Tough competition on Sep. 24

[dvargas]

Forgive me if this has been posted anywhere else.  I don't feel like searching w iphone.

DT12 faces some tough competition for the 9/24 week on the billboard charts. 

As far as I know these are some of the new albums coming that Tuesday.

Elton John (first in several years)
Sting (also first in several years)
Cher (ditto -- and can't believe she's still around)
Kings of Leon
Gov't Mule

Also preceded by Jack Johnson the week of the 17th - which will likely not drop too much in its second week. 

There's a few others coming out that may also stay high in the charts for a few weeks. 

I know that the number has very little value. And that we dont care really.  But they do get excited when they reach those heights (ie BCSL).


Hopefully DT will squeeze into the top 5. 

What say you DTF?

[Zook]

Don't forget the surprising new details surrounding Michael Jackson's death that spike up his record sales.

[dvargas]

Ha! Forgot about that scenario....

[Unlegit]

Never heard of Gov't Mule, and after looking them up, don't really consider them a "threat", but I guess the others could pose a challenge in terms of placement.

[Tom Bombadil]

There's only one band I'll be listening to sept. 24th...

[Flacracker]

I think for ADTOE there was a Carrie Underwood album or something out on the same day. I want to see them hit No. 1 for a change. But I guess that really doesn't matter seeing as plenty of very popular artists don't chart No. 1. Physical sales just don't matter as much anymore.

[wolven74]

This is related to DT how, other than it coming out the same day? Shouldn't this be in the General Music thread?

[dvargas]

Should I edit the opening statement to:

"Predict DT12 billboard chart position"

Pretty much same thing---- but now it does sound more DT related , doesnt it?

Same thing

[SuperTaco]

New Korn album on September 24th as well. First album with their original lead guitarist in 10 years.

[rumborak]

The fact that this thread is about the fricking day the DT album gets released makes it implicitly a DT-related thread.

I think realistically, it would have to be an uncharacteristically weak week in the Billboard Charts for DT to reach #1.

[Dark Castle]

Chvrches debut comes out on the 24th. Maybe after 10 spins of that will Dream Theater be played 

[hefdaddy42]

Never heard of Gov't Mule, and after looking them up, don't really consider them a "threat", but I guess the others could pose a challenge in terms of placement.

Hell no, Gov't Mule is a fantastic band, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if they place higher than DT on the charts.

[dvargas]

Never heard of Gov't Mule, and after looking them up, don't really consider them a "threat", but I guess the others could pose a challenge in terms of placement.

Hell no, Gov't Mule is a fantastic band, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if they place higher than DT on the charts.

Without deviating too much.... Agree, it's a phenomenal band. Warren Haynes is a great musician.  But I just checked their albums charting history and DT kills them easily.  They usually chart in te 30s-40s. 

[hefdaddy42]

We'll see.

We'll also see how long they stay on the charts, as opposed to DT shooting their fanboys wad on week one and then disappearing.

[King Postwhore]

Who cares.  It's not about where they place it's how much they sell.  And in all honesty.  If you like the other bands buy all the albums.  I never limited myself to buying one album if other bands I liked released an album on the same day.

[LBC.]

September 24 only means DREAM THEATER  to me.

[Mosh]

To be honest, I don't really care who else is releasing music that day (unless it's another band I like). I figured this sort of thing wasn't really that important to DT fans, obviously they'll do pretty good in the charts because they have a large dedicated fanbase who are going to actually buy the album.

[BlobVanDam]

Who cares.  It's not about where they place it's how much they sell.  And in all honesty.  If you like the other bands buy all the albums.  I never limited myself to buying one album if other bands I liked released an album on the same day.

That's true, but we also like to see DT do as well on the billboard charts while sticking to their guns and releasing the music they want. It's just a nice bonus to see DT get a little bit of more public exposure. Just like the Grammy nomination. Nobody here really cared about the Grammys, it's just nice to see DT get wider recognition.

[LBC.]

I don`t care about the Grammy at all.

[dvargas]

That's true, but we also like to see DT do as well on the billboard charts while sticking to their guns and releasing the music they want. It's just a nice bonus to see DT get a little bit of more public exposure. Just like the Grammy nomination. Nobody here really cared about the Grammys, it's just nice to see DT get wider recognition.

Exactly this. 

I don't care about the grammy's either.  But they were thrilled!

I bet anybody would be thrilled if it was their band up there in the spotlight. 

[wolfking]

Didn't know Sting was putting something new out, that would be interesting to hear.

Anyway, this is probably something DT aren't concerned about, but it would be nice for this to be their highest selling/placing album or whatever. 

I'm gonna pick up the new Korn though.

[Mosh]

The new Korn sounds interesting. I like all of their singles but the albums tend to bore me. I'm also in the minority that thought the dubstep thing was awesome. I'll probably give it a shot.

Elton John will probably be decent too.

[?]

Who cares.  It's not about where they place it's how much they sell.  And in all honesty.  If you like the other bands buy all the albums.  I never limited myself to buying one album if other bands I liked released an album on the same day.

That's true, but we also like to see DT do as well on the billboard charts while sticking to their guns and releasing the music they want. It's just a nice bonus to see DT get a little bit of more public exposure. Just like the Grammy nomination. Nobody here really cared about the Grammys, it's just nice to see DT get wider recognition.

Agreed. Chart positions mean little to me, but it would be cool to see DT do really well in the US, because they deserve it. At least it isn't impossible that they may be #1 in Finland again...

[wolven74]

Ok, so I can understand the reason this thread is here instead of in another part of the forum. Honestly I don't think they have much in the way of competition, at least for my dollar they don't. I do have a huge respect for Elton John and Sting, but come on. They're not even looking at the same market. True, for the grammy it's gonna be a long hall for DT to beat either of these, but I don't think they're that concerned about it. I know I'm not. I imagine they're not putting music out "for the masses" so to speak. They put music out that moves them, that they feel good about. Where it charts is in all probability a surprise to them. The grammy may have had a part to play in RR re-signing them, but I think the fan base is strong enough to keep them there, as far as the label is concerned.

Damn that was rambling...

[Sketchy]

September 24 only means DREAM THEATER  to me.

Hells yes, bro.

But yeah, in the US and Britain, if it's got "prog" floating anywhere near the description, it's not going to get very high, no matter what band (although DT have been doing well in recent years, as has SW). Nordic Countries however, I like their charts on DT release week a lot more.

[Moor]

That's true, but we also like to see DT do as well on the billboard charts while sticking to their guns and releasing the music they want. It's just a nice bonus to see DT get a little bit of more public exposure. Just like the Grammy nomination. Nobody here really cared about the Grammys, it's just nice to see DT get wider recognition.

Exactly this. 

I don't care about the grammy's either.  But they were thrilled!

I bet anybody would be thrilled if it was their band up there in the spotlight. 

You think I give a damn about a Grammy
Half of you critics can't even stomach me, let alone stand me
"But Slim, what if you win, wouldn't it be weird"
Why? So you guys could just lie to get me here
So you can sit me here next to Britney Spears
S***, Christina Aguilera better switch me chairs
So I can sit next to Carson Daly and Fred Durst
And hear 'em argue over who she gave head to first

Eminem 

[Kotowboy]

Elton & Sting are old news whilst DT are still sort of climbing.

[wolfking]

Elton & Sting are old news whilst DT are still sort of climbing.

Apologies but, this comment doesn't make much sense to me.  You do know how popular both Sting and Elton John are worldwide?

[Perpetual Change]

Elton & Sting are old news whilst DT are still sort of climbing.

Eh, more like platued.

[emtee]

Don't be surprised if both Elton and Sting outsell DT by a factor of 10+

It is tough competition for sure but DT fans are always there on release day and I would expect sales #'s to be about where they have
been for the last couple albums. A big move either up or down would surprise me.

[a51502112]

There's only one band I'll be listening to sept. 24th...

Yup! Cher. 

[wolfking]

I would expect sales #'s to be about where they have
been for the last couple albums. A big move either up or down would surprise me.

This.

[Chino]

I would expect sales #'s to be about where they have
been for the last couple albums. A big move either up or down would surprise me.

This.

I'm thinking units sold will be about the same... but I am willing to bet we see more illegal downloads than the last few releases.

[bosk1]

Anyway, this is probably something DT aren't concerned about, but it would be nice for this to be their highest selling/placing album or whatever.

In the grand scheme of things, I think you are probably correct.  However, from a marketing perspective, there may be some concern on the part of the band, management, and/or the label.  At the end of the day, you are right that it is more about the numbers than the chart position.  But in terms of the long-term marketing of the DT "brand," high chart positions are nice little soundbytes.  And because of that, even though it isn't really a "competition," bands and labels sometimes do move a release date to increase the likelihood of a higher chart position.  Not saying it will happen here.  But I could understand perfectly if a decision was made to move the DT release date.  Elton, Sting, and Cher are guaranteed higher chart positions by a VERY large margin.  But their albums will also likely continue to outsell DT even after the first week.  But when you get into the smaller bands that sell similar numbers, then it's all about timing.  If DT could gain 2 or 3 spots on the chart with the same sales numbers by bumping the release date by a couple of weeks, they might very well do it.

[dvargas]

Anyway, this is probably something DT aren't concerned about, but it would be nice for this to be their highest selling/placing album or whatever.

In the grand scheme of things, I think you are probably correct.  However, from a marketing perspective, there may be some concern on the part of the band, management, and/or the label.  At the end of the day, you are right that it is more about the numbers than the chart position.  But in terms of the long-term marketing of the DT "brand," high chart positions are nice little soundbytes.  And because of that, even though it isn't really a "competition," bands and labels sometimes do move a release date to increase the likelihood of a higher chart position.  Not saying it will happen here.  But I could understand perfectly if a decision was made to move the DT release date.  Elton, Sting, and Cher are guaranteed higher chart positions by a VERY large margin.  But their albums will also likely continue to outsell DT even after the first week.  But when you get into the smaller bands that sell similar numbers, then it's all about timing.  If DT could gain 2 or 3 spots on the chart with the same sales numbers by bumping the release date by a couple of weeks, they might very well do it.

Agree w bosk