song more than that other song".  There's no other really meaningful way to parse that. 

I will say that "prog musicians don't play with feeling/soul/etc." is a pretty tired and silly trope but at the end of the day people like what they like and you can't really fault them for it.  A shitload of people don't care to hear a really good MP solo and there's nothing you can tell them that will convince them that they do want to hear a good MP solo. 

[ThatOneGuy2112]

I recall busting a gut when he said "I QUIT" first time watching that episode

On the topic of technicality vs feel/emotion/soul, well, that argument is completely moot to me. I so often hear people who are so anti-prog claim that prog lacks "feel" and vouches solely for technicality (hence the "prog wankiness" the genre is infamous for now). I can't help but feel that technicality doesn't play into the equation when it comes to "feel". The two aren't mutually exclusive to me. Some might bag on The Dance of Eternity as forsaking melody and feel for technicality, but I'll be the first to say that there are loads of memorable grooves, melodies, and parts of that song, both full of "feel" and emotion as well.

[Kotowboy]

Lars knows he isn't the greatest drummer. He makes no secret of it.

He even had lessons before recording Ride The Lightning.

He works in Metallica.

[rumborak]

That's one thing I would never fault MP for is his outstanding abilities as a drummer.  One of the best ever.  Lars on the other hand was just a time keeper for a much more famous and popular band.  I wouldn't call his playing legendary.  MP comes much closer to legendary than Lars.

You know, I actually can't think of a definition of "legendary" that would include MP. A legend, IMHO, is a person who, after all is said and done, a large number of people will speak of for many years to come.

Even in his heyday, MP was the drummer of an obscure prog metal band. He never got into the top echelon of drummers like Virgil Donati or Neil Peart. And these days he plays small clubs, with little chance of fronting anything big again.
I really like his early drumming (and the 6:00 opening is fucking brilliant), but I think few people will back in 30 years and say "remember Mike Portnoy? Best drummer in my book".

Now, the 7:1 Brazil-Germany game, that will be remembered and spoken of for decades to come. That was legendary.

[hefdaddy42]

Yeah, Keith Moon and John Bonham are legendary.