Favourite DT track that everyone else seems to hate

[black_biff_stadler]

Raw Dog. It's the closest DT has ever come to playing as heavily as I wish they would for just one song. Though they've been more geared toward metal since TOT, except for 8VM, JP usually writes riffs that sound like what would've been ballsy 5 years ago but not quite so much in the present. Raw Dog just has a fun vibe to it and its nice to not have the heaviness compromised by JLB's vocals since he's never been cut out for singing over truly heavy music.

[fibreoptix]

Burning My Soul, Lie, Lifting Shadows and Anna Lee are the most obvious contenders for me. And Build Me Up for that matter.

[FlyingBIZKIT]

Josh, how does it feel to be the one person out of 76 to have voted for Raw Dog?

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

For what it's worth, I actually like Raw Dog as well. I just like Lie more.

[Nearmyth]

People hate Lie and Lifting Shadows? I've almost never seen hate for those, so I'm not gonna count those in the list (otherwise I would pick Lie).

But probably The Best of Times, I love that song

[yeah_93]

People hate Lifting Shadows? That's really strange. If it wasn't for that song I'd vote for Constant Motion or A Rite of Passage, I like them.

[aprilethereal]

Can we have a poll of songs you hate that people seem to generally love?  I am voting for The Glass Prison. 

I'd love that poll
Another Day, Take The Time, Voices, Blind Faith, Misunderstood

[Rodni Demental]

Lie, Lifting Shadows and New Millennium are hated? Why?

I can assure you that Lie can be hated, and you can tell your stepfather I said so. 

[CharlesPL]

Lie.

[Nefarius]

I actually like Lifting Shadows Off A Dream, You Not Me, Through Her Eyes, The Answer Lies Within, Prophets Of War, Build Me Up Break Me Down and You Not Me, Through Her Eyes, Prophets Of War quite a lot. No idea what's to hate.

Greetings...
Nef

[hefdaddy42]

If we did a poll asking "Do you like TDEN?: Yes/No" no doubt there'd be more voting no than yes.

I think that you are very, very wrong.  Not sure where this concept comes from, because from what I've seen it gets mostly love.

[fadetoblackdude7]

Why people hate Lifting Shadows, I will never understand. One of the most beautiful DT songs ever written.

[TAC]

Raw Dog. It's the closest DT has ever come to playing as heavily as I wish they would for just one song. Though they've been more geared toward metal since TOT, except for 8VM, JP usually writes riffs that sound like what would've been ballsy 5 years ago but not quite so much in the present. Raw Dog just has a fun vibe to it and its nice to not have the heaviness compromised by JLB's vocals since he's never been cut out for singing over truly heavy music.

I really like raw Dog. It's easily as good as, if not better than, Enigma Machine.


I voted The Best Of Times. I love that song. In my DT Top 20 easily. I have no idea why the lyrics catch so much flak. They're so direct, if simplistic. Absolutely conveys the message.

[erwinrafael]

Lie, Lifting Shadows and New Millennium are hated? Why?

I can assure you that Lie can be hated, and you can tell your stepfather I said so. 

LOL

Mother mary quite contrary
Kiss the boys and make them wary
Things are getting just a little bit scary
It's a wonder I can still breathe

[Cable]

New Millennium. Top 5 DT, and basically is the song that got me into them.

[Lucidity]

I'm going with New Millennium. Never seen any hate for Lie though.

[BlobVanDam]

Why people hate Lifting Shadows, I will never understand. One of the most beautiful DT songs ever written.

I don't hate the song, but I will chime in and say I just don't like the vibe of the song at all (kinda U2-ish). Objectively I don't think there's a problem with that song at all, it's just personal preference.
I can't say I ever hear any hate for the song anyway.

[Rattlehead]

Hard choice for me here but I had to go with A Rite of Passage. I know everyone here seems to hate the song, but I've always enjoyed it and I love the chorus. I do agree with one of the main criticisms I've seen here that the bebot solo drags the song down though. Overall the song would probably land somewhere in my top 30-50 DT songs.

[Cable]

Hard choice for me here but I had to go with A Rite of Passage. I know everyone here seems to hate the song, but I've always enjoyed it and I love the chorus. I do agree with one of the main criticisms I've seen here that the bebot solo drags the song down though. Overall the song would probably land somewhere in my top 30-50 DT songs.

The chorus is amazing, and I love JP's lead-esque lines during it.

[Nekov]

I'm going with through her eyes. I didn't vote for LSOAD because I don't think people hate that song so it doesn't really qualify

[kirksnosehair]

Enigma Machine

[RaiseTheKnife]

Raw Dog.  Its truly underrated and treated like a step child.  Almost every interview last year mentioned Enigma Machine as the first (album) instrumental in ten years, and I just felt sorry that Raw Dog was put out on the stoop so soon.

[mikeyd23]

From that list, I'd say New Millennium.  I have always really dug that song. Its groovy and actually is probably one of my favorite MP and JMX songs.  I think it really shows them working together as the rhythm section.

[TAC]

Raw Dog.  Its truly underrated and treated like a step child.  Almost every interview last year mentioned Enigma Machine as the first (album) instrumental in ten years, and I just felt sorry that Raw Dog was put out on the stoop so soon.

Exactly.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

I don't think even DT really like Raw Dog. They've never played it live, have they?

[BlobVanDam]

I don't think even DT really like Raw Dog. They've never played it live, have they?

They also never played SDV until this tour. I wouldn't take it as an indication either way. It's a quick instrumental they put together for a video game "soundtrack", so it's not exactly high priority.
I doubt they love it, but I don't see that they'd dislike it either.

[theseoafs]

I always find it funny when DT fans dislike certain songs so much that they try to convince themselves that DT themselves don't even like the song either.  They wrote the song, why on earth would DT hate Raw Dog all of a sudden?

[Bolsters]

Maybe they think that most of the people at their shows wouldn't even know the song (Raw Dog). It hasn't appeared on any actual Dream Theater releases, after all, and if I recall that God of War disc wasn't very popular. Better for them to fill the setlist with songs that people know and that they think people want to hear.

[Sycsa]

They wrote the song, why on earth would DT hate Raw Dog all of a sudden?

Hate is a strong word, but similarly, you can't assume that they like all their songs just because they wrote it. JP was pretty critical regarding WDADU in a recent interview for example but they still feature the album live quite often.

[RaiseTheKnife]

I suspect most of its audience follows the band with a hardcore enthusiasm.  It just DT's fan base, so I think a majority of concertgoers would be at least familiar with Raw Dog.  In the end, its a good song that could stomp some ass live, so I think people would respond favorably for that reason alone.  DT has historically sprinkled rare gems into its set (Raise The Knife) regardless of album exposure and I hope this continues.

[robwebster]

I suspect most of its audience follows the band with a hardcore enthusiasm.  It just DT's fan base, so I think a majority of concertgoers would be at least familiar with Raw Dog. 

Watch Score again - half the crowd don't even know where Raise the Knife ends! I know DT are a cult band, but it's still a mistake to define its fanbase by its geekiest fringes. (That's us!) Scarred was dropped from the Chaos in Motion tour because it wasn't going down too well - Constant Motion persisted right through to the end of the BCSL tour.

Some of that's the format - I think Scarred's more Evening With friendly - but I don't think there's any day of the week you could run a "What do you want to see live - Constant Motion or Scarred" poll on this board and not expect Scarred to win by a landslide. We're a very warped portrait of the greater ticket-buying fanbase. I'm sure there'd be a lot of people in that room who'd recognise Raw Dog, but I also think there'd be a lot more who wouldn't. DT is just one band among many, and it won't necessarily be everyone's favourite band - just a band they like.

Equally, though, I'd argue that's not a reason to shy away from playing it! They played Another Won every night on the 20th Anniversary tour. Most everyone in the crowd was probably hearing that for the first time, but I think it was absolutely worth dusting off. Don't Look Past Me's the song I'd like to see. They never played it, as all the backing vocals would make it nigh-on impossible to perform with just the one strong lead singer, but they're playing to a click track now, they can pump some of that stuff in.

[BlobVanDam]

What rob said.

[Eldomm]

very tough choice between Lie and Lifting Shadows, I love them both...

[wolfking]

I voted AROP, I always thought that was a great song.  IWBY would be next, then Lie.  Didn't know people really hated Lie though, or Lifting Shadows.

[RaiseTheKnife]

yeah, good points Rob.  +1 for Don't Look Past Me.  It would be great to bring out a singer from a supporting act to sing the backup vocals on that one, which would not be the first time DT has done that -- Galactic Cowboys/Take the Time; Doug Pinnick/Lines in the Sand.