The Enemy Inside Discussion Thread

[TheOutlawXanadu]

I still think it's a really good song. I think it will be similar to a "Strange Deja Vu" or "As I Am" or "On the Backs of Angels" in that I probably won't listen to it much on the fly, but every time I put the album in, I'll love it.

[Rattlehead]

This song seems so much more inspired and invigorating than most of ADToE in my opinion... I'm hoping the rest of the album will be like this song in that sense.

[Bertielee]

looks like Thiago & friends beat DT at playing this song live first

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSJ5WQ3-VcQ

Do you think it's really live? I mean, it seems recorded and played on top as if live (see the singer). But I may be wrong...

B.Lee

Anyways, very good job from Thiago and friends.

did you even watch it. it's not their usual splitscreen youtube cover. its a cell phone vid from a club

Yes, I DID watch it (thank you for the piece of advice, I wouldn't know what to do but for your help). No need for your condescending comment. Did you even read my post? I said I may be wrong...

B.Lee

[Dellers]

This song seems so much more inspired and invigorating than most of ADToE in my opinion... I'm hoping the rest of the album will be like this song in that sense.

I'm thinking the complete opposite. While it's a decent track, I feel that it sounds like the least inspired DT song since Systematic Chaos. It doesn't quite catch my interest, which is pretty rare. I'm sure the rest of the album will be a lot better.

[BlackInk]

This song seems so much more inspired and invigorating than most of ADToE in my opinion... I'm hoping the rest of the album will be like this song in that sense.

I'm thinking the complete opposite. While it's a decent track, I  feel that it sounds like the least inspired DT song since Systematic Chaos. It doesn't quite catch my interest, which is pretty rare. I'm sure the rest of the album will be a lot better.

I agree with that ^

[Kotowboy]

My iTunes says i've listened to the song 8 times now.

And I bought it on release day. So it's still fairly fresh for me.

[Dream Team]

Well, I caved and got it off iTunes. Good metal track, only thing that really stands out is MM but there's some nice riffs there. But (and I knew this was gonna happen) now I want to watch MM drumming THIS tune and we still don't have the DVD of him playing the songs from the LAST album  .

[Aquila Chrysaetos]

I'm in the "not want it to be overplayed" camp on this one.
Happened to me with OTBOA, I heard it so often that it took a long time for me before I stopped skipping it when I put in ADTOE.

[aprilethereal]

This song seems so much more inspired and invigorating than most of ADToE in my opinion... I'm hoping the rest of the album will be like this song in that sense.

I'm thinking the complete opposite. While it's a decent track, I feel that it sounds like the least inspired DT song since Systematic Chaos.

TEI is nowhere near as uninspired as AROP

[Rattlehead]

This song seems so much more inspired and invigorating than most of ADToE in my opinion... I'm hoping the rest of the album will be like this song in that sense.

I'm thinking the complete opposite. While it's a decent track, I feel that it sounds like the least inspired DT song since Systematic Chaos. It doesn't quite catch my interest, which is pretty rare. I'm sure the rest of the album will be a lot better.

Could you elaborate on why it seems so uninspired to you? It feels a lot more energetic to me than the majority of ADToE... and not just because it's heavy either. That's just like my opinion though, man 

[Kotowboy]

I do think that A Dramatic Turn Of Events was them playing it pretty safe.

[mikeyd23]

TEI is nowhere near as uninspired as AROP

Yeah I tend to agree with this point of view.  Everyone is going to have different personal preferences, but to my ears, TEI sounds much more inspired, energetic and interesting than AROP did when I first listened to it. 

[The Stray Seed]

This song seems so much more inspired and invigorating than most of ADToE in my opinion... I'm hoping the rest of the album will be like this song in that sense.

I'm thinking the complete opposite. While it's a decent track, I feel that it sounds like the least inspired DT song since Systematic Chaos. It doesn't quite catch my interest, which is pretty rare. I'm sure the rest of the album will be a lot better.

Could you elaborate on why it seems so uninspired to you? It feels a lot more energetic to me than the majority of ADToE... and not just because it's heavy either. That's just like my opinion though, man 

I agree with you, Rattlehead. To me TEI is brilliant.

[hefdaddy42]

I haven't been intentionally avoiding it or anything.  I just haven't listened to it in the last week or so.

[?]

This song seems so much more inspired and invigorating than most of ADToE in my opinion... I'm hoping the rest of the album will be like this song in that sense.

I'm thinking the complete opposite. While it's a decent track, I feel that it sounds like the least inspired DT song since Systematic Chaos. It doesn't quite catch my interest, which is pretty rare. I'm sure the rest of the album will be a lot better.

Although I think TEI is much better than CM and AROP, I agree that it sounds a bit average and unexciting, and every song on ADTOE is better IMO.

[BlobVanDam]

I much prefer both TEI and AROP to OTBOA. TEI and AROP are both good, energetic songs (TEI being a much tighter arrangement). but OTBOA feels very mechanical and lifeless to me. I much prefer the heavier tracks of ADTOE, like BITS/LNF.

[Rattlehead]

I much prefer both TEI and AROP to OTBOA. TEI and AROP are both good, energetic songs (TEI being a much tighter arrangement). but OTBOA feels very mechanical and lifeless to me. I much prefer the heavier tracks of ADTOE, like BITS/LNF.

I completely agree with this! Even the bit on ARoP... and I thought I was the only one here that actually enjoyed the song 

[BlobVanDam]

I much prefer both TEI and AROP to OTBOA. TEI and AROP are both good, energetic songs (TEI being a much tighter arrangement). but OTBOA feels very mechanical and lifeless to me. I much prefer the heavier tracks of ADTOE, like BITS/LNF.

I completely agree with this! Even the bit on ARoP... and I thought I was the only one here that actually enjoyed the song 

Just the two of us......

I do agree with the criticisms of the transitions to/from the instrumental section, and the main Bebot solo being out of place, but they don't affect my enjoyment of the song as they do for most (along with whatever other problems they have with the song of course).

[Perpetual Change]

Well unfortunately despite good impressions initially I really don't love this song. It isn't bad, but it isn't good either. The reason is, it just is not very memorable. After listening to it 8 or 9 times since release I still can not recall a single melody from the song.

[aprilethereal]

I much prefer both TEI and AROP to OTBOA. TEI and AROP are both good, energetic songs (TEI being a much tighter arrangement). but OTBOA feels very mechanical and lifeless to me. I much prefer the heavier tracks of ADTOE, like BITS/LNF.

I completely agree with this! Even the bit on ARoP... and I thought I was the only one here that actually enjoyed the song 

Just the two of us......

I do agree with the criticisms of the transitions to/from the instrumental section, and the main Bebot solo being out of place, but they don't affect my enjoyment of the song as they do for most (along with whatever other problems they have with the song of course).

Apart from the chorus I think the vocal melodies are pretty lame and the first verse with the weird chants in the background is absolutely cringeworthy.

[Zook]

I just listened to the solo section from AROP... The transition back to the chorus was just awful. In fact, the whole thing was completely out of place.

[BlobVanDam]

Apart from the chorus I think the vocal melodies are pretty lame and the first verse with the weird chants in the background is absolutely cringeworthy.

I disagree. I quite like that. It's something different, and I think it works really well. And I love the chorus melodies, with the harmonies, and the guitar harmonies underneath it. I think it's one of their best recent choruses.

[aprilethereal]

The chorus and its guitar melodies is amongst my favourite ones from DT, but the rest of the song ruins it for me unfortunately

[Perpetual Change]

I think Systematic Chaos and Black Clouds have some of the worst instrumental transitions in the DT catalog.

ADTOE has some of the best. They're all so fluid. When I listen to the album, I can really tell they spent extra time polishing the compositions.

Not sure how this album will be. I don't think TEI is that bad transition-wise, but then again I barely remember a thing about it.

[Dellers]

Could you elaborate on why it seems so uninspired to you? It feels a lot more energetic to me than the majority of ADToE... and not just because it's heavy either. That's just like my opinion though, man 

I'm not sure, it's just not one of the more exciting DT tracks to me. I had to listen to it a number of times to even remember some guitar parts, and I still don't remember the chorus at all. The song just doesn't seem to have any memorable parts compared to the average DT song. The bass is just there, pretty much the same with the keys (except for the funny part). The guitars are simply not able to drive the song alone IMO, even though they are extremely loud and sound like they may be quad tracked. All in all there's just nothing in the song that sounds particularly exciting to me.
I haven't really liked any of the singles since I became a fan though, so this isn't anything new. DT's singles usually sound uninspired and boring to me, while the albums are very good. At least 3 of the singles from the last 4 albums are in my bottom 10 list, while a few album tracks also made the top 10.

[Onno]

I much prefer both TEI and AROP to OTBOA. TEI and AROP are both good, energetic songs (TEI being a much tighter arrangement). but OTBOA feels very mechanical and lifeless to me. I much prefer the heavier tracks of ADTOE, like BITS/LNF.

I completely agree with this! Even the bit on ARoP... and I thought I was the only one here that actually enjoyed the song 

Just the two of us......

Make that three.

Though I must say, I think I like OTBOA better than both TEI and AROP.

[7StringedBeast]

Listening to the song again and that instrumental section before the big JP solo reminds me so much of SFAM.  Great instrumental section.

[Rattlehead]

Could you elaborate on why it seems so uninspired to you? It feels a lot more energetic to me than the majority of ADToE... and not just because it's heavy either. That's just like my opinion though, man 

I'm not sure, it's just not one of the more exciting DT tracks to me. I had to listen to it a number of times to even remember some guitar parts, and I still don't remember the chorus at all. The song just doesn't seem to have any memorable parts compared to the average DT song. The bass is just there, pretty much the same with the keys (except for the funny part). The guitars are simply not able to drive the song alone IMO, even though they are extremely loud and sound like they may be quad tracked. All in all there's just nothing in the song that sounds particularly exciting to me.
I haven't really liked any of the singles since I became a fan though, so this isn't anything new. DT's singles usually sound uninspired and boring to me, while the albums are very good. At least 3 of the singles from the last 4 albums are in my bottom 10 list, while a few album tracks also made the top 10.

Fair enough, and just to be clear, I wasn't trying to imply that you were wrong or anything  I was just interested in your opinion on this. I do agree on the bit that DT's singles lately have been pretty boring for the most part, but I do really enjoy TEI. To each his own though, my friend 

[Theme Dreater]

The more I listen to this song, the better it gets. Did anyone else feel like at about 1:53-1:55ish you can hear the gasp from like the very end of SFAM? I might be crazy but I keep thinking that that's what I hear. It would be funny if DT threw that in just as a little nod to their past.

[Outcrier]

Could you elaborate on why it seems so uninspired to you? It feels a lot more energetic to me than the majority of ADToE... and not just because it's heavy either. That's just like my opinion though, man 

I'm not sure, it's just not one of the more exciting DT tracks to me. I had to listen to it a number of times to even remember some guitar parts, and I still don't remember the chorus at all. The song just doesn't seem to have any memorable parts compared to the average DT song. The bass is just there, pretty much the same with the keys (except for the funny part). The guitars are simply not able to drive the song alone IMO, even though they are extremely loud and sound like they may be quad tracked. All in all there's just nothing in the song that sounds particularly exciting to me.
I haven't really liked any of the singles since I became a fan though, so this isn't anything new. DT's singles usually sound uninspired and boring to me, while the albums are very good. At least 3 of the singles from the last 4 albums are in my bottom 10 list, while a few album tracks also made the top 10.

Agreed, didn't liked the vocal melodies on this one

[cyberdrummer]

I've listened to this a few more times this week, and it's getting better every time.

[Flacracker]

I really like the verses on this song. Some people here have stated that they don't like them. Something about the way the guitar track and the vocals work together I like. James doesn't knock it out of the park like on "Take the Time" with tons of high notes... Man, I love Take the Time so much. I just looked it up on youtube to listen to it real quick and some guy said he didn't like the part from 1:08 - 1:35. What the hell is up with that? But anyway. Just, Labrie's style and they way he sings many of the last words in a line I really love.

[Podaar]

It came up on shuffle today, right after A Rite of Passage, while I was driving around in my truck. I hadn't heard it in over a week and I was surprised at several things. First, I had to turn it up to hear it properly compared with ARoP. I don't know if that's a valid comparison between mastering or if it's just a side effect of the iTunes version compared with ripping direct from a CD. Second, I couldn't help but smile at the drumming. It really kicks my ass. Third, the chorus jumps to my lips unbidden and I'm helpless not to sing along. Finally, I'm still blown away by the JR moments in this song.

Still digging it but I will say that it has helped tremendously that I don't seek out listening to it like I did with On The Backs Of Angels.

[Nearmyth]

Well unfortunately despite good impressions initially I really don't love this song. It isn't bad, but it isn't good either. The reason is, it just is not very memorable. After listening to it 8 or 9 times since release I still can not recall a single melody from the song.

No way! The chorus and instrumental section got stuck in my head for hours on end  I've only listened to the track 4 or 5 times too.

[XB0BX]

I agree with some of you, how can you like TEI more than OTBOA? After about a dozen listens, I still can't remember a single melody of TEI. I have every aspect of OTBOA memorized, meanwhile.