Dream Theater self titled album discussion - [SPOILER FREE DISCUSSION ONLY]

[cyberdrummer]

Haha, I think the argument can be made for 8V. But let's not go into that again

[BlobVanDam]

Haha, I think the argument can be made for 8V. But let's not go into that again

Instead of arguing it, I'll just agree to disagree and add this-
If you consider Octavarium a concept album, then I don't think it's anywhere near as far fetched that the new album would meet the same criteria. But I don't see it being a concept album in the same sense as SFAM.

[cyberdrummer]

I also think that's more likely. Finally we reach agreement!


Though I'd prefer a full-on concept like SFAM.

[BlobVanDam]

Hooray! Now back to our regular scheduled programming of debating whether the album will be 70 minutes in length, or only 69:45 in length.

[Jaq]

Oh god, first the prog vs progressive argument, now the concept album argument-I'll see this part of the forums when a single arrives. 

[cyberdrummer]

But will there be a single? /anotherrecycleddebate

Back on topic, I can't be the only one hoping to hear more classic synthesizer sounds from JR on this album?

[nestcmartin]

As far as I know, promo copies will be around in mid-august, so I think we can expect a single in the first days of the next month, just in time for the pre-orders.

Also, seems like Tio Emilio keeps talking about the album:

No, there's no big changes at all.

It reminds me, like ADTOE, to the old Dream Theater from Scenes form A Memory and previous albums. It has more accessible choruses, and more "songs", but there is some mad things too. Even the instrumental is a "song"...

[BlobVanDam]

Insightful stuff. Now I'm a believer!

[wasteland]

Ugh... I'm disappointed. I wasn't expecting the instrumental to be a song at all 

[Elite]

Ugh... I'm disappointed. I wasn't expecting the instrumental to be a song at all 

[Kotowboy]

So, it reminds him not only of A Dramatic Turn of Events - but crucially, every preceding Dream Theater album as well


Well i think that's all we need to know.

[devieira73]

The spanish review talks about a "eletronic drum sound" on DT12... maybe it sounds like the drums sound on James Labrie's EoP (same engineer and mixer, remember?). It sounds a bit triggered there, but I think it's cool and miles better than the one o ADToE. And less keyboard solos doesn't mean less keyboard on the cd... Awake has few keyboard solos and I think the keys arrangements are also very cool.

[King Postwhore]

Insightful stuff. Now I'm a believer!

But an instrumental "IS" a song!!

[nestcmartin]

You guys 

I'll try to explain the meaning he's intending with "song". Put it this way: it would be more like Ytse Jam, but not like TDOE, for example. That meaning it'd have something similar to a classic song structure.

And for the rest of the tracklist, I suppose he's referring to the same thing: classic structure, short and concise songs. Nothing new, really, but that's it.

I don't know how to explain it better, sorry 

[?]

Yeah, I got what he was trying to say and the description sounds promising, because I don't want another TDOE

[atmyne]

wait... have we established the credibility of this guy or are we just taking his word for it because we're so desperate for DT news? 

[Lucien]

wait... have we established the credibility of this guy or are we just taking his word for it because we're so desperate for DT news? 

I still don't really believe him that much, but yeah, we're all really pent up for news.


And am I the only one here who likes TDOE?

[BlobVanDam]

wait... have we established the credibility of this guy or are we just taking his word for it because we're so desperate for DT news? 

I still don't really believe him that much, but yeah, we're all really pent up for news.


And am I the only one here who likes TDOE?

Nope, I like it too. When I listen to SFAM, I listen to all of it, I don't skip TDOE or anything else. No need to.

[aprilethereal]

the description sounds promising

yep

[iamtheeviltwin]

wait... have we established the credibility of this guy or are we just taking his word for it because we're so desperate for DT news? 

I still don't really believe him that much, but yeah, we're all really pent up for news.


And am I the only one here who likes TDOE?

TDOE was in the top 5 of my rankings thread - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35446.0 

Still my favorite instrumental track the band has done.

[aprilethereal]

Nothing beats Overture 1928

[?]

Nothing beats Eve

FTFM

[Elite]

We're doing this then? Ok.

Nothing beats Hell's Kitchen

FTFM

[Lucien]

We're doing this then? Ok.

Nothing beats Hell's Kitchen

FTFM

However...

Nothing beats Octavarium

FTFM

[atmyne]

We're doing this then? Ok.

Nothing beats Hell's Kitchen

FTFM

holy shit I was literally going to post the exact same thing 
hells kitchen doesn't get enough love imo. 

Also i'm not taking that guys incredibly uninformative synopsis seriously at all unless someone can demonstrate why I should believe him lol.

[Elite]

Nothing beats Octavarium

FTFM

But... we were doing instrumentals.

[theseoafs]

Ugh... I'm disappointed. I wasn't expecting the instrumental to be a song at all 

Well, for what it's worth, a "song" technically requires lyrics.  We on DTF (and I think the rock community in general) misuses that word.

[Joshin U]

Nothing beats Octavarium

FTFM

But... we were doing instrumentals.

Octavarium can be whatever the hell it wants to be 

On a side note, I think I get what Jose Cuervo up there said in his review, and I could stand the instrumental having a "song"-like structure.  SOC kinda has that structure, and that's my favorite instrumental. We shall see. Oh yes, we shall see.

[aprilethereal]

We're doing this then? Ok.

Nothing beats Hell's Kitchen

FTFM

However...

Nothing beats Octavarium

FTFM

[matte.braso]

is it possible to have a link of the spanish forum? just to satisfy my curiosity...

[bosk1]

Hey, guys.  Don't log off.  Cool stuff is coming in about 15 minutes.

[The Stray Seed]

What???

[bosk1]

What???

I said:

Hey, guys.  Don't log off.  Cool stuff is coming in about 15 minutes.

[BlobVanDam]

Single? Or is that too cool?

[bosk1]

Well, I could answer that.  But since I still have 12 minutes to go, I'd have to kill myself.